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1:09Speaker 2Welcome back to the pep time of the week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Across the way, my buddy, my pal, my business partner, friend,
1:30Speaker 2She is all over the darn internet right now. So if you're in the world of peptides or hormone replacement
1:40Speaker 4Doctor. K, how are you? Great, and I'm so happy to be here with you guys. Well, not here, but virtually.
1:50Speaker 2Me too, me too. I've been seeing your stuff everywhere and I just, I love education that you're dropping out there. It's been so
2:00Speaker 2Let's find some. Where are they at? I love that you are, are, it's just so refreshing to see some of the stuff that you're putting out there. And that's obviously why you're growing probably really quickly. Thank you. Where
2:32Speaker 3Credential yourself I for don't really care about, don't care about credentialing, but yeah. And I
2:54Speaker 2Okay, cool. Out of those 3, what would you say you would lean towards if you had to choose 1? What would be your favorite?
3:03Speaker 4Because it's very complicated and I like complicated stuff. I like to figure stuff out.
3:13Speaker 2In regards to that, let's touch on that for a little bit. So in regards to that, what are you seeing? What are some of the reasons why people's hormones are so out of whack these days? I mean, you're talking young 20 year olds are
3:26Speaker 2even like low on testosterone and things like that. Do you have an idea of what you think is some of the issues with people
3:40Speaker 4lots of people are unfortunate. What I see in my practice of a 30 year old man with testosterone of 2 50, most likely I see him carrying
3:56Speaker 2When I started doing the fitness channel, for me, I started to have a lot of men pull their
4:07Speaker 2so it seemed smart to do that, which was, and then as the channel grew, you know, younger men started to come in and, when they would talk to me about how they felt, you know, being tired and lethargic and all this stuff, I really started to question it thinking,
4:27Speaker 2pull their blood work, thinking that was going to be it. And there was still just, I mean, the high majority of the men I ever had pull,
4:42Speaker 4Is it anything else in particular? You really just said it's the weight problem? No, I mean, there are a lot of factors. What I've seen after COVID,
4:49Speaker 4lots and lots of men would get there to start for some reason. Is it the virus? Is it the vaccine? Is it the virus? There's
5:46Speaker 4I am also trained with orthopedics and I can perform intraarticular injections and I treat mostly their knees.
6:24Speaker 4that number doesn't give us much. If it's low, yes, course it's but we have to look at also LH and FSH, maybe it's primary hypogonadism.
6:32Speaker 4We have to look at their estrogen, DHT. We have to look at their free testosterone. Free testosterone is the most important testosterone that the body can actually use.
6:42Speaker 2Why do you think that a lot of medical doctors don't run free testosterone? Do they not know that? Because it seems like-
6:49Speaker 2no, like they would, when I would get a blood test from their own, they would, a lot of them would be coming back without free testosterone, which
7:13Speaker 4how the hell are you going to know the whole history? How the hell are you going to connect to the patient?
7:19Speaker 4we are moving towards personalized medicine and conventional medicine is far behind. I mean,
7:28Speaker 2Yeah, well, that's what I love that you're saying that because that's how we fix that because 1 of the things is that does frustrate me with Western medicine is just that meaning if we go into a doctor,
7:42Speaker 2the respect that they're due, right? But if like we go in there and they just give us 2 seconds of 2 minutes of their time, they don't ask us any questions, even about sleep. How are you sleeping? Did somebody die? Or you know what I mean? And I just think they're really letting people down. That's like what I said when you came on, when I introduced you, it's so refreshing to see doctors now starting to branch out
8:25Speaker 4I would like to believe that, but I still don't believe that it's going peptides are going to
8:41Speaker 4Tirzepatide or any of the GLP agonists, not from the doctor's office, from the gray market, from compounding pharmacy,
8:51Speaker 4their A1C going down, they're getting healthier, so they and people see that the conventional medicine unfortunately fails them.
9:02Speaker 4maybe you work with the practitioners like that, I am that practitioner who sits with the patient for about 40 minutes and talks about their habits, their That's awesome. If
9:12Speaker 4they sleep, exactly, the sleep is the major factor for testosterone and growth hormone Exercise,
9:19Speaker 4you know, if you sit down, if you in IT and you sit down your ass all day long and you haven't been in the gym for months, what testosterone are we talking about? I mean, you do have to contract some of your muscles.
9:34Speaker 4resistance training, obviously sleep and cortisol and things like that. The food, what we eat.
9:40Speaker 4Will the conventional doctor ask you, what is it that you eat? Do you eat well? Nothing, ever.
9:48Speaker 2I mean, we can cure ourselves to a degree with food, but it's, it's difficult these days just because even the food is genetically modified and seed oils and everything. I think there's a big move,
9:58Speaker 2even the, you know, the growth of this podcast, we're just 2 dudes that like to talk about supplements and we just love it, you know, and it's been a passion and it's just, God's put his hand on it. It's grown because people are just seeking something different. So it's such a blessing.
10:11Speaker 2You know, but you being a doctor and being a lot farther, you know, more intelligent than us, That's why it's so rad to have you on the show just because I know people listen to this and especially with women because women kind of got a raw deal when it came to like hormones and whatnot. That's starting to come around.
10:30Speaker 2Ladies, you don't have to feel like crap. You're supposed to have a sex drive. You're supposed to feel good, right? Doc, tell us a little bit about the ladies,
10:42Speaker 2what are some of the symptoms that you're going to see where their hormones are just not right and they think they're just getting old? Well, yeah, we're all going to get old, but we don't have to feel like we're old, right?
10:53Speaker 4Oh, ladies, ladies, it's an orchestra. When I look at women's hormones, it's really not 1 thing. You know, for men, when you prescribe testosterone,
11:03Speaker 4it's estrogen, it's progesterone, it's testosterone, it's GHK, it's quartz. I mean, it's an orchestra and I'm the what that person that does the work, you know? Conductor. Conductor.
11:28Speaker 4There is no desire to go to the gym, is no desire to do things that they usually do. And honestly, testosterone is underrated hormone for women. I am, you know, I give testosterone to almost all my perimenopausal and menopausal women.
11:53Speaker 4we can do women can inject testosterone if you order testosterone from a compounding pharmacy and they have the specific formulation, it's 20 mg/ml
12:06Speaker 4Is also estrogen, you know, have you heard now there is a shortage of patches, estrogen patches
12:16Speaker 4So now, and you know, nobody talks about estrogen in injectable form, but there is estrogen siponet or
12:23Speaker 4Depo estrogen that you can order also from a compounding pharmacy. And you can have that woman to inject maybe once or twice a week together with testosterone.
12:38Speaker 4we can solve those problems. You don't have to suffer through menopause. You don't have to suffer from
12:44Speaker 4mood swings and, you know, and most of the doctors I have so many women patients who come to me because they were prescribed antidepressant for their menopausal symptoms my instead of god, estrogen or testosterone.
12:56Speaker 4Are you kidding me? And they come and they still have the same symptoms. I can have sex with my husband, but I'm on SSRI. How
13:06Speaker 4Man, what did you do? Right? It will kill your libido. But yet they were giving SSRI instead of estrogen or testosterone and testosterone, right?
13:15Speaker 2It's a mess out there. It's honestly a mess. It really is. I know this is gonna be a vague question. So, gals come in for the most part. What are you seeing is the biggest problem in their blood work? Is that too vague to
13:28Speaker 2ask that? Like, what are some of the main problems? Like if it's men, it's testosterone, So,
13:37Speaker 2like on average what you're seeing women and it's just kind of their hormones are out of whack Well, depends if it's a perimenopause
13:44Speaker 4or a menopause. Let's say a woman entered the menopause. Now, lots of things are going to be down and you can see that estrogen is around 10 or less than 10. You can see testosterone is on the floor. You can see their DHEA is very low.
13:59Speaker 4You can see their cholesterol is high, very high, because why? Your liver makes 80% of cholesterol. Your liver makes cholesterol to synthesize your hormones. Your liver,
14:15Speaker 4it keeps receiving the signal that hormones are low, so it produces cholesterol. It keeps producing
14:23Speaker 4hormones, our brain is not listening, the ovaries are empty, so there's nothing to make. And that's why in menopause we see rise in cholesterol.
14:32Speaker 4And what do people, other practitioners do? They give them statins instead of giving them Oh my I was gonna say that, you know they're getting them statins. Oh my gosh. Could give them hormones and I can see in 3 to 6 months their lipid profile goes from here to here.
14:55Speaker 4the system. When So we optimize the hormonal system, but again if a woman's overweight,
15:08Speaker 2didn't mean to cut you off. Sorry. Ahead, go ahead. Well, I was saying though that like that's, that's life though, right? Like, like if you want to feel great, sometimes it's going to take a little while to unwind
15:18Speaker 2some stuff. I mean, Will and I talk, you know, a lot about men, but, we call it the sweet spot and that's meaning basically hormonally optimized and that sweet spot changes, you know, like for example, for me, I've found like 180 mg of testosterone
15:31Speaker 2seems to be my sweet spot. And what I mean by that is where I feel the best. Sex drive is good,
15:38Speaker 2but you change as you age, you've, you know, like I've, I've talked about it on this podcast, so you haven't heard it, but I
15:46Speaker 2hit 49 man. I just went and it just knocked me the hell out of my sweet spot. The last, a good 6 months or so, I've just been really trying to figure out some of the things going on. You know, I think a lot of stuff stemming from gut,
16:01Speaker 2it takes a lot of time. Like for example, it's no fun to do blood work. It's no fun to do stool tests, but you know it's worth it when you feel good.
16:21Speaker 4mg a week, how do you inject? Do you inject once a week, twice a week, 3 times a week, every other day? What's your regimen?
16:28Speaker 2Yeah, it's a great question. It changes to how much I like to pin, as we say, inject. Generally Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I've done it all every day
16:38Speaker 2microdose. I've done it once a week because I'm just tired of sticking and lineal in my butt.
16:48Speaker 2I don't feel the biggest difference. I mean, if I do it once a week, I mean, a lot of my
16:52Speaker 2testosterone converts to estrogen fairly quickly. I've always been kind of Gino prone.
16:57Speaker 2I'd spend under wraps now for like a long time. I've had my sweet spot down for quite some time, but, you know, like we tell our listeners, takes a lot of time to figure this stuff out. You know, I've done 140,
17:29Speaker 2would be where you would start? I know it's blood work, but like, you know, when are you too high? Because I know women are gonna think that they're going to start looking like a man and feeling like a man. That's not true, but give us some ideas on ladies that don't know much about this subject.
17:43Speaker 2How are they going to feel when they get their hormones in line? And is there like kind of an idea, like how much a woman would run?
18:12Speaker 4And I decided not to use the cream, decided to inject myself with testosterone. And so how did I feel prior to the injections?
18:37Speaker 4probably fatigue would be crash in the middle of the day. And I would think that it was my sugar. And I would stick my finger and see,
18:54Speaker 4in range, if you look at the laboratory range, it was in range for me, my estrogen is dropping,
19:08Speaker 4I use testosterone again with MCT oil, it's very easy to drop with insulin syringe, I inject 2 mg,
19:21Speaker 4in the future I will increase it when my estrogen goes down to shit, let's say, and I need a little bit more testosterone to aromatize into estrogen,
19:52Speaker 4So I am for testosterone. That's good though. A few years ago, I was against the testosterone injections,
20:03Speaker 3I was going to ask you, compare the cream versus testosterone, but finish. Finish yours.
20:16Speaker 4enormous amounts where their voice would change, where they started growing hair on their chin,
20:23Speaker 4Were, you know, they needed for the stage. I was like, wow, I cannot support that as a practitioner. I was like, no.
20:37Speaker 4I have women who are injecting 10 to 15 mg a week and their testosterone is still normal, so nothing goes really crazy. So it depends on how you metabolize it. Go ahead and ask the question. Sure.
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22:00Speaker 4I have women who are afraid of needles. If they're afraid of needles, they can only use cream. We have vaginal cream, we have transdermal.
22:20Speaker 4in most of my women, for some reason, prefer cream because, again, injecting, it's not a common thing, you know, if I do say I do inject, but
22:35Speaker 2I had a, I was doing another podcast with a gal that she's a police officer and I won't say, well, I know she's listened to this. What's up, Brandy? She came on the show and you told her story basically, you know, she was going to doctor to doctor. I can't remember if they put her on antidepressants or whatnot, but they were just
22:57Speaker 2think that she heard a podcast, I don't remember exactly what was it, but she'd finally went to the doctor that actually started running her hormones
23:03Speaker 2and the long story short is she feels great. You know, she thought something's wrong with her. She didn't want to have sex with her husband and all this stuff. Like we think that that's just what happens when you get older.
23:14Speaker 2It's just not, you know, you just got to get these things in line. Do you know what is a,
23:31Speaker 2Higher than a LL-1R. Well, I'm saying from a like a doctor, if like you, they pull your blood work and they see you at Yes.
23:52Speaker 4they look at the laboratory range, they look at their lab, and the lab says that 700 is the top, and you should, you know, it's and I have a patient who had his natural testosterone of 7 20 and
24:11Speaker 4years old, your testosterone is 7 20. Oh my god. High 5! But how are we going to Did do
24:31Speaker 4don't believe you're not injecting. And the guy didn't inject. I mean, just 1 patient I have that with the natural testosterone of that number at 42 or 40 And 3
24:41Speaker 4his primary carer was like, What? He was afraid. He fired him as a patient because he didn't believe he didn't inject. And how do you look
24:54Speaker 4Like seriously, are you the doctor? If a person injects testosterone, your balls are going to be shut down. And I mean, this is a common knowledge among medical professionals, but his doctor looked at,
25:12Speaker 4Then 3, testosterone was there actually. Then I ran his panel and his LH and FSH was normal, I said, Take this blood work, go to your primary if you still want to have a primary because of your insurance, and say, I don't inject testosterone. And I was
25:29Speaker 4to tell him that this patient did not inject anything and we have evidence. Look at his estrogen, look at his LH and FSH, nothing is suppressed. That's his natural production.
25:41Speaker 3That's unreal. Unreal. So back to women, is there any so for all of the low low estrogen,
25:51Speaker 3testosterone, is there any specific symptoms? What I'm trying to get at is, is there any way for a woman who's listening
25:57Speaker 3to, I don't know, I know we don't really want to self diagnose, but is there specific symptoms
26:07Speaker 4No, with estrogen, of course. If you have very low estrogen, you will have hot flashes.
26:12Speaker 4You'll sweat like crazy. You will have the mood swings, if you're low on progesterone,
26:18Speaker 4you will not stay asleep during the night, you will be very anxious, you will be restless,
26:22Speaker 4if your testosterone is low, you'll have no motivation, you'll have no libido, you have no energy to get up and do things, especially you cannot, you know, women who were exercising and their testosterone dropped, they don't want to go to the gym. So I would say those are the common ones I can name. DHEA though, your
26:44Speaker 4body decides when you take DHEA, your body whether to convert DHEA to estrogen or to testosterone,
26:50Speaker 4or do nothing with that. So some women, and we have a new study that came out postmenopausal
26:59Speaker 4and it's large numbers, I don't remember exact milligrams, but it increases your testosterone and estrogen, not for every woman, but if your metabolism, if you metabolize hormones
27:20Speaker 3I've had women and my girlfriend, my fiance is 1 of them, but several others that say, Oh, I like taking
27:27Speaker 3semaglutide, trisepatide better because that lowers my inflammation, whereas Reta doesn't. Is there like
27:49Speaker 4and there will be we would need more studies, because I have a scientific background. I understand pathways, I understand biology,
28:26Speaker 4They would get it from me, but then they because, you know, internet talks about a lot of things and they're like, Retrite is going to be great. I don't think it's going to be great with people without immune disease. I think tirzepatide
29:23Speaker 3What do you yeah, what do you do? I mean, you do orthopedic kind of injections with what peptides are we are you giving to athletes nowadays? If, again, if What do they like? What's good? Try to use peptides when they're well, they only use peptides off season
29:46Speaker 4and we do intra articular injections with stem cells and hyaluronic acid to provide cushioning.
29:59Speaker 4not secret. When people say there is no evidence that BPC does anything, trust me, the whole
30:14Speaker 3Right. Yeah. Why is it banned? Why does WADA ban why did WADA ban BPC? Well, WADA bans stuff for 2 reasons. 1st, because it enhances
30:32Speaker 3And do you think that BPC is toxic? Like, this 1 strikes me as like, it just gives those who have enough money in to do it maybe an unfair advantage because they recover faster. But it's not bad. It's not banning it, like,
30:44Speaker 4because it's hurting people. You know that it's not hurting people because I'm sure you know hundreds and hundreds of people who are injecting BPC.
31:05Speaker 4But again, I used to prescribe those peptides, those that were on category 1 when they were moved from category 2 to category 1,
31:49Speaker 4talking to the doctor. And I always actually speak to patients and I ask them about their current conditions,
31:55Speaker 4if there was a malignancy ever, if there is any chronic conditions, and diabetic retinopathy
32:20Speaker 4We cannot say that, cannot, I cannot say that, that yes, this is it, because we don't have research confirming my words.
32:28Speaker 4Is again another real world evidence where a patient's mother of a patient of mine decided to inject it for and
32:45Speaker 4we can prove it, we can't because we don't have, but we do know what she's been on and what have changed
32:54Speaker 2are you seeing out there in the good old social media world that we all live in mindlessly scrolling?
33:00Speaker 2Or is there anything that's driving you crazy that that's all through social media that when you see it, you just want to scream like,
33:37Speaker 4the antidepressant that blocks the TRK-one channel in your brain and, you know, leads to ischemia. Do not try that peptide. You shouldn't.
33:59Speaker 4because you already have MOTS-3s in you. You produce MOTS- if you're a dream rat, you produce enough MOTS-1C.
34:07Speaker 2So I was gonna ask you 1 of the questions if we got to it. Did you think that running SS-31and
34:56Speaker 4Tell me how. If you say that, please tell me how from the scientific standpoint, from the molecular
35:23Speaker 4inside that mitochondria there is a phospholipid bilayer that's stabilized by cardiolipin,
36:31Speaker 410 mg? I tried 1 mg, I tried 5 mg, I tried 15 mg, I tried 30. I felt the same. Felt no difference.
37:02Speaker 4And I would also suggest do the blood work before and after. Look at your white blood cell, look at your red blood cell, look at your inflammatory markers,
37:23Speaker 4with some eye disorder. Now the research is being done, so I believe, I think SS-thirty
38:03Speaker 450 percent of people is going to say it's going to do something, for other people 50% they say it's going
38:37Speaker 2that's awesome. I love hearing about that. Any other ones that you do not like that you think the internet is over hyping? Let's talk a few about a few more of those. So you think MOTS-1C is all hype. What else?
39:07Speaker 3insulin like growth factor. It's very long acting. It's mean, the longest it's a longer acting than, yeah, the DES,
39:31Speaker 4so if you prolong prolonging stimulation of your IGF-one receptors and remember your IGF-one receptors in the heart muscle too.
39:45Speaker 4well not yours but the mice, the longer they live. So now we have more and more emerging research stating that the lower IGF,
40:00Speaker 2What are some ones that you like? SS-thirty 1 you like? What was the other 1 that she was saying? Oh, was it BPC?
40:06Speaker 3Yeah. I guess tell me what the thoughts on NAD. I know that, and I guess here's, I do have a bigger question on like NAD.
40:13Speaker 3I know there's scientific research that says it shouldn't work injected, but like it works. It does work.
40:19Speaker 3My broader question is how come there are a lot of these peptides where there's a, there's a lot of scientific evidence,
40:29Speaker 3in The United States. And then there's some with not much evidence and they are being accepted in Thymosin Alpha, which is like 1 of our favorites,
40:37Speaker 3right? It's like, it's a patented, it's a drug, it's you know, in 30 some countries. Why the heck does The United States not
40:46Speaker 4allow it? I don't understand the politics of medicine, honestly. I've never I don't. I was going to ask you guys, maybe you knew. But
41:17Speaker 4-People love it too. -Some people love you like them? Do you notice those? -I've tried it. I've never felt
41:31Speaker 2So what would be a, what would be a stack that you would give somebody that is a healthy, let's say a 50 year old comes in and he's actually healthy. He's been exercising.
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42:48Speaker 4Well, testosterone would be there because if he is 40 something, his testosterone is already dropping, right? We don't have much 40 year olds with
43:12Speaker 4157 and TB-five 100. And I do not like to use more than 3 peptides just to affect to see which 1 actually because
44:08Speaker 4what is the average dosages that we give to mice? From 2 50 to 500 micrograms, we give the same dosage, 500 micrograms,
44:48Speaker 4and he would like, I'm injecting that. And I was like, woah. And then he's like, did you read the research? And I'm like, no, let me And then I'm reading the research and damn, the mice would get 500 MCGs.
45:02Speaker 4And is it a placebo effect? No, because we do I do see people with some tendon injury.
45:50Speaker 4still confused on the dosages, even though we do have those dosages from compounding pharmacies that they do have recommended
45:58Speaker 4How long can you inject it for? Nobody else knows, but we come up with our own protocols.
46:18Speaker 4pro athlete is very knowledgeable. I don't need to tell him what to inject. He comes to me and he tells me, listen, this is what I need actually.
46:29Speaker 4they come to me and they say, Listen, I need these 3. I need copper, BPC and TB. I either get it from you or I'll get it from a guy in my team. And I go,
46:56Speaker 4Recommended dosages of copper peptide is 1 to 2 mg, but nobody can tolerate it higher. With that I don't have problems with the copper peptide. But BPC and TB,
47:15Speaker 2Nothing happened. Wow. JD, tell her how much you did. So I had back surgery, when was that, Will, a year ago? Don't remember, a year ago, but anyways, I, I don't know. Do you know who Paul back to you are? No.
47:28Speaker 2He's a good friend of ours. He speaks a lot of the conferences and whatnot, but anyways, he's a good friend of ours and a guy I respect heavily.
47:35Speaker 2So he saw, know I was posting, I was in the hospital, blah, blah. And then I got out and, he calls me and says, I want to put you on protocol.
47:54Speaker 23 bottles in the morning. So 30 megs, 2 bottles a night, then 20 megs. So 50 megs that day. And
48:09Speaker 2And I was like, wow, that's a lot. I was going to take a lot anyway, but like, that's a lot. And luckily I, you know, I can get it and, it worked amazingly. I mean, I healed so fast that the surgeon's like, Wow!
48:21Speaker 2Wow! You healed quickly. He's a guy that, you know, knows peptides and whatnot, not as much as you, you know?
48:31Speaker 2you know? And, I was in the gym 2 weeks later. Now it was a microdiscectomy and you know, you heal fairly quickly from a microsecond to me, but I was in the gym 2 weeks later and felt amazing. It's crazy how fast that stuff works. I love it.
48:44Speaker 4But also what I've noticed with peptides, the older you are, the less they work. I have
49:19Speaker 4so not sure, but see, we have no vision. We don't have much. We do have people. I know people, you know people, we know lots of people, but we don't really dissect those people.
49:56Speaker 2We, I would imagine though being able to somewhat do your own research by just seeing people and how they heal. It's probably amazing. Like, I can
50:08Speaker 2we get to see people heal themselves with these things and you know, again, we've already talked about Western medicine, these things are actually helping
50:19Speaker 4mid expediting injuries and whatnot. It's so awesome. But also we do need MRI studies prior and
50:31Speaker 4don't want to spend money, you know, if I because I have invited, I wanted to do my just a case study at my clinic.
50:41Speaker 4have again, I told the patient, listen, I'm going give you medication for free, but you have to pay for MRI. I want you to do the MRI now,
50:50Speaker 4then in a month, then in 2 months, so you'll be on BPC for 6 months, let's say, and they had the partial tear, they refused, they don't want to spend money on MRI. Wow, that would be so cool. I encourage
51:11Speaker 2Oh man, I would imagine, hopefully there's going to be more and more and more people like you that are starting to do that because there's, you know, people that are in this world that we all, we all swim in. 1 thing that I love about it is that everybody's really sticking together, you know, just through the podcast and just, you know, just how things work, law of attraction, so to speak. We've just been able to meet a lot of people, you know, that are in this world and they all stick together, man. They all, they all helped each other. That's a passion
51:39Speaker 2to help people get healthy and fix the world rather than, you know, where we were coming from, which we've already discussed. We'll leave it there. And it's awesome. I love seeing it. You know, I hope that,
51:50Speaker 2I hope that you just being on here, there's some doctors that see you and that lights the fire and them to do the same, you know, like Western medicine's outdated to a degree. Listen, you break your arm. That's great. Go get some good, go get it like fixed. But like, you know, it's time to look at different stuff and unfortunately they don't have the studies.
52:11Speaker 2Let's someone's got to do them. You know, your doctor, let's do it. Like, I'd love it. I love that you're leading the way in this.
52:22Speaker 3I'd like to state that and get your opinion because I think I know where you stand though. We talk about all the time that like, Hey, peptides are great people, but like they're an optimization
52:43Speaker 3these are not for you to sit on the couch and do nothing, change nothing and just take a drug.
52:49Speaker 4Thoughts on that? Do you agree with us? Absolutely. What's the most important thing? Most important thing is the muscle. Muscle is the foundation. It's the future. It's your investment
52:58Speaker 4in your future. Totally. When you're 60, 70, and 80, muscle is what's going to help you to go do your groceries without help,
53:06Speaker 4get up, get off that couch, to do the dishes, to wash the floors, to go walk with your dog. That's muscle.
53:13Speaker 4Muscle is the most important thing, I cannot stress that enough. And for my women, for the listeners, menopausal,
53:21Speaker 4estrogen is great. Absolutely, it protects your bones, but muscle will protect your bones even further. And estrogen
53:33Speaker 4get up and you have to go to the gym and you have to lift, you have to do resistance training at least,
53:50Speaker 4Bentleys and barely walking and, you know, spend lots of time walking around the mall, that's not exercise.
54:06Speaker 4no, you have to break that muscle apart. You have to break that and make and your body will heal and create hypertrophy and
54:13Speaker 4your bones will thank you later. This is an investment for your future. And if you're fat, if you're overweight, and I'm sorry, you know, I cannot, this is now people being persecuted for calling people fat, but
54:31Speaker 4If you put peptides into that and you feel nothing, of course you're going to feel nothing because your body is busy
54:39Speaker 4bringing down the inflammation from the adipose tissue, then going and responding to the signals. Peptides are signals that your body have to respond But
54:46Speaker 4if you have a bunch of inflammation, if you're sick, if you're overweight and you don't take care of your health, peptides are not magic.
55:05Speaker 2GOPs, at least if it's somebody that's overweight and they have that no motivation, and if at least that works really quickly. If that can get the damn
55:21Speaker 2supposed to be taken to perpetuity, man. Like this is, we want to build the base, not the 3rd floor.
55:28Speaker 2Everybody wants to build 0.333 floor, take an injection and that's all they're doing and they're losing weight, but you've got to build that muscle.
55:36Speaker 2And you 2 ladies, she just said it now you got the doctor that just said that we preach it every, episode that
55:52Speaker 2which you can do the bands. You can do bands at home. I mean, there's so many creative ways to do it,
56:16Speaker 2that flame in people, it doesn't even matter. It's here and people are seeking other things.
56:26Speaker 3So speaking of muscle, what do you believe in dosage? So protein, amount of grams of protein, a woman versus a man
56:35Speaker 3to build the max amount of muscle. What do you think a man or woman can actually handle? Have you looked into that? Well, there's
56:54Speaker 4you know, if you can if you're a woman and you can care if you because not everybody can eat that much, you know. I, for example,
57:07Speaker 4Probably I do eat that 3 times, yes. If I cannot eat dinner, I drink my protein shake. If you cannot meet
57:43Speaker 2knowledgeable on that? You, cause I know women and men, it's very different for women and men.
57:58Speaker 2and then about 20 hours it really starts to rev and then 36 it's GHK-3L-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB
58:10Speaker 2to figure it out. I was all pudgy and I couldn't figure it out. So I started reading about fasting and I did it for,
58:16Speaker 2to try to lose weight, but then I fell in love with it because I was running a mortgage company at that time and I was just on fire. I was like focused and it's just amazing. So those are some of the tools that we speak of a lot too,
58:34Speaker 2decrease the chance that you're going to get cancer. Dead cells dying off are falling off and brand new ones take their place.
58:42Speaker 4You lose? You know? I do fast once a month, the whole Sunday. So once Sunday a month, we don't eat anything with my body.
59:01Speaker 4if someone who eats only healthy and cooks at home, do they need fasting? Maybe they should try and see how they feel. But for me personally,
59:28Speaker 2guts, gut people are the 1 of the biggest problems, you know, from, you know, at least my digging into this,
59:33Speaker 2is just everybody's got the autoimmune problems are really stemming from the guts. Know, lot of the antibiotics have really triggered
59:41Speaker 2leaky gut and things like that. I mean, I mean, think about all everybody, you know, a lot of people have, autoimmune
1:00:24Speaker 4those people with kidney failure should entertain VIP. I have 2 patients whose kidney function, that eGFR number on your blood work that says eGFR,
1:00:35Speaker 4it was, I think his was about 30, so he was on the 2nd stage of kidney failure And VIP nasal spray brought it up to 60 in
1:01:10Speaker 4BPC- not everybody responds to BPC capsules. I have a patient with Crohn's, gave him BPC and KPV, and 3 days into the capsules, he was hospitalized with heavy bleeding.
1:01:35Speaker 4people smoke, people eat shit all the time. You know, we talk about God and we talk about how we're gonna cure God, but don't, we need to talk about lifestyle. Lifestyle is what contributes to
1:01:57Speaker 2you have to eat right. You have to work out. You have to be hormonally optimized when you get these things in line. And it's going take some time to get some of these things in line for some people, when you take them online, peptides are going to work great, most of them, right? But you gotta be hormonally optimized and you gotta do your part, which is lift some weights and stop beating, as you said, and I agree, shit food,
1:02:31Speaker 4they're not happy with their life and your gut is the 2nd brain. If you look at the neurophysiology,
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1:03:38Speaker 4Yeah. But there's some research on psilocybin and gut issues, you know, psilocybin can cure, well, can cure I cannot say cure anything because, no. But psilocybin
1:03:55Speaker 4because 1st of all- Psychedelic mushrooms. Yes, psychedelics. Yeah, they microdose them. Yes,
1:04:22Speaker 4If you're not happy, your body will respond with pain. You're not happy, I've seen, I had patients without the immune disease. I had patients with,
1:04:46Speaker 4he came back and he's still in remission. It's been 2 months, 2 years, years. It's been 2 years. Not
1:05:05Speaker 4So basically they reset your brain. So what you thought of things after psychedelics, you no longer think of those things. Psychedelics also help you to see the broader picture.
1:05:23Speaker 4Think psychedelics is the future of peptides. Psychedelics, hormones are the future of medicine.
1:05:28Speaker 3I love it. No, I think it's great. While we're talking about that, what about ketamine? What's your thought on that, on the ketamine microdosing? No,
1:05:37Speaker 4not ketamine. Ketamine, it's a it was it's not we can't call it really Can we call it psychedelic? Not really, because it's really not No, no. But
1:05:47Speaker 4if someone, because with ketamine you can never have a bad trip because it's controlled with psychedelics,
1:05:57Speaker 2was saying what you were saying. He's a guy that Will and I are both sober. We've been sober a long time, we've done a lot of, least I've done a lot of psychedelics myself.
1:06:05Speaker 2You know well, but anyways, he was a guy that really struggled. He kind of went in and out a lot. Ran into him recently. He was telling me about this psychedelic thing. He went to Mexico as well, Ayahuasca
1:06:16Speaker 2and the frog thing and all that. And the way that he was explaining it, like he was just like a healed dude. Like I had never seen him talk like that. He's usually angry and just
1:06:29Speaker 2here he comes, you know, kind of those guys, Oh man, here we go. You know, but like, dude, he was just like, I was like, wow bro. Like
1:06:36Speaker 2he was, he seemed healed and like you worked for him, man. So I love anything that's outside of the box. I think that we're not supposed to be in any box.
1:06:47Speaker 2for anything, you know what I mean? Because I think that like, again, that's rad that the world's going there, whether it be psychedelics or
1:06:55Speaker 2if you think that that's going to work for you, everybody's so radically different. You have to try some things
1:07:02Speaker 2to see what is good for you because even 1 dose of BPC for me might not work for this big dude right here. You know what I mean? And,
1:07:19Speaker 2I hope that, we get to have you here 1 day. That would be awesome. We've had a lot of people that come start
1:07:26Speaker 2on the internet and then they come in and it's always a pleasure to get to sit with you because we could go for hours on just talking with you. I love what you're doing. I know I've said that, but I really am so, so glad to see
1:07:47Speaker 2The world's like you said, it is, let's just be honest. It's fat, it's overweight. It's just, they've given up on themselves. So we need people that are leading the way that are actually doctors and people will trust even like more than us because we just, we try this ourselves.
1:08:09Speaker 3We leave, I have 3 pages full of questions, but I will not ask those. I have 1 more question. We
1:08:26Speaker 3my fiance and I are trying to have a baby. I haven't done any testosterone in a month now.
1:08:34Speaker 3And I've been running testosterone for too many years. I'm 41 now. I think I started at like 32. So that's why I like weaned down, but I'm now, but I'm also like, do you do any fertility protocols? And do you, what would you suggest? I'm taking some I mean, I'm here's what I'm taking is Well, no test. And clomiphene, like 25 mg a day.
1:09:18Speaker 4So you're trying to wake your balls up, but it's only been a month of testosterone, so it's going take about 3 months
1:09:29Speaker 4you check the sperm, whether the motility is adequate, everything's fine. But I think it's too much of things you do, will start converting, your estrogen will go up, with up estrogen is not a good quality sperm. I think you should do 12.5 mg of Enclomiphene
1:09:49Speaker 4But also do the blood work, look at your estrogen. If estrogen is too high, it's also not a good thing for conception.
1:10:08Speaker 3don't really know. I don't know. I don't know. We have not got her. So again, like we've only been like saying, Hey, let's, okay, let's, let's try for like 3 weeks now. I knew that we wanted to, and now we're serious about it. So, but yeah, we might as well
1:10:21Speaker 4both go get checked. Yes, but again, you've been in testosterone for so long. It's going to take about 3 months on average. That's what I see in my practice for your balls to be awakened and start producing your own testosterone.
1:10:46Speaker 3Okay, that's cool. I can do it well. I'm also taking, still taking, I'm thinking like, I don't know, 1 IU of HGH because I've had conflicting advice from doctors. Some
1:10:59Speaker 4and then some have said, yes, you should. Do have research that HGH helps the spermatogenesis,
1:11:10Speaker 4it means it's exogenous, it means your pituitary will shut down. So you will have to do some cycling. Maybe do HGH and then Tesamorelin or Ipamorelin or whatever Rallying you like,
1:11:48Speaker 4if you have some injuries and you want GH, but I like Tesamorelin because it's mild stimulation of your pituitary and it also helps on your liver too, if you have fatty liver disease, Tesamorelin is supposed to get the fat out. Now, Reta will get your fat out of the liver in no time, of course. That's the main job of Reta.
1:12:23Speaker 3How about this 1? The women ask us all the time, like, what is my what's a protocol for perimenopause?
1:12:38Speaker 4So in perimenopause, we're not going to give you estrogen unless you have symptoms of hot flashes. Most women don't. So we're going to replace progesterone with testosterone and we'll monitor you.
1:13:03Speaker 4because your liver starts to make more cholesterol, because the hormones are failing, so Tesamorelin should help to redistribute
1:13:20Speaker 4So when before you had little fat here, little fat there, estrogen goes down, your fat going
1:13:28Speaker 3Yeah, that's bad. Okay, that's cool. And then finally, we try to ask every guest, like, what are you taking for peptides that you can tell us right now? Do you mind telling us like, what are taking right now? On record, I can tell you people on record what I take. I take SS-31.
1:14:09Speaker 4we detox, I detox alcoholics with an HIV, even though we have no studies, we have no research proving, but it works, and I see this in my practice. A Russian man who drinks for weeks and then they come in and we do daily infusion with hundred and with 500 to 750
1:14:41Speaker 4especially, because they get so nauseous. They see they look at VAC and they think of probably NAD, how bad it was for them. But
1:14:49Speaker 4now, from the molecular standpoint, if you look at NAD, it's a large molecule, right? It's a coenzyme.
1:15:09Speaker 4bring it into the cell and now converts it back to NAD plus So then why not inject NR?
1:15:27Speaker 4it's again, it's a theoretical thing. So this is a theory, but but very valid theory because we do know the mechanisms.
1:15:39Speaker 4NAD plus Then your body doesn't have to do anything. No, it does. If you take NAD plus your body have to convert it to NR and NMN and then take it into the and Yes, convert it it's a process and some people will lack that enzyme. Not everybody will have that enzyme.
1:15:59Speaker 4That's why some people have no effect on NAD, some people have great effect with NAD,
1:16:33Speaker 3and they were going in with jaundice and then coming out good. And then the authorities
1:17:03Speaker 4some testing. And so for the whole week, he did NAD infusions. In a week, was clear. In a week, I mean, days, not 7, even 5 days of 500 mg daily.
1:17:18Speaker 3Wow. A lot of kids, the good thing, little kids aren't listening to this. They just got some ideas.
1:17:31Speaker 3we've been sober for a long time because we abused every single bit of drug and alcohol there is and both went through all this. That's, that's close
1:17:40Speaker 4to our heart. Yeah. Am sober too. I have, I have, I don't drink. Good for you. Okay. Congratulations.
1:18:04Speaker 2meeting you again and hopefully we meet you soon. Absolutely. I really, really enjoyed this talk. Thank you so much. Right. Doctor. J, we'll talk to you soon. Bye All bye
1:18:13Speaker 2guys. Take care. Thank you for joining us for the pep time of the week. We'll catch you next time. Later.