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1:09Speaker 1Welcome back to the pep time of the week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham Across the way, my buddy, my pal, my business partner, friend,
1:16Speaker 1Mr. William T. Haas, like always. What's up, man? What's up, dude? And
1:21Speaker 1unfortunately not with us here,
1:24Speaker 1but live across the internet is
1:27Speaker 1she goes by Doctor. K, some know her as Doctor. Kissinia.
1:30Speaker 1She is all over the darn internet right now. So if you're in the world of peptides or hormone replacement
1:37Speaker 1and you haven't seen her, you're not looking. So,
1:40Speaker 4Doctor. K, how are you? Great. And I'm so happy to be here with you guys. Well, not here, but virtually.
1:46Speaker 4Very excited. I was looking forward to this talk.
1:50Speaker 1Me too, me too. I've been seeing your stuff everywhere and I just, love the education that you're dropping out there. It's been so
1:57Speaker 1awesome. We need more doctors like you.
2:01Speaker 1Let's find some. Where are they at? I love that you are, it's just so refreshing to see some of the stuff that you're putting out there. And that's obviously why you're growing probably really quickly. Thank you. Where
2:13Speaker 5are you from? What city and state are you sitting in right now? Miami, Florida.
2:19Speaker 5Miami, Florida. I've been here for the past 25,
2:22Speaker 524 years, 23.
2:24Speaker 1Yeah,
2:25Speaker 1Miami's awesome. I've been there many times. Can you tell us what you do, what you do
2:30Speaker 5for everybody?
2:32Speaker 5Credential yourself or I just don't really care about I don't care about credentialing. And
2:36Speaker 4I
2:37Speaker 4am a partner in the business, in the wellness business.
2:41Speaker 4And what I do personally is I see men and women for their hormone replacement therapy,
2:46Speaker 4peptides and
2:50Speaker 4weight loss, I would say. So 3 major categories.
2:54Speaker 1Okay, cool. Out of those 3, what would you say you would lean towards if you had to choose 1? What would be your favorite?
3:02Speaker 4HRT, probably.
3:03Speaker 4Because it's very complicated and I like complicated stuff. I like to figure stuff out.
3:09Speaker 1Yeah, that's good. You kind of seem like that type of person.
3:13Speaker 1In regards to that, let's touch on that for a little bit. So in regards to that, what are you seeing? What are some of the reasons why people's hormones are so out of whack these days? I mean, you're talking young 20 year olds are
3:26Speaker 1even like low on testosterone and things like that. Do you have an idea of what you think is some of the issues with people
3:34Speaker 1going on? Young
3:35Speaker 4people? Well, we have to look at their metabolic profile because
3:40Speaker 4lots of people are unfortunately, what I see in my practice of a 30 year old man with testosterone of 2 50, most likely I see him carrying
3:50Speaker 4some extra weight.
3:52Speaker 1Okay,
3:53Speaker 1so you think it's the weight thing?
3:56Speaker 1When I started doing the fitness channel for me, I started to have a lot of men pull their
4:01Speaker 1blood work
4:02Speaker 1and I marketed
4:04Speaker 1towards men 40, right? I'm 40,
4:07Speaker 1so it seemed smart to do that, which was, and then as the channel grew, you know, younger men started to come in and, when they would talk to me about how they felt, you know, being tired and lethargic and all this stuff, I really started to question it thinking,
4:21Speaker 1could it be their testosterone? No way. You know, like a 28 year old,
4:25Speaker 1and I would have them
4:27Speaker 1pull their blood work, thinking that was going to be it. And there was still just, I mean, the high majority of the men I ever had pull, their blood work were literally under 300.
4:38Speaker 1That's
4:39Speaker 1not
4:40Speaker 1all of them were overweight.
4:42Speaker 1Is it anything else in particular? Are you really just saying it's the weight problem? No, I mean, there are a lot of facts. What I've seen after COVID,
4:49Speaker 4lots and lots of men would get there to start for some reason. Is it the virus? Is it the vaccine?
4:54Speaker 4Is it the virus? There's
4:56Speaker 4no research, right? But I do see a lot of men who had COVID, who had
5:02Speaker 4vaccines,
5:03Speaker 4but so they had COVID and they had vaccines. There
5:06Speaker 4is a lot of conspiracy, but definitely
5:09Speaker 4viral illness could have been the culprit of it.
5:13Speaker 4Also,
5:16Speaker 4if,
5:18Speaker 4you know, if you have a I do have I do work with a lot of athletes.
5:22Speaker 4They had concussions, many concussions,
5:25Speaker 4their testosterone will be low because of the,
5:28Speaker 4what is it, the trauma induced endocrine dysfunction.
5:33Speaker 1You see professional athletes? Are they you seeing their testosterone
5:38Speaker 1low as well? Some
5:40Speaker 4of them, yes. Mostly I see them for
5:43Speaker 4intra articular injections because I
5:46Speaker 4I am also trained with orthopedics and I can perform intraarticular
5:50Speaker 4injections and I treat mostly their knees.
5:54Speaker 4Okay.
5:55Speaker 1You see
5:57Speaker 1these days
5:59Speaker 1men, even young men, talking about TRT, whether they're running gear or TRT,
6:05Speaker 1let's call it TRT because that's what they say. Now,
6:08Speaker 1do you think that that many
6:11Speaker 1men,
6:12Speaker 1even young men should be on testosterone replacement?
6:15Speaker 4Because it's literally everywhere. It depends again, how young are they?
6:20Speaker 4It depends what their testosterone and again, total testosterone,
6:24Speaker 4that number doesn't give us much. If it's low, yes, of course it's but we have to look at also LH and FSH, maybe it's primary hypogonadism.
6:32Speaker 4We have to look at their estrogen, DHT. We have to look at their free testosterone. Free testosterone is the most important testosterone that the body can actually use.
6:41Speaker 1Yes.
6:42Speaker 1Why do you think that a lot of medical
6:44Speaker 1doctors don't run free testosterone? Do they not know that? Because it seems like-
6:49Speaker 1no, like they would, when I would get a blood test from their own, they would, a lot of them would be coming back without free testosterone, which
6:58Speaker 4Oh, maybe they are the insurance slaves
7:00Speaker 4because insurance dictates what
7:02Speaker 4the doctor can actually prescribe and what insurance is going to pay for.
7:07Speaker 4If,
7:08Speaker 4and listen, when the doctor have only 12 minutes to see the patient,
7:13Speaker 4how the hell are you gonna know the whole history? How the hell are you going to connect to the patient?
7:18Speaker 4How? Is
7:19Speaker 4and we are moving towards personalized medicine and conventional medicine is far behind. I mean,
7:25Speaker 4they need to catch up a little bit.
7:28Speaker 1Yeah. Well, that's what I love that you're saying that because that's how we fix that because 1 of the things is that does frustrate me with Western medicine is just that meaning if we go into a doctor,
7:40Speaker 1we give them, you know, the respect that they're due, right? But if like we go in there and they just give us 2 seconds of 2 minutes of their time, they don't ask us any questions, even about sleep. How are you sleeping? Did somebody die? Or you know what I mean? And, I just think they're really letting people down. That's like what I said when you came on, when I introduced you, it's so refreshing to see doctors now starting to branch out
8:03Speaker 1into the world that you are. Do you think in regards to like peptides and whatnot,
8:11Speaker 1they're going to start to push
8:14Speaker 1Western medicine and pharmaceuticals
8:16Speaker 1a little bit to the side at all? Or do you see them running neck and neck or
8:21Speaker 1commingling?
8:22Speaker 1What would you say? I honestly,
8:25Speaker 4I would like to believe that, but I still don't believe that it's going peptides are going to
8:31Speaker 4you know what I mean? I don't it's who is going to
8:35Speaker 4benefit from that? Listen,
8:37Speaker 40.5 of the population probably of The United States is using
8:41Speaker 4Tirzepatide or any of the GLP agonists, not from the doctors' offices, from the gray market, from compounding pharmacy,
8:47Speaker 4and their blood pressure going up, going down,
8:51Speaker 4their A1C going down, they're getting healthier. So they and people see that the conventional medicine unfortunately fails them.
9:00Speaker 4So they need a practitioner,
9:02Speaker 4maybe you work with the practitioners like that, I am that practitioner who sits
9:07Speaker 4with the patient for about 40 minutes and talk about their habits, their That's awesome. If they sleep exactly. The sleep is the major factor for testosterone and growth hormone Exercise,
9:19Speaker 4you know, if you sit down, if you're in IT and you sit on your ass all day long and you haven't been in the gym for months, what stash are we talking about? I mean, you do have to contract some of your muscles.
9:32Speaker 1Right, so you're a big advocate of
9:34Speaker 1resistance training, obviously sleep and cortisol and things like that. The food, what we eat.
9:40Speaker 4Will the conventional doctor ask you, what is it that you eat? Do you eat well? Nothing ever.
9:46Speaker 4Exactly.
9:48Speaker 1I mean, we can cure ourselves to a degree with food, but it's difficult these days just because even the food is genetically modified and seed oils and everything. I think there's a big move,
9:58Speaker 1even the, you know, the growth of this podcast, we're just 2 dudes that like to talk about supplements and we just love it, you know, and it's been a passion and it's just, God's put his hand on it. It's grown because people are just seeking something different. So it's such a blessing.
10:12Speaker 1You know, but you being a doctor and being a lot farther, you know, more intelligent than us, That's why it's so rad to have you on the show just because I know people listen to this and especially with women because women kind of got a raw deal when it came to like hormones and whatnot. That's starting to come around.
10:30Speaker 1Ladies, you don't have to feel like crap. You're supposed to have a sex drive. You're supposed to feel good, right? Doug, tell us a little bit about the ladies
10:38Speaker 1because there's so many that
10:40Speaker 1listen,
10:42Speaker 1what are some of the symptoms that you're going to see where their hormones are just not right and they think they're just getting old? Well, yeah, we're all going to get old, but we don't have to feel like we're old, right?
10:53Speaker 4Oh, ladies, ladies, it's an orchestra. When I look at women's hormones, it's really not 1 thing. Like, you know, for men, when you prescribe testosterone,
11:01Speaker 4great. For women,
11:03Speaker 4it's estrogen, it's progesterone, it's testosterone, it's GHK, it's quartz. I mean, it's an orchestra and I'm the what that person that does the work, you know? Conductor. Right. So
11:15Speaker 4the symptoms usually are
11:17Speaker 4irritability,
11:18Speaker 4very hard
11:20Speaker 4to fall asleep and stay
11:22Speaker 4asleep, low libido, I mean, this is the major 1, inability to build muscle.
11:28Speaker 4There is no desire to go to the gym, is no desire to do things that they usually do. And honestly, testosterone is underrated hormone for women. I am, you know, I give testosterone to almost all my perimenopausal and menopausal women.
11:44Speaker 4And it makes a huge difference, huge difference. Not the palate, I'm not I will never advocate
11:50Speaker 4for the palates.
11:51Speaker 4Injectables, so the creams,
11:53Speaker 4we can do women can inject testosterone if you order testosterone from a compounding pharmacy and they have the specific formulation, it's 20 mg/ml
12:02Speaker 4instead of 200 mg/ml
12:04Speaker 4for men.
12:06Speaker 4Is also estrogen, you know, have you heard now there is a shortage of patches, estrogen patches
12:13Speaker 4in America, what?
12:16Speaker 4Now, and you know, nobody talks about estrogen in injectable form, but there is estrogen siponet
12:22Speaker 4or
12:23Speaker 4Depo estrogen that you can order also from a compounding pharmacy.
12:27Speaker 4And you can have that woman to inject maybe once or twice a week together with testosterone.
12:33Speaker 4I mean, the dosages are again depends on the specific individual and but their blood
12:38Speaker 4we can solve those problems. You don't have to suffer through menopause. You don't have to suffer from
12:44Speaker 4mood swings and, you know, and most of the doctors I have so many women patients who come to me because they were prescribed antidepressant
12:53Speaker 4for their menopausal symptoms my instead of gosh, estrogen or
12:56Speaker 4kidding me. And they come and they still have the same symptoms. I can have sex with my husband, but I'm on SSRI. How SSRI
13:04Speaker 4will kill your libido?
13:06Speaker 4Man, what did you do? Right? It will kill your libido. But yet they were giving SSRI instead of estrogen or testosterone and testosterone, right?
13:15Speaker 4It's a mess out there. It's honestly a mess.
13:18Speaker 1It really is. I know this is going be a vague question. So, so gals come in for the most part. What are you seeing is the biggest problem in their blood work? Is that too vague
13:28Speaker 1to ask that? Like, what are some of the main problems? Like, if it's men, it's testosterone,
13:33Speaker 1So,
13:34Speaker 1is there like a
13:37Speaker 1Like, on average, what you're seeing women and that's just kind of their hormones are out of whack depends if what it's a perimenopause
13:44Speaker 4or a menopause. Let's say a woman entered the menopause. Now, lots of things are going to be down, and you can see that estrogen is around 10 or less than 10. You can see testosterone is on the floor. You can see their DHEA is very low.
13:59Speaker 4You can see their cholesterol is high, very high, because why? Your liver makes 80% of cholesterol. Your liver makes cholesterol to synthesize your hormones. Your liver,
14:10Speaker 4I guess, doesn't get the message that hormones are no longer being synthesized because
14:15Speaker 4it keeps receiving the signal that hormones are low, so it produces cholesterol. It keeps producing
14:21Speaker 4the same amount of cholesterol,
14:23Speaker 4but hormones,
14:24Speaker 4brain is not listening, the ovaries are empty, so there's nothing to make. And that's why in menopause we see rise in cholesterol and what do people, other practitioners do? They give them statins instead of giving them hormones. My gosh, was gonna say that, you know they're getting them statins. Oh my God. You could give them hormones and I can see in 3 to 6 months their lipid profile goes from here to here. So it really gets stabilized.
14:50Speaker 4That's what's called hormone optimization,
14:53Speaker 4when we optimize
14:55Speaker 4the system. So when we optimize the hormonal system, but again, if a woman's overweight,
15:00Speaker 4it's an orchestra,
15:02Speaker 4we have to work on a lot of things.
15:04Speaker 4But if a woman- that's, I
15:08Speaker 1didn't mean to cut you off. Sorry. Ahead. Go ahead. Well, was saying though that like that's life though, right? Like if you want to feel great, sometimes it's gonna take a little while to unwind
15:18Speaker 1some stuff. I mean Will and I talk, a lot about men, but, we call it the sweet spot and that's meaning basically hormonally optimized and that sweet spot changes, you know, like for example, for me, I've found like 180 mg of testosterone
15:31Speaker 1seems to be my sweet spot. And what I mean by that is where I feel the best. Sex drive is good,
15:38Speaker 1but you change as you age, you've, you know, like I've talked about it on this podcast, so you haven't heard it, but
15:46Speaker 1I hit 49 man and I just went and it just knocked me the hell out of my sweet spot. So the last,
15:52Speaker 1good 6 months or so, I've just been really trying to figure out some of the things going on. You know, I think a lot of stuff stemming from gut,
15:59Speaker 1my gut, and
16:01Speaker 1it takes a lot of time. Like for example, it's no fun to do blood work. It's no fun to do stool tests, but you know, it's worth it when you feel good,
16:10Speaker 1you know, you can feel great at 49,
16:13Speaker 1you know, just people have just succumbed to the fact that, oh, I'm getting old.
16:17Speaker 1So yeah. Can I ask you a question? I love it. So 180
16:21Speaker 4mg a week, how do you inject? Do you inject once a week, twice a week, 3 times a week, every other day? What's your regimen?
16:28Speaker 1That's a great question. It changes to how much I like to pin, as we say, inject.
16:33Speaker 1Generally Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I've done it all every day,
16:38Speaker 1microdose. I've done it once a week because I'm just tired of sticking a lineal in my butt. Obviously
16:44Speaker 1daily is going to be the best way to do it. I
16:48Speaker 1don't feel the biggest difference. I mean, if I do it once a week, I mean, a lot of my
16:52Speaker 1testosterone converts to estrogen fairly quickly. I've always been kind of Gino prone.
16:57Speaker 1It's been under wraps now for like a long time. Had my sweet spot down for quite some time, but, you know, like we tell our listeners, it takes a lot of time to figure this stuff out. You know, I've done 140,
17:10Speaker 1150,
17:11Speaker 1200, which I knew was too much.
17:13Speaker 1That's everybody. I would imagine women as well. So for example,
17:18Speaker 1is there a general
17:20Speaker 1rule of thumb for ladies? We've heard 5,
17:23Speaker 112.
17:24Speaker 1Is there a specific amount
17:26Speaker 1of testosterone
17:28Speaker 1that would be where you would start? I know it's blood work, but like, you know, when are you too high? Cause I know women are gonna think they're going to start looking like a man and feeling like a man. That's not true, but give us some ideas on ladies that don't know much about this subject.
17:43Speaker 1How
17:44Speaker 1are they gonna feel when they get their hormones in line? Is there like kind of an idea of like how much a woman would run?
17:52Speaker 4Sure.
17:53Speaker 4So I'm gonna give me I'm gonna have
17:57Speaker 4me as an example instead of my patients,
17:59Speaker 4I am 43 and I am perimenopausal.
18:02Speaker 4Yay!
18:04Speaker 1And
18:04Speaker 4my testosterone
18:07Speaker 4was slowly going down, and 3 months ago it just dropped.
18:12Speaker 4And I decided not to use the cream, I decided to inject myself with testosterone. And so how did I feel prior to injections?
18:21Speaker 4Definitely no libido,
18:23Speaker 4definitely that went out the way, you know, and I married.
18:26Speaker 4And I was like, I had no desire.
18:28Speaker 4And my husband is like,
18:30Speaker 4You're 43. I'm like, Yeah.
18:33Speaker 4And so
18:34Speaker 4that's what the
18:36Speaker 4fatigue
18:37Speaker 4probably
18:38Speaker 4would be a crash in the middle of the day, I would think that it was my sugar, and I would stick my finger and see,
18:46Speaker 4am I hypoglycemic?
18:47Speaker 4What's happening?
18:48Speaker 4So before I realized it was testosterone, even my testosterone though
18:53Speaker 4was
18:54Speaker 4in range. If you look at the laboratory range, it was in range for me. My estrogen is dropping,
19:00Speaker 4my progesterone has dropped, so I am on progesterone and testosterone.
19:05Speaker 4So I am injecting testosterone twice a week.
19:08Speaker 4I use testosterone again. With MCT oil, it's very easy to drop with insulin syringe and I inject 2 mg,
19:15Speaker 42 to 3 mg Monday and Thursday.
19:18Speaker 1Right now. Okay.
19:20Speaker 4I can increase, maybe
19:21Speaker 4in the future I will increase it when my estrogen goes down to shit, let's say, and I need a little bit more testosterone to aromatize into estrogen.
19:30Speaker 4I'll do that. Again, I have to it has to be with labs. It to
19:37Speaker 4be monitored because
19:39Speaker 4then I lost And testosterone for
19:42Speaker 4definitely within 3 weeks, I did feel
19:45Speaker 4much better.
19:46Speaker 4And I feel great now.
19:48Speaker 1Come here, Yes,
19:50Speaker 4I tell you that.
19:52Speaker 4So I am for testosterone. That's good though. 2 years ago, I was against the testosterone injections,
19:57Speaker 1but now I'm not.
20:00Speaker 4The reason why I was What do you think
20:03Speaker 5I was gonna ask you to compare the cream versus testosterone, but finish. Finish yours.
20:08Speaker 4So why I was against the testosterone? Because I saw a lot of women athletes
20:13Speaker 4who really were injecting
20:16Speaker 4enormous amounts where their voice would change, where they started growing hair on their chin, but they would compete.
20:23Speaker 4Were, you know, they needed for the stage. I was like, wow, I cannot support that as practitioner. So I'm like, no. And they will get testosterone on the ground, obviously. But
20:34Speaker 4the more I speak to women and
20:37Speaker 4I have women who are injecting from 10 to 15 mg a week and their testosterone is still normal, so nothing goes really crazy. So it depends on how you metabolize it. Ahead and ask the question. Sure.
20:49Speaker 5Yeah, sure. Okay, my question, what
20:53Speaker 5do you think, what do you like better and compare testosterone
20:56Speaker 5cream versus injections?
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21:38Speaker 3So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
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22:01Speaker 5doing much?
22:04Speaker 4For men, women, etcetera.
22:06Speaker 4For men, probably,
22:08Speaker 4it's better to do injections because they sweat more.
22:13Speaker 4But
22:14Speaker 4again,
22:15Speaker 4I have women who are afraid of needles. If they're afraid of needles, they can only use cream. We have vaginal cream, we have transdermal.
22:22Speaker 4Do the number? Yes, the numbers go up, but you have to just have the larger
22:28Speaker 4percentage of testosterone in the cream to reach the therapeutic dose.
22:33Speaker 4But it does work, it does work. But
22:35Speaker 4in most of my women, for some reason, prefer cream because, again, injecting, it's not a common thing, you know, if I do say I do inject, but
22:44Speaker 4it's my personal opinion,
22:46Speaker 4I don't have to put it on my patient.
22:49Speaker 1Yeah,
22:51Speaker 1had a, I was doing another podcast with a gal that she's a police officer and I won't say, well, I know she's listened to this. What's up, Brandy? She came on the show and you told her story basically, you know, she was going to doctor to doctor. I can't remember if they put her on antidepressants or whatnot, but they were just
23:08Speaker 1not helping her in any way. And
23:11Speaker 1I think that she heard a podcast. I don't remember exactly what was it, but she'd finally went to the doctor that actually started running her hormones and
23:19Speaker 1long story short is she feels great. You know, she thought something's wrong with her. She didn't want to have sex with her husband and all this stuff. Right? Like we think that that's just what happens when you get older.
23:29Speaker 1It's just not, you know, you just got to get these things in line. Do you know what is a
23:34Speaker 1what's like a you say in range? So like in range is what like $2.50 to
23:41Speaker 1500 or something for men.
23:44Speaker 1Is an actual healthy range?
23:46Speaker 1Higher than a lot higher. Well, I'm saying from a, like a doctor, if like you, you, they pull your blood work and they see you at like Yes.
23:53Speaker 1So you're in range.
23:55Speaker 4They see for if I see a 40 year old man with testosterone of 4 50,
24:01Speaker 4a free testosterone of 8, I'd say you're not in range.
24:05Speaker 4But conventional
24:06Speaker 4doctors, absolutely, they look at the laboratory range, look at their lab, and the lab says that 700 is the top. I
24:16Speaker 4have a patient who had his natural testosterone of 7 20, and he's like, My doctor said I have to detox. I'm like, How do you detox?
24:25Speaker 4Mean, you're 40
24:26Speaker 4years old, your testosterone is 7 20. Oh my god. High 5! But how are we going to detox?
24:33Speaker 1Did he answer that? Did he tell you how? Tell me. That's fine. No,
24:38Speaker 4no, not. He didn't say. I mean, she just left the doctor. The doctor was
24:43Speaker 4scared. He said, this is not right. This is scary. I
24:47Speaker 4don't believe you're not injecting. And the guy didn't inject. I mean, just 1 patient I have that with the natural testosterone of that number at 42 or 40 And 3
24:56Speaker 4his primary carer was like, What? He was afraid. He fired him as a patient because he didn't believe he didn't inject. And how do you
25:05Speaker 4look at his LH and FSH and it's not suppressed? That's how you know he's not injecting.
25:10Speaker 4Like seriously, are you the doctor? If
25:12Speaker 4a person injects testosterone, your balls are going to be shut down. And I mean, this is a common knowledge among medical
25:19Speaker 4professionals, but his doctor looked at,
25:21Speaker 4but I guess he didn't run MNLH and FSH because all they do is probably run testosterone, and he looked at testosterone. And
25:27Speaker 4don't treat testosterone, was there actually, and then I ran his panel and his LH and FSH was normal, and I said, take this blood work, go to your primary if you still want to have a primary because of your insurance, and say, I don't inject testosterone.
25:40Speaker 4And I was
25:41Speaker 4willing to write a letter to the doctor
25:44Speaker 4to tell him that this patient did not inject anything and we have evidence. Look at his estrogen, look at his LH and FSH, nothing is suppressed. That's his natural production.
25:53Speaker 4You should be happy for this guy.
25:56Speaker 5That's unreal. Unreal. So back to women, is there any for all of the low low estrogen,
26:03Speaker 5progesterone,
26:04Speaker 5DHEA,
26:06Speaker 5testosterone, is there any specific symptoms? What I'm trying to get at is, is there any way for a woman who's listening
26:12Speaker 5to, I don't know, I know we don't really want to self diagnose, but is there specific symptoms for each 1 of those?
26:19Speaker 5Or are they
26:20Speaker 5kind of all the same
26:22Speaker 4symptoms? No, with estrogen, of course. If you have very low estrogen, you will have hot flashes.
26:28Speaker 4You'll sweat like crazy. You will have the mood swings. If you're low on progesterone,
26:33Speaker 4you will not stay asleep during the night, you will be very anxious, you will be restless,
26:37Speaker 4if your testosterone is low, you'll have no motivation, you'll have no libido, you have no energy to get up and do things, especially you cannot, you know, some women who were exercising
26:48Speaker 4and their testosterone dropped, they don't want to go to the gym. So I would say those are the common ones I can name. DHEA though,
26:59Speaker 4When you take DHEA, your body decides whether to convert DHEA to estrogen or to testosterone or do nothing with that. So some women and we have a new study that came out postmenopausal
27:09Speaker 4women taking DHEA
27:12Speaker 4and so when you take DHEA,
27:14Speaker 4it's large numbers, I don't remember exact milligrams, but it increases your testosterone and estrogen,
27:20Speaker 4not for every woman, but if your metabolism, if you metabolize hormones
27:24Speaker 4good,
27:25Speaker 4then it will help you. But not everybody,
27:28Speaker 4can respond to DHEA again.
27:30Speaker 5Okay,
27:31Speaker 5interesting. So, here's a kind of off topic. I've
27:36Speaker 5had women and my girlfriend, my fiance is 1 of them, but several others that say, oh, I like taking semaglutide,
27:43Speaker 5tirzepatide better because that lowers my inflammation.
27:45Speaker 5Whereas Reta doesn't. Is there like
27:49Speaker 5any scientific
27:51Speaker 5Does that make any sense to you? Yes,
27:53Speaker 4of course, because of glucagon, it's thermogenic.
27:56Speaker 1Glucagon,
27:57Speaker 4I don't think that when
27:59Speaker 4Retatr come out, right, November should be December,
28:04Speaker 4and there will be we would need more studies.
28:07Speaker 4Because I have a scientific background. I understand pathways, I understand biology,
28:12Speaker 4molecular pathways, receptor modulation.
28:16Speaker 4ARA-three
28:17Speaker 4receptors,
28:18Speaker 4it acts on 3 receptors.
28:20Speaker 4Glucagon,
28:20Speaker 41 of the receptors that can
28:23Speaker 4be pro inflammatory
28:25Speaker 4in people with autoimmune conditions.
28:28Speaker 4I
28:29Speaker 4do have a few patients with Hashimoto's
28:32Speaker 4who buy Reta,
28:34Speaker 4you know, somewhere,
28:35Speaker 4and their Hashimoto gotten worse.
28:39Speaker 4But on tirzepatide,
28:40Speaker 4they want tirzepatide.
28:41Speaker 4They would get it from me, but then they because, you know, Internet talks about a lot of things and they're like, Retra is going to be great. I don't think it's going to be great with people without immune disease. I think tirzepatide
28:52Speaker 4will stay
28:54Speaker 4as a main
28:55Speaker 4GLP
28:57Speaker 4drug for patients with autoimmune conditions,
29:01Speaker 4endometriosis
29:02Speaker 4and
29:03Speaker 4such, you know, Hashimoto's,
29:05Speaker 4psoriasis,
29:07Speaker 4rheumatoid arthritis. I have patients
29:09Speaker 4on rheumatoid arthritis and psoriatic arthritis
29:13Speaker 4who
29:14Speaker 4take tirzepatide microdosing
29:16Speaker 4after 2 mg and they have symptoms relief.
29:21Speaker 5Wow.
29:22Speaker 5Really good to hear. Okay. That is cool. That's really that's helpful.
29:26Speaker 5I'm curious about your athletes.
29:29Speaker 5And I know BPC is on the water list. My guess is for years, as I know this, I mean,
29:35Speaker 5that athletes have been using BPC.
29:38Speaker 5What do you, yeah, what do you do? I mean, you do orthopedic kind of injections with what peptides
29:43Speaker 5are you
29:45Speaker 5giving to athletes nowadays?
29:47Speaker 4Do they like? What's good? Try to use peptides when they're well, they only use peptides off season
29:53Speaker 4when
29:54Speaker 4they cannot be tested,
29:56Speaker 4and they do use BPC, they use TB,
29:59Speaker 4they use Thymosin Alpha,
30:01Speaker 4and we do intra articular injections with stem cells and hyaluronic acid to provide cushioning.
30:08Speaker 4But yes, everybody
30:09Speaker 4if they don't get it from me, they get it off.
30:12Speaker 4Yeah, everybody. Listen, it's not it's not secret. When people say there is no evidence that BPC does anything, trust me, the whole
30:21Speaker 4Olympic world
30:22Speaker 4has been using it for the past since, what, 1997.
30:28Speaker 1Yeah.
30:29Speaker 5Right. Yeah. Why is it banned? Why does WADA ban why did WADA ban BPC?
30:34Speaker 4Well, WADA bans
30:36Speaker 4stuff for 2 reasons. 1st, because it enhances
30:39Speaker 4the performance.
30:41Speaker 42nd, because
30:42Speaker 4you go. -It has -It is toxic.
30:46Speaker 5Yeah.
30:47Speaker 5And do you think that BPC is toxic? Like, this 1 strikes me as like, it just gives those who have enough money in to do it maybe an unfair advantage because they recover faster, but it's not bad. It's not banning it, like,
30:59Speaker 4because it's hurting people. You know that it's not hurting people because I'm sure you know hundreds and hundreds of people who are injecting BPC.
31:07Speaker 4I have been
31:09Speaker 4prescribing
31:10Speaker 4and you can
31:12Speaker 4I'm fine with this, don't have to cut it. So I have been prescribing peptides
31:17Speaker 4since COVID times.
31:20Speaker 4Again, used to prescribe those peptides,
31:23Speaker 4those that were on category 1 when they were moved from category 2 to category 1. And
31:28Speaker 4the most prescribed peptide in my practice was BPC and TB.
31:33Speaker 1Sure, of course. It's
31:34Speaker 4It's kind kind of the
31:36Speaker 4It's It's
31:37Speaker 4know, with arthritis.
31:40Speaker 4Unfortunately, more cases now coming out with people injecting BPC or TB or copper peptide with diabetic retinopathy,
31:49Speaker 4that people go blind. I have 1 patient that actually went blind on 1 eye
31:54Speaker 4after not she's
31:56Speaker 4not my patient, it's a mother of my patient
31:59Speaker 4who,
32:00Speaker 4you know, decided to without talking
32:04Speaker 4to the doctor. And I always actually speak to patients and I ask them about their current conditions,
32:11Speaker 4if there was a malignancy ever, if there is any chronic conditions, and diabetic retinopathy
32:17Speaker 4is not good with angiogenesis.
32:19Speaker 4It promotes what BPC does, it can promote, but BPC promotes angiogenesis
32:24Speaker 4where it hurts.
32:27Speaker 4Diabetic retinopathy,
32:28Speaker 4it hurts there.
32:30Speaker 4If they take the cocktail of 3, that's going to be really not good.
32:35Speaker 4We cannot say that, cannot, I cannot say that, that yes, this is it, because we don't have research confirming my words. This
32:43Speaker 4is again another real world evidence where a patient's mother of a patient of mine decided to inject it for
32:51Speaker 4and went blind.
32:54Speaker 4Nobody can prove it was BPC and TB and copper just because the doctor,
32:59Speaker 4we
33:00Speaker 4can prove it, we can't because we don't have, but we do know what she's been on and what have changed
33:07Speaker 4in her regimen. What
33:09Speaker 1are you seeing out there in the good old social media world that we all live in mindlessly scrolling?
33:15Speaker 1Or is there anything that's driving you crazy that that's all through social media that when you see it, just want to scream? Like,
33:22Speaker 1Is there anything that's driving you crazy? Yes.
33:25Speaker 4You
33:27Speaker 4know, the glow skin, the glow, glow, glow skin,
33:31Speaker 4it cannot glow. And
33:34Speaker 4to be honest, for
33:35Speaker 4me,
33:37Speaker 4overhyped.
33:38Speaker 4It's really overhyped. And
33:41Speaker 4I have tried myself, and I've tried every peptide on the market, well, that were in category 1.
33:48Speaker 4Haven't tried any of the peptides that like PE-2228,
33:52Speaker 4the antidepressant that blocks the TRK-one channel in your brain and, you know, leads to ischemia. Do not try that peptide. You shouldn't.
34:03Speaker 4I think MOTS-3s overhyped. I think MOTS-3s will be
34:07Speaker 4beneficial
34:08Speaker 4with really obese type 2, type 1 diabetic,
34:12Speaker 4but not for younger population,
34:14Speaker 4because you already have MOTS-3s in you. You produce MOTS- if you're a dream rat, you produce enough MOTS-3.
34:21Speaker 1Interesting.
34:22Speaker 1So I was gonna ask you 1 of the questions if we got to it. Did you think that running SS-31and
34:27Speaker 1and together was good or SS-31first,
34:31Speaker 1then
34:32Speaker 4But it's absolutely So MOTS-3.1 acts on the So you're saying not MOTS-3.1? No. I mean, what does MOTS-3.1 do? MOTS-3.1
34:40Speaker 4not really give you healthy mitochondria. It reroutes the energy.
34:45Speaker 4It really we do not have evidence. Again, people who say,
34:49Speaker 4but mechanistically,
34:50Speaker 4I looked at every MOTS-3C study.
34:53Speaker 4Well,
34:54Speaker 4let's say every, like 80%, I would say, study that I've read about MOTS-3C.
34:59Speaker 4And I do not see where
35:02Speaker 4would it make your mitochondria or
35:05Speaker 4make more mitochondria. People say MOTS-3C will make more mitochondrion.
35:10Speaker 4How?
35:11Speaker 4Tell
35:12Speaker 4me how.
35:13Speaker 4If you say that, please tell me how from the scientific standpoint, from the molecular
35:19Speaker 4standpoint,
35:20Speaker 4how it can make more it can.
35:22Speaker 4Your mitochondria can make more MOTS-C, but MOTS-3C cannot make more mitochondria.
35:27Speaker 4Now SS-thirty 1, what does it do? It stabilizes
35:30Speaker 4cardiolipin,
35:31Speaker 4the membrane.
35:35Speaker 4Inside
35:36Speaker 4of cell there is a mitochondria,
35:38Speaker 4inside that mitochondria there is a phospholipid bilayer that's stabilized by cardiolipin.
35:43Speaker 4This is how ATP is produced.
35:45Speaker 4So SS-thirty 1 stabilizes the membrane,
35:50Speaker 4so the ATP production is more stable.
35:54Speaker 4It's a great peptide.
35:55Speaker 4I think SS-thirty 1 every
35:57Speaker 4person over 40 should
36:00Speaker 4try SS-thirty
36:01Speaker 41.
36:03Speaker 1Because
36:03Speaker 4I think it's
36:05Speaker 4going to be the longevity peptides,
36:07Speaker 4the anti aging peptides, it's going to be tirzepatide,
36:12Speaker 4SS-thirty
36:12Speaker 41, maybe something else, but
36:16Speaker 4for me those 2 are the main longevity
36:19Speaker 4peptides.
36:21Speaker 1Are you allowed to talk about dosages?
36:24Speaker 1Can you say the dosages you would recommend on No, no,
36:27Speaker 4SS-31let's
36:28Speaker 4look at the dosage. The dosage that we
36:33Speaker 4Barth syndrome, I think they inject him from 50 to 150
36:36Speaker 4mg, right, per dose.
36:38Speaker 4Now we have to extrapolate that into the regular person. How do we know how much to inject? 1 mg, 5 mg,
36:46Speaker 410 mg? I tried 1 mg, I tried 5 mg, I tried 15 mg, I tried 30. I felt the same. Felt no difference.
36:54Speaker 4But
36:56Speaker 4all the research that as a biologist,
37:00Speaker 4if you're healthy, well,
37:02Speaker 4you're not healthy, if you're over 40 and we do know that the aging process starts,
37:08Speaker 4your hormones go
37:10Speaker 4to walk,
37:11Speaker 4I think 5 to 10 mg daily
37:14Speaker 4for 3 months,
37:16Speaker 4you could entertain that.
37:17Speaker 4And I would also suggest do the blood work before and after. Look at your white blood cell, look at your red blood cell, look at your inflammatory markers,
37:26Speaker 4look at your
37:28Speaker 4protein and cholesterol and kidney, because
37:31Speaker 4SS-thirty 1 is now being studied for cardiac health, for kidney, renal health and
37:38Speaker 4with some eye disorder. Now the research is being done, so I believe, I think SS-thirty
37:44Speaker 41 is
37:45Speaker 4not overhyped, is a great peptide. We just
37:49Speaker 4we need to find out what are the exactly the dosage, what is it, because it's
37:54Speaker 4an expensive peptide.
37:56Speaker 4My cost is very high and
37:59Speaker 4the vial that I get from compounding pharmacy has
38:02Speaker 4300 mg, I believe, it's 50 mg/ml
38:06Speaker 4and you get 6 mg there.
38:09Speaker 4My patients inject between 5 and 10 mg.
38:12Speaker 4Some women do report that they feel more energy.
38:15Speaker 4Some people say they feel nothing.
38:18Speaker 450 percent of people is going to say it's going to do something, for other people 50% they say it's going
38:24Speaker 4to do nothing.
38:25Speaker 4But with MOTS-3C,
38:27Speaker 4I have now 2 people who went with anaphylactic shock after the reintroduction
38:32Speaker 4of MOTS-3C.
38:33Speaker 4So that's interesting.
38:34Speaker 4They should research. Why is that?
38:37Speaker 1Yeah, we're seeing that a lot with CJC.
38:41Speaker 1A lot of people have a huge, huge,
38:43Speaker 1terrible reactions with CJC. I mean, it's often
38:46Speaker 1enough to where it seems like it was a problem. Wow. That compound in particular. So
38:52Speaker 1that's awesome. I love hearing about that. Any other ones that you do not like that you think the internet is over hyping? Let's talk a few about a few more of those. So you think MOTS-1C is all hype. What else?
39:04Speaker 1I know people don't wanna hear this. IGF LR3.
39:08Speaker 1Okay. Think
39:10Speaker 1it's worthless? Why?
39:12Speaker 4Well,
39:12Speaker 4tell me, what's IGF LR3?
39:16Speaker 5It just it is
39:18Speaker 5the pure form, but not that long acting of your actual
39:22Speaker 4insulin like growth factor. It's very long acting. It's a longer
39:26Speaker 5acting than, yeah, the DES, but it's still not DAC.
39:31Speaker 5Long acting.
39:35Speaker 4Okay, why don't I like IGF-4L-three?
39:38Speaker 4Because IGF
39:39Speaker 4LR is complicated in tumor biology.
39:43Speaker 4So, add R3 there. And
39:46Speaker 4so if you prolong prolonging stimulation of your IGF-one receptors and remember your IGF-one receptors in the heart muscle too.
39:55Speaker 4So recent
39:58Speaker 4research, the less your IGF,
40:00Speaker 4well not yours but the mice, the longer they live. So now we have more and more emerging research stating that the lower IGF,
40:08Speaker 4the longer you will live.
40:11Speaker 1Interesting.
40:12Speaker 1Well, this is cool.
40:15Speaker 1What are some ones that you like? SS-thirty 1 you like? What was the other 1 that she was saying? Oh, was it BPC?
40:21Speaker 5Yeah, I guess tell me what the thoughts on NAD. I know that, and I guess here's, I do have a bigger question on like NAD.
40:28Speaker 5I know there's scientific research that says it shouldn't work injected, but like it works. It does work.
40:35Speaker 5My broader question is how come there are a lot of these peptides where there's a, there's a lot of scientific evidence,
40:42Speaker 5but it's not being accepted
40:44Speaker 5in The United States. And then there's some with not much evidence and they are being accepted in Thymosin Alpha, which is like 1 of our favorites, right? It's like, it's a patented, it's a drug you know, in 30 some countries. Why the heck does The United States not
41:00Speaker 1I allow
41:02Speaker 4don't understand the politics of medicine, honestly. I've never I don't. I was gonna ask you guys, maybe you knew. But again,
41:09Speaker 4for me, if that drug is accepted
41:12Speaker 4and works and approved in other countries, I would say it is safe to use.
41:19Speaker 1Right.
41:19Speaker 4So SS-3D
41:20Speaker 4Thymosin
41:21Speaker 4Alpha, Cmax,
41:23Speaker 4listen, Semax and Selank has been forever.
41:27Speaker 4People
41:27Speaker 4in Russia have been using it for decades.
41:32Speaker 4We love it too. People Do you like them? Do you notice those? I've tried it. I've never felt any, any, any effects really.
41:41Speaker 1So you specialize, 1 of the things you specialize in that I read was like longevity.
41:46Speaker 1So what would be a, what would be a stack that you would give somebody that is a healthy, let's say a 50 year old comes in and he's actually healthy. He's been exercising.
41:55Speaker 1He eats right. He's a he's a fit dude.
41:58Speaker 1What would be a stack that you would recommend? Push your limits, train with precision,
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42:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard. So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
42:31Speaker 6Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
42:33Speaker 2Want it that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. And for him to kind of extend
42:48Speaker 1his life or at least to help him.
42:52Speaker 4Well,
42:54Speaker 4testosterone would be there because if he is 40 something, his testosterone is already dropping, right? We don't have much 40 year olds
43:02Speaker 4with testosterone over 4
43:04Speaker 450. So I would say testosterone,
43:08Speaker 4SS-31If
43:13Speaker 4he does exercise a lot and he needs recovery,
43:16Speaker 4we would entertain BPC-one
43:17Speaker 4157 and TB-five 100. And
43:20Speaker 4I do not like to use more than 3 peptides just to affect, to see which 1 actually because
43:26Speaker 4people do I usually give 1 peptide and I say, take this,
43:31Speaker 4like I say, SS-31go
43:33Speaker 4and
43:33Speaker 4inject it for months, and then come back to and say if you felt anything.
43:38Speaker 4If you do feel anything, we can add, let's say, copper peptide.
43:43Speaker 4And then
43:44Speaker 4now you understand what is it that you're feeling,
43:47Speaker 4unfortunately online,
43:50Speaker 4selling stocks,
43:51Speaker 4but people don't know other people's physiology.
43:54Speaker 4You don't know what's what,
43:55Speaker 4you know,
43:57Speaker 4listen, stocks are okay,
43:59Speaker 4when people use those peptides
44:02Speaker 4independently
44:03Speaker 4on its own to see what
44:05Speaker 4they get.
44:07Speaker 4Now starch listen, of the
44:09Speaker 4if you look at BPC-157,
44:11Speaker 4the research on mice, what is the average dosages that we give to mice?
44:17Speaker 4From 2 50 to 500 micrograms, we give the same dosage, 500 micrograms
44:21Speaker 4to a man. How is that
44:23Speaker 4normal? How do we translate mice biology to humans? We can do that.
44:29Speaker 4So we can't do that. And I have
44:33Speaker 4a guy who was I'm not going tell him, he's in Canada.
44:38Speaker 4His lab got
44:40Speaker 4I think they closed his lab, but
44:43Speaker 4he was injecting
44:44Speaker 4intravenously
44:45Speaker 4BPC
44:46Speaker 4once a week, the whole vial of 15 mg.
44:50Speaker 4Wow. 3 or 4 years ago, he would come to me
44:53Speaker 4and he would like, Oh, I'm injecting that. And I was like, Woah. And then he's like did you read the research? And I'm like no, let me And then I'm reading the research and damn, the mice would get 500
45:04Speaker 4and now we're recommending people 500.
45:08Speaker 4And is it a placebo effect? No, because we do I do see people with some tendon injury.
45:15Speaker 4Of course, if you have full tendon tear, BPC is not going to connect the dots. But if you have partial tear,
45:21Speaker 4you can see that it
45:23Speaker 4helps
45:24Speaker 4to
45:26Speaker 4to recover without
45:30Speaker 4using and I have tried on many athletes
45:33Speaker 4just BPC,
45:35Speaker 4without steroid injections,
45:37Speaker 4without any manipulations with stem cells, just BPC,
45:41Speaker 4just to see whether the ankle will heal faster.
45:44Speaker 4With BPC than ibuprofen,
45:46Speaker 4BPC heals it faster.
45:48Speaker 4I mean, is your real world evidence.
45:52Speaker 4Absolutely. But the dosages,
45:54Speaker 4that's what
45:55Speaker 4I'm still confused on the dosages, even though we do have those dosages from compounding pharmacies that they do have recommended
46:02Speaker 4500 mcgs.
46:04Speaker 4How long can you inject it for? Nobody else knows, but we come up with our own protocols.
46:11Speaker 5Are you allowed to tell us what do what
46:14Speaker 5do you give somebody if somebody's got a pro
46:17Speaker 1athlete? Like let's say he tears
46:19Speaker 1a shoulder, not like, like horrible, but
46:22Speaker 4you think
46:23Speaker 4pro athlete is very knowledgeable. I don't need to tell him what to inject. He comes to me and he tells me, listen, this is what I need actually.
46:31Speaker 4You're a pro athlete,
46:32Speaker 4you have a team of consultants
46:35Speaker 4And they come to me and they say, Listen, I need these 3. I need copper, BPC and TB. I either get it from you or I'll get it from a guy in my team.
46:43Speaker 4I go,
46:44Speaker 4I'm sure you'll get it from me. So those What 3 are you starting with?
46:49Speaker 4How much?
46:50Speaker 4How much? I don't know how much of BPC or how much of the yeah, how much of the millage pretty easily start people with. I say the recommended dosages is 500 mcgs.
47:00Speaker 4Whatever they do, they do. Recommended
47:02Speaker 4dosages of copper peptide is 1 to 2 mg, but nobody can tolerate it higher. With that I don't have problems with the copper peptide. But BPC and TB,
47:12Speaker 4we really don't. You know, I injected myself once,
47:15Speaker 40.5 of our intramuscular 7 mg of each just to see what's gonna happen.
47:20Speaker 1Nothing happened. Wow. JD, tell her how much you did. So I had a back surgery, when was that, Will, a year ago? Don't remember. Was a year ago, but anyways,
47:30Speaker 1don't know. Do you know who Paul Bacciar?
47:32Speaker 1No. He's a good friend of ours. He speaks a lot of the conferences and whatnot, but anyways, he's a good friend of ours and a guy I respect heavily.
47:40Speaker 1So he saw, was posting, I was in the hospital, blah, blah, blah. And then I got out and he calls me and says, I want to put you on protocol. I put a lot of my pro athletes on,
47:50Speaker 1at a microdiscectomy.
47:52Speaker 1Said, okay, cool. And it was, 3 bottles of 10 mg,
47:56Speaker 1TB-five hundred and BPC. So the blend,
47:59Speaker 1so 3 bottles in the morning, 30 megs, 2 bottles a night, then 20 megs. 15 megs that day. And then the 2nd day was 2 bottles. So 20 megs, 20 megs, 3rd day, 20 megs,
48:10Speaker 110 megs,
48:11Speaker 110 megs, 10 megs. So 5 days of just saturation.
48:15Speaker 1I was like, wow, that's a lot. I was going to take a lot anyway, but like, that's a lot. And luckily I, you know, I can get it and, it
48:22Speaker 1worked amazingly.
48:24Speaker 1I mean, I healed so fast that the surgeons like, wow,
48:27Speaker 1like, wow, you healed quickly. Now he's a guy that, you know, knows peptides and whatnot, not as much as you, you know?
48:34Speaker 1But he was amazed,
48:36Speaker 1you know? And, I was in the gym 2 weeks later. Now it was a microdiscectomy
48:40Speaker 1and you know, you heal fairly quickly from a microsecond to me, but I was in the gym 2 weeks later and felt amazing.
48:46Speaker 1It's crazy how fast that stuff works. I love it.
48:49Speaker 4But also what I've noticed with peptides, the older you are, the less they work. I have
48:54Speaker 4patients 50 and over who
48:57Speaker 4tried BPC for their
49:00Speaker 4shoulder problems with
49:03Speaker 4rotator
49:04Speaker 4cuff tears, and nothing healed, nothing.
49:08Speaker 4For 6 months they've injected BPC and TB, and I have few of those patients who then got very disappointed
49:15Speaker 4with peptides.
49:16Speaker 4I think it also depends on your age,
49:19Speaker 4depends on
49:21Speaker 4if you're healthy.
49:22Speaker 4If you're healthy enough,
49:25Speaker 4so not sure, but see, we have no vision. We don't have much. We do have people. I know people, you know people, we know lots of people, but we don't really dissect those people. We didn't do the blood work, we didn't
49:37Speaker 4study, and
49:39Speaker 4I wish we'd had that research, but we won't, and we know that we won't.
49:43Speaker 4Unless someone like you,
49:45Speaker 4you win the lottery and you decide to open your own scientific
49:50Speaker 4laboratory
49:51Speaker 4where you can conduct studies and invite me, I'll be
49:56Speaker 4the
49:57Speaker 4lab
49:59Speaker 1person You're helping hired.
50:01Speaker 1We,
50:02Speaker 1I would imagine though, being able to somewhat do your own research by just seeing people and how they heal. It's probably amazing. Like I can
50:10Speaker 1tell you love it. Isn't that cool? Because
50:13Speaker 1we get to see people heal themselves with these things. And you know again we've already talked about Western medicine but these things are actually helping
50:21Speaker 1people because we see it, you know, we see
50:25Speaker 1mid expediting injuries and whatnot. It's so awesome. But also we do need MRI studies prior
50:31Speaker 4and
50:32Speaker 4during the treatment and after the treatment. But my patient
50:35Speaker 4not patients
50:37Speaker 4don't want to spend money, because
50:40Speaker 4I have invited, I wanted to do my just a case study at my clinic. And I said,
50:47Speaker 4have again, told the patient, listen, I'm going give you medication for free, but you have to pay for MRI. I want you to do the MRI now,
50:55Speaker 4then in a month, then in 2 months, so you'll be on BPC for 6 months, let's say, and they had the partial tear, they refused, they don't want to spend money on MRI. That would be so cool. Yes, and I encourage people to do those studies because you can submit those studies
51:11Speaker 4to scientific
51:13Speaker 4journals.
51:15Speaker 1It's awesome.
51:16Speaker 1Oh man, I would imagine, hopefully there's going to be more and more and more people like you that are starting to do that because there's, you know, people that are in this world that we all, we all swim in.
51:26Speaker 11 thing that I love about it is that everybody's really sticking together, you know, just through the podcast and just, you know, just how things work, law of attraction, so to speak. We've just been able to meet a lot of people, you know, that are in this world and they all stick together, man. They all, they all helped each other. That's a passion
51:44Speaker 1to help people get healthy and fix the world rather than, you know, where we were coming from, which we've already discussed. We'll leave it there.
51:53Speaker 1And it's awesome. I love seeing it. You know, I hope that,
51:56Speaker 1I hope that you just being on here, there's some doctors that see, and that lights the fire and then to do the same, you know, like Western medicine's outdated to a degree. Listen, you break your arm. That's great. Go get some good, go get it like fixed.
52:09Speaker 1Like, you know, it's time to look at different stuff and unfortunately they don't have the studies. Let's do them.
52:17Speaker 1Let's someone's got to do them. You know, your doctor, let's do it. Like, I'd love it. I love that you're leading the way in this.
52:24Speaker 1Yeah, man, that is so awesome.
52:27Speaker 5I'd like to state that and get your opinion. Cause I think I know where you stand though. We talk about all the time that like, Hey, peptides are great people, but like they're an optimization
52:37Speaker 5tool.
52:39Speaker 5The foundation is
52:41Speaker 5you actually exercising
52:42Speaker 5and eating right.
52:44Speaker 5And then you get to start seeing some magic happen, but
52:48Speaker 5these are not for you to sit on the couch and do nothing, change nothing and just take a drug.
52:55Speaker 4Thoughts on that? Do you agree with us? Absolutely. What's the most important thing? Most important thing is the muscle. Muscle is the foundation. It's the future. It's your investment
53:04Speaker 4in your future. Totally. When you're 60, 70, and 80, muscle is what's going to help you to go do your groceries without help, to get up, get off that couch, to do the dishes, to wash the floors, to go walk with your dog. That's muscle.
53:18Speaker 4Muscle is the most important thing, I cannot stress that enough. And for my women, for the listeners,
53:24Speaker 4menopausal,
53:25Speaker 4postmenopausal women,
53:27Speaker 4estrogen is great. Absolutely, it protects your bones, but muscle will protect your bones even further.
53:33Speaker 4Estrogen
53:35Speaker 4should be optimized, absolutely, but you have to get up,
53:38Speaker 4get up and you have to go to the gym and you have to lift, have to do resistance training at least,
53:44Speaker 4you know, twice a week, at least twice a week. Want you to lift weight.
53:48Speaker 4You have to lift that weight.
53:50Speaker 4You know, those buttless women who inject them to,
53:54Speaker 4you know, drive
53:55Speaker 4Bentleys and barely walking and, you know, spend lots of time walking around the mall, that's not exercise.
54:03Speaker 4When
54:04Speaker 4my 55
54:05Speaker 4year old woman say, I do
54:07Speaker 4exercise, I walk 10,000 steps a day, I'm like, no,
54:11Speaker 4no, you have to break that muscle apart. You have to break that and make it and your body will heal and create hypertrophy
54:18Speaker 4and
54:19Speaker 4your bones will thank you later. This is an investment for your future. And if you're fat,
54:24Speaker 4if you're overweight and I'm sorry, you know, I cannot this is now
54:28Speaker 4people being persecuted for calling
54:31Speaker 4people fat. But
54:33Speaker 4adipose tissue is another endocrine organ that is so pro inflammatory.
54:37Speaker 4If you put peptides into that and you feel nothing, of course, you're going to feel nothing because your body is busy
54:44Speaker 4bringing down the inflammation from the adipose tissue, then going and responding to the signals. Peptides are signals that your body have to respond to. But if you have a bunch of inflammation, if you're sick, if you're overweight and you don't take care of your health, peptides are not magic.
54:59Speaker 4It's not a miracle. It's not magic. It's
55:02Speaker 4supposed to help you,
55:04Speaker 4but you have to help yourself Yeah,
55:07Speaker 1I mean,
55:09Speaker 1you know, for like
55:11Speaker 1the GOPs, at least if it's somebody that's overweight and they have that no motivation and if at least that works really quickly. So if that can get the damn
55:19Speaker 1snowball spinning downhill to get them off the couch,
55:22Speaker 1We, we celebrate it, you know, but again, we always say these are not, these are not supposed to be taken to perpetuity, man. Like this is, this is, we want to
55:30Speaker 1build the base, not the 3rd Floor.
55:33Speaker 1Everybody wants to build 0.333 floor, take an injection and then that's all they're doing and they're losing weight, but you've got to build that muscle.
55:41Speaker 1And you 2 ladies, she just said it now you got the doctor that just said that we preach it every, on every episode
55:47Speaker 1that resistance training is a must for everybody.
55:50Speaker 4If you are the guilty 1.
55:53Speaker 1Yeah. I mean, you just gotta, I mean, you don't even have to lick, to the gym, which you can do the bands. You can do bands at home. I mean, there's so many creative ways to do it,
56:03Speaker 1but do it for the love of God, do it, you know, cut out the seed oils.
56:08Speaker 1It's just, I love that the, that
56:11Speaker 1there is a movement of most people are starting to seek different and
56:16Speaker 1I love that.
56:18Speaker 1You know, whether it be the COVID era that sparked
56:21Speaker 1that flame in people, it doesn't even matter. It's here and people are seeking other things. And I just love that you are leading
56:30Speaker 1the path.
56:31Speaker 5So speaking of muscle, what do you believe in dosage? So protein, amount of grams of protein, a woman versus a man
56:39Speaker 5should be taking per meal to
56:41Speaker 5build the max amount of muscle. What do you think a man or woman can actually handle? Have you looked into that? Well, there's
56:48Speaker 4a lot of studies that contradict each other. Some studies said you have to
56:52Speaker 4take 1 g per pound away, the others say don't. So you have to find your holy grail,
56:59Speaker 4you know, if you can if you're a woman and you can, you can, because
57:03Speaker 4not everybody can eat that much, you know. I, for example,
57:07Speaker 4probably I eat a gram per
57:10Speaker 4pound and I'm, what, 130?
57:12Speaker 4Probably I do eat that 3 times, yes. If I cannot eat dinner, I drink my protein shake. If you cannot meet
57:20Speaker 4your protein requirement
57:22Speaker 4by chewing your food, you should at least drink it.
57:26Speaker 4A 100 gram probably for a woman should be at
57:29Speaker 4least, at least.
57:31Speaker 1Yeah,
57:32Speaker 1for sure. Right when you wake up too.
57:34Speaker 4Breakfast
57:35Speaker 4is the most important meal of the day.
57:40Speaker 1Do you, let's talk about that for a 2nd. So I know I'm big on fasting.
57:44Speaker 1Do you know, have you studied any fasting at all? Are you
57:49Speaker 1knowledgeable on that? You, because I know women and men, it's very different for women and men.
57:55Speaker 1I love it. I mean, 16 hours give or take, you're going to be autophagy
57:59Speaker 1it's 40 hours 8.
58:02Speaker 1Just starts
58:03Speaker 1and then about 20 hours, it really starts to rev and then 36 it's Gruen Lubin. And I fell in love with it
58:11Speaker 1maybe 8 to 10 years ago.
58:13Speaker 1I've just, you know, hit 1 of those walls and I was trying to figure it out. I was all pudgy and I couldn't figure it out. So I started reading about fasting and I did it for,
58:21Speaker 1to try to lose weight, but then I fell in love with it because I was running a mortgage company at that time and I was just on fire. I was just like focused and it's just amazing. So those are some of the tools that we speak of a lot too, to help people, you know, even doing 1 72 hour
58:36Speaker 1fast 0.25 can just greatly
58:39Speaker 1decrease the chance that you're going to get cancer. Dead cells dying off are falling off and brand new ones take their place.
58:47Speaker 4How can you lose, you know? I do fast once a month, whole Sunday. So once Sunday a month, we don't eat anything with my body.
58:55Speaker 4I do believe the fasting is good for detox,
58:58Speaker 4not again,
59:02Speaker 4you are what you eat,
59:03Speaker 4it depends what you eat, you know, if someone
59:07Speaker 4who eats only healthy and cooks at home, do they need fasting? Maybe they should try and see how they feel, but for me personally,
59:15Speaker 4I do feel the difference. I do feel more clarity,
59:19Speaker 4definitely less bloated.
59:22Speaker 4Even probably better vision when I fast.
59:26Speaker 1Yeah, super focused. Your gut, like, because
59:30Speaker 1I know you're heavily into gut
59:32Speaker 1stuff because
59:33Speaker 1guts, gut people are the 1 of the biggest problems, you know, from, you know, at least my digging into this,
59:39Speaker 1is just everybody's got the autoimmune problems are really stemming from the guts. You know, lot of the antibiotics have really triggered
59:46Speaker 1leaky gut and things like that. I mean, I mean, think about all everybody, you know, a lot of people have, autoimmune
59:53Speaker 1issues. Do
59:55Speaker 1you feel like, do you feel that
59:59Speaker 1like a certain
1:00:00Speaker 1protocol
1:00:01Speaker 1of peptides can rectify some of that stuff like
1:00:05Speaker 1Thymosin Alpha to LL-thirty 7 VIP,
1:00:09Speaker 1like done properly in order. Do you think that can heal
1:00:13Speaker 1or greatly
1:00:14Speaker 1improve like a leaky gut type situation?
1:00:17Speaker 4Well,
1:00:19Speaker 4I have tried on my patient with IBS,
1:00:21Speaker 4PPC capsules,
1:00:23Speaker 4with KPV capsules, with VIP
1:00:25Speaker 4nasal spray, but VIP,
1:00:28Speaker 4I can tell you that VIP,
1:00:29Speaker 4those people with kidney failure should entertain VIP. I have 2 patients whose kidney function that eGFR number on your blood work that says eGFR,
1:00:40Speaker 4it was, I think his was about 30, so he was on the 2nd stage of kidney failure And VIP nasal spray brought it up to 60 in
1:00:50Speaker 43
1:00:51Speaker 4months, I believe, 3 months. He still
1:00:54Speaker 4orders
1:00:55Speaker 4from me the nasal spray 2 to 3 times a year.
1:00:59Speaker 4And that's also great for his kidneys.
1:01:03Speaker 4What I see with gut,
1:01:06Speaker 4Tirzepatide
1:01:07Speaker 4does the magic,
1:01:09Speaker 4you know,
1:01:11Speaker 4for some with IBS,
1:01:12Speaker 4with Crohn's,
1:01:14Speaker 4with
1:01:15Speaker 4BPC- not everybody responds to BPC capsules. I have a patient with Crohn's. I gave him BPC and KPV and 3 days into the capsules, he was hospitalized with heavy bleeding.
1:01:27Speaker 1Oh, wow.
1:01:29Speaker 4So not sure. Everybody's
1:01:30Speaker 1really different. So you think that your appetite is gonna be the
1:01:34Speaker 4golden ticket.
1:01:35Speaker 4Is it because people stop eating shit?
1:01:38Speaker 4Is it, but again, people drink alcohol,
1:01:41Speaker 4people smoke, people eat shit all the time. You know, we talk about God and we talk about how we're gonna cure God, but don't we need to talk about lifestyle.
1:01:50Speaker 4Lifestyle is what contributes to
1:01:52Speaker 1shitty God. It's so important what you said in regards to supplements,
1:01:58Speaker 1peptides,
1:02:00Speaker 1these things are amazing, but you have to,
1:02:03Speaker 1you have to eat right. You have to work out. You have to be hormonally optimized when you get these things in line. And it's going take some time to get some of these things in line for some people, when you take them online, peptides are going to work great, most of them, right? But you gotta be hormonally optimized and you gotta do your part, which is lift some weights and stop beating, as you said, and I agree, shit food,
1:02:24Speaker 1Put it down, put that cake down, you'll need it.
1:02:27Speaker 4But
1:02:28Speaker 4also people, lots of people have
1:02:31Speaker 4psychosomatic
1:02:33Speaker 4issues with the gut, because they are depressed,
1:02:36Speaker 4because they're not happy with their life, and your gut is the 2nd brain. If you look at the neurophysiology,
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1:03:16Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay. Big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
1:03:23Speaker 3So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
1:03:31Speaker 6Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
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1:03:49Speaker 4But there's some research on psilocybin and gut issues, you know, psilocybin can cure well, can cure I cannot say cure anything because no, but
1:03:59Speaker 4psilocybin
1:04:00Speaker 4can aid in some
1:04:05Speaker 4gut problems
1:04:07Speaker 41st of all- Psychedelic mushrooms. Yes, psychedelics. Yes,
1:04:11Speaker 4psychedelics. I have tried all kinds of psychedelics.
1:04:14Speaker 4This is a different podcast. You can interview me. Tried everything and I You're used good. So we got you.
1:04:21Speaker 4So,
1:04:22Speaker 4and you
1:04:24Speaker 4know,
1:04:25Speaker 4mental health does a lot thing with your gut. Mental health plays
1:04:30Speaker 4a huge role in your aches and pains.
1:04:33Speaker 4If you're not happy, your body will respond with pain. You're not happy, I've seen I had patients without the immune disease. I had patients with
1:04:44Speaker 41 of my patients with
1:04:46Speaker 4severe Crohn's disease.
1:04:49Speaker 4So he went to
1:04:50Speaker 4Mexico, I think it was Mexico, that he did Ayahuasca and then he smoked the frog,
1:04:56Speaker 4and he came back and he's still in remission. It's been 2 months, 2 years, it's been 2 years.
1:05:02Speaker 4Not a 1 single flare up. He's happy. So
1:05:06Speaker 4what do psychedelics do
1:05:09Speaker 4from the scientific standpoint?
1:05:11Speaker 4They reset your neuron,
1:05:13Speaker 4the neural
1:05:15Speaker 4network. So basically they reset your brain. So what you thought of things
1:05:20Speaker 4after psychedelics, you no longer think of those things. Psychedelics also help you to see the broader picture.
1:05:28Speaker 4Psychedelics help you to see outside the box.
1:05:31Speaker 4I'm a huge proponent of psychedelics.
1:05:33Speaker 4I think psychedelics is the future of peptides. Psychedelics, hormones are the future of medicine.
1:05:39Speaker 5I love it. No, I think it's great. While we're talking about that, what about ketamine? What's your thought on that, on the ketamine microdosing?
1:05:45Speaker 4No, no, no. From the brain
1:05:48Speaker 4standpoint, not ketamine.
1:05:50Speaker 4Ketamine, it's a- it was- it's not, we can call it really, can we call it psychedelic? Not really, because it's really No, not no. But
1:05:58Speaker 4if someone, because with ketamine you can never have a bad trip because it's controlled with psychedelics,
1:06:04Speaker 1you will have a bad trip. I know, I have a buddy that, that that was saying what you were saying. He's a guy that, Will and I are both sober. We've been sober a long time. So we've done a lot of, at least I've done a lot of psychedelics myself.
1:06:16Speaker 1You know, well, but, anyways, he was, he was a guy that really struggled. He kind of went in and out a lot. I ran into him recently. He was telling me about this psychedelic thing. He went to Mexico as well, did Ayahuasca
1:06:27Speaker 1and the frog thing and all that.
1:06:30Speaker 1The way that he was explaining it, like he was just like a hill dude. Like I had never seen him talk like that. He's usually angry and just
1:06:40Speaker 1here he comes, you know, kind of 1 of those guys. Man, here we go. You know, but like, he was just like, I was like, wow bro. Like
1:06:47Speaker 1he was, he seemed healed and like you worked for him, man. So I love anything that's outside of the box. I think that we're not supposed to be in any box. Yep. I think we should always keep our minds open
1:06:58Speaker 1for anything, you know? I mean, because I think that like, again, that's rad that the world's going there, whether it be psychedelics or
1:07:05Speaker 1whatever,
1:07:06Speaker 1if you think that that's going to work for you, everybody's so radically different.
1:07:10Speaker 1Have to try some things
1:07:13Speaker 1to see what is good for you because even 1 dose of BPC for me might not work for this big dude right here. You know what I mean? And,
1:07:21Speaker 1that's what at least people are doing with peptides.
1:07:25Speaker 1Doctor. K, I knew I was going to enjoy this hour always goes so darn fast.
1:07:30Speaker 1I hope that, we get to have you here 1 day. That would be awesome. We've had a lot of people that come start
1:07:37Speaker 1on the internet and then they come in and it's always a pleasure to get to sit with you because we could go for hours on just talking with you. I love what you're doing. I know I've said that, but I really am so, so glad to see
1:07:50Speaker 1doctors
1:07:51Speaker 1leading the way in a different
1:07:54Speaker 1way of life for people. You know what I mean? It's so needed.
1:07:58Speaker 1The world's like you said, it is, let's just be honest. It's fat, it's overweight. It's just, they've given up on themselves. So we need people that are leading the way that are actually doctors who people will trust even like more than us because we just, we try this ourselves.
1:08:14Speaker 1You will do the studies and whatnot. So it's an absolute pleasure.
1:08:18Speaker 4Thank you so much for having me.
1:08:20Speaker 5We leave, I have 3 pages full of questions, but I will not ask those. Have 1 more question. We
1:08:26Speaker 4can continue. I have another Twitter meeting. Yeah, we're in no rush, man.
1:08:30Speaker 5Fertility.
1:08:31Speaker 5Yeah. So unique to me, this is maybe a selfish question. So,
1:08:36Speaker 5I am
1:08:37Speaker 5My fiance and I are trying to have a baby. I haven't done any testosterone in a month now.
1:08:45Speaker 5And I've been running testosterone for too many years. I'm 41 now. I think I started at like 32. So that's why I like weaned down, but I'm now, but I'm also like, do you do any fertility protocols? And do you, what would you suggest? I'm taking some, I mean, I'm, here's what I'm taking is, well, no tests. And clomiphene, like 25 mg a day.
1:09:06Speaker 5HCG,
1:09:08Speaker 5I don't know. I go up and dab at maybe like 1500 IUs 3 times a week.
1:09:13Speaker 1HMG,
1:09:15Speaker 5Let's see if those come in 70 25
1:09:17Speaker 4IUs of HMG 3 days a week. What's HMG? Oh, yes, it's human. It's similar to HCG. Yes.
1:09:25Speaker 5Human
1:09:26Speaker 5menopausal
1:09:27Speaker 5Right. Gonadotropin
1:09:28Speaker 5or
1:09:29Speaker 4So you're trying to wake your balls up, but it's only been a month for testosterone, so it's going to take about 3 months
1:09:36Speaker 4for your balls to actually start functioning. And then you do,
1:09:40Speaker 4you check the sperm, whether the motility is adequate, everything's fine. But I think it's too much of things you do, will start converting, your estrogen will go up, and with up estrogen is that a good quality sperm. I think you should do 12.5 mg of Enclomiphene since you're already on HCG
1:09:58Speaker 4and the other 1. But
1:10:00Speaker 4also do the blood work, look at your estrogen. If estrogen is too high, it's also not a good thing for conception. Concept yeah, that's the word, conception. Yes. Yeah.
1:10:09Speaker 4And
1:10:10Speaker 4your wife, how's her estrogen and progesterone?
1:10:14Speaker 5Not sure.
1:10:17Speaker 5Need to get her checked too.
1:10:19Speaker 5I don't really know. I don't know. I don't know. We have not got her. So again, like we've only been like saying, Hey, let's, okay, let's, let's try for like 3 weeks now. I knew that we wanted to, and now we're serious about it. So, but yeah, we might as well both
1:10:32Speaker 5go get checked.
1:10:34Speaker 4But again, you've been on testosterone for so long. It's going to take about 3 months on average. That's what I see in my practice for your balls to be awakened and start producing your own testosterone.
1:10:46Speaker 4And because testosterone,
1:10:47Speaker 4the sperm that you have right now stored,
1:10:50Speaker 4it is not because of the testosterone.
1:10:53Speaker 4So it's gonna take
1:10:55Speaker 4it's gonna take average is 3 months.
1:10:57Speaker 5Okay, that's cool. I can do it. Well, I'm also taking, still taking, I'm taking like, I don't know, 1 IU of HGH because I've had conflicting advice from doctors. Some have told me don't take any HGH
1:11:10Speaker 4and then some have said, yes, you should. Do have research that HGH helps the spermatogenesis,
1:11:17Speaker 4definitely. But we have to also remember when you do take HGH, it means it's exogenous. It means your pituitary will shut down. So you will have to do some cycling. Maybe do HGH and then Tesamorelin or Ipamorelin or whatever Rallying you like,
1:11:33Speaker 4because but not for long also stimulating too long your pituitary also can desensitize
1:11:40Speaker 4the receptors.
1:11:41Speaker 4For example, I do Tesamorelin every other day, but again,
1:11:46Speaker 4more and more research coming out with
1:11:49Speaker 4high IGF-one
1:11:50Speaker 4and aging,
1:11:52Speaker 4you know, now is GH good? Maybe not long term,
1:11:57Speaker 4maybe if you do wanna try,
1:11:59Speaker 4if you have some injuries and you want GH, but I like Tesamorelin because it's mild stimulation of your pituitary and it also helps on your liver too, if you have fatty liver disease, Tesamorelin is supposed to get the fat out. Now, Reta will get your fat out of the liver in no time, of course. That's the main job of Reta.
1:12:21Speaker 4So someone with
1:12:23Speaker 4fatty liver disease will definitely benefit from Reta.
1:12:26Speaker 4But I like Tesamorelin
1:12:28Speaker 4in not
1:12:30Speaker 4all the time,
1:12:31Speaker 4sporadically.
1:12:33Speaker 4How
1:12:34Speaker 5about this 1? The women ask us all the time, like, what is my what's a protocol for perimenopause?
1:12:40Speaker 4Well, perimenopause,
1:12:42Speaker 4you still have estrogen. So in perimenopause,
1:12:44Speaker 4what's happening, your progesterone starts going down with testosterone.
1:12:49Speaker 4So in perimenopause,
1:12:50Speaker 4we're not going to give you estrogen unless you have symptoms of hot flashes. Most women don't. So we're going to replace progesterone with testosterone and we'll monitor you.
1:13:01Speaker 5Okay.
1:13:02Speaker 4Peptides? Do peptides fall into there? Of course, Tesamorelin. I would say, I would definitely
1:13:09Speaker 4ask women to entertain Tesamorelin if she is perimenopausal
1:13:12Speaker 4because of cholesterol,
1:13:14Speaker 4because your liver starts to make more cholesterol, because the hormones are failing, so Tesamorelin should help to redistribute
1:13:23Speaker 4the fat. And when estrogen falls,
1:13:26Speaker 4fat moves from
1:13:28Speaker 4subcutaneous to the organs.
1:13:31Speaker 4So when before you had little fat here, little fat there, estrogen goes down, your fat going
1:13:37Speaker 4inside the organs. So that's bad.
1:13:39Speaker 5Yeah, that's bad. Okay, that's cool. And then finally, we try to ask every guest, like, are you taking for peptides that you can tell us right now? Do you mind telling us like,
1:13:49Speaker 4are you taking right On record, I can tell you people on record what I take. I take SS-31.
1:13:54Speaker 4Daily,
1:13:55Speaker 45 to 10 mg.
1:13:58Speaker 4Take Tesamorelin
1:13:59Speaker 4Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
1:14:04Speaker 4Started
1:14:06Speaker 4to inject
1:14:07Speaker 4nicotinamide
1:14:08Speaker 4ribosome NR subcutaneously
1:14:10Speaker 4instead of NAD,
1:14:12Speaker 4because NAD
1:14:14Speaker 4works
1:14:15Speaker 4in,
1:14:16Speaker 4yes, in my case,
1:14:18Speaker 4IVs especially. If someone
1:14:20Speaker 4we detox, I detox alcohol with an HIV, even though we have no studies, we have no research proving, but it works, and I see this in my practice. A Russian man who drinks for weeks and then they come in and we do daily infusion with 100 and with 500 to 750
1:14:37Speaker 4mg of NAD for 3 days, they stop drinking.
1:14:41Speaker 4They have Wow. I mean, it's incredible what it does.
1:14:45Speaker 4Really they hate alcohol after that. So this is my protocol for
1:14:50Speaker 4addictions with alcohol especially, because they get so nauseous. They see they look at VAC and they think of probably NAD, how bad it was for them.
1:14:59Speaker 4But
1:15:00Speaker 4now, from the molecular
1:15:02Speaker 4standpoint, if you look at NAD, it's a large molecule, right? It's a coenzyme.
1:15:06Speaker 4In order for NAD to enter the cell, it has to be broken down into NR and NMN,
1:15:12Speaker 4in an extracellular
1:15:13Speaker 4matrix.
1:15:14Speaker 4And then you have an enzyme that comes in, takes NR, take NMN,
1:15:20Speaker 4bring it into the cell and now converts it back to NAD plus So then why not inject NR?
1:15:26Speaker 4So you're gonna
1:15:28Speaker 4do, your body will need to do less work. So if with NR it's taken up by the cells immediately
1:15:36Speaker 4and converts to NAD plus Well, it's again, it's a theoretical thing. So this is a theory, but very valid theory because we do know the mechanisms.
1:15:48Speaker 5Well, then why not just take
1:15:50Speaker 4NAD plus Then your body doesn't have to do anything. No, it does. If you take NAD plus your body have to convert it to NR and NMN and then take it into the and Yes, convert it
1:16:01Speaker 4it's a process and some people will lack that enzyme, not everybody will have that enzyme.
1:16:07Speaker 4So their enzyme may be very inefficient.
1:16:10Speaker 4That's why some people have no effect on NAD, some people have great effect with NAD,
1:16:16Speaker 4lots of energy.
1:16:19Speaker 4Again, for me, NR,
1:16:21Speaker 4I feel NR intravenously,
1:16:24Speaker 4next day more energy than with NAD infusion for myself.
1:16:29Speaker 1That's
1:16:30Speaker 5cool. That's cool. I had read that like early
1:16:33Speaker 5on there was in, I think, London,
1:16:36Speaker 5there was a clinic using NAD
1:16:39Speaker 5to, you know, cure chronic alcoholics,
1:16:42Speaker 5cure their livers,
1:16:44Speaker 5and they were going in with jaundice and then coming out good. Then the authorities
1:16:48Speaker 5shut it down because And
1:16:51Speaker 4I believe that it really detoxes you. Benzos
1:16:56Speaker 4we, we've asked, we did it even with marijuana,
1:17:00Speaker 4you pee, you know, it, weed stays inside of you for a long time. And
1:17:06Speaker 4we have a patient who peed in the cup, got tested positive because he just I mean, he smokes daily and he needed to do
1:17:14Speaker 4some testing. And so for the whole week, did NAD infusions. In a week, he was clear. In a week, I mean, days, not 7, even 5 days of 500 mg daily.
1:17:24Speaker 4And the 6 days he peed in a cup and he's like, Doc,
1:17:27Speaker 4I'm good to go. Wow.
1:17:29Speaker 5Wow.
1:17:30Speaker 5A lot of kids, the good thing little kids aren't listening to this. They just got some ideas.
1:17:35Speaker 5I'm
1:17:36Speaker 5a partner in a couple,
1:17:38Speaker 5in a couple, drug and alcohol rehabs. Like did he said, like we've been sober for a long time because we abused
1:17:45Speaker 5every single bit of drug and alcohol there is and both went through all this. That's, that's close
1:17:51Speaker 4to our heart. Yeah. Am sober too. I have, I have, I don't drink. Good for you. Okay. Congratulations.
1:17:57Speaker 5It's a yeah. Good for you. It's a way better life.
1:18:01Speaker 5Much better life. All
1:18:03Speaker 1right.
1:18:04Speaker 5I'll
1:18:05Speaker 5stop. We'll
1:18:07Speaker 1let you go. We appreciate your time. It has been natural. I knew I was gonna love it. It's, it's, I've been watching all the stuff you've been posting. I love it. It's been a great meeting you again and hopefully we meet you soon. Absolutely. I really, really enjoyed this talk. Thank you so much. Right. Doctor. J, we'll talk to you soon. Bye Bless you to see bye, guys. Take care. Thank you for joining us for the pep time of the week. We'll catch you next time. Later.