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1:09Speaker 1Welcome back to the pep time of the week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham Across the way, my buddy, my pal, my business partner, friend,
1:30Speaker 1She is all over the darn internet right now. So if you're in the world of peptides or hormone replacement
1:40Speaker 4Doctor. K, how are you? Great. And I'm so happy to be here with you guys. Well, not here, but virtually.
1:50Speaker 1Me too, me too. I've been seeing your stuff everywhere and I just, love the education that you're dropping out there. It's been so
2:01Speaker 1Let's find some. Where are they at? I love that you are, it's just so refreshing to see some of the stuff that you're putting out there. And that's obviously why you're growing probably really quickly. Thank you. Where
2:32Speaker 5Credential yourself or I just don't really care about I don't care about credentialing. And
2:54Speaker 1Okay, cool. Out of those 3, what would you say you would lean towards if you had to choose 1? What would be your favorite?
3:03Speaker 4Because it's very complicated and I like complicated stuff. I like to figure stuff out.
3:13Speaker 1In regards to that, let's touch on that for a little bit. So in regards to that, what are you seeing? What are some of the reasons why people's hormones are so out of whack these days? I mean, you're talking young 20 year olds are
3:26Speaker 1even like low on testosterone and things like that. Do you have an idea of what you think is some of the issues with people
3:40Speaker 4lots of people are unfortunately, what I see in my practice of a 30 year old man with testosterone of 2 50, most likely I see him carrying
3:56Speaker 1When I started doing the fitness channel for me, I started to have a lot of men pull their
4:07Speaker 1so it seemed smart to do that, which was, and then as the channel grew, you know, younger men started to come in and, when they would talk to me about how they felt, you know, being tired and lethargic and all this stuff, I really started to question it thinking,
4:27Speaker 1pull their blood work, thinking that was going to be it. And there was still just, I mean, the high majority of the men I ever had pull, their blood work were literally under 300.
4:42Speaker 1Is it anything else in particular? Are you really just saying it's the weight problem? No, I mean, there are a lot of facts. What I've seen after COVID,
4:49Speaker 4lots and lots of men would get there to start for some reason. Is it the virus? Is it the vaccine?
6:24Speaker 4that number doesn't give us much. If it's low, yes, of course it's but we have to look at also LH and FSH, maybe it's primary hypogonadism.
6:32Speaker 4We have to look at their estrogen, DHT. We have to look at their free testosterone. Free testosterone is the most important testosterone that the body can actually use.
6:49Speaker 1no, like they would, when I would get a blood test from their own, they would, a lot of them would be coming back without free testosterone, which
7:13Speaker 4how the hell are you gonna know the whole history? How the hell are you going to connect to the patient?
7:19Speaker 4and we are moving towards personalized medicine and conventional medicine is far behind. I mean,
7:28Speaker 1Yeah. Well, that's what I love that you're saying that because that's how we fix that because 1 of the things is that does frustrate me with Western medicine is just that meaning if we go into a doctor,
7:40Speaker 1we give them, you know, the respect that they're due, right? But if like we go in there and they just give us 2 seconds of 2 minutes of their time, they don't ask us any questions, even about sleep. How are you sleeping? Did somebody die? Or you know what I mean? And, I just think they're really letting people down. That's like what I said when you came on, when I introduced you, it's so refreshing to see doctors now starting to branch out
8:25Speaker 4I would like to believe that, but I still don't believe that it's going peptides are going to
8:41Speaker 4Tirzepatide or any of the GLP agonists, not from the doctors' offices, from the gray market, from compounding pharmacy,
8:51Speaker 4their A1C going down, they're getting healthier. So they and people see that the conventional medicine unfortunately fails them.
9:07Speaker 4with the patient for about 40 minutes and talk about their habits, their That's awesome. If they sleep exactly. The sleep is the major factor for testosterone and growth hormone Exercise,
9:19Speaker 4you know, if you sit down, if you're in IT and you sit on your ass all day long and you haven't been in the gym for months, what stash are we talking about? I mean, you do have to contract some of your muscles.
9:34Speaker 1resistance training, obviously sleep and cortisol and things like that. The food, what we eat.
9:40Speaker 4Will the conventional doctor ask you, what is it that you eat? Do you eat well? Nothing ever.
9:48Speaker 1I mean, we can cure ourselves to a degree with food, but it's difficult these days just because even the food is genetically modified and seed oils and everything. I think there's a big move,
9:58Speaker 1even the, you know, the growth of this podcast, we're just 2 dudes that like to talk about supplements and we just love it, you know, and it's been a passion and it's just, God's put his hand on it. It's grown because people are just seeking something different. So it's such a blessing.
10:12Speaker 1You know, but you being a doctor and being a lot farther, you know, more intelligent than us, That's why it's so rad to have you on the show just because I know people listen to this and especially with women because women kind of got a raw deal when it came to like hormones and whatnot. That's starting to come around.
10:30Speaker 1Ladies, you don't have to feel like crap. You're supposed to have a sex drive. You're supposed to feel good, right? Doug, tell us a little bit about the ladies
10:42Speaker 1what are some of the symptoms that you're going to see where their hormones are just not right and they think they're just getting old? Well, yeah, we're all going to get old, but we don't have to feel like we're old, right?
10:53Speaker 4Oh, ladies, ladies, it's an orchestra. When I look at women's hormones, it's really not 1 thing. Like, you know, for men, when you prescribe testosterone,
11:03Speaker 4it's estrogen, it's progesterone, it's testosterone, it's GHK, it's quartz. I mean, it's an orchestra and I'm the what that person that does the work, you know? Conductor. Right. So
11:28Speaker 4There is no desire to go to the gym, is no desire to do things that they usually do. And honestly, testosterone is underrated hormone for women. I am, you know, I give testosterone to almost all my perimenopausal and menopausal women.
11:44Speaker 4And it makes a huge difference, huge difference. Not the palate, I'm not I will never advocate
11:53Speaker 4we can do women can inject testosterone if you order testosterone from a compounding pharmacy and they have the specific formulation, it's 20 mg/ml
12:06Speaker 4Is also estrogen, you know, have you heard now there is a shortage of patches, estrogen patches
12:16Speaker 4Now, and you know, nobody talks about estrogen in injectable form, but there is estrogen siponet
12:27Speaker 4And you can have that woman to inject maybe once or twice a week together with testosterone.
12:38Speaker 4we can solve those problems. You don't have to suffer through menopause. You don't have to suffer from
12:44Speaker 4mood swings and, you know, and most of the doctors I have so many women patients who come to me because they were prescribed antidepressant
12:56Speaker 4kidding me. And they come and they still have the same symptoms. I can have sex with my husband, but I'm on SSRI. How SSRI
13:06Speaker 4Man, what did you do? Right? It will kill your libido. But yet they were giving SSRI instead of estrogen or testosterone and testosterone, right?
13:18Speaker 1It really is. I know this is going be a vague question. So, so gals come in for the most part. What are you seeing is the biggest problem in their blood work? Is that too vague
13:28Speaker 1to ask that? Like, what are some of the main problems? Like, if it's men, it's testosterone,
13:37Speaker 1Like, on average, what you're seeing women and that's just kind of their hormones are out of whack depends if what it's a perimenopause
13:44Speaker 4or a menopause. Let's say a woman entered the menopause. Now, lots of things are going to be down, and you can see that estrogen is around 10 or less than 10. You can see testosterone is on the floor. You can see their DHEA is very low.
13:59Speaker 4You can see their cholesterol is high, very high, because why? Your liver makes 80% of cholesterol. Your liver makes cholesterol to synthesize your hormones. Your liver,
14:10Speaker 4I guess, doesn't get the message that hormones are no longer being synthesized because
14:15Speaker 4it keeps receiving the signal that hormones are low, so it produces cholesterol. It keeps producing
14:24Speaker 4brain is not listening, the ovaries are empty, so there's nothing to make. And that's why in menopause we see rise in cholesterol and what do people, other practitioners do? They give them statins instead of giving them hormones. My gosh, was gonna say that, you know they're getting them statins. Oh my God. You could give them hormones and I can see in 3 to 6 months their lipid profile goes from here to here. So it really gets stabilized.
14:55Speaker 4the system. So when we optimize the hormonal system, but again, if a woman's overweight,
15:08Speaker 1didn't mean to cut you off. Sorry. Ahead. Go ahead. Well, was saying though that like that's life though, right? Like if you want to feel great, sometimes it's gonna take a little while to unwind
15:18Speaker 1some stuff. I mean Will and I talk, a lot about men, but, we call it the sweet spot and that's meaning basically hormonally optimized and that sweet spot changes, you know, like for example, for me, I've found like 180 mg of testosterone
15:31Speaker 1seems to be my sweet spot. And what I mean by that is where I feel the best. Sex drive is good,
15:38Speaker 1but you change as you age, you've, you know, like I've talked about it on this podcast, so you haven't heard it, but
15:46Speaker 1I hit 49 man and I just went and it just knocked me the hell out of my sweet spot. So the last,
15:52Speaker 1good 6 months or so, I've just been really trying to figure out some of the things going on. You know, I think a lot of stuff stemming from gut,
16:01Speaker 1it takes a lot of time. Like for example, it's no fun to do blood work. It's no fun to do stool tests, but you know, it's worth it when you feel good,
16:21Speaker 4mg a week, how do you inject? Do you inject once a week, twice a week, 3 times a week, every other day? What's your regimen?
16:38Speaker 1microdose. I've done it once a week because I'm just tired of sticking a lineal in my butt. Obviously
16:48Speaker 1don't feel the biggest difference. I mean, if I do it once a week, I mean, a lot of my
16:52Speaker 1testosterone converts to estrogen fairly quickly. I've always been kind of Gino prone.
16:57Speaker 1It's been under wraps now for like a long time. Had my sweet spot down for quite some time, but, you know, like we tell our listeners, it takes a lot of time to figure this stuff out. You know, I've done 140,
17:28Speaker 1that would be where you would start? I know it's blood work, but like, you know, when are you too high? Cause I know women are gonna think they're going to start looking like a man and feeling like a man. That's not true, but give us some ideas on ladies that don't know much about this subject.
17:44Speaker 1are they gonna feel when they get their hormones in line? Is there like kind of an idea of like how much a woman would run?
18:12Speaker 4And I decided not to use the cream, I decided to inject myself with testosterone. And so how did I feel prior to injections?
18:38Speaker 4would be a crash in the middle of the day, I would think that it was my sugar, and I would stick my finger and see,
18:54Speaker 4in range. If you look at the laboratory range, it was in range for me. My estrogen is dropping,
19:08Speaker 4I use testosterone again. With MCT oil, it's very easy to drop with insulin syringe and I inject 2 mg,
19:21Speaker 4in the future I will increase it when my estrogen goes down to shit, let's say, and I need a little bit more testosterone to aromatize into estrogen.
19:52Speaker 4So I am for testosterone. That's good though. 2 years ago, I was against the testosterone injections,
20:03Speaker 5I was gonna ask you to compare the cream versus testosterone, but finish. Finish yours.
20:16Speaker 4enormous amounts where their voice would change, where they started growing hair on their chin, but they would compete.
20:23Speaker 4Were, you know, they needed for the stage. I was like, wow, I cannot support that as practitioner. So I'm like, no. And they will get testosterone on the ground, obviously. But
20:37Speaker 4I have women who are injecting from 10 to 15 mg a week and their testosterone is still normal, so nothing goes really crazy. So it depends on how you metabolize it. Ahead and ask the question. Sure.
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21:30Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay. Big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
21:38Speaker 3So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
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22:15Speaker 4I have women who are afraid of needles. If they're afraid of needles, they can only use cream. We have vaginal cream, we have transdermal.
22:35Speaker 4in most of my women, for some reason, prefer cream because, again, injecting, it's not a common thing, you know, if I do say I do inject, but
22:51Speaker 1had a, I was doing another podcast with a gal that she's a police officer and I won't say, well, I know she's listened to this. What's up, Brandy? She came on the show and you told her story basically, you know, she was going to doctor to doctor. I can't remember if they put her on antidepressants or whatnot, but they were just
23:11Speaker 1I think that she heard a podcast. I don't remember exactly what was it, but she'd finally went to the doctor that actually started running her hormones and
23:19Speaker 1long story short is she feels great. You know, she thought something's wrong with her. She didn't want to have sex with her husband and all this stuff. Right? Like we think that that's just what happens when you get older.
23:29Speaker 1It's just not, you know, you just got to get these things in line. Do you know what is a
23:46Speaker 1Higher than a lot higher. Well, I'm saying from a, like a doctor, if like you, you, they pull your blood work and they see you at like Yes.
24:06Speaker 4doctors, absolutely, they look at the laboratory range, look at their lab, and the lab says that 700 is the top. I
24:16Speaker 4have a patient who had his natural testosterone of 7 20, and he's like, My doctor said I have to detox. I'm like, How do you detox?
24:26Speaker 4years old, your testosterone is 7 20. Oh my god. High 5! But how are we going to detox?
24:47Speaker 4don't believe you're not injecting. And the guy didn't inject. I mean, just 1 patient I have that with the natural testosterone of that number at 42 or 40 And 3
24:56Speaker 4his primary carer was like, What? He was afraid. He fired him as a patient because he didn't believe he didn't inject. And how do you
25:05Speaker 4look at his LH and FSH and it's not suppressed? That's how you know he's not injecting.
25:12Speaker 4a person injects testosterone, your balls are going to be shut down. And I mean, this is a common knowledge among medical
25:21Speaker 4but I guess he didn't run MNLH and FSH because all they do is probably run testosterone, and he looked at testosterone. And
25:27Speaker 4don't treat testosterone, was there actually, and then I ran his panel and his LH and FSH was normal, and I said, take this blood work, go to your primary if you still want to have a primary because of your insurance, and say, I don't inject testosterone.
25:44Speaker 4to tell him that this patient did not inject anything and we have evidence. Look at his estrogen, look at his LH and FSH, nothing is suppressed. That's his natural production.
25:56Speaker 5That's unreal. Unreal. So back to women, is there any for all of the low low estrogen,
26:06Speaker 5testosterone, is there any specific symptoms? What I'm trying to get at is, is there any way for a woman who's listening
26:12Speaker 5to, I don't know, I know we don't really want to self diagnose, but is there specific symptoms for each 1 of those?
26:22Speaker 4symptoms? No, with estrogen, of course. If you have very low estrogen, you will have hot flashes.
26:28Speaker 4You'll sweat like crazy. You will have the mood swings. If you're low on progesterone,
26:33Speaker 4you will not stay asleep during the night, you will be very anxious, you will be restless,
26:37Speaker 4if your testosterone is low, you'll have no motivation, you'll have no libido, you have no energy to get up and do things, especially you cannot, you know, some women who were exercising
26:48Speaker 4and their testosterone dropped, they don't want to go to the gym. So I would say those are the common ones I can name. DHEA though,
26:59Speaker 4When you take DHEA, your body decides whether to convert DHEA to estrogen or to testosterone or do nothing with that. So some women and we have a new study that came out postmenopausal
27:14Speaker 4it's large numbers, I don't remember exact milligrams, but it increases your testosterone and estrogen,
27:36Speaker 5had women and my girlfriend, my fiance is 1 of them, but several others that say, oh, I like taking semaglutide,
28:41Speaker 4They would get it from me, but then they because, you know, Internet talks about a lot of things and they're like, Retra is going to be great. I don't think it's going to be great with people without immune disease. I think tirzepatide
29:38Speaker 5What do you, yeah, what do you do? I mean, you do orthopedic kind of injections with what peptides
29:47Speaker 4Do they like? What's good? Try to use peptides when they're well, they only use peptides off season
30:01Speaker 4and we do intra articular injections with stem cells and hyaluronic acid to provide cushioning.
30:12Speaker 4Yeah, everybody. Listen, it's not it's not secret. When people say there is no evidence that BPC does anything, trust me, the whole
30:47Speaker 5And do you think that BPC is toxic? Like, this 1 strikes me as like, it just gives those who have enough money in to do it maybe an unfair advantage because they recover faster, but it's not bad. It's not banning it, like,
30:59Speaker 4because it's hurting people. You know that it's not hurting people because I'm sure you know hundreds and hundreds of people who are injecting BPC.
31:40Speaker 4Unfortunately, more cases now coming out with people injecting BPC or TB or copper peptide with diabetic retinopathy,
32:04Speaker 4to the doctor. And I always actually speak to patients and I ask them about their current conditions,
32:11Speaker 4if there was a malignancy ever, if there is any chronic conditions, and diabetic retinopathy
32:35Speaker 4We cannot say that, cannot, I cannot say that, that yes, this is it, because we don't have research confirming my words. This
32:43Speaker 4is again another real world evidence where a patient's mother of a patient of mine decided to inject it for
33:00Speaker 4can prove it, we can't because we don't have, but we do know what she's been on and what have changed
33:09Speaker 1are you seeing out there in the good old social media world that we all live in mindlessly scrolling?
33:15Speaker 1Or is there anything that's driving you crazy that that's all through social media that when you see it, just want to scream? Like,
33:41Speaker 4I have tried myself, and I've tried every peptide on the market, well, that were in category 1.
33:52Speaker 4the antidepressant that blocks the TRK-one channel in your brain and, you know, leads to ischemia. Do not try that peptide. You shouldn't.
34:14Speaker 4because you already have MOTS-3s in you. You produce MOTS- if you're a dream rat, you produce enough MOTS-3.
34:22Speaker 1So I was gonna ask you 1 of the questions if we got to it. Did you think that running SS-31and
34:32Speaker 4But it's absolutely So MOTS-3.1 acts on the So you're saying not MOTS-3.1? No. I mean, what does MOTS-3.1 do? MOTS-3.1
35:13Speaker 4If you say that, please tell me how from the scientific standpoint, from the molecular
35:38Speaker 4inside that mitochondria there is a phospholipid bilayer that's stabilized by cardiolipin.
36:38Speaker 4Now we have to extrapolate that into the regular person. How do we know how much to inject? 1 mg, 5 mg,
36:46Speaker 410 mg? I tried 1 mg, I tried 5 mg, I tried 15 mg, I tried 30. I felt the same. Felt no difference.
37:17Speaker 4And I would also suggest do the blood work before and after. Look at your white blood cell, look at your red blood cell, look at your inflammatory markers,
37:38Speaker 4with some eye disorder. Now the research is being done, so I believe, I think SS-thirty
38:18Speaker 450 percent of people is going to say it's going to do something, for other people 50% they say it's going
38:52Speaker 1that's awesome. I love hearing about that. Any other ones that you do not like that you think the internet is over hyping? Let's talk a few about a few more of those. So you think MOTS-1C is all hype. What else?
39:46Speaker 4so if you prolong prolonging stimulation of your IGF-one receptors and remember your IGF-one receptors in the heart muscle too.
40:00Speaker 4well not yours but the mice, the longer they live. So now we have more and more emerging research stating that the lower IGF,
40:15Speaker 1What are some ones that you like? SS-thirty 1 you like? What was the other 1 that she was saying? Oh, was it BPC?
40:21Speaker 5Yeah, I guess tell me what the thoughts on NAD. I know that, and I guess here's, I do have a bigger question on like NAD.
40:28Speaker 5I know there's scientific research that says it shouldn't work injected, but like it works. It does work.
40:35Speaker 5My broader question is how come there are a lot of these peptides where there's a, there's a lot of scientific evidence,
40:44Speaker 5in The United States. And then there's some with not much evidence and they are being accepted in Thymosin Alpha, which is like 1 of our favorites, right? It's like, it's a patented, it's a drug you know, in 30 some countries. Why the heck does The United States not
41:02Speaker 4don't understand the politics of medicine, honestly. I've never I don't. I was gonna ask you guys, maybe you knew. But again,
41:32Speaker 4We love it too. People Do you like them? Do you notice those? I've tried it. I've never felt any, any, any effects really.
41:46Speaker 1So what would be a, what would be a stack that you would give somebody that is a healthy, let's say a 50 year old comes in and he's actually healthy. He's been exercising.
41:58Speaker 1What would be a stack that you would recommend? Push your limits, train with precision,
42:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard. So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
42:33Speaker 2Want it that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. And for him to kind of extend
42:54Speaker 4testosterone would be there because if he is 40 something, his testosterone is already dropping, right? We don't have much 40 year olds
43:20Speaker 4I do not like to use more than 3 peptides just to affect, to see which 1 actually because
44:53Speaker 4and he would like, Oh, I'm injecting that. And I was like, Woah. And then he's like did you read the research? And I'm like no, let me And then I'm reading the research and damn, the mice would get 500
45:08Speaker 4And is it a placebo effect? No, because we do I do see people with some tendon injury.
45:15Speaker 4Of course, if you have full tendon tear, BPC is not going to connect the dots. But if you have partial tear,
45:55Speaker 4I'm still confused on the dosages, even though we do have those dosages from compounding pharmacies that they do have recommended
46:04Speaker 4How long can you inject it for? Nobody else knows, but we come up with our own protocols.
46:23Speaker 4pro athlete is very knowledgeable. I don't need to tell him what to inject. He comes to me and he tells me, listen, this is what I need actually.
46:35Speaker 4And they come to me and they say, Listen, I need these 3. I need copper, BPC and TB. I either get it from you or I'll get it from a guy in my team.
46:50Speaker 4How much? I don't know how much of BPC or how much of the yeah, how much of the millage pretty easily start people with. I say the recommended dosages is 500 mcgs.
47:02Speaker 4dosages of copper peptide is 1 to 2 mg, but nobody can tolerate it higher. With that I don't have problems with the copper peptide. But BPC and TB,
47:20Speaker 1Nothing happened. Wow. JD, tell her how much you did. So I had a back surgery, when was that, Will, a year ago? Don't remember. Was a year ago, but anyways,
47:32Speaker 1No. He's a good friend of ours. He speaks a lot of the conferences and whatnot, but anyways, he's a good friend of ours and a guy I respect heavily.
47:40Speaker 1So he saw, was posting, I was in the hospital, blah, blah, blah. And then I got out and he calls me and says, I want to put you on protocol. I put a lot of my pro athletes on,
47:59Speaker 1so 3 bottles in the morning, 30 megs, 2 bottles a night, then 20 megs. 15 megs that day. And then the 2nd day was 2 bottles. So 20 megs, 20 megs, 3rd day, 20 megs,
48:15Speaker 1I was like, wow, that's a lot. I was going to take a lot anyway, but like, that's a lot. And luckily I, you know, I can get it and, it
48:27Speaker 1like, wow, you healed quickly. Now he's a guy that, you know, knows peptides and whatnot, not as much as you, you know?
48:40Speaker 1and you know, you heal fairly quickly from a microsecond to me, but I was in the gym 2 weeks later and felt amazing.
48:49Speaker 4But also what I've noticed with peptides, the older you are, the less they work. I have
49:08Speaker 4For 6 months they've injected BPC and TB, and I have few of those patients who then got very disappointed
49:25Speaker 4so not sure, but see, we have no vision. We don't have much. We do have people. I know people, you know people, we know lots of people, but we don't really dissect those people. We didn't do the blood work, we didn't
50:02Speaker 1I would imagine though, being able to somewhat do your own research by just seeing people and how they heal. It's probably amazing. Like I can
50:13Speaker 1we get to see people heal themselves with these things. And you know again we've already talked about Western medicine but these things are actually helping
50:25Speaker 1mid expediting injuries and whatnot. It's so awesome. But also we do need MRI studies prior
50:47Speaker 4have again, told the patient, listen, I'm going give you medication for free, but you have to pay for MRI. I want you to do the MRI now,
50:55Speaker 4then in a month, then in 2 months, so you'll be on BPC for 6 months, let's say, and they had the partial tear, they refused, they don't want to spend money on MRI. That would be so cool. Yes, and I encourage people to do those studies because you can submit those studies
51:16Speaker 1Oh man, I would imagine, hopefully there's going to be more and more and more people like you that are starting to do that because there's, you know, people that are in this world that we all, we all swim in.
51:26Speaker 11 thing that I love about it is that everybody's really sticking together, you know, just through the podcast and just, you know, just how things work, law of attraction, so to speak. We've just been able to meet a lot of people, you know, that are in this world and they all stick together, man. They all, they all helped each other. That's a passion
51:44Speaker 1to help people get healthy and fix the world rather than, you know, where we were coming from, which we've already discussed. We'll leave it there.
51:56Speaker 1I hope that you just being on here, there's some doctors that see, and that lights the fire and then to do the same, you know, like Western medicine's outdated to a degree. Listen, you break your arm. That's great. Go get some good, go get it like fixed.
52:09Speaker 1Like, you know, it's time to look at different stuff and unfortunately they don't have the studies. Let's do them.
52:17Speaker 1Let's someone's got to do them. You know, your doctor, let's do it. Like, I'd love it. I love that you're leading the way in this.
52:27Speaker 5I'd like to state that and get your opinion. Cause I think I know where you stand though. We talk about all the time that like, Hey, peptides are great people, but like they're an optimization
52:48Speaker 5these are not for you to sit on the couch and do nothing, change nothing and just take a drug.
52:55Speaker 4Thoughts on that? Do you agree with us? Absolutely. What's the most important thing? Most important thing is the muscle. Muscle is the foundation. It's the future. It's your investment
53:04Speaker 4in your future. Totally. When you're 60, 70, and 80, muscle is what's going to help you to go do your groceries without help, to get up, get off that couch, to do the dishes, to wash the floors, to go walk with your dog. That's muscle.
53:18Speaker 4Muscle is the most important thing, I cannot stress that enough. And for my women, for the listeners,
53:27Speaker 4estrogen is great. Absolutely, it protects your bones, but muscle will protect your bones even further.
53:38Speaker 4get up and you have to go to the gym and you have to lift, have to do resistance training at least,
53:55Speaker 4Bentleys and barely walking and, you know, spend lots of time walking around the mall, that's not exercise.
54:11Speaker 4no, you have to break that muscle apart. You have to break that and make it and your body will heal and create hypertrophy
54:19Speaker 4your bones will thank you later. This is an investment for your future. And if you're fat,
54:37Speaker 4If you put peptides into that and you feel nothing, of course, you're going to feel nothing because your body is busy
54:44Speaker 4bringing down the inflammation from the adipose tissue, then going and responding to the signals. Peptides are signals that your body have to respond to. But if you have a bunch of inflammation, if you're sick, if you're overweight and you don't take care of your health, peptides are not magic.
55:11Speaker 1the GOPs, at least if it's somebody that's overweight and they have that no motivation and if at least that works really quickly. So if that can get the damn
55:22Speaker 1We, we celebrate it, you know, but again, we always say these are not, these are not supposed to be taken to perpetuity, man. Like this is, this is, we want to
55:33Speaker 1Everybody wants to build 0.333 floor, take an injection and then that's all they're doing and they're losing weight, but you've got to build that muscle.
55:41Speaker 1And you 2 ladies, she just said it now you got the doctor that just said that we preach it every, on every episode
55:53Speaker 1Yeah. I mean, you just gotta, I mean, you don't even have to lick, to the gym, which you can do the bands. You can do bands at home. I mean, there's so many creative ways to do it,
56:21Speaker 1that flame in people, it doesn't even matter. It's here and people are seeking other things. And I just love that you are leading
56:31Speaker 5So speaking of muscle, what do you believe in dosage? So protein, amount of grams of protein, a woman versus a man
56:41Speaker 5build the max amount of muscle. What do you think a man or woman can actually handle? Have you looked into that? Well, there's
57:12Speaker 4Probably I do eat that 3 times, yes. If I cannot eat dinner, I drink my protein shake. If you cannot meet
57:49Speaker 1knowledgeable on that? You, because I know women and men, it's very different for women and men.
58:03Speaker 1and then about 20 hours, it really starts to rev and then 36 it's Gruen Lubin. And I fell in love with it
58:13Speaker 1I've just, you know, hit 1 of those walls and I was trying to figure it out. I was all pudgy and I couldn't figure it out. So I started reading about fasting and I did it for,
58:21Speaker 1to try to lose weight, but then I fell in love with it because I was running a mortgage company at that time and I was just on fire. I was just like focused and it's just amazing. So those are some of the tools that we speak of a lot too, to help people, you know, even doing 1 72 hour
58:39Speaker 1decrease the chance that you're going to get cancer. Dead cells dying off are falling off and brand new ones take their place.
58:47Speaker 4How can you lose, you know? I do fast once a month, whole Sunday. So once Sunday a month, we don't eat anything with my body.
59:07Speaker 4who eats only healthy and cooks at home, do they need fasting? Maybe they should try and see how they feel, but for me personally,
59:33Speaker 1guts, gut people are the 1 of the biggest problems, you know, from, you know, at least my digging into this,
59:39Speaker 1is just everybody's got the autoimmune problems are really stemming from the guts. You know, lot of the antibiotics have really triggered
59:46Speaker 1leaky gut and things like that. I mean, I mean, think about all everybody, you know, a lot of people have, autoimmune
1:00:29Speaker 4those people with kidney failure should entertain VIP. I have 2 patients whose kidney function that eGFR number on your blood work that says eGFR,
1:00:40Speaker 4it was, I think his was about 30, so he was on the 2nd stage of kidney failure And VIP nasal spray brought it up to 60 in
1:01:15Speaker 4BPC- not everybody responds to BPC capsules. I have a patient with Crohn's. I gave him BPC and KPV and 3 days into the capsules, he was hospitalized with heavy bleeding.
1:01:41Speaker 4people smoke, people eat shit all the time. You know, we talk about God and we talk about how we're gonna cure God, but don't we need to talk about lifestyle.
1:02:03Speaker 1you have to eat right. You have to work out. You have to be hormonally optimized when you get these things in line. And it's going take some time to get some of these things in line for some people, when you take them online, peptides are going to work great, most of them, right? But you gotta be hormonally optimized and you gotta do your part, which is lift some weights and stop beating, as you said, and I agree, shit food,
1:02:36Speaker 4because they're not happy with their life, and your gut is the 2nd brain. If you look at the neurophysiology,
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1:03:49Speaker 4But there's some research on psilocybin and gut issues, you know, psilocybin can cure well, can cure I cannot say cure anything because no, but
1:04:14Speaker 4This is a different podcast. You can interview me. Tried everything and I You're used good. So we got you.
1:04:33Speaker 4If you're not happy, your body will respond with pain. You're not happy, I've seen I had patients without the immune disease. I had patients with
1:04:56Speaker 4and he came back and he's still in remission. It's been 2 months, 2 years, it's been 2 years.
1:05:20Speaker 4after psychedelics, you no longer think of those things. Psychedelics also help you to see the broader picture.
1:05:33Speaker 4I think psychedelics is the future of peptides. Psychedelics, hormones are the future of medicine.
1:05:39Speaker 5I love it. No, I think it's great. While we're talking about that, what about ketamine? What's your thought on that, on the ketamine microdosing?
1:05:50Speaker 4Ketamine, it's a- it was- it's not, we can call it really, can we call it psychedelic? Not really, because it's really No, not no. But
1:05:58Speaker 4if someone, because with ketamine you can never have a bad trip because it's controlled with psychedelics,
1:06:04Speaker 1you will have a bad trip. I know, I have a buddy that, that that was saying what you were saying. He's a guy that, Will and I are both sober. We've been sober a long time. So we've done a lot of, at least I've done a lot of psychedelics myself.
1:06:16Speaker 1You know, well, but, anyways, he was, he was a guy that really struggled. He kind of went in and out a lot. I ran into him recently. He was telling me about this psychedelic thing. He went to Mexico as well, did Ayahuasca
1:06:30Speaker 1The way that he was explaining it, like he was just like a hill dude. Like I had never seen him talk like that. He's usually angry and just
1:06:40Speaker 1here he comes, you know, kind of 1 of those guys. Man, here we go. You know, but like, he was just like, I was like, wow bro. Like
1:06:47Speaker 1he was, he seemed healed and like you worked for him, man. So I love anything that's outside of the box. I think that we're not supposed to be in any box. Yep. I think we should always keep our minds open
1:06:58Speaker 1for anything, you know? I mean, because I think that like, again, that's rad that the world's going there, whether it be psychedelics or
1:07:13Speaker 1to see what is good for you because even 1 dose of BPC for me might not work for this big dude right here. You know what I mean? And,
1:07:30Speaker 1I hope that, we get to have you here 1 day. That would be awesome. We've had a lot of people that come start
1:07:37Speaker 1on the internet and then they come in and it's always a pleasure to get to sit with you because we could go for hours on just talking with you. I love what you're doing. I know I've said that, but I really am so, so glad to see
1:07:58Speaker 1The world's like you said, it is, let's just be honest. It's fat, it's overweight. It's just, they've given up on themselves. So we need people that are leading the way that are actually doctors who people will trust even like more than us because we just, we try this ourselves.
1:08:20Speaker 5We leave, I have 3 pages full of questions, but I will not ask those. Have 1 more question. We
1:08:37Speaker 5My fiance and I are trying to have a baby. I haven't done any testosterone in a month now.
1:08:45Speaker 5And I've been running testosterone for too many years. I'm 41 now. I think I started at like 32. So that's why I like weaned down, but I'm now, but I'm also like, do you do any fertility protocols? And do you, what would you suggest? I'm taking some, I mean, I'm, here's what I'm taking is, well, no tests. And clomiphene, like 25 mg a day.
1:09:17Speaker 4IUs of HMG 3 days a week. What's HMG? Oh, yes, it's human. It's similar to HCG. Yes.
1:09:29Speaker 4So you're trying to wake your balls up, but it's only been a month for testosterone, so it's going to take about 3 months
1:09:40Speaker 4you check the sperm, whether the motility is adequate, everything's fine. But I think it's too much of things you do, will start converting, your estrogen will go up, and with up estrogen is that a good quality sperm. I think you should do 12.5 mg of Enclomiphene since you're already on HCG
1:10:00Speaker 4also do the blood work, look at your estrogen. If estrogen is too high, it's also not a good thing for conception. Concept yeah, that's the word, conception. Yes. Yeah.
1:10:19Speaker 5I don't really know. I don't know. I don't know. We have not got her. So again, like we've only been like saying, Hey, let's, okay, let's, let's try for like 3 weeks now. I knew that we wanted to, and now we're serious about it. So, but yeah, we might as well both
1:10:34Speaker 4But again, you've been on testosterone for so long. It's going to take about 3 months on average. That's what I see in my practice for your balls to be awakened and start producing your own testosterone.
1:10:57Speaker 5Okay, that's cool. I can do it. Well, I'm also taking, still taking, I'm taking like, I don't know, 1 IU of HGH because I've had conflicting advice from doctors. Some have told me don't take any HGH
1:11:10Speaker 4and then some have said, yes, you should. Do have research that HGH helps the spermatogenesis,
1:11:17Speaker 4definitely. But we have to also remember when you do take HGH, it means it's exogenous. It means your pituitary will shut down. So you will have to do some cycling. Maybe do HGH and then Tesamorelin or Ipamorelin or whatever Rallying you like,
1:11:33Speaker 4because but not for long also stimulating too long your pituitary also can desensitize
1:11:59Speaker 4if you have some injuries and you want GH, but I like Tesamorelin because it's mild stimulation of your pituitary and it also helps on your liver too, if you have fatty liver disease, Tesamorelin is supposed to get the fat out. Now, Reta will get your fat out of the liver in no time, of course. That's the main job of Reta.
1:12:34Speaker 5about this 1? The women ask us all the time, like, what is my what's a protocol for perimenopause?
1:12:50Speaker 4we're not going to give you estrogen unless you have symptoms of hot flashes. Most women don't. So we're going to replace progesterone with testosterone and we'll monitor you.
1:13:02Speaker 4Peptides? Do peptides fall into there? Of course, Tesamorelin. I would say, I would definitely
1:13:14Speaker 4because your liver starts to make more cholesterol, because the hormones are failing, so Tesamorelin should help to redistribute
1:13:31Speaker 4So when before you had little fat here, little fat there, estrogen goes down, your fat going
1:13:39Speaker 5Yeah, that's bad. Okay, that's cool. And then finally, we try to ask every guest, like, are you taking for peptides that you can tell us right now? Do you mind telling us like,
1:13:49Speaker 4are you taking right On record, I can tell you people on record what I take. I take SS-31.
1:14:20Speaker 4we detox, I detox alcohol with an HIV, even though we have no studies, we have no research proving, but it works, and I see this in my practice. A Russian man who drinks for weeks and then they come in and we do daily infusion with 100 and with 500 to 750
1:14:50Speaker 4addictions with alcohol especially, because they get so nauseous. They see they look at VAC and they think of probably NAD, how bad it was for them.
1:15:20Speaker 4bring it into the cell and now converts it back to NAD plus So then why not inject NR?
1:15:28Speaker 4do, your body will need to do less work. So if with NR it's taken up by the cells immediately
1:15:36Speaker 4and converts to NAD plus Well, it's again, it's a theoretical thing. So this is a theory, but very valid theory because we do know the mechanisms.
1:15:50Speaker 4NAD plus Then your body doesn't have to do anything. No, it does. If you take NAD plus your body have to convert it to NR and NMN and then take it into the and Yes, convert it
1:16:01Speaker 4it's a process and some people will lack that enzyme, not everybody will have that enzyme.
1:16:10Speaker 4That's why some people have no effect on NAD, some people have great effect with NAD,
1:17:06Speaker 4we have a patient who peed in the cup, got tested positive because he just I mean, he smokes daily and he needed to do
1:17:14Speaker 4some testing. And so for the whole week, did NAD infusions. In a week, he was clear. In a week, I mean, days, not 7, even 5 days of 500 mg daily.
1:17:30Speaker 5A lot of kids, the good thing little kids aren't listening to this. They just got some ideas.
1:17:38Speaker 5in a couple, drug and alcohol rehabs. Like did he said, like we've been sober for a long time because we abused
1:17:45Speaker 5every single bit of drug and alcohol there is and both went through all this. That's, that's close
1:17:51Speaker 4to our heart. Yeah. Am sober too. I have, I have, I don't drink. Good for you. Okay. Congratulations.
1:18:07Speaker 1let you go. We appreciate your time. It has been natural. I knew I was gonna love it. It's, it's, I've been watching all the stuff you've been posting. I love it. It's been a great meeting you again and hopefully we meet you soon. Absolutely. I really, really enjoyed this talk. Thank you so much. Right. Doctor. J, we'll talk to you soon. Bye Bless you to see bye, guys. Take care. Thank you for joining us for the pep time of the week. We'll catch you next time. Later.