Peptide of the Week: HRT, Peptides & Longevity With Dr. Ksenia
Peptide of the Week
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1:09  Speaker 2:  Welcome back to the pep time of the week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Across the way, my buddy, my pal, my business partner, friend,
1:16  Speaker 2:  mister William T. Haas, like always. What's up, man? What's up, dude? And,
1:21  Speaker 2:  unfortunately,
1:22  Speaker 2:  not with us here, but live across the Internet is
1:27  Speaker 2:  she goes by Doctor. K, some know her as Doctor. Kissinia.
1:30  Speaker 2:  She is all over the darn internet right now. So if you're in the world of peptides or hormone replacement
1:37  Speaker 2:  and you haven't seen her, you're not looking. So,
1:40  Speaker 4:  Doctor. K, how are you? Great, and I'm so happy to be here with you guys. Well, not here, but virtually.
1:46  Speaker 4:  Very excited. I was looking forward to this talk.
1:50  Speaker 2:  Me too, me too. I've been seeing your stuff everywhere and I just, I love education that you're dropping out there. It's been so
1:57  Speaker 2:  awesome. They need, we need more doctors like you.
2:00  Speaker 2:  Let's find some. Where are they at? I love that you are, are, it's just so refreshing to see some of the stuff that you're putting out there. And that's obviously why you're growing probably really quickly. Thank you. Where
2:13  Speaker 3:  are you from? What city and state are you sitting in right now? Miami, Florida.
2:19  Speaker 4:  Miami, Florida. I've been here for the past 25,
2:22  Speaker 4:  24 years, 23.
2:24  Speaker 2:  Yeah,
2:25  Speaker 3:  Miami's awesome. I've been there many times. Can you tell us what you do, what you do
2:30  Speaker 3:  for everybody?
2:32  Speaker 3:  Credential yourself I for don't really care about, don't care about credentialing, but yeah. And I
2:37  Speaker 4:  am a partner of in the business, in the wellness business.
2:41  Speaker 4:  And what I do personally is I see men and women for their hormone replacement therapy,
2:46  Speaker 4:  peptides and
2:50  Speaker 4:  weight loss, I would say. So 3 major categories.
2:54  Speaker 2:  Okay, cool. Out of those 3, what would you say you would lean towards if you had to choose 1? What would be your favorite?
3:02  Speaker 4:  HRT,
3:02  Speaker 4:  probably.
3:03  Speaker 4:  Because it's very complicated and I like complicated stuff. I like to figure stuff out.
3:09  Speaker 2:  Yeah, that's good. You kind of seem like that type of person.
3:13  Speaker 2:  In regards to that, let's touch on that for a little bit. So in regards to that, what are you seeing? What are some of the reasons why people's hormones are so out of whack these days? I mean, you're talking young 20 year olds are
3:26  Speaker 2:  even like low on testosterone and things like that. Do you have an idea of what you think is some of the issues with people
3:34  Speaker 2:  going on? Young
3:35  Speaker 4:  people?
3:36  Speaker 4:  Well, we have to look at their metabolic profile because
3:40  Speaker 4:  lots of people are unfortunate. What I see in my practice of a 30 year old man with testosterone of 2 50, most likely I see him carrying
3:50  Speaker 4:  some extra weight.
3:52  Speaker 2:  Okay, so you think it's the weight thing?
3:56  Speaker 2:  When I started doing the fitness channel, for me, I started to have a lot of men pull their
4:01  Speaker 2:  blood work
4:02  Speaker 2:  and I marketed
4:04  Speaker 2:  towards men 40, right? I'm 40,
4:07  Speaker 2:  so it seemed smart to do that, which was, and then as the channel grew, you know, younger men started to come in and, when they would talk to me about how they felt, you know, being tired and lethargic and all this stuff, I really started to question it thinking,
4:21  Speaker 2:  could it be their testosterone? No way. You know, like a 28 year old,
4:25  Speaker 2:  and I would have them
4:27  Speaker 2:  pull their blood work, thinking that was going to be it. And there was still just, I mean, the high majority of the men I ever had pull,
4:35  Speaker 2:  their blood work were literally under 300.
4:38  Speaker 2:  That's
4:39  Speaker 2:  and then not all of them were overweight.
4:42  Speaker 4:  Is it anything else in particular? You really just said it's the weight problem? No, I mean, there are a lot of factors. What I've seen after COVID,
4:49  Speaker 4:  lots and lots of men would get there to start for some reason. Is it the virus? Is it the vaccine? Is it the virus? There's
4:56  Speaker 4:  no research, right? But I do see a lot of men who had COVID, who had
5:02  Speaker 4:  vaccines,
5:03  Speaker 4:  but so they had COVID and they had vaccines. There
5:06  Speaker 4:  is a lot of conspiracy, but definitely
5:09  Speaker 4:  viral illness could have been the culprit of it.
5:13  Speaker 4:  Also,
5:16  Speaker 4:  if,
5:18  Speaker 4:  you know, if you have a I do have I do work with a lot of athletes.
5:22  Speaker 4:  They had concussions, many concussions,
5:25  Speaker 4:  their testosterone will be low because of the,
5:28  Speaker 4:  what is it, the trauma induced endocrine dysfunction.
5:33  Speaker 2:  You see professional athletes? Are they you seeing their testosterone
5:38  Speaker 2:  low as well? Some
5:40  Speaker 4:  of them, yes. Mostly I see them for
5:43  Speaker 4:  intra articular injections because I
5:46  Speaker 4:  I am also trained with orthopedics and I can perform intraarticular injections and I treat mostly their knees.
5:53  Speaker 4:  Okay.
5:56  Speaker 2:  You see
5:57  Speaker 2:  these days
5:59  Speaker 2:  men, even young men, talking about TRT,
6:02  Speaker 2:  they're running gear or TRT,
6:05  Speaker 2:  let's call it TRT because that's what they say. Now,
6:08  Speaker 2:  do you think that that many men,
6:12  Speaker 2:  even young men should be on testosterone replacement?
6:15  Speaker 4:  Because it's literally everywhere. It depends again, how young are they?
6:20  Speaker 4:  It depends what their testosterone and again,
6:23  Speaker 4:  testosterone,
6:24  Speaker 4:  that number doesn't give us much. If it's low, yes, course it's but we have to look at also LH and FSH, maybe it's primary hypogonadism.
6:32  Speaker 4:  We have to look at their estrogen, DHT. We have to look at their free testosterone. Free testosterone is the most important testosterone that the body can actually use.
6:41  Speaker 2:  Yes.
6:42  Speaker 2:  Why do you think that a lot of medical doctors don't run free testosterone? Do they not know that? Because it seems like-
6:49  Speaker 2:  no, like they would, when I would get a blood test from their own, they would, a lot of them would be coming back without free testosterone, which
6:58  Speaker 4:  Oh, maybe they are the insurance slaves insurance dictates what
7:02  Speaker 4:  the doctor can actually prescribe and what insurance is going to pay for.
7:07  Speaker 4:  If and listen, when the doctor have only 12 minutes to see the patient,
7:13  Speaker 4:  how the hell are you going to know the whole history? How the hell are you going to connect to the patient?
7:18  Speaker 4:  How? Is
7:19  Speaker 4:  we are moving towards personalized medicine and conventional medicine is far behind. I mean,
7:26  Speaker 4:  need to catch up a little bit.
7:28  Speaker 2:  Yeah, well, that's what I love that you're saying that because that's how we fix that because 1 of the things is that does frustrate me with Western medicine is just that meaning if we go into a doctor,
7:40  Speaker 2:  we give them
7:42  Speaker 2:  the respect that they're due, right? But if like we go in there and they just give us 2 seconds of 2 minutes of their time, they don't ask us any questions, even about sleep. How are you sleeping? Did somebody die? Or you know what I mean? And I just think they're really letting people down. That's like what I said when you came on, when I introduced you, it's so refreshing to see doctors now starting to branch out
8:03  Speaker 2:  into the world that you are. Do you think in regards to like peptides and whatnot,
8:11  Speaker 2:  they're going to start to push
8:14  Speaker 2:  Western medicine and pharmaceuticals
8:16  Speaker 2:  a little bit to the side at all? Or do you see them running neck and neck or
8:21  Speaker 2:  commingling? What would you say? I honestly,
8:25  Speaker 4:  I would like to believe that, but I still don't believe that it's going peptides are going to
8:31  Speaker 4:  you know what I mean. I don't it's who is going to
8:35  Speaker 4:  benefit from that? Listen,
8:37  Speaker 4:  0.5 of the population probably of The United States is using
8:41  Speaker 4:  Tirzepatide or any of the GLP agonists, not from the doctor's office, from the gray market, from compounding pharmacy,
8:47  Speaker 4:  and their blood pressure going up, going down,
8:51  Speaker 4:  their A1C going down, they're getting healthier, so they and people see that the conventional medicine unfortunately fails them.
9:00  Speaker 4:  And so they need a practitioner,
9:02  Speaker 4:  maybe you work with the practitioners like that, I am that practitioner who sits with the patient for about 40 minutes and talks about their habits, their That's awesome. If
9:12  Speaker 4:  they sleep, exactly, the sleep is the major factor for testosterone and growth hormone Exercise,
9:19  Speaker 4:  you know, if you sit down, if you in IT and you sit down your ass all day long and you haven't been in the gym for months, what testosterone are we talking about? I mean, you do have to contract some of your muscles.
9:32  Speaker 4:  So you're a big advocate of
9:34  Speaker 4:  resistance training, obviously sleep and cortisol and things like that. The food, what we eat.
9:40  Speaker 4:  Will the conventional doctor ask you, what is it that you eat? Do you eat well? Nothing, ever.
9:46  Speaker 4:  Exactly.
9:48  Speaker 2:  I mean, we can cure ourselves to a degree with food, but it's, it's difficult these days just because even the food is genetically modified and seed oils and everything. I think there's a big move,
9:58  Speaker 2:  even the, you know, the growth of this podcast, we're just 2 dudes that like to talk about supplements and we just love it, you know, and it's been a passion and it's just, God's put his hand on it. It's grown because people are just seeking something different. So it's such a blessing.
10:11  Speaker 2:  You know, but you being a doctor and being a lot farther, you know, more intelligent than us, That's why it's so rad to have you on the show just because I know people listen to this and especially with women because women kind of got a raw deal when it came to like hormones and whatnot. That's starting to come around.
10:30  Speaker 2:  Ladies, you don't have to feel like crap. You're supposed to have a sex drive. You're supposed to feel good, right? Doc, tell us a little bit about the ladies,
10:38  Speaker 2:  because there's so many
10:40  Speaker 2:  that listen,
10:42  Speaker 2:  what are some of the symptoms that you're going to see where their hormones are just not right and they think they're just getting old? Well, yeah, we're all going to get old, but we don't have to feel like we're old, right?
10:53  Speaker 4:  Oh, ladies, ladies, it's an orchestra. When I look at women's hormones, it's really not 1 thing. You know, for men, when you prescribe testosterone,
11:01  Speaker 4:  great. For women,
11:03  Speaker 4:  it's estrogen, it's progesterone, it's testosterone, it's GHK, it's quartz. I mean, it's an orchestra and I'm the what that person that does the work, you know? Conductor. Conductor.
11:13  Speaker 4:  So
11:15  Speaker 4:  the symptoms usually are
11:17  Speaker 4:  irritability,
11:18  Speaker 4:  very hard
11:20  Speaker 4:  to fall asleep and stay
11:22  Speaker 4:  asleep,
11:23  Speaker 4:  low libido, I mean, is the major 1, inability to build muscle.
11:28  Speaker 4:  There is no desire to go to the gym, is no desire to do things that they usually do. And honestly, testosterone is underrated hormone for women. I am, you know, I give testosterone to almost all my perimenopausal and menopausal women.
11:44  Speaker 4:  And it makes a huge difference, huge difference. Not the palate,
11:48  Speaker 4:  I will never advocate
11:50  Speaker 4:  for the palates.
11:51  Speaker 4:  Injectables or the creams,
11:53  Speaker 4:  we can do women can inject testosterone if you order testosterone from a compounding pharmacy and they have the specific formulation, it's 20 mg/ml
12:02  Speaker 4:  instead of 200 mg/ml
12:04  Speaker 4:  for men.
12:06  Speaker 4:  Is also estrogen, you know, have you heard now there is a shortage of patches, estrogen patches
12:13  Speaker 4:  in America, what?
12:16  Speaker 4:  So now, and you know, nobody talks about estrogen in injectable form, but there is estrogen siponet or
12:23  Speaker 4:  Depo estrogen that you can order also from a compounding pharmacy. And you can have that woman to inject maybe once or twice a week together with testosterone.
12:33  Speaker 4:  I mean, dosages are again depends on the specific individual and their but blood
12:38  Speaker 4:  we can solve those problems. You don't have to suffer through menopause. You don't have to suffer from
12:44  Speaker 4:  mood swings and, you know, and most of the doctors I have so many women patients who come to me because they were prescribed antidepressant for their menopausal symptoms my instead of god, estrogen or testosterone.
12:56  Speaker 4:  Are you kidding me? And they come and they still have the same symptoms. I can have sex with my husband, but I'm on SSRI. How
13:03  Speaker 4:  SSRI will kill your libido?
13:06  Speaker 4:  Man, what did you do? Right? It will kill your libido. But yet they were giving SSRI instead of estrogen or testosterone and testosterone, right?
13:15  Speaker 2:  It's a mess out there. It's honestly a mess. It really is. I know this is gonna be a vague question. So, gals come in for the most part. What are you seeing is the biggest problem in their blood work? Is that too vague to
13:28  Speaker 2:  ask that? Like, what are some of the main problems? Like if it's men, it's testosterone, So,
13:34  Speaker 2:  is there like a,
13:37  Speaker 2:  like on average what you're seeing women and it's just kind of their hormones are out of whack Well, depends if it's a perimenopause
13:44  Speaker 4:  or a menopause. Let's say a woman entered the menopause. Now, lots of things are going to be down and you can see that estrogen is around 10 or less than 10. You can see testosterone is on the floor. You can see their DHEA is very low.
13:59  Speaker 4:  You can see their cholesterol is high, very high, because why? Your liver makes 80% of cholesterol. Your liver makes cholesterol to synthesize your hormones. Your liver,
14:10  Speaker 4:  I guess, doesn't get the message that hormones are no longer being synthesized,
14:15  Speaker 4:  because
14:15  Speaker 4:  it keeps receiving the signal that hormones are low, so it produces cholesterol. It keeps producing
14:21  Speaker 4:  the same amount of cholesterol,
14:23  Speaker 4:  hormones, our brain is not listening, the ovaries are empty, so there's nothing to make. And that's why in menopause we see rise in cholesterol.
14:32  Speaker 4:  And what do people, other practitioners do? They give them statins instead of giving them Oh my I was gonna say that, you know they're getting them statins. Oh my gosh. Could give them hormones and I can see in 3 to 6 months their lipid profile goes from here to here.
14:48  Speaker 4:  It really gets stabilized.
14:50  Speaker 4:  That's what's called hormone optimization
14:52  Speaker 4:  when we optimize
14:55  Speaker 4:  the system. When So we optimize the hormonal system, but again if a woman's overweight,
15:00  Speaker 4:  it's an orchestra,
15:02  Speaker 4:  we have to work on a lot of things.
15:05  Speaker 4:  If a woman I
15:08  Speaker 2:  didn't mean to cut you off. Sorry. Ahead, go ahead. Well, I was saying though that like that's, that's life though, right? Like, like if you want to feel great, sometimes it's going to take a little while to unwind
15:18  Speaker 2:  some stuff. I mean, Will and I talk, you know, a lot about men, but, we call it the sweet spot and that's meaning basically hormonally optimized and that sweet spot changes, you know, like for example, for me, I've found like 180 mg of testosterone
15:31  Speaker 2:  seems to be my sweet spot. And what I mean by that is where I feel the best. Sex drive is good,
15:38  Speaker 2:  but you change as you age, you've, you know, like I've, I've talked about it on this podcast, so you haven't heard it, but I
15:46  Speaker 2:  hit 49 man. I just went and it just knocked me the hell out of my sweet spot. The last, a good 6 months or so, I've just been really trying to figure out some of the things going on. You know, I think a lot of stuff stemming from gut,
16:00  Speaker 2:  my gut, and
16:01  Speaker 2:  it takes a lot of time. Like for example, it's no fun to do blood work. It's no fun to do stool tests, but you know it's worth it when you feel good.
16:10  Speaker 2:  You know, you can feel great at 49,
16:13  Speaker 2:  you know, just people have just succumbed to the fact that, oh, I'm getting old.
16:17  Speaker 4:  So yeah. Can I ask you a question? I love it. So 180
16:21  Speaker 4:  mg a week, how do you inject? Do you inject once a week, twice a week, 3 times a week, every other day? What's your regimen?
16:28  Speaker 2:  Yeah, it's a great question. It changes to how much I like to pin, as we say, inject. Generally Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I've done it all every day
16:38  Speaker 2:  microdose. I've done it once a week because I'm just tired of sticking and lineal in my butt.
16:43  Speaker 2:  It obviously daily is going to be the best way to do it.
16:48  Speaker 2:  I don't feel the biggest difference. I mean, if I do it once a week, I mean, a lot of my
16:52  Speaker 2:  testosterone converts to estrogen fairly quickly. I've always been kind of Gino prone.
16:57  Speaker 2:  I'd spend under wraps now for like a long time. I've had my sweet spot down for quite some time, but, you know, like we tell our listeners, takes a lot of time to figure this stuff out. You know, I've done 140,
17:10  Speaker 2:  150,
17:11  Speaker 2:  200, which I knew was too much
17:13  Speaker 2:  and that's everybody. I would imagine women as well. So for example,
17:18  Speaker 2:  is there a general
17:20  Speaker 2:  rule of thumb for ladies? We've heard five-twelve,
17:24  Speaker 2:  is there a specific amount
17:26  Speaker 2:  of testosterone
17:28  Speaker 2:  that
17:29  Speaker 2:  would be where you would start? I know it's blood work, but like, you know, when are you too high? Because I know women are gonna think that they're going to start looking like a man and feeling like a man. That's not true, but give us some ideas on ladies that don't know much about this subject.
17:43  Speaker 2:  How are they going to feel when they get their hormones in line? And is there like kind of an idea, like how much a woman would run?
17:52  Speaker 4:  Sure.
17:53  Speaker 4:  So I'm going to give me I'm going to have
17:57  Speaker 4:  me as an example instead of my patients because I am 43 and I am perimenopausal.
18:02  Speaker 4:  Yay!
18:04  Speaker 4:  And my testosterone
18:06  Speaker 4:  was slowly going down, and 3 months ago it just dropped.
18:12  Speaker 4:  And I decided not to use the cream, decided to inject myself with testosterone. And so how did I feel prior to the injections?
18:21  Speaker 4:  Definitely no libido,
18:23  Speaker 4:  definitely that went out the way, and I married.
18:26  Speaker 4:  And I was like, I had no desire.
18:28  Speaker 4:  And my husband is like, What? You're 43. I'm like, Yeah.
18:33  Speaker 4:  And so
18:34  Speaker 4:  that's what the
18:36  Speaker 4:  fatigue,
18:37  Speaker 4:  probably fatigue would be crash in the middle of the day. And I would think that it was my sugar. And I would stick my finger and see,
18:45  Speaker 4:  hypoglycemic? Am
18:47  Speaker 4:  What's happening?
18:48  Speaker 4:  So before I realized it was testosterone,
18:51  Speaker 4:  even my testosterone though
18:53  Speaker 4:  was
18:54  Speaker 4:  in range, if you look at the laboratory range, it was in range for me, my estrogen is dropping,
19:00  Speaker 4:  my progesterone has dropped, so I am on progesterone and testosterone. So
19:05  Speaker 4:  I am injecting testosterone twice a week.
19:08  Speaker 4:  I use testosterone again with MCT oil, it's very easy to drop with insulin syringe, I inject 2 mg,
19:15  Speaker 4:  2 to 3 mg Monday and Thursday,
19:18  Speaker 4:  right now. Okay. I can increase, maybe
19:21  Speaker 4:  in the future I will increase it when my estrogen goes down to shit, let's say, and I need a little bit more testosterone to aromatize into estrogen,
19:30  Speaker 4:  I'll do that. Again, I have to it has to be with labs. It to
19:37  Speaker 4:  be monitored because
19:39  Speaker 4:  then I lost And testosterone for
19:42  Speaker 4:  definitely within 3 weeks, I did feel
19:45  Speaker 4:  much better. And I feel great now.
19:48  Speaker 2:  Come here, Yes,
19:50  Speaker 4:  I tell you that.
19:52  Speaker 4:  So I am for testosterone. That's good though. A few years ago, I was against the testosterone injections,
19:57  Speaker 4:  but now I'm not.
19:59  Speaker 4:  The reason What why I was do you think
20:03  Speaker 3:  I was going to ask you, compare the cream versus testosterone, but finish. Finish yours.
20:08  Speaker 4:  So, why I was against the testosterone? Because I saw a lot of women athletes
20:13  Speaker 4:  who really were injecting
20:16  Speaker 4:  enormous amounts where their voice would change, where they started growing hair on their chin,
20:21  Speaker 4:  but they would compete.
20:23  Speaker 4:  Were, you know, they needed for the stage. I was like, wow, I cannot support that as a practitioner. I was like, no.
20:30  Speaker 4:  And they will get testosterone on the ground, obviously. But
20:34  Speaker 4:  the more I speak to women and
20:37  Speaker 4:  I have women who are injecting 10 to 15 mg a week and their testosterone is still normal, so nothing goes really crazy. So it depends on how you metabolize it. Go ahead and ask the question. Sure.
20:49  Speaker 3:  Yeah, sure. Okay, my question,
20:52  Speaker 3:  compare what do you think what do you like better and compare testosterone
20:56  Speaker 3:  cream versus injections?
20:58  Speaker 3:  Do you find do you see the cream?
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21:46  Speaker 3:  doing much?
21:49  Speaker 3:  For men, women, etcetera.
21:51  Speaker 4:  For men, probably it's better to do injections because they sweat more.
21:58  Speaker 0:  But
21:59  Speaker 0:  again,
22:00  Speaker 4:  I have women who are afraid of needles. If they're afraid of needles, they can only use cream. We have vaginal cream, we have transdermal.
22:07  Speaker 4:  Do the number? Yes, the numbers go up. You have to just have the larger
22:13  Speaker 4:  percentage of testosterone in the cream to reach the therapeutic dose.
22:17  Speaker 4:  But it does work, it does work. But
22:20  Speaker 4:  in most of my women, for some reason, prefer cream because, again, injecting, it's not a common thing, you know, if I do say I do inject, but
22:29  Speaker 4:  it's my personal opinion, I don't have to put it on my patient.
22:34  Speaker 2:  Yeah,
22:35  Speaker 2:  I had a, I was doing another podcast with a gal that she's a police officer and I won't say, well, I know she's listened to this. What's up, Brandy? She came on the show and you told her story basically, you know, she was going to doctor to doctor. I can't remember if they put her on antidepressants or whatnot, but they were just
22:52  Speaker 2:  not helping her in any way. And
22:56  Speaker 2:  I
22:57  Speaker 2:  think that she heard a podcast, I don't remember exactly what was it, but she'd finally went to the doctor that actually started running her hormones
23:03  Speaker 2:  and the long story short is she feels great. You know, she thought something's wrong with her. She didn't want to have sex with her husband and all this stuff. Like we think that that's just what happens when you get older.
23:14  Speaker 2:  It's just not, you know, you just got to get these things in line. Do you know what is a,
23:19  Speaker 2:  what's like a, you say in range, so like in range is what, like $2.50 to
23:26  Speaker 2:  500 or something for men. What is an actual healthy range?
23:31  Speaker 2:  Higher than a LL-1R. Well, I'm saying from a like a doctor, if like you, they pull your blood work and they see you at Yes.
23:38  Speaker 2:  They'll say you're in range.
23:39  Speaker 4:  Exactly.
23:40  Speaker 4:  They see for if I see a 40 year old man with testosterone of 4 50,
23:46  Speaker 4:  a free testosterone of 8,
23:48  Speaker 4:  I'd say you're not in range.
23:50  Speaker 4:  But conventional doctors, absolutely,
23:52  Speaker 4:  they look at the laboratory range, they look at their lab, and the lab says that 700 is the top, and you should, you know, it's and I have a patient who had his natural testosterone of 7 20 and
24:05  Speaker 4:  he's like, My doctor said I have to detox. I'm like, How do you detox?
24:10  Speaker 4:  Mean, you're 40
24:11  Speaker 4:  years old, your testosterone is 7 20. Oh my god. High 5! But how are we going to Did do
24:18  Speaker 4:  he answer that? Did he tell you how? Tell me. That's fine. No,
24:22  Speaker 4:  no, not. He didn't say. I mean, she just left the doctor. The doctor was
24:27  Speaker 4:  scared. He said, this is not right. This is
24:31  Speaker 4:  I
24:31  Speaker 4:  don't believe you're not injecting. And the guy didn't inject. I mean, just 1 patient I have that with the natural testosterone of that number at 42 or 40 And 3
24:41  Speaker 4:  his primary carer was like, What? He was afraid. He fired him as a patient because he didn't believe he didn't inject. And how do you look
24:50  Speaker 4:  at his LH and FSH and it's not suppressed? That's how you know he's not injecting.
24:54  Speaker 4:  Like seriously, are you the doctor? If a person injects testosterone, your balls are going to be shut down. And I mean, this is a common knowledge among medical professionals, but his doctor looked at,
25:06  Speaker 4:  but I guess he didn't run even LH and FSH because all they do probably run,
25:10  Speaker 4:  and he looked at testosterone.
25:12  Speaker 4:  Then 3, testosterone was there actually. Then I ran his panel and his LH and FSH was normal, I said, Take this blood work, go to your primary if you still want to have a primary because of your insurance, and say, I don't inject testosterone. And I was
25:26  Speaker 4:  willing to write a letter to the doctor
25:29  Speaker 4:  to tell him that this patient did not inject anything and we have evidence. Look at his estrogen, look at his LH and FSH, nothing is suppressed. That's his natural production.
25:38  Speaker 4:  You should be happy for this guy.
25:41  Speaker 3:  That's unreal. Unreal. So back to women, is there any so for all of the low low estrogen,
25:48  Speaker 3:  progesterone,
25:49  Speaker 3:  DHEA,
25:51  Speaker 3:  testosterone, is there any specific symptoms? What I'm trying to get at is, is there any way for a woman who's listening
25:57  Speaker 3:  to, I don't know, I know we don't really want to self diagnose, but is there specific symptoms
26:01  Speaker 3:  for each 1 of those?
26:03  Speaker 3:  Or are they kind of all the same symptoms?
26:07  Speaker 4:  No, with estrogen, of course. If you have very low estrogen, you will have hot flashes.
26:12  Speaker 4:  You'll sweat like crazy. You will have the mood swings, if you're low on progesterone,
26:18  Speaker 4:  you will not stay asleep during the night, you will be very anxious, you will be restless,
26:22  Speaker 4:  if your testosterone is low, you'll have no motivation, you'll have no libido, you have no energy to get up and do things, especially you cannot, you know, women who were exercising and their testosterone dropped, they don't want to go to the gym. So I would say those are the common ones I can name. DHEA though, your
26:44  Speaker 4:  body decides when you take DHEA, your body whether to convert DHEA to estrogen or to testosterone,
26:50  Speaker 4:  or do nothing with that. So some women, and we have a new study that came out postmenopausal
26:54  Speaker 4:  women taking DHEA,
26:57  Speaker 4:  so when you take DHEA,
26:59  Speaker 4:  and it's large numbers, I don't remember exact milligrams, but it increases your testosterone and estrogen, not for every woman, but if your metabolism, if you metabolize hormones
27:09  Speaker 4:  good,
27:10  Speaker 4:  then it will help you, but not everybody
27:13  Speaker 4:  can respond to DHEA again.
27:15  Speaker 3:  Okay,
27:16  Speaker 3:  interesting. So, here's a kind of off topic.
27:20  Speaker 3:  I've had women and my girlfriend, my fiance is 1 of them, but several others that say, Oh, I like taking
27:27  Speaker 3:  semaglutide, trisepatide better because that lowers my inflammation, whereas Reta doesn't. Is there like
27:34  Speaker 3:  any scientific
27:36  Speaker 3:  Does that make any sense to you? Yes,
27:38  Speaker 4:  of course, because of glucagon. It's thermogenic.
27:41  Speaker 4:  Glucagon, I don't think that when
27:44  Speaker 4:  ARA-1RERA comes out, right,
27:46  Speaker 4:  November should be December,
27:49  Speaker 4:  and there will be we would need more studies, because I have a scientific background. I understand pathways, I understand biology,
27:57  Speaker 4:  molecular pathways, receptor modulation.
28:01  Speaker 4:  ARA-three
28:02  Speaker 4:  receptors,
28:03  Speaker 4:  it acts on 3 receptors. Glucagon,
28:05  Speaker 4:  1 of the receptors that can
28:08  Speaker 4:  be pro inflammatory in people with autoimmune conditions.
28:13  Speaker 4:  I do have a few patients with Hashimoto's
28:16  Speaker 4:  who
28:17  Speaker 4:  buy Reta,
28:19  Speaker 4:  you know, somewhere,
28:20  Speaker 4:  and their Hashimoto gotten worse.
28:23  Speaker 4:  But on tirzepatide,
28:25  Speaker 4:  they were on tirzepatide.
28:26  Speaker 4:  They would get it from me, but then they because, you know, internet talks about a lot of things and they're like, Retrite is going to be great. I don't think it's going to be great with people without immune disease. I think tirzepatide
28:37  Speaker 4:  will stay
28:39  Speaker 4:  as a main
28:40  Speaker 4:  GLP
28:42  Speaker 4:  drug for patients with autoimmune conditions,
28:46  Speaker 4:  endometriosis
28:47  Speaker 4:  and
28:48  Speaker 4:  such, you know, Hashimoto's,
28:50  Speaker 4:  psoriasis,
28:52  Speaker 4:  rheumatoid arthritis. I have patients
28:54  Speaker 4:  on rheumatoid arthritis and psoriatic arthritis
28:58  Speaker 4:  who
28:59  Speaker 4:  take tirzepatide microdosing
29:01  Speaker 4:  after 2 mg and they have symptoms relief.
29:06  Speaker 4:  Wow. That's really good to hear. Okay. That is cool. That's really that's helpful.
29:11  Speaker 3:  I'm curious about your athletes.
29:14  Speaker 3:  And I know BPC is on the water list. My guess is for years, as I know this, I mean,
29:20  Speaker 3:  that athletes have been using BPC.
29:23  Speaker 3:  What do you yeah, what do you do? I mean, you do orthopedic kind of injections with what peptides are we are you giving to athletes nowadays? If, again, if What do they like? What's good? Try to use peptides when they're well, they only use peptides off season
29:38  Speaker 4:  when
29:39  Speaker 4:  they cannot be tested, and they do use BPC, they use TB,
29:44  Speaker 4:  they use Thymosin Alpha,
29:46  Speaker 4:  and we do intra articular injections with stem cells and hyaluronic acid to provide cushioning.
29:52  Speaker 4:  But yes, everybody,
29:54  Speaker 4:  if they don't get it from me, they get it off.
29:57  Speaker 4:  Yeah, everybody. Listen, it's
29:59  Speaker 4:  not secret. When people say there is no evidence that BPC does anything, trust me, the whole
30:06  Speaker 4:  Olympic world
30:07  Speaker 4:  has been using it for the past since,
30:10  Speaker 4:  what, 1997.
30:13  Speaker 4:  Yeah.
30:14  Speaker 3:  Right. Yeah. Why is it banned? Why does WADA ban why did WADA ban BPC? Well, WADA bans stuff for 2 reasons. 1st, because it enhances
30:24  Speaker 4:  the performance.
30:26  Speaker 3:  2nd, because -MATT: There you go. It is
30:29  Speaker 4:  toxic.
30:30  Speaker 4:  -MATT: Yeah.
30:32  Speaker 3:  And do you think that BPC is toxic? Like, this 1 strikes me as like, it just gives those who have enough money in to do it maybe an unfair advantage because they recover faster. But it's not bad. It's not banning it, like,
30:44  Speaker 4:  because it's hurting people. You know that it's not hurting people because I'm sure you know hundreds and hundreds of people who are injecting BPC.
30:52  Speaker 4:  And I been
30:54  Speaker 4:  prescribing
30:55  Speaker 4:  and you can
30:57  Speaker 4:  I'm fine with this, don't have to cut it so I have been prescribing peptides
31:02  Speaker 4:  since COVID times.
31:05  Speaker 4:  But again, I used to prescribe those peptides, those that were on category 1 when they were moved from category 2 to category 1,
31:12  Speaker 4:  and the
31:13  Speaker 4:  most prescribed peptide in my practice was BPC and TB. Sure, of course. It's
31:19  Speaker 4:  It's from kind of the an athlete to an same
31:24  Speaker 4:  It's It's
31:26  Speaker 4:  thing.
31:27  Speaker 4:  Of
31:35  Speaker 4:  I have 1 patient that actually went blind on 1 eye after that. Really? She's
31:41  Speaker 4:  not my patient, it's a mother of my patient
31:44  Speaker 4:  who,
31:45  Speaker 4:  you know,
31:46  Speaker 4:  to, without
31:49  Speaker 4:  talking to the doctor. And I always actually speak to patients and I ask them about their current conditions,
31:55  Speaker 4:  if there was a malignancy ever, if there is any chronic conditions, and diabetic retinopathy
32:02  Speaker 4:  is not good with angiogenesis.
32:04  Speaker 4:  It promotes what BPC does, it can promote but
32:07  Speaker 4:  BPC promotes angiogenesis
32:09  Speaker 4:  where it hurts.
32:12  Speaker 4:  Diabetic
32:13  Speaker 4:  retinopathy,
32:13  Speaker 4:  it hurts there.
32:15  Speaker 4:  If they take the cocktail of 3, that's going to be really not good.
32:20  Speaker 4:  We cannot say that, cannot, I cannot say that, that yes, this is it, because we don't have research confirming my words.
32:28  Speaker 4:  Is again another real world evidence where a patient's mother of a patient of mine decided to inject it for and
32:36  Speaker 4:  went blind.
32:39  Speaker 4:  Nobody can prove it was BPC and TB and copper just because the doctor
32:45  Speaker 4:  we can prove it, we can't because we don't have, but we do know what she's been on and what have changed
32:52  Speaker 4:  in her regimen. What
32:54  Speaker 2:  are you seeing out there in the good old social media world that we all live in mindlessly scrolling?
33:00  Speaker 2:  Or is there anything that's driving you crazy that that's all through social media that when you see it, you just want to scream like,
33:07  Speaker 2:  is there anything that's driving you crazy?
33:09  Speaker 4:  Yes.
33:10  Speaker 4:  You
33:12  Speaker 4:  know, the glow skin, the glow, glow, glow skin,
33:16  Speaker 4:  it cannot glow. And
33:18  Speaker 4:  to be honest, for me,
33:22  Speaker 4:  overhyped.
33:23  Speaker 4:  It's really overhyped. And
33:26  Speaker 4:  I have tried myself, and I've tried every peptide on the market, well,
33:31  Speaker 4:  that were in category 1.
33:33  Speaker 4:  Haven't tried any of the peptides that like PE-2228,
33:37  Speaker 4:  the antidepressant that blocks the TRK-one channel in your brain and, you know, leads to ischemia. Do not try that peptide. You shouldn't.
33:45  Speaker 4:  That's
33:48  Speaker 4:  I think MOTS-3s overhyped.
33:50  Speaker 4:  I think MOTS-1s be
33:52  Speaker 4:  beneficial
33:53  Speaker 4:  with really obese type 2, type 1 diabetic, but not for younger population,
33:59  Speaker 4:  because you already have MOTS-3s in you. You produce MOTS- if you're a dream rat, you produce enough MOTS-1C.
34:06  Speaker 2:  Interesting.
34:07  Speaker 2:  So I was gonna ask you 1 of the questions if we got to it. Did you think that running SS-31and
34:12  Speaker 2:  MOTS-1C together was good or SS-31first,
34:16  Speaker 4:  then MOTS-1C? But it's absolutely, so MOTS-3.2
34:19  Speaker 4:  acts on the you're saying not MOTS-3.1 No, I mean, what does MOTS-3.2 does
34:25  Speaker 4:  not really give you healthy mitochondria,
34:27  Speaker 4:  it reroutes the energy.
34:29  Speaker 4:  It really we do not have evidence. Again, people who say,
34:34  Speaker 4:  but mechanistically,
34:35  Speaker 4:  I looked at every MOTS-3C study.
34:38  Speaker 4:  Well,
34:39  Speaker 4:  let's say every, like 80%, I would say, study that I've read about MOTS-3C.
34:44  Speaker 4:  And I do not see where
34:47  Speaker 4:  would it make your mitochondria or
34:50  Speaker 4:  make more mitochondria. People say MOTS-3C will make more mitochondria.
34:56  Speaker 4:  Tell me how. If you say that, please tell me how from the scientific standpoint, from the molecular
35:04  Speaker 4:  standpoint,
35:04  Speaker 4:  how it can make more it can.
35:07  Speaker 4:  Your mitochondria
35:08  Speaker 4:  can make more MOTS-C, but MOTS-3C cannot make more mitochondria.
35:12  Speaker 4:  Now SS-thirty
35:13  Speaker 4:  1, what does it do? It stabilizes
35:15  Speaker 4:  cardiolipin,
35:16  Speaker 4:  the membrane.
35:20  Speaker 4:  Inside
35:21  Speaker 4:  of cell there is a mitochondria,
35:23  Speaker 4:  inside that mitochondria there is a phospholipid bilayer that's stabilized by cardiolipin,
35:27  Speaker 4:  and this is how ATP is produced.
35:30  Speaker 4:  So SS-thirty 1 stabilizes the membrane,
35:35  Speaker 4:  so the ATP production is more stable.
35:39  Speaker 4:  It's a great peptide.
35:40  Speaker 4:  I think SS-thirty 1 every
35:42  Speaker 4:  person over 40 should
35:45  Speaker 4:  try SS-thirty
35:46  Speaker 4:  1.
35:47  Speaker 2:  Because
35:48  Speaker 4:  I think it's going
35:50  Speaker 4:  to be the longevity peptides,
35:52  Speaker 4:  the anti aging peptides, it's going to be tirzepatide,
35:56  Speaker 4:  SS-thirty
35:57  Speaker 4:  1, maybe something else, but
36:01  Speaker 4:  for me those 2 are the main longevity
36:04  Speaker 4:  peptides.
36:06  Speaker 2:  Are you allowed to talk about dosages?
36:09  Speaker 2:  Can you say the dosages you would recommend on No, well, yes, SS-31let's
36:13  Speaker 4:  look at the dosage. The dosage that we
36:18  Speaker 4:  Barth syndrome, I think they inject him from 50 to 150
36:21  Speaker 4:  mg, right, per dose. Now we have to extrapolate that into the regular person.
36:26  Speaker 4:  How do we know how much to inject? 1 mg, 5 mg,
36:31  Speaker 4:  10 mg? I tried 1 mg, I tried 5 mg, I tried 15 mg, I tried 30. I felt the same. Felt no difference.
36:39  Speaker 4:  But
36:41  Speaker 4:  all the research that as a biologist,
36:45  Speaker 4:  if you're healthy, well,
36:47  Speaker 4:  you're not healthy, if you're over 40 and we do know that the aging process starts,
36:53  Speaker 4:  your hormones go
36:55  Speaker 4:  to walk,
36:56  Speaker 4:  I think 5 to 10 mg daily
36:59  Speaker 4:  for 3 months,
37:01  Speaker 4:  you could entertain that.
37:02  Speaker 4:  And I would also suggest do the blood work before and after. Look at your white blood cell, look at your red blood cell, look at your inflammatory markers,
37:11  Speaker 4:  look at your
37:13  Speaker 4:  protein and cholesterol and kidney, because
37:16  Speaker 4:  SS-thirty 1 is now being studied
37:18  Speaker 4:  for cardiac health, for kidney, renal health and
37:23  Speaker 4:  with some eye disorder. Now the research is being done, so I believe, I think SS-thirty
37:29  Speaker 4:  1 is not overhyped, is a great peptide. We just
37:34  Speaker 4:  we need to find out what are the exactly the dosage, what is the because it's
37:39  Speaker 4:  an expensive peptide.
37:40  Speaker 4:  My
37:41  Speaker 4:  cost is very high and
37:44  Speaker 4:  the vial that I get from combining pharmacy has
37:47  Speaker 4:  300 mg, I believe, it's 50 mg/ml
37:51  Speaker 4:  and you get 6 mg there.
37:53  Speaker 4:  And my patients inject between 5 and 10 mg.
37:57  Speaker 4:  Some women do report that they feel more energy.
38:01  Speaker 4:  Some people say they feel nothing.
38:03  Speaker 4:  50 percent of people is going to say it's going to do something, for other people 50% they say it's going
38:09  Speaker 4:  to do nothing. But with MOTS-3C,
38:12  Speaker 4:  I have now 2 people who went with anaphylactic
38:15  Speaker 4:  shock after the reintroduction
38:17  Speaker 4:  of MOTS-3C.
38:18  Speaker 4:  So that's interesting.
38:19  Speaker 4:  They should research. Why is that?
38:22  Speaker 2:  Yeah, we're seeing that a lot with CJC.
38:25  Speaker 2:  A lot of people have a huge, huge,
38:28  Speaker 2:  terrible reactions with CJC. I mean, it's often
38:31  Speaker 2:  enough to where it seems like it was a problem
38:34  Speaker 2:  that compound in particular.
38:36  Speaker 2:  So
38:37  Speaker 2:  that's awesome. I love hearing about that. Any other ones that you do not like that you think the internet is over hyping? Let's talk a few about a few more of those. So you think MOTS-1C is all hype. What else?
38:49  Speaker 2:  I know people don't wanna hear this.
38:53  Speaker 4:  Okay. Think
38:55  Speaker 2:  it's worthless? Why?
38:56  Speaker 4:  Well,
38:57  Speaker 4:  tell me, what's IGF LR3?
39:01  Speaker 3:  It just it is
39:03  Speaker 3:  the pure form, but not that long acting of your actual
39:07  Speaker 3:  insulin like growth factor. It's very long acting. It's mean, the longest it's a longer acting than, yeah, the DES,
39:13  Speaker 3:  but it's still not -That.
39:15  Speaker 4:  A C. Long acting.
39:18  Speaker 4:  IGF-4L-3. But
39:19  Speaker 4:  there's
39:20  Speaker 4:  Okay, why don't I like IGF-4L-three?
39:23  Speaker 4:  Because IGF
39:24  Speaker 4:  LR is complicated in tumor biology.
39:28  Speaker 4:  So add R3 there. And
39:31  Speaker 4:  so if you prolong prolonging stimulation of your IGF-one receptors and remember your IGF-one receptors in the heart muscle too.
39:40  Speaker 4:  So recent
39:43  Speaker 4:  research, the less your IGF,
39:45  Speaker 4:  well not yours but the mice, the longer they live. So now we have more and more emerging research stating that the lower IGF,
39:53  Speaker 4:  the longer you will live.
39:56  Speaker 2:  Interesting.
39:57  Speaker 2:  Well, that's cool.
39:58  Speaker 4:  There is a lot research.
40:00  Speaker 2:  What are some ones that you like? SS-thirty 1 you like? What was the other 1 that she was saying? Oh, was it BPC?
40:06  Speaker 3:  Yeah. I guess tell me what the thoughts on NAD. I know that, and I guess here's, I do have a bigger question on like NAD.
40:13  Speaker 3:  I know there's scientific research that says it shouldn't work injected, but like it works. It does work.
40:19  Speaker 3:  My broader question is how come there are a lot of these peptides where there's a, there's a lot of scientific evidence,
40:26  Speaker 3:  but it's not being accepted
40:29  Speaker 3:  in The United States. And then there's some with not much evidence and they are being accepted in Thymosin Alpha, which is like 1 of our favorites,
40:37  Speaker 3:  right? It's like, it's a patented, it's a drug, it's you know, in 30 some countries. Why the heck does The United States not
40:46  Speaker 4:  allow it? I don't understand the politics of medicine, honestly. I've never I don't. I was going to ask you guys, maybe you knew. But
40:53  Speaker 4:  again,
40:54  Speaker 4:  for me, if that drug is accepted
40:57  Speaker 4:  and works and approved in other countries, I would say it is safe to use.
41:03  Speaker 4:  Right. So SS-3D Thymosin
41:06  Speaker 4:  Alpha, Cmax,
41:08  Speaker 4:  listen, C Max and Selank has been forever.
41:12  Speaker 4:  And people in Russia have been using it for decades.
41:17  Speaker 4:  -People love it too. -Some people love you like them? Do you notice those? -I've tried it. I've never felt
41:23  Speaker 4:  any effects Yeah.
41:26  Speaker 2:  So you specialize, 1 of the things you specialize in that I read was like longevity.
41:31  Speaker 2:  So what would be a, what would be a stack that you would give somebody that is a healthy, let's say a 50 year old comes in and he's actually healthy. He's been exercising.
41:40  Speaker 2:  He eats right. He's a he's a fit dude.
41:43  Speaker 2:  What would be a stack that you would recommend?
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42:40  Speaker 2:  And for him to kind of extend
42:42  Speaker 2:  his life or at least to help him?
42:48  Speaker 4:  Well, testosterone would be there because if he is 40 something, his testosterone is already dropping, right? We don't have much 40 year olds with
42:57  Speaker 4:  testosterone over 4
42:59  Speaker 4:  50. So I would say
43:01  Speaker 4:  testosterone,
43:02  Speaker 4:  SS-thirty
43:03  Speaker 4:  1.
43:07  Speaker 4:  If he does exercise a lot and he needs recovery,
43:10  Speaker 4:  we would entertain BPC-one
43:12  Speaker 4:  157 and TB-five 100. And I do not like to use more than 3 peptides just to affect to see which 1 actually because
43:21  Speaker 4:  people do I usually give 1 peptide and I say, take this,
43:25  Speaker 4:  like an SS-31go
43:27  Speaker 4:  and
43:28  Speaker 4:  inject it for months and then come back to me and say if you felt anything.
43:32  Speaker 4:  And if you do feel anything, we can add, let's say, copper peptide.
43:37  Speaker 4:  And then
43:38  Speaker 4:  now you understand what is it that you're feeling,
43:41  Speaker 4:  because unfortunately online,
43:44  Speaker 4:  people selling stocks,
43:45  Speaker 4:  but people don't know other people's physiology.
43:48  Speaker 4:  You don't know what's Right. What you know and
43:51  Speaker 4:  listen, stocks are okay
43:54  Speaker 4:  when people use those peptides
43:56  Speaker 4:  independently
43:57  Speaker 4:  on its own to see what
44:00  Speaker 2:  get.
44:01  Speaker 4:  Now staffs listen, have the
44:04  Speaker 4:  if you look at BPC-157,
44:06  Speaker 4:  the research on mice,
44:08  Speaker 4:  what is the average dosages that we give to mice? From 2 50 to 500 micrograms, we give the same dosage, 500 micrograms,
44:16  Speaker 4:  to a man. How is that
44:18  Speaker 4:  normal? How
44:19  Speaker 4:  do we translate mice biology to humans? We can do that.
44:24  Speaker 4:  So we can't And do
44:26  Speaker 4:  I have
44:27  Speaker 4:  a guy who was I'm not going to tell him, he's in Canada.
44:32  Speaker 4:  His lab got
44:34  Speaker 4:  I think they closed his lab, but
44:37  Speaker 4:  he was injecting
44:38  Speaker 4:  intravenously
44:39  Speaker 4:  BPC
44:41  Speaker 4:  once a week, the whole vial of 15 mg.
44:45  Speaker 4:  Wow. 3 or 4 years ago, he would come to me
44:48  Speaker 4:  and he would like, I'm injecting that. And I was like, woah. And then he's like, did you read the research? And I'm like, no, let me And then I'm reading the research and damn, the mice would get 500 MCGs.
44:59  Speaker 4:  And now we're
45:00  Speaker 4:  people 500 MCGs.
45:02  Speaker 4:  And is it a placebo effect? No, because we do I do see people with some tendon injury.
45:09  Speaker 4:  Of course, if you have full tendon
45:11  Speaker 4:  tear, BPC is not going to connect the dots. But if you have partial tear,
45:16  Speaker 4:  you can see that it
45:18  Speaker 4:  helps
45:19  Speaker 4:  to
45:21  Speaker 4:  recover
45:22  Speaker 2:  quicker,
45:24  Speaker 4:  without using and I have tried on many athletes,
45:31  Speaker 4:  injections, without any manipulations with stem cells, just BPC,
45:35  Speaker 4:  just to see whether the ankle will heal faster.
45:39  Speaker 4:  With BPC than ibuprofen,
45:40  Speaker 4:  BPC heals it faster.
45:43  Speaker 4:  I mean, this is your real world evidence.
45:46  Speaker 3:  Absolutely.
45:47  Speaker 4:  But the dosages,
45:48  Speaker 4:  that's what I'm
45:50  Speaker 4:  still confused on the dosages, even though we do have those dosages from compounding pharmacies that they do have recommended
45:57  Speaker 4:  500 mcg's.
45:58  Speaker 4:  How long can you inject it for? Nobody else knows, but we come up with our own protocols.
46:05  Speaker 2:  Yeah.
46:06  Speaker 3:  Are you allowed to tell us what do
46:08  Speaker 3:  you, what do you give somebody if somebody's got a pro
46:11  Speaker 2:  athlete? Like, let's say he tears
46:13  Speaker 2:  a shoulder, not like, like horrible, but
46:17  Speaker 2:  you think
46:18  Speaker 4:  pro athlete is very knowledgeable. I don't need to tell him what to inject. He comes to me and he tells me, listen, this is what I need actually.
46:25  Speaker 4:  You're a pro athlete, you have a team of consultants and
46:29  Speaker 4:  they come to me and they say, Listen, I need these 3. I need copper, BPC and TB. I either get it from you or I'll get it from a guy in my team. And I go,
46:39  Speaker 4:  Sure, it from
46:43  Speaker 3:  How much?
46:44  Speaker 3:  How much? I don't know how much of BPC or how much of the how I'd much of say
46:51  Speaker 4:  the recommended dosages is 500 mcg's.
46:54  Speaker 4:  Whatever they do, they do.
46:56  Speaker 4:  Recommended dosages of copper peptide is 1 to 2 mg, but nobody can tolerate it higher. With that I don't have problems with the copper peptide. But BPC and TB,
47:06  Speaker 4:  we really don't. You know, I injected myself once,
47:10  Speaker 4:  0.5 of our intramuscular 7 mg of each just to see what's gonna happen.
47:15  Speaker 2:  Nothing happened. Wow. JD, tell her how much you did. So I had back surgery, when was that, Will, a year ago? Don't remember, a year ago, but anyways, I, I don't know. Do you know who Paul back to you are? No.
47:28  Speaker 2:  He's a good friend of ours. He speaks a lot of the conferences and whatnot, but anyways, he's a good friend of ours and a guy I respect heavily.
47:35  Speaker 2:  So he saw, know I was posting, I was in the hospital, blah, blah. And then I got out and, he calls me and says, I want to put you on protocol.
47:42  Speaker 2:  I put a lot of my pro athletes on,
47:45  Speaker 2:  at a microdiscectomy.
47:47  Speaker 2:  I said, okay, cool. And it was, 3 bottles of 10 mg,
47:51  Speaker 2:  TB-five hundred and BPC. So the blend,
47:54  Speaker 2:  3 bottles in the morning. So 30 megs, 2 bottles a night, then 20 megs. So 50 megs that day. And
48:00  Speaker 2:  then the 2nd day was 2 bottles. So 20 megs, 20 megs, 3rd day, 20 megs, 10 megs,
48:06  Speaker 2:  10 megs, 8 megs. So 5 days of just saturation.
48:09  Speaker 2:  And I was like, wow, that's a lot. I was going to take a lot anyway, but like, that's a lot. And luckily I, you know, I can get it and, it worked amazingly. I mean, I healed so fast that the surgeon's like, Wow!
48:21  Speaker 2:  Wow! You healed quickly. He's a guy that, you know, knows peptides and whatnot, not as much as you, you know?
48:29  Speaker 2:  But he was amazed,
48:31  Speaker 2:  you know? And, I was in the gym 2 weeks later. Now it was a microdiscectomy and you know, you heal fairly quickly from a microsecond to me, but I was in the gym 2 weeks later and felt amazing. It's crazy how fast that stuff works. I love it.
48:44  Speaker 4:  But also what I've noticed with peptides, the older you are, the less they work. I have
48:49  Speaker 4:  patients 50 and over who tried
48:52  Speaker 4:  BPC for their
48:55  Speaker 4:  shoulder problems with
48:58  Speaker 4:  rotator
48:59  Speaker 4:  cuff tears, and nothing healed,
49:01  Speaker 4:  nothing.
49:02  Speaker 4:  For 6 months they've injected BPC and TB, and I have few of those patients who
49:07  Speaker 4:  then got very disappointed with peptides. So I think it also
49:12  Speaker 4:  depends on your age,
49:14  Speaker 4:  depends on
49:15  Speaker 4:  if you're healthy.
49:17  Speaker 4:  So if you're healthy enough,
49:19  Speaker 4:  so not sure, but see, we have no vision. We don't have much. We do have people. I know people, you know people, we know lots of people, but we don't really dissect those people.
49:29  Speaker 4:  Didn't do the blood work, we didn't
49:32  Speaker 4:  study, and
49:33  Speaker 4:  I wish we'd had that research, but we won't, and we know that we won't.
49:38  Speaker 4:  Unless someone like you,
49:40  Speaker 4:  when you win the lottery and you decide to open your own scientific
49:44  Speaker 4:  laboratory
49:45  Speaker 4:  where you can conduct studies and invite me, I'll be
49:50  Speaker 4:  the
49:52  Speaker 4:  lab
49:53  Speaker 4:  person You're helping
49:55  Speaker 4:  hired.
49:56  Speaker 2:  We, I would imagine though being able to somewhat do your own research by just seeing people and how they heal. It's probably amazing. Like, I can
50:05  Speaker 2:  tell you love it. Isn't that cool? Because
50:08  Speaker 2:  we get to see people heal themselves with these things and you know, again, we've already talked about Western medicine, these things are actually helping
50:16  Speaker 2:  people because we see it, you know, we see
50:19  Speaker 4:  mid expediting injuries and whatnot. It's so awesome. But also we do need MRI studies prior and
50:26  Speaker 4:  during the treatment and after the treatment, but my patient
50:30  Speaker 4:  not patients
50:31  Speaker 4:  don't want to spend money, you know, if I because I have invited, I wanted to do my just a case study at my clinic.
50:39  Speaker 4:  And I said,
50:41  Speaker 4:  have again, I told the patient, listen, I'm going give you medication for free, but you have to pay for MRI. I want you to do the MRI now,
50:50  Speaker 4:  then in a month, then in 2 months, so you'll be on BPC for 6 months, let's say, and they had the partial tear, they refused, they don't want to spend money on MRI. Wow, that would be so cool. I encourage
51:02  Speaker 4:  people to do those studies because you can submit those studies
51:06  Speaker 4:  to scientific
51:08  Speaker 4:  journals.
51:09  Speaker 2:  That's awesome.
51:11  Speaker 2:  Oh man, I would imagine, hopefully there's going to be more and more and more people like you that are starting to do that because there's, you know, people that are in this world that we all, we all swim in. 1 thing that I love about it is that everybody's really sticking together, you know, just through the podcast and just, you know, just how things work, law of attraction, so to speak. We've just been able to meet a lot of people, you know, that are in this world and they all stick together, man. They all, they all helped each other. That's a passion
51:39  Speaker 2:  to help people get healthy and fix the world rather than, you know, where we were coming from, which we've already discussed. We'll leave it there. And it's awesome. I love seeing it. You know, I hope that,
51:50  Speaker 2:  I hope that you just being on here, there's some doctors that see you and that lights the fire and them to do the same, you know, like Western medicine's outdated to a degree. Listen, you break your arm. That's great. Go get some good, go get it like fixed. But like, you know, it's time to look at different stuff and unfortunately they don't have the studies.
52:10  Speaker 2:  Let's do them.
52:11  Speaker 2:  Let's someone's got to do them. You know, your doctor, let's do it. Like, I'd love it. I love that you're leading the way in this.
52:19  Speaker 2:  Yeah, man, that is so awesome.
52:22  Speaker 3:  I'd like to state that and get your opinion because I think I know where you stand though. We talk about all the time that like, Hey, peptides are great people, but like they're an optimization
52:31  Speaker 3:  tool and
52:34  Speaker 3:  the foundation is you actually exercising
52:37  Speaker 3:  and eating right.
52:39  Speaker 3:  And then you get to start seeing some magic happen, but
52:43  Speaker 3:  these are not for you to sit on the couch and do nothing, change nothing and just take a drug.
52:49  Speaker 4:  Thoughts on that? Do you agree with us? Absolutely. What's the most important thing? Most important thing is the muscle. Muscle is the foundation. It's the future. It's your investment
52:58  Speaker 4:  in your future. Totally. When you're 60, 70, and 80, muscle is what's going to help you to go do your groceries without help,
53:06  Speaker 4:  get up, get off that couch, to do the dishes, to wash the floors, to go walk with your dog. That's muscle.
53:13  Speaker 4:  Muscle is the most important thing, I cannot stress that enough. And for my women, for the listeners, menopausal,
53:19  Speaker 4:  postmenopausal women,
53:21  Speaker 4:  estrogen is great. Absolutely, it protects your bones, but muscle will protect your bones even further. And estrogen
53:29  Speaker 4:  should be optimized, absolutely, but you have to get up,
53:33  Speaker 4:  get up and you have to go to the gym and you have to lift, you have to do resistance training at least,
53:38  Speaker 4:  you know, twice a week, at least twice a week. I want you to lift weight.
53:42  Speaker 4:  You have to lift that weight. Know,
53:45  Speaker 4:  those buttless women who inject them to, you know, drive
53:50  Speaker 4:  Bentleys and barely walking and, you know, spend lots of time walking around the mall, that's not exercise.
53:57  Speaker 4:  When
53:59  Speaker 4:  my 55
54:00  Speaker 4:  year old woman say, I do
54:02  Speaker 4:  exercise, I walk 10,000 steps a day, I'm like, no,
54:06  Speaker 4:  no, you have to break that muscle apart. You have to break that and make and your body will heal and create hypertrophy and
54:13  Speaker 4:  your bones will thank you later. This is an investment for your future. And if you're fat, if you're overweight, and I'm sorry, you know, I cannot, this is now people being persecuted for calling people fat, but
54:27  Speaker 4:  adipose tissue is another endocrine organ that is so pro inflammatory.
54:31  Speaker 4:  If you put peptides into that and you feel nothing, of course you're going to feel nothing because your body is busy
54:39  Speaker 4:  bringing down the inflammation from the adipose tissue, then going and responding to the signals. Peptides are signals that your body have to respond But
54:46  Speaker 4:  if you have a bunch of inflammation, if you're sick, if you're overweight and you don't take care of your health, peptides are not magic.
54:54  Speaker 4:  It's not a miracle, It's not a magic. It's supposed to help you,
54:58  Speaker 4:  but you have to help yourself Yeah,
55:02  Speaker 2:  I mean,
55:03  Speaker 2:  you know, for like the
55:05  Speaker 2:  GOPs, at least if it's somebody that's overweight and they have that no motivation, and if at least that works really quickly. If that can get the damn
55:13  Speaker 2:  snowball spinning downhill to get them off the couch,
55:17  Speaker 2:  we
55:18  Speaker 2:  celebrate it, you know? But again, we always say these are not
55:21  Speaker 2:  supposed to be taken to perpetuity, man. Like this is, we want to build the base, not the 3rd floor.
55:28  Speaker 2:  Everybody wants to build 0.333 floor, take an injection and that's all they're doing and they're losing weight, but you've got to build that muscle.
55:36  Speaker 2:  And you 2 ladies, she just said it now you got the doctor that just said that we preach it every, episode that
55:42  Speaker 2:  resistance training is a must for everybody. Especially if you are the guilty 1.
55:48  Speaker 2:  I mean, you just gotta, I mean, you don't even have to lick, go to the gym,
55:52  Speaker 2:  which you can do the bands. You can do bands at home. I mean, there's so many creative ways to do it,
55:58  Speaker 2:  but do it for the love of God, do it, you know, cut out the seed oils.
56:02  Speaker 2:  It's just,
56:04  Speaker 2:  I love that the, that
56:06  Speaker 2:  there is a movement of most people are starting to seek different and
56:11  Speaker 2:  I love that.
56:12  Speaker 2:  You know, whether it be the COVID era that sparked
56:16  Speaker 2:  that flame in people, it doesn't even matter. It's here and people are seeking other things.
56:21  Speaker 2:  And I just love that you are leading
56:24  Speaker 2:  the path.
56:26  Speaker 3:  So speaking of muscle, what do you believe in dosage? So protein, amount of grams of protein, a woman versus a man
56:34  Speaker 3:  should be taking per meal
56:35  Speaker 3:  to build the max amount of muscle. What do you think a man or woman can actually handle? Have you looked into that? Well, there's
56:42  Speaker 4:  a lot of studies that contradict each other. Some studies said you have to
56:47  Speaker 4:  take 1 g per pound away, the others say don't. So you have to find your holy grail,
56:54  Speaker 4:  you know, if you can if you're a woman and you can care if you because not everybody can eat that much, you know. I, for example,
57:02  Speaker 4:  probably I eat a gram per
57:04  Speaker 4:  pound and I'm, what, 130?
57:07  Speaker 4:  Probably I do eat that 3 times, yes. If I cannot eat dinner, I drink my protein shake. If you cannot meet
57:14  Speaker 4:  your protein requirement by chewing your food, you should at least drink it.
57:20  Speaker 4:  A 100 gram probably for a woman should be at
57:23  Speaker 4:  least, at least.
57:25  Speaker 2:  Yeah,
57:26  Speaker 2:  for sure. Right when you wake up too.
57:29  Speaker 4:  Breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
57:34  Speaker 2:  Do you, let's talk about that for a 2nd. So I know I'm big on fasting.
57:38  Speaker 2:  Do you know, have you studied any fasting at all? Are you are you
57:43  Speaker 2:  knowledgeable on that? You, cause I know women and men, it's very different for women and men.
57:49  Speaker 2:  I love it. I mean, 16 hours give or take, you're going to be autophagy
57:54  Speaker 2:  and it's 40 hours
57:57  Speaker 2:  just starts
57:58  Speaker 2:  and then about 20 hours it really starts to rev and then 36 it's GHK-3L-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB-1BB
58:10  Speaker 2:  to figure it out. I was all pudgy and I couldn't figure it out. So I started reading about fasting and I did it for,
58:16  Speaker 2:  to try to lose weight, but then I fell in love with it because I was running a mortgage company at that time and I was just on fire. I was like focused and it's just amazing. So those are some of the tools that we speak of a lot too,
58:27  Speaker 2:  to help people, you know, even doing 1 72 hour fast
58:32  Speaker 2:  0.25 can just greatly
58:34  Speaker 2:  decrease the chance that you're going to get cancer. Dead cells dying off are falling off and brand new ones take their place.
58:42  Speaker 4:  You lose? You know? I do fast once a month, the whole Sunday. So once Sunday a month, we don't eat anything with my body.
58:50  Speaker 4:  I do believe the fasting is good for detox,
58:53  Speaker 4:  not again,
58:56  Speaker 4:  you are what you eat,
58:58  Speaker 4:  it depends what you eat, you know, if you're
59:01  Speaker 4:  if someone who eats only healthy and cooks at home, do they need fasting? Maybe they should try and see how they feel. But for me personally,
59:09  Speaker 4:  I do feel the difference. I do feel more clarity,
59:13  Speaker 4:  definitely less bloated.
59:16  Speaker 4:  Even probably better vision when I fast.
59:20  Speaker 2:  Yeah,
59:21  Speaker 2:  super focused. Your gut, like
59:23  Speaker 2:  reboots, because I know you're heavily into gut stuff
59:27  Speaker 2:  because
59:28  Speaker 2:  guts, gut people are the 1 of the biggest problems, you know, from, you know, at least my digging into this,
59:33  Speaker 2:  is just everybody's got the autoimmune problems are really stemming from the guts. Know, lot of the antibiotics have really triggered
59:41  Speaker 2:  leaky gut and things like that. I mean, I mean, think about all everybody, you know, a lot of people have, autoimmune
59:48  Speaker 4:  issues. Do
59:49  Speaker 2:  you feel like, do you feel that
59:53  Speaker 2:  like a certain
59:55  Speaker 2:  protocol
59:56  Speaker 2:  of peptides can rectify some of that stuff like
1:00:00  Speaker 2:  a Thymosin Alpha to LL-37VIP,
1:00:04  Speaker 2:  like done properly in order. Do you think that can heal
1:00:07  Speaker 2:  or greatly
1:00:08  Speaker 2:  improve like a leaky gut type situation?
1:00:12  Speaker 4:  Well,
1:00:13  Speaker 4:  I have tried on my patient with IBS,
1:00:16  Speaker 4:  PPC capsules,
1:00:17  Speaker 4:  with KPV capsules, with VIP
1:00:20  Speaker 4:  nasal spray, but VIP,
1:00:22  Speaker 4:  I can tell you that VIP,
1:00:24  Speaker 4:  those people with kidney failure should entertain VIP. I have 2 patients whose kidney function, that eGFR number on your blood work that says eGFR,
1:00:35  Speaker 4:  it was, I think his was about 30, so he was on the 2nd stage of kidney failure And VIP nasal spray brought it up to 60 in
1:00:44  Speaker 4:  3
1:00:46  Speaker 4:  months, I believe, 3 months. He still
1:00:48  Speaker 4:  waters
1:00:50  Speaker 4:  from me the nasal spray 2 to 3 times a year.
1:00:54  Speaker 4:  Also Now, great for his
1:00:58  Speaker 4:  what I see with gut,
1:01:01  Speaker 4:  Tirzepatide
1:01:02  Speaker 4:  does the magic,
1:01:04  Speaker 4:  you know,
1:01:05  Speaker 4:  for some with IBS,
1:01:07  Speaker 4:  with Crohn's,
1:01:08  Speaker 4:  with
1:01:10  Speaker 4:  BPC- not everybody responds to BPC capsules. I have a patient with Crohn's, gave him BPC and KPV, and 3 days into the capsules, he was hospitalized with heavy bleeding.
1:01:22  Speaker 2:  Oh, wow.
1:01:23  Speaker 4:  So not sure. Everybody's
1:01:24  Speaker 2:  really different. So you think that your appetite is gonna be the
1:01:29  Speaker 2:  golden ticket.
1:01:30  Speaker 4:  Is it because people stop eating shit?
1:01:33  Speaker 4:  Is it, but again, people drink alcohol,
1:01:35  Speaker 4:  people smoke, people eat shit all the time. You know, we talk about God and we talk about how we're gonna cure God, but don't, we need to talk about lifestyle. Lifestyle is what contributes to
1:01:47  Speaker 2:  shitty God. It's so important what you said in regards to
1:01:52  Speaker 2:  supplements,
1:01:53  Speaker 2:  peptides,
1:01:54  Speaker 2:  these things are amazing, but you have to,
1:01:57  Speaker 2:  you have to eat right. You have to work out. You have to be hormonally optimized when you get these things in line. And it's going take some time to get some of these things in line for some people, when you take them online, peptides are going to work great, most of them, right? But you gotta be hormonally optimized and you gotta do your part, which is lift some weights and stop beating, as you said, and I agree, shit food,
1:02:18  Speaker 2:  Put it down, put that cake down, you'll need it.
1:02:23  Speaker 4:  Also people, lots of people have
1:02:26  Speaker 4:  psychosomatic
1:02:27  Speaker 4:  issues with the gut, because they are depressed,
1:02:31  Speaker 4:  they're not happy with their life and your gut is the 2nd brain. If you look at the neurophysiology,
1:02:37  Speaker 4:  your gut has more neurons than your brain.
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1:03:34  Speaker 4:  And it has to tell you something.
1:03:38  Speaker 4:  Yeah. But there's some research on psilocybin and gut issues, you know, psilocybin can cure, well, can cure I cannot say cure anything because, no. But psilocybin
1:03:49  Speaker 4:  can aid in some
1:03:54  Speaker 4:  gut problems,
1:03:55  Speaker 4:  because 1st of all- Psychedelic mushrooms. Yes, psychedelics. Yeah, they microdose them. Yes,
1:04:00  Speaker 4:  psychedelics.
1:04:01  Speaker 4:  I have tried all kinds of psychedelics.
1:04:03  Speaker 4:  This is a different podcast.
1:04:05  Speaker 4:  You can interview me. I tried everything. I used to, you're good. So we got you.
1:04:10  Speaker 4:  So,
1:04:12  Speaker 4:  and you
1:04:13  Speaker 4:  know, mental health does a lot of things with your gut. Mental health plays a huge
1:04:19  Speaker 4:  role in your aches and pains.
1:04:22  Speaker 4:  If you're not happy, your body will respond with pain. You're not happy, I've seen, I had patients without the immune disease. I had patients with,
1:04:33  Speaker 4:  1 of my patients with
1:04:35  Speaker 4:  severe Crohn's disease.
1:04:38  Speaker 4:  So he went to
1:04:39  Speaker 4:  Mexico, I think it was Mexico that he did Ayahuasca
1:04:43  Speaker 4:  and then he smoked the frog,
1:04:46  Speaker 4:  he came back and he's still in remission. It's been 2 months, 2 years, years. It's been 2 years. Not
1:04:52  Speaker 4:  a 1 single flare up. He's happy. So
1:04:55  Speaker 4:  what do psychedelics do
1:04:58  Speaker 4:  from the scientific standpoint?
1:05:00  Speaker 4:  They reset your neuron,
1:05:02  Speaker 4:  the
1:05:04  Speaker 4:  neural network.
1:05:05  Speaker 4:  So basically they reset your brain. So what you thought of things after psychedelics, you no longer think of those things. Psychedelics also help you to see the broader picture.
1:05:17  Speaker 4:  Psychedelics help you to see outside the box.
1:05:20  Speaker 4:  I'm a huge proponent of psychedelics.
1:05:23  Speaker 4:  Think psychedelics is the future of peptides. Psychedelics, hormones are the future of medicine.
1:05:28  Speaker 3:  I love it. No, I think it's great. While we're talking about that, what about ketamine? What's your thought on that, on the ketamine microdosing? No,
1:05:35  Speaker 4:  no, no. From the brain
1:05:37  Speaker 4:  standpoint,
1:05:37  Speaker 4:  not ketamine. Ketamine, it's a it was it's not we can't call it really Can we call it psychedelic? Not really, because it's really not No, no. But
1:05:47  Speaker 4:  if someone, because with ketamine you can never have a bad trip because it's controlled with psychedelics,
1:05:53  Speaker 4:  you will have a bad trip.
1:05:54  Speaker 2:  I know, have a buddy that
1:05:57  Speaker 2:  was saying what you were saying. He's a guy that Will and I are both sober. We've been sober a long time, we've done a lot of, least I've done a lot of psychedelics myself.
1:06:05  Speaker 2:  You know well, but anyways, he was a guy that really struggled. He kind of went in and out a lot. Ran into him recently. He was telling me about this psychedelic thing. He went to Mexico as well, Ayahuasca
1:06:16  Speaker 2:  and the frog thing and all that. And the way that he was explaining it, like he was just like a healed dude. Like I had never seen him talk like that. He's usually angry and just
1:06:29  Speaker 2:  here he comes, you know, kind of those guys, Oh man, here we go. You know, but like, dude, he was just like, I was like, wow bro. Like
1:06:36  Speaker 2:  he was, he seemed healed and like you worked for him, man. So I love anything that's outside of the box. I think that we're not supposed to be in any box.
1:06:45  Speaker 2:  I think we should always keep our minds open
1:06:47  Speaker 2:  for anything, you know what I mean? Because I think that like, again, that's rad that the world's going there, whether it be psychedelics or
1:06:54  Speaker 2:  whatever,
1:06:55  Speaker 2:  if you think that that's going to work for you, everybody's so radically different. You have to try some things
1:07:02  Speaker 2:  to see what is good for you because even 1 dose of BPC for me might not work for this big dude right here. You know what I mean? And,
1:07:10  Speaker 2:  that's what at least people are doing with peptides.
1:07:14  Speaker 2:  Doctor. K, I knew I was going to enjoy this hour always goes so darn fast.
1:07:19  Speaker 2:  I hope that, we get to have you here 1 day. That would be awesome. We've had a lot of people that come start
1:07:26  Speaker 2:  on the internet and then they come in and it's always a pleasure to get to sit with you because we could go for hours on just talking with you. I love what you're doing. I know I've said that, but I really am so, so glad to see
1:07:39  Speaker 2:  doctors
1:07:40  Speaker 2:  leading the way in a different
1:07:43  Speaker 2:  way of life for people. Know what I mean? It's so needed.
1:07:47  Speaker 2:  The world's like you said, it is, let's just be honest. It's fat, it's overweight. It's just, they've given up on themselves. So we need people that are leading the way that are actually doctors and people will trust even like more than us because we just, we try this ourselves.
1:08:03  Speaker 2:  You will do the studies and whatnot. So it's an absolute pleasure.
1:08:07  Speaker 4:  Thank you so much for having me.
1:08:09  Speaker 3:  We leave, I have 3 pages full of questions, but I will not ask those. I have 1 more question. We
1:08:15  Speaker 4:  can continue. I have another 23 Yeah, we're in no rush, man.
1:08:19  Speaker 3:  Fertility.
1:08:20  Speaker 3:  Yeah. So unique to me, this is maybe a selfish question. So,
1:08:25  Speaker 3:  I am,
1:08:26  Speaker 3:  my fiance and I are trying to have a baby. I haven't done any testosterone in a month now.
1:08:34  Speaker 3:  And I've been running testosterone for too many years. I'm 41 now. I think I started at like 32. So that's why I like weaned down, but I'm now, but I'm also like, do you do any fertility protocols? And do you, what would you suggest? I'm taking some I mean, I'm here's what I'm taking is Well, no test. And clomiphene, like 25 mg a day.
1:08:55  Speaker 3:  HCG,
1:08:57  Speaker 3:  I don't know. I go up and dab, but maybe like 1500 IUs 3 times a week.
1:09:02  Speaker 3:  HMG
1:09:04  Speaker 3:  Let's see if those come in 70 25
1:09:06  Speaker 4:  IUs of HMG 3 days a week. What's HM Oh, yes. It's human. It's similar to HCG. Yes.
1:09:15  Speaker 3:  Human menopausal
1:09:16  Speaker 3:  Right. Gonadotropin
1:09:17  Speaker 3:  or
1:09:18  Speaker 4:  So you're trying to wake your balls up, but it's only been a month of testosterone, so it's going take about 3 months
1:09:25  Speaker 4:  for your balls to actually start functioning. And then you do,
1:09:29  Speaker 4:  you check the sperm, whether the motility is adequate, everything's fine. But I think it's too much of things you do, will start converting, your estrogen will go up, with up estrogen is not a good quality sperm. I think you should do 12.5 mg of Enclomiphene
1:09:45  Speaker 4:  since you're already on HCG and the other 1.
1:09:49  Speaker 4:  But also do the blood work, look at your estrogen. If estrogen is too high, it's also not a good thing for conception.
1:09:55  Speaker 4:  That's
1:09:56  Speaker 4:  the word, conception. Yes. Yeah,
1:09:58  Speaker 4:  that's right. All right. And your wife, how's her estrogen and progesterone?
1:10:04  Speaker 3:  Not sure.
1:10:06  Speaker 3:  Need to get her checked too. I
1:10:08  Speaker 3:  don't really know. I don't know. I don't know. We have not got her. So again, like we've only been like saying, Hey, let's, okay, let's, let's try for like 3 weeks now. I knew that we wanted to, and now we're serious about it. So, but yeah, we might as well
1:10:21  Speaker 4:  both go get checked. Yes, but again, you've been in testosterone for so long. It's going to take about 3 months on average. That's what I see in my practice for your balls to be awakened and start producing your own testosterone.
1:10:35  Speaker 4:  And because testosterone,
1:10:36  Speaker 4:  the sperm that you have right now stored,
1:10:39  Speaker 4:  is not good because of the testosterone,
1:10:42  Speaker 4:  so it's gonna take
1:10:44  Speaker 4:  it's gonna take, average is 3 months.
1:10:46  Speaker 3:  Okay, that's cool. I can do it well. I'm also taking, still taking, I'm thinking like, I don't know, 1 IU of HGH because I've had conflicting advice from doctors. Some
1:10:57  Speaker 3:  have told me don't take any
1:10:59  Speaker 4:  and then some have said, yes, you should. Do have research that HGH helps the spermatogenesis,
1:11:06  Speaker 4:  definitely. But we have to also remember when you do take HGH,
1:11:10  Speaker 4:  it means it's exogenous, it means your pituitary will shut down. So you will have to do some cycling. Maybe do HGH and then Tesamorelin or Ipamorelin or whatever Rallying you like,
1:11:22  Speaker 3:  because
1:11:23  Speaker 4:  but not for long also stimulating too long your pituitary also can desensitize
1:11:29  Speaker 4:  the receptors.
1:11:30  Speaker 4:  For example, I do Tesamorelin every other day, but again,
1:11:35  Speaker 4:  more and more research coming out with
1:11:38  Speaker 4:  high IGF-one
1:11:39  Speaker 4:  and aging,
1:11:41  Speaker 4:  you know, now is GH good? Maybe not long term,
1:11:46  Speaker 4:  maybe if you do wanna try,
1:11:48  Speaker 4:  if you have some injuries and you want GH, but I like Tesamorelin because it's mild stimulation of your pituitary and it also helps on your liver too, if you have fatty liver disease, Tesamorelin is supposed to get the fat out. Now, Reta will get your fat out of the liver in no time, of course. That's the main job of Reta.
1:12:10  Speaker 4:  So someone with
1:12:12  Speaker 4:  fatty liver disease will definitely benefit from Reta.
1:12:15  Speaker 4:  But I like Tesamorelin
1:12:17  Speaker 4:  in
1:12:18  Speaker 4:  not all the time,
1:12:20  Speaker 4:  sporadically.
1:12:23  Speaker 3:  How about this 1? The women ask us all the time, like, what is my what's a protocol for perimenopause?
1:12:29  Speaker 4:  Well, perimenopause,
1:12:31  Speaker 4:  you still have estrogen. So in perimenopause,
1:12:33  Speaker 4:  what's happening, your progesterone starts going down with testosterone.
1:12:38  Speaker 4:  So in perimenopause, we're not going to give you estrogen unless you have symptoms of hot flashes. Most women don't. So we're going to replace progesterone with testosterone and we'll monitor you.
1:12:50  Speaker 3:  Okay.
1:12:51  Speaker 3:  Peptides? Do the peptides fall into there? Of course, Tesamorelin.
1:12:55  Speaker 4:  Would say, I would definitely
1:12:58  Speaker 4:  ask women to entertain Tesamorelin if she is perimenopausal
1:13:01  Speaker 4:  because of cholesterol,
1:13:03  Speaker 4:  because your liver starts to make more cholesterol, because the hormones are failing, so Tesamorelin should help to redistribute
1:13:12  Speaker 4:  the fat. And when estrogen falls,
1:13:15  Speaker 4:  fat moves
1:13:16  Speaker 4:  from
1:13:17  Speaker 4:  subcutaneous to the organs.
1:13:20  Speaker 4:  So when before you had little fat here, little fat there, estrogen goes down, your fat going
1:13:26  Speaker 4:  inside the organ. So that's bad.
1:13:28  Speaker 3:  Yeah, that's bad. Okay, that's cool. And then finally, we try to ask every guest, like, what are you taking for peptides that you can tell us right now? Do you mind telling us like, what are taking right now? On record, I can tell you people on record what I take. I take SS-31.
1:13:43  Speaker 6:  Daily,
1:13:44  Speaker 6:  5
1:13:45  Speaker 4:  to 10 mg.
1:13:47  Speaker 4:  Take Tesamorelin Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
1:13:53  Speaker 4:  Started
1:13:55  Speaker 4:  to inject
1:13:56  Speaker 4:  nicotinamide
1:13:57  Speaker 4:  ribosome NR subcutaneously
1:13:59  Speaker 4:  instead of NAD,
1:14:01  Speaker 4:  because NAD
1:14:03  Speaker 4:  works
1:14:04  Speaker 4:  in,
1:14:05  Speaker 4:  yes, in my case, again, IVs especially. If someone
1:14:09  Speaker 4:  we detox, I detox alcoholics with an HIV, even though we have no studies, we have no research proving, but it works, and I see this in my practice. A Russian man who drinks for weeks and then they come in and we do daily infusion with hundred and with 500 to 750
1:14:26  Speaker 4:  mg of NAD for 3 days, they stop drinking.
1:14:30  Speaker 4:  They have Wow. I mean, it's incredible what does.
1:14:34  Speaker 4:  Really they hate alcohol after that. So this is my protocol for
1:14:39  Speaker 4:  addictions with alcohol,
1:14:41  Speaker 4:  especially, because they get so nauseous. They see they look at VAC and they think of probably NAD, how bad it was for them. But
1:14:49  Speaker 4:  now, from the molecular standpoint, if you look at NAD, it's a large molecule, right? It's a coenzyme.
1:14:56  Speaker 4:  In order for NAD to enter the cell, it has to be broken down into NR and NMN,
1:15:01  Speaker 4:  in an extracellular matrix.
1:15:03  Speaker 4:  And then you have an enzyme that comes in, NR, take NMN,
1:15:09  Speaker 4:  bring it into the cell and now converts it back to NAD plus So then why not inject NR?
1:15:15  Speaker 4:  So you're gonna
1:15:17  Speaker 4:  do, your body will need to do less work. So if with NR it's
1:15:23  Speaker 4:  taken up by the cells immediately
1:15:25  Speaker 4:  and converts to NAD plus Well,
1:15:27  Speaker 4:  it's again, it's a theoretical thing. So this is a theory, but but very valid theory because we do know the mechanisms.
1:15:37  Speaker 3:  Well, then why not just take
1:15:39  Speaker 4:  NAD plus Then your body doesn't have to do anything. No, it does. If you take NAD plus your body have to convert it to NR and NMN and then take it into the and Yes, convert it it's a process and some people will lack that enzyme. Not everybody will have that enzyme.
1:15:56  Speaker 4:  So their enzyme may be very inefficient.
1:15:59  Speaker 4:  That's why some people have no effect on NAD, some people have great effect with NAD,
1:16:05  Speaker 4:  But lots of
1:16:08  Speaker 4:  again, for me, NR,
1:16:10  Speaker 4:  I feel NR intravenously,
1:16:13  Speaker 4:  next day more energy than with NAD infusion for myself.
1:16:18  Speaker 3:  Awesome. That's cool. That's cool. I had read that like early
1:16:22  Speaker 3:  on there was in, I think London,
1:16:25  Speaker 3:  there was a clinic using NAD
1:16:28  Speaker 3:  to, you know, cure chronic alcoholics,
1:16:31  Speaker 3:  cure their livers,
1:16:33  Speaker 3:  and they were going in with jaundice and then coming out good. And then the authorities
1:16:37  Speaker 4:  shut it down because it's- And I believe that it really detoxes you. Benzos
1:16:45  Speaker 4:  we, we've asked, we did it even with marijuana,
1:16:49  Speaker 4:  you pee, you know, it, weed stays inside of you for a long time. And
1:16:55  Speaker 4:  we have a patient who peed in the cup,
1:16:58  Speaker 4:  got tested positive because he just, I mean, he smokes daily and he needed to do
1:17:03  Speaker 4:  some testing. And so for the whole week, he did NAD infusions. In a week, was clear. In a week, I mean, days, not 7, even 5 days of 500 mg daily.
1:17:13  Speaker 4:  And the 6 days he peed in a cup and he's like, Doc,
1:17:16  Speaker 4:  I'm good to go. Wow.
1:17:18  Speaker 3:  Wow. A lot of kids, the good thing, little kids aren't listening to this. They just got some ideas.
1:17:24  Speaker 3:  I'm
1:17:25  Speaker 3:  a partner in a couple,
1:17:27  Speaker 3:  in a couple, drug and alcohol rehabs. And like Danny said, like,
1:17:31  Speaker 3:  we've been sober for a long time because we abused every single bit of drug and alcohol there is and both went through all this. That's, that's close
1:17:40  Speaker 4:  to our heart. Yeah. Am sober too. I have, I have, I don't drink. Good for you. Okay. Congratulations.
1:17:46  Speaker 3:  Yeah, it's a yeah, good for you. It's a way better life.
1:17:50  Speaker 3:  Much better life. All
1:17:52  Speaker 4:  right.
1:17:53  Speaker 3:  I'll
1:17:54  Speaker 3:  stop. We'll
1:17:56  Speaker 2:  let you go. We appreciate It your
1:17:58  Speaker 2:  has been natural. I knew I was gonna love it. It's,
1:18:01  Speaker 2:  I've been watching all the stuff you've been posting. I love it. It's been a great
1:18:04  Speaker 2:  meeting you again and hopefully we meet you soon. Absolutely. I really, really enjoyed this talk. Thank you so much. Right. Doctor. J, we'll talk to you soon. Bye All bye
1:18:13  Speaker 2:  guys. Take care. Thank you for joining us for the pep time of the week. We'll catch you next time. Later.