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0:54Speaker 3Welcome back to the PEG-ten, the other week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Across the way to my left
1:04Speaker 3a man that has been on our show numerous times. You know him as Doctor. Scott. I know him as
1:10Speaker 3Scotty because I've known him a long time. Doctor. Scott Cawley, he practices functional
1:27Speaker 3before we recorded and I wish we were kind of recording because we were talking about just
1:32Speaker 3the difference in food from, you know, Will just got back from Italy and we were talking, which everybody's heard these conversations, people that go to Italy and the food and
1:42Speaker 3what Will was saying, just put words out and take words out of his mouth was it was bland, but it was great. And he didn't feel heavy.
1:48Speaker 3And we were thinking like, that's just how food's supposed to taste, full of sugar and sea oils and like stuff to make you get addicted. You know what I mean?
2:05Speaker 4now that I've been back, like not happy eating this, anything that's not just fresh food.
2:12Speaker 1I can feel it directly. I've heard that story over and over again too. Well, just to let you know.
2:17Speaker 4Probably, I mean, I probably lost, I probably probably could lost like 8 pounds. You do look thinner, bro.
2:32Speaker 4and swimming. But you know, on a vacation, I always try to like not really work out and let my old injuries heal because there's always, if you lift enough every day,
2:46Speaker 4and eat really good. And I guess you stay in Positano and you're walking straight up mountains all the time. But
2:53Speaker 4I feel way better until I order little Caesar's pizza with my kid and have a pie piece of pizza and it like ruined my day the next day. So
3:18Speaker 3Because this is all we've known, you know, I mean, maybe some of us, because I'm almost 50. So maybe some of us got some of the old school stuff, but like,
3:26Speaker 3that's why we, this is all, this is what we've known. But like, if like you have Italians come to America, they're like, what is this shit? You know what mean? Like, what is this? Yeah. What is this taste? What is it? You know, they're not shocked.
3:37Speaker 3Yeah. It's just sugar. They taste the sugar. There's sugar and everything. Like, people don't even realize there's, like, sugar and salads.
3:53Speaker 1go to Australia, there's real food there. He goes, The food here tastes like even he goes, the best food here tastes like the worst we got over there. Wow. Know, they got good. That sucks. They got great agricultural farming in Australia,
4:05Speaker 1Italy. Like I said, Costa Rica was great food. You know, there was, it just, it's different. Yeah. I mean, we've all been places to where,
4:17Speaker 3he just got back from Costa Rica. Same thing if you go to Hawaii, I mean, you get the pokey that they catch that day.
4:23Speaker 3I mean, there is a difference about how amazing that it and you need the cool thing about Hawaii is
4:29Speaker 3a lot of times, Alyssa and I will just go to the grocery store, then they have like 15 different options caught that day. Yeah. And we're like, we're tired, so we just go to
4:37Speaker 3the room and just eat that. And it's caught that day. It's so amazing. You know what I mean? Or
4:43Speaker 1our grocery store that it's been just not doing well. And this is wild caught fish. That's a big difference. Farm drink. 100%. You got a sushi bar here. You you got to ask for the wild caught selections because so much of it is, you know, farmed race selection, which isn't always the best. Yeah.
5:02Speaker 3you know, we're all into the same stuff. You know, I've been friends with both these guys for a very long time. I've been friends with Scott before he was Doctor. Scott. And, that's a long time because we're old,
5:19Speaker 3heal most things with nutrition. Now there's a lot of autoimmune issues and things like that these days that like maybe even the nutrition can fight against some of the bacterias and some of the stuff going on in the gut. I mean, you're,
5:42Speaker 3Scott's been on the show quite a bit and we've talked about a lot of different things, but he reached out to me the other day
5:51Speaker 3talk about some of the stuff that I've seen in blood work because he runs deep, deep, deep panels. I've shared about him running my deep panel then which turned into a stool test and all that stuff, and we'll talk about that. But
6:06Speaker 3You see a lot of men that are running gear, which if you don't know what that means, it means steroids,
6:17Speaker 3probably burst somebody's bubble right now or people's bubble when I say this. So if you don't want your bubble to be burst, plug your ears.
6:24Speaker 3Ladies and gentlemen, most men that are super jacked and ripped are running gear. And I know that, I remember I told my wife that back in the day, she's like, no. You're gonna get some crap from that. Yeah. I mean, it's the truth. Listen, I'm an honest guy. There's that 1 person truth adage. Yeah,
6:53Speaker 3You're here today to talk about some of the things that negatives that you're seeing on the blood work. And this is going to be a good conversation because you don't usually reach out to me and say, Hey man, I think I should talk about this. So that's odd for you. So let's kind of dig into it. What are some of the things
7:07Speaker 4that you're seeing that are of concern? Can I add 1 interject real quick? The bursting of the bubble is also folks like you're probably gonna talk about people doing TRT,
7:18Speaker 4but pick a little bit more TRT or quite a bit more. Right? Like, there's the line of steroids. By the way, guys, like, testosterone
7:31Speaker 3amount. Yeah. When we say gear, running gear, it's generally running a steroid cycle. Like, TRT, if you're running it properly,
7:39Speaker 3is generally about 1 50 to 1 80 megs a week. That's not exact, so don't, like, don't let them lose their mind over that.
8:02Speaker 3trend, mastron, cream of all, and like we could go on and on. Actually They're running steroid cycles for a specific reason to get big and ripped and buff, whatever their objective is. Including high dose of testosterone. I
8:15Speaker 1the TRT versus the ear side. And that's kind of what I was going to say anyways, was TRT, I think, extremely important.
8:26Speaker 1You get them to the balance. It's not about going supra physiologic where we would go over. And that's where we start going into the gear side. So TRT
8:34Speaker 1is not what I'm really talking about. Although I think it's extremely important for people who are on TRT, not just men, right? Women too now, right? A lot of women going on it. Yeah. Is to just to make sure, you know, because
9:07Speaker 1sure you're getting that all in there and doing it responsibly, think is not really who I'm talking about today.
9:13Speaker 1Because this platform is, you know, I get a lot of guys who are coming at me who are on the gear side. I always like to, you know, we talk about gear. I always like to compare it to like a football field. You know, you got, you got testosterone as the quarterback. Yeah. Right? You got you got the running backs. Right? That would be like Primo Bowen and maybe Mastron. You got the receivers. We got, you know, we got Winstrolin and Anovar. Sure. You got you got, oh, the tight end will be Tremblon. You got center, a deck of Dura Bowen. Right? And then and then who's the kicker? Right? Who I don't know. Who is the kicker?
9:43Speaker 1Who is the kicker? Providing out Anabar. Anabar is the Why is the kicker? Anabar is the kicker. Because it's for girls. So, you know, and then you're gonna, you know, different plays. You're gonna use different players.
9:53Speaker 1Know, guys are coming out. What's the objective? How are we gonna get to the end zone? Yeah, exactly. You know, and different objectives, right? Are you bulking?
10:03Speaker 1a proponent of anabolic steroid use. I want to put that out there. You see the blood work? It's damaging.
10:09Speaker 1A lot of it's reversible and some of it is not reversible. There's irreversible damage to doing anabolic steroids. I'm gonna put that out there. We're gonna be juicy.
10:22Speaker 1they're running labs sometimes right smack in the middle of their cycles and sometimes they're on the off cycle.
10:36Speaker 1what I'm seeing here is there's a big difference whether you're going to run off cycle or on cycle 1st. So I always tell the patient that you're on, be ready. Going to
10:45Speaker 1see an ugly report. I can almost guarantee you're going to see an ugly report. When you're off, you get to see like, okay,
11:03Speaker 1long term, maybe short term, can be reversed. And what I like to do is there is a way to do it better. That's kind of what if you're going to make the decision to do that and to go down that path, the anabolic steroid path,
11:14Speaker 1there's always going be a better way to do it. Yeah, it costs money because you wanna run labs, you wanna take supplementation. There's peptides now that we'll
11:22Speaker 1get into about peptides that help with the anti inflammatory effect of what steroids cause inflammation in the body.
11:45Speaker 1kidney, liver. Those ones seem to be affected a lot. And we gotta remember you guys, cardiovascular
11:57Speaker 1Think it's heart attack is number 1 and stroke is still number 2. And I don't know how long that's been, but it hasn't changed.
12:10Speaker 1I think that it's really important. I really like to go deep diving with, especially with the guys on anabolic into
12:20Speaker 1Outside of people who are not doing anabolics, if you're 40 and above, I still like to go kind of deeper into the cardiovascular workup. And when I say deeper, I mean going past total cholesterol, HDL, and LDL C. That's kind of what you get from an insurance panel and really kind of looking deep into these panels because
12:51Speaker 1hypo response, meaning that the thyroid may not be optimized as far as how it should be running. So when you have a hypothyroid response,
13:12Speaker 1The things that I would say for you guys who are doing these cycles, who really have no idea where they're at. I get a lot of guys who say, Hey, I've been running for a year or I've been running for 20 years, 30 And I just want to know, like, what has this been doing to my body? You know what I mean? And, I think it's smart because,
13:31Speaker 1you want to There's You don't want to die. Well, yeah, that there's ways you can There's things that you can take. There's things that you can do. There's lifestyle changes you can make while you're living that lifestyle
13:40Speaker 1to help kind of manage, I guess. Sure. Sometimes even reverse eventually, you know, you go off cycle, you can reverse some of these things so that when you're going to go back on, you know that you kind of come back down on some of this stuff.
13:53Speaker 1Called a cycle. You go on and off. You don't stay on. Yeah, yeah. And again, I'm not here to ever tell anybody what to do in that. That's
14:02Speaker 1I don't dictate how long to see steroids, what steroids to take. It's just not me. TRT, different story. TRT is a whole different ballgame. But I think what I like to start with is everything that
14:15Speaker 1workup. We want to look at obviously blood sugar. Blood sugar is going to be important. You want to look at fasting glucose. You want to look at your hemoglobin A1C,
14:40Speaker 1but they got an insulin that's through the roof or they got an LPIR score that's elevated, you know, that goes through 0 to 100%.
14:55Speaker 1get high insulin and then you got some, you know, what else elevates when we do, you know, testosterone
15:01Speaker 1is estrogen. So, you get estrogen and insulin running together. That's kind of a disaster. I always like to look- Why though? Let's talk about that. I'm curious why.
15:17Speaker 1side together. They really fuel it hard. That's why insulin is such a big marker when you want to look at cardiovascular, it is looking at insulin. Sure. You want to get that insulin down. And the great news is Retatrutide,
15:36Speaker 4I interject? So based on that, this is what I was going to ask. So what we know is, so if you do Reta, right, the GLP-one
15:55Speaker 1but that's bad. Well, the mechanism behind the GLP is that it actually brings, mean, it was produced. They were the reason why they made GLP was for diabetics.
16:05Speaker 1And then we're starting to see all the other good effects on this. So you do a GLP and we're seeing the triglyceride come down, which is huge too. We didn't even talk about that yet, but triglycerides is another big marker. But you're seeing the insulin come down, the Hb1c come down and the triglyceride come down. So I'm just saying, I'm not just trying to promote, you know, Retatrut here. Just saying that like a lot of people are on it and it's I'm seeing good blood sugar patterns, even the guys who are on the anabolics, it's great to see that those levels are down. It's when I see that the insulin is high when they're running really high gear,
16:39Speaker 1that's a red flag right away. I'll kind of stop and say, we need to start working on this insulin. How are you going to do that? How do you do that?
16:50Speaker 1There's berberine, there's natural products that help to bring down I use glycine, I use berberine. They're products that will kind of bring down high
17:01Speaker 3is another part of this talk. What supplements can we take to combat some of the things that we're gonna see that are elevated? Do you feel like when you see these guys coming in, and this is like a very wide question, so like do your best with it. So do
17:19Speaker 3educated to the degree on knowing some of those things that they need to do to kind of like liver, like, you know, running like liver clans and stuff like that? Or do you just see they are just kind of-
17:33Speaker 1There's some that know what they're doing because they have a computer in their pocket. Maybe 20%.
17:38Speaker 1Know what I mean? Do some research. Mean, it's good to hear that there are some guys who are taking care of themselves while they're doing it. A lot of them,
17:48Speaker 1a lot of them aren't aren't. And that's the ones that, you know, were of concern of me is to see like their lifestyle along with, you know, alcohol involved. Yeah, sure. Huge party still.
18:03Speaker 4you know, alcohol, especially over 40. Oh man. Well, I mean, that's where we hear some of the horror stories of these bodybuilders dying
18:10Speaker 4is the guys who have been chronically abusing steroids, but also doing a whole bunch of cocaine and drinking or what? Those are the people who end up dying.
18:23Speaker 1you know, and I've seen that, you know, I'll see like, you know, on the, on the questionnaire, I'll see, yeah, you know, these go, they're on antibiotics and how many drinks per week? 5 to 7 drinks per week. That's
18:34Speaker 1This ain't gonna look very pretty. Just, I warned them, this is not gonna look good. I'm just letting you know. So be prepared. I'm sure they know that. But let's continue down that list. We got the insulin. You want to look at kidney obviously, right? Because what anabolic steroids do is they obviously can increase blood pressure. So we want to look at kidney health. We want to look at the GFR. We want to look at creatinine level. We want to look at a cystatin C level. These are markers to kind of see the BUN.
19:05Speaker 1does hurt the kidneys. That's just 1 thing. And that's 1 of the things that's a little harder when I talk about irreversible damage.
19:21Speaker 1filtration rate. And that is the main marker for kidneys. How well are those kidneys functioning? That's how we gauge kidney failure, right?
19:29Speaker 1Sometimes you'll see other things that can fuel that to look bad though, too. Dehydration can
19:42Speaker 1want to look at kidney health. That's going to be really important, right? Because we know that elevated
20:06Speaker 1So I think that there's The good news is we're, you get in the mess, we're finding more ways to get out of the mess now that we really didn't have 10 years ago. And
20:16Speaker 1then I'll just keep going down the list. So we got uric acid. People forget about uric acid. That is an inflammatory marker. I like to throw that in the cardiovascular
20:31Speaker 1easy. That's because of easily poor diet. That's usually because of over excessive. You'll see that with the drinkers, the IPA guys who like the IPA beers. That causes gout. We've heard the term gout. Extremely painful. It's extremely inflammatory. It's not good cardiovascular
20:51Speaker 1and GGT and see how is the liver functioning, right? Obviously, that's a given. Do you And again, when you are on, you're going to see the AST and ALT go up. It's almost inevitable to see that, you know, when you're doing anabolics,
21:19Speaker 1is easy with the liver. You can kind of reverse that damage. You could bring those AST and ALT down, especially when they go off cycle and they do some detoxification,
21:32Speaker 126. I like that range. When they're on antibiotics, you're seeing things up in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s sometimes.
21:49Speaker 1total iron, because sometimes being on anabolic will drive up iron levels. Iron is an interesting, it's a nutrient we all need. We need iron.
22:03Speaker 1right? Because you're not going to have good red blood cells. Red blood cells, what's their purpose? They carry oxygen to those 30,000,000,000,000 cells that make up our body and they carry nutrients to the cell so that that cell can make
22:17Speaker 1Energy, right? The mitochondria, right? It needs that. So too much iron though is very toxic to the body. It hurts the cardiovascular system. It hurts the heart, the liver, the brain. It's
22:31Speaker 1wouldn't say it's almost as toxic as mercury if it's too high. So you wanna look at the ferritin, you wanna look at the total iron and what's called the percent saturation and total iron binding capacity. It's a 4 marker panel in there to kind of get an overall look at what's going on with the iron physiology.
22:53Speaker 1Okay? Sometimes you're always gonna see sometimes a little bit of an elevation in the iron and sometimes you'll see other patterns also.
23:01Speaker 1Certain anabolic are interesting. They can do certain things with iron. Some of them will increase iron. Some of them will decrease iron. They're seeing both different
23:20Speaker 1Yeah. There are big differences between all of those men. What they do. They do different things in the body, on the physiology of the blood work, you know? And I'm learning a lot through your platform because I'm getting to see all these guys on all these different anabolics and what they're using and how are these ones affecting, you know, the blood this way, how are these ones affecting the blood this way? So, you know, I'm practicing, I'm learning. It's really great. I'm stoked.
23:51Speaker 1HDL and LDL. And then you'll get some ratios in there. You get the ratios. So I think the most important marker of that is the triglyceride.
23:59Speaker 1To let you know, out of that is the triglyceride marker. Would normal doctors like an MD agree with you on that? I think so. Well,
24:21Speaker 1Sometimes you'll see that measurement from med doctors. It's great, you know, cardiologists and things like that. But triglyceride
24:45Speaker 1And HDL is called the good guy. And he's not a bad guy. I was like, give the guy a break for God's sakes. For 60 years, he's been beat down into the bad guy because
24:58Speaker 1there's a difference between we're talking about LDL C and LDL P. LDL C is elevated. They just want to throw you on a Stanton drug and not look at anything.
25:07Speaker 1The LDL is responsible for carrying cholesterol from the liver out to the tissues. That's why he's the bad guy
25:33Speaker 1Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. Guess what the building blocks of your hormones are? Cholesterol.
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26:45Speaker 1The cell is partially made of cholesterol, so cholesterol is very important. Hell yeah. It's not a villain, it's not a bad guy. You wanna have a good balance, the HDL is called the good guy because he's the trucks. Let's just compare the Let's compare the, lipoprotein profiles to trucks that carry the cholesterol around the body. LDL moves it out. HDL moves it back to the liver, right? So you wanna have a good balance. You wanna have a You don't wanna have like, even if you have like decent LDL
27:12Speaker 1and a very low HDL, that's a little off. You wanna try to get HDL up because you want a good ratio of moving in. Trucks, I always like to use a construction site. Big truck, dump trucks moving in, dump trucks moving out. The sand and the rocks and the rubble, that's the cholesterol. You're moving this stuff around the body, But
27:36Speaker 1at the vascular level, just like LDL, VLDL is very inflammatory also. There's also 1 called IDL, which is a very small portion of the particle.
27:57Speaker 1It's a fatty liver and we do not want a fatty liver. When you start seeing triglycerides go up, you're gonna pretty much start to say, That is gonna be a fatty liver. That can be a lot, cause a lot of problems.
28:12Speaker 1down. So liver, very important organ of the body, as we know, It's got so many functions. Give us a breakdown
28:18Speaker 4highlight for everybody. Just some of the basic, like, what does the liver do for a person?
28:22Speaker 4Give us some of the biggest things, the biggest things that the liver does. Detoxification,
28:35Speaker 1bile flow to make sure, mean, the list goes on and on. There's just so much that the liver is responsible for, for helping with proteins,
28:58Speaker 3what do they do? Hamburgers. Worse by even anabolics, would imagine, right? I mean, yeah, Yeah. Alcoholism really
29:04Speaker 1hard. So you're taking both. You're just not talking about just feeling the fire. Yeah. So
29:10Speaker 1yeah, again, we talk about triglycerides, fueling that, and then we want to go into the thyroid, right? Thyroid kind of brushed up on that.
29:20Speaker 1Sometimes you get 2 or 3 markers. I think it's more important to look at it a little bit more.
29:27Speaker 1You always want to look at the autoimmune side. Mean, Hashimoto's is the autoimmune side of thyroid. Pretty prevalent. Isn't a lot of that in today's, in our country, you know?
29:40Speaker 3it the seed oils, the sugar? Is it the stuff in the air? I mean- It's a combination of things. A lot of it's gut,
29:52Speaker 1that are causing it. What I'm doing on my Hashimoto patients is I go to the gut and I kind of do that 1st.
30:07Speaker 1that I see very common. One's called klebsiella pneumoniae, the one's Citrobacter FriendAe. I see those elevated
30:24Speaker 1Anyways- I love this stuff. Are We've we talked about this kidding? Stuff Eradicating the infection,
30:28Speaker 1rebuilding the gut, the lining of the gut. Autoimmunity is easy because you got leaky gut involved with
30:35Speaker 1meaning the gut's off. That kind of fuels the autoimmune side. I know there's more to it, but I'm really seeing awesome. So I'm seeing the autoimmune markers just dive,
30:47Speaker 1I hate to say this, but- You mean going dive like mean they're going down? Going down. Yeah. Sometimes completely negative.
30:58Speaker 1Then gluten's a big 1 for the Hashimoto people. Celiac number 1, right? Yeah, celiac disease, you gotta stay away from gluten. Number 2, I'd say, Watch out, man. You got those
31:07Speaker 1for the thyroid. Gluten in our country, in our country, by the Really? Yeah. Not Italy, don't think. In our country, for some reason, that gluten really kind of starts to fuel, you know, can fuel the Hashimoto's. We're finding that's been We've been talking about that for 10 years now and that's been happening and we still kind of believe that.
31:30Speaker 1we've to rule that out. That can hurt you. Cardiovascular also is hyper. You want to have a nice balanced thyroid.
31:58Speaker 1dysfunction where it's not going to be optimal, but it's good to see. It's good to see because hypothyroidism
32:33Speaker 1You never used to see this come from a panel from an insurance doctor and I'm starting to see this now because homocysteine
32:57Speaker 1Maybe a little bit, but really what you wanna do is you wanna make sure that homocysteine
33:22Speaker 1You can get tested for that. I don't normally run into that unless I see a really, really high homocysteine.
33:48Speaker 1the glutathione pathway, and there's what's called 2 amino acid pathways. And certain things have to get detoxified
34:13Speaker 1So you gotta make sure you gotta look at the whole picture. This guy got kidney failure? Well, you might see high homocysteine. Kidneys are good. He's got high homocysteine.
34:33Speaker 1It's a free radical. I don't if you've ever heard that term before, but it actually goes through the bloodstream and it kind of tears up the inside of those smooth vessels.
35:06Speaker 1just people need the methylate and methylation is simple. I use B vitamins. There's B6, B12, and methylfolate.
35:27Speaker 1Is it enough just to see that homocysteine down? Is that gonna save you from cardiovascular
35:31Speaker 1disease again? No, you got to look at the whole picture. You got to look at the whole workup. It's a good thing to have down low because you definitely don't want it high. And if you methylate, you methylate a lot of people, we lack B vitamins.
35:49Speaker 1stress depletes B vitamins, blood sugar issues deplete B vitamins. Cortisol, probably. Cortisol issues. So yeah, I mean, we gotta look at the whole platform and the whole picture of what would be causing that. It is pretty typical and it's so cheap and so effective to just methylate. You know, any guy, even on TRT,
36:06Speaker 1you know, they come to me, they wanna go on TRT. I say, Hey, say, you're going to do this, you got to methylate because the testosterone, even being on TRT, will elevate the homocysteine level to some degree. It's just a good rule of thumb to follow
36:24Speaker 1are the B vitamins. Okay. B vitamins are the methylated. You're saying that the way how you say that to them is you say take these B vitamins. Yeah. That's it. Okay. There's other methylators, by the way. There's other things besides just the B vitamins. There's other methylated products. Some certain,
36:44Speaker 1to make sure that you're getting that homocysteine down. It's just dependent on the patient. I always start with 1, are you doing on this? Oh man, I'm feeling anxious, anxiety. Okay, we got to flip that out. Very rare, but it happens and it's happened to me in practice. But it's fine. We just, there's another route. We just go this route. Now do this methylator. This one's fine. I don't feel that anxiety and anxiousness on those. Is
37:04Speaker 4rapid or either these people who are tanking Reta and they're losing 50 pounds in 3 months,
37:14Speaker 4like the losing of all of that fat and muscle? Also, you said that homocysteine is a byproduct of
37:31Speaker 4Okay. So I don't know. I guess everybody Could you explain some of the bad things that can happen to a person when you lose weight way too fast? Yeah, I think what happens is we got to watch out for
37:49Speaker 1Retta does slow down digestion. It slows down bile flow. And that is 1 of the things about, you know, when patients come to me and they want to do Retta, I always want to ask them about their gallbladder history. Do you have a gallbladder 1st? Number 1. Number 2, do you have the symptoms of potential gallbladder issues? And there's people who I, you know, and on labs, you can look at labs and see if there's gallbladder. You look at what's called alkaline phosphatase and a GGT. If those are both elevated,
38:14Speaker 1there's a good chance and they're having symptoms. They belch a lot, they're gassy, they might get pain, you know, under their right rib cage.
38:23Speaker 1fat meals cause distress to them. Their poops float. They don't sink. That's a sign of, you know, poor
38:30Speaker 4right? So the call- I thought that was a good thing. I thought it was good to have it put your poop float. No. No. It's not good. Oh. Yeah. You want it to sink. Okay. Yeah. You want to sink
38:41Speaker 1Okay. Yeah. Because if you have a floating poop, that means there's lot of fat in there. Okay. So that's a potential that you're not digesting your fats very well, which what would that be from? That would be from usually gallbladder issues. Because the gallbladder is responsible for bile acids and
38:56Speaker 1enzymes that break down the fat so that you can absorb the essential fatty acids and the cholesterol and things like that. So, like
39:03Speaker 1you said, going back to your question, Will, about all that fat loss real quick, I've seen it on labs.
39:08Speaker 1I've seen the fat. I just lost 40 pounds. I run their labs and I see the lipoprotein. I see the profiles are really kind of up. Like, you'll see the cholesterols and you'll see that up because they are just Yeah. They're trying to get rid of all that out of their body and it's backing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're losing their weight. That's a good question, Will, because I wouldn't even think to talk about that, but I've seen that and it's been like, wow, check Because this
39:32Speaker 1then and you can have labs, you know, because they send me all their labs, right? And then I run mine. So
39:37Speaker 1it's like, Hey, you know, it's like, you get to see like, Wow, look what the difference is. This doesn't look good. But
39:50Speaker 1itself out. But the main thing what I'm seeing, the awesome thing is the blood sugar, the triglycerides,
39:59Speaker 1I mean, I see way more good than bad. Someone's got gallbladder issues, let's fix that 1st before you go on Retta because that can be a problem. You got major gut issues, you're only pooping once a week, probably That would suck.
40:14Speaker 1got people, they haven't pooped in 2 weeks. That's great. That is really bad. It's a severe issue.
40:26Speaker 1Nope. Went away, went on vacation for 3 weeks. Didn't poop the whole time. Oh my gosh.
40:49Speaker 11st of you got to find out why. So you run stool testing, of course. And blood testing. But like, I can't change it. Yeah, I know how you do that. Eventually
41:00Speaker 1Eventually they go. And again, you want to look at not just stool, you want look at blood. Is there something that's fueling that also in the blood work that's going to give us ideas? Something's not right.
41:30Speaker 1Ferritin is called an acute phase reactant. CRPA I believe CRPA is acute phase reactant also. Maybe I'm wrong on But it's kind of like gauges. When you're treating someone, you want to see those going in the right direction because you know that things are getting better. Because those are both signs of something is not right. Something's inflammatory in the body, whether it's cancer,
41:54Speaker 1inflammation, inflammation, which is the number 1 killer really in the country is inflammation because everything that falls under that is usually an inflammatory disease.
42:10Speaker 1fibrinogen is a protein that's made in the liver. That's another thing the liver does that makes fibrinogen. It's a clotting protein.
42:30Speaker 1you're a walking time long if you ask me. But the good news about fibrinogen is there's, again, I
42:37Speaker 1Have you heard of that? Yeah. NATO-3K- great, man. It's a proteolytic enzyme that breaks down fibrinogen.
42:43Speaker 1It's good for blood pressure. NATO kinase is a great product for guys on anabolic steroids because usually I see an elevation in fibrinogen.
42:50Speaker 1That scares me a little bit. So I say, if you're gonna do this, get on the nano and stay on it. Even when you're off,
43:02Speaker 1It'll bring it down. It works. It does work. So, but again, fibrinogen is 1 of those markers that is part of that cardiovascular
43:19Speaker 1Just another inflammatory gauge, you know, to kind of see where you're at on that inflammatory
43:26Speaker 3because we're coming up and I wanna get into some questions and whatnot, what we'll do is we'll have you put a list so people can find it on some of our things.
43:33Speaker 3What are some of the biggest fears you're seeing? Like, you like, what are what are the markers that you have seen? I know you've touched on a little bit, but, like, guys that are running gear that have made you fearful and, you know, this is kind of a problem. What are they? Yeah. So the lipoprotein particles, we haven't talked about LDL particles,
43:50Speaker 1We talked about LDL C, right? That's just basically looking at the amount of cholesterol that's moving out. But you wanna look at the trucks. We measure the trucks called the particles.
43:58Speaker 1Okay? You look at how many trucks you have. Are they large trucks or small trucks? Large trucks are good. Small trucks are bad. Small trucks are the ones that clog the arteries. I measure the small LDL particles.
44:14Speaker 1really bad news. You got high uric acid, high insulin, high blood sugar. You see how it just keeps on fueling and filling in. You got low thyroid, you're gonna have a low thyroid response.
44:26Speaker 1B is another marker, right? Okay. And that's the 1 that kind of looks at all the arteriosclerotic
44:33Speaker 1that you can have. It's kind of like an overall look. So it's another gauge look. It's not as specific. Specific would be LDL P,
44:43Speaker 1B is looking at the different ones, the IDL, the VLDL particle, the LDL particles, at kind of all of them. Okay? But there's another marker that's really important to you that I it's a little pricey to run.
45:39Speaker 1of stress to the heart, because of high blood pressure? It's a great marker to see, have I damaged my heart?
45:49Speaker 3Probably, like, high doses of HGH. Like, we talk about HGH is a good thing, but, like, when you're running high doses, like, everything grows. Yep. You know, you're gonna see that stuff. I would imagine that affects that.
46:01Speaker 1So it's a good 1. It's a good 1 to check, especially the guys who've been in the game for a while. It's a good 1 for people too who just have high blood pressure. It doesn't have to be on valrox steroids. It's a great marker to run-in. The cardiologists run these. Cardiologists run it? Not all these though. Like, you're not going to see these- They won't run. Everything you've been running to get all these. If you go to a cardiologist, anytime I've been high on all exteriorists for 30 years.
46:27Speaker 1They're going to also They're going to run, you know, they're going to do more imaging though too. Right? They'll do the image. I don't I can't do that. That's not in my office. You know, they'll do So some of the imaging can maybe keep you from having to run some of the markers. This is if you want to stay away from the cardiologist, you want see what the blood's showing, it'll give you a good sign. They might say, and then seeing the blood, might want to say, Hey, you might want to go get some imaging done. This doesn't look good. You may have had some damage going on. You want to see what degree, you know? I mean, what's the degree of when somebody walks in where you're like, Holy shit, you need to go to a doctor.
47:25Speaker 1if things are gonna, you know, going back in the right direction here. People are gonna run gear.
47:29Speaker 3That that that's the thing. They're gonna run gear. Like, that's just they've done it for us. At least at least, you know, when, you know, when a long years and years ago, there was not as much information at our fingertips. So now if you're running gear and you don't at least do some research, you're just being silly.
47:46Speaker 3put down on paper for some of these guys that are gonna run gear that aren't gonna do the research themselves. What are some of the supplements
47:54Speaker 3that will at least help them that they should be running on a cycle? Okay. Ready? Yep. Do you rank the top 5 and then add more? Okay.
48:18Speaker 1form, that's really important, guys. Triglyceride form. Gotta say it on the bottle. TG form. Triglyceride form.
48:28Speaker 1Absolutely. Really? Okay. Yeah. Natto because it's good for the blood pressure side too. Right?
48:47Speaker 1That's a really good 1. Those are the ones you kind of see. Those are the common ones. They do the job. They do the job. And stick those guys in 1 bottle and they're good to go.
48:57Speaker 1Bergamot, big 1. That's good. Bergamot shifts, and I, again, test this on myself. It shifts the particles.
49:07Speaker 1small to more large. It does kind of, you know, more cardiologists are starting to use bergamot. It's from Italy, by the way.
49:13Speaker 1It comes from Italy. It's from a fruit called the bergamot. Most things are If you look at our modern- Glutathione.
49:19Speaker 4It's Italy. I didn't know that. Well, the good stuff comes from Italy. But just most of like the products and cheeses and meats and all this other stuff, you know, you think about it like the origins are
49:31Speaker 4You must be Italian. They've been around there for and absolutely no, I'm not Italian. But
49:59Speaker 1liver product. There's a bunch of them, something to kind of help with liver support and bile flow.
50:21Speaker 1in about 30 minutes, you dump the or inject it, however you're gonna it. Right? You can do it orally or injection. Glutathione, run the glutathione with the NAC. Really good combo. Great antioxidants.
50:32Speaker 1Number 1 antioxidant in the body. The strongest antioxidant known to the human body is glutathione.
50:37Speaker 3Yeah. So how many how many how much glutathione would you recommend a week, like a week?
50:47Speaker 1Injection? On and off. I run I run bottles and I go off of it. Yeah. I go on and off of glutathione.
51:26Speaker 1once or twice a day. I do them in the morning and night. You do it morning and night? Yeah.
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52:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
52:23Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
52:33Speaker 2Wanted that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required get to a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Talked about you just gave us kind of a mix of peptides and supplements, but I just I'm curious. This is a peptide called peptide of the week. Yeah.
52:52Speaker 4We ought to have Probably talk about peptide. Specific question, but, like, give me the rank the top 5 peptides
53:12Speaker 3Yes. So I wouldn't be right. It's gotta be inflammation. Right? And so what are the top 5 peptides?
53:21Speaker 1honestly. Right? TB, those are really you know, the Wolverine stack. Amazing. I think that health. I think that eventually, though, with the Wolverine, you shouldn't keep running Wolverine before I think you should split that up eventually. Right? Yeah, I think so. I don't think they need TB-five hundred every day for a long period of time. I think that they're finding that could maybe
53:38Speaker 1you know, they're starting to we're starting to see issues Okay. You know, of of certain things, you know, going going too long. But
53:48Speaker 4I really like that 1 a lot. I think that's getting a lot of attention. JD and I both have been taking, well, I don't know about you, but like I've been taking,
53:55Speaker 4I've started to decide, I wanted to ease myself in a bit. So I've been taking 15 mg a day for the last 4 days. And with the goal will be about will be 30 mg a day.
54:06Speaker 1We had Jake Hamilton. He was kinda recommending stuff. We were both, like, right after we went and grabbed a bottle. Does he what is he I was wondering, like, was there a study done on on that much? Like, why would you say 30 mg? Where does that come from? I'm just wondering. I don't know. Not why he said much. What he said was,
54:31Speaker 4etcetera, and that was his recommendation. This guy has some type of credentials Does he understand?
54:41Speaker 4But if you look at, I mean, well, what do we know about SS-thirty 1? We know that it was up for like clinical
54:50Speaker 4It did not get Why did it? You know why? I don't know, but I know the company that was taking it there is bankrupt because
55:17Speaker 4people who have like almost like HIV, wasn't HIV patients, but like have muscle wasting disease. Like the whole point of this is 31 was to help
55:45Speaker 4Mean, NAD glutathione, that would probably be in there somewhere. NAD for sure. NAD glutathione is awesome.
55:51Speaker 1Mean, I really liked the GLP. I think that's doing some amazing stuff. I'm sorry. They're funny. It's a anti tumor anticancer. I mean You're talking about internal. Right? GLP 3, though. GLP 3. Hopefully, the five's coming. And, like, neuroprotective
56:03Speaker 4and I mean, there's a whole bunch of benefits that we don't even know from Retta that That that we don't even know yet. Right. Yeah. I would throw in TA-one.
56:18Speaker 3put the top 5 in because there's so many good ones. Well, for inflammation, because it's known as like the immunity peptide.
56:26Speaker 3obviously you wanna run that- It's for autoimmunity too, by the way. I'm seeing autoimmunity. However it can, it
56:35Speaker 3if your autoimmunity is inflamed, it can actually fire. It's like you're throwing gas on it. Living proof of that. I've really toyed around with the TA-one quite a bit. I love it.
56:45Speaker 3I don't really get sick much anyway, but man, when I'm running TA-1D, like you just feel great. Awesome.
57:11Speaker 4here's 1, here's 1 general rule of thumb is right. The goal, the whole point of taking a break, A, is well to let your body kind of rebound and
57:19Speaker 4of the medical markers, but also your natural, it shuts down your test. So you want your natural test to be able to have enough break where it rises back up to
57:34Speaker 4get it up to there. But there is no rule as far as I know. What would you tell somebody? Months on, 3 months off, give or take, but nobody ever waits 3 months. So both 3, 2. I
57:49Speaker 1it was always, that was the rule. You go on for 3 months, well, then you gotta go off as long as you're on. So if you're on 2 months on, 2 months on, 3 months on. I mean It's been 3 months. That that's Kinda so, like, vague, though. Yes. It depends on the person, the body, how jacked up. And what you're running. Like, guys are running in trend, like trends. It depends on what you're And doing
58:06Speaker 1then, of course, like, you know, like, some people, maybe they should take a year off. Yeah. Maybe they maybe they only need to take a couple. I mean, it's so case dependent. For sure, your answer would be, hey, get off until we do enough blood tests that we can test you that you are, like, a healthy individual. Yeah. You can I'd say it's a good idea. Like, maybe, like, you know, run a little blood test before you want to go back on just to kind of say, hey, this is Sure. This is where you're at right now. Then go on. This is gonna this is where it's gonna look worse. So, you know, maybe you need to wait a little longer. Maybe you need to do a few things before you think about doing that. And and that's kind of what I like to do with these guys is just to kind of, you know, they want someone to kind of
58:52Speaker 4when should I get my blood tested? I was talking to somebody the other day and they're like, oh, I'm about to go get my blood tested. And they're at their height of their cycle. And my answer was like, but like, why?
59:02Speaker 4Well, you will be jacked up. Like, I mean, what's the point of that? Like what we would, what I would kind of want you to do is take your blood test before you started the cycle. So we see what healthy normal is.
59:15Speaker 4do it again once you get off to see if you've got back to there. See how you are after. They're going to run at mid cycle just because they want to see if like anything's way too high. See if they're about to die. Got it. I got it. Because those guys run way
59:29Speaker 1too much. At the beginning of the conversation, I talked about it. I said, Hey, people are right in the middle of cycle. I told them, This is not to look pretty. You're
59:37Speaker 1This is not gonna look pretty. I'm give you the heads up because you're doing it mid cycle. You know what mean? Just be ready. Yeah. Mhmm. You know, be ready to you know, people freak out. You know? They're like, oh my god, I'm gonna die. Well, you do this mid cycle. This does not look good, but, you know, maybe you should do it after you've been off for a while before you want to start. I think that's a great idea, Will. Kind of see where you at when you're kind of yourself in the natural, more in the natural, because we know that going on anabolic, you're going super physiologic.
1:00:04Speaker 3You're going go out of the natural. You're going to see out of the natural response on your labs. It's similar to the degree where, I'm going to just state stupid here for a reason because I think it just needs to be said. Like, if you're going to run gear, you need to do it responsibly.
1:00:17Speaker 3We're not advocating you should or you shouldn't. People do it and let's just be honest. That's what it
1:00:21Speaker 3Like, if you don't know what certain compounds do, if you don't know different esters and things like that, you shouldn't be running it. Like, you need to research again, like, you know, when we were younger, like, we didn't have it was hard to find out the answers to these things. Yeah. Literally, you have a phone because we get a lot of questions through this channel
1:00:39Speaker 3of men and, like, I'll literally say, you shouldn't be running gear, man. Like, no offense. Like, if you don't know the answer to that Yeah. You're not ready for gear. Like, that's, that's a silly question. Unwilling and too lazy to actually read and to get the answer for yourself. Asking me that? Like, you could find that in 3 seconds, bro. Like, if you don't, don't start, you're not ready. Maybe people don't really trust
1:00:59Speaker 1that. Yeah. Fair enough. And that is Well, because we you say that. We can get You could get any answer to what. You get a 100 different answers on 1 question. Like, man, it's pretty shoot. It's a little And let's state the obvious thing. Yeah.
1:01:22Speaker 4I mean, you can do them as responsible as possible, but it doesn't mean they're not gonna be bad. It's still gonna be bad for you.
1:01:39Speaker 3Alcohol in itself, like it's horrible, but if you're running gear, alcohol, and if you throw some blow in there and like, you're that guy, then throw in a crappy diet,
1:01:50Speaker 3drink in water and dehydration. I'm not running gear on a crappy diet. Like people think you take steroids and you just get ripped.
1:02:00Speaker 3of discipline. That's funny though. Like it's seriously like the general consensus of people that don't know if you take steroids, if I took steroids, I could look like that. No, it doesn't work like that. Again, just get jacked.
1:02:12Speaker 4You know what mean? And then real answer is like, you know what? No, but really, you didn't really need to take steroids. If you just worked really hard and ate right, you could also look like that. Literally. Throw some fasting and eat right. You can look great. Who
1:02:31Speaker 3like, you're eating like shit. You're going eat like shit, you're to look like shit. And I think I always push this and a
1:02:37Speaker 1lot of viewers probably I'm seeing them, they're my patients, and I can never reiterate this enough, is high vegetable eating,
1:02:44Speaker 1especially when you're cycling because of the polyphenols, the antioxidants, and the detoxification
1:02:49Speaker 1abilities that vegetables have. And I know some guys can't do it. I know sometimes they struggle with vegetables,
1:03:02Speaker 1like, you know, diet is so important. It's extremely important. Hydration is so important. Hydration
1:03:11Speaker 1RBC hemoglobin and hematocrit is gonna be up and you can have that. I see it elevated even for a lot of people. When you see RBC hemoglobin and hematocrit elevated on someone who is not on steroids or does TRT, that's a sign of dehydration.
1:03:29Speaker 1I mean, that's just a sign of dehydration. It is not always like, Oh, I don't drink enough water. It's a sign of cellular dehydration.
1:03:37Speaker 1Sometimes people all see that pattern. They'll realize you could get 2 gallons a day. So, well, either you're drinking too much water, number 1, or it's you're inflamed and the cells are dehydrated. The cellular dehydration that we're talking about here, the water needs to be in the cell. We talked about 30,000,000,000,000 cells. You need water too to make ATP. You need oxygen to make ATP, glucose, you need thyroid hormone to go into that cell. In that cell, you got vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, the mitochondrial,
1:04:14Speaker 1sugar, water, thyroid hormone, be a dysfunction. You can have nutrient deficiencies that could be a dysfunction that can throw off that ATP production. That's
1:04:28Speaker 3So like, what do you recommend? Because I know a lot of, like if you're drinking general water, like you're not really getting hydrated, you need Celtic salts. Yeah, it's good to put some Celtic salts in there. A lot people don't know that. Like you need to have minerals in the water because it's just even the water sucks.
1:04:44Speaker 3pee all the time. Yeah, like, it's because you're not the water's not doing what you think the water's don't wanna go drinking ghosts in water. Yeah. Like, I start off the morning, I'll go and I'll, like, lick my finger. My wife, give me a little salt box. He's so cute. And I'll like lick and then just a both Celtic salt, let it soak into your tongue. Good for you. I like that. And then you start with water. That's literally the best thing. Like if
1:05:03Speaker 3you don't like try saltwater, it's the best pre workout there is. You get so much energy off of that. That's what I mean. People laugh at me on your workout. I'm
1:05:11Speaker 3like, listen, I've been doing it forever because I fast a lot. Like I'm on a 48 hour fast now.
1:05:16Speaker 3This is full of Celtic saltwater. And like my sons now go, dad, is there salt in that water?
1:05:23Speaker 3Little 2 year old goes today, this morning, he goes, dad, there's salt in that water. I'm like,
1:05:40Speaker 3do that. You start your day with saltwater and it's huge. Like you need to get hydrated after you sleep. Yeah, I agree. It's huge. I agree.
1:05:48Speaker 1Like those are simple things. We wake up pretty dehydrated. We do. We do. Like- stomach is the time. And we usually go straight to the coffee. I
1:06:00Speaker 3had struggled with cortisol recently and that opened up my brain to a lot of just reading about cortisol. I wasn't super intrigued by it.
1:06:14Speaker 3it spikes your cortisol. So like, what I'll do is I pray and I read into you my whole get that asshole 1st and then I'll have coffee and it's been great. I feel
1:06:26Speaker 3I mean, whether, again, I always say this, well, here's it all time, but if it's please SIBO or not, it works for me because it's working. 0
1:06:36Speaker 3everybody needs to do. Like we talked about in the very beginning, our food sucks. This is what it is.
1:06:43Speaker 3We need to have a good diet because we have to scramble through shit food to find good food, man. And,
1:06:53Speaker 3was on the sweet spot for years, man. I was just feeling good, dude, dude. And, but man, I got knocked on my ass in the last 6 months. You know, we ran blood work, reran stool chest and we've been working through it. You know, I've sat down with Scott for 2 hours going through my blood work. Finally said, I think I'm throwing in the white towel, towel, dude. My brain doesn't even like, I'm
1:07:22Speaker 3But like we've been, I've been working with you and it's been great. I mean, it's been eye opening as you know, you listening to this podcast, you know, listeners,
1:07:31Speaker 3he's intelligent. He's 1 of my best friends. I love him to death. And these are the people that you need to have run your blood work because they know what they're talking about. If it's obvious,
1:07:39Speaker 3Not to say medical doctors don't, but they'll run small little panels that show a piece of a picture and you're not going to see the picture. You need,
1:07:46Speaker 3again, we say it all the time, but you don't have to feel like shit. You should have a sex drive. You should have a clear head. You should feel good.
1:07:55Speaker 3These are things that like, I think society has purchased the lie of I'm getting older and I don't have a sex drive and I'm feeling like shit. Like, that's just so wrong. Now it takes time and blood work and stool tests,
1:08:10Speaker 3But then little, little, little things that you implement in your life, little disciplines, little things that compound,
1:08:16Speaker 3drinking salt water, right? When you wake up, implementing these little things in your life that just will yield health. It can make a huge difference.
1:08:23Speaker 3Geez, just sleeping is a huge difference. I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah, definitely. Sleep sample. Yeah. So
1:08:30Speaker 3guys, if you're going to run gear, that's up to you. We don't care if you do or you don't, you're a grown man, but if you do,
1:08:47Speaker 3Please, for the love of God, if you're going to run gear, at least kind of know what the gear does. Don't just like your brother, your buddy at the gym told you to run some
1:09:32Speaker 4you tell us if we want to put out your information. As freely. We'll find you anyway, but like, I mean,
1:09:47Speaker 3you know, we've, we've gone through drug addiction together. We've gone through some stuff. It's been life and, to see where our life's at right now, man, it's a blessing, man, to be able to work with people.
1:10:01Speaker 3lean on some of our experience, your expertise, for sure, of just trying to be healthy, man. And it's a blessing, you know, and this podcast is getting out there. We've just had the blessing to be able to have
1:10:11Speaker 3rad guests on the show that are really good at what they do. We're going to have that water gal on. I'm really excited to have her on. Like, she's going to, it's a Kagan girl that just, we, she came over
1:10:23Speaker 3and fired. Didn't invent Kangen water. She started knew all about it. We were like, dude, that's rad. You should come on the show and like drop that. Cause like, we didn't know any about that stuff.
1:10:38Speaker 3There's much to know about water. You're a lot to know about water. I'm excited to hear it too. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff. Like, we get to sit here with guys like you and learn. I mean, it's the best. I mean, you, all right, you got a blast. We love this stuff. Good stuff. Good stuff. Good to be here.
1:10:53Speaker 3Good have you back. We'll obviously have you back many more times because we love you. Other than that, we want to say anything, Doug? No. Thank you. We'll