Peptide of the Week: Blood Work, Gut Health & Gear – With Dr. Scott Collie
Peptide of the Week
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1:06  Speaker 2:  Welcome back to the Pepatide of the Week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Across the way to my left
1:11  Speaker 2:  is Mr. William T. Haas, my co host, and to my right,
1:15  Speaker 2:  a man that has been on our show numerous times. You know him as Doctor. Scott. I know him as
1:22  Speaker 2:  Scotty because I've known him a long time. Doctor. Scott Cawley, he practices functional
1:27  Speaker 2:  medicine,
1:29  Speaker 2:  blood work, gut health, nutrition,
1:32  Speaker 2:  just a lot of different stuff. So welcome to the show. Like, yeah.
1:37  Speaker 2:  I mean, we were just talking
1:39  Speaker 2:  before we recorded and I wish we were kind of recording because we were talking about just
1:44  Speaker 2:  the difference in food from, you know, Will just got back from Italy and we were talking, which everybody's heard these conversations, people that go to Italy and the food and
1:54  Speaker 2:  what Will was saying, just put words out of take words out of his mouth was it was bland, but it was great. And he didn't feel heavy.
2:00  Speaker 2:  And we were thinking like, that's just how food's supposed to taste, not full of sugar and sea oils and like stuff to make you get addicted. You know what I mean?
2:09  Speaker 2:  It's pretty sad that that's the world that we live in, but that's
2:13  Speaker 2:  where we're at. Yeah. And my stomach is reeling still
2:17  Speaker 0:  now that I've been back, like not happy eating this, anything that's not just fresh food.
2:24  Speaker 0:  I can feel it directly. I've heard that story over and over again too. Just to let you know. Probably, I mean, I probably lost, I probably probably could lost like 8 pounds. You do look thinner, bro.
2:35  Speaker 0:  And it just fat. Like I could tell it's like down here fat.
2:39  Speaker 0:  Maybe it was the
2:41  Speaker 0:  chronic sweating because of the heat
2:44  Speaker 0:  and swimming. But you know, on a vacation, I always try to like not really work out and let my whole injuries heal because there's always, if you lift enough every day,
2:53  Speaker 0:  will have this stuff. But we did a lot of swimming in saltwater,
2:57  Speaker 0:  in heat and eat really good. I guess you stay in Positano and you're walking straight up mountains all the time. But
3:05  Speaker 0:  I feel way better until I order little Caesar's pizza with my kid and have a pie piece of pizza and it like ruined my day the next day. So
3:15  Speaker 0:  the
3:15  Speaker 0:  food is it's like, it's amazing. It actually, it really amazed me the difference of,
3:20  Speaker 0:  don't realize it then and there, but man, what the difference is between adulterated
3:26  Speaker 0:  crap food and
3:27  Speaker 0:  their
3:28  Speaker 0:  real
3:29  Speaker 0:  food.
3:30  Speaker 2:  Because this is all we've known, you know, I mean, maybe some of us, cause I'm almost 50. So maybe some of us got some of the old school stuff, but like,
3:38  Speaker 2:  that's why we, this is all, this is what we've known. But like, if like you have Italians come to America, they're like, what is this shit? You know what mean? Like, what is this? What is this taste? What is it? You know, they're not in shock.
3:49  Speaker 3:  Yeah. It's just sugar. They taste the sugar. There's sugar and everything. Like, people don't even realize there's, like, sugar and salads.
3:54  Speaker 3:  You know what I mean? There's
3:56  Speaker 3:  a patient of mine that came from you guys and he's from Australia.
4:01  Speaker 3:  I just talked to him about a month ago and he said, Man, I
4:05  Speaker 3:  go to Australia. He goes, There's real food there. He goes, This food here tastes like, even he goes, the best food here tastes like the worst we got over there. Wow. You know, they got good. That sucks. They got great agricultural farming in Australia too, Italy. Like I said, Costa Rica was great food. You know, there was, it just, different. Yeah. I mean, we've all been places to where,
4:26  Speaker 2:  Scott was just saying that,
4:28  Speaker 2:  he just got back from Costa Rica. Same thing if you go to Hawaii, I mean, you get the pokey that they catch that day.
4:35  Speaker 2:  I mean, there is a difference about how amazing that it and the cool thing about Hawaii is
4:41  Speaker 2:  a lot of times, Alyssa and I will just go to the grocery store, then they have like 15 different options caught that day. Yeah. And we're like, we're tired, so we just go to
4:49  Speaker 2:  room and just eat that. And it's caught that day. It's so amazing.
4:53  Speaker 2:  You know what I mean? Or
4:55  Speaker 3:  our grocery store that it's been just not doing well. And this is wild caught fish. That's a big difference. Farm drink. You got a sushi bar here. You you got to ask for the wild caught selections because so much of it is, you know, farmed race selection, which isn't always the best, you know? Yeah.
5:11  Speaker 2:  Kind of sucks, you know, just simply because,
5:14  Speaker 2:  you know, we're all into the same stuff. You know, I've been friends with both these guys for a very long time. I've been with Scott before
5:20  Speaker 2:  he was Doctor. Scott. And, that's a long time because we're old,
5:24  Speaker 2:  but
5:25  Speaker 2:  nutrition
5:26  Speaker 2:  is such the base
5:28  Speaker 2:  of everything. I mean, you really can
5:31  Speaker 2:  heal most things with nutrition.
5:34  Speaker 2:  Now there's a lot of autoimmune issues and things like that these days that like maybe even the nutrition can fight against some of the bacterias and some of the stuff going on in the gut. I mean, you're,
5:44  Speaker 2:  I don't know anybody that's better at gut health than you,
5:49  Speaker 2:  but that's kind of some of the stuff that we want to dig into. I know Doctor.
5:54  Speaker 2:  Scott's been on the show quite a bit and we've talked about a lot of different things, but he reached out to me the other day and said, Hey, I'd like to kind of come on and
6:03  Speaker 2:  talk about some of the stuff that I've seen in blood work because he runs deep, deep, deep panels. I've shared about him running my deep panel then which turned into a stool test and all that stuff,
6:14  Speaker 2:  And we'll talk about that, but you
6:16  Speaker 2:  were concerned.
6:18  Speaker 2:  You see a lot of men that are running gear, which if you don't know what that means, it means steroids,
6:24  Speaker 2:  anabolics.
6:27  Speaker 2:  For, I'm gonna probably burst somebody's bubble right now or people's bubble when I say this. So if you don't want your bubble to be bursts, plug your ears.
6:36  Speaker 2:  Ladies and gentlemen, most men that are super jacked and ripped are running gear.
6:41  Speaker 2:  And I know that, I remember I told my wife that back in the day, she's like, no. You're gonna get some crap from that. Yeah. And it's the truth. Listen, listen, I'm an honest guy. There's a 1 person truth adage. Yeah,
6:53  Speaker 2:  right. I'm not saying it's not like ever, like it's not 100% of the time, but let's just call it what it is because
7:00  Speaker 2:  men want to look good. Women want to look good and like win run gear.
7:05  Speaker 2:  You're here today to talk about some of the things that negatives that you're seeing on the blood work. And this is going to be a good conversation because you don't usually reach out to me and say, Hey man, I think I should talk about this. So that's odd for you. So let's kind of dig into it. What are some of the things
7:19  Speaker 0:  that you're seeing that are of concern? Hey, can I add 1 interject real quick? The bursting of the bubble is also folks like you're probably gonna talk about people doing TRT.
7:28  Speaker 0:  Right? And
7:30  Speaker 0:  but taking a little bit more TRT or quite a bit more. Right? Like,
7:34  Speaker 0:  where's the line of steroids? Like, by the way, guys, like, testosterone,
7:39  Speaker 0:  Right. Steroids
7:40  Speaker 0:  if you're
7:41  Speaker 0:  doing a supraphysiological
7:43  Speaker 2:  amount. Yeah. When we say gear, running gear, it's generally running a steroid cycle. Like, TRT, if you're running it properly,
7:51  Speaker 2:  is generally about 1 50 to 1 80 megs a week. That's not exact, so don't like, don't normally lose their mind over that.
7:59  Speaker 2:  When you start going to higher doses, even if you're running 400 testosterone, like people will be like, I'm running TRT. No, you're not. Steroid
8:05  Speaker 2:  cycle. So
8:07  Speaker 2:  yeah, to be clear, great on that.
8:09  Speaker 2:  When we say gear or steroid cycles, it's guys that are running like
8:13  Speaker 2:  Tran, Mastro, Cream of All, and like we could go on and on. They're actually running steroid cycles for a specific reason to get big and ripped and buff, whatever their objective is. Including high dose of testosterone. High dose of- I want to differentiate
8:27  Speaker 3:  the TRT versus the ear side. And that's kind of what I was going say anyways was TRT, I think, is extremely important.
8:34  Speaker 3:  It's more physiologically getting someone to a place of balance.
8:38  Speaker 3:  You Right? Get them to the balance. It's not about going supra physiologic where we would go over. And that's where we start going into the gear side. So TRT is
8:47  Speaker 3:  not what I'm really talking about, although I think it's extremely important for people who are on TRT, not just men, right? Women too now, a lot of women going on it. Yeah. Is to just to make sure, you know, because all
8:59  Speaker 3:  anabolics are gonna fuel
9:01  Speaker 3:  certain issues in the body, you know, that might not be
9:05  Speaker 3:  likable. Okay. TRT,
9:08  Speaker 3:  doing that at a responsible
9:10  Speaker 3:  dose
9:11  Speaker 3:  and then
9:12  Speaker 3:  doing the things to help combat some of the unlikable things through supplementation,
9:16  Speaker 3:  diet, hydration,
9:19  Speaker 3:  Making sure you're getting that all in there and doing it responsibly, I think is not really who I'm talking about today. Because
9:25  Speaker 3:  this platform is, I get a lot of guys who are coming at me who are on the gear side. I always like you know, we talk about gear. I always like to compare it to like a football field. Know, you got, you got testosterone as the quarterback. Yeah. Right? You got, you got the running backs, right? That would be like Primo Bollin and maybe Mastron. You got the receivers. We got, you know, we got Winstrolin and Anovar. You got you got, oh, the tight end will be Tremblon. You got center, a deck of Dura Bowen. Right? And then and then who's the kicker? Right? Who I don't know. Who would the kicker be? This is the kicker without Anovar. Anovar is the kicker of So, Anovar's the kicker, bro.
10:01  Speaker 3:  You know, and then you're going to, you know, plays, you're going to use different players. So, guys are coming What's the objective? How are we going to get to the end zone? Exactly. And different
10:09  Speaker 3:  objectives, right? Are bulking?
10:11  Speaker 3:  Are you trying to lean out? And 1st of all, I am not
10:15  Speaker 3:  a proponent of anabolic steroid use. I want to put that out there. You see the blood work. It's damaging.
10:21  Speaker 3:  A lot of it's reversible and some of it is not reversible. There's irreversible damage to do an anabolic steroid. I'm going to put that out there. We're be juicy.
10:29  Speaker 3:  Let's get in. Yeah.
10:30  Speaker 3:  I'm
10:31  Speaker 3:  getting a lot of guys coming and
10:33  Speaker 3:  they're running labs sometimes right smack in the middle of their cycles and sometimes they're on the off cycle.
10:40  Speaker 3:  Again,
10:41  Speaker 3:  there's some guys that never go off. Got guys coming in, never go off.
10:46  Speaker 3:  You know, what
10:48  Speaker 3:  So I'm seeing here is there's a big difference whether you're going to run off cycle or on cycle 1st. So I always tell the patient that you're on, be ready. Going to see
10:57  Speaker 3:  an ugly report. I can almost guarantee you're going to see an ugly report. When you're off, get to see like, okay,
11:03  Speaker 3:  where are you at? When
11:05  Speaker 3:  you're in your normality,
11:07  Speaker 3:  has there been maybe some things that
11:10  Speaker 3:  are gone in the wrong direction,
11:13  Speaker 3:  both maybe
11:15  Speaker 3:  long term, maybe short term that can be reversed. What I like to do is there is a way to do it better. That's kind of what if you're gonna make the decision to do that and to go down that path, the anabolic steroid path,
11:26  Speaker 3:  there's always gonna be a better way to do it. Yeah, it costs money because you wanna run labs, you want to take supplementation. There's peptides now that we're
11:34  Speaker 3:  we'll get into about peptides that help with the anti inflammatory effect of what's, know, steroids cause inflammation in the body.
11:41  Speaker 3:  So, you know, when I see a lab report come in, let's just start with the guys who are in
11:47  Speaker 3:  the fire, I call it because they're right in the middle.
11:50  Speaker 3:  You'll see a lot of cardiovascular
11:53  Speaker 3:  inflammation and that's kind of seems to be the main issue is cardiovascular,
11:57  Speaker 3:  kidney, liver. Those ones seem to be affected a lot. And we gotta remember you guys, cardiovascular
12:04  Speaker 3:  disease is still the number
12:07  Speaker 3:  1 taker outer. I think it's heart attack is number 1 and stroke is still number 2. And I don't know how long that's been, but it hasn't changed.
12:15  Speaker 3:  Hey, even with Stanton drugs, it's still number 1 and number 2. So
12:22  Speaker 3:  I think that it's really important. I really like to go deep diving with, especially with the guys on anabolics into the cardiovascular
12:30  Speaker 3:  workup.
12:32  Speaker 3:  Outside of people who are not doing anabolics, if you're 40 and above, I still like to go kind of deeper into the cardiovascular workup. And when I say deeper, I mean going past total cholesterol, HDL, and LDL C. That's kind of what you get from an insurance panel and really kind of looking deep into these panels because
12:50  Speaker 3:  what I'm seeing is a lot of
12:53  Speaker 3:  vascular inflammation.
12:55  Speaker 3:  I'll see thyroid.
12:57  Speaker 3:  It does affect the thyroid to where even like into a functionally
13:02  Speaker 3:  hypo response,
13:04  Speaker 3:  meaning that the thyroid
13:05  Speaker 3:  may not be optimized as far as how it should be running. So when you have a hypothyroid response,
13:11  Speaker 3:  you do fuel LDL particles and
13:14  Speaker 3:  apolipoprotein
13:15  Speaker 3:  B.
13:17  Speaker 3:  Those are markers that we want to run too. Let me I think what I should probably do is go through a list of what I run.
13:24  Speaker 3:  The things that I would say for you guys who are doing these cycles, who really have no idea where they're at. I get a lot of guys who say, Hey, I've been running for a year or I've been running for 20 years, 30 And I just want to know, like, what has this been doing to my body? You know what I mean? And I think it's smart because
13:43  Speaker 3:  want to There's things You don't want to die. Well, yeah, that and there's ways you can There's things that you can take. There's things that you can do. There's lifestyle changes you can make while you're living that lifestyle to
13:53  Speaker 3:  help kind of manage, I guess. Sometimes even reverse eventually, you you go off cycle, you can reverse some of these things so that when you're going to go back on, you know that you've kind of come back down on some of this stuff. That's what it's called cycle. You go on and off. You don't stay on. Yeah. And again, I'm not here to ever tell anybody what to do on that. That's
14:13  Speaker 3:  not you. I
14:15  Speaker 3:  don't dictate how long to see steroids, what steroids to take. It's just not me. TRT, different story. TRT is a whole different ballgame. But I think what I like to start with is everything that
14:25  Speaker 3:  is in that cardiovascular
14:27  Speaker 3:  workup. We want to look at obviously blood sugar. Blood sugar is going to be important. You want to look at fasting glucose, you want look at your hemoglobin A1C and fasting insulin,
14:35  Speaker 3:  and then also what's called an LPIR. It's a lipoprotein insulin resistance score.
14:40  Speaker 3:  Because
14:41  Speaker 3:  insulin
14:42  Speaker 3:  fuels cardiovascular
14:44  Speaker 3:  disease just to let you know. Okay. You can have someone who has a good
14:49  Speaker 3:  fasting glucose and a decent hemoglobin A1C
14:51  Speaker 3:  but they got an insulin that's through the roof or they got an LP IR score that's elevated, you know, that goes through 0 to 100%.
14:59  Speaker 3:  You got these people that is fueling cardiovascular
15:03  Speaker 3:  disease. So you always want to look at insulin because also you
15:06  Speaker 3:  get high insulin and then you got some, you know, what else elevates when we do, you know, testosterone is estrogen.
15:14  Speaker 3:  So you get estrogen and insulin running together. That's kind of a disaster. So I always like to look Why though? Let's talk about that. I'm curious why.
15:21  Speaker 2:  What do you mean by that? Because they both fuel
15:24  Speaker 3:  lipoprotein,
15:25  Speaker 3:  meaning that they fuel
15:28  Speaker 3:  the arteriosclerotic
15:29  Speaker 3:  side together. They really fuel it hard. That's why insulin is such a big marker when you want to look at cardiovascular, it is looking at insulin. You want to get that insulin down. And the great news is Retatrutide,
15:41  Speaker 3:  do you know the GLPs are really making a big difference in bringing down the insulin fast?
15:48  Speaker 0:  Can I interject? So based on that, this is what I was going to ask. So what we know is, so if you do Reta, right, the GLP-one
15:55  Speaker 0:  activation
15:57  Speaker 0:  basically fills you with insulin. Does your body to produce insulin?
16:01  Speaker 0:  Am I wrong about that? Yeah. And then why is that?
16:05  Speaker 0:  But that is,
16:07  Speaker 3:  but that's bad. The mechanism behind the GLP is that it actually brings, I mean, it was produced. They were,
16:13  Speaker 3:  the reason why they made GLP was for diabetics. And
16:17  Speaker 3:  then we're starting to see all the other good effects on this. Right? So, you know, you do a GLP and we're seeing the triglyceride come down, which is huge too. We didn't even talk about that. Triglycerides is another big marker. But you're seeing the insulin come down, the HbA-1c come down and the triglyceride come down. So I'm just saying, I'm not just trying to promote, you know, Retta here. Just saying that like a lot of people and are on
16:38  Speaker 3:  it's I'm seeing good blood sugar patterns. Even the guys who are on the anabolics, it's great to see that those
16:45  Speaker 3:  levels are down. It's when I see that the insulin is high when they're running really high gear,
16:51  Speaker 3:  that's a red flag right away. I'll kind of stop and say, we need to start working on this insulin. How are you going to do that? How do you do that? A
16:57  Speaker 3:  lot of times their diet suck.
16:59  Speaker 3:  Insulin's usually driven by diet.
17:02  Speaker 3:  There's berberine, there's natural products that help to bring down. I use glycine, I use berberine. They're products that will kind of bring down high
17:09  Speaker 3:  insulin. So
17:10  Speaker 3:  just making sure that you're doing some things like with supplementation is another part of this talk. What supplements can we take to combat some of the things that we're gonna see that are elevated? Do you feel like when you see these guys coming in, and this is like a very wide question, so like, do your best with it. So do
17:27  Speaker 2:  you see the majority of the guys running gear
17:31  Speaker 2:  educated to the degree on knowing some of those things that they need to do to kinda like liver like, you know, running like liver clans and stuff like that? Or do you just see they are just kind of
17:42  Speaker 2:  Yeah. A lot of headlights. Yeah. A lot of them don't.
17:45  Speaker 3:  There's some that know what they're doing because they have a computer in their pocket. Maybe 20%.
17:49  Speaker 3:  Know what I mean? Like do some research. Mean, it's good to hear that there are some guys who are taking care of themselves while they're doing it. A lot of
17:59  Speaker 3:  a lot of them them aren't aren't. And
18:01  Speaker 3:  that's the ones that, you know, were of concern of me is to see like their lifestyle along with, you know,
18:07  Speaker 3:  alcohol involved,
18:08  Speaker 3:  you know, huge partying still.
18:11  Speaker 3:  I
18:12  Speaker 3:  mean, talk about disaster is the guys that are drinking alcohol.
18:16  Speaker 0:  Especially over 40. Oh man. I mean, that's where we hear some of the horror stories of these bodybuilders dying
18:21  Speaker 0:  is the guys who have been chronically abusing steroids, but also doing a whole bunch of cocaine and drinking a lot blood. Those are the people who end up
18:30  Speaker 0:  dying. Yeah,
18:32  Speaker 0:  exactly.
18:33  Speaker 3:  I mean, that's, that's,
18:35  Speaker 3:  you know, and I've seen that, you know, I'll see like, you know, on the questionnaire,
18:38  Speaker 3:  I'll see, yeah, you know, they're on antibiotics and how many drinks per week? 5 to 7 drinks per week. That's
18:45  Speaker 3:  gonna be This
18:46  Speaker 3:  ain't gonna look very pretty. I just, I warned them, this is not gonna look good. I'm just letting you know. So be prepared. I'm sure they know that. But let's continue down that list. We got the insulin. You want to look at kidney obviously, right? Because what anabolic steroids do is they obviously can increase blood pressure. So we want to look at kidney health. We want to look at the GFR. We want to look at creatinine level. We want to look at a cystatin C level. These are markers to kind of see the
19:09  Speaker 3:  BUN.
19:10  Speaker 3:  These are kind of an overlook at how's the kidney health doing?
19:14  Speaker 3:  If there is, it
19:17  Speaker 3:  does hurt the kidneys. That's just 1 thing. And that's 1 of the things that's a little harder when I talk about irreversible damage.
19:23  Speaker 3:  Now with there's supplementation and peptides that we're seeing in
19:27  Speaker 3:  market that help to heal kidney, actually change the GFR, which is called glomerular
19:33  Speaker 3:  filtration rate.
19:34  Speaker 3:  And that is the main marker for kidneys. How well are those kidneys functioning? That's how we gauge kidney failure, right?
19:41  Speaker 3:  Sometimes you'll see other things that can fuel that to look bad though, too. Dehydration can
19:47  Speaker 3:  fuel
19:48  Speaker 3:  maybe
19:49  Speaker 3:  unwanted
19:51  Speaker 3:  kidney markers.
19:52  Speaker 3:  We
19:54  Speaker 3:  want to look at kidney health. That's going to be really important, right? Because we know that elevated blood pressure is going to hurt the kidneys.
20:00  Speaker 3:  It takes a little longer to heal the kidney. Glutathione,
20:04  Speaker 3:  really good for healing. Great for the kidneys, by the way. Great for
20:08  Speaker 3:  NAD,
20:09  Speaker 3:  SS-31s.
20:10  Speaker 3:  There's been a lot of studies now on SS-31I
20:12  Speaker 3:  did a study on that myself and I raised my GFR by 10 points being on SS-31So
20:18  Speaker 3:  I think that the good news is we're, you get in the mess, we're finding more ways to get out of the mess now that we really didn't have 10 years ago. And
20:28  Speaker 3:  then I'll just keep going down the list. We got uric acid. People forget about uric acid. That is an inflammatory
20:34  Speaker 3:  marker. I like to throw that in the cardiovascular
20:37  Speaker 3:  workup because
20:38  Speaker 3:  it's
20:39  Speaker 3:  inflammatory. It's a free radical and uric acid is usually
20:43  Speaker 3:  easy. That's because of usually poor diet. That's usually because of over excessive. You'll see that with the drinkers, the IPA guys who like the IPA beers. That causes gout. We've heard the term gout. Extremely painful. It's extremely inflammatory. It's not good cardiovascular
20:58  Speaker 3:  wise either. We wanna look at the liver. Obviously, wanna look at AST,
21:03  Speaker 3:  ALT, and GGT and see how is the liver functioning, right? Obviously, that's a given. How do you and again, when you are on, you're going to see the AST and ALT go up. It's almost inevitable to see that, you know, when you're doing anabolics,
21:17  Speaker 3:  you're going to see
21:19  Speaker 3:  gonna hurt the liver. The good news about the liver though,
21:22  Speaker 3:  mean, the liver is 1 of those things that's just resilience.
21:26  Speaker 3:  You could cut 0.5 of it off, it'll grow back.
21:30  Speaker 3:  Detoxification
21:31  Speaker 3:  is easy with the liver. You can kind of reverse that damage. You could bring those AST and ALTs down, especially when they go off cycle and they do some detoxification,
21:39  Speaker 3:  rerun those liver markers, boom. You know, I like to see those around 12 to 25,
21:44  Speaker 3:  26. I like that range. When they're on antibiotics, you're seeing things up in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties sometimes. Right? So we know that that's a sign that the liver is being stressed.
21:56  Speaker 3:  Next, we want to look at the iron panel, I think is important to look at. Ferritin,
22:01  Speaker 3:  total iron, because sometimes being on anabolic will drive up iron levels. And iron is a interesting It's a nutrient we all need. We need iron.
22:10  Speaker 3:  It helps to mature red blood cells.
22:12  Speaker 3:  If you don't have it, you're anemic,
22:15  Speaker 3:  right? Because you're not gonna have good red blood cells. Red blood cells, what's their purpose? They carry oxygen to those 30,000,000,000,000 cells that make up our body and they carry nutrients to the cell so that that cell can make ATP.
22:29  Speaker 3:  Energy, right? The mitochondria, right? It needs that. So too much iron though is very toxic to the body. It hurts the cardiovascular system. It hurts the heart, the liver, the brain. It's
22:41  Speaker 3:  toxic. I
22:43  Speaker 3:  would say it's almost as toxic as mercury if it's too high. Right? So you wanna look at the ferritin, you wanna look at the total iron and what's called the percent saturation in total iron binding capacity. It's a 4 marker panel in there to kind of get an overall look at what's going on with the iron physiology.
22:59  Speaker 3:  We know that testosterone
23:01  Speaker 3:  just in itself
23:02  Speaker 3:  causes more red blood cell production.
23:06  Speaker 3:  Sometimes you're always going to see sometimes a little bit of an elevation in the iron and sometimes you'll see other patterns also.
23:13  Speaker 3:  Certain anabolics are interesting. They can do certain things with iron. Some of them will increase iron. Some of them will decrease iron. See both
23:20  Speaker 3:  different patterns with different types of anabolic, which is kind of interesting. Like oils compared to
23:25  Speaker 3:  No, it's actually anabolic.
23:27  Speaker 0:  Like trend versus Versus EQV.
23:30  Speaker 0:  Yeah.
23:32  Speaker 2:  There are big differences between all of those men.
23:34  Speaker 3:  They do different things in the body on the physiology of the blood And
23:38  Speaker 3:  I'm learning a lot through your platform because I'm getting to see all these guys on all these different anabolics and what they're using and how are these ones affecting
23:45  Speaker 3:  the blood this way. How are these ones affecting the blood this way? So
23:49  Speaker 3:  I'm learning. It's really great. I'm stoked.
23:52  Speaker 3:  Yes, iron, very important. And then we get to the
23:55  Speaker 3:  famous
23:56  Speaker 3:  lipid profile
23:58  Speaker 3:  that we all know. We got total cholesterol,
24:01  Speaker 3:  triglyceride,
24:03  Speaker 3:  HDL and LDL. And then you'll get some ratios in there. You get the ratios. So I think the most important marker of that is the triglyceride.
24:11  Speaker 3:  To let you know, out of that is the triglyceride marker.
24:14  Speaker 2:  Would normal doctors like an MD agree with you on that? I think so. Well,
24:20  Speaker 3:  I don't know. That's a good question.
24:23  Speaker 2:  Don't know if they would like We
24:25  Speaker 3:  know that triglyceride fuels something that no 1
24:28  Speaker 3:  Has anybody ever heard of VLDL?
24:30  Speaker 3:  Very Low Density Lipoprotein?
24:31  Speaker 3:  That's what I'm saying.
24:33  Speaker 3:  Sometimes you'll see that measurement from med doctors. It's great, you know, cardiologists and things like that. But triglyceride pretty much almost directly fuels what's called the VLDL,
24:43  Speaker 3:  the very low density lipoprotein.
24:45  Speaker 3:  LDL
24:47  Speaker 3:  is low density lipoprotein. HDL is high density lipoprotein.
24:52  Speaker 3:  LDL has been villainized
24:55  Speaker 3:  as the bad guy.
24:57  Speaker 3:  And HDL is called the good guy. And he's not a bad guy. I was like, give the guy a break for God's sake. For 60 years, he's been beat down into the bad guy because
25:05  Speaker 3:  somebody wants to put you on a statin.
25:07  Speaker 3:  LDL
25:09  Speaker 3:  C,
25:10  Speaker 3:  there's a difference between we're talking about LDL C and LDL P. LDL C is elevated. They just want to throw you on a statin drug and not look at anything.
25:17  Speaker 0:  Insanity. Yeah.
25:19  Speaker 3:  The LDL is responsible for carrying cholesterol from the liver out to the tissues. That's why he's the bad guy.
25:26  Speaker 3:  Because he's the 1 that is going to go and collect inside your arteries if you have
25:31  Speaker 3:  an unhealthy
25:33  Speaker 3:  cardiovascular
25:34  Speaker 3:  system, unhealthy lifestyle. Okay? So he's called the bad guy, but he's also the 1 that carries cholesterol
25:40  Speaker 3:  to your brain.
25:41  Speaker 3:  Your hormones are made of cholesterol. The building Like, amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. Well, guess what the building blocks of your hormones are? Cholesterol,
25:50  Speaker 3:  right? It also is responsible for the, you know, all the cells. You got 30,000,000,000,000 cells in your body, the membrane of the
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26:51  Speaker 3:  The cell is partially made of cholesterol. So cholesterol is very important. Hell, yeah. It's not a villain. It's not a bad guy. You wanna have a good balance. The HDL is called the good guy because he's the trucks. Let's just compare the Let's compare the lipoprotein
27:05  Speaker 3:  profiles to trucks that carry the cholesterol around the body. LDL moves it out. HDL moves it back to the liver. Right? So you wanna have a good balance. You wanna have a You don't wanna have like, even if you have like decent LDL
27:18  Speaker 3:  and a very low HDL, that's a little off. You wanna try to get HDL up because you want a good ratio of moving in. Trucks, I always like to use a construction site. Big truck, dump trucks moving in, dump trucks moving out. The sand and the rocks and the rubble, that's the cholesterol. You're moving this stuff around the body, But
27:35  Speaker 3:  VLDL gets fueled directly by triglycerides
27:38  Speaker 3:  for the most part. And VLDL is
27:41  Speaker 3:  very inflammatory at the vascular level, just like LDL, VLDL is very inflammatory also. There's also 1 called IDL, which is a very small portion of the particle.
27:51  Speaker 3:  But
27:53  Speaker 3:  you wanna look at that triglycerides
27:55  Speaker 3:  being high
27:56  Speaker 3:  with an elevation in the liver enzymes, AST and ALT,
28:01  Speaker 3:  I don't even have to run an ultrasound.
28:04  Speaker 3:  It's a fatty liver and we do not want a fatty liver. When you start seeing triglycerides go up, gonna pretty much start to say, That is gonna be a fatty liver. That can be a lot, cause a lot of problems.
28:14  Speaker 3:  You know, the liver's got about 1000 functions and all those functions are going to go, you
28:18  Speaker 3:  know, down. So liver, very important organ of the body as we know, right? Because it's got so many functions. Give us a breakdown
28:25  Speaker 0:  highlight for everybody. Just some of the basic, like, what does the liver do for a person? Give us some of the biggest things, the biggest things that the liver does. Detoxification, vitamin
28:34  Speaker 3:  makes and storage cholesterol. It makes cholesterol and stores cholesterol.
28:38  Speaker 3:  It helps you to,
28:40  Speaker 3:  with immune immunity,
28:42  Speaker 3:  bile flow to make sure, mean, the list goes on and on. There's just so much that the liver is responsible for helping
28:49  Speaker 3:  with proteins, breaking down proteins so that you can make immune products and transports
28:55  Speaker 3:  hormones around the body. I mean,
28:58  Speaker 3:  it's a huge organ that's very, very important.
29:01  Speaker 3:  In anabolics and alcoholism,
29:04  Speaker 3:  what do they do? They hammer- Worse even anabolics, would imagine, right?
29:09  Speaker 3:  Alcoholism is
29:10  Speaker 3:  hard.
29:12  Speaker 3:  Not talking about just fueling the fire. Yeah.
29:16  Speaker 3:  Yeah, again, we talked about triglycerides fueling that, and then we want to go into the thyroid, right? Thyroid kind of brushed up on that.
29:23  Speaker 3:  I like to run a bigger thyroid panel.
29:27  Speaker 3:  Sometimes you get 2 or 3 markers. I think it's more important to look at it a little bit more. I do 10 markers.
29:33  Speaker 3:  You always want to look at the autoimmune side.
29:35  Speaker 3:  Hashimoto's is the autoimmune side of thyroid. Pretty prevalent in a lot of that in today's, in our country.
29:43  Speaker 3:  Is that seed oils? Like, why? Is
29:46  Speaker 3:  it the seed oils, the sugar? Is it the
29:49  Speaker 3:  stuff in the air? I mean- It's a combination of things. A lot of it's gut,
29:53  Speaker 3:  gut, gut issues that fuel, you know, autoimmunity,
29:57  Speaker 3:  gut pathogens
29:58  Speaker 3:  that are causing What I'm doing on my Hashimoto patients is I go to the gut and I kind of do that 1st.
30:06  Speaker 3:  It's
30:07  Speaker 3:  pretty good. It's pretty foolproof
30:09  Speaker 3:  because
30:10  Speaker 3:  you find Usually there's these specific bacteria
30:13  Speaker 3:  that I see very common. One's called Klebsiella pneumoniae, the 1 Citrobacter Friendi. I see those elevated
30:19  Speaker 3:  in these patients. Right? Sorry, I'm boring you, CJC. No, no.
30:24  Speaker 0:  Are you yawning?
30:26  Speaker 3:  I'm not. If I'm going make this a little more interesting, I'm to put your audience to sleep.
30:30  Speaker 0:  Anyways- I love this this stuff. We're We're talk about this keep stuff eradicating
30:33  Speaker 3:  the infection,
30:34  Speaker 3:  rebuilding the gut, the lining of the gut. Autoimmunity is easy because you've got leaky gut involved with dysbiosis,
30:41  Speaker 3:  meaning the gut's off. That kind of fuels the autoimmune side. I know there's more to it, but I'm really seeing awesome. So I'm seeing the autoimmune markers just dive, you know, through gut health. Gluten,
30:53  Speaker 3:  I hate to say this, but- You mean going dive like mean they're going down? Going down? Yeah, sometimes completely negative.
30:59  Speaker 3:  Like where you could say, you no longer have Hashimoto.
31:02  Speaker 0:  Wow.
31:04  Speaker 3:  Then gluten's a big 1 for the Hashimoto
31:06  Speaker 3:  people. Celiac number 1, right? Yeah, celiac disease, you gotta stay away from gluten. Number 2, I'd say, Watch out, man. You got those
31:13  Speaker 3:  autoantibodies
31:14  Speaker 3:  for the thyroid gluten in our country. In our country, by the Not
31:18  Speaker 3:  Italy, I don't think. In our country, for some reason, gluten really kind of starts to fuel, you know, can fuel the Hashimoto's. We're finding that's been We've been talking about that for 10 years now, and that's been happening and we still kind of believe that.
31:31  Speaker 3:  Yeah, thyroid is important because patterns
31:34  Speaker 3:  of hypo even hyperthyroidism,
31:37  Speaker 3:  we've to rule that out. That can hurt you. Cardiovascular
31:40  Speaker 3:  also is hyper. You want to have a nice balanced thyroid.
31:44  Speaker 3:  Being on anabolics,
31:46  Speaker 3:  a lot of times it's to temporarily
31:48  Speaker 0:  alter
31:50  Speaker 3:  the thyroid profile. And it's expected.
31:54  Speaker 3:  I expect to see Remember,
31:56  Speaker 3:  run 10 markers because there's about 14
31:59  Speaker 3:  patterns of thyroid dysfunction.
32:01  Speaker 3:  I'm expecting to see 2, 3, or 4 patterns of thyroid
32:05  Speaker 3:  dysfunction where it's not going to be optimal, but it's good to see. It's good to see because hypothyroidism
32:10  Speaker 3:  will fuel
32:11  Speaker 3:  some of those LDL particles.
32:13  Speaker 3:  Because it doesn't allow the
32:16  Speaker 3:  liver needs to clear out. It's another thing for the liver is to clear out the LDL,
32:21  Speaker 3:  some of the particles.
32:22  Speaker 3:  You'll have a lower clearance because
32:25  Speaker 3:  of a hypothyroid pattern.
32:28  Speaker 3:  So you want to look at thyroid
32:30  Speaker 3:  and then we want to keep moving on here. So we've got thyroid.
32:33  Speaker 3:  Next, we want to look at
32:35  Speaker 3:  A big 1 is homocysteine and I'm glad to see that.
32:40  Speaker 3:  You never used to see this come from a panel from an insurance doctor and I'm starting to see this now because
32:45  Speaker 3:  homocysteine
32:46  Speaker 3:  is
32:49  Speaker 3:  a big 1. It's a big 1 for the cardiovascular workup because it is
32:53  Speaker 3:  really inflammatory. What homocysteine does, it comes from the breakdown of protein.
32:58  Speaker 3:  Okay?
32:59  Speaker 3:  So yeah, if you eat a lot of protein, will you see elevation in homocysteine?
33:03  Speaker 3:  Maybe a little bit, but really what you wanna do is you wanna make sure that homocysteine
33:08  Speaker 3:  is not really high. I like it to see it on a level of 7 and below.
33:14  Speaker 3:  When
33:15  Speaker 3:  most people, even not on anabolic in today's world, have elevated homocysteine.
33:20  Speaker 3:  I've seen
33:21  Speaker 3:  a guy at 50.
33:23  Speaker 3:  Sometimes this is due to a genetic issue, something called the MTHFR
33:27  Speaker 3:  genetic
33:27  Speaker 3:  gene defect.
33:29  Speaker 3:  You can get tested for that. I don't normally run into that unless I see a really, really high homocysteine.
33:35  Speaker 3:  But homocysteine comes from the breakdown of protein. It's a byproduct.
33:40  Speaker 3:  The liver
33:42  Speaker 3:  has 6 conveyor belts
33:45  Speaker 3:  for detoxification.
33:46  Speaker 3:  Different things go down these different conveyor belts. You got the methylation pathway,
33:51  Speaker 3:  you got the sulfonation,
33:53  Speaker 3:  glucuronidation,
33:54  Speaker 3:  the glutathione pathway, and there's what's called 2 amino acid pathways. And certain things have to get detoxified through 1 of those conveyor belts. Homocysteine gets methylated.
34:05  Speaker 3:  Methylation.
34:06  Speaker 3:  So if homocysteine is high,
34:08  Speaker 0:  you're
34:09  Speaker 3:  not methylating properly for some reason.
34:13  Speaker 3:  Could be that the kidneys could be the problem.
34:15  Speaker 3:  Sometimes kidney disease will cause Because kidneys have to excrete the homocysteine.
34:20  Speaker 3:  So you gotta make sure you gotta look at the whole picture. This guy got kidney failure. You might see high homocysteine. Kidneys are good. He's got high homocysteine.
34:27  Speaker 3:  We need to do something about that. It's really easy. You just gotta methylate.
34:31  Speaker 3:  I'll get into that in a 2nd. But why is homocysteine so bad?
34:35  Speaker 3:  And it's really been under looked for so many years. It actually,
34:40  Speaker 3:  it's a free radical. I don't know if you've ever heard that term before, but it actually goes through the bloodstream and it kind of tears up the inside of those smooth vessels.
34:49  Speaker 3:  So we want smooth
34:50  Speaker 3:  vessels, so blood flows smoothly through. It kind of tears it up so that those
34:56  Speaker 3:  lipoprotein
34:56  Speaker 3:  particles, what we haven't even got to yet,
34:59  Speaker 3:  are gonna park inside those
35:01  Speaker 3:  chopped grooves and it fuels
35:04  Speaker 3:  cardiovascular
35:05  Speaker 3:  disease. It's also becoming an Alzheimer's marker now too for Alzheimer's,
35:09  Speaker 3:  which is interesting. So homocysteine,
35:12  Speaker 3:  just people need to methylate. And methylation is simple. I use B vitamins. There's B6, B12, and methylfolate.
35:20  Speaker 3:  Particularly,
35:21  Speaker 3:  I like those.
35:22  Speaker 3:  They pack those into 1 product and it really does the job of bringing down
35:27  Speaker 3:  homocysteine.
35:28  Speaker 3:  There is some talk though about, Oh, it's just bringing down the number enough.
35:33  Speaker 3:  Is it enough just to see that homocysteine down? Is that gonna save you from cardiovascular
35:37  Speaker 3:  disease again? No, you gotta look at the whole picture. You gotta look at the whole workup. It's a good thing to have down low because you definitely don't want it high. And if you methylate, you methylate a lot people, we lack B vitamins.
35:49  Speaker 3:  There's a lot of people nutrient
35:51  Speaker 3:  wise, we're not getting it. People who drink alcohol deplete B vitamins, stress depletes B vitamins, blood sugar issues deplete B vitamins. Cortisol probably. Cortisol issues. So yeah, I mean, we gotta look at the whole platform and the whole picture of what would be causing that. It is pretty typical and it's so cheap and so effective to just methylate.
36:10  Speaker 3:  Any guy, even on TRT,
36:12  Speaker 3:  they come to me, they wanna go on TNT. I say, Hey, say, you're If going to do this, you got to methylate because the testosterone, even being on TRT, will elevate the homocysteine level to some degree. It's just a good rule of thumb to follow
36:25  Speaker 2:  for health. So you're saying methylated, but you're saying taking B vitamins. Methylators
36:30  Speaker 3:  are the B vitamins. Okay. B vitamins are the So you're saying that the way how you say that to them is you say take these B vitamins. Yeah. That's it. Okay. And there's other methylators, by the way. There's other things besides just the B vitamins. There's other methylated products. Some certain,
36:44  Speaker 3:  products can cause anxiety in people.
36:47  Speaker 3:  So you might have to shift the product to a different methylator
36:50  Speaker 3:  to make sure that you're getting that homocysteine down. It's just dependent on the patient. I always start with 1, are you doing on this? Oh man, I'm feeling anxious, anxiety. Okay, we got to flip that out. Very rare, but it happens and it's happened to me in practice.
37:03  Speaker 3:  But it's fine. We just, there's another route. We just go this route and I'll do this methylator. This one's fine. I don't feel that anxiety and anxiousness on Is,
37:10  Speaker 0:  is, is rapid or either these people who are taking Reta and they're losing 50 pounds in 3 months,
37:18  Speaker 0:  Could you explain to us why that,
37:21  Speaker 0:  like the losing of all of that
37:23  Speaker 0:  fat and muscle? Also, you said that homocysteine is a byproduct of
37:27  Speaker 0:  broke down proteins.
37:29  Speaker 0:  Does that mean,
37:32  Speaker 0:  burning lots of muscle off of your body? No. It's not dietary.
37:37  Speaker 0:  Okay. So I don't know. I guess everybody, could you explain some of the bad things that can happen to a person when you lose weight way too fast? Yeah, I think what happens is we got to watch out for the bile flow.
37:50  Speaker 3:  Kidney stones. I'm not sorry, kidney stones, gallstones.
37:53  Speaker 3:  Backing that up because
37:55  Speaker 3:  Retta does slow down digestion, slows down bile flow.
37:58  Speaker 3:  That is 1 of the things about when patients come to you and they want to do Retta, I always want to ask them about their gallbladder history. Do you have a gallbladder 1st? Number 1. Number 2, do you have the symptoms of potential gallbladder issues? There's people who I, you know, and on labs, you can look at labs and see if there's gallbladder. You look at what's called alkaline phosphatase and a GGT.
38:18  Speaker 3:  If those are both elevated,
38:21  Speaker 3:  there's a good chance and they're having symptoms. They belch a lot, they're gassy, they might get pain, you know, under their right rib cage.
38:28  Speaker 3:  High fat meals cause distress to them. Their poops float. They don't sink. That's a sign of, you know, poor
38:35  Speaker 3:  fat malabsorption,
38:37  Speaker 0:  right? The call- I thought that was a good thing. I thought it was good to have your poop float. No, it's not good. Oh. Yeah, you want it to sink.
38:44  Speaker 3:  You want to sink. Sorry, I'm sorry. Sinking poops. Okay.
38:47  Speaker 3:  Okay. Yeah, because if you have a floating poop,
38:50  Speaker 3:  means there's lot of fat in there. Okay. So that's a potential that you're not digesting your fats very well, which what would that be from? That would be from usually gallbladder issues. Because the gallbladder is responsible for bile acids and
39:03  Speaker 3:  enzymes that break down the fat so that you can absorb the essential fatty acids and the cholesterol and things like that. So, like
39:09  Speaker 3:  you said, going back to your question, Will, about all that fat loss real quick, I've seen it on labs.
39:14  Speaker 3:  I've seen the fat. I just lost 40 pounds. I run the labs and I see the lipoprotein. I see the profiles are really kind of up. Like, you'll see the cholesterols and you'll see that up because they are just Yeah. They're trying to get rid of all that out of their body and it's backing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're losing their weight. That's a good question, Will, because I wouldn't even think to talk about that, but I've seen that and it's been like, wow, check Because this
39:36  Speaker 3:  you can look at labs before
39:38  Speaker 3:  then and you can, you know, people have labs, you know, because they send me all their labs, right? And then I run mine. So
39:44  Speaker 3:  it's like, Hey, you know, it's like, you get to see like, Wow, look what a difference is. This doesn't look good. But
39:49  Speaker 3:  you know, you can tell, Hang in there because you just lost 50 pounds.
39:53  Speaker 3:  Hang in there. This is gonna look Yeah. Really gonna It's It's gonna It's be
40:05  Speaker 3:  I mean, I see way more gonna good than bad. Someone's got gallbladder issues, let's fix that 1st before you go on Retta because that can be a problem. You got major gut issues, you're only pooping once a week, probably That would suck.
40:19  Speaker 3:  There's people Especially if eat Hey, I got people, they haven't pooped in 2 weeks. That's great. That is really bad. It's a severe issue.
40:27  Speaker 3:  Can you imagine that? No, that would be nice. I just got 1, a new 1, 3 weeks.
40:33  Speaker 3:  No poop. Went away, went on vacation for 3 weeks, didn't poop the whole time. Oh my gosh.
40:37  Speaker 3:  Wow. So what's that doing? Ate
40:41  Speaker 0:  food. Yeah. How do you feel exactly? Where does it go then?
40:45  Speaker 0:  Do you mean?
40:48  Speaker 3:  Then you can think about all the bacterial overgrowth.
40:51  Speaker 3:  Mean,
40:51  Speaker 3:  talk about a disaster. I got my work cut out for me. How do you fix that?
40:55  Speaker 3:  1st of you got to find out why. So you run stool testing, course.
41:00  Speaker 0:  Blood testing. But like, I can't change it. Yeah, I know how you do that. Just force Anyway. Eventually they go.
41:06  Speaker 3:  Eventually they go. And again, you want to look at not just stool, want to look at blood. Is there something that's fueling that also in the blood work that's going to give us ideas? Something's not right. So we
41:19  Speaker 3:  got through homocysteine.
41:20  Speaker 3:  CRPC
41:21  Speaker 3:  reactive protein, protein,
41:23  Speaker 3:  great inflammatory marker. It's hands a down 1 of the better ones. If that's high,
41:28  Speaker 3:  that means there's a serious inflammatory process going on in the body.
41:34  Speaker 3:  It's a gauge. It's like ferritin. I talked about iron. Right? Ferritin is called an acute phase reactant. CRPA I believe CRPA is acute phase reactant also. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But it's kind of like gauges. When you're treating someone, you want to see those going in the right direction because you know that things are getting better. Because those are both signs of something is not right. Something's inflammatory in the body, whether it's cancer,
41:56  Speaker 3:  autoimmune disease, infections,
41:58  Speaker 3:  heart disease,
42:00  Speaker 3:  inflammation,
42:00  Speaker 3:  inflammation, inflammation, which is the number 1 killer really in the country is inflammation because everything that falls under that is usually an inflammatory disease.
42:08  Speaker 3:  So CRP, really big inflammatory marker. Another big 1 here, you guys, is fibrinogen.
42:13  Speaker 3:  And especially with anabolic steroid users,
42:16  Speaker 3:  fibrinogen is a protein that's made in the liver. That's another thing the liver does that makes fibrinogen. It's a clotting protein.
42:22  Speaker 3:  It
42:25  Speaker 3:  will cause a stroke.
42:27  Speaker 3:  So if you've high fibrinogen
42:29  Speaker 3:  and let's just say you throw in high insulin
42:32  Speaker 3:  with high fibrinogen
42:34  Speaker 3:  and high triglyceride,
42:36  Speaker 3:  you're a walking time long if you ask me.
42:38  Speaker 3:  But the good news about fibrinogen is there's, again,
42:42  Speaker 3:  I don't know if you've heard of nattokinase. Have you heard of Yeah. Great, man. It's a proteolytic enzyme that breaks down fibrinogen.
42:49  Speaker 3:  It's good for blood pressure.
42:51  Speaker 3:  NAD-0KIN is a great product for guys on anabolic steroids because usually I see an elevation in fibrinogen that scares me a little bit. So I say, if you're going to do this, get on the nano and stay on it even when you're even when you're off,
43:04  Speaker 3:  get on nano and then let's keep checking that fibrinogen. It brings fibrinogen.
43:08  Speaker 3:  It'll bring it down. It works. It does work. So,
43:11  Speaker 3:  but again, fibrinogen is 1 of those markers that is part of that cardiovascular
43:15  Speaker 3:  cascade.
43:17  Speaker 3:  ESR, I like to run what's called ESR, eosinophil sedimentation rate.
43:21  Speaker 3:  Again, it's not a big 1 for cardiovascular, but it is an overall inflammatory
43:24  Speaker 3:  marker.
43:25  Speaker 3:  Just another inflammatory gauge to kind of see where you're at on that inflammatory
43:29  Speaker 3:  cascade.
43:30  Speaker 2:  I think,
43:32  Speaker 2:  because we're coming up and I wanna get into some questions and whatnot, what we'll do is we'll have you put a list so people can find it on some of our things.
43:40  Speaker 2:  What are some of the biggest fears you're seeing? Like, you like, what are what are the markers that you have seen? I know you've touched on a little bit, but like guys that are running gear that have made you fearful and this is kind of a problem. What are they? Yeah, so the lipoprotein particles, haven't talked about LDL particles,
43:55  Speaker 3:  high small particles.
43:56  Speaker 3:  We talked about LDL C, right? That's just basically looking at the amount of cholesterol that's moving out. But you want to look at the trucks. We measure the trucks called the particles.
44:05  Speaker 3:  Okay? So you look at how many trucks you have. Are they large trucks or small trucks? Large trucks are good. Small trucks are bad. Small trucks are the ones that clog the arteries. I measure the small LDL particles.
44:16  Speaker 3:  Those are really high. That's bad news. You got high fibrinogen,
44:19  Speaker 3:  high homocysteine.
44:20  Speaker 3:  That's really bad news. You got high uric acid, high insulin, high blood sugar. You see how it just keeps on fueling and filling in. You got low thyroid, you're gonna have a low thyroid response.
44:29  Speaker 3:  It's all of it. You know what I mean? And then you got the apolipoprotein
44:32  Speaker 3:  B
44:33  Speaker 3:  is another marker. And
44:35  Speaker 3:  that's the 1 that kind of looks at all the arterial sclerotic particles that you can have. It's kind of like an overall look. So it's another gauge look.
44:43  Speaker 3:  Not as specific. Specific would be LDL P,
44:47  Speaker 3:  right? Looking at the LDL particle. Epiloprotein
44:50  Speaker 3:  B is looking at the different ones, the IDL, the VLDL particle, the LDL particles, at kind of all of them. Okay? But there's another marker that's really important to you that I it's a little pricey to run.
45:01  Speaker 3:  It's called NT proBNP.
45:05  Speaker 3:  That stands for
45:06  Speaker 3:  N terminal proB
45:09  Speaker 3:  natural
45:10  Speaker 3:  natriuretic
45:11  Speaker 3:  peptide.
45:12  Speaker 3:  And that is a really good 1 because it tells me if the heart's been damaged.
45:16  Speaker 3:  Because anabolic steroids, that's 1 of the irreversible
45:19  Speaker 3:  things. Now we're talking about things that are irreversible.
45:22  Speaker 3:  So if you see that off
45:25  Speaker 3:  What is it called? It's called NT
45:29  Speaker 3:  pro,
45:32  Speaker 3:  B
45:33  Speaker 3:  as in Bob, N as in Nancy,
45:35  Speaker 3:  P as in peptide.
45:38  Speaker 3:  It's
45:39  Speaker 3:  just tell me like, is there damage going on? Is wall
45:43  Speaker 3:  of the heart being stretched because
45:46  Speaker 3:  of stress to the heart, because of high blood pressure? It's a great marker to see, Have I damaged my heart? I've been brought especially the guys who've been running it for 20, 30 years. Plus probably like high doses of HGH. Like we talk about HGH is a good thing, but like when you're running high doses, like everything grows. You
46:03  Speaker 2:  know, you're gonna see that stuff. I would imagine that affects that.
46:07  Speaker 3:  So it's a good 1. It's a good 1 to check, especially the guys who've been in the game for a while.
46:11  Speaker 3:  It's a good 1 for people too who just have high blood pressure. It doesn't have be on anabolic steroids. It's a great marker to run-in. The cardiologists run these. Cardiologists run it. Not all these, though. You're not going to see these- They won't run. You've been running to get all these. If you go to a cardiologist anytime, I've been lying on all exterior for 30 years.
46:30  Speaker 3:  They're probably going to run a lot. I would assume. I would hope so.
46:33  Speaker 3:  They're going to also, they're going to run, you know, they're going to do more imaging though too. They'll do the image. I don't, I can't do that. That's not in my office. So
46:40  Speaker 3:  some of the imaging can maybe keep you from having to run some of the markers. This is if you wanna stay away from the cardiologist, you wanna see what the blood's showing,
46:47  Speaker 3:  it'll give you a good sign. And then seeing the blood, you might wanna say, hey, might want to go get some imaging done.
46:53  Speaker 2:  This doesn't look good. You may have had some damage going on. You want to see what degree, you know? I mean, what's the degree of when somebody walks in where you're like, holy shit, you need to go to a doctor.
47:03  Speaker 2:  What are you, I'm assuming that's happened where you're like, guy's messed up. His blood,
47:07  Speaker 2:  all these markers are skyrocketed.
47:10  Speaker 2:  Have you had that?
47:12  Speaker 2:  Where you're like, bro, you need to go. I've
47:15  Speaker 3:  had some guys that I said, Hey, it's not a good idea, bro. Get off.
47:20  Speaker 3:  Let's get off. Do
47:22  Speaker 3:  this. Take these supplements, take these peptides,
47:25  Speaker 3:  take this diet,
47:26  Speaker 3:  and I'm gonna pray for you.
47:28  Speaker 3:  Then come back in 3 months and let's recheck and see things are gonna, you know, going back in the right direction here. People are gonna run gear.
47:35  Speaker 2:  That that that's the thing. They're gonna run gear. That's just they've done it forever. Like, at least at least, you know, when, you know, when a long years and years ago, there was not as much information at our fingertips. So now if you're running gear and you don't at least do some research, you're just being silly.
47:50  Speaker 2:  But let's
47:52  Speaker 2:  put down on paper for some of these guys that are gonna run gear that aren't gonna do the research themselves. What are some of the supplements
47:59  Speaker 2:  that they can take
48:01  Speaker 2:  that will at least help them that they should be running on a cycle? Okay. Ready? Yep. Do you rank the top 5 and then add more? Okay. All right. Omega
48:11  Speaker 3:  fish oil, high amounts, like 4 g a day
48:15  Speaker 3:  of omega-three fatty acids. Triglyceride form. How many milligrams? 4 g·g.
48:21  Speaker 3:  4000.
48:22  Speaker 3:  EPA and DHA combined. Triglyceride
48:25  Speaker 3:  form, that's really important, guys. Triglyceride form. Gotta say it on the bottle. TG form. Triglyceride form.
48:32  Speaker 3:  Nattokinase.
48:34  Speaker 3:  Absolutely. Yeah.
48:36  Speaker 3:  Natto because it's good for the blood pressure side too. Right?
48:41  Speaker 3:  Methylation support.
48:43  Speaker 0:  So
48:44  Speaker 0:  methylcobalamin
48:45  Speaker 3:  or something? Yeah, methylcobalamin,
48:47  Speaker 3:  methylfolate,
48:49  Speaker 3:  vitamin B6 is a really good methylator also. There's 1 called trimethylglycine.
48:54  Speaker 3:  That's a really good 1. Those are the ones you kind of see. Those are the common ones. They do the job. They do the job. And they stick those guys in 1 bottle and they're good to go. Yeah.
49:02  Speaker 0:  Bergamot.
49:03  Speaker 3:  Bergamot, big 1. That's good. Bergamot shifts, and I, again, test this on myself. It shifts the particles.
49:10  Speaker 3:  It shifts the particle size from
49:13  Speaker 3:  small to more large. It does kind of, you know, more cardiologists are starting to use bergamot. It's from Italy, by the way.
49:19  Speaker 3:  It comes from Italy. It's from a fruit called the bergamot Most things are If you look at our modern Glutathione
49:25  Speaker 0:  in Italy. Really? I didn't know that. Well, the good stuff comes from Italy. But just most of like the products and cheeses and meats and all this other stuff, you know, you think about it like the origins are
49:36  Speaker 0:  Italian.
49:37  Speaker 0:  He wants to be Italian. They've been around there for and absolutely no, I'm not Italian. But
49:42  Speaker 0:  they've been around a lot longer than The US. I think Will is a prime product.
49:47  Speaker 3:  Alright.
49:49  Speaker 3:  There's a That's 4.
49:52  Speaker 3:  Coenzyme Q10.
49:53  Speaker 0:  CoQ10.
49:54  Speaker 3:  Good for the heart, good for the system.
49:58  Speaker 3:  Magnesium.
49:59  Speaker 0:  Absolutely.
50:03  Speaker 3:  Some type of a,
50:05  Speaker 3:  liver product. There's a bunch of them, something to kind of help with liver support and bile flow.
50:12  Speaker 0:  What do you think of TUDCO versus N acetylcysteine?
50:16  Speaker 3:  Wonderful product, both of them. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of both of those. So N acetylcysteine is a great precursor if you're going to take glutathione.
50:24  Speaker 3:  I like to do the NAC, empty stomach. Then
50:28  Speaker 3:  in about 30 minutes, you dump the or inject it however you're to do it. Right? You can do it orally or injection. Glutathione, run the glutathione with the NAC. Really good combo. Great antioxidants.
50:38  Speaker 3:  Number 1 antioxidant in the body. The strongest antioxidant known to the human body is glutathione.
50:43  Speaker 2:  Yeah. So how many how many how much glutathione would you recommend a week, like a week? A week? I usually do it on a daily basis. You do it daily? I do it daily.
50:53  Speaker 3:  Injection? On and off. I run I run bottles. Okay. And I go off of it. Yeah. I go on and off of glutathione.
51:00  Speaker 0:  Injection,
51:05  Speaker 3:  like 80, right? About 80? Sounds about right. Daily?
51:08  Speaker 0:  Yep. Daily. Yeah.
51:10  Speaker 3:  I mean, orally, the buccal 1 I use, that's about 100 and,
51:15  Speaker 3:  I think it's like 100. I don't remember what the dose is on that. It's about 100 and,
51:19  Speaker 3:  maybe hundred and 50 mg.
51:22  Speaker 3:  For a full dose, sometimes I'll just do 0.5 a dose.
51:27  Speaker 3:  Yeah. Cool. And then, and as far as the NAC goes, whatever, 809 hundred milligrams
51:33  Speaker 3:  once or twice a day. I do them in the morning and night. You do it morning and night? Yeah.
51:38  Speaker 2:  NAC? Yeah, I do. So that guy, John, remember, he told us to do that.
51:43  Speaker 0:  Alright. Next question for you.
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52:46  Speaker 0:  Talked about you just gave us kind of a mix of peptides and supplements, but I just I'm curious. This is a peptide called peptide of the week. So we are talking about some peptide specific questions, but like, give me the rank, the top 5 peptides
52:58  Speaker 0:  for
53:00  Speaker 2:  internal
53:01  Speaker 0:  health and general health.
53:03  Speaker 0:  Okay. Not telling, not saying,
53:06  Speaker 0:  yeah. So- So are you talking like inflammation
53:09  Speaker 0:  or what do you need Anything internal organs, internal inflammation?
53:13  Speaker 2:  Yes. So I wouldn't be right. It's gotta be inflammation, right? So what are the top 5 peptides?
53:20  Speaker 3:  Well, I I think the BPC,
53:22  Speaker 3:  honestly. Right? TB, those are really you know, the Wolverine stack. Amazing. I I think internal health. I think that eventually, though, with the Wolverine, you shouldn't keep running Wolverine before I think you should split that up eventually. Eventually. Right? Yeah, I think so. I think need TB-five hundred every day for a long period of time. Think that they're finding that could maybe
53:39  Speaker 3:  you know, they're starting to we're starting to see issues,
53:41  Speaker 3:  you know, of certain things, you know, going going too long. But
53:45  Speaker 3:  think that that's, you know, that's a good 1. I think SS-thirty 1. I
53:49  Speaker 0:  really like that 1 a lot. I think it's getting a lot of attention. JD and I both have been taking, well, I don't know about you, but like I've been taking,
53:56  Speaker 0:  I've started to decide, I wanted to ease myself in a bit. So I've been taking 15 mg a day for the last 4 days. And with the goal, we'll be about we'll be 30 mg a day.
54:07  Speaker 3:  We had Jake Hamilton, and he was kinda recommending stuff. We were both, like, right after we went and grabbed a bottle. Does he what is he I was wondering, like, was there a study done on on that much? Like, why would you say 30 mg? Where does that come from? I'm just wondering. No. Mouth is so much. What he said was,
54:21  Speaker 0:  that
54:22  Speaker 0:  it comes from
54:24  Speaker 0:  some guy, right, you know, some some just some random ass guy who
54:29  Speaker 0:  has a huge experience of doing supplements,
54:32  Speaker 0:  etcetera, and that was his recommendation. This guy has some type of credentials the owner's license come behind? No, he doesn't.
54:39  Speaker 0:  Right. Because
54:41  Speaker 3:  that's a lot of money.
54:42  Speaker 0:  But if you look at, I mean, well, what do we know about SS-thirty 1? We know that it was up for like clinical trials and close to being FDA approved.
54:51  Speaker 0:  It did not get Why FDA it? I
54:54  Speaker 0:  don't know, but I know the company that was taking it there is bankrupt because
54:58  Speaker 0:  it costs a lot of money to take
55:00  Speaker 0:  And if it doesn't get through,
55:04  Speaker 0:  then all of your money goes away. What
55:07  Speaker 3:  a bummer. What a great Honestly,
55:10  Speaker 0:  it was like approved. They were trying to get it approved for,
55:14  Speaker 0:  I forget what population of people, but basically the goal was people
55:18  Speaker 0:  who have like almost like HIV, wasn't HIV patients, but like have muscle wasting disease. Like the whole point of this is 31 was to help
55:26  Speaker 0:  increase strength,
55:27  Speaker 0:  stamina, and muscle gain
55:29  Speaker 0:  in that population. You know, FDA approvals are for like a specific
55:34  Speaker 0:  use case. But
55:37  Speaker 0:  it's yeah. Thought I know right now. So TB-five 100, BC-one 157
55:41  Speaker 2:  Wolverine,
55:42  Speaker 2:  if you want to split them up, SS-31.
55:44  Speaker 2:  SS-31. What else? What do got?
55:46  Speaker 0:  Mean, NAD glutathione, they'll probably be in there somewhere. NAD for sure. NAD glutathione is awesome.
55:52  Speaker 3:  I mean, I really liked the GLP. I think that's doing some amazing stuff. Also, like, I'm finding it's anti tumor anticancer. I mean You're talking about internal. Right? GLP 3, though. GLP 3. Hopefully, the five's coming. And, like, neuroprotective
56:04  Speaker 0:  and
56:05  Speaker 0:  I mean, there's a whole bunch of benefits that we don't even know from Retta that That we don't even know yet. Right. Yeah. I would throw in TA-one.
56:13  Speaker 3:  Throw in inflammation? TA-one's amazing. There's
56:16  Speaker 3:  so many. It's hard to it's hard to put the top 5 in because there's so many good ones.
56:21  Speaker 2:  Inflammation, because it's known as like the immunity peptide.
56:24  Speaker 2:  So like if you're gonna fly or anything,
56:27  Speaker 3:  obviously you wanna run that- It's for autoimmunity too, by the way. I'm seeing autoimmunity. However it can, it
56:32  Speaker 2:  can have the reverse effect. If you have an
56:35  Speaker 2:  inflamed
56:36  Speaker 2:  If your auto immunity is inflamed, it can actually, it's like you're throwing gas on it and living proof of that. I've really toyed around with the TA-one quite a bit. I love it.
56:46  Speaker 2:  I don't really get sick much anyway, but man, when I'm running TA-1D, like you just feel great. Awesome.
56:52  Speaker 0:  Here's a question I get a lot of people who are doing steroids.
56:56  Speaker 0:  So I do my cycle and like how fast can I get back on?
57:00  Speaker 0:  Right. And I don't know
57:06  Speaker 3:  what it is.
57:08  Speaker 0:  3 months on, 2 months off. No. Take your blood test. And if you have testosterone, here's 1 here's 1 general rule of thumb is right. Well, the goal the whole point of taking a break, a, is well to let your body kind of rebound.
57:19  Speaker 0:  And, yeah, all of the medical markers, but also your natural, shuts down your test. So you want your
57:25  Speaker 0:  natural test to be able to have enough break where it rises back up to
57:30  Speaker 0:  pre cycle numbers, which I don't know if it ever will. It probably won't get
57:35  Speaker 0:  it up to there. But there is no rule as
57:38  Speaker 0:  far as I know. What would you tell somebody if 3 months on, 3 months off, give or take, but nobody ever waits 3 months. So that's 3, 2.
57:45  Speaker 3:  I was I tampered with them, you know, starting at 21 years old. Yeah. Well, then. And it was always that was the rule. You go on for 3 months, well, then you gotta go off as long as you're on. So if you're on 2 months on, 2 months off, 3 months on. I mean It's been 3 months. That that's kind of like vague though. It depends on the person, the body, how jacked up. And what you're running. Like, guys are running in trend. Like, trends depends on what you're doing too. And then, of course, like, you know, like, some people maybe they should take a year off. Yeah. Maybe they maybe they only need to take a couple. I mean, it's so case dependent. For sure, your answer would be, Hey, get off until we do enough blood tests that we can test you that you are, like, a healthy individual. Yeah. You can I'd say it's a good idea. Like, maybe, like, you know, run a little blood test before you want to go back on just to kind of say, hey, this is where
58:28  Speaker 3:  you're at right now. Then go on. This is gonna, this is where it's
58:32  Speaker 3:  gonna look worse. So, you know, maybe you need to wait a little longer, maybe you need to do a few things before you think about doing that. And that's kind of what I like to do with these guys is just to kind of, you know, they want someone to kind of
58:43  Speaker 3:  hold their hand and
58:44  Speaker 0:  tell them that. For sure. They need it. They need it. So then the next person is like, yeah, so if I'm a person who wants to do cycles,
58:53  Speaker 0:  when should I get my blood tested? I was talking to somebody the other day and they're like, Oh, I'm about to go get my blood tested and they're at their height of their cycle. And my answer was like, but like why?
59:05  Speaker 0:  What's the point of that? Like what we would, what I would kind of want you to do is take your blood test before you started the cycle. So we see what healthy normal. Yeah. I think that's smart. Let's
59:16  Speaker 0:  do it again. Once you get off to see if you've got back to there, See how you are after- These guys are going to run at mid cycle just because they want to see if anything's way too high. See if they're about to die. Got it. Got it. Because those guys are running
59:29  Speaker 3:  way too much. At the beginning of the conversation, I talked about it. I said, Hey, people are right in the middle of the cycle. I told them, This is not going to look pretty. You're on this.
59:38  Speaker 3:  This is not going to look pretty. Let me give you the heads up because you're doing it mid cycle. You know I mean? Just be ready.
59:45  Speaker 3:  People freak out. You know? They're like, oh my god, I'm gonna die. Well, you did this mid cycle. This does not look good, but, you know, maybe you should do it after you've been off for a while before you want to start. I think that's a great idea, Will. You know? Kind of see where you at when you're kind of yourself in the natural, more in the natural, because we know that going on anabolic, you're going super physiologic.
1:00:05  Speaker 2:  You're to go out of the natural. You're going to see out of the natural response on your labs. It's similar to the degree where, I'm going to just state stupid here for a reason because I think it just needs to be said. Like, if you're going to run gear, you need to do it responsibly.
1:00:17  Speaker 2:  We're not advocating you should or you shouldn't. People do it and let's just be honest. That's what it is. Like, if you don't know what certain compounds do, if you don't know different esters and things like that, you shouldn't be running it. Like, you need to research again, like, you know, when we were younger, like, we didn't have it was hard to find out the answers to these things. Yeah. Literally, you have a phone because we get a lot of questions through this channel
1:00:39  Speaker 2:  of men and like, I'll literally say, you shouldn't be running gear, man. Like, no offense. Like, if you don't know the answer to that, you're not ready for gear. Like, that's that's a silly question. Unwilling and too lazy to actually read and to get the answer for yourself. Asking me that? Like, you could find that in 3 seconds, bro. Like if you don't, don't start, you're not ready. Maybe people don't really trust
1:01:00  Speaker 3:  that. Yeah.
1:01:02  Speaker 0:  Fair enough. And that is- Well, because we say that, you get
1:01:06  Speaker 3:  any answer. You
1:01:07  Speaker 3:  get a 100 different answers on 1 question. It's like, man, it's pretty shoot. It's a little
1:01:12  Speaker 0:  confusing. Steroids
1:01:14  Speaker 0:  are bad for you people. You're gonna run problems. These are not good. There's not
1:01:19  Speaker 2:  good for you.
1:01:21  Speaker 0:  And there is no such thing as,
1:01:23  Speaker 0:  mean, I you can do them as responsible as possible, but it doesn't mean they're not gonna be bad. It's still gonna be bad for you. Right. And thank you for saying that. Let's
1:01:32  Speaker 2:  say this because this
1:01:34  Speaker 2:  requires redundancy.
1:01:36  Speaker 2:  Steroids are bad. Steroids and alcohol are horrible.
1:01:40  Speaker 2:  Alcohol in itself, like it's horrible, but if you're running gear,
1:01:44  Speaker 2:  alcohol, and if you throw some blow in there and like you're that guy- then throw
1:01:47  Speaker 3:  in a crappy diet. Oh, and just like, and
1:01:50  Speaker 2:  don't drink in water and dehydration. I'm not running gear on a crappy diet. Like people think you take steroids and you just get ripped. No,
1:01:57  Speaker 2:  not how it works. It's a lot of work. You gotta have a diet. You gotta have lot
1:02:01  Speaker 2:  of discipline. That's funny though. Like it's seriously like the general consensus of people that don't know
1:02:07  Speaker 2:  if you take steroids, if I took steroids, I could look like that. No, it doesn't work like that. You can't just get jacked.
1:02:13  Speaker 0:  And
1:02:14  Speaker 0:  then real answer is like, you know what? No, but really you didn't really need to take steroids if you just worked really hard and ate right. You could also look like that. Literally throwing some fasting meat right. You can look great. Who are doing steroids and don't look like they are.
1:02:28  Speaker 0:  Then there are people doing steroids. Why though? Because it's
1:02:32  Speaker 2:  like you're eating like shit. You're gonna eat like shit, you're gonna look like shit.
1:02:35  Speaker 3:  I think I always push this and a
1:02:38  Speaker 3:  lot of viewers probably I'm seeing them, they're my patients and I can never reiterate this enough, high vegetable eating,
1:02:45  Speaker 3:  especially when you're cycling because of the polyphenols, the antioxidants, and the detoxification
1:02:50  Speaker 3:  abilities that vegetables have. And I know some guys can't do it. I know sometimes we struggle with vegetables,
1:02:56  Speaker 3:  but I mean, are very healing Why you guys looking at me? Too. Why are we looking at you, JD? You know? But I'm just saying, like, you know, diet is so important. It's it's extremely important. Hydration is so important. Hydration. Hydration.
1:03:08  Speaker 3:  For sure. Sleep.
1:03:10  Speaker 3:  Remember,
1:03:11  Speaker 3:  the RBC hemoglobin and hematocrit is gonna be up and you can have that. I see it elevated even for a lot of people. When you see RBC hemoglobin and hematocrit elevated on someone who is not on steroids or does TRT, that's a sign of dehydration.
1:03:25  Speaker 3:  Unless it's really high and it could be a problem. We call it polycythemia But
1:03:30  Speaker 3:  I mean, that's just a sign of dehydration. It is not always like, Oh, I don't drink enough water. It's a sign of cellular dehydration.
1:03:38  Speaker 3:  Sometimes people all see that pattern. They'll realize you could get 2 gallons a day. Said, well, either you're drinking too much water, number 1, or it's you're inflamed and the cells are dehydrated. Sure. The cellular dehydration that we're talking about here. The water needs to be in the cell. We talked about 30,000,000,000,000 cells. You need water too to make ATP. You need oxygen to make ATP, glucose, you need thyroid hormone to go into that cell. In that cell, you got vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and the mitochondrial,
1:04:03  Speaker 3:  right? Where you get to make that ATP so that cell does what it does.
1:04:08  Speaker 3:  And once that stops, the cell dies. That's called cellular death, right? But
1:04:12  Speaker 3:  any 1 of those things, right? You can have oxygen,
1:04:15  Speaker 3:  sugar, water, thyroid hormone, be a dysfunction. You can have nutrient deficiencies that could be a dysfunction that
1:04:22  Speaker 3:  can throw off that ATP production.
1:04:24  Speaker 3:  That's
1:04:25  Speaker 3:  what it's all about. Cellular That's
1:04:28  Speaker 2:  important to the dehydration.
1:04:29  Speaker 2:  So like, what do you recommend? Because I know a lot of, like if you're drinking general water, like you're not really getting hydrated. You need Celtic salt over. Yeah, it's good to put some Celtic salt in there. Like, a lot of people don't know that. Like, you need to, like, have minerals in the water because it's just even the water sucks.
1:04:43  Speaker 2:  Jeez, dude. Like, you pee all the time. Yeah, like it's because you're not, the water's not doing what you think the water is don't want go drink Yodosian water. Yeah. Like I start off the morning, I'll go and I'll like lick my finger. My wife, give me a little salt box. He's so cute. And I'll like lick and then use a both Celtic salt, let it soak into your tongue. Good for you. And then you start with water. That's literally the best thing. Like
1:05:04  Speaker 2:  if you don't like try saltwater, it's the best pre workout there is. You get so much energy off of that. Yeah. And that's what I mean. People laugh at me like your workout. It's not a pre work. I'm like, listen, I've doing it forever because I fast a lot. Like I'm on a 48 hour fast now. This is full of Celtic saltwater. And like my sons now go, dad, is there salt in that water? My
1:05:23  Speaker 2:  wife always laughed. My little 2 year old goes today, this morning, he goes, dad, there's salt in that water. I'm like,
1:05:28  Speaker 2:  yeah, Mason, there's salt in the water. So cute dude. But
1:05:33  Speaker 2:  it's important. It
1:05:34  Speaker 2:  is important to saltwater's
1:05:36  Speaker 2:  awesome. Like, you know, like a lot of people
1:05:40  Speaker 2:  don't do that. You start your day with saltwater and it's huge. Like you need to get hydrated after you sleep. Yeah, I agree. It's huge. I agree. Like those are simple things. We wake up pretty dehydrated. We do.
1:05:53  Speaker 0:  We do. Like- And
1:05:54  Speaker 3:  we usually go straight to the coffee.
1:05:57  Speaker 2:  I didn't know. I've been reading some stuff about, because like
1:06:00  Speaker 2:  I had struggled with cortisol recently and that opened up my brain to a lot of just reading about cortisol. I wasn't super intrigued by it.
1:06:08  Speaker 2:  And I don't really, there's occasionally today I did because I'm fasting, but
1:06:12  Speaker 2:  cortisol, I don't have coffee for an hour because it spikes your cortisol. Like what I'll do is I pray and I read into you my whole
1:06:20  Speaker 2:  basketball 1st and then I'll have coffee and it's been great. I feel
1:06:25  Speaker 2:  more level.
1:06:27  Speaker 2:  I mean, whether again, I always say this, well, here's it all the time, but if it's please SIBO or not, it works for me because it's working. Yeah. Mean,
1:06:35  Speaker 2:  little things that
1:06:37  Speaker 2:  everybody needs to do. Like we talked about in the very beginning, our food sucks. This is what it is.
1:06:44  Speaker 2:  We need to have a good diet because we have to scramble through shit food to find good food, man. And,
1:06:50  Speaker 2:  you know, I'm 49 years old and,
1:06:53  Speaker 2:  I
1:06:54  Speaker 2:  was on a sweet spot for years, man. I was just feeling good, dude, dude. And, but man, I got knocked on my ass in the last 6 months. You know, we ran blood work, reran stool chest and we've been working through it. You know, I've sat down with Scott for 2 hours going through my blood work. Finally said, I think I'm throwing in the white towel, dude. My brain doesn't even like, I'm
1:07:15  Speaker 2:  good. I love this stuff. But like,
1:07:17  Speaker 2:  but did
1:07:18  Speaker 2:  you get it? Did you go to lab yet? No, I need to do that. I was going to wait, you know? So, but
1:07:24  Speaker 2:  like we've been, I've been working with you and it's been great. I mean, it's been eye opening as you listening to this podcast,
1:07:30  Speaker 2:  know, listeners,
1:07:31  Speaker 2:  he's intelligent. He's 1 of my best friends. I love him to death. And these are the people that you need to have run your blood work because they know what they're talking about. If it's obvious,
1:07:40  Speaker 2:  not to say it, medical doctors don't, but they'll run small little panels that show a piece of a picture and you're not going to see the picture. You need,
1:07:47  Speaker 2:  again, we say it all the time, but you don't have to feel like shit. You should have a sex drive. You should have a clear head. You should feel good.
1:07:56  Speaker 2:  These are things that like, I think society has purchased the lie of I'm getting older and I don't have a sex drive and I'm feeling like shit. Like, that's just so wrong. Now it takes time and blood work and stool tests,
1:08:09  Speaker 2:  no suck.
1:08:11  Speaker 2:  But then little, little, little things that you implement in your life, little disciplines, little things that compound drinking salt water, right? When you wake up implementing these little things in your life that just will yield health. It can make a huge difference.
1:08:24  Speaker 2:  Geez, just sleeping is a huge difference. I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah, definitely. Sleep something. Yeah. So
1:08:31  Speaker 2:  guys, you're going to run gear. That's up to you. We don't care if you do or you don't, you're a grown man, but if you do,
1:08:38  Speaker 2:  there's a lot of peptides that are helping these days to bring inflammation down.
1:08:42  Speaker 2:  Scott just went through a plethora of supplements
1:08:45  Speaker 2:  that you should be running.
1:08:48  Speaker 2:  Please, for the love of God, if you're going to run gear, at least of know what the gear does. Don't just like your brother, your buddy at the gym told you to run some D ball and certain amount of Milgram. You know, it's like,
1:08:59  Speaker 2:  some research. You know I mean? Doctor.
1:09:03  Speaker 2:  Scott, where can they find you?
1:09:07  Speaker 2:  I mean, we'll put you, we'll tag you. We always do. Like-
1:09:11  Speaker 3:  You threw me off on that question.
1:09:13  Speaker 3:  Do I want to be found right now? No, no. We've made him busy.
1:09:17  Speaker 3:  But rightfully so.
1:09:19  Speaker 3:  I'm in Orange County.
1:09:21  Speaker 3:  I have patients all over the
1:09:23  Speaker 3:  country. Here at this
1:09:28  Speaker 3:  company is working
1:09:29  Speaker 3:  with you. It's been a joy. For a reason.
1:09:31  Speaker 0:  We'll talk to you if you
1:09:33  Speaker 0:  tell us if we want to put out your information. As freely. We'll find you anyway, but like, I mean,
1:09:40  Speaker 2:  you know, we've been blessed. I've known Scott for a long, long time, man. Geez, like early twenties. And
1:09:48  Speaker 2:  you know, we've, we've gone through drug addiction together. We've done through some stuff. It's been life and, to see where our life's at right now, man, it's a blessing, man, to be able to work with people.
1:09:58  Speaker 2:  God's really opened up some rad doors for both of us and
1:10:02  Speaker 2:  lean on some of our experience, your expertise, for sure, of just trying to be healthy, man. And it's a blessing, you know, and this podcast is getting out there. We've just had the blessing to be able to have
1:10:12  Speaker 2:  rad guests on the show that are really good at what they do. We're going to have that water gal on. I'm really excited to have her on. Like she's gonna, it's a Kagan girl that just,
1:10:23  Speaker 0:  we She came
1:10:24  Speaker 2:  came over and She
1:10:25  Speaker 2:  didn't invent Kangen water. Yeah, she started knew all about it and we were like, dude, that's rad. You should come on the show and like drop that because like, we didn't know any about that stuff.
1:10:34  Speaker 0:  So like 10 minutes, she just kind of blew my mind of telling me about water.
1:10:38  Speaker 0:  There's
1:10:40  Speaker 0:  about I'm a lot to
1:10:42  Speaker 2:  excited to hear it too. Yeah, that's a lot of stuff. And like, we, like, we get to lit lit sit here with guys like you and learn. I mean, it's the best. I mean, you alright? You got a blast. We love this stuff. Good stuff. Good stuff. So Same to me. It's good to be invited. Good to have you back. We'll obviously have you back many more times because we love you. Other than that, we want to say anything, dog? No. Thank you. We'll
1:11:01  Speaker 2:  see if we want him to be found. We'll talk to him because he's already very busy. He's out there. Yeah, you can find me.
1:11:07  Speaker 0:  Than that, we'll check you guys next time. All right. Good night.