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0:22Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
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0:54Speaker 3Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast.
0:57Speaker 3I'm your host, JD Denham. Like always, to my left side is Mr. William T. Haas, my co host.
1:04Speaker 3And today we have a guest,
1:07Speaker 3a sales consultant,
1:09Speaker 3a, peptides consultant
1:11Speaker 3who's trained by
1:13Speaker 3Will and myself and Mr. Paul back to you are a lot of, a lot of guys that, we respect. So he's a wealth of knowledge. So we wanted to bring him on the podcast
1:22Speaker 3so you could see him meet him and,
1:24Speaker 3bring him into the mix. So Mr. Michael,
1:27Speaker 3I call him Michael at the time. His name is Michael
1:30Speaker 3Vandel,
1:31Speaker 3which is the coolest last name ever seen. I always said denim's pretty damn cool too, but, Vandel's up there.
1:38Speaker 3Thanks for guys. Yeah. Welcome dude. It's good to get you on the show, man. Yeah. I've heard every
1:44Speaker 3episode. So it's nice to be on it now. Yeah. I want to actually, let's tell the story about how I met Mike. It's a great story. Mike is
1:52Speaker 3if you will, my little protege, I've kind of taken him under my wing because I respect him. I think he's awesome. So let me tell you the story of how I met him. So I had back surgery, I don't even remember that. And
2:04Speaker 3my beautiful bride got me a hyperbaric company to come out and I'd do, I think 5, 5, 7 days is what we did. 1st day, it was the owner. Next, most of the days came back. It was Mike and Michael. And he, we
2:18Speaker 3started talking and just talking about live, talking about the peptide podcast.
2:22Speaker 3I think I showed it to you. I don't think you had listened to it at that point, but he started listening to it because every time he came back, he had questions. And then after we stayed in touch and every time I talked to him, he had listened to the podcast and asked many, many, many questions. He was more
2:38Speaker 3and more educated.
2:40Speaker 3And,
2:41Speaker 3I was impressed.
2:42Speaker 3I
2:44Speaker 3always say that if you want to get in the rooms with the men that'll change your life, need to have a damn good knock. And I started to cultivate that when I met my mentor,
2:52Speaker 3because he didn't pay attention to me until I had a good knock.
2:56Speaker 3And I started asking articulate questions and then he started responding
3:00Speaker 3and it reminded me of me because you did that. And,
3:04Speaker 3so,
3:05Speaker 3yeah, that's when Will and I decided to take them under our wing and do some training with him. And then even Paul got involved. And so cool story, man. It's how I met you. Thought it's a great story. And now, and now everybody who we run into that needs like a supplement,
3:22Speaker 1like full supplement or peptide consultation,
3:25Speaker 1Michael is the 1 that we send them to.
3:28Speaker 4Staying busy now. That's for sure.
3:31Speaker 3So it's good stuff though. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to get something in particular,
3:36Speaker 1increase your worth. How do you do that? Study, you study, right? Become a student of your craft. Also know I'm looking at you, you're young. And when we, when I 1st met this guy,
3:46Speaker 1he pulled up 6 different times in 6 different, like, new and,
3:51Speaker 1like, fully done up and souped up cars that were not cheap. I'm like, how the hell do you have so many cars that are that expensive
3:59Speaker 1and then in different Rolexes? So you've done some things right in your life. I have. I'm a student of his craft, man. Just studied. Awesome.
4:07Speaker 4You didn't get investments. I love it. Problem solver.
4:10Speaker 4Yeah. I grew up poor too. That also helped cause I had to fix everything myself and figure it out. Couldn't pay somebody to do it. So
4:18Speaker 4that's awesome. 1 of the benefits of
4:21Speaker 4growing up without money
4:24Speaker 1Yeah. And go 1 of 2 ways. Yeah. You can either figure it out or just be a victim your whole life. It's good for you.
4:31Speaker 3He is here
4:32Speaker 3tonight.
4:33Speaker 3We are dropping
4:35Speaker 1our
4:36Speaker 3Warrior coaching program.
4:39Speaker 3And it's been a big deal, many times when I've thought about it and then we've just been busy as hell, but, 1
4:46Speaker 3of the coolest things, at least for me, when we went up to Prague was not just being there and seeing such a different culture and whatnot, but for me, because I have 2 young kids, don't get a lot of time to think of without a lot of screaming when I'm at home and whatnot. So I had about a week to not have that. And even though I missed my family,
5:03Speaker 3I did a lot of thinking and praying and centering myself and Will stayed on and went to Italy and is getting hitched. But I came back and I was like, dude, let's just get after this. Let's do this. You know, it's really when that said, knew we just got to jump in. Thymalon was perfect. So we've put time into it.
5:18Speaker 3It's the call is
5:20Speaker 3already passed when you were listening to this, but it's actually tonight at the time of recording and,
5:26Speaker 3we're going to just sit down and we're going to go over,
5:29Speaker 3what it is we offer and
5:31Speaker 3you want to get in shape who doesn't, That's the obvious. I think we're going to try to help you get in shape. We have macro tracking macros. We have a gym workouts. We have hit training workouts. We have carnivore.
5:43Speaker 3We get, we really, I think are going to appease pretty much anybody that's trying to get in shape.
5:48Speaker 3But I think more importantly than anything is we really want to cultivate just such a family
5:55Speaker 3vibe and just a unit. You know, if you want to be, if you want to be a part of something bigger than you, which we all, I think it's in our DNA and we crave it, that's what we want to put out there. You know, we want to
6:06Speaker 3be around cool people. We let it be known. We're Christians here, you know, and I speak, you know, heavily and it doesn't mean that you have to be, but
6:14Speaker 3that's what we are. We try to be integral
6:17Speaker 3and we have Will and I specifically have learned so much through just the steps of Alcoholics Anonymous on just being
6:25Speaker 3men of integrity.
6:27Speaker 3Those are things that we can pass on because you get passed on with dudes that have lived it and they, the torch was passed on from us. So we want to share a lot of different stuff. It's not just a, it's not just a typical coaching program, man. We really want you guys to be part of the Warrior Maker family. We do have some big things coming. So if you're interested in that, you know, we're going to be dropping it tonight and it's going to go live.
6:49Speaker 3So you'll be seeing this on Thursday, but you'll be able to find it. I would love for you to join because
6:56Speaker 3it's bigger than what you think. You're going to be jumping into the Warrior Maker family. We're going to have a weekly Zoom call where it's going to be led by me for the most part, but sometimes we'll, mice,
7:07Speaker 3our other coach is going to be on there as well,
7:11Speaker 3David, and, we're going to have sometimes
7:14Speaker 3I'm going to have, Doctor. Scott on there. I'm going to have, you know, some fitness guys. We're going to do some cool stuff that I've been cultivating in my head for quite some time and now it's really formed. So I'm ready to put it down and kick some butt. Right guys? Yeah. It's a team effort. Basically, like the good thing is people,
7:31Speaker 1you are joining, well, we call it the warrior legion, but, you're joint, you're getting support from everybody. Dave,
7:37Speaker 1Dave is our primary
7:39Speaker 1coach who will be working with those who choose that package, but really behind it, you get all of us,
7:45Speaker 1right? You get sessions with Michael.
7:48Speaker 1If you're a woman, we have a woman for peptide consults,
7:53Speaker 1JD and I, and like you said, other guests will pop in and provide support to everybody in the program. You'll
8:00Speaker 1get access to school, to trainerize, there's a whole bunch. So just, you're not alone. The biggest thing is you get the motivation and accountability.
8:08Speaker 3Motivation too. But we're also going to talk about things that, I think most people at least would like to hear, you know, some type about cultivating different business ideas or branding. I love that type of stuff. How do you brand your company? Oh man, I could talk for that on days. So it's so much more than coaching. It's so much more than you getting in shape. That's the part we know everybody
8:29Speaker 3wants to be in shape. Think that's going be the easier part. If you follow the protocol,
8:33Speaker 3it's a mathematical certainty that you will get in shape because it's math, right? It's macros and it's calories and all that stuff for the most part. But
8:41Speaker 1it's the part that you're going to join a freaking badass team. 1 Yep. Yep. There it is. Now I'm wearing a cowboy hat today, by the way. And in case anybody didn't notice
8:51Speaker 41
8:52Speaker 4country concert
8:54Speaker 1dad. So I went to my, my fiance really, like, loves going to country concerts
9:00Speaker 1and I'm not
9:02Speaker 1the biggest
9:03Speaker 1fan. I don't know. I'm just, it's just not. I just don't like the crowds and I just, I'm not like that type of person. Right? Whatever. Also, don't drink.
9:11Speaker 1You know, that that makes it like not as cool also people. But
9:15Speaker 1we got dressed up and I got a cowboy hat for the show and wore it. And so I thought I'd show it off today here. Looks good on you.
9:23Speaker 3Have my
9:25Speaker 3Thursday for me when you were listening to this will be my 14 year, not wedding anniversary, but since I've been with my bride, which same thing to me, I mean,
9:33Speaker 3married is married, but still we've been together for 14 years.
9:36Speaker 3Holy moly.
9:37Speaker 3And, so that's cool. I'm gonna have, I'm going to bring her in on Thursday and we're going to sit down and do podcasts on my podcast and
9:44Speaker 3about love, man. So that's cool. Then we're going to Disneyland.
9:48Speaker 3We're going stay at Disneyland hotel Friday night for my dudes and go to Disneyland with my buddy, Justin Wetzel's in town with his bride soon to be bride also. So cool stuff, man. Oh yeah. Then I'm going to Hawaii too in a month. We have a family vacation that we've done every, every year for the last 4 years, I think.
10:07Speaker 1Go to Big Island, right? Big Island. So like my
10:10Speaker 1Allie, who's my fiance, her mother has a timeshare in Kona.
10:15Speaker 1And
10:16Speaker 1we go there. We 1st did it with my mom, me, my mom, Allie, and, and river.
10:22Speaker 1And, but yeah, so now it's kind of a tradition we're going do it. I'm not going to stay. I'm going go for about 0.5 the trip and come back because,
10:28Speaker 1well, we went, I went on a long vacation. I have a lot of work to do and
10:32Speaker 1I can't really afford to be gone that long,
10:35Speaker 1again,
10:36Speaker 1but it'll be fun. The 1st time that we went, my mother, my mother has like always taught me
10:41Speaker 1like, just do whatever you want. As long as you're not hurting people, like laws and rules don't matter as long as it's like makes sense in your brain, you know? So 1 time I was like, let me take care of river for, for like a night and you guys are the day You guys actually like enjoy yourselves. So we did that. We come back or I think I was walking around and we've caught my mom, my mom, or Ali's like, do not let him river, do not jump off the rocks into the lazy river. Right? And I walked by and I see my mom teaching him how to do a flip off of the rocks into the lazy. That's so funny, dude.
11:16Speaker 1That's amazing. And then we came back. She's like, mama, look, all the other kids are gonna have just fight safe as long as he does it right. Right. He's gonna do it. Anyway,
11:23Speaker 3he's a rock baby. Yeah. I love it. I love her, man. Well, cool man. Well, let's get cracking. So this is a Q and a
11:31Speaker 3episode, which I know everybody loves and real quickly before we read the 1st question, Will and I talked about, let's say it again.
11:37Speaker 3We want to know if you want any type of uplift on this or if you just kind of want us to leave the Q and A alone, we're always trying to improve and,
11:45Speaker 3and, and,
11:46Speaker 3know, do more and, and, just think make it better. But, I've asked some people that came in, they liked the podcast to the shop here and all 3 said, no, don't touch the Q and A, it's perfect. Don't touch it. So that's
11:58Speaker 3the 1st 3 that we've asked. So if you have any
12:01Speaker 3preference, let us know. We were thinking about making a few changes here, but if you like it how it is, let us know. We will read the answers.
12:08Speaker 1And
12:09Speaker 1then we also, there is the, 1 peptide that's a triple agonist that we all know that starts with R and we are not going to say that name folks. So we've, we say the word, if we say the letter R, I hope you're following along and know what we're talking about. Okay?
12:23Speaker 1I will start us off. So, hey, guys. Question about peptide sensitivity.
12:28Speaker 1I seem to be very hypersensitive.
12:30Speaker 1I took CJC slash ipamorelin once, got flushed, heart raced, felt like I might pass out for a minute.
12:36Speaker 1Took me forever to get to sleep. The next day, I was completely wiped out, came home from work early, and slept till 3PM. So I stopped using it after that. Good idea.
12:46Speaker 1Week I started my Wolverine blend because no 1 has problems with BPC and TV, right? Nope. 15 minutes later while laying in my bed, my resting heart rate hit 1 15, just didn't feel great.
12:56Speaker 1Had to get up and calm myself in the shower before I could go to bed. Any ideas what could make someone this sensitive or how to approach it safely? PS, I do just fine taking my R 2 times weekly.
13:08Speaker 1You never had a problem with that. Gotcha.
13:11Speaker 3Yeah. That's
13:13Speaker 3what jumped out at me here was, yeah, you are probably sensitive, but you don't tell us your age. You don't tell us your weight. So that does help when you say that type of stuff.
13:23Speaker 3You know, how much weight do you want to need to lose and things like that? It can help with the response here,
13:29Speaker 3But,
13:31Speaker 3I, are you
13:33Speaker 3exercising?
13:34Speaker 3If you're not, you need to be. That's probably a big part of it. I mean, you, you, every human needs to,
13:41Speaker 3do some type of resistance training.
13:43Speaker 3Now,
13:45Speaker 3you don't have to go to the gym or you could do bands at the house. You could literally just do bands. And I mean, there's so many
13:51Speaker 3things that you can do.
13:54Speaker 3Obviously
13:55Speaker 3what's your diet like, what's your sleep like? Are you hormonally
13:59Speaker 3optimized?
14:00Speaker 3These are things that would really help us with this question
14:04Speaker 3because
14:05Speaker 3now you CJC
14:07Speaker 3is known to have,
14:09Speaker 3if anybody that I know,
14:11Speaker 3histamine responses of any peptide by a mile, I just know I literally personally know
14:17Speaker 3many, many people that have had a histamine response. The thing that threw me for the loop was BPC and TB are pretty much the safest peptides you can take. And if you're having that, that
14:30Speaker 3makes me think it's maybe something not that maybe it's,
14:34Speaker 3just, you are somebody that,
14:37Speaker 3gets worked up easily.
14:38Speaker 3So peptide wise, let's say Selank and Semax. Would start there. I would say try Selank and Semax just to start and see how you do with those.
14:48Speaker 3Furthermore,
14:51Speaker 3on sleep. You need to exercise.
14:53Speaker 3Are you hormonally optimized? Let me ask you this. When is the last time you got your blood work done? Right? So these are questions that if we knew the answers to, we could really help you a bit more because they do really fit within the picture
15:07Speaker 3of how to answer this.
15:09Speaker 3You know,
15:11Speaker 3I'm old school. You could probably know this by now. Walking on the grass, grounding,
15:17Speaker 3getting good sleep,
15:19Speaker 3meditating,
15:20Speaker 3you know, if you're someone that gets worked up,
15:23Speaker 3these are things that can really help you. And I know they're not peptides, but they really work. I've used them before.
15:29Speaker 3So maybe start there. And if you, if you do go get your blood work done, I do want to write back in and you tell us your age and weight and all that. Really will help the answer in my opinion. What do you think, Will? Well, go ahead, Michael. I don't want to take any of his, let him talk and then I'll add my, well, it's an allergic reaction. Think that he's having,
15:47Speaker 4you know, so you can kind of counter it with KPV.
15:51Speaker 4You can add it in there, protocol
15:53Speaker 4for the KPV,
15:56Speaker 4then kinda see if he can, you know, start slow with the CJC
16:01Speaker 4IPA again.
16:03Speaker 4I would think that would kinda
16:05Speaker 4see if that's would help with their real reaction
16:09Speaker 4to that.
16:10Speaker 4So that's kind of where I would start off at with that.
16:15Speaker 4Because I mean, if he's getting a reaction with the
16:18Speaker 4Wolverine,
16:21Speaker 3something deeper than that. I don't know any way that's out Yeah, exactly. So,
16:25Speaker 4you know, we can always start with the gut
16:27Speaker 4and the KPV.
16:29Speaker 4I mean, or is he sourcing it too? It's another question. How is he reconstituting?
16:33Speaker 4It's another question.
16:35Speaker 4Maybe he's doing too much. Who knows? So it's kind of,
16:40Speaker 4you know, the more and more people I talk to clients,
16:44Speaker 4that's the biggest thing at 1st is the recon.
16:47Speaker 4Yeah. Really?
16:48Speaker 4Make sure they make the right measurements.
16:52Speaker 4Right. You know, like you don't want to be overdosing.
16:55Speaker 4Don't want people
16:56Speaker 1putting too little water in and then thinking they're doing some amount, but they're actually doing 4 times as much as they should be. Yeah. Some people are like, oh, it's so little, so maybe it's gotta be more,
17:05Speaker 4you know? So then the reaction's going to be even worse.
17:10Speaker 1Here's
17:11Speaker 1what I think. And so
17:14Speaker 1when you're both you're talking about blends, okay? When
17:18Speaker 1peptide manufacturers make a blend, they have to use a different ingredient, okay, that binds those 2 together.
17:26Speaker 1A shoot, there was a lab locally here that 1 of the workers was so allergic to
17:31Speaker 1to that ingredient, right, that it takes to bind those 2 things in.
17:36Speaker 1She couldn't go out to dinner.
17:38Speaker 1I think she, like, passed out, and they had the ER take her to the ER after the 2nd time in the lab, working with that. She couldn't go out to dinner with any of the coworkers after work. She couldn't enter the lab. She couldn't go out to the coworkers after work who even were in that lab with their lab coats and their lab coats touching their own skin because of that. Wow. That was on there. So there is an end lots of
17:58Speaker 1there my guess is you are allergic to the that ingredient that binds
18:04Speaker 1that they need
18:05Speaker 1to make blended peptides.
18:07Speaker 1So,
18:08Speaker 1I mean, I wouldn't even try the I wouldn't even attempt to do CGC up and around if I would again, That would just just just lost cause, like You get too rocked. But I would also probably my best advice would be to cut out all blends.
18:21Speaker 1So your next thing to test is something that is just a single peptide. Like, try just BPC.
18:27Speaker 1That's why so the red is there or the R is doing good.
18:30Speaker 3But,
18:31Speaker 1yeah, I would definitely just try single,
18:34Speaker 1single ones. And
18:36Speaker 1then Michael touched on it, like sourcing, where are you getting it from? Like, definitely, let's check that out.
18:42Speaker 1If you get it from if you got it go ask wherever you got it from, I would send it your message to their customer service team and tell them what's up. A good company will say, cool. No problem. Why don't we just send you those individually?
18:56Speaker 1Alright? And they'll take the loss. So go ask your company that you bought it for that exact question. And if they tell you to kick rocks, then just DM us and we will tell you good people to buy from. All right.
19:09Speaker 1Good point. Great answer. Like it. That is,
19:12Speaker 1yeah, dude. That's, that's my thought. I think I'd stay away from those. I would drop the, but that's odd. And
19:19Speaker 1then do everything else they said. Yeah. All
19:24Speaker 4right, Ms. Michael, you're up. All right. Hi, JD and Will. Love the podcast. It's helped me understand peptide therapy much better. I am a 44 year old dad, PT, high rocks athlete, York,
19:36Speaker 4UK.
19:36Speaker 4My current stack is
19:38Speaker 1r 3
19:40Speaker 4mg or
19:42Speaker 4r
19:43Speaker 43 mg per week,
19:45Speaker 4NAD 25 mg, 3 times a week, Moxie 1 mg, Monday through Friday, Cmax
19:52Speaker 4500 micrograms daily,
19:55Speaker 4Ovarian blend 500 micrograms nightly.
19:58Speaker 4I'm thinking about adding Tessa.
20:01Speaker 4Based on my current stack and goals, body comp, performance, recovery, longevity,
20:06Speaker 4do you think Tessa is worthwhile adding 1 or would you simplify anything 1st?
20:15Speaker 3JD, you want to go? Yeah. This is always good. I mean, you're 44
20:19Speaker 3or so I would say go to straight up HGH myself because I love it. The more and more, we get deep into this world of peptides and get to know people
20:30Speaker 3that have been in it for a long time, the more I love more HGH more because they've been taking it for a long time too. So we've been right on the money. But, yeah, if if you don't wanna do HGH,
20:40Speaker 3you can you can do the the Tesa Tesa Ipamorelin. I know Will's gonna say that. At at the Push your limits. Train with precision. See the results. At Equinox,
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21:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
21:23Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
21:31Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
21:33Speaker 2Want it that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Tesof Ipam.
21:47Speaker 3But again, if you have access to actual HGH,
21:50Speaker 3I would just kind of cut to the chase. I think anyone over 40 needs to pretty much be on TRT and,
21:57Speaker 3HGH.
21:58Speaker 3Now that's, there's exceptions to the rule, not saying every single person, but most people with the food and just all the stuff that's going on in the world,
22:06Speaker 3those 2 can be life changing,
22:09Speaker 1right?
22:11Speaker 3So I would do that, but if you only have access to the Tesa,
22:17Speaker 3start there. You do not say if you are hormonally optimized,
22:23Speaker 3and that is a big thing for us
22:26Speaker 3because that does play a big role for everybody.
22:29Speaker 3If you are 1 of those guys at 44, that your testosterone levels
22:33Speaker 3and your hormones are online, good for you. It's rare.
22:36Speaker 3It's just 44
22:38Speaker 3for sure. So,
22:39Speaker 3hopefully you are, have gotten your blood work done and you are hormonally optimized.
22:45Speaker 3You are adding HGH
22:48Speaker 3would be the answer or Tesa 2nd,
22:51Speaker 32nd guess, the 2nd answer.
22:53Speaker 3Go for it. Yeah.
22:55Speaker 1So yes, I would, like he just said, I think Tesla Ipamorelin
22:59Speaker 1is just gonna work better,
23:02Speaker 1having those 2. It's just a synergistic effect, right? So it'll work better. Dude, Tesla's awesome. So the fact that you're a HYROX athlete, we had somebody ask us this last
23:10Speaker 1So think of a high rocks as basically kind of CrossFit. So those are the
23:14Speaker 1doing sled pulls, sled pushes, like wall balls, a whole bunch of stuff that it sounds pretty damn intense. So you need like maximum
23:23Speaker 1recovery,
23:24Speaker 1maximum
23:25Speaker 1muscle
23:26Speaker 1keeping. Right? So you don't wanna go
23:30Speaker 1catabolic,
23:31Speaker 1which a growth hormone
23:34Speaker 1will do. I also
23:36Speaker 1that at 44, I think you're a good prime candidate for for low dose HGH. I think that that's, that is, it's just more effective than
23:45Speaker 1the secretagogues
23:46Speaker 1will be. Okay. It's the real, it's the real stuff you just give it to. Okay. At 44 performance
23:51Speaker 1loop, man, try that. That'll really help your performance.
23:56Speaker 1And,
23:57Speaker 1you know, at 44 and you are active, Glutathione is a great general health. And while you're at the NAD, you might as well start taking Glutathione also. You got it. As just general internal internal organs. Everybody should retaking them. But I think, yeah, dude, I think you cannot go the the test it can't be bad. It will do nothing but hell. Yeah.
24:16Speaker 1But does the Ipah would be the better suggestion.
24:20Speaker 1Make sure your sleep and, and X, I mean, exercise is probably good. Make sure you're fueling your body enough because
24:25Speaker 1you are burning calories and you're beating your body up. Like a Wolverine, you already take it. Great
24:31Speaker 1killer. And you have,
24:33Speaker 1I
24:34Speaker 4would probably just bump up the Wolverine, the 1 mg daily. It's pretty low at 500 micrograms daily. Especially if you're working out, you need that extra muscle recovery. I wouldn't even take less.
24:45Speaker 4That's true. Yeah. 1 mg, maybe even 2 on a hard workday.
24:50Speaker 1So that's my taste. For sure. I agree. 500 micrograms of each of BPC and of TB is about the lowest possible, like,
24:58Speaker 3dose you're getting anything out of. And so you're working hard. I would I would also increase it. Type stuff. You're ripped and tear, especially at 44. We get it, man. Uh-huh. So you need more good stuff. Alright. Do that. Alright. Not all Janoschick COAs are publicly posted.
25:13Speaker 3How to verify them, how to spot a counterfeit COA from Januschick.
25:17Speaker 3What is the best package delivery serviced,
25:20Speaker 3USA to Prague, which is a great question because we are going to do a breakdown of the COA.
25:25Speaker 1We will be doing that soon. So just so you know, but this is a real question. This is Sure. So this is easy. Dude, like, so not all Janoschicks are publicly posted. I think you mean that on Janoschick's
25:35Speaker 1site, they have a spot
25:37Speaker 1where they post
25:39Speaker 1people's COS. So here's what you may or may not know if you dig into it a bit. But Janosick charges you about, I think it was like a $150
25:47Speaker 1every
25:48Speaker 1month, and it might be more. It might be more like $300 a month. So if you send a test in, cool, you can opt to also pay them $300
25:56Speaker 1a month to have your test posted.
25:59Speaker 1So
26:01Speaker 1only ones that are publicly posted on Janoschik are the people who pay them to do that.
26:07Speaker 1I've never
26:08Speaker 1thought that that was worthwhile.
26:10Speaker 1Now here's how do you spot a, how do you spot a counterfeit? Well, this one's very easy. At the bottom of every Janoschik test and the bottom of every test, hopefully,
26:19Speaker 1they have a unique code. Okay? So when you're looking at someone Janosik test online, let's say, if there's no code on it because they photoshopped it and they just like,
26:28Speaker 1they cropped their
26:30Speaker 1image,
26:31Speaker 1above where the code should be, red flag. But even though just because you see a code, I wouldn't don't necessarily just trust it, but basically that is for you to go take that 5 digit code
26:42Speaker 1and go to Januszepatide's website. It's right there where you can verify a test. So you enter that code, push enter,
26:48Speaker 1bam, that test
26:50Speaker 1exactly
26:51Speaker 1the way that it is posted should show up on Genosix site.
26:55Speaker 1If it does not show up or those results are not found, then you have a counterfeit test that you're looking at. I don't know. K. So
27:01Speaker 1that will always just because it's not posted publicly, they're available publicly on Genosix site if you just
27:08Speaker 1you just type that in. The best package delivery service, when you place an order with Janoschik,
27:14Speaker 1they give you a suggestion
27:16Speaker 1of what mail service to use,
27:19Speaker 1and I believe it was like it's like $60
27:23Speaker 1from The US to
27:25Speaker 1Prague. It's about how much even then I think they suggest you use Pirate Ship,
27:30Speaker 1which is just a it's a shipping service.
27:32Speaker 1Okay? So,
27:34Speaker 1yeah, there's that most every single every CLA, every every lab should have a have that verification code for you to go back to the website and verify it. That's the whole point of having 0.333 party test done. You need to be able to freaking verify that. Right? Or else these are all just basically worthless.
27:50Speaker 1So, yeah, make sure you can go back to somebody's site that isn't the manufacturer.
27:54Speaker 1That's the peptide.
27:55Speaker 3Right.
27:56Speaker 1And they don't do their own, like, just straight in house testing because
28:00Speaker 1it's like calling my grandmother for a, for a recommendation of me.
28:05Speaker 1Okay. All right. Next. I am a 57 year old male currently on TRT. My doctor said I was in range, although I was 9
28:14Speaker 1in moles. This
28:17Speaker 1does then drop to 60
28:19Speaker 1or 6. Excuse me. 6.
28:22Speaker 1I have now have 37
28:24Speaker 1nanomoles
28:25Speaker 1tests and 0.98
28:26Speaker 1free tests, but estrogen is very high with no side effect. Should I take an AI? Also, I've lost 64 pounds and I'm currently damn weighed 2 59.
28:37Speaker 1I need to lose some more weight. 5 times 90 minute gym workouts a week,
28:42Speaker 1and protein around a 190
28:44Speaker 1per day
28:45Speaker 1and
28:46Speaker 12,200
28:48Speaker 1calories a day. Any recommendations on 12.5
28:51Speaker 1of Tirz, but effects
28:53Speaker 1feels minimal.
28:55Speaker 1Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So did the math. I have a to that. I didn't know what that was.
29:00Speaker 3So I had to research it. So the,
29:03Speaker 3so 37
29:04Speaker 3nanograms
29:05Speaker 4nanomoles,
29:07Speaker 3is,
29:08Speaker 310 67 nanograms per deciliter. So for us Americans, we go up nanograms per deciliter and that's 10 67. So that's great. That is really good. Total testosterone 0.9
29:19Speaker 1nanomoles
29:19Speaker 3is 28.3
29:22Speaker 3on free test. Those are good. You
29:25Speaker 3say
29:26Speaker 3your estrogen is high. You didn't tell us what that is. And that is obviously subjective,
29:31Speaker 3But,
29:33Speaker 3but
29:34Speaker 3I think even Will and I will both agree. We are our AI opinions have changed over the years and it's
29:42Speaker 3pretty rare if you're running testosterone
29:44Speaker 3replacement numbers that you're going to need an AI.
29:48Speaker 3So I'm going to say probably that you don't,
29:52Speaker 3but you don't say what your estrogen level is.
29:57Speaker 3You say that you are,
29:59Speaker 3where is it at 2 59 pounds
30:02Speaker 3and you're taking 190
30:04Speaker 3grams
30:06Speaker 3of protein. You definitely need to increase that. I mean, I know for some people that's difficult, but the easiest
30:12Speaker 3way to,
30:15Speaker 3for a man to start losing weight, you gotta
30:18Speaker 3lift weights, you gotta, you know, you gotta lift weights, you gotta eat enough protein. All meals should be based around protein. And I know that's difficult sometimes,
30:27Speaker 3but it's really easy math to just get 1 g of protein per body weight. And you're not doing enough of that
30:35Speaker 3on the Tirzepatide.
30:37Speaker 312.5
30:38Speaker 3mgs is a lot. I'd be really curious to know how long you've been, well, look, he's lost
30:44Speaker 165 pounds,
30:45Speaker 365 pounds.
30:47Speaker 3Been on it for a little while. Would imagine, especially if you're not feeling it anymore, you're probably on it for a while. You
30:53Speaker 3can definitely go to the better of the 3 and do the R
30:58Speaker 3You know what I mean? Do the R.
31:00Speaker 3What would you say in regards to the,
31:03Speaker 3the dosage?
31:04Speaker 3It's hard to say. We don't know a whole lot about you. You know, once, if we ever got on the phone with you, we could obviously ask you questions that would help us answer this.
31:13Speaker 3Off the cuff for me, I would probably break it in 0.5 and start that way by 6 Migs to Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
31:22Speaker 3Now I want to just be clear again, if you're new to the show,
31:27Speaker 3if you start with Tirzepatide,
31:29Speaker 3a lot of people think that Retrutide,
31:31Speaker 3raw art is not work.
31:34Speaker 3But it does
31:35Speaker 3much better. It just, you get hungry. You're supposed to get hungry.
31:39Speaker 3That's God gave us that for a reason.
31:42Speaker 3So they think it's not working because they're actually getting hungry again. You want that? What happens is very
31:49Speaker 3beauty of it is you start eating and you get full really quick. I
31:54Speaker 3remember when I 1st started taking it, I was amazed by it. I mean, I used to go home and just destroy
31:59Speaker 3a huge rib eye and like 6 eggs. When I started it, I was like eating 0.5 the rib eye and like, you know, it was crazy.
32:06Speaker 3So yeah, you want to switch to that and, Alpha-5s, like I said, 6 bigs probably is where I would start.
32:13Speaker 3But again,
32:14Speaker 3I always want to circle back around to,
32:17Speaker 3you
32:19Speaker 3could be over training, man, 5 days, a 105
32:21Speaker 3days a week at a 100, an hour and 0.5,
32:25Speaker 357,
32:26Speaker 3like I'm telling you, man, like what I've been reading, because I've, I've spoke about it a lot lately. I've, I lost my sweet spot and I've been studying the shit out of it because I had it for a long time.
32:36Speaker 3And 1 of the things is overtraining is a real thing. It really is. You need to make sure you get your rest. We're not 27 anymore. You're 57, I'm 49. I was, I talk about all the time. Hit 49 and I like ran into a wall and
32:51Speaker 3I'm out of my sweet spot. Like my gut got all jacked up and like,
32:55Speaker 3it's just, I've been trying to find it. That's 1 of the things that I've been coming up with is 1, I'm walking.
33:01Speaker 3I'm not doing any car, I'm walking and I feel great. So maybe add that in and maybe take out a day, maybe,
33:07Speaker 3maybe 1 more rest day and all you need is an hour. You don't need an hour and 0.5. That's a long time for a 57 year old. So those are some of the basics, man. I think they will help you a lot.
33:18Speaker 1Do got to do
33:19Speaker 4that? 0 would start off with his TRT.
33:22Speaker 4How many times he's doing it a week? If that's once a week,
33:26Speaker 4maybe twice a week, 3 times a week sub Q because that can probably help stabilize his testosterone. Maybe even like keep the estrogen a little bit lower with
33:34Speaker 4that.
33:36Speaker 1Absolutely.
33:37Speaker 4With the Tirzepatide,
33:39Speaker 4I would probably switch over to the R split
33:44Speaker 4it. I like to do 2 to 1 when you do that.
33:47Speaker 4If you don't want to switch over, you can always add 5 Amino
33:51Speaker 4to that. So
33:53Speaker 4that would kind of like
33:55Speaker 4with what I've noticed with a lot of people when they're on a GLP for a long time, their metabolic
34:00Speaker 4system tends to slow down or it's not optimized. So the 5 Amino, by adding that in there and even bumping up your calories a little bit more will kind of restart that. So keep you out of that plateau.
34:13Speaker 1Yep. So
34:15Speaker 4that's what I would recommend.
34:17Speaker 1And that makes sense because basically like guys, are, our metabolism
34:20Speaker 1is tied to the amount of food that we take in. Okay? Because, like, this is how we made it through winters when we were, like,
34:27Speaker 1lesser evolved.
34:28Speaker 1Okay? So our bodies, based on how much food we get we take in, our metabolisms will then kind speed up to that basic number. They also speed up based on that much amount of muscle we have or our basal metabolic rate, which is really based on how much muscle you have.
34:44Speaker 1So therefore, when a person for a prolonged amount of time is basically on a crash diet,
34:50Speaker 1Right? And and Tirzepatide allows that to allows the person to do that sustainably.
34:55Speaker 1Your metabolism then slows
34:57Speaker 1down because you ain't eating much. Now you're eating 2,200 calories. Okay. That's okay. It's not like 500 at least. But,
35:05Speaker 1yeah, I would think of timing of your food, right, is not all about calories. Right? It is, I think, it is all about macronutrients.
35:12Speaker 1Right? There's a huge difference. Right? I could eat the same amount of calories in steak and versus Twinkies,
35:18Speaker 1and there's gonna be a big difference. There's also gonna be a big difference if I could eat the same amount of
35:23Speaker 1macros,
35:24Speaker 1in 1 situation and then in another, but basically on how I time those meals and those nutrients
35:31Speaker 1will make a huge difference.
35:34Speaker 1The estrogen,
35:35Speaker 1no doubt, I don't care. I mean, we don't know
35:38Speaker 1what your dose is, but that's not important. What
35:41Speaker 1your reading comes back to is 10 67.
35:44Speaker 1Okay? That's pretty high. My guess is, unless maybe you have good natural testosterone and you're taking a low TRT dose or you're taking a high TRT dose. But regardless, that's why your estrogen is elevated because your testosterone, that's pretty high. I mean, most of these tests max out at like 1,400
36:02Speaker 1nanograms per deciliter. So
36:05Speaker 1at 1000, I mean, I do we do say, hey, an average male, the range should be, like, 1,200
36:13Speaker 1to 200. So 1,200 being, like, top of puberty,
36:17Speaker 1highest natural test, 18 years old, 17 years old. And
36:21Speaker 1you're at 1,000. I'm not mad at you for the 1,067,
36:24Speaker 1but that maybe explains why the estrogen is high. But
36:28Speaker 1if you're not getting any symptoms and those symptoms are acne,
36:32Speaker 1so if you're getting dotted out at all, right, maybe not getting big old zits, but if you're starting to see like little bits of acne everywhere, little bit more oily, that's an estrogen symptom.
36:41Speaker 1Water retention
36:42Speaker 1anywhere, right? Just looking a little bit more bloated, your sub Q layer holding water. Any nipple sensitivity,
36:51Speaker 1those are the big 3
36:52Speaker 1symptoms. If you're not having any of those, but the blood test says your estrogen is high, I wouldn't take an estrogen blocker. Right?
36:59Speaker 1Just like,
37:00Speaker 1I don't know. I believe in just measuring
37:03Speaker 1how you're doing based on how you're feeling.
37:07Speaker 1Don't take an estrogen blocker if you don't need it.
37:11Speaker 1But,
37:12Speaker 1yeah. So there's that. I think everything else that you said, yeah, dude, 90 minutes is too long. You don't need it. Go hard, go hard for shoot 40 minutes. Yeah.
37:21Speaker 3It changes you the way that you eat and the way that you train as we get older, it really radically changes. We should not be lifting heavy, heavy shit. Like, like we did when we were 27, you're getting hurt, man. Me too. I'm getting old. Thursday.
37:35Speaker 1Yes. But be careful of reps. So I have found it and they've done the most 3 recent scientific studies have said, okay, they've compared, Hey, what's worse for a person. Okay.
37:45Speaker 1High weight,
37:46Speaker 1low reps for a lifetime,
37:49Speaker 1right? Or
37:50Speaker 1low weight and high reps for a lifetime. And the newest research tells us that the high reps, what matters is
37:58Speaker 1how many times that joint moves,
38:00Speaker 1okay, not how bloated that joint is. Okay? So
38:05Speaker 1unless you, I mean, if unless I put 1000 pounds in my hand and I tear my elbow off, like that's bad folks. Right? But as long as you do heavy weight that you can control,
38:14Speaker 1the less reps is gonna be better longevity wise.
38:18Speaker 1Than just how many times that. So it's all about how many times that joint has to move in a lifetime.
38:23Speaker 1And I noticed that the higher reps end up wearing me down and hurting me more over time than, yeah, than a heavy load. But the heavy load just needs to be controllable. Heavy load. Be
38:34Speaker 3conscious of how you lift and really focus as Arnold used to say on what muscle you're training. Like we all get in there and do the same shit every day. And like, you forget that like you gotta watch,
38:43Speaker 3you know what I mean? It's very important. Like at our age, I say our age, you know, you're older than you, but again, like I'm not acute injuries. Don't account for this. I'm not, don't go into the equation.
38:53Speaker 4The 6 to 8 range, maybe the 4 to 6 range. Yeah.
38:57Speaker 1Yeah.
38:59Speaker 3I really want to sit on this 1 more time because I think it's important that especially if you, when you're 57,
39:05Speaker 3the macros
39:06Speaker 3and
39:07Speaker 3when you eat your fat and your protein and your carbs are
39:12Speaker 3extremely important for a 57 year old. Like, again, I would really, I don't care what type of diet you're on. There's many that work. I'm not 1 size, 1 shoe size fits all type of guy. Right? Whatever works for you. But I'm going to tell you eat your carbs before and after the gym and at nighttime, don't eat carbs, man. You don't want carbs. You are not 27 man. Those carbs are going to source fat. You definitely want to really pay attention to when you eat carbs. Carbs are not bad
39:39Speaker 1as long as you eat them at the right time. Yep. And fruit is a carb folks. Fruit is just a sugar.
39:44Speaker 1Fruit at night is like not a good idea. Are you lifting your legs?
39:49Speaker 1You know, we got people that live 5 times a week who don't lift their legs. Like your legs, legs, legs, legs, legs, folks. That's your biggest muscle in your body. That's the biggest calorie burner that you have.
40:00Speaker 1If anything, if you're gonna lift anything, you will burn the most amount of fat
40:04Speaker 1by lifting your legs. So don't
40:07Speaker 1cheat yourself on that.
40:09Speaker 1Lift your legs and your back twice as much as anything else. Anyway,
40:13Speaker 1that's my 0.0, yeah. Next. Next.
40:16Speaker 443 year old male, 2 23
40:19Speaker 4pounds. I'm running 10 mg,
40:21Speaker 4oral SLU-three
40:22Speaker 43250
40:24Speaker 4mill milligrams of 5 amino 1 MQ injectable
40:28Speaker 4L carnitine,
40:29Speaker 4but my fat loss is completely masked by my water retention because
40:34Speaker 1evening
40:35Speaker 4work schedule has my co cortisol
40:39Speaker 4through the roof and my sleep wrecked.
40:42Speaker 4I need a tool to break the cortisol loop and force deep sleep, but DSIP
40:48Speaker 4did absolutely
40:49Speaker 40 for me. I don't touch any chemicals.
40:52Speaker 4For a guy whose stress levels are stalling and perfectly dialed diet and had and heavy metabolic stack,
41:01Speaker 4what is the best non DSIP peptide protocol to drop the cortisol and flush the water? Good question. All right.
41:09Speaker 3I'll take it. Yeah, good. So again, I've been through this. I lived through it. It's cortisol
41:15Speaker 3is a son of a bitch. I dealt with it and it was rough.
41:19Speaker 3Man, I had this little ball in the bottom of my stomach
41:22Speaker 3and I could not get rid of it. Researching and researching, I've, you know, started reading about cortisol and it's a, it's a son of a bitch. It literally can kill you. So you gotta fix your sleep. I know that's the obvious, but let me say it out loud. Now I've said
41:36Speaker 3this numerous times. I have found the answer, at least for me, on how to sleep. I sleep a good 6 to 8 hours every night now, and I was sleeping I was sleeping, like, maybe Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. At Equinox, that's high performance loving.
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42:31Speaker 3So I know I know it well, brother. I'm with you. Here's and this was some listener sent this to me. I think it was on my Instagram.
42:39Speaker 3And, oh my gosh, almost from the 1st night I slept like a baby. It was awesome. Glycine,
42:45Speaker 3ashwagandha,
42:46Speaker 3magnesium glycate,
42:49Speaker 3melatonin,
42:50Speaker 3slow release tablets.
42:52Speaker 3Those together should really help you sleep, man. They worked for me. I mean, they radically worked for me. I still take them every night.
43:00Speaker 3If you want some
43:02Speaker 3peptide advice, I didn't do the best with DSIP either. There's people I know that love it. So it's kind of each his own, but a Selank and Semax might be good for you because it's going to calm you down a little bit, calm down the brain. Once you're not sleeping, it's like a mind F dude. You're not sleeping because you're like, no, you need sleep really bad. So then you're thinking about you not sleeping. And then it's just like, dude,
43:24Speaker 3you know what I mean? So if you do that, cause cause some of the things
43:30Speaker 3that are going to increase your cortisol are going to be lack of sleep, obviously.
43:35Speaker 3Overtraining,
43:35Speaker 3as we always talked about the last gentleman that increases.
43:39Speaker 3If you're restricting calories too much where people don't realize that if you're not eating enough, you will increase your cortisol. It'll do, it'll be
43:46Speaker 3counterproductive
43:47Speaker 3because you hold fat.
43:49Speaker 1So
43:50Speaker 3that's true. And then caffeine, believe it or not caffeine,
43:54Speaker 3you know, or
43:56Speaker 3cortisol to the spike in the morning. 1 of the things that I did was, I don't know what your sleep schedule is like is I don't drink coffee for the 1st hour. I go downstairs and I used to hit coffee and then wait 10 minutes and have a cup of coffee and then do my prayers and whatnot. I don't do that. I don't have coffee for an hour.
44:12Speaker 3What I do is hydrate like crazy. Go downstairs and I actually have a big box of Celtic salt and I
44:19Speaker 3lick it and put it on my tongue. Absorbs into your tongue. 3 big doses of salt and a big glass of water, man. You're going to be hydrated, dude. We are dehydrated when we sleep.
44:30Speaker 3And those are little tricks that have worked for me, brother.
44:34Speaker 3I think you follow them that will work for you. And then again, lastly,
44:39Speaker 3again,
44:39Speaker 3walking,
44:41Speaker 3it's amazing. Walking is amazing. I've loved it. Like I never, I haven't walked in a long time. Like I, after I eat, I walk and it's been awesome. I just, I don't know. I've enjoyed it. I either like either listen to a podcast,
44:54Speaker 3pray, get in the center. Like it works for me. I just have about 25 to 30 minutes where I just
45:00Speaker 3am with me,
45:02Speaker 3Grounding, meditating.
45:04Speaker 3And if
45:05Speaker 3you're feeling really,
45:07Speaker 3can't sleep, Wim Hof works really well. Breathing techniques, I don't know if you've ever heard of Wim Hof, but
45:14Speaker 3so many people know about it because it works really well. So you can start to do breathing 3 techniques and just the focusing on the breathing techniques. You'll, you'll definitely calm your head and I bet you'll sleep better. So that's what I got.
45:25Speaker 1Michael will do the, what you got? Just
45:28Speaker 4curious on when he takes these loops, the injectable,
45:32Speaker 4the 5 amino,
45:33Speaker 4I mean, L quarantine.
45:35Speaker 4Yep. Depending if he's working on the evening or in the morning can definitely affect his sleep.
45:40Speaker 4So
45:41Speaker 4that's 1 thing.
45:44Speaker 4I
45:46Speaker 4probably I really I sleep really, really well on, like, a Tesa Ipablan.
45:51Speaker 4So night? Yeah. I take it before bed, fasted, and I sleep like a baby. Yeah. And that's the only thing that's kind of like helped me sleep. So
46:01Speaker 4that can be a good,
46:03Speaker 4good thing because he's trying to lose weight. So that's another thing, but you know, you gotta be careful too with the Tesla on the dosing. Some people don't sleep. Some people that Mason does the opposite. Yeah.
46:14Speaker 3Because I had dealt with this, you know, so I can give you my firsthand experience. I will not take any peptides at night anymore. I used to have a morning dose and then at night and like, because I have my sleeping and I feel like 1000000 bucks these days, I won't take anything at night of like anything with peptide because I don't know if that was it. I don't know what the true culprit was, but I'm not, I just, it's worked for me what I'm doing, but the glycine and the Ashwagandha and the magnesium alone,
46:41Speaker 3I won't mess it up at night. I got it unlocked. So try that dude, seriously. Yeah. Can I are you ready for me? I won't ask.
46:47Speaker 1I think so 1st
46:50Speaker 1of all, I guess I would like to kind of argue the premise that your cortisol is purely because of your sleep.
46:59Speaker 1And I don't know you and I would ask you a whole bunch of questions, right, to get to know you better and to, like,
47:04Speaker 1see
47:05Speaker 1to, you know, maybe whittle this thing down.
47:09Speaker 1But,
47:10Speaker 1yeah,
47:11Speaker 1just
47:12Speaker 1and and and who's to say the water retention is just because of the cortisol.
47:16Speaker 1Right?
47:18Speaker 1I think there's a lot more that needs to go into it. Right? Not there's
47:22Speaker 1a whole lot of other things that can create cortisol. There's a whole lot of other things that can create water retention also.
47:28Speaker 1And that means but but the only thing here's the evidence that we got and the question is about sleep. So,
47:34Speaker 1Epitalon.
47:35Speaker 1So Epitalon
47:36Speaker 1is really is 1 of those things that, you know, you may you may not notice it, but it's worth a shot.
47:42Speaker 1That helps balance out a person's circadian rhythm.
47:46Speaker 1There are a whole bunch of sleep techniques that you can do to make sure that you get into the rhythm. Right? It's all about, like, a good sleep rhythm and being consistent with that. Right? Like, bright light in the morning, that's natural sunlight that gets your butt drop, right? It's going to sleep at the same time. Do not work out late at night, right? That will stimulate your system. You'll have a tough time going to sleep. I think the GHGH
48:08Speaker 1before bed,
48:10Speaker 1small dose, even the secretagogues.
48:12Speaker 1Yeah. Cool. That's 1 option.
48:14Speaker 1I haven't really heard of HGH backfiring on people like Tesamorelin. So- Me neither. I know we'd take in the morning, but like I'm also not opposed to like, shoot,
48:23Speaker 1you know, 2 IUs and 2 IUs or 1 NYU and 1 IU,
48:27Speaker 1at night. Selank.
48:30Speaker 1Selank is the 1 that is a nootropic and geolytic and is supposed to help your brain,
48:36Speaker 1and it does help your brain calm down a little bit.
48:39Speaker 1Don't take C Max, take Selank.
48:42Speaker 1C Max will do the opposite.
48:43Speaker 1And caffeine, you know, just watch your caffeine during the, you know, when you're taking, when you drink caffeine, cut that off, dude. Like you might just need to cut it off after noon.
48:53Speaker 1I don't know.
48:56Speaker 1Sleep apnea is a huge 1 that most, and a lot of times if you have sleep apnea, you don't know about it,
49:02Speaker 1because you only know about it if your wife tells you like, dude, you wake up,
49:06Speaker 1you snore like crazy and you wake yourself up all the time.
49:10Speaker 1So those,
49:12Speaker 1so peptides,
49:13Speaker 1there's my answer. It's not, you know, DSIP is not, some people are like, oh, it's amazing. Right? And some people that didn't do anything to you.
49:20Speaker 1I would,
49:22Speaker 1yeah, I would, I would, I don't know, see somebody once you like
49:27Speaker 1call us and ask us and we can like
49:30Speaker 11 on 1 right in our,
49:33Speaker 1in our program or consultations.
49:35Speaker 1Then we can go a lot deeper with you, But I would find somebody else to really analyze your entire life and
49:40Speaker 1see if we can find a different
49:42Speaker 1route to the problem, fix the problem. Because it is crazy
49:46Speaker 1how much
49:48Speaker 1you will not see anything physically change if you're not sleeping right. 100%.
49:53Speaker 1I remember when I came down here for the 1st time,
49:55Speaker 1and I went to I came down here for treatment and
49:59Speaker 1I was already was I did that for 2 months because I know my brain needs 2 months of like isolated,
50:04Speaker 1like no touching of substances to just grow back. But the 2nd month so I was already past my QD target. It was so hot here, and I was working out all the time. I remember there was a stretch of, like, 4 or 5 days. I didn't barely slept at all because it was so hot. I'd, like, take, like, cold bathtubs. I'm coming from Seattle. It's really hot here.
50:21Speaker 1And I was working out like crazy and like nothing was happening. And usually my body just flies, gets better.
50:29Speaker 1Grows muscle, burns fat really, really fast. And I was really amazed like, damn, nothing is working because I'm not sleeping.
50:36Speaker 1So,
50:37Speaker 1that's, you know, and yes, you're right. Right. The general hypothesis
50:40Speaker 1is because of cortisol. Right. But,
50:43Speaker 1it's worth in the 2nd look. That's all I got.
50:46Speaker 3Who's up Mike? No.
50:48Speaker 1Who was up? Who read last?
50:50Speaker 1You did? Okay.
50:52Speaker 3I'm up.
50:56Speaker 3Hello, JD and Will. 1st and foremost, thank you for being such an inspiration and wealth of knowledge.
51:02Speaker 3Your strength,
51:03Speaker 3knowledge, and perseverance is nothing but admirable. I'm
51:07Speaker 3a 53 year old female. I started HRT 1 year ago,
51:11Speaker 3currently on
51:12Speaker 312
51:13Speaker 3tests,
51:14Speaker 3100 mg of progesterone and 0.25 estradiol patch.
51:19Speaker 3I recently started CLO NAD and Thymosin.
51:22Speaker 3I don't go to the gym, but I do stretch
51:25Speaker 3every morning, lift a little weights, go outside, go out, step on the grass and soak in the sun. That girl.
51:32Speaker 3I don't like to take prescription drugs, good for you or
51:35Speaker 3are over the counter. I'm looking to live a long, healthy life.
51:39Speaker 3I would like to know what would help with maintaining muscle mass and healthy bones.
51:44Speaker 3A tiny backstory in 2009 had a total, gastric
51:49Speaker 3gastrectomy,
51:50Speaker 3gastrectomy,
51:51Speaker 3and double mastectomy.
51:53Speaker 3I have a genetic mutation
51:55Speaker 3called CDH-one,
51:57Speaker 3which is hereditary diffused gastric cancer.
52:00Speaker 3Oh. 0, that sounds brutal.
52:03Speaker 1I've got I'm sorry. No, here's my go to answer normally for people who want to preserve muscle,
52:11Speaker 1and not have any muscle wasting is HGH or any secretagogue. But like you, you
52:18Speaker 1can't, you should not be taking that. Right? If you have a history of cancer and,
52:22Speaker 1I'm sorry, 1st of all, like the gastrectomy is total.
52:26Speaker 1They removed
52:28Speaker 1your stomach
52:29Speaker 1and then remove both breasts. That's tough.
52:34Speaker 1I don't know. Here's the thing. Lift weights. You need to stimulate your muscles. So I know you say you do, and then, but
52:40Speaker 1really your goal needs to be like every single week,
52:43Speaker 1every muscle on your body gets worked out with bands wherever at home to soreness. Okay? It takes about 2 weeks for a muscle to atrophy. So
52:52Speaker 1if you don't do anything, let's call it from a bicep for a couple weeks, it just starts declining.
52:58Speaker 1Alright? It starts burning off. Now, you can burn it off a whole lot faster too if you wanna go on marathon runs only.
53:04Speaker 1Your body will just
53:06Speaker 1well,
53:07Speaker 1you'll catabolic.
53:08Speaker 1Your body will cannibalize
53:10Speaker 1your muscle.
53:11Speaker 1So, you know, my best suggestion
53:14Speaker 1is like without
53:15Speaker 1the tool of an HGH peptide
53:18Speaker 1or HGH itself or
53:21Speaker 1anything related to that,
53:23Speaker 1eat protein,
53:24Speaker 1make sure that you are eating a good amount of protein.
53:28Speaker 1Keep doing your testosterone
53:29Speaker 1patch. I don't know, you know, 12 Migs a week for a woman injectable is too much,
53:35Speaker 1but that's not injectable. Think she said it's a patch.
53:37Speaker 1No. Oh, extra dial patch.
53:40Speaker 1So yeah, it did. I guess it does seem high.
53:43Speaker 1I
53:44Speaker 1would say 10. Yeah. I would 10. I'd maybe start a little bit lower, but who knows if you're tolerant to that great, that will help keep muscle on.
53:52Speaker 1But
53:53Speaker 1like eating protein and just making sure you're stimulating those muscles with resistance training consistently
53:58Speaker 1and then feeding them protein.
54:00Speaker 1Yeah. So work out every single muscle on your body 1 to 2 times a week, and it needs to be worked out so hard that it is sore
54:09Speaker 1for a day or 2
54:11Speaker 1after that workout. Okay? If you work out a muscle, let's say if you do a weight training workout
54:16Speaker 1and tomorrow
54:17Speaker 1that muscle doesn't feel sore,
54:20Speaker 1you did nothing to it.
54:22Speaker 1Okay. Remember that you did nothing to it. Now you, you probably made it so it ain't you, you stimulated it, but you sure didn't tell it to grow because it didn't tear down. Therefore it doesn't think it needs to grow back any bigger or stronger or better.
54:35Speaker 1I
54:36Speaker 1don't know. Yeah. I'm kind of stumped.
54:39Speaker 4Got a big dog. I'd probably go more of the mitochondria route for longevity,
54:45Speaker 4so
54:46Speaker 4SS-thirty 1. Yeah, true. I do SS-thirty 1. If you do work out like Will told you, you should a little bit more. I'd pipe bump up the CLO
54:57Speaker 4for like muscle recovery,
54:59Speaker 4but mainly
55:00Speaker 4hit that SS-thirty 1. Let's repair longevity.
55:05Speaker 4Here for longevity.
55:07Speaker 1It might, it helps for, it can help for muscle gain. Yeah. That's why JD and I are right now taking 15 to 30 mg a day. And
55:15Speaker 4then you can switch over the Moxie, give you that extra energy.
55:19Speaker 3Rev it up. Yeah. The answer, I like it. You on the gym. Yeah. So,
55:23Speaker 3yeah.
55:24Speaker 3So, you know, so, you know, the start of this
55:29Speaker 3statement or this question, to speak is a 1st and foremost, thank you for being such inspirations and wealth of knowledge.
55:36Speaker 3I want to sit on that for a 2nd. These guys just kind of answered you, but, we are so grateful for the people that write in. I mean, it warms my heart. I mean, you know our story because you guys write in all the time. I mean, Will and I are both in recovery. I mean, we were people that are addicted to heroin and, now we have a fairly successful company and a successful podcast. And, if you're listening to this and you're struggling,
55:57Speaker 3this is what happens when you get sober, man.
55:59Speaker 3My sponsor, when I got sober, looked at me and said, JD, if you do these things, your life will become so freaking amazing. It'll blow your mind. And I was like, I just want a car.
56:09Speaker 3Have 2 DYs, you know?
56:11Speaker 3But I wanted to sit on that and really just say thank you for all you people that ride
56:16Speaker 3in and are grateful for what we do. It warms our heart. It really does. And, you guys keep us going.
56:22Speaker 3So they answered a lot of that. I thought that's, that was great. SS-31. What a great answer. You went out a different angle. Glad you're here, Mike. Well, thanks. But,
56:31Speaker 3creatine,
56:32Speaker 3everybody,
56:34Speaker 3everybody, everybody listening to this should be taking creatine. You too, ladies. Creatine is great. So,
56:40Speaker 3that's a must. You can take monohydrate,
56:43Speaker 3which is the most popular. It's
56:45Speaker 3generally in a powdered form or Will and I both like HCL. I take them both. I take HCL in the morning. And then after I lift, I take monohydrate.
56:53Speaker 3Man, it's just good for your brain. It's good for your muscles. It is
56:57Speaker 3the most steady compound for a reason. So
57:01Speaker 3that'll help my dear. And
57:04Speaker 32 other things,
57:05Speaker 3and I would just want to sit on this point because it's important. You gotta do some type of resistance training. I know they said that, but like you could get bands.
57:12Speaker 3You don't have to go to the gym. You can get bands and you could put the bands everywhere
57:17Speaker 3and you can do your arms or triceps. You can do your back. You can do squats. I mean, you can do an amazing workout daily
57:25Speaker 3and no weight. I mean, so
57:28Speaker 3do that and,
57:30Speaker 3you know, get that sleep into my dear, because that stuff is important with some of the stuff that you went through.
57:38Speaker 3They, they answered the peptide question. I wanted to say that and sit on the thank you part. There you go. Yeah. Who's that? Cool.
57:46Speaker 1I don't know, but I'll do me. Okay. Here it is. Short 1. What is your opinion outlook on collagen peptides
57:53Speaker 1Now,
57:55Speaker 1I'm not really quite sure what you mean by this, collagen peptides. Do you mean we'll cover basis.
58:01Speaker 1Like when you see those protein powders, they're like collagen
58:05Speaker 1protein powders. Yeah. My thought on those is, and I've there, then the studies have shown us like
58:13Speaker 1modest
58:14Speaker 1results.
58:15Speaker 1And that's like, that's generous.
58:18Speaker 1I would be willing to bet if you did took a collagen peptides for a year,
58:24Speaker 1you know, the, the, like a, like a powdered
58:27Speaker 1collagen peptides for a year,
58:29Speaker 1and then, or
58:31Speaker 1threw that away and took none of them at the end of the year, you'd look this, would, nothing would change. Okay.
58:36Speaker 1Now, if you mean like actual peptides that because
58:41Speaker 1actual peptides that help with collagen,
58:44Speaker 1like BPC-one
58:45Speaker 1157 and
58:47Speaker 1TB-five 100 and a GHK-3CU.
58:50Speaker 1I think those things are freaking awesome. That is what works, right? 3 post
58:54Speaker 3popular peptides for the reason. They
58:57Speaker 1work GHK-3CU,
58:58Speaker 1right? It helps your body, your skin specifically
59:01Speaker 1create more natural collagen. Okay?
59:04Speaker 1It's actually, it's being studied. There's this active study right now,
59:08Speaker 1on how well it is doing with, with, with
59:10Speaker 1dermis,
59:12Speaker 1like
59:13Speaker 1cut injuries, like, so a cut on your skin.
59:16Speaker 1And it's and it's showing a lot of promise there, but obviously filling in wrinkles, etcetera. Right? BPC
59:23Speaker 1allows your body to take nutrients and convert more of that to collagen,
59:27Speaker 1more building materials, and and so does TB-five 100 and
59:31Speaker 1allow them to bring to signal where to throw those building materials,
59:35Speaker 1and then carry those and have all the messengers that carry all of that to rebuild you better. So those things are awesome.
59:43Speaker 1The big corporate supplements that have collagen in them, I think that they are worthless.
59:48Speaker 3It's like when keto
59:50Speaker 3was popular or even carnivore was popular and they had all these carnivore bars and all this stuff. Yeah. It's Yeah. They're just capitalizing on the- They're jumping on the bandwagon and if you see it, you're gonna believe that that's gonna I mean, ketosis still, like, not even close. Like, it's just that's- It's a marketing tool. It's a ruse. Yeah, it's just marketing. But those peptides, as Will said, are amazing. And then you also have to be careful when we were talking about this, I think off camera is,
1:00:15Speaker 3like even protein powder, most of it's doodoo. It's just the case. Like you'd want to go with a higher grade or look at the ingredients
1:00:22Speaker 3and because
1:00:24Speaker 3you know, you, you want to spend the extra dollars on some supplements. Cause like you said, the collagen production, my wife takes it every morning, even though,
1:00:31Speaker 3you know, she can get peptides, you know?
1:00:34Speaker 3But lesser so I know you're listening to this baby. I love you. Lot of times placebo and that's the most effective part of it. It's true.
1:00:41Speaker 3Always say most of time, but if I think it's it's working. And
1:00:44Speaker 1you will do everything else in your life that helps benefit that too. Like that 1 little thing like, Oh, well, if I'm doing this, right, then I better do, I better work out harder and I better eat better food. Like that,
1:00:55Speaker 1all that stuff
1:00:56Speaker 1is what works. But hell, if that puts you in the mode and mindset to do it, great. Well also, because we have, you know, the, the, the face there, which has GHKCU
1:01:06Speaker 3know,
1:01:08Speaker 3I I've
1:01:08Speaker 3to post about this all the time. I mean, I get these laser facials that, you know, as I gotten older and every 3 months, I think I do them. My wife and I go together.
1:01:17Speaker 3I mean, the serum expedites the
1:01:20Speaker 3healing. I'm not kidding in cuts it in 0.5. We've done it without it. And we've done it with it every time now. And it's like, woah,
1:01:28Speaker 3it's that good. So do we love them? Yeah. They're that good. That's why everybody's mind them.
1:01:34Speaker 3Who's that? Mike, you up? My turn. Alright. Alright.
1:01:37Speaker 4With me on this 1. Yeah. This one's got a lot of numbers and blood
1:01:41Speaker 4work stuff. So 42
1:01:44Speaker 4year old female, hundred 27 pounds, 5 3, recently had labs, Hormones look good,
1:01:50Speaker 4although free T3
1:01:52Speaker 4and free T4 are both a little low.
1:01:56Speaker 4A 2 hour insulin sensitivity test showed high levels of insulin
1:02:01Speaker 4product post glucose.
1:02:04Speaker 4Insulin remains
1:02:05Speaker 4high for longer
1:02:07Speaker 4than it should. Glucose response was slower
1:02:10Speaker 4than desired.
1:02:11Speaker 4And when it did respond, glucose decreased.
1:02:15Speaker 4Numbers, numbers, numbers,
1:02:17Speaker 4lots of numbers.
1:02:20Speaker 4This demonstrates to me poor insulin sensitivity.
1:02:25Speaker 4Wondering your thoughts
1:02:27Speaker 4and recommendations.
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1:03:32Speaker 4split
1:03:33Speaker 4Monday, Thursday,
1:03:35Speaker 4250,
1:03:38Speaker 4Ipah before bed Monday through Friday,
1:03:41Speaker 41 mg, 5 amino,
1:03:43Speaker 4and 10 mg
1:03:44Speaker 4NAD Monday through Friday, finished SS-thirty
1:03:48Speaker 41 and Moxie 3 weeks ago.
1:03:52Speaker 3It sounds like you're insulin resistant.
1:03:54Speaker 3Yeah. I mean, that's what it sounds like. So all those numbers that you put in there
1:03:58Speaker 3are kind of pointing towards that. And so the 1st thing I know that jumped out at all 3 of us is when you take a growth hormone or secret a dog,
1:04:07Speaker 3it can,
1:04:09Speaker 3it can reduce the insulin sensitivity. So meaning your body responds to insulin
1:04:14Speaker 3poorly.
1:04:15Speaker 3So,
1:04:17Speaker 3that's
1:04:17Speaker 3really probably what's going on for the most part. And you want to pull out the growth hormone secreted dog. I think that might be just it now
1:04:26Speaker 3if it's deeper,
1:04:28Speaker 3I don't know, but, you know, insulin sensitivities when the body responds well to insulin. So people don't, and then the insulin resistance is when the body responds poorly to insulin, just so people know, because I know that gets thrown out there a lot.
1:04:42Speaker 3Yeah, I think honestly,
1:04:44Speaker 3you know, the people that, that, that, I
1:04:48Speaker 3think that if you just pull that out, I honestly think that will do well. It's just 1 of those things and you could pull it out for a bit. It probably will rectify itself. You can always go back on,
1:04:57Speaker 3but I think that will fix it. What do you think?
1:05:00Speaker 10 Yeah. So, okay. I do not. So she is for everybody else. Right? She gave us different numbers of her glucose and her insulin at,
1:05:09Speaker 1like, hour by hour based
1:05:12Speaker 1on having a post glucose drink. Right? And then here's how it went, how her glucose rose or lowered and insulin matches. So she said, hey, this pattern
1:05:22Speaker 1suggests poor insulin sensitivity
1:05:24Speaker 1to me.
1:05:26Speaker 1Is even though, yes, you're right, those numbers
1:05:31Speaker 1show
1:05:33Speaker 1not as great of response
1:05:35Speaker 1as you want, right, as we want.
1:05:37Speaker 1I don't think that they exactly correlate to a actual, like, diagnosed hypoglycemic
1:05:45Speaker 1condition,
1:05:47Speaker 1you need to have,
1:05:48Speaker 1so this is a situation I would go to a doctor. I'd go to an endocrinologist.
1:05:53Speaker 1Okay. And
1:05:54Speaker 1really have them because there are other factors that
1:05:58Speaker 1go into this, right? We can't really just
1:06:02Speaker 1measure that and then make your own make your own diagnosis and then move forward.
1:06:07Speaker 1But what we can do here is talk about things that
1:06:11Speaker 1lower or increase insulin sensitivity,
1:06:14Speaker 1You know?
1:06:15Speaker 1And JD is right.
1:06:17Speaker 1And I would look at all
1:06:20Speaker 1basic health patterns, nutrition,
1:06:23Speaker 1sleep,
1:06:24Speaker 1etcetera.
1:06:25Speaker 1But, yeah, for sure, we know the c the the the secretagogs
1:06:29Speaker 1and HGH, right, they can over time blunt,
1:06:32Speaker 1insulin sensitivity. Right?
1:06:35Speaker 1Your body recognizes glucose. We eat glucose. We eat we eat sugar. It turns into glucose,
1:06:40Speaker 1and our body then notices that and
1:06:43Speaker 1pushes insulin out there. Insulin kind of counteracts that. You
1:06:48Speaker 1want
1:06:49Speaker 1want that glucose to really be killed by the least amount of insulin. People with insulin sensitivity who are insensitive,
1:06:55Speaker 1their body needs to keep pushing, oh, more and more and more and more insulin, and that's very unhealthy and turns into that's like, you know, where we go to pre diabetic diabetic, and that's not good. Right. So, you know,
1:07:07Speaker 1there's my suggestion,
1:07:09Speaker 1explanation
1:07:10Speaker 1and suggestion,
1:07:11Speaker 1and I don't I mean, the R
1:07:14Speaker 1those R
1:07:15Speaker 1peptides and the, you know, the GLP is like
1:07:19Speaker 1here's the worry. I would see the I don't know. I still like seeing an endocrinologist. It's not maybe a great idea to just use the like metformin is another thing to, like, lower blood sugar,
1:07:28Speaker 1but,
1:07:30Speaker 1in case you have some other thing going on, sometimes
1:07:33Speaker 1the GLPs can't really control blood, you know, blood glucose levels. Right? That's not their job.
1:07:39Speaker 1Well, they just don't do a good job. They can they can go up and down and spike. What you need to make sure is like the the basic rules, like, never eat don't ever eat carbs alone.
1:07:48Speaker 1Right? Ensure as hell don't eat sugar
1:07:50Speaker 1alone by itself. What you don't want is these big spikes.
1:07:54Speaker 1And,
1:07:55Speaker 1yeah, eat low glycemic carbohydrates. If you go to the glycemic index online, it's gonna tell you. It'll list everything, right, tell you what
1:08:03Speaker 1carbs
1:08:04Speaker 1turn into sugar a lot faster
1:08:06Speaker 1and therefore provide you with quick fast energy, but then burn off and have a higher propensity to turn to fat versus carbs that last a long time, provides you with really good long sustained energy. If you don't use that energy, that stores in your muscles instead of converting to fat. So you just don't want big spikes.
1:08:24Speaker 3Again, it goes back to like when you get older, you need to know what to eat, when to eat it. Like when we were younger, it was great, right? To eat whatever we wanted. Oh, I miss those days. But if you want to stay in shape when you're older, you just got to know what to eat, what carbs to eat, which ones to leave out. And I know that sucks, but it's like, once you get it down and
1:08:42Speaker 3if you need help, we'll help you. We got a GoatG program down. So we'll help you with all that. It's really not that difficult once you kind of get it down. It's not, but it is for somebody who's new and like, it's like, there's a lot of information, but, but absolutely you try and try and post it, put my fitness channel on the mark and like, it got me like 25,000 followers from 1 post was about like just insulin and whatnot at night. Don't eat carbs at night and like the world- It'll kill It'll kill your world- Mine. I dipped out after a day and it ran for months. Yeah. They're fighting for each But it true. Was true. Like it was, it was, it was a minute clip too. It's like, man, 0 It was true. You just left out the like scientific steps in between, but who cares? That's
1:09:25Speaker 3said you're damned if you do damned if you're doing social media world, baby.
1:09:30Speaker 1Right.
1:09:30Speaker 1You're up JD. Yep.
1:09:33Speaker 1David, there's Michael just ready. Warriors.
1:09:36Speaker 3I'm blessed to have you 2 in my ear. You. Male 6 1 went from 2 40 pounds at 2 28
1:09:44Speaker 3while lifting 3 times a week. Currently, STACK are 5.5
1:09:48Speaker 3megs a week. Tesamorelin,
1:09:51Speaker 3mg nightly.
1:09:52Speaker 3Phentamorelin
1:09:54Speaker 3stopped August 1,
1:09:56Speaker 3180
1:09:57Speaker 3protein,
1:09:59Speaker 370 carbs,
1:10:00Speaker 370 grams of carbs, 67 hours of sleep.
1:10:03Speaker 3Goal is to maintain fat loss and maximize muscle gain. I look like Mr. William T Haws.
1:10:10Speaker 3That's actually funny.
1:10:11Speaker 1What's funny.
1:10:14Speaker 3Yeah. Question 1, after reaching goal weight of GLP
1:10:18Speaker 3crunch,
1:10:19Speaker 3how should dosing change
1:10:21Speaker 3when moving fat from fat loss to muscle gain? Should I stay on the lowest effective dose taper off or adjust based on appetite and body composition? Question 2, how do I balance GLP appetite suppression
1:10:34Speaker 3with eating enough calories and protein for
1:10:38Speaker 3hypertrophy?
1:10:39Speaker 3Is increased hunger during a bulk beneficial
1:10:43Speaker 3and what signs show are is limiting muscle growth? Thank you.
1:10:48Speaker 4Stuff. I like this 1. It's a good question.
1:10:52Speaker 4Go ahead, Michael. I recently did this because I didn't, I went on bulk, was on Reda,
1:10:58Speaker 1was
1:11:00Speaker 4not too high. So I brought it down to a low dose Reda to keep the food noise out. Or
1:11:09Speaker 4I did a
1:11:11Speaker 4since you're at 5.5
1:11:13Speaker 4mg per week, I would do more like a 1.5
1:11:18Speaker 4every 5 days would help with the food noise, but keep an appetite with you.
1:11:25Speaker 4So that's what helped me the most where I was still had an appetite,
1:11:29Speaker 4but
1:11:31Speaker 4I could still eat
1:11:33Speaker 1Plenty, so. Yeah. I think this is, I mean, the, I think the answer here is a common sense answer. How
1:11:40Speaker 1do we switch from like, what was dosing look like on Retta? Tell me if I have this question right. What would my dosing look like on Retta after I've reached my goal weight and lost all the weight, and now I want to start gaining muscle, but I don't wanna stop taking the hour?
1:11:55Speaker 1What
1:11:56Speaker 1would the dosing look like? Well, here's the deal. Yes. You need to have a if you wanna gain some more muscle, right, you need to be eating some food. Okay? So you definitely cannot be taking so much where that it's restricting your appetite. Right. Itself,
1:12:09Speaker 1it in itself is not actually well,
1:12:13Speaker 1there is an argument for it blunting
1:12:15Speaker 1HGH
1:12:16Speaker 1pathways.
1:12:17Speaker 1Okay?
1:12:20Speaker 1And which that in turn, right, leads directly into muscle growth. And so there is an argument that you're taking a good amount of R,
1:12:29Speaker 1will
1:12:30Speaker 1do more from preventing hypertrophy
1:12:33Speaker 1than just restricting your calories.
1:12:36Speaker 1But I think this all goes hand in hand. Yes, lower the dose.
1:12:40Speaker 1Lower the dose. Absolutely. So the bad food noise is gone. You know, you've lost some weight and good for you. Let's stick with those habits, right? Like this is 1 of the benefits of all of this is a huge benefit is like guys keep the momentum, right? You've learned what it's like to eat healthier, right? And to eat less and your stomach has shrunk. I guarantee it. I know this because this happens when I was eating for football, we had to just cram food so we can rate you can increase the stomach. Your stomach shrunk down right now. Don't push it.
1:13:06Speaker 1Lower the red. You might get a little bit more hungry, but it will take the edge off of that food noise. So, but don't
1:13:13Speaker 1don't just jam food in there. Right? Get in that habit of eating till you're satiated
1:13:19Speaker 1and not till you're full.
1:13:21Speaker 1Boost up your protein. Just focus on protein, protein, protein, protein, protein. If you're a man and you really want to gain some muscle, 1.5 g of muscle protein per
1:13:32Speaker 1pound of goal body weight.
1:13:37Speaker 1Yeah, how do you know if Retta is inhibiting your muscle growth? If if shit. If,
1:13:43Speaker 1if R is limiting your muscle growth, well, because you're just not able to eat
1:13:49Speaker 1that correct amount of protein.
1:13:52Speaker 1Other than that, you don't really know, sorry, about it blunting your growth hormone pathways. Sorry, you just don't really know. But,
1:13:59Speaker 1I think if you lower it, like he said,
1:14:04Speaker 1it's not going to blunt as much if you just keep eating and you lift heavy
1:14:08Speaker 1and you maybe take some other supplements,
1:14:11Speaker 1take testosterone, that'll take care of all your problems. But,
1:14:15Speaker 1yeah, the drum sets. No, I don't think he mentioned that, but he's 31. So like, I'm not telling you to do that.
1:14:22Speaker 1I personally,
1:14:24Speaker 1I don't know. I personally subscribed to the philosophy of always trying to
1:14:29Speaker 1gain muscle and burn fat at maybe a slower rate as opposed to a bulk in a cut.
1:14:37Speaker 1You know, the true bulk and cut like bodybuilders is so bad for you. Yeah. It really just really, really, really, really like dump trucks when they're bulking dudes. Yeah. It's so not good as all these other questions that have happened, right? That like people talking about, you know, all what it does to your body when you lose a whole bunch of fat rapidly,
1:14:53Speaker 1like, you know, all that waste needs to go somewhere. Is not good on your body. So,
1:14:58Speaker 1I don't know. That's my best answer. Like use it as common sense.
1:15:02Speaker 1The best answer would be like, use your common sense that you need to eat food
1:15:08Speaker 1to put muscle on.
1:15:09Speaker 1If it's inhibiting your food
1:15:11Speaker 1intake, then it's inhibiting your muscle growth.
1:15:15Speaker 3I always like saying it, man, Rich Piana, you want to eat, get it, eat big. You
1:15:20Speaker 3want to get big, get it big.
1:15:23Speaker 3Yeah, man. And here's the thing. So again, you want to remember the goal is not to take anything in perpetuity except for HGH and TRT.
1:15:33Speaker 3Even HGH. Was, I'm not even actually taking it right now. Believe it or not. The 1st time in years.
1:15:39Speaker 3Cause I was trying to get back to the basics. Was pulling the girl, Thormin out myself for a reason.
1:15:45Speaker 3But you gotta make sure you eat that protein brother. Like I know that he said, you're not eating enough protein. Like you said your weight. So it's a very simple math, eat the protein.
1:15:54Speaker 3And then secondly,
1:15:56Speaker 3don't, you gotta change that mindset because you don't want to stay in Retta in perpetuity. You want to come off of it anyway. You want to get your eating habits
1:16:03Speaker 3down because you're 31 dude. We're to be in Reddit forever. So you want to get to the point where you're at and you want to really like start to enforce discipline to the degree where your eating habits have radically changed.
1:16:16Speaker 3And
1:16:17Speaker 3you know, that's
1:16:18Speaker 3the goal,
1:16:19Speaker 3right? That's the goal. You're young. You got a lot of time, dude.
1:16:22Speaker 3Eating the proper foods at the right time. It's that simple dude. It really is.
1:16:27Speaker 3So these guys already answered the rest.
1:16:31Speaker 3Eat more protein for sure.
1:16:36Speaker 1By the way, I'm glad you stopped the phentermine. I mean, for any of us who are in this program, Phen Phen is not, that's what AKA Phen Phen, right? It's just, it's, it's, amphetamines,
1:16:46Speaker 1but it is still the prescribed fat burner. The doctors give to people.
1:16:50Speaker 1How do you feel better? How do you feel without that? Probably a lot better. Oh, me not being an upper person. I like, I take that stuff.
1:16:59Speaker 1But good.
1:17:00Speaker 1I'll take that.
1:17:02Speaker 1Okay.
1:17:03Speaker 1I'm a, I'll finish it. Take us home. So I'm a 27 year old,
1:17:07Speaker 15 foot 4,
1:17:09Speaker 1145
1:17:10Speaker 1pound female that has lost 80 pounds. Holy
1:17:14Speaker 1Good job. That's that's great.
1:17:16Speaker 1I started Tirz with, that my doctor prescribed me to help my PCOS symptoms.
1:17:21Speaker 1I have switched to R for 5 months now and will never change. It's elite. Good.
1:17:27Speaker 1I have done a round of Tesa and AOD, but I don't know what to try next. I'm looking to lose my last 15 pounds,
1:17:34Speaker 1but still keep on muscles since I weight train 3 to 5 times a week. Good job. Good for you, man. That that that is what we yeah. That's somebody just
1:17:44Speaker 1changing their own life
1:17:46Speaker 1and never going back. Yep. Because life's better. Now I know that she said that just for the r, but, like,
1:17:52Speaker 1I will also interpret I will never change, meaning I'm never gonna put the 80 pounds back on. Good for you. Good for you. So what else? What do got? 3 3 2 would be great for you. Yep. 5
1:18:02Speaker 3Amino-1MQ,
1:18:03Speaker 3which is my top 5. I freaking love it. I think 5 Amino was amazing, especially the people that are on JP-1and
1:18:09Speaker 3Michael said earlier, it's great.
1:18:12Speaker 3So those 2
1:18:13Speaker 3alone would be 2 that you can replace the Tesa AOD. You know, you generally had 27. I mean, you generally want to have a secret dog in there as well.
1:18:26Speaker 3But you can run Tesamorelin for quite some time. I don't know how Rick, you, how you, well you ran it, but it's really is really good for that visceral fat, that little belly fat really is nothing better than that. But those are 2 that are fat burners that are awesome.
1:18:39Speaker 3SLU-3three
1:18:40Speaker 32 and,
1:18:41Speaker 35 of to 1 of them too. So try that.
1:18:46Speaker 4Alright. Last 15 pounds is always the hardest. Mhmm. Here you go. It is. Twice as hard for it. So, like, JD said,
1:18:53Speaker 4gonna be at the 5 amino, and then I would add the Moxie into 2. So it'll give you that extra energy. I'll probably run a little bit of fat too there.
1:19:03Speaker 4So we're kinda hitting the fat at like 3 different angles
1:19:07Speaker 4with the R5 amino and the Moxie.
1:19:10Speaker 3So
1:19:11Speaker 4that's the
1:19:13Speaker 4route I would go and keep it, keep it up.
1:19:17Speaker 4Last 5 pounds are going to be hard, but you got this. It's
1:19:20Speaker 1hard because
1:19:21Speaker 1you've, your, you've lost all this weight, right? And you've guaranteed you lost some muscle. And so your metabolism is probably at the slowest it's ever been. So, and then laziness that last little bit, here's the hardest part for people. It's like, you gotta start eating more food. So you need my,
1:19:36Speaker 1I wouldn't say you need to, like, you do whatever you want, but like, I would say it's
1:19:41Speaker 1adding muscle. So yep, we gotta focus on adding muscle. That is how that last little bit of weight actually comes off. See, I know. Got question. I'll miss you.
1:19:52Speaker 1I've seen it a 100 times, and so that means you're going to need to start eating a little bit more probably. But again, you can eat smart. It doesn't mean necessarily need mean I didn't just, it's not carb launch to just go eat. Right? Let's add in a little bit more protein. Let's do small frequent meals of protein.
1:20:08Speaker 1Let's, I mean, shoot, go on, going keto,
1:20:12Speaker 1see what happens there.
1:20:15Speaker 1E protein
1:20:17Speaker 1and add some muscle that brings your base metabolism up. Then that will allow you to burn the fat and then do the other things that they said also to help burn the fat. L carnitine's 1 that wasn't mentioned,
1:20:28Speaker 1like an injectable L carnitine.
1:20:31Speaker 1And
1:20:32Speaker 1yeah, kick ass. You're going to so take all these suggestions as a guess and check. You're just gonna have to try,
1:20:39Speaker 1try different things. You go, wow, that really worked. Okay. I'll do that cycle. Then I'll do something else. And then I'll come back to that 1. That really worked.
1:20:46Speaker 1You'll figure it out. You'll get to know. I mean, you've obviously probably learned a whole lot in this journey so far to 80 pounds.
1:20:52Speaker 1Good job. Keep going.
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