Peptide Q&A #55 – Peptide Sensitivity, COA Verification, Cortisol & Sleep & Insulin Resistance
Peptide of the Week
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0:54  Speaker 2:  Welcome back to the peptide of the week podcast.
0:57  Speaker 2:  I'm your host, JD Denham. Like always, to my left side is Mr. William T. Haas, my co host.
1:04  Speaker 2:  And today we have a guest,
1:07  Speaker 2:  a sales consultant,
1:09  Speaker 2:  a peptide consultant
1:11  Speaker 2:  who's trained by
1:12  Speaker 2:  Will and myself and Mr. Paul back to you are a lot of, a lot of guys that, we respect. So he's a wealth of knowledge. So we wanted to bring him on the podcast
1:21  Speaker 2:  so you could see him meet him and,
1:24  Speaker 2:  bring him into the mix. So Mr. Michael, I call him Michael at time. His name is Michael
1:30  Speaker 2:  Vandel,
1:31  Speaker 2:  which is the coolest last name ever
1:33  Speaker 2:  seen. I always said denim's pretty damn cool too, but, Vandel's up there.
1:38  Speaker 2:  Thanks guys. Yeah. Welcome, dude. It's good to get you on the show, man. Yeah. I've heard every
1:44  Speaker 2:  episode. So it's nice to be on it now. Yeah. I want to actually, let's tell the story about how I met Mike. It's a great story. Mike is, kind of like, like, if you will, my little protege, I've kind of taken him under my wing because I respect him. I think he's awesome. So let me tell you the story of how I met him. So I had back surgery. I mean, you remember that? And
2:03  Speaker 2:  my beautiful bride got me a hyperbaric company to come out and I do, I think 5, 5, 7 days is what we did. 1st day, it was the owner. Next, most of the days came back. It was Mike and, Michael. And he,
2:18  Speaker 2:  we started talking and just talking about live, talking about the peptide podcast.
2:22  Speaker 2:  And I think I showed it to you. I don't think you had listened to it at that point, but he started listening to it because every time he came back, he had questions. And then after we stayed in touch and
2:32  Speaker 2:  every time I talked to him, he had listened to the podcast and asked many, many, many questions. He was
2:38  Speaker 2:  more and more educated
2:40  Speaker 2:  and,
2:41  Speaker 2:  I was impressed. I always
2:44  Speaker 2:  say that if you want to get in the rooms of the men that'll change your life, need to have a damn good knock. And I started to cultivate that when I met my mentor,
2:52  Speaker 2:  because
2:53  Speaker 2:  he didn't pay attention to me until I had a good knock.
2:56  Speaker 2:  And I started asking articulate questions and he started responding and it reminded me of me because you did that.
3:04  Speaker 2:  So,
3:05  Speaker 2:  yeah, that's when Will and I decided to take them under our wing and do some training with him. And then even Paul got involved. And so cool story, so I met you. I thought it's a great story. And now, and now everybody who
3:19  Speaker 4:  we run into that needs like a supplement,
3:21  Speaker 4:  like full supplement or peptide consultation,
3:25  Speaker 4:  Michael is the 1 that we send them to.
3:28  Speaker 2:  Staying busy now. That's for sure. It's great. So it's good stuff though. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to get something in particular,
3:36  Speaker 2:  your worth. How do you do that? You study, you study, right? I'm a student of your craft.
3:41  Speaker 4:  Know I'm looking at you, you're young. And when we, when I 1st met this guy,
3:46  Speaker 4:  he pulled up 6 different times in 6 different, like, new and,
3:51  Speaker 4:  like, fully done up and souped up cars that were not cheap. I'm like, how the hell do you have so many cars that are that expensive
3:59  Speaker 2:  and then in different Rolexes? So you've done some things right in your life. I have. Student of his craft, man. We just studied. Pretty good. Awesome. You didn't get investments. I love it. Huge. Problem solver.
4:10  Speaker 3:  Yep. I grew up poor too. So that also helped cause I had to fix everything myself and figure it out. Couldn't pay somebody to do it. So
4:18  Speaker 2:  that's awesome. 1 of the benefits of
4:21  Speaker 4:  growing up without money Yeah. And go 1 of 2 ways. Yeah. You can either figure it out or just be a victim your whole life. And so good for you. So
4:31  Speaker 2:  he is here
4:32  Speaker 2:  tonight.
4:33  Speaker 2:  We are dropping
4:35  Speaker 2:  our
4:36  Speaker 2:  Warrior coaching program.
4:39  Speaker 2:  And it's been a big deal, many times when I've thought about it and then we've just been busy as hell. But,
4:45  Speaker 2:  1 of the coolest things, at least for me, when we went up to Prague was not just being there and, you know, seeing such a different culture and whatnot, but for me, because I have 2 young kids, I don't get a lot of time to think of without a lot of screaming when I'm at home and whatnot. I had about a week to not have that. And even though I missed my family, I did a lot of thinking and praying and centering myself and Will stayed on and went to Italy and is getting hitched. But I came back and I was like, dude, let's just get after this. Let's do this. You know, it's really when that said, knew we just got to jump in. The timing was perfect. So we put time into it.
5:18  Speaker 2:  It's the call is
5:20  Speaker 2:  already passed when you were listening to this, but it's actually tonight at the time of recording. And,
5:26  Speaker 2:  we're going to just sit down and we're going to go over,
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5:31  Speaker 2:  you want to get in shape who doesn't, That's the obvious. I think we're going to try to help you get in shape. We have macro tracking macros. We have a gym workouts. We have hit training workouts. We have carnivore.
5:43  Speaker 2:  We get, we really, I think are going to appease pretty much anybody that's trying to get in shape, but I think more importantly than anything is we really want to cultivate just such a family
5:54  Speaker 2:  vibe and just a unit. You know, if you want to be a part of something bigger than you, which we all, I think it's in our DNA and we crave it, that's what we want to put out there. You know, we want to be around cool people. We let it be known. We're Christians here, you know, and I speak, you know, heavily and it doesn't mean that you have to be, but,
6:14  Speaker 2:  that's what we are. We try to be integral and we, have Will and I specifically have learned so much through just the steps of Alcoholics Anonymous on just being
6:25  Speaker 2:  men of integrity.
6:26  Speaker 2:  And,
6:27  Speaker 2:  those are things that we can pass on because you get passed on with dudes that have lived it and they, the torch was passed on from us. So we want to share a lot of different stuff. It's not just a
6:38  Speaker 2:  typical coaching program, man. We really want you guys to be part of the Warrior Maker family and we do have some big things coming. If you're interested in that, we're going to be dropping it tonight and it's going to go live.
6:49  Speaker 2:  So you'll be seeing this on Thursday, but you'll be able to find it. I would love for you to join because
6:56  Speaker 2:  it's bigger than what you think. You're going to be jumping into the Warrior Maker family. We're going to have a weekly Zoom call where it's going to be led by me for the most part, but sometimes we'll some, you know, mice, our other coach is going to be on there as well.
7:11  Speaker 2:  David, and, we're going to have sometimes
7:14  Speaker 2:  I'm going to have, Doctor. Scott on there. I'm going to have, you know, some fitness guys. We're going to do some cool stuff that I've been cultivating in my head for quite some time. Now it's really formed. I'm ready to put it down and kick some butt. Guys? Yeah. It's a team effort. Basically, think the good thing is people
7:31  Speaker 4:  you are joining, but we call it the warrior legion, but you're joining, you're getting support from everybody.
7:37  Speaker 4:  Dave is our primary
7:39  Speaker 4:  coach who will be working with those who choose that package, but really behind it, you get all of us, right? You get, you get sessions with Michael. If you're a woman, we have a woman for, for consults,
7:53  Speaker 4:  JD and I, and like you said, other guests will pop in and provide support to everybody in the program. So you'll
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8:08  Speaker 2:  Motivation too, but we're also going to talk about things that, I think most people at least would like to hear, you know, some type about cultivating different business ideas or branding. I love that type of stuff. How do you brand your company? Oh man, I could talk for that on days. So it's so much more than coaching. It's so much more than you getting in shape. That's the part we known.
8:28  Speaker 2:  Everybody wants to be in shape. I think that's going be the easier part. If you follow the protocol, it's a mathematical 3 certainty that you will get in shape because it's math, right? It's macros and it's calories and all that stuff for the most part. But
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8:52  Speaker 4:  country. 1 country concert dad. So I went to my fiance really, like, loves going to
8:58  Speaker 4:  country concerts
9:00  Speaker 4:  and I'm not
9:02  Speaker 4:  the biggest fan. I don't know. I'm just just not. Just don't like the crowds and I just I'm not like that type of person. Right? Whatever. Also, I don't drink.
9:10  Speaker 4:  So, you know, that that makes it like not as cool also. People but
9:15  Speaker 4:  we got dressed up and I got a cowboy hat for the show and wore it. And so I thought I'd show it off today here. Looks good on you.
9:23  Speaker 2:  Have my
9:25  Speaker 2:  Thursday for me when you were listening to this will be my 14 year, not wedding anniversary, but since I've been with my bride, which same thing to me, I mean,
9:33  Speaker 2:  married is married, but still we've been together for 14 years. Holy moly.
9:37  Speaker 2:  And, so that's cool. I'm gonna have, I'm going bring her in on Thursday and we're going to sit down and do podcasts on my podcast and
9:44  Speaker 2:  about love, man. So that's cool. Then we're going to Disneyland.
9:48  Speaker 2:  We're to stay at Disneyland Hotel on Friday night for my dudes and go to Disneyland with my buddy Justin Wetzel's in town with his bride, soon to be bride also. So cool stuff, man. Oh yeah. Then I'm going to Hawaii too in a month. We have a family vacation that we've done every, every year for the last 4 years, I think.
10:07  Speaker 4:  You go to Big Island, right? Big Island. So like my
10:10  Speaker 4:  Allie, who's my fiance, her mother has a timeshare in Kona.
10:15  Speaker 4:  And
10:16  Speaker 4:  we go there. We 1st did it with my mom, me, my mom, Allie, and, and river.
10:22  Speaker 4:  But yeah, so now it's kind of a tradition we're gonna do it. I'm not gonna stay, I'm gonna go for about 0.5 the trip and come back because,
10:28  Speaker 4:  well, we went, I went on a long vacation. I have a lot of work to do
10:32  Speaker 4:  and I can't really afford to be gone that long
10:35  Speaker 4:  again,
10:36  Speaker 4:  but it'll be fun. The 1st time that we went, my mother, my mother has like always taught me,
10:42  Speaker 4:  like, just do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting people. Like laws and rules don't matter as long as it's like makes sense in your brain, you know? So 1 time I was like, let me take care of River for like a night and you guys are the day. You guys actually like enjoy yourselves. So we did that. Okay. We come back. Right? I think I was walking around and we've caught my mom, my mom, or Ally's like, do not let him river. Do not jump off the rocks into the lazy river. Right? And I walked by, and I see my mom teaching him how to do a flip off of the rocks into the lazy river. That's so funny, dude.
11:16  Speaker 4:  That's amazing. She then we came back. She's like, mama, look. All the other kids are gonna have just fly safe. As long as he does it. Right. Right. He's going to do it. So anyway,
11:23  Speaker 2:  a punk rock baby. Yeah. I love it. I love her, man. Well, cool man. Well, let's get cracking. So this is a Q and a
11:31  Speaker 2:  episode, which I know everybody loves and real quickly before we read the 1st question, Will and I talked about, let's say it again.
11:37  Speaker 2:  We want to know if you want any type of uplift on this, or if you just kind of want us to leave the Q and A alone, we're always trying to improve and,
11:45  Speaker 2:  and, and,
11:46  Speaker 2:  know, do more and, and, just think, make it better. But, I've asked some people that came in that liked the podcast to the shop here and all 3 said, no, don't touch the Q and A. It's perfect. Don't touch it. So that's
11:58  Speaker 2:  the 1st 3 that we've asked. So if you have any
12:01  Speaker 2:  preference, let us know. We were thinking about making a few changes here, but if you like it how it is, us know. We will read the answers.
12:08  Speaker 4:  Alright. And then we also, there is the, 1 peptide that's a triple agonist that we all know that starts with R and we are not going to say that name folks. So we, if we say the word, if we say the letter R, I hope you're following along and know what we're talking about. Okay?
12:23  Speaker 4:  I will start us off. So, hey, guys. Question about peptide sensitivity.
12:28  Speaker 4:  I seem to be very hypersensitive.
12:30  Speaker 4:  I took CJC
12:31  Speaker 4:  slash Ipamorelin once, got flushed, heart raced, felt like I might pass out for a minute.
12:36  Speaker 4:  Took me forever to get to sleep. The next day, I was completely wiped out, came home from work early, and slept till 3PM. So I stopped using it after that. Good idea. This week, I started my Wolverine blend because no 1 has problems with BPC and TB, right? Nope. 15 minutes later while laying in my bed, my resting heart rate hit 115, just didn't feel great.
12:56  Speaker 4:  Had to get up and calm myself in the shower before I could go to bed. Any ideas what could make someone this sensitive or how to approach it safely? PS. I do just fine taking my R 2 times weekly.
13:08  Speaker 4:  Never had a problem with that. Gotcha.
13:11  Speaker 2:  Yeah. That's what
13:13  Speaker 2:  jumped out at me here was, yeah, you are probably sensitive, but you don't tell us your age. You don't tell us your weight. So that does help when you say that type of stuff,
13:23  Speaker 2:  you know, how much weight do you want to need to lose and things like that? It can help with, the response here,
13:29  Speaker 2:  but,
13:31  Speaker 2:  I, are you
13:33  Speaker 2:  exercising? If you're not, you need to be. That's probably a big part of it. I mean, you, you, every human needs to,
13:40  Speaker 2:  do some type of resistance training.
13:43  Speaker 2:  Now,
13:44  Speaker 2:  you don't have to go to the gym or you could do bands at the house. You could literally just do bands. And I mean, there's so many
13:51  Speaker 2:  things that you can do.
13:54  Speaker 2:  Obviously,
13:55  Speaker 2:  what's your diet like? What's your sleep like? Are you hormonally
13:59  Speaker 2:  optimized? These are things that would really help us with this question
14:04  Speaker 2:  because
14:05  Speaker 2:  now you CJC
14:07  Speaker 2:  is known to have,
14:09  Speaker 2:  if anybody that I know,
14:11  Speaker 2:  histamine responses of any peptide by a mile, I just know I literally personally know many,
14:17  Speaker 2:  many people that have had a histamine response. The thing that threw me for the loop was BPC and TB are pretty much the safest peptides you can take. And if you're having that, that
14:28  Speaker 2:  makes
14:30  Speaker 2:  me think it's maybe something not that. Maybe it's just,
14:34  Speaker 2:  you are somebody that gets
14:37  Speaker 2:  worked up easily.
14:38  Speaker 2:  So peptide wise, let's say Selank and Semax. Would start there. I would say try Selank and Semax just to start and see how you do with those.
14:47  Speaker 2:  But furthermore,
14:50  Speaker 2:  on sleep. You need to exercise.
14:53  Speaker 2:  Are you hormonally optimized? Let me ask you this. When is the last time you got your blood work done? Right? So these are questions that if we knew the answers to, we could really help you a bit more because they do really fit within the picture
15:07  Speaker 2:  of how to answer this.
15:09  Speaker 2:  You know?
15:11  Speaker 2:  I'm old school. You could probably know this by now, walking on the grass, grounding,
15:17  Speaker 2:  getting good sleep,
15:19  Speaker 2:  meditating,
15:20  Speaker 2:  you know, if you're someone that gets worked up,
15:23  Speaker 2:  these are things that can really help you. And I know they're not peptides, but they really work. I've used them before.
15:29  Speaker 2:  So maybe start there. And if you, if you do go get your blood work done, I do want to write back in and you tell us your age and weight and all that. It really will help the answer in my opinion. What do think, Wolf? Well, go ahead, Michael. I don't wanna take any of his, let him talk and then I'll add my- Well, it's an allergic reaction I think that he's having, you know? So you can kind of counter it with KPV.
15:51  Speaker 3:  You can add it in there, protocol
15:53  Speaker 3:  for the KPV,
15:56  Speaker 3:  then kind of see if he can, you know, start slow with the CJC IPA again.
16:03  Speaker 3:  I would think that would kind of see if that's would help with their real reaction
16:09  Speaker 3:  to that.
16:10  Speaker 3:  So that's kind of where I would start off at with that. Because I mean, if he's getting a reaction with the
16:18  Speaker 3:  Wolverine,
16:20  Speaker 3:  or something deeper.
16:22  Speaker 3:  Don't know any of that stuff. Yeah, exactly. So,
16:25  Speaker 3:  you know, we can always start with the gut
16:27  Speaker 3:  and the KPV.
16:29  Speaker 2:  I mean,
16:29  Speaker 3:  where is he sourcing it to? It's another question. How is he reconstituting?
16:33  Speaker 3:  It's another question.
16:35  Speaker 3:  Maybe he's doing too much. Who knows? So it's kind of,
16:40  Speaker 3:  you know, the more and more people I talk to clients,
16:44  Speaker 3:  that's the biggest thing at 1st is the recon. Yeah. Really? Yeah.
16:48  Speaker 2:  Making sure they miss the right number, like
16:51  Speaker 3:  measurements. Right. You know, like you don't want to be overdosing. Don't want be, right. People putting too little water in and then thinking they're doing some amount, but they're actually doing 4 times as much as they should be. Some people are like, oh, it's so little, so maybe it's gotta be more, but
17:06  Speaker 3:  So then the reaction's going be even worse.
17:10  Speaker 4:  Here's
17:11  Speaker 4:  what I think.
17:13  Speaker 4:  So
17:14  Speaker 4:  when you're both you're talking about blends, okay?
17:17  Speaker 4:  When peptide manufacturers make a blend, they have to use different ingredient, okay, that binds those 2 together.
17:24  Speaker 4:  There are there is a shoot. There was a lab locally here that 1 of the workers was so allergic to
17:31  Speaker 4:  to that ingredient, right, that it takes to bind those 2 things in. She couldn't go out to dinner.
17:37  Speaker 4:  I think she, like, passed out and they had the ER take her to the ER after the 2nd time in the lab, working with that. She couldn't go out to dinner with any of the coworkers after work. She couldn't enter the lab. She couldn't go out to the coworkers after work who even were in that lab with their lab coats and their lab coats touching their own skin because of that that was on there. So there is an end, lots of
17:59  Speaker 4:  there my guess is you are allergic to the that ingredient that binds,
18:04  Speaker 4:  that they need
18:05  Speaker 4:  to make blended peptides.
18:07  Speaker 4:  So,
18:08  Speaker 4:  I mean, I wouldn't even try the I wouldn't even attempt to do CGC if I'm around if I would again, though, just lost
18:15  Speaker 4:  cause, like- You get too rocked. But I would also probably my best advice would be to cut out all blends.
18:21  Speaker 4:  So your next thing to test is something that is just a single peptide. Like, try is the Reta? BPC. That's why so the Reta's doing or the R is doing good.
18:29  Speaker 2:  But,
18:31  Speaker 4:  yeah, I would definitely just try single,
18:34  Speaker 4:  single ones. And and
18:36  Speaker 4:  then Michael touched on it, like sourcing, where are getting it from? Like, definite let's let's check that.
18:42  Speaker 4:  If you get it from if you got it, go ask wherever you got it from. I would send it your message to their customer service team and tell them what's up. A good company will say,
18:53  Speaker 4:  No problem. Why don't we just send you those individually?
18:56  Speaker 4:  Alright? And they'll take the loss. So go ask your company that you bought it for that exact question. And if they tell you to kick rocks, then just DM us and we will tell you 3 good people to buy from. All
19:09  Speaker 2:  Good point. Great answer. That is a,
19:12  Speaker 4:  yeah, dude. That's, that's my thought. I think I'd stay away from those. Would drop the, but that's odd.
19:18  Speaker 4:  And then do everything else they said. Yeah. All
19:23  Speaker 4:  3 right, Ms. Michael, you're up. Hi,
19:26  Speaker 3:  JD and well, love the podcast. It's helped me understand peptide therapy much better. I am a 44 year old dad, PT, high rocks athlete, York,
19:36  Speaker 3:  UK.
19:36  Speaker 3:  My current stack is
19:38  Speaker 3:  R3
19:40  Speaker 3:  milligram or
19:42  Speaker 3:  R3
19:43  Speaker 3:  milligrams per week,
19:45  Speaker 3:  NAD
19:46  Speaker 3:  25 mg, 3 times a week, Moxie 1 mg, Monday through Friday, Cmax
19:52  Speaker 3:  500 micrograms daily,
19:55  Speaker 3:  Ovarian blend, 500 micrograms nightly.
19:58  Speaker 3:  I'm thinking about adding Tessa.
20:01  Speaker 3:  Based on my current stack and goals, body comp, performance, recovery, longevity,
20:06  Speaker 3:  do you think Tessa is worthwhile adding
20:08  Speaker 3:  or would you simplify anything 1 1st?
20:13  Speaker 4:  Anybody?
20:15  Speaker 2:  J. D. You want to go? Yeah. This is always good. I mean, you're 44
20:19  Speaker 2:  or so I would say go to straight up HGH myself because I love it. And, the more and more, we get deep into this world of peptides and get to know
20:29  Speaker 2:  people that have been in it for a long time, the more I love more HGH more, because they've been taking it for a long time too. So we've been right on the money. But, yeah, if if you don't wanna do HGH,
20:40  Speaker 2:  you can you can do the the Tesa Tesa Ipah. I know Will's gonna say that. At at the Push your limits. Train with precision. See the results. At Equinox,
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21:30  Speaker 2:  Tessa Ipamorelin.
21:31  Speaker 2:  But again, if you have access to actual HGH, I would just kind of cut to the chase. I think anyone 40
21:39  Speaker 2:  needs to pretty much be on TRT and,
21:42  Speaker 2:  HGH. Now that's, there's exceptions to the rule, not saying every single person, but most people with the food and just all the stuff that's going on in the world,
21:51  Speaker 2:  those 2 can be life changing,
21:54  Speaker 2:  right?
21:55  Speaker 2:  So I would do that, but if you only have access to the Tesa,
22:01  Speaker 2:  start there. You do not say if you are hormonally optimized,
22:07  Speaker 2:  and that is a big thing for us
22:10  Speaker 2:  because that does play a big role for everybody.
22:14  Speaker 2:  If you are 1 of those guys at 44, that your testosterone levels
22:18  Speaker 2:  and your hormones are online, good for you. It's rare.
22:21  Speaker 2:  It's just about 44 for sure. So,
22:24  Speaker 2:  hopefully you are, have gotten your blood work done and you are hormonally optimized.
22:30  Speaker 2:  If you are adding HGH
22:33  Speaker 2:  would be the answer or Tesa, 2nd
22:36  Speaker 2:  guess or 2nd answer.
22:38  Speaker 2:  Go for Yeah.
22:39  Speaker 4:  So yes, I would, like he just said, I think Tesla Ipamorelin
22:44  Speaker 4:  is just gonna work better.
22:46  Speaker 4:  Having those 2, it's just a synergistic effect, right? So it'll work better. Dude, Tesla's awesome. So the fact that you're a high rocks athlete, we had somebody ask us this
22:55  Speaker 4:  so think of a high rocks as basically kind of CrossFit. So those are the
22:59  Speaker 4:  doing sled pulls, sled pushes, like wall balls,
23:03  Speaker 4:  a whole bunch of stuff that it sounds pretty damn intense. So you need like maximum
23:08  Speaker 4:  recovery,
23:09  Speaker 4:  maximum muscle
23:11  Speaker 4:  keeping. Right? So you don't wanna go,
23:15  Speaker 4:  catabolic,
23:16  Speaker 4:  which a growth hormone
23:19  Speaker 4:  will do. I also that at 44, I think you're a good prime candidate for low dosage.
23:25  Speaker 4:  Think that that's, that is just, it's just more effective than the secretagogues will be. Okay. It's the real, it's the real stuff you just give it to. Okay. At 44,
23:37  Speaker 4:  man, try that. That'll really help your performance.
23:41  Speaker 4:  You know, at 44 and you are active, Glutathione is a great general health. And while you're at the NAD, you might as well start taking glutathione also. Do that. As just general internal internal organs. Everybody should be taking them. But I think, yeah, dude, I think you cannot go the the test, can't be bad. It will do nothing but hell. Yeah.
24:01  Speaker 4:  But does it Ipah would be the better suggestion?
24:05  Speaker 4:  Sure your sleep and, and ex I mean, your exercise is probably good. Make sure you're fueling your body enough because
24:10  Speaker 4:  you are burning calories and you're beating your body up. Like a Wolverine, you already take it. Great. Killer. Anything to add?
24:18  Speaker 3:  0 I would probably just bump up the Wolverine, the 1 mg daily. It's pretty low at 500 micrograms daily. Especially if you're working out, you need that extra muscle recovery. I wouldn't even take so less. That's true. Yeah. 1 mg, maybe even 2 on a hard workday.
24:34  Speaker 4:  So that's my 2 sides. For sure. I agree. 500 micrograms of each of BPC and of TB is about the lowest possible, like,
24:43  Speaker 2:  dose you're getting anything out of. And so you're working hard. I would I would also increase it. Type stuff. You're ripped and tear, especially at 44. We get it, man. Uh-huh. So you need more good stuff. Alright. Do that. Alright. Not all Janoschick COAs are publicly posted.
24:58  Speaker 2:  How to verify them? How to spot a counterfeit COA from Januschick.
25:02  Speaker 2:  What is the best package delivery serviced,
25:05  Speaker 2:  USA to Prague, which is a great question because we are going to do a breakdown of the COA.
25:10  Speaker 2:  But we will be doing that soon, so just so you know, but this is a real question. This is Sure. So this is easy. Did like so,
25:16  Speaker 4:  not all Janoschicks are publicly posted. I think you mean that on Janoschick's site, they have a spot where they post,
25:23  Speaker 4:  people's COA. So here's what you may or may not know if you dig into it a bit. But General Street charges you about, I think it was like a $150
25:31  Speaker 4:  every
25:33  Speaker 4:  month, and it might be more. It might be more like $300 a month. So if you send a test in, cool, you can opt to also
25:39  Speaker 4:  pay them $300 a month to have your test posted.
25:44  Speaker 4:  So
25:45  Speaker 4:  only ones that are publicly posted on Janoschik are the people who pay them to do that.
25:52  Speaker 4:  I've never
25:53  Speaker 4:  thought that that was worthwhile.
25:55  Speaker 4:  Now here's how do you spot a, how do you spot a counterfeit? Well, this one's very easy. At the bottom of every Janosik test and the bottom of every test, hopefully,
26:04  Speaker 4:  they have a unique code. Okay? So when you're looking at someone Janosik test online, let's say, if there's no code on it because they photoshopped it and they just like, they cropped their
26:15  Speaker 4:  image,
26:16  Speaker 4:  above where the code should be, red flag. But even just because you see a code, I wouldn't don't necessarily just trust it, but basically that is for you to go take that 5 digit code
26:26  Speaker 4:  and go to Januszepatide's website. It's right there where you can verify a test. So you enter that code, push enter, bam, that test
26:35  Speaker 4:  exactly
26:35  Speaker 4:  the way that it is posted should show up on Genosix site.
26:39  Speaker 4:  If it does not show up or those results are not found, then you have a counterfeit test that you're looking at. I don't know. K. So
26:46  Speaker 4:  that will always just because it's not posted publicly, they're available publicly on Genosix site if you just,
26:53  Speaker 4:  if you just type that in. The best package delivery service, when you place an order with Janoschik,
26:59  Speaker 4:  they give you a suggestion
27:01  Speaker 4:  of what mail service to use,
27:04  Speaker 4:  and I believe it was like it's like $60,
27:08  Speaker 4:  from The US to Prague. It's about how much you yeah. I think they suggest you use Pirate Ship,
27:15  Speaker 4:  which is just a it's a shipping service.
27:17  Speaker 4:  Okay? So,
27:19  Speaker 4:  yeah, there's that most every single every CLA, every every lab should have a have that verification code for you to go back to the website and verify it. That's the whole point of having 0.333 party test done. You need to be able to verify it. Right? Or else these are all just basically worthless.
27:34  Speaker 4:  So yeah, make sure you can go back to somebody's site that isn't the manufacturer.
27:39  Speaker 4:  Of the peptide.
27:40  Speaker 4:  Right. And they don't do their own, like, just straight in house testing because
27:45  Speaker 4:  it's like calling my grandmother for a, for a recommendation of me.
27:50  Speaker 4:  Okay. All right. Next. I am a 57 year old male currently on TRT. My doctor said I was in range, although I was 9
27:59  Speaker 4:  in moles. This
28:01  Speaker 4:  does then drop to 60
28:04  Speaker 4:  or 6. Excuse me. 6.
28:07  Speaker 4:  I have now have 37
28:08  Speaker 4:  nanomoles
28:09  Speaker 4:  tests and 0.98
28:11  Speaker 4:  free tests, but estrogen is very high with no side effect. Should I take an AI? Also, I've lost 64 pounds and I'm currently damn weighed 2 59.
28:22  Speaker 4:  I need to lose some more weight. 5 times 90 minute gym workouts a week,
28:27  Speaker 4:  and protein around 190 grams per day
28:30  Speaker 4:  and
28:31  Speaker 4:  2,200
28:32  Speaker 4:  calories a day. Any recommendations on 12 and 0.5 migs of Tirz, but effects
28:38  Speaker 4:  feels minimal?
28:40  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So did the math. I didn't know what that was.
28:45  Speaker 2:  I had to research it.
28:47  Speaker 2:  The, so 37
28:49  Speaker 2:  nanograms
28:50  Speaker 4:  and animals,
28:51  Speaker 2:  is a 10 67 nanograms per deciliter. So for us Americans, we go off nanograms per deciliter and that's 10 67. So that's great. That is really good. Total testosterone
29:02  Speaker 2:  0.9
29:03  Speaker 2:  animals
29:04  Speaker 2:  is 28.3
29:06  Speaker 2:  nanograms per deciliter on free test. Those numbers are good. You
29:10  Speaker 2:  say
29:11  Speaker 2:  your estrogen is high. You didn't tell us what that is. And that is obviously subjective,
29:16  Speaker 2:  But,
29:18  Speaker 2:  but
29:19  Speaker 2:  I think even Will and I will both agree. We are, our AI opinions have changed over the years and it's
29:27  Speaker 2:  pretty rare if you're running testosterone
29:29  Speaker 2:  replacement numbers that you're going to need an AI.
29:33  Speaker 2:  So I'm going to say probably that you don't,
29:37  Speaker 2:  but you don't say what your estrogen level is.
29:42  Speaker 2:  You say that you are,
29:44  Speaker 2:  where is it at 2 59
29:46  Speaker 2:  pounds and you're taking 190
29:49  Speaker 2:  grams
29:50  Speaker 2:  of protein. You definitely need to increase that. I mean, I know for some people that's difficult, but the easiest
29:57  Speaker 2:  way to,
30:00  Speaker 2:  for a man to start losing weight, you gotta
30:03  Speaker 2:  lift weights, you gotta, you know, you gotta lift weights, you gotta eat enough protein. All meals should be based around protein. And I know that's difficult sometimes,
30:12  Speaker 2:  but it's really easy math to just get 1 g of protein per body weight. And you're not doing enough of that
30:19  Speaker 2:  on the Tirzepatide.
30:22  Speaker 2:  12.5
30:23  Speaker 2:  mgs is a lot. I'd be really curious to know how long you've been, well, look, he's lost
30:28  Speaker 4:  65
30:29  Speaker 2:  pounds, 65
30:31  Speaker 2:  pounds. Probably been on it for a little while. Would imagine, especially if you're not feeling it anymore, you're probably been on it for a while.
30:38  Speaker 2:  You can definitely go to the better of the 3 and do the R
30:43  Speaker 2:  You know what I mean? Do the R.
30:45  Speaker 2:  What would you say in regards to the,
30:48  Speaker 2:  the dosage?
30:49  Speaker 2:  It's hard to say. We don't know a whole lot about you. You know, once, if we ever got on the phone with you, we could obviously ask you questions that would help us answer this.
30:57  Speaker 2:  Off the cuff for me, I would probably break it in 0.5 and start that way by 6 Migs
31:04  Speaker 2:  to Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
31:07  Speaker 2:  Now I want to just be clear again, if you're new to the show,
31:12  Speaker 2:  if you start with Tirzepatide,
31:14  Speaker 2:  a lot of people think that Retrutide,
31:16  Speaker 2:  raw art is not work.
31:19  Speaker 2:  But it does
31:20  Speaker 2:  much better. It just, you get hungry. You're supposed to get hungry.
31:24  Speaker 2:  That's God gave us that for a reason.
31:27  Speaker 2:  So they
31:28  Speaker 2:  think it's not working because they're actually getting hungry again. You want that? What happens is very,
31:34  Speaker 2:  beauty of it is you start eating and you get full really quick. I
31:38  Speaker 2:  remember when I 1st started taking it, I was amazed by it. I mean, I used to go home and just destroy
31:44  Speaker 2:  a huge rib eye and like 6 eggs. When I started it, I was like eating 0.5 the rib eye and like, you know, it was crazy. So yeah, you want to switch to that and Alpha-5s, like I said, 6 bigs probably is where I would start.
31:58  Speaker 2:  But again,
31:59  Speaker 2:  I always want to circle back around to,
32:02  Speaker 2:  you
32:03  Speaker 2:  could be over training, man, 5 days, a 105 days a week at a 100, an hour and 0.5,
32:10  Speaker 2:  57,
32:11  Speaker 2:  like I'm telling you, man, like what I've been reading, because I've, I've spoke about it a lot lately. I've, I lost my sweet spot and I've been studying the shit out of it because I had it for a long time.
32:21  Speaker 2:  And 1 of the things is overtraining is a real thing. It really is. You need to make sure you get your rest. We're not 27 anymore. You're 57. I'm 49. I was, I talk about all the time. I hit 49 and I like ran into a wall and
32:35  Speaker 2:  I'm out of my sweet spot. And like my gut got all jacked up and like, it's just, I've been trying to find it. That's 1 of the things that I've been coming up with is 1, I'm walking.
32:46  Speaker 2:  I'm not doing any car, I'm walking and I feel great. So maybe add that in and maybe take out a day, maybe, maybe 1 more rest day and all you need is an hour. You don't need an hour and 0.5. That's a long time for a 57 year old. Those are some of the basics, man. I think they will help you a lot.
33:02  Speaker 3:  Do got? Do it up. I would start off with his TRT.
33:07  Speaker 3:  How many times he's doing it a week? If that's once a week,
33:11  Speaker 3:  maybe twice a week, 3 times a week sub Q because that can probably help stabilize his testosterone.
33:16  Speaker 3:  Maybe even like keep the estrogen a little bit lower
33:19  Speaker 3:  with that.
33:21  Speaker 2:  Absolutely.
33:22  Speaker 3:  With the Tirzepatide,
33:24  Speaker 3:  I would probably switch over to the R
33:28  Speaker 3:  split. I like to do 2 to 1 when you do that.
33:32  Speaker 3:  If you don't want to switch over,
33:34  Speaker 3:  you can always add 5 Amino
33:36  Speaker 3:  to that. So
33:38  Speaker 3:  that would kind of like
33:39  Speaker 3:  with what I've noticed with a lot of people when they're on a GLP for a long time, their metabolic system tends to slow down or it's not optimized. So the 5 Amino, by adding that in there and even bumping up your calories a little bit more will kind of restart that. So keep you out of that plateau.
33:58  Speaker 3:  Yep. So
33:59  Speaker 3:  that's what I would recommend.
34:02  Speaker 4:  And that makes sense because basically like guys, are, our metabolism
34:05  Speaker 4:  is tied to the amount of food that we take in. Okay? Because, like, this is how we made it through winters when we were, like, lesser evolved.
34:13  Speaker 4:  Okay? So our bodies, based on how much food we get we take in, our metabolisms will then kind of speed up to that basic number. They also speed up based on how much amount of muscle we have or
34:25  Speaker 4:  our basal metabolic rate, which is really based on how much muscle you have. So
34:29  Speaker 4:  therefore, when a person for a prolonged amount of time is basically on a crash diet,
34:34  Speaker 4:  Right? And and tirzepatide allows that to allows the person to do that sustainably.
34:40  Speaker 4:  Your metabolism then slows
34:42  Speaker 4:  down because you ain't eating much. Now you're eating 2,200 calories. Okay. That's okay. It's not like 500 at least.
34:49  Speaker 4:  But,
34:50  Speaker 4:  yeah, I would think of timing of your food, right, is not all about calories. Right? It is, I think, it is all about macronutrients.
34:57  Speaker 4:  Right? There's a huge difference. Right? I could eat the same amount of calories in steak and versus Twinkies,
35:03  Speaker 4:  and there's gonna be a big difference. There's also gonna be a big difference if I could eat the same amount of macros
35:09  Speaker 4:  in 1 situation and then in another, but basically on how I time those meals and those nutrients
35:16  Speaker 4:  will make a huge difference.
35:19  Speaker 4:  The estrogen, like, no doubt, I don't care. I mean, we don't know
35:22  Speaker 4:  what your dose is, but that's not important. What
35:26  Speaker 4:  your reading comes back to is 10 67.
35:29  Speaker 4:  Okay? That's pretty high. My guess is, unless maybe you have good natural testosterone and you're taking a low TRT dose or you're taking a high TRT dose. But regardless, that's why your estrogen is elevated because your testosterone, that's pretty high. I mean, most of these tests max out at like 1,400
35:47  Speaker 4:  nanograms per deciliter. So
35:49  Speaker 4:  at 1000, I mean, I do we do say, hey. An average male, the range should be, like, 1,200
35:58  Speaker 4:  to 200. So 1,200 being, like, top of puberty,
36:02  Speaker 4:  highest natural test, 18 years old, 17 years old. And
36:06  Speaker 4:  you're at 1,000. I'm not mad at you for the 1,067,
36:09  Speaker 4:  but that maybe explains why the estrogen is high. But
36:13  Speaker 4:  if you're not getting any symptoms and those symptoms are
36:16  Speaker 4:  acne, so if you're getting dotted out at all, right, maybe not getting big old zits, but if you're starting to see like little bits of acne everywhere, a little bit more oily, that's an estrogen symptom.
36:26  Speaker 4:  Water retention
36:27  Speaker 4:  anywhere, right, just looking a little bit more bloated, your your sub Q layer holding water, any nipple sensitivity,
36:35  Speaker 4:  those are the big 3 symptoms.
36:38  Speaker 4:  If you're not having any of those, but the blood test says your your estrogen is high, I wouldn't take an estrogen blocker. Right?
36:44  Speaker 4:  Just like,
36:45  Speaker 4:  I don't know. I believe in just measuring
36:48  Speaker 4:  how you're doing based on how you're feeling.
36:52  Speaker 4:  Don't take an estrogen blocker if you don't need it.
36:56  Speaker 4:  But
36:57  Speaker 4:  yeah, so there's that. Think everything else that you said, yeah, dude, 90 minutes is too long. You don't need it. Go hard, go hard for shoot 40 minutes. Yeah.
37:05  Speaker 2:  It changes you the way that you eat and the way that you train as we get older, it really radically changes. We should not be lifting heavy, heavy shit like
37:14  Speaker 4:  we did when we were 27. You're getting hurt, man. Me too. Yes. I'm getting old. Because we did on Thursday. Yes. But be careful of reps. So I have found it and they've done the most 3 recent scientific studies have said, okay, they've compared, Hey, what's worse for a person? Okay.
37:30  Speaker 4:  High weight,
37:31  Speaker 4:  low reps
37:32  Speaker 4:  for a lifetime,
37:34  Speaker 4:  right? Or
37:35  Speaker 4:  low weight and high reps for a lifetime. And the newest research tells us that the high reps, what matters is
37:43  Speaker 4:  how many times that joint moves,
37:45  Speaker 4:  okay, not how loaded that joint is, okay? So
37:50  Speaker 4:  unless you I mean, if unless I put 1000 pounds in my hand and I tear my elbow off, like that's bad folks. Right? But as long as you do heavy weight that you can control,
37:59  Speaker 4:  the less reps is gonna be better longevity wise. Yeah.
38:03  Speaker 4:  Than just how many times that so it's all about how many times that joint has to move in a lifetime. And I noticed that the higher reps end up wearing me down and hurting me more over time than, yeah, than a heavy load. But the heavy load just needs to be controllable. Heavy load. Like be
38:18  Speaker 2:  conscious of how you lift and really focus as Arnold used to say on what muscles are training. Like we all get in there and do the same shit every day. Like you forget that like you gotta
38:28  Speaker 2:  watch, you know what I mean? It's very important. Like at our age, I say our age, you know, you're older than you, but again, like I'm not acute injuries. Don't account for this. 1 I'm not, don't go into the The
38:38  Speaker 3:  6 to 8 range, maybe the 4 to 6 range.
38:42  Speaker 3:  Yeah. Yeah. I
38:44  Speaker 2:  really want to sit on this 1 more time because I think it's important that especially if you, when you're 57,
38:50  Speaker 2:  the macros
38:51  Speaker 2:  and when you eat your fat and your protein and your carbs are
38:57  Speaker 2:  extremely important for a 57 year old. Like, again, I would really, I don't care what type of diet you're on. There's many that work. I'm not 1 size, 1 shoe size fits all type of guy. Right? Whatever works for you. But I'm going to tell you eat your carbs before and after the gym and at nighttime, don't eat carbs, man. You don't want carbs. You are not 27 man. Those carbs are going to source fat. You definitely want to really pay attention to when you eat carbs. Carbs are not bad
39:23  Speaker 4:  as long as you eat them at the right time. Yep. And fruit is a carb folks. Fruit is just a sugar.
39:28  Speaker 4:  Fruit at night is like not a good idea. Are you lifting your legs?
39:34  Speaker 4:  You know, we got people that live 5 times a week who don't lift their legs, like your legs, legs, legs, legs, legs, folks. That's your biggest muscle in your body. That's the biggest calorie burner that you have.
39:44  Speaker 4:  If
39:45  Speaker 4:  anything, if you're gonna lift anything, you will burn the most amount of fat
39:49  Speaker 4:  by lifting your legs. So don't
39:52  Speaker 4:  cheat yourself on that.
39:54  Speaker 4:  Lift your legs and your back twice as much as anything else. Anyway,
39:58  Speaker 4:  that's my 0.0, yeah. Next. Next.
40:01  Speaker 3:  43 year old male, 2 23
40:04  Speaker 3:  pounds. I'm running 10 mg,
40:06  Speaker 3:  oral SLU-three
40:07  Speaker 3:  3250
40:09  Speaker 3:  mill milligrams of 5 amino 1 MQ injectable
40:13  Speaker 3:  L carnitine,
40:14  Speaker 3:  but my fat loss is completely masked by my water retention. Because
40:19  Speaker 3:  evening
40:20  Speaker 3:  work schedule has my cortisol
40:24  Speaker 3:  through the roof and my sleep wrecked.
40:27  Speaker 3:  I need a tool to break the cortisol loop and force deep sleep, but DSIP
40:33  Speaker 3:  did absolutely 0 for me. I won't touch any chemicals.
40:37  Speaker 3:  For
40:38  Speaker 3:  a guy whose stress levels are stalling and perfectly dialed diet and had and heavy metabolic stack,
40:46  Speaker 3:  what is the best non DSIP peptide protocol to drop the cortisol and flush the water? Good question. All right.
40:54  Speaker 2:  I'll take it. Yeah, go ahead. So again, I've been through this. I lived through it. It's
40:59  Speaker 2:  cortisol is a son of a bitch. Dealt with it and it was rough.
41:04  Speaker 2:  Man, I had this little ball in the bottom of my stomach
41:07  Speaker 2:  and I could not get rid of it. Researching and researching, you know, started reading about cortisol and it's a, it's a son of a bitch. It literally can kill you. So you gotta fix your sleep. I know that's the obvious, but let me say it out loud. Now I've
41:21  Speaker 2:  said this numerous times.
41:23  Speaker 2:  Have found the answer, at least for me on how to sleep. I sleep a good 6 to 8 hours every night now, and I was sleeping I was sleeping, like, maybe Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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42:15  Speaker 2:  3.
42:16  Speaker 2:  So I know I know well, brother. I'm with you. Here's and this was some listener sent this to me. I think it was on my Instagram.
42:23  Speaker 2:  And, oh my gosh, almost from the 1st night, I slept like a baby. It was awesome.
42:29  Speaker 2:  Glycine,
42:29  Speaker 2:  ashwagandha,
42:30  Speaker 2:  magnesium glycate,
42:34  Speaker 2:  melatonin,
42:35  Speaker 2:  slow release tablets.
42:37  Speaker 2:  Those together should really help you sleep, man. They worked for me. I mean, they radically worked for me. I still take them every night.
42:45  Speaker 2:  If you want some
42:46  Speaker 2:  peptide advice, I didn't do the best with DSIP either. There's people I know that love it. So it's kind of each his own, but a Selank and Semax might be good for you because it's going to calm you down a little bit, calm down the brain. Once you're not sleeping,
43:00  Speaker 2:  it's like a mind F dude. You're not sleeping because you're like, no, you need sleep really bad. So then you're thinking about you not sleeping. And then it's just like, dude,
43:09  Speaker 2:  you know what I mean? So if you do that, cause some
43:13  Speaker 2:  of the things
43:15  Speaker 2:  that are going to increase your cortisol are going to be lack of sleep, obviously
43:19  Speaker 2:  overtraining.
43:20  Speaker 2:  As we was talking about the last gentleman that increases,
43:23  Speaker 2:  If you're restricting calories too much where people don't realize that if you're not eating enough, you will increase your cortisol. It'll do it'll be
43:31  Speaker 2:  counterproductive
43:32  Speaker 2:  because you hold fat.
43:34  Speaker 2:  So
43:35  Speaker 2:  that's true.
43:36  Speaker 2:  And then caffeine, believe it or not caffeine,
43:39  Speaker 2:  you know, or, or, or, cortisol to the spike in the morning. 1 of the things that I did was, I don't know what your sleep schedule is like, is I don't drink coffee for the 1st hour. I go downstairs and I used to hit coffee and then wait 10 minutes and have a cup of coffee and then do my prayers and whatnot. I don't do that. I don't have coffee for an hour.
43:56  Speaker 2:  What I do is hydrate like crazy. I go downstairs and I actually have a big box of Celtic salt and I
44:03  Speaker 2:  lick it and put it on my tongue. Absorbs into your tongue, 3 big doses of salt and a big glass of water, man. You're going to be hydrated, dude. We are dehydrated when we sleep.
44:15  Speaker 2:  And those are little tricks that have worked for me,
44:18  Speaker 2:  I think you follow them that will work for you. Then again, lastly,
44:23  Speaker 2:  again,
44:24  Speaker 2:  walking,
44:26  Speaker 2:  it's amazing.
44:27  Speaker 2:  Walking is amazing. I've loved it. Like I never, I haven't walked in a long time. Like I, after I eat, I walk and it's been awesome. I just, I don't know. I've enjoyed it. I either like either listen to a podcast,
44:38  Speaker 2:  pray, get in the center. Like it works for me. I just have about 25 to 30 minutes where I just
44:45  Speaker 2:  am with me,
44:47  Speaker 2:  Grounding, meditating.
44:49  Speaker 2:  And if
44:50  Speaker 2:  you're feeling really,
44:52  Speaker 2:  can't sleep, Wim Hof works really well. Breathing techniques. I don't know if you've ever heard of Wim Hof, but
44:59  Speaker 2:  so many people know about it because it works really well. You can start to do breathing techniques and just the focusing on the breathing techniques. You'll, you'll definitely calm your head and I bet you'll sleep better. That's what I got. 0
45:10  Speaker 4:  Michael will do that. What you got?
45:13  Speaker 3:  Just curious on when he takes these loops,
45:16  Speaker 3:  the injectable,
45:17  Speaker 3:  the 5 amino, I mean, L quarantine.
45:19  Speaker 3:  Yep. Depending if he's working on the evening or in the morning. Yeah. Can definitely affect his sleep. So
45:26  Speaker 3:  that's 1 thing.
45:29  Speaker 3:  I
45:31  Speaker 3:  probably I really I sleep really, really well on, like, a Tesa Ipam blend. Mhmm. At night? Yeah. I take it before bed, fasted, and I sleep like a baby.
45:42  Speaker 3:  And that's the only thing that's kind of like helped me sleep. So
45:46  Speaker 3:  that can be a good,
45:48  Speaker 3:  good thing because he's trying to lose weight. So that's another thing, but you know, you gotta be careful too with the Tesla on the dosing. Some people don't sleep. Some people that Mason does the opposite. Yeah.
45:59  Speaker 2:  Because I had dealt with this, you know, so I can give you my firsthand experience. I will not take any peptides at night anymore. I used to have a morning dose and then at night and like, because I have my sleeping and I feel like 1000000 bucks these days,
46:12  Speaker 2:  won't take anything at night of like anything with hepatitis. I don't know if that was it. I don't know what the true culprit was, but I'm not, I just, it's worked for me what I'm doing, the glycine and the Ashwagandha and the magnesium alone,
46:26  Speaker 2:  I won't mess it up at night. I got it unlocked. So try that dude, seriously.
46:29  Speaker 4:  Yeah. I are you ready for me? I won't ask. So I think so 1st
46:35  Speaker 4:  of all, I guess I would like to kind of argue the premise that your cortisol is purely because of your sleep.
46:43  Speaker 4:  And I don't know you and I would ask you a whole bunch of questions, right, to get to know you better and to, like, see
46:50  Speaker 4:  to, you know, maybe whittle this thing down.
46:54  Speaker 4:  But,
46:55  Speaker 4:  yeah,
46:56  Speaker 4:  just and and and who's to say the water retention is just because of the cortisol.
47:01  Speaker 4:  Right?
47:02  Speaker 4:  I think there's a lot more that needs to go into it. Right? Not
47:06  Speaker 4:  there's a whole lot of other things that can create cortisol. There's a whole lot of other things that can create water retention also.
47:12  Speaker 4:  And that means but but the only thing here's the evidence that we got and the question is about sleep. So,
47:18  Speaker 4:  Epitalon.
47:19  Speaker 4:  So Epitalon
47:21  Speaker 4:  is really is 1 of those things that, you know, you may you may not notice it, but it's worth a shot.
47:26  Speaker 4:  That helps balance out a person's circadian rhythm.
47:30  Speaker 4:  There are a whole bunch of sleep techniques that you can do to make sure that you get into the rhythm. Right? It's all about, like, a good sleep rhythm and being consistent with that. Right? Like, bright light in the morning. That's natural sunlight that gets your butt drop. Right? You're going to sleep at the same time. Do not work out late at night. Right? That will stimulate your system. You'll have a tough time going to sleep. I think the GHGH
47:53  Speaker 4:  before bed,
47:55  Speaker 4:  small dose, even the secretagogues.
47:57  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Cool. That's 1 option.
47:59  Speaker 4:  I haven't really heard of HGH backfiring on people like Tesamorelin.
48:02  Speaker 4:  So Me neither. I know we take take in the morning, but like I'm also not opposed to like, shoot,
48:08  Speaker 4:  you know, 2 IUs and 2 IUs or 1 NYU and 1 IU,
48:12  Speaker 4:  at night. Selank.
48:15  Speaker 4:  Selank is the 1 that is a nootropic and geolytic and is supposed to help your brain, and it does help your brain calm down a little bit.
48:24  Speaker 4:  Don't take C Max, take Selank. C Max will do the opposite and caffeine. You know, just watch your caffeine during the, you know, when you're taking, when you're drinking caffeine, cut that off, dude. Like you might just need to cut it off after noon. I don't know.
48:41  Speaker 4:  Sleep apnea is a huge 1 that most, and a lot of times if you have sleep apnea, you don't know about it
48:46  Speaker 4:  because you only know about it if your wife tells you like, dude, you wake up,
48:50  Speaker 4:  you snore like crazy and you wake yourself up all the time.
48:55  Speaker 4:  So those,
48:57  Speaker 4:  so peptides,
48:58  Speaker 4:  there's my answer. It's not, you know, DSIP is not, some people are like, it's amazing. And some people that didn't do anything to you.
49:05  Speaker 4:  I would,
49:07  Speaker 4:  yeah, I would, I would, I don't know, see somebody once you like
49:12  Speaker 4:  call us and ask us and we can like
49:15  Speaker 4:  1 on 1 right in our, in our program or consultations, right? Then we can go a lot deeper with you, But I would find somebody else to really analyze your entire life and
49:25  Speaker 4:  see if we can find a different
49:27  Speaker 4:  root of the problem, fix the problem. Because it is crazy
49:31  Speaker 4:  how much
49:32  Speaker 4:  you will not see anything physically change if you're not sleeping right. 100%. I remember when I came down here for the 1st time,
49:40  Speaker 4:  and I went to I came down here for treatment and
49:43  Speaker 4:  I was already I was I did that for 2 months because I know my brain needs 2 months of, like, isolated,
49:49  Speaker 4:  like, no touching of of substances to just grow back. But the 2nd month so I was already past my AQD target. It was so hot here, and I was working out all the time. I remember there was a stretch of, like, 4 or 5 days. I didn't barely slept at all because it was so hot. I'd, like, take, like, cold bathtubs. I'm coming from Seattle. It's really hot here. And I was working out like crazy and like nothing was happening. And usually my body just flies, gets better.
50:14  Speaker 4:  Grows muscle, burns fat really, really fast. And I was really amazed like, damn, nothing is working because I'm not sleeping.
50:21  Speaker 4:  So,
50:22  Speaker 4:  that's, you know, and yes, you're right, right? The general hypothesis
50:25  Speaker 4:  is because of cortisol. Right? But,
50:28  Speaker 4:  it's worth in the 2nd look. That's all I got.
50:31  Speaker 4:  So who's up, Mike? No. Who was up? Who read last?
50:35  Speaker 2:  You did? Okay.
50:37  Speaker 2:  I'm up.
50:41  Speaker 2:  Hello, JD and Will. 1st and foremost, thank you for being such an inspiration and wealth of knowledge.
50:47  Speaker 2:  Your strength, knowledge, and perseverance is nothing but admirable.
50:51  Speaker 2:  I'm a 53 year old female. I started HRT 1 year ago,
50:56  Speaker 2:  currently on 12
50:58  Speaker 2:  test,
50:59  Speaker 2:  100 mg of progesterone and 0.25 estradiol patch.
51:03  Speaker 2:  I recently started CLO NAD and Thymosin.
51:07  Speaker 2:  I don't go to the gym, but I do stretch every morning, lift a little weights, go outside, go out, step on the grass and soak in the sun. That a girl.
51:17  Speaker 2:  I don't like to take prescription drugs, good for you or
51:20  Speaker 2:  are over the counter. I'm looking to live a long, healthy life. I would like to know what would help with maintaining muscle mass and healthy bones.
51:29  Speaker 2:  A tiny backstory in 2009 had a total, gastric
51:34  Speaker 2:  gastrectomy,
51:35  Speaker 2:  gastrectomy,
51:36  Speaker 2:  and double mastectomy.
51:37  Speaker 2:  I have a genetic mutation
51:40  Speaker 2:  called CDH-one,
51:41  Speaker 2:  which is hereditary diffused gastric cancer.
51:45  Speaker 2:  Oh. 0, that sounds brutal.
51:48  Speaker 4:  I've got I'm sorry. Like, now here's my go to answer normally for people who want to preserve muscle,
51:55  Speaker 4:  and not have any muscle wasting is HGH or any secretagogue. But like you, you
52:02  Speaker 4:  can't, you should not be taking that. Right? If you have a history of cancer and,
52:06  Speaker 4:  I'm sorry, 1st of all, like the gastrectomy is total.
52:11  Speaker 4:  Like, they removed your stomach and then removed both breasts. That's tough.
52:19  Speaker 4:  I don't know. Here's the thing. Lift weights. You need to stimulate your muscles. So I know you say you do. Then, but
52:25  Speaker 4:  really your goal needs to be like every single week,
52:28  Speaker 4:  every muscle on your body gets worked out with bands, whatever at home to soreness. Okay? It takes about 2 weeks for a muscle to atrophy. So if you don't do anything, let's call it from a bicep for a couple weeks, it just starts declining.
52:43  Speaker 4:  Alright? It starts burning off. Now, you can burn it off a whole lot faster too if you want to go on marathon runs only.
52:49  Speaker 4:  Your body will just, well,
52:52  Speaker 4:  you'll go catabolic, your body will cannibalize
52:55  Speaker 4:  your muscle.
52:56  Speaker 4:  So,
52:57  Speaker 4:  you know, my best suggestion
52:59  Speaker 4:  is like without
53:00  Speaker 4:  the tool of an HGH peptide
53:03  Speaker 4:  or HGH itself or
53:06  Speaker 4:  anything related to that,
53:08  Speaker 4:  eat protein,
53:09  Speaker 4:  make sure that you are eating a good amount of protein.
53:12  Speaker 4:  Keep doing your testosterone patch. I don't know, you know, 12 Migs a week for a woman injectable is too much,
53:19  Speaker 4:  but that's not injectable. Think she said it's a patch. No. Oh, the extra dial patch. So yeah, it did. I guess it does seem high.
53:28  Speaker 2:  I
53:29  Speaker 4:  would say 10. Yeah. I would 10. I'd maybe start a little bit lower, but who knows if you're tolerant to that great, that will help keep muscle on.
53:37  Speaker 4:  But
53:38  Speaker 4:  like eating protein and just making sure you're stimulating those muscles with resistance training consistently
53:43  Speaker 4:  and then feeding them protein.
53:45  Speaker 4:  Yeah. So work out every single muscle on your body 1 to 2 times a week, and it needs to be worked out so hard that it is sore
53:54  Speaker 4:  for a day or 2
53:56  Speaker 4:  after that workout. Okay. If you work out a muscle, let's say if you do a weight training workout
54:01  Speaker 4:  and tomorrow
54:02  Speaker 4:  that muscle doesn't feel sore,
54:05  Speaker 4:  you did nothing to it.
54:07  Speaker 4:  Okay? Remember that. You did nothing to it. Now you you probably made it so it wouldn't you you stimulated it, but you sure didn't tell it to grow because it didn't tear down. Therefore, it doesn't think it needs to grow back any bigger or stronger or better.
54:20  Speaker 4:  I don't know. Yeah, I'm kind of stumped.
54:24  Speaker 3:  Yeah, big dog. I'd probably go more of the mitochondria route for longevity,
54:29  Speaker 3:  so
54:30  Speaker 3:  SS-thirty
54:31  Speaker 2:  1. Yeah. True.
54:33  Speaker 3:  Do SS-31.
54:34  Speaker 3:  If you do work out like Will told you, you should a little bit more. I'd probably bump up the CLO
54:42  Speaker 3:  for like muscle recovery,
54:44  Speaker 3:  but mainly
54:45  Speaker 3:  hit that SS-thirty
54:46  Speaker 3:  1. Let's repair longevity.
54:50  Speaker 3:  We're here for longevity It long
54:52  Speaker 4:  helps for, it can help for muscle gain. That's why JD and I are right now taking 15 to 30 mg a day. And
55:00  Speaker 3:  then you can switch over the Moxie give you that extra energy that will be in
55:06  Speaker 3:  the gym. Yeah. So,
55:08  Speaker 2:  yeah.
55:09  Speaker 2:  So, you know, so, you know, the start of this
55:13  Speaker 2:  statement or this question, to speak is a 1st and foremost, thank you for being such an inspiration as a wealth of knowledge. I
55:21  Speaker 2:  want to sit on that for a 2nd. These guys just kind of answered you, but we are so grateful for the people that write in. I mean, it warms my heart. I mean, you know our story because you guys write in all the time. I mean, Will and I are both in recovery. I mean, we were people that are addicted to heroin and, now we have a fairly successful company and a successful podcast. And, if you're listening to this and you're struggling, this is what happens when you get sober, man.
55:44  Speaker 2:  My sponsor, when I got sober, looked at me and said, Jade, if you do these things,
55:47  Speaker 2:  your life will become so freaking amazing, it'll blow your mind. And I was like, I just want a car.
55:54  Speaker 2:  Don't have 2 DYs, you know?
55:56  Speaker 2:  But I wanted to sit on that and really just say thank you for all you people that ride
56:01  Speaker 2:  in and are grateful for what we do. It warms our heart. It really does. And, you guys keep us going.
56:07  Speaker 2:  So they answered a lot of that. I thought that was great. SS-thirty1, what a great answer. You went at a different angle. Glad you're here, Mike. But,
56:16  Speaker 4:  creatine,
56:17  Speaker 2:  everybody,
56:18  Speaker 2:  everybody, everybody listening to this should be taking creatine. You too, ladies, creatine is great. So, that's a must. You can take monohydrate,
56:27  Speaker 2:  which is the most popular. It's generally
56:30  Speaker 2:  in a powdered form or Will and I both like HCL. I take them both. I take HCL in the morning and then after I lift, take monohydrate.
56:38  Speaker 2:  Man, it's just good for your brain. It's good for your muscles. It is
56:42  Speaker 2:  the most steady compound for a reason. Uh-huh. So that'll help, my dear. And
56:48  Speaker 2:  2 other things,
56:50  Speaker 2:  and I would just want to sit on this point because it's important. You gotta do some type of resistance training. I know they said that, but like you could get bands. You
56:57  Speaker 2:  don't have to go to the gym. You can get bands and you could put the bands everywhere and you can do your arms or triceps. You can do your back, you can do squats. I mean, you can do an amazing workout
57:09  Speaker 2:  daily
57:10  Speaker 2:  and no weight. I mean, so do that and,
57:15  Speaker 2:  you know, get that sleep into my dear, because that stuff is important with some of the stuff that you went through. So they, they answered the peptide question. I wanted to say that and just, you know, sit on the thank you part. So there you go. Yeah. Who's that? Cool.
57:30  Speaker 4:  I don't know, but I'll do me. Okay. Here it is. Short 1. What is your opinion outlook on collagen peptides?
57:38  Speaker 4:  Now,
57:40  Speaker 4:  I'm not really quite sure what you mean by this, collagen peptides. Do you mean we'll cover basis.
57:46  Speaker 4:  Like when you see those protein powders, they're like collagen
57:50  Speaker 4:  protein powders. Yeah. My thought on those is, and I've there, then the studies have shown us like
57:58  Speaker 4:  modest
57:58  Speaker 4:  results.
58:00  Speaker 4:  And that's like, that's generous.
58:03  Speaker 4:  I would be willing to bet if you did took a collagen peptides for a year,
58:09  Speaker 4:  you know, the, the, like a, like a powdered collagen peptides for a year,
58:14  Speaker 4:  and then, or
58:16  Speaker 4:  threw that away and took none of them at the end of the year, you'd look this,
58:20  Speaker 4:  would change. Sure. Okay. Now,
58:22  Speaker 4:  if you mean like actual peptides
58:24  Speaker 4:  that because
58:25  Speaker 4:  actual peptides that help with collagen,
58:28  Speaker 4:  like BPC-one
58:30  Speaker 4:  157 and
58:31  Speaker 4:  TB-five 100 and a GHK-
58:34  Speaker 4:  I think those things are freaking awesome. That is what works, right? 3 post
58:39  Speaker 4:  popular peptides for the reason. They
58:41  Speaker 4:  work GHK-3s,
58:43  Speaker 4:  It helps your body, your skin specifically
58:46  Speaker 4:  create more natural collagen. Okay?
58:49  Speaker 4:  It's actually, it's being studied. There's this active study right now,
58:52  Speaker 4:  on how well it is doing with dermis,
58:57  Speaker 4:  like
58:58  Speaker 4:  cut injuries, like sort of a cut on your skin.
59:01  Speaker 4:  And it's and it's showing a lot of good promise there, but obviously filling in wrinkles, etcetera. Right? BPC
59:07  Speaker 4:  allows your body to take nutrients and convert more of that to collagen,
59:11  Speaker 4:  more building materials, and and so does TB-five 100 and
59:15  Speaker 4:  allow them to bring to signal where to throw those building materials,
59:20  Speaker 4:  and then carry those and have all the messengers that carry all of that to rebuild you better. So those things are awesome.
59:28  Speaker 4:  The big corporate supplements that have collagen in them, I think that they are worthless.
59:33  Speaker 2:  It's like when keto
59:34  Speaker 2:  was popular or even carnivore was popular and they had all these carnivore bars and all this stuff. Yeah.
59:41  Speaker 2:  Just capitalizing on the- jumping on the bandwagon and if you see it, you're gonna believe that that's gonna I'm in ketosis still, like, not even close. Like, it's just that's- It's a tool. It's a ruse. Yeah, it's marketing. But those peptides, as Will said, are amazing. And then you also have to be careful when we were talking about this, I think off camera is,
1:00:00  Speaker 2:  like even protein powder, most of it's doodoo. It's just the case. Like you'd want to go with a higher grade or look at the ingredients
1:00:07  Speaker 2:  and because
1:00:09  Speaker 2:  you know, you, you want to spend the extra dollars on some supplements. Cause like you said, the collagen production, my wife takes it every morning, even though,
1:00:16  Speaker 2:  you know, she can get peptides, know?
1:00:19  Speaker 4:  But lesser so I know you're listening to this baby. I love you. A lot of times placebo and that's the most effective part of it. It's true. I always say most of I think it's it's working. Yep. And you will do everything else in your life that helps benefit that too. Right? Like that 1 little thing like, Oh, well, if I'm doing this, right, then I better do, I better work out harder and I better eat better food. Like that,
1:00:39  Speaker 4:  all that stuff is what works. But hell, if that puts you in the mode and mindset to do it, great. 0 Well also, because we have, you know, the, the, the face serum, which has GHKCU
1:00:50  Speaker 2:  know,
1:00:52  Speaker 2:  I I've
1:00:53  Speaker 2:  to post about this all the time. I mean, I get these laser facials that, you know, as I gotten older and every 3 months, I think I do them. My wife and I go together.
1:01:01  Speaker 2:  I mean, the serum expedites the
1:01:05  Speaker 2:  healing.
1:01:05  Speaker 2:  I'm not kidding in cuts it in 0.5. We've done it without it. And we've done it with it every time now. And it's like, woah,
1:01:13  Speaker 2:  it's that good. So do we love them? Yeah. They're that good. That's why everybody's buying them.
1:01:19  Speaker 2:  Who's that? Mike, you up? My turn. Alright. Bear
1:01:22  Speaker 3:  with me on this 1. Yeah. This one's got a lot of numbers and blood
1:01:26  Speaker 3:  work stuff. So 42
1:01:28  Speaker 3:  year old female, hundred 27 pounds, 5 3, recently had labs. Hormones look good,
1:01:35  Speaker 3:  although free t 3
1:01:37  Speaker 3:  and free t 4 are both a little low.
1:01:41  Speaker 3:  A 2 hour insulin sensitivity test showed high levels of insulin
1:01:46  Speaker 3:  product postglutose.
1:01:48  Speaker 3:  Insulin remains
1:01:50  Speaker 3:  high for longer
1:01:51  Speaker 3:  than it should. Glucose response was slower
1:01:55  Speaker 3:  than desired.
1:01:56  Speaker 3:  And when it did respond, glucose decreased.
1:01:59  Speaker 3:  Numbers, numbers, numbers, lots of numbers.
1:02:03  Speaker 3:  This
1:02:05  Speaker 3:  demonstrates to me poor insulin sensitivity.
1:02:09  Speaker 3:  Wondering your thoughts
1:02:11  Speaker 3:  and recommendations.
1:02:13  Speaker 3:  Current stack,
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1:03:17  Speaker 3:  Split
1:03:18  Speaker 3:  Monday, Thursday,
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1:03:21  Speaker 3:  micrograms CJ IpA before bed Monday through Friday,
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1:03:33  Speaker 3:  Moxie 3 weeks ago.
1:03:36  Speaker 2:  It sounds like you're insulin resistant.
1:03:39  Speaker 2:  Yeah. I mean, that's what it sounds like. So all those numbers that you put in there
1:03:43  Speaker 2:  are kind of pointing towards that. So the 1st thing I know that jumped out at all 3 of us is when you take a growth hormone or secret a GOG,
1:03:52  Speaker 2:  it can,
1:03:53  Speaker 2:  it can reduce the insulin sensitivity. So meaning your body responds to insulin
1:03:59  Speaker 2:  poorly.
1:04:00  Speaker 2:  So,
1:04:01  Speaker 2:  that's
1:04:02  Speaker 2:  really probably what's going on for the most part. You want to pull out the growth hormone
1:04:07  Speaker 2:  secreted dog. I think that might be just it now,
1:04:11  Speaker 2:  if it's deeper,
1:04:12  Speaker 2:  I don't know, but, you know, insulin sensitivity is when the body responds well to insulin. People don't. And then the insulin resistance is when the body responds
1:04:21  Speaker 2:  poorly to insulin, just so people know, because I know that gets thrown out there a lot.
1:04:27  Speaker 2:  So, yeah, I think honestly, you know, the people that, that, that, I
1:04:32  Speaker 2:  think that if you just pull that out, I honestly think that will do well. It's just 1 of those things and you can pull it out for a bit. It probably will rectify itself.
1:04:40  Speaker 2:  You can always go back on,
1:04:42  Speaker 2:  but I think that will fix it. What do you think?
1:04:44  Speaker 4:  0 Yeah. So, okay. I do not. So she is for everybody else. Right? She gave us different numbers of her glucose and her insulin at
1:04:54  Speaker 4:  like, hour by hour
1:04:56  Speaker 4:  based
1:04:56  Speaker 4:  on having a post glucose drink. Right? And then here's how it went, how her glucose rose or lowered and insulin matches. So she said, hey, this pattern
1:05:07  Speaker 4:  suggests poor insulin sensitivity
1:05:09  Speaker 4:  to me.
1:05:11  Speaker 4:  Is even though, yes, you're right, those numbers
1:05:16  Speaker 4:  show
1:05:17  Speaker 4:  not as great of response
1:05:19  Speaker 4:  as you want, right, as we want,
1:05:22  Speaker 4:  I don't think that they exactly correlate to a actual, like, diagnosed hypoglycemic
1:05:30  Speaker 4:  condition.
1:05:31  Speaker 4:  You need to have
1:05:33  Speaker 4:  so this is a situation I would go to a doctor, I'd go to an endocrinologist,
1:05:38  Speaker 4:  okay, and
1:05:39  Speaker 4:  really have them because there are other factors that
1:05:43  Speaker 4:  that go into this, right? We can't really just
1:05:46  Speaker 4:  measure that and then make your own diagnosis
1:05:49  Speaker 4:  and then move forward.
1:05:51  Speaker 4:  But what we can do here is talk about things that
1:05:55  Speaker 4:  lower or increase insulin sensitivity,
1:05:59  Speaker 4:  you know?
1:06:00  Speaker 4:  And JD is right,
1:06:02  Speaker 4:  and I would look at all
1:06:05  Speaker 4:  basic health patterns, nutrition,
1:06:08  Speaker 4:  sleep,
1:06:08  Speaker 4:  etcetera.
1:06:10  Speaker 4:  But, yeah, for sure, we know the c the the the secreted drugs and HGH, right, they can over time blunt,
1:06:17  Speaker 4:  insulin sensitivity. Right?
1:06:19  Speaker 4:  Your body recognizes glucose. We eat glucose. We eat we eat sugar. It turns into glucose,
1:06:24  Speaker 4:  and our body then notices that and pushes
1:06:27  Speaker 4:  insulin out there. Insulin kind of counteracts that.
1:06:32  Speaker 4:  You want,
1:06:34  Speaker 4:  you want that glucose to really be killed by the least amount of insulin. People with insulin sensitivity who are insensitive,
1:06:39  Speaker 4:  their body needs to keep pushing. Oh, more and more and more insulin,
1:06:43  Speaker 4:  and that's very unhealthy in terms of the that's like, you know, where we go to pre diabetic diabetic and that's not good. Right. So, you know,
1:06:52  Speaker 4:  there's my suggestion,
1:06:54  Speaker 4:  explanation and suggestion, and I don't I mean, there are
1:06:59  Speaker 4:  those are
1:07:00  Speaker 4:  peptides and the, you know, the GLP is like
1:07:03  Speaker 4:  here's the worry. I would see the I don't know. I still like seeing an endocrinologist. It's not maybe a great idea to just use the like, metformin is another thing to, like, lower blood sugar, but
1:07:14  Speaker 4:  in case you have some other thing going on, sometimes
1:07:18  Speaker 4:  the GLPs can't really control blood, you know, blood glucose levels. Right? That's not their job.
1:07:24  Speaker 4:  Well, they just don't do a good job. They can, they can go up and down and spike. You need to make sure is like the basic rules, like never eat, don't ever eat carbs alone.
1:07:32  Speaker 4:  Right? Ensure as hell don't eat sugar
1:07:34  Speaker 4:  alone by itself. What you don't want is these big spikes.
1:07:38  Speaker 4:  And,
1:07:40  Speaker 4:  yeah, eat low glycemic carbohydrates. If you go to the glycemic index online, it's gonna tell you. It'll list everything, right, tell you what
1:07:47  Speaker 4:  carbs
1:07:48  Speaker 4:  turn into sugar a lot faster,
1:07:51  Speaker 4:  and therefore provide you with quick fast energy, but then burn off and have a higher propensity to turn to fat versus carbs that last a long time, provides you with really good long sustained energy. If you don't use that energy that stores in your muscles instead of converting to fat. So you just don't want big spikes.
1:08:08  Speaker 2:  Again, it goes back to like, when you get older, you need to know what to eat, when to eat it. Like when we were younger, it was great. Right? To eat whatever we wanted. Oh, I miss those days. But if you want to stay in shape when you're older, just got to know what to eat, what carbs to eat, which ones to leave out. And I know that sucks, but it's like, once you get it down and
1:08:26  Speaker 2:  if you need help, we'll help you. We got a coaching program down. So we'll help you with all that. It's really not that difficult once you kind of get it down. It's not, but it is for somebody who's new and like, it's like, shit, there's a lot of information, but but absolutely you try and try-1R): The posted, put my fitness channel on the mark and like, it got me like 25,000 followers from 1 post was about like just insulin and whatnot at night. Don't eat carbs at night and, like, the world lost It'll kill your
1:08:55  Speaker 2:  World lost his mind. I dipped out after a day, and it ran for months. Yeah. They're fighting with each other. True. It was true. Like, it was it was it was a minute clip too. So it's like, man. It was true. You just left out the like scientific steps in between, but who cares? That's, I said, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you're doing social media world, baby.
1:09:14  Speaker 2:  All right.
1:09:15  Speaker 4:  You're up JD. Yep.
1:09:17  Speaker 2:  David. There's Michael just read it. 0 Warriors.
1:09:20  Speaker 2:  I'm blessed to have you 2 in my ear. 3 to 1 male 6 1 went from 2 40 pounds at 2 28
1:09:28  Speaker 2:  while lifting 3 times a week. Currently stack are 5.5 megs week. Tesamorelin,
1:09:35  Speaker 2:  mg nightly.
1:09:37  Speaker 2:  Phentermorelin
1:09:38  Speaker 2:  stopped August 1,
1:09:40  Speaker 2:  180
1:09:41  Speaker 2:  protein,
1:09:43  Speaker 2:  70 carbs,
1:09:45  Speaker 2:  70 grams of carbs, 67 hours of sleep. Goal is to maintain fat loss and maximize muscle gain. So I look like Mr. William T Haws.
1:09:54  Speaker 2:  That's actually funny.
1:09:56  Speaker 2:  What's funny.
1:09:59  Speaker 2:  Yeah. Question 1 after reaching goal weight of a GLP crunch,
1:10:04  Speaker 2:  should dosing change when moving from fat loss to muscle gain? Should I stay on the lowest effective dose taper off or adjust based on appetite and body composition? Question 2: how do I balance GLP appetite suppression
1:10:19  Speaker 2:  with eating enough calories and protein for
1:10:22  Speaker 2:  hypertrophy,
1:10:24  Speaker 2:  is increased hunger during a bulk beneficial
1:10:28  Speaker 2:  and what signs show are is limiting muscle growth. Thank you
1:10:32  Speaker 3:  Stuff.
1:10:33  Speaker 3:  I like this 1. That's a good, it's a good question. Go ahead, Michael. I recently did this because I didn't, I went on a bulk, was on Retta,
1:10:44  Speaker 3:  was too So
1:10:45  Speaker 3:  I brought it down to a low dose Retta to keep the food noise out. So
1:10:54  Speaker 3:  I did a
1:10:56  Speaker 3:  since you're at 5.5
1:10:58  Speaker 3:  mg per week, I would do more like a 1.5
1:11:02  Speaker 3:  every
1:11:03  Speaker 3:  5 days would help with the food noise, but keep an appetite with you.
1:11:09  Speaker 3:  So that's what helped me the most where I was still had an appetite,
1:11:14  Speaker 3:  but
1:11:15  Speaker 3:  I could still eat
1:11:18  Speaker 4:  plenty.
1:11:19  Speaker 4:  Yeah. I think this is, I mean, the, I think the answer here is a common sense answer.
1:11:24  Speaker 4:  How do we switch from like, what was dosing look like on Retta? Tell me if I have this question right. What would my dosing look like on Retta after I've reached my goal weight and lost all the weight? And now I want to start gaining muscle, but I don't want to stop taking the hour.
1:11:41  Speaker 4:  What would the dose well, here's the deal. Yes, you need to have a if you wanna gain some more muscle, right, you need to be eating some food. Okay? So you definitely cannot be taking so much where that it's restricting your appetite.
1:11:53  Speaker 4:  Itself, it in itself is not actually well,
1:11:58  Speaker 4:  there is an argument for it blunting
1:12:00  Speaker 4:  HGH
1:12:01  Speaker 4:  pathways,
1:12:02  Speaker 4:  okay?
1:12:05  Speaker 4:  And which that in turn, right, leads directly into muscle growth. And so there is an argument that you're taking a good amount of R,
1:12:13  Speaker 4:  will
1:12:15  Speaker 4:  do more from preventing hypertrophy
1:12:18  Speaker 4:  than just restricting your calories. But I think this all goes hand in hand like, yes, lower the dose,
1:12:25  Speaker 4:  lower the dose. So the bad food noise is gone. You know, you've lost some weight and good for you. Let's stick with those habits, right? Like this is 1 of the benefits of all of this is a huge benefit is like guys keep the momentum, right? You've learned what it's like to eat healthy, right? And to eat less and your stomach has shrunk. I guarantee it. I know this because this happens when I was eating for football, we had to just cram food so we can rate, you can increase stomach. Your stomach shrunk down right now. Don't push it,
1:12:51  Speaker 4:  Lower the RET. You might get a little bit more hungry, but it will take the edge off of that food noise. So but don't
1:12:58  Speaker 4:  don't just jam food in there. Right? Get in that habit of eating till you're satiated
1:13:03  Speaker 4:  and not till you're full.
1:13:06  Speaker 4:  Boost up your protein. Just focus on protein, protein, protein, protein, protein. If you're a man and you really wanna gain some muscle, 1.5 g of muscle protein
1:13:15  Speaker 4:  You will. Per
1:13:17  Speaker 4:  pound of goal body weight.
1:13:21  Speaker 4:  And, yeah, how do you know if Retta is inhibiting your muscle growth? If if shit. If,
1:13:28  Speaker 4:  if R is limiting your muscle growth, well, because you're just not able to eat that correct amount of protein.
1:13:36  Speaker 4:  Other than that, you don't really know, sorry, about the it blunting your growth hormone pathways. Sorry. You just don't really know. But,
1:13:44  Speaker 4:  I think if you if you lower it, like he said,
1:13:47  Speaker 4:  that
1:13:49  Speaker 4:  it's not going to blend as much if you just keep eating and you lift heavy,
1:13:53  Speaker 4:  and you maybe take some other supplements,
1:13:55  Speaker 4:  take testosterone, that'll take care of all your problems. But,
1:14:00  Speaker 4:  yeah, I didn't hear
1:14:01  Speaker 4:  don't think he mentioned that, but he's 31, so I'm not telling you to do that. I
1:14:07  Speaker 4:  personally,
1:14:09  Speaker 4:  I don't know. I personally subscribed to the philosophy of always trying to
1:14:14  Speaker 4:  gain muscle and burn fat at maybe a slower rate as opposed to a bulk in a cut.
1:14:21  Speaker 4:  You know, the true bulk and cut like bodybuilders is so bad for you. Yeah. It really is really, really, really really like dump trucks when they're bulking dudes. Yeah. It is so not good as all of these other questions that have happened, right? That like people talk about, you know, all what it does to your body when you lose a whole bunch of fat rapidly,
1:14:38  Speaker 4:  like, you know, all that waste needs to go somewhere. It's just not good on your body. So,
1:14:43  Speaker 4:  I don't know. That's my best answer. Like use it as bro, common sense.
1:14:47  Speaker 4:  The best answer would be like, use your common sense that you need to eat food
1:14:52  Speaker 4:  to put muscle on. If it's inhibiting your food intake, then it's inhibiting your I muscle
1:15:00  Speaker 2:  always like saying it, Rich Piana, want to eat, get it, eat big. You
1:15:05  Speaker 2:  want to get big, get eat big.
1:15:08  Speaker 2:  Yeah, man. And here's the thing. So again, you want to remember the goal is not to take anything in perpetuity except for HGH and TRT,
1:15:18  Speaker 2:  Even HGH. Was, I'm not even actually taking it right now. Believe it not. It's the 1st time in years.
1:15:23  Speaker 2:  Cause I was trying to get back to the basics. Was pulling the girl, Thormann out myself for a reason.
1:15:30  Speaker 2:  But you gotta make sure you eat that protein brother. Like I know that he said, you're not eating enough protein. Like you said your weight. So it's a very simple math, eat the protein.
1:15:39  Speaker 2:  And then secondly,
1:15:40  Speaker 2:  don't, you gotta change that mindset because you don't want to stand Retta in perpetuity. You want to come off of it anyway. You want to get your eating habits
1:15:48  Speaker 2:  down because you're 31 dude, we're to be in Reddit forever. So you want to get to the point where you're at and you want to really like start to enforce discipline to the degree where your eating habits have radically changed.
1:16:00  Speaker 2:  And
1:16:01  Speaker 2:  you know, that's
1:16:03  Speaker 2:  the goal,
1:16:04  Speaker 2:  right? That's the goal. You're young. You got a lot of time, dude. I'm eating the proper foods at the right time. It's that simple dude. It really is.
1:16:12  Speaker 2:  So these guys already answered the rest.
1:16:16  Speaker 2:  Eat more protein for sure.
1:16:21  Speaker 4:  The way, I'm glad you stopped the phentermine. I mean, for any of us who are in this program, Phen Phen is not, that's what AKA Phen Phen, right? It's just, it's, it's amphetamines,
1:16:30  Speaker 4:  but it is still the prescribed fat burner that doctors give to people.
1:16:35  Speaker 4:  Do you feel about, how do you feel without that? Probably a lot better. Oh, me not being an upper person. I like, I take that stuff.
1:16:43  Speaker 4:  But good.
1:16:45  Speaker 4:  I'll take that.
1:16:46  Speaker 4:  Okay.
1:16:47  Speaker 4:  I'm a, I'll finish it. Take his own. So I'm a 27 year old,
1:16:52  Speaker 4:  5 foot 4,
1:16:54  Speaker 4:  145 pound female that has lost 80 pounds. Holy shit. Good job. That's, that's great. I started Tirz with, that my doctor prescribed me to help my PCOS symptoms.
1:17:05  Speaker 4:  I have switched to R for 5 months now and will never change. It's elite.
1:17:10  Speaker 2:  Good.
1:17:11  Speaker 4:  I have done a round of Tessa and AOD, but I don't know what to try next. I'm looking to lose my last 15 pounds,
1:17:18  Speaker 4:  but still keep on muscles since I weight train 3 to 5 times a week. Good job. Good for you, man. That that that is what we yeah. That's somebody just
1:17:28  Speaker 4:  changing their own life.
1:17:31  Speaker 4:  And never going back. Yep. Because life's better. Now I know that she said that just for the r, but, like,
1:17:36  Speaker 4:  I will also interpret I will never change, meaning I'm never gonna put the 80 pounds back on.
1:17:42  Speaker 4:  Good for you. What else would be great
1:17:45  Speaker 2:  for you? Yep.
1:17:47  Speaker 2:  5 Amino-1MQ,
1:17:48  Speaker 2:  which is my top 5. I freaking love it. I think 5 Amino was amazing, especially with people that are on GLP-1. And Michael said earlier, it's great.
1:17:56  Speaker 2:  So those 2
1:17:58  Speaker 2:  alone would be 2 that you can replace the Tesa AOD. You know, you generally had 27.
1:18:04  Speaker 2:  I mean, you generally want to have a secret dog in there as well.
1:18:10  Speaker 2:  But you can run Tesamorelin for quite some time. I don't know how Rick you, how you, well you ran it, but it's really is really good for that visceral fat, that little belly fat. There really is nothing better than that. But those are 2 that are fat burners that are awesome.
1:18:23  Speaker 2:  SLU-3three
1:18:25  Speaker 2:  2 and,
1:18:26  Speaker 2:  5 Amino 1 of them 2. So try that.
1:18:30  Speaker 3:  Alright. Last 15 pounds is always the hardest. Oh, hang on. Twice as hard for it. So, like, JD said,
1:18:38  Speaker 3:  gonna be at the 5 amino, and then I would add the Moxie in the 2. So it'll give you that extra energy. I'll probably run a little bit of fat too there.
1:18:47  Speaker 3:  So we're kinda hitting the fat at, like, 3 different angles. With the R5 amino and the Moxie. So
1:18:56  Speaker 3:  that's the
1:18:58  Speaker 3:  route I would go and keep it, keep it up.
1:19:01  Speaker 3:  Last 5 pounds are gonna be hard, but you got this.
1:19:04  Speaker 4:  It's hard because
1:19:06  Speaker 4:  you've, your, you've lost all this weight, right? And you've guaranteed you lost some muscle. So your metabolism is probably at the slowest it's ever been. So, and then laziness that last little bit, here's the hardest part for people. It's like, you got to start eating more food. So you need my
1:19:21  Speaker 4:  I wouldn't say you need to like, you do whatever you want, but like, I would say
1:19:25  Speaker 4:  it's adding muscle.
1:19:27  Speaker 4:  So we
1:19:28  Speaker 4:  gotta focus on adding muscle. That is how that last little bit of weight actually comes off. I don't know. What's question? I'll miss you if you needed a 100 times. And so that means you're going to need to start eating a little bit more probably,
1:19:42  Speaker 4:  but again, you can eat smart. Doesn't mean necessarily need mean I didn't just, it's not carte blanche to just go eat. Let's add in a little bit more protein. Let's do small frequent meals of of protein.
1:19:52  Speaker 4:  Let's, I mean, shoot, going,
1:19:55  Speaker 4:  going keto,
1:19:56  Speaker 4:  see what happens there.
1:20:00  Speaker 4:  Eat protein
1:20:01  Speaker 4:  and add some muscle that brings your base metabolism up, and then that will allow you to burn the fat. And then do the other things that they said also to help burn the fat. L carnitine's 1 that wasn't mentioned,
1:20:13  Speaker 4:  like an injectable L carnitine.
1:20:15  Speaker 4:  And,
1:20:16  Speaker 4:  yeah, kick ass. You're going to take all these suggestions. It's a guess and check. You're just going to have to try,
1:20:23  Speaker 4:  try different things. Go, wow, that really worked. Okay. I'll do that cycle and then I'll do something else and then I'll come back to that 1 that really worked.
1:20:30  Speaker 4:  You will figure it out. You'll get to know. I mean, you've obviously probably learned a whole lot in this journey so far 2 to 80 pounds.
1:20:37  Speaker 4:  Good job. Keep
1:20:40  Speaker 5:  Huge,
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1:21:26  Speaker 2:  Alright. Yes. I got nothing else. Anything else you got, Michael? Nope. Welcome to school. Pep 10 of the week for the 1st time. Hey. Appreciate it. There'll be many more, hopefully. Stuff.
1:21:36  Speaker 4:  So thanks for guys. 1st time on camera, Michael. It's always tough.
1:21:40  Speaker 2:  It is tough. I
1:21:42  Speaker 2:  used to surprise him all the time. I'd be like, Eddie, come here. Let's get Mike. Yeah. You know, now I get to actually be in the room instead of listening to the outside. So how cool is that? So, so,
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