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0:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
0:22Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
0:30Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
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0:54Speaker 4Welcome back to the Pepatide LUI podcast. I'm your host JD Denham across the way. Finally back, our buddy.
1:02Speaker 4Good to be back, mister William T. Haas. We all missed you. It's crazy that 2 weeks felt like a lifetime. It did. We didn't talk too much. You were enjoying your trip as you should.
1:12Speaker 4We missed you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Put your hair down there. Well, I were laughing because I think it was Justin Wetzel that actually told us this, but he said, you don't have a business if you can't leave it for 2 weeks and it doesn't fall apart. Right. So when I do finally talk to Will, I say, hey, bro. At least we know we got a business. Yeah. That's right. Yep. That's right. You know what I mean?
1:30Speaker 4But congrats, man. Thank you. Congrats on how you looked like the trip was great. It was it was awesome. Posting pictures and stuff. It was awesome. The proposed, well, I guess, 2 good things. Yeah. I wasn't. Let let you we didn't talk about it. So were you nervous? I was not nervous, actually. No. No. Really? No. I wasn't nervous.
1:46Speaker 1I was excited to get it done with, and the problem is I had it planned for early in the vacation, right, on a boat ride,
1:53Speaker 1right off of the Amalfi Coast to Capri, but
1:56Speaker 1that boat ride got canceled because of weather. By the way. Which was good because they also lost their bags.
2:01Speaker 1They found them, ultimately.
2:04Speaker 1But so I wanted to do it early in vacation, but it had it was delayed about 4 days.
2:08Speaker 1So
2:09Speaker 1but anyway, we got it. We had a private boat. The the captain, Giovanni, was was awesome, drove us to Capri.
2:15Speaker 1And I had told the captain, hey, I want to propose to her sometime this boat trip. And then so about 10 minutes in, he kinda walks into me and says, so how do you wanna do it? Because he's done, like, thousands of these. All these boat drivers, dude, he's like, this, I've done, I can't tell like, countless times.
2:30Speaker 1And I said, I go, I don't know, dude. Like, maybe somewhere on somewhere in land, like, away from people.
2:36Speaker 1Think about that. And then we were we were riding the boat another 15 minutes, and Ali just like she's like, I just love being on a boat. And I was like, you know what? Fucking. Like,
2:44Speaker 1likes being on a boat. Like, that's where she actually is really, really happy. I will just propose to her on the boat. Yeah. So I went back and I said, hey, dude. Let's swim because I kinda wanna be refreshed and, like, get the nerves out, you know, jump in some water and and be refreshed. I was like, just let's find us a spot that's kinda isolated where we can jump off.
3:01Speaker 1And he's like, okay. I'll bring, like, the champagne bottles out while you guys are swimming, which was nor which is not out of the normal. Like, right? They have that. For sure. So I so we stopped,
3:11Speaker 1and she she, like, does a perfect backflip off the boat, which is impressive, which is 1 of the main reasons 1 of the main reasons. But I really like her and love her. 1 1 big reason because she's athletic.
3:22Speaker 1That's funny. Sorry. Just that's just 1 of my things. So she does a backflip. I go in. The water's incredibly warm. We get up. And then as I'm we're getting up, and I'm like, hey. Do you want a towel to dry your hair? And I, like, talked to Bodaro. I was like, shit. I should she's not gonna be very happy with looking like a drowned rat, but I, like, with the pictures of me proposing with her hair all wet. You know? I don't think like that. Yeah. Do. That was like, oh, shit. I didn't catch that 1 yet. Yeah. Oops. But it was and then I said, okay, dude. I guess I'm gonna do it. And so the guy's like, okay. So he brought the champagne, and he was filming. I said, hey, get this.
3:55Speaker 1And I walked,
3:57Speaker 1and I did and then I did my thing. You know? I went down in the I bought her this Louis Vuitton box, like a little ring box made by Louis Vuitton. It's way too expensive. But
4:06Speaker 1sat down. I kept it very
4:09Speaker 1quick and simple. I tend to
4:11Speaker 1I could just see it now, me, like, rambling a little bit, right, and going like, I think I really wanna spend the rest of my life. Yeah. You know what? Let's see how it's right? I was like, oh, just shut up and say what's necessary. I do say, like, I love you and I wanna spend the rest of my life with you. Good. Will you marry me?
4:28Speaker 1And she cried and was really surprised.
4:32Speaker 1And the film, when we got really good footage,
4:34Speaker 1Giovanni's like, dude, you're the you're the I've done thousands of these, and you're the easiest
4:39Speaker 1proposal I've ever done. Got it. He's like, most dude guys are just so uptight and want everything off perfect. Yeah. Fuck it. But it was natural, and it was good, and she liked it that way too. Like, you know, it's in her natural state, and her hair's wet. She's she was actually surprised,
4:56Speaker 1and the rock was big.
4:58Speaker 1The the ring was a bit too big, and so it was spinning because the rock was so big also, though.
5:05Speaker 1And it was spinning, so she had to go resize it.
5:09Speaker 1And we found somebody in Positano.
5:11Speaker 1There was a jeweler who had his own little lab. They could resize it, and then it was too tight.
5:16Speaker 1She had to go back.
5:17Speaker 1And then loosened it up a little bit, and now it's and it's perfect. Yeah. That's right. But we are so I guess 2 things. That went off that went off perfect. It couldn't have been, I don't know, couldn't have been better. Like, just life is what it is. Right? We deal with deal with hurdles and
5:33Speaker 1shit's
5:33Speaker 1not gonna be perfect. Do that. And that's how it should be. It's not black and white. It's messy as shit. It's gray. And then her and I went on a long long vacation. Right? Was, like, damn, 2 weeks of just her and I. Yeah. And at the end of the vacation, we didn't have we didn't never, like, have we never fight. Right? There's a few times that we got frustrated with each other. Yeah. But that's, like, normal, but we we still we still like each other after the vacation. So that's a positive.
5:57Speaker 1Excuse me. It's a win win. It's a win I mean, you know, and we've been but we were really just immersed together,
6:04Speaker 1and we still love each other and still want to still wanna get married, and it'll be easy marriage.
6:09Speaker 1There's even when I when I talked to her dad,
6:12Speaker 1he's like, you guys aren't gonna wear, like, tuxedos and stuff, are you? Monkey suits? I was like, in fact, no. I would love not to. But
6:20Speaker 1no shoes and no tuxedos for the wedding. We'll probably do it somewhere close.
6:25Speaker 1But it was a long time. It didn't felt like a long time. You're gone a long time. Yeah. So Will is it was which he does
6:33Speaker 4he checked out, and, like, I was surprised. And I was happy for him because, like, we've worked our ass off for the last year and 0.5, and he deserved it. And so
6:42Speaker 4I was a little surprised because you've never done that. I've never So once we realized that you were doing that, we were stoked. Yeah. And thank you for allowing me do You deserve it. You're getting married, and, like, you're in the truth of a lifetime. I mean, like, that doesn't come around, and, the place didn't burn down. We're still doing good. We had a lot of hiccups. Yeah. Yeah.
7:01Speaker 4Because businesses do. You know? And, like, we'd just damn it, man. And this is what a company does, man. Yeah. It is good to have you back.
7:09Speaker 4You know, with businesses, and we're 50 50 on our businesses and whatnot, I can't ever really make decisions without them. So it's good to have you back. And we miss you, man, because we love you. Mhmm. You're the place is never complete when we're not complete. Yeah. If even 1 person's gone that's a part of the family is Yeah. It's they're not here, but, we got still big stuff coming, man. I mean, school is blowing up. I love that people love it. We're continuing to grow school.
7:34Speaker 4We're doing some outside the box stuff. I'm gonna throw this out there. Will and I didn't discuss talking about it. So we are starting to cultivate I've had it in my heart forever since I've been doing the fitness channel about, like, a weekend with
7:46Speaker 4just some dudes that I respect. And now that, you know, our channels have grown and, like, we're you know, have met some people that we respect, blah blah blah,
7:55Speaker 4We we wanna do something big with, like, Warrior Makers and, Lies Not Sheep. So, my mentor, is Mark Moss and, Justin Wetzel,
8:03Speaker 4big names that we at least think that they're big names, we wanna do a weekend. And, so we have a call with them at 05:00, Sean,
8:11Speaker 4Mark, Justin, and some other guys that will be speaking.
8:15Speaker 4And I think it's gonna be cool. It will be. The timing has never been right. It's been in my heart forever. I almost did it when I was just doing a fitness thing, and I was starting to put it together, but timing has to be right. But,
8:26Speaker 4as I was talking with Sean and Mark the other night just on text, they were like, what's the goal? I'm like, I've I've researched stuff. I turned into you, man. I researched it. I've been chatting PT and a lot of the different stuff, and it's been kinda eye opening because
8:40Speaker 4the motivation is to change lives, man. Yeah. And, statistically speaking, there will be a lot of people that come that they don't do nothing with it. Yep. And that's just the way it is. So, like, let's say 3% take it and do something with their lives. I said, I'm happy with that. Mhmm. I'm happy with that. You know, we get to share stage and with some dudes that we respect, and we get to talk about maybe business a little bit and talk about,
9:02Speaker 4motivation
9:03Speaker 4and talk about, like, maybe some, stuff that we've been through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The sobriety stuff.
9:10Speaker 1It is cool. It'll be like a full, well rounded, like, growth weekend. Right? Financial. We got Mark Moss and Joe Brown, dude. Right? Like, fully like, a full spectrum. So, like, physical
9:20Speaker 1Yep. Mental, spiritual, financial,
9:24Speaker 1and all of the yeah. With experts in every all the about rep. Businesses and stuff. Yeah. We're adding some stuff,
9:31Speaker 4which, you know, these need to be cultivated, wolves and gongs. But, like, you know, we had asked all the dang time about coaching stuff Mhmm. Like,
9:39Speaker 4stuff. And, like, we have been so busy that we haven't been able to do that. Now we're staffed to the degree where we have that. So we're we're putting together some coaching stuff,
9:47Speaker 4and, we found a guy that will be amazing. You know? Will and I will pop on, and we'll do a lot of the stuff too with business and motivation. And
9:55Speaker 1so they're big soft, dude. Big stuff. Jeez. It's tough. And it's just red. Behind the behind the weekend, we do not this
10:02Speaker 1so a lot of these retreats that people do, these workshops, it was like, oh, I'll teach you a business. Right? They're just a sales pitch Yeah. For
10:10Speaker 1you pay a lot decent amount of money Totally. But the whole point of that is to sell you on something else. Right? Right. This is not that. Close. Yeah. Yeah. We have no we have no ulterior
10:20Speaker 4sales pitch. Like, my motto, you know, and people probably hear me say it all the time, but it's like, do big shit. Like, meaning, like, surround yourself with guys that like and that's how we think here. You you know mean? Look at school. Like, Will's put too much stuff in time with that, and, like, we're gonna grow it. We're gonna do good stuff and, like, we wanna bring people on this podcast
10:38Speaker 4that
10:39Speaker 4we learn from and you learn from. I mean, that's the I mean, we have doctor Chesnut that's coming on. You know, he's he's busy, but he's coming on. Doctor Kissenia,
10:48Speaker 4she's, I think Kissenia? Kissenia. Oh, yeah. Kissenia.
10:52Speaker 4She's coming on, and she and I have been rapping quite a bit on social media. She's awesome. I I I I think she's awesome. Jay Campbell, who's been on here before, is coming in. Yeah. It's coming in. Lives will be sitting at this table tomorrow,
11:04Speaker 4and that's gonna be fun. That's always fun. Obviously, Trevor Cruders coming back. Doctor Scott next week,
11:10Speaker 4and that's gonna be a fun 1 because
11:13Speaker 4Doctor. Scott is gonna dig into blood work. And I think, we're gonna really dig deep into blood work on for women. Where do I where do where do women's, like, estradiol need to be testosterone,
11:25Speaker 4free testosterone? Where do men's because what Western medicine says is just this wide range, and it's not necessarily where healthy people should be. So Scott's gonna dig into that. And he's also seeing a lot of men come on who are on gear, which for you people that know what that means, steroids.
11:41Speaker 4And he's seeing a lot of men's blood work jacked, and he wants to talk about it because he's seeing kind of a a fear in that. And, yeah. I said, come on, bro. We would love to talk about that stuff. So we're gonna bring as many people on that are we can think of that are gonna give you,
11:57Speaker 4where you can make education educated guesses for or or educated choices for your life. Us too.
12:04Speaker 4You know? We're all under construction. We're never a complete will, I say it all the time. We don't act like we know it all.
12:10Speaker 4We we we're students of life. We're gonna sit down and, like, we're just blessed to be able to sit down with these people live and talk to them and ask the questions that we wanna know. Mhmm. So big stuff. So those people are all coming on August is just gonna blow your mind. We got big names and big just it's gonna be a lot of fun. So schools pop in. If you're not on there, jump on there. Today is a q and a. It's good to have them back. We'll always start this off. Let's rock. Okay.
12:36Speaker 1Question number 1. 36 year old female here.
12:39Speaker 1Finally getting my hormones tested. I specifically asked my provider to add estradiol,
12:44Speaker 1free and total testosterone, progesterone, and cortisol to my labs.
12:48Speaker 1Thanks to everything
12:49Speaker 1thanks to everything I've learned from your podcast. My question is, are there any peptides I should stop taking before my labs to avoid affecting the results? If so, how long before the blood draw should I discontinue them?
13:02Speaker 1Thank you all for the education you've shared. It gave me the confidence to advocate for my for more comprehensive
13:08Speaker 1testing.
13:09Speaker 1Beautiful. So I guess to the quick quick question, you said you've added
13:15Speaker 1estradiol free in total testosterone,
13:18Speaker 1progesterone, cortisol.
13:20Speaker 1If there is something that we want you that you should maybe stop,
13:23Speaker 1it's because you're testing for it. So the only thing you don't say you're asking for an IGF-one test, but my guess is you probably are or you should. That's what I got to. The main things that any secretagogues,
13:35Speaker 1right, that's that's what they test for. So even HGH, they don't test you for your HGH levels. Right? They test you for your IGF-one levels because that's downstream what it really Which is still hard.
13:46Speaker 1And it's still hard, but, like, your secretagogues
13:49Speaker 1will definitely affect that. So if you don't, I would say, you know, 3 to 5 days off of those to have those nonexistent.
13:58Speaker 1If it's like MK-six 77, that that longer, 1 to 2 weeks, maybe.
14:04Speaker 1The, I guess, you know, sustained
14:07Speaker 1and and rapid weight loss caused by GLP ones
14:12Speaker 1will increase your SHBG.
14:14Speaker 1So
14:15Speaker 1if you have lost a whole bunch of weight
14:18Speaker 1and you go get tested and your SHBG is high, that's probably 1
14:23Speaker 1typical reason.
14:25Speaker 1If you're I mean, HCG, Kisspeptin, if you're testing in your hormones, your luteinizing hormone or your follicle stimulating hormones, your gonadalaxis,
14:33Speaker 1then
14:34Speaker 1Kisspeptin, HCG, or something that you wanna
14:37Speaker 1not be taking while during the test.
14:39Speaker 11 other
14:41Speaker 1researched thing that I actually found on this after reading this question is biotin. So my guess is people in the fitness world, women especially, are taking biotin from hair, skin, and nails.
14:51Speaker 1That will,
14:53Speaker 1that's an easy 1 that will run the risk of of throwing off your lap. So if you are taking any biotin,
14:59Speaker 1maybe pause that for a week before you do your labs to get your actual
15:03Speaker 1baseline correct
15:05Speaker 4reading.
15:06Speaker 4Awesome. Anything else? You already answered that, but that's great. So, yeah, I was just gonna say HGH or anything that's gonna affect IGF-one.
15:12Speaker 4So if you are taking anything, don't do that. Just wait.
15:17Speaker 4And the cool thing that you just said in here,
15:19Speaker 4it gave me the confidence to advocate for me, more comprehensive testing. That's the whole point of this podcast.
15:25Speaker 4We're just, I love reading that because
15:28Speaker 4so many people's eyes are opening up and a lot of you ladies didn't know that you're supposed to get your blood work done,
15:34Speaker 4you know? And I love seeing that come around
15:38Speaker 4knowing that women need to get their hormones checked too. So I love seeing that. I love you. The fact that you've kinda listened to some of the people, either us or people that have come on here, that's what the point is, man. So good stuff. I love it. Alright.
15:51Speaker 4A 42 year old male who started peptide journey at 300
15:56Speaker 4began with Semaglutide
15:57Speaker 4in January 2005, lost 20 pounds,
16:01Speaker 4but the side effects made the experience difficult. No shit. Yeah. Semaglutide is brutal.
16:06Speaker 4In October
16:07Speaker 42025,
16:08Speaker 4I switched to Retatrutide and explored many other peptides. Since then, I've lost 70 pounds.
16:14Speaker 1Yeah.
16:15Speaker 4Now weigh 208
16:18Speaker 4pounds. Good for you, dude. Huge, huge, huge. I wanted to start a cellular rebuild stack, Glutathione,
16:25Speaker 4FOXO-four,
16:27Speaker 4Epitalon,
16:28Speaker 4SS-thirty 1,
16:30Speaker 4with MOTS c, NAD plus, GHK- CU, with Wolverine,
16:34Speaker 4I'm assuming
16:35Speaker 4you mean glow,
16:37Speaker 4and Tesa Ipamore. Should I run them all at the same time, overlap them in the middle of each cycle, or do 1 cycle at a time? Great question. Would this also work for my wife who is battling endometriosis?
16:51Speaker 4Should she start with something different?
16:53Speaker 4Also, can you break down Epitalon dosage? Dosage? I've heard 1 mg and 10 mg. Thank you guys for the informative knowledge. Good stuff. Good question.
17:03Speaker 4I'll take it 1st just because,
17:07Speaker 4for me it's changed a little bit,
17:11Speaker 4know, especially once, you know, I've been into peptides for quite a while, but now that they've gone and there's so many,
17:17Speaker 4you know, mainly just taking like Wolverine and whatnot when I was, you know, years ago when I was hurt to exit this dude.
17:24Speaker 4But when you start to read about them and you start to try them and they're amazing,
17:28Speaker 4every time you start to read more and more, you're just like, that sounds awesome, and that sounds awesome, and let's take them all. And that's kinda even how I started. And
17:36Speaker 4I don't think that that's the best advice, and that's me just being honest.
17:40Speaker 4I think you should maybe run maybe 4 at a time. And that's not exact. You know, you gotta boil down what's my objective? What is my goal?
17:48Speaker 4NAD is a great start there. Epitalon,
17:51Speaker 4I would start there because it's a quick 10 day, maybe 20 day.
17:55Speaker 4You can do 10.
17:58Speaker 4Yeah. Or you can do 5 Migs
18:01Speaker 420 days. I just rather get it over. It's a really quick cycle.
18:06Speaker 1So definitely start with that. Yeah. Epitalon, let me interject. So, basically, 100 migs
18:12Speaker 1twice a year. Yeah. However you accomplish that Every day too much. He was saying you could do 10 mg for 10 days. There's 100 mg or 5 mg for 20 days. Yeah. Hundred milligrams. So same thing. It's the same thing. It's just like a little less for 20
18:27Speaker 4days to 10. Alright. But you do 2 cycles a year. 2, yeah. And it's so easy. So what that's why I'm saying we'll start that 1. A good friend of ours, Paul Backyard, is on here all the time, certs everybody with that peptide. Mhmm. So run that and, glutathione,
18:41Speaker 4I think everybody should run that. NAD, I think everybody should run that.
18:46Speaker 4If you're talking GHKCU
18:48Speaker 4with the Wolverine and you're talking about the glow, I'm assuming you mean that.
18:52Speaker 4I would separate them if it if if you financially can't afford it. I just particularly like them separate.
18:59Speaker 4If money's tighter, then do do them both.
19:03Speaker 4I would start with those and then run that for a little bit,
19:08Speaker 4maybe for about a good month, maybe 45 days, and then you can add some of these other ones in. I would start with the SS-thirty 1 before the MOTS c. We've definitely come a long way when it comes to that. Yeah. That we wanna fix the mitochondria before that we rev the mitochondria up. So run that for at least 3 weeks to a month
19:27Speaker 41st,
19:28Speaker 4and then you can bring in the MOTS-c. Now the Tesa Ipamorelin
19:32Speaker 4how old is he? 42.
19:36Speaker 4Yeah. I mean, actually, I would start that out. What do we think? Well, I think I would put that in there right away.
19:41Speaker 4Shoot, dude, you could do that. Mean, shoot, you can even jump to HGH, which I think is going to be a better play. But,
19:48Speaker 4yeah, you want to probably because of your age and because of your weight, your growth hormone's low. So I would definitely add that in there.
19:56Speaker 4So,
19:57Speaker 4I don't think there's necessarily a wrong answer on that except where I would I would wait on the MOTS-three run the SS-thirty 1. I would wait a little bit on the FOX o 4. So MOTS-three, FOX, o 4, keep those out for a bit. But you can run the rest of them because I think they sync well.
20:12Speaker 1Okay.
20:13Speaker 1Somewhat similar about this.
20:16Speaker 1Yes. I absolutely 2nd. If you run just the whole kitchen sink at the same time It's working. And it's and something good happens, you don't know what caused that something good. Right? If something bad happens, you also don't know what caused that something bad. True. So it is a I think for everybody, like, it's important to do be
20:33Speaker 1do some science experiments in yourself. Right? Run things 1 or 2 times,
20:38Speaker 1by them 1 or 2 compounds
20:40Speaker 1by themselves so you know what is doing what. Now,
20:44Speaker 0as far as timing Push your limits, train with precision,
20:47Speaker 0see the results. At Equinox,
20:50Speaker 0that's high performance loving.
20:51Speaker 0Everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox. Start today at equinox.com.
21:00Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay. Big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
21:07Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
21:15Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
21:17Speaker 2Wanted that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Goes so and and 1st of all, I'd like to put FOXO 4 compared to Glutathione,
21:36Speaker 1Epitalon, NAD plus, MOTS-three, SS 31,
21:40Speaker 1all of those that just named have some have a lot of good research behind them and extensive use.
21:46Speaker 1VOXO 4, not so much. I'm not saying it's bad for you, but I just I mean, I'll I'm here to say, don't know if, like It's really trying to get you into a autophagy where, like, if you're fasting,
21:58Speaker 4dead cells die off. Yeah. Yeah. That's really the main objective. I mean, you could do it without that by just fasting. Yep. And you would I I would say for your weight and whatnot in your age, I would do the fasting, brother. Yeah. I think you would get a huge benefit if need to catch up. No. You're good. And so basically, I wanna say right. He's right. So FOX 0 4 simplified is the goal is to get rid of dead and dying cells. So get them out of there so then new cells
22:23Speaker 1can be made. Like, NAD can start making some some new cells and replicate those new healthy ones,
22:29Speaker 1get the bad like, just take out the trash as FOX 0 4. So timing wise, I'd probably do FOX 0 4 1st,
22:36Speaker 1maybe fast and FOX 0 4, just to get all the old shit out. Right? Then
22:41Speaker 1then start on the other things. And, yes, 100%, you want SS-thirty 1 to come before MOTS-three. The whole point of SS-thirty 1 is
22:50Speaker 1that mitochondrial,
22:52Speaker 1like, wall is to to strengthen
22:54Speaker 1the integrity of that actual wall. So then when we do MOTS-three and we push a whole bunch of energy
22:59Speaker 1in this mitochondria,
23:00Speaker 1then you don't have this the energy leaking out of this compromised cell wall, and therefore, the MOTS-three is not really doing what it's doing, doing what it should be doing.
23:10Speaker 1Everything else you said is
23:13Speaker 1yeah.
23:16Speaker 1Timing wise on the other things,
23:18Speaker 1it doesn't really matter. I just wouldn't throw the kitchen sink in at all. But those those 2 matter.
23:25Speaker 1Glutathione can be ran probably should be ran just like all the time. Totally. Year round. Those are B12. I know people. Yeah. B12 is another thing actually I would probably add in here. I would take a look at your I would def I like the idea of having lost this much weight, like, getting on secretagog is a great idea. Like, GHR H and GHRP.
23:44Speaker 1Making sure that you're getting enough,
23:47Speaker 1your macronutrients,
23:49Speaker 1k, or your micronutrients,
23:50Speaker 1actually, like your vitamins,
23:52Speaker 1which b 12, like a b complex will really help.
23:56Speaker 1And,
23:57Speaker 1taking all these other things to make sure you're eating actually good, healthy, well rounded meals
24:01Speaker 1when you're not fasting.
24:03Speaker 1Yeah.
24:04Speaker 1So that's all I got for that. Good stuff. Okay. Hi, guys. Just discovered your podcast a month ago, and I like, and like another listener said, I use it for my workout noise.
24:13Speaker 1I'm 46 year old male on TRT, 180 mg,
24:17Speaker 17 weeks into BPC 1 5 7 at 400 micrograms
24:23Speaker 12 times daily,
24:25Speaker 1and 8 weeks in Dureta.
24:27Speaker 1I just titrated up to 5 mgs of Retta. My question is about Sermorelin and Ipamorelin.
24:33Speaker 1I have been on both for 3 weeks and currently taking 300 micrograms of Sermorelin, 200 micrograms of Ipi twice
24:40Speaker 1a day. Fasted before bed and fasted upon waking. My baseline
24:45Speaker 1IGF-one
24:45Speaker 1is 1 5 1 53 with a z score of negative 0.1
24:50Speaker 1and have went from 266
24:52Speaker 1pounds to 238 pounds. What are your thoughts? Should I up the dose?
24:56Speaker 1I started with Sermorelin to
24:58Speaker 1test my sensitivity to secretagogues.
25:00Speaker 1Thank you for everything you guys do.
25:03Speaker 4Cool. Let me take that. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I I think the most important thing here is, you know, we we always want more. We wanna try more. I think that when you feel good, you wanna feel better. Mhmm.
25:16Speaker 4What jumped out at me is you you went from 2 66 to 2 38, dude. You're winning. Yeah. Like right? Like, so I guess the most important question here before you say, should you go up is how do you feel?
25:28Speaker 4Do you feel great?
25:29Speaker 4So if you feel great, why don't you just let it run its course, man? You're not gonna gain all like, even a bodybuilder's,
25:34Speaker 4it's years and years and years and years that they look like that. Right? Like, to go slow is my point. So if you don't feel prime,
25:43Speaker 4you can maybe go up a little bit. I mean, generally speaking, I don't know, what would you say? Like, 1 mg of Sermorelin and like, 0.5 a mg of Ipiron. I mean, that's not exact.
25:51Speaker 1Yeah. You're taking less than that. Yeah. He has taken it twice a day. So but he is taking less. Oh, you're right. But but it's still 600 micrograms.
25:58Speaker 4Yeah. Still under, so you can you still can for sure go up.
26:03Speaker 4I think the most important question is how do you feel? If you feel good, I'd leave well enough alone for at least now because you're winning, man. 2 66 to 2 38. You haven't seen me be doing it that long.
26:14Speaker 4Mhmm. That's you're kicking butt, dude. What do you think, Will? Yeah. I think that,
26:19Speaker 11st of all, like, your z score is actually pretty is median, you know, and we'll talk with doctor Scott about that. Like, these ranges are for average Americans, which generally are unhealthy. And so just being in the in the range usually isn't good enough, but still, that's not like, oh, that's really low.
26:36Speaker 1I but I also would argue that you don't really have a baseline IGF-one
26:39Speaker 1if you're taking secretagogues.
26:42Speaker 1And now you get tested, that's not a baseline because
26:45Speaker 1baseline is without any secretagogues. Now maybe you did take this test before you started the secretagogues,
26:51Speaker 1and then that would be an actual baseline
26:53Speaker 1reading.
26:54Speaker 1Know this. You've lost a considerable amount of weight, and you're taking Reta. So when we're in that much of a and you have to be in a caloric deficit to be losing 28 pounds or so. Right?
27:04Speaker 1When we're in a caloric deficit, that that that
27:09Speaker 1kinda dulls our IGF-one response. Right? Our body isn't building muscle. It's losing weight. Right? You're telling it, I'm in a caloric deficit, to lose to try to lose lose weight. Right? So
27:19Speaker 1so your
27:21Speaker 1HGH,
27:22Speaker 1your IGF-one levels are having a blunted response if you're in a caloric deficit.
27:27Speaker 1So
27:28Speaker 1your and just maybe throwing more,
27:31Speaker 1it really doesn't do the doesn't really help to just throw more secretagogue at it because we're already blunting the pituitary
27:38Speaker 1axis where it starts off. K?
27:41Speaker 1So just know, like, if your IGF-1L-1L
27:44Speaker 1levels will be a bit lower if you're losing a whole bunch of weight. K? Because you're in a caloric deficit.
27:49Speaker 1And if you're in a caloric deficit,
27:51Speaker 1that is,
27:52Speaker 1blunting that IGF-one
27:54Speaker 1output,
27:55Speaker 1k, or response to to to the secreting ox.
27:59Speaker 1So
28:00Speaker 1I don't know, dude. I think that everything else JD said is is is just fine,
28:04Speaker 1but you are winning. Right? That's the goal is to keep is to keep doing what you've been doing. Maybe take a look at these things when you plateau out
28:12Speaker 1instead of while you're still on a winning streak. Yeah. Because you will plateau. You will plateau and, like, you let's let's use
28:19Speaker 1let's use these as plateau busters instead of,
28:22Speaker 1you know More. Adding more because things are going great. Right? We get it, though. Like, that's how human nature is. Like, I feel great. I wanna feel more great. Mhmm. Yeah. We're both on recovery. That's what we get it. And, you know, we've said, and it is like, hey. If you lose a bunch of weight, right,
28:36Speaker 1you are inevitably probably losing some muscle, and that's not not what what we want. And so eating a high protein diet and then getting on secretagogues
28:44Speaker 1is the way to to to really try to combat that, but just know when you're taking if we're looking at a blood test, that IGF-one level will be a bit lower,
28:55Speaker 4while you're in a caloric deficit. Okay? So I would say, basically, again, try not to I just don't really believe that people should be taking things, playing to a test. I think we should be taking all this stuff, playing to How do feel? How we feel and how we move as opposed to just like, oh, there's numbers gotta change something. Because we say it all the time. Like, what's the sweet spot? I don't know. Like, Will and I have been running TRT for a long time, and we don't take the same dose. Now granted, we're a lot he's a lot bigger than me, but, like, you're that's why this doesn't matter. Like, how do you feel? If you feel good, you're sick. I said this, I think, in the last podcast, and it's so it's so important. You're
29:32Speaker 4not supposed to be like shit. You're not supposed to have cloudy head. You're supposed to have a sex drive, and you're supposed to feel good. That's just how God created us. Now that takes work. It takes work. Like like, you know, you fall in and out of the sweet spot, so you have to continuously
29:46Speaker 4mess it around. I said it last time. I'm finding my sweet spot of men because I fell out of it. I'm 49 now. And
29:52Speaker 4right?
29:53Speaker 4And that's what, like Will just said, you gotta do the research.
29:57Speaker 4And just because your buddy at the gym says, take more or whatnot,
30:01Speaker 4how do you feel?
30:03Speaker 1I think for men and honestly and I'm sorry for women, like, your sex drive and your, like, sexual function is I don't know. I think that's my, like, my personal, like, barometer. For sure. Healthy. I'm talking about just just any health. Right? Like, that's
30:17Speaker 4an absolute telltale sign. Yeah. Because if it's the same thing, like, we we talk about all the time. Like, when Will and are talking about, like, semaglutide and tirzepatide, like, you stop wanting to be hungry. Like, God gives us hunger for a reason. That's why we like Retatrutide.
30:30Speaker 4Right? Mhmm. Like, you're supposed to be horny. I don't care if you're 60. You're supposed to be horny. Yeah. Like, it's a natural thing that God gave us. People just think that I'm getting old, so, like, I'm I'm supposed to be tired and feel like shit and have cloudy head and all that stuff. No. You need to fix it. You gotta find your blood work, and it does it's a pain in the butt sometimes when you gotta do stool test and this test and that test. It sucks.
30:52Speaker 4But I wanna run prime. And when I'm 65, I hope I still am running prime.
30:57Speaker 1You know what I mean? For sure. Because I wanna feel like shit. Hell no. And luckily, technology is there to really help us, but but it's not all about always just taking a new drug. Yeah. It's it's it's these are optimized. Peptides, right, are for, like, people to optimize. Right? Baseline stuff needs to be taken care of. Right? Healthy habits, etcetera. These are all just optimized. Yeah. It's full and pouring fuel on the fire. When the fire is burning and you throw you put some peptides on, now peptide's working. Yeah. But if you try to, like, light the Don't just start your fire with Don't work. With a big block of wood and lighter flow. Right. Take an AOD, you'll take that kind of pain. Firewall bite. Alright.
31:31Speaker 1So next 1. I'm 38 year old male, currently taking 200 of testosterone cypionate per week along with Reta, Glow, Melanotan 1, and MOTS-C.
31:41Speaker 1Have I a question about BP-one hundred 57. Right now, I inject BP-one hundred 57 directly into my shoulder to help old power lifting and football injuries. Good. Good. Good. And it seems to work well for that, as it should. I'm also interested in using BP-one 7 to support gut health. Instead of taking the oral capsule form, I was wondering if using sublingual
31:59Speaker 1under the tongue version would provide similar benefits. Does sublingual BPC work as well as oral BPC for gut health, or is the capsule form still a better option? Good question.
32:10Speaker 1Very unique. I have an opinion on this 1. Is
32:14Speaker 1yes. So you're doing the BPC,
32:17Speaker 1the injectable, absolutely. Put that thing right where the injury is. That's that is that's perfect. A lot of peptides that are being turned into orals
32:25Speaker 1work better, some of them, some of them work better as sublinguals because it bypasses their stomach acid and the the gut breakdown. Right. The thing is though, folks, like,
32:35Speaker 1your BPC was made naturally
32:38Speaker 1in the gastric juices. This is where it comes from. That's its home that's like, it's like Bane who's like, I was born in the dark. You just adapted to it.
32:46Speaker 1I would so why do it sublingual? Take the pill. Put it right where it should where it was born and where it will really, really work. Okay?
32:53Speaker 1I get the sublingual
32:56Speaker 1thing
32:57Speaker 4for for other peptides because, yeah, sometimes those that stomach acid juices kinda break them down, but BPC, nope. Take the take capsules. Take it. Swallow it right into the stomach. It will work way better. Yeah. It has to go to the gives more exposure to the GI tract, and that's what you want. Yes. Where the the the sublingual won't do that. For the BPC, you wanna fix the gut. So if you're taking, SLU-p,
33:19Speaker 4we believe Mhmm. That sublingual is better for SLU-p. I even I I've ran all of them.
33:25Speaker 4SLU-3.1
33:27Speaker 4oral, sublingual. And I'm gonna tell you, I think that it's sublingual by far. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyways. And that's why, like, there is, you know, 100 mg,
33:36Speaker 1SLU-3.5 capsules, right, to be taken orally. Now Yeah. I had a conversation with somebody on this recently. They're so they're dosed at 100 mg because you're not because you're because you're not getting you're not getting all the hundred milligrams.
33:48Speaker 1But their dose is so damn high, so you do still get a decent amount. Decent amount. Amount. That's what somebody don't I can't remember who was talking about this.
33:55Speaker 4But they were saying they get they think that you get about 40, which is still a lot. 40%. Alright. That's still 40 mg. Right? Wow. There's like, holy shit. Yeah.
34:03Speaker 1That's 60. My guess is that's probably. Would
34:07Speaker 4agree. Right. Yeah. Alright. So, hey, guys.
34:09Speaker 4Love the podcast. Thank you for the knowledge you share with us. I just have a question about how long you keep a reconsidated bottle of Retta.
34:16Speaker 4I just finished my 1st 20 mg vial starting off at 1 mg and maxed out
34:23Speaker 4to just under
34:24Speaker 42 mg per week. The bottle lasted just under 12 weeks with no issues. I was able to lose about 5 kg
34:31Speaker 4and as a female now weighing 59 kilos.
34:35Speaker 4I'm stoked with the results. However, our new supplier is saying that we should discard the bottle up 28 days.
34:41Speaker 4Due to risk of a bacteria, this means I would waste a lot of the product. Thoughts?
34:47Speaker 4I am worried about safety risk. Thanks again.
34:51Speaker 4I don't think that it's I don't think that you don't it's not
34:56Speaker 4the worry isn't that it's not gonna work
35:00Speaker 4after 30 days. It's bacteria
35:03Speaker 4from you injecting in and out. Mhmm. Right? So it's the steer the the sterile sterility of the bottle.
35:10Speaker 4I'll tell you my opinion
35:12Speaker 4on me.
35:13Speaker 4I don't care. I think I'm fine. I injected some bad stuff in my body. I'm not worried about that. I want the peptide to work. And I mean, if you can't, that would mean you couldn't do a 30 mg bottle of
35:25Speaker 4of Retrutide
35:26Speaker 4if you're running that amount because it would it would go. So
35:29Speaker 4my opinion is, dude, don't
35:32Speaker 1waste it. You're fine. That's Clean the bottle. Like, you'll be fine. Yeah. The supplier silly. They probably wanna sell more. Exactly. I was gonna say like this. The new supplier tells you that. That's great. So throw your bottle away halfway and buy another 1. There
35:45Speaker 1but but also so the there's, like, this pharmacological
35:48Speaker 1just standard
35:49Speaker 1that that's, like, 28 days is how long bacterial stat or benzyl alcohol
35:55Speaker 1can
35:55Speaker 1ward off new incoming bacteria. Okay?
36:00Speaker 1It doesn't mean that 28 days, oh, it's done working completely. Like, it's just it's dead. And, like, it's wide open. Right? Totally. We add so just, I guess, make sure that you're not just using sterile water. Make sure you're using bacterial static water, right, which has benzyl alcohol in it.
36:16Speaker 1And, I mean, I agree with Jay. So so they're kinda just telling you what is the standard, and it's like Which is the which is out there. But, like, I've done it long after that. So
36:25Speaker 1But I'm still pissed.
36:27Speaker 1But, you know, you're gonna just try to minimize the puncture holes and in the environment that you're that you're puncturing that bottle. Right? I've
36:36Speaker 1been doing JD and I have been injecting stuff for 15 years.
36:40Speaker 1Lots of it. I've never you I've never had any infection
36:45Speaker 1ever anything ever.
36:47Speaker 1But I know people that have. Right? But, like
36:50Speaker 1but I also am not dirty. Like, don't don't work out with all bunch of nasty sweat on you and then go puncture your skin,
36:57Speaker 4right, and make a hole in your skin. Well, listen. Like, be clean. So I I I did I did a video. Maybe I'll do it again. So
37:04Speaker 4I it was either after I slept. It wasn't after I worked out. It was after I took a shower and, like, I kinda lived life for a few hours.
37:11Speaker 4And I was cleaning my shoulder with a little Yeah.
37:15Speaker 4I I showered not that long ago, and I was like, holy shit. Woah. That's why you clean it. Just clean the area. Like, we're not bad at that. I'm not even gonna tell you that I do that every time. Yeah. I would be totally lying because I rarely do it, but, like, even I was like, wow. I should probably
37:30Speaker 4so
37:30Speaker 4it's the risk tolerance. If you're a super, super, super, super, super, like, worried person,
37:35Speaker 4then don't do it the way. Buy buy
37:38Speaker 4a smaller dose bottle. Yeah. You know, just think through it. Yeah. But, like, you're
37:42Speaker 4gonna be fine. Mhmm.
37:44Speaker 4No big. I agree with him. Like, I I don't think I've ever even used an alcohol swab. I've never Like to say that I'd like to tell you that we do. Never.
37:51Speaker 1Yeah. We probably should, but Probably should. Actually, I think I have because I know that if you do that, then you inject it stings because you're getting the alcohol is going right into the little wound. But I don't want you know, but, man, if you have a really, like, compromised immune system,
38:06Speaker 1yeah, or you just
38:09Speaker 1buy a smaller bottle that you know based on your dose that will that you will use it. Totally.
38:14Speaker 4Alright. So it's different milligrams, man. Yep. Alright. Am I up? You are.
38:19Speaker 4Hello from The UK.
38:21Speaker 4Thank you both for the podcast. I have got back. I got my stack sorted.
38:25Speaker 4Hoping you can help me sort my husband's TRT.
38:28Speaker 4He's 54,
38:30Speaker 46 foot 3, 200 pounds, 28%
38:33Speaker 4body fat loss, 56 pounds on Tirzepatide.
38:36Speaker 4Now on Retatrutide,
38:38Speaker 45 megs,
38:40Speaker 4truck driver, Monday through Friday, only sleeps 5 to 6 hours,
38:44Speaker 4CrossFit strength trains,
38:46Speaker 44 times a week,
38:48Speaker 4high ab abdomen
38:50Speaker 4fat, low libido, tired, no motivation, no energy.
38:54Speaker 4Total T 3 96, we are finding the culprit.
38:57Speaker 4Free testosterone,
38:58Speaker 47.8.
39:00Speaker 4Oh.
39:01Speaker 4SB
39:02Speaker 4SHBG,
39:03Speaker 463.29,
39:04Speaker 4estradiol,
39:06Speaker 434.7,
39:08Speaker 4albumin
39:09Speaker 4albumin. Albumin. Albumin, the 4.4, LH 5.25,
39:14Speaker 4FSH
39:15Speaker 43.02
39:16Speaker 4or 3, prolactin 5.1. Sorry, that's a lot. What TRT protocol would you recommend
39:22Speaker 4also having IGF-one
39:24Speaker 4test soon with a view
39:27Speaker 4to both starting HGH?
39:29Speaker 4How long before should I stop? Tessa Ipa.
39:32Speaker 4Nice.
39:33Speaker 4So he hasn't started. That's why. So, I mean, there's your culprit right there, 396And7Point8.
39:38Speaker 1That's why he retired. So we have no sex drive. Easy peasy. Yes. You also have lost 56 pounds. So here's the thing. Again, like, that massive weight loss Okay. Is going to increase your SHBG.
39:50Speaker 1Yep.
39:52Speaker 1And and your estradiol
39:55Speaker 1is pretty high
39:57Speaker 1in relativity
39:59Speaker 1to your total testosterone.
40:01Speaker 1It just is. And the reason why probably is because of the 28% body fat. Right? You have a lot of, like, aromatization activity happening in stored fat.
40:10Speaker 1And at 28% body fat as a male
40:14Speaker 1I think so. Right?
40:15Speaker 1Yeah. Yeah. Yep. 54.
40:18Speaker 1Yeah. Okay. At 54 years old, right, you're you're going to have higher estradiol.
40:23Speaker 1And,
40:25Speaker 1yeah, s b is HBG is going to be high?
40:29Speaker 4And what's the question? So, like, actually, these are all What are the TRT protocol would you recommend? What TRT? I'm not really
40:36Speaker 4Okay. Understand where they went, but, like, TRT.
40:39Speaker 1Yes.
40:40Speaker 1I would do TRT. I would go to the doctor, get your blood and and you just did your blood test. What does the doctor say? TRT. Right? I always everybody's different. Like, we've talked about it. I mean, if we're looking at
40:51Speaker 1the doctor's probably gonna give you TES-1.8.
40:54Speaker 1That's in U. And U. S. Give you TES-3E. I think it is TES-18E. But frankly,
40:59Speaker 1there's no difference in dude. Who cares? You know what's crazy? Because you got the TES-3E that's generally 300 mgs, and the TES-SIP is 200 mgs, so it's less shooting. Like, it's just a higher dose. Yeah. Have to stay. Right. You'd you'd have to do less oil. But every doctor generally starts people off pretty low and then come back in, a month, and we take the blood test and see how much you raise so they don't just overdose it. But, you know, 180 100
41:24Speaker 1to 100 maybe to 200 mg a
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41:45Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
41:53Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
42:01Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
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42:20Speaker 1Daily is going to be the absolute best to keep your levels as level and consistent as possible. When you're just starting out though, dude Yeah. It sucks doing Maybe, Judy. Wanna do it daily. Yeah. It gets old, but, like, I do 3. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Mhmm.
42:33Speaker 1And
42:34Speaker 1that is what I would do, and I would have that doctor
42:38Speaker 1that's what the doctor will probably have him do.
42:41Speaker 1The total test is $3.96,
42:44Speaker 1so it depends on what doctor you go to, though. Okay?
42:46Speaker 1I don't know about about The UK, but if you go to an HMO in The United States, they will not give you they will not give you testosterone
42:54Speaker 1because you are not below
42:56Speaker 1that prescribing recommendation, which is 200 to 215
42:59Speaker 1nanograms per deciliter.
43:01Speaker 1But still 3 96 is pretty low.
43:04Speaker 1And that's low, and you should not have to live basically, you shouldn't have to live like that. No.
43:10Speaker 1But keep working at burning getting the fat off, and life and everything will be easier. Right? It's like a snowball gathering momentum either way.
43:18Speaker 1The higher the fat, the more estrogen, the lower the testosterone. Right? And though and that and those all just keep separating, separating, separating.
43:27Speaker 1Tesso, how long before should I stop the Tesso? Also, having IGF-one test suit with a view
43:34Speaker 1with a view to both starting HGH.
43:37Speaker 1How long before should I stop tesa ipa?
43:41Speaker 1I don't understand, but if you want if you're taking Tessa Ipah, you wanna take HGH. Yeah.
43:47Speaker 15 days.
43:49Speaker 1Let's go 5 days. It's so fast. K. 5 days out off. Also, guys, like, if those of you who are testing your HGH and your IGF-one levels based on your HGH to see how good your HGH is, there is a huge freaking difference. Yeah. If you take that HGH dose
44:04Speaker 1an hour before you take your test or that morning, you should be taking these blood tests fasted, by the way, so you should be going and taking them in the morning. So let's assume you you inject your HGH that morning, take your test versus you did your HGH a day ago or 2 days ago, the
44:21Speaker 1the result is gonna be radically
44:23Speaker 1different. So
44:24Speaker 1just be aware. Don't be like, oh, this idiot sucks. Yeah. I did my I did my injection 2 days before my blood test, and
44:32Speaker 1no wonder it's showing like nothing. That's why you have to inject daily because it's fast in and fast out. In fact, lots of people inject it twice a day,
44:40Speaker 1okay, for that same exact reason.
44:43Speaker 1Yeah.
44:44Speaker 1You got high
44:46Speaker 4abdomen fat. You have a low libido.
44:49Speaker 4You have no motivation.
44:51Speaker 4Let's fix it. Yeah. For the love of God, my brother, you are gonna feel great. Now it's not gonna all your problems go away, but, dude, remember how it feels to feel horny? Like, you see your bride walk in, you're like, dude.
45:04Speaker 4Like,
45:05Speaker 4Lucy looking good.
45:06Speaker 4Right? Like, that's how you should be, dude. And, like, it's really easy. Like, 3 weeks 3 weeks or so, you'll feel bad. You know? You wanna obviously, like, go slow. Like Will said, maybe 1 50, maybe 1 80.
45:18Speaker 4Maybe for the 1st
45:20Speaker 43 weeks a month, you take 1 80 to 200 to just get that stuff in you. You can adapt. You know, we're not gonna say you're gonna you're gonna need to find a sweet spot, dude. But, man, you're gonna feel like a man again. You're gonna have sex drive again. You're gonna have motivation again. You won't be tired.
45:36Speaker 4Mhmm. Can't wait.
45:38Speaker 4Can't wait for you to, like because that's not how you're supposed to feel, dude.
45:41Speaker 1Yep. I'm
45:43Speaker 1Reed Reed. So hi, guys. 57 year old active female on HRT t 3 and 4. 0, wait. T 3
45:52Speaker 1and 4 mg Retta once a week as I close in on my body recomp goals. No stranger to peptides. I've used AOD,
46:00Speaker 1SLU-, GLOW, Tessa, and IpA in the past. My question is about the newer thinking regarding the timing of Tessa
46:06Speaker 1and or IpA given the possible slower gastric emptying with Retta.
46:11Speaker 1I purchased them as individual peptides, not a combo. Tessa Ipam, I'm guessing.
46:17Speaker 1Should both be taken in the AM to ensure a truly fasted state given
46:22Speaker 1the Reta, or is it more important that the Tessa be in a fasted state in the Ipamorelin could be taken in the evening? Last time I last time I did a course, I used 500 to 750 mg of Tessa plus 250 mg of IpA.
46:36Speaker 1I saw gains, but definitely retained water until I came off. Yeah. I'm so grateful for the content you put out, especially the recent interviews with other educators in the field. Right on. Awesome.
46:45Speaker 4Alright. So
46:47Speaker 1Yeah. You you 1st of all, since
46:49Speaker 1I just read the dosing portion Yeah. You happen to be at basically the highest, like, limiting
46:56Speaker 1dose
46:57Speaker 1effect. So the fact that you are getting water retention means that that dose right here that you're talking about Too much. Is about the highest that you're you can get. Okay? It also means that the stuff's working. So it means it also, you know, it means working. That, like, your this the red,
47:15Speaker 1slow gastric emptying is not blunting
47:18Speaker 1that,
47:20Speaker 1the tesa ipa so much for it not to be working, by the way. So dosing wise,
47:26Speaker 1don't go any higher because that's what they like, this limiting factor.
47:31Speaker 1Dose limiting factor is this water retention. Sorry. There's nothing you can do to kind of offset that other than not take more. No. Just take less.
47:40Speaker 1I guess there is a little bit of and you're right about your question.
47:44Speaker 1Now what we're not worried about, 1st of all, in the fasted if you're not in a if you're it's not about your stomach being empty. Right? It's about nutrients
47:55Speaker 1and especially kind of sugars circulating
47:57Speaker 1in your body
47:58Speaker 1that compete for pathways
48:01Speaker 1with the Tessa and IpA.
48:04Speaker 1And
48:05Speaker 1therefore, the slow gastric emptying,
48:08Speaker 1it's at a it's it's it's a it's a graph that is slowly going down. Right? And you're the right after you eat, yeah, cool. You're getting all the nutrients. But, really, for
48:17Speaker 1you know, a day later,
48:19Speaker 1you're not flooded with nutrients even though you might still feel a bit full. Right? The slowed gastric emptying. Your body really kinda sucks out the nutrients
48:27Speaker 1out of that food pretty fast even though
48:30Speaker 1it's taking longer to go through your stomach.
48:33Speaker 1So to play it safe and so
48:36Speaker 1the other question, I would I would keep Tesa Ipam, keep them together. Don't split those up timing. There's no rationale for that. Keep them together, and they should be together, and they're not limit they are not competing for pathways.
48:48Speaker 1Those are definitely synergistic working together.
48:50Speaker 1I do think that, yes, your best bet
48:53Speaker 1I guess, I think that your best bet is to take your tesa ipa
48:57Speaker 1in the morning after an all night fast
49:01Speaker 1and take your Retta,
49:04Speaker 1hell, a few hours after that.
49:07Speaker 1K? I would take the Retta maybe 4 hours to let that do its thing and
49:12Speaker 1be releasing the least amount of nutrients come the next morning. Yeah.
49:17Speaker 1And, really, I don't know how often you're taking your Retta. Right? I don't know. Once a week, 2, 3 times a week? This is insane. But
49:23Speaker 1Once a week. Once a week. So 4 makes. So cool. You might have 1 of these Tesofipa doses that's maybe slightly blunted because of Loretta, but
49:31Speaker 1the rest of the time,
49:34Speaker 1yeah, not that big of a deal. But I I would do that. I think I personally just think that's that being in a truly fasted,
49:41Speaker 1nutrient circulating state
49:43Speaker 1is more important even though it's not your aligns with your circadian rhythm. Yeah. Versus it aligning your circadian rhythm, but having a whole bunch of nutrients circulating. Yeah, it's been popping up more. It's great. It's a little bit like this has been a good question because like generally Tesamorelin
49:58Speaker 4is gonna mimic your natural pulse. So we would generally say you would take it at night, where Ipah is not so much. You could take it kind of more you could take it in the morning and night.
50:09Speaker 4But I think you answered that well, man. I mean, just take it in the morning and take the the the, Reta after. You could do that, I think, the same thing at night. Oh.
50:17Speaker 4Personally, but,
50:19Speaker 4again,
50:20Speaker 4do both.
50:21Speaker 4How do you feel? Yeah. You know? Have to experiment on yourself. Won't you? Do that for 2. That's all we've done on our Do this 3 weeks 1 way and be very strict and document it. Yeah. And then do it the other way for 3 weeks. I mean, dude, I've done that with testosterone. That's how we know a lot of that stuff about testosterone. I've done it every day. I've done it, like, 3 days. Mhmm. How do I feel the best? You're gonna feel the best by no but, like, then they get sick of pinning. You know? Like but you know it because your own research on you and how you feel is the best reach that you can get.
50:51Speaker 1Yep.
50:52Speaker 4Alright. Am I up? Yes. In the video where you show how to combine 5 peptides into a single injection, do you draw up 10 mg
51:01Speaker 4of each? I think you mean 10 units. Yeah. And then inject the full 50 mg at once. Yes. I do. And make sure that you get that right person because he is not pulling 10 mg and doing 50 mg. I do the math to have
51:15Speaker 4generally to make it easy on myself to
51:19Speaker 4so that's all you do is change the water. It's math. You'll figure it out once you've kinda done this enough that if it says 1 mil, you need to add 2 mil, then it's 0.5. You know? So I do it to 10 units.
51:29Speaker 4So I go in the morning and just go 10 units, 10 units, 10 units, and then yes, it's 50 units, and I inject it all in 1 to answer your question. Yes. Yep.
51:41Speaker 1Units. That's it. I don't know. I don't I have nothing else to respond to. Yeah. Add to that. Okay. Which
51:47Speaker 1is better for muscle growth when over 50 and on a low dose
51:51Speaker 1and on a low dose of GLP 1 of GLP 1. Okay.
51:55Speaker 1CGC-1H
51:56Speaker 1or HGH?
51:57Speaker 1Better to take at night or morning when using a GLP also.
52:01Speaker 1Go ahead, JD. HGH.
52:03Speaker 4Hands down. So it's a good thing. Will be more effective.
52:06Speaker 4You're taking actual
52:08Speaker 4human growth hormone. Yep. So
52:11Speaker 1Yep. And and do you like 50. Yep. And we like we said, in that, the HGH applies same rules that apply to the 2 questions ago.
52:20Speaker 1Just try to separate that dose from your Retta.
52:24Speaker 1Yeah. I do the HGH in the morning. Hell, you can even do HGH in morning and night too. I've doing it. If you want to. I'm doing mean, Josh Holyfield came on and said that's what he does and and really likes it. And J I feel like
52:35Speaker 4feel like I've been sleeping really good since I've been doing that. No. You know? Like, is it a coincidence? I don't know. Whatever. Probably not. Probably not. Yeah. So, and and I was doing I went up to 4 for a bit just to see. I didn't like it. You know? I went back to my sweet spot up 2,
52:50Speaker 4but I tried it and because I've never really gone before.
52:54Speaker 4So I do 1 in the morning now, 1 at night, and it's been great. Mhmm. So, anyways, that's easy. So I'm a 46 year old female with history of 130
53:02Speaker 4pound weight loss. Boom. And about about a 100 pounds lost from diet and exercise. Good for you. And 30 pounds lost,
53:10Speaker 4with the use of GLPs.
53:12Speaker 4Semaglutide
53:13Speaker 4now on to Subside
53:14Speaker 4for maintenance.
53:15Speaker 4Currently between
53:17Speaker 416 to 120
53:19Speaker 4pounds at 5 2 and body fat up 17%
53:21Speaker 4with approximately
53:22Speaker 491 pounds of lean muscle.
53:25Speaker 4I am on a BHRT,
53:29Speaker 4testosterone, progesterone, and estrogen. I lift heavy 4 days a week and have noticed muscle definition for the 1st time ever. Good for you. Good for you. Isn't it cool to see change in your body? Hard work.
53:41Speaker 4Have have been researching HGH, GH secretagogues, and GH releasing peptides.
53:46Speaker 4However,
53:47Speaker 4have a history of a benign,
53:49Speaker 4pituitary
53:50Speaker 4tumor.
53:52Speaker 4Are there any peptides that support muscle growth without direct impact of pituitary?
53:57Speaker 4The tumor has been stable for many years and no longer on cabergoline
54:01Speaker 4to suppress prolactin
54:03Speaker 4levels.
54:04Speaker 1I think we're gonna both agree on this 1, but let's see. And she didn't even ask she didn't even ask if she should take that. She she she so, yeah, don't take don't take ACH or secutide. You'll kill it. Don't do that. But, yes, is there any other peptides that will help her gain muscle
54:21Speaker 1besides
54:22Speaker 1deals that do not act on the pituitary?
54:26Speaker 1You know, there's some,
54:28Speaker 1I don't even
54:42Speaker 1It's not a directly helping with muscle growth, but, like, honestly, like, I would do creatine.
54:47Speaker 4Seriously. That's what I was gonna say. That's probably your best bet. Creatine for a woman's awesome. Crazy. Yeah. Like, you know, creatine, you can do monohydrate. A lot of people think that it bloats them. You
54:58Speaker 4know?
54:59Speaker 4I don't know. I mean, every person should be taking creatine. Like, that's and let's get back to the basics. Diet.
55:06Speaker 4Are you eating enough protein? Women need to eat about 50 40 to 50 g of protein right when they wake up. That's just they need to do that. How's your sleep? How's your stress? Work on those things because you're killing it. Like, not add let's not add in any peptides because you're doing great. Let's add in, like, well, the creatine. Let's make sure your diet's prime. Let's make sure you're getting enough protein.
55:27Speaker 4How much do you weigh? 1 30? Eat about a 130,
55:31Speaker 430, grams of protein.
55:33Speaker 1You're killing it. You're doing great. Yeah. Yeah. You are doing great. You've lost a 130 pounds. You're seeing definition for the 1st time. Like, kicking ass. Yeah. Don't do anything that's gonna give you
55:42Speaker 1that bring anything just detrimental to you back.
55:46Speaker 4Welcome back. What's up? Let's just give him a say. We we we missed our friend. Yeah. We miss you, bro. Congratulations
55:53Speaker 4on your soon to be bride who, you know, we all love. Mhmm. It was awesome to to get to go out to you. We didn't even talk about the our Prague trip. I mean, gosh, that was awesome. I know we did on the last 1, but, man,
56:06Speaker 4I my eyes were
56:08Speaker 4just blown open.
56:10Speaker 4Peter Magic is the coolest dude. He's the most mellow. He doesn't talk shit on anybody. Nope. He's the kindest person. He took his 0.5 of his day to show us around. Yes. He did. And it just I loved it. I had a blast. Yeah. No. Gotta go on. He runs legit lab. Like, poof.
56:27Speaker 1Yes. Other people are doing testing. He's knocked up corners.
56:30Speaker 1Yeah. I hope that you all have labs
56:33Speaker 1facilities like his because then we know it's legit. But, yes, he's doing it big time and absolutely, dude. Like, great integrity. He doesn't talk shit about anybody. Huge.
56:44Speaker 1And definitely been wronged
56:45Speaker 1a lot. Yeah. It's what happened. I mean, unfortunately, the more money you make, the more success you have. Right? Everybody wants
56:52Speaker 1a piece of that wants Yeah. Steal your
56:55Speaker 1Right? He's like, dude, we get I get extortion,
56:58Speaker 1hacking attempts,
57:00Speaker 1all types of stuff all the time. Yeah. And that's such most mellow
57:05Speaker 4dude. You don't know. You would never know it. Nope. His crew is awesome. All the gals and guys that worked there were kind as hell. Mhmm.
57:12Speaker 1It was rad. It was rad. They loved him. They loved his job. And
57:16Speaker 1favorite food in Prague? Pizza.
57:19Speaker 1I'm
57:21Speaker 1sorry, Prague. The
57:23Speaker 4Czech Republic food is not yours. No. So there you Then Question from the crowd was what is your favorite food in Prague? Well, I mean, I'll tell you I'll tell you. You already know because I told you this earlier, but, like, I'll tell you what I my favorite
57:36Speaker 4what I had at Prague, I ate it twice because I loved it so much. And, unfortunately, it wasn't, like, Prague food or whatever that is, like, schnitzel and stuff like that. Yeah. Thank you. I had a steak, and I had some, custodian carnivores. I had steak, and I had,
57:50Speaker 4some, steak tartare
57:51Speaker 4and stuff like that. It was good. And I was walking around and, like, meeting the people. They had an ice cream shop Mhmm. That I ate it every night. And then 1 night I walked, and I wanted the ice cream show back because it was this creamy ice cream, and they closed, and I was so bastards. Yeah. You
58:03Speaker 4know? But, anyways, my favorite that I had was this Indian place that was staring at me. Was right across the the street from this hotel, and I'm like, I don't know about Indian food. I've never I don't even know if I've ever had any food.
58:15Speaker 4But I asked the concierge,
58:17Speaker 4is that Indian food good? Because I'd had a lot of hotel hotel food was good. Well, ate steak and burger patties. Good. It was good. But the hotels and the eggs are like, you don't need anything like, nothing else? Like, no. Burger patty eggs, please. Thanks. But, anyways, I went over there, and it was amazing, dude. Like Yeah. Like, what is it?
58:35Speaker 1Marcelo, tiki Marcelo. Tiki Marcelo. Yeah. Tick till I went back the next day, they're like, talk so soon? Yeah. So It's good. And the Indians can make some spicy food too. Holy You better be careful. Put your glasses up, dude. Spiciness in an Indian food? God. Yeah. It could be really, really good, though. Yeah. I told the guy to hold the camera. Hey, bro. Can you do the camera for me real quick? And I did, like, salad eating. Good view. I actually eat carbs with that 1 because it was so good. The bread and the rice. The naan bread. I just broke carnivore on that. That bread? That yes. Great. God. So the Czech Republic food is very similar to, like, Austrian German.
59:10Speaker 1So it is wiener schnitzel.
59:12Speaker 4Lot of, like, hot doggy stuff.
59:14Speaker 1Yeah. Exactly. Like,
59:16Speaker 1Like, bratwurst, pickled cheese. Yeah.
59:19Speaker 1Ali ordered some we're like, hey. We wanna go to some, like, authentic Czech restaurant, and and the bellhop guy sent us a place, and she's like,
59:26Speaker 1and I don't like Czech food. She's like, it's like chicken
59:29Speaker 1and taco sauce. I don't know what that is. You did have weird sauce, bro. Yeah. It's
59:34Speaker 1funny. You know what I learned? You know what veal is? Yeah. I
59:37Speaker 1had no idea. Do know what happens if you have veal and it's white meat? No.
59:42Speaker 1That means you've eaten a baby cow
59:44Speaker 1before it's
59:46Speaker 1well, it's like, no, it's a cow. Yeah. It's a cow. I thought it was a I always thought it was a sheep. No, it's cow. Yeah, it's a cow. So it's a baby Yeah.
59:54Speaker 1But if you have you you can get white meat veal, and that means that that that baby is under 12 old.
1:00:01Speaker 1Damn.
1:00:02Speaker 1This is like you're eating like a cow fetus. It's kinda gross. Know if I've ever really had it. I'm sure I've taken a bite of it, but it's not something I would order. I ordered it in Italy, and then I I at thought it was I thought it was lamb. I don't know.
1:00:14Speaker 1Lamb. Sheep. I don't like lamb. Do you like lamb? Yes. I do like lamb chops. Absolutely. It's definitely an acquired taste for lamb. But the veal kinda grossed me up.
1:00:23Speaker 1I don't know if you've ever had it. I'm sure I have. But But, yeah, wiener schnitzel, which I think was also like a veal. It's like really flat skirt steak,
1:00:30Speaker 1but schnitzel
1:00:32Speaker 1breaded.
1:00:33Speaker 1I thought that was pretty good.
1:00:35Speaker 1Good trip, man. But it was a great trip. Prague is freaking gorgeous. Gorgeous. And is 1 of the only,
1:00:42Speaker 1capital cities left in Europe that was not devastated in World War 2. And so that's why there are still so many freestanding buildings that are, like, ancient, really, really old,
1:00:50Speaker 1and it is still all together.
1:00:52Speaker 1The only time it was ever injured in World War 2 was when the Americans bombed it on accident thinking it was Dresden.
1:00:59Speaker 4We hired a guy to film, which I'm so glad we did,
1:01:03Speaker 4to come out and film the whole experience.
1:01:07Speaker 4And Yeah. He just loved his job and just gave us so much cool information. He made us stop. I don't know where we stopped at. I don't remember the name of it. Prague Castle. Prague Castle. And we took so many different videos, and he had talked to the guards and let us, like, walk through there and, like, to get the like, you know, we're putting together a YouTube, like, on it because it's so cool. Yeah. It was fun, man. He was he was cool. I like it. I've talked to a few times on what's up. So What's up? What's up, Jon? Hopefully, in case you're watching this I caught him. They kept on a wan. Yeah. He kept calling a wan. I'm like, he's like, so
1:01:37Speaker 1what else? Super funny. On the top of the castle so 1st of all, in Prague Castle, they also had the guards just like at Buckingham Palace, right, that cannot
1:01:46Speaker 1Move. Flinch or move. Yeah. God. That just sucks. I feel bad for past. Hours. But he said they only their shifts only a few hours doing that. On top of the castle gates and I kept saying, that's amazing. There's, like, 20 foot tall
1:01:58Speaker 1statues of like scenes of brutal
1:02:01Speaker 1murder.
1:02:02Speaker 11 dude like with his like bronze club, the club's this big, with his knee on somebody's head with a club like this,
1:02:10Speaker 1And then the other 1, the other side was this was was to do with a with a big ass sword and just impaling someone right through the forehead.
1:02:18Speaker 4So
1:02:20Speaker 1don't mess with the Prague Royalty Castle, I guess? Yeah. A mess.
1:02:24Speaker 4Super fun, man. So listen, guys.
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1:02:55Speaker 4Your whole life will get better. So, Tiffany Marie Davis, she was on last time. Hope you guys loved her. My podcast with her comes out on Tuesday where you get a little bit more of her.
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1:03:20Speaker 1Jake Campbell's coming in Mignana. That'll be fun. That'll be cool. Check out school. There's more
1:03:25Speaker 1I did a
1:03:27Speaker 1presentation
1:03:28Speaker 1out there on the Kavansan biregulators.
1:03:30Speaker 1So, like, Doctor. Kavinson's Russian
1:03:33Speaker 1scientist who long time ago, right, was the 1 who basically, like, started the research into peptides and especially bioregulators and was the 1 who'd done all the
1:03:41Speaker 1and there is the known as, like, the Kevinson peptides.
1:03:46Speaker 1And so if you wanna learn more about that, I just thought that because, like, Epitalon,
1:03:50Speaker 1there's some other some other ones that we talk about all the time. If you're all interested in where the original research is
1:03:58Speaker 1on those or what the hell is bioregulator is versus a peptide,
1:04:01Speaker 1go to our school. Check it out. A lot of it. A lot of info in Like, we we have we've actually been trying to get a vet
1:04:08Speaker 1to come in and discuss peptides.
1:04:10Speaker 1Now it's tough. There's absolutely
1:04:12Speaker 1no use in the veterinary medicine for for dogs and pet dogs. Like, no approved use. And so it's hard to get a licensed professional that will come on and say anything. Now we do have we did we have been talking to a vet who's
1:04:26Speaker 1willing to talk about potential advances.
1:04:28Speaker 1Yeah. It's safe to say.
1:04:30Speaker 1And so if if I've heard. If yeah. If that interests people, let us know. Yeah. I think a lot of people do. Yeah. Give us feedback, man. We listen. We read them all,
1:04:40Speaker 4and we appreciate all your kind comments. You know, some of your unkind comments, we don't appreciate those on our Instagram after we went to Prague and try to give you good info, but, hey, there's always dickheads in the crowd. Always dickheads.
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