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0:54Speaker 2Welcome back to the pepatide of the week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham across the way. Finally back, our buddy.
1:01Speaker 2Good to be back, mister William T. Haas. We all missed you. It's crazy that 2 weeks felt like a lifetime. It did. We didn't talk to you much. You were enjoying your trip as you should.
1:12Speaker 2We missed you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Put your hair down there. Well, I were laughing because I think it was Justin Wetzel that actually told us this, but he said, you don't have a business if you can't leave it for 2 weeks and it doesn't fall apart. Right. So when I do finally talk to Will, I say, hey, Bill. At least we know we got a business. Yeah. That's right. Yep. That's right. You know what I mean?
1:30Speaker 2But congrats, man. Congrats on how you looked like the trip was great. It was it was awesome. Posting pictures and stuff. It was awesome. The proposal, I guess, 2 good things. Yeah. I wasn't. Let let you we even talk about it. So were you nervous? I was not nervous, actually. No. Really? No. I wasn't nervous.
1:46Speaker 3I was excited to get it done with, and the problem is I had it planned for early in the vacation, right, on a boat ride,
1:55Speaker 3but that boat ride got canceled because of weather. By the way. Which was good because they also lost their bags.
2:01Speaker 3They found them, ultimately. But so I wanted to do it early in the vacation, but it had it was delayed about 4 days.
2:09Speaker 3but anyway, we got it. We had a private boat. Dude, the captain, Giovanni, was was awesome, drove us to Capri.
2:15Speaker 3And I had told the captain, hey, I want to propose to her sometime this boat trip. And then so about 10 minutes in, he kinda walks with me and says, so how do you wanna do it? Because he's done like thousands of these. All these boat drivers, dude, he's like, this, I've done, like, it's, like, countless times.
2:30Speaker 3And I said, I go, I don't know, dude. Like, maybe somewhere on somewhere on land, like, away from people.
2:36Speaker 3Think about that. And then we were we were riding the boat another 15 minutes, and Allie just like she's like, I just love being on a boat. And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. Like, she
2:44Speaker 3likes being on a boat. Like, that's where she actually is really, really happy. I will just propose to her on the boat. Yeah. So I went back and I said, hey, dude. Let's swim because I kinda wanna be refreshed and, like, get the nerves out, you know, jump in some water and and be refreshed. I said, just let's find us a spot that's kinda isolated where we can jump off.
3:01Speaker 3And he's like, okay. I'll bring, like, the champagne bottles out while you guys are swimming, which was nor which is not out of the normal. Like, right, they have that. For sure. So
3:11Speaker 3and she she, like, does a perfect backflip off the boat, which is impressive, which is 1 of the main reasons 1 of the main reasons, but I really like her and love her. 1 1 big reason because she's athletic.
3:22Speaker 3That's funny. Sorry. Just that's just 1 of my things. So she does a backflip. I go in. The water's incredibly warm. We get up. And then as I'm we're getting up, and I'm like, hey. Do you want a towel to dry your hair? And I, like, talked to Bodaro. I was like, shit. I should she's not gonna be very happy with looking like a drowned round, but I don't like with the pictures of me proposing with her hair all wet. You know? I don't think like that. Yeah. Do. That was like, oh, shit. I didn't catch that 1 yet. Yeah. Oops. But it was and then I said, okay, dude. I guess I'm gonna do it. And so the guy's like, okay. So he brought the champagne, he was filming. I said, hey, get this.
3:57Speaker 3and I did and then I did my thing. You know, I went down in the I bought her this Louis Vuitton box, like a little ring box made by Louis Vuitton. It's way too expensive. But
4:11Speaker 3I could just see it now, me, like, rambling a little bit, right, and going like, I think I really wanna spend the rest of my life with, yeah. You know what? Let's see how this right? Was like, just shut up and say what's necessary.
4:23Speaker 3I just said, like, I love you, and I wanna spend the rest of my life with you. Good. Will you marry me?
4:34Speaker 3Giovanni's like, dude, you're the you're the I've done thousands of these, and you're the easiest
4:39Speaker 3proposal I've ever done. Got it. He's like, most dude guys are just so uptight and want everything all perfect.
4:46Speaker 3Fuck it. But it was natural, and was good, and she liked it that way too. Like, you know, it's in her natural state. Her hair's wet. She's she was actually surprised,
4:57Speaker 3The the ring was a bit too big, and so it was spinning because the rock was so big also, though. It
5:09Speaker 3And we found somebody in Positano. There was a jeweler who had his own little lab. They could resize it, and then it was too tight.
5:17Speaker 3And then loosened it up a little bit, and now it's and it's perfect. Yeah. That's right. But we are so I guess 2 things. That went off that went off perfect. It couldn't have been, I don't know, couldn't have been better. Like, just life is what it is. Right? We deal with deal with hurdles and
5:32Speaker 3shit's Auto man. Gonna be perfect. Do that. And that's how it should be. It's not black and white. It's messy as shit. It's gray.
5:39Speaker 3And then her and I went on a long long vacation. Right? It was, like, damn, 2 weeks of just her and I. Yeah. And at the end of the vacation, we didn't have we didn't never, like, have we never fight. Right? There's a few times that we got frustrated with each other. Yeah.
5:51Speaker 3But that's, like, normal, but we we still we still like each other after the vacation. So that's a positive.
6:04Speaker 3and we still love each other and still want to still wanna get married, and it'll be easy marriage.
6:12Speaker 3he's like, you guys aren't gonna wear, like, tuxedos and stuff, are you? Monkey suits? I was like, in fact, no. I would love not to. Exactly.
6:25Speaker 2But it was a long time. It didn't felt like a long time. You're gone a long time. Yep. So Will is it was which he does he checked out, and, like, I was surprised. And I was happy for him because, like, we've worked our ass off for the last year and 0.5, and he deserved it. And so
6:42Speaker 2I was a little surprised because you've never done that. I've never So once we realized that you were doing that, we were stoked. Yeah. And thank you for allowing me to do You deserve it. You're getting married, and, like, you're in the I was of a lifetime. Yeah. And, like, that doesn't come around, and, the place didn't burn down. We're still doing good. We had a lot of hiccups. Yeah. Yeah.
7:09Speaker 2You know, with businesses, and we're 50 50 on our businesses and whatnot, I can't ever really make decisions without them. So it's good to have you back. And we miss you, man, because we love you. Mhmm. You're the place is never complete when we're not complete. Yeah. If even 1 person's gone that's a part of the family is
7:24Speaker 2Yeah. It's they're not here. But, we got still big stuff coming, man. I mean, school is blowing up. I love that people love it. We're continuing to grow school.
7:34Speaker 2We're doing some outside the box stuff. I'm gonna throw this out there. Will and didn't discuss talking about So we are starting to cultivate. I've had it in my heart forever since I've been doing the fitness channel about, like, a weekend with
7:46Speaker 2just some dudes that I respect. And now that, you know, our channels have grown and, like, we're you know, have met some people that we respect, blah blah blah,
7:55Speaker 2We we wanna do something big with, like, Warrior Makers and, Lions Not Sheep. So, my mentor, is Mark Moss and, Justin Wetzel,
8:03Speaker 2big names that we at least think that they're big names. We wanna do a weekend. And, so we have a call with them at 05:00, Sean,
8:15Speaker 2And I think it's gonna be cool. It will be. The timing has never been right. It's been in my heart forever. I almost did it when I was just doing a fitness thing, and I starting to put it together, but timing has to be right. But,
8:30Speaker 2they were like, what's the goal? I'm like, I've I've researched stuff. I turned into you, man. I researched it. I've been chatting PT and a lot of the different stuff, and it's been kinda eye opening because
8:40Speaker 2the motivation is to change lives, man. And, statistically speaking, there will be a lot of people that come that they don't do nothing with it. Yep. And that's just the way it is. So, like, let's say 3% take it and do something with their lives. I said, I'm happy with that. Uh-huh. I'm happy with that. You know, we get a share stage and with some dudes that we respect, and we get to talk about maybe business a little bit and talk about,
9:02Speaker 2motivation and talk about, like, maybe some, stuff that we've been through. Yeah. Yeah. The sobriety stuff.
9:10Speaker 3It is cool. It would be like a full, well rounded, like, growth weekend. Right? Financial. We got Mark Moss and Joe Brown, dude. Right? Like, fully like, a full spectrum. So, like, physical Yep. Mental, spiritual, financial,
9:31Speaker 2which, you know, these need to be cultivated, wolves and gongs. But, like, you know, we had asked all the dang time about coaching stuff, like fitness stuff, and, like, we have been so busy that we haven't been able to do that. Now we're staffed to the degree where we have that. So we're we're putting together some coaching stuff,
9:47Speaker 2and, we found a guy that will be amazing. You know? Will and I will pop on and we'll do a lot of the stuff too with business and motivation and,
9:55Speaker 2so they're big stuff, dude. Big stuff. Yeah. It's tough to just rent. Behind the behind the weekend, we do not this
10:02Speaker 3so a lot of these retreats that people do, these workshops that was like, oh, teach you a business. Right? They're just a sales pitch Yeah. For
10:10Speaker 3you pay a lot decent amount of money. Totally. But the whole point of that is to sell you on something else. Right? Right. This is not that. Most. Yeah. Yeah. We have no we have no ulterior
10:19Speaker 2sales pitch. My, like, my motto, you know, and people probably hear me say it all the time, but it's like, do big shit. Like, meaning, like, surround yourself with guys that like and that's how we think here. You you know mean? Look at school. Like, Will's put too much stuff in time with that and, like, we're gonna grow it. We're gonna do good stuff. And, like, we wanna bring people on this podcast
10:39Speaker 2we learn from and you learn from. I mean, that's the I mean, we have doctor Chesnut that's coming on. You know, he's he's busy, but he's coming on. Doctor Kissenia,
10:52Speaker 2She's coming on, and she and I have been rapping quite a bit on social media. She's awesome. I I I I think she's awesome. Jay Campbell, who's been on here before, is coming in. Yeah. He's coming in. Lives will be sitting at this table tomorrow,
11:12Speaker 2doctor Scott is gonna dig into blood work. And I think, we're gonna really dig deep into blood work on for women. Where do I where do where do women's,
11:25Speaker 2free testosterone? Where do men's because what western medicine says is just this wide range, and it's not necessarily where healthy people should be. So Scott's gonna dig into that. And he's also seeing a lot of men come on who are on gear, which for you people that know what that means, steroids.
11:41Speaker 2And he's seeing a lot of men's blood work jacked, and he wants to talk about it because he's seeing kind of a a fear in that. And, yeah. I said, come on, bro. We would love to talk about that stuff. So we're gonna bring as many people on that are we can think of that are gonna give
11:57Speaker 2where you can make education educated guesses for or or educated choices for your life, us too.
12:04Speaker 2You know? We're all under construction. We're never a complete will, and I say it all the time. We don't act like we know it all.
12:10Speaker 2We we we're students of life. We're gonna sit down and, like, we're just blessed to be able to sit down with these people live and talk to them and ask the questions that we wanna know. Mhmm. So big stuff. So those people are all coming on August is just gonna blow your mind. We got big names and big just it's gonna be a lot of fun. So schools pop in. If you're not on there, jump on there. Today is a q and a. It's good to have them back. We'll always start this off. Alright. Okay.
12:39Speaker 3Finally getting my hormones tested. I specifically asked my provider to add estradiol,
12:49Speaker 3thanks to everything I've learned from your podcast. My question is, are there any peptides I should stop taking before my labs to avoid affecting the results? If so, how long before the blood draw should I discontinue them?
13:02Speaker 3Thank you all for the education you've shared. It gave me the confidence to advocate for my for more comprehensive
13:23Speaker 3it's because you're testing for it. So the only thing you don't say you're asking for an IGF-one
13:29Speaker 3test, but my guess is you probably are or you should. That's what I got to. The main things that any secretagogues,
13:35Speaker 3right, that's that's what they test for. So even HGH, they don't test you for your HGH levels. Right? They test you for your IGF-one levels because that's downstream what it really Which is still hard.
13:49Speaker 3will definitely affect that. So if you don't, I would say, you know, 3 to 5 days off of those to have those nonexistent.
14:25Speaker 3If you're I mean, HCG, Kisspeptin, if you're testing in your hormones, your luteinizing hormone or your follicle stimulating
14:41Speaker 3researched thing that I actually found on this after reading this question is biotin. So my guess is people in the fitness world, women especially, are taking biotin from hair, skin, and nails.
14:53Speaker 3that's an easy 1 that will run the risk of of throwing off your lap. So if you are taking any biotin,
15:06Speaker 2Awesome. Anything else? You already answered that, but that's great. So, yeah, I was just gonna say HGH or anything that's gonna affect IGF-one.
15:19Speaker 2it gave me the confidence to advocate for me, more comprehensive testing. That's the whole point of this podcast.
15:28Speaker 2so many people's eyes are opening up, and a lot of you ladies didn't know that you're supposed to get your blood work done.
15:38Speaker 2knowing that women need to get their hormones checked too. So I love seeing that. I love you. Fact that you've kind of listened to some of the people, either us or people could that have come on here. That's what the point is, man. So good stuff. I love it. All right. A 42 year old male who started peptide journey at 300 pounds began with Semaglutide
16:01Speaker 2but the side effects made the experience difficult. No shit. Yeah, Semaglutide is brutal.
16:08Speaker 2I switched to Retatrutide and explored many other peptides. Since then, I've lost 70 pounds.
16:18Speaker 2pounds. Good for you, dude. Huge, huge, huge. I wanted to start a cellular rebuild stack,
16:41Speaker 2overlap them in the middle of each cycle, or do 1 cycle at a time? Great question. Would this also work for my wife who is battling endometriosis?
16:56Speaker 2I've heard 1 mg and 10 mg. Thank you guys for the informative knowledge. Good stuff. Good question. I'll take it 1st just because,
17:10Speaker 2you know, especially once, you know, I've been into peptides for quite a while, but now that they've gone and there's so many, you know, mainly just taking, like, Wolverine and and whatnot when I was, you know, years ago when I was hurt, thinks of this dude.
17:28Speaker 2every time you start to read more and more, you're just like, that sounds awesome and that sounds awesome and let's take them all. And that's kinda even how I started. And,
17:39Speaker 2I think you should maybe run maybe 4 at a time. And that's not exact. You know, you gotta boil down what's my objective? What is my goal? NAD
17:58Speaker 2Yeah. Or you can do 5 Migs 20 days. I just I'd rather get it over. It's a really quick cycle.
18:06Speaker 3So definitely start with that. Yeah. Epitalon, let me interject. So, basically, 100 Migs
18:12Speaker 3twice a year. Yeah. However you accomplish that Every day too much. He he was saying you can do 10 mg for 10 days. There's 100 mg or 5 mg for 20 days. Yeah. Hundred milligrams. So same thing. It's the same thing. It's just Yeah. Like Whatever. A little less for 20
18:27Speaker 2days instead of 10. Alright. But you do 2 cycles a year. 2, yeah. Twice And it's so easy, so that's why I'm saying start that 1. A good friend of ours, Paul Backyard, is on here all the time, starts everybody with that peptide. So run that and glutathione,
18:52Speaker 2I would separate them if it if if you financially can afford it. I just particularly like them separate.
19:07Speaker 2maybe for about a good month, maybe 45 days, and then you can add some of these other ones in. I would start with the SS-thirty 1 before the MOTS c.
19:17Speaker 2We've definitely come a long way when it comes to that. Yeah. That we wanna fix the mitochondria before that we rev the mitochondria up. So run that for at least 3 weeks to a month
19:36Speaker 2I mean, actually, I would start that out. What do we think? Well, I think I would put that in there right away. Shoot, dude. You could do that. I mean, shoot, you could even jump to HGH, which I think is gonna be a better play.
19:48Speaker 2yeah, you wanna you probably because of your age and because of your weight, your your growth hormone's low. So I would definitely add that in there.
19:57Speaker 2I don't think there's necessarily a wrong answer on that except for I would I would wait on the MOTS-three run the SS-thirty 1. I would wait a little bit on the FOX-four.
20:19Speaker 3the whole kitchen sink at the same time It's working. And it's and something good happens, you don't know what caused that something good. Right? If something bad happens, you also don't know what caused that something bad. True. So it is a I think for everybody, like, it's important to do be
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21:54Speaker 3All of those I just named have some have a lot of good research behind them and extensive use.
22:01Speaker 3Fox 0 4, not so much. I'm not saying it's bad for you, but I just I mean, I'll I'm here to say, don't I don't really know if, like It's really trying to get you into autophagy where, like, if you're fasting,
22:13Speaker 2dead cells die off. Yep. Yep. That's really the main objective. I mean, you could do it without that by just fasting. Yep. And and you you would I I would say for your weight and whatnot and your age, I would do the fasting, brother. Yeah. I think you would get a huge benefit for me to catch up. No. You're good. And so, basically, I wanna say and right. He's right. So FOX 4 simplified
22:32Speaker 3the goal is to get rid of dead and dying cells. So get them out of there so then new cells
22:38Speaker 3can be made, like NAD can start making some some new cells replicate those new healthy ones,
22:44Speaker 3get the bad like, just take out the trash as FOX 0 4. So timing wise, I'd probably do FOX 0 4 1st,
23:09Speaker 3the integrity of that actual wall. So then when we do MOTS-three and we push a whole bunch of energy in this mitochondria,
23:15Speaker 3then you don't have this the energy leaking out of this compromised cell wall, and therefore, MOTS-three is not really doing what it's doing, doing what it should be doing.
23:33Speaker 3it doesn't really matter. I just wouldn't throw the kitchen sink in at all. But those those 2 matter. Glutathione
23:40Speaker 3can be ran probably should be ran just like all the time. Totally. Year round. Those are B12. I know people. Yeah. B12 is another thing actually I would probably add in here. I would take a look at your I would def I like the idea of having lost this much weight, like, getting on secretagog is a great idea. Like, GHR HAM, GHRP.
24:12Speaker 3taking all these other things to make sure you're eating actually good, healthy, well rounded meals when you're not fasting.
24:19Speaker 3So that's all I got for that. Good stuff. Okay. Hi, guys. Just discovered your podcast a month ago, and I like, and like another listener I use it for my workout noise. I'm 46 year old male on TRT, hundred and 80 mg,
24:48Speaker 3I have been on both for 3 weeks and currently taking 300 micrograms of Sermorelin, 200 micrograms of Ipah twice a day. Fasted before bed and fasted upon waking. My baseline
25:18Speaker 2Cool. Let me take that. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I I think the most important thing here is, you know, we we always want more. We wanna try more. I think that when you feel good, you wanna feel better. Mhmm.
25:31Speaker 2What jumped out at me is you you went from 2 66 to 2 38, dude. You're winning. Yeah. Like, right? Like, so I guess the most important question here before you say, should you go up is how do you feel?
25:43Speaker 2Do you feel great? So if you feel great, why don't you just let it run its course, man? You're not gonna gain all like, even a bodybuilder's,
25:49Speaker 2it's years and years and years and years that they look like that. Right? Like, to go slow is my point. So if you don't feel prime,
25:58Speaker 2you can maybe go up a little bit. I mean, generally speaking, I don't know, Will, would you say, like, 1 mg of Cimarelin and then, like, 0.5 a mg of Ipiron. I mean, that's not exact.
26:06Speaker 3Yeah. You're taking less than that. Yeah. He has taken it twice a day. So but he is taking it less than You're right. But it's still 600 micrograms. Yeah. Still under. So you can you still can for sure go up.
26:18Speaker 2I think the most important question is how do you feel? If you feel good, I'd leave well enough alone for at least now because you're winning, man. 2 66 to 2 38. You haven't seen me be doing it that long.
26:34Speaker 31st of all, like, your z score is actually pretty is median, you know, and we'll talk with doctor Scott about that. Like, these
26:41Speaker 3ranges are for average Americans, which generally are unhealthy. And so just being in the in the range usually isn't good enough, but still that's not like, oh, that's really low.
26:51Speaker 3I but I also would argue that you don't really have a baseline IGF-one if you're taking secretagogues.
27:00Speaker 3baseline is without any secretagogues. Now maybe you did take this test before you started the secretagogues,
27:09Speaker 3Know this. You've lost a considerable amount of weight, and you're taking Reta. So when we're in that much of a and you have to be in a caloric deficit to be losing 28 pounds or so. Right?
27:23Speaker 3kinda dulls our IGF-one response. Right? Our body isn't building muscle. It's losing weight. Right? You're telling it, I'm in a caloric deficit, to lose to try to lose lose weight. Right? So
27:46Speaker 3it really doesn't do the doesn't really help to just throw more secretagogue at it because we're already blunting the pituitary
27:59Speaker 3will be a bit lower if you're losing a whole bunch of weight. K? Because you're in a caloric deficit.
28:15Speaker 3I don't know, dude. I think that everything else JD said is is is just fine, but you are winning. Right? That's the goal is to keep is to keep doing what you've been doing. Maybe take a look at these things when you plateau out
28:27Speaker 3instead of while you're still on a winning streak. Yeah. Because you will plateau. You will plateau and, like, you let's let's use
28:37Speaker 2you know More. Adding more because things are going great. Right? We get it, though. Like, that's how human nature is. Like, I feel great. I wanna feel more great. Mhmm. Yeah. We're both on recovery. That's what we get it. And, you know, we've said, and it is like, hey. If you lose a bunch of weight, right,
28:51Speaker 3you are inevitably probably losing some muscle, and that's not not what what we want. And so eating a high protein diet and then getting on secretagogues
28:59Speaker 3is the way to to to really try to combat that, but just know when you're taking if we're looking at a blood test, that IGF-one level will be a bit lower,
29:14Speaker 3turn not to I just don't really believe that people should be taking things, playing to a test. I think we should be taking all this stuff, playing to How do you feel? How we feel and how we look as opposed to just like, oh, there's numbers. Gotta tune something. Because we say it all the time. Like, what's the sweet spot? I don't know. Like, Will and I have been running TRT for a long time, and we don't take the same dose. Now granted we're a he's a lot bigger than me, but, like, you're
29:37Speaker 2that's why this doesn't matter. Like, how do you feel? If you feel good, you're sex I said this, I think, in the last podcast, and it's so it's so important.
29:46Speaker 2You're not supposed to be like shit. You're not supposed to have cloudy head. You're supposed to have a sex drive,
29:52Speaker 2and you're supposed to feel good. That's just how god created us. Now that takes work. It takes work. Like like, you know, you fall in and out of the sweet spot, so you have to continuously
30:01Speaker 2mess it around. I said the last time, I'm fine in my sweet spot of men because I fell out of it. I'm 49 now. And right?
30:18Speaker 3I think for men and honestly, and I'm sorry for women, like, your sex drive and your, like, sexual function is I don't know. I think that's my, like, my personal, like, barometer. For sure. Healthy. I'm talking about just just any health. Right? Like, that's an absolute
30:33Speaker 2telltale side. Yeah. Because if it's the same thing, like, we we talk about all the time. Like, when Will and I are talking about, like, semaglutide and tirzepatide, like, you stop wanting to be hungry. Like, God gives us hunger for a reason. That's why we like Retatrut ide. Right? Mhmm. Like, you're supposed to be horny. I don't care if you're 60. You're supposed to be horny. Yeah. Like, it's a natural thing that God gave us. People just think that I'm getting old. So, like, I'm I'm supposed to be tired and feel like shit and have cloudy head and all that stuff. No. You need to fix it. You gotta find your blood work, and it does it's a pain in the butt sometimes when you gotta do stool test and this test and that test. It sucks.
31:12Speaker 3You know what I mean? For sure. Because I wanna feel like shit. Absolutely. Hell no. And luckily, technology is there to really help us. But but it's not all about always just taking a new drug. Yeah. It's it's it's these are optimized. Peptides, right, refer, like, people to optimize. Right? Baseline stuff needs to be taken care of. Right? Healthy habits, etcetera.
31:29Speaker 2These are all just optimized. Yeah. It's pulling pulling fuel on the fire where the fire is burning and you throw you put some peptides on. Now peptide's working. Yeah. But if you try to, like, light the Don't just start your fire with Don't work. With a big block of wood and lighter flow. Right. Take an AOD to take a Firewall
31:45Speaker 3Alright. So next 1, I'm 38 year old male, currently taking 200 mgs of testosterone cypionate per week along with Reta, Glow, Melanotan 1, and MOTS-seven.
31:56Speaker 3I have a question about BP-one hundred 57. Right now, I inject BP-one hundred 57 directly into my shoulder to help old power lifting and football injuries. Good. Good. And it seems to work well for that, as it should. I'm also interested in using BP-one to support gut health. Instead of taking the oral capsule form, I was wondering if using sublingual
32:14Speaker 3under the tongue version would provide similar benefits. Does sublingual BPC work as well as oral BPC for gut health, or is the capsule form still a better option? Good question.
32:31Speaker 3the injectable, absolutely. Put that thing right where the injury is. That's that is that's perfect. A lot of peptides that are being turned into orals
32:40Speaker 3work better, some of them, some of them work better as sublinguals because it bypasses their stomach acid and the the gut breakdown. Right. The thing is, though, folks, like,
32:53Speaker 3in the gastric juices. This is where it comes from. That's its home that's like, it's like Bane who's like, I was born in the dark. You just adapted to it.
33:01Speaker 3I would so why do it sublingual? Take the pill. Put it right where it should where it was born and where it will really, really work. Okay?
33:11Speaker 2for for other peptides because, yeah, sometimes those that stomach acid juices kinda break them down, but BPC, nope. Take the take capsules. Take it, swallow it right into the stomach. It will work way better. Yeah. It has to go to the gives more exposure to the GI tract, and that's what you want. Yes. Where the the the sublingual won't do that. For the BPC, you wanna fix the gut. So if you're taking, SLUIP,
33:42Speaker 2oral, sublingual. And I'm gonna tell you, I think that it's sublingual by far. Yeah. Yeah. So,
33:53Speaker 3to be taken orally. No. Yeah. I had a conversation with somebody on this recently. They're so they're dosed at 100 mg because you're not because you're because you're not getting you're not getting all the hundred milligrams.
34:03Speaker 0But their dose is so damn high, so you do still get a decent amount. Decent amount. Like, what somebody I don't I can't remember who was talking about this,
34:10Speaker 2but they were saying they get they think that you get about 40, which is still a lot. 40 percent. Alright. That's still 40 mg. Right? Wow. Dude's like, holy shit. Yeah.
34:24Speaker 2Love the podcast. Thank you for the knowledge you share with us. I just have a question about how long you keep a reconsidered bottle of Retta.
34:37Speaker 2to just 2, just under 2 mg per week. The bottle lasted just under 12 weeks with no issues.
34:50Speaker 2I'm stoked with the results. However, our new supplier is saying that we should discard the bottle up 28 days.
35:18Speaker 2from you injecting in and out. Mhmm. Right? So it's the steer the the sterile sterility of the bottle.
35:28Speaker 2I don't care. I think I'm fine. I injected some bad stuff in my body. I'm not worried about that. I want the peptide to work. And I mean, if you can't, that would mean you couldn't do a 30 mg bottle of
35:48Speaker 3it. You're fine. That's Clean the bottle. Like, you'll be fine. Yeah. The supplier silly. They probably wanna sell more. Exactly. I was gonna say like this. The new supplier tells you that, that's great. So throw your bottle away halfway, buy another 1.
36:15Speaker 3It doesn't mean that 28 days, oh, it's done working completely. Like, it's just it's dead. And, like, it's wide wide open. Right? Totally. We add so just, I guess, make sure that you're not just using sterile water. Make sure you're using bacterial static water, right, which has benzyl alcohol in it.
36:30Speaker 3And, I mean, I agree with Jay. So so they're kinda just telling you what is the standard,
36:35Speaker 2and it's like, out there, which is out there. Yeah. Like, I've done it long after that. So
36:42Speaker 3That, you know, you're gonna just try to minimize the puncture holes and in the environment that you're that you're puncturing that bottle. Right? I've
37:05Speaker 3but I also am not dirty. Like, don't don't work out with all bunch of nasty sweat on you and then go puncture your skin,
37:12Speaker 2right, and make a hole in your skin. Well, listen. Like, be clean. So I I did I did a video. Maybe I'll do it again. So
37:19Speaker 2I it was either after I slept. It wasn't after I worked out. It was after I took a shower and, like, I kind of lived life for a few hours.
37:26Speaker 2And I was cleaning my shoulder with my swab. Yeah. And I I I showered not that long ago, and I was like, holy shit. Woah. That's why you clean it. Just clean the area. Like, we're not bad at that. I'm not even gonna tell you that I do that every time. Yeah. Would be totally lying because I rarely do it, but, like, even I was like, wow. I should probably
37:45Speaker 2it's the risk tolerance. If you're a super, super, super, super, super, like, worried person,
37:50Speaker 2then don't do it. Don't it. Buy but, yeah, buy a smaller dose bottle. Yeah. You know, just think through it. Yeah. But, like, you know, you're gonna be fine. Mhmm.
37:59Speaker 2No big. I agree with them. Like, I I don't think I've ever even used an alcohol swab. I've never. I'd like to say that I'd like to tell you that we do
38:09Speaker 3I think I have because I know that if you do that, then you inject it stings because you're getting the alcohol is going right into the little wound. But I don't want you know, but DG Zone, man, if you have a really, like, compromised immune system,
38:22Speaker 3or you just buy a smaller bottle that you know based on your dose that will that you will use it. Totally.
38:36Speaker 2Thank you both for the podcast. I have got back. I got my stack sorted. Hoping you can help me sort my husband's TRT.
39:48Speaker 2So he hasn't started. That's why. So, I mean, there's your culprit right there at 3 96 and 7.8.
39:53Speaker 2That's why he retired. So we have no sex drive. Easy peasy. Yes. You also have lost 56
39:59Speaker 3pounds. So here's the thing. Again, like, that massive weight loss Okay. Is going to increase your SHBT.
40:16Speaker 3It just is. And the reason why probably is because of the 28% body fat. Right? You have a lot of, like, aromatization activity happening in stored fat. And at 28% body fat as a male,
40:44Speaker 2And what's the question? So, he's around. What are the TRT protocol would you recommend? What TRT? I'm not really Okay. Understand where they went, but, like, TRT.
40:55Speaker 3I would do TRT. I would go to the doctor, get your blood and and you just did your blood test. What does the doctor say? The TRG. Right? I always everybody's different. Like, we've talked about it. I mean, if we're looking at
41:09Speaker 3That's in UK. This in UK. UK might give you TES-3E. I think it is TES-18E. But frankly,
41:23Speaker 3Like, it's just a higher dose. Yeah. Have dose. Right. You'd have to do less oil. But every doctor generally starts people off pretty low and then come back in like a month, and we take the blood test and see how much you raise so they don't just overdose it. But, you know, 180 100 100
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42:50Speaker 3Daily is going to be the absolute best to keep your levels as level and consistent as possible. When you're just starting out, though, dude, just Yeah. It sucks doing it. Maybe tuning. Wanna do it daily. Yeah. It gets old, but, like, I do 3. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Mhmm.
43:13Speaker 3so it depends on what doctor you go to, though. Okay? I don't know about about The UK, but if you go to an HMO in The United States, they will not give you they will not give you testosterone
43:34Speaker 3That's low, and you should not have to live basically, you shouldn't have to live like that. No.
43:39Speaker 3But keep working at burning, getting the fat off, and life and everything will be easier. Right? It's like a snowball gathering momentum either way.
43:48Speaker 3The higher the fat, the more estrogen, the lower the testosterone. Right? And though and that and those all just keep separating, separating, separating.
44:18Speaker 3Let's go 5 days. It's so fast. K. 5 days out off. Also, guys, like, if those of you who are testing your HGH and your IGF-one levels based on your HGH to see how good your HGH is, there is a huge freaking difference. Yeah. If you take that HGH dose
44:34Speaker 3an hour before you take your test or that morning, you should be taking these blood tests fasted, by the way, so you should be going and taking them in the morning. So let's assume you you inject your HGH that morning, take your test versus you did your HGH a day ago or 2 days ago, the
44:54Speaker 3just be aware. Don't be like, oh, this HGH sucks. Yeah. I did my I did my injection 2 days before my blood test, and
45:01Speaker 3no wonder it's showing like nothing. That's why you have to inject daily because it's fast in and fast out. In fact, lots of people inject it twice a day,
45:21Speaker 2Let's fix it. Yeah. For the love of God, my brother, you are gonna feel great. Now is that gonna make all your problems go away? But, dude, remember how it feels to feel horny? Like, you see your bride walk in, you're like, dude,
45:34Speaker 2Like, Lucy looking good. Right? Like, that's how you should be, dude. And, like, it's really easy. Like, 3 weeks 3 weeks or so, you'll feel bad. You know? You wanna obviously, like, go slow. Like Will said, maybe 1 50, maybe 1 80.
45:50Speaker 23 weeks a month, you take 1 80 to do hundreds to just get that stuff in you. You can adapt. You know, we're not gonna say you're gonna you're gonna need to find a sweet spot, dude. But, man, you're gonna feel like a man again. You're gonna have sex drive again. You're gonna have motivation again. You won't be tired.
46:22Speaker 34 mg Reta once a week as I close in on my body recomp goals. No stranger to peptides. I've used AOD,
46:29Speaker 3SLU-, GLOW, Tessa, and IpA in the past. My question is about the newer thinking regarding the timing of Tessa and or IpA given the possible slower gastric emptying with Retta.
46:52Speaker 3the Retta, or is it more important that the Tessa be in a fasted state and the Ipam could be taken in the evening? Last time I last time I did a course, I used 500 to 750 mg of Tessa plus 250 mg of IpA.
47:05Speaker 3I saw gains, but definitely retained water until I came off. Yeah. I'm so grateful for the content you put out, especially the recent interviews with other educators in the field. Right on. On. Awesome.
47:16Speaker 3Yeah. You you 1st of all, like to do this since I just read the dosing portion. Yeah. You happen to be at basically the highest, like,
47:27Speaker 3effect. So the fact that you are getting water retention means that that dose right here that you're talking about Too much. Is about the highest that you're you can go. Okay? It also means that the stuff's working.
48:01Speaker 3dose limiting factor is this water retention. Sorry. There's nothing you can do to kind of offset that other than not take more. No. Just take less.
48:14Speaker 3Now what we're not worried about, 1st of all, in the fasted if you're not in the if you're it's not about your stomach being empty. Right? It's about nutrients
48:38Speaker 3it's at a it's it's it's a it's a graph that is slowly going down. Right? And you're the right after you eat, yeah, cool. You're getting all the nutrients. But, really, for
48:49Speaker 3you're not flooded with nutrients even though you might still feel a bit full. Right? The slowed gastric emptying. Your body really kinda sucks out the nutrients
49:06Speaker 3the other question, I would I would keep Tesa Ipam, keep them together. Don't split those up timing. There's no rationale for that. Keep them together, and they should be together, and they're not limit they are not competing for pathways.
49:18Speaker 3Those are definitely synergistic working together. I do think that, yes, your best bet
49:46Speaker 3And, really, I don't know how often you're taking your Retta. Right? I don't know. Once a week? 2, 3 times a week? This is insane. But Once a week. Once a week. So 4 Migs. So cool. You might have 1 of these Tesofipa doses that's maybe slightly blunted because of the Retta, but
50:04Speaker 3yeah, not that big of a deal. But I I would do that. I think I personally just think that's that being in a truly fasted,
50:13Speaker 3is more important even though it's not your aligns with your circadian rhythm. Yeah. Versus it aligning your circadian rhythm, but having a whole bunch of nutrients circulating. Yeah. It's been popping up more. It's great. It's a little bit like this has been a good question because, like, generally, Tesamorelin
50:28Speaker 2is gonna mimic your natural pulse. So we would generally say you would take it at night,
50:33Speaker 2where Ipah is not so much. You could take it kind of more. You could take it in the morning and night.
50:38Speaker 2But I think you answered that well, man. I mean, just take it in the morning and then take the the the, Reta after. You could do that, I think, the same thing at night. Oh.
50:51Speaker 2How do you feel? Yeah. You know? Have to on yourself. You want to do it for every that's all we've done on our Do for 3 weeks, 1 way and be very strict and document it. Yeah. And then do it the other way for 3 weeks. I mean, dude, I've done that with testosterone. That's how we know a lot of that stuff about testosterone. I've done it every day. I've done it, like, 3 days. Mhmm. How do I feel the best? You're gonna feel the best by no, but, like, then they get sick of pinning. You know? Like but you know it because your own research on you and how you feel is the best reach that you can get.
51:22Speaker 2Alright. Am I up? Yes. In the video where you show how to combine 5 peptides into a single injection, do you draw up 10 mg
51:31Speaker 2of each? I think you mean 10 units. Yeah. And then inject the full 50 mg at once. Yes. I do. And make sure that you get that right person because he is not pulling 10 mg and doing 50 mg. I do the math to have
51:49Speaker 2so that's all you do is change the water. It's math. You'll figure it out once you've kinda done this enough that if it says 1 mil, you need to add 2 mil, then it's 0.5. You know? So I do it to 10 units.
52:11Speaker 3Units. That's it. I don't know. I don't I have nothing else to respond to. Yeah. Add to that. Okay. Which
52:40Speaker 3Yep. And and do you like 50. Yep. And we like we said, in that, the HGH applies same rules that apply to the 2 questions ago.
52:53Speaker 3Yeah. I do the HGH in the morning. Hell, you can even do HGH in morning and night too. I've been doing it. If you want to. I'm doing it. I mean, Josh Holyfield came on and said that's what he does and and really likes it. And JT's doing it.
53:05Speaker 2I feel like I've been sleeping really good since I've been doing that. No. You know? Like, is it a coincidence? I don't know. Whatever. Probably not. Probably not. Yeah. So, and and I was doing I went up to 4 for a bit just to see. I didn't like it. You know? I went back to my sweet spot up 2,
53:24Speaker 2So I do 1 in the morning now, 1 at night, and it's been great. Mhmm. So anyways, that's easy. So I'm a 46 year old female with history of 130
53:32Speaker 2pound weight loss. Boom. And about about a 100 pounds lost from diet and exercise. Good for you. And 30 pounds lost,
53:59Speaker 2testosterone, progesterone, and estrogen. I lift heavy 4 days a week and have noticed muscle definition for the 1st time ever. Give me huge
54:34Speaker 3I think we're gonna both agree on this 1, but we'll see. She didn't even ask she didn't even ask if she should take that. She she she so, yeah, don't take don't take HCG or secutide. You'll kill it. Don't do that. Great. But you asked, is there any other peptides that will help her gain muscle
55:17Speaker 2Seriously. That's what was gonna say. That's probably your best bet. Creatine to a woman's awesome. It's crazy to take. Like, you know, creatine, you can do monohydrate. A lot of people think that it bloats them.
55:29Speaker 2I don't know. I mean, every person should be taking creatine. That's and let's get back to the basics. Diet.
55:36Speaker 2Are you eating enough protein? Women need to eat about 50 40 to 50 grams of protein right when they wake up.
55:41Speaker 2That's just they need to do that. How's your sleep? How's your stress? Work on those things because you're killing it. Like, not add let's not add in any peptides because you're doing great. Let's add in, like, well, so the creatine. Let's make sure your diet's prime. Let's make sure you're getting enough protein.
56:03Speaker 3You were killing it. You're doing great. Yeah. Yeah. You are doing great. You've lost a 130 pounds. You're seeing definition for the 1st time. Like, kicking ass. Yeah. Don't do anything that's gonna give you
56:16Speaker 2Welcome back. What's up? Let's just give him a say. We we we missed our friend. Yeah. We miss you, bro. Congratulations
56:24Speaker 2your soon to be bride who, you know, we all love. Mhmm. It was awesome to to get to go out to you. We didn't even talk about the our Prague trip. I mean, gosh, that was awesome. I know we did on the last 1, but, man,
56:36Speaker 2I my eyes were blind just blown open. Mhmm. Peter Magic is the coolest dude. He's the most mellow. He doesn't talk shit on anybody. Nope. He's the kindest person. He took his 0.5 of his day to show us around. Yes. He did. And it just I loved it. I had a blast. Yeah. No. He's gotta go on. He runs a legit lab. Like,
57:07Speaker 3yes, he's doing it big time and absolutely, dude. Like, great integrity. He doesn't talk shit about anybody. Huge. And
57:15Speaker 3a lot. Yeah. That's what I I mean, unfortunately, the more money you make, the more success you have. Right? Everybody wants
57:22Speaker 3a piece of that, wants steal your shit. Yeah. Right? He's like, dude, we get I get extortion,
57:34Speaker 2dude. You don't know. You would never know it. Nope. His crew is awesome. All the gals and guys that worked there were kind as hell.
57:53Speaker 2The Czech Republic food is not years. No. It's There you go. Them. Question from the crowd was what is your favorite food in Prague? Well, I mean, I'll tell you I'll tell you. You already know because I told you this earlier, but, like, I'll tell you what I my favorite
58:06Speaker 2what I had at Prague, I ate it twice because I loved it so much, more than and unfortunately, it wasn't, like, Prague food or whatever that is, like, schnitzel and stuff like that. Yeah. Thank you. I had a steak and I had some, coaster and carnivore. So had steak and I had
58:21Speaker 2and stuff like that. It was good. And I was walking around and, like, meeting the people. They had an ice cream shop Mhmm. Mhmm. That I ate it every night. And then 1 night I walked and I wanted the ice cream show back because it's this creamy ice cream, and they closed, and I was so bastards. Yeah.
58:33Speaker 2You know? But, anyways, my favorite that I had was this Indian place that was staring at me. It was right across the the street from this hotel, and I'm like, I don't know about Indian food. I've never I don't even know if I've ever had Indian food. But I asked the concierge, is that Indian food good? Because I'd had a lot of hotel hotel food was good. Well, ate steak and burger patties. Good. The condors. But the hotels and the eggs are like, you don't need anything like, nothing else? Like, no. Burger patty eggs, please. Thanks. But, anyways, I went over there, and it was amazing, dude. Like Yeah.
59:06Speaker 2tiki marsala. Tiki marsala. Tiki. Until I went back the next day, they're like, talk so soon? Yeah. So It's good. And the Indians can make some spicy food too. Holy shit. You better be careful. Put your level of that so soon. Spiciness in an Indian food? God. Yeah. It could be really, really good, though. Yeah. I told the guy to hold the camera. Hey, bro. Can you do the camera for me real quick? And I did, like, salad eat here. Good for you. I actually eat carbs with that 1 because it was so good. The bread and the rice. The non bread. I grow carnivore on that. That bread? That yes. Great. God.
59:49Speaker 3Ali ordered some we're like, hey. We wanna go to some, like, authentic Czech restaurant, and and the bellhop guy sent us a place, and she's like,
1:00:14Speaker 3before it's well, it's like, no, it's a cow. Yeah. It's a cow. I thought it was a I always thought it was a sheep. No. It's cow. Yeah. It's a cow. So it's a baby Yeah.
1:00:24Speaker 3But if you have you you can get white meat veal, and that means that that that baby is under 12 old.
1:00:31Speaker 2This is like you're eating like a cow fetus. It's kinda gross. Know if I've ever really had. I'm sure I've taken a bite of it, but it's not something I would order. I ordered it in Italy, and then I looked at it. I thought it was I thought it was lamb. I don't know.
1:00:44Speaker 2Lamb. Sheep. I don't like lamb. Do you like lamb? Yes. I do like lamb chops. Absolutely. It's definitely an acquired taste for lamb. But the veal kinda grossed me up.
1:00:53Speaker 0And I've ever had it. I'm sure I have. But But I did have wiener schnitzel, which I think was also like a veal. It's like really flat skirt steak, but schnitzel
1:01:05Speaker 3Good trip, man. But it was a great trip. Prague is freaking gorgeous. Gorgeous. And is 1 of the only,
1:01:11Speaker 3capital cities left in Europe that was not devastated in World War 2, and so that's why there's still so many freestanding buildings that are like ancient, really, really old,
1:01:22Speaker 3The only time he was ever injured in World War 2 was, when the Americans bombed it on accident thinking it was Dresden.
1:01:36Speaker 2And Yeah. He just loved his job and just gave us so much cool information. He made us stop. I don't know where we stopped at. I don't remember the name of it. In Prague Castle. Prague Castle. And we took so many different videos, and he had talked to the guards and let us, like, walk through there and, like, to get them, like, you know, we're putting together a YouTube, like, on it to kinda because it's so cool. Yeah. It was fun, man. He was he was cool. I love it. I've talked to him a few times on what's up. What's So what's up, Yan? Hopefully, in case you're watching this I caught him thinking of a wand. Yeah. You caught him wand. I'm like, he's like,
1:02:07Speaker 0so what else? Super funny. On the top of the castle so 1st of all, in Prague Castle, they also had the guards just like at Buckingham Palace, right, that cannot
1:02:16Speaker 0Move. Flinch or move. Yeah. God. That just sucks. I feel bad for the few hours. But he said they only their shifts only a few hours doing On top of the castle gates, and I kept saying, that's amazing. There's, like, 20 foot tall
1:02:32Speaker 01 dude, like, with his, like, bronze club, the club's this big, with his knee on somebody's head with a club like this.
1:02:40Speaker 0And then the other 1, the other side was this was was a dude with a with a big ass sword and just impaling someone right through the forehead.
1:02:57Speaker 2We have a lot of outlets where you can reach us. We got YouTube. We got social media, IG. We got
1:03:10Speaker 2subjects you would like to talk about. There seems like a lot of ladies have some questions, and they're really interested in the in the hormones and stuff. So we really are trying to giving you a lot trying to give you a lot of gut health. There's so much that comes from just fixing your gut. Your whole life will get better. So, Tiffany Marie Davis, she was on last time. Hope you guys loved her. My podcast with her comes out on Tuesday where you get a little bit more of her.
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1:03:49Speaker 2Jake Campbell's coming in Mignano. That'll be fun. That'll be cool. Check out school. There's more
1:03:57Speaker 3for this presentation out there on the bio regulators. So, like, Doctor. Kavitsin's Russian
1:04:03Speaker 3scientist who long time ago, right, was the 1 who basically, like, started the research into peptides and especially bio regulators and was the 1 who'd done all the
1:04:22Speaker 3some other ones that we talk about all the time, if you're all interested in where the original research is on those or what the hell is a bioregulator is versus a peptide,
1:04:31Speaker 3go to our school. Check it out. A lot of it. A lot of info in there. Like, we we have we've actually been trying to get a vet
1:04:42Speaker 3no use in the veterinary medicine for for to talk to peptide. Like, no approved use. And so it's hard to get a licensed professional that will come on and say anything. Now we do have we did we have been talking to a vet who's
1:05:00Speaker 2And so if if I've heard. If yeah. If that interests people, let us know. Yeah. I think a lot of people do. Yeah. Just give us feedback, man. We listen. We read them all,
1:05:10Speaker 2and we appreciate all your kind comments. You know, some of your unkind comments, we don't appreciate those on our Instagram after we went to Prague and try to give you good info. But, hey, there's always dickheads in the crowd. Always dickheads.