Peptide Q&A #53 – TRT for Low T, Pituitary Tumor Cautions & Peptide Timing on Retatrutide Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-53-trt-for-low-t-pituitary-tumor-cautions-peptide-timing-on-retatrut/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:00 Speaker 0: Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. 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We didn't talk to you much. You were enjoying your trip as you should. 1:12 Speaker 2: We missed you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Put your hair down there. Well, I were laughing because I think it was Justin Wetzel that actually told us this, but he said, you don't have a business if you can't leave it for 2 weeks and it doesn't fall apart. Right. So when I do finally talk to Will, I say, hey, Bill. At least we know we got a business. Yeah. That's right. Yep. That's right. You know what I mean? 1:30 Speaker 2: But congrats, man. Congrats on how you looked like the trip was great. It was it was awesome. Posting pictures and stuff. It was awesome. The proposal, I guess, 2 good things. Yeah. I wasn't. Let let you we even talk about it. So were you nervous? I was not nervous, actually. No. Really? No. I wasn't nervous. 1:46 Speaker 3: I was excited to get it done with, and the problem is I had it planned for early in the vacation, right, on a boat ride, 1:52 Speaker 3: right off of the Amalfi Coast to Capri, 1:55 Speaker 3: but that boat ride got canceled because of weather. By the way. Which was good because they also lost their bags. 2:01 Speaker 3: They found them, ultimately. But so I wanted to do it early in the vacation, but it had it was delayed about 4 days. 2:08 Speaker 3: So 2:09 Speaker 3: but anyway, we got it. We had a private boat. Dude, the captain, Giovanni, was was awesome, drove us to Capri. 2:15 Speaker 3: And I had told the captain, hey, I want to propose to her sometime this boat trip. And then so about 10 minutes in, he kinda walks with me and says, so how do you wanna do it? Because he's done like thousands of these. All these boat drivers, dude, he's like, this, I've done, like, it's, like, countless times. 2:30 Speaker 3: And I said, I go, I don't know, dude. Like, maybe somewhere on somewhere on land, like, away from people. 2:36 Speaker 3: Think about that. And then we were we were riding the boat another 15 minutes, and Allie just like she's like, I just love being on a boat. And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. Like, she 2:44 Speaker 3: likes being on a boat. Like, that's where she actually is really, really happy. I will just propose to her on the boat. Yeah. So I went back and I said, hey, dude. Let's swim because I kinda wanna be refreshed and, like, get the nerves out, you know, jump in some water and and be refreshed. I said, just let's find us a spot that's kinda isolated where we can jump off. 3:01 Speaker 3: And he's like, okay. I'll bring, like, the champagne bottles out while you guys are swimming, which was nor which is not out of the normal. Like, right, they have that. For sure. So 3:09 Speaker 3: I so we stop, 3:11 Speaker 3: and she she, like, does a perfect backflip off the boat, which is impressive, which is 1 of the main reasons 1 of the main reasons, but I really like her and love her. 1 1 big reason because she's athletic. 3:22 Speaker 3: That's funny. Sorry. Just that's just 1 of my things. So she does a backflip. I go in. The water's incredibly warm. We get up. And then as I'm we're getting up, and I'm like, hey. Do you want a towel to dry your hair? And I, like, talked to Bodaro. I was like, shit. I should she's not gonna be very happy with looking like a drowned round, but I don't like with the pictures of me proposing with her hair all wet. You know? I don't think like that. Yeah. Do. That was like, oh, shit. I didn't catch that 1 yet. Yeah. Oops. But it was and then I said, okay, dude. I guess I'm gonna do it. And so the guy's like, okay. So he brought the champagne, he was filming. I said, hey, get this. 3:55 Speaker 3: And I walked, 3:57 Speaker 3: and I did and then I did my thing. You know, I went down in the I bought her this Louis Vuitton box, like a little ring box made by Louis Vuitton. It's way too expensive. But 4:06 Speaker 3: sat down, I kept it very 4:08 Speaker 3: quick 4:09 Speaker 3: and simple. I tend to 4:11 Speaker 3: I could just see it now, me, like, rambling a little bit, right, and going like, I think I really wanna spend the rest of my life with, yeah. You know what? Let's see how this right? Was like, just shut up and say what's necessary. 4:23 Speaker 3: I just said, like, I love you, and I wanna spend the rest of my life with you. Good. Will you marry me? 4:28 Speaker 3: And she cried and was really surprised. 4:31 Speaker 3: And the film, when we got really good footage, 4:34 Speaker 3: Giovanni's like, dude, you're the you're the I've done thousands of these, and you're the easiest 4:39 Speaker 3: proposal I've ever done. Got it. He's like, most dude guys are just so uptight and want everything all perfect. 4:46 Speaker 3: Fuck it. But it was natural, and was good, and she liked it that way too. Like, you know, it's in her natural state. Her hair's wet. She's she was actually surprised, 4:56 Speaker 3: and the rock was big. 4:57 Speaker 3: The the ring was a bit too big, and so it was spinning because the rock was so big also, though. It 5:05 Speaker 3: and it was spinning, so she had to go resize it. 5:09 Speaker 3: And we found somebody in Positano. There was a jeweler who had his own little lab. They could resize it, and then it was too tight. 5:16 Speaker 3: So she had to go back. 5:17 Speaker 3: And then loosened it up a little bit, and now it's and it's perfect. Yeah. That's right. But we are so I guess 2 things. That went off that went off perfect. It couldn't have been, I don't know, couldn't have been better. Like, just life is what it is. Right? We deal with deal with hurdles and 5:32 Speaker 3: shit's Auto man. Gonna be perfect. Do that. And that's how it should be. It's not black and white. It's messy as shit. It's gray. 5:39 Speaker 3: And then her and I went on a long long vacation. Right? It was, like, damn, 2 weeks of just her and I. Yeah. And at the end of the vacation, we didn't have we didn't never, like, have we never fight. Right? There's a few times that we got frustrated with each other. Yeah. 5:51 Speaker 3: But that's, like, normal, but we we still we still like each other after the vacation. So that's a positive. 5:57 Speaker 3: It's a 5:58 Speaker 0: win. A 5:59 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and we've been but we were really just immersed together, 6:04 Speaker 3: and we still love each other and still want to still wanna get married, and it'll be easy marriage. 6:09 Speaker 3: There's you know, when I when I talked to her dad, 6:12 Speaker 3: he's like, you guys aren't gonna wear, like, tuxedos and stuff, are you? Monkey suits? I was like, in fact, no. I would love not to. Exactly. 6:20 Speaker 3: But no shoes and no tuxedos for the wedding. We'll probably do it somewhere close. 6:25 Speaker 2: But it was a long time. It didn't felt like a long time. You're gone a long time. Yep. So Will is it was which he does he checked out, and, like, I was surprised. And I was happy for him because, like, we've worked our ass off for the last year and 0.5, and he deserved it. And so 6:42 Speaker 2: I was a little surprised because you've never done that. I've never So once we realized that you were doing that, we were stoked. Yeah. And thank you for allowing me to do You deserve it. You're getting married, and, like, you're in the I was of a lifetime. Yeah. And, like, that doesn't come around, and, the place didn't burn down. We're still doing good. We had a lot of hiccups. Yeah. Yeah. 7:01 Speaker 2: Because businesses do. You know? And, like, we just 7:04 Speaker 2: damn it, man. And this is what a company does, man. Yeah. It is good to have you back. 7:09 Speaker 2: You know, with businesses, and we're 50 50 on our businesses and whatnot, I can't ever really make decisions without them. So it's good to have you back. And we miss you, man, because we love you. Mhmm. You're the place is never complete when we're not complete. Yeah. If even 1 person's gone that's a part of the family is 7:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's they're not here. But, we got still big stuff coming, man. I mean, school is blowing up. I love that people love it. We're continuing to grow school. 7:34 Speaker 2: We're doing some outside the box stuff. I'm gonna throw this out there. Will and didn't discuss talking about So we are starting to cultivate. I've had it in my heart forever since I've been doing the fitness channel about, like, a weekend with 7:46 Speaker 2: just some dudes that I respect. And now that, you know, our channels have grown and, like, we're you know, have met some people that we respect, blah blah blah, 7:55 Speaker 2: We we wanna do something big with, like, Warrior Makers and, Lions Not Sheep. So, my mentor, is Mark Moss and, Justin Wetzel, 8:03 Speaker 2: big names that we at least think that they're big names. We wanna do a weekend. And, so we have a call with them at 05:00, Sean, 8:10 Speaker 2: Mark, Justin, and some other guys that will be speaking. 8:15 Speaker 2: And I think it's gonna be cool. It will be. The timing has never been right. It's been in my heart forever. I almost did it when I was just doing a fitness thing, and I starting to put it together, but timing has to be right. But, 8:26 Speaker 2: as I was talking with Sean and Mark the other night just on text, 8:30 Speaker 2: they were like, what's the goal? I'm like, I've I've researched stuff. I turned into you, man. I researched it. I've been chatting PT and a lot of the different stuff, and it's been kinda eye opening because 8:40 Speaker 2: the motivation is to change lives, man. And, statistically speaking, there will be a lot of people that come that they don't do nothing with it. Yep. And that's just the way it is. So, like, let's say 3% take it and do something with their lives. I said, I'm happy with that. Uh-huh. I'm happy with that. You know, we get a share stage and with some dudes that we respect, and we get to talk about maybe business a little bit and talk about, 9:02 Speaker 2: motivation and talk about, like, maybe some, stuff that we've been through. Yeah. Yeah. The sobriety stuff. 9:10 Speaker 3: It is cool. It would be like a full, well rounded, like, growth weekend. Right? Financial. We got Mark Moss and Joe Brown, dude. Right? Like, fully like, a full spectrum. So, like, physical Yep. Mental, spiritual, financial, 9:24 Speaker 0: and all of the yeah. With experts in everything. Businesses 9:28 Speaker 2: and stuff. Yeah. We're adding some stuff, 9:31 Speaker 2: which, you know, these need to be cultivated, wolves and gongs. But, like, you know, we had asked all the dang time about coaching stuff, like fitness stuff, and, like, we have been so busy that we haven't been able to do that. Now we're staffed to the degree where we have that. So we're we're putting together some coaching stuff, 9:47 Speaker 2: and, we found a guy that will be amazing. You know? Will and I will pop on and we'll do a lot of the stuff too with business and motivation and, 9:55 Speaker 2: so they're big stuff, dude. Big stuff. Yeah. It's tough to just rent. Behind the behind the weekend, we do not this 10:02 Speaker 3: so a lot of these retreats that people do, these workshops that was like, oh, teach you a business. Right? They're just a sales pitch Yeah. For 10:10 Speaker 3: you pay a lot decent amount of money. Totally. But the whole point of that is to sell you on something else. Right? Right. This is not that. Most. Yeah. Yeah. We have no we have no ulterior 10:19 Speaker 2: sales pitch. My, like, my motto, you know, and people probably hear me say it all the time, but it's like, do big shit. Like, meaning, like, surround yourself with guys that like and that's how we think here. You you know mean? Look at school. Like, Will's put too much stuff in time with that and, like, we're gonna grow it. We're gonna do good stuff. And, like, we wanna bring people on this podcast 10:37 Speaker 2: that 10:39 Speaker 2: we learn from and you learn from. I mean, that's the I mean, we have doctor Chesnut that's coming on. You know, he's he's busy, but he's coming on. Doctor Kissenia, 10:48 Speaker 2: she's Kissenia? Kissenia. Oh, yeah. Kissenia. 10:52 Speaker 2: She's coming on, and she and I have been rapping quite a bit on social media. She's awesome. I I I I think she's awesome. Jay Campbell, who's been on here before, is coming in. Yeah. He's coming in. Lives will be sitting at this table tomorrow, 11:04 Speaker 2: and that's gonna be fun. That's always fun. 11:06 Speaker 2: Obviously, Trevor Cruder's coming back. Doctor Scott next week, 11:10 Speaker 2: and that's gonna be a fun 1 because 11:12 Speaker 2: doctor Scott is gonna dig into blood work. And I think, we're gonna really dig deep into blood work on for women. Where do I where do where do women's, 11:22 Speaker 2: like, estradiol need to be testosterone, 11:25 Speaker 2: free testosterone? Where do men's because what western medicine says is just this wide range, and it's not necessarily where healthy people should be. So Scott's gonna dig into that. And he's also seeing a lot of men come on who are on gear, which for you people that know what that means, steroids. 11:41 Speaker 2: And he's seeing a lot of men's blood work jacked, and he wants to talk about it because he's seeing kind of a a fear in that. And, yeah. I said, come on, bro. We would love to talk about that stuff. So we're gonna bring as many people on that are we can think of that are gonna give 11:56 Speaker 2: you, 11:57 Speaker 2: where you can make education educated guesses for or or educated choices for your life, us too. 12:04 Speaker 2: You know? We're all under construction. We're never a complete will, and I say it all the time. We don't act like we know it all. 12:10 Speaker 2: We we we're students of life. We're gonna sit down and, like, we're just blessed to be able to sit down with these people live and talk to them and ask the questions that we wanna know. Mhmm. So big stuff. So those people are all coming on August is just gonna blow your mind. We got big names and big just it's gonna be a lot of fun. So schools pop in. If you're not on there, jump on there. Today is a q and a. It's good to have them back. We'll always start this off. Alright. Okay. 12:36 Speaker 3: Question number 1. 36 year old female here. 12:39 Speaker 3: Finally getting my hormones tested. I specifically asked my provider to add estradiol, 12:44 Speaker 3: free and total testosterone, 12:45 Speaker 3: progesterone, and cortisol to my labs. Thanks to everything 12:49 Speaker 3: thanks to everything I've learned from your podcast. My question is, are there any peptides I should stop taking before my labs to avoid affecting the results? If so, how long before the blood draw should I discontinue them? 13:02 Speaker 3: Thank you all for the education you've shared. It gave me the confidence to advocate for my for more comprehensive 13:08 Speaker 3: testing. 13:09 Speaker 3: Beautiful. So I guess to the quick quick question, you said you've added 13:15 Speaker 3: estradiol free in total testosterone, progesterone, cortisol. 13:19 Speaker 3: If there is something that we want you that you should maybe stop, 13:23 Speaker 3: it's because you're testing for it. So the only thing you don't say you're asking for an IGF-one 13:29 Speaker 3: test, but my guess is you probably are or you should. That's what I got to. The main things that any secretagogues, 13:35 Speaker 3: right, that's that's what they test for. So even HGH, they don't test you for your HGH levels. Right? They test you for your IGF-one levels because that's downstream what it really Which is still hard. 13:46 Speaker 3: And it still hurt, but, like, your secretagogues 13:49 Speaker 3: will definitely affect that. So if you don't, I would say, you know, 3 to 5 days off of those to have those nonexistent. 13:57 Speaker 3: If it's like MK-six 77, that that longer, 1 to 2 weeks maybe. 14:04 Speaker 3: The, I guess, you know, sustained 14:07 Speaker 3: and and rapid weight loss caused by GLP-1s 14:11 Speaker 3: will increase your SHBG. 14:14 Speaker 3: So 14:15 Speaker 3: if you have lost a whole bunch of weight 14:18 Speaker 3: and you go get tested and your SHBG is high, that's probably 1 14:23 Speaker 3: typical reason. 14:25 Speaker 3: If you're I mean, HCG, Kisspeptin, if you're testing in your hormones, your luteinizing hormone or your follicle stimulating 14:31 Speaker 3: hormones, your gonadalaxis, 14:33 Speaker 3: then 14:34 Speaker 3: Kisspeptin, 14:35 Speaker 3: HCG, or something that you wanna 14:37 Speaker 3: not be taking while during the test. 14:39 Speaker 3: 1 other 14:41 Speaker 3: researched thing that I actually found on this after reading this question is biotin. So my guess is people in the fitness world, women especially, are taking biotin from hair, skin, and nails. 14:51 Speaker 3: That will, 14:53 Speaker 3: that's an easy 1 that will run the risk of of throwing off your lap. So if you are taking any biotin, 14:59 Speaker 3: maybe pause that for a week before you do your labs to get your actual 15:03 Speaker 2: baseline correct 15:05 Speaker 2: reading. 15:06 Speaker 2: Awesome. Anything else? You already answered that, but that's great. So, yeah, I was just gonna say HGH or anything that's gonna affect IGF-one. 15:12 Speaker 2: So if you are taking anything, don't do that. Just wait. 15:17 Speaker 2: And the cool thing that you just said in here, 15:19 Speaker 2: it gave me the confidence to advocate for me, more comprehensive testing. That's the whole point of this podcast. 15:26 Speaker 2: We're that just I love reading that because 15:28 Speaker 2: so many people's eyes are opening up, and a lot of you ladies didn't know that you're supposed to get your blood work done. 15:34 Speaker 2: You know? And I love seeing that come around 15:38 Speaker 2: knowing that women need to get their hormones checked too. So I love seeing that. I love you. Fact that you've kind of listened to some of the people, either us or people could that have come on here. That's what the point is, man. So good stuff. I love it. All right. A 42 year old male who started peptide journey at 300 pounds began with Semaglutide 15:57 Speaker 2: in January 2005, lost 20 pounds, 16:01 Speaker 2: but the side effects made the experience difficult. No shit. Yeah, Semaglutide is brutal. 16:06 Speaker 2: In October 16:07 Speaker 2: 2025, 16:08 Speaker 2: I switched to Retatrutide and explored many other peptides. Since then, I've lost 70 pounds. 16:14 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now weigh 208 16:18 Speaker 2: pounds. Good for you, dude. Huge, huge, huge. I wanted to start a cellular rebuild stack, 16:23 Speaker 2: Glutathione, 16:25 Speaker 2: FOX o 4, 16:27 Speaker 2: Epitalon, SS-thirty 1, 16:29 Speaker 2: with MOTS-c, 16:31 Speaker 2: NAD plus GHK- 16:33 Speaker 2: with Wolverine, 16:34 Speaker 2: I'm ex assuming you mean glow, 16:37 Speaker 2: and Tessa Ipamorelin. Should I run them all at the same time, 16:41 Speaker 2: overlap them in the middle of each cycle, or do 1 cycle at a time? Great question. Would this also work for my wife who is battling endometriosis? 16:51 Speaker 2: Should she start with something different? Also, can you break down Epitalon dosage? 16:56 Speaker 2: I've heard 1 mg and 10 mg. Thank you guys for the informative knowledge. Good stuff. Good question. I'll take it 1st just because, 17:07 Speaker 2: that for me, it's changed a little bit, you know, 17:10 Speaker 2: you know, especially once, you know, I've been into peptides for quite a while, but now that they've gone and there's so many, you know, mainly just taking, like, Wolverine and and whatnot when I was, you know, years ago when I was hurt, thinks of this dude. 17:24 Speaker 2: But when you start to read about them and you start to try them and they're amazing, 17:28 Speaker 2: every time you start to read more and more, you're just like, that sounds awesome and that sounds awesome and let's take them all. And that's kinda even how I started. And, 17:35 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's the best advice, and that's me just being honest. 17:39 Speaker 2: I think you should maybe run maybe 4 at a time. And that's not exact. You know, you gotta boil down what's my objective? What is my goal? NAD 17:48 Speaker 2: is a great start there. Epitalon, 17:51 Speaker 2: I would start there because it's a quick 10 day, maybe 20 day. 17:55 Speaker 2: You can do 10. 17:58 Speaker 2: Yeah. Or you can do 5 Migs 20 days. I just I'd rather get it over. It's a really quick cycle. 18:06 Speaker 3: So definitely start with that. Yeah. Epitalon, let me interject. So, basically, 100 Migs 18:12 Speaker 3: twice a year. Yeah. However you accomplish that Every day too much. He he was saying you can do 10 mg for 10 days. There's 100 mg or 5 mg for 20 days. Yeah. Hundred milligrams. So same thing. It's the same thing. It's just Yeah. Like Whatever. A little less for 20 18:27 Speaker 2: days instead of 10. Alright. But you do 2 cycles a year. 2, yeah. Twice And it's so easy, so that's why I'm saying start that 1. A good friend of ours, Paul Backyard, is on here all the time, starts everybody with that peptide. So run that and glutathione, 18:41 Speaker 2: I think everybody should run that. NAD, I think everybody should run that. 18:46 Speaker 2: If you're talking GHKCU 18:48 Speaker 2: with the Wolverine and you're talking about the glow, I'm assuming you mean that. 18:52 Speaker 2: I would separate them if it if if you financially can afford it. I just particularly like them separate. 18:59 Speaker 2: If money's tighter, then do do them both. 19:03 Speaker 2: I would start with those and then run that for a little bit, 19:07 Speaker 2: maybe for about a good month, maybe 45 days, and then you can add some of these other ones in. I would start with the SS-thirty 1 before the MOTS c. 19:17 Speaker 2: We've definitely come a long way when it comes to that. Yeah. That we wanna fix the mitochondria before that we rev the mitochondria up. So run that for at least 3 weeks to a month 19:26 Speaker 2: 1st, 19:28 Speaker 2: and then you can bring in the MOTS- C. Now the Tesa Ipamorelin, 19:32 Speaker 2: how old is he? 42. 19:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, 19:36 Speaker 2: I mean, actually, I would start that out. What do we think? Well, I think I would put that in there right away. Shoot, dude. You could do that. I mean, shoot, you could even jump to HGH, which I think is gonna be a better play. 19:47 Speaker 1: But, 19:48 Speaker 2: yeah, you wanna you probably because of your age and because of your weight, your your growth hormone's low. So I would definitely add that in there. 19:56 Speaker 2: So, 19:57 Speaker 2: I don't think there's necessarily a wrong answer on that except for I would I would wait on the MOTS-three run the SS-thirty 1. I would wait a little bit on the FOX-four. 20:05 Speaker 2: So MOTS-four, keep 20:07 Speaker 2: those out for a bit, but you can run the rest of them because I think they sync well. 20:12 Speaker 3: Okay. Somewhat similar about this. 20:15 Speaker 3: Yes. I absolutely 2nd. If you run just 20:19 Speaker 3: the whole kitchen sink at the same time It's working. And it's and something good happens, you don't know what caused that something good. Right? If something bad happens, you also don't know what caused that something bad. True. So it is a I think for everybody, like, it's important to do be 20:33 Speaker 3: do some science experiments in yourself. Right? Run things 1 or 2 times, 20:38 Speaker 3: by them 1 or 2 compounds 20:40 Speaker 3: by themselves so you know what is doing what. Now, 20:44 Speaker 0: as far as timing Push your limits, train with precision, 20:47 Speaker 0: see the results. At Equinox, 20:49 Speaker 0: that's high performance loving. 20:51 Speaker 0: Iconic spaces that inspire. Personal training backed by real data, unlimited group fitness classes from yoga and pilates to strength and conditioning. Elevate your post performance ritual with saunas, steam rooms, cold plunges, and more. 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I'm not saying it's bad for you, but I just I mean, I'll I'm here to say, don't I don't really know if, like It's really trying to get you into autophagy where, like, if you're fasting, 22:13 Speaker 2: dead cells die off. Yep. Yep. That's really the main objective. I mean, you could do it without that by just fasting. Yep. And and you you would I I would say for your weight and whatnot and your age, I would do the fasting, brother. Yeah. I think you would get a huge benefit for me to catch up. No. You're good. And so, basically, I wanna say and right. He's right. So FOX 4 simplified 22:32 Speaker 3: the goal is to get rid of dead and dying cells. So get them out of there so then new cells 22:38 Speaker 3: can be made, like NAD can start making some some new cells replicate those new healthy ones, 22:44 Speaker 3: get the bad like, just take out the trash as FOX 0 4. So timing wise, I'd probably do FOX 0 4 1st, 22:51 Speaker 3: maybe FAST and FOX 0 4, just to get all the old shit out. Right? Then 22:56 Speaker 3: then start on the other things. And, yes, 100%, you want SS 31 to come before 23:01 Speaker 3: MOTS-three. The whole point of SS 31 23:04 Speaker 3: is 23:05 Speaker 3: that mitochondrial, 23:06 Speaker 3: like, wall is to strengthen 23:09 Speaker 3: the integrity of that actual wall. So then when we do MOTS-three and we push a whole bunch of energy in this mitochondria, 23:15 Speaker 3: then you don't have this the energy leaking out of this compromised cell wall, and therefore, MOTS-three is not really doing what it's doing, doing what it should be doing. 23:25 Speaker 3: Everything else you said is 23:28 Speaker 3: yeah. 23:30 Speaker 3: Timing wise on the other things, 23:33 Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter. I just wouldn't throw the kitchen sink in at all. But those those 2 matter. Glutathione 23:40 Speaker 3: can be ran probably should be ran just like all the time. Totally. Year round. Those are B12. I know people. Yeah. B12 is another thing actually I would probably add in here. I would take a look at your I would def I like the idea of having lost this much weight, like, getting on secretagog is a great idea. Like, GHR HAM, GHRP. 23:59 Speaker 3: Making sure that you're getting enough, 24:02 Speaker 3: your macronutrients, 24:04 Speaker 3: k, or your micronutrients, actually, like your vitamins, 24:07 Speaker 3: which b 12, like a b complex will really help. 24:11 Speaker 3: And, 24:12 Speaker 3: taking all these other things to make sure you're eating actually good, healthy, well rounded meals when you're not fasting. 24:18 Speaker 0: Yeah. 24:19 Speaker 3: So that's all I got for that. Good stuff. Okay. Hi, guys. Just discovered your podcast a month ago, and I like, and like another listener I use it for my workout noise. I'm 46 year old male on TRT, hundred and 80 mg, 24:32 Speaker 3: 7 weeks into BPC 1 5 7 at 400 micrograms, 24:38 Speaker 3: 2 times daily, 24:40 Speaker 3: and 8 weeks in Dureta. 24:42 Speaker 3: I just titrated up to 5 mgs of Retta. My question is about Sermorelin and Ipamorelin. 24:48 Speaker 3: I have been on both for 3 weeks and currently taking 300 micrograms of Sermorelin, 200 micrograms of Ipah twice a day. Fasted before bed and fasted upon waking. My baseline 25:00 Speaker 3: IGF-one is 1 5 1 53 with a z score of negative 0.1 25:05 Speaker 3: and have went from 266 25:06 Speaker 3: pounds to 238 pounds. What are your thoughts? Should I up the dose? 25:11 Speaker 3: I started with Sermorelin to 25:13 Speaker 3: test my sensitivity to secretagogues. 25:15 Speaker 3: Thank you for everything you guys do. 25:18 Speaker 2: Cool. Let me take that. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I I think the most important thing here is, you know, we we always want more. We wanna try more. I think that when you feel good, you wanna feel better. Mhmm. 25:31 Speaker 2: What jumped out at me is you you went from 2 66 to 2 38, dude. You're winning. Yeah. Like, right? Like, so I guess the most important question here before you say, should you go up is how do you feel? 25:43 Speaker 2: Do you feel great? So if you feel great, why don't you just let it run its course, man? You're not gonna gain all like, even a bodybuilder's, 25:49 Speaker 2: it's years and years and years and years that they look like that. Right? Like, to go slow is my point. So if you don't feel prime, 25:58 Speaker 2: you can maybe go up a little bit. I mean, generally speaking, I don't know, Will, would you say, like, 1 mg of Cimarelin and then, like, 0.5 a mg of Ipiron. I mean, that's not exact. 26:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. You're taking less than that. Yeah. He has taken it twice a day. So but he is taking it less than You're right. But it's still 600 micrograms. Yeah. Still under. So you can you still can for sure go up. 26:18 Speaker 2: I think the most important question is how do you feel? If you feel good, I'd leave well enough alone for at least now because you're winning, man. 2 66 to 2 38. You haven't seen me be doing it that long. 26:29 Speaker 2: Mhmm. That's you're kicking butt, dude. What do think, Will? Yeah. I think that, 26:34 Speaker 3: 1st of all, like, your z score is actually pretty is median, you know, and we'll talk with doctor Scott about that. Like, these 26:41 Speaker 3: ranges are for average Americans, which generally are unhealthy. And so just being in the in the range usually isn't good enough, but still that's not like, oh, that's really low. 26:51 Speaker 3: I but I also would argue that you don't really have a baseline IGF-one if you're taking secretagogues. 26:57 Speaker 3: And now you get tested. That's not a baseline because 27:00 Speaker 3: baseline is without any secretagogues. Now maybe you did take this test before you started the secretagogues, 27:06 Speaker 3: and then that would be an actual baseline reading. 27:09 Speaker 3: Know this. You've lost a considerable amount of weight, and you're taking Reta. So when we're in that much of a and you have to be in a caloric deficit to be losing 28 pounds or so. Right? 27:19 Speaker 3: When we're in a caloric deficit, that that that 27:23 Speaker 3: kinda dulls our IGF-one response. Right? Our body isn't building muscle. It's losing weight. Right? You're telling it, I'm in a caloric deficit, to lose to try to lose lose weight. Right? So 27:34 Speaker 3: so your 27:35 Speaker 3: HGH, 27:36 Speaker 3: your IGF-one 27:37 Speaker 3: levels are having a blunted response if you're in a caloric deficit. 27:42 Speaker 3: So 27:43 Speaker 3: your and just maybe throwing more, 27:46 Speaker 3: it really doesn't do the doesn't really help to just throw more secretagogue at it because we're already blunting the pituitary 27:53 Speaker 3: axis where it starts off. K? 27:56 Speaker 3: So just know, like, if your IGF-1levels 27:59 Speaker 3: will be a bit lower if you're losing a whole bunch of weight. K? Because you're in a caloric deficit. 28:04 Speaker 3: And if you're in a caloric deficit, 28:06 Speaker 3: that is, 28:07 Speaker 3: blunting that IGF-one 28:09 Speaker 0: output, 28:10 Speaker 3: k, or response to to to the security guards. 28:14 Speaker 3: So 28:15 Speaker 3: I don't know, dude. I think that everything else JD said is is is just fine, but you are winning. Right? That's the goal is to keep is to keep doing what you've been doing. Maybe take a look at these things when you plateau out 28:27 Speaker 3: instead of while you're still on a winning streak. Yeah. Because you will plateau. You will plateau and, like, you let's let's use 28:34 Speaker 3: let's use these as plateau busters instead of, 28:37 Speaker 2: you know More. Adding more because things are going great. Right? We get it, though. Like, that's how human nature is. Like, I feel great. I wanna feel more great. Mhmm. Yeah. We're both on recovery. That's what we get it. And, you know, we've said, and it is like, hey. If you lose a bunch of weight, right, 28:51 Speaker 3: you are inevitably probably losing some muscle, and that's not not what what we want. And so eating a high protein diet and then getting on secretagogues 28:59 Speaker 3: is the way to to to really try to combat that, but just know when you're taking if we're looking at a blood test, that IGF-one level will be a bit lower, 29:09 Speaker 3: while you're in a caloric deficit. Okay? So I would say, basically, again, 29:14 Speaker 3: turn not to I just don't really believe that people should be taking things, playing to a test. I think we should be taking all this stuff, playing to How do you feel? How we feel and how we look as opposed to just like, oh, there's numbers. Gotta tune something. Because we say it all the time. Like, what's the sweet spot? I don't know. Like, Will and I have been running TRT for a long time, and we don't take the same dose. Now granted we're a he's a lot bigger than me, but, like, you're 29:37 Speaker 2: that's why this doesn't matter. Like, how do you feel? If you feel good, you're sex I said this, I think, in the last podcast, and it's so it's so important. 29:46 Speaker 2: You're not supposed to be like shit. You're not supposed to have cloudy head. You're supposed to have a sex drive, 29:52 Speaker 2: and you're supposed to feel good. That's just how god created us. Now that takes work. It takes work. Like like, you know, you fall in and out of the sweet spot, so you have to continuously 30:01 Speaker 2: mess it around. I said the last time, I'm fine in my sweet spot of men because I fell out of it. I'm 49 now. And right? 30:08 Speaker 2: And that's what, like, Will just said, you gotta do the research 30:11 Speaker 2: and just because your buddy at the gym says, take more or whatnot, 30:16 Speaker 2: how do you feel? 30:18 Speaker 3: I think for men and honestly, and I'm sorry for women, like, your sex drive and your, like, sexual function is I don't know. I think that's my, like, my personal, like, barometer. For sure. Healthy. I'm talking about just just any health. Right? Like, that's an absolute 30:33 Speaker 2: telltale side. Yeah. Because if it's the same thing, like, we we talk about all the time. Like, when Will and I are talking about, like, semaglutide and tirzepatide, like, you stop wanting to be hungry. Like, God gives us hunger for a reason. That's why we like Retatrut ide. Right? Mhmm. Like, you're supposed to be horny. I don't care if you're 60. You're supposed to be horny. Yeah. Like, it's a natural thing that God gave us. People just think that I'm getting old. So, like, I'm I'm supposed to be tired and feel like shit and have cloudy head and all that stuff. No. You need to fix it. You gotta find your blood work, and it does it's a pain in the butt sometimes when you gotta do stool test and this test and that test. It sucks. 31:07 Speaker 2: But I wanna run prime. And when I'm 65, I hope I still am running prime. 31:12 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? For sure. Because I wanna feel like shit. Absolutely. Hell no. And luckily, technology is there to really help us. But but it's not all about always just taking a new drug. Yeah. It's it's it's these are optimized. Peptides, right, refer, like, people to optimize. Right? Baseline stuff needs to be taken care of. Right? Healthy habits, etcetera. 31:29 Speaker 2: These are all just optimized. Yeah. It's pulling pulling fuel on the fire where the fire is burning and you throw you put some peptides on. Now peptide's working. Yeah. But if you try to, like, light the Don't just start your fire with Don't work. With a big block of wood and lighter flow. Right. Take an AOD to take a Firewall 31:45 Speaker 3: bite. 31:45 Speaker 3: Alright. So next 1, I'm 38 year old male, currently taking 200 mgs of testosterone cypionate per week along with Reta, Glow, Melanotan 1, and MOTS-seven. 31:56 Speaker 3: I have a question about BP-one hundred 57. Right now, I inject BP-one hundred 57 directly into my shoulder to help old power lifting and football injuries. Good. Good. And it seems to work well for that, as it should. I'm also interested in using BP-one to support gut health. Instead of taking the oral capsule form, I was wondering if using sublingual 32:14 Speaker 3: under the tongue version would provide similar benefits. Does sublingual BPC work as well as oral BPC for gut health, or is the capsule form still a better option? Good question. 32:25 Speaker 3: Very unique. I have an opinion on this 1. Is yes. 32:29 Speaker 0: So you're doing the BPC, 32:31 Speaker 3: the injectable, absolutely. Put that thing right where the injury is. That's that is that's perfect. A lot of peptides that are being turned into orals 32:40 Speaker 3: work better, some of them, some of them work better as sublinguals because it bypasses their stomach acid and the the gut breakdown. Right. The thing is, though, folks, like, 32:50 Speaker 0: your BPC was made naturally 32:53 Speaker 3: in the gastric juices. This is where it comes from. That's its home that's like, it's like Bane who's like, I was born in the dark. You just adapted to it. 33:01 Speaker 3: I would so why do it sublingual? Take the pill. Put it right where it should where it was born and where it will really, really work. Okay? 33:08 Speaker 3: I get the sublingual 33:10 Speaker 3: thing 33:11 Speaker 2: for for other peptides because, yeah, sometimes those that stomach acid juices kinda break them down, but BPC, nope. Take the take capsules. Take it, swallow it right into the stomach. It will work way better. Yeah. It has to go to the gives more exposure to the GI tract, and that's what you want. Yes. Where the the the sublingual won't do that. For the BPC, you wanna fix the gut. So if you're taking, SLUIP, 33:34 Speaker 2: we believe Mhmm. That sublingual is better for SLUIP. I even 33:38 Speaker 2: I've ran all of them. 33:40 Speaker 2: SLU-two injection, 33:42 Speaker 2: oral, sublingual. And I'm gonna tell you, I think that it's sublingual by far. Yeah. Yeah. So, 33:48 Speaker 3: yeah. Anyways. And that's why, like, there is a, you know, 100 mg, 33:51 Speaker 3: SLU-two capsules, right, 33:53 Speaker 3: to be taken orally. No. Yeah. I had a conversation with somebody on this recently. They're so they're dosed at 100 mg because you're not because you're because you're not getting you're not getting all the hundred milligrams. 34:03 Speaker 0: But their dose is so damn high, so you do still get a decent amount. Decent amount. Like, what somebody I don't I can't remember who was talking about this, 34:10 Speaker 2: but they were saying they get they think that you get about 40, which is still a lot. 40 percent. Alright. That's still 40 mg. Right? Wow. Dude's like, holy shit. Yeah. 34:18 Speaker 3: That's 34:19 Speaker 3: My guess is that's probably. 34:21 Speaker 3: Sounds about right. I would agree. Yeah. Alright. So, hey, guys. 34:24 Speaker 2: Love the podcast. Thank you for the knowledge you share with us. I just have a question about how long you keep a reconsidered bottle of Retta. 34:31 Speaker 2: I just finished my 1st 20 mg vial starting off at 1 mg and maxed out 34:37 Speaker 2: to just 2, just under 2 mg per week. The bottle lasted just under 12 weeks with no issues. 34:43 Speaker 2: I was able to lose about 5 kg 34:46 Speaker 2: and as a female now weighing 59 kilos. 34:50 Speaker 2: I'm stoked with the results. However, our new supplier is saying that we should discard the bottle up 28 days. 34:56 Speaker 2: Due to risk of a bacteria, this means I would waste a lot of the product. Thoughts? 35:02 Speaker 2: I am worried about safety risk. Thanks again. 35:06 Speaker 2: I don't think that it's I don't think that you don't it's not 35:11 Speaker 2: the worry isn't that it's not gonna work 35:15 Speaker 2: after 30 days. It's bacteria 35:18 Speaker 2: from you injecting in and out. Mhmm. Right? So it's the steer the the sterile sterility of the bottle. 35:25 Speaker 2: I'll tell you my opinion 35:27 Speaker 2: on me. 35:28 Speaker 2: I don't care. I think I'm fine. I injected some bad stuff in my body. I'm not worried about that. I want the peptide to work. And I mean, if you can't, that would mean you couldn't do a 30 mg bottle of 35:40 Speaker 2: of Retrutide 35:41 Speaker 2: if you're running that amount because it would it would go so 35:44 Speaker 2: my opinion is, dude, don't waste 35:48 Speaker 3: it. You're fine. That's Clean the bottle. Like, you'll be fine. Yeah. The supplier silly. They probably wanna sell more. Exactly. I was gonna say like this. The new supplier tells you that, that's great. So throw your bottle away halfway, buy another 1. 35:59 Speaker 3: There but but also so the there's, like, this pharmacological 36:03 Speaker 3: just standard 36:04 Speaker 3: that that's, like, 28 days is how long bacterial stat or benzyl alcohol 36:09 Speaker 3: can 36:10 Speaker 3: ward off new incoming bacteria. Okay? 36:15 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that 28 days, oh, it's done working completely. Like, it's just it's dead. And, like, it's wide wide open. Right? Totally. We add so just, I guess, make sure that you're not just using sterile water. Make sure you're using bacterial static water, right, which has benzyl alcohol in it. 36:30 Speaker 3: And, I mean, I agree with Jay. So so they're kinda just telling you what is the standard, 36:35 Speaker 2: and it's like, out there, which is out there. Yeah. Like, I've done it long after that. So 36:40 Speaker 3: But I'm still here. 36:42 Speaker 3: That, you know, you're gonna just try to minimize the puncture holes and in the environment that you're that you're puncturing that bottle. Right? I've 36:51 Speaker 3: been doing JD and I have been injecting stuff for 15 years. 36:55 Speaker 3: Lots of it. I've never used I've never had any infection 37:00 Speaker 0: Ever. Anything ever. 37:02 Speaker 3: But I know people that have. Right? But, like 37:05 Speaker 3: but I also am not dirty. Like, don't don't work out with all bunch of nasty sweat on you and then go puncture your skin, 37:12 Speaker 2: right, and make a hole in your skin. Well, listen. Like, be clean. So I I did I did a video. Maybe I'll do it again. So 37:19 Speaker 2: I it was either after I slept. It wasn't after I worked out. It was after I took a shower and, like, I kind of lived life for a few hours. 37:26 Speaker 2: And I was cleaning my shoulder with my swab. Yeah. And I I I showered not that long ago, and I was like, holy shit. Woah. That's why you clean it. Just clean the area. Like, we're not bad at that. I'm not even gonna tell you that I do that every time. Yeah. Would be totally lying because I rarely do it, but, like, even I was like, wow. I should probably 37:44 Speaker 2: so 37:45 Speaker 2: it's the risk tolerance. If you're a super, super, super, super, super, like, worried person, 37:50 Speaker 2: then don't do it. Don't it. Buy but, yeah, buy a smaller dose bottle. Yeah. You know, just think through it. Yeah. But, like, you know, you're gonna be fine. Mhmm. 37:59 Speaker 2: No big. I agree with them. Like, I I don't think I've ever even used an alcohol swab. I've never. I'd like to say that I'd like to tell you that we do 38:06 Speaker 2: Never. Yeah. We probably should, but Probably should. 38:09 Speaker 3: I think I have because I know that if you do that, then you inject it stings because you're getting the alcohol is going right into the little wound. But I don't want you know, but DG Zone, man, if you have a really, like, compromised immune system, 38:21 Speaker 3: yeah, 38:22 Speaker 3: or you just buy a smaller bottle that you know based on your dose that will that you will use it. Totally. 38:29 Speaker 2: Alright. That was it for milligrams, man. Yep. Alright. Am I up? You are. 38:34 Speaker 2: Hello from The UK. 38:36 Speaker 2: Thank you both for the podcast. I have got back. I got my stack sorted. Hoping you can help me sort my husband's TRT. 38:43 Speaker 2: He's 54, 38:45 Speaker 2: 6 foot 3, 200 pounds, 28% body fat lost 56 pounds on Tirzepatide. 38:51 Speaker 2: Now on Retatrutide, 38:53 Speaker 2: 5 megs, 38:55 Speaker 2: truck driver, Monday through Friday, only sleeps 5 to 6 hours, 38:59 Speaker 2: CrossFit strength trains, 39:01 Speaker 2: 4 times a week, high ab abdomen 39:04 Speaker 2: fat, low libido, tired, no motivation, no energy. 39:08 Speaker 2: Total t 3 96, we are finding the culprit. 39:12 Speaker 2: Free testosterone, 39:13 Speaker 2: 7.8. 39:15 Speaker 2: S b SHBG 39:18 Speaker 2: 63.29, 39:19 Speaker 2: estradiol 39:21 Speaker 2: 34.7, 39:22 Speaker 2: albumin albumin. 39:25 Speaker 2: Albumin. Albumin, the 4.4, LH 5.25, 39:29 Speaker 2: FSH 39:30 Speaker 2: 3.02 39:31 Speaker 2: or 3, prolactin 5.1. Sorry, that's a lot. What TRT protocol would you recommend? 39:37 Speaker 2: Also having IGF-one 39:39 Speaker 2: test soon with a view 39:42 Speaker 2: to both starting HGH. How long before should I stop Tessa Ipamorelin? 39:47 Speaker 2: Nice. 39:48 Speaker 2: So he hasn't started. That's why. So, I mean, there's your culprit right there at 3 96 and 7.8. 39:53 Speaker 2: That's why he retired. So we have no sex drive. Easy peasy. Yes. You also have lost 56 39:59 Speaker 3: pounds. So here's the thing. Again, like, that massive weight loss Okay. Is going to increase your SHBT. 40:05 Speaker 0: Yep. 40:07 Speaker 3: And and your estradiol 40:10 Speaker 3: is pretty high 40:12 Speaker 3: in relativity to your total testosterone. 40:16 Speaker 3: It just is. And the reason why probably is because of the 28% body fat. Right? You have a lot of, like, aromatization activity happening in stored fat. And at 28% body fat as a male, 40:29 Speaker 3: I think so. Right? 40:30 Speaker 0: Yeah. Yep. Yep. 54. 40:32 Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. At 54 years old, right, you're you're going to have higher estradiol. 40:38 Speaker 3: And, 40:40 Speaker 3: yeah, s b is HBG is going to be high? 40:44 Speaker 2: And what's the question? So, he's around. What are the TRT protocol would you recommend? What TRT? I'm not really Okay. Understand where they went, but, like, TRT. 40:54 Speaker 3: Yes. 40:55 Speaker 3: I would do TRT. I would go to the doctor, get your blood and and you just did your blood test. What does the doctor say? The TRG. Right? I always everybody's different. Like, we've talked about it. I mean, if we're looking at 41:06 Speaker 3: the doctor's probably gonna give you TES-0.8. 41:09 Speaker 3: That's in UK. This in UK. UK might give you TES-3E. I think it is TES-18E. But frankly, 41:14 Speaker 3: there's no difference who in 41:16 Speaker 2: cares? You know what's crazy? Because you got the TES-3E that's generally 300 mgs, 41:20 Speaker 2: and the TES-SIP is 200 mgs, so it's less shooting. 41:23 Speaker 3: Like, it's just a higher dose. Yeah. Have dose. Right. You'd have to do less oil. But every doctor generally starts people off pretty low and then come back in like a month, and we take the blood test and see how much you raise so they don't just overdose it. But, you know, 180 100 100 41:38 Speaker 3: to 100 maybe to 200 mg a 41:42 Speaker 3: week of testosterone, 41:43 Speaker 3: just a basic TRT dose with test e. Push your limits, train with precision, 41:47 Speaker 0: see the results. At Equinox, 41:50 Speaker 0: that's high performance loving. 41:51 Speaker 0: Iconic spaces that inspire. 41:54 Speaker 0: Personal training backed by real data, unlimited group fitness classes from yoga and pilates to strength and conditioning. Elevate your post performance ritual with saunas, steam rooms, cold plunges, and more. 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Wanna do it daily. Yeah. It gets old, but, like, I do 3. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Mhmm. 43:02 Speaker 2: And 43:04 Speaker 3: that is what I would do, and I would have that 43:07 Speaker 3: doctor 43:08 Speaker 3: that's what the doctor will probably have him do. 43:11 Speaker 3: The total test is $3.96, 43:13 Speaker 3: so it depends on what doctor you go to, though. Okay? I don't know about about The UK, but if you go to an HMO in The United States, they will not give you they will not give you testosterone 43:24 Speaker 3: because you are not below 43:26 Speaker 3: that prescribing recommendation, which is 200 or 250 nanograms per deciliter. 43:31 Speaker 3: But still 3 96 is pretty low. 43:34 Speaker 3: That's low, and you should not have to live basically, you shouldn't have to live like that. No. 43:39 Speaker 3: But keep working at burning, getting the fat off, and life and everything will be easier. Right? It's like a snowball gathering momentum either way. 43:48 Speaker 3: The higher the fat, the more estrogen, the lower the testosterone. Right? And though and that and those all just keep separating, separating, separating. 43:57 Speaker 3: Tesso, 43:58 Speaker 3: how long before should I stop the Tesso? Also, having IGF-one test suit with a view 44:04 Speaker 3: with a view to both starting HGH. 44:07 Speaker 3: How long before should I stop Tessa Ipah? 44:11 Speaker 3: I don't understand, but if you want if you're taking Tesla, you wanna take HGH. Yeah. 44:17 Speaker 3: 5 days. 44:18 Speaker 3: Let's go 5 days. It's so fast. K. 5 days out off. Also, guys, like, if those of you who are testing your HGH and your IGF-one levels based on your HGH to see how good your HGH is, there is a huge freaking difference. Yeah. If you take that HGH dose 44:34 Speaker 3: an hour before you take your test or that morning, you should be taking these blood tests fasted, by the way, so you should be going and taking them in the morning. So let's assume you you inject your HGH that morning, take your test versus you did your HGH a day ago or 2 days ago, the 44:51 Speaker 0: the result is gonna be radically 44:53 Speaker 0: different. So 44:54 Speaker 3: just be aware. Don't be like, oh, this HGH sucks. Yeah. I did my I did my injection 2 days before my blood test, and 45:01 Speaker 3: no wonder it's showing like nothing. That's why you have to inject daily because it's fast in and fast out. In fact, lots of people inject it twice a day, 45:10 Speaker 3: okay, for that same exact reason. 45:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. 45:14 Speaker 3: You got high 45:16 Speaker 2: abdomen fat. You have a low libido. 45:19 Speaker 2: You have no motivation. 45:21 Speaker 2: Let's fix it. Yeah. For the love of God, my brother, you are gonna feel great. Now is that gonna make all your problems go away? But, dude, remember how it feels to feel horny? Like, you see your bride walk in, you're like, dude, 45:34 Speaker 2: Like, Lucy looking good. Right? Like, that's how you should be, dude. And, like, it's really easy. Like, 3 weeks 3 weeks or so, you'll feel bad. You know? You wanna obviously, like, go slow. Like Will said, maybe 1 50, maybe 1 80. 45:48 Speaker 2: Maybe for the 1st 45:50 Speaker 2: 3 weeks a month, you take 1 80 to do hundreds to just get that stuff in you. You can adapt. You know, we're not gonna say you're gonna you're gonna need to find a sweet spot, dude. But, man, you're gonna feel like a man again. You're gonna have sex drive again. You're gonna have motivation again. You won't be tired. 46:06 Speaker 2: Mhmm. Can't wait. 46:08 Speaker 2: Can't wait for you to, like because that's not how you're supposed to feel, dude. 46:11 Speaker 3: Yep. I'm 46:13 Speaker 3: reading. 46:14 Speaker 3: So hi, guys. 57 year old active female on HRT 46:18 Speaker 3: t 3 and 4. 0, wait. T 3 and 46:22 Speaker 3: 4 mg Reta once a week as I close in on my body recomp goals. No stranger to peptides. I've used AOD, 46:29 Speaker 3: SLU-, GLOW, Tessa, and IpA in the past. My question is about the newer thinking regarding the timing of Tessa and or IpA given the possible slower gastric emptying with Retta. 46:41 Speaker 3: I purchased them as individual peptides, not a combo. Tessa Ipam guessing. Should 46:47 Speaker 3: both be taken in the AM to ensure a truly fasted state given 46:52 Speaker 3: the Retta, or is it more important that the Tessa be in a fasted state and the Ipam could be taken in the evening? Last time I last time I did a course, I used 500 to 750 mg of Tessa plus 250 mg of IpA. 47:05 Speaker 3: I saw gains, but definitely retained water until I came off. Yeah. I'm so grateful for the content you put out, especially the recent interviews with other educators in the field. Right on. On. Awesome. 47:15 Speaker 3: Alright. So 47:16 Speaker 3: Yeah. You you 1st of all, like to do this since I just read the dosing portion. Yeah. You happen to be at basically the highest, like, 47:26 Speaker 3: dose 47:27 Speaker 3: effect. So the fact that you are getting water retention means that that dose right here that you're talking about Too much. Is about the highest that you're you can go. Okay? It also means that the stuff's working. 47:40 Speaker 3: It means it also, you know, it means 47:43 Speaker 3: working. That, like, your this the RET, slow gastric emptying is not blunting 47:48 Speaker 3: that, 47:50 Speaker 3: the tesa ipa so much for it not to be working, by the way. So dosing wise, 47:56 Speaker 3: don't go any higher because that's what they like, this limiting factor, 48:01 Speaker 3: dose limiting factor is this water retention. Sorry. There's nothing you can do to kind of offset that other than not take more. No. Just take less. 48:10 Speaker 3: I guess there is a little bit of and you're right about your question. 48:14 Speaker 3: Now what we're not worried about, 1st of all, in the fasted if you're not in the if you're it's not about your stomach being empty. Right? It's about nutrients 48:25 Speaker 3: and, especially, kind of sugars circulating 48:27 Speaker 3: in your body 48:28 Speaker 3: that compete for pathways 48:31 Speaker 3: with the Tessa and IpA. 48:34 Speaker 3: And, 48:35 Speaker 3: therefore, the slow gastric emptying, 48:38 Speaker 3: it's at a it's it's it's a it's a graph that is slowly going down. Right? And you're the right after you eat, yeah, cool. You're getting all the nutrients. But, really, for 48:47 Speaker 3: you know, a day later, 48:49 Speaker 3: you're not flooded with nutrients even though you might still feel a bit full. Right? The slowed gastric emptying. Your body really kinda sucks out the nutrients 48:57 Speaker 3: out of that food pretty fast even though 49:00 Speaker 3: it's taking longer to go through your stomach. 49:03 Speaker 3: So to play it safe and so 49:06 Speaker 3: the other question, I would I would keep Tesa Ipam, keep them together. Don't split those up timing. There's no rationale for that. Keep them together, and they should be together, and they're not limit they are not competing for pathways. 49:18 Speaker 3: Those are definitely synergistic working together. I do think that, yes, your best bet 49:23 Speaker 3: I guess. I think that your best bet is to take your Tessa Ipah in 49:27 Speaker 3: the morning after an all night fast 49:31 Speaker 3: and take your Retta, 49:34 Speaker 3: hell, a few hours after that. 49:37 Speaker 3: K? I would take the Retta maybe 4 hours to let that do its thing and 49:42 Speaker 3: be releasing the least amount of nutrients come the next morning. Yeah. 49:46 Speaker 3: And, really, I don't know how often you're taking your Retta. Right? I don't know. Once a week? 2, 3 times a week? This is insane. But Once a week. Once a week. So 4 Migs. So cool. You might have 1 of these Tesofipa doses that's maybe slightly blunted because of the Retta, but 50:01 Speaker 3: the rest of the time, 50:04 Speaker 3: yeah, not that big of a deal. But I I would do that. I think I personally just think that's that being in a truly fasted, 50:11 Speaker 3: no nutrient circulating state 50:13 Speaker 3: is more important even though it's not your aligns with your circadian rhythm. Yeah. Versus it aligning your circadian rhythm, but having a whole bunch of nutrients circulating. Yeah. It's been popping up more. It's great. It's a little bit like this has been a good question because, like, generally, Tesamorelin 50:28 Speaker 2: is gonna mimic your natural pulse. So we would generally say you would take it at night, 50:33 Speaker 2: where Ipah is not so much. You could take it kind of more. You could take it in the morning and night. 50:38 Speaker 2: But I think you answered that well, man. I mean, just take it in the morning and then take the the the, Reta after. You could do that, I think, the same thing at night. Oh. 50:47 Speaker 2: Personally, but, 50:48 Speaker 2: again, 50:50 Speaker 2: do both. 50:51 Speaker 2: How do you feel? Yeah. You know? Have to on yourself. You want to do it for every that's all we've done on our Do for 3 weeks, 1 way and be very strict and document it. Yeah. And then do it the other way for 3 weeks. I mean, dude, I've done that with testosterone. That's how we know a lot of that stuff about testosterone. I've done it every day. I've done it, like, 3 days. Mhmm. How do I feel the best? You're gonna feel the best by no, but, like, then they get sick of pinning. You know? Like but you know it because your own research on you and how you feel is the best reach that you can get. 51:21 Speaker 0: Yep. 51:22 Speaker 2: Alright. Am I up? Yes. In the video where you show how to combine 5 peptides into a single injection, do you draw up 10 mg 51:31 Speaker 2: of each? I think you mean 10 units. Yeah. And then inject the full 50 mg at once. Yes. I do. And make sure that you get that right person because he is not pulling 10 mg and doing 50 mg. I do the math to have 51:45 Speaker 2: generally to make it easy on myself to 51:49 Speaker 2: so that's all you do is change the water. It's math. You'll figure it out once you've kinda done this enough that if it says 1 mil, you need to add 2 mil, then it's 0.5. You know? So I do it to 10 units. 51:59 Speaker 2: So I go in the morning and just go 10, 10, 10, 52:03 Speaker 2: and then, yes, it's 50, 52:05 Speaker 2: and I inject it all in 1 to answer your question. Yes. Yep. 52:11 Speaker 3: Units. That's it. I don't know. I don't I have nothing else to respond to. Yeah. Add to that. Okay. Which 52:16 Speaker 3: is better for muscle growth when over 50 and on a low dose 52:21 Speaker 3: and on a low dose of GLP 1 of GLP 1. Okay. 52:25 Speaker 3: CGC-1MQ 52:26 Speaker 3: or HGH? 52:27 Speaker 3: Better to take at night or morning when using a GLP also. 52:31 Speaker 0: Go ahead, JD. HGH. 52:33 Speaker 0: Hands down. So it's good take will be more effective. 52:36 Speaker 2: You're taking actual 52:37 Speaker 2: human growth hormone. Yep. So 52:40 Speaker 3: Yep. And and do you like 50. Yep. And we like we said, in that, the HGH applies same rules that apply to the 2 questions ago. 52:50 Speaker 3: Just try to separate that dose from your Retta. 52:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. I do the HGH in the morning. Hell, you can even do HGH in morning and night too. I've been doing it. If you want to. I'm doing it. I mean, Josh Holyfield came on and said that's what he does and and really likes it. And JT's doing it. 53:05 Speaker 2: I feel like I've been sleeping really good since I've been doing that. No. You know? Like, is it a coincidence? I don't know. Whatever. Probably not. Probably not. Yeah. So, and and I was doing I went up to 4 for a bit just to see. I didn't like it. You know? I went back to my sweet spot up 2, 53:20 Speaker 2: but I tried it and because I've never really gone before. 53:24 Speaker 2: So I do 1 in the morning now, 1 at night, and it's been great. Mhmm. So anyways, that's easy. So I'm a 46 year old female with history of 130 53:32 Speaker 2: pound weight loss. Boom. And about about a 100 pounds lost from diet and exercise. Good for you. And 30 pounds lost, 53:40 Speaker 2: with the use of GLPs. 53:42 Speaker 2: Semaglutide now on to Subside 53:44 Speaker 2: for maintenance. 53:45 Speaker 2: Currently between 116 53:47 Speaker 2: to 120 53:48 Speaker 2: pounds at 5 2 and body fat of 17% with approximately 91 pounds of lean muscle. 53:55 Speaker 2: I am on BHRT, 53:59 Speaker 2: testosterone, progesterone, and estrogen. I lift heavy 4 days a week and have noticed muscle definition for the 1st time ever. Give me huge 54:08 Speaker 2: good stuff. Isn't it cool to see change in your body? Hard work. 54:11 Speaker 2: Have have been researching HGH, 54:13 Speaker 2: GH secretagogues, and GH releasing peptides. 54:16 Speaker 2: However, I have a history of a benign, 54:19 Speaker 2: pituitary 54:20 Speaker 2: tumor. 54:22 Speaker 2: Are there any peptides that support muscle growth without direct impact of pituitary? 54:27 Speaker 2: The tumor has been stable for many years and no longer on cabergoline 54:31 Speaker 2: to suppress prolactin levels. 54:34 Speaker 3: I think we're gonna both agree on this 1, but we'll see. She didn't even ask she didn't even ask if she should take that. She she she so, yeah, don't take don't take HCG or secutide. You'll kill it. Don't do that. Great. But you asked, is there any other peptides that will help her gain muscle 54:51 Speaker 3: besides 54:52 Speaker 3: deals that do not act on the pituitary? You 54:56 Speaker 3: know, there's some, 54:58 Speaker 3: I don't even 55:15 Speaker 3: I would do creatine. 55:17 Speaker 2: Seriously. That's what was gonna say. That's probably your best bet. Creatine to a woman's awesome. It's crazy to take. Like, you know, creatine, you can do monohydrate. A lot of people think that it bloats them. 55:28 Speaker 2: You know? 55:29 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, every person should be taking creatine. That's and let's get back to the basics. Diet. 55:36 Speaker 2: Are you eating enough protein? Women need to eat about 50 40 to 50 grams of protein right when they wake up. 55:41 Speaker 2: That's just they need to do that. How's your sleep? How's your stress? Work on those things because you're killing it. Like, not add let's not add in any peptides because you're doing great. Let's add in, like, well, so the creatine. Let's make sure your diet's prime. Let's make sure you're getting enough protein. 55:57 Speaker 2: How much do you weigh? 1 30. Eat about 130 30 56:01 Speaker 2: g of protein. 56:03 Speaker 3: You were killing it. You're doing great. Yeah. Yeah. You are doing great. You've lost a 130 pounds. You're seeing definition for the 1st time. Like, kicking ass. Yeah. Don't do anything that's gonna give you 56:12 Speaker 3: that bring anything just detrimental to you back. 56:16 Speaker 2: Welcome back. What's up? Let's just give him a say. We we we missed our friend. Yeah. We miss you, bro. Congratulations 56:23 Speaker 2: on 56:24 Speaker 2: your soon to be bride who, you know, we all love. Mhmm. It was awesome to to get to go out to you. We didn't even talk about the our Prague trip. I mean, gosh, that was awesome. I know we did on the last 1, but, man, 56:36 Speaker 2: I my eyes were blind just blown open. Mhmm. Peter Magic is the coolest dude. He's the most mellow. He doesn't talk shit on anybody. Nope. He's the kindest person. He took his 0.5 of his day to show us around. Yes. He did. And it just I loved it. I had a blast. Yeah. No. He's gotta go on. He runs a legit lab. Like, 56:55 Speaker 3: yes. 56:58 Speaker 0: Other people are doing testing. He's knocked up corners. 57:00 Speaker 3: Yeah. I hope that you all have labs 57:03 Speaker 3: facilities 57:04 Speaker 3: like his, because then we know it's legit. But, 57:07 Speaker 3: yes, he's doing it big time and absolutely, dude. Like, great integrity. He doesn't talk shit about anybody. Huge. And 57:14 Speaker 3: definitely been wronged 57:15 Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah. That's what I I mean, unfortunately, the more money you make, the more success you have. Right? Everybody wants 57:22 Speaker 3: a piece of that, wants steal your shit. Yeah. Right? He's like, dude, we get I get extortion, 57:28 Speaker 3: hacking attempts, 57:30 Speaker 3: all types of stuff all the time. Yeah. And that's just most mellow 57:34 Speaker 2: dude. You don't know. You would never know it. Nope. His crew is awesome. All the gals and guys that worked there were kind as hell. 57:41 Speaker 0: It was rad. It was rad. They loved him. They loved his job. And favorite 57:47 Speaker 0: food in Prague? 57:48 Speaker 0: Pizza. 57:49 Speaker 0: I'm 57:51 Speaker 0: sorry, Prague. 57:53 Speaker 2: The Czech Republic food is not years. No. It's There you go. Them. Question from the crowd was what is your favorite food in Prague? Well, I mean, I'll tell you I'll tell you. You already know because I told you this earlier, but, like, I'll tell you what I my favorite 58:06 Speaker 2: what I had at Prague, I ate it twice because I loved it so much, more than and unfortunately, it wasn't, like, Prague food or whatever that is, like, schnitzel and stuff like that. Yeah. Thank you. I had a steak and I had some, coaster and carnivore. So had steak and I had 58:19 Speaker 2: some, steak tartare 58:21 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. It was good. And I was walking around and, like, meeting the people. They had an ice cream shop Mhmm. Mhmm. That I ate it every night. And then 1 night I walked and I wanted the ice cream show back because it's this creamy ice cream, and they closed, and I was so bastards. Yeah. 58:33 Speaker 2: You know? But, anyways, my favorite that I had was this Indian place that was staring at me. It was right across the the street from this hotel, and I'm like, I don't know about Indian food. I've never I don't even know if I've ever had Indian food. But I asked the concierge, is that Indian food good? Because I'd had a lot of hotel hotel food was good. Well, ate steak and burger patties. Good. The condors. But the hotels and the eggs are like, you don't need anything like, nothing else? Like, no. Burger patty eggs, please. Thanks. But, anyways, I went over there, and it was amazing, dude. Like Yeah. 59:04 Speaker 2: What is it? 59:05 Speaker 2: Marcelo, 59:06 Speaker 2: tiki marsala. Tiki marsala. Tiki. Until I went back the next day, they're like, talk so soon? Yeah. So It's good. And the Indians can make some spicy food too. Holy shit. You better be careful. Put your level of that so soon. Spiciness in an Indian food? God. Yeah. It could be really, really good, though. Yeah. I told the guy to hold the camera. Hey, bro. Can you do the camera for me real quick? And I did, like, salad eat here. Good for you. I actually eat carbs with that 1 because it was so good. The bread and the rice. The non bread. I grow carnivore on that. That bread? That yes. Great. God. 59:34 Speaker 3: So the Czech Republic 59:36 Speaker 3: food is very similar to, like, Austrian German. 59:40 Speaker 0: So it is wiener schnitzel. 59:42 Speaker 2: A lot of, like, hot doggy stuff. 59:44 Speaker 3: Yeah. Exactly. Like, 59:46 Speaker 3: Like, bratwurst, pickled cheese. 59:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. 59:49 Speaker 3: Ali ordered some we're like, hey. We wanna go to some, like, authentic Czech restaurant, and and the bellhop guy sent us a place, and she's like, 59:56 Speaker 3: and I don't like Czech food. She's like, it's like chicken 59:59 Speaker 3: and taco sauce. I don't know what that is. It did have weird sauce, bro. Yeah. 1:00:03 Speaker 3: It's funny. You know what I learned? You know what veal is? Yeah. I 1:00:07 Speaker 0: had no idea. Do you know what happens if you have veal and it's white meat? No. 1:00:12 Speaker 0: That means you've eaten the baby cow 1:00:14 Speaker 3: before it's well, it's like, no, it's a cow. Yeah. It's a cow. I thought it was a I always thought it was a sheep. No. It's cow. Yeah. It's a cow. So it's a baby Yeah. 1:00:24 Speaker 3: But if you have you you can get white meat veal, and that means that that that baby is under 12 old. 1:00:31 Speaker 2: Damn. 1:00:31 Speaker 2: This is like you're eating like a cow fetus. It's kinda gross. Know if I've ever really had. I'm sure I've taken a bite of it, but it's not something I would order. I ordered it in Italy, and then I looked at it. I thought it was I thought it was lamb. I don't know. 1:00:44 Speaker 2: Lamb. Sheep. I don't like lamb. Do you like lamb? Yes. I do like lamb chops. Absolutely. It's definitely an acquired taste for lamb. But the veal kinda grossed me up. 1:00:53 Speaker 0: And I've ever had it. I'm sure I have. But But I did have wiener schnitzel, which I think was also like a veal. It's like really flat skirt steak, but schnitzel 1:01:01 Speaker 0: breaded. 1:01:03 Speaker 0: I thought that was pretty good. 1:01:05 Speaker 3: Good trip, man. But it was a great trip. Prague is freaking gorgeous. Gorgeous. And is 1 of the only, 1:01:11 Speaker 3: capital cities left in Europe that was not devastated in World War 2, and so that's why there's still so many freestanding buildings that are like ancient, really, really old, 1:01:20 Speaker 3: and it is still all together. 1:01:22 Speaker 3: The only time he was ever injured in World War 2 was, when the Americans bombed it on accident thinking it was Dresden. 1:01:29 Speaker 2: We hired a guy to film, which I'm so glad we did, 1:01:33 Speaker 2: to come out and film the whole experience. 1:01:36 Speaker 2: And Yeah. He just loved his job and just gave us so much cool information. He made us stop. I don't know where we stopped at. I don't remember the name of it. In Prague Castle. Prague Castle. And we took so many different videos, and he had talked to the guards and let us, like, walk through there and, like, to get them, like, you know, we're putting together a YouTube, like, on it to kinda because it's so cool. Yeah. It was fun, man. He was he was cool. I love it. I've talked to him a few times on what's up. What's So what's up, Yan? Hopefully, in case you're watching this I caught him thinking of a wand. Yeah. You caught him wand. I'm like, he's like, 1:02:07 Speaker 0: so what else? Super funny. On the top of the castle so 1st of all, in Prague Castle, they also had the guards just like at Buckingham Palace, right, that cannot 1:02:16 Speaker 0: Move. Flinch or move. Yeah. God. That just sucks. I feel bad for the few hours. But he said they only their shifts only a few hours doing On top of the castle gates, and I kept saying, that's amazing. There's, like, 20 foot tall 1:02:28 Speaker 0: statues of, like, scenes of brutal 1:02:31 Speaker 0: murder. 1:02:32 Speaker 0: 1 dude, like, with his, like, bronze club, the club's this big, with his knee on somebody's head with a club like this. 1:02:40 Speaker 0: And then the other 1, the other side was this was was a dude with a with a big ass sword and just impaling someone right through the forehead. 1:02:50 Speaker 0: So don't mess with the Prague royalty castle, I guess. No mess. 1:02:54 Speaker 2: Super fun, man. So listen, guys. 1:02:57 Speaker 2: We have a lot of outlets where you can reach us. We got YouTube. We got social media, IG. We got 1:03:04 Speaker 2: both podcasts. There's all kinds, youth school. 1:03:08 Speaker 2: Give us some feedback on what 1:03:10 Speaker 2: subjects you would like to talk about. There seems like a lot of ladies have some questions, and they're really interested in the in the hormones and stuff. So we really are trying to giving you a lot trying to give you a lot of gut health. There's so much that comes from just fixing your gut. Your whole life will get better. So, Tiffany Marie Davis, she was on last time. Hope you guys loved her. My podcast with her comes out on Tuesday where you get a little bit more of her. 1:03:35 Speaker 2: So give us some feedback. If you have some doctors or somebody that you think would be great, we'll research them. And if it's a fit, we'll see if we can get them on. So because we wanna give you guys what you want. So Yeah. Other than that, we will catch you next round. 1:03:49 Speaker 2: Jake Campbell's coming in Mignano. That'll be fun. That'll be cool. Check out school. There's more 1:03:55 Speaker 0: I did a 1:03:57 Speaker 3: for this presentation out there on the bio regulators. So, like, Doctor. Kavitsin's Russian 1:04:03 Speaker 3: scientist who long time ago, right, was the 1 who basically, like, started the research into peptides and especially bio regulators and was the 1 who'd done all the 1:04:11 Speaker 3: and there is the known as like the Kevinson peptides. 1:04:15 Speaker 3: And 1:04:16 Speaker 3: so if you wanna learn more about that, I just thought that because, like, Epitalon, 1:04:20 Speaker 3: there's some other 1:04:22 Speaker 3: some other ones that we talk about all the time, if you're all interested in where the original research is on those or what the hell is a bioregulator is versus a peptide, 1:04:31 Speaker 3: go to our school. Check it out. A lot of it. A lot of info in there. Like, we we have we've actually been trying to get a vet 1:04:38 Speaker 3: to come in and discuss peptides. Now it's tough. There's absolutely 1:04:42 Speaker 3: no use in the veterinary medicine for for to talk to peptide. Like, no approved use. And so it's hard to get a licensed professional that will come on and say anything. Now we do have we did we have been talking to a vet who's 1:04:56 Speaker 3: willing to talk about potential advances. Yeah. Safe to say. 1:05:00 Speaker 2: And so if if I've heard. If yeah. If that interests people, let us know. Yeah. I think a lot of people do. Yeah. Just give us feedback, man. We listen. We read them all, 1:05:10 Speaker 2: and we appreciate all your kind comments. You know, some of your unkind comments, we don't appreciate those on our Instagram after we went to Prague and try to give you good info. But, hey, there's always dickheads in the crowd. Always dickheads. 1:05:22 Speaker 2: We love you guys. Catch you next time. Yep. Bye bye.