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1:15Speaker 2We are still in Prague, Will and I. I am your host, JD Denham across the way in the room down
1:25Speaker 3Good to be here. It's good to not have a view of the roof 4 feet away from me, like every other hotel I get.
1:45Speaker 3he always gets the room, like, on the Top Floor with the view of everything, and I get the room on the 1st Floor with the top of the building and the air conditioning units right outside of my room. Why? I think this is life, because I don't really care, but you care, and that's just how life is. It's how it is. You know what I mean? Absolutely.
2:04Speaker 3Totally. It is, bro. My it's like my father, my father, when I was a kid driving, it's the whole time we're driving going, Oh, I'm gonna get these red lights. I can't believe these red lights.
2:28Speaker 2about, you know, everybody has, well, I'll think of, for example, as my bride, like just, she's this bubbly, you call her
2:34Speaker 2golden retriever, which is a perfect way to explain her. Especially always in a good mood, but like you can't be around again, a bad mood around somebody like that. They're just uplifting. Their energy is infectious,
2:45Speaker 2you know? And then, but on the other side, got some guy that's just always bitching and like, you know what I mean? You're like, Oh bro, I don't want to go around Ron, dude. Here comes Ron. Fucking
2:55Speaker 2Ron. Oh man. Yeah. I call them positivity vampires, dude. Yeah. We all have them, dude. And it's, you know, it's crazy is that I
3:03Speaker 2don't know if this is just my journey in life, or you can tell me your opinion on this, but it took me a long time to catch up to how important it is to cut those people out of your life. Like cut them out. Like I can't be around that
3:20Speaker 2want to be around guys that think big and do big, you know, like that. But on the same thing, like you gotta get, like, you can't be around people that are negative, dude, and think negative and like, think like we're supposed to like be in this little box. Like you gotta get away from those people. Like you gotta be around positive people if, you know what I mean? It's really contagious, man. Yes,
4:00Speaker 3it sure is true. She's gray. I got some wisdom because I've been through some shit. Yeah, absolutely. I think that that's definitely a function of wisdom. I think it's also a function of when
4:13Speaker 3I guess I didn't have as many people in life because they were all younger kids like me who were
4:24Speaker 3not only that people are born inherently just complainers the whole time, now some people are, but I think as you get older, you encounter more and more people because they get older and they get more cynical and think that
4:55Speaker 2or like have positive message. I mean, those are the people that, you know, we try to be around. I was telling Alyssa tells this story, which is funny. She probably tells it a little bit
5:19Speaker 2she never told me this, but she would always say, hate when he says that because at 23, you think you know everything. Like, you know everything, bro. Like, you are established.
5:48Speaker 3There's just not much substance. It's not their fault. It's just like, it's just always, I haven't really lived that long. Yeah, you have not tasted life yet. You know, people talk about like, Oh, you gotta date a younger woman like,
6:04Speaker 2that young. Like, right here. Yeah. I have a buddy that, he, he's ironically now getting married, but he was he's my age, grew up with him. And, gosh, even to the day, he would always date these 23 year olds, you know? And like, they were good looking. He's a good looking guy. But like, bro, they don't there's no way a 23 year old and a 40 year old
6:24Speaker 2can jive on conversation unless it's a very immature conversation. You know what I mean? Like, just be honest. Yeah. Not much substance.
6:32Speaker 3No, there's not. I mean, unless, you know, there's there are some there's some, you know, some outliers in that. Right? There's some super mature people, but yeah, for the most part, absolutely not.
6:45Speaker 2so how have you how has Prague been for you? We've not, like, talked about you before going to Galapag. How's it been?
6:51Speaker 3It's been great. You know, we're trying to get out and explore the city. I think it's gorgeous. I think the the cool thing in Prague is there's
6:59Speaker 3They do say so I looked at some of the stuff up, but like Prague is why it's uniquely historic
7:06Speaker 3it's a super old city, but it was 1 of the cities that literally did not ever get devastated in World War 2. Right? 1 of the very few European major cities that didn't just get burnt to the ground. The only people who actually bombed Prague was The United States on accident because we thought it was a city in Germany.
7:26Speaker 3But it's all here. It's all still here, original. Right? And you can see it all, and it's pretty amazing. It looks like it's kind of fake. You know? Yeah. Every every building is super old and really tall, and the city's all the streets are cobblestone.
7:44Speaker 3me the, like, Soviet influence. Right? So when they were under the Soviet Union, we know the Soviet communist,
7:53Speaker 3well, basically, they built, like, project housing. Right? Yeah. They didn't it's all about, like, it was all about equality and everybody gets the same thing, and and we gotta do these for cheap. So they just build these giant
8:09Speaker 3Right? All these they have buildings that are just that are pink and yellow, not next to them, and then that was they basically said, well, only way to make the Soviet buildings look somewhat nicer, make them happier and not just gray concrete was to just paint them multicolored. Right. Thought that was interesting when you quote us. We, well, not yesterday,
8:31Speaker 2and we had hired a videographer for a local guy. And it was funny because everything's different. It's a different country and it's just very different here. And like, you know, he had said, I'll just do it from my iPhone. And I was kinda like, I don't know about that, you know? But like, anyways, long story short with that, he was great. Like, he was not only like a cool guy, he filled us in on just a lot of culture and just a lot of the history.
8:53Speaker 2And he was great at what he did. You know, we stopped off and did a couple things and like,
8:57Speaker 3we wouldn't have done that if he wasn't there. We wouldn't have known to go there. So- No, and he like forced us to, which is cool. He gets in the car, we don't know him, and he just starts speaking Czech to the driver. Yeah.
9:14Speaker 3And we're like, all right, but that's not kind of the plan, but whatever. He took control. He did. And it was cool.
9:21Speaker 2Yeah, we went to the castle and like, he, not only that, he like talked to the guard because it's guarded by, you know, military guys. And he talked to them and, like, let us go inside and kind of walk out for the scene. That's cool. Right? Yeah. So- It seems the Czech people I've noticed are, well, a, they're bigger people, which thank God, then like the hotel, the gym equipment in the hotel, I fit on. Amazing, because everybody's bigger here, but they're also it feel like really direct and literal.
9:49Speaker 3Now could be the language barrier a little bit, but everybody's English is pretty darn good. Pretty good. But they are
9:55Speaker 3like, literal, like, they're, you know and I guess, again, language barrier, but you ask them a question, they answer that question specifically and not
10:05Speaker 3from that question that makes them kind of expand on the question. Yeah, that elaboration.
10:14Speaker 2a great experience. The time change for me, I've never done 15 hours ahead. It's 9 hours, but the flight was 15 hours. And that's been pretty rough. Like, I mean, I adapt pretty well to stuff, but my body's trying to figure out what freaking time it is. I was telling Will before we started recording, I was talking to my wife last night as I was literally going to bed and
10:36Speaker 2hard to like wrap your brain around it. That's just, they're going on about to go to bed and I'm waking up. It's just trippy stuff. Yeah. In fact, I think it's
10:56Speaker 2so you have some time to adapt. I leave in a couple of days, so I'll probably adapt and then have to go home and then adapt.
11:05Speaker 2know, but it is what it is. We were in Prague. What am I complaining about? Nothing. It's cool. Like, look what we're doing, man. Life is pretty And damn
11:13Speaker 3it's the Prague summer, but it's still about 70 degrees outside and kind of cloudy and- A little crisp. It's supposed to warm up a little bit today and tomorrow, but
11:21Speaker 3yeah, it's not hot, actually. Thank God, which is really nice for just walking around and sightseeing.
11:27Speaker 3I don't like doing that stuff when it's 95 degrees. Probably 95 degrees. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
11:33Speaker 2Yeah, it's pretty cool, man. It's been Chris. I did that a lot this morning, took a long walk. It was great. What was your take on,
11:40Speaker 2Janoszepatide? I know that, most people, that one's kind of directed since we're in Prague and we flew out there. That was the objective for us being here. What was your take on it? Well, I think we got like 6 questions that may answer that, but
11:56Speaker 3fully impressed. Think my take on it is holy crap, there is a lot that they do, and they
12:12Speaker 3actual results. Like, the amount of time that they waste not making money, like, what I mean by that, they
12:18Speaker 3have if 1 sample, a lot of this is really subjective, and again, I'll talk about this, but
12:25Speaker 3it's subjective, but if they see if it's not really obvious what that result is, right, they put it through so many more tests and pass it down to the line of people just to ensure that they're getting a really, really perfectly accurate test.
12:39Speaker 3And so that means is they care and just do things right for the sake of doing things right.
12:50Speaker 2that is the culture here or do you think that's just Peter Magic and what he enforces in his business? I know that's a sub- kind of a- it's a total opinion question that you will give if you don't know,
13:02Speaker 3but right? Because in The United States- Yeah, yeah, don't know. I think it is the culture, to be honest. Like, I think that Peter also,
13:21Speaker 3just because like everybody wants stuff so fast. Right? They just wanna make money and step on everybody else to get there.
13:33Speaker 3be in this little bit slower pace, smaller community that it's still a bit, just feels a bit older.
13:43Speaker 2Yeah, probably because they're not so wrapped up in the rat race. Americans are so caught up in that rat race. I think that, you know, that stuff spreads, you know, kind of like a cancer, if you will. No, that's the proper way to say that. But,
13:57Speaker 2I think when you get in that rat race, you just start getting used to chasing that thing and you want it now and you cut corners.
14:08Speaker 2this isn't, and 1 of the things we try to focus on is just the customer service because
14:12Speaker 2it has fallen at the wayside for most companies, you know? It just really has, man. We've talked about it numerous times, but dude, I can't even tell you how many things we've ordered and we can't even get anybody on the damn phone if there's a Like that sucks. And that's 1 of the reasons when we started our companies, we're like, listen, we gotta, let's fix that. Let's fix that problem because we need to be a,
14:36Speaker 3need to be able to get ahold of us. Get ahold of us. I mean, yeah. Get a text message and email and us respond and actually like treat them as human beings and fix the problem. Right. Yeah.
15:08Speaker 2we always get to hear people in the DMs and like comments and stuff. It's cool. There's quite a few people that are in Prague that are, wow, you guys are here, so it's been kind of cool. So I'm assuming some of them listen to the podcast. Your country is awesome. I've enjoyed it. I think it's amazing.
15:27Speaker 2like for me, is the best food's been here at the hotel, though his food is off the charts here, dude. I've had some
15:39Speaker 3like Czech cuisine is maybe, I mean, it's kind of similar to German food. It's not really for everybody. I mean,
15:56Speaker 3Not for everybody, but yeah, this hotel is this food is great here. I was eating breakfast with little John this morning.
16:12Speaker 3do. We were at the Seahawks game last time in the playoffs, and he performed there. Wonderful.
16:22Speaker 3a black guy with an entourage here wearing cowboy boots and long dreads and cowboy hat. Just look out. So I was like, who's that? And then I just looked at him like, okay, that's who it is. That's funny.
16:34Speaker 2That's rad, man. Well, cool dude. Let's get cracking. Today's a Q and A. We wanted to do 1 here. I'm glad we did.
16:59Speaker 3do the honors and start us off like always? Number 1. Hey, guys. Thank you for everything you do.
17:05Speaker 3This question is more so for my wife. Hard to find a lot of info for women and peptides.
17:23Speaker 3I feel, and protein is about a 100 grams a day. I tell her she needs to eat more, but obviously the appetite suppression from Retta gets in the way. She feels that she's losing too much muscle. My thoughts were to taper down on the Retta and try some Tessa along with IGF-1LR-three
17:41Speaker 3for trying to put on some lean tissue. Your thoughts and any other advice on researching for muscle growth? PS, she's a vegan.
17:54Speaker 3He's always a cheat I do not know what the Proverbs 17 17 is. I'm assuming he's not a vegan. No, probably not. Nobody he wrote that. What does Proverbs 17 17 be? Live and let live or something like that? I don't know. Let's look. I'm curious.
18:17Speaker 3Still, a loss of 20 pounds is still pretty damn good from April. That's actually like a healthy
18:27Speaker 3happen. As we know in lots of other questions, people who are experienced who've experienced really heavy weight loss,
18:44Speaker 3lose weight proportionally and consistently. Go ahead. But yeah, if she's eating too much muscle, then she's not eating enough protein. I mean, that's the easy way to solve it is eat more protein. It's not the be all end all, but
18:58Speaker 3and especially being a vegan, that's tough and that's a personal problem that she's gonna need to figure out sources of protein.
19:23Speaker 3weeks on, 2 weeks to 4 weeks off of the IGF-one and keep it low, but run the Tessa consistently,
19:56Speaker 3But you're on the right track. You can small frequent meals and taper down on the Reta a little bit. 4 Migs is not that high. It's not super high, but
20:04Speaker 3she can go down. It's just she needs to just try it, see how she feels, see how the appetite
20:15Speaker 2Yeah, Tesofensine is great. I, was kind of curious if you were going to say like, touch on the vegan thing at all. I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of curious about, is that for,
20:36Speaker 2know, you look at them now and man, they're radically different, you know what I mean? So, I don't know. I would consider
20:43Speaker 2maybe adding in some meat. I know that's probably not what I should say, but it would do a lot of wonders for her for sure. It's hard to get into
21:01Speaker 3do vegans eat fish? No, right? No, no. I don't think it's any just you just can't have any animal products.
21:19Speaker 3you know, that's her burden to bear if that's what she chooses. There's enough you do a little research, you can find proteins.
21:37Speaker 2I think the form makes, she doesn't say what she wants to lose and doesn't say her age.
21:43Speaker 2So that would definitely play a role in some of the way that we answer this. Because again, Tess is great. I think everybody at this point knows our stance on HGH,
22:04Speaker 2it's better than Tessa, in my opinion, it's gonna do better for her. But Tessa's gonna be great. She's on MOTS-331R
22:13Speaker 2what we've learned now is if you're taking MOTS-three before you run the SS-thirty 1, it can make you tired. Not always, but if you run the SS-thirty 1, it's gonna really fix that mitochondria and then you run the MOTS-three, it's gonna work a little better.
23:08Speaker 2Retta if we don't have to, you know? You can get away with 2. I don't know how much she wants to lose, but if you can fix the base,
23:46Speaker 2very close to remission. Over the past couple of years, have completely transformed my health by focusing on the foundation 1st, not just peptides.
23:58Speaker 2at 02:20 at 5.2 and lost 40 pounds in 4 months. Wow, that's a lot of weight. Later transitioned to Retta and lost another 40 pounds, wow, about 3.5 months. That's a lot of weight quickly.
24:19Speaker 2good girl, before diving deeper into peptides. Here are current recent peptide protocols.
24:42Speaker 2some of my Crohn's related GI symptoms have started creeping back in. What can I do since some have been have to be cycled off? That's a good question.
25:29Speaker 3Here's what I would do is like, I think that it sounds to me like it was the lack of BPC that is potentially allowing some of those symptoms to show through again. So
25:39Speaker 3I'd run an experiment on myself if I was you. If you are taking KPV alone, great. Keep doing that. Why don't you just straight up add in BPC
25:48Speaker 3back to maybe the levels of the CLO? I would add, you know, maybe 1 mg a week or, I mean, up
25:59Speaker 0add that in. See what Push your limits. Train with precision. See the results. At Equinox,
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26:50Speaker 3You could do it the same thing also with GHK CU alone. Although I think that it probably is more related to BPC,
26:57Speaker 3but that would make sense, and I'm super happy that that that they're very close to remission. So I would like get on that. I would do I'd get on doing some experiment to see how you can make sure those symptoms stay away and Crohn's
27:17Speaker 2noticed that since cycling off Clo, some of my Crohn's related GI symptoms have started creeping back in.
27:27Speaker 2I would think a lot of that is diet related. I've had problems and autoimmune problems for a long time myself. So
27:37Speaker 2related. I think I've shared this numerous times, but I had cured my autoimmune with carnivore. So I did it,
27:45Speaker 2after 6 months. Soon as I strayed just a little bit from the carnivore, it came back and it's been here ever since. Now I
27:59Speaker 2are weird. I don't know. I think, that type of stuff, any GI stuff is really important to really be strict on diet
28:10Speaker 2As Will just said, I don't want to say repeated the exact same thing. Go off that and then KPV
28:14Speaker 2orals and BPC orals. Add those in for you along with the injections. I do both myself.
28:25Speaker 2Add those 2 orals in. I know that, we've mentioned this numerous times that people think orals don't work. Certain orals do. We would not, you know, like we wouldn't like talk about them if they weren't,
28:37Speaker 2they didn't work well, you know? So if you have a company that has mainly orals, no, and you're going to talk about multiple compounds,
28:44Speaker 2they don't, a lot of them aren't going to work. These ones do, you know, and we put our stamp of approval on those orals. Another 1 that we didn't talk about here is a TA-one, Thymosin Alpha-one.
29:09Speaker 2diet's going to play the big role in that, but TA-one, you're going to kind of have to ease into that because it can enhance it if you're having a flare up.
29:18Speaker 2But it really does. The cool thing I like about it, whether it works well for me or not, is it has a beacon, has a governor
29:24Speaker 2that if your immune system needs to be revved up to have a higher immune system, it will do that. If it needs to be revved down because of an autoimmune
29:39Speaker 2try that if you don't have that in there. Try, TA-one and see how that works. And then you said you had a glutathione on the bench, why? Run it now. Glutathione is awesome. It's been around forever.
29:51Speaker 2I think that you should put that into play now, you know, and adding some simple ones in which everybody should take, which is glutathione
30:13Speaker 2think through when you took out the clo, did you change your diet at that time? Because it might be the diet and not the clo is my point. So think on that. I don't know. Maybe.
30:32Speaker 3slash stiffness that flares up every few weeks. Mechanical issues. Currently taking BPC and TB 500.
30:43Speaker 3Given it's my big toe joint, where could I localize the injection site with BPC and TB? Love the podcast.
31:38Speaker 3Haven't had it really in need to, but- there's a lot of chatter out there. A lot of people like it. Yep. Yeah. And I know we have some employees using it right now.
32:01Speaker 3and I would I would try and add in Thymosin Alpha and maybe look into ARA-two 90. It sure can't hurt.
32:12Speaker 3Maybe it's gout. Gout is like an acid buildup and can really hurt, and then that gets fought on with nutrition.
32:21Speaker 3I can't tell you, I don't know the exact gout protocol, but like it's a common issue and people
32:33Speaker 3And there's some, there's easy steps to take. If you have your big toe, now I have like,
32:38Speaker 3I have turf toe, also. Like my big toe, I think it's also for my feet growing too big, too fast, and always wearing too small shoes. I have a size 15 foot,
32:47Speaker 3and it's tough to buy shoes, but like for injections, right, big toe, there's a little, you can just pinch your skin a little bit here
33:11Speaker 3in through the skin completely. You're not ejecting it in the dermis layer, but actually into that sub q layer. So do your best to get it really near, to get it near the pain. Can
33:37Speaker 2That's awesome. I love how Will and I changed these up to where we don't, we would sit down and go through them really quickly before, and then we changed it to where we do these separate and we read through them. And I'm always kind of curious if we're going to have some of the same answers. I always run when we do because,
33:51Speaker 2diet is huge, man. I'm not going to repeat what he just said. The 1 thing I will add on to that is how much are you taking?
33:57Speaker 2You could take a lot. For sure. Shit. Like I would be taking a lot. I don't, I was thinking the same thing as a gout. Do you drink? If you drink a lot, that's probably what it is. I'm not saying you do or you don't. I had a buddy that had that in his toe. He couldn't even sleep with the covers on because he drank all the time and he couldn't even sleep with covers on because he would rub on his big toe. So I don't know if that's you or not, but that could be it.
34:22Speaker 2work on that stuff. You know, we always want to take something to get rid of something, but a lot of that is,
34:36Speaker 2I know that probably isn't what you want to hear, but move, get blood flowing, walk on it probably a little bit. Like, you know what I mean?
34:48Speaker 2you would have an ankle problem or some injury and like, you know, you'd have the 1 guys that'd be sitting there and like, always just played through that shit, man. And like, healed quick. Why? Because whatever, sometimes you just gotta play through some injuries, man, it is what it is, but it would exudite the healing's why blood flow, blood flow, Yep, blood yep, yep, yep. Just really, really wake up the healing response. Yeah, man, if you hurt
35:22Speaker 2and up the BPC and the TB. We'll just said you can inject it in your toe, but if you take higher
35:29Speaker 2you can do it sub Q. I do a lot in my leg and, you know, but, when I had back surgery, I didn't,
35:34Speaker 2you know, I didn't take it in my back. I took it sub Q and that shit worked well. I took a lot though. So BPC
35:47Speaker 2and eat right move and make sure that you're not eating a bunch of crap food, food, inflammatory
35:57Speaker 2know, you should be strict on your diet. I think diet alone, if you really are strict, could probably fix your problem. But, so hope that's enough that we just threw at you that you can try. Yep. The other thing is too, I have
36:11Speaker 3feet and have broken. I have 2 pins in my left 1. Have a pin in my right 1. Broke my 2nd metatarsalin,
36:19Speaker 3And didn't really well, I knew it. It hurt like hell, but took X rays. And since it was, when the X rays are taking non weight bearing, they couldn't see the break, and I played the whole, like,
36:42Speaker 3that has caused some, like, long term damage in my right foot. I have to that and, like, wearing 2 small shoes all the time. And
36:50Speaker 3I wear orthotics in absolutely everything, no matter what. Like I have 4 pairs of orthotics that I cannot
36:55Speaker 3I buy shoes and I pull the soles out, throw them away, and I put my orthotics in. I have the 0.75 ones, the full length 1. I also have
37:07Speaker 3I would well, early on, I would just take a paper towel and, like, fold it up and then
37:24Speaker 3it would stem from it doing this 1, give them like the hammer toe type thing. Right? Sure. And that would kill me. And then I'm running, stopping
37:31Speaker 3like that and pushing on that joint this way, that hurt like hell. So the toe spacer has helped a lot to keep that in line. Now, I
37:43Speaker 3I don't know, at some point doctors say they're gonna have to break my foot again and just redo the whole thing. But,
38:00Speaker 3Next 1, mine. I'm up. Nope, you're up. You're reading. The last 1 on this page. I would
38:21Speaker 2I'm a 50 year old woman who wants to be active and healthy, but in so much pain it is hard to do. On Wolverine and KPV, small amount of Retta.
38:44Speaker 2Mean, meds is what really activated my drug addiction. I didn't really have a full blown drug addiction until pain meds came into play when I hurt my back the 1st time at 25. And then I was taking something on a daily basis and I liked it and my
39:01Speaker 2pain meds, interdental with a guy that has 5 surgeries and multiple surgeries on his knee.
39:06Speaker 2They don't do shit. Let's be honest. Do they help? Maybe tiny, tiny bit. They slow down healing.
39:27Speaker 2that crap. It's just the truth. 1 of things Willow is telling me, and I've always told the story because I love it, about the Germans, how they can't, they don't take pain meds
39:40Speaker 2Like, I'm not, you're a 50 year old woman, I'm not telling you you need to go through pain, but like,
39:45Speaker 2they don't take pain meds for a reason and like we can learn from that a little bit. Like you're 50 years old, I'm 49, we're the same age. I hurt all the time.
39:55Speaker 2My shoulders always hurt. My back always hurts. Like sometimes my knee, like I think that's part of the game if you're going to be an active person.
40:02Speaker 2But if you're sitting there and not moving, my dear, wrong answer. Like, take the painkillers out for a 2nd. Like,
40:18Speaker 2You're just zombie like, Ugh. You know what I mean? Like, you're just, you're null and void, man. It steals your soul.
40:32Speaker 2So I would say without a doubt, get off those. If you've been taking them for a while, you're probably going to need some type of help,
40:41Speaker 2That's if you don't have a problem with them. Most people that take them for a while will have a problem with them. It's math,
40:50Speaker 2You might need some help with that. That's between you and you. If you have some questions on that, we're both sober. We would be happy to, talk with you through that. That's stuff that we do all the time for people, because we're sober, we always have times for sobriety.
41:16Speaker 2So that's what my recommendation is to your question. How did I do it? I only took a couple. I didn't take that much. Yeah. Well, look at- knew I was going to feel quicker. I wanted to eat my goal when I got out my last surgery is get my ass back in the gym. We will tell you, I saw a picture of me the other day, the 1st like 6 months of our business, was in freaking ish, right? Remember Will? Yeah, yeah. I was in so much freaking pain. I was working 14 hour days and I still went to the gym. I was dying,
41:44Speaker 2but I still went to the gym because I knew that I needed to kind of, 1, I know myself and I need to work out no matter what because it's important because I don't want to stab somebody. And 2, like, I'm joking, I was like, but like, 2, like, you gotta keep yourself moving. You gotta keep yourself moving. If you just lay on the couch and succumb to that,
42:33Speaker 2pain is pain, man. And like, I was in so much pain before the damn surgery. When I woke up, I felt great. Like the pain from the
42:45Speaker 2So like the pain from like the scar and like me being like kind of frail from like healing from that, that was nothing compared to
42:53Speaker 2that type of surgery down the Oh dude, it's like next level shit. So I took very little because my goal was to get my ass back in the gym because I love the gym and that was my goal. And yeah, you can do this. This can help to answer your question a little bit more, red light hyperbaric chambers. I did that. I did 7 full days in a row
43:30Speaker 3I have so many times in my life just so wished I could just transfer the pain that I'm feeling to somebody else and just say,
43:39Speaker 3it. Not even and not like take it away from me, just like, just taste this for like an hour.
44:07Speaker 3And I agree, I've had 15 plus surgeries. And I'll tell you what, I like pain meds because I loved what they did to me. But as far as actual pain relief, dude, it's been my experience that taking a decent dose of ibuprofen works way better than Vicodins. And
44:26Speaker 3they, you know, made my brain and body just feel kind of warm and fuzzy. But as far as the pain goes, I swear to God, Advil, ibuprofen
44:48Speaker 3Yeah, it's gonna help kind of numb some of the nerves from feeling pain. And I don't know what's causing your pain.
45:01Speaker 3hopefully you're working on actually like rehabbing and trying to get that, you know, fixed from the core cause of the pain.
45:09Speaker 3as far as peptides go, I'll just finish this Oxytocin a 2nd, everything else you said. But, yeah, adding in ARA-two 90, all the other,
45:30Speaker 3You're a man, I am. Thank you. Alright. I'm a 40 year old young wait. Yes. I'm a 40 year old young warrior on a journey that has been long in the works. My starting weight was 447
45:43Speaker 3That's heavy. And I tried a lot of different stuff. Or we're doing that 1? No. We're we're gonna put all the Janoschik ones together. Remember? Okay. Got it. So
46:00Speaker 3I'm now down to 3 80, okay, and just feeling better and better. Pounds. Wait. Wait. Fucking huge.
46:06Speaker 2Dude, that's a lot of weight. And I know like I've never been 4 47, but I can't imagine how hard that was for you. So standing ovation, man, not a lot of weight, 70 pounds. It's a human. That's a lot of weight and it's,
46:29Speaker 3who can stand up. It's not about how many times you get knocked out. It's how many times you stand back up. You can try it because there will be a lot of failure in it, but good for you. My
46:37Speaker 3question is, what can I stack with this to optimize fat burning body recomp? I go to the gym 5 days a week, lifting heavy shit, try to hit my protein at 2 80 g daily, love the show, and I think you both are truly doing the Lord's work. And can't can't thank you enough for being the real warriors to lead. Love that. Okay, man.
47:06Speaker 3no my guess is your testosterone is is drastically low and your estrogen is drastically high. Guarantee. So that needs to change and it will make life so much easier for you.
47:17Speaker 3Now a lot of people, we've had this discussion, it's like, well, maybe we should lose the weight 1st and then that will fix that problem instead throwing drugs at it. So,
47:26Speaker 3It could work at the longer play. Why do that? Yeah. Mean, think we both agree on that. Right? Like- Yeah.
47:33Speaker 3You know, from a doctor, it'd be different. I'm just gonna tell you what I would do, what I've done and what I would do, and it's not necessarily the best advice. Right? But like my decision would be to go on a low dose of testosterone. Well, I'd get the blood work done and make sure that I actually qualify. Now
47:53Speaker 3sees, you know, not just, oh, hey, you're above 2 50 nanograms per deciliter. You're fine. You don't need it. No.
48:05Speaker 3and I'd be consistent with it. And then I would keep in working my ass out. I'd be working
48:09Speaker 3working out hard. I would probably especially you got a lot to go, man. I would seriously think of doing a carnivore diet or at least to start off with some intermittent fasting.
48:26Speaker 3you know, lose weight rapidly until there comes a point you're gonna plateau. And that's to basically like a plateau buster
48:37Speaker 3eating 5 small frequent meals a day unless you do that forever. There's a problem. I think that everybody needs to be just kind of switching
48:45Speaker 3things up, right? Go carnivore for a couple months, do some intermittent fasting for a couple months, then go back to your small frequent meals.
48:57Speaker 3I don't think you really should need the growth right now. You're at 40 years old, you could do it, but
49:04Speaker 3I don't know. You can add in SLU-p. I really like SLU-p, especially, like, the high dose oral
49:34Speaker 3There's you got a lot to try, dude. Wow. And I think you're willing to try. So, like, you know, I I just don't wanna throw the whole house at you and say, dude, this all right now. Nope. Try a couple things. Run them, give them an equal shot,
49:49Speaker 3Yeah. But keep going with the round. Fat burners, there's tons. Like that part's pretty it's just there's tons of them. So,
49:56Speaker 2dude, 1st and foremost, like, let's really, like, sit on this for a 2nd about how much weight that is. 70, that's a lot. At 4 47,
50:03Speaker 2that's hard shit, man. So like, you know, you're obviously a fan of the show and like, that's what Warrior Makers is about. That's why we
50:10Speaker 2named our company that because you're a damn warrior man and you're tapping into that, You've busted through, you know, you've relit your soul and you've tasted what success
50:21Speaker 2is. I can feel it, I can feel it in your ear and how you're writing this, like, right? You're going downhill and you're ready to taste more. You want to get that weight off and you're going to, I can tell you're a badass. So again, standing ovation for that. Now,
50:34Speaker 2just sesh on it, but I want to stress it too. You gotta get on TRT, dude. Like, I know you can wait. You're going to bring down your, dude, like if you're at a 2 90 or lower testosterone,
50:46Speaker 2to lose that weight. You get on testosterone replacement, if you're not in like a couple of weeks, you're going to feel better. You're going to just have vigor back. You're going to have focus of your mind, you know, obviously sex drive, but that's the least of it. It's just energy,
51:07Speaker 2I would say HGH or 40, so I would add that in. That's a long play. I could tell you're in it for the long play. Shoot, bro, 2 IUs and put that into place and
51:35Speaker 290 days, you don't have to do it in any type of perpetuity forever. I love it. It's worked well for me. You might fall in love with it. But add in some intermittent fasting, as he said, and the carnivore brother, you will lose another a 100 pounds super quick just on the diet and intermittent fasting.
52:03Speaker 2So if you're sleeping like crap, know, and your cortisol's up, that's gonna be a bitch too. So throw on some DSIP. I thought that was a wise decision. And Will said the same thing. Sloop, I was curious who you're going to throw that in Will. Sloop,
52:15Speaker 2I would say Will, Will, if I have Mito-1MQ over the sloop because your body's going to focus on the fat burning fat, it's going to use a lot, utilize that fat. If you're doing a carnivore, it works perfect. Do you know who threw this at you? What about L-one 80? The only negative about L-one 80 is that it sucks to inject it. Yeah. But if you can get past that part,
52:37Speaker 2gosh, bro. L-one 80 is badass a because you're gonna burn fat. It's gonna really utilize that burning of fat. So if you compound
52:45Speaker 3that, dude, you're gonna light that fat on fire, brother. Yes. I don't think that there's any problem also with taking all 3 of those in fact- No, no. With Retta. I think that they all will complement each other and work slightly different ways and through different pathways and can really benefit you. So you're
53:00Speaker 3gonna hear a lot of people and you get probably all of us get a lot of information. What's the truth? You're gonna have to see what works for you. A lot of people think you can't do Reta and beyond carnivore.
53:13Speaker 3if you need to use carbs and you feel like your body is craving carbs, you can utilize them at the right times only, which is still do carnivore, but utilize carbs right before you work out and right after you work out and that's it.
53:26Speaker 2That's it. Your body is going to use those carbs, right? And they're gonna, it's going to push them into the muscle at that time. And other than that, stay on carnivore and that's the only time I would use carbs. I would try to just cut the carbs out and fast a lot. You're going to increase your even growth hormone when you fast and you're going to feel amazing, dude. Like fasting, you feel freaking great.
53:49Speaker 2And it's going to cultivate your discipline, brother. And like, you know, at 4 47, you've slacked, you've lacked on some discipline. It's going to intermittent fasting, there's nothing faster that cultivates discipline than intermittent fasting. So that will help you
54:03Speaker 3in the long run and in life, brother. So I would throw that in without doubt. Yep, no doubt. You know, you just damn. Well, the way that he just said to eat carbs, I mean, as a general rule, that's basically all you
54:17Speaker 3We've said this before, but people talk about, Oh, this is how many calories I eat. Forget the calories. I don't care.
54:26Speaker 3which is protein, fat, carbs. But beyond that, I actually, frankly, there's a huge difference between, hey, well, I ate this many grams of carbs today.
54:40Speaker 3huge difference. Right? Don't eat them at night. Eat them when you're gonna burn them off. Eat
54:47Speaker 2But it's like, don't, if you're trying to lose weight and burn fat, don't eat carbs before you go to bed. Eat protein
54:54Speaker 2and don't eat carbs. Just trust me, like it's important on when you eat carbs. Now carnivore works so well because you cut out carbs, you cut out all sugar and your body
55:12Speaker 2you have sustained energy. You don't have any crashes. You don't have these. When you eat carbs, go, Oh man, you got like, you just literally have energy all day. That's why I've done it for so long. I love it.
55:28Speaker 2I don't know, man. I got a connection to that. I feel like you're just kicking ass and I know that it's hard for what you've done. Keep us posted how you're doing. If you, however you, if it's just a podcast, if you're in school, I have, we just uploaded my carnivore diet that I used to sell for on
55:48Speaker 3So you jump on that brother, if you want. And keep keep the momentum. You're right, JD. Like, it's funny. Our bodies, when they start to realize, oh, that's what you're trying to do to me. You're trying to like burn to lose weight. Okay. And then it gets going. Right? So dude, whatever you do, you just keep trying. If you run into a wall and a plateau, you just try something new. It will bust it and you'll get through and
56:13Speaker 3this is why the Mongolian, in the ancient times, Mongolian army was so damn effective because
56:20Speaker 3so they were a traveling army and what did they eat? They were all on a carnivore diet, right? They traveled, they killed 1 of their horses to eat it and they drank milk and cheese.
56:33Speaker 3was walking with them at all times. Unlike then we go fight the Chinese army who has to carry
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57:48Speaker 3Right. And the Mongolian guys just kept kept going. They could just cruise without taking any breaks because they had full sustained energy, and they were traveling light and lean.
58:08Speaker 2know that sounds crazy, but like, why? It's drinking energy. Just like we drink coffee for energy, they would drink fat. Why? Because it's freaking they knew it was energy. Yep. Good stuff. Roll over. Okay. So now we are going to start with some of these genoshit questions.
58:35Speaker 3soon 1 of these Peptide of the Week podcasts is really gonna be going over like a COA,
58:50Speaker 3what is important, what isn't important. And so we're gonna do a bit more of a deep dive, but
58:55Speaker 3we'll give you some of the answers that we can off the top of our brains right now. Okay? So Yeah. Number 1,
59:01Speaker 3I'd like to know what Peter says about shelf life. Peter Magic is the owner of Janoshek, and so that's who he's referring to.
59:08Speaker 3Says about shelf life in or outside of the refrigerator or freezer for non reconstituted
59:13Speaker 3peptides. I'm also curious as to what his opinion is on how fragile are peptides really.
59:19Speaker 3Some people may be super easy with them. Some people may go crazy with them. Okay. So twice now, so if you go around Peter's lab,
59:42Speaker 3We have now been in several labs, but most recently we were in a big manufacturing facility
59:53Speaker 3not in a fridge, sitting out. And I remember asking them, hey, are you worried about this? And they said, not at all.
1:00:00Speaker 3No. Now it's an air conditioned facility. You know what I'm saying? But there's not they weren't in a fridge. Yeah. Same
1:00:10Speaker 3same thing. And I think and I asked him then. He said they're pretty they are incredibly stable. There's some things like HGH,
1:00:23Speaker 3Those ones seem to be a little bit more fragile even in a lyophilized state and open for degradation.
1:00:31Speaker 3they're not that worried, but here's the deal. And then you say, hey, should re you know, refrigerate or not?
1:00:46Speaker 3Don't put it in the freezer. The 1 scare on a refrigerator is that there gets any moisture in there and they're getting moisture in there is really not good on the peptide because there could be some contaminants
1:01:01Speaker 3And so just make sure that that's not happening. That's why you don't want to freeze them and then thaw and then refreeze, which usually happens. That's the problem. Heating, cooling, heating, cooling, heating, don't do that. Mm-mm. No. But storing in fridge,
1:01:18Speaker 3dude, it's not the end of the world. Like, we traveled here, but if you can, do that.
1:01:23Speaker 3You know? If you can, do it. Also, you said, hey. Some people be a be super easy with them, and some people go crazy with them. I wouldn't go crazy with them. There are still a lot of some of them, especially the ones I mentioned, HCG
1:01:54Speaker 2be gentle than it is to just be as rough as possible? Say like treat a peptide like a woman, man. Just be delicate. Like now some of them are more delicate,
1:02:06Speaker 2So like some are more delicate. Most when they're not mixed, they're fine. Once you mix them, it's a whole different story, right? Tesamorelin,
1:02:14Speaker 2AOD can be like that in NAD. There are some delicate ones. Other than that, most are pretty
1:02:22Speaker 2tough, so to speak, there are some of you gotta, but just, you're spending money on these compounds, right?
1:02:30Speaker 2I think that's so important to kind of sit on that point again, Will, because like so many people,
1:02:35Speaker 2just like us, we've learned so much over the last year and 0.5, just doing this podcast and meeting people and like
1:02:48Speaker 2just needed to be tested with care. And if they're outside as they travel, they are, if they have not been mixed, they're fine. Don't worry about them. Like they don't have to be cool. We have some people to trip out on don't need to be if they're not mixed, you're fine. Right? Yeah.
1:03:25Speaker 2which don't matter? I thought that was a great question. Short and sweet. Okay. Yeah, very short and sweet. I think that
1:03:50Speaker 3They are top of the line. And it's not because of like, oh, well, yeah, they just do that much volume,
1:03:56Speaker 3right? Yeah, they do a decent amount of volume, but it's because of just how thorough they are. Like everybody
1:04:12Speaker 3have multiple machines and machines that aren't even used for the test, the display,
1:04:30Speaker 3They are the 1, I don't know, I guess I can't say that I've visited every single lab,
1:04:40Speaker 3I will say that they're the gold standard. And I know I've been testing with a lot of other labs and I've talked to some of them and know what their staff size looks like. Like, I mean, Peter was pretty adamant that if you are
1:04:53Speaker 3He would I said, Hey, man, if you had to choose, give me 2 other labs in The United States that
1:05:14Speaker 3everybody, anybody else's labs. And it seems like he keeps up on them. He's like, dude, if
1:05:19Speaker 3you're running a show, if you're doing all of this testing that they're doing, like the multiple tests,
1:05:35Speaker 3other he's like, oh, he's Cutting orders is what 1 lab and like, here's the thing with Peter, he's 1 of the most like
1:05:45Speaker 3and it's hard to drag out anything negative out of his mouth about anybody else. Right? In fact, he would just be like, I don't know, just whatever. They
1:05:53Speaker 3do what they do. But he's like, even he said some lad being unnamed, he's like, yeah, I mean, consumers love them because the way that they do the tests, like all of their stuff comes out to be a 100, like 99.9%
1:06:08Speaker 3was a company that was selling bipeds, I'd love them too, but like, it's not accurate.
1:06:25Speaker 2don't think that most places are like that. Do we, it was such a rad experience for me. I mean, his place is huge. I mean, it's like 40,000 square foot. He showed us like almost every
1:06:40Speaker 2lab rooms, which had a different machine that obviously cost a lot of money in each 1.
1:06:55Speaker 2They're a gold standard, man. I'm not tooting his horn. I wouldn't say that if I didn't feel it. It was such a rad experience. I liked them before and I liked Peter before, that's why we came here.
1:07:11Speaker 2And if you got to witness what we saw, you would know exactly what I'm talking about. They don't cut corners.
1:07:20Speaker 2it's like 80%. Like, it goes through a line until it's proven to them that it's done. That's rare. We like that, Will and I, that type of thing. You know, it's important for us, any type of thing we put out that it's top of the line and that's how they are. So that's how we jive with them.
1:07:37Speaker 3And we'll answer some more of these questions. And by the way, everybody like we have
1:07:49Speaker 2I keep cutting you off, but I'm not trying to, but like, we need to tell people to do that for us. Like we practice what we teach. We say, listen,
1:07:57Speaker 2will they open up their business for you? Like, don't want loads of people coming, right? Like we have a business, we got to run it, but we don't, we're transparent. Like we don't know it all and we are transparent and like, that's how, what you got from him. He didn't, he, if, you know what I mean? He showed us freaking every part of that
1:08:15Speaker 2business. And I can tell you, if you asked 5 other places that did, does what they, he does, I bet you, they don't let you come by. Yeah. I bet. Well,
1:08:23Speaker 3there's 1, 1 lab that I've sent some samples to, and they've recently said like, Hey, well, we're like, we're not, we're not taking new samples.
1:08:31Speaker 3And I told Peter that, he's like, Well, thank you. At least they have the sense to admit it because a lot of these places, the peptide craze is so big that
1:08:51Speaker 3just want the money and they'll just, all right, I'll keep sending it. And like the testing process, here's 1 thing that really opened my eyes to like the
1:09:04Speaker 3You don't just put the thing in there, run the machine, and it goes, beep, good. It tells me all the data. Perfect. Like, takes
1:09:22Speaker 3Then if there is something that is not an obvious slam dunk judgment call, okay, which a lot of things aren't, then it gets escalated
1:09:49Speaker 3these other companies are doing this subjective analysis and they're going, Yeah, it looks like it. Okay, we'll sign that off. And even if it's not a slam dunk, they're like, Well, I just do a fifty-fifty.
1:10:03Speaker 3And let's sign off and send the report instead of spending any of the extra time or money that it costs to pay those employees and buy those machines to do the extra analysis on everything. But I guess what did blow my mind is really is it's crazy how subjective most of these tests are.
1:10:19Speaker 3And again, we're gonna go deeper into this, so let's go to the next question. I'll get it. Am I up? No, I am.
1:10:31Speaker 3Prague was amazing. My question is for someone looking to get in the business of research peptides and looking at bulk wholesale suppliers,
1:10:38Speaker 3what are things you look for? Are there reputable companies out there? Thanks for your time.
1:10:42Speaker 3All right. Jay, you need tell me if I skip something, but I can help answer this a little bit. Yeah. Okay.
1:10:48Speaker 3Reputable suppliers. You're trying to get in the business. Now, most people in the research use only business are buying everything from China. Okay?
1:11:01Speaker 3rare set of problems, and that's getting all of that here. I do think, I firmly do believe that
1:11:27Speaker 3of you go to go contact these people in China, right? Like 90% of them are middlemen. Okay. You'll notice this why they send you the same menus. They're all formatted.
1:11:51Speaker 3China, all these other people are just middlemen, right? They set up, they answered, they put out ads on Alibaba, etcetera,
1:11:59Speaker 3and then sell you the stuff and they get the cheap stuff from them depending on what they're charging, right?
1:12:05Speaker 3They might get, say, Oh yeah, I'll take the stuff that tested out, you know, not above your testing grades.
1:12:12Speaker 3when searching these out, I guess, and I'm not gonna give you the answer because I spent 10 years doing this Yeah. And finding out my own Cultivating the relationships and like- Yeah.
1:12:23Speaker 3That too, and cultivating the relationships. Right? Like showing these people that you are a serious buyer and you buy stuff and- Right.
1:12:30Speaker 3But basically, absolutely, there are legit ones. What you need to do is find the people who are the real manufacturers.
1:12:43Speaker 3they told me this, that like 2 of the suppliers that I, that we used to get stuff from, still sometimes do,
1:12:53Speaker 3basically GenoShake's a lot of their business, maybe the majority of the business is from menu, is from manufacturers
1:13:21Speaker 3test with your company's name on it, that's actually a very good sign, right? That's a good sign because I know that's happening. I've talked to GHK-3. They tell me that this happens a lot. It's not these big suppliers just like photoshopping
1:13:54Speaker 2know, I would- We were saying the other day though, which I think we should bring up real quick is that, because Will's been doing this as long as I've known him. I've never known him to not do this stuff. So he's 1 1 of the longest people I know that have been dealing with in this world.
1:14:23Speaker 2if you are somebody that is going the cheap route, I don't care what you do. This is just giving you some wisdom and you do what you want with it.
1:14:32Speaker 2If it's somebody, we've had it before, I've talked about it, that's selling a Retrutide 30 mg for $60.
1:14:40Speaker 2for that to be tested out the way that it needs to be tested. Now, if you're fine with that, cool. I don't care what you do, do you? I'm just telling you mathematically,
1:15:02Speaker 2you know, a few more bucks to know that a company's legit and triple tests and does all this stuff because that costs money and they're gonna be passed that cost or a portion of it onto you. Some people are gonna go that route, some people are gonna go the cheap route, but you do you, but know the fact that not tested, tested,
1:15:24Speaker 2of what we'll buys from new suppliers that he hasn't cultivated over years is bunk shit. Is bunk shit. That's a problem. That's A 100 dose is not what it is.
1:15:42Speaker 3it's not a peptide. It's nothing. Yep. We leaned over a computer that was doing some analysis and you just pulled up, like, a couple different,
1:16:03Speaker 3forget what the other ones were, but the last 1 happened to be, was like, all right, this was a test for Primo and it tested out his testosterone propionate.
1:16:15Speaker 2Gear. Gear, which is still cool. Like, Will and I kind of blew our minds, so we've never seen this.
1:16:40Speaker 2always told people you could put it under warm water and you could still use it. It's
1:16:48Speaker 2Yeah, pretty much it's used in the tea. But anyways, we learned something and we thought that was very interesting.
1:16:57Speaker 2I could kind of jump in real quick and just kind of give somebody like my viewpoint, he's the more scientific. Here, if you're like, you're trying to start a peptide company, right? Everybody in the brother house, if you want to do it legit, you have 2 routes. If you want to go direct to China, you can do that. You're going to need to
1:17:13Speaker 2get that from China to you and that's a bitch. Ask Will, he will tell you. You need to have multiple addresses and those will, 1 will fall out and you have to, it's a pain in the ass, but you get them at a cheaper price.
1:17:25Speaker 2That's going to take some time to cultivate the relationship with some suppliers in China that are legit. Most of them, as we just said, 75% will be bad if you find the batch that's good. Now you got to get them here if you're buying in bulk, and that is a bitch because you have to have multiple,
1:17:41Speaker 2you can't just send them to your house every time, that will get flagged, right? Like that, so that's, and you starts to juggle
1:17:47Speaker 2like, you know, different addresses. So that's 1 thing. Now the other route is going to be if you, and then you have to have marketing. If you don't have marketing, how the hell are you gonna sell the peptides? Everybody have sold some peptides to some family and some friends and go, Dude, I can make a living doing this. That's, it's not as easy as you think. Banks will shut you down. Venmo's will shut you down.
1:18:30Speaker 2It's not as easy as people think. I'm not deterring you. I'm telling you what you're stepping into if this is the realm that you go. Now, the easier route,
1:18:44Speaker 2and has that stuff on lock and you buy it at a wholesale price. Now you still have to have the marketing
1:18:51Speaker 2because I can't even tell you how many people I've talked to because I'm a sales guy that this thing they're gonna sell to some friends and some family, and they're gonna start posting stuff on their personal Instagram with 400 followers and they're going to sell shit. Dude, everybody does that. You're not going to sell shit. You're going to waste a lot of money, have marketing
1:19:09Speaker 2and be prepared for the Venmo and stuff, or go with a company that has that stuff already on lock. And all you have to do is get them from them at a higher price because they're going to make their money, but they have the systems, they have the protocols, they have the stability set up and you just have to sell. That's the easier, cheaper route until you might be
1:19:30Speaker 3big enough to where you do go the other route. So did I explain that well? Like, you to sell that? Guess when you say, when you're telling people to buy it, that you buy from that company that's figured out, he's saying your
1:19:42Speaker 3these people will be drop shipping for your website. Right. So it'll be white labeling,
1:19:46Speaker 3and putting on your whatever your design is and the labels. So nobody will have their own fulfillment center. They buy all the peptides. They store all the peptides.
1:20:02Speaker 2the stability and then you just have to sell. But that way you could start a company without any money, really. Except to have your marketing and you don't take the risk of
1:20:14Speaker 3because it hurt, you know? Yeah. So- It's hard, man. And like customs is cracking down on imports, you know?
1:20:22Speaker 3I've had, you know, 35 different addresses across the country just to get peptides in here. Say that again so people understand. 35
1:20:43Speaker 3unreliable. There's a lot of stuff, dude. Here's the thing about a business people don't realize, like, cool. When you're selling to your buddies, you know, you're not paying taxes. You're not there is all this 50% behind a business, all the BS paperwork that needs to be done, right? Storing on Yeah, the cost tons of money and
1:21:04Speaker 3Pay taxes and get all of those forms and business license and wholesale licenses and sellers permits and all this stuff. Like, do it the right way and you'll see what
1:21:27Speaker 3labs that are not like FDA approved, but they are making peptides. Well, because most even a 503B can't make all of the peptides legally. Yeah, make them legally. And you'll be paying quite a bit more, 3, 4 times the price
1:21:41Speaker 3that China is selling them to you. You ain't got to deal with logistics though. We're getting them in here. And
1:21:48Speaker 3you can vet and know that, and I don't know, there's still some risk, man. You still gotta do your due diligence in like-
1:21:56Speaker 3website- They're making your own, they're making the peptides, if they're not supplementing with other peptides, right, with Chinese peptides, because actually they can't really make that much.
1:22:14Speaker 2we try to help anybody that even asks. We're just telling people that don't waste your money if you don't have a plan and like, you'd know that it's not as easy as everybody
1:22:23Speaker 2thinks, man. They just think, Oh man, just sell some peptides. It's a bitch. The banks do not like you. They don't want your business. They will shut you down with
1:22:42Speaker 3Yeah. Yep. That's tough. But if you do well, it's great. If you do well, do well. And then, you know, I don't know. There's every business, like, you know, a business owner needs to
1:22:52Speaker 2come to decision. Marketing's everything for any business, man. Like, I told you guys a story, but it's so funny. Like where, you know, like the world has changed when somehow through a friend of ours, dudes in my office, can I tell the story again? It's so funny, dude, about how somehow he got into my office, which we have like Nora and there's some barriers we have at this point, but he's sitting in my office through a friend and he wants to start a peptide company and I'm like, okay, well, like, what's your plan? What's your strategy? He's like, well, I'm just an old school guy. Just gonna start knocking on doors. I'm like, well, let me just be blunt. That's not gonna work. So what else do you have? You know, I'm like, oh, this is going left field. Then I said, well, tell me about some peptides. Like, what do you know? Well, I don't know anything yet, but I'm gonna start learning. This is a true conversation verbatim.
1:23:35Speaker 2And I'm like, so you don't, you want to sell something that you don't have the money to start. You don't know what you're selling or anything about what you're selling, and you have no marketing strategy,
1:23:50Speaker 3It's where the market's at. Yeah, buy your peptides from somebody who knows the hell they're doing. They should know They should know the ins and outs of every single peptide they sell, like
1:24:01Speaker 3etcetera. If somebody's like, I don't really know, then don't buy it from them. A lot of times people will,
1:24:11Speaker 2use super old COAs. Why? Because nobody knows how to read them. That's why we're gonna do a podcast on how to read a COA so you make an educated decision
1:24:37Speaker 2How common is it to show a false positive? How many times do you retest a vial if it shows positive
1:24:47Speaker 3Thank you from Missouri. Alright. So I asked Peter about this. There was recently some article
1:24:58Speaker 3peptides, which was like an amino blend, more like something more that looked like or like a lipo c b 12 plus amino mean amino blend. Unfortunately, the article was titled 5 amino 1 m q, which literally has nothing to do with that. So they're wrong right off the bat. So it was somebody who bought
1:25:24Speaker 3especially the picture. I don't know why the hell you would ever trust anybody that and buy your supplements that think they're good, but they bought 2 bottles.
1:25:30Speaker 3And then they sent them into Janoshek, and long story short, it's like they tested for trace amounts of fentanyl.
1:26:02Speaker 3like reusing bottles and it had some residual fentanyl. It has nothing to do with the wider scope of peptides in general than fentanyl. Now that being said, JL-one hundred has the
1:26:13Speaker 3fentanyl control, which is basically like the exact amino acid structure atomic weight of what fentanyl
1:26:20Speaker 3looks like or a metabolite of fentanyl, which is usually what they test for in these things. Now, if they So he said, How often?
1:26:38Speaker 3recently, that actually happened, and it was basically 1 of the only ones that's ever happened.
1:26:43Speaker 3we're not all gonna get in some crazy worry that all these peptides have fentanyl in them, folks. Yep. Please don't start those rumors.
1:26:51Speaker 3And the question is how many times does do they retest a vial? They take that shit serious.
1:26:58Speaker 3Yeah. It tested anything close to positive for fentanyl or any, like, finishing agents that fentanyl is that's how they test a lot of things. It's not really for the drug. Like, you look in these UA, like urinalysis cups, you know, the most they're not testing for they're not testing you
1:27:13Speaker 3the science isn't looking for the actual drug. What the science is looking for is a metabolite of what your body then produces when it comes into contact with that drug. Right? And so if any hint
1:27:24Speaker 3of a sample having any fentanyl in it, it does pop up alert red flag as soon as that happens. They,
1:27:32Speaker 3finish their work. They don't want their staff dealing with it, and they're not a drug lab. Right? That's not what they do. So he actually sends the samples off to
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1:28:30Speaker 3With his employees with strict information, like, do not, like, handle this. Don't breathe it in. You will wear a mask, blah blah blah, very carefully.
1:28:39Speaker 3They did 3 or 4 more tests to kind of double check their own results. And then they package it up and they sent it off to basically the country's drug lab
1:28:51Speaker 3that it's fentanyl, but maybe it isn't. Maybe it's just like a finishing agent that they use in fentanyl, same finishing agent they use in Primo, Mastron E, right, which is why there was a shortage of that stuff because The US put pressure on China, and China is the 1 who makes a lot of these finishing agents. And so
1:29:23Speaker 3drug lab to really confirm it. And then as soon as that gets confirmed, they reach out to the person who sent the test in, and they and they say, hey, man, like, just legitimately have fentanyl on it. So whatever you're doing with this product, destroy it right now,
1:29:40Speaker 3So there's that. Okay. What does it cost to have a sample tested by general shack, and what is the process? So That pulls out. I'm gonna wait. I could I could give you an explanation of, like, literally all the kind of the 6 main categories that people are testing things for.
1:30:06Speaker 3That will just tell you that actually won't even tell you what the substance is, but if you send in a BPC-one
1:30:11Speaker 357, a lot of these labs don't test the identity. They just say, okay, we'll we'll take your word that it's BPC-one 157. Then in the graph, it'll show
1:30:31Speaker 3is the majority of this, and we don't know what this is, but the person said it was BPC, so we'll just call it BPC. Cool, 91.
1:30:58Speaker 3to the atomic weight control of all the other peptides and they see which are the same weight. And then they go, Oh, that must be BPC because it weighs the same as that.
1:31:16Speaker 3but is there 8 mg in this whole bottle or is there 10 like you said there are, right, or is there 12?
1:31:26Speaker 3purity. Literally don't tell you identity and don't tell you how much is in the bottle.
1:31:36Speaker 3Peter. And basically that 1, said, you know, even if it was some of the worst metals, you're not doing enough of this stuff for it to actually affect a human being. Yeah.
1:31:54Speaker 3portion of a dead cell wall, but it still remains toxic after dead. You see about like a tiny percentage of those have them, and usually it is caught at the supplier stage.
1:32:07Speaker 3Suppliers the comforting fact is tons of suppliers are sending in bulk, bulk, bulk, bulk. Well, when they do see endotoxins and when they do see the sterility,
1:32:17Speaker 2yeah, it's consistent over the whole batch and then they tell them and that gets destroyed. Like we literally saw that. Like we literally saw like, kind of like a portion of which was a whole batch, which is the same type of a growth in these little things. It was rad. And then you saw some other ones that were completely looked different, so they're endotoxins, but you could tell they were growing different. I thought that was rad, did you? It was really bad, dude. It was rad. It was, and it was scary and disgusting. They put it in pieces- I know. You-
1:32:42Speaker 3not. Yeah. Sterility is like you're testing for live bacteria. The only way you have live find live bacteria
1:32:50Speaker 3is while you look in the microscope and you go, okay, maybe that's alive, but then we have to put it in a petri dish
1:32:55Speaker 3and incubate it. Basically, they have to put it in a in an in an environment that a bacteria will will happily grow in, and then they sit back and wait a week.
1:33:13Speaker 3and they're frankly disgusting. I can see it. I can see it. It's really gross. Now they said that that's, like, very rare, but it didn't it happens. It's usually always cleared up at the supplier stage.
1:33:24Speaker 3Yeah. Again, it's usually like, if that's not the case, it's like a whole bulk batch. It's not like a 1 off. It's a bulk batch. Yeah. They don't really see it much in, like, individual people sending in samples, but thank gods because some of these suppliers now there's competition, which is good, man. That breeds suppliers
1:33:45Speaker 3so and then you asked me how much it costs. So for the HPLC and LMS is there's different prices on different compounds, but for a standard 1, $450
1:34:11Speaker 2To about 1000 dollars a test. About that. Yep. Well, I mean, that's so in the end for our editor to kind of make a note of this for a clip. I think that's important for people to understand. That's the math.
1:34:29Speaker 3No, you don't have to test every bottle, but you gotta test 1 a batch and like a guarantee, people aren't making, you know,
1:34:51Speaker 2You go ahead with the next 1, I guess. All right, where are we at here? The very last 1. Last 1. All right, guys. I know we've gone long, but I think everybody's gonna be interested in this stuff because it was a cool experience. All right, so from a scientific standpoint,
1:35:18Speaker 3What a great question that was. Yeah, and here's the thing, like- Complexity. I'm going to
1:35:30Speaker 3when we break these down in detail, but I'll tell you, I already know this. I mean, cerebral iosin. Alright?
1:35:39Speaker 3The problem is cerebral iosin is not is a is a is made from basically pig brain, and it's not just 1 peptide.
1:35:49Speaker 3and different strains of them. So, that is 1 of the most challenging peptides there is.
1:36:11Speaker 3and a lot of places just don't even they won't they don't test it because they don't have the capability for it. But,
1:36:19Speaker 3this last question is very good and you put some thought into asking it and use big words. So I want you to answer it. Like maybe HGH,
1:36:28Speaker 2which would be 191 amino acids, that's gonna be harder because it's a longer 1, some are 4, you know? So that's the easiest way I think, you know, is the sequence of the amino acids.
1:36:44Speaker 3then the longer chain, the longer chain, I mean, like like HGH, right, most of these peptides
1:36:59Speaker 3If, the the to make that, these shorter amino acids, right, are made or shorter amino acid sequence are made in this like solid phase,
1:37:09Speaker 3hydrolysis or something, but they do not ever require they don't put off a byproduct of endotoxin just making it. That's just not possible. But the long ones like HGH actually have to be grown in organic material and that opens some things up. It opens it up to actually potentially have some more
1:37:28Speaker 3in there. But yeah, the longer the sequence, the harder it is to test. But I'll give you some more specific answers in when we do a deep dive in there. So stay tuned.
1:37:43Speaker 2people are going to like it. You can maybe listen to this in sequences because it's longest 1 we've done, an hour and 30 minutes. But we came out here for a reason. We practice what we preach. You know, we'd tell people to kind of like know who you're doing business with. And that's why we're here. We were invited and we're like, Hell yeah, man. And, because there's companies that are great and have integrity and have character and there's obviously some that don't. And our goal is regardless
1:38:10Speaker 2of whatever business we start from now to then, just to work with companies that are integral, right? Like putting our name on anything,
1:38:18Speaker 2we want to make sure that not only are they doing what they say that they're doing, we want to see what they're doing because like anybody can say they're doing this, right? And they prove to us that they're doing this. My
1:38:30Speaker 2perspective of Janoschuk has radically changed after coming here. Like they are legit.
1:38:43Speaker 2That's rad, man. It's just, they are without a doubt, the cream of the crop for a reason. Heard that if you didn't listen to the last podcast that we did with Peter, that kind of triggered all this.
1:38:56Speaker 2Obviously we enjoyed him. Sounds like he seems like he likes us too, because he's going to come on the Peptide of the Week. Now I'm going have him on my personal too, which is more like entrepreneurship,
1:39:08Speaker 2because I like to take that into a different direction of why did you do this? How did you do this? And the objective there is to light fires and other people that might want to do this. The peptide, we're going to dig into a lot of stuff that we didn't talk on the 1st 1, because you don't have an hour. You know how fast an hour goes when you're intrigued and talking to somebody that's smart and you're learning from? It goes like that. So,
1:39:49Speaker 2So start to cultivate some questions of what you listeners would want to know from PT-3R Magic, the Gold
1:40:17Speaker 2Things fell into place for us in so many areas, but I think there's something bigger out there in movement because Will does not understand social media at all. Do I love him? No. He doesn't understand how many people love the podcast and what 600,000 viewers a month means. In podcast world, that's
1:40:38Speaker 2because of that, and we are so honored to be the 1st people that you listen to when you have so many choices,
1:40:46Speaker 2people on the podcast. We are open to sitting down with anybody that's in the realm of health nutrition,
1:40:53Speaker 2and it doesn't mean to be people we agree with. There's going to be some times that we disagree. We have a gal coming on and I've been trying to figure out if I'm going to agree with her on stuff and we don't need to. We can
1:41:04Speaker 2shake hands at the end and be like, that was good. I don't really agree with that. Okay, that's, you know what I mean? Those are the best types of conversations because they make you think. Yeah.
1:41:12Speaker 2You know, like, I don't want anybody that's gonna like, I don't want to have conversations with people that always agree with me. That's boring. Like,
1:41:18Speaker 2you know, so that we really are trying to put the best information for you all out there. It is a blessing to Will and I to become,
1:41:28Speaker 2guys that people get to sit down with some of the biggest hitters in the industry that we love. I, we're still blown away by it. Sometimes I pinch myself, like, did this even happen? Because I used to watch these people myself,
1:41:41Speaker 2because we try to put our best foot forward, man. And we always listen to people. We read the DMs. We have now have a team of people that does that too, and we accumulate these types of things and we go off a lot of things. If multiple people want this, we try to do that, you know, because we know that without the people, that's what you guys want. So hopefully that's what attracts you to this podcast. Hopefully saw us coming out here for a reason because we want to give visuals to you all, to ourself included,
1:42:08Speaker 2and push the limits of just this industry and shine the light on the amazing qualities and
1:42:14Speaker 2shine the light on things we once thought that we realized that's not that way. We're gonna admit when we're wrong or not wrong, but like, Oh, that changed. We thought that was different, you know, because this stuff evolves.
1:42:27Speaker 2you know, don't throw daggers at people. If a year ago they said this, this is a newer industry. Like it's, we don't pretend that we, because we have a podcast, we're supposed to know it all. Like, I don't know. You know what I mean? But, we enjoy it.
1:42:39Speaker 2We're in Prague, bro. I mean, talk about how rad we're to, ex, you know, heroin addicts that God has blessed us
1:42:50Speaker 2We don't do it nearly enough. Mario, who's the editor on this right now has edited every single 1 of our podcasts. You've seen us post stuff now. We're trying to post a lot of stuff of our team because you see us all the time. We want them to share this because we can't do what we do without our team. Mario standing ovation. He just became our social media manager. He is just a gym of a human. He works his ass off. I mean, he's never like taken more than like 3 minutes, I think, to respond to a text of mine- Even at 3AM.
1:43:26Speaker 2is now our GM, like Will and I, the 1st time, felt comfortable flying out of town for a week for me, 2 weeks for him, and leaving our company in the hands of her because
1:43:38Speaker 2this is the 1st time we've done that. And we feel completely comfortable, man, because the team is kicking ass. So shout out to our team for
1:43:46Speaker 2all of you guys the sport and let us do this type of stuff and bring you all the best information. If you haven't been on school, it's growing.
1:43:55Speaker 2We're adding information on there. We added my diet plan, the Carnivore diet plan, if you're interested in that. I think we put the fasting stuff. Did we put that up?
1:44:03Speaker 2I don't know. Fasting protocol, like a 12 week course, how you can start to increase your fasting each week. Some people are into that. And Will has put so much information
1:44:17Speaker 2go in there and just spend hours reading through so much information this dude has put on it. It's insane how much free stuff we try to give you guys.
1:44:35Speaker 2So other than that, it's been long 140, man. We've gone a long time. Let's, get back to our lives and your lives. And, other than that, man, we will, see you soon on the next round.