Peptide Q&A #52 –Live from Prague: Janoshik Lab Tour, COA Deep Dive & Peptide Testing
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0:54  Speaker 2:  Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week
0:57  Speaker 2:  Podcast
0:58  Speaker 2:  in Prague.
1:00  Speaker 2:  We are still in Prague, Will and I. I am your host, JD Denham, across the way in the room down
1:06  Speaker 2:  the stairs. He's on 3, I'm on 4. Mr. William T. Haas.
1:10  Speaker 3:  Good to be here. It's good to not have a view of the roof 4 feet away from me like every other hotel I get. I got the well, when we check-in, I got the building.
1:20  Speaker 2:  I almost went with the upgrade, but I decided against it. Yeah.
1:24  Speaker 3:  Yeah, I definitely decided against it. But, yeah, JD and I, whenever we travel,
1:29  Speaker 3:  somehow
1:30  Speaker 3:  he always gets the room, like, on the Top Floor with the view of everything, and I get the room on the 1st Floor with the top of the building and the air conditioning units right outside of my window. You know why? I think this is life, because I don't really care, but you care, and that's just how life is. It's how it is. You know what I mean? Absolutely.
1:49  Speaker 3:  Totally. It's
1:50  Speaker 3:  like my father,
1:52  Speaker 3:  when I was a kid driving, the whole time we're driving going, Oh, I'm gonna get these red lights. I can't believe these red lights. And
1:58  Speaker 3:  he hits every fucking red light every time.
2:03  Speaker 2:  Seriously, that's how it is, man. Power of thought.
2:06  Speaker 2:  Absolutely. It is insane how it really is.
2:09  Speaker 2:  It really is that way. It is real. Yes. Think about,
2:13  Speaker 2:  you know, everybody has, well, I'll think of, for example, my bride, like just, she's as bubbly, you call her
2:19  Speaker 2:  golden retriever, which is a perfect way to explain her. Especially always in a good mood, but like you can't be around again, a bad mood around somebody like that. They're just uplifting.
2:28  Speaker 2:  Their energy is infectious,
2:30  Speaker 2:  you know? And then, but on the other side, got some guy that's just always bitching and like, you know what I mean? You're like, Oh bro, I don't want to go around Ron, dude. Here comes Ron. Fucking
2:40  Speaker 2:  Ron. Oh man. I call them positivity vampires, dude. Yeah.
2:44  Speaker 2:  We all have them, dude. And it's, you know, it's crazy is that,
2:47  Speaker 2:  I don't know if this is just my journey and life, or you can tell me your opinion on this, but it took me a long time to catch up to how important it is to cut those people out of your life. Like cut them out. Like, I can't be around that
3:01  Speaker 2:  stuff. I mean,
3:02  Speaker 2:  I talk a lot about it like,
3:05  Speaker 2:  I want to be around guys that think big and do big, you know, like that. But on the same thing, like you gotta get, like you can't be around people that are negative, dude, and think negative and think like we're supposed to be in this little box. Like, you gotta get away from those people. Like, you gotta be around positive people if you know what I mean? It's really contagious, man. Yes, it is. It is really contagious. There is real thing of energy vampires.
3:29  Speaker 2:  Do you, do you agree with the that as a
3:34  Speaker 2:  kind of a 40 year old perspective?
3:36  Speaker 2:  Like, that is not a youthful perspective. Like, obviously, as you age, you become more wise. Gray hair is a sign of wisdom is a proverb.
3:44  Speaker 2:  And,
3:45  Speaker 2:  it sure is true. She's gray. I got some wisdom because I've been through some shit.
3:50  Speaker 2:  Yeah. Absolutely. I
3:52  Speaker 3:  think that that's definitely a function of wisdom, and I think it's also a function of
3:56  Speaker 3:  when I was younger,
3:58  Speaker 3:  I guess I didn't have as many people in life because they were all younger kids like me who were
4:05  Speaker 3:  negative about stuff, right? I think that,
4:08  Speaker 3:  know,
4:09  Speaker 3:  not only that people are born inherently just complainers the whole time, now some people are, but I think as you get older, you encounter more and more people because they get older and they get more cynical and think that
4:20  Speaker 3:  life's out to get them. And so it's easier to identify those people and then
4:25  Speaker 2:  try and cut them off. Left turn away from Ron.
4:29  Speaker 3:  And
4:31  Speaker 3:  then there's some people that you just-
4:33  Speaker 2:  They're infectious. Can't get away from, but that are like that and that's tough.
4:38  Speaker 2:  It's gotta mitigate Yeah, it's me uplifting or like have a positive message. I mean, those are the people that, you know, we try to be around. I was telling Alyssa
4:46  Speaker 2:  tells a story, which is funny. She probably tells it a little bit funnier, but when I started dating her, I mean, she was like 23, she was a pup.
4:53  Speaker 2:  I think she was 23, something like that. And I used to always say, like, you don't get it. Like you, I got 10 years, almost 11 years on you.
5:00  Speaker 2:  And like, that's a big gap of wisdom. It really is. And she used to always, she never told me this, but she would always say, I hate when he says that because you're 23, you think you know everything. Like, you know everything, bro. Like you are established.
5:12  Speaker 2:  And then you get to be 33,
5:14  Speaker 2:  you don't know shit. I was 33 when I got sober. You know what mean? Yeah. You know nothing You at 20
5:21  Speaker 3:  know what mean? You know nothing. And it's even hard for,
5:24  Speaker 3:  I don't know, it's hard for me to even
5:26  Speaker 3:  converse with most
5:28  Speaker 3:  23 year olds or that age. Right? Like, you don't have they don't
5:33  Speaker 3:  there's just not much substance. It's not their fault. It's just like, it's just how it is. I haven't really lived that long. Yeah, you have not tasted life yet. People You talk about like, Oh, you gotta date a younger woman like,
5:43  Speaker 3:  Okay, but I don't, there's just
5:45  Speaker 3:  no way I don't think I could even date because I couldn't even talk to a girl
5:49  Speaker 3:  that young. I
5:51  Speaker 2:  have a buddy that, he, he's ironically now getting married, but he was, he's my age, grew up with him. And gosh, even to the day, he would always date these 23 year olds, you know, and like, they were good looking. He's a good looking guy. But
6:03  Speaker 2:  like, bro, they don't have, there's no way a 23 year old and a 40 year old
6:09  Speaker 2:  can jive on conversation unless it's a very immature conversation. You know what I mean? Like, just be honest. Yeah. There's not much substance.
6:17  Speaker 3:  No, there's not. I mean, unless, you know, there's there are some there's some, you know, some outliers in that. Right? There's some super mature people. But, yeah, for the most part, absolutely not.
6:27  Speaker 2:  Nope.
6:28  Speaker 2:  No. We,
6:30  Speaker 2:  so how have you how's prog been for you? We've not, like, talked about you ever going to. How's it been?
6:36  Speaker 3:  It's been great. You know, we're trying to get out and explore the city. I think it's gorgeous. I think that the cool thing in Prague is there's
6:44  Speaker 3:  They do say so I looked at some of the stuff up, but, like, Prague is why it's uniquely historic
6:50  Speaker 3:  is
6:51  Speaker 3:  it's a super old city, but it was 1 of the cities that literally did not ever get devastated in World War 2. Right? 1 of the very few European major cities that didn't just get burnt to the ground. The only people who actually bombed Prague was The United States on accident because we thought it was a city in Germany.
7:10  Speaker 3:  But
7:11  Speaker 3:  it's all here. It's all still here, original. Right? And you could see it all, and it's pretty amazing. It looks like it's kind of fake, you know? Yeah. Every building is super old and really tall and the cities, all the streets are cobblestone.
7:24  Speaker 3:  All they're multicolored.
7:26  Speaker 3:  I also asked them, hey, show
7:29  Speaker 3:  me the Soviet
7:31  Speaker 3:  influence. Right? So when they were under the Soviet Union, we know the Soviet
7:36  Speaker 3:  communists,
7:37  Speaker 3:  they just built
7:38  Speaker 3:  well, basically, they built, like, project housing. Right? They didn't Great. It's all about, like, it was all about equality and everybody gets the same thing, and and we had to do these for cheap. So they just built these
7:48  Speaker 3:  giant squares,
7:50  Speaker 3:  that all look the same out of concrete. And Prague is now multicolored.
7:54  Speaker 3:  Right? All these they have buildings that are just that are pink and yellow, not next to them. And then that was they basically said, well, only way to make the Soviet buildings look somewhat nicer, make them a bit happier and not just gray concrete was to just paint them multicolored. Right. Thought that was interesting when you quote us. We, Melanot yesterday,
8:13  Speaker 2:  went to General Shick early about 11,
8:15  Speaker 2:  and we had hired a videographer for a local guy. And it was funny because everything's different. It's a different country and it's just very different here. And like, you know, he had said, I'll just do it from my iPhone. And I was kinda like, I don't know about that, you know? But like, long story short with that, he was great. Like, was not only like a cool guy, he filled us in on just a lot of culture and just a lot of the history.
8:38  Speaker 2:  And he was great at what he did. You know, we stopped off and did a couple things and like,
8:42  Speaker 3:  we wouldn't have done that if he wasn't there. We wouldn't have known to go there. So- No, and he like forced us to, which is cool. He gets in the car, we don't know him, and he just starts speaking Czech to the driver. Yeah.
8:53  Speaker 3:  And he's like, alright, I told the driver we're gonna stop at this museum or this castle.
9:00  Speaker 3:  And we're like, alright, but that's not kind of the plan, but whatever. He took control. He did. And it was cool.
9:06  Speaker 2:  Yeah, we went to the castle and like, not only that, he like talked to the guard because it's guarded by, you know, military guys and he talked to them and like, let us go inside and kind of walk out for the scene. It was cool. Right? Yeah. So- It seems the Czech people I've noticed are, well, a, they're bigger people, which thank God, then like the hotel, the gym equipment in the hotel, I fit on. Amazing, because everybody's bigger here, but they're also it feel like really direct and literal.
9:33  Speaker 3:  Now could be the language barrier a little bit, but everybody's English is pretty darn good. Pretty good. But they are,
9:40  Speaker 3:  like, literal, like, they're, you know and I guess, again, language barrier, but but you ask them a question, they answer that question specifically and not
9:48  Speaker 3:  there's no inferences
9:50  Speaker 3:  from that question that makes them kind of expand on the question. Yeah, elaboration.
9:55  Speaker 3:  Yeah.
9:59  Speaker 2:  A great experience. The, time change for me, I've never done 15 hours ahead. It's 9 hours, but the flight was 15 hours. And that's been pretty rough. Like, I mean, I adapt pretty well to stuff, but, my body's trying to figure out what freaking time it is. I was telling Will before we started recording, I was talking to my wife last night as I was literally going to bed and she was feeding my sons some sushi. And I was like, it's
10:21  Speaker 2:  hard to like wrap your brain around it. That's just, they're going on about to go to bed and I'm waking up. It's just trippy stuff. Yeah. In fact, they think it's
10:31  Speaker 3:  what, like 4AM or something
10:34  Speaker 3:  back home right now, maybe? 02:00.
10:36  Speaker 2:  So yeah, I think it's somewhere around that. So it's been,
10:40  Speaker 2:  so you have some time to adapt. I leave in a couple of days, so I'll probably adapt and then have to go home and then adapt.
10:48  Speaker 2:  You will. So,
10:49  Speaker 2:  you know, but it is what it is. We were in Prague. What am I complaining about? Nothing. It's cool. Like, look what we're doing, man. Life is pretty And damn
10:58  Speaker 3:  it's the Prague summer, but it's still about 70 degrees outside and kind of cloudy and- A little crazy. It's supposed to warm up a little bit today and tomorrow, but yeah,
11:07  Speaker 3:  it's not hot actually. Thank God, which is really nice for just walking around and sightseeing.
11:12  Speaker 3:  I don't like doing that stuff when it's 95 degrees. Probably 95 degrees. Yeah, yeah, For sure. Yeah.
11:18  Speaker 2:  Yeah. It's pretty cool, man. It's been Chris. I did that a lot this morning. We took a long walk. It was great. What was your take on
11:25  Speaker 2:  Janosik?
11:26  Speaker 2:  I know that most people, this one's kind of directed since we're in Prague and we flew out there, that was the objective for us being here. What was your take on it? Well, I think we got like 6 questions that may answer that, but
11:38  Speaker 3:  I think it there I was just
11:41  Speaker 3:  fully impressed. I think my take on it is holy crap, there is a lot that they do, and they
11:49  Speaker 3:  are a big established
11:51  Speaker 3:  company that works extremely hard to give just, like, unbiased
11:57  Speaker 3:  actual results. Like, the amount of time that they waste
12:00  Speaker 3:  not making money, like, what I mean by that, they they have if 1 sample a lot of this is really subjective, and again, I'll talk about this, but
12:08  Speaker 3:  it's
12:10  Speaker 3:  subjective. But if they see if it's not really obvious what that result is, right, they put it through so many more tests and pass it down to the line of people just to ensure that they're getting a really, really perfectly accurate test.
12:24  Speaker 3:  And so that means is they care and just do things right for the sake of doing things right.
12:30  Speaker 2:  You think let me stop you there because I have a question on that. Do you think
12:35  Speaker 2:  that is the culture here or do you think that's just Peter Magic and what he enforces in his business? I know that's a sub- kind of a- it's a total opinion question that you will give if you don't know,
12:47  Speaker 3:  but right? Because in The United States- Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think it is the culture, to be honest. Like, I think that Peter also,
12:53  Speaker 3:  Peter Magic also
12:56  Speaker 3:  really embodies that culture, but I definitely think that it is more of
13:01  Speaker 3:  a culture here than where we come from. Yeah. Especially nowadays,
13:06  Speaker 3:  just because like everybody wants stuff so fast. Right? They just wanna make money and step on everybody else to get there.
13:11  Speaker 3:  Don't care about quality,
13:14  Speaker 3:  you know, and Yeah, I'm seems not to now. Yep. And it seems to be in this little bit slower pace, smaller community that is still a bit just feels a bit older.
13:24  Speaker 3:  Yeah. They
13:26  Speaker 3:  care more about quality.
13:28  Speaker 2:  Yeah, probably because they're not so wrapped up in the rat race. Americans are so caught up in that rat race. I think that, you know, that stuff spreads, you know, kind of like a cancer, if you will. No, that's the proper way to say that. But,
13:42  Speaker 2:  I think when you get in that rat race, race, you just start getting used to chasing that thing and you want it now and you cut corners.
13:50  Speaker 2:  That's why,
13:51  Speaker 2:  you know, with our business,
13:53  Speaker 2:  this isn't, and 1 of the things we try to focus on is just the customer service because
13:57  Speaker 2:  it has fallen at the wayside for most companies, you know? It just really has, man. We've talked about it numerous times, but dude, I can't even tell you how many things we've ordered and we can't even get anybody on the damn phone if there's a Like that sucks. And that's 1 of the reasons when we started our companies, we're like, Listen, we gotta, let's fix that. Let's fix that problem because we need to be a, people need to be able to get ahold of us. Get ahold of us. I mean, yeah. Via text message and email and us respond and actually like treat them as human beings and fix the problem. Right.
14:31  Speaker 3:  Instead of just pretending like you heard the problem. But absolutely.
14:37  Speaker 2:  Yep. Good stuff, man.
14:40  Speaker 2:  Well, you are soon that you're taking a left turn into Italy tomorrow.
14:45  Speaker 2:  So you got your last night here in Prague. I got 3 more nights myself.
14:49  Speaker 2:  So
14:49  Speaker 2:  it's been amazing. So we, I didn't know there's,
14:53  Speaker 2:  we always get to hear people in the DMs and like comments and stuff. It's cool. There's quite a few people that are in Prague that are, wow, you guys are here, so it's been kind of cool. So I'm assuming some of them listen to the podcast. Your country is awesome. I've enjoyed it. I think it's amazing.
15:07  Speaker 2:  Know, some of the food ironically
15:09  Speaker 2:  though, I don't know if you feel the same way
15:11  Speaker 2:  So far,
15:12  Speaker 2:  like for me,
15:14  Speaker 2:  the best food's been here at the hotel, though his food is off the charts here, dude. I've had some
15:19  Speaker 2:  okay food outside, but this has been- Yeah, I think that the natural,
15:24  Speaker 3:  like Czech cuisine is maybe,
15:26  Speaker 3:  mean, it's kind of similar to German food. It's not really for everybody. I mean,
15:31  Speaker 3:  pickled cheese and switcher snitzer
15:34  Speaker 3:  no.
15:35  Speaker 2:  Schnitzel. Schnitzel.
15:39  Speaker 3:  Yeah. Not for everybody.
15:41  Speaker 3:  Not for everybody. But, yeah, this hotel is this food is great here. I was eating breakfast with little John this morning.
15:48  Speaker 3:  Not with him, but at the table next to him because he's staying here.
15:52  Speaker 3:  Yeah. And For
15:54  Speaker 3:  those of you who know who little John is, I
15:57  Speaker 3:  I do. We were at the Seahawks game last time in the playoffs, and he performed there. Wonderful.
16:03  Speaker 3:  But,
16:04  Speaker 3:  anyway, it's also pretty easy to see
16:07  Speaker 3:  a black guy with an entourage here wearing cowboy boots and long dreads and cowboy hat. They just look out of place. So I was like, who's that? And then I just looked at him like, okay, that's who it is. That's funny.
16:19  Speaker 2:  That's rad, man. Well, cool dude. Let's get cracking. Today's a Q and A. We wanted to do 1 here. I'm glad we did.
16:27  Speaker 2:  It's going to be good to join it. We're going back to our old roots where we're on a
16:33  Speaker 2:  screen instead of it sitting in our studio, but,
16:36  Speaker 2:  it's good to revisit the old days sometimes too. You know what I mean? Let's,
16:41  Speaker 2:  let's get cracking, man. Do wanna
16:44  Speaker 3:  do the honors and start us off like always? Number 1. Hey, guys. Thank you for everything you do.
16:50  Speaker 3:  This question is more so for my wife. Hard to find a lot of info for women and peptides. Been on Reta since April 21, currently at 4 migs a week. MOTS c at GHKCu
17:02  Speaker 3:  was
17:03  Speaker 3:  a 170
17:05  Speaker 3:  down to 1 50. Calories aren't high enough,
17:08  Speaker 3:  I feel, and protein is about a 100 grams a day.
17:13  Speaker 3:  I tell her she needs to eat more, but, obviously, the appetite suppression from Retta gets in the way. She feels that she's losing too much muscle. My thoughts were to taper down on the Retta and try some Tessa along with IGF-1LR
17:25  Speaker 3:  3 for trying to put on some lean tissue. Your thoughts and any other advice
17:29  Speaker 3:  on researching for muscle growth? PS, she's a vegan. Laugh out loud. Proverbs 17 17.
17:37  Speaker 2:  Dude,
17:39  Speaker 3:  he's always- I do not know what the Proverbs 17 17 I'm assuming he's not a vegan. No. Probably not. Nobody wrote that. What does Proverbs 17 17 be? Live and let live or something like that? I don't know. Let's look. I'm curious.
17:53  Speaker 3:  So here's my answer. Here's my suggestion is,
17:56  Speaker 3:  yeah, dude. I think that you're
17:58  Speaker 3:  absolutely
18:00  Speaker 3:  spot on.
18:02  Speaker 3:  Still, a loss of 20 pounds is still pretty damn good from April. That's actually like a healthy
18:08  Speaker 3:  the healthy weight loss. You know? This shouldn't just all drastically
18:12  Speaker 3:  happen. As we know and lots of other questions, people who've experienced really heavy weight loss,
18:18  Speaker 3:  all of that
18:20  Speaker 3:  fat being and
18:22  Speaker 3:  toxins,
18:22  Speaker 3:  right, coming
18:24  Speaker 3:  out of your body
18:25  Speaker 3:  can present some other issues. So it is actually a good thing
18:29  Speaker 3:  to lose weight proportionally and consistently.
18:32  Speaker 3:  But
18:33  Speaker 3:  yeah, if she's eating too much muscle, then she's not eating enough protein. I mean, that's the easy way to solve it is eat more protein. It's not the be all end all, but
18:43  Speaker 3:  and especially being a vegan, that's tough. And that's a personal problem that she's gonna need to figure out sources of protein.
18:49  Speaker 3:  But
18:50  Speaker 3:  absolutely, Tesamorelin is going to keep all of them, keep all the muscle. I can pretty confidently say that for a woman.
18:57  Speaker 3:  A 100%,
18:58  Speaker 3:  I would jump on Tesa.
19:01  Speaker 3:  And I also am not
19:03  Speaker 3:  opposed to doing IGF-1LR3.
19:06  Speaker 3:  Along with it, you know, maybe 6
19:08  Speaker 3:  weeks on, 2 weeks to 4 weeks off of the IGF-one and keep it low, but run the Tessa consistently,
19:16  Speaker 3:  see where she can start at 250 micrograms up to 500.
19:20  Speaker 3:  Women generally
19:21  Speaker 3:  don't do well over 500,
19:23  Speaker 3:  but maybe, but some of them do. Shoot.
19:27  Speaker 3:  But, yeah, dude, I would do that 100%. You know, SLU-PP, s o u p p is actually not a bad
19:32  Speaker 3:  option also because of the nutrient partitioning.
19:37  Speaker 3:  And
19:38  Speaker 3:  that might be something you could totally add that on top also. But you're on the right track. You can small frequent meals and taper down on Loretta a little bit. 4 Migs is not that high. It's not super high, but
19:49  Speaker 3:  she go down. It's just she needs to just try it, see how she feels, see how the appetite
19:55  Speaker 3:  is if she lowers it a little bit. Yeah.
20:00  Speaker 2:  Yeah, Tesofens great. I, was kind of curious if you were gonna say like, touch on the vegan thing at all. I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of curious about, is that for,
20:10  Speaker 2:  know, personal reasons, is there a reason that she's a vegan? I'll tell you from the experience of I have of like being a carnivore,
20:17  Speaker 2:  there's a lot of carnivores that started as being vegans
20:21  Speaker 2:  and, you know, you look at them now and then they're radically different, you know what I mean? So I don't know. I would consider
20:27  Speaker 2:  maybe adding in some meat. I know that's probably not what I should say, but
20:32  Speaker 2:  it would do a lot of wonders for her for sure. It's hard to get up into into the, a gram of protein per pound
20:39  Speaker 2:  with what are the things that you would really replace
20:42  Speaker 2:  protein wise?
20:44  Speaker 2:  Like
20:44  Speaker 2:  for a vegan, like,
20:46  Speaker 3:  do vegans eat fish? No, right? No, No. I don't think it's any just you just can't have any animal products.
20:52  Speaker 3:  So there's nuts. There's nuts that have, protein.
20:56  Speaker 3:  You can't,
20:58  Speaker 3:  it's just it's tough. You can do vegan protein powder,
21:02  Speaker 3:  but that's her,
21:03  Speaker 3:  you know, that's her burden to bear if that's what she chooses. There's enough. If you do a little research, you can find proteins,
21:09  Speaker 3:  not
21:10  Speaker 2:  super easy. But Yeah.
21:12  Speaker 3:  Tofu?
21:13  Speaker 2:  Oh, yeah. Tofu.
21:15  Speaker 2:  Okay.
21:18  Speaker 2:  So a lot of times less is more, you know, for the Retta.
21:22  Speaker 2:  I think the form makes, she doesn't say what she wants to lose and he doesn't say her
21:27  Speaker 2:  age. So that would definitely play a role in some of the way that we answer this. Because again, Tes is great.
21:34  Speaker 2:  I think everybody at this point knows our stance on HGH,
21:37  Speaker 2:  but that's generally,
21:39  Speaker 2:  for the most part, like age driven, not always,
21:43  Speaker 2:  but, you know, like that's just the daddy, the granddaddy of, you know,
21:49  Speaker 2:  it's better than Tessa, in my opinion, it's going to do better for her. But Tessa's going to be great. She's on MOTS-3.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.001.00
21:58  Speaker 2:  what we've learned now is if you're taking MOTS-three before you run the SS-thirty 1, it can make you tired. Not always, but if you run the SS-thirty 1, it's gonna really fix that mitochondria and then you run the MOTS-three, it's gonna work a little better.
22:11  Speaker 2:  She can add in some NAD,
22:13  Speaker 2:  which I think most people should take, that's gonna help with some
22:18  Speaker 2:  cellular energy,
22:19  Speaker 2:  some pure
22:21  Speaker 2:  energy. I would imagine she might be tired
22:24  Speaker 2:  with the diet. I'm not knocking vegan when I say that, I'm just saying,
22:28  Speaker 2:  because diet's important. Sleep's important.
22:32  Speaker 2:  Weight training, does she weight train?
22:36  Speaker 2:  So sleep.
22:38  Speaker 2:  Gym, make sure she's doing a resistance training.
22:41  Speaker 2:  Make sure she's eating enough.
22:44  Speaker 2:  Because peptides, even though it's a peptide podcast,
22:46  Speaker 2:  again, the base, the base, the base, how is the base? We don't wanna run 4 mgs of
22:53  Speaker 2:  Retta if we don't have to, you know? You can get away with 2. I don't know how much she wants to lose, but if you can fix the base, you can do less peptides, and I think that should be everybody's objective.
23:05  Speaker 2:  Right? Yeah, I agree.
23:07  Speaker 3:  So- Yeah, the least- Yes.
23:10  Speaker 3:  Yeah, take as little as you possibly can. The
23:13  Speaker 3:  least
23:14  Speaker 3:  desired, least dose with the getting the desired effect is the goal.
23:19  Speaker 2:  With everything.
23:21  Speaker 2:  Agreed.
23:23  Speaker 3:  Cool. All right. You're ready. I'm 30
23:25  Speaker 2:  year old, I'm a 39 year old female with Crohn's disease that now very
23:31  Speaker 2:  close to remission. Over the past couple of years, have completely transformed my health by focusing on
23:37  Speaker 2:  the foundation 1st, not just peptides.
23:39  Speaker 2:  Attagril,
23:41  Speaker 2:  started with Semaglutide
23:43  Speaker 2:  at 02:20 at 5.2 and lost 40 pounds in 4 months. Wow, that's a lot of weight. Later transitioned to Retta and lost another 40 pounds, wow, about 3.5.
23:54  Speaker 2:  That's a lot of weight quickly.
23:56  Speaker 2:  Completely overhauled my nutrition and now prioritize
24:00  Speaker 2:  high protein. I optimized my hormones with HRT,
24:03  Speaker 2:  good girl, before diving deeper into peptides. Here are current recent peptide protocols.
24:10  Speaker 2:  KPV,
24:11  Speaker 2:  CLO, Reta, Semax, Selank,
24:14  Speaker 2:  DSIP, SS-thirty 1, 5m2-1MQ,
24:17  Speaker 2:  MOTS-C
24:18  Speaker 2:  and PT-one hundred 41. I have Glutathione
24:21  Speaker 2:  on
24:22  Speaker 2:  the bench.
24:23  Speaker 2:  1 thing I've noticed is that since cycling off Clo,
24:27  Speaker 2:  some of my Crohn's related GI symptoms have started creeping back in. What can I do since some have been have to be cycled off? That's a good cushion.
24:38  Speaker 2:  You wanna take that or you mean to run? Yeah.
24:42  Speaker 3:  I think that are you so
24:44  Speaker 3:  so you took Clo or you stopped taking Clo and
24:48  Speaker 3:  some of the GI symptoms returned.
24:52  Speaker 3:  So what are we taking out when we take Clo out? Well, you're taking KPV,
24:57  Speaker 3:  I mean, for GI parts, KPV and BPC, which are huge
25:03  Speaker 3:  GI tract helpers and helpers with inflammation.
25:07  Speaker 3:  You
25:08  Speaker 3:  do mention that Clo or KPV, you do mention KPV alone.
25:13  Speaker 3:  Here's what I would do is like, I think that it sounds to me like it was the lack of BPC that is potentially allowing some of those symptoms to show through again. So
25:24  Speaker 3:  I'd run an experiment on myself if I was you. If you are taking KPV alone, great. Keep doing that. Why don't you just straight up add in BPC
25:33  Speaker 3:  back to maybe the levels of the CLO? I would add, you know, maybe 1 mg a week or I mean, up to 1 mg a day
25:42  Speaker 3:  And
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26:30  Speaker 2:  See
26:31  Speaker 3:  if you get see if any of those symptoms go come back or, I mean, go away.
26:35  Speaker 3:  You could do the same thing also with GHKCU
26:38  Speaker 3:  alone. Although, I think that it probably is more related to BPC,
26:42  Speaker 3:  but
26:43  Speaker 3:  that would make sense, and I'm super happy that that that that they're very close to remission. So I would, like, get on that. I would do I'd get on doing some experiment to see how you can make sure those symptoms stay away and Crohn's
26:55  Speaker 3:  is gone.
26:57  Speaker 2:  Yep. Yeah, that stuff sucks.
27:00  Speaker 2:  I've noticed
27:02  Speaker 2:  that since cycling off Clo, some of my Crohn's related GI symptoms have started creeping back in.
27:08  Speaker 2:  You probably know your body, but like, did you change your diet?
27:12  Speaker 2:  I would think a lot of that is diet related.
27:14  Speaker 2:  I've had gut problems and autoimmune problems for a long time myself. So
27:20  Speaker 2:  for me, it's generally diet
27:22  Speaker 2:  related. I think I've shared this numerous times, but I had cured my autoimmune with carnivore.
27:27  Speaker 2:  I did it,
27:29  Speaker 2:  gone,
27:30  Speaker 2:  after 6 months. Soon as I strayed just a little bit from the carnivore, it came back and it's been here ever since. Now I went strict carnivore again and it didn't rectify it. So our
27:42  Speaker 2:  bodies
27:43  Speaker 2:  are weird. I don't know. I think that type of stuff, any GI stuff, really important to really be strict on diet also.
27:52  Speaker 2:  Here's the obvious though.
27:54  Speaker 2:  As Will just said, I don't want to say repeat the exact same thing, so go off that. Then KPV
27:59  Speaker 2:  orals and BPC orals, Add those in for you along with the injections. I do both myself.
28:05  Speaker 2:  So that should be standard for anybody that has,
28:08  Speaker 2:  just gut problems.
28:10  Speaker 2:  Add those 2 orals in. I know that, we've mentioned this numerous times that people think orals don't work. Certain orals do. We would not, you know, like we wouldn't like talk about them if they weren't, they didn't work well, you know? So if you have a company that has mainly orals, no. And you're going to talk about multiple compounds, they don't, a lot of them aren't going to work. These ones do. And we put our stamp of approval on those orals. Another 1 that we didn't talk about here is a TA-one, Thymosin Alpha-one.
28:39  Speaker 2:  That's going to bring down inflammation drastically.
28:42  Speaker 2:  It's the best for inflammation.
28:45  Speaker 2:  You know,
28:47  Speaker 2:  can
28:49  Speaker 2:  enhance
28:49  Speaker 2:  the issue with the GI problem. Just telling you with experience myself,
28:54  Speaker 2:  diet's going to play the big role in that, but TA-one, you're going to kind of have to ease into that because it can enhance it if you're having a flare up.
29:02  Speaker 2:  But it really does. The cool thing I like about it, whether it works well for me or not, is it has a beacon, has a governor that
29:10  Speaker 2:  if your immune system needs to be revved up to have a higher immune system, it will do that. If it needs to be revved down because of an autoimmune
29:19  Speaker 2:  issue, it will do that.
29:21  Speaker 2:  Love that about it. And
29:23  Speaker 2:  so
29:24  Speaker 2:  try that if you don't have that in there, so TA-one and see how that works. And then you said you had a glutathione on the bench, why? Run it now. Glutathione is awesome. It's been around forever.
29:35  Speaker 2:  I think that you should put that into play now, you know, and adding some simple ones in which everybody should take, is glutathione
29:42  Speaker 2:  and
29:43  Speaker 2:  B-twelve. Those
29:45  Speaker 2:  types of things are just standard everybody should take. So that
29:51  Speaker 2:  should help a little bit, I hope. Diet is key. So I would imagine if you
29:57  Speaker 2:  maybe
29:58  Speaker 2:  think through when you took out the clo, did you change your diet at that time? Because it might be the diet and not the clo is my point. So think on that. I don't know, maybe. All right.
30:08  Speaker 3:  Okay. Hi. I'm 37 year old male, 2 11
30:11  Speaker 3:  pounds.
30:12  Speaker 3:  All blood markers are good. Currently suffering with ongoing big toe inflammation
30:17  Speaker 3:  slash stiffness that flares up every few weeks. Mechanical issues.
30:22  Speaker 3:  Currently taking BPC and TB 500.
30:25  Speaker 3:  Is there anything else I could take for stiff inflamed joints? Given it's my big toe joint,
30:30  Speaker 3:  where could I localize the injection site with BPC and TB?
30:34  Speaker 3:  Love the podcast.
30:37  Speaker 3:  So you're on the right track with BPC and TB. I would so
30:41  Speaker 3:  sounds like an inflammation problem. So what did JD just say? Like, TA-one, Thymosin Alpha,
30:47  Speaker 3:  is 1 of the best dang things for total, like, systemic inflammation. So
30:51  Speaker 3:  I would add in Thymosin Alpha. I would add in KPV.
30:55  Speaker 3:  KPV
30:56  Speaker 3:  is a huge inflammation
30:58  Speaker 3:  limiter.
30:59  Speaker 3:  So,
31:01  Speaker 3:  I would, yes. So I would try those and you could, if it's just pain,
31:06  Speaker 3:  I mean, so there's this ARA-290,
31:10  Speaker 3:  which is to help kind of dull nerve pain. We
31:14  Speaker 3:  have some of that stuff waiting at home to do a little
31:18  Speaker 3:  personal trial on. So,
31:20  Speaker 3:  I can't really I have not used it personally.
31:23  Speaker 3:  Haven't had it really a need to, but- There's a lot of chatter out there. A lot of people like it. Yep. Yeah. And I know we have some employees using it right now.
31:31  Speaker 3:  1 of them with like fibromyalgia,
31:34  Speaker 3:  that's what it really should help because that's just overactive nerve,
31:37  Speaker 3:  but that's a possibility.
31:39  Speaker 3:  Now to your question, so stay with the BPC TB for sure. Yep. Add in KPV.
31:46  Speaker 3:  And I would try to add in Thymosin Alpha and maybe look into ARA-two 90. Sure can't hurt.
31:51  Speaker 3:  Where to inject?
31:53  Speaker 3:  Well, I too have, I have like turf toe and also like, is
31:56  Speaker 3:  it gout? Maybe it's gout. Gout is like an acid buildup and can really hurt and then that gets fought on with
32:04  Speaker 3:  nutrition.
32:06  Speaker 3:  I can't tell you, I don't know the exact gout protocol, but like it's a common issue and people
32:12  Speaker 3:  can fight it. So look at that up real quick and see if it's, maybe it is gout.
32:17  Speaker 3:  And there's some, there's like that. Steps to take. If you have your big toe, now I have like, I have turf toe, also in my big toe. I think it's also for my feet growing too big, too fast and always wearing too small shoes. I have a size 15 foot,
32:32  Speaker 3:  and it's tough to buy shoes. But like for injections, right, big toe, there's a little you can just pinch your skin a little bit here and just stick that needle right in the triangle,
32:44  Speaker 3:  right above the bone and just right under the skin.
32:48  Speaker 3:  Do that there. You can do it, you know, a lot of these places and you just pinch it,
32:53  Speaker 3:  stick the needle, just make sure the needle gets
32:56  Speaker 3:  in through the skin completely. You're not ejecting it in the dermis layer, but actually into that sub Q layer. So do your best to get it really near, to get it near the pain. You know? You
33:06  Speaker 3:  can put it in that fold of skin right between your actual toe and your like knuckles,
33:11  Speaker 3:  but and rotate it. Just the goal is to get it somewhere,
33:15  Speaker 3:  don't know, an inch or 2, but that is totally doable.
33:19  Speaker 2:  And I would do that.
33:22  Speaker 2:  That's awesome. I love how well and I changed these up to where we don't, we would sit down and go through them really quickly before, and then we changed it to where we do these separate and we read through them. And I'm always kind of curious if we're going to have some of the same answers. I always remember when we do because
33:36  Speaker 2:  diet is huge, man. I'm not going to repeat what he just said. The 1 thing I will add on to that is how much are you taking?
33:42  Speaker 2:  You can take a lot Yeah, for sure. Shit. Like I would be taking a lot. I don't, I was thinking the same thing as a gout. Do you drink? If you drink a lot, that's probably what it is. I'm not saying you do or you don't. I had a buddy that had that in his toe. He couldn't even sleep with the covers on because he drank all the time and he couldn't even sleep with covers on because he would rub on his big toe. So I don't know if that's you or not, but that could be it.
34:05  Speaker 2:  Diet, sleep, foundation,
34:07  Speaker 2:  work on that stuff. You know, we always want to take something to get rid of something, but a lot of that is
34:15  Speaker 2:  the basics.
34:16  Speaker 2:  Sleep,
34:17  Speaker 2:  exercise,
34:19  Speaker 2:  move. If it hurts,
34:20  Speaker 2:  I know that probably isn't what you're gonna want to hear, but move and get blood flowing. Walk on it probably a little bit like, you know what I mean?
34:28  Speaker 2:  It helps.
34:30  Speaker 2:  Oh, yeah. I remember like in like football days where
34:33  Speaker 2:  you would have an ankle problem or some injury and like, you you'd have the 1 guys that'd be sitting there like, always just played through that shit, man. And like, healed quick. Why? Because whatever, sometimes you just gotta play through some injuries, man, it is what it is, but it would expedite the healing. His wife, blood flow, blood flow, Yep, blood yep, yep, yep. Boom. Just really, really wake up the healing response. Yeah, man, if you hurt
34:54  Speaker 2:  and you're sitting there, that's the worst thing you can do.
34:57  Speaker 2:  Lut flow, get moving, lift weights,
35:00  Speaker 2:  eat right, sleep.
35:02  Speaker 2:  That part should be probably on every answer that we're gonna say,
35:07  Speaker 2:  and up the BPC and the TB, we'll just say you can inject it in your toe. But if you take higher
35:12  Speaker 2:  quantities, higher doses,
35:14  Speaker 2:  you can do it sub q. I do a lot in my leg and-depth, know, but, when I had back surgery, I didn't,
35:19  Speaker 2:  you know, I didn't take it in my back. I took it sub q and that shit worked well. I took a lot though. So BPC
35:25  Speaker 2:  KPV
35:26  Speaker 2:  orals,
35:27  Speaker 2:  again, with the TA-one, add that in and then up the doses
35:31  Speaker 2:  of your Wolverine and eat right move
35:34  Speaker 2:  and make sure that you're not eating a bunch of crap food, food, inflammatory
35:38  Speaker 2:  food, carbs that are just sugar.
35:42  Speaker 2:  Know, you should be strict on your diet. I think diet alone, if you really are strict, could probably fix your problem. But, so hope that's enough that we just threw at you that you can try. Yep. The other thing is too, I have
35:53  Speaker 3:  some major foot issues. I have really long, I guess, skinny
35:56  Speaker 3:  feet and have broken. I have 2 pins in my left 1. I have a pin in my right 1. Broke my 2nd metatarsalin,
36:02  Speaker 3:  the biggest 1 in 0.5,
36:04  Speaker 3:  and didn't really well, I knew it. It hurt like hell, but I took X rays. And since it was, when the X rays are taken non weight bearing, they couldn't see the break, and I played the full, like,
36:15  Speaker 3:  the rest of the football season. This is my senior in high school, basketball season and then baseball also. And then my freshman year in college football, all with the biggest bone in my foot broke in 0.5, and that was miserable, but
36:27  Speaker 3:  that has caused some, like, long term damage in my right foot. I have to that and like wearing 2 small shoes all the time. And
36:34  Speaker 3:  I wear orthotics in absolutely everything, no matter what. Like I have 4 pairs of orthotics that I cannot
36:40  Speaker 3:  I buy shoes and I pull the soles out, throw them away, and I put my orthotics in. I have the 0.75
36:45  Speaker 3:  ones, the full length 1. I also have
36:49  Speaker 3:  toe spacers for my big toe. Like, if I was playing basketball,
36:52  Speaker 3:  I would well, early on, I would just take a paper towel and, like, fold it up and then
36:57  Speaker 3:  put it in between my big toe and my other toe to keep them
37:02  Speaker 3:  spaced out correctly,
37:04  Speaker 3:  because I would get real bad inflammation in this knuckle. Right? And
37:09  Speaker 3:  it would stem from it doing this 1, getting like the hammer toe type thing, right? Sure. And that would kill me. And then I'm running, stopping
37:16  Speaker 3:  like that and pushing on that joint this way, hurt like hell. So the toe spacer has helped a lot to keep that in line. Now
37:24  Speaker 3:  did like too much damage for too many years that,
37:28  Speaker 3:  I don't know, at some point doctors say they're gonna have to break my foot again and just redo the whole thing. But,
37:34  Speaker 2:  whatever.
37:36  Speaker 3:  So maybe try that. There are some, like, orthopedic
37:40  Speaker 3:  devices
37:41  Speaker 3:  that you can do that might actually help a lot.
37:44  Speaker 3:  Alright. Nope. Next 1. Mine. I'm up. Yep. Nope. You're up. You're reading. Last 1 on this page. Would
37:50  Speaker 2:  love to know the steps you took,
37:53  Speaker 2:  full protocol, etcetera, to heal and get off pain meds for your back issues. I am in nonstop
38:00  Speaker 2:  pain, but hate the pain meds,
38:02  Speaker 2:  band aid and want to actually heal failed surgery.
38:06  Speaker 2:  I'm a 50 year old woman who wants to be active and healthy, but in so much pain it is hard to do.
38:12  Speaker 2:  On Wolverine and KPV,
38:14  Speaker 2:  small amount of Retta.
38:16  Speaker 2:  Man, that's a great question. Let me take that. Yeah, go ahead. I'll add on.
38:20  Speaker 2:  So
38:21  Speaker 2:  here's my opinion on
38:23  Speaker 2:  pain meds,
38:25  Speaker 2:  and some of it will come through some of my viewpoint on sobriety.
38:29  Speaker 2:  Mean, meds is what really activated my drug addiction. I didn't really have a full blown drug addiction until pain meds came into play when I hurt my back the 1st time at 25. And then I was taking something on a daily basis and I liked it and my
38:44  Speaker 2:  addiction group in there.
38:46  Speaker 2:  Pain meds, and you're dealing with a guy that has 5 surgeries and multiple surgeries on his knee.
38:51  Speaker 2:  They don't do shit. Let's be honest. Do they help? Maybe tiny, tiny bit. They
38:56  Speaker 2:  slow down healing. They
38:58  Speaker 2:  they really do kind of mask. I mean, they really are just not
39:03  Speaker 2:  only are they addictive,
39:05  Speaker 2:  they, you know what I mean? You're going to slow the healing process. You will heal
39:09  Speaker 2:  so much better, so much quicker without
39:12  Speaker 2:  that crap. It's just the truth. 1 of the things Willow is telling me, and I've always told the story because I love it, about the Germans, how they can't, they don't take pain meds because
39:21  Speaker 2:  they
39:22  Speaker 2:  think pain is you're supposed to go through pain.
39:25  Speaker 2:  Like, I'm not, you're a 50 year old woman, I'm not telling you you need to go through pain, but like
39:29  Speaker 2:  they don't take pain meds for a reason. And like, we can learn from that a little bit.
39:34  Speaker 2:  Like you're 50 years old, I'm 49, we're the same age. I hurt all the time.
39:40  Speaker 2:  My shoulders always hurt. My back always hurts. Like sometimes my knee, like, I think that's part of the game if you're going to be an active person,
39:47  Speaker 2:  but if you're sitting there and not moving my dear, wrong answer. Like take the painkillers
39:53  Speaker 2:  out for a 2nd.
39:55  Speaker 2:  Like, when I took painkillers,
39:57  Speaker 2:  it dulled my senses. I call it null and void. You're agitated all the time.
40:03  Speaker 2:  You're just zombie like, Ugh. You know what I mean? Like, you're just, you're null and void, man. It steals your soul.
40:09  Speaker 2:  Just pain
40:12  Speaker 2:  meds,
40:13  Speaker 2:  just opiates.
40:14  Speaker 2:  That's what they do in my opinion.
40:17  Speaker 2:  So I would say without a doubt, get off those. If you've been taking them for a while, you're probably going to need some type of help, whether that is they do have Suboxone and things like that now.
40:26  Speaker 2:  That's if you don't have a problem with them. Most people that take them for a while will have a problem with them. It's math,
40:33  Speaker 2:  in my opinion.
40:35  Speaker 2:  You might need some help with that. That's between you and you. If you have some questions on that, we're both sober,
40:42  Speaker 2:  we would be happy to, talk with you through that. That's stuff that we do all the time for people, because we're sober, we always have times for sobriety.
40:51  Speaker 2:  This is a peptide podcast, so we'll leave that there.
40:55  Speaker 2:  But get off the pain meds because they're slowing down your healing anyway.
41:01  Speaker 2:  So that's what my recommendation is to your question. How did I do it? I only took a couple. I didn't take that much. Yeah. Well, look at- And I knew I was going feel quicker. Wanted to, my goal when I got out my last surgery is get my ass back in the gym. We will tell you, I saw a picture of me the other day, the 1st like 6 months of our business, was in freaking
41:21  Speaker 2:  ish, right? Remember Will? Yeah. I was in so much freaking pain. I was working 14 hour days and I still went to the gym. I was dying,
41:29  Speaker 2:  but I still went to the gym because I knew that I needed to kind of, 1, I know myself and I need to work out no matter what because it's important because I don't want to stab somebody. And 2, like, I'm joking, I was like, but like, 2, like, you gotta keep yourself moving. You gotta keep yourself moving. If you just lay on the couch and succumb to that,
41:49  Speaker 3:  not the way should be. Yeah. And like so and so to add on,
41:55  Speaker 3:  that's
41:55  Speaker 3:  yeah. Be careful. Get off them now before you actually build a
41:59  Speaker 3:  addiction to the if if we're talking about narcotics, like, opiate painkillers. Right?
42:05  Speaker 3:  Get off from now. I don't know, JD, after your back surgery,
42:09  Speaker 3:  how much Vicodin did you take
42:12  Speaker 2:  post Yeah.
42:14  Speaker 2:  And minimal because I knew
42:16  Speaker 2:  pain
42:18  Speaker 2:  is pain, man. And like, I was in so much pain before the damn surgery. When I woke up, I felt great. Like the pain from the
42:26  Speaker 2:  nerve pain is like, it's like next level shit. So like the pain from like the scar and like me being like kind of frail from like healing from that, that was nothing compared to
42:38  Speaker 2:  that type of surgery down the Oh dude, it's like next level shit. So I took very little because my goal was to get my ass back in the gym because I love the gym and that was my goal. And now you can do this. This can help, to answer your question a little bit more,
42:52  Speaker 2:  red light hyperbaric
42:54  Speaker 2:  chambers. I did that. I did 7 full days in a row
42:59  Speaker 2:  of an hour in the hyperbaric and that was amazing. So that can help you, my dear, for sure. Sleep protein
43:06  Speaker 2:  and get your butt moving if you're laying around wrong answer.
43:10  Speaker 2:  We got 1.
43:11  Speaker 3:  Sympathize
43:13  Speaker 3:  and I can't
43:15  Speaker 3:  I have so many times in my life just so wished I could just transfer the pain that I'm feeling to somebody else and just say-
43:23  Speaker 3:  Take this pain, sucker. Taste it, not even and not like take it away from me, just like, just taste this for like an hour.
43:29  Speaker 3:  You believe me. Nerd pain, holy shit. So you believe me. And so,
43:34  Speaker 3:  you know,
43:35  Speaker 3:  this person writing in, I don't know.
43:37  Speaker 3:  We all we can never understand what
43:40  Speaker 3:  pain is to somebody else, right? What kind of pain you're in.
43:45  Speaker 3:  We'll be in level power. I 2nd everything he said, but like, let's try to get off any narcotics immediately.
43:51  Speaker 3:  And I agree,
43:53  Speaker 3:  I've had 15 plus surgeries. I'll tell you what, I like pain meds because I loved what they did to me. But as far as actual pain relief, dude, it's been my experience that taking a decent dose of ibuprofen works way better than And
44:09  Speaker 3:  those helped me to go to sleep because they, you know, made my brain and body just feel kind of warm and pleasant. But as far as the pain goes, I swear to God, Advil, ibuprofen
44:19  Speaker 3:  worked better.
44:21  Speaker 2:  Hell yeah. And
44:23  Speaker 3:  so I don't know if, you know, I would try and take try and not do that. But peptide wise, ARA-two 90, like we just said in the last 1. Huge.
44:33  Speaker 3:  That's gonna help kind of numb some of the nerves from feeling pain. Now I don't know what's causing your pain.
44:39  Speaker 3:  Right?
44:40  Speaker 3:  I'm hoping that Back pain, back issues.
44:43  Speaker 3:  Yeah. I don't even know. So
44:45  Speaker 3:  hopefully, you're working on actually, like, rehabbing and trying to get that, you know, fixed from the core cause of the pain. But you're as far as peptides go, I'll just finish this off for the 2nd, everything else you said. But, yeah, adding in ARA-two 90, all the other,
45:00  Speaker 3:  Wolverine,
45:01  Speaker 3:  KPV
45:03  Speaker 3:  are awesome.
45:04  Speaker 3:  And
45:05  Speaker 3:  that's, yeah, that's it. So keep going and I say everything else, but maybe try on the ARA-two 90. Rock and roll. Okay.
45:15  Speaker 3:  You're a man, Maya? Thank you. Alright. I'm a 40 year old young wait. Yes. I'm a 40 year old young warrior on a journey that has been long in the works. My starting weight was 447
45:27  Speaker 3:  pounds.
45:28  Speaker 3:  That's heavy. And I tried a lot of different stuff. Or we're doing that 1? No. We're we're gonna put all the Janosik ones together. Remember? Okay. Got it. So
45:38  Speaker 3:  I was 4 47,
45:40  Speaker 3:  and I tried a lot of different stuff and had no results till I tried Retta.
45:45  Speaker 2:  I'm now down to 3 80, k, and just feeling better and better. Pounds. Wait. Wait. It's fucking huge. Dude, that's a lot of weight. And I know like I I've never been 4 47, but I can't imagine how hard that was for you standing ovation, man. That's a lot of weight, 70 pounds. It's a human. That's a lot of weight and it's
46:02  Speaker 3:  And no
46:04  Speaker 3:  doubt you've probably tried a lot.
46:05  Speaker 3:  I hope you've tried a lot and a lot of fail, right? This business
46:09  Speaker 3:  losing all this weight, right, is about trying, failing and who can get back up,
46:13  Speaker 3:  who can stand up. It's not about how many times you get knocked out. It's how many times you stand back up. I can try it because there will be a lot of failure in it, but good for you. My question is, what can I stack with this to optimize fat burning body recomp? I go to the gym 5 days a week, lifting heavy shit, try to hit my protein at 2 80 g daily, love the show, and I think you both are truly doing the Lord's work.
46:35  Speaker 3:  And can't
46:36  Speaker 3:  thank you enough for being the real warriors to lead. Love that. Okay, man. 1st,
46:42  Speaker 3:  like, I guess I would like we always say, hormone optimization.
46:46  Speaker 3:  Check 40.
46:48  Speaker 3:  Your the amount of weight that you've been carrying around, though my guess is your testosterone is is drastically low and your estrogen is drastically high. Guarantee. So that needs to change and it will make life so much easier for you.
47:01  Speaker 3:  Now a lot of people, we've had this discussion, it's like, well, maybe we should lose the weight 1st and then that will fix that problem instead throwing drugs at it. So,
47:09  Speaker 3:  you know, there's
47:11  Speaker 3:  It could work at the longer play. Why do that? Yeah. I mean, I think we both agree on that. Right? Like Yeah.
47:18  Speaker 3:  You know, from a doctor, it'd be different. I'm just gonna tell you what I would do, what I've done and what I would do, and it's not necessarily the best advice. Right? But like my decision would be to go on a low dose of testosterone. Well, I'd get the blood work done and make sure that I actually qualify.
47:31  Speaker 3:  Now
47:32  Speaker 3:  qualify means like
47:35  Speaker 3:  a doctor who knows the hell they're doing and
47:38  Speaker 3:  sees, you know, not just, oh, hey, you're above 2 50 nanograms per deciliter. You're fine. You don't need it. No.
47:45  Speaker 3:  But personally, I would try to I'd get on testosterone. I'd stay on a low dose,
47:50  Speaker 3:  and I'd be consistent with it. And then I would keep in working my ass out. I'd be working
47:54  Speaker 3:  working out hard. I would probably especially you got a lot to go, man. I would seriously think of doing a carnivore diet, or at least to start off with some intermittent fasting.
48:03  Speaker 3:  And but, you know, you may wanna wait until you truly hit a plateau.
48:07  Speaker 3:  It's kind of you're at that heavy weight, you're going to,
48:11  Speaker 3:  you know, lose weight rapidly until there comes a point you're going to plateau. And that's
48:16  Speaker 3:  basically like a plateau buster
48:18  Speaker 3:  is changing out changing your diet drastically. There's nothing wrong with eating 5 small frequent meals a day unless you do that forever. There's a problem. I think that everybody needs to be just kind of switching
48:30  Speaker 3:  things up, right? Go carnivore for a couple months, do some intermittent fasting for a couple months, then go back to your small frequent meals.
48:38  Speaker 3:  All of that stuff to bust plateaus.
48:40  Speaker 3:  But testosterone,
48:42  Speaker 3:  I don't think you really should need the growth right now.
48:45  Speaker 3:  You're at 40 years old. You could do it, but
48:49  Speaker 3:  I don't know. You can add in SLUIP. I really like SLUIP, especially,
48:53  Speaker 3:  like, the high dose oral
48:57  Speaker 3:  up to 100 mg a day.
48:59  Speaker 3:  And
49:00  Speaker 3:  5 amino 1 MQ might be a really good add on Yeah. To that because
49:07  Speaker 3:  it works in a different pathway than a lot of these other well,
49:10  Speaker 3:  it'll focus on the fat. Yes. It will really prioritize fat over burning body sugar.
49:16  Speaker 3:  Love it. Pushes fat into the furnace.
49:19  Speaker 3:  There's you got a lot to try, dude. Wow. I think you're willing to try. So, like, you know, I I just don't wanna throw the whole house at you and say, this is all right now. Nope. Try a couple things. Run them, give them an equal shot,
49:31  Speaker 3:  and then try a few more fat burners.
49:34  Speaker 2:  Yeah. But keep going with the round. Fat burners, there's tons. Like that part's pretty, it's just, there's tons of them. So,
49:41  Speaker 2:  dude, 1st and foremost, like, let's really like sit on this for a 2nd about how much weight that is, 70 pounds, that's a lot. At 4 47,
49:48  Speaker 2:  that's hard shit, man. So like, you you're obviously a fan of the show and like, that's what Warrior Makers is about. That's why we
49:55  Speaker 2:  named our company that because you're a damn warrior man and you're tapping into that, You've busted through,
50:01  Speaker 2:  know, you've relit your soul and you've tasted what success
50:06  Speaker 2:  is. I can feel it, I can feel it in your ear and how like, you're writing right? You're going downhill and you're ready to taste more. You want to get that weight off and you're going to, I can tell you're a badass.
50:15  Speaker 2:  So again, standing ovation for that. Now,
50:19  Speaker 2:  Will, just to stress on it, but I want to stress it too. You gotta get on TRT, dude. Like, I know you can wait. You're going to bring down your Dude,
50:25  Speaker 2:  like if you're at a 2 90 or lower testosterone,
50:29  Speaker 2:  you're going to have a bitch of a time continuing
50:31  Speaker 2:  to lose that weight. You get on testosterone replacement, if you're not in like a couple of weeks, you're gonna feel better. You're gonna just have vigor back. You're gonna have focus of your mind, you know, obviously sex drive, but that's the least of it. It's just energy,
50:45  Speaker 2:  right? So get on that if you're not. Get your blood work 1st, but dude,
50:49  Speaker 2:  don't wait. Get it done.
50:51  Speaker 2:  I would say HGH or 40,
50:54  Speaker 2:  so I would add that in. That's a long play. I could tell you're in it for the long play. Shoot, bro, 2 IUs and put that into place and
51:03  Speaker 2:  TRT and HGH, they should be staples for most men 40.
51:08  Speaker 2:  And
51:09  Speaker 2:  right,
51:10  Speaker 2:  like Will said,
51:12  Speaker 2:  diet, diet, diet, diet. The carnivore diet,
51:15  Speaker 2:  it will expedite you losing weight without a doubt.
51:20  Speaker 2:  90 days, you don't have to do it in any type of perpetuity forever. I love it. It was working well for me. You might fall in love with it, but add in some intermittent fasting, as he said, and the carnivore brother, you will lose another a 100 pounds super quick just on the diet and intermittent fasting.
51:35  Speaker 2:  So,
51:36  Speaker 2:  Tesamorelin,
51:38  Speaker 2:  HGH,
51:39  Speaker 2:  TRT,
51:40  Speaker 2:  NAD just for some cellular energy. I threw in DSIP because
51:45  Speaker 2:  sleep is so freaking important.
51:48  Speaker 2:  So if you're sleeping like crap,
51:50  Speaker 2:  know, your cortisol's up, that's gonna be a bitch too. So throw on some DSIP. I thought that was a wise decision. And we'll say the same thing. Sloop, I was curious who you're going throw that in, Will. Sloop,
52:00  Speaker 2:  I would say, Will, if I'm gonna a 1 MQ over the sloop because your body's going to focus on the fat burning fat, it's going to use a lot, utilize that fat. If you're doing a carnivore, it works perfect. I do throw this at you. What about L Carnitine? The only negative about L Carnitine is that it sucks to inject it. Yeah. But if you can get past that part,
52:20  Speaker 2:  because it's a daily meal,
52:22  Speaker 2:  gosh, bro. L carnitine is a a badass because you're gonna burn fat. It's gonna really utilize that burning of fat. So if you compound
52:30  Speaker 2:  that, dude, you're gonna light that fat on fire, brother. Yes. I don't think that there's any problem also with taking all 3 of those infection with Retta. Think that they all will complement each other and work slightly different ways and through different pathways and can really benefit you. So- You're gonna hear a lot of people and you get all
52:48  Speaker 2:  of us get a lot of information. What's the truth? You're gonna have to see what works for you. A lot of people think you can't do Retta and beyond carnivore.
52:55  Speaker 2:  I tell you, you can. Now, if
52:58  Speaker 2:  you need to use carbs and you feel like your body is craving carbs, you can utilize them at the right times only, which is still do carnivore,
53:06  Speaker 2:  but utilize carbs right before you work out and right after you work out and that's it.
53:11  Speaker 2:  That's it. Your body is going to use those carbs, right? And they're gonna, it's going to push them into the muscle at that time.
53:19  Speaker 2:  And other than that, stay on carnivore.
53:21  Speaker 2:  And that's the only time I would use carbs. I would try to just cut the carbs out and fast a lot. You're going to increase your human growth hormone when you fast
53:29  Speaker 2:  and you're going to feel amazing, dude. Like fasting, you feel freaking great.
53:33  Speaker 2:  And it's
53:34  Speaker 2:  going to cultivate
53:36  Speaker 2:  your discipline, brother. And like, you know, at 4 47, you've slacked, you've lacked on some discipline.
53:42  Speaker 2:  Intermittent fasting, there's nothing faster that cultivates discipline than intermittent fasting. So that will help you,
53:48  Speaker 3:  in the long run and in life, brother. So I would throw that in without doubt. Yep, no doubt. You know, you just damn. Oh, the way that he just said to eat carbs, I mean, as a general rule, that's basically all you
54:02  Speaker 3:  we've said this before, but people talk about, Oh, this is how many calories I eat. Forget the calories. I don't care.
54:09  Speaker 3:  What I do care about is macronutrients,
54:11  Speaker 3:  which is protein, fat, carbs. But beyond that, I actually, frankly,
54:15  Speaker 3:  there's a huge difference between, Hey, well, I ate this many grams of carbs today.
54:20  Speaker 3:  Okay, I
54:21  Speaker 3:  ate exactly, when? Like, when did you eat those carbs? Is huge difference, right? Don't eat them at night. Eat them when you're gonna burn them off. Eat them
54:30  Speaker 3:  in conjunction carbs, with these workouts.
54:32  Speaker 2:  But it's like, don't, if you're trying to lose weight and burn fat, don't eat carbs before you go to bed. Eat protein
54:39  Speaker 2:  and don't eat carbs. Just trust me. Like it's important on when you eat carbs. Now carnivore works so well because you cut out carbs, you cut out all sugar and your body
54:49  Speaker 2:  runs on fat, true fat. And like, if you've never ran in a true keto ketogenic
54:54  Speaker 2:  diet and been in ketosis,
54:57  Speaker 2:  you have sustained energy. You don't have any crashes. You don't have these, when you eat carbs, got, oh man, you got like you just literally have energy all day. That's why I've done it for so long. I love it.
55:08  Speaker 2:  So
55:09  Speaker 2:  keep us posted, this guy, whoever you are. Sorry to cut you off, buddy. I
55:13  Speaker 2:  don't know, man. I got a connection, so I feel like you're just kicking ass and I know that it's hard for what you've done. Keep us posted how you're doing.
55:19  Speaker 2:  If you, however you, if it's just a podcast, if you're in school,
55:23  Speaker 2:  have, we just uploaded my carnivore diet that I used to sell for on
55:27  Speaker 2:  the school platform. Now it's in VIP, but it's cheap and we have it outlined for you.
55:33  Speaker 3:  So you jump on that brother if you want. And keep the momentum. You're right, JD. Like, it's funny our bodies when they start to realize, oh, that's what you're trying to do to me. You're trying to like burn to lose weight. Okay. And then it gets going, right? Dude, whatever you do, you just keep trying. If you run into a wall and a plateau, you just try something new. It will bust it and you'll get through and
55:54  Speaker 3:  always keep trying to add muscle.
55:56  Speaker 3:  Hence, This is why the Mongolian, in the ancient times, Mongolian army was so damn effective because they were
56:05  Speaker 3:  So they were a traveling army and what did they eat? They were all on a carnivore diet, right? They traveled, they killed 1 of their horses to eat it, and they drank milk and cheese.
56:14  Speaker 3:  So they were pure
56:16  Speaker 3:  and they had that means that their food
56:18  Speaker 3:  was walking with them at all times. Unlike then we go fight the Chinese army who has to carry
56:24  Speaker 3:  10 trailer horse trailers full of grain. Right?
56:28  Speaker 3:  Fuck that shit. Feed their soldiers. Push your limits, train with precision,
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57:15  Speaker 3:  These guys and their soldiers got sluggish.
57:18  Speaker 3:  Right. And the Mongolian guys just kept kept going. They could just cruise without taking any breaks because they had full sustained energy, and they were traveling light and lean.
57:28  Speaker 3:  So
57:29  Speaker 3:  They would use to they like, back in the day, man, they would literally, like,
57:34  Speaker 3:  cook fat
57:35  Speaker 3:  and drink it. Yeah. Like coffee. I know that sounds crazy, but like, why? It's drinking energy. Just like we drink coffee for energy, they would drink fat. Why? Because it's freaking they knew it was energy. Yep. Good stuff. Rollover. Okay.
57:47  Speaker 3:  So now we are gonna start with some of these questions.
57:50  Speaker 3:  So
57:51  Speaker 3:  I will preface this with, we just talked to Peter for a long time yesterday.
57:56  Speaker 3:  There's a lot of information
57:58  Speaker 3:  that,
57:59  Speaker 3:  and we need to go compile some things and we are planning on doing
58:04  Speaker 3:  very
58:04  Speaker 3:  soon, 1 of these Peptide of the Week podcasts is really gonna be going over like a COA,
58:10  Speaker 3:  right? And telling everybody
58:13  Speaker 3:  how
58:13  Speaker 3:  absolutely to read it, all the potential
58:17  Speaker 3:  components,
58:18  Speaker 3:  what to look for, what is important, what isn't important. And so we're gonna do a bit more of a deep dive, but we'll give you some of the answers that we can off the top of our brains right now. Okay? So number 1,
58:31  Speaker 3:  I'd like to know what Peter says about shelf life. Peter Magic is the owner of, and so that's who he's referring to.
58:38  Speaker 3:  Says about shelf life in or outside of the refrigerator or freezer for non reconstituted
58:43  Speaker 3:  peptides.
58:44  Speaker 3:  I'm also curious as to what his opinion is on how fragile are peptides really.
58:49  Speaker 3:  Some people may be super easy with them, some people may go crazy with them. Okay. So twice now, so if you go around Peter's lab,
58:59  Speaker 3:  a lyophilized
59:00  Speaker 3:  unreconstituted
59:02  Speaker 3:  peptide
59:03  Speaker 3:  is pretty damn stable.
59:05  Speaker 3:  That is the point of the lyophilization,
59:08  Speaker 3:  right? That's a preservative.
59:11  Speaker 3:  We have now been in several labs, but most recently we were in a big manufacturing
59:17  Speaker 3:  facility
59:18  Speaker 3:  and they had
59:20  Speaker 3:  tons of product made, lyophilized,
59:23  Speaker 3:  not in a fridge, sitting out. I remember asking them, Hey, are you worried about this? And they said, Not at all.
59:30  Speaker 3:  No. Now it's an air conditioned facility. You know what I'm saying? But it's not they weren't in a fridge. Yeah. Same
59:36  Speaker 3:  thing at Januszepatide.
59:37  Speaker 3:  There was,
59:39  Speaker 3:  same thing. And I think and I asked him then, he said, they're pretty they are incredibly stable. There's some things like HGH,
59:46  Speaker 3:  which is, HGH
59:48  Speaker 3:  shit. AOD, HGH frag,
59:51  Speaker 3:  and IGF-one.
59:53  Speaker 3:  Those ones seem to be a little bit more fragile
59:56  Speaker 3:  even in a lyophilized state and open for degradation,
1:00:00  Speaker 3:  but
1:00:01  Speaker 3:  they're not that worried. But here's the deal. And then you say, hey, should re you know, refrigerate or not?
1:00:08  Speaker 3:  I still would.
1:00:09  Speaker 3:  Cold, dark, cool, dark cabinet is probably just
1:00:14  Speaker 3:  as good as a refrigerator.
1:00:15  Speaker 3:  Don't put it in the freezer. The 1 scare on a refrigerator is that there gets any moisture in there and getting moisture in there is really not good on the peptide because there could be some contaminants
1:00:26  Speaker 3:  in there that,
1:00:27  Speaker 3:  the bacteria that kills off the peptide.
1:00:30  Speaker 3:  And
1:00:31  Speaker 3:  so just make sure that that's not happening. That's why you don't want to freeze them and then thaw and then refreeze, which usually happens. That's the problem. Heating, cooling, heating, cooling, heating, don't do that. Mm-mm. No. But storing in a in a in a in a fridge, you just
1:00:47  Speaker 3:  dude, it's not the end of the world. Like, we traveled here, but if you can, do that.
1:00:53  Speaker 3:  You know? If you can, do it. Also, you said, hey. Some people be a be super easy with them, and some people go crazy with them. I wouldn't go crazy with them. There's still a lot of some of them, especially the ones I mentioned, HCG
1:01:04  Speaker 3:  also,
1:01:05  Speaker 3:  can be a bit fragile. And we know for sure even the
1:01:10  Speaker 3:  blasting of water in Tesamorelin,
1:01:12  Speaker 3:  for example, like too cold of water, that literally can
1:01:16  Speaker 3:  be the difference of it gelling up and not gelling up. So
1:01:19  Speaker 3:  be gentle. I don't know. I mean, how much harder work is it to like
1:01:24  Speaker 2:  be gentle than it is to just be as rough as possible? I'd say like, treat a peptide like a woman, man. Just be delicate. Like now some of them are more delicate, like NAD doesn't like light. Why do you think it's in the amber bottle? So
1:01:36  Speaker 2:  like some are more delicate. Most when they're not mixed, they're fine. Once you mix them, it's a whole different story, right? Tesamorelin,
1:01:43  Speaker 2:  he just said,
1:01:44  Speaker 2:  AOD can be like that in NAD. There are some delicate ones. Other than that, most are pretty
1:01:51  Speaker 2:  tough, to speak, but there are some of you gotta, but just, you're spending money on these compounds, right?
1:01:57  Speaker 2:  Like treat them well, right? And
1:02:00  Speaker 2:  I think that's so important to kind of sit on that point again, Will, because like so many people,
1:02:04  Speaker 2:  just like us, we've learned so much over the last year and 0.5, doing this podcast and meeting people and like
1:02:11  Speaker 2:  everything's improving
1:02:13  Speaker 2:  on what we learn.
1:02:14  Speaker 2:  And, you know,
1:02:17  Speaker 2:  the peptides just needed to be tested with care. If they're outside as they travel,
1:02:22  Speaker 2:  they are, if they have not been mixed, they're fine. Don't worry about them. Like they don't have to be cold. Have some people to trip out on don't need to be if they're not mixed, you're fine. Right? Yeah.
1:02:32  Speaker 3:  Yes. Agreed.
1:02:34  Speaker 3:  Agreed. Alright.
1:02:35  Speaker 3:  Next, we'll go ahead, JD. Top of the page, that 1st 1. What has surprised? What
1:02:42  Speaker 2:  has surprised or changed your view on peptide testing
1:02:46  Speaker 2:  after visiting? This is a good question. What really
1:02:50  Speaker 2:  needs testing?
1:02:51  Speaker 2:  What factors are most relevant for testing which don't matter? I thought that was a great question. Short and sweet. Okay. Yeah, very short and sweet. Like, I think that it
1:03:02  Speaker 3:  was a huge eye opener.
1:03:05  Speaker 3:  Knowing
1:03:06  Speaker 3:  that
1:03:07  Speaker 3:  so what has surprised me or changed me? Holy crap.
1:03:11  Speaker 3:  They, Janoszc,
1:03:13  Speaker 3:  does an incredible thorough
1:03:16  Speaker 3:  job of what they do. I mean, they have 40 employees.
1:03:20  Speaker 3:  They are top of the line. And it's not because of like, oh, well, yeah, they just do that much volume.
1:03:26  Speaker 3:  Yeah, they do a decent amount of volume, but it's because of just how thorough they are. Like everybody
1:03:35  Speaker 3:  is a scientist
1:03:36  Speaker 3:  at work there. I mean, I guess there's some admin people that aren't.
1:03:39  Speaker 3:  They
1:03:42  Speaker 3:  have multiple machines and machines that aren't even used for the tests that display,
1:03:47  Speaker 3:  but they are machines to test small variants
1:03:50  Speaker 3:  of what the main machine does to
1:03:55  Speaker 3:  just double check, triple check that
1:03:57  Speaker 3:  they are seeing 1 thing correct.
1:04:00  Speaker 3:  They are the 1, I don't know, I guess I can't say that I've visited every single lab,
1:04:06  Speaker 3:  analytical lab out there because I have not, but
1:04:10  Speaker 3:  I will say that they're the gold standard. And I know I've been testing with a lot of other labs and I've talked to some of them and know what their staff size looks like. Like, I mean, Peter was pretty adamant that if you are
1:04:23  Speaker 3:  I said, Hey, man, if you had to choose, give me 2 other labs in The United States that
1:04:28  Speaker 3:  you would suggest that I send my peptides to be tested,
1:04:33  Speaker 3:  what is your answer? And he goes, I
1:04:35  Speaker 3:  would start 2 labs in The United States and do it through my methodology because
1:04:40  Speaker 3:  I have very
1:04:42  Speaker 3:  little faith in
1:04:44  Speaker 3:  everybody anybody else's labs. And it seems like he keeps up on them. He's like, JJ- He did. For sure. If you're running a show, if you're doing all of this testing that they're doing, like the multiple tests,
1:04:54  Speaker 3:  and you have 3, 4, 5 people working for you,
1:04:59  Speaker 3:  you're not doing it. Yeah. Right.
1:05:01  Speaker 3:  It's not possible
1:05:03  Speaker 3:  to get reliable answers. There's
1:05:05  Speaker 3:  other he's like, He I mentioned
1:05:07  Speaker 3:  1 lab and like, here's the thing with Peter, he's 1 of the most, like, humble,
1:05:12  Speaker 3:  positive
1:05:13  Speaker 3:  people,
1:05:14  Speaker 3:  and it's hard to drag out anything negative out of his mouth about anybody else. Right? In fact, he would just be like, I don't know, just whatever.
1:05:22  Speaker 3:  They do what they do. But he's like, even he said some lad being on the end, he's like, yeah, I mean, consumers love them because the way that they do the tests, like all of their stuff comes out to be a 100 like 99.9%
1:05:35  Speaker 3:  pure. If
1:05:36  Speaker 3:  I was a
1:05:38  Speaker 3:  company that was selling bed bugs, I'd love them too, but like, it's not accurate.
1:05:42  Speaker 3:  There's no just not even might as well not
1:05:45  Speaker 3:  even test them.
1:05:47  Speaker 3:  My the biggest eye opener, I don't know, is just like how thorough they are and,
1:05:52  Speaker 3:  that's class act, and
1:05:54  Speaker 3:  I don't think that most places are like that. It
1:05:59  Speaker 2:  was such a rad experience for me. I mean, his place is huge. I mean, it's like 40,000 square foot. He showed us like almost every
1:06:07  Speaker 2:  labs and like rooms like 12 different
1:06:10  Speaker 2:  lab rooms, which had a different machine that obviously cost a lot of money in each 1.
1:06:15  Speaker 2:  And we met a lot of his staff and they were super passionate and they were freaking
1:06:20  Speaker 2:  extremely intelligent.
1:06:21  Speaker 2:  And they start talking, love what they do.
1:06:25  Speaker 2:  They're a gold standard, man. You know, I'm not tooting his horn. I wouldn't say that if I didn't feel it. It was such a rad experience. I liked them before and I liked Peter before, that's why we came here. But
1:06:36  Speaker 2:  they're the real deal. Are the gold standard in testing, hands down.
1:06:41  Speaker 2:  And if you got to witness what we saw, you would know exactly what I'm talking about. They don't cut corners.
1:06:47  Speaker 2:  If they can't figure it out, they don't just, like,
1:06:50  Speaker 2:  it's like 80%. Like, it goes through a line until it's proven to them that it's done. That's rare. We like that, Will and I, that type of thing. You know, it's important for us, any type of thing we put out that it's top of the line and that's how they are. So that's how we jive with them.
1:07:07  Speaker 3:  And we'll answer some more of these questions. And by the way, everybody like we have
1:07:11  Speaker 3:  video footage
1:07:12  Speaker 3:  throughout the whole thing and he was cool. He said, You can film everything.
1:07:16  Speaker 2:  That's why I
1:07:18  Speaker 2:  think,
1:07:19  Speaker 2:  and I keep cutting you off, but I'm not trying to, but like, we tell people to do that for us. Like, we practice what we teach. We say, Listen,
1:07:27  Speaker 2:  will they open up their business for you? Like, we don't want loads of people coming, right? Like, we have a business, we got to run it. But we don't, we're transparent. Like we don't know it all. And we are transparent. And like, that's how, what you got from him. He didn't, he, if, you know what I mean? He showed us freaking every part of that
1:07:45  Speaker 2:  business. And I can tell you, if you asked 5 other places that did does what they, he does, I bet you, they don't let you come by. Yeah. Wanna bet? Well,
1:07:53  Speaker 3:  there's 1, 1 lab that I've sent some samples to, and they've recently said like, Hey, well, we're like, we're not, we're not taking these samples.
1:08:01  Speaker 3:  And I told Peter that, he's like, Well, thank you. At least they have the sense to admit it because a lot of these places, the peptide craze is so big that
1:08:10  Speaker 3:  so many people are sending in samples, And so many of these companies, I mean, even he's like, It's you get overwhelmed
1:08:16  Speaker 3:  fast,
1:08:17  Speaker 2:  and
1:08:19  Speaker 3:  most of the companies
1:08:21  Speaker 3:  just want the money and they'll just, all right, I'll keep sending it. And like the testing process, here's 1 thing that really opened my eyes to like, the process,
1:08:30  Speaker 3:  these machines don't, it's not as simple.
1:08:34  Speaker 3:  You don't just put the thing in there, run the machine and it goes, beep,
1:08:37  Speaker 3:  tells me all the data perfect. Like it takes
1:08:41  Speaker 3:  a trained scientist
1:08:43  Speaker 3:  to subjectively
1:08:44  Speaker 3:  analyze these graphs
1:08:45  Speaker 3:  and make judgment calls on basically every test.
1:08:52  Speaker 3:  Then if there is something that is not an obvious slam dunk judgment call, okay, which a lot of things aren't,
1:08:58  Speaker 3:  then it gets escalated
1:09:01  Speaker 3:  to the next round of testing, which takes about
1:09:04  Speaker 3:  another 3 hours per bottle.
1:09:07  Speaker 3:  Okay, they're getting 1,000 bottles a day,
1:09:10  Speaker 3:  and they're still willing to do all of that extra work. I guarantee you that,
1:09:15  Speaker 3:  well, I can't, but Peter basically guaranteed us that
1:09:19  Speaker 3:  these other companies are doing this subjective analysis and they're going, Yeah, it looks like it. Okay, we'll sign that off. And even if it's not a slam dunk, they're like, Well, I just do a fifty-fifty.
1:09:29  Speaker 3:  But it says say that that's it. Okay, yes.
1:09:32  Speaker 3:  And
1:09:33  Speaker 3:  let's sign off and send the report instead of spending any of the extra time or money that it costs to pay those employees and buy those machines to do the extra analysis on everything. But I guess what did blow my mind is really is it's crazy how subjective most of these tests are. Yeah.
1:09:49  Speaker 3:  And again, we're gonna go deeper into this, so let's go to the next question.
1:09:53  Speaker 3:  I'll get it. Am I up? No, I am.
1:09:57  Speaker 3:  Hey, guys. Sounds like your time in Prague
1:10:00  Speaker 3:  Prague was amazing. My question is for someone looking to get in the business of research peptides and looking at bulk wholesale suppliers,
1:10:07  Speaker 3:  what are things you look for? Are there reputable companies out there? Thanks for your time.
1:10:12  Speaker 3:  All right. Jay, you tell me if I skip something, but I can help answer this a little bit. Yeah. Okay.
1:10:18  Speaker 3:  Reputable suppliers. You're trying to get in the business. Now, most people in the research use only business are buying everything from China. Okay?
1:10:26  Speaker 3:  So there's a
1:10:29  Speaker 3:  which presents its
1:10:31  Speaker 3:  rare set of problems, and that's getting all of that here. I do think,
1:10:36  Speaker 3:  firmly do believe that
1:10:39  Speaker 3:  there are reputable suppliers in China that are just as good quality
1:10:44  Speaker 3:  as buying
1:10:45  Speaker 3:  from hell, an FDA facility here in The States. You
1:10:49  Speaker 3:  need to seek them and find them out, right? Yeah, they're not everywhere.
1:10:54  Speaker 3:  They're not everywhere. And I would say that 90%
1:10:56  Speaker 3:  of you go to go contact these people in China, right? Like 90% of them are middlemen. Okay? You'll notice this why they send you the same menus. They're a format of the thing. They don't even know if it's, you know, they're doing so much business from uneducated people. They don't even
1:11:11  Speaker 3:  bother like reformatting their menu.
1:11:14  Speaker 3:  You can tell, like, there are very few
1:11:17  Speaker 3:  true
1:11:18  Speaker 2:  manufacturers,
1:11:20  Speaker 3:  right? And then in
1:11:21  Speaker 3:  China, all these other people are just middlemen, right? They set up, answered, they put out ads on Alibaba,
1:11:28  Speaker 3:  etcetera,
1:11:29  Speaker 3:  and then sell you the stuff and they get the cheap stuff from them depending on what they're charging.
1:11:34  Speaker 3:  They might get say, Oh yeah, I'll take the stuff that tested out, you know, not above your testing grades.
1:11:41  Speaker 3:  So when searching these out, I guess, and I'm not gonna give you the answer because I spent 10 years doing this. Yeah. And finding out my own Cultivating the relationships and like- Yeah.
1:11:53  Speaker 3:  That too, and cultivating the relationships, right? Like showing these people that you are a serious buyer and you buy stuff and- Right.
1:12:00  Speaker 3:  But basically, absolutely, there are legit ones. What you need to do is find the people who are the real manufacturers.
1:12:08  Speaker 3:  Another so a good sign is, and I know this from Genaschik because they've
1:12:13  Speaker 3:  they told me this, that, like, 2 of the suppliers that I that we used to get stuff from, still sometimes do,
1:12:20  Speaker 3:  they will a mass manufacturer,
1:12:23  Speaker 3:  basically,
1:12:24  Speaker 3:  lot of their business, maybe the majority of the business is from menu is from manufacturers
1:12:29  Speaker 3:  making about sending in a 100 bottles, right, for them to test. And
1:12:34  Speaker 3:  then those manufacturers
1:12:36  Speaker 3:  will also say, Hey,
1:12:38  Speaker 3:  for this test, I need 4 different versions of this for my big customers. Okay? So if they can If you have a supplier that is willing to sell you the peptides
1:12:47  Speaker 3:  with a brand new
1:12:49  Speaker 3:  Janoschik
1:12:50  Speaker 3:  test with your company's name on it, that's actually a very good sign, right? That's a good sign because I know that's happening. I've talked to Janoschik. They tell me that this happens a lot. It's not these big suppliers just like photoshopping
1:13:02  Speaker 3:  and putting a different name on there. And
1:13:05  Speaker 3:  if they're willing to give you a brand new test for every batch that they produce,
1:13:11  Speaker 3:  that's a very good sign. I still
1:13:14  Speaker 3:  would retest it,
1:13:16  Speaker 3:  because you don't really know if what they sent you is what they tested. But
1:13:22  Speaker 2:  there is that, you know, I would- We were saying the other day though, which I think we should bring up real quick is that, because Will's been doing this as long as I've known him. I've never known him to not do this stuff. So he's the longest, 1 of the longest people I know that have been dealing with in this world.
1:13:39  Speaker 2:  And he'll tell you straight up, he said it on this podcast,
1:13:43  Speaker 2:  if you try a new supplier,
1:13:46  Speaker 2:  75%
1:13:47  Speaker 2:  of that new supplier is bunk. Yeah. Yeah. That is bad math.
1:13:52  Speaker 2:  So if you are somebody that is going the cheap route, I don't care what you do, this is just giving you some wisdom and you do what you want with it.
1:14:02  Speaker 2:  If it's somebody,
1:14:03  Speaker 2:  we've had it before, I've talked about it, that's selling a Retrutide 30 meg for $60.
1:14:07  Speaker 2:  It's not mathematically
1:14:08  Speaker 2:  possible
1:14:09  Speaker 2:  for that to be tested out the way that it needs to be tested. Now, if you're fine with that, cool. I don't care what you do, do you? I'm just telling you mathematically,
1:14:18  Speaker 2:  it's not going to do that. Now, if it's a person that used a company in the 75%,
1:14:24  Speaker 2:  you're not getting rid of True Tide, right? Now it's 60 Are you getting it heavily on the gamble?
1:14:29  Speaker 2:  Or do you spend,
1:14:32  Speaker 2:  you know, a few more bucks to know that a company's legit and triple tests and does all this stuff because that costs money and they're gonna be passed that cost or a portion of it onto you. Some people are gonna go that route, some people are gonna go the cheap route, but you do you, but know the fact that not tested, tested,
1:14:51  Speaker 2:  and each is own. But 75% of what we'll buy is from new suppliers that he hasn't cultivated over years is bunk shit. It's bunk shit. That's a problem. Hell. Lander dose is not what it is.
1:15:03  Speaker 2:  Hell. He said he said they're going through a stage
1:15:07  Speaker 2:  where
1:15:08  Speaker 2:  more than ever, they're not only not being,
1:15:12  Speaker 3:  it's not a peptide, it's nothing. Yep. We leaned over a computer that was doing some analysis and he just pulled up like a couple different,
1:15:20  Speaker 3:  compounds
1:15:21  Speaker 3:  and,
1:15:22  Speaker 3:  there was like 3 or 4 of them and none of them were what they said that
1:15:27  Speaker 3:  none of them were
1:15:28  Speaker 3:  what they consumed, what it was reported to be. Right.
1:15:32  Speaker 3:  I forget what the other ones were, but the last 1 happened to he's like, All right, this was a test for Primo and it tested out his testosterone propionate.
1:15:41  Speaker 3:  He's like, All
1:15:42  Speaker 3:  happens all the time. We're talking peptides and-
1:15:45  Speaker 2:  Gear. Gear, which is still cool. Like, Will and I kind of blew our minds, so we've never seen this.
1:15:50  Speaker 2:  And a quick little left turn on to gear real quick was,
1:15:55  Speaker 2:  so a lot of times gear will fall out and it looks all cloudy and whatnot.
1:16:00  Speaker 2:  Puts it which in
1:16:02  Speaker 3:  we'd never seen before, Right? He's got like a scientific because dish of warm
1:16:08  Speaker 2:  you can't, like, we've always told people you could put it under warm water and it, you could still use it.
1:16:14  Speaker 2:  It's just been formulated wrong or too much, you know? There's not enough benzylbenzoate.
1:16:18  Speaker 2:  Yeah, pretty much it's used in the tea. But anyways, we learned something and we thought that was very interesting. Had none of either of us had ever heard this. I think
1:16:25  Speaker 2:  if
1:16:27  Speaker 2:  I could kind of jump in real quick and just kind of give somebody like my viewpoint, he's the more scientific. Here, if you're like, you're trying to start a peptide company, right? Everybody in their brother house, if you want to do it legit, you have 2 routes. If you want to go direct to China, you can do that. You're going to need to
1:16:43  Speaker 2:  get that from China to you and that's a bitch. Ask Will, he will tell you. You need to have multiple addresses and those will, 1 will fall out and you have to, it's a pain in the ass, but you get them at a cheaper price.
1:16:54  Speaker 2:  That's going to take some time to cultivate the relationship with some suppliers in China that are legit. Most of them, as we just said, 75% will be bad. If you find the batch that's good, now you got to get them here if you're buying in bulk and that is a bitch because you have to have multiple,
1:17:10  Speaker 2:  multiple,
1:17:11  Speaker 2:  you can't just send them to your house every time, that will get flagged, right? Like that, so that's if you start to juggle
1:17:17  Speaker 2:  like, you know, different addresses. That's 1 thing. Now the other route is going to be if you, and then you have to have marketing. If you don't have marketing, how the hell are you gonna sell the peptides? Everybody have sold some peptides to some family and some friends and go, I can make a living doing this. That's it's not as easy as you think. Banks will shut you down. Venmo's will shut you down.
1:17:37  Speaker 2:  Zelle's will shut you down. We at the
1:17:41  Speaker 2:  very beginning, I'm not like
1:17:42  Speaker 2:  throwing this out there.
1:17:44  Speaker 2:  Held, we had a $100
1:17:46  Speaker 2:  held at numerous spots and
1:17:48  Speaker 2:  we just started the company. Thank God we had the money, but like, if it was a
1:17:54  Speaker 2:  company that just started, will cripple a company. It happened. And we didn't get it back for 6 months. So it's not as easy as people think. I'm not deterring you. I'm telling you what you're stepping
1:18:05  Speaker 2:  into if this is the realm that you go. Now, the easier route,
1:18:08  Speaker 2:  less margin
1:18:10  Speaker 2:  is to go with a company that's already done that, that's established
1:18:14  Speaker 2:  and has that stuff on lock
1:18:16  Speaker 2:  and you buy it at a wholesale price. Now you still have to have the marketing
1:18:21  Speaker 2:  because I can't even tell you how many people I have talked to because I'm a sales guy that this thing they're gonna sell to some friends and some family and they're gonna start posting stuff on their personal Instagram with 400 followers and they're gonna sell shit. Dude, everybody does that. You're not gonna sell shit. You're gonna waste a lot of money, have marketing
1:18:38  Speaker 2:  and have a plan
1:18:39  Speaker 2:  and be prepared for the Venmo and stuff, or go with a company that has that stuff already on lock. All you have to do is get them from them at a higher price because they're going to make their money, but they have the systems, they have the protocols, they have the stability set up and you just have to sell. That's the easier, cheaper route until you might
1:19:00  Speaker 3:  be big enough to where you do go the other route. So did I explain that well? Like, do have to do I guess the the when they when you say when you're telling people to buy it, that you buy from that company that's figured out, he's saying you're
1:19:12  Speaker 3:  these people will be drop shipping for your website. Right. So it'll be white labeling
1:19:16  Speaker 3:  and putting on your, whatever your design is and the labels. Have their own fulfillment center. They buy all the peptides. They store all the peptides.
1:19:23  Speaker 3:  You ain't gotta do nothing but build your website and market it.
1:19:27  Speaker 2:  Now you make less money, obviously. You usually hold them and they
1:19:32  Speaker 2:  Or the stability, and then you just have to sell. But that way you could start a company without any money, really, except to have your marketing and you don't take the risk of
1:19:41  Speaker 2:  doing what happened to us
1:19:44  Speaker 3:  because it hurt, you know? Yeah. So- It's hard, man. And like customs is cracking down on imports, you know?
1:19:51  Speaker 3:  I've had
1:19:53  Speaker 3:  35 different addresses across the country just to
1:19:55  Speaker 2:  get peptides in here. Say say that again so people understand. 35
1:19:59  Speaker 3:  different
1:20:00  Speaker 3:  addresses
1:20:02  Speaker 3:  around the nation,
1:20:04  Speaker 3:  just to import peptides.
1:20:07  Speaker 3:  We
1:20:08  Speaker 3:  and so, like, yeah, that is 1 option. China,
1:20:12  Speaker 3:  unreliable. There's a lot of stuff, dude. Here's the thing about a business people don't realize, like, cool, when you're selling to your buddies, you know, you're not paying taxes. You're not there is all this 50%
1:20:22  Speaker 3:  behind a business, all the BS paperwork that needs to be done, right?
1:20:26  Speaker 3:  Storing of Yeah, the it costs tons of money and
1:20:30  Speaker 3:  pay taxes.
1:20:32  Speaker 3:  That's expensive.
1:20:34  Speaker 3:  Pay taxes and get all of those forms and business license and wholesale licenses and sellers permits and all this stuff, like, do it the right way and you'll see what
1:20:43  Speaker 3:  businesses face. It's tough. It is tough. There's
1:20:47  Speaker 3:  1 option. Then the other option is
1:20:51  Speaker 3:  is to to buy find, from an American made lab, and there's 2 different There
1:20:55  Speaker 3:  are some
1:20:57  Speaker 3:  labs that are not like FDA approved, but they are making peptides, well, because most even a 503B can't make all of the peptides legally. Yeah, legally. And you'll be paying quite a bit more, 3, 4 times the price
1:21:10  Speaker 3:  that China is selling them to you. You ain't gotta deal with logistics though, getting them in here.
1:21:18  Speaker 3:  And you can vet and know that, and I don't know, there's still some risk, man. You still gotta do your due diligence in, like,
1:21:26  Speaker 3:  website- They're making your own, they're making the peptides, if they're not supplementing with other peptides, right, with Chinese peptides, because actually they can't really make that much.
1:21:37  Speaker 3:  There's a lot.
1:21:38  Speaker 2:  Yeah.
1:21:39  Speaker 2:  And that's not even we're not even saying this to deter anybody. We love peptides and we
1:21:44  Speaker 2:  try to help anybody that even asks. We're just telling people that don't waste your money if you don't have a plan and like, you know that it's not as easy as everybody thinks, man. They just think, Oh man, I just sell some peptides. It's a bitch. The banks do not like you. They don't want your business. They will shut you down with
1:22:01  Speaker 2:  shitloads of money in the account.
1:22:03  Speaker 3:  You know? And they hold it for 6 months saying- Literally, maybe 6 chargebacks.
1:22:08  Speaker 3:  Yeah. So- They legally can do that.
1:22:11  Speaker 3:  Yeah. Yep. That's tough. But if you do well, it's great. If you do well, you do well. And then, you know, I don't know. There's every business, like, you know, a business owner needs to
1:22:21  Speaker 2:  come to decisions. Marketing's everything for any business, man. Like, I told you guys a story, but it's so funny. Like, you know, like, the world has changed when somehow through a friend of ours, dude's in my office, can I tell the story again? Because it's so funny, dude, about how somehow he got into my office, which we have like Nora and there's some barriers we have at this point. But he's sitting in my office through a friend and he wants to start a peptide company and I'm like, Okay, well, like, what's your plan? What's your strategy? He's like, Well, I'm just an old school guy. Just gonna start knocking on doors. And I'm like, Well, let me just be blunt. That's not gonna work. So what else do you have? You know, I'm like, this is going to left field. Then I said, Well, tell me about some peptides, like, what do you know? Well, I don't know anything yet, but I'm gonna start learning. This is a true conversation verbatim.
1:23:05  Speaker 2:  And I'm like, So you don't, you want to sell something that you don't have the money to start, you don't know what you're selling or anything about what you're selling, and you have no marketing strategy,
1:23:14  Speaker 2:  and that's what you got, And I was just like, Dude, bro,
1:23:18  Speaker 2:  what is happening? It's
1:23:20  Speaker 2:  where the market Yeah,
1:23:22  Speaker 3:  buy your peptides from somebody who knows what the hell they're doing.
1:23:25  Speaker 3:  They should know the ins and outs of every single peptide they sell,
1:23:29  Speaker 3:  like detailed protocols,
1:23:31  Speaker 3:  etcetera. If somebody's like, I don't really know, then don't buy it from them. A lot of times people will,
1:23:38  Speaker 2:  we're going in the weeds here, but like a lot of times people will use super old COAs. Why? Because nobody knows how to read them. That's why we're gonna do a podcast on how to read a COA so you make an educated decision
1:23:51  Speaker 2:  on what you do. That's all we're trying to do.
1:23:54  Speaker 3:  Yep. Alright.
1:23:55  Speaker 3:  Go ahead with our next 1. My next? Alright. Yeah.
1:24:00  Speaker 2:  Okay. I should have noticed this.
1:24:03  Speaker 2:  Any increase in peptides being tested that are showing positive for fentanyl,
1:24:07  Speaker 2:  How common is it to show a false positive? How many times do you retest a vial if it shows positive
1:24:14  Speaker 2:  for fentanyl or other foreign substances?
1:24:17  Speaker 3:  Thank you from Missouri. All right. So I asked Peter about this. There was recently some article written
1:24:23  Speaker 3:  about
1:24:24  Speaker 3:  somebody
1:24:26  Speaker 3:  bought
1:24:26  Speaker 3:  some
1:24:27  Speaker 3:  peptides, which was like an amino blend, more like something more that looked like or like a lipo c b 12 plus amino mean amino blend. Unfortunately, the article was titled 5 amino 1 in q, which literally has nothing to do with that. So they're wrong right off the bat. So it was somebody who bought
1:24:45  Speaker 3:  bought this product
1:24:47  Speaker 3:  from some really sketchy looking Discord
1:24:52  Speaker 3:  name
1:24:53  Speaker 3:  with especially the picture. I don't know why the hell you would ever trust anybody that and buy your supplements that think they're good, but they bought 2 bottles.
1:25:00  Speaker 3:  And then they sent them into Janoshek, and long story short, it's like they tested for trace amounts of fentanyl.
1:25:05  Speaker 3:  And the article is like, hey, everybody watch your 5 amino-1MQ.
1:25:09  Speaker 3:  Maybe like
1:25:10  Speaker 3:  okay. What?
1:25:11  Speaker 3:  The story has nothing to do with 5 amino-1MQ
1:25:14  Speaker 3:  or even peptides
1:25:16  Speaker 3:  that have peptides having fentanyl traces in them. It's just they bought it some sketchy ass dude who's obviously like selling fentanyl
1:25:24  Speaker 3:  and
1:25:25  Speaker 3:  also trying to make supplements and steroids. And knows his money in peptides. And he's got some, he's
1:25:31  Speaker 3:  like reusing bottles and it had some residual fentanyl. It has nothing to do with the wider scope of
1:25:37  Speaker 3:  peptides in general fentanyl. Now that being said, Jammosheic has
1:25:42  Speaker 3:  the fentanyl control, which is basically like the exact amino acid structure atomic weight of what fentanyl
1:25:50  Speaker 3:  looks like or a metabolite of fentanyl, which is usually what they test for in these things. Now, if they So he said, How often?
1:25:59  Speaker 3:  Like,
1:26:00  Speaker 3:  never. 0.011
1:26:03  Speaker 3:  percent of the time did these things come back with fentanyl. Yeah. Most recently, that actually happened, and it was basically 1 of the only ones that's ever happened.
1:26:12  Speaker 3:  So
1:26:13  Speaker 3:  we're not all gonna get in some crazy worry that all these peptides have fentanyl in them, folks. Yeah. Please don't start those rumors.
1:26:21  Speaker 3:  And the question is how many times does do they retest the vial? They take that shit serious.
1:26:27  Speaker 3:  Yeah. It tested anything close to positive for fentanyl or any, like, finishing agents that fentanyl is that's how they test a lot of things is not really for the drug. Like, you look in these UA, like urinalysis cups, you know, the most they're not testing for they're not testing you.
1:26:43  Speaker 3:  The science isn't looking for that actual drug. What the science is looking for is a metabolite of what your body then produces when it comes into contact with that drug. Right. Right? And so if any hint
1:26:54  Speaker 3:  of a sample of having any fentanyl in it, it does pop up alert red flag as soon as that happens. They,
1:27:01  Speaker 3:  finish their work. They don't want their staff dealing with it, and they're not a drug lab. Right? They're not that's not what they do. So he actually sends the samples off to
1:27:10  Speaker 3:  he he actually did, like, 3, 4 more tests, I guess,
1:27:14  Speaker 3:  before
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1:28:15  Speaker 3:  With his employees with strict information, like, do not, like, handle this. Don't breathe it in. You will wear a mask, blah blah blah, very carefully.
1:28:24  Speaker 3:  They did 3 or 4 more tests to kind of double check their own results, And then they package it up and they sent it off to basically the country's drug lab,
1:28:33  Speaker 3:  for actual
1:28:34  Speaker 3:  confirmation
1:28:36  Speaker 3:  that it's fentanyl, but maybe it isn't. Maybe it's just like a finishing agent that they use in fentanyl, same finishing agent they use in Primo, Mastron E, right, which is why there was a shortage of that stuff because The US put pressure on China, and China is the 1 who makes a lot of these finishing agents. And so
1:28:51  Speaker 3:  so they couldn't make fentanyl, but they also couldn't make Primo and Mast Mast e.
1:28:55  Speaker 3:  Goddamn it. I know.
1:28:58  Speaker 2:  Welcome. Anyway,
1:28:59  Speaker 3:  so, basically, he takes it really serious and,
1:29:03  Speaker 3:  and then tests sends it off to the actual, like, country's
1:29:08  Speaker 3:  drug lab to really confirm it. And then as soon as that gets confirmed, they reach out to the person who sent the test in and they and they say, hey, man, like, this legitimately had fentanyl in it. So whatever you're doing with this product, destroy it right now,
1:29:21  Speaker 3:  and don't contaminate and poison other people in this world.
1:29:25  Speaker 3:  So Yeah. There's that. Okay. What does it cost to have a sample tested by General Shake, and what is the process? So The blue is iron. Gonna wait. I could I could give you an explanation of, like, literally all the kind of the 6 main categories that people are testing things for.
1:29:41  Speaker 3:  I'll give you a quick run through. So so there
1:29:44  Speaker 3:  is a difference between
1:29:46  Speaker 3:  there is 1 thing that will analyze purity.
1:29:49  Speaker 3:  Okay? This is the HPLC.
1:29:51  Speaker 3:  That will just tell you that actually won't even tell you what the substance is, but if you send in a BPC-one 57, a lot of these labs don't test the identity. They just say, okay, we'll we'll take your word that it's BPC-one 157. Then in the graph, it'll show
1:30:04  Speaker 3:  of this total substance,
1:30:07  Speaker 3:  at what percent is the majority of some substance?
1:30:11  Speaker 3:  They'll say 91%,
1:30:12  Speaker 3:  they'll see a big spike. 91%
1:30:16  Speaker 3:  is the majority of this, and we don't know what this is, but the person said it was BPC, so we'll just call it BPC. Cool, 91. So they will test your purity, what percentage of the entire sample is actually
1:30:27  Speaker 3:  the main drug that we're looking for.
1:30:29  Speaker 3:  Then there's the, like, mass spectrometer, HPLC with the mass spectrometer,
1:30:34  Speaker 3:  And that basically
1:30:36  Speaker 3:  weighs the peptide and knows what its atomic weight is. And then they compare that to the atomic weight control of all the other peptides and they see which are the same weight. And then they go, oh, that must be BPC because it weighs the same as that. Yeah.
1:30:53  Speaker 3:  And then there is another test for actually content. Then they need to test, hey,
1:30:58  Speaker 3:  cool, we know that's purity and we know what it is,
1:31:01  Speaker 3:  But is there 8 mg in this whole bottle, or is there 10? Like you said, they are. Right? Or is there 12?
1:31:07  Speaker 3:  So you can get lots of tests that just tell you
1:31:11  Speaker 3:  purity.
1:31:12  Speaker 3:  Literally don't tell you identity and don't tell you how much is in the bottle.
1:31:17  Speaker 3:  Then you have
1:31:18  Speaker 3:  heavy metals,
1:31:21  Speaker 3:  Peter and basically that 1, he said, you know, even if it was some of the worst metals, you're not doing enough of this stuff for it to actually affect a human being. Yeah.
1:31:31  Speaker 3:  Now as endotoxins,
1:31:32  Speaker 3:  about 5 percent of tests, have endotoxin in them,
1:31:37  Speaker 3:  which is the toxic
1:31:38  Speaker 3:  portion of a dead cell wall, but it still remains toxic after dead. He said about, like, a tiny percentage of those have them, and usually it is caught at the supplier stage.
1:31:50  Speaker 3:  Same with sterility.
1:31:51  Speaker 3:  Suppliers, the comforting fact is tons of suppliers are sending in bulk, bulk, bulk, bulk. Well, when they do see endotoxins and when they do see the sterility,
1:32:01  Speaker 2:  yeah, it's consistent over the whole batch and then they tell them and that gets destroyed. Like we literally saw that. Like we literally saw like, kind of like a portion, which was a whole batch, which is the same type of a growth in these little things. It was rad. Then you saw some other ones that were completely looked different, so they're gonna talk to us, but you could tell they were growing different. I thought that was rad, did you? It was really rad. It was rad. It was, and it was scary and disgusting. Put into pieces- I know. Was- Basically, last time, like, probably not. Yeah. Sterility is like you're testing for live bacteria. The only way you have live find live bacteria
1:32:35  Speaker 3:  is while you look in the microscope and you go, okay, maybe that's alive, but then we have to put it in a petri dish
1:32:40  Speaker 3:  and incubate it. Basically, they have to put it in a in an in an environment that a bacteria will will happily grow in, and then they sit back and wait a week.
1:32:50  Speaker 3:  Then they look at the petri dishes, and the ones that are just floured with mold
1:32:54  Speaker 3:  Yeah.
1:32:55  Speaker 3:  Are not sterile,
1:32:57  Speaker 3:  and they're frankly disgusting. I can see it. I can see it. It's really gross. Now they said that that's, like, very rare, but it happens.
1:33:06  Speaker 3:  It's usually always cleared up at the supplier stage.
1:33:09  Speaker 2:  Yeah. Again, it's usually like, if that's not the case, it's like a whole bulk batch. It's not like a 1 off. It's a bulk batch. Yeah. They don't really see it much in, like, individual people sending in samples, but thank God because some of these suppliers now there's competition, which is good, man. That breeds suppliers
1:33:24  Speaker 3:  having to go, shit. I better make a good product. Right?
1:33:28  Speaker 3:  And
1:33:29  Speaker 3:  then, so and then you asked me how much it costs. So for the HPLC and LMS is there's different prices on different compounds, but for a standard 1, $450
1:33:39  Speaker 3:  for the basic
1:33:41  Speaker 3:  pure how much, what is it?
1:33:45  Speaker 3:  105 doll add, $105 for a heavy metal test, add a $180
1:33:49  Speaker 3:  for endotoxin,
1:33:51  Speaker 3:  add $290
1:33:52  Speaker 3:  for a sterility test.
1:33:54  Speaker 3:  Alright?
1:33:55  Speaker 2:  To about 1000 dollars a test. Well, about that. Yep. Well, I mean, that's so in the end for our editor to kind of make a note of this for a clip. I think that's important for people to understand. That's the math. Yep. What it costs? Test and stuff. Now do you think you're gonna get it for $30,
1:34:10  Speaker 3:  or do think that that's outside of the math?
1:34:14  Speaker 3:  No, you don't have to test every bottle, but you gotta test 1 a batch and I can guarantee people aren't making, you know, a 100,000 bottle batches.
1:34:23  Speaker 3:  You're getting 500, maybe 1000 bottle batches
1:34:26  Speaker 3:  and do that 3 times per batch,
1:34:29  Speaker 3:  hurts
1:34:30  Speaker 3:  financially until you're selling it for cheap.
1:34:34  Speaker 3:  You shouldn't be able to. All right, good deal.
1:34:36  Speaker 2:  You go ahead with the next 1, I guess. All right, where we at here? The very last 1. Last 1. All right, guys. I know we're going long, but I think everybody's gonna be interested in this stuff because it was a cool experience. All right, so from a scientific standpoint,
1:34:49  Speaker 2:  what is the most difficult peptide for GenoShift to accurately analyze,
1:34:54  Speaker 2:  and what factors, purity, degradation,
1:34:57  Speaker 2:  aggregation,
1:34:59  Speaker 2:  sequence, similarity, etcetera,
1:35:01  Speaker 2:  make it particularly challenging? What a great question that was. Yeah. And here's the thing,
1:35:07  Speaker 2:  Complexity.
1:35:08  Speaker 3:  I'm going to,
1:35:09  Speaker 3:  maybe give you a more detailed answer in our next so stay tuned in a
1:35:14  Speaker 3:  week or 2,
1:35:16  Speaker 3:  when we break these down in detail,
1:35:19  Speaker 3:  but I'll tell you, I already know this. I mean, cerebral iosin, all right?
1:35:24  Speaker 3:  The problem is cerebral iosin is
1:35:27  Speaker 3:  made from basically pig brain, and it's not just 1 peptide.
1:35:31  Speaker 3:  It is several peptides
1:35:33  Speaker 3:  and different strains of them. So that is 1 of the most challenging peptides there is. The
1:35:40  Speaker 3:  other ones that have high
1:35:43  Speaker 3:  that are
1:35:45  Speaker 3:  not high amino
1:35:47  Speaker 3:  said he said the Reta is kind of challenging because
1:35:51  Speaker 3:  it's really heavy.
1:35:52  Speaker 3:  Heavy was the answer. But I know cerebral izin is super complex,
1:35:56  Speaker 3:  and a lot of places just don't even they won't they don't test it because they don't have the capability for it.
1:36:02  Speaker 3:  But
1:36:03  Speaker 3:  this last question is very good and you put some thought into asking it and use big words. So I
1:36:10  Speaker 2:  you to answer it.
1:36:11  Speaker 2:  Maybe HGH,
1:36:13  Speaker 2:  which would be 191 amino acids, and that's gonna be harder because it's a longer 1, some are 4, you know? So that's the easiest way I think, you know, is the sequence of the amino acids,
1:36:23  Speaker 2:  right? Know, complex- Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.
1:36:27  Speaker 3:  Yeah.
1:36:29  Speaker 3:  Then the longer chain, the longer chain, I mean, like like HGH,
1:36:33  Speaker 3:  right, most of this 91.
1:36:35  Speaker 2:  That's huge. That's the whole that is yes. That is the whole, like,
1:36:40  Speaker 3:  the longest peptide that you can get.
1:36:44  Speaker 3:  If, the the to make that, these shorter amino acids, right, are made a shorter amino acid sequence are made in this, like, solid phase,
1:36:53  Speaker 3:  hydrolysis or something, but they do not ever require they don't they don't put off a byproduct of endotoxin just making it. That's just not possible. But the long ones like HGH actually have to be grown in organic material
1:37:05  Speaker 3:  and that opens some things up. It opens it up to actually potentially have some more
1:37:12  Speaker 3:  endotoxins
1:37:13  Speaker 3:  in there. But yeah, the longer the sequence, the harder it is to test, but I'll give you some more specific answers in when we do a deep dive in there. So stay tuned.
1:37:23  Speaker 2:  Yeah. So that
1:37:25  Speaker 2:  was the questions. I know we were kind of long winded, but I think you, you know, most people are going to like it. You can maybe listen to this in sequences because it's longest 1 we've done a 100, an hour and 30 minutes, but we came out here for a reason. We practice what we preach, you know, we'd tell people to kind of like know who you're doing business with. And that's why we're here. We were invited and we're like, Hell yeah, man. And because there's
1:37:48  Speaker 2:  companies that are great and have integrity and have character, and there's obviously some that don't. And our goal is regardless
1:37:55  Speaker 2:  of whatever business we start from
1:37:57  Speaker 2:  now to then, just to work with companies that are integral, right? Like putting our name on anything, we want to make sure that not only are they doing what they say that they're doing, we want see what they're doing because like anybody can say they're doing this, right? And when they prove to us that they're doing this, my
1:38:15  Speaker 2:  perspective of Janoschuk has radically changed after coming here. Like they are legit.
1:38:20  Speaker 2:  Like we've met all their employees or a lot of their employees,
1:38:23  Speaker 2:  bright, bright, bright people, best in the business.
1:38:27  Speaker 2:  That's rad, man. It's just, they are without a doubt, the cream of the crop for a reason. Heard that if you didn't listen to the last podcast that we did with Peter that kind of triggered all this, It's great. He's coming back on.
1:38:41  Speaker 2:  Obviously we enjoyed him. Sounds like he seems like he likes us too, because he's going to come on the peptide of the week. Now I'm going to have him on my personal too, which is more like entrepreneurship,
1:38:52  Speaker 2:  because I like to take that into a different direction of why
1:38:56  Speaker 2:  did he do this? How did he do this? And the objective there is to light fires and other people that might want to do this. The peptide, we're going to dig into a lot of stuff that we didn't talk on the 1st 1, because you don't, you don't have an hour. You know how fast an hour goes when you're intrigued and talking to somebody that's smart and you're learning from? It goes like that. So, as we were, wrapping up yesterday,
1:39:15  Speaker 2:  we offered, he said, Absolutely.
1:39:17  Speaker 2:  We will have him back on. And I'm sure, so for you listener,
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1:44:20  Speaker 2:  So other than that, it's been long 140,
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