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0:38Speaker 1Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham across the way, mister William T. Haas. What's up dude? What's up, man?
0:47Speaker 1Big going on. You got your weekend with your fam, which is that. And then we go to Prague.
0:54Speaker 2It's fine. That'd be fun. Visit Janosik.
0:57Speaker 2And
0:58Speaker 2I think that we'll like bring them maybe a sample or something like that and
1:02Speaker 2give that to them to test as we tour through and videotape. And I'm 99%
1:08Speaker 2sure we're allowed to videotape because he told me that other people do. And then by the time our tour is done, he'll be able to have analyzed that test and-
1:16Speaker 1Yeah. Show us how it's done.
1:18Speaker 1Yeah. So we should hopefully, if anybody's listening that's in that area by chance or know somebody, are going to be hiring a videographer that's in that area so that we can,
1:27Speaker 1you know, not have our phones like, Hey, you know, somebody doing it for us. So if he does let us, but I'm sure he will, but, yeah, we can record it and couldn't put out some good content.
1:39Speaker 1Not only us, but you can kind of see how guys that have paved the way for all these other companies doing it. The guys that do it the best, 1 how they, how they work. What did he say? 40,000 square feet, something like that. Yeah. It's huge. The thing that stuck in my head, our biggest problem is opening. They get 1000 samples a day, right? So thousand boxes from people.
1:58Speaker 2If you guys ever opened like Amazon packages, or if you have a business where you get some shipments in and you imagine
2:04Speaker 2taking the box cutter and opening 1000 boxes every day. So it's like, hell, that's
2:10Speaker 2like a full time job. Yeah. You're a box cutter. Then organizing
2:15Speaker 2all that.
2:16Speaker 2That's crazy.
2:18Speaker 2Don't even want to think about it. We have to do some complex organization what we think, but like that
2:24Speaker 2is super and that's daily. Right? Those things just start compounding.
2:28Speaker 2Yeah. So if you wonder why COAs are taking a long time, that's why. In fact, like everybody is backed up with doing their COAs. We,
2:37Speaker 2I know with this 1 company BioRegen, which we've used, they're like, Nope, we're not accepting any new,
2:43Speaker 2we're not accepting any new samples. We're too backed up. I tried to introduce some friends who have a
2:49Speaker 2different company and to a different lab, and they said, yeah, great. Thanks for the introduction, but just hope your friends don't want any results fast because
2:57Speaker 2we're way behind. Yeah. So,
2:59Speaker 2yeah, it's hot right now, I guess, the analytical
3:02Speaker 2lab testing. It's popping. It's popping.
3:05Speaker 2We, cause, cause what we do, have,
3:08Speaker 2we send stuff in, you know, a lot to get tested and,
3:12Speaker 2yeah, we send it into 3 different labs constantly
3:16Speaker 2and
3:17Speaker 2we think that's a lot of work
3:20Speaker 2and it is, but poor Janice is sure.
3:24Speaker 1If you remember correctly on that podcast, and if you didn't see it, go back and watch it because it was awesome. He wasn't too worried about the endotoxins.
3:31Speaker 1He was worried about it being what you ordered. So if you order a Retatrutide and it'd be nothing. And he'd said that he had seen that more than ever, which was, you know, not a concern of anything bad except for the fact that it's not what it is, which obviously is a problem,
3:47Speaker 1but you know, so.
3:49Speaker 2I mean, shoot, like in my history, I've been ordering this stuff for 10 years probably
3:53Speaker 2from China. And I'd say about 25%
3:57Speaker 2now
3:58Speaker 2of the 1st time of like a new supplier, tried to order from, right. I'd say about 25% of the time
4:03Speaker 2it is what it is, what it says it is. And it's like the fully dosed. I mean, 75% of the time they're
4:10Speaker 2giving me either
4:11Speaker 2under dose stuff or it's, or there's like 0. I can't tell you how many tests we've sent in that said, there is no, there is none of this substance there. 4 Cool.
4:22Speaker 2Yeah. So,
4:24Speaker 1hence the be wary. Yeah, it's a problem. Again, it's not anything except for this is the way this is where it's at right now. This, this industry is evolving and it's going to continue to evolve. I think some of those people are going to be gone in the future and whatever I was telling Will this before we started recording that, my wife was talking about 1 of her friends and,
4:43Speaker 1know, she was asking if she, if her getting a Retatrutide,
4:48Speaker 1it was like $60 for 30 mg was odd. And my wife starts laughing like, that's
4:53Speaker 1odd. Yes, it's not. It's not.
4:57Speaker 1Think about like, just just thought for a 2nd and think logically. There's
5:01Speaker 1no chance mathematically
5:03Speaker 1they've tested that product. It's not mathematically possible. So therefore
5:08Speaker 1just think like that, you know, like, and then he ended up giving her a test and it was like about a year old and all that stuff. So listen,
5:16Speaker 1you're injecting it into your body.
5:18Speaker 1You can, what's your, what is your threshold of
5:22Speaker 1comfortability with that? Do you want to go super cheap and hope to God you get what you get? Or do you want to spend a couple extra bucks from a company that triple tests? Oh, and you know that you're getting it, that's on you. Like you do you, but that's what's out there and that's legit. You want to spend a little extra money and know that you're getting what it is and it's tested,
5:42Speaker 1or do you want to spend $60
5:44Speaker 1and hope it is what it is?
5:48Speaker 2So before things warm up too much, I actually wanted to start off with
5:53Speaker 2people ask us this question all the time about like mixing peptides together.
5:57Speaker 2My mother who is like 80,
6:00Speaker 2right? Has arthritis
6:02Speaker 2has always, she doesn't eat that. She just like works all the time. She drinks too much coffee and doesn't
6:08Speaker 2eat enough food and has like, has gut problems because of that, like almost like frozen gut. So she's like the last person that needs to be on a GLP-one,
6:16Speaker 2but has gut issues and also just had shoulder surgery,
6:22Speaker 2and has like early onset, like COPD from smoking cigarettes for her whole life. So I am giving her, I'm giving her
6:31Speaker 2BPC and TB 500 blend
6:33Speaker 2KPV and Thymosin Alpha. Okay. KPV for the gut Thymosin Alpha, actually for the COPD, they've done some studies on there saying that, that they've seen some significant progress And the BPC TB for her arthritis for her actually to inject directly into the shoulder,
6:50Speaker 2and to make it easy on her because she's old and Mick, honestly, like mixing the bottles is the hardest part for her because she's like kind of shaky. So
6:59Speaker 2folks, this is what I'm actually gonna do to her. And if you don't like it, that's okay, then don't do it. But, I know this this works. I do this for myself a lot. So what I have is 2 bottles of Thymosin Alpha.
7:10Speaker 2I know you can't really see them, but 2 bottles of Thymosin Alpha, 10 mg, 2 bottles of KPV, 10 mg, and a BPC plus TB 530
7:19Speaker 2mg, and 30 mg. I've already put the water in here, okay, for each of these. I put 1 mil
7:26Speaker 2of water in the BPC TB blend, and then 0.5 of a mil in each 1 of these really just to get the powder to fully mix. So then I can mix them together all in 1.
7:36Speaker 2And
7:38Speaker 2I will, I will do this and hopefully this is not going to take too long. Got to add some air 1 into the bottle. You won't know that you need to add air or it will not suck it up.
7:49Speaker 2Are usually like vacuum sealed. So
7:52Speaker 2even that wasn't enough air.
7:55Speaker 2And in this purposes, normally
7:58Speaker 2you don't want to dull the needle and you go, oh darn it. I put it in there, but I don't care because we're not injecting with this needle. So I'm adding another mil of air.
8:07Speaker 2And then I'm basically just gonna pull I'm basically just pulling out every little bit of all of these vials. Okay? So I put in kind of minimum I'm I'm the goal was to put mix everything with 3 mils total. So I want all of these mixed in 3 mils of liquid total.
8:24Speaker 2I'm going to put them in this bigger bottle. Now I'm lucky enough to have
8:28Speaker 2this extra bigger bottle, like a 5 mil bottle, you know? So, but you can, I mean, you can use a leftover,
8:36Speaker 2you
8:38Speaker 2can use a leftover
8:41Speaker 2bottle if you'd like to like a 3 mil 1?
8:44Speaker 2Cause this, it would work,
8:46Speaker 2but maybe we,
8:49Speaker 2maybe I'll do this behind the scenes as we,
8:52Speaker 2as we talk real quick,
8:54Speaker 1because I don't want this to take up all this time. Yeah. But you just showed it. That's good. So to answer your questions, if you can't mix compounds,
9:01Speaker 1there's a lot of compounds that are already mixed. So that's just stopping using logic should tell you that they're mixing them together for a reason.
9:09Speaker 2Exactly. And then basically guys, say here's here's the point is I have,
9:14Speaker 2now I have all of these, which will be like 30 mg of BPC, 30 mg TB 520
9:19Speaker 2mg of KPV, and 20 mg of thymosin alpha, right,
9:23Speaker 2mixed in 3 mils of water. So now my instructions to her is you draw 10 units
9:31Speaker 2and that will give you 1 mg of BPC, 1 mg TB, 0.66
9:36Speaker 2mg of KPV and 0.66 mg of
9:39Speaker 2TA 1 and do that daily. That's right. That's what I'm telling her to do.
9:45Speaker 2And therefore she just pulls 10 units and
9:48Speaker 2I'm going have her put it in her shoulder because
9:50Speaker 2that's what,
9:52Speaker 2because post surgery, that's the best place for it.
9:55Speaker 1Yeah. Well, as Willis said, countless times that it's not the units. People ask how many units it is the milligrams and the water towards the milligrams for what you need to inject.
10:06Speaker 1You'll, everybody catches up to that whenever they're, they catch up to that, right? You get it once you've been doing it a little while. And I think the easiest way to do it is like, do it based upon what works for you. So like me, I always try to like cut down my time and me doing it that way works. If you're somebody that is just headstrong on it, doesn't work to mix them. That's cool too. Just do that. But for anybody to say they know definitively whatever, like that's, you know, just do you, if you want to do it that way, because you think it doesn't work cool, then do it that way. But if somebody wants to do it opposite, you don't need to try to talk them into your right. I will say also when mixing these like this okay. What are the precautions here? This is for my family member, and so I'm not doing this in a clean room. Yeah. You know, if this were,
10:50Speaker 2like any bottles that are to be sold, you would expect, like a lab be doing this in a clean room under sterile
10:56Speaker 2conditions.
10:57Speaker 2But also when I'm transferring the liquid, you just kind of want to be gentle with it. I'm not just pulling it out as fast as I can and then blasting it in. These peptides actually are a bit sensitive. And,
11:09Speaker 2once I get done with this, then they go on ice
11:12Speaker 2in a Styrofoam cold box because I'm mixing them and now they got to get shipped to her and she needs to use them. I will ask her to use them within 30 days because she's doing an injection every day for 30 days.
11:25Speaker 2Cause the clock does start ticking once you mix.
11:28Speaker 2Okay.
11:30Speaker 2So that's it. I'll show you guys what the, what the finished product looks like. Well, too, after
11:36Speaker 1he's doing this for his mom, his mom's older and it's going to be a pain in the butt for her to do what he's doing. Exactly. So again, it's just simplifying
11:44Speaker 1her life.
11:46Speaker 1And secondly, if you just kind of think again, logically, it's his mother. So you're obviously going to know he's going to take care of his mother and he's not going to do anything to harm her. No, no. I, because I'm not that worried about the sterile condition neither she is. She, because we're using bacterial static water,
12:00Speaker 2right? It's got men's alkaline in it and I'm not worried. It's really just to protect the peptide and not protect you from bacterial infection.
12:10Speaker 2Yeah. But everything has been sterilized before this, so we're good. Alright, dude. You wanna read, you wanna start off on number 1? We'll start us off on number 1. Alright.
12:20Speaker 1Alright.
12:21Speaker 1What's up fellas? Wife, 31 years old, five'two,
12:25Speaker 1and I, 31 years old, six'one,
12:29Speaker 1switched to Retatrutide
12:31Speaker 12 months ago. She has lost 2 pounds feeling bleh.
12:35Speaker 1I have lost 15 pounds and feeling great. Do you guys see a lower response to Retatrutide in women versus men? That's actually a great question. Wife
12:44Speaker 1is
12:45Speaker 1so wife is 2 Migs a week,
12:49Speaker 1Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So I'm assuming that's 2 full Migs.
12:53Speaker 1You didn't read that as 6 Migs. Did you know 2 Migs a week total to me 1.5
12:58Speaker 1Migs Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Again, I'm assuming that's just total of 1.5 Migs.
13:03Speaker 1A wife wants to lose 30 to 50 pounds
13:07Speaker 1and I want to lose 20 pounds while getting rid of my man boobs.
13:12Speaker 1My wife stays active around the house and outside with the kids. Food noise is what she struggles with the most.
13:19Speaker 1Do you recommend she go back to Tirzepatide,
13:22Speaker 1Tirzepatide
13:23Speaker 1journey? She started in 4
13:26Speaker 1of 20 25, so April 2025, all the way to April 2026. So 1 full year,
13:33Speaker 1she went from 300 pounds down to 2 0 5 pounds. Wow. That is a lot of weight. Awesome.
13:39Speaker 1Yeah. And then for him, he,
13:43Speaker 1he was at 7.5
13:45Speaker 1megs weekly
13:46Speaker 1and, he went from 3 45
13:49Speaker 1down to 2 40. Wow. That is just amazing. And he was taking a 5.5 megs weekly.
13:55Speaker 1God bless you both.
13:58Speaker 1So you want me to take this or you go ahead. Just, yeah, start her off. So you lose like 80% of your, your weight. You're going to lose really quickly. So I think, you know, you're getting, you've both tasted that so sweetly. You like, you know, you lost a lot of weight and then you hit the, hit the last
14:15Speaker 110% or so that you want to get off. And that's not as easy. It's just not. So it's not necessarily there's Zepatide or the Retatrutide.
14:22Speaker 1We all know that Retatrutide is a superior product. That's been definitely proven over and over again.
14:28Speaker 1And you just started it, you know? So it's working for you. Is there a difference between men and women? Not necessarily. We're all different. Women are always going to react to things a little bit different in men.
14:40Speaker 1It's always, I think a little bit easier for men to lose weight, not always, but a lot of time.
14:46Speaker 1So just know that and
14:48Speaker 1just go slow, man. Like you guys are doing great. That's a lot of weight that you have lost. A 100 pounds plus. I mean, geez, let's focus on the wins 1st right now. I know you want to lose the rest of it, but again, that's the harder part. You know, it's kind of just melted off you at this point now for your bride, the 1st thing that jumped out at me is she's chasing the kids around. That's awesome. She's at home. The food noise is a pain in the butt. So what I would do
15:16Speaker 1just is get rid of any type of food that's going to tempt her. When I'm at home on the weekends, it's harder for me to fast because I'm at home, there's food there and I'm pretty disciplined. So like how I would do it is I would take out the food that I would want to eat. So maybe try that.
15:30Speaker 1And brother, you need to let your bride know that she got, she has to throw in some resistance training. Like that's just a given. All of us need to do that. So I know chasing the kids around, I watched my bride do it, but it's not resistance training. So what I'm thinking she's probably going on is she's not eating enough.
15:49Speaker 1That's what happens. And then it starts to be a mind F so to speak to where you're not losing enough. So you're starting to think that you need to eat less or maybe she isn't, maybe the Retatrutide is working and you don't think it's working. So like she's not eating enough. So I'm going to go on a line and think, I think that's probably her problem. She probably needs to eat more because she's absolutely stopping her metabolism.
16:12Speaker 1So I would just make sure right when she wakes up, she eats protein,
16:16Speaker 1especially you women eat enough protein,
16:19Speaker 1get in some resistance training.
16:22Speaker 1Now to your question, should you go back to his appetite?
16:26Speaker 1I don't think so. No.
16:28Speaker 1Retatrutide is just a superior product. Now, if she in her head
16:33Speaker 1can't get that out, you can, you've had success, so you can, I wouldn't recommend it?
16:38Speaker 1But you can, I mean, let's start to work on some things that she has control over Resistance training, eating enough protein,
16:46Speaker 1and really focusing on that diet?
16:49Speaker 1We can add in some Tesamorelin,
16:52Speaker 1so that will help on some of that belly fat on the bottom.
16:55Speaker 1And we can also start to throw in some other products that
16:58Speaker 1will start to, you know, give her some more energy and whatnot, which is going to be NAD, which most people should be taking NAD.
17:05Speaker 1I read to that Tesamorelin and most
17:08Speaker 1people that had lost a lot of weight, you're going to have some gut problems. It's just the way it is. So let's throw in some KPV into that too.
17:16Speaker 1Even if you don't think you have some gut problems, you probably do. Most of us do. It's just the way it is. So that's what I would recommend. I would stay on the Retta, just be patient,
17:25Speaker 1add in resistance training, eat enough protein and add in some Tesamorelin and some KPV and NAD. I think you'll be golden.
17:32Speaker 2Yeah. So I 2nd everything that you just said, but yes,
17:36Speaker 2I would say that,
17:38Speaker 2okay, look at every other supplement and men's and
17:42Speaker 2forget supplement, just exercise. Like how do men's bodies respond to things versus women? Right. Like, I'm sorry ladies, but like men, we just have such an easier time gaining
17:51Speaker 2muscle and losing weight, right? Like we can just, it just happens really fast and easy for us. So right. Like you women are supposed to have like 10% higher body fat percentage because you need to have babies. So,
18:03Speaker 2so yeah. Yes,
18:06Speaker 2this thing's usually worked better for men, but also,
18:09Speaker 2I mean, she's lost a 100 pounds. Right? Right. Lost a ton of weight. Okay. Yeah.
18:15Speaker 2I don't know. In a year. So she's like, dude, that's really, and that's pretty damn fast. That's a lot. The wife lost 2 pounds and she's feeling blah. Well, I mean, she's already lost a ton of weight. Like her metabolism now is way slower probably because she hasn't been eating any food at all. Right? She's burned off a lot of muscle guaranteed in that 100 pounds. It wasn't all fat. So her metabolism is now re is really slow and this is just like a post weight loss plateau.
18:42Speaker 2It just happens.
18:43Speaker 2She can't keep up with this rate of weight loss or she'll just freeze or starve to death and be dwindled away to nothing.
18:52Speaker 2So I
18:54Speaker 2would just stay the course. You also had her on taking 7.5 mgs of tirzepatide and now she's taken 6
19:02Speaker 2mgs of Retta,
19:03Speaker 2I believe. 2 mg 3 times a week.
19:07Speaker 1Mg. 1,
19:08Speaker 22 mg total. So that makes sense. Was it 6 mg total? Yeah, that would make sense. That's how I would read it. And I think,
19:15Speaker 2which is a lot, but it's still about equal to the Tirzepatide.
19:19Speaker 2I mean, you're taking a 6 mg of Retta and you were taking 7.5 mg of Tirz. So
19:26Speaker 2I wouldn't expect you to have the same, like, feeling as tirzepatide. A, because it cuts out all the nausea, so that food noise, the people's that food noise,
19:35Speaker 2right, usually
19:37Speaker 2is we don't feel that because of tirzepatide because it actually makes you a little nauseous. You don't really know that you're not throw up nauseous, but you're kind of queasy enough to just not be hungry and not want to eat. That's gone from the Reta because it takes all of the nausea away. So use a little bit of no skills for now. You could bump it up to 7 megs, 7.5. Like that's okay. I wouldn't, you know, max, I'd say 10 megs of Reta, but I wouldn't, I would try not to do that. You know, I would try to institute some everything that JD said
20:06Speaker 21st before we increase the dose.
20:09Speaker 2Yeah, these little no skills, maybe add Cagrilintide in there. If we're worried about, if we're worried about just that food noise, that's a good 1 to just add in, but,
20:20Speaker 2that's completely normal. She's kicked ass and just like it is what it is. She needs to start adding some muscle. Yeah.
20:25Speaker 2Done. We'll do it. Add muscle, eat protein, lifting weights
20:28Speaker 2and stay the course and maintain her. You know, we want, there needs to be some degree of saying no discipline,
20:36Speaker 2discipline,
20:37Speaker 2right.
20:39Speaker 2And now's the time, right? She spent, spending time with, with a good crutch and still on a crutch and that's okay. That's totally okay. But
20:46Speaker 2they're taking a little bit of the crutch off. 0 Yeah. So again, like
20:51Speaker 1it needs to be redundant. It just says like the goal is not to inject something forever. It's just not the goal. The goal is to set the base and get better at the eating part. If you struggle with the food noise,
21:02Speaker 1work on it. We all struggle. Like we all deal with that struggle at night. I'm the munchies at night. Like,
21:08Speaker 1if I want to be ripped, I can't eat the munchies at night, even though I see my kids all gnawing on some ice cream and stuff. I'm like, dude, that looks good, Like, I gotta tell myself no. And like,
21:18Speaker 1when you start saying no to yourself, you really want it badly, that's called empowerment. And like when you taste what empowerment feels like, it's actually better than ice cream because you're like, dude, you just it lifts you up. So I know that takes a little while to do, but like that's the goal to lay the base
21:33Speaker 1to where you are completely changed woman and we're not injecting something forever to lose the weight. So that's the goal. Yep. Right.
21:41Speaker 2Now my
21:43Speaker 2little update. So this, I have not crimped the top on, but this is me putting it into a 4 mil bottle,
21:48Speaker 2right? All now mom just has to go in and pull 10 units out and give it to her all at once. Now, if you guys have never seen this happen before,
21:56Speaker 2most people probably don't have this laying around at home. This
22:00Speaker 2is basically the only way that you can actually crimp this bottle top on, but it is as simple as this.
22:08Speaker 2Squeeze it together. I kind of like rotate it, make sure it's all tightened on there.
22:14Speaker 2Make sure it's not loose. And now you have a perfect vial. Blended peptide.
22:19Speaker 2Blended peptide at home.
22:21Speaker 2Doable. Now we need to just put this on ice.
22:25Speaker 2Not ice. We're not trying to freeze it, but I just want to keep it cool. 1 TA 1 KPV and Wolverine.
22:32Speaker 1Love it. That was a great stack right there. Okay.
22:36Speaker 2Good. Now I guess I'm kind of lost on which question which question in my Man, I appreciate you both.
22:41Speaker 2K. Me find That was question 7 somehow that I missed.
22:46Speaker 2The 1 that you read was okay. Here we go. Amen.
22:49Speaker 2Appreciate you both and never miss this show. I'd
22:52Speaker 2love to hear your thoughts on long term peptide storage. K? I typically buy bulk
22:58Speaker 2and have stuff on deck that won't be used for about 6 months. For the peptides that aren't currently in rotation and won't be used for a while. I've heard that freezing and non reconstituted
23:08Speaker 2peptides helps with preservation of shelf life better than simply refrigerating them. Can you please let me know your thoughts and what you guys would do in this situation? Thanks.
23:17Speaker 2Alright.
23:18Speaker 2Yes, I I have an opinion on this. So honestly,
23:21Speaker 2the
23:23Speaker 2you freeze them,
23:25Speaker 2that might preserve them a little bit better if we're talking like 2 years,
23:29Speaker 2right, or longer, that might make a difference. But if you're talking 6 months to a year refrigerating,
23:37Speaker 2they're not going to be preserved.
23:38Speaker 2Like, I don't know, measurably better at all by freezing them.
23:43Speaker 2But when you freeze something
23:45Speaker 2and, and thaw it,
23:47Speaker 2you definitely run the risk of having moisture in there. Okay. And that is your worst enemy. That's like the fastest way to degrade your peptide is get, is have moisture get in there. So I think that you are running a higher risk by freezing them than you would be just keeping them in the refrigerator. Yeah. And keep them in the like crisper drawer,
24:07Speaker 2which is less humid.
24:10Speaker 2I think so. Yes. Less humid.
24:13Speaker 2In the crisper drawer,
24:14Speaker 2dude, 6 months, you're just fine. I'd keep in the fridge and it's totally fine.
24:19Speaker 1And you want to do it for tears. I'm just curious why.
24:22Speaker 2Yeah, right. Like you don't need to stock up that much for tears.
24:25Speaker 1So yeah. I mean, again, and you definitely don't want to freeze them and then thaw them, freeze them and thaw them. We've heard about people doing that. That's bad. You're definitely going to get some
24:35Speaker 1something in there. So
24:37Speaker 1hope that helps my turn, right? Yep.
24:39Speaker 1Hey
24:40Speaker 1guys. I have a quick question.
24:43Speaker 1Firstly, absolutely love the podcast. Big fan. I'm 24 year old female from Australia.
24:49Speaker 1In the have
24:50Speaker 1a 3 year old daughter trained weights 3 to 4 times training weights 3 to 4 times a week, Pilates,
24:56Speaker 1the other 4, 3 to 4 times.
24:59Speaker 1I weigh roughly 48 to 52 kg.
25:04Speaker 1I try not to weigh myself too often. Anyways, my main focus and struggle is energy. I always, I'm always tired and fatigued no matter what I do or how much I sleep. And I struggle with mood, stress, anxiety,
25:16Speaker 1high cortisol, and always been anxious and quick to snap.
25:22Speaker 1She's honest.
25:23Speaker 1I've done quite a few different peps, but wanting to know what is the absolute best stack.
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25:59Speaker 1For me and what Peps would be the waste of time for people my age?
26:04Speaker 1She's 24.
26:06Speaker 21 So, I mean, I do think that
26:10Speaker 2think the credagogs
26:12Speaker 2is kind of a waste.
26:15Speaker 2Although especially for men, but for women, they do
26:18Speaker 2They do because your growth hormone levels aren't aren't aren't as high as men. And so this can,
26:24Speaker 2raise them a bit higher and allow you to add muscle better than a man because your body's just so sensitive.
26:31Speaker 2But I would say that's a waste. Would add 30 years old. I mean,
26:36Speaker 2goodness, I'd probably say like 24 or 24 shoot. Yeah.
26:41Speaker 2I don't know. I would do like SLU-three 32. It's just kind of a fight. It'll help your performance
26:45Speaker 2and nutrient
26:46Speaker 2partitioning and preserving muscle. Yep.
26:49Speaker 2Reta, maybe low, low, low dose,
26:51Speaker 2to take away your hangry,
26:53Speaker 2snapping
26:54Speaker 2people.
26:55Speaker 2And
26:57Speaker 2dives you don't eat it. Really, what does work, man? It works. It keeps your brain just fresh and running really well even in the absence of food. But seem Selank,
27:06Speaker 2you said you struggle with anxiety.
27:08Speaker 2Selank's
27:09Speaker 2a really good peptide for that.
27:12Speaker 2Mixed with Cmax, which gives you energy, but like not really anxiety energy, but most more like focus energy.
27:18Speaker 2I don't know.
27:20Speaker 1Yeah. What else? I think, I mean, even though you're 24,
27:25Speaker 1I would suggest getting blood work done, right? Let's start there and just like, make sure your hormones are good. I know that that's super young, but in this age, I wouldn't be surprised if they're a little at a walk, you know, a little wonky. So start there. It's not going to be a bad thing. Right?
27:38Speaker 1And I wouldn't think it's kind of the same as the gal above, which is you're probably not eating enough. My bride works out hard. She does. And I tell her all the time, baby, you eat more. You know, and it's not about skinny. It's about, you need to have the nutrients to do what you're doing. If you're tired, you probably don't have nutrients, enough nutrients in you. And that's probably your problem. So I'd wake up and have protein, you know, get 50, 50 g of protein, right? When you wake up, Greek yogurt, protein,
28:03Speaker 1like 2 scoops of protein, boom, done. You got like 60 grams of protein right there. Done. It's so easy. You know? So that's what I would do blood work in that.
28:13Speaker 1I bet you that's going to fix a lot of it. Now, peptide wise, we already nailed it. Selank, Cmax, those are going to be good for anxiety and focus. I'll throw some NAD in there because NAD is amazing.
28:25Speaker 1And that's going to give you some cellular energy
28:27Speaker 1and you know, you probably know me by now enough to know that I'm all about meditation
28:31Speaker 1and focusing like that, you know, and just really kind of getting back to some of that stuff. Like a good practice that I try to do, at least I'm good in the morning is not looking at my phone right away. That's going to keep your cortisone at least a little bit down,
28:45Speaker 1walking outside on the grass with your shoes off, some just old school stuff,
28:49Speaker 1because you want to really fix that cortisol. Cortisone is a bitch, you know? And if you're running high on cortisol, you're screwed. It's just, you're screwed. So we need to get, make sure that you, you, work on that.
29:00Speaker 1A lot of people have read some stuff on cortisol. We don't have copy for the 1st hour of,
29:05Speaker 1of you waking up. I don't know. I just read it. I don't know if it's true or not. Maybe look into that a little bit, but, yeah, meditation.
29:12Speaker 2I think that'll work. Don't take Red. I just realized you're like kilograms, right? So you say you're fluctuating like about 90 pounds,
29:21Speaker 29 pounds. So when I said Red before,
29:23Speaker 2I wouldn't
29:25Speaker 2Don't,
29:26Speaker 2you don't need to lose weight. But yeah, right. You, I'm sure you agree. I bet she's not eating enough. Yeah, I bet, I bet she's not eating I
29:31Speaker 1think that you eat more food, you got those new, you know, those nutrients in you. Women struggle with this so much more, you know? And I feel sorry for you ladies, because it's the truth. Think you need to do cardio and you think that's the weight of the gold mine, but it's not, it's resistance training and it's eating. You need to eat more protein, like a gram of protein per your body weight. Now it doesn't have to be exact,
29:52Speaker 1but why don't you try that for a month? Just
29:55Speaker 1try that. Just add 1 g of protein, eat more. I bet you have fixes most of those problems. You're 24. Yep. Try that.
30:04Speaker 2Who's that? Okay.
30:06Speaker 2I am.
30:07Speaker 2Is this JD and big Will? Yeah. JD and Big Will, what's up? My brothers.
30:12Speaker 232 years old,
30:14Speaker 2pizza man from New York. Yeah. 185
30:17Speaker 2pounds down from 2 15. Good job. Testosterone was at 3 15, but now at 5 75 and going up.
30:24Speaker 2When I discovered peptides, I want you guys to know how amazing it was to have your podcasts in school community and keep me informed and allow me to take, take the right steps
30:33Speaker 2and taking peptides. I started taking a 1 mg of Retta 3 times a week. It's a 10 units,
30:39Speaker 2Tesamorelin
30:41Speaker 225
30:42Speaker 2Ipah 5,
30:45Speaker 2units
30:47Speaker 2maybe units. Anyway,
30:49Speaker 2with 3 mils of backwater
30:51Speaker 25 times a week and 10 units of Clo mixed with 2 mils of backwater 5 times a week. So for my question, I signed up for the premium membership and will be starting the muscle optimization stack right on.
31:04Speaker 2So I was wondering if I can still run Reta at a low dose while
31:08Speaker 2doing this, or can I switch from Retta to Tesofensine,
31:11Speaker 2500 micrograms,
31:13Speaker 2and
31:15Speaker 2we'll be adding SLU-fifty
31:17Speaker 2mg tablets to would that be too much?
31:22Speaker 2Okay.
31:24Speaker 2If you I mean, honestly,
31:26Speaker 2like,
31:28Speaker 2the Retta, if you can do it at a small dose where it's not taking your appetite away, like, I know I mean, this you can eat. You can eat and add perfect lean muscle. You can eat enough to add muscle. You need to be at a surplus of calories and make it because of protein only.
31:44Speaker 2You,
31:46Speaker 2you can do it with Retta. Now I would say like if somebody's looking for like a giant bulk,
31:51Speaker 2no. We, I don't, I wouldn't do Retta because it's gonna slow down your gastric emptying to make it to do a giant bulk. You need to eat and eat, eat, eat, have big meals, stretch your stomach out so your body can just take in more and more nutrients. Right? That will be a problem on Retta. But if we're trying to add just like really good, perfect, just lean muscle,
32:10Speaker 2it's,
32:11Speaker 2it's doable
32:12Speaker 2with Retta, not a high dose. I wouldn't take any more than you are right now, but
32:17Speaker 2it's absolutely doable. Up to you though. You gotta be better be eating enough protein. Yep. Eat protein. Shoot.
32:23Speaker 2Do that muscle optimization stack and set your goal for 2 g per pound of body weight. You're
32:28Speaker 2You're a man so that you can have more,
32:31Speaker 2set your goal for that. It's gonna be really hard to do, but, and you'll need to have some protein shakes. But,
32:38Speaker 2if you get close to that, you'll be sitting pretty. And again, why don't we look out and look out for your nails? Right? If you're 1 way to judge you eating enough protein is if your nails are growing way too fast and your hair is growing too fast, you know that your body is growing new tissue. So you lifting weights and making your muscle sore, that's your telling body, Hey, grow, grow tissue right there.
32:59Speaker 2So yeah,
33:00Speaker 1what you got? At the late great rich Bian, I would say, if you want to get big, you gotta eat big. Love when you used to say that, but that's the truth. True bulk
33:08Speaker 1means let's say you have a ripped stomach. You shouldn't really have a ripped stomach, but like, cause you're eating a lot, if that's truly what you're trying to do. So you just need to eat and then eat and then eat. And that's just the way it is.
33:19Speaker 1Retta will block that. So there's easier ways to do it. If again, you want to like be
33:26Speaker 1ripped and bigger,
33:28Speaker 1which I like to do, then you can do the Retta because there's a lot of bodybuilders that are taking Retta because it will, you'll eat a little bit less. So it really depends on what your true objective is. You said bulk, so we'll go off that.
33:38Speaker 1I would take the Retta out just to make it easier on you. I mean, shoot dude, you could take the red out and put it in some MK-six, 7, 7. Will be hungry like a beast. Like
33:48Speaker 1I, for some reason, wasn't never struggled with it until the last times I ran it. I was like, dude, I cannot stop eating. You know what mean? Like, I don't like to be super big. Like to be more lean and cut. So it really, really boils down to your true objectives, which you can look bigger and cut and lean. Retta, you can put in or take out the Retta, use AOD,
34:06Speaker 1a use 5 Amino-1MQ,
34:08Speaker 1SLU-PP-three 32. There's other ones that will do well, not like Retta,
34:13Speaker 1but still help you with that cutting stuff.
34:16Speaker 1So again, the MK-six 77, that 1 is great. I love it. Oh, he said he's going to do the stacks. You're
34:23Speaker 1going to be doing the stacks. You're going to be, you're going to need to eat, you need to eat and you need to like just replenish those muscles and you need to live heavy dude. Lift heavy, lift heavy, eat a lot. Take out the red protein
34:34Speaker 2protein. Like here's my, my best. That
34:37Speaker 2would be rough. Yeah. That's gonna be rough. But like here's your,
34:40Speaker 2you should have your 3 basic meals, right? Get yourself, if you're a man, a grown man trying to grow, sure. Eat 50, 50 g of protein for your, and have it breakfast, lunch, dinner. Okay. And then the goal would be adding in 2 or 3 more supplementation
34:55Speaker 2proteins. Okay.
34:56Speaker 2Call them protein shakes. That's great. But like post workout a 100% do that, do that, do that. Right? As soon as you start tearing muscle down, right? Clock is ticking and
35:05Speaker 2muscles are trying to absorb building materials. And if you don't feed them building materials, they just start eating themselves.
35:12Speaker 2And that's counterproductive what you're trying to do. So post workout and there is a clock from that time that you start working out, they do say like 45 minutes, right? And that's not from the end of workout. That's from when we 1st like tear the 1st muscle.
35:25Speaker 2But there's kind of an optimal growth window after that, maybe 4 or 5 hours. But so post, so shake post workout and then right before bed, for sure. We grow the majority of our muscle at night while sleeping
35:39Speaker 2and you better feed your body building materials.
35:43Speaker 1Yeah. And you want to do less carbs at night. And if you're going to use carbs the right way, which most people do,
35:49Speaker 1is right before workout, right after,
35:51Speaker 1and, you will replenish your glycogen and that is the way that you want to do it, but not at night because
35:57Speaker 2you don't want to Carbs at night because like, what's the point? Like your carbs turn turn into sugar
36:02Speaker 2and that then is ready for your body to burn it off for,
36:06Speaker 2know, doing activities. So if you eat carbs at nighttime, guess what they're going to take, if it's food, they'll probably take, you know, 2 hours or so to break down, finally turn into sugar when you're asleep and you ain't burning that off. And so now it's going to just store on you and be like, well, if we're not going to use it now, let's just store this, let's convert to fat and let's store on him later for later use. And that's exactly the opposite. You don't, what you want for bulking too. Eat some carbs before
36:33Speaker 2eat some like quick carbs,
36:35Speaker 2like intra carbs before or intra workout. Now be aware folks, if you're trying to burn fat,
36:41Speaker 2if you have carbs on board, your
36:44Speaker 2body will burn the carbs 1st. It will not touch your fat. It will burn those 1st. That's its fastest, easiest, preferred energy choice.
36:53Speaker 2And so you won't burn fat
36:54Speaker 2if you have, but you have an awesome workout. Like,
36:57Speaker 1like your muscles veins popping. You know, it just depends. It all depends really truly.
37:03Speaker 1Is a science to it without a doubt. I'm a guy that's always in a carnivore and like, you know, in the last 6 months I've toyed around with adding in some more carbs and man, I've got some insane pumps.
37:14Speaker 1But my objective now is I've just dropped the carbs again because I like to be super lean. You drop carbs, you're going to be a lot more lean. If you want to get bigger,
37:22Speaker 1you need adding carbs 100%. That's way it is. Yep.
37:26Speaker 1Use properly and eaten at the right times is
37:29Speaker 2needed. Huge. Very.
37:32Speaker 2Huge. You can have 1 person who eats the same amount of carbs and another person and the timing is completely different. 100%. They're not producing completely
37:38Speaker 2different per person.
37:40Speaker 1Are we in the next page? Yeah, that's a short question. Short. Okay, cool. Is there a
37:46Speaker 1downside to injecting in the stomach every time instead of rotating sites? Does absorption
37:51Speaker 1change based on the injection location?
37:54Speaker 1Does that depend on which peptide you're using?
37:57Speaker 2Well,
38:00Speaker 21st of all, please rotate
38:01Speaker 2sites as in
38:03Speaker 2like, I don't know, your belly. Like, don't be aiming for the same hole that you did last time, right? Exact same hole, right? Like there's plenty of rotation needed. The goal is to go about 2 inches anywhere from your belly button. Right? Yeah. Circle 2 inches around. That's where that's the goal.
38:20Speaker 2The only thing and so, no, there's not gonna be,
38:24Speaker 2it's not any absorption benefit from doing there. Now let's do it in a different sub Q area that will work just fine unless you have scar tissue that you've created in there,
38:32Speaker 2which it will eventually. Like, don't just do the same right side over and over and over again. Will. Especially if you've reused the needle. Like I have, like, early in my I mean, I used to, like, use the same insulin needle for 5 days in a row. End of the 3 years. Right. Like, and so that definitely caused scar tissue. And so
38:49Speaker 2you'll know if it's kind of hard to push in. Yeah. It's like, it's because and it's just not gonna absorb. It'll probably screw it out too, so it's just not soaking in. There is a difference between,
38:59Speaker 2know, people will get more of that flush
39:01Speaker 2if you, well, inject fast and also really lean people. If you don't have any fat and you pull it out and you go truly into your sub q layer, that's gonna hit you a lot faster
39:11Speaker 2than somebody who's putting it into the fat. But I
39:15Speaker 2don't see, there's no benefit of just switching away from your stomach, unless
39:20Speaker 2it's like 1 of these healing peptides, right? And you want it to absolutely heal
39:25Speaker 2a specific part, then inject it right there.
39:28Speaker 2Intramuscular too. That's fine.
39:30Speaker 2Intra tendon.
39:31Speaker 2Hell, I've done that. Use a new needle on that 1. Kind
39:36Speaker 2of feels really weird putting it right into the tendon. Don't hit a vein. Don't do that. Yep. Yeah. I would definitely switch around,
39:43Speaker 1especially,
39:44Speaker 1you know, take a left turn here,
39:46Speaker 1oils with TRT.
39:48Speaker 1Listen, if you, you need to start moving that sucker around and you don't want to go fast
39:53Speaker 1because you need to give it some time to get in and soak through your body to you get 1 of those pips, you know, like it's good, squirt
39:59Speaker 1it in, you get a big ball. You need to go slow.
40:02Speaker 2So I didn't know that always, so I'm passing on to you. And so you don't get a lot of pip and have to figure it out. You do that stuff, like, right before you go move around. Right? Last thing you wanna do is inject something then just lay there. Yeah. And just let it just shower. Rub it out. Right? I rub it out or, like, wow. Finger in your knuckle in there, rub it out, and then go go
40:22Speaker 1run around. I You do is I have 1 of those little massagers now, because like I would get, I would just prone to PIP. I've just been injecting, you know, TRT for long time. I go, it
40:33Speaker 1works well, man. I haven't had it since. It's been working. Should probably do that beforehand too. Yeah. Just get ready. Yeah. But like the injection, like speed is important. Yeah, is. It is extremely.
40:42Speaker 2I actually, in fact, I will do some medicines in my skin. I'll, I'll put the thing in, I'll inject it all. And then I'll usually like pull it halfway out and sit and let the skin close-up behind it
40:55Speaker 2and then pull it out completely. Smart triggers the tray, man. And
40:59Speaker 2heat up the oil. That too. I've never been a problem. I never had problems with PIPs though. Mean, I've had it from like,
41:05Speaker 2but from like, obviously, where somebody's I've done like test E-five hundred. Oh. Right? Like It's brutal. Brutal. There is a reason that
41:13Speaker 2they make all of these different esters and compounds and esters at
41:17Speaker 2specific dosages,
41:18Speaker 2right? Like you're not meant to have a super high dose
41:23Speaker 2single ester because it hurts like hell. So they we figured it out like what the right dosages are. So don't,
41:30Speaker 1yeah, that's good to like even talk about because we've about it so much, but like it's important. Like there's a reason why testes like 300 and test zip is 200. You can see 2 50. It should really be properly dosed around 200. We think, you know, like test P is, 100. 100. Yeah. Maybe 150, but 100. So there's a reason these are Yep. Because Absolutely. That's There's a 100% reason for the reason that you're telling you don't make test e 500 or don't make it. Usually, it's like if they if they're just dosed way too dense,
41:58Speaker 2the muscles just will doesn't don't like it. Oh, it's gonna hurt.
42:02Speaker 2Yep. For sure. Alright. You got it. I am hopefully, I'm on the right question. So hi. I'm 30 year old female. No. Hi, guys. Love the podcast. I'm 38 year old former army. Oh, no. Did we read that? No. No. We did good. I'm on the right spot. The next 1.
42:15Speaker 2So if that was you, we're not skipping you. Hi,
42:18Speaker 2I'm a 30 year old female,
42:20Speaker 2164
42:21Speaker 2cm and 64 kg. What's up with all the damn kilograms?
42:25Speaker 2I don't do math and pounds.
42:27Speaker 2Really? I've been using Tirzepatide
42:29Speaker 21 year currently on 5 mg a week. My starting weight was 87 kg. I lift weights or do cardio 6 times a week and eat healthy, gain weight and muscle easy. And I have visible
42:41Speaker 2muscle mass on my body. However, I'm looking to lose the last stubborn 5 kg as I've been stuck at 64 kg for several months. I also have a bit of loose skin on my belly and above my knees, and that bothers me and might be the reason why despite my age,
42:58Speaker 2my weight loss, I don't feel like I see any changes on my body. I've added now Retta 1 mg per week and I can see that my body pooch has reduced. I'm thinking to increase Retta and finally dropped her appetite, but I need to help optimize my stack in terms of helping me stay lean and lose the last 5 kg and help me with my skin.
43:16Speaker 1You don't have that question. Yeah, I found it. Okay. That was just a, I'm just having
43:19Speaker 1a brain fart.
43:23Speaker 2So,
43:24Speaker 2okay. For, for you person,
43:26Speaker 2I would CLO.
43:28Speaker 2So I guess I'm gonna 1st address the skin
43:31Speaker 2issue. I don't under I don't really I don't can't really picture the loose
43:35Speaker 2skin on my knees, but whatever. It happens, I guess. But Khloe. So Khloe will give you GHK-3C,
43:42Speaker 2BPC, TB, and KPV.
43:44Speaker 2In fact, all of those will help to tighten your skin and, like you BPC and TB, right, creating new new blood vessels in your in even in your dermis layers that's gonna help it get more blood and heal and tighten up and grow back faster. But the GHK-3two is going to promote collagen,
44:02Speaker 2absorption and creation
44:04Speaker 2and will help tighten everything up. Would also use
44:07Speaker 2a GHK-3two
44:08Speaker 2SNAP-8s serum
44:10Speaker 2and use
44:12Speaker 2that and topically
44:14Speaker 2put it on any type of any loose skin or, or skin issues of any kind.
44:19Speaker 2Especially like even hell, even like
44:22Speaker 2the chest,
44:24Speaker 2chest wrinkles, right, from people sleeping like this, that's a great thing that we're looking at making some type of chest
44:32Speaker 2gel patch, right, with GHKCU
44:35Speaker 2in it. So I think your 1 megaretta
44:38Speaker 2is very low.
44:39Speaker 2I would get off the tirzepatide like we've said before and you'll
44:44Speaker 2get it. 1 meg is low. The starting dose is 2.5 mg
44:48Speaker 2weekly.
44:49Speaker 2And so you can kind of, you can see how that goes, but you'll should be able to lose this 5 kg very easily.
44:55Speaker 1Yeah. So 87
44:57Speaker 1kg to 64
44:59Speaker 1kg. We work in pounds.
45:02Speaker 1It's about 50 pounds. You're saying it was a lot. You've lost a lot. So, you know, I think that you should pat yourself on the back. And again,
45:09Speaker 1you know, the 1st weight is always easier, easiest to lose, you know, the 1st 8% give or take goes quickly for most, obviously not all of them for most. And then they go boom.
45:19Speaker 1Yep. And then they're like, why it's not working? And I think just how
45:23Speaker 1we are all programmed is I want to take more.
45:26Speaker 1And sometimes it's good to stop,
45:30Speaker 1think logically, think about what we always talk about here's your base.
45:34Speaker 1Are you eating enough? Probably not. Right? More protein, right? When you wake up ladies,
45:39Speaker 1again, 50 grams of protein, easy peasy, Greek yogurt, 2 scoops of protein done. You start your day off, right? So make sure you're adding that in, eat a lot and
45:49Speaker 1yeah,
45:50Speaker 1lift weights. Get the base again, be patient. You're doing, you're kicking ass. Like, you know, like I think Reddit has taken on this, like, you know, this it's great. It's scientific
46:01Speaker 1breakthrough, but at the same time, like
46:04Speaker 1it's not gonna move mountains. We need to have some patience and like, you don't wanna lose all the weight so fast. Anyway, it's, there's could be some health stuff with that. So you're doing good. You can add in some Tesamorelin for that little pooch down here. And like he's the Will said, GHK-two
46:19Speaker 1And then the GHK-two need
46:23Speaker 21
46:26Speaker 1to eat more, need to eat more pretain and lift some weights, bro. I would add Tesamorelin
46:30Speaker 1in, in
46:32Speaker 2Tesla, Ipamorelin, like, but in realize it's not a quick, quick fix, you know,
46:36Speaker 23 months,
46:37Speaker 23 months, but it's really going to target that belly fat and keep muscle on you and put muscle, keep muscle, which boosts your metabolism,
46:45Speaker 2etcetera.
46:46Speaker 1Well, she says I lift weights or do cardio 6 times a week. So I would So would weights? Yeah. I would lift weights and maybe cardio twice,
46:53Speaker 2maybe 3 times a week. Or at the end of it, like, here's a trick folks. It's like cardio. So
46:58Speaker 2if you're sprinting, we're playing basketball and your heart rate's, like, over above above, like, 80% of your max heart rate,
47:04Speaker 2that's true cardio,
47:06Speaker 2hence cardiovascular
47:08Speaker 2building. That is actually helps your heart. K? It's only the thing that's only way that it's gonna help your heart. Like, a slow jog or a fast walk
47:15Speaker 2is optimal like fat burning, but it's actually not doing anything to help this heart muscle. Yeah. Right?
47:22Speaker 2So
47:23Speaker 2a suggestion is do 10 or something on a stair stepper. Right? Get your sweat going and get your heart rate elevated,
47:30Speaker 2and then hit the weight room and keep that heart rate elevated in the cardiovascular zone. Right? Go for 40 minutes or so, and then finish with 10 minutes. And now you have killed your cardio and weights all in 1. Good
47:46Speaker 1stuff. Yeah.
47:47Speaker 1Recently,
47:50Speaker 1I recently joined listener.
47:53Speaker 1I have ran through every episode and can officially say I'm a peptide addict now. Awesome. That's right. Appreciate everything you guys stand for and represent.
48:02Speaker 1As a 34 year old male who has been running tirzepatide at 2.25
48:07Speaker 1mg weekly
48:08Speaker 1for 10 weeks, lost 12 pounds. That's awesome. At low dose. I have absolutely loved the results and I'm going to be transitioning to Reta at the end of the life cycle to continue the cut. My
48:20Speaker 1main question is getting a peptide protocol for gaining muscle on a bulk this winter.
48:26Speaker 1My hormones are optimal for my age.
48:29Speaker 1TRT free and growth hormone are basically all in line. I love it. Above average and I feel great. Awesome. That's huge. There you are. But,
48:38Speaker 1that being said, I want to gain about 5 to 8 pounds over the winter and keep it mainly muscle without anabolics.
48:45Speaker 1Awesome.
48:46Speaker 1Would you continue Reta on a bulk and what else would I add in addition to keep a lean bulk? Thanks, guys.
48:55Speaker 1Let me take that 1.
48:56Speaker 2Muscle optimization stack.
48:58Speaker 2Yeah. I mean,
49:00Speaker 1perfect. Yeah. So,
49:03Speaker 1that's awesome. You obviously think through this. I mean, let's get to the basics of some obvious creatine.
49:08Speaker 1You want to add in some creatine for a bulk, you know, again, we've said this in your sign peptides aren't where they're going to be anywhere near gear. So IGF-1LR3,
49:18Speaker 1you know, we're going to hear that now. I've done it both before and after. I can't say I've nearly noticed much. Like to take it right after I lift.
49:26Speaker 1I come back. I take a creatine HCL in the morning. And then after I lift, I'd come home and come home. I come back to the office here and take some creatine monohydrate,
49:35Speaker 1drink it. And then I take IGF-1LR-three.
49:38Speaker 1And I think that's, that's great. It works well for me. Now, again, your bulk gotta eat,
49:43Speaker 1gotta eat. What was going to probably say 2 pounds, 2 g of protein per.
49:48Speaker 1It's not easy.
49:49Speaker 1You ain't going to do it without.
49:51Speaker 2If you're my size, that means you're eating 500 grams of protein.
49:55Speaker 2But
49:56Speaker 2That's a
49:59Speaker 2you set that goal and yeah. I mean, again, whatever,
50:03Speaker 1But moon starts. HGH,
50:05Speaker 1if you're, you said that you're, you're good in regards to the growth hormone, you're 34 or so, but you can HGH
50:11Speaker 1and IGF-one,
50:12Speaker 1there's people that have been, you can take them both. Yeah, you can, not in perpetuity, but IGF-one will be closest thing you're going to get towards gear,
50:20Speaker 1on peptides
50:21Speaker 1now.
50:22Speaker 1And you want to, if you're going to be eating, you want to, you can add in the, like we said, last time, MK-677,
50:27Speaker 1that will help you eat and it will gain you some size and just you'll look, it gets fullness to your muscles for sure.
50:35Speaker 1It's in my opinion, the best thing that you're going to get right before gear,
50:41Speaker 1before gear. And it's because you eat a lot and your muscles just look full. So I would definitely try that. I like it. I think it's great. AOD-5Amino-
50:48Speaker 1SLU-PP-three
50:49Speaker 132.
50:50Speaker 1And the reason I say that is if
50:52Speaker 1you eat, you lift heavy
50:54Speaker 1and,
50:55Speaker 1you know, you take some of these other ones to take out some Retta, you'll get low
51:00Speaker 0energy, unfocused,
51:02Speaker 0foggy.
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51:26Speaker 0Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. Bulk and ripped.
51:31Speaker 1It's 1 thing to be bulked, but if you don't have that stomach,
51:35Speaker 1are you ripped? I don't think so. Because that's, that's, that's the key with
51:39Speaker 1eating a lot and
51:42Speaker 2there's a science to it like we were talking about. So you're on your way, man. Hope that helped. Yep. Yes, I agree with everything like, look, dude, you cool. If you don't want to do antibiotics, right on good to you. But you will not get, if you want an antibiotic results,
51:56Speaker 2you will not get them with peptides.
51:58Speaker 2Need
51:59Speaker 2anabolic. So,
52:01Speaker 2but good for you. MK-677
52:03Speaker 2is
52:04Speaker 2the next best closest thing. It's not a peptide, right? It is, I guess it's not a SARM either, but like people
52:11Speaker 2generally classify it as as yeah. As both.
52:15Speaker 2It is the same thing as ipamorelin,
52:17Speaker 2by the way, except for it's just a lot stronger than ipamorelin.
52:22Speaker 2And everything he said is I I would, I 2nd. So I'm not gonna re explain his explanations.
52:28Speaker 2But as the gentleman said in the last 1, on our school,
52:32Speaker 2there is a,
52:35Speaker 2muscle optimization
52:36Speaker 2stack.
52:37Speaker 2K? And maybe take a look at that. It's in the premium.
52:42Speaker 1Premium.
52:42Speaker 1So we have school that's free and then you get a ton of information just on that. So we're not trying to sell you when I say this. And then we got a 25
52:49Speaker 1a month and then a VIP, which is 60 a month. It's just, we give more information. It takes a lot of time to do this stuff, dude. So that's why we charge. So,
52:58Speaker 1we're putting good stuff out. Good. It is good. It's worthwhile.
53:01Speaker 2Like, don't, I don't feel bad whatsoever charging because it's like, it's true. There's a lot of good information. It is not that much money.
53:09Speaker 2So it's worth it.
53:10Speaker 2All right. Am I up? 0 Yes.
53:13Speaker 2No, I am. Think it's you. Right. Hey guys, I'm 45 and went from $20.07 to 181 in 90 days.
53:20Speaker 2Diet is dialed in at 180
53:23Speaker 2to 2 10 g of protein daily,
53:27Speaker 2200 grams of carbs around training and 2,000 to 2,500 calories depending on activity. Current stack TRT, 200 megs a week, Retatrutide
53:36Speaker 22.5
53:37Speaker 2mg, 2 times a week,
53:39Speaker 2MOTS-3Migs,
53:41Speaker 2Monday, Wednesday, Friday, KPV, TA-1and CLO
53:45Speaker 2and Wolverine as needed. Previous stack was Retatrut, Tesla, Ipah and SS 31. My blood work improved so much that my doctor joked about wanting the same stack after reviewing my labs. That's funny. And that's awesome.
53:58Speaker 2That's like JD, when he went to his doctor for the 2nd time getting his wife pregnant and he said,
54:04Speaker 2well,
54:05Speaker 2give me that protocol so I can give it to my other patient please. After I told you it wouldn't work.
54:10Speaker 2Anyway, my question is, is there any, any evidence that MOTS -3Mgs Monday, Wednesday, Friday is superior to 1 mg daily dose or transition
54:19Speaker 2dose or transition to Tesofensine
54:22Speaker 2and or 5 m 1 MQ long term is TRT plus HGH plus occasional Retta solid maintenance
54:29Speaker 2foundation long term. Yes.
54:31Speaker 2I think look, dude, you, you sound like
54:35Speaker 2kind of what I would take in my philosophy, which means probably because you listened to this.
54:40Speaker 2No, it makes sense. But
54:43Speaker 2there is no real conclusive evidence.
54:46Speaker 2There is no, there just is no actual studies and conclusive evidence besides, you know, he said, she said out there on
54:53Speaker 2the
54:54Speaker 21 mg daily of MOTS-3s 3
54:58Speaker 2days a week. True. I frankly would say, I don't know, choose either or like,
55:04Speaker 2know, I've seen, I know that there's protocols at 5 Migs once a week. And the reason that that can be a problem is I have lots people have reported taking 5 mg of MOTS-1C at 1 time just makes them kind of feel not very good, like a little hypertensive, like you took some pre workout. Yeah.
55:21Speaker 2So- I don't think that's the best approach. I don't think it's the best way. Don't know. I think, yeah, I think, I think
55:27Speaker 2consecutive,
55:28Speaker 2you know, consistent dosing is a better idea. So either way, dude, I think you're on the right track. Everything else is awesome. And hell yes to the last 1. Is, that's the, that's the long term goal. That's
55:41Speaker 2like, all you need is TOT HGH some retta sometimes
55:45Speaker 2and
55:46Speaker 2hard work and 1 eat and eat right. Which the Reta will force you. 40 5 dude. You can't do, dude. Just keep Your stuff. You're obviously studied. You pay attention 1 and you
55:56Speaker 2sound like we'd be sitting here and like having a good conversation with I would try Tesofensine though. Just, I like it. And I would like, dude, you were, you're experiencing,
56:04Speaker 2like you're, you're practicing.
56:06Speaker 2I would 100% say give testifencian and 5 amina-1MQ
56:09Speaker 2a shot,
56:11Speaker 2in controlled, like in controlled cycle doses. So you know what the difference is. Try
56:17Speaker 2getting off Reddit and going into Tesofensine
56:19Speaker 2instead and see what the difference is. Yep.
56:23Speaker 2I
56:24Speaker 1mean, the best thing that Will just said right there is there's not enough research.
56:28Speaker 1And, if you hear somebody tell you that they know definitively,
56:33Speaker 1don't listen to them because
56:34Speaker 1none of us know. These are newer compounds at least studied. And as we,
56:40Speaker 1you know, go down the line and they're more studied, obviously these answers are going to come and they're going to be more definitive. But again, if you have somebody, this is how it is, listen, maybe follow somebody else because nobody knows.
56:51Speaker 1Do your own research,
56:52Speaker 1try them all 3. How do you feel? That's easiest way to do it. Tesofensine is great.
56:58Speaker 1I didn't like it at 1st. You probably heard. I love it. I think it's great. Now, the only difference is
57:03Speaker 1it can be kind of like a stimulant to some.
57:06Speaker 1I'm not saying it's a stimulant, but some people think that I would never
57:10Speaker 1tell anybody to take it if I was worried in any way, because obviously Will and I are both sober. We both take it. Yeah. That's the only thing to worry about. I don't personally
57:20Speaker 1get any type of
57:23Speaker 1blockage of food noise.
57:25Speaker 1None. I know a lot of people do.
57:28Speaker 1I don't personally. So
57:30Speaker 1again, that's why you need to take it. Do you? Do you? Yes.
57:35Speaker 2Most of do. I definitely do. I definitely get like block it from
57:39Speaker 2the sweets. It's just, it's just the sugar. It's the foods that
57:43Speaker 2it's not food noise in general. And I guess I've never been a big food noise problem, but like it's,
57:48Speaker 2it's those like high sugar
57:51Speaker 2happiness
57:52Speaker 2spike foods. You don't need it anymore. That they don't frigging just, they just don't do it for me if I'm on Tesfense and I don't eat them anymore. That's rad. Because I try some and I'm like, yeah,
58:02Speaker 1it's just doesn't really isn't nearly as good as I remember. Yeah. So if you get that, that's rad. I don't get that. I wish I got that. Can I have some? I
58:11Speaker 1don't get that, but there you go. You're not going to know unless you try it. Tesofensine is great. It's amazing. Try that 5 Amino.
58:17Speaker 1I love it. It's 1 of my favorites. So yeah, I tried that. And then again,
58:21Speaker 1the last 1 is easy.
58:22Speaker 1TRTH GH occasional Redda. That's probably will be my go to forever, forever until it did, till I can't do it anymore. Perfect. A lot of hard work and a lot of saying no to yourself.
58:32Speaker 2Yep.
58:33Speaker 2The red out of the game?
58:35Speaker 1Warriors, thank you for everything you do. This is the last question, by the way. I have a buddy who suffers from Crohn's and hates the meds he's prescribed. He's through 30 to 40 pounds overweight, and he's looking into Reta for weight loss and KPV BPC for gut health thoughts. Yes.
58:54Speaker 2Done. Oral though. I would say, Hey, if we got Crohn's,
58:58Speaker 2I would, I would,
58:59Speaker 2I would go with BPC
59:01Speaker 2pills and KPV
59:03Speaker 2pills. Both.
59:05Speaker 1I ain't gonna hurt to try the injection too. I've got a lot of gut problems. I do both.
59:10Speaker 1Can't go wrong with BPC
59:12Speaker 1anyway. BPC is amazing and KPV.
59:14Speaker 2It's great. Yeah. I mean, that's what they're there for. That's, that's literally like,
59:18Speaker 2that's what they're there for. There is conclusive studies of BPC
59:22Speaker 2with,
59:23Speaker 2Crohn's and, and, and,
59:26Speaker 2everything that's related to that,
59:29Speaker 2leaky gut, etcetera. There's actual research
59:32Speaker 2there. So for sure you're on the right track, do it. And so the people when it comes to that stuff,
59:39Speaker 1you know, again,
59:41Speaker 1setting the base of you in regards to,
59:44Speaker 1diets important, you know, like I'd love carnivore.
59:47Speaker 1I'm not saying you have to try it, but the reason it's real,
59:50Speaker 1a lot of people as myself, when I 1st
59:53Speaker 1started doing it, I thought I was going to have a really hard time with it because it's really mainly meat and eggs. And I was like, dude, can I, that's all I can eat even though I love those 2 foods?
1:00:02Speaker 1But the beauty of it is the fact that you're taking so many foods out.
1:00:07Speaker 1And if you do them for a while, if you can just
1:00:11Speaker 1add them in a little bit 1 x 1 after you feel like you've rebooted your stomach,
1:00:16Speaker 1then you can kind of start to see the ones that really agitate you. So that takes discipline, but that's the best way you could probably do it And adding some fasting in because you're, we don't need to eat constantly.
1:00:28Speaker 1We don't need to constantly be digesting.
1:00:31Speaker 1I know that's hard because we've been told you need to eat every 2 hours and all that stuff where,
1:00:36Speaker 1your body needs time to not eat because when you're burning energy, when you, when you're doing, you have to digest and
1:00:42Speaker 1it's great to give yourself a day off. I know that sounds crazy, but until you do it, you're like, I feel freaking amazing.
1:00:49Speaker 2Yeah. It's really important. I mean, it is really like, yes, where our body gets,
1:00:54Speaker 2our liver gets overwhelmed with just this constant processing
1:00:58Speaker 2of food, right? You can see it in gaining some like water excess holding onto water rate. You know, you do a fast for a day,
1:01:06Speaker 2and your liver finally gets a chance. When it has in the absence of it having to do a job, it finds something to do and that is clean itself out. And that's super important. The liver is
1:01:19Speaker 2the most important, 1 of the most important organs. I mean, brain I don't know if the brain's an organ, but, heart's pretty important. But liver is really just the most functional,
1:01:28Speaker 2organ and is vital to keep clean. Yep.
1:01:32Speaker 1I mean, it's the thing that decides what's good protein, what's bad, like what's what are good fats, what's bad fats? If that's all clogged up and constantly beat up and overworked, you're going to not have good results. Yeah. We, we it's a peptide podcast and you know, most people now are listening. I fell in love with peptides just as we did, you know? And I love that, but don't ever forget about some of the bases of just what God gave us, which is fasting,
1:01:57Speaker 1eating more,
1:01:58Speaker 1taking walks without your shoes on meditating.
1:02:01Speaker 1There's these things that we've had forever
1:02:04Speaker 1because they work. If we just sometimes slow down and try them,
1:02:07Speaker 2they work well, man. Probably the most effective supplement of all time is caffeine. I mean, I think hands down is caffeine.
1:02:15Speaker 2Like it literally numbs pain. It makes you smarter. It makes your brain work faster. Right?
1:02:21Speaker 2It reduces your appetite. It makes you burn your thermogenic state and makes your metabolism
1:02:27Speaker 2go up because your heart's beating a little bit faster.
1:02:31Speaker 2We just are so used to it all day long every day, but it's probably the most effective supplement ever created. The other good 1 for stomach that I've been reading on recently is
1:02:40Speaker 1baking soda. I'm gonna take a shot of baking soda. It's good for stomach and I've had some really bad cough crap that I've been dealing with forever. I've been studying and studying and studying, trying to figure this sucker out and, stumbled upon some, some stuff and some studies with that and like,
1:02:54Speaker 1man, that stuff is soaking
1:02:56Speaker 1my feet in baking soda, apple cider vinegar,
1:02:59Speaker 1and,
1:03:00Speaker 1Epsom salt every night. Got a picture of my post. My son saw me soaking my feet in the bathroom. He's like, what? Like my 2 year old and like he comes in and flies, sticks with me, but
1:03:10Speaker 1it pulls toxins
1:03:11Speaker 1out of your feet and
1:03:13Speaker 1I've been doing it every night and I've been sleeping like a freaking
1:03:17Speaker 1lot. Think my feet would my feet could probably use that. You need to do it as fat as hot as you can take, which I'm pretty good with that stuff. I've been doing it every night and dude, I'm not kidding you.
1:03:26Speaker 1At the very least,
1:03:28Speaker 2I'm sleeping like a freaking baby. So how about washing your mouth out with
1:03:35Speaker 2oil, with
1:03:36Speaker 2MCT oil?
1:03:38Speaker 2Have you heard it? There's a name for this, but I forget who it is. Like, just giving yourself a good, like, just through your teeth and
1:03:44Speaker 2spit it out.
1:03:45Speaker 2But it needs to be like unrefined. I was like, well, I'll just use the Miglol heat, but no, it needs to be unrefined
1:03:52Speaker 2olive oil. But to that or not. So, yeah, look into that. There is a name for it. I also I I definitely brush my teeth and probably well, I brush my teeth, folks.
1:04:00Speaker 2Thank God.
1:04:02Speaker 2My floss comes I floss all the time now. I did not as a younger man, but I wash my mouth out with hydrogen peroxide. I just drink some of the hydrogen peroxide. Do not drink it.
1:04:12Speaker 2Just swish your mouth out. And that stuff that just kills everything in your mouth. It's fine. Try it. And brush your teeth with a baked soda. That too. Have you done that? No. But I think most toothpaste is made with baking soda. Like don't use that charcoal.
1:04:24Speaker 2Yeah, true. Don't use the charcoal, toothpaste. Apparently like doesn't do anything Like for that stuff though. Like, there's so many like
1:04:32Speaker 1stuff that like, we just have that like, you know, we've been pulled this way because
1:04:37Speaker 1people want to sell product, which I'm not ever knocking anybody selling a product. It's great. But like, there's some old remedies dudes with just literally taking your feet and walking on the grass. Like you've connected to the energy of the earth. I know it sounds woo woo, but it's true. Right?
1:04:51Speaker 1Absolutely. Like that, like re centers you and like your equilibrium
1:04:55Speaker 1and your it's truth, truth, man. We have
1:04:59Speaker 1school is popping. We are so blessed. We've
1:05:03Speaker 1been now finally feeling comfortable enough on Instagram to pull some people over and market a little bit because we were a little worried at 1st. But now we're doing some marketing and like people are coming over and they love it. So you hear people even talking on here,
1:05:18Speaker 1it's, you can do the free 1. We don't care if you do the upgrades. We don't, we really don't. The,
1:05:22Speaker 1the, the team of people out there that we have cultivated
1:05:26Speaker 1all of us together
1:05:28Speaker 1has been truly amazing. They lift each other up. They help each other. You know, if there's anybody being,
1:05:34Speaker 1we'll get rid of them. That's positivity
1:05:36Speaker 1lifting each other. Here's how you do this. This is what I tried. Such a community. It's about, what do we have? 12, 13000 people now and growing like, so jump on there. You will have a lot of good information that we give you for free. Make sure you click on classroom.
1:05:51Speaker 1There's a ton of stuff right there. A lot of people don't click around. And then we do have 2 upgrades that
1:05:57Speaker 125 and a 30 or 60. And the reason that we do that is because that's the stuff that takes a long time.
1:06:03Speaker 1Even the 60, we've done some stuff that we've been asked for. And I talked about a steroid cycle that he, and it's not because we're advocating steroids
1:06:11Speaker 1we're asked. So we just do that to try to give the people, then the questions that we get, what they want.
1:06:18Speaker 1It's never ending. We're always under construction.
1:06:21Speaker 1We're both really good at like what we do. He's really good at like the organization and keeping everything. This place is dope because of this guy.
1:06:28Speaker 1But we both bring a lot to the table and it tossed a lot of our energy.
1:06:33Speaker 2That's why we charge for certain things. But other than that, it's dope jump on there. We would love to see on there, man. Yep, absolutely. And we have a lot of, a lot of our answers and different protocols come from not only just our minds, but these guests that you guys have all seen, with
1:06:49Speaker 2from Josh Holyfield to
1:06:51Speaker 2Trevor,
1:06:52Speaker 2Paul back to y'all. A lot of any questions you guys ask
1:06:56Speaker 2a lot of those answers. We
1:06:58Speaker 1on the complex ones consult with, with those guys, different doctors, etcetera. So we're always going to improve because that's who Will and I are in our team of a lot of people, both we've had numerous people that are some big wigs in the industry. They left here, they sent us some praises of our team that we're just like you guys, this team is just amazing because they are, we truly have hearts to serve and really all kind of share the message of just trying to help people get healthy. And that is amazing. And we're gonna have doctors on. We have another gal coming on, Tiffany, who's coming on at the end of the month, who is going to be kind of like Doctor. Scott, really about gut health and hormone
1:07:37Speaker 1replacement for you ladies. She's going to be really into that.
1:07:41Speaker 1Just some other doctor Chestnut, if anybody follows him, my wife sent me him, we reached out, he's wanted to come on and he's huge, like huge. And
1:07:48Speaker 1that's what we're going to do. Continue to push the envelope
1:07:52Speaker 1on getting better people on here because we love learning from them. You know, like we're all under construction.
1:07:59Speaker 1And again, we'll never hear us say,
1:08:02Speaker 1this is how it is because we're
1:08:04Speaker 1no, we, that we are constantly learning. We're just trying to give you guys the best information. And that's been a blessing to be able to have this podcast to have people that want to come on. So 0 a potential
1:08:16Speaker 2vet to talk to us about
1:08:19Speaker 2peptides future treatments. Right? We're working on a lot. We're working
1:08:22Speaker 2on that. These doctors need to be careful, right? They're not allowed to describe
1:08:27Speaker 2most of the peptide. So,
1:08:29Speaker 2yeah, we'll probably have a vet here to talk about pets and, and, know, what are some potential
1:08:34Speaker 2remedies
1:08:35Speaker 2and potential things that might be in the future horizon. So rad. Yeah. Other
1:08:40Speaker 1than that, we will catch you on the next round. Take care. Good night.