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1:20Speaker 2What a good podcast, this last 1. Yeah. The other one's awesome. That we had made a lot of waves out in the social media world.
1:28Speaker 2I was telling Bo as we were sitting down here, we had more, I think, shares on some of the posts that I had done than they even likes. That's a good thing. It means that people are just sending them to their friends and going out. But Peter Magic, what a
1:40Speaker 3cool dude. Smart man. A lot of times. Smart dude. Like, I don't and he was born with the name Peter Magic. I know. Like, you're stoked, man.
1:49Speaker 3Born with the name of Peter Magic in the Czech Republic, which is like, that's not a very, like, Czech name, but,
1:59Speaker 3down to earth, had a great story. Like, 1 amazing story. Was starting this company when he was like 16 in his dorm room. Here's 1 question though. I did he mentioned something about
2:14Speaker 3Okay? And I feel like it was put him in medical school. Yeah. I think he was in medical till at 16. Okay. Right.
2:21Speaker 2Good. That was good. I'm glad that you okay. I was like, he's that he seems like he's that smart. Yeah. I mean, dude, like, he's like leading
2:28Speaker 3his company's leading the way in play. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a lot comments. A lot of sense. He also I mean, he basically, like, revolutionalized
2:35Speaker 3if you think about it, like, nobody was testing for any, like, performance enhancing supplements ever. Right? So
2:41Speaker 3the product that was being sold was just garbage because everybody knew they could just make garbage and sell it, and nobody had a way to test them. Like, the only testing was for,
2:51Speaker 3big it was b 2 b. Right? It was for, like, big pharmaceutical brands when they make a huge batch. There was companies that would test those, but nobody and no individual person.
3:06Speaker 3and that has single handedly, obviously, grown into grown into where we are today, but also single handedly just made everybody
3:13Speaker 3up the game of all of the supplements that they make because now there's the fear that they might be tested and checked, which they should be. And,
3:22Speaker 3yeah, who knows? Probably saved a lot of lives and saved a lot of gyno from people. And
3:27Speaker 2Having the foresight, though, of that, I mean, whether he, like, knew he I'm sure he didn't know where he was. He actually just, like, could retire in a couple years, but I don't what am I gonna do? Yeah. And they looked as you know, I mean, like, I'm not I'm not conspiracy
3:43Speaker 3is Tushed. He is not. Like, even every every answer that we asked him, it was just pure logic. It was like, well Scientist. This is this and, you know, follow the money also. You know? Blah blah blah. So I appreciated those answers. Yeah. I thought that was awesome. Exactly. Good stuff. He's he yeah. So he was cool. He was smart. He's down to earth. He's in there growing, and I I thought interesting too. And he said the biggest headache that we have, the biggest problem is is opening boxes.
4:14Speaker 3That's a lot of work, folks. If anybody's ever worked in a warehouse that has to work that open boxes, like, employees alone, I even use it. If everybody did some boxes, we still saw it. You know what I mean? Mathematic. Yeah. 1 guy gets that job. Absolutely. Are a box opener. Open a box opener. Open a box opener. Time. Just use your your knife and cut boxes open. So That's your job. Good for him. Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah. And keeping all that stuff organized. As b also knows, because we have been doing some crazy organization,
4:42Speaker 3it's hard. Yeah. It is really hard to keep numbers and organize organization of, you know, for us, 80 different items times 3 with all unique numbers and Jeez. Holy shit. And he's got 1000 a day. Dude.
4:55Speaker 2Yeah. You ain't making it if you're not organized. No. You're not. No. Rude. So that's cool. Yeah. That's that was awesome. Everybody should watch that. Yeah, super fun, man. So that's cool. We wanna maybe try to get some of the other testing facilities out there too just to maybe get a perspective from a different angle. Absolutely. Kinda cool. But, for the people that we have told about the Warrior Baker, get together, we wanted to announce it on all platforms because
5:19Speaker 2we're not gonna pull it off. We are Will and I are gonna be traveling a little bit over the next couple months,
5:24Speaker 2and it's summer and so will you, and, it's that's just kinda low on the totem pole. We got a lot going on. So we will have it probably the end of the summer. So if you were counting on that, which a lot of people seem to
5:35Speaker 3Oh, yeah. We will have it. We're just going to extend it till the end of summer when everybody's passed on vacations and all that stuff. And we want time to plan. Like, believe me, folks, JD really wants to do this, and I and I do too. I actually I think it's a it'll be it'll be Shake some hands. Great people. Like, we need to do it right. Yeah.
5:54Speaker 2And not rush it together. And so, yeah. And we all have that aspect of things. Will for sure where it's it's great. We've talked about it 1000000 times. We're a good balance. When we were in Vegas, we just that's 1 thing that we shook hands on so to speak and said, any warrior maker product, any warrior maker, anything is
6:14Speaker 2of approval. And like if we're it's we're not gonna do anything 0.5 assed, I guess, is is the best way to say it. I would have been 0.5 assed. Uh-huh. And, we want it to become kind of a special day. So Yep. Anyways, 20 seven's off,
6:28Speaker 3Other than that, it's a Q and A, which is everybody's favorite. Let's jump right in, my brother. Alright. You're up. And I will read 1st. So question 1. Hey, guys. I'm a male 32 years old. I've been on a Tesa
6:49Speaker 3of Ipamorelin in the morning. Never had an issue once. The past 2 nights, night after injecting, my hands and feet became itchy and very uncomfortable, almost like pins and needles.
6:58Speaker 3The night prior, I took 0.5 of a Benadryl, and it stopped. Tonight, it stopped after 10 minutes on its own without a Benadryl.
7:06Speaker 3I stopped taking it due to fear and becoming allergic to it. Have you guys heard anything like this before? And if so, what should I use to replace the Tesamorelin
7:27Speaker 31st thing, yes, absolutely, you've heard about this. This you are this is very this is common.
7:34Speaker 3like, allergic reaction. It's a histamine reaction. Okay? So it is a reaction, but it's not like an allergic reaction to where where you are inherently born allergic to that. Yeah. Like, that that is not what's going on. What's happening is your body is sensing something that is foreign,
7:49Speaker 3and it go and this is what our body does. Right? If something's comes into our body and our body's like, woah, that isn't me on, a
7:58Speaker 3it says, let's get it out of me. And how it gets out is by producing histamines, right, to, well, push it out or neutralize whatever that is. So that's what you're experiencing,
8:17Speaker 3you know, a couple weeks. You've been doing it consistently, and then you start to get that reaction. Compounded. The good news is that it is it actually has started to gone away. And so, like, there are things your body can adapt to these things and go, alright. That okay. I can deal with this. It's normal. So the fact that you did it the 2nd the 2nd time that it happened, you didn't take a Benadryl and it stopped earlier
8:44Speaker 3is 1st of all, let's make sure let's isolate and see what it is. Is it the Tesamorelin, or is it the Ipamorelin?
8:57Speaker 3But then again, also, you could want you to just do experiments on yourself if you want to. Right? Just just pull the Epic completely. Just do Tesa, see if we have any issues. Right? Man, vice versa.
9:13Speaker 3people who are leaner so if you are injecting into the sub q layer and you don't have a lot of fat or you have no fat, right, these peptides are gonna hit you a lot faster, and it will have a higher chance of eliciting that reaction.
9:28Speaker 3the faster that you actually push that plunger down, right, the the more chance you're gonna get eliciting the reaction. Those injector pens that they make literally are meant for people to, like, put them in there. Hold it. And hold it for, like, 90 seconds, like, some crazy amount of time.
9:55Speaker 3If you're really lean and there's no fat and you're just putting it into that true sub q layer, then do it even I guess, inject even slower. I'm not gonna tell you don't go add a bunch of fat. That's
10:17Speaker 3everybody's body is different. Who knows? You might not get it with that. And then Sermorelin is the other 1 to potentially replace it with. Okay? Because those 3 are all the
10:42Speaker 3growth hormone releasing hormone versus growth hormone releasing peptide. Ipamorelin is a GHRP.
10:55Speaker 3The more we do this, the more people we talk to and all that, it's crazy is everybody's
11:00Speaker 3has their peptide or sometimes peptides that happens to. We'll have stuff going on with NAD. I got nothing with NAD. I don't feel anything of it at all. I've never had a problem with his name sting.
11:14Speaker 3I think the only thing that you're going be really worried about, I think this is diet, it'll die out. Like, so your body's going to get used to it.
11:20Speaker 2But if you did it a few days longer and it continued, then you can kind of pull it and it is what it is. CJC has that with a lot of people. I've told this story, but it was, we were out with some dinner with some friends recently and we talked about this because it happened with them at CJC as well, where they had a histamine response. And I I've had it where I just got, like, kinda, like, right when I injected, like, hives down my leg. I mean, it was instant. It was like, woah. That was fast. With my my wife,
11:52Speaker 2I was like, Holy shit. I literally almost took her to the ER and I was tripping out because I'd never seen anything like that. And, you know, I got on to research some stuff really quickly.
12:02Speaker 2And if if you any of that happens to anybody listening is the thing that you need to be fearful of, if you feel your throat start to close out Yeah. That means go. No. That fixed.
12:12Speaker 2Obviously, have an antihistamine and KPV helps, but, But not The point is sometimes this is just gonna happen, and there's nothing you can do about it. Your body just sometimes is gonna fight it, and I think it's just different for everybody. So I don't think it's necessarily Tesamorelin.
12:26Speaker 2I would say if your objective truly is to to ride the Tesamorelin out, I bet you it gets better. But if it doesn't, you end you'll know in a few days. So keep doing that. And, yeah. So what's that, man? Easy. Easy peasy. Mhmm.
12:39Speaker 2Alright. Let's see here. Couple of topics, suggestions I'd love to see covered. The 1st is cloudy peptides, which has been a recurring issue for me,
13:14Speaker 2need to be completely clear. I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on this. The 2nd topic is modafinil,
13:31Speaker 2I'll take it. So modafinil, we just did that. I don't know if you wrote this beforehand,
13:43Speaker 2It's a prescription for the most part, but, it's amazing. I I I use it before I took 1 before the podcast. It razor focus, man. I take 1 almost for every podcast, but that's it. If you take it too much,
13:58Speaker 2if you will, but it's great. I love it. So I think it's amazing. But if you haven't listened to that podcast, go back and listen. I think it's like 3 back. Mhmm.
14:11Speaker 2I I personally still use it. I just don't I've done it so many times. I mix a lot of different peptides, and a lot of people will disagree with that. I don't. I've done it numerous times and it's not a problem for me.
14:23Speaker 2But yes, you needed to have a to know what water goes with which, which Will is about to drop that right now. So we have that
14:41Speaker 2that we've put up there has just been insane. This guy just has just dropped just knowledge and on top of knowledge and,
14:49Speaker 2you know, most people don't don't look for it. So they want the protocols, and then they don't keep searching. But if you go on here, which Will's about to drop you and you just go to classroom Yep. There all that is knowledge.
14:59Speaker 3Go ahead, Will. Show me the yes. So to answer your question, this I figured after reading this question in the beginning,
15:06Speaker 3I would show you where you can find this information because we get these questions a lot. So school this does confuse people. School is a platform
15:23Speaker 3account, then other people can join it, etcetera. So schools school is a platform. We do not own the domain there, but we have a it's peptide of the week community. We'll post the exact URL so y'all can visit it. Okay? It is free for the most part. We do have some paid tiers. But
15:38Speaker 31st question, what bacteriostatic water do we wanna mix? Acetic acid, what do we know? So this
15:47Speaker 31st of all, community, this is the social media posting portion, but if you go to classroom, okay, these are inside the paid tiers,
16:01Speaker 3And we have right here a peptide reconstitution guide. I have a different version for you that's bigger, that's also on there that everybody can see on here.
16:25Speaker 3Have you ever experienced any a peptide that, like, in your, like, oh, on a regular basis, you didn't do any Yeah. For example, like, AOD should be mixed with a different water, and sometimes I've often before we start doing that, I used backwater. But but then it was then it was a little bit cloudy. But It was cloudy. Correctly. If you do it correctly, no. No. Of course not. So so, buddy, whoever is asking this question, right,
16:47Speaker 3you mix it correctly With the right water. There with the right water Should work. And there shouldn't be anything cloudy. If there is cloudy, maybe it's full of endotoxins. Maybe that's been degraded,
16:59Speaker 3But you shouldn't there aren't any peptides that I know of. They're like, oh, yeah. That's cloudy and that's normal. Yeah. If you're a rat. Okay? So
17:06Speaker 3everything should be just do this. Majority of everything should be mixed with bacteriostatic water. K?
17:26Speaker 3just safely keep peptides in the refrigerator, but add room temp water in there and add it slowly in there. We've also noticed and know that if you're just blasting water in there, that can cause some issues in it. So everything
17:39Speaker 3bacteriostatic water, the things that we need to that need to be mixed with acetic acid water, not just pure acetic acid, but acetic acid bacteriostatic water are AOD 9 6 0 4,
18:06Speaker 3tells you that, and it tells you a little bit about everything. There's sterile water. 1st of all, there is a difference between sterile water and bacterial static water. Sterile water is used is only there is no benzoyl alcohol, so it should be used for 1 time use only. Something where you like mixed water and you do the entire thing now.
19:26Speaker 320. So for the 5, the CJC IPA, 5 plus 5, 10 plus 5, 10 plus 10, and then look at all the other ones that are available and we're constantly adding these. Alright? The next question
19:49Speaker 3all of the podcasts of our Q and As, all Q and As, all of our peptide of the week, and
19:55Speaker 3all of the slide other shit the slide presentations that we actually give during those podcasts. And in fact, we did 1 on modafinil. So if you go here,
20:24Speaker 3I would not take it at night, but it's actually not gonna do anything wrong to your heart. It's not like caffeine, where caffeine is stimulating your heart, your heart's beating faster.
20:39Speaker 3that promotes wakefulness. I think the actual like prescription is the is it is prescribed for shift work disorder,
20:47Speaker 3which basically just means, like, if you work a double shift for 3 days in a row, guess you're tired, and so you should take this and not be too tired. I
20:53Speaker 3guess. But take it if and it gives you helps with razor focus, no anxiety. It's non habit forming. And I know this for a fact because I've taken it plenty of times. I have lots of friends who've taken it and we all get addicted to everything.
21:08Speaker 3Okay. And that's you, that's what people get addicted to. So I can take those for 5 days in a row and then tomorrow just not even think about it. Yep. And no problem. So but it is a prescription only or if unless you can find it somewhere.
21:22Speaker 2like the the focus you get is definitely awesome. We've given it to a couple of people that have been on the podcast. They're like, woah. Yeah. Like, you are just razor focused. So if you have, like, a big class coming up or something to study on, man, you're just razor focused. I generally take 0.5 a pill, like, 100 mg,
21:38Speaker 3not in the morning on an empty stomach with coffee. That seems to be like, if I take a full pill then, it's a little too much. But
21:45Speaker 3and I can sleep no matter what. So I wouldn't suggest this, but, like, I'll take it at the end of the day and be just and that will help me Wow. Wake up to the end of day and I don't care. I'll I'll fall asleep. 0.5 a pill. Yeah. And no even a full pill. Oh, wow. Doesn't matter. But I don't think it would. I would take a full pill if I'm, like, fed and it's midday and I'm actually tired. Yeah. But empty stomach 1st thing in the morning, full pill is too much for me. No go? Nice. Anyway
22:07Speaker 2Go. There you go. Hopefully, the answer is that. Check it out, man. There's so much there's so much information. People aren't even looking at it. It's Yeah. Yep. Just loaded with
22:17Speaker 3Right. Stuff to check out. TLB, it's it's what blood test for males if you were looking at your TRT. Right? How to read an actual syringe.
22:36Speaker 3we do have our, like the premium Bud Play Sacks. So this is $25 a month and look at, and we have pre made
22:57Speaker 2So this will continue to grow and grow and grow. Men's fertility, we get asked that daily. Yeah. Pretty much. What's protocol?
23:17Speaker 3alright. We will carry on. Oh, is it is it a week? I thought it was a day. Is it a week? Well, you can do I'm doing it once a week, splitting it into 3 3 times a week. But,
23:41Speaker 3who didn't know, and he took the HCG, did the entire did a 5000 IU bottle just in 1 injection
23:47Speaker 3got his wife pregnant, like, a month later. So it's like, as long as you just get the stuff in you Yeah. And you can't OD on HCG. Right? It might just make your testosterone,
24:00Speaker 3you know, there is known you know, because doing that, it may help increase your estrogen a bit. So there's
24:09Speaker 3none of this stuff right here is really worrisome at all. Yeah. You can't HMG, human menopausal
24:18Speaker 3Kinda feel funny taking that because I shouldn't be trying to, I don't know, make myself go into menopause, but then again,
24:31Speaker 3Right. You're up. Hi, guys. Alright. Okay. Hi, guys. Thank you for being such a great resource
24:51Speaker 3Right now, I am also injecting AOD and Ipamorelin in the morning. I'm taking Tesamorelin
24:55Speaker 3at night as well. Everything wants to be taken in a fasted state. Do I really need to carve out chunk of time in between injecting
25:05Speaker 3Okay. Or is it fine to take them back to back as neither is likely to spike insulin? Or if it does matter, should I take the thyroid meds
25:17Speaker 3I also have a bunch of other supplements I take in the morning, but I usually wait 45 minutes to an hour after injecting, taking the thyroid meds to take those. Morning hours are hectic, though, and I'm running out of time, spaced all these things out. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Okay, dude. So
25:40Speaker 3I wouldn't take t 3 on top of the absolute full meal, but I'm not that worried about you taking it fasted. What I am really worried about is caffeine.
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27:04Speaker 3but the fasting, not that important on the t 3. The fasting is important on, like you said, the the peptides that
27:26Speaker 3And I think that's but but the HGH ones, it does matter. Take them fasted, please. And, yes, it does matter. People say, hey. Between 90 minutes to 30 maybe even up down to, like, 30 minutes,
27:40Speaker 3I've heard different people say different things. Yeah. But that's what I got. Don't even worry about the thyroid meds.
27:49Speaker 3those aren't I mean, taking a thyroid med isn't negating a fast also, by the way. Like, that's not actually food. No. Is that what he was he wasn't saying that, was he? I don't I'm
28:01Speaker 2I mean, I don't think I think you I think it's great to think through it, but I don't think I think you're thinking a little too much, man. I would just take if it were me, I'll just answer if it were me. I would take my medication
28:10Speaker 2and the the injections, like, right when I wake up because that's what I do. I take a lot of medications or not medications, but,
28:18Speaker 2and I take them on an empty stomach because I fast a lot and I take my peptides. I don't think you gotta worry about that, my brother. Like Will said,
28:29Speaker 2or some of those, you don't need to worry about it. You're not taking those. You are taking the secretagogue and an AOD,
28:36Speaker 2You're doing it you're doing it good, man. You're thinking too much. Just take it right when you wake up. Just simplify it, my brother. You've been good.
29:05Speaker 2Hormones need to be worked on 1st. I would assume you've gotten blood panel, but you need to do a deep blood panel and get that stuff situated because we've
29:19Speaker 2getting them in line. And a lot of times it's going to, women, you need to have the, it takes a
29:25Speaker 2long time to, like, I just did a podcast on my other podcast about some of the stuff I've gone through personally, and I'm going to be 49 in less than a month. And what happens, I think, all of us is our body changes. Like what works for a long time for us no longer works. And so you have to adapt, you have to audible. And like when you get out of your sweet spot,
29:43Speaker 2it takes a little time to find your sweet spot again. I'm kind of in the middle of that myself.
29:50Speaker 2you need to get that situated. So focus on that. I I would say do deep dive and figure out the hormones 1st. When it comes to Tessa
29:57Speaker 2and the IGF-one, I mean, the test is gonna you raise your IGF-one anyway, so I don't think that matters. It just depends on kinda what you want. You don't really give us a lot of information. How old are you? What are your objectives? How's your diet? You don't say a whole lot, so it's really hard to answer what you should do when we don't know anything about you.
30:14Speaker 2Start with your hormones. And then obviously the typical stuff, get your base, eat right, get a lot of sleep,
30:52Speaker 3and that's a loaded question because we don't know everything else that is going on with you. Very big.
30:59Speaker 3So that's not something that actually I can I would feel comfortable even answering, but I would say you be wary of it, please, and go see a doctor who knows what they're doing? We can suggest some that actually do know what they are doing, and they would be better qualified to actually,
31:12Speaker 2give you that answer. We're trying, Will and I've discussed this numerous times, we're really trying to get some doctors on here that we,
31:20Speaker 2for lack of a better way to say it, vet to a degree, but are just more outside of like Western medicine to the degree where it's just holistic type stuff and
31:30Speaker 2because you can go to any doctor, they're everywhere, but they're going to give you a different perspective and maybe run deeper blood panels. You've heard us discuss it. So that's what we were working on another gal coming on in the next couple of weeks. That's gonna give a woman's perspective
31:45Speaker 2for the hormones. She's like the opposite of Doctor. Scott. She's for you ladies. So we're working on on getting her on. I think her name is Doctor. Wanda. Can't remember off the top of my head. I think it's Doctor. Wanda. But we're getting her on for you to
31:56Speaker 2just get a different perspective from for you women and hormones and whatnot because it's extremely important equally as important for you, ladies,
32:12Speaker 31 day 1 1 day desperate for sleep. Can review all the peptides for sleep. Tessa, DSIP,
32:19Speaker 3Batalon, and differences in which help most with falling asleep as well as staying asleep. Desperate postmenopausal
32:31Speaker 3I believe part of my issue is also anxiety, my brain not shutting down. I'm thankful for any help, and I love you guys. Always super helpful. Alright. So we'll do our best. Like, I'll give you a quick breakdown. So Epitalon
32:45Speaker 3What how it can help your sleep is it syncs up your circadian rhythm. This is important. This is actually built by me, which is absolutely It's like rebooting you. Yeah. And to be and I'm sorry. I guess I don't really know what server
32:57Speaker 3Insomnia. Probably just Insomnia. Does that mean, like and it can't be. Like, you're actually like a server and you work odd hours. What is cross out servers? No. Sorry. But if that's the case, then the circadian rhythm thing is important. Right?
33:11Speaker 3Just being if you're used to working a job that has you working opposite of what most humans do, then getting your circadian rhythm in line is very important. So Epitalon,
33:19Speaker 3hell yes. I'd try it. I would try it for I would I would absolutely try it. Epitalon is 1 thing where you do wanna do it twice a year, 100 mg
33:43Speaker 3calm state preparing for sleep. So it does not, like, just knock you out and drool on yourself, but
33:50Speaker 3it will make it easier for you to fall asleep and to get actually to fall in and get REM sleep. So that kind of
33:58Speaker 3serves both of your purposes, and I would try that and and experiment. You know? Try up to, shit, I've done, you know, 2000 micrograms, 2 mg of of DSIP and been just fine. So I'd start with maybe 0.5 a milligram, but let's see how your tolerance is.
34:26Speaker 3theoretically should help your sleep and help you get more better, restful, and repairing restorative sleep. Now, unfortunately, we have heard and that
34:37Speaker 3can sometimes do the opposite. Yeah. Base especially early on, and and you just can ride it out and it will get better. But, basically, your body is now you're taking that and your body's trying to to grow and repair. Right? It's almost like you go to the gym, work out really hard right before you go to sleep.
34:56Speaker 3awake and, like, doing stuff something Yeah. That it won't really let you fall asleep. So Sermorelin
35:13Speaker 3Other than that, JD, I know you have some other, like, you struggle with some sleep, but- Yeah.
35:29Speaker 2and that is a huge, huge problem. It's ironic that it's been popping up everywhere. That guy yesterday the guy yesterday was talking about cortisol. Absolutely. Cortisol is a beast. It will take the top seat of anything. It it'll it'll
35:43Speaker 2Believe it or not. So if you're not sleeping, they generally generally speaking, this is an exact right. It's like 5 hours. But if you're getting less than 5 hours of sleep, your cortisol is most likely high.
35:54Speaker 2And what happens is generally you might fall asleep easy and then wake up like I used to, like, 02:00 and be like, long, wide awake. You're not supposed to wake wake up at 02:00. Your cortisol is just high.
36:04Speaker 2For me, I think it was the social media stuff. My brain was just always going, and I couldn't, like, let it, like, stop.
36:12Speaker 2So you wanna work on cortisol. I know some of this stuff is gonna be a little woo woo, but I'm just gonna tell you that I did a lot of reading on it to try to fix me.
36:20Speaker 2Walking on the grass, grounding is a very huge thing. We don't do it as much as we used to, walking on a beach, walking on the grass,
36:31Speaker 2were connected to the earth. These can really reboot your system, believe it or not. So that's the more organic
36:39Speaker 2talked about my sleeping problems for a lot and, somebody came into my DMs and said, here you go, man, this is gonna fix you. Dude, I'm telling you, I called my wife that day, babe, would you give me this, this, this, and this. And I took this, this, and this, and this, just like he said, he even told me how much to take, and I've been sleeping 8 hours pretty much every night since. So here, let me lay it down for you. So magnesium,
37:27Speaker 2girl, I hope this helps you because it helps me. I dude, man, it's been I've been sleeping like a baby and I have been completely
37:46Speaker 2will literally drive you to the grave. That's how powerful they are. No joke. Like, so fix
37:55Speaker 2let me know if it works because I'm gonna be talking about it a lot because I whoever and if you are the person that recommended
38:02Speaker 2this, go into my DMs, man. I would love to talk with you and thank you because I've been passing it on to a lot of people. So good stuff. The 1 peptide I forgot was Selank.
38:12Speaker 3how about this? We point your direction again to here where we have built already the sleep optimization stack. Sweet. Okay. So that's another thing that you can find in
38:40Speaker 2even some like on all the others, some like research, some cited research sources, etcetera. I think Epitalon would be good for you because it's kinda like you're turning your phone off and rebooting it. It's gonna work better.
39:12Speaker 2Okay. Have some that are, like, like, something you could try. I mean, I don't think it's gonna be exact, but Dihexa, what, Semax, Selank, any Pinealon, Cerebrolysin. There's a lot. For
39:22Speaker 3the most part, no. There's I the answer is gonna be, like, no brain surgery. Absolutely not guaranteed that, like, you take these preemptively and you will not get dementia. No. But if you look at dihexa, pinealon, cerebral lysine. Right? Dihexa
39:54Speaker 3All of those, I would like you to do your own research on them because they work slightly differently, and and there's different protocols for each,
40:06Speaker 3those are the 3 that I would point to. Absolutely them. All 3 of them are being right now studied for dementia and Alzheimer patients.
40:14Speaker 3So there is promising research coming out that that is showing that they are they will help and,
40:20Speaker 3proactively, but I just there's just no guarantee. There's just no guarantee. We don't even we don't know enough, and
40:26Speaker 2that's all I can give to you. Dihexa, we did a little bit of a a deep dive on that. So We did on all Definitely try them. And then, again, let's get to the basics, man. Get some sleep.
40:36Speaker 2Make sure that you are resistance training and, eating right. Does he say his name? Age, man. I wish he would have told us age. Age is important, but, yeah, man. Really build that base even if the house you're living in is shaky as hell, you're overweight and whatnot, build a base.
40:57Speaker 2get your sleep like this gal Bub wasn't sleeping like, fix it, and then build on top of it. Some of this stuff will start to rectify.
41:03Speaker 2Not saying all of it, but you'll notice a big difference when you just get your base set. Promise you.
41:09Speaker 3Alright. Trying for a baby. Pregnancy questions. Hey, guys. New to the new to the peptide game and currently going back through all of your podcasts and loving them and trying to process as much as possible. Nice. We're due to to start trying to have a baby soon, and we just wanted your thoughts on any contraindications
41:46Speaker 3Well, good luck. I will. I hope things go well, and and they will. You just think positive.
42:02Speaker 3Yes. Did you like copper is a heavy metal, maybe light metal. It's a metal that you're introducing your body. We don't want that breastfeeding.
42:16Speaker 2during, yes, pregnancy and breastfeeding. I would bet that I would bet that I knew he was gonna say that. So you already answered for me, but I would kind of think I can answer him when I say this. You can see if you can disagree on that. I don't think either of us really think they're changing me in the eyes. I think you're probably gonna be okay. Right. But why screw with it? It's your baby. I was new with it. The peptides will be here when the baby's like, you know, whenever you stop breastfeeding or whatever you decide to do. Right? So,
42:42Speaker 3let the baby just be the baby, and then Tiptide will be here when you You are right. I actually would probably bet it would do nothing. But Whoever we're on the side of I the wanna be the 1 to tell you to do this thing, and then
43:00Speaker 3I screw that. To make a baby. It knows what it's doing. Let it do its thing. That's right.
43:05Speaker 2Yeah. Alright. So for for SLU, since it's small molecule and not a peptide, how long can we run a cycle and how long should we take off? I love the benefits I get
43:22Speaker 2what's something similar to run well off? Love the recent episode with Paul discussing GHRP
43:33Speaker 2Have you guys done any research on this? I've heard there's similar benefits to MK-677,
43:57Speaker 2which GH would be, the better option? Thank you. That's a great question. Mhmm. That's a great question.
44:10Speaker 2I'll tell you what what I've read and I've done in regards to SLU. I think it's a great compound, especially for you ladies.
44:18Speaker 2Generally, you're gonna run it 3 months, give or take 90 days, and then take like a month off.
44:23Speaker 2If you bend on that, is it gonna be a problem? Of course not. I think I've even done it longer than than 90 days, but I have read some stuff though. If you take it too long, it starts to do the opposite.
44:34Speaker 2So just know that. And there's so many different compounds out there in regards to, like, fat burners.
44:45Speaker 25 amino 1 MQ. Those are just great. You got L carnitine, which is is amazing, but it takes a lot of injections.
44:52Speaker 2But there's those are amazing that you can do. When, I would start with a secretagogue.
45:07Speaker 2that change and get skewed a little bit from, I think, even when Will and I started talking years ago on growth hormone and testosterone,
45:13Speaker 2and that is starting to bend backwards instead of 40, like maybe 35, but no, there's not an exact,
45:23Speaker 2Right? How do you feel? Like when it comes to testosterone, obviously blood work and stuff like that's gonna be, but I would start with secretagogue, maybe a Tesamorelin. It does amazing for you ladies.
45:33Speaker 2Add an AOD into there. I love those 2, especially for women. Those 2 compounds together. I've seen it do rad things. And then you can add the growth hormone in later. I would say start thinking about that maybe 35. Okay. Alright. So,
45:55Speaker 3That's conservative. If you were if it were me, I don't take, I wouldn't take that long off. Yeah. It'd be about, like, 2 to 4 weeks, but here's what I would do is, like so SLU-3s is an exercise mimetic.
46:07Speaker 3MOTS-seed would be so you wanna kinda schedule these peptides or or or products that you're taking
46:13Speaker 3in cycles and then have some because there's so many different ones that just kinda So do very similar
46:25Speaker 3is a good bridge, but also MOTS-three. Right? So, like, MOTS-three, SS-thirty 1 a little bit right before. Some MOTS-three as
46:30Speaker 3that bridge, and then you could for sure take that 4 to 6 weeks off because you you were you're doing those 4 to 6 weeks. Yeah. Probably longer, hopefully. 6 to 6 to 12 weeks, actually. Then you can get back onto the sloop. Right? And just kind of plan these things in your gap. So it's not like you can come off. You gotta be off of everything.
46:54Speaker 3It's not I just based on based on just all of these people who I have talked to Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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47:45Speaker 3I've seen taking growth hormone like I just don't even think it's worth taking any exogenous growth hormone until you're at least 40 years old. I just don't see it doing anything. The biggest thing what you're looking for is as we age around 45 to 55
48:09Speaker 3it's not gonna maximize the secretagogy. So at that time, it's time to give yourself real exogenous growth hormone. That because then you don't have to rely on pituitary. It skips that and gives you the real thing because your pituitary won't actually do
48:21Speaker 3do much. I don't care how much it's telling it to start working. It won't be that good. So I'm going say 45 to 50,
48:35Speaker 3you know, talk to a doctor before really taking the growth hormone, make sure that a lot of your markers
48:46Speaker 3You know, the a lot of the the pro life and cortisol hunger is dose dependent on MK-six 77. Oh, there is a new,
48:58Speaker 3that is supposed to be a lighter version. Right? She said, like, a small molecule version of MK-six 77. There is there is, I think, something being
49:11Speaker 3you know, all of those side effects on MK are really dose dependent. That's why a lot of people like, if you're getting really crazy hunger, a lot of people split that dose.
49:26Speaker 3K? If MK makes you tired, taking 1 big taking 20 mg at once, then take 10 mg in the morning and 10 mg at night. And oftentimes, that's
49:35Speaker 3decreased a lot. Do you recommend that for women? Not really. Mean Never have. It's so MK is going to just flood your body with
49:43Speaker 3growth hormone release. Right? Instead of releasing impulses, it's like always on. So boom, flooding, it's gonna that will help you grow and help you build lots of muscle, but it but but the ghrelin portion of it boosts the hell out of your hunger. And so most women don't
50:17Speaker 3So, no, I don't think I've ever really told women to Like a bodybuilder type. MK-six 77 because it's more of a bulker
50:23Speaker 3underneath bulker. Plump you up a little bit. Yeah. But if you ask, there's my answer.
50:30Speaker 3That's me, isn't it? I think I am. I've had a history of breast cancer. I've been in remission for 13 years now. I'm currently on a weight loss fat stack.
50:39Speaker 3I take Retta, NAD plus, and MOTS C. I heard recently that possibly NAD and MOTS c shouldn't
50:46Speaker 3be taken with a history of cancer. Is this true? Also, I'm interested in taking Tesa for
50:51Speaker 3the belly fat loss, PT-one hundred 41 for libido and AOD. Can I take those with my cancer history? Any other peptides I should stay away from? Thank you so much for what you guys do. You rock. Whoop whoop. You okay? I mean, we get this 1, like, every time. And,
51:07Speaker 3again, this is 1 of these things, like, really mess me up. Don't think it's gonna do much. 15 years. Yeah. But, like okay. So to air on the side of caution, I do think when
51:17Speaker 3we talked to Paul Actually, like this, if this was a family member. If this was a family member, I'd say don't take any secretagogues.
51:25Speaker 3any of service. To numerous people that we have a buddy that Yeah. That we've told you we can't cancer, like, sitting in our office and, like, we literally said, dude, like, there's so much other stuff that you could take and, like but each is all man, but, like, no. We we do it. That's truly what we feel. Yep. Yeah. I wouldn't worry about I would if it was my family member, I would say I don't really care about the NAD. You can take that. MOTS-three also. PT 1 41, also AOD. Yes. You can take it because it has none of those growth effects. Right? It's just the metabolic portion of the HGH chain.
52:06Speaker 3where BPC goes and creates new blood vessels around injuries. Okay? That's why that's part of why BPC helps healing. Okay?
52:15Speaker 3is people go, oh, if it helps healing, right, then it's gonna and healing is growth. It's gonna grow everything. Right? And the most recent study of BPC has shown that BPC literally already know that it's,
52:33Speaker 3Cancer cells are not injuries. So body does not recognize those. That's not an injury. So
52:51Speaker 2so- I- Easy safe. I get frustrated when they talk like that and there's been some stuff like different people saying, I mean, you had Paul Bactiar on here and he was talking about how he spoke at a conference, and he it was a bunch of doctors, and they were challenging him on the BPC and the cancer thing. And the thing that's it sucks is that, like,
53:16Speaker 2that might happen. You don't wanna talk about the the Everest of amazing behind it. It just that frustrates me. Like, let's talk about the real culprits, which are co you know, sugars,
53:26Speaker 2seed oils, and all the shit food that are all through the grocery store. You know, let's talk about that because that's what you should worry about cancer. If you're living healthy and you're doing things right, you try to like eat a single ingredient foods for the most part and like not the crap, bright foods and the chip aisle and all that stupid crap that they get us on,
53:45Speaker 2you're gonna be good. You're gonna be a lot better than worrying about BPC. Yep. Just Yes.
53:58Speaker 2I always hear certain peptides that stack well with 1 another and cause a synergistic effect.
54:05Speaker 2I was wondering if you guys can shed some light on peptides that do not stack well with 1 another because it would be redundant
54:20Speaker 3and wanna get more bang for my buck. Good question. Good stuff. Yeah. Let me so I would not take so here's what you don't really wanna need. As far as the the secret to gogs, there's no point in taking
55:13Speaker 3The Tesamorelin probably, if you take that along with the exogenous HGH, it will not help the Tesamorelin won't help your growth hormone, but it will help target belly fat and
55:22Speaker 3the fat around visceral fat around your organs. There is still an argument for those 2 together.
55:28Speaker 3It's good. Don't know what else, what other, like anything that is really like competing for the same pathways
55:34Speaker 3that is what you wanna stay away from. Not I don't know of any baptisms that are truly, like, dangerous together, but
55:53Speaker 2tiptoe around the tirzepatide and and and and retutide because there's some cases when we've we've suggested
55:59Speaker 2people do a little bit, like, a little bit of both. Yes. Either coming off of 1 or if somebody like needs to lose a great deal of weight. We've seen a lot of
56:09Speaker 2people do well with your Zepatide just simply because of it. They kind of blocks the hunger a little bit better so you can use them in tandem a little bit, but ideally, you're gonna run right at your side and just go to the the the horse winning the race. Yep. But there's always outlier outliers. You know what I mean? But, for most part, secretagogues. Yeah. Secret you know, another 1 is I just looked at it,
56:45Speaker 3loop will have been shut down and not listening because your body has enough testosterone no matter what you do in the Kisspeptin.
57:55Speaker 3yeah, that's about all I got. Yeah. It was good. I think we answered that. Okay. You're up.
58:01Speaker 3I'm gonna need to read your sheet because my printer must have broken and didn't print all the rest of the questions if somebody's out While we're done. 2 questions. 1 for my fiance and 1 for my dad. Fiance is 30, new to peptides, and looking into them for gut health. She had severe ulcerative colitis
58:21Speaker 3Stomach is still really sensitive, upset most nights, so she wants to be able to eat more for the she's been taking KPV, BBC TB
58:35Speaker 3flare ups, and for her, that's not something to take lightly. A severe flare means a colostomy bag, which is her only remaining option. She cannot afford that risk. What would you recommend and what she would avoid? We said thymosin alpha 1 can potentially
58:52Speaker 3your immune system, but in the midst of, an autoimmune flare up taking that, it's it's been known to actually enhance that. We did not say BPC or else I didn't or never have heard that. So
59:14Speaker 2That was a good answer. I mean, that's that's it. Those what you're running, what you run is great. So I wouldn't change it. You're
59:22Speaker 2good to go. Alright. Let's close it out here because I can't even read blood glasses. Good. Alright. Let me take us home. Dad is 63. Pacemaker has been in for about 10 years.
59:47Speaker 2NAD, and SS-thirty 1, but anything that raises his heart rate is a no go. He's also starting to talk about the doc and TRT.
1:00:13Speaker 3Yeah. Right. I would just, like like, I wouldn't worry about, oh, it might raise his cholesterol if he does TRT. Like, I'd give him some. I just wouldn't go too high in any of this stuff, like, especially with TRT. Hey. I did start low. I'd go very low, but I would give him TRT. He's probably tired. Probably tired. What mean? Would
1:00:30Speaker 3give him a lot of things. Just nothing that we know, nothing that you know that directly absolutely increases heart rate. Right? Don't give him any stimulants. Don't give him don't give him Cmax.
1:00:44Speaker 3is known if you bump up too fast to increase heart rate. So let's just air on that. NAD, go low.
1:00:52Speaker 3Right? It can get a little jarring if you just do too much, but not if you if you go low and slowly, slowly titrate up. But for him, SS-31Mot
1:01:10Speaker 3And I would do TOT. And I'm telling you all this stuff because I've, like, tried to get my father on this. And Oh, really? He won't do it? He will. He will. He's just far away. And, like,
1:01:19Speaker 3it's just really hard to He's in his zone. And, like It's just really hard to even just, like, teach him the injections. And and then, like, any little thing that goes wrong, he calls me the next day like, oh, you did this to me. I'm like, alright. I'm not gonna even help you. They're just gonna blame everything. You know? That's just how he does. So Old dogs need chicks, man. Yeah. I, I think all those are good. I'm assuming that what you're saying is MOTS-nineteen 80 and SS-thirty 1 because he's probably tired. You're probably trying to get him some energy. Nothing's gonna work like the TRT.
1:01:53Speaker 2so those would work. I think that you should try those. I'm assuming his testosterone's extremely low, so Mhmm. That'll make him feel better. I'd give him some creek dogs too. Shit. I mean, his, like, his you know, it'll help against osteoporosis.
1:02:04Speaker 3Right? As we get older, your bones start to get weak. Right? Would I actually, yeah, probably just give him just straight up HGH. 100%. Oh, the 2 IU. Done. Yep. I'm getting my mother's taken that because of that reason specifically.
1:02:19Speaker 2Yep. Like, get him moving. And if he's not, take him on a walk. I don't know if you live by him or make sure they're like, get him moving, get his diet right, single ingredient foods,
1:02:34Speaker 2weak. Get him moving. Get that blood flowing. Like, get some vigor back in him, man. Resistance
1:02:54Speaker 3it'll work. Yeah. And don't worry about something that might kill him 20 years from now. Seriously.
1:03:03Speaker 2you know, we even Will and I tend to sometimes because we're talking about peptides,
1:03:14Speaker 2that stuff, man, and just get the base and then build the house. Yep. And then the peptides will work. They're expensive.
1:03:32Speaker 2can age well. We can age well in all different forms, even like Botox and skin. I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying like, there's stuff out there nowadays
1:03:44Speaker 2is to run optimal, to feel good. I wanna wake up and kick ass in my day. We have extremely busy days, and I like to be so freaking tired at the end the day where I'm just like, dude, I work my ass off. Yeah. And then I wake up and do it again, and I do not like to wake up tired.
1:04:01Speaker 2find that sweet spot, baby. And that sweet that sweet spot seems to move more when you're older. So I'm starting to Sure does. Where did that sweet spot go? Mhmm. Goddamn it. I was there 5 years. What happened? Mhmm.
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