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0:22Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
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1:13Speaker 4I was telling Bo as we were sitting down here, we had more, I think, shares on some of the posts that I had done than they even likes. That's a good thing. It means that people are just sending them to their friends and going out, but Peter Magic, what a
1:25Speaker 1cool dude. Smart man. A lot of times. Smart dude. Like, and he was born with the name Peter Magic. I know. Like, you're stoked, man.
1:33Speaker 1Born with the name of Peter Magic in the Czech Republic, which is like, that's not a very, like, Czech name, but,
1:44Speaker 1down to earth, had a great story. Like, 1 amazing story. I was starting this company when he was like 16 in his dorm room. Here's 1 question though. I did he mentioned something about
1:59Speaker 4K? And I feel like it was put him in medical school. Yeah. I think he was in medical till at 16. Okay. Okay.
2:06Speaker 4Good. That was good. I'm glad that you Okay. I was like, he's that he seemed like he's that smart. Yeah. I mean, dude, like, he's, like, leading his company's leading the way in play. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a lot of sense.
2:20Speaker 1If you think about it, like, nobody was testing for any, like, performance enhancing supplements ever.
2:27Speaker 1the product that was being sold was just garbage because everybody knew they could just make garbage Yeah. And sell it, and nobody had a way to test them. Like, the only testing was for,
2:37Speaker 1it was b to b. Right? It was for, like, big pharmaceutical brands when they make a huge batch. There was companies that would test those Thousands probably. Nobody and no individual person.
2:58Speaker 1up the game of all of the supplements that they make because now there's the fear that they might be tested and checked, which they should be. And,
3:12Speaker 4Having the foresight, though, of that, I mean, whether he, like, knew he I'm sure he didn't know where he was. He actually was like, oh, he didn't I could retire in a couple years, but I don't what are we gonna do? Yeah. And they looked as you know, I mean, like, I'm not I'm not conspiracy theorist. I know that you kind of are, and I'm
3:28Speaker 1is Appreciate it. He is not. Like, he every every answer that we asked him, it was just pure logic.
3:33Speaker 1It was like, well, this is this and, you follow the money also. You know? Blah blah blah. So I appreciated those answers. Yeah. I thought that was awesome. Zach's good stuff. He's he yeah. So he was cool. He was smart. He's down to earth. He is and they're growing, and I I thought interesting too. And he said the biggest headache that we have, the biggest problem is or is opening boxes.
3:59Speaker 1That's a lot of work, folks. If anybody's ever worked in a warehouse that has to work that open boxes, like, employees alone even usually. If everybody did some boxes, still saw it. Know what mean? Mathematic. Yeah. 1 guy gets that job. You are a box opener. Open a box opener. Open a box opener. Time. Just use your your knife and cut boxes open. So That's job. Good for him. Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah. And keeping all that stuff organized. As b also knows, because we have been doing some crazy organization,
4:27Speaker 1it's hard. Yeah. It is really hard to keep numbers and organize organization of, you know, for us,
4:33Speaker 180 different items times 3 with all unique numbers and Jeez. Shit. And he's got 1000 a day. Dude.
4:40Speaker 4Yeah. You ain't making it if you're not organized. No, you're not. Nope. Rude. So that's cool. Yeah. That's that was awesome. Everybody should watch that. Yeah. Super fun, man. So that's cool. We wanna maybe try to get some of the other testing facilities out there too just to maybe get a perspective from a different angle. Absolutely. Kinda cool. But, for the people that we have told about the Warrior Maker, get together, we wanted to announce it on all platforms because
5:04Speaker 4we're not gonna pull it off. We are Will and I are gonna be traveling a little bit over the next couple of months, and it's summer and so will you. And, it's that's just kinda low on the totem pole. We got a lot going on. So we will have it probably at the end of the summer. So if you were counting on that, which a lot of people seem to
5:20Speaker 4Oh, yeah. We will have it. We're just going to extend it till the end of summer when everybody's passed on vacations and
5:26Speaker 1all that stuff. And we want time to plan. Like, believe me, folks, like, JD really wants to do this, and I and I do too. I actually I think it's a it'll be it'll be Shake some hands. A great thing, but, like, we need to do it right. Yeah.
5:39Speaker 4not rush it together. And so yeah. And we will Will will is like unexpected things. Will for sure where it's it's great. We've talked about it 1000000 times. We're a good balance. When we were in Vegas, we just that's 1 thing that we shook hands on so to speak and said, any warrior maker product, any warrior maker, anything is
5:59Speaker 4of approval and, like, if we're it's we're not gonna do anything 0.5 assed, I guess, is the best way to say it. I would have been 0.5 assed. Uh-huh. And, we wanted to become kind of a special day. So Yep. Anyways, 20 seven's off,
6:13Speaker 1Other than that, it's a Q and A, which is everybody's favorite. Let's jump right in, my brother. Alright. You're up. We'll read 1st. So question 1. Hey, guys. I'm a male 32 years old. I've been on a Tesa
6:34Speaker 1of Ipamorelin in the morning. Never had an issue once. In the past 2 nights, night after injecting, my hands and feet became itchy and very uncomfortable, almost like pins and needles.
6:51Speaker 1I stopped taking it due to fear I'm becoming allergic to it. Have you guys heard anything like this before? And if so, what should I use to replace the Tesamorelin
7:20Speaker 1like, allergic reaction. It's a histamine reaction. Okay? So it is a reaction, but it's not like an allergic reaction to where where you are inherently born allergic to that. Yeah. Like, that that is not what's going on. What's happening is your body is sensing something that is foreign,
7:34Speaker 1and it go and this is what our body does. Right? If something's comes into our body and our body's like, woah, that isn't me on, like, a
7:43Speaker 1it says, let's get it out of me. And how it gets out is by producing histamines, right, to, well, push it out or neutralize whatever that is. So that's what you're experiencing, and it does usually happen after a little while of using it. Some people absolutely
8:02Speaker 1you know, a couple weeks. You've been doing it consistently, and then you start to get that reaction. Calm down. The good news is that it is it actually has started to gone away, and so, like, there are things your body can adapt to these things and go, alright. That okay. I can deal with this. It's normal. So the fact that you did it the 2nd the 2nd time that it happened, you didn't take Benadryl,
8:29Speaker 1is, 1st of all, let's make sure let's isolate and see what it is. Is it the Tesamorelin, or is it the Ipamorelin?
8:42Speaker 1But then again, also, you could want you to just do experiments on yourself if you want to. Right. Just just pull the Epic completely. Just do Tesa, see if we have any issues. Right? Man, vice versa.
8:58Speaker 1people who are leaner, so if you are injecting into the sub q layer and you don't have a lot of fat or you have no fat, right, these peptides are gonna hit you a lot faster, and it will have a higher chance of eliciting that reaction.
9:13Speaker 1the faster that you actually push that plunger down, right, the the more chance you're gonna get eliciting the reaction. Those injector pens that they make literally are meant for people to, like, put them in there. Hold it. And hold it for, like, 90 seconds, like, some crazy amount of time.
9:40Speaker 1If you're really lean and there's no fat and you're just putting it into that true sub q layer, then do it even I guess, inject even slower. I'm not gonna tell you don't go add a bunch of fat. That's
10:02Speaker 1everybody's body is different. Who knows? You might not get it with that. And then Sermorelin
10:27Speaker 1growth hormone releasing hormone versus growth hormone releasing peptide. Ipamorelin is a GHRP.
10:40Speaker 4The more we do this, the more people we talk to and all that, it's crazy is, everybody's
10:45Speaker 4has their peptide or sometimes peptides that happens to. Will has stuff going on with NAD. Got nothing with NAD. I don't feel anything of it at all. I've never had a problem. It doesn't even sting.
10:59Speaker 4I think the only thing that you're going be really worried about, I think this is diet, it'll die out. Like I said, your body's going get used to it,
11:05Speaker 4but if you did it a few days longer and it continued, then you can kind of pull it and it is what it is. CJC has that with a lot of people. I've told this story, but it was, we were out with some dinner with some friends recently and we talked about this because it happened with them at CJC as well, where they had a histamine response. And I I've had it where I just got, like, kinda, like, right when I injected, like, hives down my leg. I mean, it was instant. It was like, woah. That was fast.
11:38Speaker 4I was like, holy shit. I literally almost took her to the ER and I was tripping out because I'd never seen anything like that. And, you know, I got on to research some stuff really quickly.
11:47Speaker 4And if if any of that happens to anybody listening is the thing that you need to be fearful of, if you feel your throat start to close out Yeah. That means go. No. That fixed.
11:59Speaker 4antihistamine KPV helps, but, But not The point is sometimes this is just gonna happen, and there's nothing you can do about it. Your body just sometimes is gonna fight it, and I think it's just different for everybody. So I don't think it's necessarily a Tesamorelin. I would say if your objective truly is to to ride the Tesamorelin out, I bet you it gets better. But if it doesn't, you're gonna you'll know in a few days. So keep doing that. And, yeah. So what's that, man? Easy. Easy peasy. Mhmm.
12:24Speaker 4Alright. Let's see here. Couple of topics, suggestions I love to see covered. The 1st is cloudy peptides,
12:55Speaker 4and whether a slightly hazy solution is acceptable for some while others need to be completely clear. I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on this. The 2nd topic is modafinil,
13:25Speaker 4and it was great. I think that it's a great compound. It's a prescription for the most part, but it's amazing. I I use it before I took 1 before the podcast. It razor focus, man. I take 1 almost for every podcast, but that's it. If you take it too much,
13:44Speaker 4if you will. But it's great. I love it. So I think it's amazing. But if you haven't listened to that podcast, go back and listen. I think it's like 3 back. Mhmm.
13:56Speaker 4I I personally still use it. I just don't I've done it so many times. I mix a lot of different peptides and a lot of people will disagree with that. I don't, I've done it numerous times and it's not a problem for me. But yes, you need to have a to know what water goes with which, which Will is about to drop that right now. So we have that
14:26Speaker 4that we've put up there has just been insane. This guy just has just dropped just knowledge and on top of knowledge and, you
14:34Speaker 4know, most people don't don't look for it. So they want the protocols, and then they don't keep searching. But if you go on here, which Will's about to drop you, and you just go to classroom. Yep. There all that is knowledge.
14:44Speaker 1Go ahead, Will. Sure. So yes. So to answer your question, this I figured after reading this question in the beginning,
14:51Speaker 1I would show you where you can find this information because we get these questions a lot. So school this does confuse people. School is a platform
15:08Speaker 1account, then other people can join it, etcetera. So school's school is a platform. We do not own the domain there, but we have a it's peptide of the week community. We'll post the exact URL so y'all can visit it. Okay? It is free for the most part. We do have some paid tiers. But
15:23Speaker 11st question, what bacteriostatic water do we want to mix? Acetic acid, what do we know? So this
15:32Speaker 1of all, community, this is the social media posting portion, but if you go to classroom, okay, these are inside the pain tiers,
15:46Speaker 1And we have right here a peptide reconstitution guide. I have a different version for you that's bigger. That's also on there that everybody can see on here.
16:10Speaker 1Have you ever experienced any a peptide that, like, in your, like, oh, then on a regular basis, you didn't do any along the For example, like, AOD should be mixed with a different water, and sometimes I often before we started doing that, I used backwater. But but then it was then it was a bit cloudy. It was cloudy. Correctly. If you do it correctly, no. No. Of course not. So so, buddy, whoever is asking this question, right, if you mix it correctly With the right water. There with the right water. Should work. And there shouldn't be anything cloudy. If there is cloudy, maybe it's full of endotoxins. Maybe that's been degraded,
16:44Speaker 1But you shouldn't there aren't any peptides that I know of. They're like, oh, yeah, that's cloudy and that's normal. Yeah. If you're rat. Okay? So
16:51Speaker 1everything should be just do this. Majority of everything should be mixed with bacteriostatic water. K?
17:15Speaker 1in there and add it slowly in there. We've also noticed and know that if you're just blasting water in there, that can cause some issues in it. Got it. So everything
17:24Speaker 1bacteriostatic water, the things that we need to that need to be mixed with acetic acid water, not just pure acetic acid, but acetic acid bacteriostatic water are AOD9604,
17:53Speaker 1and it tells you a little bit about everything. There's sterile water. 1st of all, there is a sterile
17:57Speaker 1water and bacterial static water. Sterile water is used is only there is no benzoyl alcohol, so it should be used for 1 time use only. Something where you like mixed water and you do the entire thing now.
18:34Speaker 1Alright. I already told you that. And then there's also such thing as no sting water, right, which is NaCl, glycerol, and benzyl alcohol, and that really takes the sting away from peptides that sting you, like GHK-
18:47Speaker 1NAD for me. No, Glo Clo because it's got GHK- in there. So there is this folks, like everybody can, these resources are available to you
19:00Speaker 1And then 1st 1 was general knowledge. We also, if you'd go down here to peptide protocols,
19:11Speaker 120. So for the 5, the CJC IPA, 5 plus 5, 10 plus 5, 10 plus 10, and then look at all the other ones that are available and we're constantly adding these. Alright,
19:25Speaker 1wasn't there a 2 part question here? My Daffinil, how about this? Also guys, check it out. If we go to
19:34Speaker 1all of the podcasts of our Q and A's, all Q and A's, all of our peptide of the week, and
19:40Speaker 1all of the slide, other shit, the slide presentations that we actually give during those podcasts. And in fact, we did 1 on the. So if you go here,
20:09Speaker 1I would not take it at night, but it's actually not gonna do anything wrong to your heart. It's not like caffeine where caffeine is stimulating your heart, your heart's beating faster.
20:24Speaker 1that promotes wakefulness. I think the actual like prescription is the is it is prescribed for shift work disorder,
20:32Speaker 1which basically just means, like, if you work Maybe a double shift for 3 days in a row, I guess you're tired, and so you should take this and not be so tired,
20:42Speaker 1no anxiety. It's non habit forming, and I know this for a fact because I've taken it plenty of times. I have lots friends who've taken it and we all get addicted to everything.
20:53Speaker 1Okay. And that's you, that's what people get addicted to. So I can take those for 5 days in a row and then tomorrow just not even think about it. Yeah. And no problem. So but it is a prescription only or, if unless you can find it somewhere.
21:09Speaker 4awesome. We've given it to a couple of people that have been on the podcast. They're like, woah. Yeah. Like, you are just razor focused. So if you have, like, a big class coming up or something to study on, man, you're just razor focused. I generally take 0.5 a pill, like 100 mg,
21:23Speaker 1not in the morning on an empty stomach with coffee. That seems to be like, if I take a full pill then, it's a little too much, but
21:30Speaker 1and I can sleep no matter what. So I wouldn't suggest this, but, like, I'll take it at the end of day and be just and that will help me Wow. Wake up to the end of the day, and I don't care. I'll I'll fall asleep. 0.5 a pill. Yeah. And no even a full pill. Oh, wow. Doesn't matter. Right. I don't think it would. I would take a full pill if I'm, like, fed and it's midday and I'm actually tired. Yeah. But empty stomach 1st thing in the morning, full pill is too much for me. Go go. Nice.
21:52Speaker 4Go. There you go. Hopefully, that answers that. Check it out, man. There's so much there's so much information. People aren't even looking at it. It's just
22:05Speaker 1what blood test for males if you were looking at your TRT. Right? How to read an actual syringe.
22:21Speaker 1we do have our, like the premium Bud Play stack. So this is $25 a month and look at, and we have pre made
22:42Speaker 1So this will continue to grow and grow and grow. Men's fertility, we get asked that daily. Yeah. Pretty much. What's protocol?
23:02Speaker 1alright, we'll carry on. Was it is it a week? I thought it was a day. It was a week. Well, you can do I'm doing it once a week, splitting it into 3 3 times a week. But,
23:26Speaker 1who didn't know, and he took the HCG, did the entire did a 5000 IU bottle just in 1 injection
23:34Speaker 1So it's like, as long as you just get the stuff in you Yeah. And you can't OD on HCG. Right? It might just make your testosterone,
23:45Speaker 1you know, there is known you know, because doing that, it may help increase your estrogen a bit. So there's
23:54Speaker 1none of this stuff right here is really worrisome at all. Yeah. You can't HMG, human menopausal
24:03Speaker 1Kinda feel funny taking that because I shouldn't be trying to, I don't know, make myself go into menopause, but then again,
24:16Speaker 1Right. You're up. Hi, guys. Alright. Okay. Hi, guys. Thank you for being such a great resource
24:21Speaker 1for all of us in the community. The podcast has been a wealth of knowledge. I take 60 megs of NP desiccated thyroid
24:36Speaker 1Right now, I am also injecting AOD and ipramelein in the morning. I'm taking Tesamorelin at night as well. Everything wants to be taken in a fast state. Do I really need to carve out a chunk of time in between injecting
24:51Speaker 1Or is it fine to take them back to back as neither is likely to spike insulin? Or if it does matter, should I take the thyroid meds
25:02Speaker 1I also have a bunch of other supplements I take in the morning, but I usually wait 45 minutes to an hour after injecting, taking the thyroid meds to take dose. Morning hours are hectic, though, and I'm running out of time, spaced all these things out. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Okay, dude. So
25:25Speaker 1I wouldn't take t 3 on top of the absolute full meal, but I'm not that worried about you taking it fasted. What I am really worried about is caffeine.
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26:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay. Big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
26:23Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
26:33Speaker 2Want it that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Can get a little, like, almost, like, hypertensive feeling.
26:49Speaker 1but the fasting, not that important on the t 3. The fasting is important on, like you said, the the peptides that,
27:12Speaker 1I think that's but but the HGH ones, it does matter. Take them fasted, please. And, yes, it does matter. People say, hey. Between 90 minutes to 30 maybe even up down to, like, 30 minutes
27:25Speaker 1I've heard different people say different things. Yeah. But that's what I got. Don't even worry about the thyroid meds. I don't know what other meds you're taking, but
27:34Speaker 1those aren't, I mean, taking a thyroid med isn't negating a fast also, by the way. Like, that's not actually food. No. Is that what he was wasn't saying that, was he? I don't I'm
27:46Speaker 4I mean, I don't think I think you're I think it's great to think through it, but I don't I think you're thinking a little too much, man. I would just take if it were me, I'll just answer if it were me. I would take my medication
27:55Speaker 4and the the injections, like, right when I wake up because that's what I do. I take a lot of medications or not medications, but
28:03Speaker 4And I take them on an empty stomach because I fast a lot and I take my peptides. I don't think you gotta worry about that, my brother. Like Will said,
28:14Speaker 4or some of those, you don't need to worry about it. You're not taking those. You are taking the secretagogue and an AOD, so take it fasted.
28:21Speaker 4You're doing it you're doing it good, man. You're thinking too much. Just take it right when you wake up. Just simplify it, my brother. You've been good.
28:53Speaker 4I would assume you've gotten blood panel, but you need to do a deep plug, the blood panel, and get that stuff situated because
29:10Speaker 4a long time to Like, I just did a podcast on my other podcast about some of the stuff I've gone through personally, and I'm gonna be 49 in less than a month. And what happens, I think, for all of us is our body changes. Like, what works for a long time for us no longer works. Mhmm. And so you have to adapt. You have to Audible. And, like, when you get out of your sweet spot,
29:28Speaker 4it takes a little time to find your sweet spot again. I'm kind of in the middle of that myself.
29:35Speaker 4you need to get that situated. So focus on that. I would say do a deep dive and figure out the hormones 1st. When it comes to Tesa and
29:43Speaker 4the IGF-one, I mean, the test is gonna you raise your IGF-one anyway, so I don't think that matters. It just depends on kinda what you want. You don't really give us a lot of information. How old are you? What are your objectives? How's your diet? You don't say a whole lot, so it's really hard to answer what you should do when we don't know anything about you.
29:59Speaker 4Start with your hormones. And then obviously the typical stuff, get your base, eat right, get a lot of sleep,
30:37Speaker 1and that's a loaded question because we don't know everything else that is going on with you. Very big.
30:44Speaker 1So that's not something that actually I can I would feel comfortable even answering, but I would say you'd be wary of it, please, and go see a doctor who knows what they're doing? We can suggest some that actually do know what they are doing, and they would be better qualified to actually,
30:57Speaker 4give you that answer. We are trying, Will and I've discussed this numerous times, we're really trying to get some doctors on here that we,
31:05Speaker 4for lack of better way to say it, vet to a degree, but are just more outside of like Western medicine to the degree where it's just holistic type stuff and that type of medicine,
31:15Speaker 4because you can go to any doctor, they're everywhere, but they're going to give you a different perspective and maybe run deeper blood panels. You've heard us discuss it. So that's what we were working on another gal coming on in the next couple of weeks. That's gonna give a woman's perspective
31:30Speaker 4for the hormones. She's like the opposite of Doctor. Scott. She's for you ladies. So we're working on on getting her on. I think her name is Doctor. Wanda. I can't remember off top of my head. Think it's Doctor. Wanda. But we're getting her on for you to
31:41Speaker 4just get a different perspective from for you women and hormones and whatnot because it's extremely important equally as important for you, ladies,
31:57Speaker 11 day 1 1 day desperate for sleep. Again, review all the peptides for sleep. Tessa, DSIP,
32:04Speaker 1Batalon, and differences in which help most with falling asleep as well as staying asleep. Desperate postmenopausal
32:16Speaker 1I believe part of my issue is also anxiety, my brain not shutting down. I'm thankful for any help, and I love you guys. Always super helpful. Alright. So we'll do our best. Like, I'll give you a quick breakdown. So Epitalon
32:30Speaker 1What how it can help your sleep is it syncs up your circadian rhythm. This is important. This is actually really I mean, which is absolutely It's like rebooting you. Yeah. And for it to be and I'm sorry. I guess I don't really know what server
32:43Speaker 1Insomnia. Probably just insomnia. Does that mean, like and it can't be. Like, you're actually like a server and you work odd hours. What is cross off server? No. Sorry. But if that's the case, then the circadian rhythm thing is important. Right?
32:56Speaker 1Just means if you're used to working a job that has you working opposite of what most humans do, then getting your circadian rhythm in line is very important. So Epitalon,
33:04Speaker 1hell yes. I'd try it. I would try it for I would I would absolutely try it. Epitalon is 1 thing where you do wanna do it twice a year, 100 mg
33:28Speaker 1calm state preparing for sleep. So it does not, like, just knock you out and drool on yourself, but
33:35Speaker 1it will make it easier for you to fall asleep and to get actually to fall in and get REM sleep. So that kind of
33:46Speaker 1You know? Try up to shit. I've done, you know, 2000 micrograms, 2 mg of of DSIP and been just fine. So I'd start with maybe 0.5 a milligram, but let's see how your tolerance is.
34:11Speaker 1theoretically should help your sleep and help you get more better, restful, and repairing restorative sleep. Now, unfortunately, we have heard and that
34:22Speaker 1can sometimes do the opposite. Yeah. Base especially early on, and and you just can ride it out and it will get better. But, basically, your body is now you're taking that and your body's trying to to grow and repair. Right? It's almost like you go to the gym, work out really hard right before you go to sleep. You're tired,
34:41Speaker 1awake and like doing stuff something Yeah. That it won't really let you fall asleep. So Sermorelin
34:58Speaker 1Other than that, JD, I know you have some other, like, you struggle with some sleep, but- Yeah.
35:14Speaker 4and, that is a huge, huge problem. It's ironic that it's been popping up everywhere. That guy yesterday the guy yesterday was talking about cortisol. Absolutely. Cortisol is a beast. It will take the top seat of anything. It it'll it'll
35:29Speaker 4believe it or not. So if you're not sleeping, they generally generally speaking, this is an exact right. It's like 5 hours. But if you're getting less than 5 hours of sleep, your cortisol is most likely high.
35:39Speaker 4And what happens is generally you might fall asleep easy and then wake up like I used to at like 02:00 and be like, long, wide awake. You're not supposed to wake up at 02:00. Your cortisol is just high. For me, I think it was the social media stuff. My brain was just always going and I couldn't like, let it like stop.
35:57Speaker 4So you wanna work on cortisol. I know some of this stuff is gonna be a little woo woo, but I'm just gonna tell you that I I did a lot of reading on it to try to fix me.
36:05Speaker 4Walking on the grass, grounding is a very huge thing. We don't do it as much as we used to, walking on a beach, walking on the grass,
36:12Speaker 4sitting by a tree. Tree hugger came for a reason, like you were connected to the earth. These can really reboot your system, believe it or not. So that's the more organic
36:24Speaker 4talked about my sleeping problems for a lot, And, somebody came into my DMs and said, Here you go, man. This is gonna fix you. And dude, I'm telling you, I called my wife that day, Babe, would you give me this, this, this, this. And I took this, this, this, and this, just like he said, he even told me how much to take, and I've been sleeping 8 hours pretty much every night since. So here, let me let me lay it down for you. So magnesium,
37:12Speaker 4girl, I hope this helps you because it helped me. I dude, man, it's been I've been sleeping like a baby and I have been completely
37:31Speaker 4will literally drive you to the grave. That's how powerful they are. No joke. Like, so fix
37:40Speaker 4let me know if it works because I'm gonna be talking about it a lot because I whoever and if you are the person that recommended
37:47Speaker 4this, go into my DMs, man. I would love to talk with you and thank you because I've been passing it on to a lot of people. So good stuff. The 1 peptide I forgot was Selank. And
37:57Speaker 1how about this? We point your direction again to here where we have built already the sleep optimization stack. Sweet. Okay. So that's another thing that you can find in our, in, in our school,
38:25Speaker 1Even some like on all the others, some like research, some cited research sources, etcetera.
38:31Speaker 4I think Epitalon would be good for you because it's kinda like you're turning your phone off and rebooting it. It's gonna work better.
38:40Speaker 4Alright. Is there anything out there out there in development to stop the effects, reduce the symptoms of dementia or Alzheimer's?
38:57Speaker 4Okay. So that are, like like, something you could try. I mean, I don't think it's gonna be exact, but the Hexa, what, Semax, Selank, Canadian Pinealon, Cerebrolysin. There's a lot.
39:06Speaker 1For the most part, no. There's the answer is gonna be, like, not enough research. Absolutely not guaranteed that, like, you take these preemptively and you will not get dementia. No. But if you look at Dihexa, Penalon, Cerebrolysin. Right? Dihexa is really helping rebuild
39:40Speaker 1I would like you to do your own research on them because they work slightly differently, and and there's different protocols for each,
39:51Speaker 1those are the 3 that I would point to. Absolutely them. All 3 of them are being right now studied for dementia and Alzheimer patients.
39:59Speaker 1So there is promising research coming out that that is showing that they are they will help. And,
40:05Speaker 1proactively, but I just there's just no guarantee. There's just no guarantee. We don't even we don't know enough, and
40:12Speaker 4that's all I can give to you. Dihexa, we did a little bit of a a deep dive on that. So We did on all. Definitely try them. And then, again, let's get to the basics, man. Get some sleep.
40:23Speaker 4and, eating right. Does he say his name? Age, man. I wish he would've told us age. Age is important, but, yeah, man. Really build that base even if the house you're living in is shaky as hell, you're overweight and whatnot. Build a base. Like, restructure that sucker.
40:42Speaker 4Get your sleep like this gal, Bud, wasn't sleeping like, fix it, and then build on top of it. Some of this stuff will start to rectify. Not saying all of it, but you'll notice a big difference when you just get your base set. Promise you.
40:54Speaker 1Alright. Trying for a baby. Pregnancy questions. Hey, guys. New to the new to the peptide game and currently going back through all of your podcasts and loving them and trying to process as much as possible. Nice. We're due to to start trying to have a baby soon, and we just wanted your thoughts on any contraindications
41:19Speaker 1would you recommend coming off Tesa Ipah when pregnant? Thanks, guys. PS, due to be purchasing
41:31Speaker 1Well, good luck. I will. I hope things go well, and then they will. You just think positive.
41:48Speaker 1Did you like copper is a heavy metal, maybe light metal. It's a metal that you're introducing your body, and we don't want that breastfeeding.
42:05Speaker 4I would bet that I knew he was going to say that. So you already answered for me, but I would kind of think I can answer him when I say this. Can see if you can disagree on that. I don't think either of us really think they're changing me in our eyes is I think you're probably gonna be okay. But why screw with it? It's your baby. I was new with it. The peptides will be here when the baby's like, you know, whenever you stop breastfeeding or whatever you decide to do. Right? So,
42:27Speaker 1let the baby just be the baby, and then peptides will be here when you You are right. I actually would probably bet it would do nothing. But Whoever we're on the side of caution. Wanna be the 1 to tell you to do this thing, and then
42:45Speaker 1I screw that. To make a baby. Knows what it's doing, let it do its thing. That's right.
42:55Speaker 4how long can we run a cycle and how long should we take off? I love the benefits I get.
43:19Speaker 4Have you guys done any research on this? I've heard there's similar benefits to MK-677
43:42Speaker 4which GH would be, the better option? Thank you. That's a great question. Mhmm. That's a great question.
43:57Speaker 4read and I've done in regards to SLU-3.0 I think it's a great compound, especially for you ladies.
44:03Speaker 4Generally, you're gonna run it 3 months, give or take 90 days, and then take like a month off.
44:08Speaker 4If you bend on that, is it gonna be a problem? Of course not. I think I've even done it longer than than 90 days.
44:14Speaker 4But I have read some stuff though, if you take it too long, it starts to do the opposite.
44:19Speaker 4So just know that. And there's so many different compounds out there in regards to, like, fat burners.
44:30Speaker 45 m 1 m q. Those are just great. You got L carnitine, which is is amazing, but it takes a lot of injections.
44:37Speaker 4But there's those are amazing that you can do. When, I would start with a secretagogue.
44:52Speaker 4that change and get skewed a little bit from, I think, even when Will and I started talking years ago on growth hormone testosterone,
44:58Speaker 4and that is starting to bend backwards instead of 40, like maybe 35, but no, there's not an exact,
45:08Speaker 4Right? How do you feel? Like when it comes to testosterone, obviously blood work and stuff like that's gonna be, but I would start with secretagogue,
45:18Speaker 4Add an AOD into there. I love those 2, especially for women. Those 2 compounds together, I've seen it do rad things. And then you can add the growth hormone in later. I would say start thinking about that maybe 35. Okay.
45:41Speaker 1If you were if it were me, I don't take I wouldn't take that long off. Yeah. It'd be about, like, 2 to 4 weeks, but here's what I would do is, like, so SLU-6s, like, is an exercise mimetic.
45:53Speaker 1MOTS-1C would be so you wanna kinda schedule these peptides or or or products that you're taking
45:58Speaker 1in cycles and then have some because there's so many different ones that just kinda do very similar things. So I'd be I'd I'd run your sloop, and then when you get off of that, either, like, BAM 15,
46:10Speaker 1is a good bridge, but also MOTS-three. Right? So, like, MOTS-three, SS-thirty 1 a little bit right before it with some MOTS-three as
46:15Speaker 1that bridge, and then you could for sure take that 4 to 6 weeks off because you you were you're doing those 4 to 6 weeks. Yeah. Probably longer, hopefully. 6 to 6 to 12 weeks, actually. Then you can get back onto the sloop. Right? And just kind of plan these things in your gap. So it's not like you can come off. You gotta be off of everything.
46:35Speaker 1so, absolutely, in your thirties, secretagogues are the way to go. Now is not I just based on based on just all of these people who I have talked to. Push your limits, train with precision,
47:00Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
47:08Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
47:18Speaker 1Wanted that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. I've seen taking growth hormone like I just don't even think it's it's worth taking any exogenous growth hormone until you're at least 40 years old. I just don't see it doing anything. Right. The biggest thing what you're looking for is as we age, we're about 45 to 55,
47:54Speaker 1It's not gonna maximize the secretagogy. So at that time, it's time to give yourself real exogenous growth hormone.
48:00Speaker 1That because then you don't have to rely on pituitary. It skips that and gives you the real thing because your pituitary won't actually do
48:06Speaker 1do much. I don't care how much it's telling it to start working. It won't be that good. So I'm gonna say 45 to 50,
48:16Speaker 1but like you can take some blood tests and have a better, you know, talk to a doctor before really taking the growth hormone, make sure that a lot of your markers
48:32Speaker 1You know, the a lot of the the pro life and cortisol hunger is dose dependent on MK 6 7 7. 0, there is a new
48:39Speaker 1and I don't know much about it. It's like MK MK 0 6 7 7 that is supposed to be a lighter version. Right? She said, like, a small molecule version of MK-677.
48:53Speaker 1studied out there. I don't have much knowledge on that, but, you know, all of those side effects on MK are really dose dependent. That's why a lot of people like, if you're getting really crazy hunger, a lot of split that dose,
49:11Speaker 1K? If MK makes you tired, taking 1 big taking 20 mg at once, then take 10 mg in the morning and 10 mg at night, and oftentimes that's
49:20Speaker 1decreased a lot. Do you recommend that for women? Not really. I mean Never have. It's so MK is going to just flood your body with
49:28Speaker 1growth hormone release. Right? Instead of releasing impulses, it's like always on. So boom flooding, it's gonna that will help you grow and help you build lots of muscle, but it but but the ghrelin portion of it boosts the hell out of your hunger. And so most women don't
49:51Speaker 1but you still might just gain too much weight. It also, with that flooding, could increase,
50:02Speaker 1So, no, I don't think I've ever really told a woman to Like a bodybuilder type. MK-six 77 because it's more of a bulker underneath bulker. Plump you up a little bit. Yeah. But if you ask, there's my answer.
50:16Speaker 1That's me, ain't it? Go. I think I am. I've had a history of breast cancer. I've been in remission 13 years now. I'm currently on a weight loss fat stack.
50:36Speaker 1for the belly fat loss, p t 1 41 for libido and AOD. Can I take those with my cancer history? Any other peptides I should stay away from? Thank you so much for what you guys do. You rock. Whoop whoop. You're okay. I mean, we get this 1, like, every time. And,
50:52Speaker 1again, this is 1 of these things, like, really if you ask me, I don't think it's gonna do much. For sure. But,
51:02Speaker 1we talk to Paul like this, if this was a family member. If this was a family member, I'd say don't take any secretagogues.
51:10Speaker 1any of service. To numerous people that we have a buddy that Yeah. That we've told you we can't cancer, like, sitting in our office and, like, we literally said, dude, like, there's so much other stuff that you could take and, like but each is all men, but, like, no. We we do it. That's truly what we feel. Yep. Yeah. I wouldn't worry about I would if it was my family member, I would say I don't really care about the NAD. You can take that. MOTS-three also. PT 1 41, also AOD. Yes. You can take it because it's it has none of those growth effects. Right? It's just the metabolic portion of the HGH chain.
51:51Speaker 1where BPC goes and creates new blood vessels around interest. Okay. That's why that's part of why BPC helps healing. Okay?
52:00Speaker 1is people go, oh, well, if it helps healing, right, then it's gonna and healing is growth. It's gonna grow everything, right? The most recent study of BPC has shown that BPC literally, we already know that it's,
52:18Speaker 1Cancer cells are not injuries. So body does not recognize those. That's not an injury. So
52:37Speaker 4so I keeps you safe. I get frustrated when they talk like that and there's been some stuff like different people saying, I mean, you had Paul Bakhtior on here and he was talking about how he spoke at a conference, and he it was a bunch of doctors, and they were challenging him on the BPC and the cancer thing. And the thing that's it sucks is that, like, there's
53:01Speaker 4that might happen. You don't wanna talk about the the Everest of amazing behind it. It just that frustrates me. Like, let's talk about the real culprits, which are co you know, sugars,
53:11Speaker 4seed oils, and all the shit food that are all through the grocery store. You know, let's talk about that because that's what you should worry about cancer. If you're living healthy
53:20Speaker 4and you're doing things right, you try to like eat, you know, single ingredient foods for the most part and like not the crap, bright foods and the chip aisle and all that stupid crap that they get us on,
53:31Speaker 4you're gonna be good. You're gonna be a lot better than worrying about BPC. Yep. Just Yes.
53:50Speaker 4I was wondering if you guys can shed some light on peptides that do not stack well with 1 another because it would be redundant
54:05Speaker 1and wanna get more bang for my buck. Good question. Good stuff. Yeah. Let me so would not take so here's what you don't really wanna need. As far as the the secretagogues,
54:58Speaker 1The Tesamorelin probably, if you take that along with the exogenous HGH, it will not help. Tesamorelin won't help your growth hormone, but it will help target belly
55:06Speaker 1fat and the fat around visceral fat around your organs. So there is still an argument for those 2 together.
55:13Speaker 1Yeah. It was good either. I don't know. What else what other like, anything that is really, like, competing for the same pathways,
55:20Speaker 1that is what you wanna stay away from. Not I don't know of any baptisms that are truly, like, dangerous together, but
55:38Speaker 4tiptoe around the tirzepatide and and and and retirzepatide because there's some cases when we've we've suggested people do a little bit like a little bit of both, either coming off of 1 or if somebody like needs to lose a great deal of weight. We've seen
55:54Speaker 4people do well with Herzepatide just simply because of it, it kind of blocks the hunger a little bit better so you can use them in tandem a little bit, but ideally you're gonna run right at your side and just go to the the the horse winning the race. Yep. But there's always out layer outliers. You know what I mean? But, for the most part, secretagogues.
56:30Speaker 1loop will have been shut down and not listening because your body has enough testosterone no matter what you do in the Kisspeptin.
56:52Speaker 1Yeah. Yeah. Now I would take either of those, Glow and Clow, and then more TB and BPC because I do think more is better
57:01Speaker 1when it comes to those. Good. And you do and and it's absolutely okay to take even more of those because you don't just wanna take a higher amount of Glow and Clow because you can't your body can't handle that much copper at once.
57:24Speaker 11 and 2. I wouldn't take those together. Right. Pick 1, and I would choose Melanotan 1.
57:46Speaker 1Gonna need to read your sheet because my printer must've broken and didn't print all the rest of the questions if somebody's out While we're done, 2 questions. 1 for my fiance and 1 for my dad. Fiance is 30, new to peptides, and looking into them for gut health. She had severe ulcerative colitis led to removal over her large intestine.
58:06Speaker 1Stomach is still really sensitive, upset most nights, so she wants to be able to eat more. She's been taking KPV, BBC TB
58:16Speaker 1A big concern is that 1 of you mentioned BBC can worsen autoimmune, though it didn't autoimmune flare ups. And for her, that's not something to take lightly. A severe flare means a colostomy bag, which is her only remaining option. She cannot afford that risk. What would you recommend and what she would avoid? We said thymosin alpha 1 can potentially
58:37Speaker 1your immune system, but in the midst of, an autoimmune flare up taking that, it's it's been known to actually enhance that. We did not say BPC or else I didn't or never have heard that. So
59:00Speaker 4K. That was a good answer. I mean, that's that's it. Those what you're running what she runs are great. So I wouldn't change it. You're
59:07Speaker 4good to go. Alright. Let's close it out here because I can't even read blood glasses. Good. Alright. Let me take us home. Dad is 63. Pacemaker has been in for about 10 years.
59:32Speaker 4NAD, and SS-thirty 1, but anything that raises his heart rate is a no go. He's also starting to talk about the doc and TRT.
59:59Speaker 1Yeah. Right. I would just, like like, I wouldn't worry about, oh, it might raise his cholesterol if he does TRT. Like, I'd give him some. I just wouldn't go too high on any of this stuff, like, especially with TRT. I I did start low. I'd go very low, but I would give him TRT. He's probably tired. He's probably tired. I would him I would give him a lot of things. Just nothing that we know. Nothing that you know that directly absolutely increases heart rate. Right? Don't give him any stimulants. Don't give him don't give him Cmax. Mean, I I can't really think of many. It's true stimulant peptides.
1:00:29Speaker 1is known if you bump up too fast to increase heart rate. So let's just air on that. NAD, go low.
1:00:37Speaker 1Right? It can get a little jarring if you just do too much, but not if you if you go low and slowly, slowly titrate up. But for him, SS-31MOTS-1.1,
1:00:55Speaker 1and I would do TOT. And I'm telling you all this stuff because I've, like, tried to get my father on this. And Oh, really? He won't do that. He will. He will. He's just far away. Like,
1:01:04Speaker 1it's just really hard to He's in his zone. And, like It's just really hard to even just, like, teach him the injections. And and then, like, any little thing that goes wrong, he calls me the next day like, oh, you did this to me. I'm like, alright. I'm not gonna even help you. I'm just gonna blame everything. You know? That's just how he is. Old dogs need tricks, man. Yeah.
1:01:23Speaker 4I, I think all those are good. I'm assuming that what you're saying is MOTS, NAD, and SS 31 because he's probably tired. You're probably trying to get him some energy. Nothing's gonna work like the TRT.
1:01:37Speaker 4And, so those would work. I think that you should try those. I'm assuming his testosterone's extremely low, so Mhmm. That'll make him feel better. I'd give him a secreta dogs too. Shit. I mean, his, like, his you know, it'll help against osteoporosis.
1:01:49Speaker 1Right? As we get older, your bones start to get weak. Right? I would actually yeah. I'd probably just give him just straight up HGH. 100%. Oh, 2 IU. Done. Yep. I'm getting my mother's taking that because of that reason specifically.
1:02:04Speaker 4Yep. Like, get him moving. And if he's not, take him on a walk. I don't know if you live by him or make sure they're like, get him moving, get his diet right, single ingredient foods,
1:02:15Speaker 4resistance training. I don't know what your dad looks like if he's weak and he's if he's not weak. Get him moving.
1:02:28Speaker 4should be doing it. Doesn't matter. Yes. Absolutely. You can squat with nothing. Yes. You know I mean? Like,
1:02:40Speaker 1it'll work. Yeah. And don't worry about something that might kill him 20 years from now. Seriously.
1:02:59Speaker 4That stuff, man. And just get the base and then build the house. Yep. And then the peptides will work because they're expensive.
1:03:17Speaker 4can age well. We can age well in all different forms, even like Botox and skin. I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying, like, there's stuff out there nowadays
1:03:30Speaker 4to feel good. I wanna wake up and kick ass in my day. We have extremely busy days, and I like to be so freaking tired at the end of the day where I'm just like, dude, I work my ass off. Yeah. And then I wake up and do it again, and I do not like to wake up tired.
1:03:46Speaker 4find that sweet spot, baby. And that sweet that sweet spot seems to move more when you're older. So I'm starting to Sure does. Where did that sweet spot go? Mhmm. Goddamn it. I was there 5 years. What happened?
1:03:58Speaker 4Father time, he gets us all up. But remember, no no on the June 27. We apologize for that, and, we will make it up to you. We'll make it real nice. We literally
1:04:08Speaker 4want to shake some hands and just meet some of the people. You you guys ride in, man, and always are so gracious and so kind, and we'd love to shake some of hands and just meet you. So it's cool. So good stuff. But other than that,
1:04:21Speaker 4I don't know what the pep title of the week will be, but we'll be quietly courting it on Thursday or Friday,
1:04:26Speaker 1and we'll catch you then. Yep. Check out the school, guys, for there's more information there too. Later.