Peptide Q&A #44 – Cloudy Peptides, Histamine Reactions, Sleep Stack & Stacking Mistakes Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-44-cloudy-peptides-histamine-reactions-sleep-stack-stacking-mistakes/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:00 Speaker 0: Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. At Equinox, that's high performance loving. 0:06 Speaker 0: Iconic spaces that inspire. 0:08 Speaker 0: Personal training backed by real data, unlimited group fitness classes from yoga and pilates to strength and conditioning. 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The other one's awesome. That we had made a lot of waves out in the social media world. 1:28 Speaker 2: I was telling Bo as we were sitting down here, we had more, I think, shares on some of the posts that I had done than they even likes. That's a good thing. It means that people are just sending them to their friends and going out. But Peter Magic, what a 1:40 Speaker 3: cool dude. Smart man. A lot of times. Smart dude. Like, I don't and he was born with the name Peter Magic. I know. Like, you're stoked, man. 1:49 Speaker 3: Born with the name of Peter Magic in the Czech Republic, which is like, that's not a very, like, Czech name, but, 1:55 Speaker 3: and it's magic. So I don't know. So but he was awesome. He was smart, 1:59 Speaker 3: down to earth, had a great story. Like, 1 amazing story. Was starting this company when he was like 16 in his dorm room. Here's 1 question though. I did he mentioned something about 2:09 Speaker 3: he told a story about somebody, 2:11 Speaker 3: he's like, in in medical school. 2:14 Speaker 3: Okay? And I feel like it was put him in medical school. Yeah. I think he was in medical till at 16. Okay. Right. 2:21 Speaker 2: Good. That was good. I'm glad that you okay. I was like, he's that he seems like he's that smart. Yeah. I mean, dude, like, he's like leading 2:28 Speaker 3: his company's leading the way in play. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a lot comments. A lot of sense. He also I mean, he basically, like, revolutionalized 2:35 Speaker 3: if you think about it, like, nobody was testing for any, like, performance enhancing supplements ever. Right? So 2:41 Speaker 3: the product that was being sold was just garbage because everybody knew they could just make garbage and sell it, and nobody had a way to test them. Like, the only testing was for, 2:51 Speaker 3: big it was b 2 b. Right? It was for, like, big pharmaceutical brands when they make a huge batch. There was companies that would test those, but nobody and no individual person. 3:01 Speaker 3: And so he is the 1st person who actually started allowing individuals to test, 3:06 Speaker 3: and that has single handedly, obviously, grown into grown into where we are today, but also single handedly just made everybody 3:13 Speaker 3: up the game of all of the supplements that they make because now there's the fear that they might be tested and checked, which they should be. And, 3:22 Speaker 3: yeah, who knows? Probably saved a lot of lives and saved a lot of gyno from people. And 3:27 Speaker 2: Having the foresight, though, of that, I mean, whether he, like, knew he I'm sure he didn't know where he was. He actually just, like, could retire in a couple years, but I don't what am I gonna do? Yeah. And they looked as you know, I mean, like, I'm not I'm not conspiracy 3:40 Speaker 3: theorists. I know that you kind of are, and I'm 3:43 Speaker 3: is Tushed. He is not. Like, even every every answer that we asked him, it was just pure logic. It was like, well Scientist. This is this and, you know, follow the money also. You know? Blah blah blah. So I appreciated those answers. Yeah. I thought that was awesome. Exactly. Good stuff. He's he yeah. So he was cool. He was smart. He's down to earth. He's in there growing, and I I thought interesting too. And he said the biggest headache that we have, the biggest problem is is opening boxes. 4:09 Speaker 3: You try and think about it. Be like Thousand boxes. 1000 boxes a day. 4:14 Speaker 3: That's a lot of work, folks. If anybody's ever worked in a warehouse that has to work that open boxes, like, employees alone, I even use it. If everybody did some boxes, we still saw it. You know what I mean? Mathematic. Yeah. 1 guy gets that job. Absolutely. Are a box opener. Open a box opener. Open a box opener. Time. Just use your your knife and cut boxes open. So That's your job. Good for him. Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah. And keeping all that stuff organized. As b also knows, because we have been doing some crazy organization, 4:42 Speaker 3: it's hard. Yeah. It is really hard to keep numbers and organize organization of, you know, for us, 80 different items times 3 with all unique numbers and Jeez. Holy shit. And he's got 1000 a day. Dude. 4:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. You ain't making it if you're not organized. No. You're not. No. Rude. So that's cool. Yeah. That's that was awesome. Everybody should watch that. Yeah, super fun, man. So that's cool. We wanna maybe try to get some of the other testing facilities out there too just to maybe get a perspective from a different angle. Absolutely. Kinda cool. But, for the people that we have told about the Warrior Baker, get together, we wanted to announce it on all platforms because 5:19 Speaker 2: we're not gonna pull it off. We are Will and I are gonna be traveling a little bit over the next couple months, 5:24 Speaker 2: and it's summer and so will you, and, it's that's just kinda low on the totem pole. We got a lot going on. So we will have it probably the end of the summer. So if you were counting on that, which a lot of people seem to 5:35 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. We will have it. We're just going to extend it till the end of summer when everybody's passed on vacations and all that stuff. And we want time to plan. Like, believe me, folks, JD really wants to do this, and I and I do too. I actually I think it's a it'll be it'll be Shake some hands. Great people. Like, we need to do it right. Yeah. 5:54 Speaker 2: And not rush it together. And so, yeah. And we all have that aspect of things. Will for sure where it's it's great. We've talked about it 1000000 times. We're a good balance. When we were in Vegas, we just that's 1 thing that we shook hands on so to speak and said, any warrior maker product, any warrior maker, anything is 6:11 Speaker 2: top of the line. It's gonna be stamped 6:14 Speaker 2: of approval. And like if we're it's we're not gonna do anything 0.5 assed, I guess, is is the best way to say it. I would have been 0.5 assed. Uh-huh. And, we want it to become kind of a special day. So Yep. Anyways, 20 seven's off, 6:24 Speaker 2: but it will be at the end of the summer, we promise. Yep. 6:28 Speaker 3: Other than that, it's a Q and A, which is everybody's favorite. Let's jump right in, my brother. Alright. You're up. And I will read 1st. So question 1. Hey, guys. I'm a male 32 years old. I've been on a Tesa 6:39 Speaker 3: for a few months. Now I've been doing 2 mgs a night 6:42 Speaker 3: with, 6:43 Speaker 3: 250 6:44 Speaker 3: micrograms of Ipamorelin. 6:46 Speaker 3: Also, 250 mill micrograms 6:49 Speaker 3: of Ipamorelin in the morning. Never had an issue once. The past 2 nights, night after injecting, my hands and feet became itchy and very uncomfortable, almost like pins and needles. 6:58 Speaker 3: The night prior, I took 0.5 of a Benadryl, and it stopped. Tonight, it stopped after 10 minutes on its own without a Benadryl. 7:06 Speaker 3: I stopped taking it due to fear and becoming allergic to it. Have you guys heard anything like this before? And if so, what should I use to replace the Tesamorelin 7:16 Speaker 3: in my stack? Also currently on Retta 2.5 mg twice a week. 7:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. 7:22 Speaker 3: Alright. 7:23 Speaker 3: I will I will give you my best answer here. So, 7:27 Speaker 3: 1st thing, yes, absolutely, you've heard about this. This you are this is very this is common. 7:33 Speaker 3: It's not an absolute, 7:34 Speaker 3: like, allergic reaction. It's a histamine reaction. Okay? So it is a reaction, but it's not like an allergic reaction to where where you are inherently born allergic to that. Yeah. Like, that that is not what's going on. What's happening is your body is sensing something that is foreign, 7:49 Speaker 3: and it go and this is what our body does. Right? If something's comes into our body and our body's like, woah, that isn't me on, a 7:56 Speaker 3: molecular 7:57 Speaker 3: level, 7:58 Speaker 3: it says, let's get it out of me. And how it gets out is by producing histamines, right, to, well, push it out or neutralize whatever that is. So that's what you're experiencing, 8:08 Speaker 3: and it does usually happen after a little while of using it. Some people absolutely 8:12 Speaker 3: it happens the 1st time they ever use it, but more often than not, it's after, 8:17 Speaker 3: you know, a couple weeks. You've been doing it consistently, and then you start to get that reaction. Compounded. The good news is that it is it actually has started to gone away. And so, like, there are things your body can adapt to these things and go, alright. That okay. I can deal with this. It's normal. So the fact that you did it the 2nd the 2nd time that it happened, you didn't take a Benadryl and it stopped earlier 8:38 Speaker 3: is a good sign. Your body might be, 8:41 Speaker 3: leveling out on it. What I would do, though, 8:44 Speaker 3: is 1st of all, let's make sure let's isolate and see what it is. Is it the Tesamorelin, or is it the Ipamorelin? 8:50 Speaker 3: And maybe you can ask yourself those questions about, 8:53 Speaker 3: either 8:54 Speaker 3: at what time you notice this reaction happening. 8:57 Speaker 3: But then again, also, you could want you to just do experiments on yourself if you want to. Right? Just just pull the Epic completely. Just do Tesa, see if we have any issues. Right? Man, vice versa. 9:09 Speaker 3: 1 9:10 Speaker 3: thing I do know that is if 9:13 Speaker 3: people who are leaner so if you are injecting into the sub q layer and you don't have a lot of fat or you have no fat, right, these peptides are gonna hit you a lot faster, and it will have a higher chance of eliciting that reaction. 9:27 Speaker 3: Also, 9:28 Speaker 3: the faster that you actually push that plunger down, right, the the more chance you're gonna get eliciting the reaction. Those injector pens that they make literally are meant for people to, like, put them in there. Hold it. And hold it for, like, 90 seconds, like, some crazy amount of time. 9:43 Speaker 3: So it's super slowly goes in and and minimizes any type of reaction. So 9:49 Speaker 3: 1 thing to try is, like, do a super duper duper duper slow injection. 9:55 Speaker 3: If you're really lean and there's no fat and you're just putting it into that true sub q layer, then do it even I guess, inject even slower. I'm not gonna tell you don't go add a bunch of fat. That's 10:06 Speaker 3: all I got. Now what you said was 10:08 Speaker 3: the only thing is I would potentially replace it with is CJC-twelve 10:11 Speaker 3: 95, 10:12 Speaker 3: although that 1 seems to Be worse. Be worse, 10:16 Speaker 3: but 10:17 Speaker 3: everybody's body is different. Who knows? You might not get it with that. And then Sermorelin is the other 1 to potentially replace it with. Okay? Because those 3 are all the 10:27 Speaker 3: those are the only 3 10:29 Speaker 3: reasonably good GHRHs 10:32 Speaker 3: that anybody should should be taking. So 10:34 Speaker 3: Tessa, 10:35 Speaker 3: Sermorelin, 10:36 Speaker 3: CJC, 12 95, all do the same thing. They're all GHR HOs 10:41 Speaker 3: versus GHRPs, 10:42 Speaker 3: growth hormone releasing hormone versus growth hormone releasing peptide. Ipamorelin is a GHRP. 10:48 Speaker 3: That's what I got. Yeah. 10:50 Speaker 3: Happens to all of us, I think, at 1 point. 10:55 Speaker 3: The more we do this, the more people we talk to and all that, it's crazy is everybody's 11:00 Speaker 3: has their peptide or sometimes peptides that happens to. We'll have stuff going on with NAD. I got nothing with NAD. I don't feel anything of it at all. I've never had a problem with his name sting. 11:11 Speaker 3: A lot of people like that. It's at the GHK- 11:14 Speaker 3: I think the only thing that you're going be really worried about, I think this is diet, it'll die out. Like, so your body's going to get used to it. 11:20 Speaker 2: But if you did it a few days longer and it continued, then you can kind of pull it and it is what it is. CJC has that with a lot of people. I've told this story, but it was, we were out with some dinner with some friends recently and we talked about this because it happened with them at CJC as well, where they had a histamine response. And I I've had it where I just got, like, kinda, like, right when I injected, like, hives down my leg. I mean, it was instant. It was like, woah. That was fast. With my my wife, 11:47 Speaker 2: it got so bad where her lips plumped up to like this big. And 11:52 Speaker 2: I was like, Holy shit. I literally almost took her to the ER and I was tripping out because I'd never seen anything like that. And, you know, I got on to research some stuff really quickly. 12:02 Speaker 2: And if if you any of that happens to anybody listening is the thing that you need to be fearful of, if you feel your throat start to close out Yeah. That means go. No. That fixed. 12:12 Speaker 2: Obviously, have an antihistamine and KPV helps, but, But not The point is sometimes this is just gonna happen, and there's nothing you can do about it. Your body just sometimes is gonna fight it, and I think it's just different for everybody. So I don't think it's necessarily Tesamorelin. 12:26 Speaker 2: I would say if your objective truly is to to ride the Tesamorelin out, I bet you it gets better. But if it doesn't, you end you'll know in a few days. So keep doing that. And, yeah. So what's that, man? Easy. Easy peasy. Mhmm. 12:39 Speaker 2: Alright. Let's see here. Couple of topics, suggestions I'd love to see covered. The 1st is cloudy peptides, which has been a recurring issue for me, 12:49 Speaker 2: even when using a Hispora bacteriostatic 12:53 Speaker 2: water 12:54 Speaker 2: at room temperature and following 12:56 Speaker 2: proper reconstitution 12:57 Speaker 2: protocols, 12:59 Speaker 2: I'm still ending up with cloudy or hazy solutions. 13:02 Speaker 2: I'd love some clarity on whether 13:05 Speaker 2: acetate acid is required for certain peptides 13:10 Speaker 2: and whether a slightly hazy solution is acceptable for some while others 13:14 Speaker 2: need to be completely clear. I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on this. The 2nd topic is modafinil, 13:21 Speaker 2: a general overview of the compound 13:24 Speaker 2: it uses and any important considerations 13:26 Speaker 2: would be greatly appreciated. 13:28 Speaker 2: So, 13:29 Speaker 2: yes, 13:31 Speaker 2: I'll take it. So modafinil, we just did that. I don't know if you wrote this beforehand, 13:36 Speaker 2: but we just did a 13:38 Speaker 2: podcast 13:39 Speaker 2: on the Daffinil, and it was great. I think that it's a it's a great compound. 13:43 Speaker 2: It's a prescription for the most part, but, it's amazing. I I I use it before I took 1 before the podcast. It razor focus, man. I take 1 almost for every podcast, but that's it. If you take it too much, 13:55 Speaker 2: it doesn't work as good, and I like it to work as good, so I use it sparingly, 13:58 Speaker 2: if you will, but it's great. I love it. So I think it's amazing. But if you haven't listened to that podcast, go back and listen. I think it's like 3 back. Mhmm. 14:06 Speaker 2: And when it comes to, like, cloudy water, 14:10 Speaker 2: that happens. 14:11 Speaker 2: I I personally still use it. I just don't I've done it so many times. I mix a lot of different peptides, and a lot of people will disagree with that. I don't. I've done it numerous times and it's not a problem for me. 14:23 Speaker 2: But yes, you needed to have a to know what water goes with which, which Will is about to drop that right now. So we have that 14:31 Speaker 2: kind of going on. And we have, for those that don't know, 14:35 Speaker 2: we have a platform 14:38 Speaker 2: on school and the amount of information 14:41 Speaker 2: that we've put up there has just been insane. This guy just has just dropped just knowledge and on top of knowledge and, 14:49 Speaker 2: you know, most people don't don't look for it. So they want the protocols, and then they don't keep searching. But if you go on here, which Will's about to drop you and you just go to classroom Yep. There all that is knowledge. 14:59 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Will. Show me the yes. So to answer your question, this I figured after reading this question in the beginning, 15:06 Speaker 3: I would show you where you can find this information because we get these questions a lot. So school this does confuse people. School is a platform 15:14 Speaker 3: where different companies can kind of can create, 15:18 Speaker 3: their 15:19 Speaker 3: an informational, almost like social media 15:23 Speaker 3: account, then other people can join it, etcetera. So schools school is a platform. We do not own the domain there, but we have a it's peptide of the week community. We'll post the exact URL so y'all can visit it. Okay? It is free for the most part. We do have some paid tiers. But 15:38 Speaker 3: 1st question, what bacteriostatic water do we wanna mix? Acetic acid, what do we know? So this 15:44 Speaker 3: is what our school looks like. Okay. 15:47 Speaker 3: 1st of all, community, this is the social media posting portion, but if you go to classroom, okay, these are inside the paid tiers, 15:55 Speaker 3: but 15:57 Speaker 3: general knowledge. 15:59 Speaker 3: Okay. 16:01 Speaker 3: And we have right here a peptide reconstitution guide. I have a different version for you that's bigger, that's also on there that everybody can see on here. 16:11 Speaker 3: So the quick answer so the answer to your question here. 16:15 Speaker 3: So this is on there, but acetic acid with so 1st of all, the cloudy peptides. 16:21 Speaker 3: I don't think that any peptide should be cloudy. 16:25 Speaker 3: Have you ever experienced any a peptide that, like, in your, like, oh, on a regular basis, you didn't do any Yeah. For example, like, AOD should be mixed with a different water, and sometimes I've often before we start doing that, I used backwater. But but then it was then it was a little bit cloudy. But It was cloudy. Correctly. If you do it correctly, no. No. Of course not. So so, buddy, whoever is asking this question, right, 16:47 Speaker 3: you mix it correctly With the right water. There with the right water Should work. And there shouldn't be anything cloudy. If there is cloudy, maybe it's full of endotoxins. Maybe that's been degraded, 16:57 Speaker 3: etcetera. 16:59 Speaker 3: But you shouldn't there aren't any peptides that I know of. They're like, oh, yeah. That's cloudy and that's normal. Yeah. If you're a rat. Okay? So 17:06 Speaker 3: everything should be just do this. Majority of everything should be mixed with bacteriostatic water. K? 17:12 Speaker 3: And but I would add 17:15 Speaker 3: room temp bacteriostatic water. A lot of this temperature shock 17:19 Speaker 3: can make, like, Tesamorelin cloud up and get and gel up. K? 17:24 Speaker 3: So 17:26 Speaker 3: just safely keep peptides in the refrigerator, but add room temp water in there and add it slowly in there. We've also noticed and know that if you're just blasting water in there, that can cause some issues in it. So everything 17:39 Speaker 3: bacteriostatic water, the things that we need to that need to be mixed with acetic acid water, not just pure acetic acid, but acetic acid bacteriostatic water are AOD 9 6 0 4, 17:49 Speaker 3: HGH 17:50 Speaker 3: frag 1 76 to 1 91, 17:53 Speaker 3: and SLU-. So you p p 17:57 Speaker 3: yeah. P p 3 3 2. Thank you. 332. 18:00 Speaker 3: So those 3, 18:02 Speaker 3: you should mix with acetic acid water. 18:05 Speaker 3: This guide 18:06 Speaker 3: tells you that, and it tells you a little bit about everything. There's sterile water. 1st of all, there is a difference between sterile water and bacterial static water. Sterile water is used is only there is no benzoyl alcohol, so it should be used for 1 time use only. Something where you like mixed water and you do the entire thing now. 18:23 Speaker 3: Bacterial static water has benzyl alcohol added into it. This works for 99.9% 18:29 Speaker 3: of all peptides, 18:31 Speaker 3: except for 18:32 Speaker 3: SLU-3AOD 18:33 Speaker 3: HGH FRAG. 19:15 Speaker 3: 1st 1 was general knowledge. We also, if you'd go down here to peptide protocols, 19:21 Speaker 3: this is what each protocol like this is for CJC, 19:24 Speaker 3: 10 mg, 15, 19:26 Speaker 3: 20. So for the 5, the CJC IPA, 5 plus 5, 10 plus 5, 10 plus 10, and then look at all the other ones that are available and we're constantly adding these. Alright? The next question 19:40 Speaker 3: wasn't her 2 part question. How 19:42 Speaker 3: about this? Also guys, check it out. If we go to 19:46 Speaker 3: Buckins. Our home screen, we also have 19:49 Speaker 3: all of the podcasts of our Q and As, all Q and As, all of our peptide of the week, and 19:55 Speaker 3: all of the slide other shit the slide presentations that we actually give during those podcasts. And in fact, we did 1 on modafinil. So if you go here, 20:04 Speaker 3: this will show you the whole slideshow that we did, on modafinil, 20:09 Speaker 3: and we'll give you every little bit of answer that you want. Yeah. 20:13 Speaker 3: There's that. Now the quick answer, dude, modafinil is a prescription drug. K? 20:17 Speaker 3: It is a it's a 20:20 Speaker 3: it's not a heart stimulant, but it's a brain stimulant. And therefore, 20:24 Speaker 3: I would not take it at night, but it's actually not gonna do anything wrong to your heart. It's not like caffeine, where caffeine is stimulating your heart, your heart's beating faster. 20:33 Speaker 3: I would drink a lot of water with it, but it is a prescription 20:37 Speaker 3: drug that works on your neurotransmitters 20:39 Speaker 3: that promotes wakefulness. I think the actual like prescription is the is it is prescribed for shift work disorder, 20:47 Speaker 3: which basically just means, like, if you work a double shift for 3 days in a row, guess you're tired, and so you should take this and not be too tired. I 20:53 Speaker 3: guess. But take it if and it gives you helps with razor focus, no anxiety. It's non habit forming. And I know this for a fact because I've taken it plenty of times. I have lots of friends who've taken it and we all get addicted to everything. 21:05 Speaker 3: Seriously. Because it does not provide any euphoria. 21:08 Speaker 3: Okay. And that's you, that's what people get addicted to. So I can take those for 5 days in a row and then tomorrow just not even think about it. Yep. And no problem. So but it is a prescription only or if unless you can find it somewhere. 21:20 Speaker 2: It is literally 21:22 Speaker 2: like the the focus you get is definitely awesome. We've given it to a couple of people that have been on the podcast. They're like, woah. Yeah. Like, you are just razor focused. So if you have, like, a big class coming up or something to study on, man, you're just razor focused. I generally take 0.5 a pill, like, 100 mg, 21:38 Speaker 3: not in the morning on an empty stomach with coffee. That seems to be like, if I take a full pill then, it's a little too much. But 21:45 Speaker 3: and I can sleep no matter what. So I wouldn't suggest this, but, like, I'll take it at the end of the day and be just and that will help me Wow. Wake up to the end of day and I don't care. I'll I'll fall asleep. 0.5 a pill. Yeah. And no even a full pill. Oh, wow. Doesn't matter. But I don't think it would. I would take a full pill if I'm, like, fed and it's midday and I'm actually tired. Yeah. But empty stomach 1st thing in the morning, full pill is too much for me. No go? Nice. Anyway 22:07 Speaker 2: Go. There you go. Hopefully, the answer is that. Check it out, man. There's so much there's so much information. People aren't even looking at it. It's Yeah. Yep. Just loaded with 22:17 Speaker 3: Right. Stuff to check out. TLB, it's it's what blood test for males if you were looking at your TRT. Right? How to read an actual syringe. 22:26 Speaker 3: Good basic stuff, right? That are like valid questions, literally. 22:31 Speaker 3: Protocols, blood analysis, 22:33 Speaker 3: and then yes, all of our podcasts and 22:36 Speaker 3: we do have our, like the premium Bud Play Sacks. So this is $25 a month and look at, and we have pre made 22:43 Speaker 3: stacks, anti aging, 22:45 Speaker 3: cognitive optimization, 22:46 Speaker 3: elite performance, immunity, anti inflammation, long COVID, 22:50 Speaker 3: men's fertility, men's TRT, muscle optimization. 22:54 Speaker 3: And we're adding 1. We're adding 2 a week, by the way. 22:57 Speaker 2: So this will continue to grow and grow and grow. Men's fertility, we get asked that daily. Yeah. Pretty much. What's protocol? 23:05 Speaker 3: You can find it. And, 23:08 Speaker 3: I am doing this right now. 23:11 Speaker 3: HMG is a little expensive, folks. Yeah. Gotta do 75 IUs a week. So anyway, 23:17 Speaker 3: alright. We will carry on. Oh, is it is it a week? I thought it was a day. Is it a week? Well, you can do I'm doing it once a week, splitting it into 3 3 times a week. But, 23:25 Speaker 2: yeah, 23:26 Speaker 2: HCG. What do you run on HCG? 1000? I'm doing 1500, 23:30 Speaker 3: IUs. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Sweet. No. 25 23:34 Speaker 3: megs of Enclomiphene daily. 23:36 Speaker 3: Dude, I mean, here's the thing. Like, with all of these, I know somebody 23:41 Speaker 3: who didn't know, and he took the HCG, did the entire did a 5000 IU bottle just in 1 injection 23:46 Speaker 3: and 23:47 Speaker 3: got his wife pregnant, like, a month later. So it's like, as long as you just get the stuff in you Yeah. And you can't OD on HCG. Right? It might just make your testosterone, 23:57 Speaker 3: I don't know, grow a little much. Yeah. But, 24:00 Speaker 3: you know, there is known you know, because doing that, it may help increase your estrogen a bit. So there's 24:06 Speaker 3: that's to think about and kind of worry about, but 24:09 Speaker 3: none of this stuff right here is really worrisome at all. Yeah. You can't HMG, human menopausal 24:16 Speaker 3: gonadotropin. 24:18 Speaker 3: Kinda feel funny taking that because I shouldn't be trying to, I don't know, make myself go into menopause, but then again, 24:25 Speaker 3: I'm the worst. So 24:27 Speaker 3: it's okay. Alright. So, well, let's carry on because that is here for you, folks. 24:31 Speaker 3: Right. You're up. Hi, guys. Alright. Okay. Hi, guys. Thank you for being such a great resource 24:36 Speaker 3: for all of us in the community. The podcast has been a wealth of knowledge. I take 60 24:41 Speaker 3: of NP desiccated 24:43 Speaker 3: thyroid in the morning as well as 30 of, 24:48 Speaker 3: liothyronine 24:49 Speaker 3: t 3. 24:51 Speaker 3: Right now, I am also injecting AOD and Ipamorelin in the morning. I'm taking Tesamorelin 24:55 Speaker 3: at night as well. Everything wants to be taken in a fasted state. Do I really need to carve out chunk of time in between injecting 25:02 Speaker 3: and taking the morning thyroid meds? 25:05 Speaker 3: Okay. Or is it fine to take them back to back as neither is likely to spike insulin? Or if it does matter, should I take the thyroid meds 25:14 Speaker 3: 1st or do my injections 1st? 25:17 Speaker 3: I also have a bunch of other supplements I take in the morning, but I usually wait 45 minutes to an hour after injecting, taking the thyroid meds to take those. Morning hours are hectic, though, and I'm running out of time, spaced all these things out. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Okay, dude. So 25:32 Speaker 3: only certain 25:34 Speaker 3: AOD I would take fasted. 25:37 Speaker 3: So the t 3, the I I don't 25:40 Speaker 3: I wouldn't take t 3 on top of the absolute full meal, but I'm not that worried about you taking it fasted. What I am really worried about is caffeine. 25:47 Speaker 3: Like, no do not drink caffeine within 2 hours of taking t 3, 25:52 Speaker 3: before then or after. Also, don't take any L carnitine 25:57 Speaker 3: near near 25:59 Speaker 0: t 3. K? You Push your limits. Train with precision. See the results. At Equinox, 26:04 Speaker 0: that's high performance loving. Iconic spaces that inspire. 26:08 Speaker 0: Personal training backed by real data, unlimited group fitness classes from yoga and pilates to strength and conditioning. Elevate your post performance ritual with saunas, steam rooms, cold plunges, and more. Everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox. 26:24 Speaker 0: Start today at equinox.com. 26:31 Speaker 1: Ultra running shoes are all about space. The space to go further, 26:36 Speaker 1: to feel better, to do something you never thought possible. And this space starts with UltraFit. 26:42 Speaker 1: Unlike traditional running shoes, UltraFit gives toes more room to move naturally. So every step is strong, balanced, 26:50 Speaker 1: and comfortable. Whatever you're lacing up for, stay out there with Ultra. 26:54 Speaker 1: Shop now at ultrarunning.com. 26:56 Speaker 1: That's altrarunning.com. 27:00 Speaker 3: Can get a little, like, almost like hypertensive feeling. 27:03 Speaker 3: So 27:04 Speaker 3: but the fasting, not that important on the t 3. The fasting is important on, like you said, the the peptides that 27:13 Speaker 3: use some, like, insulin pathways. So any of the growth hormone peptides, 27:18 Speaker 3: including 27:19 Speaker 3: AOD, 27:20 Speaker 3: absolutely take fasted. 27:22 Speaker 3: A lot of them, the healing ones doesn't matter. Yep. Reta doesn't matter. 27:26 Speaker 3: And I think that's but but the HGH ones, it does matter. Take them fasted, please. And, yes, it does matter. People say, hey. Between 90 minutes to 30 maybe even up down to, like, 30 minutes, 27:38 Speaker 3: fasted, that's up to you. 27:40 Speaker 3: I've heard different people say different things. Yeah. But that's what I got. Don't even worry about the thyroid meds. 27:45 Speaker 3: I don't know what other meds you're taking, but 27:49 Speaker 3: those aren't I mean, taking a thyroid med isn't negating a fast also, by the way. Like, that's not actually food. No. Is that what he was he wasn't saying that, was he? I don't I'm 27:59 Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, 28:01 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I think you I think it's great to think through it, but I don't think I think you're thinking a little too much, man. I would just take if it were me, I'll just answer if it were me. I would take my medication 28:10 Speaker 2: and the the injections, like, right when I wake up because that's what I do. I take a lot of medications or not medications, but, 28:17 Speaker 2: supplements, 28:18 Speaker 2: and I take them on an empty stomach because I fast a lot and I take my peptides. I don't think you gotta worry about that, my brother. Like Will said, 28:25 Speaker 2: just the ones that you need to worry about fasted, if it's like a BPC, 28:29 Speaker 2: or some of those, you don't need to worry about it. You're not taking those. You are taking the secretagogue and an AOD, 28:34 Speaker 2: so take it fasted. 28:36 Speaker 2: You're doing it you're doing it good, man. You're thinking too much. Just take it right when you wake up. Just simplify it, my brother. You've been good. 28:43 Speaker 2: I'm a, let's see. Do it. 28:45 Speaker 2: For women 28:46 Speaker 2: who wants to take Tesamorelin 28:48 Speaker 2: but has hormonal 28:50 Speaker 2: imbalance, 28:51 Speaker 2: endometriosis, 28:54 Speaker 2: fibroids. 28:56 Speaker 2: Do you recommend trying a Tesamorelin or any IGF 29:00 Speaker 2: peptides? 29:02 Speaker 2: Well, 29:03 Speaker 2: 1st off hormones. 29:05 Speaker 2: Hormones need to be worked on 1st. I would assume you've gotten blood panel, but you need to do a deep blood panel and get that stuff situated because we've 29:15 Speaker 2: said it a 100 times on here, hormones come 1st before everything. Hormones, 29:19 Speaker 2: getting them in line. And a lot of times it's going to, women, you need to have the, it takes a 29:25 Speaker 2: long time to, like, I just did a podcast on my other podcast about some of the stuff I've gone through personally, and I'm going to be 49 in less than a month. And what happens, I think, all of us is our body changes. Like what works for a long time for us no longer works. And so you have to adapt, you have to audible. And like when you get out of your sweet spot, 29:43 Speaker 2: it takes a little time to find your sweet spot again. I'm kind of in the middle of that myself. 29:48 Speaker 2: But the hormones, 29:50 Speaker 2: you need to get that situated. So focus on that. I I would say do deep dive and figure out the hormones 1st. When it comes to Tessa 29:57 Speaker 2: and the IGF-one, I mean, the test is gonna you raise your IGF-one anyway, so I don't think that matters. It just depends on kinda what you want. You don't really give us a lot of information. How old are you? What are your objectives? How's your diet? You don't say a whole lot, so it's really hard to answer what you should do when we don't know anything about you. 30:14 Speaker 2: Start with your hormones. And then obviously the typical stuff, get your base, eat right, get a lot of sleep, 30:20 Speaker 2: focus on the base. 30:22 Speaker 2: And then the supplements, 30:24 Speaker 2: peptides 30:25 Speaker 2: come later. Hormones 30:27 Speaker 3: get those handled. So the IGF-one, 30:30 Speaker 3: which is what, well, IGF-one 30:32 Speaker 3: directly 30:34 Speaker 3: turns into because it is, but also the Tesamorelin, 30:37 Speaker 3: etcetera, will convert into IGF-one as the end standard is, 30:42 Speaker 3: is to be wary about if you have your endometriosis 30:46 Speaker 3: and fibroids. 30:47 Speaker 3: So I 30:48 Speaker 3: would I would be wary about it. I would actually talk to a doctor, 30:52 Speaker 3: and that's a loaded question because we don't know everything else that is going on with you. Very big. 30:59 Speaker 3: So that's not something that actually I can I would feel comfortable even answering, but I would say you be wary of it, please, and go see a doctor who knows what they're doing? We can suggest some that actually do know what they are doing, and they would be better qualified to actually, 31:12 Speaker 2: give you that answer. We're trying, Will and I've discussed this numerous times, we're really trying to get some doctors on here that we, 31:20 Speaker 2: for lack of a better way to say it, vet to a degree, but are just more outside of like Western medicine to the degree where it's just holistic type stuff and 31:28 Speaker 2: that type of medicine, 31:30 Speaker 2: because you can go to any doctor, they're everywhere, but they're going to give you a different perspective and maybe run deeper blood panels. You've heard us discuss it. So that's what we were working on another gal coming on in the next couple of weeks. That's gonna give a woman's perspective 31:45 Speaker 2: for the hormones. She's like the opposite of Doctor. Scott. She's for you ladies. So we're working on on getting her on. I think her name is Doctor. Wanda. Can't remember off the top of my head. I think it's Doctor. Wanda. But we're getting her on for you to 31:56 Speaker 2: just get a different perspective from for you women and hormones and whatnot because it's extremely important equally as important for you, ladies, 32:05 Speaker 2: without a doubt. Yep. Alright. And it's me. Right? It's me. I know it's you. 32:10 Speaker 3: Okay. Bennett. Bennett. Bennett. 32:12 Speaker 3: 1 day 1 1 day desperate for sleep. Can review all the peptides for sleep. Tessa, DSIP, 32:19 Speaker 3: Batalon, and differences in which help most with falling asleep as well as staying asleep. Desperate postmenopausal 32:26 Speaker 3: woman here needing some solid sleep, but suffered with server insomnia. 32:31 Speaker 3: I believe part of my issue is also anxiety, my brain not shutting down. I'm thankful for any help, and I love you guys. Always super helpful. Alright. So we'll do our best. Like, I'll give you a quick breakdown. So Epitalon 32:41 Speaker 3: isn't usually thought of as like, oh, that's a sleep peptide. 32:45 Speaker 3: What how it can help your sleep is it syncs up your circadian rhythm. This is important. This is actually built by me, which is absolutely It's like rebooting you. Yeah. And to be and I'm sorry. I guess I don't really know what server 32:57 Speaker 3: Insomnia. Probably just Insomnia. Does that mean, like and it can't be. Like, you're actually like a server and you work odd hours. What is cross out servers? No. Sorry. But if that's the case, then the circadian rhythm thing is important. Right? 33:11 Speaker 3: Just being if you're used to working a job that has you working opposite of what most humans do, then getting your circadian rhythm in line is very important. So Epitalon, 33:19 Speaker 3: hell yes. I'd try it. I would try it for I would I would absolutely try it. Epitalon is 1 thing where you do wanna do it twice a year, 100 mg 33:27 Speaker 3: spread over 10 days. So that's 10 mgs a day for 10 days, 33:32 Speaker 3: twice a year. 33:33 Speaker 3: K? 33:35 Speaker 3: DSIP, 33:36 Speaker 3: delta sleep inducing peptide, is 1 that helps your neurotransmitters 33:41 Speaker 3: get in this relaxed, 33:43 Speaker 3: calm state preparing for sleep. So it does not, like, just knock you out and drool on yourself, but 33:50 Speaker 3: it will make it easier for you to fall asleep and to get actually to fall in and get REM sleep. So that kind of 33:58 Speaker 3: serves both of your purposes, and I would try that and and experiment. You know? Try up to, shit, I've done, you know, 2000 micrograms, 2 mg of of DSIP and been just fine. So I'd start with maybe 0.5 a milligram, but let's see how your tolerance is. 34:13 Speaker 3: And, 34:15 Speaker 3: what Sermorelin. 34:17 Speaker 3: So the test the secretagogues, 34:19 Speaker 3: tesamorelin, 34:21 Speaker 3: sermorelin, 34:22 Speaker 3: and CGC 12 95, 34:24 Speaker 3: right, and regular HGH, 34:26 Speaker 3: theoretically should help your sleep and help you get more better, restful, and repairing restorative sleep. Now, unfortunately, we have heard and that 34:36 Speaker 3: Tesamorelin 34:37 Speaker 3: can sometimes do the opposite. Yeah. Base especially early on, and and you just can ride it out and it will get better. But, basically, your body is now you're taking that and your body's trying to to grow and repair. Right? It's almost like you go to the gym, work out really hard right before you go to sleep. 34:52 Speaker 3: You're tired, 34:53 Speaker 3: but your body is still 34:56 Speaker 3: awake and, like, doing stuff something Yeah. That it won't really let you fall asleep. So Sermorelin 35:01 Speaker 3: is the more gentler 1 of those and oftentimes 35:05 Speaker 3: suggested for, 35:07 Speaker 3: menopausal women. 35:09 Speaker 3: So that that might be the go to on that 1. 35:13 Speaker 3: Other than that, JD, I know you have some other, like, you struggle with some sleep, but- Yeah. 35:17 Speaker 2: That's good. I think that's it's coming up and someone 35:20 Speaker 2: gave me this protocol, so I'm gonna pass it on to you. I'd dealt with it and 35:25 Speaker 2: it sucks. Cortisol, your cortisol is undoubtedly high, 35:29 Speaker 2: and that is a huge, huge problem. It's ironic that it's been popping up everywhere. That guy yesterday the guy yesterday was talking about cortisol. Absolutely. Cortisol is a beast. It will take the top seat of anything. It it'll it'll 35:42 Speaker 2: Yep. Beat out testosterone. 35:43 Speaker 2: Believe it or not. So if you're not sleeping, they generally generally speaking, this is an exact right. It's like 5 hours. But if you're getting less than 5 hours of sleep, your cortisol is most likely high. 35:54 Speaker 2: And what happens is generally you might fall asleep easy and then wake up like I used to, like, 02:00 and be like, long, wide awake. You're not supposed to wake wake up at 02:00. Your cortisol is just high. 36:04 Speaker 2: For me, I think it was the social media stuff. My brain was just always going, and I couldn't, like, let it, like, stop. 36:12 Speaker 2: So you wanna work on cortisol. I know some of this stuff is gonna be a little woo woo, but I'm just gonna tell you that I did a lot of reading on it to try to fix me. 36:20 Speaker 2: Walking on the grass, grounding is a very huge thing. We don't do it as much as we used to, walking on a beach, walking on the grass, 36:27 Speaker 2: sitting by a tree. Tree hugger came for a reason, like, 36:31 Speaker 2: were connected to the earth. These can really reboot your system, believe it or not. So that's the more organic 36:37 Speaker 2: approach. 36:38 Speaker 2: Now, I 36:39 Speaker 2: talked about my sleeping problems for a lot and, somebody came into my DMs and said, here you go, man, this is gonna fix you. Dude, I'm telling you, I called my wife that day, babe, would you give me this, this, this, and this. And I took this, this, and this, and this, just like he said, he even told me how much to take, and I've been sleeping 8 hours pretty much every night since. So here, let me lay it down for you. So magnesium, 37:00 Speaker 2: it's number 1. 37:01 Speaker 2: Glycine 37:03 Speaker 2: is number 2. Ashwagandha, 37:07 Speaker 2: k s m 37:09 Speaker 2: 6 6. 37:10 Speaker 2: I think it's Veorelin 37:11 Speaker 2: root. 37:12 Speaker 2: Valerian? Valerian root. 37:14 Speaker 2: And the last 1 is melatonin, 37:16 Speaker 2: which should be an obvious, but, he switched me to or he recommended slow 37:22 Speaker 2: release. I didn't do that in the slow release. It seemed to work well. 37:26 Speaker 2: And oh man, 37:27 Speaker 2: girl, I hope this helps you because it helps me. I dude, man, it's been I've been sleeping like a baby and I have been completely 37:35 Speaker 2: like a new human. You do not know how much you need to sleep until you don't have it. 37:40 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And it 37:42 Speaker 2: will beat your body down. Stress 37:44 Speaker 2: and cortisol 37:46 Speaker 2: will literally drive you to the grave. That's how powerful they are. No joke. Like, so fix 37:52 Speaker 2: this girl and try that. I hope this helps. And if you do, 37:55 Speaker 2: let me know if it works because I'm gonna be talking about it a lot because I whoever and if you are the person that recommended 38:02 Speaker 2: this, go into my DMs, man. I would love to talk with you and thank you because I've been passing it on to a lot of people. So good stuff. The 1 peptide I forgot was Selank. 38:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. 38:11 Speaker 3: And 38:12 Speaker 3: how about this? We point your direction again to here where we have built already the sleep optimization stack. Sweet. Okay. So that's another thing that you can find in 38:23 Speaker 3: our school. 38:24 Speaker 3: It says DSIP, 38:26 Speaker 3: secretagogue, 38:27 Speaker 3: Epitalon, 38:28 Speaker 3: Selank. 38:29 Speaker 3: Goes through dosages, explains 38:31 Speaker 3: each 1 why what they do individually, 38:34 Speaker 3: explains why they work together very good, 38:37 Speaker 3: dosage chart, 38:40 Speaker 2: even some like on all the others, some like research, some cited research sources, etcetera. I think Epitalon would be good for you because it's kinda like you're turning your phone off and rebooting it. It's gonna work better. 38:52 Speaker 3: Okay. Cool. Next 1. I think you're- 38:55 Speaker 2: Alright. Is there anything out there out there in development to 38:59 Speaker 2: stop the effects, reduce the symptoms of dementia or Alzheimer's? 39:04 Speaker 2: And if so, would taking it proactively 39:06 Speaker 2: reduce the chance, 39:08 Speaker 2: of onset? 39:12 Speaker 2: Okay. Have some that are, like, like, something you could try. I mean, I don't think it's gonna be exact, but Dihexa, what, Semax, Selank, any Pinealon, Cerebrolysin. There's a lot. For 39:22 Speaker 3: the most part, no. There's I the answer is gonna be, like, no brain surgery. Absolutely not guaranteed that, like, you take these preemptively and you will not get dementia. No. But if you look at dihexa, pinealon, cerebral lysine. Right? Dihexa 39:35 Speaker 3: is really helping rebuild 39:37 Speaker 3: and strengthen the synapses between neurons. 39:40 Speaker 3: Pinealon is helping rebuild actual 39:42 Speaker 3: neurons. 39:44 Speaker 3: Cerebrolysin 39:44 Speaker 3: is doing a mix actually of several different peptides 39:48 Speaker 3: and and 39:49 Speaker 3: amino acid strands 39:50 Speaker 3: and is and is helping to do the same thing. 39:54 Speaker 3: All of those, I would like you to do your own research on them because they work slightly differently, and and there's different protocols for each, 40:02 Speaker 3: which are all available also on the school. And 40:06 Speaker 3: those are the 3 that I would point to. Absolutely them. All 3 of them are being right now studied for dementia and Alzheimer patients. 40:14 Speaker 3: So there is promising research coming out that that is showing that they are they will help and, 40:20 Speaker 3: proactively, but I just there's just no guarantee. There's just no guarantee. We don't even we don't know enough, and 40:26 Speaker 2: that's all I can give to you. Dihexa, we did a little bit of a a deep dive on that. So We did on all Definitely try them. And then, again, let's get to the basics, man. Get some sleep. 40:36 Speaker 2: Make sure that you are resistance training and, eating right. Does he say his name? Age, man. I wish he would have told us age. Age is important, but, yeah, man. Really build that base even if the house you're living in is shaky as hell, you're overweight and whatnot, build a base. 40:51 Speaker 2: Like restructure that sucker, 40:53 Speaker 2: get your diet in line, 40:55 Speaker 2: exercise, 40:57 Speaker 2: get your sleep like this gal Bub wasn't sleeping like, fix it, and then build on top of it. Some of this stuff will start to rectify. 41:03 Speaker 2: Not saying all of it, but you'll notice a big difference when you just get your base set. Promise you. 41:09 Speaker 3: Alright. Trying for a baby. Pregnancy questions. Hey, guys. New to the new to the peptide game and currently going back through all of your podcasts and loving them and trying to process as much as possible. Nice. We're due to to start trying to have a baby soon, and we just wanted your thoughts on any contraindications 41:26 Speaker 3: with taking GHKCu 41:28 Speaker 3: or Glow when trying or during pregnancy slash breastfeeding. 41:33 Speaker 3: And 41:34 Speaker 3: would you recommend coming off Tessa Ipah when pregnant? 41:38 Speaker 3: Thanks, guys. PS, due to be purchasing 41:41 Speaker 3: your serum for my belly if things go well on the baby making. 41:46 Speaker 3: Well, good luck. I will. I hope things go well, and and they will. You just think positive. 41:51 Speaker 3: My official answer is I would stop 41:53 Speaker 3: it all 41:54 Speaker 3: during 41:55 Speaker 3: pregnancy and breastfeeding, 41:58 Speaker 3: especially, 41:59 Speaker 3: yes, absolutely on the GHKCU and the glow. 42:02 Speaker 3: Yes. Did you like copper is a heavy metal, maybe light metal. It's a metal that you're introducing your body. We don't want that breastfeeding. 42:09 Speaker 3: So 42:11 Speaker 3: just honestly 42:12 Speaker 3: play it safe, and I would pull 42:14 Speaker 3: I'd pull them all 42:16 Speaker 2: during, yes, pregnancy and breastfeeding. I would bet that I would bet that I knew he was gonna say that. So you already answered for me, but I would kind of think I can answer him when I say this. You can see if you can disagree on that. I don't think either of us really think they're changing me in the eyes. I think you're probably gonna be okay. Right. But why screw with it? It's your baby. I was new with it. The peptides will be here when the baby's like, you know, whenever you stop breastfeeding or whatever you decide to do. Right? So, 42:42 Speaker 3: let the baby just be the baby, and then Tiptide will be here when you You are right. I actually would probably bet it would do nothing. But Whoever we're on the side of I the wanna be the 1 to tell you to do this thing, and then 42:54 Speaker 3: something weird happened. Okay? So 42:57 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'd still pull them. Yeah. Your body's just normally 43:00 Speaker 3: I screw that. To make a baby. It knows what it's doing. Let it do its thing. That's right. 43:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. Alright. So for for SLU, since it's small molecule and not a peptide, how long can we run a cycle and how long should we take off? I love the benefits I get 43:16 Speaker 2: that never want to come 43:18 Speaker 2: off. 43:20 Speaker 2: If time off is recommended, 43:22 Speaker 2: what's something similar to run well off? Love the recent episode with Paul discussing GHRP 43:28 Speaker 2: and GH. I've heard about a small molecule MK-677. 43:33 Speaker 2: Have you guys done any research on this? I've heard there's similar benefits to MK-677, 43:41 Speaker 2: without the increase in prolactin, 43:43 Speaker 2: cortisol, and hunger. 43:45 Speaker 2: Would love your expert opinions for a female in her early thirties. 43:49 Speaker 2: When do you recommend starting GH versus versus, 43:52 Speaker 2: secretagogues? 43:54 Speaker 2: Is there an age threshold threshold, 43:57 Speaker 2: which GH would be, the better option? Thank you. That's a great question. Mhmm. That's a great question. 44:03 Speaker 3: I wanna tell you so you Yeah. Go ahead. You gotta fill in. 44:06 Speaker 2: There's not an exact on anything. 44:10 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what what I've read and I've done in regards to SLU. I think it's a great compound, especially for you ladies. 44:18 Speaker 2: Generally, you're gonna run it 3 months, give or take 90 days, and then take like a month off. 44:23 Speaker 2: If you bend on that, is it gonna be a problem? Of course not. I think I've even done it longer than than 90 days, but I have read some stuff though. If you take it too long, it starts to do the opposite. 44:34 Speaker 2: So just know that. And there's so many different compounds out there in regards to, like, fat burners. 44:39 Speaker 2: You don't say your exact, 44:41 Speaker 2: objective, 44:42 Speaker 2: but, man, gosh, you got AOD, you got, 44:45 Speaker 2: 5 amino 1 MQ. Those are just great. You got L carnitine, which is is amazing, but it takes a lot of injections. 44:52 Speaker 2: But there's those are amazing that you can do. When, I would start with a secretagogue. 44:58 Speaker 2: No. There's not an exact number. 45:02 Speaker 2: General rule of thumb is 40 for me. 45:04 Speaker 2: Now we're 45:06 Speaker 2: seeing 45:07 Speaker 2: that change and get skewed a little bit from, I think, even when Will and I started talking years ago on growth hormone and testosterone, 45:13 Speaker 2: and that is starting to bend backwards instead of 40, like maybe 35, but no, there's not an exact, 45:22 Speaker 2: how do you feel? 45:23 Speaker 2: Right? How do you feel? Like when it comes to testosterone, obviously blood work and stuff like that's gonna be, but I would start with secretagogue, maybe a Tesamorelin. It does amazing for you ladies. 45:33 Speaker 2: Add an AOD into there. I love those 2, especially for women. Those 2 compounds together. I've seen it do rad things. And then you can add the growth hormone in later. I would say start thinking about that maybe 35. Okay. Alright. So, 45:48 Speaker 3: SLU-, how long should you be on off conservative approach? 8 to 12 weeks on. 45:53 Speaker 3: 4 to 6 weeks off. 45:55 Speaker 3: That's conservative. If you were if it were me, I don't take, I wouldn't take that long off. Yeah. It'd be about, like, 2 to 4 weeks, but here's what I would do is, like so SLU-3s is an exercise mimetic. 46:07 Speaker 3: MOTS-seed would be so you wanna kinda schedule these peptides or or or products that you're taking 46:13 Speaker 3: in cycles and then have some because there's so many different ones that just kinda So do very similar 46:18 Speaker 3: I'd be I'd I'd run your sloop, and then when you get off of that, 46:21 Speaker 3: either, like, BAM 15, 46:23 Speaker 3: which 46:25 Speaker 3: is a good bridge, but also MOTS-three. Right? So, like, MOTS-three, SS-thirty 1 a little bit right before. Some MOTS-three as 46:30 Speaker 3: that bridge, and then you could for sure take that 4 to 6 weeks off because you you were you're doing those 4 to 6 weeks. Yeah. Probably longer, hopefully. 6 to 6 to 12 weeks, actually. Then you can get back onto the sloop. Right? And just kind of plan these things in your gap. So it's not like you can come off. You gotta be off of everything. 46:47 Speaker 3: Other question was, 46:50 Speaker 3: so absolutely. In your thirties, secretive guys are the way to go now. 46:54 Speaker 3: It's not I just based on based on just all of these people who I have talked to Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. 47:04 Speaker 0: At Equinox, that's high performance loving. Everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox. 47:11 Speaker 0: Start today at equinox.com. 47:16 Speaker 1: Ultra running shoes are all about space. 47:19 Speaker 1: The space to go further, to feel better, 47:22 Speaker 1: to do something you never thought possible. 47:25 Speaker 1: And this space starts with UltraFit. 47:27 Speaker 1: Unlike traditional running shoes, UltraFit gives toes more room to move naturally, 47:32 Speaker 1: so every step is strong, balanced, balanced, and comfortable. 47:36 Speaker 1: Whatever you're lacing up for, stay out there with Ultra. 47:39 Speaker 1: Shop now at ultrarunning.com. 47:42 Speaker 1: That's altrarunning.com. 47:45 Speaker 3: I've seen taking growth hormone like I just don't even think it's worth taking any exogenous growth hormone until you're at least 40 years old. I just don't see it doing anything. The biggest thing what you're looking for is as we age around 45 to 55 47:59 Speaker 3: is when our pituitary function 48:02 Speaker 3: really starts to decline. And so if that is declining, 48:05 Speaker 3: doesn't matter how much secretagogy 48:07 Speaker 3: you throw at it, 48:09 Speaker 3: it's not gonna maximize the secretagogy. So at that time, it's time to give yourself real exogenous growth hormone. That because then you don't have to rely on pituitary. It skips that and gives you the real thing because your pituitary won't actually do 48:21 Speaker 3: do much. I don't care how much it's telling it to start working. It won't be that good. So I'm going say 45 to 50, 48:29 Speaker 3: 40 to 40 to 50, 48:30 Speaker 3: but like you can take some blood tests and have a better, 48:35 Speaker 3: you know, talk to a doctor before really taking the growth hormone, make sure that a lot of your markers 48:41 Speaker 3: are acceptable to take. K. 48:44 Speaker 3: Anything else? 48:46 Speaker 3: You know, the a lot of the the pro life and cortisol hunger is dose dependent on MK-six 77. Oh, there is a new, 48:54 Speaker 3: and I don't know much about it. It's like MK- MKO-six 48:57 Speaker 3: 77 48:58 Speaker 3: that is supposed to be a lighter version. Right? She said, like, a small molecule version of MK-six 77. There is there is, I think, something being 49:08 Speaker 3: studied out there. I don't have much knowledge on that, but, 49:11 Speaker 3: you know, all of those side effects on MK are really dose dependent. That's why a lot of people like, if you're getting really crazy hunger, a lot of people split that dose. 49:19 Speaker 3: The 0.5 and 0.5, right, morning and night, then you don't get as much. 49:23 Speaker 3: The 49:24 Speaker 3: tiredness, same reason. 49:26 Speaker 3: K? If MK makes you tired, taking 1 big taking 20 mg at once, then take 10 mg in the morning and 10 mg at night. And oftentimes, that's 49:35 Speaker 3: decreased a lot. Do you recommend that for women? Not really. Mean Never have. It's so MK is going to just flood your body with 49:43 Speaker 3: growth hormone release. Right? Instead of releasing impulses, it's like always on. So boom, flooding, it's gonna that will help you grow and help you build lots of muscle, but it but but the ghrelin portion of it boosts the hell out of your hunger. And so most women don't 49:57 Speaker 3: wanna gain a bunch of weight, 50:00 Speaker 3: and sometimes that's what it happens. Now if you're eating right, 50:04 Speaker 3: you're not gonna gain a bunch of bad weight, 50:06 Speaker 3: but you still might just gain too much weight. 50:09 Speaker 3: It also, with that flooding, could increase, 50:12 Speaker 3: like, your edema and water retention, which women really don't like. 50:17 Speaker 3: So, no, I don't think I've ever really told women to Like a bodybuilder type. MK-six 77 because it's more of a bulker 50:23 Speaker 3: underneath bulker. Plump you up a little bit. Yeah. But if you ask, there's my answer. 50:28 Speaker 3: There it is. 50:29 Speaker 3: Okay. 50:30 Speaker 3: That's me, isn't it? I think I am. I've had a history of breast cancer. I've been in remission for 13 years now. I'm currently on a weight loss fat stack. 50:39 Speaker 3: I take Retta, NAD plus, and MOTS C. I heard recently that possibly NAD and MOTS c shouldn't 50:46 Speaker 3: be taken with a history of cancer. Is this true? Also, I'm interested in taking Tesa for 50:51 Speaker 3: the belly fat loss, PT-one hundred 41 for libido and AOD. Can I take those with my cancer history? Any other peptides I should stay away from? Thank you so much for what you guys do. You rock. Whoop whoop. You okay? I mean, we get this 1, like, every time. And, 51:07 Speaker 3: again, this is 1 of these things, like, really mess me up. Don't think it's gonna do much. 15 years. Yeah. But, like okay. So to air on the side of caution, I do think when 51:17 Speaker 3: we talked to Paul Actually, like this, if this was a family member. If this was a family member, I'd say don't take any secretagogues. 51:22 Speaker 3: I knew that you'd say. And frankly, I don't really I wouldn't mind taking 51:25 Speaker 3: any of service. To numerous people that we have a buddy that Yeah. That we've told you we can't cancer, like, sitting in our office and, like, we literally said, dude, like, there's so much other stuff that you could take and, like but each is all man, but, like, no. We we do it. That's truly what we feel. Yep. Yeah. I wouldn't worry about I would if it was my family member, I would say I don't really care about the NAD. You can take that. MOTS-three also. PT 1 41, also AOD. Yes. You can take it because it has none of those growth effects. Right? It's just the metabolic portion of the HGH chain. 51:55 Speaker 3: And 51:56 Speaker 3: but, like, 51:58 Speaker 3: no growth hormone. I actually also, the newest research on BPC is telling us that 52:03 Speaker 3: the 52:06 Speaker 3: where BPC goes and creates new blood vessels around injuries. Okay? That's why that's part of why BPC helps healing. Okay? 52:12 Speaker 3: So 52:13 Speaker 3: 1 extrapolation 52:15 Speaker 3: is people go, oh, if it helps healing, right, then it's gonna and healing is growth. It's gonna grow everything. Right? And the most recent study of BPC has shown that BPC literally already know that it's, 52:26 Speaker 3: it is very selective. 52:28 Speaker 3: So it is only actually growing 52:30 Speaker 3: new blood vessels to help growth near injuries. 52:33 Speaker 3: Cancer cells are not injuries. So body does not recognize those. That's not an injury. So 52:38 Speaker 3: BPC just bypasses 52:40 Speaker 3: that and 52:42 Speaker 3: helps grow back actual 52:44 Speaker 3: parts of tissue 52:45 Speaker 3: that need to be recovered. Yeah. 52:47 Speaker 3: So that's just what the most recent research study said. And 52:51 Speaker 2: so- I- Easy safe. I get frustrated when they talk like that and there's been some stuff like different people saying, I mean, you had Paul Bactiar on here and he was talking about how he spoke at a conference, and he it was a bunch of doctors, and they were challenging him on the BPC and the cancer thing. And the thing that's it sucks is that, like, 53:08 Speaker 2: there's so much talk about 53:10 Speaker 2: something that is so healthy and is such an awesome compound. 53:14 Speaker 2: And then let's talk about the pebble 53:16 Speaker 2: that might happen. You don't wanna talk about the the Everest of amazing behind it. It just that frustrates me. Like, let's talk about the real culprits, which are co you know, sugars, 53:26 Speaker 2: seed oils, and all the shit food that are all through the grocery store. You know, let's talk about that because that's what you should worry about cancer. If you're living healthy and you're doing things right, you try to like eat a single ingredient foods for the most part and like not the crap, bright foods and the chip aisle and all that stupid crap that they get us on, 53:45 Speaker 2: you're gonna be good. You're gonna be a lot better than worrying about BPC. Yep. Just Yes. 53:51 Speaker 3: So hopefully that answered all those those specific questions to you. 53:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. So hello. I was 53:58 Speaker 2: I always hear certain peptides that stack well with 1 another and cause a synergistic effect. 54:05 Speaker 2: I was wondering if you guys can shed some light on peptides that do not stack well with 1 another because it would be redundant 54:12 Speaker 2: or cancel the effects of another or should be alternating 54:16 Speaker 2: after doing the cycle 1? Asking because peptides can get expensive 54:20 Speaker 3: and wanna get more bang for my buck. Good question. Good stuff. Yeah. Let me so I would not take so here's what you don't really wanna need. As far as the the secret to gogs, there's no point in taking 54:32 Speaker 3: multiple GHRHs 54:33 Speaker 3: or GHRP. 54:34 Speaker 3: So do not take Tesamorelin, 54:37 Speaker 3: CJC, 54:39 Speaker 3: or Sermorelin all at the same time. They all do the same thing, 54:43 Speaker 3: and they're that is redundant, 54:45 Speaker 3: and they will start competing for the same pathways and just be not effective. 54:50 Speaker 3: Don't take Ipamorelin and the MK-six 77. 54:54 Speaker 3: What what are some others that aren't gonna be so, again, with the h exogenous HGH 55:01 Speaker 3: and these GHRHs. 55:03 Speaker 3: Right? So I wouldn't take HGH, 55:05 Speaker 3: and I wouldn't take Sermorelin or CJC, 55:09 Speaker 3: those 3. Now there can be an argument on the Tesamorelin. 55:13 Speaker 3: The Tesamorelin probably, if you take that along with the exogenous HGH, it will not help the Tesamorelin won't help your growth hormone, but it will help target belly fat and 55:22 Speaker 3: the fat around visceral fat around your organs. There is still an argument for those 2 together. 55:28 Speaker 3: It's good. Don't know what else, what other, like anything that is really like competing for the same pathways 55:34 Speaker 3: that is what you wanna stay away from. Not I don't know of any baptisms that are truly, like, dangerous together, but 55:40 Speaker 2: Well, like redundancy, 55:42 Speaker 3: like, waste of money. 55:44 Speaker 2: What you would say is, like, a semaglutide, 55:46 Speaker 3: terzepatide. Yeah. For sure. I'll take those 55:49 Speaker 2: together. You you wouldn't take all 3 of those. Now let's 55:53 Speaker 2: tiptoe around the tirzepatide and and and and retutide because there's some cases when we've we've suggested 55:59 Speaker 2: people do a little bit, like, a little bit of both. Yes. Either coming off of 1 or if somebody like needs to lose a great deal of weight. We've seen a lot of 56:09 Speaker 2: people do well with your Zepatide just simply because of it. They kind of blocks the hunger a little bit better so you can use them in tandem a little bit, but ideally, you're gonna run right at your side and just go to the the the horse winning the race. Yep. But there's always outlier outliers. You know what I mean? But, for most part, secretagogues. Yeah. Secret you know, another 1 is I just looked at it, 56:31 Speaker 3: Kisspeptin. 56:32 Speaker 3: So so anybody, if you're trying to take Kisspeptin for fertility and you are on TRT, 56:37 Speaker 3: that Kisspeptin 56:39 Speaker 3: will be null and void and not do anything. Alright? 56:43 Speaker 3: Because that pituitary 56:45 Speaker 3: loop will have been shut down and not listening because your body has enough testosterone no matter what you do in the Kisspeptin. 56:52 Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Cool. Be aware that, like, if you're taking Glow or Clo, 56:57 Speaker 3: they both they have GHKCU 57:00 Speaker 3: in them, KPV. So, like, I wouldn't take Glow and then also GHKCU. 57:03 Speaker 3: You're taking the same thing. Clow 57:06 Speaker 3: and KPV. 57:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Now I would take either of those, Glow and Clow, 57:55 Speaker 3: yeah, that's about all I got. Yeah. It was good. I think we answered that. Okay. You're up. 58:01 Speaker 3: I'm gonna need to read your sheet because my printer must have broken and didn't print all the rest of the questions if somebody's out While we're done. 2 questions. 1 for my fiance and 1 for my dad. Fiance is 30, new to peptides, and looking into them for gut health. She had severe ulcerative colitis 58:15 Speaker 3: led to removal of her large intestine. 58:18 Speaker 3: Oh, shit. And now has an internal J pouch. 58:21 Speaker 3: Stomach is still really sensitive, upset most nights, so she wants to be able to eat more for the she's been taking KPV, BBC TB 58:28 Speaker 3: 500, and Thymosin. 58:31 Speaker 3: A big concern is that 1 of you mentioned BBC can worsen autoimmune autoimmune 58:35 Speaker 3: flare ups, and for her, that's not something to take lightly. A severe flare means a colostomy bag, which is her only remaining option. She cannot afford that risk. What would you recommend and what she would avoid? We said thymosin alpha 1 can potentially 58:49 Speaker 3: it's supposed to, you know, regulate 58:52 Speaker 3: your immune system, but in the midst of, an autoimmune flare up taking that, it's it's been known to actually enhance that. We did not say BPC or else I didn't or never have heard that. So 59:03 Speaker 3: what I would do is I would keep rolling with the KPV, 59:06 Speaker 3: BPC, and TB. I that is your best 59:09 Speaker 3: course of action. Yeah. And I would pull the Thymosin Alpha then. 59:14 Speaker 2: That was a good answer. I mean, that's that's it. Those what you're running, what you run is great. So I wouldn't change it. You're 59:22 Speaker 2: good to go. Alright. Let's close it out here because I can't even read blood glasses. Good. Alright. Let me take us home. Dad is 63. Pacemaker has been in for about 10 years. 59:32 Speaker 2: Heart is weak and battery 59:34 Speaker 2: replacement is coming up soon. He started talking openly about life expectancy, 59:39 Speaker 2: which he says is enough. 59:41 Speaker 2: He knows 59:42 Speaker 2: nothing about peptides, but is willing to learn. 59:45 Speaker 2: I've been thinking MOTS-c, 59:47 Speaker 2: NAD, and SS-thirty 1, but anything that raises his heart rate is a no go. He's also starting to talk about the doc and TRT. 59:55 Speaker 2: What's safe and actually worth it for someone in his situation? 1:00:00 Speaker 3: This is 1 of those where where 1:00:04 Speaker 3: where I 1:00:05 Speaker 3: would not be worried about the minor 1:00:08 Speaker 3: side effects on some things. Like, his life is nearing an end. 1:00:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. I would just, like like, I wouldn't worry about, oh, it might raise his cholesterol if he does TRT. Like, I'd give him some. I just wouldn't go too high in any of this stuff, like, especially with TRT. Hey. I did start low. I'd go very low, but I would give him TRT. He's probably tired. Probably tired. What mean? Would 1:00:30 Speaker 3: give him a lot of things. Just nothing that we know, nothing that you know that directly absolutely increases heart rate. Right? Don't give him any stimulants. Don't give him don't give him Cmax. 1:00:39 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't really think of many It's true stimulant peptides. 1:00:43 Speaker 3: Retatrutide 1:00:44 Speaker 3: is known if you bump up too fast to increase heart rate. So let's just air on that. NAD, go low. 1:00:52 Speaker 3: Right? It can get a little jarring if you just do too much, but not if you if you go low and slowly, slowly titrate up. But for him, SS-31Mot 1:01:02 Speaker 3: c n e d, a lot of those cellular repair ones, I would also give him Dihexa 1:01:07 Speaker 3: for his brain, 1:01:10 Speaker 3: And I would do TOT. And I'm telling you all this stuff because I've, like, tried to get my father on this. And Oh, really? He won't do it? He will. He will. He's just far away. And, like, 1:01:19 Speaker 3: it's just really hard to He's in his zone. And, like It's just really hard to even just, like, teach him the injections. And and then, like, any little thing that goes wrong, he calls me the next day like, oh, you did this to me. I'm like, alright. I'm not gonna even help you. They're just gonna blame everything. You know? That's just how he does. So Old dogs need chicks, man. Yeah. I, I think all those are good. I'm assuming that what you're saying is MOTS-nineteen 80 and SS-thirty 1 because he's probably tired. You're probably trying to get him some energy. Nothing's gonna work like the TRT. 1:01:47 Speaker 2: So I would recommend it for my dad. I'll answer it from that viewpoint. 1:01:52 Speaker 2: And, 1:01:53 Speaker 2: so those would work. I think that you should try those. I'm assuming his testosterone's extremely low, so Mhmm. That'll make him feel better. I'd give him some creek dogs too. Shit. I mean, his, like, his you know, it'll help against osteoporosis. 1:02:04 Speaker 3: Right? As we get older, your bones start to get weak. Right? Would I actually, yeah, probably just give him just straight up HGH. 100%. Oh, the 2 IU. Done. Yep. I'm getting my mother's taken that because of that reason specifically. 1:02:15 Speaker 2: And just like, 1:02:17 Speaker 2: make sure your dad's moving. 1:02:19 Speaker 2: Yep. Like, get him moving. And if he's not, take him on a walk. I don't know if you live by him or make sure they're like, get him moving, get his diet right, single ingredient foods, 1:02:28 Speaker 2: resistance 1:02:30 Speaker 2: training. I don't know what your dad looks like if he's weak, if he's not 1:02:34 Speaker 2: weak. Get him moving. Get that blood flowing. Like, get some vigor back in him, man. Resistance 1:02:40 Speaker 3: training for sure. Literally. 1:02:42 Speaker 3: Everybody should be doing Yes. 1:02:45 Speaker 2: Absolutely. You can squat with nothing. Yes. You know I mean? Like, 1:02:50 Speaker 2: get them that's gonna be the best thing and get them walking outside and 1:02:54 Speaker 3: it'll work. Yeah. And don't worry about something that might kill him 20 years from now. Seriously. 1:03:00 Speaker 2: But good stuff. Yeah. I think that, 1:03:03 Speaker 2: you know, we even Will and I tend to sometimes because we're talking about peptides, 1:03:07 Speaker 2: but, like, dude, 1:03:08 Speaker 2: basics, man. Single ingredient foods. Basics. 1:03:13 Speaker 2: TRT, 1:03:14 Speaker 2: that stuff, man, and just get the base and then build the house. Yep. And then the peptides will work. They're expensive. 1:03:20 Speaker 3: Sleep and proper nutrition. 1:03:22 Speaker 2: And if you feel like shit, 1:03:25 Speaker 3: something's off. 1:03:26 Speaker 2: You have to figure that part out. Now, you know, it but again, we 1:03:32 Speaker 2: can age well. We can age well in all different forms, even like Botox and skin. I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying like, there's stuff out there nowadays 1:03:40 Speaker 2: that we can really age well. I could tell you my goal 1:03:44 Speaker 2: is to run optimal, to feel good. I wanna wake up and kick ass in my day. We have extremely busy days, and I like to be so freaking tired at the end the day where I'm just like, dude, I work my ass off. Yeah. And then I wake up and do it again, and I do not like to wake up tired. 1:03:58 Speaker 2: Know? Yeah, no doubt. I know. But that takes time and 1:04:01 Speaker 2: find that sweet spot, baby. And that sweet that sweet spot seems to move more when you're older. So I'm starting to Sure does. Where did that sweet spot go? Mhmm. Goddamn it. I was there 5 years. What happened? Mhmm. 1:04:10 Speaker 2: Absolute 1:04:12 Speaker 2: age, 1:04:13 Speaker 2: father time he gets us saw, but but remember, no no on the June 27, we apologize for that, and, we will make it up to you. We'll make it real nice. 1:04:22 Speaker 2: We literally want to shake some hands and just meet some of the people. You you guys ride in, man, and always are so gracious and so kind, and, we'd love to shake some of your hands and just meet you. So it's cool. So good stuff. But other than that, 1:04:36 Speaker 2: I don't know what the pep title of the week will be, but we'll be quietly courting in on Thursday or Friday, 1:04:41 Speaker 3: and we'll catch you then. Yep. Check out the school guys for there's more information there too. 1:04:45 Speaker 3: Later.