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1:09Speaker 0William T. Hawes. Oh, you said it differently. Somebody I wanted to change it a little bit. Of are gonna quote quote me now Yeah. In the in the in the Hold on. Questions. So what's going on, man?
1:25Speaker 3I'm back. We're going to Vegas this weekend. It's Memorial Day, and it's gonna be like like all of the cool techno DJs are there. Oh, wow.
1:35Speaker 3Yeah. Thank God. I know. Thank God. But I married a woman too that, like, we're like, that sounds like hell. Yes. Yeah. No doubt. At least my girl just wants to go see country music concerts. That's cool. Yeah. Very But she loves going and seeing concerts,
1:51Speaker 2Yeah. I'm not as much as I used to. No. I always, like, I'll always, like, gravitate toward my old punk rock scene. It's
1:57Speaker 2like it's been so long and I'll be like, Wow, man, I used to love this stuff every Friday, Saturday, punk rock shows, baby. I've never been big in the music, like going to music shows. I don't know.
2:22Speaker 3go see him in Vegas a couple of weekends ago. But, you know, she's seen Taylor Swift several like, she just keeps going to these things. And I don't care. She's like, hey, can I go? I'm like, why are asking? Yes.
2:37Speaker 2So walk around naked for a couple days. That's fun. Take a nap. Yeah. Exactly. All good. Great. Especially like an orange, dude. It's like, when you're young, like, you probably were up to no good, but now it's like, damn, I'm just gonna take a couple naps. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, you get so boring. It's like, I love boring, though. Yeah.
2:57Speaker 2We are going to spend some time for those who know, you know, probably know Will and I own a business or businesses together.
3:04Speaker 2We're gonna just kinda plot the attack. We're very blessed to have some people in our lives, I think, on both sides that, you know, are pretty good in different business avenues. You know, I've been talking with Mark Moss about some ideas we discussed and vice versa. Just sit down and
3:25Speaker 3because there is so much possibility. Those of you I had somebody at Home Depot the other day
3:31Speaker 3ask me as 1 that was like, what do I I know you're busy, but like, I don't know. I don't I'm not gonna get anywhere here at Home Depot. Like, I want to do something more. Like, where do you suggest on that I how do I start?
3:48Speaker 3She's 1 of the ladies she works there at Home Depot. Right? I was looking for some I don't know.
3:56Speaker 3feet in our warehouse to, like, do something different. So I'm trying to rig up these, like, long curtains. Anyway, so and, you know, that's a tough. It's a good it's a good question. Like, well, 1st things 1st is, like, you keep asking these questions. Right? Like, keep being curious and keep your brain thinking. But I do think that there is
4:18Speaker 3to do it. Like, I don't care who it is, you can't just, you need to basically become an expert
4:24Speaker 3in whatever the hell the business happens to be. And usually people do this by accident, right? They don't, so it's tough, right? I did not plan to be, to like make a living off of
4:37Speaker 3if I look back, right, for the last 10 years, this all I've been doing, right, is supplements,
5:02Speaker 3peptides do, not just like the economics of everything and- Anything nutrition. Connections. Yes,
5:07Speaker 3exactly. And so there's, you can't really manufacture that, right? You just gotta- Time. You just have to spend the time and that's tough, right, because it took that many years and like, you don't wanna make the wrong decision. But I think that rarely does a person go, all right. I'm gonna sit down. This is where I'm gonna be in change. This is where I'm gonna wanna be an expert. So I'm gonna start my journey here like, sorry, it doesn't happen. I think you just gotta live your life, be curious, have your brain open to everything,
5:34Speaker 3So then when an opportunity comes, because like, you're not if you sit around waiting for that billion dollar idea Yeah.
5:43Speaker 3And and even if it does come and you've just been sitting out, you can't maximize it because you got no practice doing anything. Right? So even if you get that billion dollar idea, bet you screwed up,
5:58Speaker 2that's the point though. Keep trying. Keep trying. I, I'd I'd posted something real on this where
6:08Speaker 2billion dollar ideas and not necessarily 1000000000, but I'll just use that as how we say it. But when you wake up at 2 in the morning and you're like, wow,
6:21Speaker 2lets that, that they'll go sleep back to sleep and they'll think they'll remember the next day it's gone forever. I believe that's God talking to your soul, talking to your subconscious,
6:37Speaker 2Secondly, I did my podcast, the iron perspective on this actually last podcast, which was if
6:44Speaker 2any type of 1, you got to find your purpose, 2, you got to, if you want a direction, you start by getting in shape.
6:58Speaker 2Because it's hard as hell. Yes. Right? Because everybody would have them otherwise because everybody wants them. Yep. Right? So on that journey of the discipline, you become a better person. And if you start to how did you learn to do studied it. You you watched videos before we did this was even on our radar. After the meetings, we're like, hey, did you like, we've talked about a compound. Yeah. And we had, ironically, both had been watching some of the same guys. Yeah. Right? That's just studying because they're super intrigued by it, but I believe success leaves clues. Yes. And success,
7:37Speaker 2Most just won't follow it. Those will not read and study. Cause like we get questions all the time. Like it's kind of silly questions, but it's like, how do you think we learned this? We freaking studied it. Yeah. Hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and and then implement Right.
8:00Speaker 2to start a business, you basically, to a degree, have to have, for lack of a better way to say about the Steel. Yes. Because there's a big ass risk. And
8:08Speaker 2so many people are scared of the failure of that risk that they don't try. Yep, absolutely. And, that's why,
8:16Speaker 2Jeremy Jackson had articulated this in a very, very unique way, and I loved it. I've never stopped thinking about it. I talk about the black sheep. You and I are both black sheep because
8:24Speaker 2we're in recovery and I believe some people come out the womb just different and we were headed in that direction and
8:31Speaker 2you don't know how to contain it. When you do and you learn how to focus, which we both have and put it to the right places, damn, we can shine. That's how we hire alcoholics. Right.
8:59Speaker 2those are the people that they will not let this race die. Meaning when the bear comes running at you, 90% are running this way and 10% are going, right, bro. Like it's you or me bro, but I'm living today. You know what I mean? And those are the people that like kind of get shut into drugs and alcohol, but they have that risk tolerance like us. They're like,
9:20Speaker 3if it don't work, it don't work. I guess I'll figure it out. Yeah. Like, let's jump. Yes. You know what I mean? I And most people don't have that. Yep. Agreed. I mean, if you look at, like, let's say firefighters, for example. Yeah. The alcoholism
9:31Speaker 3rates amongst firefighters is, like, huge, and I actually would argue that it's probably not because the fire the trauma that they see on the job creates that. I think that Right. Those are the people who decide to become firefighters. Yeah. Those are the people who think it's a good idea to run into a fire. Okay. And they have something already wrong with them. Sure. But that survive that is this that is the
9:53Speaker 3survival of the species. And then, I mean, another here's another 1. So back in ancient times, right, so alcoholism,
9:59Speaker 3right, is a disease. Okay? It's an incurable disease. Like every other uncurable disease,
10:06Speaker 3everything Finally, the hosts die off, okay? In the history of the world, right? All diseases that are like fatal
10:16Speaker 3the hosts finally die off and the disease dies off forever. Okay? But not so with alcoholism, right? Because
10:23Speaker 3back in the day, like to William Wallace, right, he was the alcoholic, right? And the tribe- Right. Did everything they could to artificially keep him alive because
10:32Speaker 3he was their only salvation, like in people like him, right, that would just run towards
10:40Speaker 3even though he would do some dumb crazy stuff, the tribe would still be like, no, it's okay. Come on. Come on, dad. We won't kick you kick you out quite yet. And
11:03Speaker 3so like for drugs and alcohol, people are like, Oh, I'm not going do that again because my detox was so bad. Good luck. You'll that shit
11:10Speaker 3tomorrow. You're right. Yeah. But you will remember how great just doing a little bit of it felt. Right? And like, because, like, back in ancient times when we had when the when the when the men went out to go hunting, right, we were to go kill a bunch of buffalo, let's say, it was hard and your buddies died and it was miserable, right? People got gouged and friends
11:30Speaker 3died and then you were starving to death and that sucked, right? But when you come home and you fed
11:41Speaker 3feeling, right, outweighed everything. Sure. And a logical person a logical person would go,
11:48Speaker 3was that worth it? Wait a minute. All of this death and misery just for this. Right? Like, I don't think that's worth it. Why don't we just be berry eaters?
12:04Speaker 3to enjoy that pleasure spike. And guess what? This is why we're never content. You know what I'm saying? We're never content. We did and this is why our species survives because
12:15Speaker 3we always just want more. We want that pleasure despite it being the harder thing to do.
12:25Speaker 2you know, with our channels and, like, Will doesn't get to see this many of the comments. I send cool ones to him though, but like, I got a comment from the guy and, certain ones moved me and he was,
12:39Speaker 2to a degree saved my life to the degree I needed them at that time to talk about my sobriety posts and stuff like that. He was a firefighter. And he said, fell into alcoholism and,
12:59Speaker 2that they write in, like people like the show, people enjoy us. We never thought we'd be talking to people enjoying us. That's
13:06Speaker 2kind of weird, but cool. We're stoked. Like, but we have such a story where we just share it. I, you know, my things, I say, tell
13:13Speaker 2your story, tell your stories, tell your story. But I didn't tell my stories about sobriety.
13:16Speaker 2It wouldn't have affected that guy who now wants to pick up the torch and affect other people. So, you know, honestly, to the listeners, I mean, we probably don't say it enough, a little bit, but like, we're grateful as hell for you guys. We, everyone starts off as you're grateful, you love the show. You listen to them over and over and, like,
13:34Speaker 2it's just we we did this by 2 dudes that got sober and changed their lives and loved talking about this stuff. And, I believe when you try to give back to the world, God puts his hand off For sure. Where we're sitting here, and, he definitely has his hand on this podcast because, dude,
13:51Speaker 2we definitely ain't the smartest guys out there, and, but you enjoy it, so we're glad to hear. Right. Yes. You know what mean? So right. It's mind blowing that Good stuff. Let's start us off, my man. All right. So here we go. Question 1: How could someone like myself get started
14:04Speaker 3involved in peptide therapy for others? Right? I have my RN license, which I'm sure means nothing but in the setting of a clinic,
14:13Speaker 3could. However, in the research space, not so much. Is the research space a better place to
14:28Speaker 3I'd like to learn more. Is this online? I hear you speak of a conference. Enjoy your show so much. It was recommended
14:34Speaker 3to me by my hormone doc. Sweet. And I'm so glad that she shared it with me. I learned so much and now just completely binge and all the things peptides and impatiently wait for your next show. If this topic isn't a good 1 to be aired, I completely understand. Mr. Will T Haas, that's imitating you saying that.
14:53Speaker 3JD's voice, since you're an avid reader. That's a good question. Yeah. Oh, that is. Yep. So it was, I completely understand. Good
14:59Speaker 3question. Very interesting. I'm just trying to ask you that, but you want me to take you whenever I'm I
15:08Speaker 3your RN license, correct, like, that does not give you any powers to prescribe anything right now. So so it doesn't help there, but it sure, like you said, gives you some clout. Right? You you
15:32Speaker 3really guide them through like therapy, peptide therapies, right, then like the research only space is not the space because the whole point there, the research only space is you may not absolutely
15:43Speaker 3sell peptides and at the same time tell people how to use them because they are fundamentally
15:56Speaker 3you cannot do that. Okay? So if you to, if you actually want to be able to tell people how to use peptides and write and make some money off of it, The research space isn't the spot to do it. I would probably find it, 1st of all, establish yourself as an expert and, like, really, really know your stuff. Maybe find a doctor who's already,
16:20Speaker 3But, hey, if your goal is to make money, also, you said you have some money and some time, there is absolutely
16:26Speaker 3opportunities in the research space to and even, like, the easiest entry, the easiest way to enter, there are bigger companies that are essentially distributors,
16:35Speaker 3and they are the ones who source and house all of the products. Just like most products out there in this world, you can create a website and
16:49Speaker 3link up with that distributor and they will send their products to your customers and white label their products. Look like I white label your products so they look like yours. Nobody will know. And nobody will know, and your job is just to market
17:05Speaker 2Yeah, we, we're talking about this off camera about some other stuff and, everybody thinks that they can sell peptides because they're so, you know, they're great, they're everybody loves them and, they sold a few to their cousins and stuff, but it's not as easy as people think. And just because we've met a lot of people that have crossed our paths and had questions and stuff and
17:24Speaker 2it is a great market. You can't sell them directly. It's research purpose only. There's gray everywhere
17:34Speaker 2and banks shut down peptide companies. I could go on and on and on. So I think when people
17:40Speaker 2think through this, and this isn't meant to deter you for whatever your objectives are, but it's a lot of difficult, more difficult than I think most people do think. It can't be done, just has to be done properly. Now,
18:02Speaker 2know, when we were younger, you know, even gear and things like that that we were into and just,
18:15Speaker 2And so what I would recommend you start where everything in your headphones, peptides,
18:22Speaker 2listen, listen, listen, YouTube when you're not working. And even how I do it when I'm trying to like study something in particular is I have whatever I've studied in my ears at all times, even if I'm not really listening, you get little glimpses and you might get a nugget and I write it down and I write it down into
18:49Speaker 2that well if you don't have your firsthand knowledge of how it works. Like how I was talking about Tesofensine. I hated it. I thought it was Tesofit. And then I'm not even like following my own advice to give some time. Tried it again. I love it. I think it's amazing.
19:09Speaker 2Women, it's finally coming around hormone replacement. I would definitely start to dig into that.
19:16Speaker 2But to answer your question, it's just a lot of studying. Should you get into the research side?
19:21Speaker 2Like we said, it's a lot harder, but there are companies that if you can find the marketing,
19:26Speaker 2can literally just white label and send them out and nobody would know that it wasn't you. So they're there, but the studying part and you educating them, that's the part that can only come with a lot of time on your hands. So
19:43Speaker 2Mister William T. Haws, JD's voice. Since you're an avid reader, what books can you recommend on peptides? What sources have been most formative for you?
19:56Speaker 2PS, I just started my peptide journey about 6 weeks ago, found your podcast and have listened to nearly every episode, some even 2 or 3 times just because there's so much to unpack. Very agreeable for you both. Please keep it up, Rob. Good stuff. Alright, you're okay to answer that 1. I have read
20:14Speaker 3so early on, there were several books that I started reading and to be honest, was like not very impressed with any of them. I
20:24Speaker 3too evolving and new research is coming out. These things are so new. Any book that is written is going to be old news probably by the time that you are reading it. And so
20:36Speaker 3I haven't really spent any time actually reading books on peptides. Now, what I will read, so your number 1 most valuable thing for actual real
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21:46Speaker 3and and there's no 1 source. Just like everything on the Internet, right, you better be reading 10 different sources
21:52Speaker 3about the same thing because there's a lot of idiots that just can, I mean, can write whatever the hell they want? Right? And if you just believe everything that you read, there's problems. So PubMed, I would do PubMed and you just deep dive, right? Like, it's like you read 1 article and then the words you don't know in there,
22:09Speaker 3you research each 1 of those. Then you read up on those on each word, right? So there is a lot,
22:17Speaker 3that's the best thing I can give you. Now, I will say that Jay Campbell, who we had on here, right,
22:32Speaker 3or something like that. Way before its time. Way before its time. Like, that was very helpful, and I know how he writes. Like, he just put out his he's got a book literally that's this big.
22:51Speaker 3But I bet you could probably you could actually trust a lot of stuff that Jay Campbell was gonna put out.
22:58Speaker 3There's that's a lot to say about this that I never knew that somebody would have that much to say on on different ones, but it's got a ton of research information. So I think, I don't know, any print books, I would that's the only thing there's probably other ones out there, so don't be mad at me for not knowing everything people, but
23:14Speaker 2PubMed is your best, that's where I would go. Yeah, I've always, the way I've always kind of done it, regardless
23:21Speaker 2of what it is I'm studying, whether it be supplements, gear, peptides, whatever. I have people that I trust fasting.
23:30Speaker 2I lost into a lot of different fasting stuff and I kind of deciphered who I didn't like and who I kind of obviously could tell who knew what they were talking about. And then I kind of wounded it down and I just gorged myself. I'm such an OCD guy that when I'm just, I want to learn everything about it because I'm just, you know what I mean? And that's always worked for me. So that's how I would, how I do it at least is podcasts,
23:52Speaker 2a lot of YouTube, find some certain people that I like, and then just take notes. And then I would, if I was you and wanted to learn about peptides, I would write them all out and then take notes on every 1 of them. And that's how I learn. Have to write things out. Reading them just goes in when they're out. Have to write down notes and that's how I do it. And there are conferences
24:16Speaker 3Google search that. There's definitely something like peptide conferences, like a peptide world conference. They'll have keynote
24:27Speaker 20 As we are talking to these 1st 2 questions, something that was kind of, that just was really rad that just dawned on me is,
24:39Speaker 2dad, I never thought I was going get my dad to inject an appetite. I tried and tried and tried. He's had back problems. I'm like, Bob, listen, you know what your son does for a living? You know what mean? And finally, he broke down at Christmas and he's like, What do you think he said? That wasn't that bad. I told you it wasn't that. Now he gets
24:57Speaker 2but it's awesome. And now he's always telling all his friends about peptides and stuff, but that's how it works, man. And it's so rad. And I was thinking of this, I mean, no one's ever talked
25:07Speaker 2about a pharmaceutical drug. Did you know about this? He's done like spread like wildfire. And the reason is because they work, man. It's just, I love seeing it. It's just amazing, like, and scallop top, You're
25:21Speaker 2but probably many haven't heard of how my 1st interaction with peptides was from this dude right here is when I had tendonitis and,
25:28Speaker 2I had never even heard about peptides. And I was like, take this, BPC-one 5 7. I'm like, what the hell is that? What? You know, and it worked. I was like, holy shit. Wow. You know, I fell in love.
25:46Speaker 3Next 1. Hi, guys. I love the podcast and everything you do. Very grateful for the info you put out. So my wife and I both ran Ipamorelin and IGF-1LR
25:56Speaker 3weeks dose of Ipamorelin at 150 micrograms at night before bed and 20 micrograms of IGF-1LR
26:04Speaker 3Post workouts, we got great results. But right at the end of our 4 week cycle, we noticed our lips turn a shade darker and some common moles
26:12Speaker 3get darker. My question is, have you heard of this happening, or is it due to our GH levels going up? That is this is the closest thing I have found. High GH levels cause those symptoms. Just wanted to know if you think once our levels return to normal, if these symptoms will fade, or if there's something more serious to worry about. I've got mixed answers researching on my own. I was also concerned because I wanted to eventually hop on real GH and started to wonder if this is something to watch out for on GH itself. Any of your thoughts, greatly appreciated, and thank you once again for everything you guys do. Keep up the great work. God bless.
26:59Speaker 3I don't think I've experienced that. I haven't. And I've been taking HGH for a long time. I don't think, I know that, but also, so those
27:14Speaker 3for what we know, yeah, those will go down those will go down once you get off. But, yeah, I don't know. I've never experienced that, and I've never had anybody else ever actually experience it, and I've been taking real growth. Both at the same time. Both at same time.
27:27Speaker 21 of you had that, we we all are act different. When when you and your bride, I was like, wow, that's weird. That is weird. Both of you. Right. Because I've never. And you're not taking a high dose. Like, both of those dosages are are that free the Ipamorelin is a super low dose,
27:43Speaker 33 is also a low, like, starting dose. So I don't that is odd. I mean, the other thing that makes that happen is Melanotan II. I know. So those are the last where you're taking that by chance?
27:57Speaker 3but you would have known, like, here's the deal. Let's say you thought you were taking something, but it was actually MTN 2. Did you get nauseous when you injected it after?
28:12Speaker 3If so, then you probably were taking Melanotan II because that stuff definitely makes your makes freckles darker, makes them pop out. But when you stop, they do decrease. So that's good news.
28:27Speaker 2issue, I've never really heard. I've read a little bit about that. It can, I've just never seen it happen. So again, with you and your bride, they're both happening. That's odd to me, but it is what it is. Guess I
28:37Speaker 2would say I would change out them out for the HGH anyway, dude. I think he's 50, right? Did he say?
28:56Speaker 2actual HGH better than any secretagogue personally if I had to choose 1 without a doubt, hands down.
29:01Speaker 2So why don't you try that? Why don't you try it for a few months? See if you have that same problem. If not, there you go. Mhmm.
29:18Speaker 25 to 6 days a week in great shape. Diet is on point and very clean. Looking for recommendations
29:57Speaker 3It's not something you wanna mess with. And so like your type 1 diabetes, like that gets,
30:02Speaker 3you know, you know who that question asker. Yeah, you know. It is serious. So like any of the secretagogues,
30:17Speaker 3that are FDA approved, they're definitely not FDA approved for people with type 1 diabetes because
30:29Speaker 3of your glucose levels and that's what you really, really need. Hopefully, you you said your diet at some point, good for you. Absolutely.
30:37Speaker 3because you're with type 1 diabetes. Right? That makes life a lot easier. So that's tough. I still think, you know, 3 to 5 pounds, like, I don't know, depending on how well you can monitor. I mean,
30:54Speaker 3I don't know. It's up to you though. I'm not gonna say you should do that, but that is something that will work a 100%. But I don't know. No, the secretagogues,
31:04Speaker 3let me think on that. I don't know, JD, what do you think? I would say from your goals,
31:19Speaker 2better performance. You're, you know, you're, you're 46 years old. You got some aches and pains for sure.
31:45Speaker 2but I know I would probably steer away from that. So I'm not going to leave that 1 alone on 4 for the premenopausal.
31:54Speaker 2diabetes, I would not generally for a gal that's going through a premenopausal and that type of stuff. I would say 880SS-31MontC,
32:05Speaker 241 for the sex drive and then Selank for just kind of keep your mood in line. And then lastly,
32:19Speaker 3would just do 1 at a time. Yeah. Check your glucose like more frequently than you normally do. You're
32:29Speaker 2You know, you're on a good spot as it is. I just wouldn't mess with that stuff. So I'd go low, go low and slow. But the AOD I think is a good, is a good 1. The BPC and the TB and the AOD, those 2, can run together. Get, I bet you get a lot from that. Yeah. Kisspeptin
32:56Speaker 3to try out. But really, yes, be wary of anything that's going to affect that blood sugar insulin sensitivity axis. Sure. Okay, whatever you do,
33:09Speaker 3Keep a good eye on it so you can do something to adjust it if something's going weird. Shoot that. Alright.
33:20Speaker 3Praying God continues blessing you with strength, knowledge, and love to help us brothers and sisters through this peptide way of life. 50
33:40Speaker 3using pellets. Wow. Cool. Current protocol is 5 mg of Wolverine direct to shoulder for inflammation,
33:59Speaker 3I do red light therapy, cold plunge sauna 3 to 5 times a week. I recently hired a personal trainer to set goals to get to 1 85 and add muscle. Starting to max out my fitness budget, but what additional pebs
34:32Speaker 3it seems like there's a few people that can earn their way to doing a lot of things. Right? And it sounds like, dude, you have earned your way and you're right to,
34:42Speaker 3to use these because it's working. And you're doing everything else, right, that is necessary along with this. Right? You're not just going, I'm just gonna use some drugs and and, you know, you're doing it it seems like you made a ton of progress, so proof is in the pudding. It's working.
34:59Speaker 3And we can't really tell you, hey, this is how much Retta you should do. Right? I would slowly
35:08Speaker 3decreases of Retta. Right? Legitimately like that. What I mean by that is, say, so if you're at 2.5,
35:27Speaker 3You and only you my guess is it's gonna be more of like a increase of you might wanna do an increase of 0.25
35:39Speaker 3because I just don't I don't want you ending at 10 mgs of Reta. I think that's probably just too much.
35:49Speaker 3It sounds like you already are. You got a trainer, but, like, dude, that that is gonna be the key to keeping that weight loss off and keeping
36:00Speaker 3a sec HGH, secreted gog, 100% or HGH. Not you said you're 50 years old, shit. I would just do I would just do regular growth. 1
36:33Speaker 2There's some other studies coming out with that, that like once you go over the 4, it doesn't like catapult you forward. So I,
36:40Speaker 2we both are in agreement you wanna get off of Tirzepatide. I mean, you've done great. You seem like a very, very in tune dude who's very focused and that goes a long way. And the goal is not to stay on Retatrutide in
36:57Speaker 2and start trying to relay like rely on like you and good habits and diet and your exercise, what you're kicking butt at. And as
37:08Speaker 2try to start putting some, taking some of that stuff out, you know, and start to have your base,
37:13Speaker 2which, you know, guys like Will and I comes easy because we've worked out our whole lives. That kind of stuff, like it's just non negotiable,
37:20Speaker 2but make it a non negotiable for you to change your damn life. Seem to be, you're stoked. You've seen huge changes. You've tasted
37:28Speaker 2now what it how great it feels to get better at something and now you have your goal. It's written down here 185.
37:35Speaker 2You will do it. Like, let's try to not, like, rely on on compounds. Let's, like, get to the basics. You know what I mean? I think you're gonna do it. So and you got a trainer.
38:06Speaker 2people get really hungry. So if that's gonna mess you up and throw a curve ball at you, then that will be kind of up to you. You could try it, but that will give you some size
38:22Speaker 2that will give you size. It's not gear. So try that. But good job, man. You're kicking butt dude. That's
38:28Speaker 2awesome. Keep us posted, man. I wanna see if you get to that. And, man, run that HGH. Nothing. You're 50 years old. TRT,
38:42Speaker 2So good stuff. All right. Yep. All right. Okay. My doctors have been pushing statins for my APOB
39:15Speaker 3Yeah. So I don't I don't have I do not have any personal experience with Cardiogen or Vesuvian,
39:33Speaker 3right, targets vascular tissue, which is a good thing, and that's what we want. We're looking for cardio protective
39:46Speaker 3has like, it's been used in Eastern Europe and there's a whole lot of, there is a lot of research in
40:22Speaker 3I think that that's also great. I think your biggest thing, dude, I think you're right to kind of not wanna take statins
40:53Speaker 2but it has to start with your diet. Oh yeah, that base. I wish you would have told us what your diet was because that's definitely huge. Dude, huge on the statins. I'm sure by now most people know my thing. I don't think anybody should take a statin, good job on that. The Retta will improve the cardiovascular outcome because it's going to bring down your weight.
41:11Speaker 2The KPV, the BPC TV, great. I think you can just cut it out and do CLO and you can kind of get the benefits from all of them.
41:34Speaker 2it's a little bit different fasting for women and men. It's definitely a little bit different, but for men, man, the benefits are off the fricking charts. I mean, literally, if you just slow down and just think logically.
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42:46Speaker 2like, it doesn't matter where you're from, fasting is done there. So that should answer a lot of it for people.
42:59Speaker 216 hours when you get to a 16 hour, which is nothing once you start doing it, it really isn't, especially if you're working, like you don't, you're working, you don't think about it. But 16 hours is when autophagy starts and autophagy is when dead cells die off and then brand new ones take their place. So if you could do a 72 hour fast
43:18Speaker 2then maybe Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, do like longer fast, you know, start slow, like just take out breakfast,
43:25Speaker 2and that means no cream in your in your coffee. You know, it's just black coffee, but from 12 to 8, 3 days a week, eat. And that's your window. The rest of the time you're fasting. And I know that sounds hard for people, but it really is not that. Actually, it was when I started at 12:00, it seemed like it was like so far away, but
43:55Speaker 2learned years and years ago, about 10 years ago when I started fasting that like when I'm faced with something hard, which you are,
44:07Speaker 272 hour fast when your mind is not in it is a bitch. It just really is, but like meat hard with hard. And again, it's something spiritual about it too,
44:20Speaker 2it. I think that and the diet, as Will said, I think those 2 are gonna supersede any peptide at this point.
44:26Speaker 3Nice. Nice. Alright. Next 1. So I have a friend that was in a motorcycle accident about 3 years ago, damaged his ankle pretty bad,
44:35Speaker 3has had numerous surgeries, and it's now been a few years since the last 1. That has left him a lot of scar tissue, ligament and nerve damage. I know the nerves are more are most likely just to take time, but will Warverine blend help at this point with the residual scar tissue and ligament damage, or has it just been too long? I know it helps tremendously with new injuries, but haven't heard,
44:58Speaker 3you cover anything regarding really old injuries. Thanks for all you do. Your podcast has been a tremendous blessing and a journey,
45:04Speaker 3to my journey, and I'm hoping to pass some benefits on to those important in my life. Right on, dude. So absolutely,
45:25Speaker 3they've decided to not stop healing, right, peptides absolutely can make a difference.
45:32Speaker 3hundred, for sure. I would do, I mean, the Wolverine blend, yes. TB-five hundred is like notorious for really helping to kick start old chronic injuries or dormant injuries that have decided to just give up on the healing process.
45:49Speaker 3like, do the injections right in that ankle. You know, it may be a triangle around the around the main traumatic injury portion. You do it. Your mom did it like the ship clip. Do it. Do it. Ship clip. Yeah. And this way, at least your ankle, you can you can you can grab your own skin. Right? But you can just go, you know, you could just put it right underneath the skin and sub q or or intramuscular,
46:13Speaker 3I've I've I've inject, like, in my tendon. It's kind of a weird feeling, and I would use a brand new needle, but I've done it. I've done it. So
46:34Speaker 3and that's not an actual hernia. Although, I had surgery for the hernia. They woke me up on after the surgery and said, well, we didn't find a hernia, but we still, like, line both insides of your stomach Fix your elbow, though. With metal mesh. And I'm like, alright. Good. Yeah. I guess It'll be harder when somebody stabs me in the stomach. Hopefully, their knife bounces off the metal mesh, but, yeah, it still hurt in the same place. So what I have is a sports hernia is essentially like 1 of the tendons coming up from my groin that was attached to my pelvis bone.
47:10Speaker 3I couldn't sprint. Like, there was no running as fast as I can, rolling over at night in bed, like, I had to lift this leg up.
47:41Speaker 3a little bit of BPC in the beginning and the end. This was early on in my journey. That coupled with a lot of mobility,
47:52Speaker 3and all of a sudden, 8 weeks later, I kind of woke up 1 day, I'm like, this is like, there's
47:57Speaker 3literally no pain there. And it's been gone ever since. It's the most actually like really
48:09Speaker 3I went to Beverly Hills surgeons and their best thing was to, we'll just clip the nerve, clip the nerve. So you can't feel that.
48:26Speaker 2yep, I would do that. That's what I would do. That's what I think- That's great, man. I, like him. I think everybody has a BPC or a TB story. Everybody has 1 story like that. I remember I had this, I think it was my left, I don't even know which 1 it is now because I couldn't lift my shoulder up forever, like literally ever years, years. And then,
48:43Speaker 2when we had, got to do Wolverine in, we at 1st were like thinking that there was Together, they weren't Yeah, yeah. We talked about it, blah blah blah. So I didn't have
48:53Speaker 2that much hope in it because, you know, we had talked about it a little bit, but I'm like, let me try it. And,
49:00Speaker 23 days in this shoulder and I'm not even kidding you. Was like, holy shit. Like, woah, dude, I have not lifted my shoulder. I arm above my shoulder. And so freaking low, I was blown away by it, literally blown away by it. So the
49:14Speaker 2answer is yes. Nerves take a long time to do. I had almost had drop foot to the degree where they thought I was going to lose mobility in my ankle and my foot.
49:26Speaker 2it took forever for that thing to get back. But I think you need to tell your friend to get moving,
49:34Speaker 2get moving, walk on it, like try to run on it and just get blood flowing through that.
49:44Speaker 3get blood flowing. Yep. That and the teeth and the Wolverine is gonna do you wonders, man. Yeah. And kind of the worst thing a person can do, if you weren't trying to heal something is to
49:52Speaker 3do nothing. Yeah. Right? Like, you need it. For example, if it's an ankle, right, to just straight immobilize it and not let it move, it it'll heal, but very slowly and heal, not very mobile. Right? Yeah. It needs to be moved. Right? Yeah. It needs blood. Right? Blood is our well, it works. Blood. Like Supposed to. It needs blood, but it you can't, we don't want you moving it so so much so fast where you get this, like,
50:15Speaker 3spike of pain. Right? We're kind of looking for this dull pain. That's a good sign. Right?
50:21Speaker 3God made us with pain for a reason. If it's like fucking really sharp pain, that means stop.
50:27Speaker 3Right? The dull pain is okay. That's good for it. It's bringing blood in there. It's going to heal. But,
50:41Speaker 2I hope this isn't redundant. I've heard you guys talk before about combining peptides into 1 syringe
50:58Speaker 2Obviously NAD wouldn't be every day, but on days I do, I'd rather add it if possible rather than another stick. I've read and heard some have issues with the AOD gelling. So is it that? Is it the no do to combine
51:21Speaker 2and some have said 0.5 and 0.5. Mhmm. So much conflicting information. Just wondering if you could please clarify that 1 so I don't waste it. I love the podcast and I've learned so much and truly appreciate all your helpful information you guys give. Thanks so much, Miranda.
51:37Speaker 3Yep. So this 1 comes up, yeah, a lot. Okay. So Miranda, here's the thing. I just I don't have a
51:46Speaker 3you will notice if you do this enough and you try enough things. So I know that, like, HGH should be done just by itself. Okay? So should HCG.
52:16Speaker 3I can't remember what it was with the HGH, but I would say like, hey, the HGH keep it by itself. I know you maybe didn't ask about that, but, the Retas, GLP-1s, keep them by themselves.
52:42Speaker 3acetic acid and of bacterial static water. Yeah. Okay? With some with like some glycerol to to helps
52:49Speaker 3kill the sting of the acetic acid. So, no, you do not wanna mix the AOD with like 100%
52:57Speaker 3You should be able to, and we can if you want DM us, we can kind of tell you exactly where to buy this premixed correct mixture
53:09Speaker 3should only be mixed with AOD and SLU-3P. Like I can't, if you mix it with anything else, it will ruin the other ones. HGH frag. So that HGH frag was like basically AOD. So
53:24Speaker 3the AOD up and then now you try to draw something else up that, and now it's got the AOD water in it, it will ruin the other 1. It'll make that gel up or look really weird. So, no. So AOD,
53:44Speaker 3But if you mix, if you draw 1 thing and then you draw the next thing and it, like, dramatically changes
53:58Speaker 3just injected it quickly. I'm like, oh shit, let's just do it fast before it, like, coagulates together.
54:12Speaker 2even Paul's on and he kind of shifted his answer, think, because we had posted something and we got attacked. I'm used to it. I don't think he is. And
54:22Speaker 2so, I mean, my answer is gonna be a little bit different because I've done it a lot and I don't think there's necessarily an actual right or wrong. It's why
54:32Speaker 2done the HGH separate. I never mixed the Retatrutide and I never would mix my ECG. Those are just ones I wanted to do separate because I wanted those to make sure those ones worked. And as time went on, I'm like, I'm tired and I'm in a hurry today. I just started eventually mixing them all and I never had a problem. So I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying I do.
54:51Speaker 2I have mixed them together even with the AOD because it's 1 of my favorite compounds and I just personally haven't had a problem with it. So Paul would disagree with me, will might too. I've done it and I don't have a problem with it. I'm not saying you should copy me or him, Just try them both maybe and see which 1 works for you. And if you don't think that you want to, then don't. It's sensible. I
55:14Speaker 2really that simple. I don't think there is an actual right or wrong. If it bugs you, it gets a little cloudy, which it doesn't for me,
55:27Speaker 3I don't know. Maybe I am. Is it a Hello Warriors? Sure. All right. Hello Warriors hot topic, endometriosis.
55:37Speaker 3wants to put me on birth control for cramps and painful cycles. I'm 34, no kids, Hashimoto's,
55:46Speaker 3semi high fat diet. I live 5 days a week and walk 5 to 8 miles a day. I know endo has a lot to do with inflammation, but curious if you have had anyone anyone do peptides for this. Currently taking KPV,
56:05Speaker 2Yeah. So what an interesting question. This just came up. We just did pockets on it. Did we?
56:16Speaker 3It's kind of a complex that I don't I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna kinda bow out like I am not
56:22Speaker 3prepared to give you an answer on that 1. I will. I'll ask Paul to see if he's got a specific protocol for that,
56:37Speaker 2Yeah, she's done the obviously, she's done some research because those are actually right. So Paul's thing, I listened to our podcast over because I wanted to kind of get his protocol because he was talking and we dug deep into auto immune, which we pretty much all have,
57:08Speaker 2and it's a very, very low dose. I wish I had my phone and I would tell you it's literally virtually nothing. And LL-thirty 7 and well knows if you take too much, it'll be You get a Hirzmire reaction. Yeah. Right? A Hirzheimer, excuse me.
57:21Speaker 3Because basically it is just it is pulling all the toxins out of your bloodstream and then there's toxins 1st Go to your body. Kind of get unleashed into your body and you kind of perks
57:32Speaker 3out. Right? His solution to that is add in some VIP right away to flush those immediately,
57:53Speaker 2So I would definitely go back and listen to the podcast last week. I did personally yesterday because I wanted to write that down. I didn't bring it. Didn't know we were going to go through this question, but that's
58:05Speaker 2kind of back to the basics again, you want to cut out sugar and seed oils and glucose.
58:10Speaker 2And I think that's going to help you as well. So, but read that. It'll help you with that.
58:24Speaker 2You're up. Alright. I'll take this home. Hello or hey, fellas. Love the show and learned so much from you guys. I have a 16 year old dog, this is for you, baby. Yeah. Dog that has really bad hips, and I heard you guys say on an episode that you would give BBC-one 157 to your dog to help. I have 10 mg Wolverine and would it be okay to give the blend to my dog? If so,
59:00Speaker 3hundred, right? TB-five hundred and BPC. You gave both. Yeah, I would absolutely do it. For sure. I'd probably give them like a, you know, so your dog, depending on how, what size your dog is. Yeah. You know, these the dosages really are all based upon weight. Yeah. And so if I'm gonna tell a grown man to take 2 mg of both of those,
59:31Speaker 3It actually probably would help a lot more too. So this one's on your budget. Like I'd give him as much as you possibly can and I would inject him right in both hips
59:51Speaker 3on k nines, especially from TB-five 100, by the way. So, yeah, give it to him. GHK-four. CU is another 1, but, like, good luck. If I give my dog GHK-four, he would bite my ass,
1:00:17Speaker 3right there. Not like getting messed up. Don't come close. Yeah. So I would still it was a struggle though. I mean, once it took me like 2.5 hours to pull out all these cactus barbs with a with with some needle nose pliers out of his paws. Jeez. Because whether he you know, he's got them sticking out of his face, and he ran to the back bay at night chasing a rabbit just
1:00:36Speaker 3full speed through there. Ugh. Just running through cactuses and Jeez. That'll hurt.
1:00:42Speaker 3Yeah. Poor guy. You lost for you. Yeah. Was No. He did not care. That was like, dude, if there was something I envy about that dog, like, the learning lesson is like, goddamn, I wish I had the passion
1:00:59Speaker 2used to have a meeting on my house on Wednesday during COVID and we'd have a bunch of guys come over and Will would put his dog out in my backyard. And this 1 time,
1:01:11Speaker 2we go in the backyard and he had killed 3 possums and laid them right next to each other, of was sitting there kind of like all proud.
1:01:19Speaker 2And I was like, how the hell did that happen? Because every time he looked at him, he's sitting there. But we never heard, like, a squeal or nothing. He laid them all out as if, like, he's doing, see? Yeah. I got it. And we were like, dude, that was crazy.
1:01:30Speaker 3We're we had possums back then? Yeah. Yeah. What the hell? I remember listening to me a picture of that. Yeah. Like,
1:01:35Speaker 3look what she was doing while we were it was only an hour. Yeah. I had cats inside. He would sit there and just stare at my cat. Yes. Or my wife had had cats. Yeah. But Yes. He would just they're like, oh, boy. I want you. I wanna eat.
1:01:49Speaker 2Well, that is the show guys. We are make sure you join us on school. We got big things coming for that. We've been pretty busy, but it's 1 of the things we're getting away to kinda get things in line and talk about that a little bit. And
1:02:17Speaker 2I guess we might have some, some DMS or whatnot. If you hear this prior and you have some ideas or some