Ep 21 · 30:26
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0:16Speaker 0you gotta keep good man down, man. So, Will, welcome here to the show, man. How's your day going so far? How was your week?
0:27Speaker 1How are you? Just got out of the just got out of the gym as I normally do in the morning times, and
0:47Speaker 0It's a thermostat fight constantly. So it's funny, a little tough a little funny story that people will, I think, will find some humor in, as Will and I worked in that office by ourselves for a while, and we had it super cold. We were freezing, actually. And then we had hired 2 gals to come in, and they don't like it as cold as Will, and I like it. So there's a battle for
1:08Speaker 1the temperature of the office. Yeah. I'll be talking to them or, like, doing them, like, am I sweating? What's happening? What?
1:23Speaker 1Liars, you're faking it. You're faking it, girl. I said, I don't know. Go run around the building or like Yeah. Eat some more food.
1:33Speaker 0knew knows, you know, man. Girls just get cold. Men are cold, men are hot. It is what it is. Right? Yeah. But like always, we just ran through the questions real quick just to see what we got. And man, I love the questions, man. We are enjoying this. We love talking about this stuff. And once again, there are some great 100 questions. So I'll read number 1, Will, and throw it to you.
2:00Speaker 0I still used it and stacked with Tirzepatide about another AOD 9 6 0 4, and it also was cloudy. Is AOD normally cloudy? Good question. Alright. Good question. So AOD
2:23Speaker 1of your AOD, right, on how much it's gonna gel up or go cloudy, right, or stay so less great less good quality AOD.
2:37Speaker 1along with bacterial static water. You just have to kinda find the right mixture. The AA water will help it actually dissolve into clear water.
2:52Speaker 1great quality. You should not need anything besides bacterial static water. But I also saw that they said this is AOD 9 6 0 4 10 ml. They actually they they had to have meant 10 mg.
3:05Speaker 1I would even dude, even even great quality 10 mg AOD in a 3 ml vial, you almost can't put enough water in there to mix it perfectly.
3:14Speaker 1So the stuff that I am used to, we is only 5 mg and for a reason. Because then you can put enough water in there and it should go perfectly clear like water, but you have to have the good stuff.
3:29Speaker 1yeah, 5 mg. But also, dude, good good for you just for using it. Right? It's not inherently bad if it's cloudy. Now I wouldn't if it's gelled up in there, I wouldn't suck the gel up. It'll probably clog your needle anyway.
3:48Speaker 1it worked. That's just the nature of AOD. We would like it to mix better, but that's just how it is.
4:00Speaker 0they're good after- I've got it. It's happened to me numerous times in regards to AOD. I love it. AOD is great. It's 1 of my favorite peptides.
4:08Speaker 0And it's just kind of part of the game, man. I personally, so people know, use it cloudy often. It is what it is, man. So works well for me. Yeah. You wanna take number 2? Sure. So I have been using Reta for 2 weeks,
4:21Speaker 1and I'm definite and I definitely have an appetite and have been going up and down by 3 pounds every other day. I'm definitely saying more definition in my body. I'm currently taking 10 units Monday, Wednesday, Friday with 1 ml reconstituted.
4:40Speaker 1Yeah. Love this. I mean, that's gonna be subjective. I mean, 10 units is great if you're doing it. It all depends on what your objective is. Are you trying to lose weight? Are you trying to get cut? Are you trying to get lean?
4:52Speaker 1Are you lifting weights? You know, different things because it's going be very different on why it's used.
5:13Speaker 1I've gone down in my dosage. Instead of doing 10 units, I've gone down to 5 and don't notice a difference in regards to it not working even as well as the 10 units.
5:29Speaker 1Less is always more, man. If you can get away with any compound, it doesn't matter which 1,
5:34Speaker 1you want to do less of that compound and you don't want to go up if you don't have to. So if, again, if you're trying to get lean and that's your objective, I don't even think you need to go up past 10. It's a very, very strong compound.
5:46Speaker 1And shoot, man, like you can even try to go down like me if you're just trying to stay lean and play around with it a little bit.
5:55Speaker 1I would like to add some things to clarify. So if they put 1 ml of water, then they're definitely talking about a 10 mg
6:06Speaker 1And then they're giving themselves 10 units. Right? So they're giving them so that they're they're giving themselves a dose of 1 mg,
6:17Speaker 1basically the starting dose. That's about that's where where everybody should start. That's 3 mg a week.
6:28Speaker 1gaining 3 pounds, but then losing 3 pounds every other day, but looking leaner. So it is working in those gains. 3 pounds, by the way, is not fat. Okay? It must be something else going on like water if you're actually looking leaner, but the scale essentially isn't changing.
6:46Speaker 1If you still have an appetite, that's the beauty of Reti. You still can eat food. It just forces you to
6:51Speaker 1control your portion control. Right? You eat less when you do eat. Now, like he said, if you increase that dose, right, your your appetite
7:13Speaker 1units 3 times a week. Right? You can always just go back down. Right? Like, plenty of people
7:20Speaker 1will go up, see how you feel. Right? Maybe bump up again and then go, oh, wow. That took away my appetite too much. Right? And then go back down. Go find your sweet spot and for what's working and what your goals are.
7:33Speaker 0Yeah. I mean, and 1 thing that we've discussed this, but let's tap on it again because when it comes to people that have tried Semaglutide or before they go into Retatrutide,
7:43Speaker 0think it doesn't work. The Retatrutide doesn't work because they actually have an appetite. The other 2, they didn't so much. So, they're used to not having an appetite, but that's the beauty of Retatrutide is it gives you you have an appetite, you can enjoy food, like you're not getting sick,
7:58Speaker 0you're not having some of the nausea that the other ones have yielded for a lot of people, right? So,
8:03Speaker 0that's the beauty of it. You're going to be able to eat, but the beauty of Retatrutide is you just get full quicker, so you enjoy your food, you eat less of it. So you
8:12Speaker 1keep your damn muscle on you. That's how you keep muscle, folks, is by eating protein. You need to eat some food, right? Those other ones people say, Hey, these are so bad. They just they kill your muscle. Right? They make your bones weak. They don't do that. That's what malnutrition to starvation does. No food will. If you don't eat,
8:34Speaker 1And if you really don't eat for a long time, you know, your eyesight gets bad. Your hair starts falling out. Right? This is what happens when we die of starvation slowly. So
8:49Speaker 1is a cheat code. Right? It just lets you it just forces you into that and doing it perfectly.
8:54Speaker 0Play around with it. You know, find your sweet spot with any type of compound. It's not 1 size fits all. We are all different human very differently. Our bodies respond.
9:03Speaker 0So find what works for you the best and then try to stick there. So what up, JD and Will? Thoughts on taking 2 IUs of HGH in the morning or at night? What is your preference and why? Much appreciated. So, yeah,
9:15Speaker 0I know Will and I both love HGH, we've talked about it numerous times, it's going be a staple in my
9:20Speaker 0stack always just because I love it. Low dose, in my opinion, I don't think there's much worry that you need to have on human growth hormone. So I take it in the morning, right when I wake up, fasted.
9:38Speaker 0at night is going to tell your body that I'm making it, you don't need to make its own. So that's why you take it in the morning and then you take like a secretagogue
9:46Speaker 0at night because the secretagogue is going to help your body to make its own. You don't want to shut your body off from making it. So if you take the HGH at night, you will do that.
10:04Speaker 1But in mean, why hey. Why even take stuff at night? Right? Why take Tesamorelin at all? I think the other question does, man, we're starting to realize that even HGH and Tesamorelin really help your sleep, man. It gives you great sleep,
10:18Speaker 1yeah, Tesamorelin in your body won't inhibit your body from from from its bigger pulse in the middle of the night. It will just kind of boost that pulse, Tesamorelin,
10:41Speaker 1So I tell people this often, like, there's peptides that were really not there yet for a
10:59Speaker 1we're just not there yet. There isn't anything that is going to just, like, put 10 pounds of lean muscle on you. Sorry, not gonna happen. No. You still the option is the best things possible is
11:11Speaker 1I would probably take, like, CJC Ipamorelin blend. Right? Those are HGH secreted gags,
11:18Speaker 1and they the Ipamorelin will actually boost your appetite a little bit. You'll eat a bit more.
11:31Speaker 1And how you gain weight and build muscle is you you eat more food. But the CJC epamorelin is kinda like it's probably the strongest secretagog. So that's gonna boost your HGH, which is gonna help your recovery. It's boosting your human growth hormone. So you will be able to repair faster and thus build more muscle. Frankly, like, you know,
11:58Speaker 1tissue. K? You are when we're in the gym and you're trying to you're trying to gain lean muscle, what you're doing is tearing your muscle down. Right? And it's always gonna grow back bigger and stronger than it was before because it's preparing for the trauma
12:12Speaker 1that you might do to it again. Right? It wasn't strong enough to do what you asked. So now it's gonna get bigger. And if you have something on board that's gonna help that recovery process, right, it might just grow back a little bit bigger than it would naturally and faster
12:25Speaker 1and faster. So you can work out more frequently and maybe get an extra workout in every 2 weeks, and therefore, it's that much more gains, right, over a long period of time.
12:44Speaker 0put a bunch of them up on. Said, man, I mean food. Food, food, food. The late great rich piano, if you wanna get big, you gotta eat big. Right? So you wanna add in food, just add in the right food. Right? Lean proteins and things like that, obviously contingent upon what your diet is and your objective, but eat more food.
13:17Speaker 0Are you trying to take Retratitude Tide for losing weight? Are you trying to lose 50 pounds? If you're somebody that's trying to if you're kind of a gym rat and you're in shape now and you're just trying to lean out, so it's all kind of subjective to your objectives.
13:51Speaker 0If you're somebody that needs to lose 50 pounds, though, no, I think you can run it for a longer period and you can continue to go up, as Will said previously, in 10 units increments.
14:04Speaker 0Just add 10 units, you know, 3 times a week and just gradually go up and take it for a while. So again, it's subjected to or it's contingent upon your objectives and what you're trying to accomplish.
14:25Speaker 1I guess when it is time but right. He does like you said, just I don't know. We we just you never really wanna be dependent on anything.
14:34Speaker 1if if you could do something without it, like, it's a good idea to, hey. Let's try to get off. Right? The goal there is to get you to your goal. Right? Lose the weight that you wanted. Goal achieved. Then also
14:47Speaker 1and build habits. Right? And that happens in your brain and body. So get used to eating less. Right? Get used to eating small portions while it's helping you. Then when you feel
15:00Speaker 1taper off though. Whenever if you do decide to come off, you better taper off. Right? So go slow tapering off because you do not want your metabolism if depending on how little you're eating, right, our metabolism speeds up or slows down to the amount of food that we eat. Right? You're If eating very little, your metabolism is gonna be pretty slow. If you all of a sudden pull that, have an appetite, and now start eating normally,
15:22Speaker 1that's not good. All of the weight, your metabolism slow, all this food, all the weight is gonna come back up. So you want to taper off, start using a little bit of your no skills, right, and
15:38Speaker 1until you're all the way off and till your metabolism can build back up slowly over time. And then you're off clean and clear with your goals reached,
15:50Speaker 0Eat and ride extra rides. Fly on your own. Yeah, good stuff. If you're already taking HGH,
16:02Speaker 0Is there added benefits or is it pointless since you're already taking HGH? Thank you guys and I appreciate all the knowledge. So So we've kind of already answered this, but
16:23Speaker 0is, because that is helping to tell your body that it wants to generate more of its own
16:30Speaker 0human growth hormone. So why would you take them both? That's why. You're getting a double whammy. Yeah, I think we both support it. Yeah. It's a little safer way to have more growth hormone in you.
16:41Speaker 1Also, I I think that if it were I would do the HGH in the morning and Tesamorelin at night because Tesamorelin,
16:48Speaker 1the unique portion of that is it it actually targets belly fat, right, unlike anything else.
17:11Speaker 0try them all. See, your body's gonna respond maybe a little bit differently. As we've proven
17:20Speaker 0the best, but there's different ones and try them and see, you know, and see which respond to.
17:45Speaker 0Women 127 taking CJC and Ipamorelin at night assist with muscle growth. Dosage recommendation,
17:59Speaker 1like we said before, there's not great peptides for men build muscle, but these ones will work for women to build muscle.
18:19Speaker 1Maybe you try the Tesamorelin Ipamorelin blend instead of CJC Ipamorelin. CJC Ipamorelin. CJC is just gonna be a little bit
18:35Speaker 1gonna regulate those pulses a little bit better. CJC might just push just too much, right, on uneven pulses, so that's why it's the strongest. But,
18:59Speaker 1at night. Now 1 thing, women are sensitive to this stuff. If you start to notice that you're retaining water,
19:06Speaker 1okay, you're doing too much and it's just too strong. And so what you need so back down on your dose. Don't worry. That water will flush out of you very fast
19:16Speaker 1when you back down your dose. So maybe cut it in 0.5 and then slowly titrate yourself back up.
19:24Speaker 1And yep, eat more food, eat protein, eat more food and eat protein and you will build muscle faster.
19:39Speaker 0saw a difference in her immediately. Now, my wife is in good shape already, so it was pretty easy for her, but I saw huge improvements by just 10 units of Tesamorelin
19:57Speaker 0heard you guys mention SNAP - 8 being Botox in a bottle. Do you administer it in the area you want improvement or do you just administer it Sub Q? Great question. Great question. SNAP-eight is
20:15Speaker 1But I would not administer it at the place that you need Botox. There's a reason that Botox exists- Right here in your just SNAP-eight.
20:24Speaker 1Yeah. So don't inject the SNAP-eight like it is Botox right into your face. There are some other things that are done
20:35Speaker 1if this is I don't know. This is for me. I have done this, and I know people who have and have not had any problems, but I do it SubQ.
20:42Speaker 1I don't I wouldn't put it in your face, but what I do is sub q, and it'll help just kinda tighten skin. It should help tighten skin
20:54Speaker 0I agree with that. And then, you know, so if it always again, it continued upon what your objective is, you're looking to get rid of wrinkles and whatnot. I'm assuming by the question, right? So GHK-
21:17Speaker 0and you open up your face and rub that in there, it works really well. There's a reason why so many people are wanting that serum because the serum works.
21:59Speaker 1yes, apply that stuff directly where you need help. Right? And it works. So make sure it's a a good concentration of both
22:26Speaker 0I'm not a 100% sure if that is accurate. I've heard others say it doesn't matter what you take. Good question, man. I mean, it does matter. It does matter. It's showing more and more that it matters, right? Like if you're in a fasted state,
22:38Speaker 1peptides will just crush your blood brain barrier faster and get into you better and start working a lot better.
22:45Speaker 1Personal preference, like, dude, the longer you're fasted, the better, I think, know, the better it's gonna work. Right? There are,
23:01Speaker 1Any more than that, I don't think that you're like, that's a great idea just to fast longer 90 minutes. But any more than 90 minutes isn't really gonna help it
23:12Speaker 1definitely in the as far as AOD, yeah, hell yeah, do that in the morning. Do it in the morning. It's it's it is part of the HGH chain and
23:28Speaker 0Its job is only to burn fat and it does its job well. So if you're somebody that wants to try, wants to burn fat,
25:05Speaker 1And even if you don't, I sure as hell don't don't let it be sitting in your hot car. Alright? That will diminish the efficacy
25:34Speaker 1Now the truth is I have met a lot of people who've been like, oh, I didn't even know I was supposed to refrigerate it ever. And it still has worked pretty damn good. So I don't know. I guess I was always under the impression like it is just dying and not ever gonna work if it's
25:50Speaker 1and then you've allowed it to warm up to room temp. But that seems to not be the case, but why let's just keep them working as best possible.
26:02Speaker 1folks, it kind of defeats the purpose. If you put room temp water into room temp powder
26:17Speaker 1water powder, cold. Make sure they're cold at the time that you mix them. Put cold water into cold powder and then keep it refrigerated.
26:26Speaker 1It'll just keep it more fresh. And I don't have a good answers individually because things vary, but
26:33Speaker 1AOD is 1 you better use fast or it will gel up even a 5 mg, even the best quality stuff. Like, don't let that be sitting there longer than 3 weeks or a month. It'll probably start gelling up on you.
26:47Speaker 0Do them properly the best. You're going to get the best results. Obviously, if you do them properly, I have traveled
26:57Speaker 0like for the day and they've been out. I've used them and they did just fine. Don't recommend it, but you know, some things are what it are. You're gonna get the best results when you do things properly. Say this again because a lot of people don't know, you need to add cold water, that water needs to be cold and you add it into the peptide, preferably both cold, but like, don't add warm water into
27:27Speaker 0Can you take it like pre workout? Will it kick in 30 minutes after administering it or should I take it in the morning
27:34Speaker 0and the energy will last throughout the day? That's a unique question. Great question.
27:41Speaker 1I have a friend who's in the gym all the time. She's like teaching classes and loves MOTSY and actually takes it pre workout. Just she feels the boost of it though. Although, it's really kinda it's not giving you caffeine brain like bling energy. It's more cellular
27:59Speaker 1some people have different effects. Right? But cool. You could take a preworkout. I just wouldn't expect it to work like a preworkout,
28:13Speaker 1would take it in the morning. If you work out in morning, awesome. Take it in the morning. Right? You just also be try it. Try it. If you work out at noon, I don't know. Good. Try it. See if you like it better taking it 30 minutes before that workout or see if you like your day better if you took it in the morning.
28:28Speaker 0It's cellular energy. It's not like coffee energy. It's not like a pre workout energy. I mean, you have a crisp
28:35Speaker 0right? You have more like stable energy. That's my experience with MOTS-3C. Think MOTS-3C is amazing. Would I use it for a pre workout? Not necessarily, but like Will said, try it. I would say anything like a L-1Carnitine would be something that people should take as a pre workout if you're looking for pre workout. I think that's a good 1, but just my Yeah,
28:54Speaker 1for sure. Just I don't know. I would take it earlier in day. I just wouldn't take MOTS-three right before you go to sleep because you're missing out
29:09Speaker 0There was 1 we skipped over, but we've already answered it through other ones just so you guys know, and I don't think we meant to anyway. But JD,
29:16Speaker 0interested to know why we added you added Tesamorelin to your lineup when already on HGH.
29:22Speaker 0Is there a benefit with the Tesamorelin? I wanted to make sure we went through each question,
29:26Speaker 0but we've already answered that, you know, but I just wanted to read that. I take the HGH in the morning and the Tesamorelin
29:39Speaker 0enjoyed that, man. Enjoy going through these. It seems like a lot of people are enjoying
29:51Speaker 0As most people know, I will be sometime in the near future probably going under the knife and having a surgery, so we might have to skip 1 or, you know, maybe 2, I don't know, but we'll keep on cracking and keep these things moving, man. We enjoy it just as much as you guys do. I love talking about this stuff. Or I'll pull up my grown up pants and do it solo.
30:15Speaker 0Good stuff, man. We appreciate you. We're gonna get this edited, and we'll get this dropped tomorrow.
30:22Speaker 0That's it. Have a great weekend. Alright, guys. Enjoy. Have a great week weekend. Be safe.