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0:53Speaker 0Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast.
0:56Speaker 0I am your host, JD Denham. Across the way, Mr. William T. What
1:02Speaker 0up? What's going on, dude? Everybody, I read the comments. I know you probably read some, but
1:08Speaker 0everybody is wondering how it went with your father-in-law. That's it. Really good. Let's
1:12Speaker 0everybody was giving you congratulations
1:14Speaker 2and good luck. So how'd it go? It went very well. I thought that I wasn't gonna be nervous. Told you.
1:21Speaker 2But I was. Right? Right.
1:23Speaker 2I was early and beat him to dinner. Folks, I tend to be late sometimes. He does.
1:28Speaker 2So
1:30Speaker 2I was there 15 minutes early and
1:32Speaker 2it was good. We started with just kind of some small talk and then I messaged, okay, like let's address the elephant in the room. Actually, he was funny. He was, he's like,
1:41Speaker 2is she pregnant? Oh,
1:43Speaker 0yeah.
1:44Speaker 2I was like, no, dude. No. No. Legitimately. Not that I know. He didn't have an idea? No. And then he and then he's like, okay. He's like, I thought it was gonna be 1 of 2 things. Right? Either that or both.
1:55Speaker 2But I said no. And then, you know, I said, let's
1:58Speaker 2just get it out of the way. So I asked him,
2:01Speaker 2I love your daughter and, and, you know, I'm asking you for her hand in marriage, please.
2:07Speaker 2And he was good. He was cool. He's like, dude, of course. Yes. He's like, you're the only guy that she's ever dated that isn't a douchebag.
2:15Speaker 0That's
2:16Speaker 0a win. It's a win.
2:19Speaker 2He's not wrong. Like there are unfortunately,
2:22Speaker 2like, not that I know who she dated, but just man, from dating different girls and I hear some different, like, horror stories about what guys do
2:30Speaker 2when they break up.
2:32Speaker 2Like, Jesus, man. Isn't it? Yeah. Like quit
2:36Speaker 2being such pussies about things. Like, just handle your business. So what? There's other girls in like, I had a girlfriend who worked at Nordstrom and the boyfriend, they broke up and
2:46Speaker 2he immediately went and took all of the naked pictures that she had sent him. No. Because like that's what people do in a relationship. That's okay. And email them all to her boss. Oh, dude, bro. Bad form, dude. Bad form, bro. Just just just jealous, you know? And
3:02Speaker 2that's and I've had, I think I even have some couple other worse stories just from other girls. Like, this is like a constant.
3:08Speaker 0Oh, dude, jealousy is the worst, like, worst ever. Oh my gosh. Like, there's jealousy in anything. I'm he boards over. Yeah. Over that, dude. Not over that stuff. So that's good. Anyway, so back to the back to yeah. He's like, you would be happy.
3:21Speaker 2I was nervous. It's a big deal. I was nervous. It was it is a big deal. And the funny thing actually, the more I talked to him, yeah, the more I kind of realized that this is a big deal. Yeah. That's sacred, man. I wish more people chew that way, but it was funny. I, when I got married,
3:34Speaker 0I was with my 1st wife, I was so young, so probably not then, but with Alyssa,
3:39Speaker 0I was so just aware of those vowels. I said them and I truly like was like thinking through the just depth
3:46Speaker 0of those as you say them. They're very deep when you really like think about them because people just say them and don't really think they're the- Don't really think so. The death do you part, obviously, is the most common known 1 is you dude. You know? Love you and like, yes, sickness and health. I
4:02Speaker 2guess it did hit me a bit when I'm saying, you know, I'm realizing like, hey,
4:08Speaker 2this man has
4:10Speaker 2raised his daughter and his other daughter has a little baby, right? And his is the protector and responsible person, right, for his whole life.
4:18Speaker 2Basically I'm like asking
4:20Speaker 2to just,
4:21Speaker 0he's thought of you for years, bro, because I have a daughter and I always thought of who my daughter would and, you know, not to put on a blast, love him, he's a great guy, but he didn't ask for my hand and that was a little bit My wife goes,
4:33Speaker 0he's the only you're the 1 person on the earth that like, he should know that like, you're so like that. I'm like, he's young though. I didn't do that for my 1st wife. I was
4:42Speaker 2young. You would have thought your daughter would have told him. Yeah, I don't know, man, but he's a kid. Works for sometimes. Yeah, no, like kid. As
4:50Speaker 0a father, all you care about is treat my daughter well.
4:54Speaker 0And that's pretty much it. It's a really low bar to have. Don't be a dick and don't be a treater for disrespect and you'll be good. You know what mean? So have a good worth ethic ethic. You'll be chilling. That's funny.
5:05Speaker 2Don't like low bar, right? Well, speaking of, so- There's this dick out there. So River back home at home, right, has like, was kind of being a dick and
5:13Speaker 2got his electronics taken, which is like a daily thing basically. Torture for And
5:18Speaker 2then he's like, oh, have I been, have I been good? Do I earn him back? And I was like, alright, look, dude. So just
5:25Speaker 2not being a dick is not good enough. Right? Like,
5:29Speaker 2just because you sat quietly. Yeah. Right? And like, we're looking for proactive action. Right?
5:34Speaker 2Like to earn something, you don't have to just
5:38Speaker 2the
5:38Speaker 2bar is not that low where you don't have to just not be an asshole. Yeah. And that's earning it. Right? You need to we expect you to go willingly feed the cat, help somebody,
5:48Speaker 2do some other things that are proactive that slightly inconvenience you.
5:52Speaker 2That's what earning something looks like. Right. It's rough. It is rough. It's rough. It's rough.
5:59Speaker 2So yes. I don't know. So we're still working on that. Mean, but hell, you know, in AA, right? We have people grown ass men
6:05Speaker 2that sell like they've been destroying their family for years, right. Or their girlfriend or whatever. And then they get sober. They go to detox.
6:13Speaker 2They've been sober for 10 days and then come back and like, we should get a party. Like everything's look how good. Look how awesome I am. Bro. She won't let me see the kids. Yeah. What the fuck? Bro,
6:26Speaker 2are now just not destroying things. Like that is not a, that's not, you don't get a party for that for being like a normal person.
6:35Speaker 2Entitlement is a big thing. Yeah. You need and this and this type of stuff, in in that situation, it's like, bro, it's time. Like, just gotta show consistency of being sober and not being a dick, like, for time. It can't I don't care. You can't, you can't work really, really hard and do a bunch things. This just needs to be
6:52Speaker 2consistent for time. 100%.
6:54Speaker 0So,
6:55Speaker 0yeah, I didn't That's good, man. I, when I sat down with my,
6:59Speaker 0father-in-law, which I didn't know him that well at the time,
7:02Speaker 0he said to me something that I still give him a shit for. He said, There's no take backs.
7:07Speaker 0So I thought that was funny. I didn't know him enough to know if he was joking or not till this day. I don't think he was. But anyways, I got what he meant, I think, very quickly because my wife is very accident prone. She got like 6 flat tires, I think the 1st year and I'm like, I know what you mean now. No take backs. Oh, that's hilarious. So he was really getting shit all the time. Did he?
7:27Speaker 0Want to do this? She needs a lot of taken care of. You know, LL-3s, she's a sweetheart, but man, she's, she does
7:33Speaker 0funny stuff. Love you. I know you're listening. Yeah. What else did he say? I mean,
7:39Speaker 2he was good. Right? And he said, he's like, you know, if I cry, it's not just, I mean, he's like, well, whatever you can call me a fag. I don't know. That's I got 2 daughters that I love
7:49Speaker 2and it's important.
7:50Speaker 0So,
7:51Speaker 2but I'm more than happy, yes, to have you
7:54Speaker 2in the family.
7:56Speaker 2Man. It's a welcome family. And then he asked about like, hey, well, what are you guys doing for, for the wedding? Was like, well, I haven't even yet asked her. Just asking you 1st. He said, are you going to ask her mom, take her mom out to lunch?
8:06Speaker 2I play shit. And I think after that I will. And he was like, he's like, cause you don't really have to. It's okay. They kind of, you know, they're divorced and don't they
8:15Speaker 2coexist as well, but there's still some jabs. It'll play well. Yeah. There's always those.
8:20Speaker 2Still have those once in a while for 20 years. And what else? Oh yeah. The wedding too is like, he's like, what are you going to do for the wedding? You're not going to like suit and tie
8:29Speaker 2tuxedo.
8:30Speaker 2I was like, kind of guy. Great. No,
8:32Speaker 2No, we don't want to. And I mean, I was like, you know, Ali, I
8:36Speaker 2think we probably have our shoes off for the wedding somewhere, somewhere on a beach with just small
8:41Speaker 2family, if any sense. That's real. Mean, shit,
8:45Speaker 2it's a big deal and it's, guess for us. So let's make it just comfortable and be the way that we roll. 0 Do that.
8:53Speaker 2It went well and it
8:56Speaker 2was hard. It was, it was, I mean, it's hard. It's hard, but I mean,
9:01Speaker 2I
9:02Speaker 2think if it's not as hard as
9:05Speaker 2making my amends, that was 1 of still 1 of the hardest, like,
9:09Speaker 2things I've ever done in my life. Yeah. But for a different story. Right? That 1, that was tough. Yeah.
9:15Speaker 2But it might be, I'm excited. Yeah. So we're rolling. Big deal. If you guys didn't have him,
9:21Speaker 0getting hitched is a big deal. Yeah, it is. Yeah. It wasn't the type of guy that was going to, so, but she's a sweetheart. We love her. She's a good catch, man. You got to give them. She is. Easy
9:33Speaker 0low maintenance is what we look for. My
9:36Speaker 2wife is very low maintenance. Low maintenance. You know, like, yes, low maintenance.
9:42Speaker 2You can have fun with them.
9:45Speaker 2Have to be attracted and the sex has to be there. Right? What do they say? You know, well sex and money are the 2 biggest things that
9:51Speaker 2destroy relationships
9:54Speaker 2because those will get you through.
9:56Speaker 2Search will get you through lean money times and
9:59Speaker 2money times may get you through sex time, but maybe not. So I'm, yes, we're both like just thoroughly attracted to each other and I'll still will be attracted to her even if she's
10:08Speaker 0like pregnant with 3 kids or something. You just, just, if you just be courteous,
10:13Speaker 0like we do little things that like a lot of people don't do, believe it or not, if I'm at the store, babe, you need anything from the store. I know that sounds stupid, but like there's a lot of guys that don't do that. Like, this is
10:22Speaker 0common courtesy and just treated with respect and it's not that hard.
10:26Speaker 0I don't know. So it's possible to be with somebody for a long time. I'm still mad. What am I coming up on?
10:32Speaker 014 years with Alyssa in August. Crazy.
10:35Speaker 0That is crazy. Yeah. It's a long time, dude. We're still
10:39Speaker 0head over heels, man. She's a good 1 though. Awesome. We got a good 1. We both. Yep. Yep. It's a good stuff. All right. So we got the Q and A and these are some good ones. We scrolled through them separately like we have been doing and it's been working out well. So do the honors, man. You're always up.
10:54Speaker 2Hey man, you want start with Hey man?
10:59Speaker 2Sure. Yes, please. Why don't I have some other document here? All right. Hey man. So number 1 folks, hey man, not sure if this is a question for the show, but I'm having somewhat of a wild issue with my peptides.
11:09Speaker 2Seeing if, this has ever happened to you. I take morning and night peptides. I'm trying to narrow down which peptide is doing this, but at night when I inject SLU-, ISA, IPA, Tessa, and GHK
11:20Speaker 2about 10 minutes later, all my injection sites from the last couple of days become
11:26Speaker 2itchy.
11:27Speaker 2Like, swell, I don't know what that word is, but
11:30Speaker 2yeah. Itchy.
11:32Speaker 2The
11:33Speaker 2duration lasts
11:35Speaker 2sometimes to the next day. And to make sure you understand, I mean, I'll give you an example. Let's say I inject in the morning, my morning peptides in my abdomen
11:43Speaker 2and in my legs at night, they are all affected after the night dose. My belly swells only after the night injection. And it's sometimes a site that I haven't injected in a couple of days. Sorry to be so long winded, but it's a wild situation. I really think it's GHK. I do too.
12:01Speaker 0So that is a crazy situation. How's my wife? Yeah. Bizarre. That's it. Yeah. See, this weird, like, she'll inject and then, she'll get those little rashy things all over where she's injected. I'm like, that is weird. Yep. Everybody's just very different and sensitive sometimes. She's sensitive. I think that it, for sure, it's the GHK. It is. I think it's the GHK for sure. That's the 1 that is,
12:21Speaker 2yeah, it's a histamine reaction, obviously.
12:24Speaker 2And all, from all of the peptides in it, man, it might just be all of those sites that you injected just the GHK- Yeah. In the past. Right? I would, I kind of think of that. Here's what I would do is I would, I mean, that is normal. So I suppose, you know, we've people feel this. I would pull the GHK completely. See if it does it. See what happens. Right? Just pull it. Let it get out of your system. Keep doing everything else. It there's a potential,
12:47Speaker 2maybe the MOTS-3C, but
12:50Speaker 2most likely the GHK.
12:52Speaker 2And then, hey, if you really if you wanna try and reintroduce the GHK, I would do it just like go let's start. Reintroduce it real small and not frequently. I don't know if you're doing it every day, but I wouldn't do it every day, maybe 3 days a week. But if you're going to reintroduce, very small.
13:08Speaker 2And at what would see what at what point did it actually
13:11Speaker 2starts doing that again? Yeah.
13:14Speaker 0How much can you take? That's how I look at it where
13:17Speaker 0does it bug you? I mean, if it's just kind of itchy and if it's like super rashy and it's annoying, then sure. Stop it. If you can deal with it, I mean, does it and
13:25Speaker 0hers goes away fairly quickly within an hour or so, but if it bugs you, then stop. But yeah, that's the best way to look at them and pull it out. If it stops, there you go. There's a culprit. Easy peasy. Good stuff. All right. I'm 62 year old, generally healthy male and generally healthy male. And I just finished the cycle of MOTS-1C.
13:42Speaker 0Started out with 500 micrograms
13:45Speaker 0then titrated up to 1 mg per dose.
13:48Speaker 0At week 2, my allergies kicked into really high gear. I usually have allergies in the spring,
13:54Speaker 0but nothing. Fiennos,
13:56Speaker 0Fiennos.
13:57Speaker 0Is that properly?
13:58Speaker 0Oh, Follistatin. Follistatin did
14:02Speaker 0a knockout and never this bad. 2 to 3 days after the cycle, the allergies were completely gone. Coincidence?
14:08Speaker 0Maybe.
14:09Speaker 2But have you guys had any feedback regarding this? I've heard about it. Yes, again, and I did say kind of oops, MOTS-1C was a potential culprit. So there you go.
14:21Speaker 2It probably
14:22Speaker 2is the MOTS-8A, but I don't think that this 1 is a histamine reaction.
14:28Speaker 2This 1 sounds more like
14:30Speaker 2it is your mitochondria
14:32Speaker 2essentially being more sensitive
14:35Speaker 2and changing a little bit, right? And that is allowing you to be, to have these allergies affect you a bit more, Right? Because we're not seeing like,
14:46Speaker 2this is like his kind of a systemic allergy type reaction.
14:50Speaker 2It is not
14:52Speaker 2spot induced like the guy before, right? All those spots, that sounds like a histamine reaction. I think that this 1 is, you know, anamine histamine reaction to those specific peptides.
15:03Speaker 2This is changing your mitochondrial
15:05Speaker 2activity, right? And you're like modulating
15:08Speaker 2your immune signaling
15:10Speaker 2and allowing
15:12Speaker 2your body as a whole to
15:16Speaker 2get some more,
15:17Speaker 2allergies in negatively
15:20Speaker 2to react to this.
15:24Speaker 0So we had done a little research on this after we had Doctor. Scott on because it was something that popped up. I don't remember the exact conversation, but we were talking about how he
15:34Speaker 0took MOTS-1C and just was like energy off the charts where his wife was like, what's wrong with you? You know? And I didn't feel anything like that. So we were curious. I don't remember what the exact conversation was, but we dug into that because we were curious if
15:49Speaker 0you feel it more, does that mean you have a healthy mitochondria
15:53Speaker 0and vice versa? And we dug into that with Scott and we basically figured it out where if you don't feel it, you basically, your mitochondria is healthy.
16:02Speaker 0You feel it, it means it's really ramping it up. So it's like trying to repair it. You're just like, woah.
16:07Speaker 0So that's probably something going on with you. There, I mean, MOTS-3s is going to affect the immune system a little bit too, so that can enhance that.
16:15Speaker 0Digging into this for you is it
16:17Speaker 0would generally run its course fairly quickly if you wanted to. I mean, you were out the tail end, it sounds like of your cycle anyway, but I bet if you kind of stayed on, it would kind of dwindle out as your body. I would, I think that your body
16:30Speaker 2is supposed to normalize a little bit. Yeah. Okay. But
16:35Speaker 2you got your tail end of your cycle and it did not. So
16:38Speaker 2that's interesting, man. Everything is, everybody is different and reacts differently. You're not like weird, but,
16:45Speaker 2these things just happen. Mudsy may not, if the, if this is causing just too much discomfort,
16:52Speaker 2you may not be a good candidate for MOTS-1s):
16:55Speaker 0Sucks because MOTS-3s great. Yeah.
16:57Speaker 2Alright, number 3. So I just started my peptide journey 2 weeks ago. I started with Reta and CJC.
17:03Speaker 2I'm a 33 year old woman with 3 kids. 10/03/2024,
17:07Speaker 2I reached my heaviest at 2 26.
17:10Speaker 2From that day I locked in. I eat pretty clean, but I hate counting calories.
17:14Speaker 2You shouldn't count calories anyway, so that's perfect that you hate it. Don't do it. Yeah. So,
17:19Speaker 2you should, you should try counting your macros though instead. So
17:23Speaker 2weighing in at 1 70, naturally, my measurements are getting smaller, but I've been stuck at the same weight for about 4 months now. I do weight training 4 to 5 days a week,
17:33Speaker 2and low intensity cardio after every lift.
17:37Speaker 2Do you think this is the right stack?
17:41Speaker 0Let me take that. Yeah,
17:43Speaker 0go ahead. I'll add some Retta, well, you just sounds like you just started the Retta, right? She said 2 weeks She got down from 2 26 to 1 70. I think that was with her just dieting. Shit. Started Reddit. So I just started my 32 weeks ago. So there there's the answer right there. I mean, the Reddaugh is going to just jumpstart that without a doubt. So is the Reddaugh CJC a good stack for you? Sure. Sounds It like you haven't done anything yet. So anything pretty much you're going to do, you're going to feel
18:10Speaker 0pretty well.
18:11Speaker 0If you've listened to this show and
18:13Speaker 0any of the shows, we're going to tell you the Red is just a scientific breakthrough and you're going to break through that plateau without a doubt. So easy peasy. Yeah, you're in a good spot. So I would say that, yeah, there's nothing wrong with what you're doing. Like, so 1st of all, 2 26 to 170 is huge. Like that's amazing.
18:33Speaker 2No doubt that you're at a plateau, right? This is your body's natural
18:37Speaker 2biology protecting.
18:40Speaker 2So again, our bodies were genetically designed
18:44Speaker 0as
18:45Speaker 2cavemen
18:46Speaker 2to survive and survive
18:49Speaker 2through
18:50Speaker 2winter and in food scarcities.
18:52Speaker 2The only ways we survive through that is by our body,
18:56Speaker 2holding on to tissue and holding onto fat because that keeps us warm and is our backup,
19:02Speaker 2food source. So when you go some, when you dramatically lose weight, cool.
19:07Speaker 2That means you definitely were overweight because you lost it all. Your body didn't like to be that overweight, but now it's going, Hey, we've lost a lot and I need to, let me, I want to hold on to all this stuff. Okay? So
19:20Speaker 21st of all, and also, so you're fighting some biology now, which everybody does, and it makes sense that you're at a plateau. Okay? But we gotta work your way around that plateau.
19:29Speaker 2A, you did say that your weight is not the scale isn't moving, but your measurements are. So like, shit, that is the whole that's what you Right? This is your body recomposing,
19:40Speaker 2right? You're going through like a recomposition. So just so we know you're, if you,
19:45Speaker 2this may sound dumb, but like if you lose 2 pounds of fat and you add 2 pounds of muscle, your weight stays the same.
19:52Speaker 2And that's awesome. Right? We, I have
19:55Speaker 2some pictures of like, of different women who have, who are 10 pounds heavier, but did a full body recomp and 10 pounds heavier. They look, I mean, they look like they're 40 pounds lighter, but just because the composition is completely different, they lost fat, replaced it with muscle in the right places and look amazing. So you are doing the right damn things. I would say
20:16Speaker 2CJC, I would maybe, hey, I'd swap that out for Tesamorelin.
20:20Speaker 2Good point. Let's get some, like, visceral fat and belly fat burning. It's gonna be your most powerful, well, spot
20:27Speaker 2fat burner. And also I would add some MOTS-1C in just for basic, like, metabolic rate, just increasing your metabolism,
20:34Speaker 2and
20:35Speaker 2your body's just natural caloric burn. So,
20:39Speaker 2take a look at your eating too. Make sure you're getting enough food.
20:42Speaker 2I don't know. Your weight training sounds
20:45Speaker 0Low energy, unfocused,
20:47Speaker 0foggy.
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21:07Speaker 0better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration. Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. Some, but how about this? Switch it up. When we hit plateaus,
21:18Speaker 2name of the game is to just do something different. Okay?
21:22Speaker 2So this is where like fasting,
21:24Speaker 2maybe, like HIIT type training comes in.
21:27Speaker 2Just do something different, but it's productive to bust that plateau.
21:31Speaker 0Yeah, you need to trick your body. We all do. We've been working out forever. And what happens is we get so like comfortable with what we like,
21:39Speaker 0our diet that works for us, the way we work out. I mean, it's still for us. Well, I've been working on our whole life and still we, I get so caught up sometimes in just doing the same stuff. I just started that a couple of days ago. I'm eating like 5 meals a day and I'm not going to fast at all, which is really strange for me because I've been doing it for so long. I just want to change. I'm a lift heavy. I don't use a lift heavy, lift heavy, eat a lot, no fasting, but it's going to trick my body. And then I'll go back to what I like maybe in May.
22:04Speaker 0But you got to shock your system and
22:07Speaker 0you try other things. You might like some other things too. You know what I mean? Diets, there's so many diets that work there. If any, if any fitness guy or any coach or whatever tells you this is the way, and this is the only way then jump ship because there's all kinds of ways to skin a cat. Try it off. As a woman, like go, Hey, do your 4 to 5 days a week, right? Lifting, but like, why don't you go just super heavy?
22:27Speaker 2Just lift me. Give me some like 4 to 6 reps on everything you do
22:32Speaker 2for a couple of weeks. But in that case, but also take 1
22:36Speaker 2minute to 2 minutes in between,
22:39Speaker 2in between sets. Watch.
22:42Speaker 2It'll work. Like your body's just not used to that.
22:45Speaker 2Don't
22:46Speaker 2worry like people, the old adage of, Hey, if I lift heavy weight and low reps, just going to get
22:52Speaker 2huge, Versus high reps, low weight, I'm going to get shredded. That's not really true. Like there is a huge, I mean, it depends on rest time and food intake, etcetera. But like, I frankly like the heavy, heavy, heavy, but with
23:05Speaker 2very minimal rest, right? You're not gonna be able to lift a whole bunch of weights on set 3. You know, your weight's gonna dramatically go down, but your body's gonna get beat is gonna get shredded and beat up. That's what you're looking for. Yeah. You'll drip sweat when you do that.
23:18Speaker 2That's the name again. Body's working. And he's right. Like this is again, like bio evolutionarily,
23:24Speaker 2like we get really good. Our human body is really good at taking the path of least resistance. Okay. And getting really good at doing something so it can use the very least amount of energy possible. So if you're in the same exercise routine, it has figured that out. And it's learned how to do that. Here we go again. The least energy possible, therefore burning the least amount of calories possible.
23:46Speaker 2So you need, you need to change it and trick it. This is why people who are distance runners and just do cardio is like not an effective way to burn fat.
23:55Speaker 2That's your body. 1st of all, it just gets really used to it. You don't get sore anymore. Your muscles get used to it and it doesn't,
24:00Speaker 2it doesn't help the fat burning anymore.
24:03Speaker 0Okay.
24:05Speaker 262, am I reading?
24:08Speaker 0You mean me? I think it's me. 62 year old male have considered taking HGH,
24:14Speaker 0Sermorelin,
24:15Speaker 0Ortessa
24:16Speaker 0somewhere in that 1 to 2 IU range, I'm still in the gym 4 to 5 days a week and looking for general overall health and in a much bigger way post workout recovery,
24:27Speaker 0which is pretty much not very good at this age.
24:31Speaker 0Think I understand the difference between the 3
24:34Speaker 0in that HGH replenishes
24:36Speaker 0or adds HGH while Sermorelin and Tesa just stimulate the pituitary gland to produce more. Would
24:44Speaker 0Sermoretessa
24:45Speaker 0be worth taking in trying to get my old and slow pituitary to produce what little extra it can, or would you recommend just going to the HGH from a cost to value type perspective?
24:57Speaker 0I will add that to I will add that my urologist
25:01Speaker 0just wrote me a prescription
25:03Speaker 0for TRT that I should be starting soon
25:07Speaker 0when everything else goes through. I'm thinking I should maybe get tests dialed in 1st before starting the others.
25:13Speaker 0Thoughts?
25:14Speaker 0A dosage protocol
25:16Speaker 0for both would be great.
25:18Speaker 0Also, much thanks fellows.
25:20Speaker 0We might have a different 1 answer
25:22Speaker 2on this 1. I know. I don't think so. Okay, here's my answer is
25:26Speaker 2you're 62 years old, your pituitary is not doing that great of working, right?
25:33Speaker 2Although, and you are right, like these, the secretagogues,
25:36Speaker 2especially as CGC, Sermorelin, Tesamorelin
25:39Speaker 2are stimulating the pituitary to, Hey, signaling that to go make more of our HGH.
25:45Speaker 2It's
25:46Speaker 2still not going to be enough. Don't think based
25:49Speaker 2on your age, I would just, I would do the absolute, just straight
25:53Speaker 2exogenous
25:54Speaker 2human growth hormone.
25:57Speaker 22 IUs, heck, for 2 to 3 IUs a day and every day, 7 days a week,
26:03Speaker 2in the morning in a fasted state
26:06Speaker 2and do that and run it for a while forever.
26:09Speaker 2So you die, honestly, like that would be the best. So that's what I would do for sure. I just don't think that you're dude, you're just of the age, like classic of the age of that. Need to get the help and get the best help financially.
26:22Speaker 2You're looking at, so I guess here's the thing, just whatever you're looking at kit wise, they all come in kits and a different, like total number of IUs. Usually it's about a,
26:31Speaker 2usually it is a kit with 10 vials. Okay? And then each vial, so I'm familiar with a 100 IU kits, 150,
26:39Speaker 2200, 2 40 IU kits. Okay? So the difference is in the hundred IU kit, 10 vials of 10 IUs in a vial. 150, 10, 10 vials of 15 IUs,
26:50Speaker 2then 20 IUs, then 24 IUs.
26:54Speaker 2Right? So you'll know, Hey, you just do the math on it. Like that's up to you and your budgeting because he said, Hey, I want a value perspective. But,
27:02Speaker 2if I'm going say, start with 2 IUs a day, if you get a 100 kit that will last you 50 days.
27:09Speaker 2All right. There's your math, right? If you get a 200
27:13Speaker 2kit and you do 2 IUs a day, it's going to last you 100 days. So
27:17Speaker 2you just be the judge, but I think that that's going to be your way more effective route. Then the testosterone is going to do wonders for you. Holy shit. You're in for a surprise, right? The test is going to work real fast. HGH is going to work real slow. So
27:31Speaker 2I would just, I would start the HGH now. It's
27:34Speaker 2a really easy dose protocol
27:36Speaker 2to I use a day,
27:38Speaker 2run it after maybe a month. If you feel like bumping up, see, you know, bumping up to 3, use a day.
27:44Speaker 2The TRT, I guess it looks like you're getting it from your urologist. I would probably maybe listen to what they tell you, but
27:50Speaker 2you got 62. You're probably not going to have kids. Right?
27:53Speaker 2I would be safe starting at 200 megs a week doing 2 injections. Yeah.
27:58Speaker 2I'd be interested to see but like you're at a where did eat healthy, keep doing cardio because you don't want your bad cholesterol to get elevated.
28:06Speaker 2Which it your, you know, cholesterol can, will raise
28:09Speaker 2if you're not doing the right things on 1 testosterone,
28:13Speaker 2but still based on, I don't know your blood, but for a normal person, I'd say start with 200 mg a week.
28:20Speaker 2See how you feel for a month.
28:23Speaker 0It's going to take a few weeks before you really feel it. But yeah, we'll obviously nail that. The H here's 1 thing that a couple of things that people
28:33Speaker 0I think are wrong on the HGH.
28:35Speaker 01, that it's expensive. So
28:37Speaker 0obviously that's subjective, but if you compare it to like a Tesamorelin or whatnot, in my opinion, cheaper because it's a big kit and it lasts for a long time. So if you break out the math, it's really about the same. Yeah. It really is. You take it a long time and, Tesamorelin would last, what is it, last 3 weeks? I don't know if I'm in. Yeah, I'll do some math by the time you're done talking to us. The HGH really isn't that expensive. Really isn't when you break the math down. Like you said, I, I, too, I use man, you're cruising.
29:02Speaker 0Another question I got literally today, I'm worried about the cancer side. I think I've said this before, but if you didn't hear me, let me say it again. I think you should worry more about Doritos
29:12Speaker 0and chips and all the crap seed oil foods a lot more than you should worry about HGH.
29:17Speaker 0The pros are going to highly outweigh the cons and anything like that. And 2, I use as a low dose.
29:23Speaker 0It'll make you feel great.
29:24Speaker 0So
29:25Speaker 0keep that up. The cost is not what people say. The do the cancer stuff is just, don't think people, people that, that I don't know where that came from so long ago, but I don't think it should be a worry at 2. Use around that Mark.
29:37Speaker 0But other than that, you're going to be changing your life here in a few weeks, man. You're to be feeling great. The HGH
29:43Speaker 0is going to take a long play. It's going take about 6 months, but you will notice that it's easier to burn fat
29:48Speaker 0around about 6 months.
29:50Speaker 2Those 2 are great, man. HGH and TRT, They're perfect together. So really on the doing the math. So I just took a
29:58Speaker 2100 kid, I'm estimating about $450
30:01Speaker 2okay, for a 100 kid that will last you 50 days. So 50 days for $4.50. Then let's take Tessa Ipah blend.
30:08Speaker 2Okay. 5 mg, 5 mg, and let's set a price tag of a $100.
30:15Speaker 2And that's kind of, maybe that's a little, maybe it's cheaper.
30:18Speaker 2Sure. But,
30:20Speaker 2so a $100 and let's go with 0.5 a milligram a day. Okay. Of each of them. That means that bottle lasts you 10 days. Okay.
30:28Speaker 2And the bottle costs you a $100. So therefore AFF and so 50 days worth is $500 So the
30:36Speaker 2exogenous HGH is actually cheaper in this case. Now you need to plug some real world numbers in, but those are pretty easy. Those are pretty close. Think it's gonna be more than a $100. So there you go. And frankly, that 0.5 of a milligram, nothing. You're a grown man. I think that you really want to do a full milligram, but therefore that bottle lasts you 5 days. Therefore that bill is 1001
30:57Speaker 2Yeah. There you go. And we both said HGH. So there you go buddy. You go. That was man. But good stuff. Keep us Hey warriors. 1st of all, I got to say how
31:07Speaker 2you 2 are doing God's work. Thank you. And changing the world for the better.
31:11Speaker 2I'm 21 year old male. I played sports all my life and have been in the gym since I was 13. I have a strict workout schedule and fast daily 11 to 7, then a full 24 hour fast on Sunday. You're a disciplined person.
31:24Speaker 2I recently was noticing brain fog, low libido. So following your advice, got a hormone test. My total test was 15.20.
31:35Speaker 2Okay.
31:37Speaker 2We're going to have to, yeah. I did the math. Oh, you did. Okay. Good. Thank So
31:41Speaker 0what's that equal? So what was his test in milligrams per 4 38 nanograms per deciliter. So that, so you're either from Canada, Australia, or like UK. So
31:49Speaker 0you're generally speaking, that's about in The U S 4
31:53Speaker 030
31:54Speaker 0tests, total tests.
31:56Speaker 2Job. At 21 dude, what would Yeah,
31:59Speaker 2because, yeah. Anyway, but I'm concerned about how low my test is. Yep. I really want to bump it up. I'm really concerned about my fertility as I haven't had kids yet. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks again for all you guys do. Stay hard.
32:13Speaker 2That's good.
32:14Speaker 2Go ahead, JAD. So
32:16Speaker 0in the free test is,
32:20Speaker 0nanomoles per liter is 0.263,
32:23Speaker 0which equals 9 or 8
32:25Speaker 0nanograms per deciliter in The United States. That is really low free testosterone. That means you're tired and you don't have less low, you have low sex drive.
32:33Speaker 0You feel exactly probably how the numbers are showing.
32:37Speaker 0Wow.
32:37Speaker 021. That is definitely loads. Definitely scares me more and more seeing these numbers. Men are not supposed to be living like that,
32:45Speaker 0but it can be fixed now.
32:48Speaker 0You're definitely young to be on testosterone replacement,
32:52Speaker 0but at the same time,
32:55Speaker 0you don't want to feel like shit and you work out a lot and you fast a lot and you do that. That's great.
33:02Speaker 0Man, that's a tough 1. I mean, I guess if it were me
33:06Speaker 0now, you've probably heard, I've gotten my wife pregnant twice on testosterone.
33:11Speaker 0So it can be done. You're young though. So being it on it in a very, very long time, I mean, Will and I've worked with people that are on a long time too, but man, 21 is my
33:21Speaker 0only real concern is you are so freaking young. But again, I would go, I try to go off really how I feel and you probably just feel like shit dude. And that you're healthy.
33:31Speaker 0You like to lift.
33:33Speaker 0You sound like us, man. You fell in love with it. You never stopped. Same thing.
33:37Speaker 0So you want to feel good, I'm gonna go out there and say, would probably get on TRT knowing
33:42Speaker 0that you can still stay fertile. You want to stay on HCG?
33:46Speaker 0I would probably recommend you run it at 1000 IUs Monday, Wednesday, Friday, right out the gate, because that will keep your fertility
33:54Speaker 0run. And even if you don't have a baby, generally speaking, you can kind of get away with it by staying fertile at 500 microgram or 500 IU, I mean, for HCG.
34:03Speaker 0But you being so young man and you want to make sure you keep that fertility out, you go with 1000.
34:08Speaker 0Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
34:09Speaker 0So that's a tough 1, man.
34:12Speaker 2That's my, that's my take. It's a rough 1 because you're so young. Here's the deal. Agree. Like you're 21. That's too young. I think that I do. I think that the your so overtraining,
34:21Speaker 2right?
34:22Speaker 2You can absolutely hurt a man's testosterone. Right? So there might, you gotta look at your lifestyle. I would just, let's look at lifestyle 1st. Would end your nutrient intake.
34:32Speaker 2Right? The fact that you are fasting a lot and,
34:34Speaker 2and dieting hard, I would actually kind of make sure that you're eating enough.
34:40Speaker 2Fat and carbs, I would kind of do maybe with
34:44Speaker 2what JD is doing right now
34:47Speaker 2because he couldn't sleep.
34:50Speaker 2I would,
34:52Speaker 2I would fast less right now. I'd try to go to some different eating habits. Okay? Like go to the
34:58Speaker 2small frequent meals for a little bit and reduce
35:04Speaker 2excessive
35:05Speaker 0training
35:06Speaker 2and maybe excessive fasting.
35:08Speaker 2Cut out just part of 1 of those fasts that you do.
35:12Speaker 2Make sure that your sleep is dialed in because JD will tell you like he's had a little trouble sleeping and
35:17Speaker 2there's a reason.
35:19Speaker 2So you might be having that issue. If you're having that issue, then yes, that is absolutely going to hurt your test levels.
35:27Speaker 2Checking your like vitamins,
35:29Speaker 2zinc,
35:31Speaker 2magnesium,
35:32Speaker 2vitamin D, etcetera. If you're in The UK, maybe you need some vitamin D.
35:37Speaker 2It's kinda like it was in Seattle when I was there. And
35:41Speaker 2finally
35:42Speaker 2in clomiphene
35:43Speaker 2shit, I would honestly, before I would jump on tests, I would run some, I would run like 25 mgs of clomiphene daily, even HCG by itself. Who knows like that. You just, it sounds like you're in a 21,
35:54Speaker 0exactly. You just need a little, like, I think just a little kickstart and you never know what's going to happen. So that's what I would do 1st. Yeah. I think that if you dig a little deeper, maybe there's some stuff behind the scenes too. Like Will, like I said, I'm going to be telling you, I what's worked for me has worked for a very long time until it doesn't. And that's kind of what's been going on where,
36:14Speaker 0I mean, I've been on the carnivore diet for 5 years and I've loved it. There's never been a problem. I've been fasting for 10.
36:20Speaker 0But as Will said in the last, I don't know, 4 to 5 months, give or take, I sleep like shit. I fall asleep on a dime at 9 and then I wake up at like anywhere from 12 to 2 wide awake, can't go back to sleep. It sucks. I'm it's it compounds and gets to the point where like,
36:37Speaker 0and I work a lot. It's been rough.
36:39Speaker 0So I've
36:41Speaker 0researched the hell out of it to try to figure out what the hell it was. I mean, I pulled all the peptides out. I've done so much lately to try to figure this son of bitch out. And here's what I've come up with, and it kind of sounds logical
36:52Speaker 0with a lot of research in it. I might not be getting enough nutrients either, which sounds weird. I've fasted for so long and I've lived on these nutrients for a long time, the amount that I eat, but lot of times I eat 1 time a day and
37:04Speaker 0I don't think that that's it is enough. That's why I'm going to the 5 meals. I'm going to shock the hell out of my system. I'm going to see if it helps me sleep.
37:13Speaker 0Your situation might not be the same as mine. It might not be sleep testosterone,
37:17Speaker 0but
37:18Speaker 0try some different stuff and just research the hell out of it. And then try this, try that, try that. And just figure it out sometimes for yourself to where, you know, we're all science project and that's 1 thing that Will and I are, we will dig into it and try different things to see what works Until it doesn't, like I said, it sucks because, like, I'm very, like, robotic and now I'm
37:39Speaker 0like, rain man, b e r n, it's not working. Yeah.
37:44Speaker 0Here we are. 5 meals in NADOW.
37:46Speaker 2But you gotta do something, dude. It sounds like, yeah, your life isn't right. But the brain fog, the brain fog and low energy and like, that's not good. So let's do some, make some changes and,
37:56Speaker 2and kind of track those changes and just listen to your body.
38:00Speaker 2Okay. Cause you got a lot of changes that could happen.
38:02Speaker 0You're young man, you're resilient. Yeah, absolutely.
38:05Speaker 2Okay.
38:07Speaker 0You're reading. You're up. What's
38:10Speaker 0up guys? Absolutely love the podcast and the new school community. We forgot to talk about that. You're the reason my wife finally agreed to let me start TRT. Love it. 43 year old total test was $3.30 5. Woah. Fried says 21 and currently in week 3,
38:26Speaker 0we both use low dose Retta with great results. I just started Tessa 0.5 mg 7
38:32Speaker 0days a week, then going to a full mg and Ipamorelin
38:36Speaker 00.25.
38:37Speaker 0Also currently on MOTS-1mg
38:40Speaker 0daily.
38:42Speaker 0The wife is interested in the benefits she would see using Tessa IpA combo,
38:48Speaker 0wondering the best dosage would be for her and if dosing
38:52Speaker 0I plan to implement looks proper,
38:54Speaker 0slowly working on adding more peptides as a budget allows. Thank you for the feedback. God bless.
39:01Speaker 0Good stuff. What do want to do?
39:03Speaker 2Like, yeah, good for her. And I guess good for us for making you, hopefully you'll start for the TRT thing. That's awesome. Yeah. She should let you do it. Good for her. But, and you're still, I mean, you're, you said you're 3 weeks in and your total test is currently 3 35
39:19Speaker 2free test 21. So you got a ways to go. Right? And it's just, just started. I mean, I don't, I'm scared to know what it was when you started.
39:27Speaker 2Think that's where it started. Oh really? Okay. Maybe total was this and then currently in 3 3
39:33Speaker 2changing that, I guess. Okay. Well,
39:36Speaker 2good. Keep going, man. Week 3, you're just about feeling the bill, just about feeling the test.
39:42Speaker 2You, mean, shit, your Retta,
39:45Speaker 2that's awesome.
39:46Speaker 2Your Tesa can went up to 1 mg and 0.25.
39:50Speaker 2Okay. So here's the thing. I would say that as a man, I think you can increase your Ipamorelin,
39:56Speaker 2to a mg and then, you know, I don't know. I could, you could experiment getting up to 1 MIG of IpA also instead of 0.25. I think for your wife starting it since you have, well,
40:07Speaker 2the wife should do the Tessa IpA and if you have them separate for women, it's kind of a good idea to go a little bit lower on the IpA because that's
40:16Speaker 2just like enhancing these pulses. Women,
40:20Speaker 2if you're going to have side effects, a lot of it is water retention and women definitely do not like when they need water retention. Okay? Because it just makes you look plump, more plump. So if
40:30Speaker 2your dose is a little bit high, you'll start seeing some water retention.
40:33Speaker 2If that is the case, then just lower the doses and then slowly
40:37Speaker 2come back up. So for
40:40Speaker 2your wife, I'd say, let's start her. If you're doing them as separates, maybe shit. Point
40:46Speaker 2if you want to be really conservative, I don't know, 0.25 of the tests, I'd probably just start her at 0.5.
40:52Speaker 2And Ipah, I'd probably, you know,
40:55Speaker 2point 1.2
40:56Speaker 2to 0.25 starting,
40:59Speaker 2Maybe max her out at about 0.5 of the Ipah and
41:03Speaker 2maybe 1 of Tessa if you want to. But you if you're getting them the blend,
41:08Speaker 2sorry, they gotta be the same doses. Right? If they're both 5 meg Migs and 5 Migs,
41:13Speaker 2I would start.
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41:17Speaker 0foggy,
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41:46Speaker 2for her, I'd start both at 0.5, to be honest. If
41:49Speaker 2she's got some if she gets water retention from there, you back it up to 0 2 5, 0.25.
41:54Speaker 2If it gets water retention from there, you're gonna have to get it in 2 separate, so Tesamorelin bottle and an Ipamorelin bottle and start the Ipamorelin really low.
42:02Speaker 2102 hundred micrograms. So I don't know if that was helpful, but
42:07Speaker 2it's in the benefits you would see in the test, but she's going to see a lot, right?
42:12Speaker 2Increased ability to add muscle,
42:15Speaker 2but not, she's not going to turn into a bodybuilder. Okay. That's what women think that, but they're, she's not, she's not just pop these huge muscles out. She will burn fat faster. Her metabolism will go up or her and it will attack visceral fat in her abdominal
42:29Speaker 2fat, which is awesome.
42:31Speaker 2General, like over time. So these are the cool thing here is like over time, hey, the wrinkles starting to of go away. Right? Your skin
42:38Speaker 2gets a little bit more vibrant.
42:40Speaker 2You start to look younger.
42:42Speaker 2This is, you know, 6 months a year, then 2 years, then 3 years. Yeah.
42:47Speaker 2Even on the secretagogs,
42:48Speaker 2but in secretagogs, it's still kind of a cycle break, cycle break, whereas if it's if we're talking just real HGH, it's it's just
42:56Speaker 2do it forever.
42:57Speaker 2And watch yourself, you know, make sure your blood sugar is not getting too high and etcetera.
43:02Speaker 2But
43:02Speaker 2but the longer you're on, way better, better it goes. Yeah. But it looks like you guys are on the right path, dude. I think that
43:09Speaker 2have her do it. There's not shit.
43:11Speaker 0I wouldn't be worried 1 little bit about her doing it. Was too less. For women, it goes a long way. A little bit goes a long way. So we did, let me just pick up on what they said. We do. We meant to say that in the beginning. We do have a new school
43:24Speaker 0warrior platform, which has been great. It's grown a little bit quicker than we were even expecting. I
43:29Speaker 0think so many people are seeking just
43:32Speaker 0information on peptides.
43:34Speaker 0You don't know what that is, it's a platform that we've built. We built it. So people are going on there. They are posting stuff.
43:41Speaker 0Are chiming in, answering questions. It's not just us. We don't even have the time to answer all the questions on there, but the whole objective was
43:47Speaker 0to bring people off of social media where they just it's heavily, heavily,
43:51Speaker 0heavily, heavily, heavily watched. I was dinged again for post a year ago. It's crazy.
43:56Speaker 0It's just, that's just old. Everybody's sick of that, I think. So you're able to talk freely and everybody supports each other. It's amazing. It's done better than we expected. So, Warrior
44:06Speaker 0Elite Warrior Maker platform on school, you'll find it. School. S K O
44:11Speaker 20 L.
44:12Speaker 0In
44:13Speaker 0regards to the 2nd thing, I'm stoked just to hear that we had some
44:19Speaker 0help with your wife kind of open her eyes to the fact that testosterone
44:22Speaker 0is a good thing. There's so many men now, things are starting to change and so many people are coming around, not even just for men, women are starting to take testosterone and it's changing their lives just like men. So I'm glad that that big wall of just,
44:39Speaker 0incorrectness
44:40Speaker 0is broken
44:41Speaker 0down because it's been there forever.
44:44Speaker 0Will and I have been talking about this stuff for a
44:47Speaker 0lot longer than we've had this podcast. Let me tell you that. And it's funny how some guys still go, tell my wife or don't tell anybody on testosterone.
44:54Speaker 0Dude, this is a good thing. So anyways, we're glad that we were helping with that. I'm going to go a little bit different. I'm going to say for your bride,
45:01Speaker 0I like the Tessa alone. I like to put my bride on it, just Tessa alone and just
45:06Speaker 0a 1 make, I think would do wonders for her. 1 make of Tessa at night. It'll burn that little belly fat. If she's got a little pooch there, it really focuses on that.
45:16Speaker 0I would start there. So that's my recommendation, to Tessa for women. That's good. Good idea. Actually. Not a bad, not a bad suggestion.
45:24Speaker 0Hope that helps. Right.
45:28Speaker 2I think this isn't me. All right. Question. Chloe from Australia. What's up, my
45:34Speaker 2mom, 48. I
45:36Speaker 2don't mean to make fun of you. It's just, we don't say it like that. So my mom, 48, myself,
45:42Speaker 248 myself,
45:43Speaker 2Chloe, 25 have gone crazy on peptides.
45:46Speaker 2Good for you. I started my journey 7 weeks ago on Retta and BPC TB
45:52Speaker 2at 150
45:53Speaker 2kg
45:54Speaker 2and currently 138
45:56Speaker 2kg.
45:57Speaker 2Good for you. I have just started stacking GHK-
46:00Speaker 2week 3 currently and Tesamorelin
46:02Speaker 2going into week 2. I'm wanting to know the following. Okay.
46:06Speaker 0Are,
46:07Speaker 2are my stacks okay? Tessa 5
46:11Speaker 2days on and 2 days off, or should I go every day? Every day. It needs to be done in a very consistent basis. The only reason you go 5 on 2 off is to save money. Okay. It's old like trick G is passed down from long time ago for doing HGH, right?
46:27Speaker 2That's not, that's, that is a myth and,
46:30Speaker 2and don't, and so every day will be much more effective. Okay.
46:34Speaker 2Every day. So should I do it every day? Yes. Okay. And then when does Tessa kick in or start to roll
46:41Speaker 2with targeting the visceral fat?
46:44Speaker 2My mom, 48, who started Reta for heavy inflammation
46:47Speaker 2and para menopause symptoms is always
46:50Speaker 2strength trained and focused on body recomp and always eaten at 100% on point. She's also been on HRT gel
46:57Speaker 2for the last year and 0.5, but it's made minimal gains and still felt like shit.
47:02Speaker 24 weeks ago, she started at 60.9
47:05Speaker 2kg and currently 50 50 55.8.
47:09Speaker 2She's also just started BPC TB. Loretta has exceeded her expectations on how she's been feeling. Right? Following on, my mom has been looking into MOTS-3.0 the additional benefits
47:19Speaker 2of that to support her menopause.
47:21Speaker 2In general, will MOTS-3.0 be a good addition to her to add to her stack to support para menopause symptoms? We both are fans of your podcast, appreciate all the information as it has helped us guide through with our peptide journey.
47:33Speaker 2Damn. Good job. Good. Thank you for the message. And those were like, I mean, look,
47:37Speaker 2those are real questions. You've thought this stuff out, right? And tried. So,
47:43Speaker 2I answered every day for the Tesa.
47:46Speaker 2I mean, I'd say 3 to 6 weeks on the Tesamorelin,
47:50Speaker 2working,
47:51Speaker 2attacking visceral fat and seeing just generally kind of seeing results. Now visceral fat is inside you. You don't see that.
47:59Speaker 2But I'd say about 3 to 6 weeks.
48:02Speaker 2I would go 12 weeks like consistent.
48:05Speaker 2Don't look back and just put your head down and just
48:08Speaker 2do it no matter what for 12 weeks. Okay. Don't
48:11Speaker 2think, don't be sitting there waiting daily for, Oh, did I see some results?
48:15Speaker 2It's not going to work like that. It just, these are peptides. These need to be done consistently for a longer time. I'd say 3 to 4 months, really.
48:24Speaker 2The most part, right? We nail Reta works a bit faster.
48:29Speaker 2You know, your mom, MOTS-3C, could be helpful.
48:33Speaker 2And I
48:34Speaker 2think so. She's already doing Retatrutide. I'm wondering, I'm just wondering, you said still feels like shit on the gel.
48:40Speaker 2I never said, never heard that you said she started to feel like shit. So I don't really know why she's feeling like shit.
48:47Speaker 2Okay. That's, I guess that is 1 question I don't know. I don't I do think the MOTS-3C cannot hurt. It can increase her, like, metabolic flexibility.
48:55Speaker 2Sounds like she trains a lot and has been doing that forever. And
48:59Speaker 2people who have trained for a long time have really kind of beaten down their body, by the way.
49:04Speaker 2They may look like they're in shape, but sometimes it's,
49:08Speaker 2there may be some kind of metabolic damage for a lot of, you know, some, some big like weight loss or muscle gain periods.
49:16Speaker 2So I think MOTS-1s): will be good for her. Yeah.
49:19Speaker 2In consistency in time,
49:22Speaker 2I don't, I think that answered your questions,
49:25Speaker 2but you keep going and keep messaging us.
49:28Speaker 0Yeah. The different things. We can give you some different ideas. Yeah. We're big in Australia. We appreciate you guys. You guys are all listening out there. We get to hear from them all the time. Appreciate that. So yeah, I think that, your mom, your mom should,
49:40Speaker 0kick the cream
49:42Speaker 0to the curb for sure. And just use the actual testosterone.
49:45Speaker 0That stuff, that's this stuff sucks, man. You know what I mean? Like nobody likes that stuff. It don't even really work.
49:52Speaker 0Don't know how much you're really getting. Gel just sucks. Just get on TRT. That's probably a fix right there. She'll feel great in a couple of weeks. So do that when it comes to premenopause.
50:03Speaker 0The easiest way for anybody is just to attack the symptoms. What are some of the symptoms like for
50:08Speaker 0a lack of a better way to say it, you know, dryness down below. So you got PT-one hundred 41 would help down there.
50:15Speaker 0Skin can be kind of flaky, whatnot. You can have GHK-3Cu
50:19Speaker 0should be added into that. NAD should be added into that for just
50:23Speaker 0like cellular energy. I mean, there's a reason why all the movie starts taking NAD and HGH because they freaking work. Anti ages are amazing and especially for peer menopause.
50:33Speaker 0NAD is amazing.
50:35Speaker 0The MOTS-3D will be great. You can add in, we'll know this SS-thirty 1 on top of that would light those 2 on fire.
50:41Speaker 0But again, you just attack
50:43Speaker 0where, what the problem is, right? If it's skin, then GHK-
50:47Speaker 0if it's like cellular energy NAD,
50:50Speaker 0while CS is 31, those are going to work with that type of stuff.
50:53Speaker 0Also, if you can get it out there,
50:56Speaker 0the cream, the
50:58Speaker 0face cream, the GHK-3Cu,
51:01Speaker 0I don't know if you can get the SNAP-8GHK-3C
51:03Speaker 0face cream out there, but that'll help in regards to some of that stuff and aging and things like that.
51:09Speaker 0That's a bunch to throw at you. But again, just see what the problem is and how you feel. And there's usually a peptide to fix that. So
51:17Speaker 0that's
51:17Speaker 0a permanent positive stack that we'd put together that I just kind of ran through quickly, but that'll help. Yep.
51:24Speaker 0And the TRT, that's the TRT. Get on some TRT.
51:27Speaker 0Even if it's the pellets, I don't know if you guys have that out in Australia. A lot of people, some people like them, some people don't. They're easy for women because they can kind of control it a little bit better, but it's a tiny little bit.
51:38Speaker 2But yeah, get rid of the gel. I think that you should, like NAD is a great suggestion. I think that a few others peptides
51:45Speaker 2for
51:46Speaker 2your mom,
51:48Speaker 2never know. Like we talked about with the MOTS-1C, like you just might, she might do NAD and just might go, boom, changes her life because
51:55Speaker 2she's deficient in that. Right? But you don't know until you try. And so I would, I would for sure add NAD as well.
52:03Speaker 2That seems to,
52:04Speaker 2I don't know. I like it and a lot of people love that stuff. Probably for a minute pause is probably the best. Yeah.
52:10Speaker 2Okay. So
52:12Speaker 2you're up.
52:14Speaker 0Love the show guys. You guys do awesome at breaking down what has worked for you. My question is I started using NAD plus and have heard that I needed to start my cycle with a 7 day loading cycle of a 100 Migs each morning. Well, I did this for 7 days straight and immediately felt tingling,
52:32Speaker 0nausea, hungry,
52:34Speaker 0and a little off. On the 7th day, went in for my quarterly blood test for my testosterone
52:40Speaker 0therapy as
52:41Speaker 0I was being checked and the nurse claimed my blood pressure was abnormally
52:46Speaker 0low, to 75 over 85. I'm wondering, can NAD cause low blood pressure?
52:51Speaker 0I have also been using Selank and Cmax 300 micrograms of each
52:57Speaker 0in 1 mg of the MOTS- C every morning. Also, the NAD was definitely what made me feel off. I since cut down our back to 25
53:06Speaker 0micrograms
53:08Speaker 0and
53:09Speaker 0milligrams daily.
53:10Speaker 0And what do you guys
53:12Speaker 0recommend?
53:13Speaker 2All right. I can get you this 1, dude. This is obvious. Hell yeah. That was way too much to start.
53:20Speaker 0100 mg
53:21Speaker 2is
53:22Speaker 2like a lot and daily is a lot too. So I, so I really, I think that about like 25, I think 25 to 50 mg,
53:30Speaker 23 days a week
53:32Speaker 2is kind of where a person should be with sub Q NAD.
53:36Speaker 2Right.
53:37Speaker 2100
53:38Speaker 2Migs to start off, dude. I'm surprised that, yeah, of course, dude, you didn't get like just the frozen and tingly,
53:44Speaker 2overwhelming
53:46Speaker 2freak
53:47Speaker 2out, but you may have, but you handled it well.
53:50Speaker 2Yeah, because that happens.
53:52Speaker 2I would go, I just don't think your body,
53:54Speaker 2I think more isn't necessarily good at that point. It's not really doing
53:59Speaker 2diminishing
54:00Speaker 2returns.
54:01Speaker 2So here's what I think it's 25 mg
54:04Speaker 2to 50 mg. Like if you're a bigger male, Hey, we can get up towards 50 mg,
54:09Speaker 23 days a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday,
54:12Speaker 2and roll with that for a long time. Yeah. K.
54:16Speaker 2So there's that, dude. Your Cmax, the Selank, I could you could bump those up a bit or the Cmax at least. Yeah. You said 300 mgs of each. I'd maybe, oh, 300 megs of each and 1 meg. So 1 mg MOTS-1MQ
54:28Speaker 2morning.
54:28Speaker 2Correct. That's what I do.
54:30Speaker 2The C Max C Lank, you could go to 500 megs, maybe even 7 50, but I think that too is a more of is a diminishing returns and more and more you do have that isn't necessarily better.
54:41Speaker 2I could bump bump those a bit up, but yeah, NAD, you are right.
54:46Speaker 0Drop her down. Yeah. A 100. Wow. That's a lot. I've done a lot of NAD and I've never done that much. I mean, I think he nailed it. I want be super redundant.
54:55Speaker 05 to 50. That's like, I do it daily. I'm not doing it right now. When I do it, I'd take kind of use it as a coffee around 02:00. Good friend of ours suggested it and it worked great. And I would do would do 50. So it worked for me, but I'd been doing it for a while before I did that. So try that maybe, maybe like Will said, either either 3 days a week at 25 or daily. I think you could get away with it because you were doing a shit ton in the beginning. Hundreds a lot. So yeah. And then move your way up. Like you said, you're going to waste it, you know? You're going to waste it. So don't waste it. Just 25 to 50 golden.
55:27Speaker 2That's a golden ticket. Keep it there. All right. So I'm currently on 15 mg of tirzepatide. Okay. This is like the
55:35Speaker 2max dose. Right? I want to switch to Reta as you should. We, how would you guys do it? So I'm scared to regain the weight, but I'm currently on a plateau. I work out 3 days a week, and I'm currently on to siponate a 100 Migs per week, split into 2 doses, 50 Migs and 50 Migs. Also taking CJC Ipam
55:53Speaker 25 7 2 0 5. I was 2 0 2 pounds before starting TRT 9 weeks ago.
55:58Speaker 2Okay.
55:59Speaker 2So I was lost 3 pounds in 9 weeks on TRT.
56:04Speaker 2Could it be that I'm just gaining muscle and that's why my numbers are flat going up? I went from benching 80 pounds to 150 in 4 months. I started DRT and jumped to 170
56:15Speaker 2pounds, 5 sets, 10 reps. My 2 rep max now is 2 0 5. I do feel stronger
56:21Speaker 2and have more definition, but still got a belly. Is Reta right for me or is there a different stack you would recommend? Thanks from South Florida. Alright.
56:30Speaker 2So
56:32Speaker 2obviously
56:34Speaker 2your the testosterone is working,
56:36Speaker 2right? You've like doubled your bench press. Okay.
56:41Speaker 2Which is amazing.
56:42Speaker 2And so like, yo,
56:44Speaker 2my guess is that you are losing weight. You just have some water retention going down like with maybe the CGC IPA and the testosterone,
56:54Speaker 2you if you pull that water out, you might look like a
56:57Speaker 2this is just maybe because I can't see you, but
57:00Speaker 2that there's a very good chance that your body is recompositioning.
57:04Speaker 2And because of just because of that strength gain, I have to think that you're putting muscle on. Like, duh. Right?
57:10Speaker 2And you and and the fact that you've lost 3 pounds. So you've lost 3 pounds
57:15Speaker 2and your bench rest has doubled.
57:18Speaker 2That means that you have probably burnt a lot of fat and gained a lot of muscle. It's the only thing I can deduce,
57:25Speaker 2but you don't see that.
57:26Speaker 2Right?
57:27Speaker 2Because muscle is hard to to get and you lost 3 pounds shit. Well, we know you've gained some muscle.
57:34Speaker 2So I don't know. I have to think that maybe you got some water retention going on that is like hiding your
57:40Speaker 2good leanness from you.
57:43Speaker 2I would lower, I would A) take some REMDAX, see if that's the case. Are you experiencing any other estrogen, estrogenic side effects? Any, any acne on your shoulders, dotted out nipple sensitivity and water retention?
57:55Speaker 2If so, try to take some Remdex
57:58Speaker 2maybe 3 days a week, like a 1 pill Monday, Wednesday, Friday, the 1 mg, see if it does anything.
58:04Speaker 2Other
58:06Speaker 2than that, how do you switch from Tirz to Retta?
58:09Speaker 2I would kind of,
58:12Speaker 2if I could just visually show this, you're on this much, Tirzepatide is like decrease
58:17Speaker 2this as much as you increase this. So start with 2.5 mg of this and start with
58:26Speaker 212.5
58:27Speaker 2mg of this. Right? So we added 2.5, took 2.5 away and
58:32Speaker 2do that kind of weekly.
58:34Speaker 2So it's like this weekly.
58:37Speaker 0Yeah. So we're fully over to the Reta. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Makes sense. That's that it's a tough 1. I mean, there's no exact science. That's a rough 1. We've been, we come across it a lot. There's different ways that we've tried to help people. And I don't think there's an exact way so that worked. So try that.
58:55Speaker 0Stack looks good. I mean,
58:57Speaker 0the, you could be converting to estrogen and you could try
59:01Speaker 0testosterone propionate.
59:03Speaker 0Sip can
59:04Speaker 0hold some water. I mean, I don't think you're taking that much, but it's possible.
59:08Speaker 0So that's 1 thing you could go to the test P and that would be a little bit better, but he's a 100 Migs per week. That's really
59:16Speaker 2also just takes time, bro. Like how old are you? How long did it take you Right? Build that
59:21Speaker 2I bet it took longer than 4 months. Yeah. So it just takes some time, dude. That's the last thing to go is your stomach, right? Yeah. We all get lean from toes and for and tops of head 1st. Right? As we get leaner and better shape, right, those are the things that start leaning out. Right? What's the last to go is basically your lower, your stomach and your love handles. Last and hardest thing. People are like, well, but my shoulders are looking lean. Yes. So are my calves. Yep.
59:44Speaker 2Because those get lean 1st.
59:46Speaker 0When we were when I working with people, like, on diet mainly,
59:50Speaker 0a lot of people would be not losing weight because they'd get on the scale. They're so addicted to the damn scale.
59:56Speaker 0But I would tell them, send me a picture, which I did every Friday, and then I would send it, I would do a side by side and send it to them. Now I would say, do you look different? Because you do to me. And you lose it in your belt buckle sometimes 1st. Like you didn't gain all this weight at 1 time. No. It's not, you know, we want, we're in humans are instant gratification.
1:00:13Speaker 0We want it now.
1:00:15Speaker 0Right. It's just, it is what it is, but go just kind of stay on course to what you're doing. Now you can do some add ons to kind of expedite some of this, you know, as you do it, you can add on, you know, HGH, like we said, that will start to burn that belly fat too and like kind
1:00:30Speaker 0of a perpetuity type deal, right? Or if you don't want to do the HGH, a secretagogue
1:00:35Speaker 0would help or
1:00:37Speaker 0a 5 Amino-1MQ
1:00:38Speaker 0or a SLU-3.332
1:00:41Speaker 0or any of the fat burners
1:00:43Speaker 0on top of what you're doing would do well. And there's a lot of AOD,
1:00:47Speaker 05 minute 1 MQ, SLU-3P-three 32.
1:00:49Speaker 0Those are just 2, you could do like L Carnitine and there's tons of them. So you could add a little bit on there if you want to inject less, just get the sublingual SLU and those are great. I love them. Try that. Yeah.
1:01:03Speaker 2Keep going dude. Don't know your age, but like,
1:01:07Speaker 2a 100 Migs a isn't
1:01:09Speaker 2a 100 Migs a week really isn't a lot. If
1:01:12Speaker 2we do think it is water retention, maybe try to like slowly lower your, your secreta dogs and then slowly increase them. You just might see something's going on.
1:01:22Speaker 2I don't see how you got so much stronger without
1:01:24Speaker 2you had to have lost, you had to have burned fat and gain a lot of muscle. All right.
1:01:29Speaker 0Last 1, Europe. I'm up. All right. Gentlemen, love the show. Loving the new platform. Awesome. Appreciate all that you are, you and your team do. My question is
1:01:40Speaker 0I'm currently taking 20 to 30 mg daily of Adderall for ADHD
1:01:45Speaker 0and curious how much this could potentially overwork my system or counteract
1:01:50Speaker 0some of the supplements I'm using currently
1:01:53Speaker 0running Reta, MOTS- C, NAD, BPC,
1:01:56Speaker 0TB blend, Tessa,
1:01:58Speaker 0CJC Ipah blend, and adding in GHKCU.
1:02:02Speaker 0Just looking to optimize things and make sure I'm
1:02:06Speaker 0not overdoing it. Would love to get to a point where the Adderall is only used for high stakes days at work as needed,
1:02:14Speaker 0but minimally on the other days. Thanks.
1:02:17Speaker 0That's a good question. We don't have that. That's legit question. Luckily
1:02:22Speaker 2JD and I have experimented with our share of drugs.
1:02:26Speaker 2And Adderall is a drug. It's an amphetamine, but,
1:02:29Speaker 2I think that 20 to 30 mg isn't very much.
1:02:32Speaker 2I don't know. And
1:02:35Speaker 2so what does Adderall? It's a stimulant.
1:02:37Speaker 2Okay? So what do we know about stimulants? It is it is it's basically it's tightening up all your blood vessels. K? So blood is not flowing as well. Right? It's kinda you feel this like,
1:02:47Speaker 2you know, kind of tighten shrubble up kind of feeling. Right? It's like when you take way too much pre workout.
1:02:52Speaker 2So it's not,
1:02:54Speaker 2it's not allowing as much blood flow to go around. I almost think the biggest worry is it puts you in this it's gonna increase your your heart rate. It just makes you age faster and puts you in this kind of a more, like, on edge stressful state.
1:03:08Speaker 2And that the less blood flow and
1:03:12Speaker 2it is going to decrease
1:03:15Speaker 2recovery a little bit. Okay? For not getting as much blood to these muscles,
1:03:19Speaker 2we're not getting as much nutrients and as much oxygen to them. And that is a slight problem, but I still think that 20 to 30 mg a day isn't that much.
1:03:30Speaker 2Isn't that much to really be causing a problem. Isn't that much to really be
1:03:35Speaker 2making you age a whole lot more? Now I would try modafinil instead of Adderall. I think we don't want to be on Adderall. Right? It is a
1:03:44Speaker 2it there's there's some things that that are just better.
1:03:47Speaker 2And I don't know. I don't like the I don't like the feel of Adderall.
1:03:51Speaker 2I just don't like how that feels. I don't like the stimulants all by themselves.
1:03:55Speaker 2But if you do, good for you, but, maybe even more reason to not wanna not do it because you might like it too much. But Modafinil is a good replacer, So is maybe Cmax,
1:04:04Speaker 2right? Cmax and these other nootropics
1:04:07Speaker 2are perfect for people wanting to get off of this,
1:04:11Speaker 2like these actual
1:04:12Speaker 2narcotic stimulants.
1:04:14Speaker 0So
1:04:15Speaker 2I don't think it's that bad, but I think you're a 100% right with trying to get rid of it, get it off of you,
1:04:20Speaker 2get out of you and
1:04:22Speaker 2do less and less. I do think it's impeding, you know, results a little bit, mostly in the recovery end
1:04:29Speaker 2because of less blood cells. So, like, you know, when people get preworkouts and they get a preworkout that's a ultra high stim and ultra high pump,
1:04:37Speaker 2like, sorry, guys. It's just a marketing deal because those counteract each other. Right? The high stim is gonna is gonna constrict constrict blood blood vessels. Vessels. The The high high pump pump is is gonna going to try and open them. If you just blast this thing full of both, 3
1:04:48Speaker 2we're blood vessels are same
1:04:51Speaker 2Not helpful. So
1:04:54Speaker 2I don't know. There's an extra little bit of info, but that's yeah. What you got? All
1:04:58Speaker 0right. I'm going go a little bit different. I'm going to just, I'm big on abstinence on that stuff, man. I'm obviously sober and I've been through a lot of stiff shit, as you say.
1:05:07Speaker 0I think we can really start to reboot our mind once we do some things that can replace that, which is like meditation,
1:05:15Speaker 0helping people like those things center us and they center our souls. Now they take work.
1:05:20Speaker 0You're probably thinking you need the Adderall, right? Whether you do or you don't, you do think that and
1:05:26Speaker 0you can break the cycle and you can replace what you think that you need with other things that are a lot more healthy.
1:05:33Speaker 0So again, I'm going to do that route with you, man. And
1:05:37Speaker 0peptides are going to be great. Do I think it's hindering you? Yeah, I think so. I think any type of narcotic or like alcohol is going to not let those shine as well. You're spending a lot of money. Why don't you get the best bang for your buck? And why don't you try this? Why don't you try to get off Adderall? If you can't, You might need to. Let's just like get really to the jugular.
1:05:57Speaker 0But again,
1:05:58Speaker 0to get somewhat
1:06:00Speaker 0AA on your recovery,
1:06:03Speaker 0you can find so much peace that we don't find by helping other people,
1:06:07Speaker 0by just doing for others and not looking for anything in return.
1:06:12Speaker 0You know, like I said, meditation and
1:06:15Speaker 0just breaking the old cycle of the thing that you think that you need, because
1:06:20Speaker 0I'm under the belief that God knows what he's doing and I don't think any of us necessarily need narcotics in any form. Now, there will be some exceptions, of course,
1:06:29Speaker 0schizophrenic
1:06:30Speaker 0and all that stuff. I don't know much about that stuff. Anyways,
1:06:33Speaker 0there's exceptions to every rule. But that's my take, man. We're sober. We talk about it all the time. I'm just a huge fan of abstinence in all forms and you can replace that drug with something that will be a lot better. If you have any more questions, use the DM. We'd love to talk to you. Yep. Yeah, everybody else check out the school app. It's K O 0 L. I think that we'll put a
1:06:55Speaker 0link under. Yeah. If you guys love it, this podcast,
1:06:59Speaker 0you guys will love it. I mean, it's like the people are just
1:07:02Speaker 0rallying around each other, lifting each other. There's been a couple of dickheads on there. We boot them off. We're very clear. There's no marketing of it. Our platform is you're not going to come and market anything.
1:07:12Speaker 0We answer questions, you give your experience and we, it's just, there's strength in numbers types and you'll enjoy it. Plus we have all the dosage protocols on there.
1:07:22Speaker 0We'll keep adding, we're
1:07:26Speaker 2adding, we're adding different like conditions,
1:07:28Speaker 2different protocols for all types of different conditions that people go through,
1:07:33Speaker 2You know, different
1:07:34Speaker 2stacks based on who you are, what you need,
1:07:37Speaker 2and that are pretty in-depth that nobody else is putting out there. So, yeah, a lot of good resources out there. Stuff.
1:07:44Speaker 0Next week, I don't know. We haven't decided what we're gonna do for the pep 10 of the week. We record that on Friday,
1:07:49Speaker 0and, I guess we'll see you then.
1:07:52Speaker 2Good night.