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0:03Speaker 2Your teen might not share everything with you, but teens share everything with each other. And certain everyday behaviors like sharing food, drinks, or kisses could mean sharing bacteria that can cause meningococcal disease known as meningitis.
0:16Speaker 2Although meningitis is uncommon, about 1 in 10 who develop it will die. Ask your teen's doctor about missing meningitis vaccinations.
0:47Speaker 2and it's gentle on the skin. It's a powerful clean you can feel good about. So go on, pick up a bottle of All Free Clear for your next laundry day.
1:28Speaker 1are in full swing. We will and I, if you missed it, we were able to do well, 1st off we launched our platform a long,
1:37Speaker 1it took a lot longer than we expected. And it was a lot of work. Now we do a lot of other stuff. So it took a long time to kind of, we're juggling different things, but man, we dropped it a week ago. It's shot up a lot more than we expected. So we're blessed. A lot of people joined and that was awesome. And yesterday we sat down with
1:55Speaker 1the warrior elites. We have a section in there where you can pay and, have some contact with us and ask us direct questions and things like that. So yesterday we sat down and we did a live zoom call, which we had never done. It was kind of different, but it was fine. It's kind of the same. Yeah. What'd you think? It
2:16Speaker 1hi and kind of- Which is like the whole thing that it was live. I've never even done that on Yes. Instagram.
2:29Speaker 0Yeah. We just want to hit the system. Nobody really knew what was going to take place. And so,
2:34Speaker 0but it was fine. Everybody was cool. Mean, people just said, yeah, there are people who are just kind of there to listen.
2:39Speaker 1It was a lot of like this where you guys are so rad and so kind on your, you know, everybody, you know, on these questions is always, you know, talking about how they love the podcast and whatnot. So similar to that. It was cool. I mean, it was cool. Yes, absolutely. Everybody, those who, who spoke were just basically just wanted to say thank you. Yeah. Which is awesome, which is, which is helpful.
3:10Speaker 1that we know and that we have. Yeah. We've talked about it countless times, but you know, there's always new listeners. And, so we started with just a little bit of the story, how it all started. And it's a cool story. You know, a lot of people I'm sure had not heard it, but
3:23Speaker 1this whole thing, this whole podcast is just so funny because it's just kind of a fluke. It was not planned. We didn't sit down and strategically
3:31Speaker 1plan to make a podcast. We just are 2 dudes that love talking about this stuff. And we met at an AA meeting and we
3:40Speaker 1would talk about this stuff just like we're talking now. Hey, did you try that? Have you heard of this?
3:45Speaker 1You know, and like, would say, I got this new compound. Why don't you try this? And that's what we do. We just try a bunch of stuff and see how we respond to it. So now we just record it. It's just, it's just a rad thing, dude. That in like, right. I have, I mean, I guess me personally, right. I've been doing
4:01Speaker 0in the supplement business for 10 years or so, and ended up kind of performance enhancing
4:07Speaker 1peptide supplement business. So 0 You wouldn't have GC where you learned a lot because you've, you've known a lot about proteins and stuff, and it's been helpful as we create our own protein. We'll just knows that stuff. Yeah. And tons, I mean, you know, He's the type of guy that when he works there, he's, he reads all of the stuff and learns all of this stuff where most people just work there. And when the people ask, they go, yeah, you should take this. We'll actually knows why you should take it. This is who he is, man. So he studies it. Guess when there was downtime, I just went, all right, let's just read,
4:44Speaker 0And then go to the next 1 for a while. Yeah. They learn, but like that. You know, and then just working with so many people and
4:56Speaker 0in myself, right? But like, yeah, seeing all the possible potential feedback every single compound and what do people, different people's experiences are,
5:05Speaker 0illuminating. There's, there's a whole, I mean, what, what the main takeaway is, right? You can read something on paper, right? You can have a profile of some compound and yeah, cool. That might do, you're going to exhibit, you're going to see a lot of that, but man, different people have different reactions to everything. Well, I think what's important, almost the most important thing here, it doesn't matter if it's a doctor, it doesn't matter if it's
5:28Speaker 1somebody that you trust that's selling different compounds or whatever, anybody that you trust.
5:34Speaker 1If there's somebody saying this is, this is it, this is how it works. And there's no other way. That's the wrong person because we are constantly
5:46Speaker 1coming in more contact with other people and myself. As I read through these questions, there's a lot of stuff that I'm going to respond to that I've
5:59Speaker 1feelings about what's worked. How do I know? Cause I've done it. How do I know? Cause I've done it, you know? So, but I will tell you, I do not know everything nor does will we don't even pretend to,
6:09Speaker 1we just keep learning and we commit when, if you look at some of the podcasts in the beginning, we've grown since then, just our water, used to think we should put it in the refrigerator. That's what we read at the time. That was a steady dancer,
6:30Speaker 0and those new ones are basically are the ones that are requiring non cold water. So frankly, even though we
6:36Speaker 0did read and study and try at that point in time, there wasn't anything out there that- Saying otherwise. That was conflicting.
6:45Speaker 0since then, because there's new, because there's so much more R and D going on for all of these guys because they're realizing they were working and working and working. So,
6:56Speaker 1new things appear and we need to adjust, but yeah, we don't know everything. 0 We'll continue to do this stuff though. Probably until we die, man. Cause we are so intrigued. I love it. I have enjoyed all of our own, just even our conversations. I walk away always more educated.
7:10Speaker 1The conversations that we have with the doctors and the nurses and the people that we've had on and man, we plan on having a lot more because we enjoy it. We learn so much and I hope you all enjoy it as well. I know a lot of the feedback is you've enjoyed having us having guests on, so we're going to do it either way because we enjoy it and
7:30Speaker 1we're going to give you the best content. So it was fun. If you have not joined the Warrior Maker platform,
7:35Speaker 1we will leave some links and let you join it. It's been rad, man. You have people that are posting their wins. They're posting,
7:44Speaker 1you know, where their journey started. There's people losing a lot of weight out there. There's people that have been overweight and getting ripped.
7:56Speaker 1There's always some, for lack of a better way to say it, pricks on there that are gonna be negative. We're gonna boot them off. We are all about positivity here. We're not bringing negative and you're not going to talk bad on anybody. That's not going to happen on our site. So anyways, we're blessed. We're stoked. Everything's going good. Let's jump in. This is a Q and A episode
8:15Speaker 1of our favorites. And these are good questions, man. I enjoyed them. So we'll do the honors. I will start. As always.
8:28Speaker 0I am looking for your opinion on how to optimize my health. 49 years old, total test is $7.40,
8:46Speaker 0I've taken tirzepatide for about a year now, stayed on 3 mils a week, had good results. Body fat is 13%. I have an order of peptides coming that includes Retta, Clo, and HGH.
9:06Speaker 0I've never taken, I've never taken HGH. Your advice would be appreciated on that. With Tesamorelin be helpful. I have done Ipam, CJC 12 95 a few times. I've liked it other than it seems to affect my wind.
9:34Speaker 0is going to affect your cardiovascular system. Right? Well, hell, you'll just gain a little you might just gain too much weight and then, you know, you'll slow down everywhere. I think, and also the same for the HGH.
9:55Speaker 0But, and really all you really need is 1, 1 to 2, 1 to 3, maybe I use, but as you're preparing, but it sure is going to help your body recover. Cause you need to train for these things. It's not like, well, hopefully you're not just waking up and going, well,
10:09Speaker 06 months I got to run this marathon and then waking up that morning and just running it. You should be training before this. What's your marathon? 26 and
10:19Speaker 0your body's going to need that recovery. Right? And I'm definitely not saying stop the testosterone, but I think your test is probably at a good, good level for that. I think I would do HGH and 1 IU,
10:42Speaker 0Good. I think you should because Retta is going to allow you to eat some more food, which your body's going to need.
10:49Speaker 0don't go overboard. Right? You don't want to be way too lean. You want to have a little bit of energy stored up and you don't want to, you need some glycogen stored in your muscles before that race
11:09Speaker 1Think, I think the 1st thing that jumped out at me is the most important thing here is I feel good right now. Yeah. I mean, there, there, there you go. You're done. You're good. You feel great. So we don't need to do much more. I mean, the test is a little low. I mean, 07:40, you know, 07:40 you can get by with eleven's low though. Eleven's on for example. So that would be something that I would want to work on. You know, I like mine to be around 45 again. That's not you,
11:37Speaker 1that's not anybody that's me, you know, cause I played with those levels, but 11 is low regardless guaranteed.
11:43Speaker 1And that's going to give you some energy and sex drive. That's that's where that stuff is affected.
11:52Speaker 1that's going to be great for recovery. I think anybody 40 should be running 1 or 2. I think HGH and TRT are just lifelines for dudes 40,
12:10Speaker 1going to probably feel tired at 1st. So, you know, that's kind of what kind of comes along with it. Don't think it's not working. It is working.
12:18Speaker 1So I remember when I 1st started, I was really tired and my fingers were tingling. Remember that road? I was like, dude, man. And,
12:28Speaker 1So just know that, I think it's great, but, yeah, I would work on your 11. That's low. My brother
12:34Speaker 1add in some HGH. You might want to throw in some SLU-PP-three 32 because that's going to help with stamina. You can also do a- Cartering. Cartering,
13:08Speaker 1You know, you're kind of sitting on where you should be. So your body do the, do the thinking really.
13:20Speaker 0you could try taking provyrin. I don't know if you're willing to do that. It's not, that's very, very, very low side effect profile, but that, that,
13:29Speaker 0decreases your SHBG, your sex hormone binding globulin, which essentially like attaches to your androgen receptors and then not much more androgen can stick on there, right? Like your testosterone. So we take Provirin and that essentially strips that off. And now you have a brand new
14:01Speaker 1I'm back with another questions. I have been on NAD for at least a year and since I've been on it, I love it. I do cycle off from time to time and notice the difference for sure. My
15:06Speaker 1Keep up the good work and JD, happy to hear that your little guy is doing well and it wasn't something more serious. I couldn't imagine as I'm a proud dad myself of a 9 year old. Awesome. God bless. Keep on moving. Love it. Thank you. That is awesome.
15:22Speaker 0sure. So, so we have not really talked about NMN and I'm not going to say the whole words, what that acronym stands for, because they're really long words. Because
15:32Speaker 0it's that, that stuff is more for somebody who's just not willing to do the NAD plus injections.
15:38Speaker 0That's basically it. So those are the pre, that's a precursor to NAD. So theoretically,
15:45Speaker 0convert that, so you give it more building materials and then your body will naturally convert that to NAD plus, right? But if you are willing to inject NAD plus, then that's just the better option. So
16:05Speaker 1Question, yeah, it's great. So the question, did I cut you off? Sorry. Yes, but- No, sorry. I
16:15Speaker 0the stack you're taking great, right? Like basically it was some performance and recovery and brain focus. I hope you liking the Selank and Semax.
16:25Speaker 0That all sounds great. I would maybe like, I don't know, maybe not add anything more in there. It looks like you have like all of the bases covered that
16:48Speaker 0just comes with the territory. Now, if you can mix backwater in there and it stays and it doesn't gel up, awesome. Do that. Here's the thing though. Usually, doesn't it's not like you put backwater in AOD and then it just gels
17:10Speaker 0you shouldn't if you're going to mix it, you need to use it and use it religiously like now. Like that bottle can't sit even in even in AA water.
17:38Speaker 0yeah, yeah, that's 1, but hell, do it. If you can mix back water and just use that fast before it starts to gel out, power to you. And then if it starts to gel up, even like, don't
17:47Speaker 0inject the gel, but like, it was me. Leave it out. Yeah. I'm still if it's gelled up at the bottom and I've done this plenty of time, still gonna ride the I'm still gonna use the liquid that's in there. Hell yeah.
18:00Speaker 1done it so many times. I, I've used backwater even to this day. Like, you know, sometimes that's what I have and that's what I use. So I don't mind it. And I've never really had the sting, but from the acetate water, but like I said, each his own.
18:13Speaker 1Yeah. I mean, Will kind of answered it. It's basically like a growth hormone and a secretagogue.
18:21Speaker 1that goes to NR that goes to NAD, right? They're precursors that for the NAD. So if you just inject NAD, you're going to get NAD directly. So that's going to be the best. Do you need those 2
18:44Speaker 1feel anything? I don't think so. The 1 thing that I've read is that it'll kind of keep the NAD working a little bit longer. So if you want to try that, sure.
18:53Speaker 1I mean, I inject NAD daily, I don't have that problem, I don't need to do that. I take NAD generally for the most part,
19:00Speaker 15 to 6 days a week, right around 2. So I don't need to take those because I take it every day. But that's the answer on that. In regards to your stack, you're doing great. AOD by far is 1 of my favorites. I have downshifted on almost all peptides
19:16Speaker 1and NAD is 1 of the ones that I've kept because I love it. So that is standing in my repertoire.
19:24Speaker 1you for talking about my little guy. It was a really funny, scary night, for sure. 1 of the scariest nights I've had with that little guy, for sure.
19:33Speaker 1But man, they are resilient. Aren't they? He woke up the next day and it was like, it never happened.
19:38Speaker 1Blown away. I was scared to death at 3 in the morning. I walked in and see my kid lifeless and I was like, please God. And then, you know, 12 hours later, he's running around kicking a ball.
19:50Speaker 0So appreciate you, man. Go ahead. All right. That's it. That's it. Good. Next 1. Ready? Want me to move on? Okay. So what is your opinion on Melanotan?
20:00Speaker 0What benefits does it have besides being tan? I'm 43 year old female and tan easily, but would prefer to stay out of the sun. All right. So 1st of all,
20:17Speaker 0Melanotan II is probably the more popular. It was it was just, I guess, more widely available earlier than 1. It's usually a little bit cheaper,
20:32Speaker 0you should be doing it, you know, almost every day to start off, right, every other day. So you need to do it more frequently. It's gonna work faster. Unfortunately, both of these things, like, they only work if you're in the sun.
20:43Speaker 0So if you don't wanna stay out of set, but here's the thing, like you'll, you can spend less time in the sun because you'll get tan a whole bunch faster. So there's that. Now Melanotan
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22:15Speaker 0will not do that to you. Not nearly as bad, not noticeable. So anyway, I suggest if you decide to do an MTN 2, I would do the injection at night, right before you go to sleep before a day that you know you're going to hit the sun.
22:33Speaker 0is going to give you freckles. Like you're going to start, I would just say like really bad black dots everywhere. Right?
22:39Speaker 01 will not do that. MTN2 is going to increase your libido. Like it's going to, just like BT. Yeah. Just like because
23:19Speaker 0so let's see what else. That's about it now. Also, if you don't wanna do the injectable, there is nasal sprays.
23:29Speaker 0Okay? You're not getting as much as you do in the injectable unless you do like 10 sprays. Yeah. So
23:37Speaker 0and they really work. You just need you do need to get sun. It's kind of enhancing the melanin in your skin. Actually will like protect you from getting burnt too,
23:55Speaker 1That's kind of a mic drop. Like Will knows a lot about that. I mean, so, but again, like it's funny because
24:01Speaker 1you, you only can go off your experience. My experience with Melanotan is that I have taken it and not gone in the sun and I still get tan. So that would be the only 1 I would say that where I would differ because
24:21Speaker 1people that we know that take it and then they, they come by and I'll be like, you taking a little bit, you taking Melanotan and they're like, yeah, I love that stuff. Think you should stop a little bit. Trying to be nice. You
24:42Speaker 0Jumpy board. The other thing is like, builds up in your system. So even though I said like, Hey, Montan, you should maybe start off daily. Like you don't need to do it. You'll feel You basically just know it. Like be a good judge in the mirror, right? You will get to be able to just back off the dose even more and more, and it just has compounded. It's in your system and working. It does. Should do
25:02Speaker 1once week or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I I've taken both. I've tried, I like Melanotan-one.
25:07Speaker 1You can take it like Monday, Friday, and it works really quick. I think it works really quick. Melanotan-two.
25:29Speaker 1and say with PT, some people are like, I can't take it because I get so nauseous. And I like right away, I'm like, and then I'm like, fine. But some people don't, they're like, man, I can't take it because I'm so nauseous. Get it. Everybody's different. Way different feeling. So the PT-one hundred 41, it's not, I don't get that nauseous,
25:45Speaker 0but I just get uncomfortable feeling, You know, just like, ugh, just like need to, like it's like you took way too much pre workout, and then now you just have to, like, sit there in, like, a warm room. Tingly. You know, it's not even the tingly. It's just the internal feeling. Right? Or you just do a whoosh cocaine and then it's an hour later and it's all done. Then you're like- Don't remind me horrible. Worst coming to life is cocaine. Yes. Worst. So,
26:11Speaker 0but you're really horny. And I think you almost made me feel you just like, I kind of feel like shit, like the only thing, same thing, the only thing that'll make me feel good.
26:22Speaker 0it does work. But I don't get the nausea from PT-one hundred 41. I get it. I get the just bad feeling. Everybody's
26:33Speaker 1hey, JD and Will, love the podcast. I'm a big fan of the message you guys put out. I'm a 40 year old male and had a question about TRT.
26:54Speaker 1That is a lot of weight. Good for you, man. That is no easy feat. Train cardio and weights 5 to 6 days a week and follow a solid meal plan. Good for you, dude. My current stack, CJC-twelve
27:18Speaker 1each week. I recently had labs done and everything looked good. My total testosterone was 5 71 and free testosterone was
27:40Speaker 1it makes sense based on my labs. I have no issue with sex drive and honestly, I feel better than I ever have. I'm curious what you guys think about starting TRT or even HGH in a situation like mine. My overall goal is to just stay healthy, enjoy life long term. Thanks again for the content.
27:59Speaker 1Yeah, I think that's what we all want. You want to take that 1 1st? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Again,
28:27Speaker 1That 86 is high, but hey, you feel great, but you probably feel good because your 86 is high.
28:36Speaker 1I think that you're doing good, man. I don't think that you need to take it unless you, you know, you need it. If you feel great,
28:44Speaker 1then there will be a day you might not feel great and you take it. You know, we're big advocates for TRT, dude.
28:51Speaker 1So, you know, but if it's not, if you feel good, then there you go, man. I think that's it. Now HGH is a different story. You are over 40. There you go. I think, yeah, in the HGH, I love it. I think you should.
29:04Speaker 11 or 2. That's it. If anybody tells you more, don't listen to them. 1 or 2. I started off on 1. Will tell you 1 IU for so long. I didn't want to overdo it. And dude, I'm telling you, it did wonders. I, at about 6 months, right at that mark, dude, I know it was helping me burn fat like crazy. I noticed it.
29:23Speaker 1Start there maybe, you know, and then if you want to go up to 2, up to 2, but I think you should try that.
29:29Speaker 1But yeah, that's my answer. Brother, I think you, you can get to the TRT. I think you eventually 1 will get to the TRT, but right now I'm going to advise you to just chill. Feel good. Yeah. Would agree. Stay off it as long as you can. If
29:57Speaker 0that's not really what matters here. It's that say it's that free number. And so, yeah, I wouldn't, doesn't sound like you need it. Don't do it until you start to need it and then it will really work. Take it now.
30:08Speaker 0You don't, you won't have it. It won't just work as good when you really do need it. Same. I concur with the HGH as well.
30:17Speaker 1Everything you said. For those who haven't heard this, because we've said it a lot, but again, like I said, there's always new listeners. Easiest way to explain
30:23Speaker 1a total and free, I'll just simplify it as much as I can. Total T how much money you have in your bank account? Free T how much money you have in your wallet that you could spend right then and there. So your energy level,
30:35Speaker 1sex drive, it's based upon this right there. And that's why you feel great, dude. You can spend a lot of money.
30:44Speaker 1You will probably be on TRT in the next few years. So run it, man. Stay good. Who's up? You? Thank you. I think so. All right. Hi guys. I really appreciate both
30:54Speaker 0your knowledge in this space of peptides and taking the time to answer questions. I've been diagnosed with prostate hyperplasia,
31:03Speaker 0but still emptying, lack of libido. I'm wondering what peptides you would recommend to help alleviate symptoms.
31:14Speaker 0I also need your thoughts on my testosterone blood panning. Total is 3 20 nanograms per deciliter and free is 6.82
31:32Speaker 1Thanks. From Oz. They love us out in Oz. Yeah, they do. Dude, there are lot of listeners out in Australia. I love it. Good stuff. You want me to run or you want to take I guess I'll take a stab. So I
32:03Speaker 0I mean, KPV, so basically the Thymosin you've done some research, right? So Thymosin Alpha and KPV,
32:14Speaker 0if that is the problem, I mean, that's always the problem. If the prostate is swollen, hence is in swelling is inflammation,
32:40Speaker 0I've taken 1 or 2 pills in a day, a day, like 2 days in a row, 1 pill, 1 pill, And that has been enough to shrink it back down and I'm good. Really?
32:50Speaker 0I haven't, I You feel like the flow, like opens right up? Yep. Interesting. Like within 5 hours. Wow. Yeah. Like middle of the night to the morning,
32:58Speaker 0like woken up in the middle of the night. I've ran Primo. Primo does that like bad and maybe for me. Right. And I could, I could definitely feel it. So I know all the symptoms and I've taken like Finasteride literally in the middle of night and I woke up in the morning and like emptied my full bladder. Yeah. Those symptoms though have not
34:04Speaker 0which is to help relax and help calm, right? Like helps with any like performance anxiety.
34:21Speaker 0right? Like, yeah, I guess is the question. I think you should be on TRT at 3 20 nanograms per deciliter is your total TRT.
34:38Speaker 0they will not prescribe if you're not below 2 or 300, but man, being at and that's crazy. Dear God. Yeah.
34:46Speaker 0right, haven't had an erection for a while, not in the morning, and and you're probably not happy. So
35:01Speaker 1You did. Cialis is what I was gonna say. It's great. Cialis, I take, I mean, I'm not religious about it. That's the 1 where I kind of slack, but I try to take 5 mg a day. It's great for just blood flow. It's great for pumps in the gym. It's great for just keeping blood flow.
35:16Speaker 1Old dudes like me don't think that you said your name. It's great. It works really well. It does kind of keep you ready in the position. I'm not, I don't have a problem in it, but like it does just help, you know, and it does work with sex drive I have found.
35:34Speaker 1I will be back on his yes, please. The love of God, get on testosterone brother. I always just think logically,
35:49Speaker 1there's no right or wrong answer where you need to be. You need to be where you feel good, but the reason you don't have sex drive dude is because you don't have testosterone,
35:58Speaker 1brother. So let's get you some testosterone in you. You will feel like a new man in 3 weeks. I have arrived.
36:07Speaker 1You out in Australia, brother, you will feel like you have arrived. I'm sure you surf and all that stuff. You'll be like just running circles around those young guys again. You'll feel like you're 31, dude. So jump on that stuff. We already took it. BPC-1MQ
36:22Speaker 1it's going to help with that stuff. And the Cialis, I think he already answered it. That should help. So good stuff.
36:33Speaker 1Thank you both for putting out such great, thorough information for answering our questions. It makes such a difference.
36:45Speaker 133 doses being all over the place? I know there are some thoughts that it can be taken massive doses,
37:34Speaker 1year old woman on hormone replacement. I didn't catch that when I read that 1st woman. Okay. Hormone replacement
37:41Speaker 1estradiol patch, oral progesterone, and testosterone sipponates sub Q. Go girl. I'm fit and active
37:48Speaker 1teach, spin, hike, play tennis, and of course lift heavy weights 5 days a week. What a beast. I love it. Diet, very focused on protein, intermittent fasting,
37:58Speaker 1and some carb cycling. This girl knows what's up. Working to lose 2% more body fat, which might not sound like a lot, but it's a tall, tall,
38:12Speaker 1tail end of a long, hard journey and at my age, everything takes time to work. Does. I feel you. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and insight. Let me jump on this real quick because I got some likes. So
38:27Speaker 1the best knowledge that we can give you is the 1 we learn ourselves. We have been all over the place with SLU-3. We've learned different things. We've tried different things.
38:45Speaker 1We all took some. So we wanted to try it because we read the same stuff that it should be taken in high doses. We've tried it all. I've taken SLU-4quite a long time.
38:56Speaker 1after researching, you guys have probably heard me share this multiple times. I went through stage fairly recently where I was burnt the hell out. I was working a lot of hours, doing a lot of things. I juggle a lot for sure.
39:10Speaker 1But the problem is I have a 2 year old man, he just likes to wake up in the middle of the night and scream.
39:27Speaker 1reboot and just kind of think through stuff. And I start thinking kind of like what's affecting this,
39:32Speaker 1you know, took out Tesamorelin because I know that could affect sleep. So I just started pulling different things out. And then long story short, I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to downsize
39:46Speaker 1And, 1 stuff that I've read about the SLU-5s, if you take too much and you do higher doses, it can give you that burnt out feeling. Now, was that the SLU-3P that I was taking? Because I was taking about 6 mg a day. Now that would be subjective if that's high or not. I don't know. Probably I would say most would think that would be high,
40:04Speaker 1but I loved it and I know that it's a great compound and I did well on it for a while. I thought
40:10Speaker 1was that some of the issue could have been right because I've read that, you know, and I've only read that fairly recently. So that's 1 of the reasons I pulled it, you know?
40:19Speaker 1So again, I think ultimately it was a 3 hours of sleep because now I've been getting great sleep and dude, I feel like 1000000 bucks, dude. I feel like brain fog's gone. And I've also downsized on everything. Well, I was just telling Will HGH,
40:38Speaker 1you know, I'm trying to say bulking. So I'm gonna do a little bit more TRT than I normally do. So I'm going up on that.
40:51Speaker 1How do we know this stuff? Because you try it all. How did Will and I know so much about TRT and stuff? Cause we have been doing it for a long time and the best knowledge you're going to get is when you try it on you,
41:01Speaker 1Reading it sounds great until you know you and you've tried it. So that is my answer. Sure, it could be that. I don't think you need to worry about a MIG. A MIG is easy peasy. I think you can do a MIG for a pretty 2, long time. I would feel perfectly comfortable with that when I go back on which I will, I'll probably do about 2.
41:23Speaker 0That is my answer on that, dude. So yeah, I got you. Like, what's up with the dosage drains all over the place. Yeah. They're everywhere.
41:31Speaker 0Here's the thing. Here's what's up with it. Like sleep was so new that like all this new research and we're realizing, Hey, this works. And so they're bound to do research on, well, if some works, does a lot work better? What does this work better? At what point does it start to like kill us, you know? And
41:49Speaker 0not work as great. But yeah, there are studies and there's data there's, but there's nothing conclusive. It just hasn't been around long enough, so there's no way for us. If
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43:18Speaker 0So that's like, you, you know, like you're saying at 7 50 micrograms to 1 mg, right? It's taking 100
43:28Speaker 0I know girls that have taken that, right? We have some friends, some employees who said, oh, I'll take it. They were like working with their shirt off the guys with their tank top, like I'm sweating like crazy.
43:58Speaker 0You know, it's not a 24 hour last. Right? It's more of like, if food's 6 hours or so, and it's exercise mimetic.
44:11Speaker 0let's pretend we're exercising. It's not exactly the same as exercising folks, but if you could take it 3 times a day and, and break up those 6 hour blocks, the better it'll be. Yeah. So that's my best,
44:22Speaker 0I don't know, guess. She's on top of it too. Like you're on top of your season, I think. Yeah, you're right. But I, but I wouldn't worry about 1 big. Not at all. I wouldn't worry about that at all. Good question. But good question. It seems like, yeah, you're on your stuff. Just keep, you gotta just try it, but I wouldn't worry about that.
44:39Speaker 0Okay. 1st off, I appreciate all the info you guys provide. I'm a 33 year old male, former police officer, current firefighter,
44:46Speaker 0damn husband and father of 3. I'm extremely active in the gym 7 days a week. I know probably over training, but I guess there's worse things to be addicted to currently
45:10Speaker 0Tough. I mean, so 1st of all, I guess what brings out to thank you for your service. And
45:22Speaker 0that mental toll that that takes to just basically be constantly in the fight or flight mode, right? You're in emergency mode at all times.
45:46Speaker 0and you live an active job and you've been doing an active job. So I would run the BPs like high dose, I don't know, maybe 2 Migs of each of them, like 3 days a week and be consistent, see how the body feels. I think that
46:28Speaker 0Tesa Ipamorelin, I think that the 1 thing that you're not, that you're taking tests, I think some increasing your HGH
46:42Speaker 0I don't know. What else am I missing? I thought there was a whole bunch answers. Don't want to give you too much.
46:47Speaker 1Loved where you went with that. I didn't like, I thought you were actually going to go a little bit further when you were talking about the, I thought you were going to go Selank and Semax. That
46:55Speaker 1was great where you were heading. Your head space was good on that answer. I wasn't just how you took that, like he's stressed out. That was just good. Anyways,
47:08Speaker 1That's a great answer. Semax and Selank. Think that would be good. I didn't like pick up on that until you were talking,
47:13Speaker 1but you'd probably, were police officers. You probably said some crazy stuff. I'll tell you a quick story. Like when I was 19, man, my mom just passed. Oh, so like I was already like a residual from that and like I was driving to see my girlfriend and there was a head on right in front of me. If I wasn't, that car was in front of me, would have been me. And it was brutal.
47:44Speaker 1That shook me up to this day. I remember it. It was gnarly. So for you, police officers and firemen, dude, man, my hat was off to you guys seeing that stuff. What you do, I don't think we even talk about it enough, man. We should raise the percentage that we give you off.
47:58Speaker 1Man, because that's just, that can't affect. C Long to C Max, I think that'd be great. Let's try that. So anyways, that was a great answer.
48:08Speaker 1answer. So it was good. So if it's like, take the build muscle or whatnot, I don't know if you were as a pretty vague. Yeah. Don't really know what the point is, but like, Hey, you know, guess is guess is you kind of want to build muscle. Here's the thing. So you're not HGH. We, I don't think either of us will, will, will say at 33, you got some time to take that. He was great with the secretagog.
48:35Speaker 1an SS-thirty 1, or if your pocket boats allows those 2 together are great. Like TB and
48:40Speaker 1BPC, those 2 go together. Try the Selank and the Semax together. So maybe those 2 together, the MOTS-three and the SS-thirty 1, but do a little bit at a time, see what your body responds to. Like, I'm a little bit more of a kamikaze where I just jump in the pool and like try to swim.
49:02Speaker 0building peptide, right? Before you lift with a little bit of carbs, I mean, of those take it, eat a little bit of fast acting carbs.
49:10Speaker 0Before you lift, you'll have giant pumps, which will result in more muscle gains, especially if you can eat protein after. But then, but, but post workout eating protein and some carbs
49:20Speaker 0that will result in really in more muscle gain because you basically just boost the hell out of the nutrient
49:28Speaker 0telling your body and then, or hell, those of you who, who were trying to cut down, but you want to eat a big cheat meal, right? Do some GF-one right before you eat, you know, the pizza
49:43Speaker 0stomach and still ripped up Totally. Because all those nutrients are just going to go to the right places, right? Besides your stomach and not storing fat. All just the carbs is going turn to glycogen, right? Protein's going go right into your muscles. Yeah.
50:10Speaker 1So just take it a night. You'll definitely gain some muscle with that. Yep. For sure. That was a great answer, man. Good job. Was awesome. I liked it. Where we at?
50:32Speaker 1my brother. Oh man, I can feel your pain right now in cervical spine and 2 bulging discs in thoracic spine
51:21Speaker 0So now the nerves hurt, right? Cause those nerves, especially your sciatic nerves, that's my guess is that's what you're talking about.
51:28Speaker 0sciatic nerve doesn't like to be touched. Any little touch man will snap her up. Right? He and I both have had this surgery to alleviate
52:02Speaker 0can help inflammation, maybe help some healing, but it's not going to be your fix. And I think ARA-290I
52:12Speaker 0dole some nerve pain and help with nerve healing. Nerves take forever to heal. Right? I had my back surgery and I dealt with my sciatic pain for year and 0.5 and just did drugs and drank over it. I couldn't feel it. Like alcohol is like the best work better than
52:41Speaker 0I've never so I can't tell you, I just, I can't, I'm not helpful on the mixing of the ARA-two 90.
52:48Speaker 0I've read a bunch on it and I haven't heard that great of things. Nerves are just tough.
52:56Speaker 0heal nerves. I just, I don't know, but the nerve pain is, it's not that your nerves are damaged. It's that something is pushing into those nerves that shouldn't be. So like that's the physical therapy, the like decompression
53:13Speaker 0Very fix the problem. You're 28. And, I'd go fix that quick man, 28. You have an active ass job and I, and life really sucks doing your job 8 right Dude, wonder if he's working, man.
53:24Speaker 1My uncle spoke to you when I 1st had my back surgery, my 1st disc went out at 25. So I was pretty close to your age. And I was in the mortgage industry and I still worked also,
53:43Speaker 1disc that went out when I was an active addiction and heavily addiction. And like Will said, I was just taking a lot of heroin and smoking a bunch of speed and I'm not advocating for that by any means, but my point of that is I let it go and let it go and let it go to the point where it got so bad that
54:01Speaker 1I literally had my girlfriend bring me to the ER 1 day because I couldn't walk and I crawled into the ER and the disc was so compressed
54:10Speaker 1that they shot me upstairs. I didn't even have insurance and they didn't care. They just shot me upstairs and basically rushed me into surgery because it was bad that bad. They thought I was going to have dropped foot and all this stuff.
54:21Speaker 1That's like happened to you because you're not an active drug addict, don't think. But anyways, if you let it go,
54:29Speaker 1to the degree where they don't work. That's what drop foot is. You can lose your bowel like, like,
54:36Speaker 1of your bowels based on-site nerves. It's squished off bad. There is help and it's called surgery.
54:43Speaker 1I know you're going to have all these people in your air don't have surgery. I'm going tell you I've had 5 and
54:48Speaker 1I've tried to wait on some when I wasn't a drug addict and dude on my last 1, I was stupid, dude. I should have just done it. I woke up and was like, but
54:58Speaker 1no more pain. Oh my gosh. And now the TB that you're taking, they're taking high doses,
55:03Speaker 1take it after, take it all the way up like 3 weeks before and then take it after. And then now, like I, I take that now. I should have actually said that I do still take Wolverine because of my back every day. And
55:27Speaker 1which you're probably will be, you're 28, you will have 1, did you heal so quick, bro? You'll be in the gym in 2 weeks, dude.
55:34Speaker 1Out of pain, brother. Get out of pain. No, no peptide is going to help you, dude. Yeah. True.
55:40Speaker 1All right. Taking home. Are taking this home today. All right. So when stopping MK-677
55:45Speaker 1does your normal HGH levels return right away? So in theory, if I stopped taking it on Monday,
56:12Speaker 1his growth plates are still open? Would the theory grow another 0.5 inch in, let's say 4 to 5 months?
56:30Speaker 0will return to normal. I don't know about the next day, Yeah. Like Monday to Wednesday, but yeah, within a week or 2, like, it's gonna
56:46Speaker 0there's not gonna be much let down. It might feel like a let down because they'll go back to normal, but they're not going to go back to worse than normal,
56:59Speaker 0With moderate to low doses, Well, I can say this, that no, it's not been an answer to risk. It's not been a problem for me nor anybody who I've known who's taken moderate
57:15Speaker 0Moderate doses, I'd say max about 30 mg a day. And that's actually maybe considered a higher dose to some people, but, I've never seen any problems at that dose.
57:24Speaker 0Your key here's the thing with the growth plates was so A) no, well, A) don't give any child, I can say this as advice, do not give the child MK-six 77 because you think it's gonna make them grow. I don't think you're serious about this, but,
57:37Speaker 0the thing is about giving someone a kid a growth hormone while his growth plates are still growing, in theory, I mean, it works and that some doctors that is treatment for some people. They do. Really need it. But here's the main risk is
57:53Speaker 0growing faster. Great. But guess what it does? It basically like ages them and then they will shut down faster. Right? So the growth of them
58:02Speaker 0than it actually should have should be. Right? If they're if they're growing, if those growth plates normally grow to 19, you give it to them at 15, 16, they could stop at 17.5,
58:16Speaker 0the the year and 0.5 or so. So that's way too much of a risk. There's no possible way for anybody to say
58:25Speaker 0how much growth they will get in a 4 to 5 month cycle. So that was just an unknown and no,
58:37Speaker 0I he's joking. Yeah. I think he's joking. But for entertainment purposes, like, no, don't do it. And yeah, that is the big risk is the growth plates, may grow a little bit faster at that point in time, but then they stop growing sooner. You might just cause some kid to be shorter than they normally would be.
58:54Speaker 115 year old told him that he read that and was telling dad, it's gonna make me grow, baby. Yeah.
59:00Speaker 1We'll answered it. No, I don't. He already answered it. I don't need to be redundant. In regards to the kid, I will answer the 15 to 16 to 17 year old because it
59:10Speaker 1comes up a lot and rightfully so. And again, you know, I have 2 boys and it's easy to put myself in that place with them. And I'll say it again if you've missed it. Only thing that only peptide I'm going to give them at this point, unless there's something else that comes out, you know, is going to be TB or BPC. I would have no problem at all injecting
59:32Speaker 1age if they injure themselves, but they will. I'm sure, you know, I would imagine they're going to do jiu jitsu in sports and football and stuff. So I will have no problem with that. When it comes to,
59:44Speaker 1even that's on a peptide. I've had people, friends actually ask me with their high school kids
59:50Speaker 1in sports and whatnot. And my answer is, man, they're full of HGH and testosterone, dude.
59:59Speaker 1give them some creatine, have them eat a lot, man. Those dudes are active and burn away. There's not the really fat kids like when they're playing sports, man. So they're full of testosterone and HGH, dude. Let them grow, leave them alone. Let nature do what nature does.
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