Peptide Q&A #33 – Marathon Prep on TRT/HGH, NAD vs NMN, Melanotan Side Effects & Prostate Issues Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-33-marathon-prep-on-trt-hgh-nad-vs-nmn-melanotan-side-effects-prosta/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:00 Speaker 0: Honey, what are you listening to? Mom! 0:03 Speaker 2: Your teen might not share everything with you, but teens share everything with each other. 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So go on, pick up a bottle of All Free Clear for your next laundry day. 1:08 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. 1:11 Speaker 1: I am your host JD Denham. 1:14 Speaker 1: Like always my buddy, 1:16 Speaker 1: my business 1 partner, my friend William T. Haws cross away. What is up, dude? 1:22 Speaker 0: Whoops. Hello. How are doing, man? 1:25 Speaker 0: Shoot. 1:26 Speaker 0: Is good. 4 Full 1:28 Speaker 0: We 1:28 Speaker 1: are in full swing. We will and I, if you missed it, we were able to do well, 1st off we launched our platform a long, 1:37 Speaker 1: it took a lot longer than we expected. And it was a lot of work. Now we do a lot of other stuff. So it took a long time to kind of, we're juggling different things, but man, we dropped it a week ago. It's shot up a lot more than we expected. So we're blessed. A lot of people joined and that was awesome. And yesterday we sat down with 1:55 Speaker 1: the warrior elites. We have a section in there where you can pay and, have some contact with us and ask us direct questions and things like that. So yesterday we sat down and we did a live zoom call, which we had never done. It was kind of different, but it was fine. It's kind of the same. Yeah. What'd you think? It 2:13 Speaker 0: was fine. I mean, it was just kind of an intro. I'm like saying 2:16 Speaker 1: hi and kind of- Which is like the whole thing that it was live. I've never even done that on Yes. Instagram. 2:22 Speaker 0: It was different. I don't really know. We didn't really have much 2:27 Speaker 1: Feedback. 2:28 Speaker 0: Agenda. 2:29 Speaker 0: Yeah. We just want to hit the system. Nobody really knew what was going to take place. And so, 2:34 Speaker 0: but it was fine. Everybody was cool. Mean, people just said, yeah, there are people who are just kind of there to listen. 2:39 Speaker 1: It was a lot of like this where you guys are so rad and so kind on your, you know, everybody, you know, on these questions is always, you know, talking about how they love the podcast and whatnot. So similar to that. It was cool. I mean, it was cool. Yes, absolutely. Everybody, those who, who spoke were just basically just wanted to say thank you. Yeah. Which is awesome, which is, which is helpful. 2:57 Speaker 0: We want to create this. Yes. The whole point of us creating a platform was to 3:02 Speaker 0: try to give back was to just, I don't know. Yeah. Be able to speak freely and 3:07 Speaker 0: give back a lot of the knowledge that we, 3:10 Speaker 1: that we know and that we have. Yeah. We've talked about it countless times, but you know, there's always new listeners. And, so we started with just a little bit of the story, how it all started. And it's a cool story. You know, a lot of people I'm sure had not heard it, but 3:23 Speaker 1: this whole thing, this whole podcast is just so funny because it's just kind of a fluke. It was not planned. We didn't sit down and strategically 3:31 Speaker 1: plan to make a podcast. We just are 2 dudes that love talking about this stuff. And we met at an AA meeting and we 3:40 Speaker 1: would talk about this stuff just like we're talking now. Hey, did you try that? Have you heard of this? 3:45 Speaker 1: You know, and like, would say, I got this new compound. Why don't you try this? And that's what we do. We just try a bunch of stuff and see how we respond to it. So now we just record it. It's just, it's just a rad thing, dude. That in like, right. I have, I mean, I guess me personally, right. I've been doing 4:01 Speaker 0: in the supplement business for 10 years or so, and ended up kind of performance enhancing 4:07 Speaker 1: peptide supplement business. So 0 You wouldn't have GC where you learned a lot because you've, you've known a lot about proteins and stuff, and it's been helpful as we create our own protein. We'll just knows that stuff. Yeah. And tons, I mean, you know, He's the type of guy that when he works there, he's, he reads all of the stuff and learns all of this stuff where most people just work there. And when the people ask, they go, yeah, you should take this. We'll actually knows why you should take it. This is who he is, man. So he studies it. Guess when there was downtime, I just went, all right, let's just read, 4:38 Speaker 0: just find 1 ingredient 4:40 Speaker 0: and just read 4:41 Speaker 0: read about that for a long time. 4:44 Speaker 0: And then go to the next 1 for a while. Yeah. They learn, but like that. You know, and then just working with so many people and 4:53 Speaker 0: answering so many questions and seeing 4:56 Speaker 0: in myself, right? But like, yeah, seeing all the possible potential feedback every single compound and what do people, different people's experiences are, 5:04 Speaker 0: yes, has been 5:05 Speaker 0: illuminating. There's, there's a whole, I mean, what, what the main takeaway is, right? You can read something on paper, right? You can have a profile of some compound and yeah, cool. That might do, you're going to exhibit, you're going to see a lot of that, but man, different people have different reactions to everything. Well, I think what's important, almost the most important thing here, it doesn't matter if it's a doctor, it doesn't matter if it's 5:28 Speaker 1: somebody that you trust that's selling different compounds or whatever, anybody that you trust. 5:34 Speaker 1: If there's somebody saying this is, this is it, this is how it works. And there's no other way. That's the wrong person because we are constantly 5:42 Speaker 1: keeping our minds open and relearning and continuing to grow and 5:46 Speaker 1: coming in more contact with other people and myself. As I read through these questions, there's a lot of stuff that I'm going to respond to that I've 5:53 Speaker 1: learned just by taking all these supplements and having, I'm going to give you like my 5:58 Speaker 1: true 5:59 Speaker 1: feelings about what's worked. How do I know? Cause I've done it. How do I know? Cause I've done it, you know? So, but I will tell you, I do not know everything nor does will we don't even pretend to, 6:09 Speaker 1: we just keep learning and we commit when, if you look at some of the podcasts in the beginning, we've grown since then, just our water, used to think we should put it in the refrigerator. That's what we read at the time. That was a steady dancer, 6:21 Speaker 1: but as we've grown and things have changed, we've changed it. That's called-12s. 6:26 Speaker 0: Has been a lot of peptides that have come out since then that 6:29 Speaker 0: now, 6:30 Speaker 0: and those new ones are basically are the ones that are requiring non cold water. So frankly, even though we 6:36 Speaker 0: did read and study and try at that point in time, there wasn't anything out there that- Saying otherwise. That was conflicting. 6:44 Speaker 0: But 6:45 Speaker 0: since then, because there's new, because there's so much more R and D going on for all of these guys because they're realizing they were working and working and working. So, 6:53 Speaker 0: yeah, new, 6:56 Speaker 1: new things appear and we need to adjust, but yeah, we don't know everything. 0 We'll continue to do this stuff though. Probably until we die, man. Cause we are so intrigued. I love it. I have enjoyed all of our own, just even our conversations. I walk away always more educated. 7:10 Speaker 1: The conversations that we have with the doctors and the nurses and the people that we've had on and man, we plan on having a lot more because we enjoy it. We learn so much and I hope you all enjoy it as well. I know a lot of the feedback is you've enjoyed having us having guests on, so we're going to do it either way because we enjoy it and 7:30 Speaker 1: we're going to give you the best content. So it was fun. If you have not joined the Warrior Maker platform, 7:35 Speaker 1: we will leave some links and let you join it. It's been rad, man. You have people that are posting their wins. They're posting, 7:44 Speaker 1: you know, where their journey started. There's people losing a lot of weight out there. There's people that have been overweight and getting ripped. 7:51 Speaker 1: I love success stories. I love seeing that. It's been an absolute blessing. 7:56 Speaker 1: There's always some, for lack of a better way to say it, pricks on there that are gonna be negative. We're gonna boot them off. We are all about positivity here. We're not bringing negative and you're not going to talk bad on anybody. That's not going to happen on our site. So anyways, we're blessed. We're stoked. Everything's going good. Let's jump in. This is a Q and A episode 8:15 Speaker 1: of our favorites. And these are good questions, man. I enjoyed them. So we'll do the honors. I will start. As always. 8:21 Speaker 0: And 8:22 Speaker 0: I was just told what page 1 is, and so I get to page 1. 8:26 Speaker 0: Alright. 8:28 Speaker 0: I am looking for your opinion on how to optimize my health. 49 years old, total test is $7.40, 8:35 Speaker 0: free test is 11. I 8:38 Speaker 0: started on TRT 12 weeks ago, a 0.3, 8:43 Speaker 0: blood drawn today to see if it has helped. 8:46 Speaker 0: I've taken tirzepatide for about a year now, stayed on 3 mils a week, had good results. Body fat is 13%. I have an order of peptides coming that includes Retta, Clo, and HGH. 8:57 Speaker 0: I really feel good right now. I'm only really starting the CLO for prevention. 9:02 Speaker 0: I have a wild idea to run 0.5 marathon in June. 9:06 Speaker 0: I've never taken, I've never taken HGH. Your advice would be appreciated on that. With Tesamorelin be helpful. I have done Ipam, CJC 12 95 a few times. I've liked it other than it seems to affect my wind. 9:18 Speaker 0: Any other advice 9:19 Speaker 0: that you have? 9:22 Speaker 0: Well, okay. So let's see. Good for you. 9:26 Speaker 0: Marathon is gonna be a hard thing. 9:28 Speaker 0: Too much of anything. So so I would be careful about like, hey, too much testosterone 9:34 Speaker 0: is going to affect your cardiovascular system. Right? Well, hell, you'll just gain a little you might just gain too much weight and then, you know, you'll slow down everywhere. I think, and also the same for the HGH. 9:45 Speaker 0: I 9:46 Speaker 0: would almost frankly, if you want to really optimize 9:49 Speaker 0: this marathon, I would probably stay at the HGH at like 1 IU a day. 9:55 Speaker 0: But, and really all you really need is 1, 1 to 2, 1 to 3, maybe I use, but as you're preparing, but it sure is going to help your body recover. Cause you need to train for these things. It's not like, well, hopefully you're not just waking up and going, well, 10:09 Speaker 0: 6 months I got to run this marathon and then waking up that morning and just running it. You should be training before this. What's your marathon? 26 and 10:16 Speaker 0: 0.5 miles or something like that. So 10:19 Speaker 0: your body's going to need that recovery. Right? And I'm definitely not saying stop the testosterone, but I think your test is probably at a good, good level for that. I think I would do HGH and 1 IU, 10:30 Speaker 0: the CLO absolutely for helping for anti inflammation and 10:35 Speaker 0: anti inflammation and healing, etcetera. 10:37 Speaker 0: Be careful on the like Tirzep. Are you switching from Tirz to Retta? 10:42 Speaker 0: Good. I think you should because Retta is going to allow you to eat some more food, which your body's going to need. 10:48 Speaker 0: Just 10:49 Speaker 0: don't go overboard. Right? You don't want to be way too lean. You want to have a little bit of energy stored up and you don't want to, you need some glycogen stored in your muscles before that race 11:00 Speaker 0: and be happy eating some carbs right before and liquid carbs during. 11:07 Speaker 0: Smell like God, man. Like, yeah, dude. 11:09 Speaker 1: Think, I think the 1st thing that jumped out at me is the most important thing here is I feel good right now. Yeah. I mean, there, there, there you go. You're done. You're good. You feel great. So we don't need to do much more. I mean, the test is a little low. I mean, 07:40, you know, 07:40 you can get by with eleven's low though. Eleven's on for example. So that would be something that I would want to work on. You know, I like mine to be around 45 again. That's not you, 11:37 Speaker 1: that's not anybody that's me, you know, cause I played with those levels, but 11 is low regardless guaranteed. 11:43 Speaker 1: And that's going to give you some energy and sex drive. That's that's where that stuff is affected. 11:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the HGH section, 11:52 Speaker 1: that's going to be great for recovery. I think anybody 40 should be running 1 or 2. I think HGH and TRT are just lifelines for dudes 40, 12:02 Speaker 1: especially dudes, guys that are going to be active and continue to be active. 12:06 Speaker 1: So I would throw that in, you know, you're 12:10 Speaker 1: going to probably feel tired at 1st. So, you know, that's kind of what kind of comes along with it. Don't think it's not working. It is working. 12:18 Speaker 1: So I remember when I 1st started, I was really tired and my fingers were tingling. Remember that road? I was like, dude, man. And, 12:25 Speaker 1: but that's part of it and it'll run its course. 12:28 Speaker 1: So just know that, I think it's great, but, yeah, I would work on your 11. That's low. My brother 12:34 Speaker 1: add in some HGH. You might want to throw in some SLU-PP-three 32 because that's going to help with stamina. You can also do a- Cartering. Cartering, 12:43 Speaker 1: which could help too. Cartering's great. I think that it gives me energy. 13:02 Speaker 1: Quite a bit with that. But again, it can be key as you feel good when you feel good. 13:08 Speaker 1: You know, you're kind of sitting on where you should be. So your body do the, do the thinking really. 13:14 Speaker 0: You feel good, great talks, don't know, you know, to increase your, your, your 13:18 Speaker 0: free test, 13:20 Speaker 0: you could try taking provyrin. I don't know if you're willing to do that. It's not, that's very, very, very low side effect profile, but that, that, 13:29 Speaker 0: decreases your SHBG, your sex hormone binding globulin, which essentially like attaches to your androgen receptors and then not much more androgen can stick on there, right? Like your testosterone. So we take Provirin and that essentially strips that off. And now you have a brand new 13:46 Speaker 0: version androgen receptor that can receive everything that you're giving it. But 13:53 Speaker 0: yeah, everything else, 13:54 Speaker 0: same thing. 13:56 Speaker 1: All 13:57 Speaker 1: right. What's up guys? Love the new podcast room. 14:01 Speaker 1: I'm back with another questions. I have been on NAD for at least a year and since I've been on it, I love it. I do cycle off from time to time and notice the difference for sure. My 14:13 Speaker 1: But my question, and I haven't really heard you guys talk about is NR and NNM 14:19 Speaker 1: supplement 14:20 Speaker 1: to help boost the NAD levels. 14:23 Speaker 1: I understand NR and 14:25 Speaker 1: NNN produce NAD, 14:27 Speaker 1: but is necessary to take while taking NAD or 14:31 Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on this? Also started on a new stack, Semax, 14:36 Speaker 1: C Link, these are great together, AOD 14:39 Speaker 1: HGH, 14:40 Speaker 1: great 14:41 Speaker 1: IGF-1MQ 14:43 Speaker 1: pre workout CJC- 14:46 Speaker 1: DAC and 14:47 Speaker 1: GHK- CU at night. 14:50 Speaker 1: I also used AA water for AOD and holy crap, it stung. 14:55 Speaker 1: I mean like fire ants. Switched to backwater and it hasn't gelled up, 15:00 Speaker 1: yet it isn't cloudy, but doesn't sting either. So fingers crossed to say 15:05 Speaker 1: that way. 15:06 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work and JD, happy to hear that your little guy is doing well and it wasn't something more serious. I couldn't imagine as I'm a proud dad myself of a 9 year old. Awesome. God bless. Keep on moving. Love it. Thank you. That is awesome. 15:21 Speaker 0: Yeah, 15:22 Speaker 0: sure. So, so we have not really talked about NMN and I'm not going to say the whole words, what that acronym stands for, because they're really long words. Because 15:32 Speaker 0: it's that, that stuff is more for somebody who's just not willing to do the NAD plus injections. 15:38 Speaker 0: That's basically it. So those are the pre, that's a precursor to NAD. So theoretically, 15:44 Speaker 0: if your body can 15:45 Speaker 0: convert that, so you give it more building materials and then your body will naturally convert that to NAD plus, right? But if you are willing to inject NAD plus, then that's just the better option. So 15:58 Speaker 0: we haven't really spoke about that because we have- We like NAD- Just like, 16:02 Speaker 0: because just doing the NAD plus is better. 16:05 Speaker 1: Question, yeah, it's great. So the question, did I cut you off? Sorry. Yes, but- No, sorry. I 16:11 Speaker 0: was done talking about that specifically. I got more later. So 16:15 Speaker 0: the stack you're taking great, right? Like basically it was some performance and recovery and brain focus. I hope you liking the Selank and Semax. 16:25 Speaker 0: That all sounds great. I would maybe like, I don't know, maybe not add anything more in there. It looks like you have like all of the bases covered that 16:33 Speaker 0: you won't ever want peptides to do to you. 16:37 Speaker 0: Then the AOD. 16:38 Speaker 0: So you are mixing it with acetic acid, right? The word acid, yes, it's going to burn. 16:45 Speaker 0: And that is just a, 16:48 Speaker 0: just comes with the territory. Now, if you can mix backwater in there and it stays and it doesn't gel up, awesome. Do that. Here's the thing though. Usually, doesn't it's not like you put backwater in AOD and then it just gels 17:02 Speaker 0: immediately. Right? It's it's going to just gel faster. 17:06 Speaker 0: So, and my suggestion to everybody who's doing AOD, 17:10 Speaker 0: you shouldn't if you're going to mix it, you need to use it and use it religiously like now. Like that bottle can't sit even in even in AA water. 17:20 Speaker 0: I personally like to get the AA water that has glycerol in it, which helps not like 17:27 Speaker 0: dull 17:27 Speaker 0: that sting from the acetic acid. Yeah. And I know where to get some of that stuff. 17:35 Speaker 0: Wink. 17:36 Speaker 0: So, 17:38 Speaker 0: yeah, yeah, that's 1, but hell, do it. If you can mix back water and just use that fast before it starts to gel out, power to you. And then if it starts to gel up, even like, don't 17:47 Speaker 0: inject the gel, but like, it was me. Leave it out. Yeah. I'm still if it's gelled up at the bottom and I've done this plenty of time, still gonna ride the I'm still gonna use the liquid that's in there. Hell yeah. 17:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's all you. I've 18:00 Speaker 1: done it so many times. I, I've used backwater even to this day. Like, you know, sometimes that's what I have and that's what I use. So I don't mind it. And I've never really had the sting, but from the acetate water, but like I said, each his own. 18:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Will kind of answered it. It's basically like a growth hormone and a secretagogue. 18:19 Speaker 1: So you got the NMN 18:21 Speaker 1: that goes to NR that goes to NAD, right? They're precursors that for the NAD. So if you just inject NAD, you're going to get NAD directly. So that's going to be the best. Do you need those 2 18:34 Speaker 1: to enhance it? No, I don't think so. 18:36 Speaker 0: Can it? Sure. 18:38 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe. Enough to where you would really like 18:44 Speaker 1: feel anything? I don't think so. The 1 thing that I've read is that it'll kind of keep the NAD working a little bit longer. So if you want to try that, sure. 18:53 Speaker 1: I mean, I inject NAD daily, I don't have that problem, I don't need to do that. I take NAD generally for the most part, 19:00 Speaker 1: 5 to 6 days a week, right around 2. So I don't need to take those because I take it every day. But that's the answer on that. In regards to your stack, you're doing great. AOD by far is 1 of my favorites. I have downshifted on almost all peptides 19:16 Speaker 1: and NAD is 1 of the ones that I've kept because I love it. So that is standing in my repertoire. 19:22 Speaker 1: It's great. So thank 19:24 Speaker 1: you for talking about my little guy. It was a really funny, scary night, for sure. 1 of the scariest nights I've had with that little guy, for sure. 19:33 Speaker 1: But man, they are resilient. Aren't they? He woke up the next day and it was like, it never happened. 19:38 Speaker 1: Blown away. I was scared to death at 3 in the morning. I walked in and see my kid lifeless and I was like, please God. And then, you know, 12 hours later, he's running around kicking a ball. 19:49 Speaker 1: Thanks dude. 19:50 Speaker 0: So appreciate you, man. Go ahead. All right. That's it. That's it. Good. Next 1. Ready? Want me to move on? Okay. So what is your opinion on Melanotan? 20:00 Speaker 0: What benefits does it have besides being tan? I'm 43 year old female and tan easily, but would prefer to stay out of the sun. All right. So 1st of all, 20:11 Speaker 0: there's a difference between Melanotan 20:13 Speaker 0: 1 and Melanotan II. 20:17 Speaker 0: Melanotan II is probably the more popular. It was it was just, I guess, more widely available earlier than 1. It's usually a little bit cheaper, 20:27 Speaker 0: But this is the 1 LL-102 is kinda is gonna work a lot faster. 20:32 Speaker 0: It 20:32 Speaker 0: you should be doing it, you know, almost every day to start off, right, every other day. So you need to do it more frequently. It's gonna work faster. Unfortunately, both of these things, like, they only work if you're in the sun. 20:43 Speaker 0: So if you don't wanna stay out of set, but here's the thing, like you'll, you can spend less time in the sun because you'll get tan a whole bunch faster. So there's that. Now Melanotan 20:52 Speaker 0: II 20:53 Speaker 0: going to give you way worse nausea. 20:55 Speaker 0: Like, I personally, if I take that and If 21:03 Speaker 3: your child has moderate to severe eczema that's not well controlled with prescription topicals, Their itchy skin can feel uncomfortable when playing with others. DUPIXENT, 21:13 Speaker 3: dupilumab, 21:14 Speaker 3: helps kids as young as 6 months stay ahead of their eczema. Pad king, padd king, baker's hand, bake me. So they can have clearer skin and noticeably less itch. DUPIXENT helps them heal their skin from within, and it's not a cream, steroid, or immunosuppressant. 21:29 Speaker 3: Severe allergic reactions, including skin reactions, can occur. 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So anyway, I suggest if you decide to do an MTN 2, I would do the injection at night, right before you go to sleep before a day that you know you're going to hit the sun. 22:28 Speaker 0: You just sleep off the nausea and it's fine. 22:31 Speaker 0: So, but MTN2 22:33 Speaker 0: is going to give you freckles. Like you're going to start, I would just say like really bad black dots everywhere. Right? 22:39 Speaker 0: Melanotan 22:39 Speaker 0: 1 will not do that. MTN2 is going to increase your libido. Like it's going to, just like BT. Yeah. Just like because 22:47 Speaker 0: they, that amino acid chain, 22:50 Speaker 0: they're, they share both those peptides kind of share the same chain. So 22:55 Speaker 0: it's absolutely going to affect your libido 22:58 Speaker 0: work faster, 23:00 Speaker 0: more nausea. 23:01 Speaker 0: It's like it'll work better, but more side effects. All right. Then is the Montel-1T. 23:07 Speaker 0: So less nausea. 23:08 Speaker 0: You can get it twice a week or so. Can do it and 23:13 Speaker 0: doesn't have the things that I said, but still will get you tan just as well. 23:18 Speaker 0: And they 23:19 Speaker 0: so let's see what else. That's about it now. Also, if you don't wanna do the injectable, there is nasal sprays. 23:25 Speaker 0: Okay? 23:26 Speaker 0: They work awesome. 23:29 Speaker 0: Okay? You're not getting as much as you do in the injectable unless you do like 10 sprays. Yeah. So 23:34 Speaker 0: there's a little bit less chance of nausea 23:37 Speaker 0: and they really work. You just need you do need to get sun. It's kind of enhancing the melanin in your skin. Actually will like protect you from getting burnt too, 23:44 Speaker 0: which is cool. So just makes your skin tan a lot easier and not get so burnt. 23:51 Speaker 0: That's a great answer. 23:55 Speaker 1: That's kind of a mic drop. Like Will knows a lot about that. I mean, so, but again, like it's funny because 24:01 Speaker 1: you, you only can go off your experience. My experience with Melanotan is that I have taken it and not gone in the sun and I still get tan. So that would be the only 1 I would say that where I would differ because 24:13 Speaker 1: I have gotten tan to where people go, you're red. 24:18 Speaker 1: But it's funny. There's funny where there's 24:21 Speaker 1: people that we know that take it and then they, they come by and I'll be like, you taking a little bit, you taking Melanotan and they're like, yeah, I love that stuff. Think you should stop a little bit. Trying to be nice. You 24:33 Speaker 1: look purple. You're a pumpkin. 24:37 Speaker 0: Yeah. 24:38 Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. So just be easy. How do you tell somebody to stop? Don't do it. 24:42 Speaker 0: Jumpy board. The other thing is like, builds up in your system. So even though I said like, Hey, Montan, you should maybe start off daily. Like you don't need to do it. You'll feel You basically just know it. Like be a good judge in the mirror, right? You will get to be able to just back off the dose even more and more, and it just has compounded. It's in your system and working. It does. Should do 25:02 Speaker 1: once week or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I I've taken both. I've tried, I like Melanotan-one. 25:07 Speaker 1: You can take it like Monday, Friday, and it works really quick. I think it works really quick. Melanotan-two. 25:12 Speaker 1: I 25:14 Speaker 1: got those black 25:16 Speaker 1: dots. So I was like, dude, abort. 25:19 Speaker 1: So take it sparingly. It works really well. It's so funny though, Will, like that 25:24 Speaker 1: you say you get that nausea because it's just, I don't. Then a little bit- 25:29 Speaker 1: and say with PT, some people are like, I can't take it because I get so nauseous. And I like right away, I'm like, and then I'm like, fine. But some people don't, they're like, man, I can't take it because I'm so nauseous. Get it. Everybody's different. Way different feeling. So the PT-one hundred 41, it's not, I don't get that nauseous, 25:45 Speaker 0: but I just get uncomfortable feeling, You know, just like, ugh, just like need to, like it's like you took way too much pre workout, and then now you just have to, like, sit there in, like, a warm room. Tingly. You know, it's not even the tingly. It's just the internal feeling. Right? Or you just do a whoosh cocaine and then it's an hour later and it's all done. Then you're like- Don't remind me horrible. Worst coming to life is cocaine. Yes. Worst. So, 26:11 Speaker 0: but you're really horny. And I think you almost made me feel you just like, I kind of feel like shit, like the only thing, same thing, the only thing that'll make me feel good. 26:20 Speaker 1: Let's go, baby. But 26:22 Speaker 0: it does work. But I don't get the nausea from PT-one hundred 41. I get it. I get the just bad feeling. Everybody's 26:28 Speaker 0: different, bro. Everybody's different. 26:30 Speaker 1: Story of our lives, baby. All right. So, 26:33 Speaker 1: hey, JD and Will, love the podcast. I'm a big fan of the message you guys put out. I'm a 40 year old male and had a question about TRT. 26:41 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, I started my peptide journey with Tirzepatide 26:46 Speaker 1: at 3 85, 26:48 Speaker 1: now I'm down to 190. 26:52 Speaker 1: That's great, brother. 26:54 Speaker 1: That is a lot of weight. Good for you, man. That is no easy feat. Train cardio and weights 5 to 6 days a week and follow a solid meal plan. Good for you, dude. My current stack, CJC-twelve 27:06 Speaker 1: 95, Ipamorelin, 27:08 Speaker 1: MOTS- C, Cmax, Clo, and VIP daily 27:13 Speaker 1: with Tirzepatide 27:14 Speaker 1: and Retrutide microdose 27:16 Speaker 1: over 27:17 Speaker 1: 3 days 27:18 Speaker 1: each week. I recently had labs done and everything looked good. My total testosterone was 5 71 and free testosterone was 27:28 Speaker 1: 86. Well, it's high. 27:30 Speaker 1: I talked with my wife about possibly starting TRT. She's a healthcare provider in 27:35 Speaker 1: emergency setting, is convinced it makes sense based on convinced 27:40 Speaker 1: it makes sense based on my labs. I have no issue with sex drive and honestly, I feel better than I ever have. I'm curious what you guys think about starting TRT or even HGH in a situation like mine. My overall goal is to just stay healthy, enjoy life long term. Thanks again for the content. 27:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what we all want. You want to take that 1 1st? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Again, 28:04 Speaker 1: where is it? 28:07 Speaker 1: I've honestly never felt better than I have now. 28:11 Speaker 1: Stop. There you go. You feel great. Now, 28:14 Speaker 1: levels are subjective. 28:17 Speaker 1: Levels to me wouldn't be where I would want to be. I mean, 28:21 Speaker 1: total test is $5.71 and free test is 86. 28:25 Speaker 0: That's definitely 28:26 Speaker 0: different. 28:27 Speaker 1: That 86 is high, but hey, you feel great, but you probably feel good because your 86 is high. 28:32 Speaker 1: And that's where you get energy and sex drive and stuff, but that's great. 28:36 Speaker 1: I think that you're doing good, man. I don't think that you need to take it unless you, you know, you need it. If you feel great, 28:44 Speaker 1: then there will be a day you might not feel great and you take it. You know, we're big advocates for TRT, dude. 28:51 Speaker 1: So, you know, but if it's not, if you feel good, then there you go, man. I think that's it. Now HGH is a different story. You are over 40. There you go. I think, yeah, in the HGH, I love it. I think you should. 29:04 Speaker 1: 1 or 2. That's it. If anybody tells you more, don't listen to them. 1 or 2. I started off on 1. Will tell you 1 IU for so long. I didn't want to overdo it. And dude, I'm telling you, it did wonders. I, at about 6 months, right at that mark, dude, I know it was helping me burn fat like crazy. I noticed it. 29:23 Speaker 1: Start there maybe, you know, and then if you want to go up to 2, up to 2, but I think you should try that. 29:29 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's my answer. Brother, I think you, you can get to the TRT. I think you eventually 1 will get to the TRT, but right now I'm going to advise you to just chill. Feel good. Yeah. Would agree. Stay off it as long as you can. If 29:42 Speaker 0: you feel awesome, you know, the, the, 29:45 Speaker 0: the 86, 29:47 Speaker 0: if that is an anagrams per deciliter, that's probably why you feel awesome. 29:51 Speaker 0: 5 71 may sound like suboptimal. 29:55 Speaker 0: It's not bad, but 29:57 Speaker 0: that's not really what matters here. It's that say it's that free number. And so, yeah, I wouldn't, doesn't sound like you need it. Don't do it until you start to need it and then it will really work. Take it now. 30:08 Speaker 0: You don't, you won't have it. It won't just work as good when you really do need it. Same. I concur with the HGH as well. 30:17 Speaker 1: Everything you said. For those who haven't heard this, because we've said it a lot, but again, like I said, there's always new listeners. Easiest way to explain 30:23 Speaker 1: a total and free, I'll just simplify it as much as I can. Total T how much money you have in your bank account? Free T how much money you have in your wallet that you could spend right then and there. So your energy level, 30:35 Speaker 1: sex drive, it's based upon this right there. And that's why you feel great, dude. You can spend a lot of money. 30:40 Speaker 1: So 30:41 Speaker 1: stay, 30:42 Speaker 1: stick. 30:44 Speaker 1: You will probably be on TRT in the next few years. So run it, man. Stay good. Who's up? You? Thank you. I think so. All right. Hi guys. I really appreciate both 30:54 Speaker 0: your knowledge in this space of peptides and taking the time to answer questions. I've been diagnosed with prostate hyperplasia, 31:00 Speaker 0: which has caused the following symptoms: slow stream, 31:03 Speaker 0: but still emptying, lack of libido. I'm wondering what peptides you would recommend to help alleviate symptoms. 31:09 Speaker 0: I researched the following and would like your thoughts on the Esthymosin Alpha, KPV. 31:14 Speaker 0: I also need your thoughts on my testosterone blood panning. Total is 3 20 nanograms per deciliter and free is 6.82 31:21 Speaker 0: nanograms per deciliter. 31:25 Speaker 0: On possible TRT and what I could do to improve this? Love both 31:29 Speaker 0: your information. It's greatly appreciated. 31:32 Speaker 1: Thanks. From Oz. They love us out in Oz. Yeah, they do. Dude, there are lot of listeners out in Australia. I love it. Good stuff. You want me to run or you want to take I guess I'll take a stab. So I 31:44 Speaker 0: guess I'm not exactly sure what the cause of the prostate 31:48 Speaker 0: hyperplasia. 31:51 Speaker 0: Do know those symptoms though. I have had those symptoms and I'll tell you the it's 31:59 Speaker 0: tough. I mean, you know, if it's some type of 32:03 Speaker 0: I mean, KPV, so basically the Thymosin you've done some research, right? So Thymosin Alpha and KPV, 32:08 Speaker 0: why those have been recommended is just to reduce inflammation. Yeah. Okay. 32:13 Speaker 0: And 32:14 Speaker 0: if that is the problem, I mean, that's always the problem. If the prostate is swollen, hence is in swelling is inflammation, 32:20 Speaker 0: And so those might help. I know that 32:24 Speaker 0: like 32:25 Speaker 0: finasteride, 32:26 Speaker 0: dutasteride will 32:28 Speaker 0: help 100 That 32:30 Speaker 0: will trigger down. 32:32 Speaker 0: The side effects from those aren't great is also loss of libido, 32:37 Speaker 0: unless in the end, although I have done that. 32:40 Speaker 0: I've taken 1 or 2 pills in a day, a day, like 2 days in a row, 1 pill, 1 pill, And that has been enough to shrink it back down and I'm good. Really? 32:50 Speaker 0: I haven't, I You feel like the flow, like opens right up? Yep. Interesting. Like within 5 hours. Wow. Yeah. Like middle of the night to the morning, 32:58 Speaker 0: like woken up in the middle of the night. I've ran Primo. Primo does that like bad and maybe for me. Right. And I could, I could definitely feel it. So I know all the symptoms and I've taken like Finasteride literally in the middle of night and I woke up in the morning and like emptied my full bladder. Yeah. Those symptoms though have not 33:16 Speaker 0: messed with my sex drive. I have a feeling that's something else. 33:20 Speaker 0: Okay. Just that could be due to your 300 test score. 33:25 Speaker 0: 3 20 nanograms per test That's liter, 33:28 Speaker 0: probably what's causing the no sex drive. 33:31 Speaker 0: Some other things that will help with inflammation, 33:33 Speaker 0: BPC-0s): Hell yeah. TB, 33:36 Speaker 0: C. Allison Viagra actually is known to like help out with the flow issue. It'll 33:42 Speaker 0: probably help out with the sex drive issue too. I know that doesn't give you a, 33:46 Speaker 0: doesn't give you a sex drive, but like when you start helping, you start getting it. 33:51 Speaker 0: So my hands start coming into your mind and you go, okay. 33:55 Speaker 0: PT-one hundred 41 can help. Hell, oxytocin. 33:58 Speaker 0: There's a no nasal spray called love potions. It's got PT-one hundred 41 oxytocin, 34:03 Speaker 0: Selank, 34:04 Speaker 0: which is to help relax and help calm, right? Like helps with any like performance anxiety. 34:10 Speaker 0: Yeah. Mix of those 3, which is bad ass anyone who's suffering from any type of 34:16 Speaker 0: sexual dysfunction or issue. 34:19 Speaker 0: Then I guess about your TRT, 34:21 Speaker 0: right? Like, yeah, I guess is the question. I think you should be on TRT at 3 20 nanograms per deciliter is your total TRT. 34:28 Speaker 0: Like that's super duper low. I think the reference range for some of these HMOs 34:33 Speaker 0: is something like 34:34 Speaker 0: 2 or 300 to 1,100. 34:37 Speaker 0: So 34:38 Speaker 0: they will not prescribe if you're not below 2 or 300, but man, being at and that's crazy. Dear God. Yeah. 34:45 Speaker 0: You probably, 34:46 Speaker 0: right, haven't had an erection for a while, not in the morning, and and you're probably not happy. So 34:51 Speaker 0: I would, if it's me, hell yes, I would start, I would start a TRT. 34:55 Speaker 1: 0 Yeah. Great answer. You stole my answer. I'm not even needed. I'm leaving. 35:01 Speaker 1: You did. Cialis is what I was gonna say. It's great. Cialis, I take, I mean, I'm not religious about it. That's the 1 where I kind of slack, but I try to take 5 mg a day. It's great for just blood flow. It's great for pumps in the gym. It's great for just keeping blood flow. 35:16 Speaker 1: Old dudes like me don't think that you said your name. It's great. It works really well. It does kind of keep you ready in the position. I'm not, I don't have a problem in it, but like it does just help, you know, and it does work with sex drive I have found. 35:28 Speaker 1: So 35:30 Speaker 1: don't want to take too much because Will crushed it on that and took my answer. 35:34 Speaker 1: I will be back on his yes, please. The love of God, get on testosterone brother. I always just think logically, 35:41 Speaker 1: God did not create men to live at 300 testosterone, 35:44 Speaker 1: man. That's what makes us men. That's what makes us men. So 35:49 Speaker 1: there's no right or wrong answer where you need to be. You need to be where you feel good, but the reason you don't have sex drive dude is because you don't have testosterone, 35:58 Speaker 1: brother. So let's get you some testosterone in you. You will feel like a new man in 3 weeks. I have arrived. 36:07 Speaker 1: You out in Australia, brother, you will feel like you have arrived. I'm sure you surf and all that stuff. You'll be like just running circles around those young guys again. You'll feel like you're 31, dude. So jump on that stuff. We already took it. BPC-1MQ 36:22 Speaker 1: it's going to help with that stuff. And the Cialis, I think he already answered it. That should help. So good stuff. 36:29 Speaker 0: I'm up. You're up on the big long paragraph. Yeah. Hi guys. 36:33 Speaker 1: Thank you both for putting out such great, thorough information for answering our questions. It makes such a difference. 36:39 Speaker 1: This week's questions, you've been here. 36:42 Speaker 1: What is up with the SLU-PP-three 36:45 Speaker 1: 33 doses being all over the place? I know there are some thoughts that it can be taken massive doses, 36:52 Speaker 1: but others suggest 36:53 Speaker 1: staying within a 25 microgram to 1 mg a day dose. I've done several cycles of it 37:01 Speaker 1: all orally. 37:02 Speaker 1: I usually stack it with AOD, Tesa, and Reta. It's a great stack 37:06 Speaker 1: for body comp. 37:07 Speaker 1: At 7 50 micrograms to 1 mg, I don't notice anything adverse, 37:13 Speaker 1: but as mentioned, it has always been part of my stack. 37:18 Speaker 1: What are your current 37:20 Speaker 1: recommendations 37:21 Speaker 1: for dosing and cycling it? 37:26 Speaker 1: At more than 1 mg a day, SLU-3P gets pretty expensive. 37:30 Speaker 1: So budget needs to come and play. For reference, 37:33 Speaker 1: I'm 56 37:34 Speaker 1: year old woman on hormone replacement. I didn't catch that when I read that 1st woman. Okay. Hormone replacement 37:40 Speaker 1: therapy, 37:41 Speaker 1: estradiol patch, oral progesterone, and testosterone sipponates sub Q. Go girl. I'm fit and active 37:48 Speaker 1: teach, spin, hike, play tennis, and of course lift heavy weights 5 days a week. What a beast. I love it. Diet, very focused on protein, intermittent fasting, 37:58 Speaker 1: and some carb cycling. This girl knows what's up. Working to lose 2% more body fat, which might not sound like a lot, but it's a tall, tall, 38:08 Speaker 1: tall tale in a long, 38:12 Speaker 1: tail end of a long, hard journey and at my age, everything takes time to work. Does. I feel you. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and insight. Let me jump on this real quick because I got some likes. So 38:24 Speaker 1: again, 38:27 Speaker 1: the best knowledge that we can give you is the 1 we learn ourselves. We have been all over the place with SLU-3. We've learned different things. We've tried different things. 38:35 Speaker 1: We tried and we got, we purchased some, what was the MIGS on that? It was 100 mg 38:42 Speaker 0: per tablet. 38:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I took some. 38:45 Speaker 1: We all took some. So we wanted to try it because we read the same stuff that it should be taken in high doses. We've tried it all. I've taken SLU-4quite a long time. 38:55 Speaker 1: Now, 38:56 Speaker 1: after researching, you guys have probably heard me share this multiple times. I went through stage fairly recently where I was burnt the hell out. I was working a lot of hours, doing a lot of things. I juggle a lot for sure. 39:10 Speaker 1: But the problem is I have a 2 year old man, he just likes to wake up in the middle of the night and scream. 39:15 Speaker 1: And I was getting 39:16 Speaker 1: consistently 39:17 Speaker 1: about 3 hours of sleep. So without a doubt that had a big piece of it. 39:22 Speaker 1: But who I am and how I look at things, always stop, 39:27 Speaker 1: reboot and just kind of think through stuff. And I start thinking kind of like what's affecting this, 39:32 Speaker 1: you know, took out Tesamorelin because I know that could affect sleep. So I just started pulling different things out. And then long story short, I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to downsize 39:41 Speaker 1: everything to the most part and just reboot. 39:44 Speaker 1: And that's what I did. 39:46 Speaker 1: And, 1 stuff that I've read about the SLU-5s, if you take too much and you do higher doses, it can give you that burnt out feeling. Now, was that the SLU-3P that I was taking? Because I was taking about 6 mg a day. Now that would be subjective if that's high or not. I don't know. Probably I would say most would think that would be high, 40:04 Speaker 1: but I loved it and I know that it's a great compound and I did well on it for a while. I thought 40:10 Speaker 1: was that some of the issue could have been right because I've read that, you know, and I've only read that fairly recently. So that's 1 of the reasons I pulled it, you know? 40:19 Speaker 1: So again, I think ultimately it was a 3 hours of sleep because now I've been getting great sleep and dude, I feel like 1000000 bucks, dude. I feel like brain fog's gone. And I've also downsized on everything. Well, I was just telling Will HGH, 40:32 Speaker 1: AOD, 40:33 Speaker 1: TRT. And then after I lift, 40:36 Speaker 1: you know, it's mainly IGF-one, 40:38 Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to say bulking. So I'm gonna do a little bit more TRT than I normally do. So I'm going up on that. 40:45 Speaker 1: But there you go. So that's what I'm trying to do. 40:48 Speaker 1: But again, let's, let's, let me kind of end my part on this. 40:51 Speaker 1: How do we know this stuff? Because you try it all. How did Will and I know so much about TRT and stuff? Cause we have been doing it for a long time and the best knowledge you're going to get is when you try it on you, 41:01 Speaker 1: Reading it sounds great until you know you and you've tried it. So that is my answer. Sure, it could be that. I don't think you need to worry about a MIG. A MIG is easy peasy. I think you can do a MIG for a pretty 2, long time. I would feel perfectly comfortable with that when I go back on which I will, I'll probably do about 2. 41:23 Speaker 0: That is my answer on that, dude. So yeah, I got you. Like, what's up with the dosage drains all over the place. Yeah. They're everywhere. 41:31 Speaker 0: Here's the thing. Here's what's up with it. Like sleep was so new that like all this new research and we're realizing, Hey, this works. And so they're bound to do research on, well, if some works, does a lot work better? What does this work better? At what point does it start to like kill us, you know? And 41:49 Speaker 0: not work as great. But yeah, there are studies and there's data there's, but there's nothing conclusive. It just hasn't been around long enough, so there's no way for us. 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Visit dupixent.com 42:56 Speaker 3: or call 42:57 Speaker 3: 44 42:58 Speaker 0: To answer, 43:00 Speaker 0: to give you like a definitive answer. 43:03 Speaker 0: Like he said, I know a lot of people who have taken the 100 mg tabs. 43:09 Speaker 0: So what that means, just so we're clear, right? That's 100000 43:14 Speaker 0: micrograms. 43:15 Speaker 1: That's 43:16 Speaker 1: a lot. That's, that's a ton. 43:18 Speaker 0: So that's like, you, you know, like you're saying at 7 50 micrograms to 1 mg, right? It's taking 100 43:25 Speaker 0: pills at 1 time. 43:28 Speaker 0: I know girls that have taken that, right? We have some friends, some employees who said, oh, I'll take it. They were like working with their shirt off the guys with their tank top, like I'm sweating like crazy. 43:39 Speaker 0: I'm sure it did a lot to their metabolism, but 43:42 Speaker 0: I don't think it's a good idea to take that much. I do think that as a man, 43:48 Speaker 0: yeah, I'd say probably maybe like 1000 micrograms, 43:51 Speaker 0: 3 times a day. As a woman, 43:54 Speaker 0: maybe 503 43:56 Speaker 0: times a day. Cause we do know that it works. 43:58 Speaker 0: You know, it's not a 24 hour last. Right? It's more of like, if food's 6 hours or so, and it's exercise mimetic. 44:04 Speaker 0: So you, if we wanna really burn calories or, and experience a lot of change, 44:11 Speaker 0: let's pretend we're exercising. It's not exactly the same as exercising folks, but if you could take it 3 times a day and, and break up those 6 hour blocks, the better it'll be. Yeah. So that's my best, 44:22 Speaker 0: I don't know, guess. She's on top of it too. Like you're on top of your season, I think. Yeah, you're right. But I, but I wouldn't worry about 1 big. Not at all. I wouldn't worry about that at all. Good question. But good question. It seems like, yeah, you're on your stuff. Just keep, you gotta just try it, but I wouldn't worry about that. 44:39 Speaker 0: Okay. 1st off, I appreciate all the info you guys provide. I'm a 33 year old male, former police officer, current firefighter, 44:46 Speaker 0: damn husband and father of 3. I'm extremely active in the gym 7 days a week. I know probably over training, but I guess there's worse things to be addicted to currently 44:55 Speaker 0: supplementing with testosterone replacement therapy. 44:58 Speaker 0: The only peptides I have tried is BPC and TB. 45:02 Speaker 0: I'm pretty decent shape and fairly lean, but I want to take it to the next level. 45:07 Speaker 0: You were me, what would you 45:09 Speaker 0: utilize? 45:10 Speaker 0: Tough. I mean, so 1st of all, I guess what brings out to thank you for your service. And 45:16 Speaker 0: 2nd, like you have worked your whole life, 45:19 Speaker 0: very high stress jobs and 45:22 Speaker 0: that mental toll that that takes to just basically be constantly in the fight or flight mode, right? You're in emergency mode at all times. 45:30 Speaker 0: That'll really, really burn out your 45:33 Speaker 0: burnout or out of like neurotransmitters 45:35 Speaker 0: in your adrenal glands. 45:38 Speaker 0: I would, 45:39 Speaker 0: I'd say BPC TV for sure. 45:42 Speaker 0: Cause my guess is your body's beat up 45:44 Speaker 0: because you are overtraining 45:46 Speaker 0: and you live an active job and you've been doing an active job. So I would run the BPs like high dose, I don't know, maybe 2 Migs of each of them, like 3 days a week and be consistent, see how the body feels. I think that 45:59 Speaker 0: even like Dihexa 46:01 Speaker 0: for your brain, 46:02 Speaker 0: Epitalon 46:04 Speaker 0: to help as little reset 46:07 Speaker 0: reset for your whole body. 46:10 Speaker 0: Dihexa, Cerebrolysin, 46:12 Speaker 0: Pinealon may be good, but I really like the Dihexa 46:15 Speaker 0: and even so those are kind of all just internal reset brain and body ones. What 46:23 Speaker 0: I would you know, if you're looking for a physical answer, 46:28 Speaker 0: Tesa Ipamorelin, I think that the 1 thing that you're not, that you're taking tests, I think some increasing your HGH 46:34 Speaker 0: and you're 33. I would go with Tesofipa instead of real exogenous HGH, 46:39 Speaker 0: not quite yet. Too young for it. 46:42 Speaker 0: I don't know. What else am I missing? I thought there was a whole bunch answers. Don't want to give you too much. 46:47 Speaker 1: Loved where you went with that. I didn't like, I thought you were actually going to go a little bit further when you were talking about the, I thought you were going to go Selank and Semax. That 46:55 Speaker 1: was great where you were heading. Your head space was good on that answer. I wasn't just how you took that, like he's stressed out. That was just good. Anyways, 47:04 Speaker 0: see, I like this guy. I'll keep you 47:06 Speaker 0: bro. 47:08 Speaker 1: That's a great answer. Semax and Selank. Think that would be good. I didn't like pick up on that until you were talking, 47:13 Speaker 1: but you'd probably, were police officers. You probably said some crazy stuff. I'll tell you a quick story. Like when I was 19, man, my mom just passed. Oh, so like I was already like a residual from that and like I was driving to see my girlfriend and there was a head on right in front of me. If I wasn't, that car was in front of me, would have been me. And it was brutal. 47:31 Speaker 1: And like I was the 1st dude on this scene and it was gnarly bro, 0.5 decapitated. 47:37 Speaker 1: I was like, 47:39 Speaker 1: shit. I was 19. 47:41 Speaker 1: And my point in saying that is you see that stuff daily. 47:44 Speaker 1: That shook me up to this day. I remember it. It was gnarly. So for you, police officers and firemen, dude, man, my hat was off to you guys seeing that stuff. What you do, I don't think we even talk about it enough, man. We should raise the percentage that we give you off. 47:58 Speaker 1: Man, because that's just, that can't affect. C Long to C Max, I think that'd be great. Let's try that. So anyways, that was a great answer. 48:05 Speaker 1: I think they will just kind of kick ass on that 48:08 Speaker 1: answer. So it was good. So if it's like, take the build muscle or whatnot, I don't know if you were as a pretty vague. Yeah. Don't really know what the point is, but like, Hey, you know, guess is guess is you kind of want to build muscle. Here's the thing. So you're not HGH. We, I don't think either of us will, will, will say at 33, you got some time to take that. He was great with the secretagog. 48:27 Speaker 1: I would say this, try 1 at a time. 48:30 Speaker 1: Like, you know, like you can just see which 1 works, try a MOTS C or 48:35 Speaker 1: an SS-thirty 1, or if your pocket boats allows those 2 together are great. Like TB and 48:40 Speaker 1: BPC, those 2 go together. Try the Selank and the Semax together. So maybe those 2 together, the MOTS-three and the SS-thirty 1, but do a little bit at a time, see what your body responds to. Like, I'm a little bit more of a kamikaze where I just jump in the pool and like try to swim. 48:55 Speaker 1: Don't always be like me, 48:57 Speaker 1: you know, go a little slower. IGF-1LR-three. 49:00 Speaker 0: Think that that's like muscle 49:02 Speaker 0: building peptide, right? Before you lift with a little bit of carbs, I mean, of those take it, eat a little bit of fast acting carbs. 49:10 Speaker 0: Before you lift, you'll have giant pumps, which will result in more muscle gains, especially if you can eat protein after. But then, but, but post workout eating protein and some carbs 49:20 Speaker 0: that will result in really in more muscle gain because you basically just boost the hell out of the nutrient 49:26 Speaker 0: partitioning. 49:27 Speaker 1: So just 49:28 Speaker 0: telling your body and then, or hell, those of you who, who were trying to cut down, but you want to eat a big cheat meal, right? Do some GF-one right before you eat, you know, the pizza 49:38 Speaker 0: and watch what you look like tomorrow morning. You're, you're going to be like flat 49:43 Speaker 0: stomach and still ripped up Totally. Because all those nutrients are just going to go to the right places, right? Besides your stomach and not storing fat. All just the carbs is going turn to glycogen, right? Protein's going go right into your muscles. Yeah. 49:56 Speaker 1: But now I pizza every day because I don't want to work. 49:59 Speaker 1: But 50:00 Speaker 1: you know, 1 thing that like, I'm surprised we both missed MK-677. 50:05 Speaker 1: That'd be perfect for you, dude. If you're looking to gain some weight, 6 50:09 Speaker 1: is like bastard. 50:10 Speaker 1: So just take it a night. You'll definitely gain some muscle with that. Yep. For sure. That was a great answer, man. Good job. Was awesome. I liked it. Where we at? 50:18 Speaker 0: 2nd to last. Hey 50:20 Speaker 1: guys, love of the podcast. You guys are an inspiration for me. I'm 28 50:25 Speaker 1: male firefighter, 50:26 Speaker 1: currently dealing with debilitating 50:28 Speaker 1: back pain. Uh-oh. 50:30 Speaker 1: I have DD and disc herniations, 50:32 Speaker 1: my brother. Oh man, I can feel your pain right now in cervical spine and 2 bulging discs in thoracic spine 50:40 Speaker 1: dealing with bad 50:42 Speaker 1: nerve pain wrapping around my thoracic 50:45 Speaker 1: spine and ribs. 50:47 Speaker 1: I'm currently on Tesareta Wolverine in high doses and nothing helps. 50:51 Speaker 1: I'm curious if you've 50:53 Speaker 1: heard of ARA-two 50:55 Speaker 1: 90 50:56 Speaker 1: 4 nerve pain and if you think it could help. I also see people having trouble 51:00 Speaker 1: reconstituting 51:01 Speaker 1: with backwater and that you need BPS 51:04 Speaker 1: water. Any thoughts? Thank you, guys. You don't want to run that 1? 51:09 Speaker 0: I 51:10 Speaker 0: can't 51:11 Speaker 0: so here's the deal. Your the nerve 51:14 Speaker 0: so the back pain is 51:16 Speaker 0: discs. 51:18 Speaker 0: Discs are herniated out and now they are touching nerves. 51:21 Speaker 0: So now the nerves hurt, right? Cause those nerves, especially your sciatic nerves, that's my guess is that's what you're talking about. 51:27 Speaker 0: Aren't that 51:28 Speaker 0: sciatic nerve doesn't like to be touched. Any little touch man will snap her up. Right? He and I both have had this surgery to alleviate 51:36 Speaker 0: the sciatic nerve. So 51:38 Speaker 0: basically the problem is it's a structural issue, right? The 51:42 Speaker 0: discs are herniated. 51:44 Speaker 0: There are no peptides that will 51:46 Speaker 0: push the disc in, right? 51:48 Speaker 0: There are some that may help 51:51 Speaker 0: inflammation 51:52 Speaker 0: and so maybe something, 51:54 Speaker 0: this being 51:55 Speaker 0: out is causing some other inflammation. That inflammation is what's maybe touching 51:59 Speaker 0: the nerve a little bit more. So like BPC- 52:02 Speaker 0: can help inflammation, maybe help some healing, but it's not going to be your fix. And I think ARA-290I 52:09 Speaker 0: have never used it, but 52:11 Speaker 0: it is to help 52:12 Speaker 0: dole some nerve pain and help with nerve healing. Nerves take forever to heal. Right? I had my back surgery and I dealt with my sciatic pain for year and 0.5 and just did drugs and drank over it. I couldn't feel it. Like alcohol is like the best work better than 52:26 Speaker 0: real painkillers. But, 52:28 Speaker 0: that means I just let it go and get worse. Took about a year and 0.5 for that nerve 52:33 Speaker 0: pain even after the surgery to really 52:37 Speaker 0: not be lighting me up so bad. 52:40 Speaker 0: So that sucks. 52:41 Speaker 0: I've never so I can't tell you, I just, I can't, I'm not helpful on the mixing of the ARA-two 90. 52:48 Speaker 0: I've read a bunch on it and I haven't heard that great of things. Nerves are just tough. 52:53 Speaker 0: It's just really, really, really hard to 52:56 Speaker 0: heal nerves. I just, I don't know, but the nerve pain is, it's not that your nerves are damaged. It's that something is pushing into those nerves that shouldn't be. So like that's the physical therapy, the like decompression 53:09 Speaker 0: and probably surgery 53:11 Speaker 0: is what you need to do. 53:13 Speaker 0: Very fix the problem. You're 28. And, I'd go fix that quick man, 28. You have an active ass job and I, and life really sucks doing your job 8 right Dude, wonder if he's working, man. 53:24 Speaker 1: My uncle spoke to you when I 1st had my back surgery, my 1st disc went out at 25. So I was pretty close to your age. And I was in the mortgage industry and I still worked also, 53:33 Speaker 1: but that was sitting at a desk and I was dying. 53:38 Speaker 1: You say that, but 1 of the I've had 5 surgeries and I had 1 53:43 Speaker 1: disc that went out when I was an active addiction and heavily addiction. And like Will said, I was just taking a lot of heroin and smoking a bunch of speed and I'm not advocating for that by any means, but my point of that is I let it go and let it go and let it go to the point where it got so bad that 54:01 Speaker 1: I literally had my girlfriend bring me to the ER 1 day because I couldn't walk and I crawled into the ER and the disc was so compressed 54:10 Speaker 1: that they shot me upstairs. I didn't even have insurance and they didn't care. They just shot me upstairs and basically rushed me into surgery because it was bad that bad. They thought I was going to have dropped foot and all this stuff. 54:21 Speaker 1: That's like happened to you because you're not an active drug addict, don't think. But anyways, if you let it go, 54:26 Speaker 1: nerves, 54:27 Speaker 1: they can be compressed 54:29 Speaker 1: to the degree where they don't work. That's what drop foot is. You can lose your bowel like, like, 54:34 Speaker 0: you can lose your control 54:36 Speaker 1: of your bowels based on-site nerves. It's squished off bad. There is help and it's called surgery. 54:43 Speaker 1: I know you're going to have all these people in your air don't have surgery. I'm going tell you I've had 5 and 54:48 Speaker 1: I've tried to wait on some when I wasn't a drug addict and dude on my last 1, I was stupid, dude. I should have just done it. I woke up and was like, but 54:58 Speaker 1: no more pain. Oh my gosh. And now the TB that you're taking, they're taking high doses, 55:03 Speaker 1: take it after, take it all the way up like 3 weeks before and then take it after. And then now, like I, I take that now. I should have actually said that I do still take Wolverine because of my back every day. And 55:16 Speaker 1: because of my back and I really think that it helps with joints and recovery. 55:21 Speaker 1: Like dude, I think after you have your surgery, 55:24 Speaker 1: you're going be thanking us dude. Like, if it's just a microdiscectomy, 55:27 Speaker 1: which you're probably will be, you're 28, you will have 1, did you heal so quick, bro? You'll be in the gym in 2 weeks, dude. 55:34 Speaker 1: Out of pain, brother. Get out of pain. No, no peptide is going to help you, dude. Yeah. True. 55:40 Speaker 1: All right. Taking home. Are taking this home today. All right. So when stopping MK-677 55:45 Speaker 1: does your normal HGH levels return right away? So in theory, if I stopped taking it on Monday, 55:53 Speaker 1: would it be like it never took it? Is prolactin an issue at low moderate doses? 56:00 Speaker 1: And this next question is for entertainment 56:02 Speaker 1: purposes only. Would a teenage boy, let's say 16 to 17 56:06 Speaker 1: years old, benefit from a low dose of MIN K-677 56:10 Speaker 1: if 56:12 Speaker 1: his growth plates are still open? Would the theory grow another 0.5 inch in, let's say 4 to 5 months? 56:19 Speaker 1: Thanks for the show. All 56:22 Speaker 0: right, I'll go give you the best I got. 56:25 Speaker 0: MK-677, 56:26 Speaker 0: when you stop it, 56:30 Speaker 0: will return to normal. I don't know about the next day, Yeah. Like Monday to Wednesday, but yeah, within a week or 2, like, it's gonna 56:39 Speaker 0: yeah, those pulses are gonna return to normal. They 56:43 Speaker 0: aren't going to be like 56:46 Speaker 0: there's not gonna be much let down. It might feel like a let down because they'll go back to normal, but they're not going to go back to worse than normal, 56:53 Speaker 0: especially if you're taking moderate doses. 56:55 Speaker 0: So, 56:57 Speaker 0: the next question, okay, prolactin. 56:59 Speaker 0: With moderate to low doses, Well, I can say this, that no, it's not been an answer to risk. It's not been a problem for me nor anybody who I've known who's taken moderate 57:10 Speaker 0: doses. 57:11 Speaker 0: I haven't really seen anybody have really problems with prolactin. 57:15 Speaker 0: Moderate doses, I'd say max about 30 mg a day. And that's actually maybe considered a higher dose to some people, but, I've never seen any problems at that dose. 57:24 Speaker 0: Your key here's the thing with the growth plates was so A) no, well, A) don't give any child, I can say this as advice, do not give the child MK-six 77 because you think it's gonna make them grow. I don't think you're serious about this, but, 57:37 Speaker 0: the thing is about giving someone a kid a growth hormone while his growth plates are still growing, in theory, I mean, it works and that some doctors that is treatment for some people. They do. Really need it. But here's the main risk is 57:51 Speaker 0: it can make your growth plates start 57:53 Speaker 0: growing faster. Great. But guess what it does? It basically like ages them and then they will shut down faster. Right? So the growth of them 58:01 Speaker 0: will stop sooner 58:02 Speaker 0: than it actually should have should be. Right? If they're if they're growing, if those growth plates normally grow to 19, you give it to them at 15, 16, they could stop at 17.5, 58:12 Speaker 0: but maybe grew a lot during those 58:15 Speaker 0: those years, 58:16 Speaker 0: the the year and 0.5 or so. So that's way too much of a risk. There's no possible way for anybody to say 58:22 Speaker 0: they'll grow even quantify 58:25 Speaker 0: how much growth they will get in a 4 to 5 month cycle. So that was just an unknown and no, 58:31 Speaker 0: they're not going to grow 0.5 inch 58:33 Speaker 0: in 4 to 5 months, but we can't tell you exactly how much. Think 58:37 Speaker 0: I he's joking. Yeah. I think he's joking. But for entertainment purposes, like, no, don't do it. And yeah, that is the big risk is the growth plates, may grow a little bit faster at that point in time, but then they stop growing sooner. You might just cause some kid to be shorter than they normally would be. 58:53 Speaker 1: His 58:54 Speaker 1: 15 year old told him that he read that and was telling dad, it's gonna make me grow, baby. Yeah. 59:00 Speaker 1: We'll answered it. No, I don't. He already answered it. I don't need to be redundant. In regards to the kid, I will answer the 15 to 16 to 17 year old because it 59:10 Speaker 1: comes up a lot and rightfully so. And again, you know, I have 2 boys and it's easy to put myself in that place with them. And I'll say it again if you've missed it. Only thing that only peptide I'm going to give them at this point, unless there's something else that comes out, you know, is going to be TB or BPC. I would have no problem at all injecting 59:30 Speaker 1: them at 59:31 Speaker 1: that 59:32 Speaker 1: age if they injure themselves, but they will. I'm sure, you know, I would imagine they're going to do jiu jitsu in sports and football and stuff. So I will have no problem with that. When it comes to, 59:42 Speaker 1: you know, the peptide and secretagogues, 59:44 Speaker 1: even that's on a peptide. I've had people, friends actually ask me with their high school kids 59:50 Speaker 1: in sports and whatnot. And my answer is, man, they're full of HGH and testosterone, dude. 59:56 Speaker 1: Leave them alone. Just let dude eat some creatine, 59:59 Speaker 1: give them some creatine, have them eat a lot, man. Those dudes are active and burn away. There's not the really fat kids like when they're playing sports, man. So they're full of testosterone and HGH, dude. Let them grow, leave them alone. Let nature do what nature does. 1:00:14 Speaker 1: They're older, they can take this stuff. Now, let them be. That's my answer. 1:00:19 Speaker 1: Good stuff, dude. So 1:00:21 Speaker 1: again, 1:00:23 Speaker 1: Warrior Maker platform is on circle. We're going to put it everywhere. We're going to blast it everywhere. 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