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0:00Speaker 0Chronic migraine: 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more, can make me feel like a spectator in my own life. Botox, onabotulinum
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1:47Speaker 3What's up, dude? What's up? Hello, sir. We call those Willisms. So Will and I, exciting
1:58Speaker 3and it's not the easiest feat to complete. We've been busy. We're juggling a lot of things, but we've talked about it. And finally,
2:05Speaker 3I think tomorrow or the next day, but when you listen to this, it will be dropped. We got our forum,
2:23Speaker 3tired of getting dinged on social media. Were tired. I mean, we had a video on podcasts on YouTube getting taken down for nothing. I mean, I had a video taken down for fasting and I wasn't able to post for a week. It's like fasting video. So anyways, listen, we're stoked. We've done well on social media. It's been a blessing to us, but at the same time, there's a catch-twenty 2 part because
2:46Speaker 3what they say they do and sometimes we get dinged and we don't like being delivered out. So anyways, we have our own platform.
2:53Speaker 3We'll be dropping it in all of our social media things. You'll be able to find it easy. We'll be talking about it constantly,
3:00Speaker 3but we want to pull you off social media where we have to be vague and tiptoe around things.
3:07Speaker 4And we can talk to you bluntly. We can talk to you about 3 whatever we Whatever you want. We don't have to give you watered down and like, I'm not really going to say that go into this detail. Right? It doesn't have to be watered down. Right.
3:21Speaker 3we want within reason. Well, it's just funny because what you don't see behind cameras and what you don't see
3:27Speaker 3about our lives, which is almost a daily occurrence is Will and I sitting down and thinking, Hey man, should we do this or should we not do this? We talk through like
3:41Speaker 3what can we say, what can we not say? There's no rules written down so we don't have to deal with that anymore. Yeah. And if you ever, if
3:48Speaker 4you ever message any of us and we don't respond, that's because we're on like a shadow band and we can't see anybody's messages because
4:07Speaker 4Yeah. We got creative. We've been So it'll be cool. There will be a whole lot of extra info. And like, yeah, the point is to
4:14Speaker 4give the people, like, real information. Right. Right? That is the absolute sugarcoated, like, vague really
4:20Speaker 4do that. And we started this whole thing really just kind of wanting to, I don't know, a, we love talking about this stuff, but, yeah, wanted to disseminate as much
4:33Speaker 3and we have a lot of value and info to give. Yeah. So we're excited. We think you guys will be excited. We'll pull you out off the social media onto our own platform and you'll have access to us,
4:46Speaker 3to the team, ask all the questions that you want, be able to post on the front page, be able to post wins, be able to post all kinds of stuff. I'm excited. It's great.
4:55Speaker 3I'm doing great. Well, today is the Q and A episode, always our favorite, and seems like you guys like it a lot as well because we to kind of feel each other and see what you're interested in and where we like to answer these types of questions. So this is a good 1. You wanna start us off like always? Number 1.
5:23Speaker 4I'm 30 year old male and recently had my testosterone levels checked and they came back at a 3 14
5:32Speaker 4doctors seem to think that these are perfectly normal, refuses to run my any other tests regardless of my symptoms, fatigue, lack of morning erections, and anxiety. I'm wondering
5:45Speaker 4dosages would help me bring my levels to an optimal range? I'm extremely active with a physical job and lift 4 to 5 times a week. Currently on RET, I lose some extra fat. Also, fertility is not a concern as I do not wish to have any more children. So is HCG
6:26Speaker 4Because 3 14 is inside of that reference range and other hospitals, whatever, some other people or people are just don't know, so they want to play it, doctors want to play it super duper conservative. And
6:41Speaker 4like 900 or something like that. Okay. You're good. So basically they're saying like anything up above 2 50, sorry, we're not doing no, you don't fall with that. Year old. Now, again, as we know, like all these reference ranges, it's like, it's
6:54Speaker 4similar to It fits somewhere in here. Exactly. Well, yeah, it's somewhere in here plus plus this is what average Americans are. Right? But we know, so this is like, if you're in the average American range, like that's bad. You're not healthy.
7:09Speaker 4Those BMI tests are only for Ubers, uber skinny and really, really obese. Yeah. You know, I mean, it says a BMI test tells me that I am like morbidly obese. Right.
7:29Speaker 4that weight comes from. Right. Muscle or fat. Right. But so same kind of premise basically on these reference range tests. So hell yeah, you need to go see somebody else. You need to go see doctors, clinics who
7:54Speaker 4I think it is. Right? No wonder you're getting fatigue and lack of morning erections and anxiety. Okay? HCG,
8:02Speaker 4yeah, in an indirect way, it can actually help fertility, but like over time you do testosterone and
8:24Speaker 4right? Because you are, if you're taking tests, they're going to slow down, right? The less tests you take, the slower they slow down. Yep. Okay. The longer you take it, obviously the more that they will, smaller they will be. So I do think the HCG run concurrently with testosterone is a good idea.
8:40Speaker 4And then as far as your like doses, I don't know. I mean, and then when you get your blood test,
8:45Speaker 4do not just get your total tea and free tea, right? You need your like sex hormone binding globulin, like luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone,
8:55Speaker 4estradiol prolactin, thyroid, DHEA, cortisol, lipids, and metabolic and other metabolic markers. Okay. And there's more, but
9:04Speaker 4lot. That's good because 0 also let's make sure to attack why that testosterone is low. Right? A lot of times at
9:12Speaker 430. Holy moly shit. Yeah. Yeah. What the hell? So lack of stress, lack of sleep, lack of nutrition, right? Hey, people who are on Reto or Trozeptide, Semaglutide
9:23Speaker 4more commonly in the past, you're not eating enough food. Okay. Your body's not getting enough nutrients and it's not going to be as optimally healthy. Okay? That is gonna your testosterone will suffer if you're just not
9:35Speaker 4getting nutrients that you should be getting. So sleep, if I didn't mention sleep, that's probably 1 of the bigger damn things. Huge. I know. You know, do fasting, cold tubs,
9:44Speaker 4go through some rough things in your life like that are not damaging rough things. I don't develop a drug addiction, but- Do hard shit. Do hard shit and it makes you harder. That's good. That was great, man. You killed it. I'll be brief because you killed that mic drop.
9:58Speaker 3Man, 30 years old, holy moly. I'll tell you from the standpoint of this brother, I got sober at 33, so
10:08Speaker 3You say you don't want any more kids as did I. I got sober at 33 and there was no way in hell I would have any more kids and I meant every word of it. I was a 100%
10:19Speaker 3But 30, I know you think you're old, that is very young and you got a long way to go, dude.
10:26Speaker 3And you might want to have kids. You hope to God you don't ever get divorced if you're divorced. That's what I'm saying. But people
10:35Speaker 3If another lady comes into your life in your forties, like myself and wants to have kids,
10:46Speaker 3testicles or balls anyway, to be honest with you. I know like people saying that they don't care. I do.
10:56Speaker 3know, Doctor. Stanley was on here and he talked a lot about the HCG and different angles and Will and I love this stuff. We've been talking about it for years and we continue to learn. We love having the TRT doctors and nurses and all on here. We continue to learn. We continue to gorge ourself on this and we bring them on here,
11:15Speaker 3obviously more for everybody because we learn so much. So hopefully you've seen that episode and if you didn't watch it. And
11:36Speaker 3because you ask what's your, what should be your markers. It's not 1 size fits all. I have really found through the years
11:45Speaker 3my sweet spots. I won't even say it because it's not going to be your sweet spot. I've just found it and it's taken a long time to find it with a lot of trial and error, different dosage, different things and stuff like that. So go get your blood work done by a doctor that knows what they're talking about.
12:02Speaker 3they are out there, they are growing. There are a lot of doctors now that are starting to see the importance of the testosterone and hormones and all that.
12:12Speaker 3Hope that answered it. We'll killed it on the 1st 1. So, yeah, hope that helps. The last little bit, like, right. He said, everybody is different, but
12:21Speaker 4range that you're kind of aiming for, I suppose, I think, well, that probably most doctors
12:38Speaker 4That's very dependent, but like I would, you know, I'd start off at 100 mg a week. Yeah. Then bump to 150 a week.
12:45Speaker 4See if that does it. The goal is less day, do as little as you can to achieve the desired result.
12:52Speaker 4And, yeah, let's say maybe 100, hundred and 50, you know, there's no shame. I mean, if you need more, cool, you need more. Right?
13:03Speaker 4I do think is kind of a max TRT dose. Yeah. Max, max, max. I think about 3 to 400 is is like the minimum anabolic dose. So at 200 or, I mean, at 300, maybe to 400
13:29Speaker 4everybody is different on that. Some people just aromatize way more easy, you know, easier.
13:34Speaker 4Some present with certain side effects and some others don't. So you got to feel yourself, but yeah,
13:50Speaker 3I bumped up the dose recently to 3 mg a day of BPC and noticed old gyno from teen steroids
14:04Speaker 3now it seems to get sensitive and I've seen people online say the same. Any thoughts? That was an interesting question. I've never heard that. Have you? No. I'm
14:15Speaker 3super gyno prone. I mean, I and I take a shit ton of BPC. I mean, BPC and TB-five hundred are my favorites. I basically
14:29Speaker 3180 mg TRT. I'm keeping my AOD because I love AOD and HGH. That's all. I've cut out everything. I'm trying to do a reboot even that. So I'm not even taking the Wolverine right now. I try to even cut that for a bit and just do a whole reboot. But my point in that is this, I've taken shitloads, man, and I am gyno prone dude, and not ever have I felt that. I think
14:57Speaker 3gyno is affected. So insulin spikes and things like that, in my opinion, affect it from my experience. If I'd eat a carb day, man, I would have that tingly and itchiness in my nipple.
15:13Speaker 3But to answer your question from my view viewpoint, and I did dig into this a little bit after because I was curious, I'd never heard that. So I did some research and I hadn't found anything that you should worry about, dude. I mean, there's always a what if and you could be an outlier, but I think you're good, dude. I don't think it's the BPC or TB. Okay. So I don't think there's no possible way.
15:37Speaker 4GHYNO. Right? It's not that's just that the answer there is is a quick easy no. That's not causing any gyno. Okay? Here's the deal though, like, is causing a lot of angiogenesis,
15:53Speaker 4it is it is it's really trying to make, well, things grow, right, make help you repair yourself. So
16:01Speaker 4it is not so basically, if you already have gyno and you already have this gland that is swollen, right, that has a little bit of fat underneath it,
16:10Speaker 4You take high doses of BPC, and I'm just saying this is like, I get, have never, nobody's ever told me this, but here's the theoretical possibility of You
16:19Speaker 4have this gland that's already there swollen, okay? Now everything is getting a little bit more blood flow, right? Is not really swelling, like I'm not saying that that's inflammation,
16:35Speaker 4you know, that can maybe take what you just barely couldn't see, right? Now to maybe pushes it out a little bit. So it's not making the actual gyno works. It is not building fat that is burn offable.
16:50Speaker 4But it might make you kind of, Oh, hey, notice it a little bit more. It might make you feel it. Right? Makes sense. I can see that. Also
16:57Speaker 4the people who you say online are doing this, I would check, dude, I just don't trust anybody that's on Reddit. Like, who knows? They're probably, you know, it's guys like,
17:07Speaker 4I do BPC, I got, I know what a fuck. They're telling you 700 makes a test and they'd like, they leave that part out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. It's the BPC. Right. So, you know, check the sources on that 1. Don't get caught up too much in the bandwagon, but there's that and like, Hey, are you taking tests? Right? Is there something that is raising your estrogen
17:26Speaker 4naturally? Like he basically said, that's what I would be looking at more so than the BPC. Try to change some other factors and
17:35Speaker 4why don't you lower the, the, now you said even when you lower it, it starts to happen. Okay.
17:44Speaker 4see what happens. Okay. Go 2 weeks without it and then reintroduce it at a lower, at a lower dose.
18:22Speaker 4it's never going to like repair you. It is just a signaling a peptide that well, it's not a peptide, signaling
18:42Speaker 4and it only brings you back to normal kind of by a regulator, right? It's like, it's gonna try to bring body back back to normal, but not ever like super physiological
18:58Speaker 4I think that there's stuff out there that I mean, I don't think these either of these can hurt that much, but I don't basically the Cadillacs
19:10Speaker 4they're never gonna hurt you. Yeah. I think it's worth a try. If you got some serious problems, right? If you've been really, really trying, trying, trying to
19:24Speaker 4and none of that is working and you're really desperate, like, cool. You can add that in, but all those
19:38Speaker 4right? It's like, it's for collagen. I was cartilage. I still would much prefer BPC-1TB,
20:00Speaker 3So, I mean, it's okay. I mean, like Will said, I mean, I've said it a 100 times. I'm a huge fan of the Wolverine, which for anybody that doesn't know is the BPC-157
20:11Speaker 3I think for any type of injury, you're good. You're golden. I think that's just man. I think that's the holy grail when it comes to that. I am continued
20:19Speaker 3to be blown away by that. The testogen, I mean, what, why? Like, what is it like, like meaning, like, what are you taking it for? You got your Kisspeptin, you got your HCG.
20:29Speaker 3So they're similar in regards to that. I mean, I'm assuming you're trying to increase your testosterone or
20:34Speaker 3sperm count. It's such a vague question. So how do we answer that to the degree? Like, why would you take it? Because there's other stuff in my opinion that would do better.
20:44Speaker 3Kind of contingent upon what you're trying to do. Like it's obviously to increase testosterone.
20:48Speaker 3And I are going to say 10 times out of 10, get on testosterone for the love of God. If it's, you know, to stay fertile and things like that, HCG, you know, compared to Kisspeptin and all
21:00Speaker 33, HCG is the winner in regards to that. So again, it's vague, hard to answer that, but there's better products in my opinion. Yeah, I think this is better stuff. Yeah. Okay, I'm up.
21:11Speaker 3I stumbled upon the podcast and have binge listening to the episodes by episode, and I'm so glad that you are doing this Q and A because I actually have a question.
21:28Speaker 0surgery resulting in my chronic migraine. 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more, can make me feel like a spectator in my own life. Botox, onabotulinum
21:38Speaker 1toxin A, prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month. It's the number 1 prescribed branded chronic migraine preventive treatment.
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22:48Speaker 3What peptides should I begin prior to the surgery and how long before the surgery should I be taking them? What peptides should I continue to use after the surgery in order to make sure this time around the scars along are
23:04Speaker 3and look the best. You want to take that? Yes, but I will also add. Yeah, I'll go quick. So you got a, so
23:11Speaker 3obviously the Wolverine is what you're going to want to take when it comes to the scars. GHK-3C is going to be your best in regards to that.
23:24Speaker 3snap 8 face serum and you're going to rub that right on the scar. That's going be great. You want to take actual H or GHKCU
23:34Speaker 3For some reason, I like them separate. That's just probably a matter of preference for me. Some of it would be depending on your pocketbook.
23:42Speaker 3I like the Wolverine by the Wolverine by itself because you can just take such shitloads of Wolverine, you know, with copper, you can overdo it on copper. So what I would say is kind of keep them separate if your pocket book allows that. So
24:08Speaker 3what can you afford? You know, the more that you can take, obviously you're going to expedite the healing of it. I think most people know about my surgery and how fast I healed and I took huge, huge, huge quantities
24:23Speaker 3had referred that to me. And I was even blown away by it because I don't have a problem taking high doses of most peptides. And I was even like, wow.
24:31Speaker 3But after I did and did what he said, I was truly blown away by how fast I healed. I was in the gym in 2 weeks and people were like, Dude, should you be lifting that much? And I'm like, I feel good. So
24:44Speaker 4Yeah, that's my answer. For sure. I 2nd that. I would say, I don't know, 4 weeks before, you said, but 3 weeks, maybe
24:52Speaker 4whatever. So yeah, you want kind of anything that's going help with like collagen remodeling
24:58Speaker 4like I just mentioned, formation of new blood vessels, blood is life, right? More blood that goes to tissues, the better it heals, the better it looks, the better it feels, the better it functions, reduced
25:13Speaker 4So yeah, you nailed like BPC. So I would go 4, I'd do 4 weeks ahead of time, BPC and TB.
25:25Speaker 4I would not separate the BPC, TB. Yeah. Yeah. I would keep those together. I got no problem with that. Presurgery,
25:35Speaker 4GHKCU is the 1 that you can't really don't wanna take too much of. Okay? So if you'd have to have the if they're on the same bottle and you wanna take high doses of BPC and TB, sorry, you got to take the high doses of the GHK-3Cu,
25:57Speaker 4Wolverine, BPC-2B as you want. As you should. As you should. Right. So, but I would like scar wherever the scar happens is going to be. Right?
26:05Speaker 4I would put, you're kind of just trying to go make a triangle of injections daily around
26:16Speaker 4BPC is signaling is helping absorb collagen and signaling, telling it where to go, reducing inflammation. The TB-five hundred is bringing a whole bunch of stem cells in there, just telling to build, build, build, build, build. So
26:51Speaker 4And as the name says, like human growth hormone. So it is going to help your skin repair. Hell, when I'm taking that dude, I mean, I could
27:02Speaker 4fast. Okay, so including your skin, that's gonna help with everything. And I'd say 6 to 8 weeks post.
27:17Speaker 4Put it on there daily for sure. Yeah. It worked. And watch that watch that wound and not scar up.
27:30Speaker 4daily of BPC and TB is about as low as you want to go. I'd say up to 3 mg of each. Okay.
27:38Speaker 40.5 a milligram to 3 mg is the range. Don't go less than that. GHK CU, I'd say maybe 2.5 mg to 5 mg, 3 days a week.
27:49Speaker 3there you go. You You can throw on top of that as you were talking, I was thinking you can throw in some Thymosin Alpha-one because that's going to be good for immunity and you're in surgery
28:00Speaker 3So do that, try that maybe. And it brings down inflammation. It's the best for bringing down inflammation. So, throw in some TA-one if you can afford that too. That'd be good. Yeah. Vitamin C is always good for scars.
28:15Speaker 4Who's that? Me? You are no, I am. But I wanna make sure that I'm reading the right the full questions. Guys. Is the way I printed them out. Is this I'm a 41 year old female? No. It's, hey, guys. Alright. 4th down on the Let me see yours. I might have to read this from your sheet. Yeah. 2 the same. Hey, guys. Love the podcast. Thank you for what I'm doing, for what you do. I'm a 41 year old female here in SoCal. For some reason, mine, like, cut off the 1st sentence.
29:03Speaker 3That's where mine ends. Oh really? Yeah. I also started MOTS-3C this past week that I'm hoping will help with energy, etcetera. I have also exercised and taken care of my body. My goal is to feel better, have energy, sex drive, and lose the last bit of my belly fat. Any recommendations
29:32Speaker 3the episode with a nurse Lee that we just had on. We did that for you ladies because we, you know, we have
29:45Speaker 3I, you know, I can probably speak for Will. We love sitting down and talking to people about this stuff. We learn so much. We are both so intrigued by this stuff. We learn every time and
29:58Speaker 3But mainly we bring those people on because they're educated, they're good at what they do. We know them personally. So, you know, when it comes to doctors and certain things, you know, like I'll be blunt with you. I don't, I'm not the, I don't have the most respect for a lot of them in certain areas, hormone doctors and stuff in hormone areas, but these ones that we bring on and we do because we know them and we know that they're good at what they do. So if you have not heard that episode,
30:21Speaker 3it was the last 1 jump on there. And she dug into that type of stuff and she went in deep on that stuff and you're in SoCal.
30:36Speaker 3in Orange County. Well, one's in Chino Hills, one's in Orange County, and she would be happy
30:42Speaker 4to help you out with that. Yeah, for sure. And she does that. She does like testosterone.
30:48Speaker 3Know her well, but she has her heart is just like, she truly tries to help everybody that we bring on this show. We know them personally. We know that they're legitly
31:00Speaker 3like, they know what they're talking about. They, they believe, you know what I mean? Like they're, they're, they're vetted is the best way to say that we know them well. That's why we bring them on and we're going to continue to do that because
31:10Speaker 3we love it. We know it's important for you guys and shoot, man, we learn more every single time we sit with them. I love it. So there you go.
31:21Speaker 4as far as some peptide MOTS-1C, awesome. I would really always try to pair that with SS-31NAD
31:40Speaker 4some of the problems that some of those symptoms, I suppose that you're feeling with low testosterone until you can actually go get some real testosterone. It fixed.
32:01Speaker 4You know, it's your fault if you have, if you get those problems because you overdid it, everybody.
32:07Speaker 4But MOTS-1s): Awesome. Tesamorelin right there. It's helping to burn visceral fat, help burn the belly fat
32:31Speaker 4you know, 8 weeks of Kisspeptin and then see the blood test again, see what it has done to testosterone.
32:38Speaker 3Yeah, my wife is, we're in the middle of, or middle, we're at the tail end of getting my son off breastfeeding.
32:45Speaker 3you know, she's about to go in and get her hormones tested and get all that stuff. And we're thinking about putting her on Kisspeptin, but she's going to get tested and like look at her levels and all that 1st.
33:10Speaker 3nurse Lee that knows what they're doing. I'm telling you, I've known her for so long. She travels the freaking world and studies this stuff. That's why I love her. So she's really good at that. So hit us up in numerous areas or just look on our social media. She's on there and I put her on there every time we post. So we're going You're
33:39Speaker 4yay. All right. Hey, guys. I absolutely love your podcast and have learned so much from you. Thank you for so generously sharing your knowledge and just being such great guys. My 24 year old daughter started on Tirzepatide about 3 months ago. She's 5 foot 4, started at 150.
33:57Speaker 4Damn. 3 months ago, down 20 pounds and has lost 12% body fat. Right? She eats pretty clean. It eats a pretty clean diet. I know it's hard to quantify and
34:09Speaker 4several days a week. Suggested she start on tirzepatide because she had a lot of weight to lose.
34:14Speaker 4She'd like to lose 5 to 10 more pounds, but is now more concerned with gaining muscle. My thinking is to switch her to Retta to help her with the fat burn and appetite regulation.
34:54Speaker 4and semaglutide is people just don't eat. Okay? They don't really want to eat anything. And so they
35:04Speaker 4fat and muscle. Yeah. Retta allows you to actually have an appetite, so you can eat some protein and therefore keep your keep muscle,
35:39Speaker 4lose those 5 to 10 pounds and not lose any more muscle? Right? Keep all that. And then maybe once you're down, once you're down there because to lose weight, you need to be in a calorie deficit.
36:18Speaker 4Goes a long way women. But it also goes a long way for women and can really help. Well, absolutely ensure you don't lose any muscle
36:58Speaker 3gasping for breath. It is a compound that not that many people are taking that much anymore. So I'm not sure if you're getting it from a doctor or what, but
37:07Speaker 3is, there's a reason why it's the king dog because it freaking just is the king dog for a reason.
37:16Speaker 3Will already killed it on your, on that answer. Yes. Get her on Retrutide. It is a far, far, far superior
37:27Speaker 3those 3 for a few months, man, it'll burn that right. Mob her. She's young. She'll kill it. Yep. And we
37:37Speaker 4Weight training that she said she's already doing, right? Eating protein. So she's gonna, it's gonna be, you know, you've already read it. Yeah, you have an appetite, but you should feel full faster. Okay. So that's the point. But make sure that food that you are eating is
37:51Speaker 4That's what the muscles are made out of. If you don't eat protein, then it protects muscle.
37:59Speaker 4healthy sleep is huge to gain any muscle and to burn fat. Hell, so It's always fun to say people, I mean healthy. What does that mean? What does that mean? Subject. You know, the 1 thing that we have learned, right, in this, all these GLPs coming out is
38:19Speaker 4I'd say, you know, it's probably like, what's more effective? If you had to choose 1, right, that's maybe it's a 50 50 toss-up. Like we now have learned because of trial and error, right, I've seen
38:30Speaker 4really be kick ass at working out, but their diet isn't very good. And they make some changes, right? But then we've seen way more people
38:39Speaker 4be terrible at working out. In fact, do nothing and do nothing but change their diet and they see huge results. Huge. And also, it is very, it's illuminated what people think of like, Oh, I eat great. Yeah.
38:51Speaker 4No. No, you don't. Until then you got on the GLP and now you started losing weight because that forced you to eat
38:59Speaker 3And so you didn't know most people don't know what eating great is. Well, so we've always had just, this has been our life for so long. We loved it. And from
39:07Speaker 3sports to, you learn about nutrition and stuff through sports just because you're kind of forced to a degree.
39:13Speaker 3Some people take it further, but anyways, when like with fitness training and helping people get in shape and whatnot, it's
39:19Speaker 3so funny that people just think you just need a workout. I'm going to work out and they go to the gym and they work hard. They put like 2 weeks, like, let's take the 1st of the year and everybody's, I'm going to work my ass off. They do. They're busting their ass. Their diet sucks and they don't see any benefits. There's been no drop in weight and then they give up. They do it wrong. You're doing it wrong. You got to start in the kitchen, man.
39:44Speaker 4exercise, hormones, all that stuff, man. And it takes a little bit of time. Like it's not as,
39:53Speaker 4to build those habits that got you that way. Right? It takes, it's hard to, it's hard to establish new habits and be disciplined and don't think, I definitely know that the losing weight or gaining muscle is like a domino effect. So people, Hey, I'm going to do 1 thing and they go, hell, 2 weeks a month,
40:09Speaker 4maybe not. And like, damn, I'm doing everything right. It's like, don't quit before the miracle happens. Right? And like literally 1 day
40:16Speaker 4your body goes, Oh, I get it. This is what we're trying to do. And then they falling over and then they won't. And then I have people like who want to gain muscle,
40:24Speaker 4finally start gaining muscle. They're like, well, shit, now I just keep getting too big or the same way. Like I can't stop this roller coaster I'm on.
40:38Speaker 3the cool thing about that, and it took me a while to come around to it for, you know, before I really started studying them, because I've talked about neuroscience and Will was always saying, Hey, look into these, look into these. I'm like, nah, dude. But anyways,
40:57Speaker 3if somebody is just, I grew up in the gym, I started lifting 0.125 grade and never stopped. I fell in love from the 1st bench press and it just never stopped.
41:06Speaker 3But that's not everybody. And like, there's people that have never even been in a gym. Like I structured my fitness program around that because there's guy knew the guys didn't want to go into the gym. You know what I mean? And, which is fine.
41:28Speaker 3it's your mind. It's like a trigger in your mind where it lights a fire in your soul or whatever. And like, I want more. That even if you don't work out
41:36Speaker 3and you lose a little bit of weight, it triggers something in your mind to eat better, workout more, and it's a snowball effect. And I think that's been the beauty about the GLP-1s.
41:46Speaker 3Now there are going be some people that sit on the couch and like, that's just silly because you're not trying to improve your life. Most people, I think,
42:00Speaker 4Sure. You know what I mean? Like that a lot. That is the best. True. And that's what I guess the other thing was cool. It's not, it doesn't happen overnight, but
42:18Speaker 4anyway, it's like drugs and alcohol, those drugs, alcohol, sex, driving fast, those are immediate gratification. That's the word I was looking for. Working out is a pretty close 2nd. Right? Compared to anything else in this world that we get that gives us Chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more, can make me feel like a spectator in my own life. Botox, onabotulinum
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43:31Speaker 4right? Like, it works pretty fast. Yeah. Hey, do you want gratification of having a great job that takes some years
43:37Speaker 4and years? Right? I want to be gratification of, I don't know, having a nice car while you got to get rich 1st. Suppose that takes a long, long time. Right? But working out is pretty quick if you dive head 1st and
43:53Speaker 4Really it just 3 months of hard work, You can change your life, change your life 90 days. You see a little bit and then you're like, Oh, there it is. Now it's working. Then you really 1 get into You start hanging out with people to go to the gym. You start hanging out with people that want to improve themselves. It's the law of attraction. It's my
44:08Speaker 3favorite saying with some total of 5 people we hang out with the most. Your If friends are sitting on the couch and Doritos, change your friends. Seriously, like find people that are chasing growth, man. It's contagious.
44:20Speaker 3the glow 70 megs for 2 weeks and had injected site reactions each time, red welts, itchy, hot, etcetera.
44:28Speaker 3So I gave it a break for a week, gave it myself another injection after and to see if the reaction improved, but it did not. I'm assuming this was from the cup or yes, it is. My question is, was it suitable alternative?
44:50Speaker 3Batalon once I've ran DSIP for 3 weeks. The goal is to get better sleep and have more energy and mental clarity. Would love to incorporate something
45:11Speaker 3mean, some of it's just part of the game. You know, Will has his big brain has created
45:18Speaker 3water that you can use that will help with that. Would it help with the itchy welts? I think so.
45:27Speaker 3some of that's part of the game. Think after time you're going to, it's going to kind of subside a bit anyway. I know you deal with NAD problems quite a bit. The ones that I ran into that are an issue, if I just keep doing it, they kind of subside in regards to the wealthy type stuff. I mean, I get GHK-
45:46Speaker 3It would just be like every few nights and I would get like a big wealth. I'd be walking up my stairs. I'm like, Oh man, that's a desert. But
46:13Speaker 3Okay. Sleep. Let me talk about that a little bit. Cause I've been dealing with that and I've been doing a lot of research on it because man, it's my sleep has been so off for months and it's been really, really sucking the life out of me. So I've been digging into it and doing a lot of research on my end on trying to figure it out. So here's some of the things that I've been doing, that have been working for me and they might be a little woo woo to some, but I don't care. I'm open minded and try things. So,
46:40Speaker 3I've read that just right when the sun comes up, take your shoes off and go walk in the grass,
46:53Speaker 3And I did it, whether it placebo or not. I have been sleeping great. That's been working. I've cut down to the basics. I
47:09Speaker 3in the morning. I don't look at my phone for an hour and I haven't for a long time, but at night I look
47:15Speaker 3at that sucker until the 2nd I put it on my thing. So I've now given myself about an hour to not do that. And so the last week I have slept freaking amazing. I feel
47:26Speaker 3so much better. I feel so much like myself. I finally feel like just me again. I was struggling for months.
47:34Speaker 3I would say try it. It works for me. I don't care if it's woo woo or placebo or not. It works.
47:54Speaker 4on me. DSIP, cool. That's what it's gonna do, right? It's not gonna make you drool on yourself and pass out, right? It is going to
48:02Speaker 4all the calming neurotransmitters, it's just gonna tell them all to chill and get you in the right mood for sleep. So you're doing the right thing there, but yeah, there's some lifestyle changes. My problem
48:14Speaker 4try to like, all right, get home from work. I gotta get all these things in, right? And
48:18Speaker 4up to the point of like, okay, I can do 3 more things in bed while I'm on my laptop. Right? And then
48:29Speaker 4I knew them like, damn it. If I would've just said, not being productive. Yeah, right. If I would've just said
48:46Speaker 4yeah, lifestyle changes like that, But I mean, far as peptides go, was going to say NAD,
49:02Speaker 4Hit us up and tell you what that is. Okay? If that doesn't happen, some people get a little histamine reaction to 2 things, Now you got BPC, TB, and
49:12Speaker 4maybe some of that little mix of them is igniting a histamine reaction. Who knows? My chances are, I think it is just the copper uncomfortableness.
49:20Speaker 4And frankly, if you're getting just a little bit of redness and itching, that's better than most.
49:39Speaker 4see if you do it, take it like a Benadryl right beforehand and do that injection and see if that reaction happens. Then you- Probably Clo.
49:58Speaker 4Talking about angiogenesis, creating new blood vessels. Right? If it's creating new blood vessels in the skin level, your skin's gonna be healthier.
50:11Speaker 4a good supplement for, like, hair, skin, and nails, and I'm gonna read you these ingredients because I can't pronounce a lot of them. No. Just
50:35Speaker 3Yeah, but everything else you covered. This dude sitting here literally made up this no sting water. So he's a pretty bright guy and it really does work. We're not just saying that it works. The topical serum, shit, topical serum, like, right. Put the SNAP-8GHK
50:49Speaker 4CU serum just right on your face. I think that that's the glaring ones right at us. You up? I'm up. Let me steal your paper. Yep.
51:03Speaker 4Am I here? The new peptides? Okay. New to peptides and loving it. Love it so much that I want to get my dad on them. Little background story because details are important. He's had multiple back and neck surgeries in the past to help him mitigate nerve pain and muscle weakness and improve his walking balance. The last back surgery he had at 8 hour intensive went south and crashed twice in the OR, jeez,
51:25Speaker 4and was on a ventilator for 5 to 6 days. After that, the doc realized the blood thinner heparin actually had an adverse reaction on his system and clotted blood rather than thinning it. Wow, sweet.
51:37Speaker 4All to say he's been through the rigor. Since then he's made progress in physical therapy and is now completely off of blood thinners. My thought is that BPC-157
51:49Speaker 4relieve his nerve pain. I know JD has had multiple back surgeries as well, so I'd like to know, 1, would BPC and or TB be a good fit for him? Yes. 2,
52:00Speaker 4it may not be suitable for people who have blood clotting thinning issues due to the creation of new vessels to transport blood to inflamed areas? Maybe.
52:21Speaker 4don't, to yeah, be honest, like I don't know the severity. I mean, I guess in theory, right?
52:27Speaker 3I would say if it was my dad, I would, I'll answer if it was my dad because I can't answer for your dad. That's, you know, and like, we're not doctors, obviously.
52:45Speaker 3I get where you're coming from and I see the logic in that, but I don't think that you would have a problem with it. I think it's going to be more positive
52:53Speaker 3Everything's a risk to reward and you can only answer that yourself. So what you feel comfortable with, if it's gonna like, you're going to give it to him and it's gonna screw with your head and you're gonna be super worried, then don't. You know, if it's going to be, you're going to be worried that it's doing that or this.
53:07Speaker 3Again, this is just somewhat of a guess. I think that anybody could answer that. Don't think you need to worry about it as much.
53:15Speaker 3I think it's going to do really good for him. It's going to expedite the healing. It's going to do so much. It's my favorite compound
53:24Speaker 3So that's my answer, man. I would feel comfortable giving it to my old man in that situation.
53:46Speaker 4So that's all I can tell you. Probably the proper answer is like, it's an actual answer to you, you know, ask your doctor about it. Okay?
54:06Speaker 4But the worry then is the BPC is going to potentially let blood flow a little bit more freer and therefore act as,
54:15Speaker 4like, what a blood thinner might do. And I guess that is was the good thing. That wasn't the problem at the beginning.
54:31Speaker 3Okay, Europe. Number 9. What's up? Great podcast. Super informative and not overly med technical.
55:04Speaker 3I think that's an easy 1, man. I mean, I don't what's too much? I don't know. I mean, always affordability is gonna play a role if you can afford it. I say you can do it. I mean, if you're
55:13Speaker 3you could also pull those out and up the Retta, that would probably be your quickest bet, to be honest with you. To be honest with you, you could literally just go up to MIG 3 times a week and I think that's going to get you to the end zone quicker and
55:27Speaker 3So I would probably do that now that I'm reading this. I didn't think of that until I'm reading this, but to answer your direct question, can you do MOTS-1s): Is an overkill?
55:36Speaker 3I don't think so. Even close MOTS-1s): And slew are 2 of my favorites and they will definitely help
55:44Speaker 4Yeah, I would agree. I think, I think that I would hold those and I would increase Zaretta
55:49Speaker 4for fast results. And then you got those for when it's time to get off the others, right? And it's kind of cycle off those and now, now add these 2 in. There is potentially such thing as kind of like metabolic overload where you're just taking so many damn
56:18Speaker 4but there is such thing as just too too much. Right? And I do think, yeah, less is more, a few, you know, 3, 3 peptides
56:27Speaker 3cycle 3, 3 to 4 months and then pull them and put 3 to 4 in their place. When I've talked about this, we've thrown it out a couple of times and there's numerous reasons why I've downshifted and
56:47Speaker 3even if we've done it, but it doesn't matter on, we just want to do 1 and we want to do it for, I don't know, what do we say? 60 days or probably 2 months, give
56:55Speaker 3or take. And then, but we wanted to get like a really hands on how we both feel at the same time and kind of just talk through it. So 1 of the reasons I've kind of unwinded
57:10Speaker 3not plural A peptide, yeah, what's it doing is, you know, I mean, I've taken so much for so long.
57:27Speaker 4What's up? Great podcast. Super informative and not only okay. You already read that? What's up, you pair of legends? I'm coming to you all the way from Bonney, Scotland.
57:36Speaker 4Been following your pod for some time now, and I preach about you guys to anyone who will listen. Got it. Thank you. That's so cool. So I have surgery coming up to repair 2 bulging herniated discs,
57:55Speaker 4surgery to repair. I've been using Reta for 5 months now, down about 44 pounds. Phew. About
58:01Speaker 4another 20 to go. I've just finished the cycle on MOTS-nine, Tesamorelin. I plan to start TRT post surgery to optimize health.
58:18Speaker 4once recovery is done, I wanna get back to the gym to rebuild the muscle I've lost though through not being able to train. Suggestions for them. My pocketbook isn't massive, but I'd certainly be able to add a few others if you think they'll help. Keep up the amazing enlightening work you do. Big love and God bless. 0 Huge man. That is cool. Scotland?
58:59Speaker 4I was bedridden and- Mood. I mean, for months and had 2 epidurals, those didn't do a damn thing.
59:10Speaker 4Oh my god. The past, I mean, I'm paranoid about it now too. And I know I can start to feel in my butt. You get scared. A little, like, wheeze, and and I go, oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, no. And I I and so what I do is I go to the gym and I do all the girl exercises. Right? I do like the weighted
59:32Speaker 4it's because I need to like build my glutes up. Right? I gotta keep those glutes firing and strong. Right. And then there won't be this push pull imbalance. Or sometimes if I'll do, like, heavy abs, my abs are really sore, but I hadn't activated my glutes yesterday,
59:44Speaker 4then my abs are, like, pulling me forward and pulling things out of line. You know? So I try to keep front and back pretty even,
59:55Speaker 4I would say is hell so Cardiac post surgery, I think we talked about Cardiac right then and there is a very good use of Cardiac, right?
1:00:04Speaker 4This bio regular, it shouldn't be done all the time. In fact, it's pointless to be done more than 2, 3 times a year, but after a trauma and especially
1:00:16Speaker 4organ, it's not an organ, but right cartilage system, Cartilage is great to tell the Wolverine stack where the hell to go and heal.
1:00:26Speaker 4before and after just like we answered the last question, right? I'd say 4 weeks before and 4 to 6 weeks after.
1:00:38Speaker 4surgery and you're asking, am I going do to put on muscle that you lost? There it is. It'll work really well. Eat, lift. Eat, lift and do your test.
1:01:02Speaker 3if it's 35 plus, I'll say HGH for sure. TRT for sure. Eat. You can always do MK-677,
1:01:08Speaker 3which is not a peptide, but that will help you gain some weight pretty quickly. You'll
1:01:13Speaker 3eat, you'll be hungry. I don't know, take it for like 60 days. It'll do its thing in 60 days, but we'll
1:01:19Speaker 3nail that man. High doses of the Wolverine. It'll help you expedite that, man. I'm sorry, man. That is pain that if you've never felt it, you can't understand it. It controls
1:01:34Speaker 3let us know how you do, man. God bless you back, dude. And let us know how you do when you're done with the surgery. Keep us posted. Yeah. All right. Last question.
1:02:06Speaker 4they would call them like Skinny shots. Shots. Right? Different lipo Cs have different things, but I think that what they're describing is the traditional should be like L carnitine, then MYC and B-twelve. And the MYC is methionine,
1:02:26Speaker 4internal visceral fat and help clean out your liver. Okay? Get the fat off of your liver,
1:02:39Speaker 4You're healthier than your liver functions better and everything functions better if your liver functions better.
1:02:50Speaker 4Yeah. Just good energy, brain, and body. L carnitine just helps body your body kinda go into the state of keto where where it prioritizes
1:03:18Speaker 4better things out there. I think it's almost like more of like a general health. Yeah.
1:03:23Speaker 4People love their L carnitine. I mean, it's a great, great, great, great compound, but man, I just can't do it. It's just, you're gonna inject too much. I try. So those are good. So that's good. I got, I don't really have anything bad say other than there's
1:03:37Speaker 4stuff. It's a good it's a good add on if you're going for like a general health or cutting stack. It's usually done intramuscularly.
1:03:49Speaker 4and not make it your primary, like, I'm gonna put all my eggs in this basket and I'm gonna lose weight with this thing.
1:03:54Speaker 3It's not. What do you inject that? I use intramuscular. I know, I know. I'm being like, is that daily? Because L carnitine is daily. So you do B12 is like once a week. So do you do that on a I don't, I think it's 3 times a week to twice a week. Got it. Yeah.
1:04:08Speaker 4Cool. Good stuff. You know, I mean, you say that, but it's got ill quarantine in it. Right? So every day. But my guess is that these clinics that are selling this are going for 2 to 3 times a week. Yeah. Probably burns.
1:04:25Speaker 3was that stuff you gave me years ago, dude, where it was supposed to be B12 and like I took What the hell is that dude? Burning out of heat. It was like a multivitamin
1:04:33Speaker 4plus this. It was this. It was brutal, bro. It had about 20 different ingredients. It was brutal. That shit. I was like, that hurt.
1:04:40Speaker 4Pretty tough Sometimes it's the benzalkal, like you're mixing that many vitamins in there. You need to put a good amount of benzalkal to keep them together. Yeah. And to keep it sterile. Right? And that's what burns.
1:04:55Speaker 3a Paul back to you on the podcast again, and we're going to be talking about what's going on in the peptide world.
1:05:02Speaker 3A lot Peptide science just got shut down. So Paul has an inside view of a lot of things. So we want to pull him back on and pick his brain on camera.
1:05:21Speaker 3we will have the access and we will have our circle open. So jump on, we'll have numerous areas where you can find it. Jump on, post stuff down the front. We will be on there. Our team, all of us will be talking to you. It's going to be cool, man. You can post your wins. You can post pictures of your family. You can post pictures of your stacks. That matter where you can post whatever you want. We
1:05:41Speaker 3will respond. We're looking at them and we will try and we'll do the same. Yeah. We've already told our team to start getting on there and posting man, and let's just start getting this algorithm flowing and let's start getting the flow of it. We're excited.
1:05:51Speaker 3I think you will love it. I think that we've been trying really to give access to us on a direct level to where we can answer some questions. Sometimes we'll be on there and vice versa, some of the team, but we'll try to answer every 1 of your damn questions, baby.
1:06:04Speaker 4Little updates. So like some of you may or may not know, like I had a hair transplant, what, 6 weeks ago? This is what it looks like. It's good. Pretty damn good. Tell me he looks he should leave his hair like that. Yeah.
1:06:16Speaker 4So my hair MD, like if anybody has questions or wants to know, they did a damn, they did a great job. It's a labor intensive process. It was in San Diego
1:06:33Speaker 4Like, they bring you in and actually do you know, it's not just like a straight across
1:06:40Speaker 4make it kind of jagged. They even go into this much detail where they will so as they pull the donor hairs, right, they most of our hairs,
1:06:48Speaker 4you have your little follicle 2 come with 2 hair follicles. I think that's what those are called.
1:06:53Speaker 4Most of them grow like this. Sometimes, you know, you'll have 10, I don't know, but sometime a lot of times you'll also have 1. So they do,
1:07:01Speaker 4they go in as much detail where they find the ones that it's only 1 hair and then replant
1:07:06Speaker 4only those ones on the hairline. So they can point that 1 hair the right direction and not have like 2 going, going which ways on the pairs that you see. Damn. That sounds complex, dude. Yeah.
1:07:19Speaker 4So there was that and the peptide sciences. Yeah. Here's my guess. I don't know what Paul is going say, but
1:07:34Speaker 3I'm excited about this. We haven't really had a lot of conversations with him yet. He's been busy, so we're excited to kind of break this down. And we always have good conversations with him. He knows a lot about a lot. We love him. He's a good friend of ours. So we're excited. Yep, we are. We record on Friday. It'll drop on Monday. So cool, man. Well, we will catch you on the next round. We love you guys later.