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0:18Speaker 0William T. Haws. What's up, dude? What's up, my man? What looks different? Why does it feel different?
0:29Speaker 0I know. I decided I've always done the podcast at my home office, but I've moved it into the warehouse. No, we were in the same warehouse doing it here. So I was telling Will that I'm a little OCD, feel a little off.
0:42Speaker 0Yeah, yeah, yeah. But soon, we will be doing it in the same room, which will be really cool. Yeah, dude, that's what I gonna tell you. So the people out there, like 1 of the cool things that, you know, the podcast is doing well and we appreciate all the cool comments. I say that all the time, but we really mean it. It's awesome. So we have decided to take it up and level up a bit. We are taking 1 of our offices here at the warehouse and turning it into a podcast room. So it will be a professional,
1:08Speaker 0It will look better. It will sound better. So stay tuned. What do we say, Will? Give us ourself about 30 days? We can rock I
1:36Speaker 0man. But, yeah, we will be stepping it up a notch because you guys have been helping us grow. Because of that, we're gonna put some effort into it. It sound better, look better for
1:49Speaker 0is our favorite episode. I think I can speak for Will as well because we love the Q and A. We get a taste of a little bit of you guys, man. We get a feel a little bit about who you are, what type of questions you ask, and we love to dig into these. And the cool thing, is that Will and I talk about these and we answer some of these, we learn, too. We continue to grow and learn and
2:07Speaker 0study, and it's been a blessing, man. And we read through them obviously really quickly, and there's some really rad questions in there, so I'm excited to get after it. You want me to do the honors and start? Do it up. It up. Brand new office, getting in here. All right, so reconstitution
2:32Speaker 0gone back and forth and back and forth and back and forth, and we have studied it and tried it. And
3:04Speaker 1It's a mix of should I tell people the exact concentration? Yeah, I think so. Why not? Alright.
3:52Speaker 0It's taken us a lot of trial and error and trying different things, and here we are. So we are gonna be sending that out with each AOD order.
4:03Speaker 1yes, Absolutely. The thing is too, it's like and we all know AOD is just really hydrophobic.
4:11Speaker 1but this, we even have a bottle that's been sitting there for 30 days. And usually, even with acetic acid,
4:18Speaker 1benzoyl alcohol, if you just basically, like, word of the wise folks, if you get AOD, use it. Don't forget about it after you mix it, and then then come back in a couple weeks and be oh, shoot. I didn't do that. Like, it's going to gel up.
4:49Speaker 1yes, will do it right from now on to to all of the people, and that's what I'm gonna be using. Also, we're experimenting just while we're on that is
5:09Speaker 1it didn't used to, but so we're experimenting with sodium chloride, bacteriostatic water, and that is supposed to
5:21Speaker 1We'll come back to you with some conclusive evidence on different people. But, you know, it's all just like, dude,
5:32Speaker 1do different things to different people. Right? We all have a slightly different genetic makeup.
5:37Speaker 1I have a friend who's a girl who's doing 1. She's like, it it my armpits are super itchy. And it's like directly correlated, not not to AOD, but just to 1 of these peptides. It's just a weird thing. Weird how everybody's body is a little bit different. Yeah. For sure. That's how it is, man. And then and nothing's perfect. Right? We're still figuring this stuff out, but we do know that nothing is
6:06Speaker 0little effects that we're all trying to figure out. Well, on 2, we have never ever pretended to act like we know it all. We have a podcast and we put a lot of effort into it, we study and we learn and we grow, and that's just who we are. But like, we've never said we know it all. So some of the people in the call are like barking at different things. Listen, man, we are work in progress. We do our best. Our goal is, from day 1 has been to educate people and to mainly shine a light on how freaking rad peptides are, But we have never sat on top of the stool singing how great we are because we know it all.
6:38Speaker 0Cut some slack and we do our best and we're going to continue to grow and evolve as all of us should. That's the goal, right? Evolve. Yeah. And too much of the acetic acid can burn, right? Too much of that, if you're just going straight up acetic acid,
7:02Speaker 0is what you're looking for. It's what we have found. Beautiful. Alright. You're out, big dog. Alright.
7:09Speaker 1I've heard you discuss getting your hormones right before getting on peptides. I was wondering your thoughts on testosterone pellets versus injections. JD, I'll let you do this since you've had some experience.
7:27Speaker 0I get that, you know, I mean, I've been doing it a long time and I'm not gonna lie, it just gets old and it sucks and it is what it is, you know, especially if you're doing it
7:35Speaker 03 times a week, which I am right now. A lot of times I do it once a week because I just get tired of pinning and yeah, does it affect estrogen levels a little bit? Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it can.
7:54Speaker 0I've done it all. I've even done a little bit of the cream and that throw that stuff out the window, in my opinion.
8:00Speaker 0But again, if you're somebody that just is maybe getting into it and you just want to try the testosterone pellet, sure.
8:15Speaker 0it myself. I can control a little bit more of the dosage, kind of keeping my levels kind of where I like them,
8:24Speaker 0they release as they release, you know? My understanding of them is as you exercise and do more, if you're more active, it releases more of the
8:34Speaker 0I don't know how true that is because I don't know if I ever noticed any type of difference in it. So
8:42Speaker 0sure, I think that if it's better than nothing, if I had to choose, I would go with the injecting. If you have a problem with injecting,
8:54Speaker 1It's going to be harder to control your levels, Yeah, for sure. I guess that is what I see is like, okay, look, Again, what do we just say? Hey, not everybody's the same. You know? So now we're just forcing you to have with the pellet, you know, this is your dose. Right? And that's what your dose is gonna be for the next 4 months. Right? Well, that's it's a 1 size fits all.
9:16Speaker 1Good luck. Right? I mean, I know a lot of women do you know, that's it's popular for women. Right? Well, I mean, women,
9:26Speaker 1that scares me when there's putting it in. Yeah. There's no taking it out. You know? You can't lower the dose on a pellet. You know, it's in there. So if it happens, you happen to be a woman who's really sensitive to testosterone and now you're just stuck with it, that can be very bad.
9:54Speaker 01 other thing that is not going to be like, I think I've been told it's fairly rare. However,
10:01Speaker 01 of the big reasons I stopped, well, numerous reasons why I stopped using this, just went back to the injections, was my body didn't like the pellets. It would literally push them out. Like they do a little incision on the top part of your butt, and they put that in and it heals supposedly in a week. Well, my injection never healed. It would literally take a month and 0.5.
10:20Speaker 0Because my body didn't want them, they probably thought it was a foreign object obviously and would push them out. I literally would have them pop out. Like my doctor, at least said, Dude, it's like super, super, super rare. And I'm like, Of course, it's me. Yeah. Anyways, I don't know if that's gonna other people are gonna find it. That's my experience. I don't know if I'm it is rare or if it's it's not rare. He just said that, but that was my experience. It wouldn't heal. That cut wouldn't heal, and it sucked. It was so annoying. Probably because you're so damn lean, but honestly. I don't know. My wife laughed, and she was gonna do listen to this for sure. And so me being just mean, like, getting sick of it, I put don't judge me when I say this, everybody. Put
10:57Speaker 0the the what is that? Monkey glue or the gorilla glue to try to like like close the damn thing so it would finally close so wouldn't have a big cut on my butt. But she was like, You are seriously insane. Brilliant.
11:09Speaker 1To hear. Baby, I love you. Do you eat nails also for breakfast? I try. Good job. Yeah.
11:21Speaker 1don't do this. I'd cut 1 out of myself because I didn't want it in there. Everybody tell me that.
11:26Speaker 0Don't do that. Man, we do stupid stuff, man. Let's just let's just call a spade a spade. We we are not the brightest bulbs. That's
11:44Speaker 1during during their growth and their maturation, they will have a scar over their left eye because
11:53Speaker 1kind of blindside, you know, and or reckless. And at some point in time, you're gonna goon into something, you know, run into a cabinet or something like that. I think I have, like, 3 scars on my left eye.
12:05Speaker 0Too soon, man. We're not we're not the bright eyes. That's for damn sure, man. So anyways, I hope that answers it. I don't know, man. I mean, to be honest with you, I would just get the injections. If you're
12:14Speaker 0a woman, maybe that would probably be a little bit easier for you because I know they're huge in that area.
12:19Speaker 0But for a man, just go with the injections, man. I know it's gonna suck at 1st, but guess, dude, it's nothing, man. It's really not big of a deal, and you can control your test levels a lot better. There you go. Yep. My man. There it is. I
12:52Speaker 0everything, everything, everything, everything is the starting point of what is your objective? What are you trying to accomplish? Right? What are your goals? That's where we start. And
13:03Speaker 0we build upon that on any type of question like, are you trying to do? Right? So there you go. What are you trying to accomplish, man? Ipamorelin is great.
13:15Speaker 0I don't know. I don't know what you're It'll looking work. So like, just so we know. How old are you? What do you weigh? Like, what are your goals? Do you work out? Do you not work out? There's a lot of things, but Ipas great by itself. I've done it. There you go. Yep. It'll work. It'll make you it is the 1 that works by activating your ghrelin receptor, which in turn can make you a little bit hungry.
13:51Speaker 1Continued thanks for putting out great content and answering our questions. It's truly helpful. I was on tirzepatide for about a year at 7.5 mg and transitioned to Ordureta over the past few months with no issues. Started low, and I'm about 5 mg once a week. Closing in on those last 5 pounds as I body recomp.
14:15Speaker 1in my fridge, and I'm trying to figure out how best to use it up. Would you recommend alternating between Reta and Zep every week until all 4 pens are used, or should I just switch back to the 7.5 Zepbound for 4 weeks,
14:29Speaker 1and then be done with it? Chiming in on GLP dosing scheduling. I actually like injecting once a week, Sunday evening for me, as it allows me to have a little bit more appetite flexibility on the weekend,
14:43Speaker 1And I found that I'm less likely to notice the side effects if I dose in the evening, yeah,
15:05Speaker 1feeling, right, between tirzepatide and Retta. My guess is with most people are gonna have more of an appetite restricted.
15:18Speaker 1should be just milligram per milligram should be equal. So, like, let's say you're taking tirzepatide,
15:22Speaker 1you know, you're 5.5 mg and you wanna go to Retatr. Cool. Start at 5 mg. That's fine. It's not the same for semaglutide.
15:35Speaker 1Just because it's gonna take your appetite away better. It's not gonna burn fat as much. Right? You're not gonna be able to eat
15:42Speaker 1as much. You're not gonna like food as much. So you can mix those 2 together. I would not take, like, 5 and 5. You know? Hell, dude, if you wanna take 2.5 and 2.5,
15:52Speaker 1there's your 5 mg a week. You can totally do that. Switch between them. I wouldn't I would only go, you know, do the whole do the tirzepatide until it's gone if you feel like
16:05Speaker 1If you like the Retta better and that's what you want and you just want to not lose your money on the tirzepatide, but you wish you had Retta, then I would almost do like, I would do 0.75 of the Retta and 0.25
16:21Speaker 1So then mostly, really, it still basically feels like you're doing Retta, you're getting all the benefit, and you haven't lost your money.
16:29Speaker 0That's what I'd say. I like it. 1st off, I love this question because this is a thought through and what you're doing is finding your sweet spot. And you say that you know that you like to take it once a week because by the weekend,
16:40Speaker 0you like to do your thing. That's thought through, man. That is strategy. I freaking love it. That's how we think, and I love that you're doing that. So that's freaking awesome.
16:50Speaker 0little bit different of what I've been trying just recently, and this is just, I don't want anybody to mimic what I'm doing. I'm just telling you what I've been trying. So I've added MK-677
17:01Speaker 0quite a bit. I've been on a carnivore for a very long time. I'm adding carbs in and just doing some different things to try some stuff for fun and
17:12Speaker 0and I've never had this problem with MK, but everybody else talks about it. Now I finally know what they're talking about. I am hungry as hell. I'm just freaking hungry, dude.
17:22Speaker 0So I'm trying to tin that down at night, especially at night, man. I'm just munchy. I'm tired. I've worked all day. I've done a lot.
17:29Speaker 0I've been just super hungry and a little bit more munchy than myself. The 1 thing that I love about the carnivore diet is it's just really easy. I eat fat, meat and eggs, that's it. I don't have to think. Now I have to do a lot of different things. And when I have carbs, I want more carbs. Right? So here's my answer. I am being trying a little bit of Retta and a little Retatrzepatide.
17:48Speaker 0I'm doing a little bit of both. I take it in the morning. I don't really have problems with nausea.
17:55Speaker 0But yeah, I am trying a little bit of both. So to answer your question, sure. Try a little bit of both, man. I mean, I don't think you should waste it. This stuff's expensive, man. And just because we think Reta is a better compound doesn't mean that tirzepatide sucks and you shouldn't do it. Tirzepatide's great, man. So yeah, don't waste it. Try a little bit of both. Not going to kill you. You're going get the benefits of Retta.
18:26Speaker 0We've talked about Reta that like the pound for pound best peptide, but it doesn't mean she's uptight isn't good as well.
19:02Speaker 0Do I keep Retta and heal the gut 1st? Thank you for the info. Appreciate both of you. You wanna run that 1st? You want me to go? Sure.
19:32Speaker 1since your body wasn't used to all that 50, you should be able to get it off decently well. But the RET are you doing 1.25 mg a week. Okay? Like the starting dose is
19:46Speaker 1I think the fact that you've only lost 10 pounds in 7 weeks means that you should take more of that.
19:55Speaker 1mgs per manufacturer a week. I would at least go there. I think that most people kind of find after a slow titration to find that about 5 mg a week is their sweet spot. So you are,
20:17Speaker 1lose weight 1st? Well, I think that healing your gut needs to happen now, but guess what? So
20:23Speaker 1can losing the weight. And the fact is you take Retta, you'll be eating smaller portions, maybe not eating as frequently.
20:29Speaker 1You'll be giving your gut and your kidneys and liver a little bit more of a break and let them heal up. So I would be taking I would I mean, so my suggestion would be to heal the gut would be to take this peptide called TriHeal.
21:23Speaker 1That's all I got for you. And I think that will help, and I think that's the best thing you can do. Yeah, I'd definitely increase the 1.25
21:34Speaker 0You need to up that dose. You know, you can lose it and then go down. Obviously, you don't have to stay higher, but I'd definitely go up
21:41Speaker 0minimum 3 megs, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I would start there. So go up to that. Monday,
21:48Speaker 0I'm gonna throw a little bit of a curve ball at you, is I'm going to, because gut problems, we all deal with autoimmune and we all deal with gut problems. It's the food, it's the seed oils, it's the air, it's all the above.
22:17Speaker 0except for black coffee breakfast. I mean, you can have black coffee. There's no butter in it. There's no cream in it that would break the fast. So why don't you just try to cut out breakfast and eat from 12 to 8 just for a bit, just for a while,
22:32Speaker 0When you get to the 16 hour mark is when your body goes into autophagy, and what that means is your dead and dying cells die off and brand new ones take their place, rejuvenated cells. So that's gonna help your gut.
22:47Speaker 0you're going to lose some weight with that as well because you're eating less. So I think that is what I would recommend. Add some fasting in, up the Reta and
23:05Speaker 1it floods you with T regulatory cells. So basically, it tells your immune system if it's overactive to slow
23:20Speaker 1research has shown if you have like an active flare up of whatever autoimmune disorder you're on, it may not be a good idea to take that right during that flare up. So I just kind of want to put that disclaimer out, but it's
23:34Speaker 1worth a shot for anybody who has an autoimmune disorder and sure as hell is worth a shot for anybody who is traveling or thinks they're gonna get sick or has, you know, a compromised immune system 100% doing it.
23:51Speaker 1number 1 in inflammation bringing it to my. Yeah. Both of those I mean, it's why, you know, there is no coincidence that the 2 peptides that really work on your, like, thymus
24:02Speaker 1TB-five 100, which is thymosin beta-four and thymosin alpha. And those 2 are your number 1 and 2 for inflammation.
24:29Speaker 1when she stumbled across the podcast. K? I've been hooked on it since. Awesome. 2 questions.
24:39Speaker 1Have you come across or heard anyone having complications using GLP 3 when they have such a disease? I have looked and there isn't much data out there and most refer you back to the doctor.
24:49Speaker 1Australia is still very infant with peptide use and the doctors aren't very much help. Australia is notorious about-
25:10Speaker 1at 2 mgs per week with so I guess here's the question is is do I it's 1 or the other. So a, is either GLP 3 to 12 to 15 mg per week. That's really high. Or Versus GLP 3 at 2 mgs, but also AOD
25:42Speaker 1I absolutely love the knowledge you share and how passionate you are about health and helping people be better. I would love to see peptides and the prioritization
25:50Speaker 1of health through peptides and hormone therapies be celebrated instead of hidden away like a dirty secret. Have a great week. God bless you. Us too. Us too. Us too. Too. We Yeah, man. Scream it from the rooftops, man.
26:01Speaker 1So I love that. I love it does start with it starts with us. Like, again, I have had friends tell me, man, this testosterone has saved my life. Don't tell anybody that I'm taking it. Okay? Like, you asshole.
26:27Speaker 0Care about your worry about yourself. K? Reading my comments, man, it's like people are like, dude, you're on testosterone. I'm like, so? Like, they're throwing it like a tagger like, like, what do you mean? Like, you should be too, man, because you wouldn't be, like, making these type of girly comments, man, if you were on testosterone, bro. And just so you know. Nobody who's talking shit is doing better than you. My friends either on testosterone are working and, like, building companies, man. They're not on comments, like, talking shit. Yep. There you go, bro. Uh-huh. Okay. So now back to your question, dude, and I also really, really appreciate you told us what's what your goals are. That's
26:59Speaker 1helpful. And your age and all this information, and it sounds like you know your stuff and you've been and you've been working at it. Appreciate that. Here is the so we know GLP 3 per manufacturer,
27:31Speaker 1don't want to lose the energy or muscle loss, even though Retatrut dang good about not losing muscle,
27:37Speaker 1primarily because it allows you to still eat and want to eat protein, right, which is which makes you not lose muscle.
27:57Speaker 1lose weight. I bet you lose a lot of muscle and you ain't gonna eat very much food, dude. Like,
28:08Speaker 1to get that high. You wanna titrate slowly with Retta, which brings us to our next point. The 1 thing is
28:27Speaker 1son who has Graves' disease, which I had to look up, and that's basically if we're going to simplify it, like hyperthyroidism.
29:01Speaker 0I'll start with the 1st part 1st. So Graves' is an autoimmune issue and I think almost everybody's has some, even if they don't really know. I think,
29:09Speaker 0you know, for the most part, I won't say 100% because how could I ever do that? But a lot of it will stem from the gut. Our guts are destroyed. We eat crap, we eat poison. I've said it a 100 times, we'll all be redundant for a reason. It's the air we breathe,
29:22Speaker 0just the food we eat, pseudo oil, sugar, all the above is just destroying our gut biome. What that happens is it yields autoimmune issues. I have an autoimmune issue. I've been fighting it myself.
29:33Speaker 0So what I'm going to do is kind of go out like I did on the last 1 and go out in left field for a bit. I would suggest fasting because I'm a huge advocate for it. I've been doing it for 10 years. I freaking love it. Not only because it's just amazing for our health. I mean, people have been fasting since Jesus walked the Earth because it's amazing. We don't need as much food as we think. Like, you know, to not go conspiratorial
29:56Speaker 0on you. They started adding in 3 meals a day to sell product. That happened back in the '20s, blah, blah, blah, Kellogg, all that stuff. So we don't need to eat as much. We just don't. So fasting is amazing. If you have an autoimmune, I'm not going to say it's going to cure it. It can greatly help it. It's not going to hurt it. So I would say do that. If you do kind of similar to the last question, start slow. Just cut out breakfast, just sit, cut out breakfast, man. When I did, I thought I was gonna die. Oh my God, I can't wait for 12. Oh my God. Like, you gotta retrain your brain. And when you start to do hard shit, like your body becomes stronger, your mind becomes stronger, like we're callusing our mind to be better humans anyway. So I get off on that stuff. You know, I talk about it a lot. So
30:40Speaker 0that part's awesome. Empowerment. When you say you're going do something and you do it, you get empowered and you get stronger mentally of the mind.
30:47Speaker 0So all of the above. Start that on your friend. Try then tell them to just do from 12 to 8 Just cut out food and anything from 12 to 8 Just
31:05Speaker 0I would try to clean it up and eat a good meal and then try that. That right there, in my opinion, will at least help the autoimmune issue, in my opinion, and you'll lose some weight.
31:14Speaker 02nd part, that's easy, man. I don't think you should do a high, high dose of the Retta. That stack that you are running is rad. I mean, the GLP-3AOD-5Amino-
31:24Speaker 0SLU-, Tesamorelin. Dude, I've done that exact stack numerous times. That's fire, dude. You're look you're covering so many different bases. You're getting a secretagog for higher growth hormone.
31:34Speaker 1Hands down, easy answer. Go that route. Yeah. And who's to say you can't if you need a little bit more Retta, like, there's no also no problem with maybe if you feel like going slightly higher,
31:51Speaker 0But I hope that yeah. I think that answers that, man. And great question, man. I love the
31:55Speaker 0That's why it's been great, man. Everybody's thinking through their questions. I love it. Yeah. Good for you in Australia. Good job finding it,
32:04Speaker 0We definitely are on Australia because I get a lot of DMs, I love you guys, man. I get so many people asking if our company sends to Australia. Now we would love to, but your government just
32:29Speaker 1So I've been on a killer stack for the past 4 months, and since I've been following the podcast protocol,
32:35Speaker 1I believe it's time to take a month off of peptides to avoid my body from building a tolerance.
32:47Speaker 1should I continue my killer stack or start a new 1? I will keep doing TRT, that's a must, maybe introduce HGH, although my blood work shows I'm in a good range of 2 33 nanograms per deciliter.
34:24Speaker 1always be taking something that's working, but, yeah, give that specific 1 a break and then you can just replace it with something. Well, that's what I do anyway.
34:43Speaker 1the HGH. That also needs to be done long term. So once you start it, just keep going. Okay? You're really only gonna see benefits, you know, after 6 months, a year, and then it starts to get really good. And 5 years later 6 months in, man. You're killing it, dude. Yeah. It's important. Yeah. 6 months minimum for sure. So I would do that now. Okay. So, like, take a okay. So the things that I would keep for sure, and I do think you should give yourself a little break from certain from certain items, but I do think the HGH,
35:34Speaker 1Retta, stay on. Stay on. There's no reason to come off of that unless you unless you want to.
35:41Speaker 1It's always tough pulling out the I think you can you can give yourself a break from the Tesla Ipas since now you're introducing HGH. Okay? I know that we've talked about doing both, and both is probably better. But since you've been running the Tesla Ipah for 4 months, yeah, take take a break, and you got the growth now coming in you.
36:28Speaker 1I don't know, take a week break. You don't really need to take that long break, but I also wouldn't be doing those. I would be doing, I might as well do Clo, right, where you get GHK- CU, BPC, TB,
36:55Speaker 1I'd get 4. Yeah. Yeah. And find some stuff to replace replace. So I'd pull the SLU-3P.
37:01Speaker 1You know, you may want to Carterene. Yep. Replace so we did this. Like, Cardery is very similar to SLU-Ps, not a peptide, but very, very similar.
37:10Speaker 1Well, there's SLU-3P. It's a molecule, small molecule. Yeah. And I don't know. Add try try some like IGF-1LR-3P.
37:40Speaker 1maybe take a couple weeks off of that. When you come back, do MOTS c and SS 31 together.
37:56Speaker 1But dude, sounds like you're killing it and this is time to experiment. Right? Yeah. Take a little break on some of those.
38:12Speaker 0And, I mean, like you said, do you need to take time off? I mean, there's 2 answers to that. Sure, you can. Is it gonna hurt you? Of course not. Is it bad to reboot? No.
38:20Speaker 0You're not talking about gear, you don't need to come off. You don't need to cycle off. You don't need to. You're talking about chains of amino acids for the most part. So you can run them in perpetuity. Most, not all, obviously, like GHKC, you're gonna want to take a break from because it's copper.
38:39Speaker 0November, December, I've gone down quite a bit from my usually take a lot, know, why not? But I've gone down a lot, at least for me, because November December, I'm doing that and just throwing some curve balls into my system.
39:03Speaker 0Yeah, like you said, Clo, he answered it, man. I mean, I would, you could change the Tesa Ipah and try a CJC and try a different
39:11Speaker 0My answer is the HGH is, if you're over 40, you should be running testosterone replacement and HGH. I think almost everybody should. We're deficient in those 2,
39:23Speaker 0those 2 run, just like the MOTS-three and the SS-thirty 1 are like peanut butter and jelly for the
39:33Speaker 0for anybody over 40, in my opinion, the same. They just go so perfectly together. It's a long play for the HGH. As long as you run 2 IU or even 1 or 2 perfectly, you're not running a high dose, man. You're running such a small dose. Where you start talking about problems is like people that abuse it and take too much, man.
39:54Speaker 0So yeah, answered it well. I just piggybacked on a little bit. So final answer, I think you're good. Yep.
40:02Speaker 0Trying to find companies to buy peptides. There are websites that test peptides and you can see the results.
40:09Speaker 0Companies like Peptide Science have mixed results. Some of their peptides got graded in A and some failed their tests that weren't for the most of
40:17Speaker 0the companies that were tested. Now it's got me worried that you can't buy all your peptides from the same company. What's your advice when it comes to buying peptides online?
40:36Speaker 1I These mean, these are are still kind of gray area folks. So we you can't just always expect a 100% perfection.
40:44Speaker 1I don't wanna say anything bad about anybody. You know, peptide sciences has been around for a long time. They're obviously doing something right.
40:58Speaker 1look, make sure that the company has a test, has an independent lab test. Right? Isn't- Channel It isn't yep. Channel shake. Shake. There's a couple other labs out there that that are legitimate. Right? Make sure it's not their own so they didn't just, you know,
41:15Speaker 1Or, like, I've seen tons of sites that say, oh, 3rd party tested. They say it everywhere. And I'm like, Okay, let me see a test. And literally there is the test,
41:26Speaker 1You cannot find it at all. They just say it all over the place. So make sure you can actually see the test.
42:03Speaker 1I have had friends. We know we have a mutual friend who worked for 1 of these bigger companies that's been around a long time. So he worked for him 3 years and he said that they had never tested a single
42:19Speaker 1I've tested we have tested a ton of products. We just got 60 different results back the other day.
42:34Speaker 1I would just make sure, dude. I mean, here's the tough thing is like, just make sure you can see a test. Okay?
42:40Speaker 1And make sure you can see a test on their website and ask them if they will back it up too.
42:56Speaker 1How do you prove you really tested my product? You know, you didn't just show me some bad tests just so you can get some free stuff.
43:05Speaker 1I hope that's, I mean, if you do that, you're aware. Dude, people are aware. People do this all that type all the time.
43:37Speaker 1Oh, that's terrible. Just realize that every other drug that you're taking out there, the legal
44:05Speaker 0you have peptide companies popping up left and right, front and center, blah, blah, blah. They're everywhere, right? Let me just make a suggestion from, you know, some free advice.
44:15Speaker 0You don't wanna go cheap on peptides, man. If you got some guy, your brother's uncle's that's slinging peptides out of his closet, that's a problem. If you're there a lot cheaper than they should be, that's a problem. You know, you don't wanna cut corners when it comes to peptides.
44:28Speaker 0You know, you wanna go with a premium type product simply because you're injecting it into your body. Like obviously,
44:34Speaker 0don't go cheap. Don't seek the cheapest because the cheapest is definitely not better in peptides. Just trust me, man, because everybody and their brother, I mean, we talk to people all the time. I got a peptide company. I'm not really making any money, but like they're selling it out of the back of their truck, so to speak. Just be careful, man. Like, we don't push our stuff.
44:53Speaker 0Ended by now probably with a brand knows that we have a peptide company. We don't push it. We are trying to shine the light on the amazing, amazing, amazing qualities of it.
45:02Speaker 0That's it, you know? But we also want to give you the advice, like, Peptide Science has been around for a long time. So I'm going to tell you that I've never used their products, but anybody that lasts for long periods of times in this industry has to be doing something right. So I'm not going to bad mouth them, whatever.
45:22Speaker 0you get a good feel for, I would buy things buy from companies that you trust. How do you trust them completely? You can't, man. You just gotta go with kind of what your gut and again, don't cheap out. That's it, man, because cheap does not mean better in this industry. See they respond
45:44Speaker 0They have like, like obviously, money to buy good quality products? Because if they don't, they're buying cheap products, man. And I can tell you, with experience of us, we spend a shitload of money to test them. It costs way too much than we would prefer. Trust us. I take the products myself, but more importantly, I give them to my wife. I'm not giving anything to my wife unless I know that it's legit, period. And we
46:05Speaker 1have, right, when people if you don't have not an established company and you are not willing to, when you spend a whole bunch of money on product and then you test it out or you don't test it out or you think it might be subpar,
46:44Speaker 1quality of product, and that's what everybody cares about. That's what should matter. So-
46:51Speaker 0that, but that's kind of a we gotta, as you can imagine, somewhat be a little vague and skate around this blah blah blah, but, hopefully that answers your question, dude.
47:00Speaker 1And I think I would yeah. Message the company. See what they see what they say to you. They respond. Right? If they just tell you to f off or just don't respond, they're probably hiding something.
47:20Speaker 0overweight and tired. I think they meant because I was overweight and tired. It has changed my life to say the least. 12 year old son, this is a good 1. My 12 year old son has apraxia since birth. He didn't start speaking until age 6 or 7. He also
47:50Speaker 0they referred us a doctor to give him Botox in his feet to help relieve the tension to help along with his stretching.
47:58Speaker 0He also has problems in certain areas of learning. So that being said, this question is a 2 parter.
48:05Speaker 0Should I put him on peptides for 1 and 2? What peptide should I put him on? Absolutely love the show
48:12Speaker 0and what you dudes are doing. You want me to jump on this? I got a little bit of Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. So
48:18Speaker 0I had little glimpses of her all throughout my channels. She's amazing. She has a heart of gold. And 1 of the things she did 1st when I 1st
48:28Speaker 0to do this, but she worked with young kids, man, and they had these types of issues walking on their toes and stuff like that. So got I a little bit of experience with that.
48:38Speaker 0I started the carnivore diet 5 years ago was I had an autoimmune issue and I was trying to figure out my head. And I was not the type of guy that wants to go to a doctor and take pills to fix a problem. I'm understanding that my gut was the problem. So I was doing a lot of research is the point of that.
48:55Speaker 0And I stumbled across a show that was dealing with kids that dealt with autism. I'm not saying your son has autism. I'm just talking about this, what came across. And the reason I say that is they
49:11Speaker 0an extremely high fat diet, and I'm talking high fat to the degree where they were melting
49:21Speaker 0And I remember watching this and being so intrigued like, Woah, this is insane. Wow, I've never seen anybody eat that much fat. Here's the
49:34Speaker 0radically improved. And I'm talking like these kids, some of them had like severe autism where they're banging their head against the wall, not talking.
49:41Speaker 0It didn't cure their autism by any means, but they radically improved. Some that weren't talking were attempting to talk, that were banging their hotheads were stopping to do that. And I was just so intrigued. I remember talking to my wife about it. That led to me
49:54Speaker 0starting to study high fat. And anybody that knows me, high fat, high protein is gonna get you ripped. That's where that all began, because
50:01Speaker 0high fat is what I think you should put your son on. Let's take the peptides out for a 2nd and leave those on the sidelines.
50:07Speaker 0Your son's young. You have time for that. I think that you start with diet. Lean1, what is your diet? If he's eating sugar and glucose,
50:14Speaker 0I didn't think that you need to cut that out. I know that's hard. I have a 4 year old and he wants sugar, dude. I get it. But if
50:21Speaker 0you want to help these problems, I truly, truly believe food can heal, whether it's fasting, whether it's food in general. I know Will agrees with this. Diet, diet, diet, diet is gonna be the answer almost always. Some people just don't eat enough. So for your son, try this, brother. I think it's Bill. Bill, try this.
50:37Speaker 0Cut out glucose, cut out sugars. By all means, cut the sugar out, dude. Your son shouldn't be eating sugar. You know, let's try this. Let's put him on a high fat diet and try to cut down the carbs and eat a lot of veggies. I know there's carbs of veggies, but veggies
50:55Speaker 0and try to add some fat on. Like, try that. Milk, coconut oil, and pour it on your son's food. It's not gonna hurt him. So let's try it, man. And I would be happy to talk you through some of what I know about this. I know a lot about high fat. I've been doing it for 5 years. I've studied it. I know it. I've worked with a lot of men, getting them healthy on a high fat diet. So if you have me on social media,
51:23Speaker 0some of the stuff that she's done with kids, the toe walker and stuff like that. She's talked about it forever, so she knows a lot.
51:30Speaker 0Try that. So that's gonna be my answer, man. I know I blobbed a bit, but try a high fat diet. I'm gonna say put the, put the the peptides on the sidelines for now. Let's focus on diet. Yeah.
51:39Speaker 1Yeah. Very good answer. And and try to watch the movie Magic Pills, a documentary that goes over it follows different cultures and children
51:59Speaker 0Think about the 1st thing that we eat. What is it? Breast milk. It's full of fat. Why? Because it develops our brain. So if we just like set and just think logically, God knows what he's doing.
52:09Speaker 0And why is our 1st thing we eat full of fat? Because it's extremely healthy and it develops our brain. So just try that, brother. And again, reach
52:19Speaker 1talking about this stuff and we can help you in any way we can, man. I mean, our brain has to, in order to get fuel, it has to convert our glucose into fat 1st, then it can eat the fat. So,
52:29Speaker 1that process slows the brain down. That's why people on keto diet, right, say that they have way higher mental
52:36Speaker 1clarity. Right? It's because your body doesn't have to do that do that conversion right there. You're just eating the fuel and it goes right to your brain. Cool.
52:56Speaker 1And he was I was getting tattooed yesterday, and he's like, yes. She gets she gets Botox injections in both of her traps
53:25Speaker 1is peptide basically that makes Botox Botox, but without all of the other crap that's in Botox. A lot of That's a great answer. You know, there's a lot of
53:57Speaker 11st of all, love the podcast and the message about health and fitness you guys push. I'm 35 trying to get as lean as possible and only put on lean muscle. K? My diet is locked in, and I'm doing push pull legs, split 5 days,
54:18Speaker 1at night. Retta, MOTS-1C, just finished AOD and 5Amino having 4 weeks of those and will run them again.
54:26Speaker 1But I'm thinking about adding 2 IUs of HGH in the morning, so I'm wondering if I should wait till I'm older.
54:56Speaker 1but at that point is when men's, you know, IGF levels and our growth hormone is really starting to lower. And therefore, if we're supplementing with it, we really start to see effects. Try to tell, you know, 20
55:07Speaker 1year old men who want to do growth, don't even bother, dude. Your growth hormone's fine. So
55:29Speaker 1I think that it is up to you, but if those are working well for you, if the CGC IpA has been working, that means that your growth hormone levels were poly deficient and the HGH probably will work really good for you. So I'm not worried about, like, effects because you're taking it too early and now this is gonna be bad for you. That's not really what worries me much. What worries me is, hey. Are you wasting your money,
55:52Speaker 1because your IGF-one levels are awesome, and do you really need it? So answer would be go get a blood test, see what your IGF-one levels are. Okay? If they are straight optimal, then don't bother. Don't start the HGH.
56:08Speaker 0Yeah, he doesn't say, I'm assuming that if you're on TRT and I'm assuming that's why you're taking the test E, you have done your blood work lately, so I hope that you did.
56:19Speaker 0but I think Will's right. I mean, anything that most things that you're gonna take, if it's fat burners, AOD, any type of secreted cog,
56:26Speaker 0we're going to suggest you do it at a minimum 90 days, probably a 4 month increment would be good. So I think you're saying that you'd taken the 5Amino and the AOD for 4 weeks, definitely run those longer.
56:37Speaker 0You haven't even let them fly yet. So like run those longer and let them do what they do. I mean, we are so
56:43Speaker 0used to wanting things right now. And especially if you do Retta, you might get a little of that touch of getting instant gratification because Retta is the 1 peptide that a lot of people will feel that instantly, but the other ones are going to take time to come into effect. Now, let's add in the HGH, as you said, takes a long time. That is the 1 that is amazing,
57:07Speaker 0it hits his wings, man, HGH is amazing, dude, it really is. And my thing is testosterone replacement and HGH together
57:15Speaker 035s a little young, but I've worked with a lot of men and had a lot of blood work done with them. And
57:21Speaker 0I was blown away by seeing how low testosterone levels were for when if they're 35s. Just,
57:29Speaker 0I didn't even know until I started seeing it, man. I, it's an epidemic out there. So that being said, I think some of the problem is going on too with the HGH and whatnot too. But as Will said, get your blood work, man. Start there. Then you can see 35 is I could go either way. If you're at 40, I would say definitely throw on the HGH. 35s
57:47Speaker 0get your blood work done 1st type thing. And on the other ones, run them longer. Don't mix 2 secretagogues,
57:59Speaker 0HIPAA, and running the HGH, those 2 together will do a little bit better, but not 2 secretagogs, man. You don't need it. It's redundant.
58:19Speaker 1Yep. Yeah. Control. Alright. Cool. You're up. Read it. Take us home. Last 1. Alright. We got just bought AOD-96.04
58:30Speaker 0Want to ask you guys about this combination. If it was good to stack them both and how should I run them? I lost 46 pounds. Awesome. Already trying to lose more weight and get leaner.
58:53Speaker 0will be my 1st time to peptides. Thanks. 1st off, thank you for that. Yeah, you can run those together, absolutely. Again, what's your objective? I'm assuming it's gonna be more fat and you're trying to lose weight. So both of those will help. AOD
59:14Speaker 02 together all the time. So to answer your question, should you do it? Yeah, run it. You
59:26Speaker 0do that. I would even throw the other 2 out and then start with that if you can do can afford all 3.
59:32Speaker 0If your objective is to lose weight, there you go, dude. That will light a fire in your Hey, Retta. So,
1:00:05Speaker 0is a freaking it's a gold mine. Reta, there's nothing that's gonna come close to Reta, but you add AOD on top, dude, and you're literally like lighting a fire
1:00:14Speaker 0under your fat dude. So throw in Reta big dog, try that, and you can throw in the 5 amino as well if you had to choose 2 AOD and the Retta. So so hold on. I'm just I wanna make sure I'm not telling people wrong things. So you have you have AOD
1:00:34Speaker 1Sorry, folks. 2 mils. So I and it's only 5 and it's 5 thou well, it's 5000 micrograms. It's 5 mg AOD.
1:01:36Speaker 1I am a fan of doing testosterone more frequently, not just once a week. You know, you might actually find that the effects
1:02:01Speaker 1and not not just equally. Name of the game is equal. But here's the deal. If you're not having any problems
1:02:32Speaker 1lost a lot of fat and probably a good amount of muscle. And my guess is that you are plateauing, which is why you're trying turning to peptides.
1:02:40Speaker 1So most people when we see, hey, they lose a bunch of weight, that's awesome, right? But then it starts to plateau. Well, why? Because you have lost too much muscle
1:02:56Speaker 1step 1 is do whatever he said. You can absolutely take these, but you need to be lifting weights and eating protein and increasing your muscle, your lean muscle, right? We just want you to add perfectly muscled watch.
1:03:10Speaker 1You feel, you know, can't burn fat. Now we add muscle and now that fat's gonna just melt right off of you. Okay?
1:03:16Speaker 0So I, that's all I know. Circling back around and just kind of ending it because that was the last question. I mean, I don't think we've focused on this enough, unless in on this where peptides are great, we love them. We talk about them. We have a peptide podcast. We are huge advocates of eating and food and diet, diet, diet, diet, diet, diet. I mean, you you're taking red and eating chips and like crap.
1:03:36Speaker 0I mean, really kind of helps with that stuff, but that's what you're doing, man. Like, the whole objective is to live a healthy lifestyle. It's to change your lifestyle
1:03:44Speaker 0so that you live longer and that you live healthier and so you have more energy and that stems from diet.
1:03:51Speaker 0Peptides will help, kind of similar to the TRT, man. Like, this all comes into a bucket and when you get your life in line with your diet, your exercise routine, your
1:04:00Speaker 0peptides and your supplements, if you get those all in line, man, you can age well, you can feel amazing. I'm 48 and probably felt better than when I was 28.
1:04:21Speaker 1you know, with no habits and terribly out of shape, Oh, just take peptides and then I'll be cured of all this stuff. No, no, no. It does not work like that.
1:04:31Speaker 1all that hard work, guys, and nobody's I mean, they call it there's a phrase, like diet and exercise for a reason. Crazy.
1:04:38Speaker 0Too bad, baby. Cool, man. Well, that was cool. 1st episode here at the office. I felt a little weird, but
1:04:45Speaker 0I'm excited for what's coming. You guys have been amazing for helping this podcast grow. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts. And soon you will be sitting us, seeing us sit in the same room with some professional stuff going on. We're gonna elevate because you guys
1:04:58Speaker 0have been amazing to us. So we're gonna try to give you a better show. Absolutely. Get some good guests on. Continue to have good guests on maybe recurring appearances month to month, and you'll get to see us, I don't know. Yeah. Show some more personality and not just be 2 talking heads on screen. I got a question. Will and I always talk about this stuff. Let's throw this out there and get some DMs and stuff. How did you guys like Doctor. Scott Cauley?
1:05:19Speaker 0We're thinking about having him on maybe once a month, something like that. He's a good friend of ours, and he's a smart dude. So shoot us some DMs if you saw that episode and just give us some feedback on that. Other than that, we got to get to work. Anything else before we close this out? Nothing. All right, my friends. We will catch you on the flip side later.