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0:21Speaker 0I think our I I can't speak for Will, but I think I kinda can. This is our favorite episode. We like talking about the q and a, man. We these are cool questions. There's some good questions today. We scrammed through them really quickly. This is gonna be a good 1. Mhmm. I agree. This is my favorite. This is the is the best 1. Yeah. I wanna and I wanna kinda stop for a 2nd and just kinda just I know we say this a lot, but, man, Will, Will is the guy that kinda guy that he's behind the scenes and run the social media. He's on there a little bit, but I'm on there at the main time. Doesn't see all that I see
0:59Speaker 0Just, it blows my mind. We are so grateful for the kind words and just the support. It means so much to us, It warms our heart, 100%. Yeah. Super cool, man.
1:19Speaker 0when it comes to social media, most people know by now, gotta go walk a really thin line, and it's taken time to figure that out. You can get dinged by posting certain things and stuff like that.
1:32Speaker 0avoid that and we would like to talk a lot more freely to you and not have to worry about being so vague and things like that. My point in all that is this, we are building a platform that we're going to be able to have you guys come into if you want and talk a lot more freely. I know we've discussed it and we asked if you were interested and most people said,
1:59Speaker 0doing it so that we can talk freely to you. We're gonna have some rad stuff in it. It's not just having some contact with us. We're gonna have some doctors in there. We're gonna have some just health. It's gonna be, you're gonna be blown away by it. So trust me, we talk through it, we think about it, and we put a lot of strategy
2:46Speaker 0You know, that's obviously being a little vague, but when you see it, you will be stoked.
2:51Speaker 0And if you haven't figured it out by now, Will and I keep compounding and we always are super busy, and then why don't we just keep start doing more stuff? You know what I mean?
3:03Speaker 0But it's awesome, man. We love it. It didn't look consider it a job, man. We love talking about this It
3:08Speaker 0We talk about all the time. We're grateful. So, Will, let's get into it, dude. I'm gonna let you throw I'm gonna throw the 1st 1 to you. I usually start, but I'm gonna give you this 1. Why don't you take over? Go ahead and read the 1st question.
3:18Speaker 1Alright. Here we go. So I am relatively new to peptides, but I've been dabbling. So I ran 5
3:23Speaker 1weeks of Semax, 5 weeks of Selank, and I've been on tirzepatide since February. I just started a combo of BPC, TB, GHKCU,
3:42Speaker 1iliad joint issues stemming from a weight lifting injury a few years back when I forgot
3:51Speaker 1sometimes my body aches in a way it never has before. It feels very similar when you're coming down with the flu or your joints ache.
3:58Speaker 1Is this normal? Red flag. It makes it hard to continue because I dread the ache. I'd also love any input on what I should research
4:08Speaker 1who is stressed to the max and wants all the energy and longevity. Thank you guys for all you do. You're seriously awesome.
4:16Speaker 1I do have some answers and some relation to this guy, so or this woman, but this issue. Sacre Miliad, when I played college football, my SI joint would be popping out a lot, and I'd have to go to the training room. Like, 1 of my hips was, like, up into my body, and I don't know if she feels this, like, trying to, like, bend backwards. She's like, nope, not happening. And it just, I don't know, it just hurt and felt stiff. I had to have the trainers
4:42Speaker 1exercises of me, like, pushing in my knees, you know, laying flat, knees up, feet, soles flat on the ground, knees pushing in against pressure, and then pushing out and then yanking my leg again. And after a while, it would pop back
4:58Speaker 1Yeah. Like, yeah. It would happen to me. Yes. I would you know, you go to the trailer 2 hours before practice every day if you're injured.
5:06Speaker 1And I was always injured. Most people are always injured unless you're a quarterback or something or a kicker.
5:13Speaker 1so I feel you. I think that 1 thing that's going on so, like, hey. With the days that you take your disc, you forget to take it, it hurts more. Well,
5:22Speaker 1it absolutely could be. And I know JD had the same thing. Like, when you're taking that stuff, it's reducing your inflammation. Okay? It's 1st of all, it's not helping the SI joint issue
5:32Speaker 1because that's a structural issue. There's no real healing that needs to happen. Like, that needs to just kinda be popped back into place.
5:40Speaker 1But all the inflammation is gone, so the so it doesn't hurt as bad. So you go hard and you go beat up that joint, right,
5:47Speaker 1but you're not really feeling it because the inflammation is gone. Then when you stop taking the stuff, you basically, like, stop taking the painkiller and masking the pain, essentially. Now it hurts worse, well, because you beat it up
6:06Speaker 1of why I mean and and, like, that's great. You know, you're taking those to combat the injury, but my feeling
6:14Speaker 1that stuff isn't really going to heal that SI joint problem. Okay? It's just helping you with inflammation and masking some of the pain.
6:20Speaker 1You're going to need to go do what I need. Don't know, go to physical therapist doctor, you maybe already did, but it seemed to work for me because I repeatedly
6:36Speaker 0was the question? Go ahead, I'll address the rest of the question. I'm hoping it will help with some SI joint issues. Like, I wish you would elaborate it a little bit more. Like, what issues? Like, is it is it a disc? Is it pinching your leg? Is it pinching your your butt and down into your leg? Is it your nerve? Because that's obviously a slipped disc.
6:58Speaker 0I know so many people say don't get the surgery, but surgery has worked really well for me. These peptides are amazing, but they won't move mountains. They're not gonna heal that.
7:08Speaker 0Should see just to me, I was taking high doses when I was in a lot of pain. Did it help a little? Yeah. Did it help a lot? No. I had a slipped disc. The disc was out and my nerve was being pinched and it just, I was in so much pain. It's hard to even like explain to you how much pain in that I was in. When it comes to
7:33Speaker 0can't say that that would be anything from the peptides. Is it maybe coincidence? Possibly. Could it be? Sure.
7:50Speaker 0If you are, then you stop, that would be it. I can't say you are or you're not, but obviously we have experience with that too.
8:01Speaker 0it's a little vague and I wish I knew a little bit more about what your issues were. If it is a disc problem in a nerve, I can't,
8:29Speaker 0So you and and you and I'm saying, I'm wondering how how often you're taking it because this you should be taking this on a daily basis anyway.
8:37Speaker 0This peptide, you know, clo, and you should be taking it anyway on a daily basis. So you say when you stop taking it, why are you stopping?
8:45Speaker 1on days that she forgets. Oh, okay. Pretty sure. Cool. Cool. So I don't know. Did I answer that? It kinda Yeah. Okay. So I have some she also said, hey. I would love some input. Well, she's a mom who's stressed to the max. I feel you, not the mom part, but
9:38Speaker 1consistently for like a couple weeks, and I absolutely know the difference. So like in our cells, in our mitochondria is where our ATP is created, right, and that's our just cellular energy.
9:49Speaker 1If that is not efficient, if cells are not efficient, your body's not gonna be creating that,
10:05Speaker 1I think it all starts under cellular level, so I would really give it a go with MOTS-three, a milligram
10:12Speaker 1SS-thirty 1, 5 mg daily. So both of those daily, 1 mg, 5 at least 5 mg of SS-thirty 1 and NAD.
10:51Speaker 0I'll kinda like add into that a little bit, some things that we've learned to the or I have in particular.
11:00Speaker 0C and NAD. Great, great, great, great. We'll help you with some energy, cellular energy. What you can also try
11:08Speaker 0the morning, and then midday, if you get a little tired, wait for the NAD and take the NAD around 2.
11:19Speaker 0if you will, He suggested that and I love it. I've been doing it and I think it's great. So try that.
11:33Speaker 0today in general, I came home from the gym and she's like, take him. My son was just my 4 year old is probably gonna be an attorney because he argues with her constantly.
11:48Speaker 1I get it. So, yeah, this will help, man. This will help. Yep. Yep. It'll help reduce inflammation. Right? It's where all, like, our free radicals, which cause inflammation to leak out of the cells when the when it's not efficient.
12:01Speaker 0I do want 1 more thing as I'm catching this, and we we both, I think, overlooked this. You're on the tirzepatide. I would suggest you flip to Retatrutide.
12:08Speaker 0You know, you're probably gonna expect us to say that. Tirzepatide's great. Retrutide is far superior in our opinion. I would try that as well. Yeah, you feel way better. Yep. And it'll work better.
12:21Speaker 1Also, hey. Here's another thing. Hey. You feel low energy? Like, I know if you're antiseptide, probably not eating very much.
12:27Speaker 1K? You'll lose weight, but, like, we need new I mean, you need fuel. You need you need energy, and not only that comes from from food. So
12:37Speaker 1Retta will actually help you eat a little bit more, but, like, eat good healthy and small frequent meals. So it's not like you're gonna gain weight, but you'll actually be getting some of the nutrients that you need to convert to energy.
12:56Speaker 0Is there any advantage to taking MIC b 12 over the regular form? Also, do I need to cycle off bioregulators?
13:06Speaker 0You want me to take that? Yeah, go ahead. I think it's great. I think that that's awesome. I mean, in regards to if you're looking for fat burner, if that's your objective, I would say there's some better ones,
13:25Speaker 0compound them if your objective is fat burning, which I'm assuming it is, I can't assume. Should you cycle off bio regulators?
13:47Speaker 0for a very, very long time. And I would imagine they would say you can stay on them. I don't necessarily know in perpetuity, but probably for a long time. You know, we would say is a good way to do it is 90 days and then a month off. 90 days and then a month off. Another way that probably in my opinion is not as good would be 5 days on, 2 days off. I'm someone that likes to run it 7 days a week. Just don't necessarily agree with that, but it's another form you can do it and people would say that.
14:14Speaker 0And final answer, 90 days on, 1 month off, and also contingent upon what bio regular you are talking about because there's different forms.
14:24Speaker 1yes, there's so like Lipo C, if we've heard of Lipo C, a lot of these sell these things. It's like skinny shots
14:34Speaker 1There's can be different definitions of Lipo C. 1 person could have Lipo C, the other person have Lipo C, and then this 1 has 5 ingredients. But
15:00Speaker 1They help a bit with fat burning. I think, like you said, there's better things out there, but those, the MYC mixed with b 12, is a common
15:09Speaker 1thing to do. And that is the mix, those 2, yes, is better than just b 12. These aren't bad for you. I think there's better stuff if fat burning is your actual goal.
15:22Speaker 1if you had a choice between the MYC plus b 12 or just b 12, I would do the MYC plus b 12. Absolutely.
15:28Speaker 0And then put some AOD on top and some SLU-fifty 3 b 2. Yeah. Depends on what you're looking at. Compound them. Yep.
15:40Speaker 1Please don't think I'm crazy with this 1. Alright. Here we go. This is actually a good this is a good question.
15:47Speaker 1Thoughts on using peptides with teens. Okay? Any research out there. I'm coming up short on my own searches. I have a 15 year old son with, this is an acronym, ARFID, avoidance restrictive food intake disorder,
16:08Speaker 1Super challenging since it's more mental than behavioral. Absolutely. That it right. But then it turns into behavioral because he's eating shit food and feels like shit and has low attention span and etcetera.
16:19Speaker 1The way a g l yeah. The way the GLP-one can assist with food noise and addiction make me wonder. Even some of the energy and anti inflammatory peptides have me intrigued to help him. Maybe I'm crazy. Laugh out loud, I just want to help my kid, and we've tried so many things. Curious on what you guys think on the topic. Also, Ebrexym Creatine HCL brand.
16:41Speaker 0So go ahead, start off. That is a great question. I love that question. We live in a different world,
16:49Speaker 0and our kids have a lot stacked against them. I mean, when I was 15, it just radically changed since then. Their phones are in their faces, they can't focus.
17:01Speaker 0So good on you. You to help your child, absolutely, as you should. Now, this is a loaded question and it is coming up often.
17:13Speaker 0like, wow, this is a great question. And a lot of people are going to want to hear this. And it made me think deeply.
17:17Speaker 0Now, I have 3 children, and so I can answer this in the form, what would I do? So if I had when
17:25Speaker 0my sons are 15 and playing sports, I will have no problem whatsoever giving them BPC-157
17:42Speaker 0I do think a GOP-three would work a little bit, and I'd had to think about this deeply and really put myself in your shoes before I could answer it. And,
17:54Speaker 0you know, my sister, 1 of her daughters was kind of similar, I can't say it to the degree, but like she just ate certain foods like cheese and pizza and
18:02Speaker 0chicken nuggets or something. That's all she would eat, literally. And she was super, super skinny, and it was a battle, you know?
18:09Speaker 0So I would like a little more. Wish I knew, and did she say son or daughter? I can't remember.
18:33Speaker 0in general, is being studied even for addiction. Will and I will tell you that it changes the way that you eat. It does. I've told you a 100 times,
18:48Speaker 0My wife's family started drinking it and I started drinking it. I love it. When I am on Reta, I hate it. It just tastes like shit. It's bizarre. Like, I'll even have 1. I'm like, I just don't even drink it. It tastes like shit. It's bizarre.
19:02Speaker 0I would ease into it. I really would. I would definitely do low dose because here's the thing. And if you're worried about injecting,
19:10Speaker 0if your child's eating a bunch of crap food, he could become diabetic, he's gonna be injecting anyway. So let's cut that off at the head. Like, let's get ahead of that.
19:26Speaker 0It will help with, I think, some of the problems. It will help with the food noise, and I really do think it could change the way that he wants to eat.
20:01Speaker 1And you what you realize is that you're not really unique. Right? I bet there's a ton of other people who's
20:07Speaker 1who are struggling with this as well with their children, but we only know by saying that and telling people what the problems are.
20:25Speaker 1I'm I I don't know. I kind of agree with JD and all of it. Right? If I have a kid that is extremely overweight,
20:32Speaker 1yes, I'm probably gonna give them. I would be okay with absolutely giving them with the GLP 3.
20:37Speaker 1I would start with really small doses. And, again, like he said, you know, if there's just not enough nutrients because there's not enough food coming in, like, what I what we don't want is
20:59Speaker 1and then diabetic because that's all he's eating. Right? And g l p 3 will will slow that and maybe stop that at least.
21:06Speaker 1And it changes. We have so many friends and so many people we know, including myself. I would eat a pint of ice cream if I take that if I take GLP-three.
21:15Speaker 1Out of habit, I literally would still, like, go buy the ice cream and eat it and, like,
21:20Speaker 1just doesn't do it for me. Yeah. It tastes it just tastes like shit. Do it for a while, like, as out of habit, but
21:28Speaker 1Does chunky monkey don't taste like chunky monkey? Right. But, like, this is what I do. So so I'm doing it.
21:55Speaker 1yes, this is all just gonna be bad for him. I guess I don't wanna go into a bunch of other peptides because I keep it limited with a kid. Yeah. Agreed. Because there is not a bunch of research. Right? You're probably right. There's not a bunch of research.
22:23Speaker 0some advice on and questions to them and then back to you. Great. That's a great thing. I I we as you we're just so you all know, we did a podcast a couple days ago that will drop on Monday with a good friend of ours who's a doctor that we trust deeply. He's great at deploying blood work and digging deep into blood work, and he knows so much about it, how this affects this and this. He just digs deep. He's amazing. You're gonna love him. He dropping him Monday.
22:54Speaker 0Christian guy. He's just a man of integrity. He's 1 of my best friends for years. And he's a holistic doctor. Yeah. So he's like, I'm not really a regular person. He
23:03Speaker 0knows peptides, you know, so I would love to get you connected with him. I trust him. We trust him like you'll see him on the show on Monday. You'll love him. He's great. So shoot us DM. Shoot me a DM. I'll go get you connected with him and at the very least talk to him.
23:18Speaker 1Yeah. Brand of creatine? I think so brand of creatine. Dude, I don't know. I've been going to Nutrishops. I'll give you a of Epalo. Not unpaid.
23:32Speaker 1and you can only get a Nutrishop. That seems to work really good. You're looking for, with HCL, at least a gram and 0.5 to 2
23:45Speaker 1It would be cool, and this 1, the infused has beta alanine, I believe, which helps it that's what makes you tingle in pre workout, but it doesn't it is not that much, But that helps with absorption to get in you a little bit better.
23:58Speaker 0Yeah. That's great. And I would like to know if you guys are listening to this, let's talk about the creatine for a 2nd because we'll not discuss,
24:09Speaker 0There's different proteins, and a lot of people don't even know that. So it's a peptide podcast. We don't wanna stray too far from what it is, but if that's something of interest, know, shoot us some DMs. We do would like to dig into that stuff if you would like us to dig into it because it's interesting and a lot of people don't know. Yeah, and we're not talking about brands,
24:27Speaker 0we're talking about actual different forms. Yeah, different forms of protein and creatine and all that stuff.
24:37Speaker 0Our prayers to you for sure. And anybody else listening, if you have some stuff with kids,
24:41Speaker 0we don't know everything, and sometimes if we don't know, we can get you connected to some doctors that we trust and things like that. We do have connections to this wide range of people out there. So ask away, man, ask away. These are great questions, so good on you.
25:48Speaker 1that helps kill off dead and dying cells that are just taking up room and not allowing new cells to be made. Right? So FOX-four
26:20Speaker 110 mgs a day for 5 days. Think it's 10 days day protocol. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe 100 mg. Maybe 100 mg. No.
26:43Speaker 0I'm hearing you said it. I would that's kind of a mic drop, but without a doubt, GLB-three, you need to take it. I think you should. You will see huge, huge improvements all around.
26:51Speaker 0I mean, you can throw in a thymosin Alpha-one. It's for immunity. I would say that goes into a lot of stacks. It's the best 1 for inflammation, which a lot of us have.
27:04Speaker 1I love it. You know? So- This is what cellular damage is gonna cause inflammation. So if there is inflammation, Thymosin Alpha would kill that off, but to stop further inflammation,
27:14Speaker 1then repair your cells. Oh, and what should you not take if you're a diabetic? Right? Any growth hormone, ACEs, creatinine drugs, that that can be
27:31Speaker 1Wondering if I can next question is wondering if I can switch from 40 units of tirzepatide
27:38Speaker 1He does a once a week dose or do I need to taper off 1st? So like, do you need to taper off of tirzepatide and then start
28:08Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, assuming you're mixing it the way that we have thought you are, that's 4 mg. Right? Starting dose is 2.5 mg, max dose is 15 mg. That's like I would say that's still up. So-
28:20Speaker 0And then, so for so you know, some of our experience with people that start with tirzepatide is that tirzepatide
28:28Speaker 0in particular kind of more blocks the hunger and you get used to like that feeling. So when we have seen a lot of people that start with Tirzepatide, that move to move to Retrutide,
28:46Speaker 0literally because they're actually wanting to eat. That's the beauty about it. That's why it shines and that's 1 of the reasons why it's great because you want to eat food. We are not trying to not eat food. That's malnourishment, right? So just know that. Understand that, that it's working. Trust me, it's pound for pound the best damn peptide there is.
29:04Speaker 0But when you starve Richard's appetite, you could be that you just know that they're different. They're they're not the same compound, and you're gonna actually want to eat.
29:12Speaker 1Don't think it's not working. I promise you it is. Right. Like, we've heard like, we've had tons of questions and people are like, I'm sorry. Wasn't working, but I stayed with it and like, holy crap. I am just way more shredded after 2 weeks. Like, yep. Just just just ride. Just follow the process. Yeah. You're right. Stand for it. Okay, you're right. All right, so what should I add? I'm taking CJC-1R:
29:42Speaker 0if I'm trying to lower fat and build muscle? Right? So I tried to word that a little better. Yeah. Yeah.
30:03Speaker 0I wouldn't run the CJC and the Ipamorelin and the Tesamorelin, so I'd use 1 of the 2. I think Will and I will both answer this the same way. I would take out the CJC.
30:39Speaker 0and the Retta, because you're taking the Retta, it will, as long as you're lifting and exercising, you will keep muscle.
30:51Speaker 1is gonna assist in the production of HGH. It's also gonna activate your ghrelin receptor, which actually makes you a little bit hungry. If you wanna build muscle, need food, but Retta will keep you burning fat. So will Tessa
31:12Speaker 0and it's always contingent upon what your ultimate goals are, what your weight is, you know what I mean, obviously, but Retta and MK-677
31:30Speaker 0is gonna give you more muscle. It really is. It's not a peptide, it's a non peptide secretagogue,
31:39Speaker 0again, I hope I didn't confuse the situation, but that will help you gain more muscle if you're really trying. That's your true ultimate goal because it'll make you eat more. Yeah. And I know that sounds counterproductive
31:51Speaker 1for people who are like, woah. Wait a minute. We're taking Retta just to curb your appetite and, like, is it MK-2increase
31:57Speaker 1your appetite? But you're not really taking Retta to curb your appetite, folks. Yeah. That's what the other GLPs do as a side effect.
32:06Speaker 1Retta is doing a ton of other things. It's actually burning fat, and it's not curbing your appetite, but it is making you feel
32:13Speaker 1fuller faster. So you still have an appetite. You can now just eat smaller, frequent more frequent meals
32:24Speaker 1Right. And and so it helps you not overeat too. Alright. Good job on the next page. So up. Right? Yeah. Hey, fellas. Love your podcast. I'm constantly watching and rewatching all the episodes and learning about peptides.
32:37Speaker 1We also learned, by the way, from day 1 of doing this, right, we've learned a lot. And so I don't think we've ever shit
32:44Speaker 1told anybody anything, like, completely wrong, but I'm sure if we had to redo some of those early ones, you know, we could add more and have learned something. Yeah.
32:55Speaker 1So anyway, I watched all the episodes and learned about peptides. Peptides are the future and everyone is starting to catch on. True. Great. I'm about to start NAD and wondering what dosage and how long to run or if I can stay on it year round. Also, is it I'm or a SubQ injection?
33:13Speaker 1Okay. So I'll answer this 1. So personal experience has told me that don't do too much NAD fast. So
33:30Speaker 1you will get some tingling. And if you do way too much, you might get an overwhelming sense of tingling.
33:36Speaker 1I have done that to where I was almost like paralyzed for like 10 seconds of just like tingling.
33:46Speaker 1But was okay. I just breathed through it and it went away. But So I would tell people to, Hey, NAD 3 times a week. I would start with 5 mg
34:00Speaker 1is what I do. So 5 mg, then go to 10, go to 15. And you have your weekend, maybe go to 20,
34:11Speaker 1you will maybe start to feel a little bit of tingling after those injections. Right? You need to do what's comfortable. I also I think about 25 is a good range to that's about where we where you should be. 25, 3 times a week.
34:35Speaker 1into your thigh. It's an insulin needle, so you don't need to you can do it in your thigh
34:48Speaker 1you can just be on it for you don't need to take a break if you don't want to. Oftentimes, people do take a break. You know, it's gonna reduce your
35:12Speaker 1But I stop it. I run about 3 months and give myself a month break and then do it again.
35:17Speaker 0I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna be a little bit different. And then and then, you know, it's kinda funny, man, where NAD is what Will just said in the beginning, how we
35:26Speaker 0are evolving and we are studying and we don't know everything and we don't even pretend to, so I hope we don't ever come off like that. Just, we love this stuff.
35:34Speaker 0And NAD is 1 that's changed over the last year and 0.5 since he and I have been kind of even like talking a lot about NAD. I think what we were doing, I think 1 month, well, we run 1000 mg, taking a month off, then running another thousand milligrams.
35:47Speaker 0But like what you just said, you can kind of run it through and we change, like at least the way that I've kind of ran it.
36:06Speaker 0you could handle that. It's your 1st peptide, so you could go really slow like Will was saying.
36:12Speaker 0I don't think that that would really affect you too much if you did 10 mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Shoot, dude, I do it daily. And like, again, I'm seasoned, so I'm not comparing you to me by any means,
36:37Speaker 0I think either way, if you go with the 5 mgs his way or 10 mgs my way, think they're both low dose that you could get away with it.
36:49Speaker 1and I think that you're gonna love it. Yep. And again, I was only saying 5 mg literally for the 1st injection.
36:55Speaker 0Oh, I didn't I I didn't even to 10, then to 15. Oh, gotcha. Then to 15. Okay. Gotcha. I didn't know that you were. Thought you saying like 5 to 5 extra low. Yeah. Yeah. No. Cool. Because if you go to like a health spa, man, they'll inject you with 1000 mg in an 8 hours, and they're literally injecting you with 1000 mg. Yeah. So you can do a lot.
37:13Speaker 0And it's funny, you a lot of people, everybody's different. Like he just said, he burns with NAD. I'm not so bad, a little bit sometimes, but like GHKCU
37:21Speaker 0for me burns more. And Will says he doesn't burn for him. So everybody's different, man. It is not, and it's the same dose or same they come from the same place. Right? We get them from the same place. It's just different humans.
37:33Speaker 0It's how it is, man. Yep. Yep. How it is. Right? Alright. Yep. Hey, guys. Love the podcast and the q and a. You are always dropping great info.
37:46Speaker 0hundred blend transdermal gel. Curious if it actually does the trick, especially for those
37:56Speaker 0Keep up the awesome work. Fellow friend of Bill, rad. Bill w b. Rad. Yeah. Love Love it. If you know, you know. You know, you know. If you don't,
38:07Speaker 0I've said that to people before. Are you friends with Bill W? They're like, what? Yeah. I I then you're not. Never mind. You get it. You get it. I
38:25Speaker 0for a lack of a better way to say it, would I run testosterone gel? Only if I didn't have any other testosterone.
38:32Speaker 0Like would I run it? Sure, if I'm out of testosterone and it's gone in the world and I can't find it, shoot, give me the gel. Other than that, no. I mean, hard to I would would inject it in my hands and my feet.
38:45Speaker 0I don't know. Oh, hell, I'd go neck next fine. Maybe here, but, like, to be honest, man, I personally,
39:15Speaker 1Okay. 2.5 months, comma, for some reason, I've been experiencing my hand numbing as if it fell asleep only while I'm sleeping. Have you guys experienced these symptoms? Yeah. The 1st 2 months, I did not feel any of those symptoms, and my IGF-one blood work was at 82.7
39:34Speaker 1Makes sense. Nanograms per mil. Yeah. Right. Is it safe to say is Tesamorelin given the symptoms? 100%.
39:41Speaker 0It's safe to say that whatever you're taking is very good. Working. Yeah, it means it's good. It means it's a good like you have good product. We're always wondering if it's good. Your hands are tingling, that means the growth hormone secretagog is working. Yep. Like, what happens a lot on growth hormone for 1, like secretagog, I've never felt it, but I've been on HGH for a long time. So that's probably the why. But it means that it is working, my friend. Yep. Yep. You get a little tingling in fingertips, hands.
40:09Speaker 1knuckles being a bit swollen. Like, those are all actually good signs. So that stuff is working. Also, you know, when you test your HGH, there is no test for actual, like, human growth hormone. Right? What we test is IGF-one,
40:30Speaker 1Are the girl in, like, a very good, like, optimal range. It could I mean, I think, like, top of optimal range for
40:43Speaker 0What's up, fellas? My question is about TRT and monitoring it to get the sweet spot you guys talk about.
40:50Speaker 0Do you run a dose for, like, 2 to 3 weeks before you adjust? What are you looking for to determine which way to go? Increased dose or less?
41:08Speaker 0mg a week of the testosterone hemines a week split with Monday, Wednesday, Friday, great, and 2 mg of anastrozole,
41:23Speaker 0are blood work numbers you are going for? Any concerns to look for? I feel good most of the time, but I also feel like there's
41:37Speaker 0before or after the workout? Great question. Thanks, guys. Love and appreciate your wisdom. Great question.
41:44Speaker 0I love it. You're listening. So do you want me to start? Yeah, go ahead and I'll- Sure. Okay. Yeah. 1st
41:51Speaker 0I love the question you were seeking and you were trying and you were trying to find the sweet spot where we talk about it takes a while. Good on you. You will. Generally, 2 to 3 weeks is good. Mean,
42:03Speaker 0I would say actually more than that. I would say actually a little bit more than that. You're gonna have to see how you feel. Everything that I do in life at 48 years old is I want to find the best version of me, and that means energy level. Like I'm seeking to run at my optimal energy level.
42:21Speaker 0you're gonna have sex drive, you're gonna have bigger, you're gonna have the things that all men want. Those are just the cherry on top of what testosterone does. Now, I do wanna address the in anastrozole
42:45Speaker 0I do not think you probably don't even need an AI at that low dose, and you're coming from a guy that is very gyno prone.
42:57Speaker 0a lot of doctors just don't know, so they do prescribe it to everybody. Only take it if you need it. Like, if you that low dose, I would say you probably don't, and I would, I think 2 Migs,
43:07Speaker 0Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturdays is too much as it is. So I would pull it out and only take it if you need it.
43:16Speaker 0I just can't see that you would need it. Now in regards to so, yeah, so in regards to the testosterone, you're gonna play around with it for a while to feel
43:26Speaker 0go off your energy level, maybe get your blood work tested every 90 days. It's gonna take a while. It's just how it is, know?
43:49Speaker 0most people talk about testosterone. That's your bulk of testosterone, 900. Right? If you're free testosterone,
43:54Speaker 0it's like 2, that's a problem. Why? Testosterone is like your bank account, how much money you have. Your free testosterone is like how much money you have in your wallet. So if you don't have any money in your wallet, you can't spend it. You have no energy of, you know, sex drive, they do work together.
44:10Speaker 0optimal, everybody's a little different. 35 to 45 free testosterone, give or take 900 to 1000 is somewhat optimal.
44:20Speaker 0You know what I mean? And, again, don't take the AI if you don't need it. And then the l a IGF-1LR
44:24Speaker 03, I personally think you should take it before you lift. I've I do that, and I think it works great.
44:32Speaker 1So very good. I think my analogy would be like, your total testosterone is like what's in your 4 0 1 k. Right? And your free testosterone is what you're actually liquid in your bank account. Right? Like, 401 k. It's yours. Right? Cool. You but you just I can spend this. You can't spend it. You can't spend that money.
44:49Speaker 1And your bank account's liquid, and you can actually can. So, really, the free testosterone is what all the only thing that freaking matters. Right? That's all stuff you actually can use. So, okay, this is a very good I mean, it is a good question on the TRT and estrogen
45:09Speaker 1only you know. I think that everything JD said is is absolutely correct, so I'm not gonna reexplain his
45:21Speaker 1yeah. I did 2, 3 times a week. Good job. Like, okay. Here's a couple things I look for. It's like, as a man,
45:30Speaker 1good thing. K? Like, you you that's what you we should be experiencing. If you're starting to feel that on a regular basis, you're waking up like that,
45:47Speaker 1feeling good. Again, I would always say like, Dude, I wish I could take more testosterone just for the mental
45:56Speaker 1fucking big, right, I would love to take more. But unfortunately, more means I'm just gonna grow
46:11Speaker 1I mean, there's charts on these things, but based on your age, right, or testosterone okay, think of it this way. When we're a teenager, right, our test should be around 1000 to 1,200
46:24Speaker 1As we age, right, if you get 30, right, it goes down. I think it's like a 40 year old. They say the natural level should be like 700
46:33Speaker 1That doesn't mean but that's natural. Like, I think you're good at at sitting at, like, 900, like he said. Right? Anything over 1000 is probably a little too much. You know? Your test is a little bit too much. In too much test, you're gonna those energy levels are gonna start slough. So you're sex type will you're sex type will too. Yeah, like, you're gonna start being a little bit more sluggish. Blood's gonna thicken, you know.
46:58Speaker 1testosterone is not a good thing for a human to have, but there is that sweet spot based on how you feel. That's what your blood test should probably be around, but it also depends on how you feel.
47:12Speaker 1and at 140 mg, he doesn't need 1. 1 of the big reasons that we want to take testosterone
47:30Speaker 1more. 1 big injection will make your estrogen raise more than 3 smaller ones. Okay? We're not looking for peaks and valleys. Name of the game is level hormones. So
47:41Speaker 1the harder part, though, is the estrogen. I've actually written kind of a nice guide that helps.
47:46Speaker 1So here are the things you're looking for for estrogen. The 3 side effects are I mean,
47:52Speaker 1there's also an emotional side effect, but the main things is any nipple sensitivity. Okay? If these things are sensitive
48:12Speaker 1you know, with tests, your skin's gonna be a little bit more oily, but really starting to get dotted out, that's estrogen. Okay? That's it. Just like just it's an imbalance. You take your estrogen blocker. Watch, dude. I see people, like, in the gym, girl,
48:31Speaker 1but you're you're you're being dumb and not taking estrogen blocker, bro. In a week, I could fix that, and your life would be so much better.
48:37Speaker 1But so start that's when you start it. And number 3 is exit water retention. So bloating everywhere. If you look in the mirror when you wake up, you're like, damn, I thought I was leaner yesterday. Right? That's a tough 1 to tell until usually people around you notice that because you look at yourself every day. But it is those 3, maybe a little bit more if your estrogen's gonna be high, you're gonna be a little bit more emotional like a woman, same with water retention, women retain water. So those 3 things tell us to take the estrogen blocker.
49:06Speaker 1I would start, when you do, start with, I don't know, a milligram 3 times a week, and maybe that's a little bit high of a dose, but the goal is to kill those symptoms off, okay? So you're gonna take the estrogen blocker, take your Arimidex
49:19Speaker 1until those symptoms are gone, and now we are zeroed out. The goal is to take as little estrogen blocker as you can. Right? We don't wanna take Yeah. Less pills is better.
49:30Speaker 1go for a week. Hey, no symptoms coming back. Now lower it. Maybe take take full pill, 0.5 full.
49:45Speaker 1lower the dose until you go with 1 week, oh, a little bit of estrogen came back up, and then you know last week was my sweet spot,
50:01Speaker 1killing off good estrogen, and your body is gonna go, oh, shit, I need that, and it's gonna start fighting back and artificially
50:12Speaker 1We've all done it. We've all done it. I've done that. I have had to be like, shit, I just need to lower my test, stop the AIS, get my body in balance. Okay? Yeah.
50:21Speaker 1And and there's some people just like like JD is like, he cannot take more than, like, 300 mg of testosterone a week. Like, no matter what, there's there's not enough estrogen blocker in the world. Yeah.
50:32Speaker 1And there's there's so much there's too there's too much estrogen blocker. Right? If your estrogen is too high or too low,
50:45Speaker 1won't stay hard or or you'll have a trouble or not get fully that way. Too low estrogen, if you kill it all off, you just don't care at all.
50:54Speaker 1Those are good signs. I kinda judge myself based on sex drive, to be honest. Like, there's a lot of that's a good telltale sign.
51:27Speaker 1that your muscles are like a sponge and they will it's a nutrient partitioner. Right? So when you're that is gonna help muscle growth. Post workout is gonna growth after. That's when you're taking all the nutrients to actually repair their muscles.
51:59Speaker 1that's your kind of really, really important window and at night. So there's the differences between before and after. I wanna sit on 1 long ones. Think that that, like, what you said is great, and I think some people will miss it. So before,
52:11Speaker 0right, like I do, that's what I prefer. There's not a right or a wrong, what's the objective? If you're going to take it after,
52:18Speaker 0as Will said, we would suggest you eat some protein and some carbs more importantly, because your body's just going go and it's going to use it. Right? You know, you said that, but I think that like people are gonna miss it. Then lastly, I don't wanna kind of say this too long, but like,
52:32Speaker 0I'm gonna state the obvious, let's just because I wanna say it, you are injecting hormones into your body. They are going to change you. They are going to change
52:40Speaker 0and everybody's different. Some people get acne, some people get gyno. We are all radically different. It is not here. You need to take 180 mg because I take it and that's my sweet spot. You're different. Everybody's different. It's going to take time. We've done this for 10 years at least. And so that's 10 years of experience of learning this stuff. It when I started at the beginning, I did not know any of this, and I got gyno all the time. It took a long time to figure it out. These are hormones.
53:05Speaker 1They're gonna change you. Yep. So just know. Do you know I mean? It's needed to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. My biggest telltale sign of too high estrogen is acne.
53:15Speaker 1Like, I know if I'm like, what the hell? I'm a go why why am I getting a why is there a zip on my back? Like, oh, well, that's why.
53:23Speaker 1My I forgot to take my estrogen blocker when I was supposed to. You know? Yep. And then I take it, and they're
53:34Speaker 1that's a huge that's a huge thing. And there's all these people. There's all these bodybuilders do online. I see them like, oh, I don't take any estrogen blockers.
53:51Speaker 1dealt with literally more than thousands of people with Literally. Doing tests and and steroids and taking I've never never really met a person that can take 5 over 4 or 500 megs of tests and not take an AI.
54:05Speaker 0And look- Again, like- Normal. You know, we keep kinda running through a little bit, like, it's so important because we have heard a lot of people like different types of peptides,
54:12Speaker 0whatever, anything that you're injecting, whatever, right, you're injecting these things.
54:23Speaker 0done. It's on paper. It's in a study. Great, right? Like, dude, it matter working with thousands of people and seeing like the results firsthand.
54:31Speaker 0Everybody like taking Retta 1 time at 2.5 because some doctor on TikTok said, listen, that's rad. Run that then. But, you know, we've seen the opposite. So we're gonna tell you the opposite because it's 1st hands on,
54:43Speaker 0no right or wrong, but, like, you know what I mean? It's not 1 shoe fits. Every single person is the point dude.
54:53Speaker 0Hi, JD. I love listening to you and Will's podcast down under in Melbourne, Australia. How freaking cool is that dude?
55:01Speaker 0All right. Love the podcast. It really blows my mind. You guys know so much on peptides and Oz. Are so far behind
55:19Speaker 0She now has nuts and bolts along with plates holding it together. Man, poor gal. She's 45 years old, and I believe peptides
55:38Speaker 0Do you think it is a good place to start? Would you inject 0.5 of the dose into each side of her ankles?
55:54Speaker 0Man, bummed. Man, that sucks for you, man. Take care of your bride. So yeah, I love it. I think that
56:08Speaker 0I know that's kind of, it's just what I mean, I believe it. I think that you could do the Glow Blend,
56:15Speaker 0but you could do a lot of the Wolverine, and I mean a lot of the Wolverine. So, you know, I would probably go to that and if you can afford it, inject a lot, and it will help. But,
56:28Speaker 0moving mountains. Like, you know, this isn't Jesus walking on the water. We take peptides and they cure all things. You know what I mean? They are amazing, but there's limits to what they do. I think she has a
56:40Speaker 0broken ankles. Will they kill her broken ankles? No. Will it help expedite the healing? Yes.
56:48Speaker 0dose? As much as you can afford, because it will expedite it. It will, it will, like it will. I'm telling you, I'm living proof. I have lived it. I have used it recently and it made a big difference.
57:03Speaker 0know you guys are behind the curve for lack of a better way to say it. It's your government, man.
57:14Speaker 1So here Here you go. I I would do I would say yeah. You don't wanna do too much copper,
57:24Speaker 1I'd probably say do give it 2.5 mg of BPC and 2.5 mg of TB-five hundred every single day
57:45Speaker 1You know? Just alternate or just a little circle, you know, every other little injection.
57:50Speaker 1That's a perfect world. I know, like, cost can be inhibiting. I wouldn't do any less than 0.5 a milligram of each
58:17Speaker 1but I don't know if you can get that. Or I agree. It should. Yeah. It should. Can't go wrong, baby.
58:27Speaker 0We'll continue. Good questions, man. Those are great. I enjoyed it. That was awesome. Especially that 1 about your child, man. I'm still my heart still sits with you, man, because I am a father and
58:37Speaker 0nothing worse than if something's wrong with our child, man. Is what it is. I went through some stuff with my daughter when she was younger, and it's rough, It's rough. So good on you, and man, fire away these questions,
58:48Speaker 0We love it. We love it. We love it. We are so, so grateful for the opportunity just to be able to talk about stuff that we love and just our experience. It's just amazing,
59:00Speaker 0Shoot us DM, shoot us however you can get ahold of us. I'm sure you follow us on Instagram in regards to our Warrior Makers page. You have my page and now Will's page in regards to social media. They will all be answered. We answer every single 1 of them that sometimes take a little while. And don't send me a question, no offense, to be blunt.
59:19Speaker 0What should I take? Please, I probably won't answer that 1 because the you know what I mean? Like, come on. Like, we get a lot of DMs like that. Like, you know what mean? So
59:27Speaker 1help me out. Yeah. Yeah. Help me out. So and not 15 questions. Right. Right. I wanna gain the most amount of muscle and burn the most amount of fat. Yeah. Like, I know, so do and so does everybody. Like, the
59:42Speaker 0I mean, the questions kinda work out, but, like, you know, save some of the good ones for the for this. You know what I mean? You know? These are great, man. And we learned as we talk about it too. You know, Will and I sometimes talk about it. We're like, oh, yeah. That's actually you know what I mean? You talk through stuff you learn.
59:57Speaker 0Iron sharpens iron, man. Mhmm. That's it. The word. That's awesome. I wanna hear some feedback on what we were talking about where we're gonna bring you into a hub where you're gonna be able to have contact with us. We're gonna be talking freely. We're gonna have access to some doctors and some health stuff and nutrition stuff. I wanna hear some feedback if that's of interest,
1:00:14Speaker 0because it is coming hopefully fairly soon. It's a lot of work, but coming soon. Regardless of the feedback, I suppose it's coming. So Yeah. It's coming. It's coming. But,