Peptide Q&A #15 – Healing Injuries, Teen Peptide Use, GLP-3 Dosing, and Real-World TRT Balance Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-15-healing-injuries-teen-peptide-use-glp-3-dosing-and-real-world-trt/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:09 Speaker 0: Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week Podcast. 0:12 Speaker 0: I'm your host JD 0:14 Speaker 0: Denham and my cohost across the way, William T. Haas. Happy Friday. Happy Friday. 0:20 Speaker 0: This is 0:21 Speaker 0: I think our I I can't speak for Will, but I think I kinda can. This is our favorite episode. We like talking about the q and a, man. We these are cool questions. There's some good questions today. We scrammed through them really quickly. This is gonna be a good 1. Mhmm. I agree. This is my favorite. This is the is the best 1. Yeah. I wanna and I wanna kinda stop for a 2nd and just kinda just I know we say this a lot, but, man, Will, Will is the guy that kinda guy that he's behind the scenes and run the social media. He's on there a little bit, but I'm on there at the main time. Doesn't see all that I see 0:50 Speaker 0: of how just amazing the DMs that we get. Mean, I send some to him obviously, 0:55 Speaker 0: but not all because, you guys are just awesome. So we are so grateful. 0:59 Speaker 0: Just, it blows my mind. We are so grateful for the kind words and just the support. It means so much to us, It warms our heart, 100%. Yeah. Super cool, man. 1:09 Speaker 0: So thank you all for that. And 1:12 Speaker 0: secondly, 1:13 Speaker 0: we've 1:15 Speaker 0: discussed this, but I wanna talk about it really quickly 1:18 Speaker 0: because 1:19 Speaker 0: when it comes to social media, most people know by now, gotta go walk a really thin line, and it's taken time to figure that out. You can get dinged by posting certain things and stuff like that. 1:30 Speaker 0: So we are trying to 1:32 Speaker 0: avoid that and we would like to talk a lot more freely to you and not have to worry about being so vague and things like that. My point in all that is this, we are building a platform that we're going to be able to have you guys come into if you want and talk a lot more freely. I know we've discussed it and we asked if you were interested and most people said, 1:52 Speaker 0: So it's being built, right, Will? We are being- Yeah, it is. 1:55 Speaker 0: It's gonna take a little time. It's taking a lot of effort. We're 1:59 Speaker 0: doing it so that we can talk freely to you. We're gonna have some rad stuff in it. It's not just having some contact with us. We're gonna have some doctors in there. We're gonna have some just health. It's gonna be, you're gonna be blown away by it. So trust me, we talk through it, we think about it, and we put a lot of strategy 2:15 Speaker 0: into it to give you, the listener, 2:18 Speaker 0: the people, 2:19 Speaker 0: the best 2:20 Speaker 0: that we can give. Option, 2:22 Speaker 0: doctors, blood work, it's coming and we're excited. Yep, 2:26 Speaker 1: yep. Information, 2:27 Speaker 1: different 2:28 Speaker 1: sourcing of 2:30 Speaker 1: good supplements and different supplements and yes. 2:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor's contact, 2:36 Speaker 1: access, education, 2:37 Speaker 1: like everything 2:39 Speaker 1: Health. To optimize 2:42 Speaker 1: yourself 2:43 Speaker 1: all in 1 place. 2:44 Speaker 0: So we are excited. 2:46 Speaker 0: You know, that's obviously being a little vague, but when you see it, you will be stoked. 2:51 Speaker 0: And if you haven't figured it out by now, Will and I keep compounding and we always are super busy, and then why don't we just keep start doing more stuff? You know what I mean? 2:59 Speaker 0: If you keep building, let's do more. Yes. 3:03 Speaker 0: But it's awesome, man. We love it. It didn't look consider it a job, man. We love talking about this It 3:07 Speaker 0: is rad. 3:08 Speaker 0: We talk about all the time. We're grateful. So, Will, let's get into it, dude. I'm gonna let you throw I'm gonna throw the 1st 1 to you. I usually start, but I'm gonna give you this 1. Why don't you take over? Go ahead and read the 1st question. 3:18 Speaker 1: Alright. Here we go. So I am relatively new to peptides, but I've been dabbling. So I ran 5 3:23 Speaker 1: weeks of Semax, 5 weeks of Selank, and I've been on tirzepatide since February. I just started a combo of BPC, TB, GHKCU, 3:31 Speaker 1: and KPV, 3:33 Speaker 1: aka 3:34 Speaker 1: Clo with a k. 3:36 Speaker 1: That's a blend of those 4 items. 3:39 Speaker 1: I'm hoping it'll help with some SI sacrum 3:42 Speaker 1: iliad joint issues stemming from a weight lifting injury a few years back when I forgot 3:47 Speaker 1: when I forget to take it or when it wears off, 3:51 Speaker 1: sometimes my body aches in a way it never has before. It feels very similar when you're coming down with the flu or your joints ache. 3:58 Speaker 1: Is this normal? Red flag. It makes it hard to continue because I dread the ache. I'd also love any input on what I should research 4:06 Speaker 1: next as a 35 year old mom 4:08 Speaker 1: who is stressed to the max and wants all the energy and longevity. Thank you guys for all you do. You're seriously awesome. 4:15 Speaker 1: Okay. 4:16 Speaker 1: I do have some answers and some relation to this guy, so or this woman, but this issue. Sacre Miliad, when I played college football, my SI joint would be popping out a lot, and I'd have to go to the training room. Like, 1 of my hips was, like, up into my body, and I don't know if she feels this, like, trying to, like, bend backwards. She's like, nope, not happening. And it just, I don't know, it just hurt and felt stiff. I had to have the trainers 4:39 Speaker 1: daily just, like, yank on my legs, do some 4:42 Speaker 1: exercises of me, like, pushing in my knees, you know, laying flat, knees up, feet, soles flat on the ground, knees pushing in against pressure, and then pushing out and then yanking my leg again. And after a while, it would pop back 4:56 Speaker 1: in. 4:57 Speaker 1: Daily? 4:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, yeah. It would happen to me. Yes. I would you know, you go to the trailer 2 hours before practice every day if you're injured. 5:06 Speaker 1: And I was always injured. Most people are always injured unless you're a quarterback or something or a kicker. 5:11 Speaker 1: But 5:13 Speaker 1: so I feel you. I think that 1 thing that's going on so, like, hey. With the days that you take your disc, you forget to take it, it hurts more. Well, 5:22 Speaker 1: it absolutely could be. And I know JD had the same thing. Like, when you're taking that stuff, it's reducing your inflammation. Okay? It's 1st of all, it's not helping the SI joint issue 5:32 Speaker 1: because that's a structural issue. There's no real healing that needs to happen. Like, that needs to just kinda be popped back into place. 5:40 Speaker 1: But all the inflammation is gone, so the so it doesn't hurt as bad. So you go hard and you go beat up that joint, right, 5:47 Speaker 1: but you're not really feeling it because the inflammation is gone. Then when you stop taking the stuff, you basically, like, stop taking the painkiller and masking the pain, essentially. Now it hurts worse, well, because you beat it up 5:58 Speaker 0: worse. You shouldn't have done that. Yeah. Get worse. 6:02 Speaker 1: That is my guess 6:06 Speaker 1: of why I mean and and, like, that's great. You know, you're taking those to combat the injury, but my feeling 6:12 Speaker 1: is that 6:14 Speaker 1: that stuff isn't really going to heal that SI joint problem. Okay? It's just helping you with inflammation and masking some of the pain. 6:20 Speaker 1: You're going to need to go do what I need. Don't know, go to physical therapist doctor, you maybe already did, but it seemed to work for me because I repeatedly 6:29 Speaker 1: had that issue. 6:31 Speaker 1: So there's that. 6:34 Speaker 1: What else 6:36 Speaker 0: was the question? Go ahead, I'll address the rest of the question. I'm hoping it will help with some SI joint issues. Like, I wish you would elaborate it a little bit more. Like, what issues? Like, is it is it a disc? Is it pinching your leg? Is it pinching your your butt and down into your leg? Is it your nerve? Because that's obviously a slipped disc. 6:54 Speaker 0: You've probably heard us talk about it, both of us. 6:58 Speaker 0: I know so many people say don't get the surgery, but surgery has worked really well for me. These peptides are amazing, but they won't move mountains. They're not gonna heal that. 7:08 Speaker 0: Should see just to me, I was taking high doses when I was in a lot of pain. Did it help a little? Yeah. Did it help a lot? No. I had a slipped disc. The disc was out and my nerve was being pinched and it just, I was in so much pain. It's hard to even like explain to you how much pain in that I was in. When it comes to 7:27 Speaker 0: achy like the flu, don't necessarily know exactly what that means. I 7:33 Speaker 0: can't say that that would be anything from the peptides. Is it maybe coincidence? Possibly. Could it be? Sure. 7:40 Speaker 0: I would say no. You 7:41 Speaker 0: know, because these are not 7:43 Speaker 0: any type of narcotic. 7:45 Speaker 0: That would be something like if you are you taking 7:49 Speaker 0: any type of painkillers? 7:50 Speaker 0: If you are, then you stop, that would be it. I can't say you are or you're not, but obviously we have experience with that too. 7:59 Speaker 0: Yeah, so again, 8:01 Speaker 0: it's a little vague and I wish I knew a little bit more about what your issues were. If it is a disc problem in a nerve, I can't, 8:08 Speaker 0: I don't know, maybe just see a different surgeons and possibly 8:12 Speaker 0: consider the surgery. You're 35, you would bounce back really well. 8:16 Speaker 0: In my opinion, 8:19 Speaker 0: I'm living proof. 8:21 Speaker 0: Know? 8:22 Speaker 0: And you could take out the 8:24 Speaker 0: Clo and you could do really, really, really, really high doses of the Wolverine. 8:29 Speaker 0: So you and and you and I'm saying, I'm wondering how how often you're taking it because this you should be taking this on a daily basis anyway. 8:37 Speaker 0: This peptide, you know, clo, and you should be taking it anyway on a daily basis. So you say when you stop taking it, why are you stopping? 8:44 Speaker 1: Well, it said she forgot 8:45 Speaker 1: on days that she forgets. Oh, okay. Pretty sure. Cool. Cool. So I don't know. Did I answer that? It kinda Yeah. Okay. So I have some she also said, hey. I would love some input. Well, she's a mom who's stressed to the max. I feel you, not the mom part, but 9:01 Speaker 2: yeah, 9:02 Speaker 1: and wants all the energy and longevity. So here's the deal. Like, as we are stressed, 9:08 Speaker 1: it starts to damage our actual, like, cells internally. Right? 9:13 Speaker 1: The less efficient our cells work, right, our 9:17 Speaker 1: muscles get fatigued more. We get more brain fog. We get tired, etcetera, etcetera. 9:23 Speaker 1: And then the more that happens, the cells get damaged 9:26 Speaker 1: and the more stress that happens. Right? But 9:30 Speaker 1: I'd say 9:31 Speaker 1: I would start taking MOTS-three, SS-thirty 1, and NAD. 9:35 Speaker 1: I'm kind of living I've been taking The same thing. Very 9:38 Speaker 1: consistently for like a couple weeks, and I absolutely know the difference. So like in our cells, in our mitochondria is where our ATP is created, right, and that's our just cellular energy. 9:49 Speaker 1: If that is not efficient, if cells are not efficient, your body's not gonna be creating that, 9:54 Speaker 1: Damn, I feel different 9:56 Speaker 1: now that I have let that build up in me. 10:01 Speaker 1: And I'm also stressed and busy and workout and, like, damaging my body. 10:05 Speaker 1: I think it all starts under cellular level, so I would really give it a go with MOTS-three, a milligram 10:12 Speaker 1: SS-thirty 1, 5 mg daily. So both of those daily, 1 mg, 5 at least 5 mg of SS-thirty 1 and NAD. 10:20 Speaker 1: You know, you're aiming for maybe, like, 3 times a week, 10:23 Speaker 1: 25 mg. Some people take up to 100, 10:26 Speaker 1: but don't start there. 10:29 Speaker 1: Do not start at 100 mg. 10:32 Speaker 1: Yeah. But work your way up. Start at 5 mg 10:35 Speaker 1: per shot and then go up 5 mg until you kind of reach a spot that's comfortable. 10:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, And be consistent. 10:44 Speaker 2: Very Do 10:46 Speaker 1: that for a month. 10:47 Speaker 1: Tell us 10:49 Speaker 1: what changed. 10:50 Speaker 0: Also, 10:51 Speaker 0: I'll kinda like add into that a little bit, some things that we've learned to the or I have in particular. 10:58 Speaker 0: That was what I would say, SS-31MOTS 11:00 Speaker 0: C and NAD. Great, great, great, great. We'll help you with some energy, cellular energy. What you can also try 11:06 Speaker 0: is the MOTS-CNSS-31in 11:08 Speaker 0: the morning, and then midday, if you get a little tired, wait for the NAD and take the NAD around 2. 11:13 Speaker 0: Our buddy Paul, who's 11:15 Speaker 0: very, very, very intelligent peptide guru, 11:19 Speaker 0: if you will, He suggested that and I love it. I've been doing it and I think it's great. So try that. 11:25 Speaker 0: But as Will said, consistency, 11:27 Speaker 0: consistency. Now you're a 35 year old mom. 11:30 Speaker 0: I can tell you from the stress that I see in my bride 11:33 Speaker 0: today in general, I came home from the gym and she's like, take him. My son was just my 4 year old is probably gonna be an attorney because he argues with her constantly. 11:43 Speaker 0: You know? And, like, she's a very calm individual, so I get it. 11:48 Speaker 1: I get it. So, yeah, this will help, man. This will help. Yep. Yep. It'll help reduce inflammation. Right? It's where all, like, our free radicals, which cause inflammation to leak out of the cells when the when it's not efficient. 12:00 Speaker 2: Try that. 12:01 Speaker 0: I do want 1 more thing as I'm catching this, and we we both, I think, overlooked this. You're on the tirzepatide. I would suggest you flip to Retatrutide. 12:08 Speaker 0: You know, you're probably gonna expect us to say that. Tirzepatide's great. Retrutide is far superior in our opinion. I would try that as well. Yeah, you feel way better. Yep. And it'll work better. 12:18 Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. Agreed. 12:21 Speaker 1: Also, hey. Here's another thing. Hey. You feel low energy? Like, I know if you're antiseptide, probably not eating very much. 12:27 Speaker 1: K? You'll lose weight, but, like, we need new I mean, you need fuel. You need you need energy, and not only that comes from from food. So 12:37 Speaker 1: Retta will actually help you eat a little bit more, but, like, eat good healthy and small frequent meals. So it's not like you're gonna gain weight, but you'll actually be getting some of the nutrients that you need to convert to energy. 12:50 Speaker 1: So, yeah, make sure you're eating food. 12:53 Speaker 2: Alright. 12:56 Speaker 0: Is there any advantage to taking MIC b 12 over the regular form? Also, do I need to cycle off bioregulators? 13:06 Speaker 0: You want me to take that? Yeah, go ahead. I think it's great. I think that that's awesome. I mean, in regards to if you're looking for fat burner, if that's your objective, I would say there's some better ones, 13:15 Speaker 0: but it's still good. I mean, why not? 13:18 Speaker 0: What I would say is take that and maybe some 5 Amino or a SLU-PP-three 13:22 Speaker 0: 32 or an AOD, 13:25 Speaker 0: compound them if your objective is fat burning, which I'm assuming it is, I can't assume. Should you cycle off bio regulators? 13:34 Speaker 0: It depends on which 1 you're talking about. 13:37 Speaker 0: Let's just use Selank or Semax for an example. 13:42 Speaker 0: Know, like Russia has used those as antidepressants 13:47 Speaker 0: for a very, very long time. And I would imagine they would say you can stay on them. I don't necessarily know in perpetuity, but probably for a long time. You know, we would say is a good way to do it is 90 days and then a month off. 90 days and then a month off. Another way that probably in my opinion is not as good would be 5 days on, 2 days off. I'm someone that likes to run it 7 days a week. Just don't necessarily agree with that, but it's another form you can do it and people would say that. 14:14 Speaker 0: And final answer, 90 days on, 1 month off, and also contingent upon what bio regular you are talking about because there's different forms. 14:22 Speaker 0: Yeah. And, 14:24 Speaker 1: yes, there's so like Lipo C, if we've heard of Lipo C, a lot of these sell these things. It's like skinny shots 14:32 Speaker 1: skinny shots. 14:34 Speaker 1: There's can be different definitions of Lipo C. 1 person could have Lipo C, the other person have Lipo C, and then this 1 has 5 ingredients. But 14:41 Speaker 1: really, the MYC 14:43 Speaker 1: plus b 12, MYC isn't really a form of b 12. Right? It's methionine, 14:49 Speaker 1: choline, 14:50 Speaker 1: and inositol, 14:52 Speaker 1: I think. Yes. And that is 14:55 Speaker 1: those are their own their you know, those are those help with lipolysis. 15:00 Speaker 1: They help a bit with fat burning. I think, like you said, there's better things out there, but those, the MYC mixed with b 12, is a common 15:09 Speaker 1: thing to do. And that is the mix, those 2, yes, is better than just b 12. These aren't bad for you. I think there's better stuff if fat burning is your actual goal. 15:21 Speaker 1: But 15:22 Speaker 1: if you had a choice between the MYC plus b 12 or just b 12, I would do the MYC plus b 12. Absolutely. 15:28 Speaker 0: And then put some AOD on top and some SLU-fifty 3 b 2. Yeah. Depends on what you're looking at. Compound them. Yep. 15:37 Speaker 2: Alright. My I'm up. Okay. 15:40 Speaker 1: Please don't think I'm crazy with this 1. Alright. Here we go. This is actually a good this is a good question. 15:47 Speaker 1: Thoughts on using peptides with teens. Okay? Any research out there. I'm coming up short on my own searches. I have a 15 year old son with, this is an acronym, ARFID, avoidance restrictive food intake disorder, 16:01 Speaker 1: extremely selective eating fueled by anxiety. 16:04 Speaker 1: He's basically eating a shit diet of processed foods. 16:08 Speaker 1: Super challenging since it's more mental than behavioral. Absolutely. That it right. But then it turns into behavioral because he's eating shit food and feels like shit and has low attention span and etcetera. 16:19 Speaker 1: The way a g l yeah. The way the GLP-one can assist with food noise and addiction make me wonder. Even some of the energy and anti inflammatory peptides have me intrigued to help him. Maybe I'm crazy. Laugh out loud, I just want to help my kid, and we've tried so many things. Curious on what you guys think on the topic. Also, Ebrexym Creatine HCL brand. 16:41 Speaker 0: So go ahead, start off. That is a great question. I love that question. We live in a different world, 16:49 Speaker 0: and our kids have a lot stacked against them. I mean, when I was 15, it just radically changed since then. Their phones are in their faces, they can't focus. 16:58 Speaker 0: Man, my hat goes off to our children. 17:01 Speaker 0: So good on you. You to help your child, absolutely, as you should. Now, this is a loaded question and it is coming up often. 17:10 Speaker 0: And we did read this and I was 17:13 Speaker 0: like, wow, this is a great question. And a lot of people are going to want to hear this. And it made me think deeply. 17:17 Speaker 0: Now, I have 3 children, and so I can answer this in the form, what would I do? So if I had when 17:25 Speaker 0: my sons are 15 and playing sports, I will have no problem whatsoever giving them BPC-157 17:30 Speaker 0: or TB-five hundred or Blend or whatever, 17:33 Speaker 0: none at all. So that part I would do without a doubt. 17:36 Speaker 0: Now when we're talking about this, 17:38 Speaker 0: this is a more challenging issue. 17:42 Speaker 0: I do think a GOP-three would work a little bit, and I'd had to think about this deeply and really put myself in your shoes before I could answer it. And, 17:54 Speaker 0: you know, my sister, 1 of her daughters was kind of similar, I can't say it to the degree, but like she just ate certain foods like cheese and pizza and 18:02 Speaker 0: chicken nuggets or something. That's all she would eat, literally. And she was super, super skinny, and it was a battle, you know? 18:09 Speaker 0: So I would like a little more. Wish I knew, and did she say son or daughter? I can't remember. 18:15 Speaker 0: Is So your child Okay, so 18:18 Speaker 0: is he eating so much crap food that he's overweight 18:21 Speaker 0: or is he not eating enough and getting enough nutrients so he's skinny? 18:26 Speaker 0: That does play somewhat of a role in some of the answer, 18:31 Speaker 0: know? But GOP-three, 18:33 Speaker 0: Retatrutide 18:33 Speaker 0: in general, is being studied even for addiction. Will and I will tell you that it changes the way that you eat. It does. I've told you a 100 times, 18:42 Speaker 0: when I don't take GLP-three, 18:45 Speaker 0: weakness is Diet Coke. 18:48 Speaker 0: My wife's family started drinking it and I started drinking it. I love it. When I am on Reta, I hate it. It just tastes like shit. It's bizarre. Like, I'll even have 1. I'm like, I just don't even drink it. It tastes like shit. It's bizarre. 18:59 Speaker 0: So 19:00 Speaker 0: with that being said, 19:02 Speaker 0: I would ease into it. I really would. I would definitely do low dose because here's the thing. And if you're worried about injecting, 19:10 Speaker 0: if your child's eating a bunch of crap food, he could become diabetic, he's gonna be injecting anyway. So let's cut that off at the head. Like, let's get ahead of that. 19:18 Speaker 0: And, 19:20 Speaker 0: you know, 19:22 Speaker 0: I would try it. I would really try Retatrutide. 19:24 Speaker 0: Start slow. 19:26 Speaker 0: It will help with, I think, some of the problems. It will help with the food noise, and I really do think it could change the way that he wants to eat. 19:35 Speaker 0: Yeah. Say that lightly, because I know this is a very, very delicate 19:39 Speaker 0: delicate 19:40 Speaker 0: subject, but I if I was in your shoes, I probably would do it. Yes. 19:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. Fair. Good. Good answer. This is right. These are just opinions. 19:49 Speaker 1: You're not crazy. 19:50 Speaker 1: I think it's great that you're asking this, and I and I think that and and 19:55 Speaker 1: all of us, like JD and I, have had our own just, like, you know, dark 19:59 Speaker 1: times. 20:01 Speaker 1: And you what you realize is that you're not really unique. Right? I bet there's a ton of other people who's 20:07 Speaker 1: who are struggling with this as well with their children, but we only know by saying that and telling people what the problems are. 20:14 Speaker 1: So it's tough, and of course, you just wanna protect your kid. And I 20:18 Speaker 1: have, 20:19 Speaker 1: I don't know, kind of a kid that now I'm responsible for, but 20:23 Speaker 1: I would. 20:25 Speaker 1: I'm I I don't know. I kind of agree with JD and all of it. Right? If I have a kid that is extremely overweight, 20:32 Speaker 1: yes, I'm probably gonna give them. I would be okay with absolutely giving them with the GLP 3. 20:37 Speaker 1: I would start with really small doses. And, again, like he said, you know, if there's just not enough nutrients because there's not enough food coming in, like, what I what we don't want is 20:47 Speaker 1: for your child now to, like, not wanna eat anything, 20:50 Speaker 1: but he's but JD's damn right. If it's sugar, 20:55 Speaker 1: then we're gonna make I mean, the kid's gonna make himself, like, prediabetic 20:59 Speaker 1: and then diabetic because that's all he's eating. Right? And g l p 3 will will slow that and maybe stop that at least. 21:06 Speaker 1: And it changes. We have so many friends and so many people we know, including myself. I would eat a pint of ice cream if I take that if I take GLP-three. 21:15 Speaker 1: Out of habit, I literally would still, like, go buy the ice cream and eat it and, like, 21:20 Speaker 1: just doesn't do it for me. Yeah. It tastes it just tastes like shit. Do it for a while, like, as out of habit, but 21:28 Speaker 1: Does chunky monkey don't taste like chunky monkey? Right. But, like, this is what I do. So so I'm doing it. 21:36 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think I would say I'd be the same way. Right? 21:39 Speaker 1: Inflammation, 21:40 Speaker 1: so even some energy, 21:42 Speaker 1: inflammation 21:43 Speaker 1: peptides have intrigued you like Thymosin Alpha, 21:46 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem at all 21:48 Speaker 1: giving 15 year old, and that helps with inflammation because 21:52 Speaker 1: and 21:53 Speaker 1: I don't know, just like the last question, 21:55 Speaker 1: yes, this is all just gonna be bad for him. I guess I don't wanna go into a bunch of other peptides because I keep it limited with a kid. Yeah. Agreed. Because there is not a bunch of research. Right? You're probably right. There's not a bunch of research. 22:08 Speaker 1: You're not finding any because there isn't none. Yeah, right. 22:11 Speaker 1: Load the lot. It's coming Yeah, good luck. I mean, heck, 22:15 Speaker 1: you know, feel free to DM us. 22:18 Speaker 1: We have some doctors that we know and will happily 22:22 Speaker 1: pass 22:23 Speaker 0: some advice on and questions to them and then back to you. Great. That's a great thing. I I we as you we're just so you all know, we did a podcast a couple days ago that will drop on Monday with a good friend of ours who's a doctor that we trust deeply. He's great at deploying blood work and digging deep into blood work, and he knows so much about it, how this affects this and this. He just digs deep. He's amazing. You're gonna love him. He dropping him Monday. 22:47 Speaker 0: Shoot us a DM if you're interested. 22:49 Speaker 0: He would be a good guy to talk to. He's just a solid guy, 22:54 Speaker 0: Christian guy. He's just a man of integrity. He's 1 of my best friends for years. And he's a holistic doctor. Yeah. So he's like, I'm not really a regular person. He 23:03 Speaker 0: knows peptides, you know, so I would love to get you connected with him. I trust him. We trust him like you'll see him on the show on Monday. You'll love him. He's great. So shoot us DM. Shoot me a DM. I'll go get you connected with him and at the very least talk to him. 23:17 Speaker 0: Mhmm. 23:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. Brand of creatine? I think so brand of creatine. Dude, I don't know. I've been going to Nutrishops. I'll give you a of Epalo. Not unpaid. 23:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. Whatever he is. I don't know. Nutrishop makes 1 that's called Enfuse, 23:32 Speaker 1: and you can only get a Nutrishop. That seems to work really good. You're looking for, with HCL, at least a gram and 0.5 to 2 23:39 Speaker 1: g 23:40 Speaker 1: of 23:41 Speaker 1: creatine HCL, 23:42 Speaker 1: whereas monohydrates, 23:44 Speaker 1: you need 5 g. 23:45 Speaker 1: It would be cool, and this 1, the infused has beta alanine, I believe, which helps it that's what makes you tingle in pre workout, but it doesn't it is not that much, But that helps with absorption to get in you a little bit better. 23:58 Speaker 0: Yeah. That's great. And I would like to know if you guys are listening to this, let's talk about the creatine for a 2nd because we'll not discuss, 24:04 Speaker 0: should we do an episode on different creatines? 24:06 Speaker 0: Should we do an episode on different proteins? 24:09 Speaker 0: There's different proteins, and a lot of people don't even know that. So it's a peptide podcast. We don't wanna stray too far from what it is, but if that's something of interest, know, shoot us some DMs. We do would like to dig into that stuff if you would like us to dig into it because it's interesting and a lot of people don't know. Yeah, and we're not talking about brands, 24:27 Speaker 0: we're talking about actual different forms. Yeah, different forms of protein and creatine and all that stuff. 24:32 Speaker 0: So for whoever wrote this question, thank you. This was great. 24:37 Speaker 0: Our prayers to you for sure. And anybody else listening, if you have some stuff with kids, 24:41 Speaker 0: we don't know everything, and sometimes if we don't know, we can get you connected to some doctors that we trust and things like that. We do have connections to this wide range of people out there. So ask away, man, ask away. These are great questions, so good on you. 24:55 Speaker 0: Alright, man. I'm up. I have a couple questions. Alright. 24:59 Speaker 0: I have a friend with type 1 diabetes, 25:02 Speaker 0: and 25:03 Speaker 0: are there any peptides he should stay away from completely? 25:07 Speaker 0: Any of that could be very beneficial too. Can you recommend a peptide stack 25:13 Speaker 0: order 25:14 Speaker 0: for total cellular rejuvenation 25:17 Speaker 0: start to finish? 25:19 Speaker 0: You wanna take that 1, bro? Yeah. Sure. 25:22 Speaker 1: Actually, you 25:24 Speaker 1: okay. So to take care of any, like, 25:27 Speaker 1: insulin resistance 25:29 Speaker 1: and diabetes, 25:30 Speaker 1: GLP 3. Done. 25:33 Speaker 2: K? Do that. What I'm saying? It will really, 25:36 Speaker 1: really, really help. 25:39 Speaker 1: Cellular rejuvenation, 25:40 Speaker 1: mark my word, MOTS-three, SS-thirty 25:42 Speaker 1: 1, and NAD. 25:44 Speaker 1: 100%. Fox so FOXO-four is another 1 you can put out there. That helps 25:48 Speaker 1: that helps kill off dead and dying cells that are just taking up room and not allowing new cells to be made. Right? So FOX-four 25:57 Speaker 1: gets rid of stuff, so now new ones can be made. 26:00 Speaker 1: Epitalon 26:01 Speaker 1: is also a really good supplement, but peptide, 26:05 Speaker 1: but you should. That's like twice a year and 26:08 Speaker 1: it really helps kind of detox, 26:11 Speaker 1: reset, 26:14 Speaker 1: but it helps with a bunch of other things. But twice a year, 50 mg, 26:20 Speaker 1: 10 mgs a day for 5 days. Think it's 10 days day protocol. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe 100 mg. Maybe 100 mg. No. 26:28 Speaker 1: 10 mgs a day for 10 Twice a year. 10 days. Twice a year. But MOTS-seventy 26:34 Speaker 1: s 31 n a d. For the cellular energy for sure. Yeah. Right. Cellular repair, 26:39 Speaker 1: which will convert into cellular energy. 26:43 Speaker 0: I'm hearing you said it. I would that's kind of a mic drop, but without a doubt, GLB-three, you need to take it. I think you should. You will see huge, huge improvements all around. 26:51 Speaker 0: I mean, you can throw in a thymosin Alpha-one. It's for immunity. I would say that goes into a lot of stacks. It's the best 1 for inflammation, which a lot of us have. 27:01 Speaker 0: So you can add that in. 27:04 Speaker 1: I love it. You know? So- This is what cellular damage is gonna cause inflammation. So if there is inflammation, Thymosin Alpha would kill that off, but to stop further inflammation, 27:14 Speaker 1: then repair your cells. Oh, and what should you not take if you're a diabetic? Right? Any growth hormone, ACEs, creatinine drugs, that that can be 27:24 Speaker 1: troublesome 27:26 Speaker 1: there. 27:27 Speaker 0: There it is. Yep. 27:29 Speaker 0: Done. Okay. 27:31 Speaker 1: Wondering if I can next question is wondering if I can switch from 40 units of tirzepatide 27:35 Speaker 1: to 40 units of retacitide. 27:38 Speaker 1: He does a once a week dose or do I need to taper off 1st? So like, do you need to taper off of tirzepatide and then start 27:45 Speaker 1: retriptyde 27:47 Speaker 1: and then titrate up? My answer is absolutely not. I mean, basically 27:51 Speaker 1: retriptyline is tirzepatide plus 27:54 Speaker 1: the GCG, 27:56 Speaker 1: a little bit different levels of the others, but no. If you're already taking 40 28:01 Speaker 1: units, you can just switch 28:03 Speaker 1: over to retriptyline. 28:05 Speaker 0: Is a low dose Tirzepatide and Retatrutide. 28:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, assuming you're mixing it the way that we have thought you are, that's 4 mg. Right? Starting dose is 2.5 mg, max dose is 15 mg. That's like I would say that's still up. So- 28:20 Speaker 0: And then, so for so you know, some of our experience with people that start with tirzepatide is that tirzepatide 28:28 Speaker 0: in particular kind of more blocks the hunger and you get used to like that feeling. So when we have seen a lot of people that start with Tirzepatide, that move to move to Retrutide, 28:39 Speaker 0: and because Retrutide, 28:40 Speaker 0: you actually get hungry, so you want to eat. They think it's not working 28:46 Speaker 0: literally because they're actually wanting to eat. That's the beauty about it. That's why it shines and that's 1 of the reasons why it's great because you want to eat food. We are not trying to not eat food. That's malnourishment, right? So just know that. Understand that, that it's working. Trust me, it's pound for pound the best damn peptide there is. 29:04 Speaker 0: But when you starve Richard's appetite, you could be that you just know that they're different. They're they're not the same compound, and you're gonna actually want to eat. 29:12 Speaker 1: Don't think it's not working. I promise you it is. Right. Like, we've heard like, we've had tons of questions and people are like, I'm sorry. Wasn't working, but I stayed with it and like, holy crap. I am just way more shredded after 2 weeks. Like, yep. Just just just ride. Just follow the process. Yeah. You're right. Stand for it. Okay, you're right. All right, so what should I add? I'm taking CJC-1R: 29:36 Speaker 0: you're taking CJC-1R: 29:38 Speaker 0: believe how you're asking it is, should you take Retta or Tesamorelin 29:42 Speaker 0: if I'm trying to lower fat and build muscle? Right? So I tried to word that a little better. Yeah. Yeah. 29:48 Speaker 0: You wanna take that or want me to start? 29:51 Speaker 1: Go ahead. 29:52 Speaker 1: Go ahead. 29:53 Speaker 0: You can go ahead. Trying to build muscle. Okay. So 29:56 Speaker 1: both. 29:57 Speaker 0: I mean, I would actually take out the CJC personally. 30:01 Speaker 0: You've heard us talk about this. 30:03 Speaker 0: I wouldn't run the CJC and the Ipamorelin and the Tesamorelin, so I'd use 1 of the 2. I think Will and I will both answer this the same way. I would take out the CJC. 30:11 Speaker 0: Nothing wrong with it, we just think that it's a better secretagogue, 30:16 Speaker 0: know? So I would run the Tesamorelin and the Retta. Those 2 I would combine, 30:20 Speaker 0: and I would pull out the CJC 30:22 Speaker 0: personally. So the Retta and the Tesamorelin 30:25 Speaker 0: together are a fat burning fire. 30:28 Speaker 0: It will burn belly fat. And the Tesamorelin literally 30:32 Speaker 0: is FDA approved to focus right on your belly and burn it off. 30:36 Speaker 2: Literally. So those together 30:39 Speaker 0: and the Retta, because you're taking the Retta, it will, as long as you're lifting and exercising, you will keep muscle. 30:45 Speaker 1: Yep. And definitely, like, not just Tessa, like he said. Tessa Ipamorelin. Ipamorelin 30:51 Speaker 1: is gonna assist in the production of HGH. It's also gonna activate your ghrelin receptor, which actually makes you a little bit hungry. If you wanna build muscle, need food, but Retta will keep you burning fat. So will Tessa 31:04 Speaker 1: eat some food, keep working out hard, you'll build muscle. 31:07 Speaker 0: I think And there's some other things. Yeah. I think that 1 thing that I like 31:11 Speaker 1: is 31:12 Speaker 0: and it's always contingent upon what your ultimate goals are, what your weight is, you know what I mean, obviously, but Retta and MK-677 31:20 Speaker 0: is a great mix because the MK-677 31:23 Speaker 0: is gonna make you a lot more hungry and the Retta, 31:26 Speaker 0: like, you know, they kind of work together because the MK-677 31:30 Speaker 0: is gonna give you more muscle. It really is. It's not a peptide, it's a non peptide secretagogue, 31:35 Speaker 0: but it does the same as Tesamorelin. 31:37 Speaker 0: So 31:39 Speaker 0: again, I hope I didn't confuse the situation, but that will help you gain more muscle if you're really trying. That's your true ultimate goal because it'll make you eat more. Yeah. And I know that sounds counterproductive 31:51 Speaker 1: for people who are like, woah. Wait a minute. We're taking Retta just to curb your appetite and, like, is it MK-2increase 31:57 Speaker 1: your appetite? But you're not really taking Retta to curb your appetite, folks. Yeah. That's what the other GLPs do as a side effect. 32:05 Speaker 1: Okay? 32:06 Speaker 1: Retta is doing a ton of other things. It's actually burning fat, and it's not curbing your appetite, but it is making you feel 32:13 Speaker 1: fuller faster. So you still have an appetite. You can now just eat smaller, frequent more frequent meals 32:20 Speaker 1: of good nutrients. 32:23 Speaker 1: Yeah. 32:24 Speaker 1: Right. And and so it helps you not overeat too. Alright. Good job on the next page. So up. Right? Yeah. Hey, fellas. Love your podcast. I'm constantly watching and rewatching all the episodes and learning about peptides. 32:37 Speaker 1: We also learned, by the way, from day 1 of doing this, right, we've learned a lot. And so I don't think we've ever shit 32:44 Speaker 1: told anybody anything, like, completely wrong, but I'm sure if we had to redo some of those early ones, you know, we could add more and have learned something. Yeah. 32:54 Speaker 1: Yeah. 32:55 Speaker 1: So anyway, I watched all the episodes and learned about peptides. Peptides are the future and everyone is starting to catch on. True. Great. I'm about to start NAD and wondering what dosage and how long to run or if I can stay on it year round. Also, is it I'm or a SubQ injection? 33:13 Speaker 1: Okay. So I'll answer this 1. So personal experience has told me that don't do too much NAD fast. So 33:22 Speaker 1: a it's a form of, like, niacin, which is what makes people 33:26 Speaker 1: flush red and tingly too. And so if you do too much, 33:30 Speaker 1: you will get some tingling. And if you do way too much, you might get an overwhelming sense of tingling. 33:36 Speaker 1: I have done that to where I was almost like paralyzed for like 10 seconds of just like tingling. 33:41 Speaker 1: Literally couldn't even do anything. Abort. Abort. Abort. Abort. Reverb. 33:46 Speaker 1: But was okay. I just breathed through it and it went away. But So I would tell people to, Hey, NAD 3 times a week. I would start with 5 mg 33:57 Speaker 1: and Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So this 34:00 Speaker 1: is what I do. So 5 mg, then go to 10, go to 15. And you have your weekend, maybe go to 20, 34:06 Speaker 1: 20 5. 34:08 Speaker 1: You know, you'll start if you start to as you go up, 34:11 Speaker 1: you will maybe start to feel a little bit of tingling after those injections. Right? You need to do what's comfortable. I also I think about 25 is a good range to that's about where we where you should be. 25, 3 times a week. 34:25 Speaker 1: Or 34:26 Speaker 1: I'm both of them are okay. 34:29 Speaker 1: NAD really, really, really burns for me. So I'm starting to do it 34:34 Speaker 1: intramuscularly 34:35 Speaker 1: into your thigh. It's an insulin needle, so you don't need to you can do it in your thigh 34:41 Speaker 1: just sitting there watching it. So either or is fine. You 34:46 Speaker 1: can stay on it for you can actually 34:48 Speaker 1: you can just be on it for you don't need to take a break if you don't want to. Oftentimes, people do take a break. You know, it's gonna reduce your 34:56 Speaker 1: body's 34:57 Speaker 1: sensitivity, 34:58 Speaker 1: so you might build a higher tolerance if you don't ever stop. So I I 35:04 Speaker 1: know people who just run it forever, 35:07 Speaker 1: 3 days a week. 35:09 Speaker 1: Every day, shoot. 35:12 Speaker 1: But I stop it. I run about 3 months and give myself a month break and then do it again. 35:17 Speaker 0: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna be a little bit different. And then and then, you know, it's kinda funny, man, where NAD is what Will just said in the beginning, how we 35:26 Speaker 0: are evolving and we are studying and we don't know everything and we don't even pretend to, so I hope we don't ever come off like that. Just, we love this stuff. 35:34 Speaker 0: And NAD is 1 that's changed over the last year and 0.5 since he and I have been kind of even like talking a lot about NAD. I think what we were doing, I think 1 month, well, we run 1000 mg, taking a month off, then running another thousand milligrams. 35:47 Speaker 0: But like what you just said, you can kind of run it through and we change, like at least the way that I've kind of ran it. 35:54 Speaker 0: And I would probably think that you would be okay at going a little bit more. 35:59 Speaker 0: So the risk of saying that, I think that you can do, I think if you did 36:03 Speaker 0: 10 mgs, man, think 36:06 Speaker 0: you could handle that. It's your 1st peptide, so you could go really slow like Will was saying. 36:12 Speaker 0: I don't think that that would really affect you too much if you did 10 mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Shoot, dude, I do it daily. And like, again, I'm seasoned, so I'm not comparing you to me by any means, 36:22 Speaker 0: but I think 10 mg is a pretty low dose of it. I do a lot more than that. 36:28 Speaker 0: But when you hear us talk all the time about 36:31 Speaker 0: you are a science project and you have to figure out you. So, 36:37 Speaker 0: I think either way, if you go with the 5 mgs his way or 10 mgs my way, think they're both low dose that you could get away with it. 36:45 Speaker 0: But again, I appreciate it. I think NAD is a great 1 to start with, 36:49 Speaker 1: and I think that you're gonna love it. Yep. And again, I was only saying 5 mg literally for the 1st injection. 36:55 Speaker 0: Oh, I didn't I I didn't even to 10, then to 15. Oh, gotcha. Then to 15. Okay. Gotcha. I didn't know that you were. Thought you saying like 5 to 5 extra low. Yeah. Yeah. No. Cool. Because if you go to like a health spa, man, they'll inject you with 1000 mg in an 8 hours, and they're literally injecting you with 1000 mg. Yeah. So you can do a lot. 37:13 Speaker 0: And it's funny, you a lot of people, everybody's different. Like he just said, he burns with NAD. I'm not so bad, a little bit sometimes, but like GHKCU 37:21 Speaker 0: for me burns more. And Will says he doesn't burn for him. So everybody's different, man. It is not, and it's the same dose or same they come from the same place. Right? We get them from the same place. It's just different humans. 37:33 Speaker 0: It's how it is, man. Yep. Yep. How it is. Right? Alright. Yep. Hey, guys. Love the podcast and the q and a. You are always dropping great info. 37:42 Speaker 0: Has anyone researched the BPC-157 37:45 Speaker 0: TB-five 37:46 Speaker 0: hundred blend transdermal gel. Curious if it actually does the trick, especially for those 37:52 Speaker 0: tough to pin spots like the hands, feet, and neck. 37:56 Speaker 0: Keep up the awesome work. Fellow friend of Bill, rad. Bill w b. Rad. Yeah. Love Love it. If you know, you know. You know, you know. If you don't, 38:03 Speaker 0: the reason. 38:04 Speaker 1: Good on you. Well, then then maybe good for you. Yeah. 38:07 Speaker 0: I've said that to people before. Are you friends with Bill W? They're like, what? Yeah. I I then you're not. Never mind. You get it. You get it. I 38:16 Speaker 0: love that. So, I don't know. I'll answer it. I mean, 38:21 Speaker 0: no, I don't, I wouldn't, I don't know. I don't know. Mean, that's like to me, to me, 38:25 Speaker 0: for a lack of a better way to say it, would I run testosterone gel? Only if I didn't have any other testosterone. 38:32 Speaker 0: Like would I run it? Sure, if I'm out of testosterone and it's gone in the world and I can't find it, shoot, give me the gel. Other than that, no. I mean, hard to I would would inject it in my hands and my feet. 38:44 Speaker 0: Next, a little bit. 38:45 Speaker 0: I don't know. Oh, hell, I'd go neck next fine. Maybe here, but, like, to be honest, man, I personally, 38:52 Speaker 0: it's a matter of opinion. I would not use it. 38:56 Speaker 2: Yeah. If I had the 38:58 Speaker 0: if I had the injection, I'd there's be no comparison. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. 39:03 Speaker 1: Say it. There you go. Uh-huh. Alright. Next is so sup, warriors. 39:09 Speaker 1: I've been on Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin for 2.5 39:13 Speaker 1: months for some reason. 39:15 Speaker 1: Okay. 2.5 months, comma, for some reason, I've been experiencing my hand numbing as if it fell asleep only while I'm sleeping. Have you guys experienced these symptoms? Yeah. The 1st 2 months, I did not feel any of those symptoms, and my IGF-one blood work was at 82.7 39:29 Speaker 1: in August. 39:31 Speaker 1: September, my IGF-one level is 2 23. 39:34 Speaker 1: Makes sense. Nanograms per mil. Yeah. Right. Is it safe to say is Tesamorelin given the symptoms? 100%. 39:40 Speaker 2: Yes. 39:41 Speaker 0: It's safe to say that whatever you're taking is very good. Working. Yeah, it means it's good. It means it's a good like you have good product. We're always wondering if it's good. Your hands are tingling, that means the growth hormone secretagog is working. Yep. Like, what happens a lot on growth hormone for 1, like secretagog, I've never felt it, but I've been on HGH for a long time. So that's probably the why. But it means that it is working, my friend. Yep. Yep. You get a little tingling in fingertips, hands. 40:05 Speaker 1: People will say, like, carpal tunnel feeling, like knuckles 40:09 Speaker 1: knuckles being a bit swollen. Like, those are all actually good signs. So that stuff is working. Also, you know, when you test your HGH, there is no test for actual, like, human growth hormone. Right? What we test is IGF-one, 40:23 Speaker 1: and the fact that it has risen from 82 to 2 23 means that it's good. 40:28 Speaker 1: Working for you. 40:30 Speaker 1: Are the girl in, like, a very good, like, optimal range. It could I mean, I think, like, top of optimal range for 40:36 Speaker 1: a healthy adult is, like, 300. 40:39 Speaker 1: So, like, keep going, dude. 40:41 Speaker 0: Good stuff. Yeah. 40:43 Speaker 0: What's up, fellas? My question is about TRT and monitoring it to get the sweet spot you guys talk about. 40:50 Speaker 0: Do you run a dose for, like, 2 to 3 weeks before you adjust? What are you looking for to determine which way to go? Increased dose or less? 40:59 Speaker 0: What do you 41:01 Speaker 0: go by to adjust 41:03 Speaker 0: anastrozole 41:04 Speaker 0: weekly dose? 41:06 Speaker 0: For instance, I'm taking 140 41:08 Speaker 0: mg a week of the testosterone hemines a week split with Monday, Wednesday, Friday, great, and 2 mg of anastrozole, 41:18 Speaker 0: which is an AI split, 41:20 Speaker 0: Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. 41:22 Speaker 0: What 41:23 Speaker 0: are blood work numbers you are going for? Any concerns to look for? I feel good most of the time, but I also feel like there's 41:32 Speaker 0: room for improvement. Great. Last question, is it better to take IGF-1LR-three 41:37 Speaker 0: before or after the workout? Great question. Thanks, guys. Love and appreciate your wisdom. Great question. 41:44 Speaker 0: I love it. You're listening. So do you want me to start? Yeah, go ahead and I'll- Sure. Okay. Yeah. 1st 41:50 Speaker 0: off, 41:51 Speaker 0: I love the question you were seeking and you were trying and you were trying to find the sweet spot where we talk about it takes a while. Good on you. You will. Generally, 2 to 3 weeks is good. Mean, 42:03 Speaker 0: I would say actually more than that. I would say actually a little bit more than that. You're gonna have to see how you feel. Everything that I do in life at 48 years old is I want to find the best version of me, and that means energy level. Like I'm seeking to run at my optimal energy level. 42:19 Speaker 0: When you're taking testosterone, 42:21 Speaker 0: you're gonna have sex drive, you're gonna have bigger, you're gonna have the things that all men want. Those are just the cherry on top of what testosterone does. Now, I do wanna address the in anastrozole 42:32 Speaker 0: thing, 42:33 Speaker 0: because you've heard me obviously talk about me being super gyno prone. 42:37 Speaker 0: 140 42:39 Speaker 0: mg a week of testosterone is a pretty low dose, 42:43 Speaker 0: considering like TRT. 42:45 Speaker 0: I do not think you probably don't even need an AI at that low dose, and you're coming from a guy that is very gyno prone. 42:53 Speaker 0: And here's the thing, brother, if a doctor prescribed that, 42:57 Speaker 0: a lot of doctors just don't know, so they do prescribe it to everybody. Only take it if you need it. Like, if you that low dose, I would say you probably don't, and I would, I think 2 Migs, 43:07 Speaker 0: Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturdays is too much as it is. So I would pull it out and only take it if you need it. 43:15 Speaker 0: Yeah, 43:16 Speaker 0: I just can't see that you would need it. Now in regards to so, yeah, so in regards to the testosterone, you're gonna play around with it for a while to feel 43:25 Speaker 0: you feel good, 43:26 Speaker 0: go off your energy level, maybe get your blood work tested every 90 days. It's gonna take a while. It's just how it is, know? 43:36 Speaker 0: And the blood work is gonna tell you kind of like, okay, I'm good at like 900. 43:40 Speaker 0: That's how I know I like to be around 900, do a 45 43:43 Speaker 0: free testosterone. 43:44 Speaker 0: A lot of people don't talk about the free testosterone. 43:46 Speaker 0: Look at it like this. So testosterone, 43:49 Speaker 0: most people talk about testosterone. That's your bulk of testosterone, 900. Right? If you're free testosterone, 43:54 Speaker 0: it's like 2, that's a problem. Why? Testosterone is like your bank account, how much money you have. Your free testosterone is like how much money you have in your wallet. So if you don't have any money in your wallet, you can't spend it. You have no energy of, you know, sex drive, they do work together. 44:09 Speaker 0: So you do 44:10 Speaker 0: optimal, everybody's a little different. 35 to 45 free testosterone, give or take 900 to 1000 is somewhat optimal. 44:20 Speaker 0: You know what I mean? And, again, don't take the AI if you don't need it. And then the l a IGF-1LR 44:24 Speaker 0: 3, I personally think you should take it before you lift. I've I do that, and I think it works great. 44:30 Speaker 0: Nice. What else do got, Will? 44:32 Speaker 1: So very good. I think my analogy would be like, your total testosterone is like what's in your 4 0 1 k. Right? And your free testosterone is what you're actually liquid in your bank account. Right? Like, 401 k. It's yours. Right? Cool. You but you just I can spend this. You can't spend it. You can't spend that money. 44:49 Speaker 1: And your bank account's liquid, and you can actually can. So, really, the free testosterone is what all the only thing that freaking matters. Right? That's all stuff you actually can use. So, okay, this is a very good I mean, it is a good question on the TRT and estrogen 45:04 Speaker 1: balance. We 45:05 Speaker 1: do talk about sweet spots a lot and 45:09 Speaker 1: only you know. I think that everything JD said is is absolutely correct, so I'm not gonna reexplain his 45:15 Speaker 1: explanations. 45:16 Speaker 1: But 45:19 Speaker 1: 1 45:21 Speaker 1: yeah. I did 2, 3 times a week. Good job. Like, okay. Here's a couple things I look for. It's like, as a man, 45:28 Speaker 1: like, 45:28 Speaker 1: erections in the morning, 45:30 Speaker 1: good thing. K? Like, you you that's what you we should be experiencing. If you're starting to feel that on a regular basis, you're waking up like that, 45:39 Speaker 1: testosterone is doing well. I also look for just kind of, yes, energy 45:44 Speaker 1: level, 45:46 Speaker 1: mental 45:47 Speaker 1: feeling good. Again, I would always say like, Dude, I wish I could take more testosterone just for the mental 45:53 Speaker 1: effect. 45:54 Speaker 1: Yep. And if I didn't get 45:56 Speaker 1: fucking big, right, I would love to take more. But unfortunately, more means I'm just gonna grow 46:03 Speaker 0: too big. 46:05 Speaker 1: And 46:07 Speaker 1: yeah, I think that you're 46:10 Speaker 1: for a normal 46:11 Speaker 1: I mean, there's charts on these things, but based on your age, right, or testosterone okay, think of it this way. When we're a teenager, right, our test should be around 1000 to 1,200 46:20 Speaker 1: nanograms per deciliter. Okay? That's on a blood test. Yeah. 46:24 Speaker 1: As we age, right, if you get 30, right, it goes down. I think it's like a 40 year old. They say the natural level should be like 700 46:32 Speaker 1: maybe. 46:33 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean but that's natural. Like, I think you're good at at sitting at, like, 900, like he said. Right? Anything over 1000 is probably a little too much. You know? Your test is a little bit too much. In too much test, you're gonna those energy levels are gonna start slough. So you're sex type will you're sex type will too. Yeah, like, you're gonna start being a little bit more sluggish. Blood's gonna thicken, you know. 46:54 Speaker 1: Having a shortage of exogenous 46:58 Speaker 1: testosterone is not a good thing for a human to have, but there is that sweet spot based on how you feel. That's what your blood test should probably be around, but it also depends on how you feel. 47:08 Speaker 1: He's right about the estrogen. I mean, 47:11 Speaker 1: is gynoprolone 47:12 Speaker 1: and at 140 mg, he doesn't need 1. 1 of the big reasons that we want to take testosterone 47:18 Speaker 1: more frequently than just 1 time a week is because of 47:23 Speaker 1: other hormones. 47:24 Speaker 1: You you have a big lump of testosterone, 47:26 Speaker 1: it's gonna make your estrogen 47:29 Speaker 1: raise 47:30 Speaker 1: more. 1 big injection will make your estrogen raise more than 3 smaller ones. Okay? We're not looking for peaks and valleys. Name of the game is level hormones. So 47:41 Speaker 1: the harder part, though, is the estrogen. I've actually written kind of a nice guide that helps. 47:46 Speaker 1: So here are the things you're looking for for estrogen. The 3 side effects are I mean, 47:52 Speaker 1: there's also an emotional side effect, but the main things is any nipple sensitivity. Okay? If these things are sensitive 47:58 Speaker 1: or itchy, which is like the starting of the sensitivity or look 48:02 Speaker 1: puffy, 48:04 Speaker 1: estrogen is high, it is time to start the estrogen blocker. 48:07 Speaker 1: If 48:08 Speaker 1: you are knowing, 48:09 Speaker 1: like, if you're dotted out, having any acne 48:11 Speaker 1: anywhere, 48:12 Speaker 1: you know, with tests, your skin's gonna be a little bit more oily, but really starting to get dotted out, that's estrogen. Okay? That's it. Just like just it's an imbalance. You take your estrogen blocker. Watch, dude. I see people, like, in the gym, girl, 48:26 Speaker 1: got a bunch of acne and, bro, you're obviously doing 48:30 Speaker 1: Yeah. Too much testosterone, 48:31 Speaker 1: but you're you're you're being dumb and not taking estrogen blocker, bro. In a week, I could fix that, and your life would be so much better. 48:37 Speaker 1: But so start that's when you start it. And number 3 is exit water retention. So bloating everywhere. If you look in the mirror when you wake up, you're like, damn, I thought I was leaner yesterday. Right? That's a tough 1 to tell until usually people around you notice that because you look at yourself every day. But it is those 3, maybe a little bit more if your estrogen's gonna be high, you're gonna be a little bit more emotional like a woman, same with water retention, women retain water. So those 3 things tell us to take the estrogen blocker. 49:06 Speaker 1: I would start, when you do, start with, I don't know, a milligram 3 times a week, and maybe that's a little bit high of a dose, but the goal is to kill those symptoms off, okay? So you're gonna take the estrogen blocker, take your Arimidex 49:19 Speaker 1: until those symptoms are gone, and now we are zeroed out. The goal is to take as little estrogen blocker as you can. Right? We don't wanna take Yeah. Less pills is better. 49:29 Speaker 1: So 49:30 Speaker 1: go for a week. Hey, no symptoms coming back. Now lower it. Maybe take take full pill, 0.5 full. 49:37 Speaker 1: Wait a week. Any symptoms come back? No symptoms come back? Great. Let's now take 0.5 49:42 Speaker 1: 0.5 full. Right? So incrementally 49:45 Speaker 1: lower the dose until you go with 1 week, oh, a little bit of estrogen came back up, and then you know last week was my sweet spot, 49:53 Speaker 1: okay, on the estrogen blocker. 49:55 Speaker 1: You do not wanna take it early. You take that stuff early when your estrogen is good. 50:00 Speaker 1: You're now 50:01 Speaker 1: killing off good estrogen, and your body is gonna go, oh, shit, I need that, and it's gonna start fighting back and artificially 50:06 Speaker 1: making too much. And 50:09 Speaker 1: now you've just screwed yourself and defeated the purpose. 50:12 Speaker 1: We've all done it. We've all done it. I've done that. I have had to be like, shit, I just need to lower my test, stop the AIS, get my body in balance. Okay? Yeah. 50:21 Speaker 1: And and there's some people just like like JD is like, he cannot take more than, like, 300 mg of testosterone a week. Like, no matter what, there's there's not enough estrogen blocker in the world. Yeah. 50:32 Speaker 1: And there's there's so much there's too there's too much estrogen blocker. Right? If your estrogen is too high or too low, 50:38 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a sex drive. Right? Usually, if it's too high, 50:42 Speaker 1: you might have a sex drive, but your stuff 50:45 Speaker 1: won't stay hard or or you'll have a trouble or not get fully that way. Too low estrogen, if you kill it all off, you just don't care at all. 50:54 Speaker 1: Those are good signs. I kinda judge myself based on sex drive, to be honest. Like, there's a lot of that's a good telltale sign. 51:02 Speaker 1: I hope that helped. IGF-1LR-three 51:06 Speaker 1: before 51:07 Speaker 1: so, look, if you take IGF-one before your workout and you eat some intracarbs, 51:11 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a huge pump. Alright? You're have a huge pump and better 51:17 Speaker 1: muscle endurance 51:19 Speaker 1: and strength. 51:22 Speaker 1: That's the reason for before. 51:24 Speaker 1: Taking it after with 51:25 Speaker 1: carbs and protein, 51:27 Speaker 1: that your muscles are like a sponge and they will it's a nutrient partitioner. Right? So when you're that is gonna help muscle growth. Post workout is gonna growth after. That's when you're taking all the nutrients to actually repair their muscles. 51:42 Speaker 1: Instead of before, 51:43 Speaker 1: now our muscles are gonna perform better 51:46 Speaker 1: and look a whole lot better, 51:48 Speaker 1: but 51:49 Speaker 1: not repair as I mean, they're not gonna repair worse, but 51:53 Speaker 1: taking it after with good protein and nutrients, you know, 6 hours after also, 51:59 Speaker 1: that's your kind of really, really important window and at night. So there's the differences between before and after. I wanna sit on 1 long ones. Think that that, like, what you said is great, and I think some people will miss it. So before, 52:11 Speaker 0: right, like I do, that's what I prefer. There's not a right or a wrong, what's the objective? If you're going to take it after, 52:18 Speaker 0: as Will said, we would suggest you eat some protein and some carbs more importantly, because your body's just going go and it's going to use it. Right? You know, you said that, but I think that like people are gonna miss it. Then lastly, I don't wanna kind of say this too long, but like, 52:32 Speaker 0: I'm gonna state the obvious, let's just because I wanna say it, you are injecting hormones into your body. They are going to change you. They are going to change 52:40 Speaker 0: and everybody's different. Some people get acne, some people get gyno. We are all radically different. It is not here. You need to take 180 mg because I take it and that's my sweet spot. You're different. Everybody's different. It's going to take time. We've done this for 10 years at least. And so that's 10 years of experience of learning this stuff. It when I started at the beginning, I did not know any of this, and I got gyno all the time. It took a long time to figure it out. These are hormones. 53:05 Speaker 1: They're gonna change you. Yep. So just know. Do you know I mean? It's needed to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. My biggest telltale sign of too high estrogen is acne. 53:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. 53:14 Speaker 1: 100%. 53:15 Speaker 1: Like, I know if I'm like, what the hell? I'm a go why why am I getting a why is there a zip on my back? Like, oh, well, that's why. 53:23 Speaker 1: My I forgot to take my estrogen blocker when I was supposed to. You know? Yep. And then I take it, and they're 53:29 Speaker 1: gone. 53:31 Speaker 1: And I've dried out and and just fine. So 53:34 Speaker 1: that's a huge that's a huge thing. And there's all these people. There's all these bodybuilders do online. I see them like, oh, I don't take any estrogen blockers. 53:42 Speaker 1: Why? That that inhibits your gains, and they're lying to you. 53:47 Speaker 1: They're they're lying to I swear to God. Like, I've 53:51 Speaker 1: dealt with literally more than thousands of people with Literally. Doing tests and and steroids and taking I've never never really met a person that can take 5 over 4 or 500 megs of tests and not take an AI. 54:05 Speaker 0: And look- Again, like- Normal. You know, we keep kinda running through a little bit, like, it's so important because we have heard a lot of people like different types of peptides, 54:12 Speaker 0: whatever, anything that you're injecting, whatever, right, you're injecting these things. 54:16 Speaker 0: Like, there's, if the science says this on paper, it doesn't mean that's 54:23 Speaker 0: done. It's on paper. It's in a study. Great, right? Like, dude, it matter working with thousands of people and seeing like the results firsthand. 54:31 Speaker 0: Everybody like taking Retta 1 time at 2.5 because some doctor on TikTok said, listen, that's rad. Run that then. But, you know, we've seen the opposite. So we're gonna tell you the opposite because it's 1st hands on, 54:43 Speaker 0: no right or wrong, but, like, you know what I mean? It's not 1 shoe fits. Every single person is the point dude. 54:48 Speaker 0: Wait a minute, man. All right. My last 1, are you off? Yeah, you are. 54:53 Speaker 0: Hi, JD. I love listening to you and Will's podcast down under in Melbourne, Australia. How freaking cool is that dude? 55:01 Speaker 0: All right. Love the podcast. It really blows my mind. You guys know so much on peptides and Oz. Are so far behind 55:08 Speaker 0: the 8 ball, 10 years behind everyone else. I am needing 55:13 Speaker 0: you guys' help. 55:14 Speaker 0: My bride has recently, 5 months, now broken her ankles, both ankles. 55:19 Speaker 0: She now has nuts and bolts along with plates holding it together. Man, poor gal. She's 45 years old, and I believe peptides 55:28 Speaker 0: are the way to help her move forward and get back to her former self, man. 55:32 Speaker 0: I'm looking for BPC-one hundred 57, TB-five hundred, and GHK- 55:36 Speaker 0: I'm assuming the GLO blend. 55:38 Speaker 0: Do you think it is a good place to start? Would you inject 0.5 of the dose into each side of her ankles? 55:44 Speaker 0: What is the dosage recommended? 55:46 Speaker 0: Love listening to you guys. Keep it good work. Man, that was rad. Thank you so much. 55:51 Speaker 1: You want me to start? Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. You got 55:54 Speaker 0: Man, bummed. Man, that sucks for you, man. Take care of your bride. So yeah, I love it. I think that 56:00 Speaker 0: you're on the right course. 56:02 Speaker 0: I'm going to tell you that when it comes to the healing peptides, 56:07 Speaker 0: take as much as you can afford. 56:08 Speaker 0: I know that's kind of, it's just what I mean, I believe it. I think that you could do the Glow Blend, 56:15 Speaker 0: but you could do a lot of the Wolverine, and I mean a lot of the Wolverine. So, you know, I would probably go to that and if you can afford it, inject a lot, and it will help. But, 56:26 Speaker 0: again, these are not 56:28 Speaker 0: moving mountains. Like, you know, this isn't Jesus walking on the water. We take peptides and they cure all things. You know what I mean? They are amazing, but there's limits to what they do. I think she has a 56:40 Speaker 0: broken ankles. Will they kill her broken ankles? No. Will it help expedite the healing? Yes. 56:46 Speaker 0: What's the recommended 56:48 Speaker 0: dose? As much as you can afford, because it will expedite it. It will, it will, like it will. I'm telling you, I'm living proof. I have lived it. I have used it recently and it made a big difference. 57:00 Speaker 0: Yeah, so that's great, man. And I know 57:03 Speaker 0: know you guys are behind the curve for lack of a better way to say it. It's your government, man. 57:09 Speaker 2: It's your govby. They're a little tough on you guys over there in Oz. 57:13 Speaker 2: Yep. 57:14 Speaker 1: So here Here you go. I I would do I would say yeah. You don't wanna do too much copper, 57:21 Speaker 1: GHKCu. 57:22 Speaker 1: But, like, okay, perfect world, 57:24 Speaker 1: I'd probably say do give it 2.5 mg of BPC and 2.5 mg of TB-five hundred every single day 57:32 Speaker 1: in both ankles. 57:34 Speaker 0: Done. 2.5, 2.5, 57:36 Speaker 1: 2.5 57:38 Speaker 1: day. Do that for 30 days. 57:40 Speaker 1: Do it in just, like, like, a triangle around the actual surgery 57:44 Speaker 1: point. 57:45 Speaker 1: You know? Just alternate or just a little circle, you know, every other little injection. 57:50 Speaker 1: That's a perfect world. I know, like, cost can be inhibiting. I wouldn't do any less than 0.5 a milligram of each 57:56 Speaker 1: in each 1. So I said, World, 2.5 meg mgs. 58:01 Speaker 1: You know, don't don't give me less than 0.5 a meg of each BPC and TB 58:07 Speaker 1: in each every day. 58:09 Speaker 1: It will heat it'll help. It'll help. It'll help. It'll help. It'll help. 58:13 Speaker 1: Poor gal, man. Oh, also, I'd probably do 2 IUs of HGH, 58:17 Speaker 1: but I don't know if you can get that. Or I agree. It should. Yeah. It should. Can't go wrong, baby. 58:24 Speaker 1: And then she can stop it after, but yeah. 58:27 Speaker 0: We'll continue. Good questions, man. Those are great. I enjoyed it. That was awesome. Especially that 1 about your child, man. I'm still my heart still sits with you, man, because I am a father and 58:37 Speaker 0: nothing worse than if something's wrong with our child, man. Is what it is. I went through some stuff with my daughter when she was younger, and it's rough, It's rough. So good on you, and man, fire away these questions, 58:48 Speaker 0: We love it. We love it. We love it. We are so, so grateful for the opportunity just to be able to talk about stuff that we love and just our experience. It's just amazing, 58:58 Speaker 0: So, thank you so much for listening. 59:00 Speaker 0: Shoot us DM, shoot us however you can get ahold of us. I'm sure you follow us on Instagram in regards to our Warrior Makers page. You have my page and now Will's page in regards to social media. They will all be answered. We answer every single 1 of them that sometimes take a little while. And don't send me a question, no offense, to be blunt. 59:19 Speaker 0: What should I take? Please, I probably won't answer that 1 because the you know what I mean? Like, come on. Like, we get a lot of DMs like that. Like, you know what mean? So 59:27 Speaker 1: help me out. Yeah. Yeah. Help me out. So and not 15 questions. Right. Right. I wanna gain the most amount of muscle and burn the most amount of fat. Yeah. Like, I know, so do and so does everybody. Like, the 59:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 59:40 Speaker 0: And and, you know, like, 59:42 Speaker 0: I mean, the questions kinda work out, but, like, you know, save some of the good ones for the for this. You know what I mean? You know? These are great, man. And we learned as we talk about it too. You know, Will and I sometimes talk about it. We're like, oh, yeah. That's actually you know what I mean? You talk through stuff you learn. 59:57 Speaker 0: Iron sharpens iron, man. Mhmm. That's it. The word. That's awesome. I wanna hear some feedback on what we were talking about where we're gonna bring you into a hub where you're gonna be able to have contact with us. We're gonna be talking freely. We're gonna have access to some doctors and some health stuff and nutrition stuff. I wanna hear some feedback if that's of interest, 1:00:14 Speaker 0: because it is coming hopefully fairly soon. It's a lot of work, but coming soon. Regardless of the feedback, I suppose it's coming. So Yeah. It's coming. It's coming. But, 1:00:25 Speaker 0: yeah, I'm not gonna wrap up. Enough feedback. 1:00:29 Speaker 1: We would absolutely do it, like, right yeah. Dude, we'll we'll 1:00:33 Speaker 1: send invites and anything else, any other special requests, 100%. 1:00:38 Speaker 0: Good stuff. Right on, man. Well, anything else you got? 1:00:42 Speaker 0: Alright, my friends. We will catch you next time. Take care. Good night.