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0:28Speaker 0across the screen as always, Mr. William T. Haws. What's up, dude? What's up, man? I'm,
0:54Speaker 0Ready to rock. Today's gonna be the episode of the Q and A. We ran through them really quickly just to see what we got on
1:01Speaker 0the plate and great questions. As always, we're excited to get into it. So without further ado, let me kick us off, man. Let me get after it. So,
2:04Speaker 0or should I wait until 90 minutes after the post workout food, then inject and then wait 30 minutes or more before the food? Thanks for all the info putting out there to help keep us on track through this journey.
2:24Speaker 0who follows my channel probably knows that. So my suggestion, which might be different than Will's, but I would say
2:35Speaker 0protein shakes. I would kick the pre workout anyway. I'm not a big pre workout guy. I don't like that stuff. But I would do the protein stuff after you work out. If
2:47Speaker 0take that stuff 1st, you're just going to be burning that stuff when you work out. So when you wake up fasted, you're going to be burning fat. So if you go to the gym and work out fasted, you're going to be actually burning the fat because you've used up the glucose,
3:03Speaker 0So if you don't have that, it's going to go to fat. So I'm assuming that's what you want to burn more like just like all of us.
3:20Speaker 1what is most important is that you are fasted at the time that you take the peptides. Okay? And it sounds like so, that means, great, you wake up, haven't eaten anything. I would absolutely 1st do the peptides. Now,
3:32Speaker 1depending on what peptide it is. Right. Right? I mean, there are some that you wanna take at night. So obviously, hopefully, we're not just taking all of them in the morning. But if
3:53Speaker 1eat. I would I mean, I would optimally maybe if you wait 10, 15 minutes before you ingest any other food,
4:01Speaker 1that would be best. But really, the most important thing is that when you are fasted when you do the injection. K?
4:10Speaker 1hey, if you're doing CrossFit, like, the reason that you're gonna wanna eat protein and carbs before your workout, right, is if you eat carbs before your workout, you will probably have a better workout. Right? You'll have you will perform
4:26Speaker 1but you will not get as much results as far as fat burning because of what JD said. Right? If you have carbs on board, our body's 1st option for fuel Goes. Shows. So if those are there, our body will burn that and not even bother touching your fat. That's reserve stuff. Right? Yeah. That's for when we're really in a bind,
4:47Speaker 1and it will just just burn off cars. Now you'll kick ass more. Right? Your workout will be better and stronger, etcetera. So it depends on what you're going for or why you eat those things. Even
4:59Speaker 1are a funny thing. Right? I've heard them be sold as like, oh, recovery, recovery, recovery. Like, that's BS. They don't do that. BCAAs are
5:12Speaker 1and leucine, and they are in a specific 2 to 1 to 1 ratio. Okay? It's only 3 amino acids. You need all 9 essential amino acids to build a single gram of protein and therefore to build any tissue. But what BCAAs
5:27Speaker 1and your body is exercising, and your body is now making that decision. It's gone long enough to where it wants to use your muscle as fuel. Right? It wants to burn off and go go catabolic. Right? Burn off your muscle as fuel.
5:39Speaker 1The 2 to 1 1 ratio makes them basically mimic your muscle. So your body will go grab the BCAAs,
5:46Speaker 1burn them as fuel, and you get to keep all of your keep all of your muscle. So that might be a good answer to the pre
5:57Speaker 1What supplements are they even suggesting? You're supplements. What supplements are you taking?
6:03Speaker 1I mean, you know, just kind of circling back around. I mean, just try it, man. Give it a week. Just try to work out fasted for a week. I think you're gonna like it, man. Again, I think most people's objective is to burn fat, right? We all want that. Doesn't matter even if we're lean, you really, you want to burn fat. Try it. I've worked out fasted 100%
6:30Speaker 1you probably will get used to it. Right? Some people at the very beginning really don't like it. Oh, I feel nauseous, etcetera. Yeah. Weaker. I'm like lightheaded.
6:38Speaker 1Yeah. Try it out. So, yeah, try it out. But the main thing is you wanna inject those peptides while you are in a fasted state. If you eat after, not that big of a deal. Right.
6:49Speaker 1All right. I'll read this guy. So what's up, warriors? Like you gentlemen, I also had a micro
7:00Speaker 1back in my leg after surgery. I had atrophy over time. My right leg is 1 inch smaller in circumference.
7:08Speaker 1I work out the calves, but definitely no change. My question to you, do you think that MGF
7:17Speaker 1Factor or just pure or just regular Mechanogrowth Factor is a good peptide to use. If I do use it, should I use it sub q
7:39Speaker 1You can work out your calves all day long. They're not meant to get bigger like irregular muscles because you're just they just never ever ever get a rest. Right? You can make them more defined, but you're not gonna make your calves any bigger, really,
8:13Speaker 1you possibly could spot inject and it could make a difference in the actual spot that you injected.
8:32Speaker 1effect to it. And it will not matter if you inject it locally or just sub q in your stomach.
9:03Speaker 1and it will help you put on muscle. It will really help your, like, nutrient partitioning, what muscles you work out. It's gonna just shove protein right in there post workout. Eat eat a little bit of carbs post workout to help the protein and help your body build.
9:36Speaker 1And our strength coach who had a brother and a father or NFL strength coaches basically made me just work out with my right hand, like dumbbells, shoulder presses,
9:46Speaker 1everything I did. And he said, don't worry. Your body finds a way to even out. And, actually, he was right. Like, I did very little. I mean, I did what I could if it was I couldn't
9:54Speaker 1grab anything, and I sure as hell couldn't. It was like this. I couldn't push anything.
9:59Speaker 1It's like I studied about the same size. It was actually kinda crazy. I would stay lifting heavy, doing squats, treating that that bad leg like it's not bad. Yeah. And, you know, don't get into a habit of now getting really uneven, let's say, in your squats. You know? Force yourself to stay even so everything is all
10:32Speaker 0Some of the problems that I have personally ran into is I had my 1st 1, I think I was 25,
10:40Speaker 0and the other ones start popping. I'm hoping that's not for you. The reason I'm saying that is I have always had to do lightweight on my legs because I do not want to reinjure that
10:56Speaker 0know, just, have the same problem with my calves, dude. It is what it is, brother, but definitely hit the legs. I hit the legs at least twice a week. Just light, man. It is what it is. You don't wanna re you don't wanna agitate another disc, bro. Trust me, I've been there. Sucks. No, you do not.
11:20Speaker 0I've heard different things too. Like on leg day, up the dose of human growth hormone. I take 2 IUs. I've read some stuff about some guys say up the dose to 4 I use on leg day. I've done it. I don't really think that I noticed much, but I've tried it. So I don't know. You've got that. Human growth hormone's always good, man, to add in. I don't think he said your age. So if you're over 40, you might want to add in the HGH anyway, especially with it helps with recovery.
11:44Speaker 0That 1 you're gonna take for quite some time if you do it properly. So if you're over 40, I would probably suggest adding that in. And as Will said, the IGF-one, that would be a good fit. Yeah. It's just really hard. It's really hard to make 1 part
12:14Speaker 0I told the vendor they're going to send me a new batch of Tesamorelin and some AA water. I've never heard of needing to use AA water for Tesamorelin, have you? Thank you for the answer.
12:27Speaker 0Backwater is is what we suggest in regards to that. I know you have a different answer on that in in regards to why no
12:39Speaker 1Are AA water is acetic acid, and it's kinda it's really harsh. It's not good on a GHRH or most GHRH analogs. It's it will
13:20Speaker 1often there is a thing. If you're adding really, really cold water, okay, too fast to the peptide,
13:34Speaker 1I would slowly and squirting on the on the on the inside bottle wall some, like, a little bit colder than room temp water or or just room temp bacterial static water and drip
13:47Speaker 1Make sure, you know, you're not shaking it, but, you know, swirl it around. Make sure it actually gets mixed.
13:54Speaker 1keep it in the fridge. Don't freeze it. Your fridge better not it shouldn't be too cold. You do not want it to be frozen, but it needs to be needs to be cold.
14:11Speaker 1Bad vendor, bad you know, could have got too hot in transport, you know, but basically the product is defective.
14:19Speaker 0Yeah. And we've talked about it, quite a bit on here and, we've said it so many times. I feel like I'm being redundant, but, you know, peptides are delicate, you know, so you want to treat them as such. Like Will said, I'd let that needle go in and like, either let it just suck out itself and just go down slowly or just tap it to the side and let it draw down super slowly. I know some people I've seen them just squirt it in there. You don't want to do that. Not saying you did, but if you did, maybe that's the problem. But like, I agree with Wolf. If you do it properly and use the right
15:05Speaker 1I've had buddies 2 in and are now considering peptides. I just started using clomiphene
15:12Speaker 1mg, I'm guessing, every other day. Would like to get on Tesamorelin slash Ipamorelin 5 5 mg blend. Is that a good stack for lean muscle fat burning?
15:29Speaker 1I really appreciate you guys. Your transparency is a breath of fresh air in this space. God bless. Well man. It's awesome. It. And on that last note,
15:43Speaker 1The powers that be. We need to we we have to stay a little vague on some things, unfortunately.
16:15Speaker 1I see it depends where you get it. A serum, I almost I usually see, like, a 12.5 mg pills.
16:21Speaker 1Maybe you have liquid. I don't know. But I generally tell people we're trying to, like, go for testosterone boosting,
16:40Speaker 1Tesamorelin, Imipamorelin blend, absolutely. Do it. Run it. That's great. Will it help with any potential IGF-one decrease? Yes. Because it's increasing your
16:57Speaker 1So hell yeah, I would do that. I would run it you know, I would at least run for 4 months.
17:22Speaker 0we don't know your age. You didn't say your age in there, so obviously you're trying to boost your testosterone.
17:27Speaker 0I'm going to be a broken record when I say this. I think I don't if you want to go with Enclomiphene, that's fine. I just I'm a just TRT guy, man. It's just you're going to feel better. I just think it works better.
17:39Speaker 0If you're 40, maybe you're not doing TRT for a reason, we don't know. But I just go to the source man and go right to the TRT. That'll be a lot better in regards to that. Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, I love it.
17:53Speaker 0going to say if you're 40, man, I'm a huge fan of human growth hormone in general. 2 I use in the morning, man, low dose.
18:01Speaker 0Man, it takes a while for it to hit, but when it hits, man, it's amazing, So if you're 40, I think most people, I mean, TRT and HGH are just in my repertoire all the time. They are just my go tos and everything stacked above that. But to answer your question, yeah, Tesamorelin, Ipamorelin love it. If you're brand new to peptides and that's where you're starting, great. Obviously take that before bed.
18:31Speaker 0Doing up. Good morning. I'm glad you recovery is going fast and smooth. Thank you very much. I was curious on running the FOX-four
18:41Speaker 0I'm seeing mixed feedback on either stopping all other peptides a week before and after,
19:00Speaker 0benefits from this peptide? Thank you all for what you do. I love Ben Greenfield. I've followed him for a long time. I think he's great.
19:16Speaker 1FOX o 4 is the whole main point there is to kinda clear out old dead cells. K? Because when those are old dead cells back up, it prevents
19:31Speaker 1I have not I I don't really have anything to say honestly on the stopping of all peptides before and after. Yeah. I've never heard that. But
19:47Speaker 1I would I would just maybe propose something different. I'm not saying it's better or worse, and you just maybe need to try.
20:03Speaker 1you are doing he's saying take 3 mgs every other day for 6 days. So that's a total of 3 injections. Am I right? 9 9 mg. Right?
20:11Speaker 16 days worth, but you're doing every other day. So it's only 3 injections. So it's 9 mg.
20:16Speaker 1If you do what I said is if you're doing at the lower dose, which is 0.5 of a milligram
20:27Speaker 1Hey, that's what I thought. There's more ways to more than 1 way to skin a cat. Not both, man. You you don't really know. Now as far as-
21:16Speaker 1And I sure could be missing more. There's probably others that are awesome to mix with it too, but that's what comes to mind.
21:24Speaker 0Yeah. And like he said, man, there's different ways to skin a cat, you know, and there's all kinds of ways you could try it. We're big fans of just try it, man. I mean, we've talked about it so many times
21:34Speaker 0and we're all different. We all respond to things different. You're only gonna know if you try different things, try it his way, try it the way that we'll just said and, see which 1 you respond to better, man. There it is. Yep.
21:46Speaker 1And thank you for and thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. K. Been taking Reta for about 4 about 4 months.
21:59Speaker 1Works great. But I get sensitive skin from it all over my back and now starting in my legs. Is this normal side effect?
22:23Speaker 0I'm assuming you're taking the 20 units Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So you're keeping the units the same. You're just adding a day. So maybe go down to 10 units.
22:32Speaker 0Think Retatrut should be around Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So I would keep that protocol.
22:38Speaker 0I mean, I think every 1 of our goals should be less is more, and we want to try to get, you know, as much out of it. I think Reta is just a powerhouse of a peptide. You know, it doesn't really say what your objective is. Are you a gym rat and you're just trying to get leaner? Are you trying to lose a lot of weight? That would go into that answer. We don't know what your objectives are.
22:57Speaker 0But if you are having sensitive skin, I have had a lot of questions of people that are saying that like when they put their shirt on, it's like digging into their skin. So if it's that bad, just lower the dose a little bit, man. You know, again, I have just, you know, my experience with it is it is a short lived thing. Just lower the dose a little bit, ride it out, and you should be good to go.
23:52Speaker 0I mean, I'll pick up the tab on the 1st 1. I mean, SLU-3P, huge. We love it. We're huge fans of it.
24:05Speaker 0My personal favorite is a sublingual. I just get the most out of it. I think that a soup in general,
24:44Speaker 1I'll have some floop that just that mixing with backwater does not want to mix. So in general, it is a bit hydro phobic.
25:07Speaker 1so it should be. So if it's just not, you should probably return the product and get something different,
25:26Speaker 1it with DMSO and then literally squirting it on their skin and letting it absorb into their skin.
26:00Speaker 1best advice would say would be find oh, okay. And the last 1 was so it would be take them
26:05Speaker 1orally. Take SLUEP orally. Now with all the data coming out, everyone has been underdosing SLUEP. Like, it's crazy. I have heard this too from some of our guys. Heavily
26:34Speaker 1even up to I mean, even maybe 2000 micrograms, but 400 mg. Right? 1 mg is 1000 micrograms.
26:49Speaker 15 mg is when you're really getting the full benefit of SLU-K-eleven, k, which is 5000 micrograms.
26:58Speaker 1everybody's their own their own consenting adult, and they could do what they wanna do.
27:13Speaker 1That's what I wanna do. That's what I'm willing to do. I have a really good friend who is
27:17Speaker 1taking more than that, who's taking 5 mg. He's still alive and he's doing really well. And he says he likes it. But, yeah.
27:25Speaker 0That's what I got for you. Which 5 mg compared to 400? Like, holy shit. Woah. And again, 5 mg is 5000 micrograms.
27:47Speaker 1Okay. This is a question for your podcast. Well, I wasn't sure where to put my question. Okay. I'm a 51
28:14Speaker 1that but minus the KPV. So gut health. Okay. Been taking Clo for 2 months. Love it. No aches and pains. Skin is looking fresher,
28:22Speaker 1less wrinkles, more plump. I have a question. I'm a nurse and about to do a 2 month schedule of day and night shifts together. What would you recommend as far as peptides? I have a terrible time sleeping.
28:40Speaker 1would I take the Tesa before I go to sleep? Thanks. Love your show. Maybe remind the listeners where to put their questions for the podcast. Maybe I missed it. Love your show. Look forward to it. Alright. We will make a note to make it very clear of where to write the questions
28:57Speaker 0Good call. I mean, I post them on my stories with the link generally the day or so before, but I will be better at doing that more often.
29:08Speaker 0it's just old and my memory sucks and I'm like, oh shoot, I gotta get that out. So I'll try to be better. Alright. That's my fault. My fault. Now answers to this, right on, dude. I think that Tesamorelin
29:18Speaker 0is people are loving it before before bed and is helping you get to sleep and get a good night's sleep. And not, I mean, not to mention the
29:30Speaker 0I would absolutely take it before bed and in a fasted state. So try not to eat in 60 and 90 minutes before you take it.
29:44Speaker 1Take that. Especially if you're getting I mean, especially even if you're getting not many hours of sleep, at least it kinda it puts you in the delta sleep and and is your restful sleep. So you'll get more actual recovery out of a shorter amount of sleep.
29:59Speaker 1MOTS- C. MOTS-three is awesome. I mean, there is to try to give you more energy, I would suggest, and I'm and I really like it, MOTS-three plus SS-thirty
30:23Speaker 0I don't know. To not overwhelm you, what do you got? Yeah, I think that I knew you were gonna 31 in MOTS-seem. And I think that's great. As you probably have heard, if you've been following the podcast, are Will and I are both huge fans of those 2. I call it the peanut butter and jelly of peptides that is really gonna give you some pure energy, especially because you're gonna be working days and nights. You're definitely going to need this. Here's what I would say. 1 thing that I've been doing is I've
30:48Speaker 0I usually kind of get tired around too, and I've been running NAD at that time instead of a coffee. I've been taking a higher dose of NAD and with whether it's placebo or not, it seems to be working really well. So I would start your morning or whenever you start work with the MOTS-three and the SS-thirty 1. Midday, or if you're starting to feel sluggish or tired, take a nice dose of NAD that goes well with both those anyway. And then right before bed, he already picked up the tab on that. Tesamorelin is 1 of my favorite peptides. I love it.
31:22Speaker 0should do you well. But I think if you run that protocol, think that'll help out quite a bit. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. That sounds great. I need to start doing that actually.
31:35Speaker 1and this one's I mean, don't really have a great answer, but, Dave, for someone starting out with peptides, do you recommend a stack or plan to use them into the mix and learn what works best for them?
31:46Speaker 1Sorry. There's just so many peptides that do specific different things. The question is too vague. I just don't
31:58Speaker 0I would say we answer that like this. Let's say you're probably like most common people that you wanna burn fat and you wanna gain some muscle. Why don't you go that deal?
32:10Speaker 0Yeah, right. And I'm old and have old injuries. Like body pains and stuff, so easy math on that. I mean, Retrutide,
32:24Speaker 0besides like people like my wife who's just tiny and like she wants me to give it to her and I'm like, No, you're too small, you're not gonna you'll wither away to nothing. You know what I mean? So if you're super lean and tiny woman, don't take it. If you're a gal that's a little bit plumper for lack of a better way to say that. Absolutely, man. Run Reta.
32:55Speaker 0maybe an Iporelin blend, if you're not gonna do the blend and maybe just the Tesamorelin, but yeah, so I would do the
33:32Speaker 1hell, give yourself 20 units a day. Do that for 2 weeks. Tell me how you feel. Totally.
33:40Speaker 1will you'll love it. You'll feel so much better. Like, you know, things won't hurt. Joints will just will feel loose.
33:52Speaker 0no. Yeah, those are the ones I think are the kind of gateways into peptides, especially the TB and the blend of the BPC. I mean, anybody
34:00Speaker 0probably that follows my channels know the fact that I had gone through a back surgery. And I want to say it again because it's so powerful. The Wolverine stack was a big part of my healing going so fast. Now I took high, high doses
34:16Speaker 0peptide. The Wolverine stack those 2 together, boom. So if you have any aches and pains, try that, it'll help.
34:24Speaker 0So I know that that's the end of the questions. I know that Will and I discussed this, we were talking about if we wanted to kind of throw this out there. So we're curious, we want to kind of throw out a fishing line and kind of see if people would be interested. As you all know, you see Instagram and these social medias,
34:38Speaker 0you kind of gotta walk a very tight line. You know, you get dinged on Instagram heavily if you say the wrong things. Trust me, I have to deal with it on a daily basis on the things that I post.
34:49Speaker 0And I talk to a lot of people as well. So you have to be very vague. It's gray. You have to walk a line.
34:55Speaker 0We have to be that same way because we don't want to get this podcast shut down. So the reason I'm saying that is we've been thinking about doing like a Discord to where we run it. You'd have to join the team. There'll obviously be a fee because we were going to be putting our time into it. But that way you have access to us through questions that are going to be directed to us where we control the channel, nobody else can control it. So we will be able to answer more freely and very directly, and we don't have to hold back as much and worry about this or that. It won't have to be so gray.
35:27Speaker 0So if that's something that, the listeners might be interested in, throw me some feedback, throw us some feedback on whatever you're, however you're finding this, whatever channel, if it's a podcast, YouTube,
35:46Speaker 0we put work into it, if it's even something that people will want that way, can just answer more directly. Don't have to worry about how we answer it. Dude, and we have some really good resources, right? We have a professional
36:01Speaker 1some other professionals in different fields that all relate into peptides, and they would all be a part of helping-
36:23Speaker 1everything that we say, man, this is all based on our personal experience. We're not promising anything or
36:32Speaker 1or really giving advice. We're just saying, hey. This what I've done, what I've seen done. Yeah. You're a grown up, do whatever you wanna do, man.
36:52Speaker 0They are amazing. They are so able to heal a lot of different things out there. So I'm stoked that so many people seem to be researching and looking into them, man. They are amazing. So love it. Yep. Good for you guys. Thank you everybody who
37:05Speaker 0messaged it. Yeah. I appreciate all the kind words all the time, man. It means a lot to us. So yeah, that's gonna be it for today. Anything before we split?
37:16Speaker 0You know, again, the podcast will be dropping pep time of the week on Monday. Q and A is gonna drop on Thursday, so this episode drops tomorrow.
37:23Speaker 0I will be better at putting out more of my stories with the link. You can click on and ask the questions.
37:29Speaker 0And other than that, we will catch you on the flip side. We'll catch you next time. You guys have a great day. Take care. Good night.