Peptide Q&A #10 – Fasted Peptide Timing & Night-Shift Recovery Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-10-fasted-peptide-timing-night-shift-recovery/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:18 Speaker 0: What's up, my friends? Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week Podcast. I'm your host, 0:24 Speaker 0: JD Denham, and I got my buddy and my co host 0:28 Speaker 0: across the screen as always, Mr. William T. Haws. What's up, dude? What's up, man? I'm, 0:36 Speaker 1: not enough time in the day, and, 0:39 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in a fresh walled 0:41 Speaker 1: brand new office, unfinished Got and 0:46 Speaker 0: your new mic, though. Did get new mic. We got Will a new mic, and he sounds crisp, 0:52 Speaker 0: crisp and ready to rock. 0:54 Speaker 0: Ready to rock. Today's gonna be the episode of the Q and A. We ran through them really quickly just to see what we got on 1:01 Speaker 0: the plate and great questions. As always, we're excited to get into it. So without further ado, let me kick us off, man. Let me get after it. So, 1:11 Speaker 0: Hey Warriors, general info, 46 year old female, always been healthy and fit. 1:18 Speaker 0: Now about 4 months into 1:20 Speaker 0: our peptide journey. 1:22 Speaker 0: My question is about fasting for peptides for those who train early in the morning. 1:27 Speaker 0: Hubby and I are early risers, 04:30AM, 1:30 Speaker 0: good for you, 1:31 Speaker 0: but weight CrossFit, 1:33 Speaker 0: train 1st thing in the gym by 5AM, 1:35 Speaker 0: which means that we do a pre workout protein and carbs, etcetera. When 1:41 Speaker 0: we get up, we head straight to the gym. 1:43 Speaker 0: Nighttime fasting before PM peptides is no problem, 1:47 Speaker 0: but what would be 1:48 Speaker 0: suggestion for AM in the morning delivery of peptides? How long after injection, 1:54 Speaker 0: injecting them do you need to fast for optimal absorption? 1:57 Speaker 0: I can inject 1st thing at 04:30AM, 2:00 Speaker 0: but then I'm straight into the pre workout shake and subs, 2:04 Speaker 0: or should I wait until 90 minutes after the post workout food, then inject and then wait 30 minutes or more before the food? Thanks for all the info putting out there to help keep us on track through this journey. 2:17 Speaker 0: Awesome. I'll 2:19 Speaker 0: take this 1 1st just because I'm a fasting guy. I love fasting. Anybody 2:24 Speaker 0: who follows my channel probably knows that. So my suggestion, which might be different than Will's, but I would say 2:30 Speaker 0: take them right away, take them right when you wake up. And I 2:34 Speaker 0: would move your 2:35 Speaker 0: protein shakes. I would kick the pre workout anyway. I'm not a big pre workout guy. I don't like that stuff. But I would do the protein stuff after you work out. If 2:46 Speaker 0: you 2:47 Speaker 0: take that stuff 1st, you're just going to be burning that stuff when you work out. So when you wake up fasted, you're going to be burning fat. So if you go to the gym and work out fasted, you're going to be actually burning the fat because you've used up the glucose, 3:00 Speaker 0: your body is going to go to the glucose 1st. 3:03 Speaker 0: So if you don't have that, it's going to go to fat. So I'm assuming that's what you want to burn more like just like all of us. 3:09 Speaker 0: So I would move that protein shake to after you work out. That's my answer. 3:14 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. 3:16 Speaker 1: So 3:18 Speaker 1: as far as the peptide absorption, 3:20 Speaker 1: what is most important is that you are fasted at the time that you take the peptides. Okay? And it sounds like so, that means, great, you wake up, haven't eaten anything. I would absolutely 1st do the peptides. Now, 3:32 Speaker 1: depending on what peptide it is. Right. Right? I mean, there are some that you wanna take at night. So obviously, hopefully, we're not just taking all of them in the morning. But if 3:42 Speaker 1: let's assume that you are taking the ones 3:46 Speaker 1: that you wanna take early in the morning. So you 3:49 Speaker 1: take them while you are fasted. 3:51 Speaker 1: Great. You can then 3:53 Speaker 1: eat. I would I mean, I would optimally maybe if you wait 10, 15 minutes before you ingest any other food, 4:01 Speaker 1: that would be best. But really, the most important thing is that when you are fasted when you do the injection. K? 4:07 Speaker 1: So 4:09 Speaker 1: then, 4:10 Speaker 1: hey, if you're doing CrossFit, like, the reason that you're gonna wanna eat protein and carbs before your workout, right, is if you eat carbs before your workout, you will probably have a better workout. Right? You'll have you will perform 4:22 Speaker 1: better, better pumps, 4:26 Speaker 1: but you will not get as much results as far as fat burning because of what JD said. Right? If you have carbs on board, our body's 1st option for fuel Goes. Shows. So if those are there, our body will burn that and not even bother touching your fat. That's reserve stuff. Right? Yeah. That's for when we're really in a bind, 4:47 Speaker 1: and it will just just burn off cars. Now you'll kick ass more. Right? Your workout will be better and stronger, etcetera. So it depends on what you're going for or why you eat those things. Even 4:56 Speaker 1: like I 4:57 Speaker 1: so BCAAs 4:59 Speaker 1: are a funny thing. Right? I've heard them be sold as like, oh, recovery, recovery, recovery. Like, that's BS. They don't do that. BCAAs are 5:10 Speaker 1: valine, 5:11 Speaker 1: isoleucine, 5:12 Speaker 1: and leucine, and they are in a specific 2 to 1 to 1 ratio. Okay? It's only 3 amino acids. You need all 9 essential amino acids to build a single gram of protein and therefore to build any tissue. But what BCAAs 5:24 Speaker 1: are there for is they're in their bloodstream, 5:27 Speaker 1: and your body is exercising, and your body is now making that decision. It's gone long enough to where it wants to use your muscle as fuel. Right? It wants to burn off and go go catabolic. Right? Burn off your muscle as fuel. 5:39 Speaker 1: The 2 to 1 1 ratio makes them basically mimic your muscle. So your body will go grab the BCAAs, 5:46 Speaker 1: burn them as fuel, and you get to keep all of your keep all of your muscle. So that might be a good answer to the pre 5:54 Speaker 1: workout food. 5:57 Speaker 1: What supplements are they even suggesting? You're supplements. What supplements are you taking? 6:03 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just kind of circling back around. I mean, just try it, man. Give it a week. Just try to work out fasted for a week. I think you're gonna like it, man. Again, I think most people's objective is to burn fat, right? We all want that. Doesn't matter even if we're lean, you really, you want to burn fat. Try it. I've worked out fasted 100% 6:20 Speaker 0: of the time. Never, I very rarely have anything before I work out and 6:26 Speaker 1: it's worked really well for me. And it takes a little getting used to, but you will 6:30 Speaker 1: you probably will get used to it. Right? Some people at the very beginning really don't like it. Oh, I feel nauseous, etcetera. Yeah. Weaker. I'm like lightheaded. 6:37 Speaker 0: No. 6:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. Try it out. So, yeah, try it out. But the main thing is you wanna inject those peptides while you are in a fasted state. If you eat after, not that big of a deal. Right. 6:49 Speaker 1: All right. I'll read this guy. So what's up, warriors? Like you gentlemen, I also had a micro 6:54 Speaker 1: discectomy 6:56 Speaker 1: back surgery in 2017. 6:58 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I never regained my strength 7:00 Speaker 1: back in my leg after surgery. I had atrophy over time. My right leg is 1 inch smaller in circumference. 7:08 Speaker 1: I work out the calves, but definitely no change. My question to you, do you think that MGF 7:14 Speaker 1: or PEG MGF, which is PEGylated Mechanogrowth 7:17 Speaker 1: Factor or just pure or just regular Mechanogrowth Factor is a good peptide to use. If I do use it, should I use it sub q 7:26 Speaker 1: or directly to the affected muscle? Thank you, for your answer in time. 7:33 Speaker 1: 1st of So all, dude, calves are you you know what? Work into the club, my brother. 7:39 Speaker 1: You can work out your calves all day long. They're not meant to get bigger like irregular muscles because you're just they just never ever ever get a rest. Right? You can make them more defined, but you're not gonna make your calves any bigger, really, 7:51 Speaker 1: because you're walking on them constantly. Are meant for 7:54 Speaker 1: long term repetitive use and not to get big. 7:58 Speaker 1: So good luck with that. But now the other question is, so here is 8:02 Speaker 1: the regular 8:04 Speaker 1: unpagulated 8:05 Speaker 1: mechano growth factor, okay, 8:08 Speaker 1: is very fast acting. And theoretically, 8:11 Speaker 1: if you have that 1, 8:13 Speaker 1: you possibly could spot inject and it could make a difference in the actual spot that you injected. 8:18 Speaker 1: I wouldn't really suggest that. It's not as nearly as effective, 8:22 Speaker 1: really. I would do I would prefer you use the PEGylated 8:26 Speaker 1: mechanical growth factor. It's a slower releasing, and therefore, it has a 8:31 Speaker 1: full body 8:32 Speaker 1: effect to it. And it will not matter if you inject it locally or just sub q in your stomach. 8:38 Speaker 1: It'll do the same same thing. 8:41 Speaker 1: Another 1 I was gonna suggest is like IGF-1LR-three. 8:45 Speaker 1: And the same principle goes for that. Regular, just IGF-one, 8:49 Speaker 1: very short acting, could potentially inject it in the spot. 8:54 Speaker 1: But, again, I would also I would suggest you do IGF-1LR-three, 8:59 Speaker 1: which is a more full body, longer acting, and a full body, 9:03 Speaker 1: and it will help you put on muscle. It will really help your, like, nutrient partitioning, what muscles you work out. It's gonna just shove protein right in there post workout. Eat eat a little bit of carbs post workout to help the protein and help your body build. 9:17 Speaker 1: But, yeah, I I would try the IGF-1LR 3 and PEG MGF 9:21 Speaker 1: and not locally inject it. And keep working out, man. What just 9:26 Speaker 1: I would just keep doing I played college football, and I broke my 9:30 Speaker 1: I broke all types of bones, but I had a cast on my on my wrist for 9:35 Speaker 1: 3 years. 9:36 Speaker 1: And our strength coach who had a brother and a father or NFL strength coaches basically made me just work out with my right hand, like dumbbells, shoulder presses, 9:46 Speaker 1: everything I did. And he said, don't worry. Your body finds a way to even out. And, actually, he was right. Like, I did very little. I mean, I did what I could if it was I couldn't 9:54 Speaker 1: grab anything, and I sure as hell couldn't. It was like this. I couldn't push anything. 9:59 Speaker 1: It's like I studied about the same size. It was actually kinda crazy. I would stay lifting heavy, doing squats, treating that that bad leg like it's not bad. Yeah. And, you know, don't get into a habit of now getting really uneven, let's say, in your squats. You know? Force yourself to stay even so everything is all 10:18 Speaker 1: parallel, 10:19 Speaker 1: but the exact same on either side. 10:22 Speaker 0: Some also, my experience with that, just, you know, is, microdiscectomy 10:27 Speaker 0: is great. It's a very quick recovery. I just had 1, so I recovered very quickly. 10:32 Speaker 0: Some of the problems that I have personally ran into is I had my 1st 1, I think I was 25, 10:36 Speaker 0: and 10:37 Speaker 0: the other discs take the grunt 10:40 Speaker 0: and the other ones start popping. I'm hoping that's not for you. The reason I'm saying that is I have always had to do lightweight on my legs because I do not want to reinjure that 10:51 Speaker 0: disc or any other disc. I'm assuming you probably are that same way. You 10:56 Speaker 0: know, just, have the same problem with my calves, dude. It is what it is, brother, but definitely hit the legs. I hit the legs at least twice a week. Just light, man. It is what it is. You don't wanna re you don't wanna agitate another disc, bro. Trust me, I've been there. Sucks. No, you do not. 11:10 Speaker 0: Or slip a vertebrae. 11:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. Keep lifting. I don't know. 11:17 Speaker 1: I would try that, but 11:20 Speaker 0: I've heard different things too. Like on leg day, up the dose of human growth hormone. I take 2 IUs. I've read some stuff about some guys say up the dose to 4 I use on leg day. I've done it. I don't really think that I noticed much, but I've tried it. So I don't know. You've got that. Human growth hormone's always good, man, to add in. I don't think he said your age. So if you're over 40, you might want to add in the HGH anyway, especially with it helps with recovery. 11:44 Speaker 0: That 1 you're gonna take for quite some time if you do it properly. So if you're over 40, I would probably suggest adding that in. And as Will said, the IGF-one, that would be a good fit. Yeah. It's just really hard. It's really hard to make 1 part 11:58 Speaker 1: grow. 11:59 Speaker 0: Right. If you got small caps, you got Yeah. Small caps Yeah. On the 12:05 Speaker 0: All right. Gentlemen, 12:06 Speaker 0: in your research, have you guys ever had Tesamorelin 12:09 Speaker 0: gel up or harden on you after a week reconstituting? 12:14 Speaker 0: I told the vendor they're going to send me a new batch of Tesamorelin and some AA water. I've never heard of needing to use AA water for Tesamorelin, have you? Thank you for the answer. 12:24 Speaker 0: No, I don't think that you should. 12:27 Speaker 0: Backwater is is what we suggest in regards to that. I know you have a different answer on that in in regards to why no 12:35 Speaker 0: AA water with Tesamorelin in particular. 12:38 Speaker 1: Right. 12:39 Speaker 1: Are AA water is acetic acid, and it's kinda it's really harsh. It's not good on a GHRH or most GHRH analogs. It's it will 12:50 Speaker 1: yeah. I would definitely not use it on Tesamorelin. K? 12:54 Speaker 1: That's a bad idea. 12:55 Speaker 1: Sure. It will probably 12:58 Speaker 1: denature 13:01 Speaker 1: the actual peptide and render 13:03 Speaker 1: it 13:05 Speaker 1: almost useless. 13:06 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't I think your solution is tell the vendor that that's a bad idea 13:11 Speaker 1: and have them There send you a new 13:13 Speaker 1: could be reasons why it gelled up. I have seen that 13:18 Speaker 1: before. 13:19 Speaker 1: But 13:20 Speaker 1: often there is a thing. If you're adding really, really cold water, okay, too fast to the peptide, 13:28 Speaker 1: it could gel up. 13:30 Speaker 1: So I would take that new bottle they send you, and 13:34 Speaker 1: I would slowly and squirting on the on the on the inside bottle wall some, like, a little bit colder than room temp water or or just room temp bacterial static water and drip 13:45 Speaker 1: it in there slowly. 13:47 Speaker 1: Make sure, you know, you're not shaking it, but, you know, swirl it around. Make sure it actually gets mixed. 13:52 Speaker 1: And 13:54 Speaker 1: keep it in the fridge. Don't freeze it. Your fridge better not it shouldn't be too cold. You do not want it to be frozen, but it needs to be needs to be cold. 14:02 Speaker 1: And if it gels up again, then your product is just not good quality. 14:07 Speaker 0: Probably a bad batch. Yeah. Bad batch. Or vendor. A 14:11 Speaker 1: Bad vendor, bad you know, could have got too hot in transport, you know, but basically the product is defective. 14:19 Speaker 0: Yeah. And we've talked about it, quite a bit on here and, we've said it so many times. I feel like I'm being redundant, but, you know, peptides are delicate, you know, so you want to treat them as such. Like Will said, I'd let that needle go in and like, either let it just suck out itself and just go down slowly or just tap it to the side and let it draw down super slowly. I know some people I've seen them just squirt it in there. You don't want to do that. Not saying you did, but if you did, maybe that's the problem. But like, I agree with Wolf. If you do it properly and use the right 14:51 Speaker 0: temperature for the water, super cold, 14:54 Speaker 0: it's probably the vendor. So maybe switch vendor. There's a lot out there. 14:59 Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Alright. 15:01 Speaker 1: What's up, guys? You have become my favorite podcast. 15:05 Speaker 1: I've had buddies 2 in and are now considering peptides. I just started using clomiphene 15:11 Speaker 1: 3.25 15:12 Speaker 1: mg, I'm guessing, every other day. Would like to get on Tesamorelin slash Ipamorelin 5 5 mg blend. Is that a good stack for lean muscle fat burning? 15:22 Speaker 1: How many bottles do I need? Dosage, will this help counteract any potential IGF 15:27 Speaker 1: decline that may come with enclomiphene? 15:29 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys. Your transparency is a breath of fresh air in this space. God bless. Well man. It's awesome. It. And on that last note, 15:39 Speaker 1: we try to be transparent. Right? But, like, we do. 15:43 Speaker 1: The powers that be. We need to we we have to stay a little vague on some things, unfortunately. 15:48 Speaker 1: We're working on a on a solution to that problem 15:51 Speaker 1: We are. To give everybody, like, all 15:54 Speaker 1: the real, 15:55 Speaker 1: real actual info at SpeakFreely. 15:57 Speaker 1: So that's coming up with some real professionals. 16:00 Speaker 1: But 16:02 Speaker 1: we do our best, dude, and we're still here. So 1st of all, the Enclomiphene, 16:07 Speaker 1: 3.25 16:08 Speaker 1: mg every other day seems very, very, very small 16:12 Speaker 1: dose. 16:13 Speaker 1: Yep. Generally, 16:15 Speaker 1: I see it depends where you get it. A serum, I almost I usually see, like, a 12.5 mg pills. 16:21 Speaker 1: Maybe you have liquid. I don't know. But I generally tell people we're trying to, like, go for testosterone boosting, 16:29 Speaker 1: I'd be at least taking 12.5 mg a day, if not 16:33 Speaker 1: 2 pills, right, which is 25 mg. 16:37 Speaker 1: So maybe food for thought on that 1. 16:40 Speaker 1: Tesamorelin, Imipamorelin blend, absolutely. Do it. Run it. That's great. Will it help with any potential IGF-one decrease? Yes. Because it's increasing your 16:49 Speaker 1: your HGH, and thus 16:51 Speaker 1: IGF-one, 16:53 Speaker 1: that's the marker that we test HGH on. 16:57 Speaker 1: So hell yeah, I would do that. I would run it you know, I would at least run for 4 months. 17:03 Speaker 1: I would run it 4 months, and I would do between like 17:07 Speaker 1: 0.5 of a milligram to a full milligram 17:10 Speaker 1: of 17:11 Speaker 1: Tesamorelin and Epimorelin each. Right? Daily. 17:17 Speaker 0: I would say a meg at least, man. At least 1 meg. Definitely. 17:21 Speaker 0: I mean, 17:22 Speaker 0: we don't know your age. You didn't say your age in there, so obviously you're trying to boost your testosterone. 17:27 Speaker 0: I'm going to be a broken record when I say this. I think I don't if you want to go with Enclomiphene, that's fine. I just I'm a just TRT guy, man. It's just you're going to feel better. I just think it works better. 17:39 Speaker 0: If you're 40, maybe you're not doing TRT for a reason, we don't know. But I just go to the source man and go right to the TRT. That'll be a lot better in regards to that. Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, I love it. 17:51 Speaker 0: I think it's great. I'm always 17:53 Speaker 0: going to say if you're 40, man, I'm a huge fan of human growth hormone in general. 2 I use in the morning, man, low dose. 18:01 Speaker 0: Man, it takes a while for it to hit, but when it hits, man, it's amazing, So if you're 40, I think most people, I mean, TRT and HGH are just in my repertoire all the time. They are just my go tos and everything stacked above that. But to answer your question, yeah, Tesamorelin, Ipamorelin love it. If you're brand new to peptides and that's where you're starting, great. Obviously take that before bed. 18:24 Speaker 0: Yeah. 18:25 Speaker 0: Sounds good, man. Sounds 18:27 Speaker 1: good. Good luck. 18:30 Speaker 0: Ip. 18:31 Speaker 1: Yes. 18:31 Speaker 0: Doing up. Good morning. I'm glad you recovery is going fast and smooth. Thank you very much. I was curious on running the FOX-four 18:40 Speaker 0: DRI cycle. 18:41 Speaker 0: I'm seeing mixed feedback on either stopping all other peptides a week before and after, 18:49 Speaker 0: and some saying take MOTS- C humanin with it. I'm going to do Ben Greenfield's 18:55 Speaker 0: protocol of 3 mgs every other day for 6 days. 18:58 Speaker 0: What are your thoughts on most, 19:00 Speaker 0: benefits from this peptide? Thank you all for what you do. I love Ben Greenfield. I've followed him for a long time. I think he's great. 19:10 Speaker 0: You know, what do you got? 19:11 Speaker 1: Yeah. 19:15 Speaker 1: So 19:16 Speaker 1: FOX o 4 is the whole main point there is to kinda clear out old dead cells. K? Because when those are old dead cells back up, it prevents 19:27 Speaker 1: new regeneration and new good cells. 19:30 Speaker 1: So 19:31 Speaker 1: I have not I I don't really have anything to say honestly on the stopping of all peptides before and after. Yeah. I've never heard that. But 19:39 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's wrong. 19:40 Speaker 0: I'd 19:41 Speaker 1: also so as far as the dosing goes, 19:44 Speaker 1: cool. His protocol might be great. 19:47 Speaker 1: I would I would just maybe propose something different. I'm not saying it's better or worse, and you just maybe need to try. 19:53 Speaker 1: I would say, 19:56 Speaker 1: excuse me, 0.5 of a milligram to a full milligram 19:59 Speaker 1: every day for 20 days. 20:02 Speaker 1: Now 20:03 Speaker 1: you are doing he's saying take 3 mgs every other day for 6 days. So that's a total of 3 injections. Am I right? 9 9 mg. Right? 20:11 Speaker 1: 6 days worth, but you're doing every other day. So it's only 3 injections. So it's 9 mg. 20:16 Speaker 1: If you do what I said is if you're doing at the lower dose, which is 0.5 of a milligram 20:20 Speaker 1: every day of 20 days, that's 10 mgs with the potential up to 20 mgs. 20:27 Speaker 1: Hey, that's what I thought. There's more ways to more than 1 way to skin a cat. Not both, man. You you don't really know. Now as far as- 20:35 Speaker 1: MOTS-1C. MOTS-1C, 20:37 Speaker 1: absolutely. Hell yeah. So 20:38 Speaker 1: I would that would be a great mix. I think that 20:41 Speaker 1: anything else that any other peptides that are 20:45 Speaker 1: there for 20:47 Speaker 1: cell mitochondria regeneration, 20:49 Speaker 1: powering- 20:50 Speaker 1: SS-thirty 1. All be good. So like MOTS-seven, right, SS-thirty 1, NAD plus Epitalon. 20:57 Speaker 1: Epitalon 20:58 Speaker 1: is good. 21:01 Speaker 1: I had 21:02 Speaker 1: Epitalon 21:03 Speaker 1: is really 21:04 Speaker 1: so Epitalon will help, like, preserve 21:07 Speaker 1: your young cells. The FOX-four drive will help get rid of the old cells. 21:13 Speaker 1: So I do think that that's a really good mixture. 21:16 Speaker 1: And I sure could be missing more. There's probably others that are awesome to mix with it too, but that's what comes to mind. 21:22 Speaker 1: Give it a go. 21:24 Speaker 0: Yeah. And like he said, man, there's different ways to skin a cat, you know, and there's all kinds of ways you could try it. We're big fans of just try it, man. I mean, we've talked about it so many times 21:34 Speaker 0: and we're all different. We all respond to things different. You're only gonna know if you try different things, try it his way, try it the way that we'll just said and, see which 1 you respond to better, man. There it is. Yep. 21:44 Speaker 1: Alright. 21:46 Speaker 1: And thank you for and thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. K. Been taking Reta for about 4 about 4 months. 21:52 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it just says 4. Started 2 times a week at 20. 21:56 Speaker 1: Now bump up to 3 times a week. 21:59 Speaker 1: Works great. But I get sensitive skin from it all over my back and now starting in my legs. Is this normal side effect? 22:06 Speaker 0: Yeah. 22:07 Speaker 0: I'm getting a lot of DMs about people saying that, 22:11 Speaker 0: quite a bit. 22:13 Speaker 0: So I think it's common. My experience with it is it's short lived for most. 22:18 Speaker 0: Again, everybody's different, so you might be a little bit different. You know, 22:23 Speaker 0: I'm assuming you're taking the 20 units Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So you're keeping the units the same. You're just adding a day. So maybe go down to 10 units. 22:32 Speaker 0: Think Retatrut should be around Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So I would keep that protocol. 22:36 Speaker 0: Maybe just go down to 10 units. 22:38 Speaker 0: I mean, I think every 1 of our goals should be less is more, and we want to try to get, you know, as much out of it. I think Reta is just a powerhouse of a peptide. You know, it doesn't really say what your objective is. Are you a gym rat and you're just trying to get leaner? Are you trying to lose a lot of weight? That would go into that answer. We don't know what your objectives are. 22:57 Speaker 0: But if you are having sensitive skin, I have had a lot of questions of people that are saying that like when they put their shirt on, it's like digging into their skin. So if it's that bad, just lower the dose a little bit, man. You know, again, I have just, you know, my experience with it is it is a short lived thing. Just lower the dose a little bit, ride it out, and you should be good to go. 23:19 Speaker 1: All right. 23:21 Speaker 1: Okay. 23:23 Speaker 1: Are reading. Go 23:34 Speaker 0: capsules, but now I'm hearing conflicting discussions regarding reconstitution. 23:39 Speaker 0: Some are saying it does not work with backwater 23:42 Speaker 0: and suggest 23:44 Speaker 0: DMSO. 23:45 Speaker 0: Others are saying do not use DMSO. 23:48 Speaker 0: What advice can you all give on this? Thank you. You guys are awesome. 23:52 Speaker 0: I mean, I'll pick up the tab on the 1st 1. I mean, SLU-3P, huge. We love it. We're huge fans of it. 23:59 Speaker 0: I've 23:59 Speaker 0: done it always, 24:01 Speaker 0: capsules, 24:03 Speaker 0: sublingual, I've done injections. 24:05 Speaker 0: My personal favorite is a sublingual. I just get the most out of it. I think that a soup in general, 24:11 Speaker 0: is 1 of the few peptides that does better in that form. 24:16 Speaker 0: So that's my personal preference. 24:19 Speaker 0: What do you think, Will? Well, 24:22 Speaker 1: I don't think that 24:26 Speaker 1: I agree with you there. I think the sublingual and shoot, even just capsules 24:30 Speaker 1: seems to be. And 24:32 Speaker 1: there's research studies are telling us that that is 24:36 Speaker 1: the best, the most bioavailable 24:38 Speaker 1: way to take it. Now some are saying it doesn't work with backwater. Like, 24:42 Speaker 1: sloop, and I've had experience with this too. 24:44 Speaker 1: I'll have some floop that just that mixing with backwater does not want to mix. So in general, it is a bit hydro phobic. 24:51 Speaker 1: Okay? But 24:53 Speaker 1: there 24:54 Speaker 1: is a difference between the quality of your, like, lyophilized 24:59 Speaker 1: sloop. Right? It should be able to mix with backwater and go clear. Okay? 25:05 Speaker 1: Even then, I still think 25:07 Speaker 1: so it should be. So if it's just not, you should probably return the product and get something different, 25:12 Speaker 1: get a new 1 that actually does. 25:15 Speaker 1: I 25:16 Speaker 1: still would do the sublingual or even capsules more 25:20 Speaker 1: than than that. Now the DMSO 25:23 Speaker 1: is is interesting. People are reconstituting 25:26 Speaker 1: it with DMSO and then literally squirting it on their skin and letting it absorb into their skin. 25:33 Speaker 1: Now I have been our chemist 25:36 Speaker 1: and others have told me that 25:39 Speaker 1: that gets kind of sketchy because sometimes 25:42 Speaker 1: it will absorb depending on any impurities, 25:45 Speaker 1: anything that's in your sloop, right, it could 25:48 Speaker 1: absorb way too fast and too much is hitting your bloodstream. 25:52 Speaker 1: It could do nothing to you. 25:54 Speaker 1: And I would say stay away from that. 25:57 Speaker 1: Okay? My 26:00 Speaker 1: best advice would say would be find oh, okay. And the last 1 was so it would be take them 26:05 Speaker 1: orally. Take SLUEP orally. Now with all the data coming out, everyone has been underdosing SLUEP. Like, it's crazy. I have heard this too from some of our guys. Heavily 26:15 Speaker 1: out there. 26:16 Speaker 1: 400 26:18 Speaker 1: mg, 26:19 Speaker 1: okay, daily of SLU-two. Do not I'm not saying you should do that. 26:24 Speaker 1: It's a lot. Right? I'm thinking so, you know, orally, 26:28 Speaker 1: I would say, 26:30 Speaker 1: I don't know, to be say 500 micrograms to 1000 micrograms, 26:34 Speaker 1: even up to I mean, even maybe 2000 micrograms, but 400 mg. Right? 1 mg is 1000 micrograms. 26:41 Speaker 1: K? 26:42 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 26:43 Speaker 1: But people are saying apparently, I mean, the word is that, a, you're only at, like, 26:49 Speaker 1: 5 mg is when you're really getting the full benefit of SLU-K-eleven, k, which is 5000 micrograms. 26:57 Speaker 1: So 26:58 Speaker 1: everybody's their own their own consenting adult, and they could do what they wanna do. 27:02 Speaker 1: Take that for what it's worth. 27:05 Speaker 1: I think personally, 27:07 Speaker 1: I want to take about 1000 27:09 Speaker 1: micrograms 27:11 Speaker 1: daily. 27:13 Speaker 1: That's what I wanna do. That's what I'm willing to do. I have a really good friend who is 27:17 Speaker 1: taking more than that, who's taking 5 mg. He's still alive and he's doing really well. And he says he likes it. But, yeah. 27:25 Speaker 0: That's what I got for you. Which 5 mg compared to 400? Like, holy shit. Woah. And again, 5 mg is 5000 micrograms. 27:34 Speaker 0: They must be rich. 27:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. That's gotta be Not cheap either. SLU-3s- SLU-3s not cheap. 27:40 Speaker 0: Well, it is amazing. I love it. I think it's great. 27:44 Speaker 1: Cool. Yep. Alright. My bad. 27:47 Speaker 1: Okay. This is a question for your podcast. Well, I wasn't sure where to put my question. Okay. I'm a 51 27:54 Speaker 1: year old. I played sports through college and have been taking Clo, 27:58 Speaker 1: which is KPV 28:00 Speaker 1: BPC 1 5 7 TB 500, 28:03 Speaker 1: aka Thymosin beta 4, and a GHKCu, 28:07 Speaker 1: copper pipette. So that's what Clo is with a K versus Glow. 28:12 Speaker 1: Glow is 28:14 Speaker 1: that but minus the KPV. So gut health. Okay. Been taking Clo for 2 months. Love it. No aches and pains. Skin is looking fresher, 28:22 Speaker 1: less wrinkles, more plump. I have a question. I'm a nurse and about to do a 2 month schedule of day and night shifts together. What would you recommend as far as peptides? I have a terrible time sleeping. 28:33 Speaker 1: I was thinking Tesamorelin 28:34 Speaker 1: and MOTS-1.2 28:36 Speaker 1: would love to get your guys' opinion. And, 28:40 Speaker 1: would I take the Tesa before I go to sleep? Thanks. Love your show. Maybe remind the listeners where to put their questions for the podcast. Maybe I missed it. Love your show. Look forward to it. Alright. We will make a note to make it very clear of where to write the questions 28:54 Speaker 1: if they want them to be on this podcast. 28:57 Speaker 0: Good call. I mean, I post them on my stories with the link generally the day or so before, but I will be better at doing that more often. 29:05 Speaker 0: Because I do come across that quite a bit. So, 29:08 Speaker 0: it's just old and my memory sucks and I'm like, oh shoot, I gotta get that out. So I'll try to be better. Alright. That's my fault. My fault. Now answers to this, right on, dude. I think that Tesamorelin 29:18 Speaker 0: is people are loving it before before bed and is helping you get to sleep and get a good night's sleep. And not, I mean, not to mention the 29:25 Speaker 0: recovery aspect of your of your HGH on the rides. 29:30 Speaker 0: I would absolutely take it before bed and in a fasted state. So try not to eat in 60 and 90 minutes before you take it. 29:38 Speaker 0: MOTS-c would be awesome. Well, okay. Well, we're on sleep. How about DSIP, 29:42 Speaker 0: delta sleep inducing peptide? 29:44 Speaker 1: Take that. Especially if you're getting I mean, especially even if you're getting not many hours of sleep, at least it kinda it puts you in the delta sleep and and is your restful sleep. So you'll get more actual recovery out of a shorter amount of sleep. 29:59 Speaker 1: MOTS- C. MOTS-three is awesome. I mean, there is to try to give you more energy, I would suggest, and I'm and I really like it, MOTS-three plus SS-thirty 30:07 Speaker 1: 1. 30:07 Speaker 1: Yep. 30:08 Speaker 1: And that is just helping ATP 30:11 Speaker 1: production, giving me more 30:13 Speaker 1: natural cellular energy throughout the day all day long. Though MOTS-thirty 30:18 Speaker 1: 1 really kind of go hand in hand. 30:22 Speaker 1: And 30:23 Speaker 0: I don't know. To not overwhelm you, what do you got? Yeah, I think that I knew you were gonna 31 in MOTS-seem. And I think that's great. As you probably have heard, if you've been following the podcast, are Will and I are both huge fans of those 2. I call it the peanut butter and jelly of peptides that is really gonna give you some pure energy, especially because you're gonna be working days and nights. You're definitely going to need this. Here's what I would say. 1 thing that I've been doing is I've 30:47 Speaker 0: been doing like midday. 30:48 Speaker 0: I usually kind of get tired around too, and I've been running NAD at that time instead of a coffee. I've been taking a higher dose of NAD and with whether it's placebo or not, it seems to be working really well. So I would start your morning or whenever you start work with the MOTS-three and the SS-thirty 1. Midday, or if you're starting to feel sluggish or tired, take a nice dose of NAD that goes well with both those anyway. And then right before bed, he already picked up the tab on that. Tesamorelin is 1 of my favorite peptides. I love it. 31:17 Speaker 0: I don't sleep well either. So I love Tesamorelin and the DSIP. 31:21 Speaker 0: Those 2 together, 31:22 Speaker 0: should do you well. But I think if you run that protocol, think that'll help out quite a bit. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. That sounds great. I need to start doing that actually. 31:30 Speaker 0: The NAD midday. It does, bro. I've been been doing it. It's been good. And finally, 31:35 Speaker 1: and this one's I mean, don't really have a great answer, but, Dave, for someone starting out with peptides, do you recommend a stack or plan to use them into the mix and learn what works best for them? 31:46 Speaker 1: Sorry. There's just so many peptides that do specific different things. The question is too vague. I just don't 31:53 Speaker 1: if you give us some direction of like 31:55 Speaker 1: what you wanted to accomplish with them. 31:58 Speaker 0: I would say we answer that like this. Let's say you're probably like most common people that you wanna burn fat and you wanna gain some muscle. Why don't you go that deal? 32:09 Speaker 1: My body hurts. 32:10 Speaker 0: Yeah, right. And I'm old and have old injuries. Like body pains and stuff, so easy math on that. I mean, Retrutide, 32:18 Speaker 0: the infamous Retrutide, 32:19 Speaker 0: I think that 32:21 Speaker 0: almost anybody is going to do well with Retatrutide 32:24 Speaker 0: besides like people like my wife who's just tiny and like she wants me to give it to her and I'm like, No, you're too small, you're not gonna you'll wither away to nothing. You know what I mean? So if you're super lean and tiny woman, don't take it. If you're a gal that's a little bit plumper for lack of a better way to say that. Absolutely, man. Run Reta. 32:41 Speaker 0: You 32:42 Speaker 0: can do a 5 Amino-1MQ 32:44 Speaker 0: to burn some fat. We're always gonna put a secretagog in there for I 32:49 Speaker 0: know Will and I both will agree on that. For women 32:52 Speaker 0: specifically, a Tesamorelin, 32:55 Speaker 0: maybe an Iporelin blend, if you're not gonna do the blend and maybe just the Tesamorelin, but yeah, so I would do the 33:02 Speaker 0: Retatrutide 33:03 Speaker 0: to burn the fat, maybe add in a 5 Amino-1MQ 33:07 Speaker 0: and at night, Tesamorelin, 33:09 Speaker 0: Ipamorelin fat burning would be fire. 33:12 Speaker 1: That'll look good. Agreed. Agreed. And so I'll do the, 33:16 Speaker 1: hey, if your body hurts a little bit and you got aches and pains, right? Start 33:21 Speaker 1: with the BPC- 33:22 Speaker 1: TB-five hundred blend, 33:24 Speaker 1: where it has 10 mg of BPC plus 10 mg of TB-five hundred. 33:28 Speaker 1: Love it. Add in 2 mLs of water and, 33:32 Speaker 1: hell, give yourself 20 units a day. Do that for 2 weeks. Tell me how you feel. Totally. 33:37 Speaker 0: You'll love it. You will 33:40 Speaker 1: will you'll love it. You'll feel so much better. Like, you know, things won't hurt. Joints will just will feel loose. 33:47 Speaker 1: You'll recover better. 33:49 Speaker 1: I love that stuff. So there's a basic 33:52 Speaker 0: no. Yeah, those are the ones I think are the kind of gateways into peptides, especially the TB and the blend of the BPC. I mean, anybody 34:00 Speaker 0: probably that follows my channels know the fact that I had gone through a back surgery. And I want to say it again because it's so powerful. The Wolverine stack was a big part of my healing going so fast. Now I took high, high doses 34:12 Speaker 0: for sure, but it is a freaking rad 34:16 Speaker 0: peptide. The Wolverine stack those 2 together, boom. So if you have any aches and pains, try that, it'll help. 34:24 Speaker 0: So I know that that's the end of the questions. I know that Will and I discussed this, we were talking about if we wanted to kind of throw this out there. So we're curious, we want to kind of throw out a fishing line and kind of see if people would be interested. As you all know, you see Instagram and these social medias, 34:38 Speaker 0: you kind of gotta walk a very tight line. You know, you get dinged on Instagram heavily if you say the wrong things. Trust me, I have to deal with it on a daily basis on the things that I post. 34:49 Speaker 0: And I talk to a lot of people as well. So you have to be very vague. It's gray. You have to walk a line. 34:55 Speaker 0: We have to be that same way because we don't want to get this podcast shut down. So the reason I'm saying that is we've been thinking about doing like a Discord to where we run it. You'd have to join the team. There'll obviously be a fee because we were going to be putting our time into it. But that way you have access to us through questions that are going to be directed to us where we control the channel, nobody else can control it. So we will be able to answer more freely and very directly, and we don't have to hold back as much and worry about this or that. It won't have to be so gray. 35:27 Speaker 0: So if that's something that, the listeners might be interested in, throw me some feedback, throw us some feedback on whatever you're, however you're finding this, whatever channel, if it's a podcast, YouTube, 35:40 Speaker 0: go on our Instagram channel, 35:42 Speaker 0: whatever, just throw us some DMs and let us know if that's something before 35:46 Speaker 0: we put work into it, if it's even something that people will want that way, can just answer more directly. Don't have to worry about how we answer it. Dude, and we have some really good resources, right? We have a professional 35:57 Speaker 1: we have a professional chemist. 35:59 Speaker 1: We have 36:01 Speaker 1: some other professionals in different fields that all relate into peptides, and they would all be a part of helping- 36:06 Speaker 1: Yep. Helping answer questions and having different discussions. 36:10 Speaker 1: Deep dives. Deep dives as well as 36:13 Speaker 1: yeah. So a lot more I think it'd be useful. Hopefully, people think that would enjoy 36:19 Speaker 1: that and would be into it. And 36:21 Speaker 1: again, 36:23 Speaker 1: everything that we say, man, this is all based on our personal experience. We're not promising anything or 36:28 Speaker 1: or nor are we doctors 36:32 Speaker 1: or really giving advice. We're just saying, hey. This what I've done, what I've seen done. Yeah. You're a grown up, do whatever you wanna do, man. 36:40 Speaker 0: 1 of the things that I think that we both love though is we're huge fans of peptides, 36:44 Speaker 0: obviously, and 36:46 Speaker 0: it is just man, it's coming, man. People are so intriguing. They're so interested. 36:52 Speaker 0: They are amazing. They are so able to heal a lot of different things out there. So I'm stoked that so many people seem to be researching and looking into them, man. They are amazing. So love it. Yep. Good for you guys. Thank you everybody who 37:05 Speaker 0: messaged it. Yeah. I appreciate all the kind words all the time, man. It means a lot to us. So yeah, that's gonna be it for today. Anything before we split? 37:14 Speaker 0: Nothing. All right, guys, we will be recording. 37:16 Speaker 0: You know, again, the podcast will be dropping pep time of the week on Monday. Q and A is gonna drop on Thursday, so this episode drops tomorrow. 37:23 Speaker 0: I will be better at putting out more of my stories with the link. You can click on and ask the questions. 37:29 Speaker 0: And other than that, we will catch you on the flip side. We'll catch you next time. You guys have a great day. Take care. Good night.