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0:54Speaker 2Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Cross the way like always with a good buddy, my friend, Mr. William T. Haas. What's up, dude? What's up, man? Happy Friday. Yeah. Good show today. Hohoo, good show today. Someone that Will and I greatly respect. We've been following him for years. We call him the godfather of TRT and
1:25Speaker 2big fans. I had told you this, but I wanted to quickly start on this story when Will and I started our company, small little dinky company and
1:33Speaker 2labeling our own stuff and just starting off, we always had Jake Campbell listening over the speakers.
1:47Speaker 0That's what life's about, baby. A lot attraction. So 1st off, thank you guys for having me, Will. It's nice to meet you virtually.
1:53Speaker 0I'm sure when we meet in person, we'll really chop it up and break bread together, but it's an honor.
2:07Speaker 0they had messaged me a couple months ago and said, hey, he wanted to do a podcast. And, you know, they're just doing what they do. They don't know that you and I know each other. And I wrote them back and I was like, dude, I'll go on JD's podcast whenever. I block 0.5 these people because it's like, no. But, I haven't had a chance to speak
2:29Speaker 0like you guys, I work inside the research space. I mean, my lawyer doesn't even like me saying that anymore. He likes to say the direct to consumer space because that's what it is, and we'll talk about that on this podcast. But
2:39Speaker 0I've got a lot to share. As I told you guys yesterday in a message, there's some things I can't share for
2:48Speaker 0is a lot of stuff that I wanna put into the ether because there's so many fucking retards and
3:10Speaker 0really a shred of a clue of what they're talking about. And that goes for Andrew Huberman.
3:15Speaker 0You know, that goes for all these people. I mean, I can name other big name influencers. They literally do not have a clue of what is going on.
3:31Speaker 0And you know, this guy, I'll just tell you guys straight up right now, it's Jeff Cohen.
3:54Speaker 0we knew 5 months in advance and just as we knew that, we also knew what was happening with the GLP space.
4:01Speaker 0And I can share with you guys all that because there's a lot of stuff that people still don't know about that. So we can go as deep as you want, but like I said, if there's certain questions you ask me that I don't answer, you know why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. Well, let's
4:12Speaker 3talk about that. Let's go as deep as you like. While we're at it, so shoot, while we're at Peptide Sciences, I think everybody wants to know. We
4:28Speaker 0So very truthfully, the owner of Peptide Sciences, which I'm sure you guys know who it is, he's out there close to you guys now,
4:39Speaker 0who really, you know, we all really need to pour 1 out for him because that dude created
4:56Speaker 0thousands of people have created lives and really good lives for themselves and their families and their loved ones because of what they were really able to do to carve the niche out that they did. And I think, yeah,
5:15Speaker 0a long time and very truthfully, because obviously I'm an OG in this space, tell people I've been using peptides since 2003,
5:30Speaker 0I would have gotten into the research space a long time ago and I'd be a gazillionaire and I wouldn't do a podcast because I wouldn't care. But the
5:54Speaker 0but if you ever went there, and I'm sure all of us have gone there many times, he had literally like the Wikipedia
5:59Speaker 0of peptide information, right? So they had built up so much of this giant knowledge bank or call it this, it was really like an Akashic records for health optimization. They had every single peptide,
6:37Speaker 0even guys like us to really get deep dive data because they really did a great job of collating all these studies. So anyway, the bottom line is,
6:45Speaker 0without going into full disclosure, because obviously there's certain things I can't tell you guys, but basically the owner of Peptide Sciences
7:08Speaker 0Overseas. Blah, blah, blah. Not true. Completely not true. Did not break any laws. In fact, I'll tell you guys this right now. They did not receive
7:23Speaker 0Were some phone calls made from some very high level people in the government, obviously.
7:32Speaker 0finances and your records, etcetera, and all that stuff. And they complied because they were a very obviously
8:00Speaker 0come after them in some way. So him, being the owner of Peptide Sciences, again not mentioning his name, hired the Rolls Royce
8:14Speaker 0before he decided to cash out, which was obviously at the end of February because I think this was announced in the very early part of March,
8:38Speaker 0he decided that, you know what? He was like, I don't want to deal with any of this pressure
8:42Speaker 0over my head or looking over my shoulder that they're going to come after me for some unknown reason. So very,
8:47Speaker 0very simply, he made a really great living for himself. He did very, very well and he'd literally just decided to cash out. Let me ask you, in
8:56Speaker 2your opinion, and it's obviously just an opinion, do you think that they were coming after him eventually? Do you think he jumped ship right before it sink?
9:12Speaker 0So this is what I think, and obviously I can't prove this and I want this for the record, this is my opinion. And this
9:28Speaker 0when I met with Cali Means in Las Vegas and I had a 20 actually probably a 25 to 30 minute 1 on 1 conversation with him which was set up by a mutual friend of ours, Tom Arts.
9:42Speaker 0he listened to me. He was very, very observant. He was very, very open ears. He did not interrupt me. He was actually a very cool dude. Very cool guy. Shout out to Kelly Means. Super cool guy. This is exactly what his comment to me was. He said after I told him my
10:03Speaker 0why we actually were developed, meaning the whole entire research space, as a competitor
10:13Speaker 0can't afford a doctor or don't want to pay a doctor for a script. They want to do it themselves. So that's the definition
10:21Speaker 0from a legal opinion standpoint. They look at the research space as the direct to consumer
10:31Speaker 0market that developed side by side the pharma market from people that didn't want to go down the pharma pathway. So that's how they look at it. But he said to me,
10:50Speaker 0So the truth is that all of us in the research space and obviously you guys now know because we're going talk about this, this actually even goes into the compounding space because if Eli Lilly had their druthers, they want to get rid of every compounder too because they see compounders making generic forms of GLP,
11:11Speaker 0Changing the molecular formula, adding hyaluronic acid, etcetera, and doing all these things they do. If they had their druthers, they'd get rid of everybody. That's what they're doing. If you guys have seen the SAFE CARES Act
11:22Speaker 0that they passed in December, which obviously hasn't been passed as legislation, but it's drafted in Indiana, which is Eli Lilly's hometown. Eli Lilly's territory. Yeah, you're right. So they
11:39Speaker 0GLP-three, and any future GLP-four or 5 or anything that's coming down the pipeline, which we can talk about. So it's like, it's a really weird world, but I said all that to tell you what my opinion about peptide sciences is. I think that Lilly pressured
12:19Speaker 0your chips off the table, that at some point we will come after you. And again, when I say come after you,
12:24Speaker 0you got to understand, and this is coming from my attorney and obviously I'm not an attorney, but I have smart attorneys that advise me. There's nothing they were doing that's illegal. Yeah, right. Okay, because I think you guys understand the gray market is very,
12:42Speaker 0are certain things that like the FDA doesn't have purview over in the research space and vice versa. So it's a weird thing.
12:53Speaker 0in the research space is if you're a bad actor, right? And we'll talk about that because there are a lot of bad actors. We can get to that in a 2nd. You've got to really be doing stupid shit like selling anabolic,
13:11Speaker 0Again, just doing everything wrong, not paying for an attorney to give you advice. So there's a lot of bad actors. But in the truth,
13:47Speaker 0hey, they're selling Tirzepatide and Semaglutide and these are obviously compounded FDA approved drugs and
14:01Speaker 0again, I heard about that back in 2023, but nothing ever came of it. Nobody ever got prosecuted. There weren't even any cease and desist letters as far as I understand. Maybe they got a cease and desist letter from Novo or something on SEMA. I don't know. But the reality is that from what I understand, and again I'm really close to the catbird seat in that deal,
14:21Speaker 0he literally just decided to cash out at the last 2nd. All the people that worked for him, which I'm very close to 1 of them as you guys know, basically found out the next morning.
14:44Speaker 0for marketing for BLL and all of a sudden I got the text message that said, we've decided to close. And so then I texted my attorney
14:53Speaker 0and said, what the hell is this? And he goes, I'm just finding out about it myself. I'll get into you. And then I texted so and so and I said, Dude, and he's like, I just found out. So it was really weird
15:17Speaker 0super influencer, I'll mention Andrew Huberman because he was all over the place, they all jumped to the conclusion it was the end of the research industry.
15:29Speaker 0right now, and this is where we can take this podcast, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk and any of the giant pharmaceutical manufacturer giants,
15:44Speaker 0do not get in their GLP lane because the way they see it is that they spent literally, let's just admit it, $1,000,000,000 probably each
16:04Speaker 0then they're not even going be able to keep up because obviously in the research space with all this biomedical
16:12Speaker 0mean there's so many amazing chemists making amazing things like you gotta fix it. Now Marty Makary, obviously the head of the FDA,
16:21Speaker 0he's been making a lot of good comments saying that he knows that the FDA approval process is antiquated and out of sorts and that they need to fix it and they need to get things faster to market.
16:37Speaker 0getting the FDA to make changes is like turning a fucking aircraft carrier in a Class 5 hurricane.
16:59Speaker 0Went public 3 weeks ago on Rogan saying, 'Hey, we're going to unroll the class 2 to class 1 and there's gonna be a big boom into the peptide space. But, you know, I've talked to some very smart people in the regulatory side, and they're like, It's not gonna happen like he says it is. Yeah. You know, because they still have to do safety studies. I mean, blah blah blah. I mean, when is any government-
17:19Speaker 01 year. Happened that fast? Does any government move in-depth? I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see it roll back for a whole another year. Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like everybody's expecting it all to happen and everybody in the clinical space, which I talk to so many of those people every day is like so excited. Oh, it's going be the greatest thing. Now look, it's actually not going to be the greatest thing for people who rely on peptides from a prescription
17:47Speaker 0price goes parabolic. Yeah, that's what they do. Price is literally going to go parabolic and combined.
17:54Speaker 0Well, think about this. Plus, there's and we need to talk about this, but they're also attempting, meaning Lilly,
18:00Speaker 0their lobby, etcetera, even Novo behind it now and places like HIMSS is all mobbed up with Novo,
18:06Speaker 0they want the compounders to go under. They want them to go under. They're gonna go after every 503B
18:41Speaker 3what people don't get, man. That's like, dude, man. And I don't know. I think there's a problem with that because I just,
18:55Speaker 2I mean, if that, you know, that's how the life is. That's how life is, how markets are. They go after those companies, but what about companies like the research companies? So it sounds like you're not too worried about that.
19:38Speaker 0God knows. Look, nobody even knows this. I'll share this with you because I don't care. New York Magazine,
20:01Speaker 0and they bought 15 different peptides from 15 different manufacturers and they tested them.
20:17Speaker 0So I think that's actually a good way to spin it for us that it probably is where we're at right now with all these retards because you guys know we have to talk about the retards.
20:35Speaker 0of research peptides right now are 1 of those 3 things. Right? Mean, nobody their little brother has peptide company. Listen, how many people have come to you guys and said, Oh, I tried peptides. That shit.
21:15Speaker 0Shit doesn't work. How many times have you heard that? They're getting fake fucking peptides.
21:21Speaker 3didn't lose any weight. You got bunk stuff. Yep. Absolutely. And everybody try I mean, in this everybody
21:27Speaker 3they're like, Oh, I have a friend who wants to buy a, who wants to buy peptides. I think I
21:32Speaker 3looked on the internet and I found something and I'm sold it to him. So I have a peptide company. I'm just going to do this again.
21:37Speaker 2I mean, you know what I mean? Everybody has a friend. They sold a couple of peptides too. All of a sudden they got a company. Yeah. You guys, it's so insane. It's
21:45Speaker 0so insane that people like us who've been in this space, know our business, who know TRT, know peptides, know everything.
21:56Speaker 0we try to avoid it because it's so toxic, but you go on there and you get now targeted by people talking about peptides.
22:04Speaker 0So every now and then when I go on IG, I listen to some of these people and you guys, my God,
22:10Speaker 0like the average person talking about peptides on Instagram, and I don't have TikTok because they cancel me. I think, JD, you were the 1 that told me that I have like 5 impersonator
22:20Speaker 0accounts on TikTok. Some of them have like 50,000 followers. Me too, bro. I got a bunch. People send them to me all the time. That's weird.
22:28Speaker 0but like you think about like listening to these people talk about peptides and Will, that's exactly what it is. They literally bought peptides from us.
22:36Speaker 0They started using them. They're like, Holy shit, this is amazing. And they're like, How can I get into this business? And then literally 3 months later they're talking on whoever
22:44Speaker 0would listen to them, they're a peptide expert. The information is so bad. And you guys know this, AI
23:02Speaker 3in January, I remember when there was some of this, you know, a conference and then we had people that some of these guys who are,
23:18Speaker 3have no They idea what they're talking have no idea what they're talking about and that's just not possible. So how can and I agree, I mean, being in this space, I think there should be some regulation because that means to cut some I mean, there should be some barrier to entry. What does look like? Like, Jake, how do they do it? Have the whole thing. Guys, I sent you that article. I sent you that article, Peptide Game of Thrones.
23:37Speaker 0Great article. I don't know that woman, but great job, whoever she And when I read that, I was like, wow,
23:42Speaker 0this woman is either, you know, in Jeff Cohen's inner circle or has a pipeline to Jeff because no 1
23:59Speaker 0the end of her summary conclusion, let's say it was a huge article, it's like 15,000 words, but at
24:05Speaker 0the very end she made a lot of predictions and she's literally off on 75% of her predictions because I actually know where it's going, we can talk about that.
24:24Speaker 0right after I talked to Cali Beans, right? We need a seat at the table, guys. We gotta have a lobby. Gotta have people that respect what we do. Because listen, this is what Jeff says and this is what's probably the most important thing I'll say on this entire podcast, and that is
24:45Speaker 0because they believe that every research peptide is being made in somebody's basement and doesn't have 3rd party testing, doesn't have batch and lot numbers, etc. And so we have to defeat that
25:00Speaker 0Way we do that is by A) we build a lobby, which American Peptide Association is doing, and then B)
25:10Speaker 0every single legitimate research company will have to go through. And again, I can explain what that means. It's very simple.
25:34Speaker 0And then you would also have to test it for heavy metals and endotoxins, which by the way, that's going be the next part of our business that's going to explode is all those companies are going to come out.
25:58Speaker 0age. So you're going to get all these things where you're going to know what you're deficient in peptide wise. So all that stuff's coming but if
26:15Speaker 0again, 75% of the research companies will go away because we clearly know they can't do any of that. You guys know there's tons of people faking certificates of authenticity.
26:34Speaker 0a high end resolution thing and then send it to people? Then it's like, mean, we've done this ourselves. We've literally found people all over the international market. I mean, have literally created biolongevitylabs.uk.oh
26:58Speaker 0So look, man, all that shit is going to go away. Know, if you ask Jeff and I was with Jeff yesterday on a 90 minute call, he thinks that it'll be,
27:24Speaker 0that Lilly, because they have so much power Yeah. You know, shakes down Visa, Mastercard, American Express,
27:54Speaker 0in their world, in the regulatory world, they call them NSIs, non sterile injectables, which you guys and I know that's a scam because of course they're fucking sterile.
28:01Speaker 0But they call them non sterile injectables that they come out of not come out of pharma. So
28:18Speaker 0depends on how insulated you are as a business. What is your revenue? Like we were talking off air about these groups.
28:25Speaker 0Are you stable? Do you have very low chargebacks? Do you run a legitimate business? Do you have legitimate customer service, etcetera? So I don't think there's any existential threat to the research space other than through that pathway. Look, here's the other thing, and this is very important. We
28:44Speaker 0spoke about this before and I want to think it was when you and I had our podcast in what, September of last year?
28:54Speaker 0JD, Jeff said this to me when I 1st, I mean, I've known him or of him for a long time, but when we 1st met and he became my attorney and, you know, a client, etcetera, have attorney client privilege, it was like back in September
29:26Speaker 0Look at, you know, because let's mention some of these guys, because some of these guys are my friends. You know, Sean Norian, he's got a lot of enemies. He owns Empower. They're the biggest compounder in The United States. I've known Sean literally for 12 years. He's a very close friend of mine.
29:45Speaker 0Lilly, specifically Novo, because again, think about this guy. Think about what they did to these guys. In 2022 and 2023,
30:02Speaker 0some emergency use legislation right now to give you guys power to fill our supply overrun
30:10Speaker 0And so they all said, Sure, sure, sure. So then they buy all the raw ingredients, they do it all due, they sell it. And then literally 1.5
30:21Speaker 0fuck you. We're going to fine you and try to shut you down if you do sell it. So yeah, they sued them
30:42Speaker 0they're winning at state level. Wow. Lilly has all the money and they have all the patent attorneys and all the counsel attorneys, but they're losing at the state court level because the courts are like, you guys do not own a monopoly. You cannot just get rid of everybody.
30:58Speaker 0That's what they're trying to do. That's literally what they're trying to do. So my guess is that you will see
31:12Speaker 0as Jeff says, you can't just get rid of the consumer, the direct to consumer market, again called the RUO, research use only space, because that would be the only alternative
31:24Speaker 0compounded medications, which as you guys know, we already talked about it, they're going go up 5 to 10 times in So
31:46Speaker 0The way the supply chain works inside the compounded space is the 503Bs and the 503Cs make it. And then the 503As
31:55Speaker 0And then they sell it to the scripts, you know, .co and all the middlemen and stuff like that. Obviously, telehealth platforms, the clinicians,
32:13Speaker 0You've shrunk the supply even worse. I mean, imagine the price. It's going to be insane. No 1 will be able to afford it.
32:34Speaker 0away within 18 months because again, there will be some sort of supply chain vetting. There will be manufacturer vetting. And if you don't pass muster, you go under. Yeah.
32:43Speaker 2Well, that's thing though. Good companies are doing it right. The companies are doing it right because they can afford it and they're putting the money up and they're testing them like they should. And it should be that way.
33:07Speaker 0The reason that is, is because the research company, again, the direct to consumer company
33:33Speaker 0then it has to be better than the research company. Again, there's still people that think that.
33:40Speaker 0You guys, that's the majority of people that think that because doctors tell them that. Dude, the majority of doctors
33:50Speaker 0You know, it's like, are you guys crazy? Yeah. But, you know, Jeff talks about this because he defends these people, you know, at the state level all across the country.
33:59Speaker 0And he swears and he'll he'll say this, you know, he'll put his hand on the Bible and say this. He'll say,
34:18Speaker 0And he's like, whenever there's human involvement or human elements, he's like, you're going to have bad actors
34:23Speaker 0just as you're going to have good actors. And so he's like, there's no difference. He goes, I don't see anything different from research to the compound space. It just comes down to the owner and how willing is that person to either confirm or not. Exactly. This
34:40Speaker 3because I wanna, I wanna ask you some questions before we run, before we run out of time at some point. Med V,
34:49Speaker 31st of all, why would that owner say that? I mean, isn't he gonna catch some criminal charges now?
35:16Speaker 0So what ended up happening, I mean, it's true, but it's not true in the way it was portrayed that he was guilty of all these things. So what ended up happening is that he had some bad affiliates
35:41Speaker 0to both the FDA and the federal government. He's already wrote a long letter because I actually read the letter on Twitter like 2 days ago, but he's also been he's basically said, Hey, look, I'm completely
35:50Speaker 0innocent of this. I had no idea that this was happening. He's definitely going get a huge fine because he's 1000000000 dollar company,
36:07Speaker 0kind of a farce AI really is. Because if he did it or they did it for him, how many other people are doing this in our space right now? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. That makes more sense. That makes more sense. Yeah,
36:19Speaker 0when I 1st run it, I was like, holy shit. And then I saw his letter like 3 days later and I was like, Okay, this makes more sense. But it didn't make sense because I was following that guy's story because I'm in this like mastermind,
36:31Speaker 0that, you know, people in the longevity space and we were following the story for the last year. So when I 1st read that, I was like, That guy's not that dumb. I've heard him talk before.
36:39Speaker 0So again, he's taking advantage of. But you guys know this, even for us in our businesses,
36:45Speaker 0what's to stop an affiliate from going out there and doing crazy shit that we don't know about?
36:50Speaker 2A- I got a question about that because we don't use affiliates for that reason. A few, but like, so you sound like you do quite a bit. Was kind of,
37:00Speaker 2does that work out well for you? How many do you have, if you don't mind me asking, you don't need to know that, but we chose not I'm to do
37:06Speaker 0happy to talk about it. It works very well. It works very well. We don't have, I don't know what our current, you know, actually how many people are at our field network. I mean, it's definitely the Perito principle, you know, 20% does 80% of the business. I'm
37:26Speaker 0the whole I mean, again, very few people know this and I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag, but peptide sciences did the majority of their business internationally.
37:39Speaker 0and so many high wealth or high income affluent people in the international communities who had
37:47Speaker 0Think about all the people that want to buy shit from us in the international market and we can't even get it through customs.
38:08Speaker 0week from Wednesday, this coming Wednesday, I'm flying to Corfu, Greece In a way. To do like a mastermind for like, you know, there's not a single person in that room probably less worth less than $100,000,000
38:19Speaker 0to talk about peptides. So, you know, there's going to be conversations around probably that kind of stuff happening, but
38:31Speaker 0it's just very difficult to get peptides outside of The United States. Mean, there are people still shipping them into Canada, but as you know, if you ship anything to Canada, that's a coin flip too. They can seize it and never give it back. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. That is true. So the to end the research
38:48Speaker 3the research use only talk real quick. So it's your lawyer, Cohen, that is is starting that
38:55Speaker 0Yeah. It's already available. You guys should actually join. The union. I highly recommend you guys join it. Paul Bactiara, I'll guys
39:15Speaker 0people that actually have a fucking clue, which is very few of us. And so like, I highly recommend, I'll connect you guys with Autumn
39:23Speaker 0who really runs it and say, Hey man, these guys are my good friends. They have a research company. They want to get involved. Yeah, because honestly that's the only chance
39:40Speaker 3I guess big pharma can really shut down the direct to consumers is financially, is through the finance, through the banks and processors.
39:48Speaker 0The people are saying the Department of Justice is coming after you. Department of Justice is Well, I mean, mean, I mean, I I wanna there is a is caveat. If you're a bad actor, you know, if you're a bad actor
40:00Speaker 0SARMs, stupid shit that you shouldn't be selling, then, you know, they they can always come out to you in that way, but that's because you're breaking some sort of estate Yeah, statute
40:11Speaker 0the easiest way to not get in trouble is to separate everything, to make sure that you follow the rules of direct to consumer.
40:18Speaker 0You can't have people messaging you and then asking you how to dose your products or how
40:24Speaker 0to cycle a product or anything like that. Everything has to be like, Hey, we're a research use only company. We can't tell you how to use it. We sell it for research purposes only.
40:32Speaker 0So there's a little bit of a, you know, I wouldn't call it a game, but you really do have to understand what you're doing being in the space.
40:38Speaker 0But I mean, yeah, unless you're a bad actor and you're breaking the law or really doing something criminal,
40:46Speaker 3That's awesome, man. So curious, can you tell us you're ahead on everything, right? Some
40:58Speaker 0or that you've used them as new? What do you got in there? There's actually a lot of stuff. Hold on. Let me let me get my book real quick.
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42:10Speaker 0dug everything up, but Hell yeah. The cool part about the book is there's a lot of science, it's very technical,
42:19Speaker 0that's 1 page. So if you don't wanna fucking read the book because they're so technical, just read the summary takeaway of every chapter. In the in the book, we have what is coming. It's called the pipeline.
42:35Speaker 0in the book and say it's the greatest drug in the history of the world as of right now, but in 2 years it may not even be relevant.
42:49Speaker 0the small molecules, however you want to call them, that BioLongevity Labs launched in December. And again, this comes from our chemist, Mike Farber,
43:16Speaker 0like you. I respect you. He's like, I really want to do something to change the world for you. And he didn't tell me who he was. Yeah. So
43:27Speaker 0are you talking about? Right? And he then sends me back a link to all of his drug patents. I'm like, What
43:33Speaker 0the fuck? Right? So I'm like, I sent to the partners, I was like, I think we need to have a call with this guy. So we did.
43:47Speaker 0You probably have already looked at my drugs I built. I mean, you guys, this guy created an injectable ivermectin.
43:55Speaker 0dude doesn't need money. You know, he's completely set. He's 75 years old, but he wants to help. He's like,
44:07Speaker 0album and binding constructs. So it's like the longest 0.5 life of any drug ever designed. And he goes, It changes the game for pretty much everything. He's like, But this is just him on a Zoom call with us and he's in Thailand.
44:19Speaker 0He's just a white dude. He's American, but he lives in Thailand. Now he's 75. He's got a daughter. He's absolutely
44:24Speaker 0jacked. I mean, the guy's like, for 75 years old, he's like insane shape. But he's like,
44:29Speaker 0I'm going to fly over. I'm going to meet with you guys. He's like, I'm going to bring you FLGR-two
44:35Speaker 0and I'm going to bring you guys Clotho. Now we knew what Clotho was because obviously a lot of the longevity doctors are talking about it. They spent billions of dollars of research. They're down in the economic free zone off the coast of Honduras. They've been selling fucking
44:51Speaker 0for like 5 or 6 years. But anybody who's ever gone down there that, and I know a lot of people that have, not myself, but other people, they're all told me I didn't notice shit. I got
45:00Speaker 0the clonidine thing was already known, but the recombinant follistatin was a totally separate molecule.
45:19Speaker 0There's all these different modified versions of Follistatin, but the problem with all of them was twofold. Number 1, very short 0.5 life.
45:30Speaker 0and you got to do it right before you train, after you train, etcetera. Then the other thing was
45:35Speaker 0it binds to actin, so it can increase the size of the heart, increase the size of internal organs, blow up your prostate,
45:42Speaker 0blah, blah, blah. So it's a shit drug and it always was a shit drug. Obviously some pro bodybuilders would use it because size was everything and they wanted to increase shoulder,
45:57Speaker 0ever understood how to do what Mike did to it. And so what Mike did to it is he took a it's actually the 03/18 version of it, I think. Correct me, I'm pretty sure it's the 3 18 version of it. But anyway, he changed
46:09Speaker 0the binding construct so that it's a 19 day 0.5 life. So you can basically take a very low dose of it. And I sent JD some pictures of this
46:30Speaker 0in Southern California and I think he took 1st place in his division, 2nd place overall in the whole show. He's definitely a guy that's gonna compete for the Physique Olympiad. He's got an insane physique.
46:43Speaker 0and he was on it for 2 months and he sent me his pictures earlier this week and he's like, Bro,
46:48Speaker 0what the fuck? He's like, There's nothing like this drug in the world. So that's just 1 guy who's a pro competitor
46:55Speaker 0who knows how to diet, who knows how to eat, knows how to do everything right. We have
47:13Speaker 0is without a doubt 1000000000 dollar drug, perhaps even bigger because we have people in the cattle industry
47:19Speaker 0that want to purchase access to the patent to beef up their cattle. Mean, think about it. You want to beef up your cattle, you're going make a fucking lot more money.
47:34Speaker 0and again I mean a male or female who's not a competitor, who just want to live longer,
47:46Speaker 0because it burns fat, it's lipolytic, and obviously it's anabolic depending on how much food you eat. Now, you take it and you don't eat a lot of food,
47:57Speaker 0But if you eat, you're going to put on serious size. Dude, we've got people that have put on bodybuilders, not like that guy you saw,
48:17Speaker 0no heart enlargement, no internal organ growth, nothing. Honestly, I've been using it myself
48:36Speaker 0every other day. I'm the biggest and leanest I've ever been. I'm literally I walk around now at 2 19 and I always walked around at like 2 0 9.
48:44Speaker 0Wow. So I've gotten much bigger from it and I haven't changed anything else. I mean, obviously I'm always on TRT,
48:50Speaker 0but I've just gotten bigger. And when people see me now, like in the gym or in street clothes, they're like, Dude, what the fuck happened to you? So, I mean, I've
48:57Speaker 0gained definitely a solid 7 to 9 pounds of muscle and I've also just got, I mean, I'm just as lean, if not leaner. Mean, I haven't measured my body fat, but I've gotten my labs done twice
49:25Speaker 0So all you have to do with clotho is you have to just take it once every 2 weeks. That's all it is. It's just a very low, it's basically 10 micrograms,
49:42Speaker 0very slight increase of 10 micrograms every 2 weeks, you will be in a zone where you will lower your biological age.
50:01Speaker 0Like if you're in your 40s, 50s or 60s and you start taking Clotho, you're going to have a much better sex drive. You're going have much better sensitivity, better erections. Women get wetter faster.
50:10Speaker 0But like I think the older people that have been taking it, they all tell me amazing stories of better vision,
50:28Speaker 0that it is involved in that just by taking a microdose of Clotho, you're going to improve your biological age. You're going to be younger
50:39Speaker 0My wife and I have been taking that product since we 1st got it literally in July of last year,
50:45Speaker 0and I can't see myself ever going off of it. It's just such a game changer. Oh, really? You're taking it for too. Hey, can I ask you,
51:33Speaker 3read really. That's kind of where I get my information. I appreciate the actual books, man. I didn't know there was that much to say about GLP-1s,
51:41Speaker 0so I'll take a look at that book. Yeah, hell yeah. Awesome. Well, I mean, I'll send you guys, I'll send you guys a copy. I have no problem sending you guys a copy and I'll send you guys a PDF of it right now. Because you're not, you know, you don't want to carry it around. I mean, I'm not joking. It literally weighs probably like 18 pounds. Hell yeah, man. That's awesome. That's
51:57Speaker 3awesome. So question, I guess here's a question for you. You are a bit, you are busy. You have your hand in, well, you're doing a lot of things. Is there any companies or
52:14Speaker 3like, yeah, don't know. Yeah. And then what's your favorite thing that you do? Like you speak, you write books, you have you run these companies, I guess. What do you what do you really like doing of all of that? What parts of it? What do you dislike? What is the stuff that you hate doing?
52:29Speaker 0Man. You don't have to disclose that. So actually, no, no, I will. I'm open book. I am involved in building something that's going to change the world a 100%.
52:39Speaker 0That's why I sent you guys that article. So there's a lot of clues inside that article.
52:43Speaker 0If you guys read that article, it will definitely take you 20 minutes to read it, but it's so weird I read that it, cool. It's really You already read it? Okay, awesome. It really separates everything.
53:06Speaker 0because you guys know this, like in order, it's so sad in the corporate world these days, but like to build something lasting, have to really handle the legal regulatory spot 1st.
53:36Speaker 0where these folks are coming into Tampa and we're literally going to be in a boardroom all Tuesday, all Wednesday, and all Thursday to
53:51Speaker 0the world because like I said, you know, I want people and you guys do too, we all do. The good actors all want this. We want people to be safe.
54:05Speaker 0that they know that what they're getting is 100 label claim. And right now that's unfortunately not the situation. And as
54:16Speaker 0probably the last 5 months, the book came out in early February or middle February, excuse me, but in the last 5 months I've been talking about it is the
54:33Speaker 0And the reason that that is, is because there's 0 education in the space. The difference between us and them is that we know how to use them.
54:45Speaker 0with them. We know how to eat with them. We know how to train with them. We know how to get the right sleep with them. We know how to do everything else. Whereas all those people get none of that. They're not hormonally optimized.
54:56Speaker 0The doctor doesn't tell them what to do. They don't know they need to eat more protein. They don't know they need to lift weights. And then on top of that, a lot of them won't do it anyway because they're fucking lazy. Was going say that, Yeah, which is that's the
55:09Speaker 0biggest problem. They think it's an easy button. They were like, Oh, I don't have to do any of this. But again, it's not because,
55:18Speaker 0it's because they're not being told. The doctors don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo care about making 1000000000000 dollars a year.
55:29Speaker 0They don't care about people getting healthier. They're not gonna teach people to microdose GLPs.
55:44Speaker 0a week. And then they take them to 9 and 12. Can you imagine if a healthy person took 6 mg of retrutide,
56:13Speaker 0is to educate people. Hell yeah. That's literally our job. It's not, there's nothing else. Like there's so many options. If they're going to go out there and buy fucking $49.99
56:26Speaker 0But we can at least educate them on how to do this shit right. And look, man, like, you listen to that asshole Trevor Bachmeier. I mean, that guy's a fucking retard. Yeah. He does everything he does. Does he does. He He
56:41Speaker 0or for clickbait or engagement farming or whatever it is. Mean, you guys ever look at his actual views? He's got like 1,700,000
56:48Speaker 0followers and he has low views. So, I mean, all of his followers are fake. Oh, no. It's all fake. But there are smart people in social media,
57:02Speaker 0who do watch it and then they come to us and they're like, Why is this guy saying this? Like, Hey, is this true? And you're like, No, it's not true. But
57:10Speaker 0I mean, it's like he says things to get a rise out of people. So the fact that I even mentioned him on this podcast has probably given him too much credit. But honestly,
57:19Speaker 0I'm just over the fact that there are so many complete buffoons on social media talking about these products and confusing people because that's what's happening is they're just confusing the people that don't understand it like we do. True
57:41Speaker 3well, the Cmax, Selanks are easier to feel, but, you know, the Cerebrolysin, Pinealon, Dihexa, you know, I don't know. What's your take on a lot of those? Well, give me just some standouts, some general kind of opinions on life.
58:11Speaker 0a little bit stronger cognitive performance throughout the day. And I feel like a little bit more calm. That's 1 of the things it really does is it kind of calms me. Like I think it
58:21Speaker 0really relaxes GABA pathways in the body. So I mean, I think that's what it does, but it's also 1 of those peptides where like you can't take too much because your body will be overstimulated with those pathways that it works on. So you can only really do it like a month at a time. And I think that the correct dosage is like every other day or 3 days a week.
58:39Speaker 0And then really, like I said, for maybe 4 weeks and then go off of it for 4 to 6 weeks again after that. I feel nothing on Selank. I feel nothing on
59:03Speaker 0hundred 47, and that's like a stage 2 Alzheimer drug right now that really is And doing
59:10Speaker 0I feel like a good lift for that, but I can't use, it really just makes everything brighter, I can't use that for very long.
59:17Speaker 0I might be able to take it a couple days a week and then after that I gotta go off of it because
59:24Speaker 0not a really good guy to ask about nootropics because I've never really needed nootropics, but the ones that I take, I just don't feel much, but I really do like Cerebrolysin
59:36Speaker 3as me, you may or may not know, like JD and I both have been sober and so are sober and have been for years for a reason because we like to, we have had some struggles with like real drugs in the past and I'm just not very sensitive to a lot of those things.
59:51Speaker 3You know, and obviously I hear different things, but yeah, I'm a tough 1 too. My answer is kind of similar to yours. I got a question. It's hard to feel. With
1:00:04Speaker 3If you could choose 1 and that's the only thing, the only peptide you could take the rest of your life, what would be?
1:00:25Speaker 0it would be whatever comes from that, right? Because I talk about in the book, like the stage 4 and the stage 5 agonists are in the pipeline, right? Like a stage 4 agonist- that look like? Yeah,
1:00:35Speaker 0the stage 4 agonist is just myostatin inhibition. So we have it now, right? You can use FLGR
1:00:42Speaker 0and you have a stage 4. It's as simple as that, right? But there'll be obviously ones coming that'll be a
1:00:58Speaker 0Wow. You know, your metabolic rate will just increase from just sitting there and walking around. Geez.
1:01:06Speaker 0Oh yeah, it'll be safe. I mean, you can take right now, like we just launched, I mean, well, actually we didn't launch. I launched it into my body 4 days ago, but BAM-fifteen.
1:01:16Speaker 0We have a product called BioBam and BAM 15 has been in the market for about a year and 0.5,
1:01:22Speaker 0but everybody underdoses it because again, it's another example of people not misinterpreting
1:01:29Speaker 0But you have to take at least 500 to 600 mg a day of Bam 15 or you're not going feel So
1:01:35Speaker 0we have a product, if you take 3 caps a day, it's 5 75 mg, 120 cap bottle. I literally just got it sent to me on Monday and I started taking it on Tuesday. So today's-
1:02:16Speaker 0I've been taking 3 cups a day. I've been taking low dose, you know, again, the recommended dose.
1:02:21Speaker 0And so far, haven't really noticed anything. It's not increasing my body temperature or anything like that. I mean, again, it's nothing like DMP,
1:02:28Speaker 0but it works in similar mechanisms to DMP. So I'll be interested to see, I mean, chief science officer swears that if I take it for a month, I'll notice fat loss.
1:02:41Speaker 0can't be on it for a long time because it's an uncoupler and uncouplers are doing bad things in the body. So you got take a lot of antioxidants.
1:02:53Speaker 0What's the other thing? Urolithin A, things like that to really make sure that you're repleting things that are being depleted.
1:03:01Speaker 0But I think my answer is probably twofold. I think it's probably going to be Melanotan-one
1:03:07Speaker 0because I love the consciousness enhancement. I love getting into stillness. It really helps me meditate and do stuff in the morning when I really want to be like reflective or contemplative or introspective.
1:03:35Speaker 0Oral SLU-3P is an amazing product. Absolutely amazing cap. Think they sell 100 mg. What can say?
1:03:44Speaker 0making high dose now, but we were the 1st company to make high dose. And I took the low dose product
1:03:58Speaker 0low dose SLU-twenty 24 and I was literally taking like 200 micrograms a day and so was my wife and we both got leaner. I mean, we actually did a photo shoot
1:04:12Speaker 0I was probably 6.5%, 7%. I didn't even diet. It was crazy. Now granted, I was still using a microdose of Retta, but both of us got really good results from that. And then, you know, the Gorilla Chemist came to me and was like, Dude,
1:04:24Speaker 0this is all wrong. We got to do higher doses of the SLU-3. And I was like, What? And so then I read the research and I was like, Holy fuck.
1:04:56Speaker 0negative thing, and it's not negative from a health standpoint, but if you take high dose SLU-four
1:05:11Speaker 0producer that you are going to be eating everything in your fucking house. Mean, just
1:05:20Speaker 0just again your need for glycogen and carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates. So it's not really, in my opinion, it's not really a drug you want to take around if you want to be shredded or you're dieting for a show or something like that. But if you need to gain size,
1:05:34Speaker 0fuck dude, testosterone and 800 mg of SLU-4like 8 weeks in a row is definitely going to put size on you because you're going get Wow, like
1:06:01Speaker 0I do think that if you're taking a high dose SLUIP cycle you shouldn't go any longer than 6 to 8 weeks. I think you should and then you should stay off of it for that long. Look, you could actually run
1:06:12Speaker 0SLU-3.5 at high dose for 6 to 8 weeks. And by the way, for women, high dose is 200 mg. My wife, if she takes any more than 200 mg, she gets the runs.
1:06:32Speaker 0so you're going to get runs, especially as a woman, a small woman. My wife's tiny. She's five'five, like 127 pounds or 128 pounds. So it really gives her the runs.
1:07:00Speaker 0And I think our bottle is 120. Don't quote me on it. It's either 90 to 120. And we sell it for like $499
1:07:07Speaker 0So, you know, guys are going to be able to run ANNOVAR and Primo for much cheaper niches. Do
1:07:17Speaker 2and where it's going, they're going, they're going to rival any type of gear? Cause it sounds like it's, it's kind of approaching it in some forms, but do you ever think it's gonna
1:07:34Speaker 0right now, which is again, the recombinant folestatin to somebody who's never touched testosterone, so obviously none of us qualify. Yeah.
1:07:43Speaker 0Wow. Yeah. That's interesting. Like there's a guy I wish I had his pictures right now. I'd share the screen and show them to you guys, but there's
1:07:59Speaker 0He started with 2.5 mg in the 1st 4 weeks and then he went to 5 mg the 2nd 4 weeks and he literally looks like a guy who's on tests. Wow. I mean, it's That's insane.
1:08:22Speaker 0that you'll be able to use that. Now, obviously, I'm never going to speak against testosterone because remember, we want testosterone for the brain effects. Yeah, yeah.
1:08:37Speaker 0pathways and stuff. That's why we went tests. So I don't think there's ever going to be a replacement for that, but I definitely think,
1:08:45Speaker 0about this the other day, I really do think that anabolics that put a lot of risk to our
1:08:50Speaker 0vascular profile and our lipid profile and our liver profile, I think that those will be replaced. Really do think that
1:08:57Speaker 0I think Anabar, Anovar, Primo, and Winstraw will have no place in a person who's truly looking to be healthy long term. That's right. Awesome. Yeah. You know what I always say, I've always said like, God, I wish I could do more testosterone without getting any bigger.
1:09:17Speaker 0Yeah dude. And the other thing too is I think as you get older, you guys know this, like, you know, there's definitely, and obviously genetics plays a massive role, but like there's
1:09:25Speaker 0definitely a level of testosterone that you can take where you don't have prostate issues. You know what I mean? Because as you get older,
1:09:32Speaker 0your prostate grows naturally no matter what. So guys are on androgens or low doses, you know, surgically precise, you know, clinical doses of tests are probably going to have a little bit more hypertrophy. It's not negative in causing cancer, but it will increase the size. So I mean, just means you're going to piss once or twice a night. But I mean, fuck, if you disrupt your sleep when you're in your 50s and 60s, that sucks. You know, it's not the best. You know, you want to sleep at least 6 hours straight or hopefully if you can, 5 hours straight. So
1:10:00Speaker 0what's your antidote to that? Is there a way to fix that? Just deal with it. So put it this way,
1:10:06Speaker 0I mean, if that's something I've been working on for literally 4 years. I've looked at so many herbs.
1:10:21Speaker 0you know, shrink the increasing size of the prostate as you get older, right now there's really nothing there. There's been some studies done on some really weird
1:10:29Speaker 0roots in Africa, but nobody's made it into an elixir or even a capsule yet. It's too expensive.
1:10:35Speaker 0So I hold out hope that eventually there will be something because I think right now that's probably the biggest issue for most men over the age of 55 is like BPH.
1:10:44Speaker 0You know, having to piss twice a night. And I know guys on testosterone are always in that crowd. I'm 1 of them. I mean, I definitely, if I can sleep,
1:10:51Speaker 0if I don't drink any water or drink a protein shake before or I'm sorry, should say after 8 p. M, I usually can go all night only waking up once.
1:11:05Speaker 0you know, or if I'm drinking like, God knows when you're on SLU-3.5, it massively increases your electrolyte consumption. I mean, I'm waking up twice. I'm waking
1:11:23Speaker 3getting low in time, but is there any upcoming events? We talked about this recently. Any upcoming
1:11:29Speaker 0peptide conferences that you're excited about or what's the newest, what's the next 1? You going to go to the 1 in Peru that I saw I've been seeing advertised? I didn't even know there was 1 in Peru. I didn't know there was 1 in Peru, but I can definitely tell you guys that we are doing Peptide Palooza. So Peptide Palooza is going to be in Cancun.
1:11:46Speaker 0Nice. I want to say either the 3rd or 4th weekend of February next year, it's going be really big. You guys will start seeing ads for it and stuff.
1:12:00Speaker 0So putting it if you guys want to be involved in that, I'll reach out to you and let you know. But I mean, we really want to make it big. Want something
1:12:07Speaker 0the opposite of like fucking the seeds bullshit that we went to last year, which is, you know, a fucking joke.
1:12:12Speaker 2Dude. What an absolute joke. Hey, man, anywhere we can help with any of what we've talked about, you know, we're
1:12:29Speaker 0Mean, you guys, did you guys want to talk a little bit about testosterone? I know JD said he wanted to talk a little bit about it. Mean, I'm happy to, if you guys want to. Sure. I mean, we can always talk about that. We have a lot of doctors that come on and are you, what are your thoughts on AIs?
1:13:03Speaker 0truth about AIs is that, and this is what you really have to look at them, is that they're literally stage 3 and stage 4 women's breast cancer. That's where they were developed.
1:13:22Speaker 0cancerous buildup in a woman's breast tissue. So when you give them to men to suppress estrogen,
1:13:31Speaker 0only bad things happen. And they really are cell toxins. I've written many, many articles on my books about AIs.
1:13:44Speaker 0I didn't have the information then that I have now about AIs, and so we really didn't understand it. So in the very early part of using testosterone,
1:13:51Speaker 0we thought you wanted to block estrogen. Yeah, of course. Obviously we learned that that's the worst thing you can possibly do. But here's the truth.
1:13:59Speaker 0When doctors give men AIs because men are complaining of high estrogen symptoms, they don't have high estrogen symptoms. There's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms. What they have is insulin resistance.
1:14:12Speaker 0And men with belly fat, men that drink too much alcohol, men that consume lots of sugar based drinks,
1:14:23Speaker 0that's creating what their doctor, and of course they think are high estrogen symptoms, which are again,
1:14:35Speaker 0here in the waist. I mean, all of those things are due to insulin resistance and it's truly unfortunate that doctors don't understand this.
1:14:44Speaker 0And lot of bodybuilders like pros, and I had this conversation with Ben Pakulski when we did our Landmark podcast back in 2019, I think it was 2018 actually,
1:14:52Speaker 0that really was like the biggest testosterone podcast ever. It had like 1000000 views on
1:14:58Speaker 0YouTube. I think it still does or is over it, I guess, now. But Ben and I went really deep and Ben said, Look, goes, I always knew when I was competing
1:15:15Speaker 0It was the only way that he could take it. He was taking aromasin, but he said it literally felt like its head was in a vice
1:15:21Speaker 0when he was on it. And so he knew that it was toxic. He just knew it. He's very sensitive. Obviously, he's very spiritually connected guy, too. And so he just was like, I will never take that. And so when I told him, because he didn't know the level of I knew about the science of it, it all made sense to him. And that's when he was like, Fuck man. He's like, You really got to get this information out because there's too many guys that are bodybuilders that are taking this and they think it's great because they're on 2 g of tests a week and blah blah blah. But look man,
1:15:51Speaker 0If you take a high dose of an AI as a testosterone using man, not a bodybuilder, not a competitor, just a guy
1:16:28Speaker 0PFS, and it's the worst thing ever. They kill themselves. They literally kill themselves. And that's like a genetic component. There are some people that have horrible results for taking a DHT inhibitor and other guys can take high dosages of them and never even had a side effect, but they're still
1:16:48Speaker 0When I wrote these articles back in 2020, I think it was 2021 about DHT inhibitors and AIs,
1:16:53Speaker 0I think we said you're robbing Peter to pay Paul, right? So you're getting some sort of a blockage for whatever it is you're looking for, whether it's follicular
1:17:06Speaker 0lack of water retention, because obviously AIs do take water retention away or maybe even remove the itchy sensation at your nipples.
1:17:22Speaker 2where that gland is starting to grow, they're getting zits on their chest or their back, what would be your play with that?
1:17:42Speaker 0doesn't mean they have the gyno gene or they don't have the gyno situation because the sensitivity is
1:17:49Speaker 0if it's itching but not pronounced, and the reason that I know this is because I have both of my, I have the gene and I had
1:18:04Speaker 0even after I wrote the 1st book, Doctor. Joseph Cruz, who's out by you guys. The guy completely went insane, but he was the world's top
1:18:16Speaker 0Him and I became friends. But anyway, he went off the deep end. I think he had like a pain addiction,
1:18:22Speaker 0so I think he dropped out of society. But he was the top gyno surgeon in the world and him and I got into detailed conversations. But when he was performing gyno surgery
1:18:47Speaker 0percent of all men have gyno gene. Wow. Now does that actually mean? It doesn't mean that you're ever going to get gyno, but if you obviously take testosterone or anabolic steroids or get really fat,
1:19:01Speaker 0meaning the glandular expression happens is very high. And there's no solution except
1:19:13Speaker 0or any AI. Those are just temporary band aids. They mediate the symptoms, but they absolutely
1:19:20Speaker 0do not solve the issue. And so as you know, lot of bodybuilders, a lot of guys are ashamed of their
1:19:25Speaker 0gyno and so they take shit to suppress it, but they're not fixing it. So I always tell people, man, look, dude, if you
1:19:32Speaker 0got the gyno gene and you have gyno, just get it cut out. Hell yeah, man. Best decision I ever made, dude. Of course, bro. I mean, 100%.
1:19:40Speaker 0Yeah, cause you're, you're walking around and you're embarrassed to take your shirt off. Yeah,
1:19:44Speaker 0exactly. And it burns. As you know, it burns your kids come up and hug you and you're like, fuck.
1:19:49Speaker 3All right. How about HCG running, running concurrently with testosterone? What's your current view? Yeah. What do you think?
1:19:56Speaker 0I I think HCG is great, but here's the thing, if you don't want kids, you don't need it. You don't need it at all. If
1:20:09Speaker 0Ahead and inject HCG. But I've always said this, and again, I learned from really smart doctors who've mentored me,
1:20:18Speaker 0pulses if you're giving yourself HCG a test. Now look, if you're a young guy and you want kids, you have no option.
1:20:32Speaker 0when you get older like us and we're done having kids, you don't need HCG at all. Absolutely not.
1:20:41Speaker 0And I think, and I've always said this, for guys like us, they're doing cardio and shit, like big, hangy, fleshy, sacky balls is fucking ridiculous. That's how you get injured. You ride a bike. I'm
1:20:58Speaker 0Mean, people will be like, Oh, but my wife loves my fluffy balls. I'm like, Dude, your wife just got your dick.
1:21:04Speaker 0She doesn't give a fuck about your balls. She'll lift them. Tell you care about your balls.
1:21:13Speaker 2you never disappoint, man. We gotta get you, like if you're in Cali, man, let's get you live. I'll
1:21:17Speaker 0definitely come down there and sit down with you guys. Be awesome. We'll top it up. I will honestly, I'll be there.
1:21:23Speaker 0I'll probably be there in June for sure. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Stop by, What's up? Us know about the, about the Cancun. Well, I'm gonna connect
1:21:37Speaker 0JD, give me Will's or just have Will text me so I can put you guys together. Yep. And I'll connect you guys with them. And then, yeah, Peptide Palooza,
1:21:48Speaker 0give me about a week because we're building a deck for it right now, but a 100% I want, I only want people like us, right? I don't want any fucking retards. No retards coming. You know, there's going to be some audience people
1:22:00Speaker 0that will be newbies and stuff, but that's cool. We want them getting good information. But you know, my goal with this is
1:22:29Speaker 0I think the way we're going do this, and again, it's still being worked out, but we're going to have 1 main room
1:22:45Speaker 0where to inject, all that kind of stuff. So real hands on shit that you can get away with in Mexico.
1:22:50Speaker 0And then obviously every night we'll have like a dinner and I think pretty sure it's gonna be Thursday and Friday on Saturday night for people that stay for the weekend, because I'm sure most people will. We'll probably have like a giant fucking DJ event
1:23:04Speaker 2Love it, man. Sounds awesome. So, well, cool, man. Do you wanna leave where anybody can find you? Believe most people probably know, but where's the easiest place to find you? Yeah, man, for sure. Appreciate you guys asking.
1:23:20Speaker 0I don't even give my IG account anymore. I do have a backup account. It's jcampbell1971,
1:23:40Speaker 0and LinkedIn, but I mean, again, you can't find me. It's insane how suppressed I am there. Obviously
1:23:53Speaker 0articles now that are in the top 5 rankings on Google. So that's, you know, for the people like Will that actually can fucking read still,
1:24:06Speaker 0The smart people that still read, that's where they find me because all the articles are there and they're all for free. So again, it's just jacampbell.com.
1:24:29Speaker 0Book 10, I didn't tell you guys about that, is coming out this year. And it's actually being ghostwritten by,
1:24:36Speaker 0I guess I can let the cat out of the bag, it's being ghostwritten by the number 1 ghostwriter in the world.
1:24:47Speaker 0I have no idea what he's writing. It's kind of like a gag. 1 of my partners was like, I want to do this for you because I want to see what they put out compared to what you put out just to see. That's
1:24:57Speaker 0hilarious. I know they're to write about Clotho and Follistatin, and then they're going to write about like our lifestyle, you know, like what type
1:25:07Speaker 0And so I think they're going to come from that angle and then they're going to just kind of talk about me, but honestly it's all, it's being completely written without any of my influence. Oh wow. That's interesting. So I have no idea. I mean, I get to see the final transcript or manuscript at the very end and I can kind of say, you can't do You'll go away with me.
1:25:26Speaker 0sure it'll be like a roast. It'll probably be like some sort of a roast, right? But I mean, they definitely are definitely trying to
1:25:55Speaker 0Well, I mean, obviously there's 3 different receptors with the triple agonist, but each definite receptor
1:26:01Speaker 0binds somewhere between 7 and 15 times harder than retreutide. So you'd literally, you ready for this? You can take 50
1:26:13Speaker 0and get better appetite suppression, insulin signaling and nutrient partitioning than Retrutide right now. Holy shit. Damn. It'll be much cheaper and
1:26:24Speaker 0But we definitely don't know the dosing strategies yet because it's such a new product, but he is using it with a bunch of women overseas and he's seeing insane results. By the way, no nausea,
1:26:34Speaker 0no side effects. It's so small. It takes literally like 12 days to feel anything, but you just take a tiny, tiny amount and maybe he thinks like 2 injections a month. Wow. That's amazing. That's right. You better protect that from
1:26:52Speaker 0a beast with IP. He doesn't let anybody go after it and stuff. So we'll see. But my hope is they want to sell it. They want to start selling it in May, but I'm like, guys, we don't have enough data.
1:27:05Speaker 0For you. So anyway, that's coming. That'll be the next product in his 3 products, but I'm pretty sure that Ghostwriter is going to write about that product too, because I think they want this book to come out in September.
1:27:14Speaker 2Oh, that's cool, man. Good stuff. Means you made it, man. Well, it was a blast, man. We'll do it again soon and give us contact information. We'll jump on board with you, man. It's
1:27:24Speaker 0been a pleasure, my friend. You guys, man, I love you both, man. It was an honor. And I'm, you know, whenever you need me, I'm there and hopefully I'll see you in by June. All right, brother. Pleasure to meet you. He'll actually speak to you in person. Well, kind of virtually.
1:27:36Speaker 2All right. All right. You got it, my man. Alright, guys. We'll catch you next time. You guys take care.