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0:54Speaker 1Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Cross the way like always with a good buddy, my friend, Mr. William T. Haas. What's up, dude? What's up, man? Happy Friday. Yeah. Good show today. Hohoo, good show today. Someone that Will and I greatly respect. We've been following him for years. We call him the godfather of TRT and
1:14Speaker 1peptides and everything, all the above. He's a he knows a lot about a lot. So,
1:19Speaker 1infamous Jay Campbell,
1:22Speaker 1we are excited to talk to you. We're fans,
1:25Speaker 4big fans. I had told you this, but I wanted to quickly start on this story when Will and I started our company, you know, small little dinky company and labeling our own stuff and just starting off, we always had Jake Campbell
1:37Speaker 4listening over the speakers, you know?
1:40Speaker 4So it's
1:41Speaker 4a treat to have you on today, brother.
1:44Speaker 4It was cool to run into you in Vegas and friendship spawned.
1:47Speaker 5That's what life's about, baby. A lot of So 1st off, thank you guys for having me, Will. It's nice to meet you virtually. I'm
1:54Speaker 5sure when we meet in person, we'll really chop it up and break bread together, but it's an honor.
2:00Speaker 5You
2:01Speaker 5know, I honestly
2:03Speaker 5I'm waiting for you to message me because I know through the And 1 podcast people that, you know, they had messaged me a couple months ago and said, Hey, you want he wanted to do a podcast. And, know, they're just doing what they do. They don't know that you and I know each other. And I wrote them back and I was like, Dude, I'll go on JD's podcast whenever. I block 0.5 these people because it's like, no.
2:20Speaker 5I haven't I haven't had a chance to speak
2:23Speaker 5at a level with people that understand the industry like you 2 guys yet with anyone.
2:27Speaker 5And obviously,
2:29Speaker 5like you guys, I work inside the research space. I mean, my lawyer doesn't even like me saying that anymore. He likes to say the direct to consumer space because that's what it is, and we'll talk about that on this podcast. But
2:39Speaker 5I've got a lot to share. As I told you guys yesterday in a message, there's some things I can't share for
2:45Speaker 5safety of my family,
2:47Speaker 5but there definitely
2:48Speaker 5is a lot of stuff that I wanna put into the ether because there's so many fucking retards
2:54Speaker 5and
2:55Speaker 5every person, almost every person on the internet with an opinion
3:00Speaker 3about
3:01Speaker 5the peptide market, the direct to consumer market, the compounded
3:05Speaker 5market, the GLP market, the pharma market, they all do not have
3:10Speaker 5really a shred of a clue of what they're talking about. And that goes for Andrew Huberman.
3:15Speaker 5You know, that goes for all these people. I mean, can name other big name influencers.
3:20Speaker 5They literally do not have a clue of what is going on.
3:24Speaker 5And the reason that I do very honestly is because I pay the top attorney in the world
3:30Speaker 5for consulting.
3:32Speaker 5And you know, this guy, I'll just tell you guys straight up right now, it's Jeff Cohen.
3:36Speaker 5And Jeff Cohen told us in
3:39Speaker 5November of last year that Peptide Sciences was going down. In November,
3:43Speaker 5he told So
3:45Speaker 5we knew what was coming. We did not know how it was going to go down or why.
3:50Speaker 5Now, I do know why now,
3:53Speaker 5but we
3:54Speaker 5knew 5 months in advance. And just as we knew that, we also knew what was happening with the GLP space.
4:01Speaker 5And I can share with you guys all that because there's a lot of stuff that people still don't know about that. So we can go as deep as you want, but like I said, if there's certain questions you ask me that I don't answer, you know why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. Well, let's
4:12Speaker 3talk about that. Let's go as deep as you like. While we're at it, so shoot, while we're at Peptide Sciences, I think everybody wants to know. We
4:19Speaker 3want to know what the actual truth is. So can you
4:22Speaker 3tell us what the scoop is? Why they actually voluntarily
4:26Speaker 3maybe shut down? Yeah.
4:29Speaker 5So very truthfully, the owner of Peptide Sciences, which I'm sure you guys know who it is, he's out there close to you guys now,
4:37Speaker 5who's a great man
4:39Speaker 5who really,
4:40Speaker 5you know, we all really need to pour 1 out for him because that dude created
4:44Speaker 1a business that
4:46Speaker 5nobody really understood. Most people still don't understand it,
4:50Speaker 5but he allowed obviously the direct to consumer market to flourish. And,
4:55Speaker 5you know,
4:56Speaker 5thousands of people have created lives and really good lives for themselves and their families and their loved ones because of what they were really able to do to carve the niche out that they did. I think, don't
5:08Speaker 5quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that they were around since 2008.
5:12Speaker 1Damn, that's a long time. It's
5:15Speaker 5a long time and very truthfully, because obviously I'm an OG in this space, I tell people I've been using peptides since 2003,
5:21Speaker 5it's just true, since Southern Research Company
5:24Speaker 5in Texas.
5:26Speaker 5But if I was as smart as he was,
5:30Speaker 5I would have gotten into the research space a long time ago and I'd be a gazillionaire and I wouldn't do a podcast because I wouldn't care. But the
5:38Speaker 5truth is that, you know, he was a very smart guy. He hired very smart people,
5:44Speaker 5and they built a massive, massive infrastructure. And I want to give him even more credit because
5:49Speaker 5what a lot of people don't know is, you know, that Obviously
5:52Speaker 5the site's gone now,
5:54Speaker 5but if you ever went there, and I'm sure all of us have gone there many times, he had literally like the Wikipedia
5:59Speaker 5of peptide information, right? So they had built up so much of this giant knowledge bank or call it this, it was really like an Akashic Records for a health optimization. They had every single peptide,
6:11Speaker 5small molecule supplement, I mean, anything that was bleeding edge,
6:15Speaker 5they had it. And so, you know, again, credit to them for doing that,
6:19Speaker 5But a lot of people in the compounded clinical space and by the way, this isn't just The United States, this is globally,
6:26Speaker 5that's where they got educated about peptides.
6:29Speaker 5That literally was the resource online and really offline
6:33Speaker 5for clinicians,
6:35Speaker 5for functional medicine people, for influencers,
6:37Speaker 5even guys like us to really get deep dive data because they really did a great job of collating all these studies. So anyway, the bottom line is,
6:45Speaker 5without going into full disclosure,
6:47Speaker 5obviously there are certain things I can't tell you guys, basically the owner of Peptide Sciences
6:52Speaker 5decided to take his chips off the table and cash out.
6:56Speaker 1Period. I'm sure he was doing well.
7:00Speaker 5There's lots of rumors and I'm going to dispel every 1 of them.
7:04Speaker 5Credit card processing,
7:06Speaker 5they got caught.
7:08Speaker 5Overseas. Blah, blah, blah. Not true. Completely not true. Did not break any laws. In fact, I'll tell you guys this right now. They did not receive
7:16Speaker 5a single
7:18Speaker 5letter,
7:19Speaker 5an indictment,
7:20Speaker 5anything. Criminal penalties, nothing.
7:23Speaker 5Were some phone calls made from some very high level people in the government, obviously. And
7:29Speaker 5they were like, Hey, we want to see
7:32Speaker 5your finances and your records, etcetera, and all that stuff. And they complied because they were a very obviously incredibly efficient and productive business.
7:41Speaker 1Got it at that stage. And
7:43Speaker 5passed
7:44Speaker 5their audit and everything, but
7:47Speaker 5because of all the rumors in the industry and everybody was thinking that
7:52Speaker 5they were going to make an example out of somebody in
7:55Speaker 5the research space, again, the direct to consumer space, that they were going to
8:00Speaker 5come after them in some way. So him, being the owner of Peptide Sciences, again not mentioning his name, hired
8:06Speaker 5the Rolls Royce
8:07Speaker 5attorney legal defense team that he could get and he had amazing representation.
8:12Speaker 5And
8:13Speaker 5at the very end,
8:15Speaker 5before he decided to cash out, which was obviously at the end of February because I think this was announced in the very early part of March,
8:21Speaker 5he got a phone call from somebody on his legal defense team and they negotiated a deal with, I guess, somebody in the highest levels of the government, DSIP,
8:32Speaker 5know, black lot, who knows, right? Like, you're talking very high levels of things.
8:38Speaker 5And he decided that, you know what? He was like, I don't want to deal with any of this pressure
8:42Speaker 5over my head or looking over my shoulder that they're going to come after me for some unknown reason. So very, very simply, he made a really great living for himself. He did very, very well, and he literally just decided to cash out.
8:55Speaker 4Me ask you, in
8:56Speaker 4your opinion, and it's obviously just an opinion, do you think that they were coming after him eventually? Do you think he jumped ship right before it sank?
9:04Speaker 5No.
9:05Speaker 5So what I think is,
9:08Speaker 5I think it has more to do with finance stuff like Visa.
9:12Speaker 5So this is what I think, and obviously I can't prove this and I want this for the record, this is my opinion.
9:17Speaker 5And this will
9:18Speaker 5go into deeper
9:20Speaker 5as we talk about the GLP market.
9:23Speaker 5Eli Lilly controls the United States government.
9:27Speaker 3In December,
9:29Speaker 5when I met with Cali Means in Las Vegas and I had a 20 actually probably a 25 to 30 minute 1 on 1 conversation with him, which was set up by a mutual friend of ours, Tom Arts.
9:40Speaker 5And he said
9:42Speaker 5he listened to me. He was very, very observant. He was very, very open ears. He did not interrupt me. He was actually a very cool dude. Very cool guy. Callie Means, shout out to Callie Means, super cool guy.
9:51Speaker 5This is exactly what his comment to me was.
9:54Speaker 5He said after I told him my
9:58Speaker 5my take in the research space, my take
10:00Speaker 5why our attorney considers us direct to consumer,
10:03Speaker 5why we actually were developed, meaning the whole entire research space as a competitor
10:09Speaker 5to pharma.
10:11Speaker 5Because people in our space,
10:13Speaker 5can't afford a doctor or don't want to pay a doctor for a script. They want to do it themselves. So that's the
10:19Speaker 5legal definition
10:21Speaker 5from a legal opinion standpoint. They look at the research space as the direct to consumer
10:26Speaker 5market that literally developed due to the parallel
10:30Speaker 5or call it a
10:32Speaker 5market that developed side by side the pharma market from people that didn't want to go down the pharma pathway. So that's how they look at it. But he said to me,
10:40Speaker 5You in the research space and all your brethren
10:44Speaker 5don't have a seat at the table and Eli Lilly owns the table.
10:50Speaker 5So the truth is that all of us in the research space, and obviously you guys now know because we're going talk about this, this actually even goes into the compounding space because if Eli Lilly had their druthers, they want to get rid of every compounder too because
11:03Speaker 5they see compounders making generic forms of GLP,
11:06Speaker 5forms of peptides, generic forms of small molecules, etcetera.
11:11Speaker 5Changing the molecular formula, adding hyaluronic acid, etcetera, doing all these things they do. If they had their druthers, they'd get rid of everybody. That's what they're doing. If you guys have seen the SAFE CARES Act
11:22Speaker 5that they passed in December, which obviously hasn't been passed as legislation, but it's drafted in Indiana, which is Eli Lilly's home Eli Lilly's territory. Yeah, you're right. So they
11:32Speaker 5want everybody
11:33Speaker 5out of the compounding space. They don't want anybody making GLP-one,
11:37Speaker 5GLP-two,
11:39Speaker 5GLP-three, and any future GLP-four or 5 or anything that's coming down the pipeline, which we can talk about. So it's like,
11:45Speaker 5it's a really weird world, but I said all that to tell you what my opinion about peptide sciences is. I think that Lilly pressured
11:54Speaker 5the head of Visa or the head of Black Rock.
11:58Speaker 5I always confuse Blackwater and Black Rock. Which,
12:02Speaker 5by the way, black rock is the back pocket of Lilly in the front pocket.
12:06Speaker 5Makes sense. Trillion dollar companies. So
12:09Speaker 5my guess is they pressured
12:12Speaker 5the owner of Peptide Sciences in some weird way
12:15Speaker 5and said, Hey, if you don't shut or if you don't think about taking
12:19Speaker 5your chips off the table, that at some point we will come after you. And again, when I say come after you,
12:24Speaker 5you got to understand, and this is coming from my attorney and obviously I'm not an attorney, but I have smart attorneys that advise me. There's nothing they were doing that's illegal.
12:33Speaker 4Right. Okay.
12:34Speaker 5Because I think you guys understand the gray market is very,
12:38Speaker 5very
12:39Speaker 5nebulous in scope, but there are certain things that like the FDA doesn't have purview over in the research space and vice versa. So it's a weird thing.
12:50Speaker 5The only way the FDA can really come after you technically
12:54Speaker 5in the research space is if you're a bad actor, right? And we'll talk about that because there are a lot of bad actors. We can get to that in a 2nd. But you've got to really be doing stupid shit selling anabolic,
13:04Speaker 5selling biologics,
13:05Speaker 5making
13:07Speaker 5claims,
13:08Speaker 5saying stupid shit on your website.
13:11Speaker 5Again, just doing everything wrong, not paying for an attorney to give you advice. And so there's a lot of bad actors. In the truth,
13:19Speaker 5from what I understand, peptide scientists never broke any laws.
13:23Speaker 5They never did anything wrong. Know, there was all sorts of rumors that in 2023,
13:28Speaker 5because I heard these and this is way before, you know, I got into the space myself.
13:32Speaker 5I was an affiliate for Limitless.
13:34Speaker 5But there were rumors that they were selling
13:36Speaker 5semaglutide and tirzepatide and people were testing it and it wasn't that. And
13:41Speaker 5the rumors
13:43Speaker 5were, and again rumors, probably
13:45Speaker 5unsubstantiated,
13:46Speaker 5but then the rumors became,
13:47Speaker 5Hey, they're selling Tirzepatide and Semaglutide,
13:50Speaker 5and these are obviously compounded FDA approved drugs,
13:54Speaker 5and they're not what the label says they are so that you can bust them for various state statute walls, etcetera. And
14:01Speaker 5again, I heard about that back in 2023, but nothing ever came of it. Nobody ever got prosecuted. There weren't even any cease and desist letters as far as I understand. Maybe they got a cease and desist letter from Novo or something on SEMA. I don't know. But the reality is that from what I understand, and again I'm really close to the catbird seat in that deal,
14:21Speaker 5he literally just decided to cash out at the last 2nd. All the people that worked for him, which I'm very close to 1 of them as you guys know, basically found out the next morning.
14:30Speaker 1Very
14:31Speaker 5truthfully I was,
14:34Speaker 5how do I say this, I was
14:36Speaker 5at the Arnold with
14:38Speaker 5the Myo Longevity affiliate
14:40Speaker 5sales team and
14:42Speaker 5I was about to jump on a meeting
14:44Speaker 5for marketing for BLL and all of a sudden I got the text message that said, we've decided to close. And so then I texted my attorney
14:53Speaker 5and said, what the hell is this? And he goes, I'm just finding out about it myself. I'll get into you. And then I texted so and so and I said, Dude, and he's like, I just found out. So it was a really weird
15:04Speaker 5thing because again, they're a titan
15:06Speaker 5in the industry. But let
15:09Speaker 5me just say this, right after that,
15:11Speaker 5every fucking retard,
15:14Speaker 5telehealth
15:15Speaker 5platform owner,
15:17Speaker 5super influencer, I'll mention Andrew Huberman because he was all over the place, they all jumped to the conclusion it was the end of the research industry.
15:25Speaker 1Nothing be
15:27Speaker 5further from the truth
15:29Speaker 5because
15:29Speaker 5right now, and this is where we can take this podcast, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk and any of the giant pharmaceutical manufacturer giants,
15:38Speaker 5all they care about is that you do not sell GLP-1s.
15:41Speaker 1They
15:44Speaker 5do not get in their GLP lane because the way they see it is that they spent literally, let's just admit it, 1000000000 dollars probably each
15:52Speaker 5for stage 1, 2 and 3 trials,
15:54Speaker 510 years. By the way, we need to say this, the FDA
15:59Speaker 5taking a drug to market is so antiquated and backward at this point. If they don't fix that,
16:04Speaker 5then they're not even going be able to keep up because obviously in the research space with all this biomedical
16:09Speaker 5revolution happening,
16:12Speaker 5there's so many amazing chemists making amazing things. You've to fix it. Now, Marty Makary, obviously the head of the FDA, shout out to him,
16:21Speaker 5because he's been making a lot of good comments saying that he knows that the FDA approval process is antiquated and out of sorts and that they need to fix it and they need to get things faster to market.
16:31Speaker 5So hopefully that happens, but
16:34Speaker 5who knows, guys? I mean, like Jeff says,
16:37Speaker 5getting the FDA to make changes is like turning a fucking aircraft carrier in a Class 5 hurricane. Right?
16:44Speaker 5I mean, it's true. Mean, it takes time. They're very, very stodgy.
16:48Speaker 5They're very, very dogmatic.
16:51Speaker 5So it takes time. We've all heard from
16:55Speaker 5RFK, I always call them JFK, but RFK Jr.
16:59Speaker 5Went public 3 weeks ago on Rogan saying, Hey, we're going to unroll the class II to class I and there's going be a big boom into the peptide space. But I've talked to some very smart people in the regulatory side and they're like, It's not going to happen like he says it is
17:13Speaker 5because they still have to do safety studies. I mean, blah, blah, blah. When
17:17Speaker 3does any government
17:21Speaker 5move in that I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see it roll back for a whole another year.
17:26Speaker 5Know what I'm saying? And so it's like everybody's expecting it all to happen and everybody in the clinical space, which I talk to so many of those people every day,
17:33Speaker 5is like so excited. Oh, it's going to be the greatest thing. Now look, it's actually not going to be the greatest thing for people who rely on peptides from a prescription
17:42Speaker 5because you guys know it's all supply and demand.
17:45Speaker 5As soon as it's okay,
17:47Speaker 5price goes parabolic. Yeah, that's what they do. Price is literally going to go parabolic.
17:52Speaker 1And combined,
17:54Speaker 5well, think about this. Plus, there's and we need to talk about this, but they're also attempting, meaning Lilly,
18:00Speaker 5their lobby, etcetera, even Novo behind it now, and places like HIMSS is all mobbed up with Novo.
18:06Speaker 5They want the compounders to go under. They want them to go under. They're going go after every 503B
18:11Speaker 5and every 503C
18:12Speaker 5in The United States so that they can completely control
18:16Speaker 5the supply chain of 503A.
18:19Speaker 5Wouldn't you? So that's what they want to do. So imagine how fast peptides
18:23Speaker 5go 10x or 7x.
18:25Speaker 1Dude,
18:26Speaker 1for sure.
18:29Speaker 5I had a doc send me this yesterday. He sent me a screenshot of this pharma
18:33Speaker 5platform that he orders peptides from and MOTS-10mg
18:37Speaker 5was $1,400
18:38Speaker 5Holy
18:39Speaker 1That's
18:41Speaker 3what people don't get, man. That's like, dude, man. And I don't know. I think there's a problem with that because I just,
18:47Speaker 3I don't think it's worth that.
18:51Speaker 3And that is going to be the downfall and then it will do another pendulum switch.
18:55Speaker 3I mean, if that's
18:57Speaker 4how the life is, that's how life is, how markets are. But they go after those companies, but what about companies like the research companies? So it sounds like you're not too worried about that.
19:06Speaker 5Look,
19:07Speaker 5Too many of them.
19:09Speaker 1I mean, look, so here's where we've got to go with this.
19:13Speaker 5Is there going to be regulation,
19:16Speaker 5prohibition, you want to call it, whatever you want to call it, inhibition
19:20Speaker 5of the research space 100%.
19:22Speaker 4Because
19:23Speaker 5unfortunately there are too many bad actors. Guys already know this. There are literally people
19:29Speaker 5buying flip peptides from India or China
19:32Speaker 5unlabeled and then
19:34Speaker 5slapping a label on it, doing 0 testing.
19:38Speaker 5God knows.
19:39Speaker 5Look,
19:40Speaker 5nobody even knows this. I'll share this with you because I don't care. New York Magazine,
19:45Speaker 5and I think Harper's Bazaar, I think that's who owns a parent,
19:49Speaker 5they just let my PR team know that they just did like
19:53Speaker 5I forget, I think they bought 15 peptides
19:56Speaker 5or 15 different
19:58Speaker 5manufacturers,
19:59Speaker 5research companies,
20:01Speaker 5and they bought 15 different peptides from 15 different manufacturers and they tested them.
20:06Speaker 5And 75%
20:08Speaker 5of the ones they bought tested either
20:11Speaker 5full of endotoxins,
20:14Speaker 5under dosed or
20:16Speaker 5fake.
20:17Speaker 5So I think that's actually a good way to spin it for us that it probably is where we're at right now with all these retards, because you guys know we have to talk about the retards.
20:30Speaker 5Selling peptides
20:31Speaker 5in the marketplace
20:33Speaker 5are literally
20:34Speaker 575%
20:35Speaker 5of research peptides right now are 1 of those 3 things.
20:38Speaker 5Right? Mean, nobody their little brother has a peptide company. Listen, how many people have come to you guys and said, Oh, I tried peptides. That shit Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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21:15Speaker 1Shit doesn't work. How many times have you heard that? They're getting fake fucking peptides. Yeah. Right. I
21:21Speaker 1didn't lose any weight. You got bunked up. Yep. Absolutely.
21:25Speaker 3And everybody try I mean, in this everybody
21:28Speaker 3they're like, Oh, I have a friend who wants to buy a, who wants to buy peptides. I think
21:32Speaker 3I looked on the internet and I found something and I'm sold it to him. So I have a peptide company. I'm just going to do this again. Literally.
21:37Speaker 1Mean, you know what I mean? Everybody has a friend, they sold a couple of peptides too, and all of sudden they got a company.
21:43Speaker 5You guys, it's so insane. It's
21:45Speaker 5so insane that people like us who've been in this space, know our business, know TRT, know peptides, know everything.
21:52Speaker 5You know, we get now when we go on social,
21:55Speaker 5which obviously
21:57Speaker 5we try to avoid it because it's so toxic, but you go on there and you get now targeted by people talking about peptides.
22:04Speaker 5So every now and then when I go on IG, I listen to some of these people and you guys, my God.
22:10Speaker 5Like the average person talking about peptides on Instagram, and I don't have TikTok because they cancel me. I think, JD, you were the 1 that told me that. I have like 5 impersonator accounts on TikTok. Some of them have like 50,000 followers. Me too, bro. Got a bunch. People send them to me all the time. That's not me. I look like me. But
22:29Speaker 5like you think about like listening to these people talk about peptides and Will, that's exactly what it is. They literally bought peptides from us.
22:36Speaker 5They started using them. They're like, Holy shit, this is amazing. And they're like, How can I get into this business? And then literally 3 months later they're talking on whoever would listen to them, they're a peptide expert. The information is so bad. And you guys know this, AI
22:51Speaker 5is where most of these people get their information and AI is literally bunk.
22:55Speaker 5Most AI is the opposite.
22:58Speaker 3That's how bad it is. So how are they going to
23:02Speaker 3in January, I remember when there was some this, you know, a conference and then we had people that some of these guys who are,
23:08Speaker 3who say who say they're doctors, they're on the screen yelling at you going,
23:12Speaker 3every research company is gonna be shut down right now. And I'm- Utterly clueless. They
23:18Speaker 3have no idea what talking about. They have no idea what they're talking about, and that's just not possible. So how can and I agree. I mean, being in this space, I think there should be some regulation because that needs to cut some I mean, there should be some barrier to entry. Is that what you're Like, Jake, from the naked I have the whole thing. So I sent you that article, sent you that article, Peptide of
23:37Speaker 5Thrones, great article. I don't know that woman, but great job, whoever she is. When I read that, I was like, wow,
23:43Speaker 5this woman is either in Jeff Cohen's inner circle or has a pipeline to Jeff because no 1
23:49Speaker 5understood the industry as well as she did like he
23:52Speaker 5did until I read her stuff.
23:54Speaker 5But she made a lot of mis Obviously, she's casting
23:58Speaker 5She's probably at the end of her summary conclusion, let's say it was a huge article, it's like 15,000 words, but at
24:05Speaker 5the very end she made a lot of predictions and she's literally off on 75% of her predictions because I actually know where it's going. We can talk about that.
24:13Speaker 5So Jeff Cohen started
24:15Speaker 5in
24:16Speaker 5December the American Peptide Association and
24:21Speaker 5not
24:22Speaker 5coincidentally
24:23Speaker 5or synchronistically
24:24Speaker 5right after I talked to right, because we need a seat at the table, guys. We gotta have a lobby. We gotta have people that respect what we do because listen, this is what Jeff says and this is what's probably the most important thing I'll say on this entire podcast, and that is
24:38Speaker 5the people that believe that research peptides are crap
24:42Speaker 5are really just brainwashed by pharma because
24:46Speaker 5they believe that every research peptide is being made in somebody's basement and doesn't have 3rd party testing, doesn't have batch and lot numbers, etc. And so we have to defeat that
24:57Speaker 5misinformation or that misnomer.
25:00Speaker 5The way we do that is by A) we build a lobby, which American Peptide Association is doing, and then B)
25:07Speaker 5we do have standards of testing
25:09Speaker 5that
25:10Speaker 5every single legitimate research company will have to go through. Again, I can explain what that means. It's very simple.
25:17Speaker 5It's going to be 3,
25:19Speaker 5what we call triple party verification.
25:21Speaker 5You will get a verification from the actual manufacturer, whether it's in China or India.
25:27Speaker 5You will then have to test it with 0.333
25:30Speaker 5party audit company in The United States, which there's so many of them now.
25:35Speaker 5And then you would also have to test it for heavy metals and endotoxins, which by the way, that's going to be the next part of our business that's going to explode is all those companies are going come out.
25:44Speaker 5And then you'll also end up having, this will be a side play, these companies are coming
25:49Speaker 5that for $99 they'll be able to test 130
25:53Speaker 5biomarkers.
25:54Speaker 5They'll test your mitochondrial
25:56Speaker 5density.
25:57Speaker 5They'll test your biological age. So you're going to get all these things where you're going to know what you're deficient in peptide wise. So all that stuff's coming, but if
26:05Speaker 5you do that and then obviously you have to have a batch number, a lot number,
26:11Speaker 5have to verify that what's on your label you can prove. So
26:15Speaker 5again, 75 percent of the research companies will go away because we clearly know they can't any do of that. You guys know there's tons of people faking certificates of authenticity.
26:24Speaker 5For sure. I mean, dude, how many people grab ours or yours and then literally
26:30Speaker 5copy it
26:32Speaker 5copy it
26:33Speaker 5on a high end resolution thing and then send it to people. And then it's like, I mean, we've done this ourselves. We've literally found people all over the international market. I mean, have literally created biolongevitylabs.uk.
26:46Speaker 1Oh yeah, we get it all the time. And they mimic this constantly,
26:49Speaker 1dude. Oh, It's
26:51Speaker 1like you
26:51Speaker 5check on their
26:53Speaker 5COAs and you're like, wait a minute, this is ours.
26:58Speaker 5So look, man, all that shit is going to go away. Know, if you ask Jeff, and I was with Jeff yesterday on a 90 minute call, he thinks that it'll be there will be there will be great headway
27:10Speaker 5by the end of this year,
27:12Speaker 5and all of the bad actors will be gone by 2nd 0.25 20 27.
27:17Speaker 5Okay, dude. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's great, but, you know, to Will's question, you know, is there the possibility
27:24Speaker 5that Lilly,
27:25Speaker 5because they have so much power
27:27Speaker 4Yeah.
27:28Speaker 5Shakes down
27:30Speaker 5Visa, Mastercard, American Express,
27:33Speaker 5whomever,
27:34Speaker 5and literally stops
27:36Speaker 5the sale
27:37Speaker 5of anything
27:39Speaker 5that isn't vetted pharmaceutically
27:42Speaker 5from injection.
27:43Speaker 5There's no way they're going to stop oral peptides or
27:47Speaker 5bio regulators because those are classified as supplements.
27:50Speaker 5Can
27:51Speaker 5they stop the sale of what they call,
27:54Speaker 5in their world, in the regulatory world, call them non sterile injectables, which you guys and I know that's a scam because of course they're fucking sterile.
28:01Speaker 5But they call them non sterile injectables if they come out of not come out of pharma. So can
28:07Speaker 5they stop that through the pressure of credit card processors?
28:11Speaker 5Again, if you ask the smart people, Jeff Cohen's 1 of them, there are others,
28:15Speaker 5they think it's a coin flip.
28:17Speaker 5So it really
28:18Speaker 5depends on how insulated you are as a business. What is your revenue? Like we were talking off air about these groups.
28:25Speaker 5Are you stable? Do you have very low chargebacks? Do you run a legitimate business? Do you have legitimate customer service, etcetera? So I don't think there's any existential threat to the research space other than through that pathway. And look, here's the other thing, and this is very important. We
28:44Speaker 5spoke about this before and I want to think it was when you and I had our podcast in what, September of last year? Yeah, or a year ago.
28:53Speaker 5Jeff, JD, Jeff said this to me when I 1st, I mean, I've known him or of him for a long time, but when we 1st met
29:00Speaker 5and he became my attorney and, you know, a client, etcetera, have attorney client privilege, it was like back in September
29:07Speaker 52024.
29:09Speaker 5And this is what he told me and my partners at BLL. He said, Look, and this is the truth, by the way, he says,
29:14Speaker 5Until you guys can pay a fine quarterly of $100,000,000 you don't even exist.
29:19Speaker 1Now
29:22Speaker 5think about that for a 2nd.
29:24Speaker 5Look at the compounders.
29:26Speaker 5Look at, know, because let's mention some of these guys, because some of these guys are my friends. You know, Sean Dorian, he's got a lot of enemies. He owns Empower. They're the biggest compounder in The United States. I've known Sean literally for 12 years. He's a very close friend of mine.
29:38Speaker 5And I give him a lot of props because he's standing up
29:42Speaker 5to the overlords of pharma, specifically
29:45Speaker 5Lilly, specifically Novo, because again, think about this guy. Think about what they did to these guys. In 2022 and 2023,
29:52Speaker 5when Novo and Lilly could not keep up with Tirzepatide and Semaglutide,
29:56Speaker 5they literally went to the 503As,
29:58Speaker 5which is what Empower is, and they said, 'Hey, we're gonna ratify
30:02Speaker 5some emergency use legislation right now that gives you guys the power to
30:07Speaker 5fill our supply overrun
30:09Speaker 5that we can't make.
30:10Speaker 5And so they all said, Sure, sure, sure. So then they buy all the raw ingredients, they do it all due, they sell it. And then literally 1.5 years later, say, Hey, not only are you not allowed to sell it anymore,
30:21Speaker 5fuck you. We're going to fine you and try to shut you down if you do sell it. So yeah, they sued them
30:28Speaker 5and there's
30:29Speaker 5lawsuits right now between 503As
30:31Speaker 5and the pharmaceutical
30:34Speaker 5manufacturers.
30:35Speaker 5And the great news is, guys, in our defense and their defense obviously, because clearly we want them to succeed,
30:43Speaker 5they're winning at state level. Wow. So Lilly has all the money and they have all the patent attorneys and all the counsel attorneys, but they're losing at the state court level because the courts are like, you guys do not own a monopoly. You cannot just get rid of everybody.
30:58Speaker 5That's what they're That's trying to
31:00Speaker 5literally what they're trying to do. So my guess is that you will see
31:06Speaker 5massive consolidation
31:08Speaker 5of 503Bs
31:09Speaker 5and 503Cs.
31:11Speaker 5If that happens,
31:12Speaker 5as Jeff says, you can't just get rid of the consumer, the direct to consumer market, again called the RUO, research use only space, because that would be the only alternative
31:23Speaker 5to 5 0 3 compounded medications, which as you guys know, we already talked about it, they're going to go up 5 to 10 times in cost.
31:32Speaker 1So think about how insane it is if they get rid of all 503Bs
31:35Speaker 5and Cs, and I don't think that'll happen, but let's say they lose, let's say 50%
31:40Speaker 5of 503Bs
31:41Speaker 5and Cs go away.
31:43Speaker 5Let's explain this to the people watching this. The way the supply chain works inside the compounded space is the 503Bs and 503Cs
31:51Speaker 5make it.
31:52Speaker 5And then the 503As
31:54Speaker 5purchase it from them.
31:55Speaker 5And then they sell it to the scripts, know, .co and all the middlemen and stuff like that. Obviously, the telehealth platforms,
32:03Speaker 5the clinicians,
32:04Speaker 5rows,
32:05Speaker 5the hims and hers,
32:07Speaker 5all these people.
32:09Speaker 5And so it's like, imagine if you take away 50% of that market. Now you've shrunk the supply even worse. I mean, imagine the price. It's going to be insane. No 1 will be able to afford it.
32:21Speaker 5And so my take is that research gets bigger.
32:24Speaker 4Hell yeah.
32:25Speaker 5Agreed. I accept these terms. For the legitimate research providers,
32:29Speaker 5they get bigger.
32:31Speaker 5And again, 75%
32:32Speaker 5of research, in my opinion, this is my opinion, goes away within 18 months because again, there will be some sort of supply chain vetting. There will be manufacturer vetting. And if you don't pass muster, you go under. Yeah. Well, that's like the good companies are doing it right. The good companies are doing it right because they can afford it and they're putting the money up and they're testing them like they should. And it should be that way.
32:52Speaker 5Dude, this is the truth.
32:55Speaker 5So many people do not understand this. A legitimate research
32:59Speaker 5company, direct to consumer company
33:02Speaker 5actually has higher quality control
33:04Speaker 5than the average 503B
33:06Speaker 5and 503C.
33:07Speaker 5The reason that is, is because the research company, again, the direct to consumer company
33:12Speaker 5doesn't survive
33:14Speaker 5unless they have the most strident,
33:18Speaker 5above board,
33:20Speaker 5certificates of authenticity, triple
33:22Speaker 1verification.
33:23Speaker 5I mean, it's insane. That's not happening at the 503B and 503C level. But again, people are so brainwashed because they think, Oh, big pharma,
33:31Speaker 5FDA approved,
33:33Speaker 5then it has to be better than the research company. But again- There's still people that think that.
33:38Speaker 4Don't make it stop. You
33:40Speaker 5guys, that's the majority of people that think that because The the doctors tell them
33:44Speaker 5majority
33:46Speaker 5of doctors think that our shit is
33:49Speaker 1low quality.
33:50Speaker 1You know, it's like, are you guys crazy?
33:52Speaker 5Yeah. But, you know, Jeff talks about this because he defends these people, you know, at the state level all across the country.
33:59Speaker 5And he swears, and he'll he'll say this, you know, he'll put his hand on the Bible and say this. He'll say,
34:05Speaker 5If you have human beings
34:08Speaker 5owning these companies, whether it's a research company or a 503B or 503C,
34:13Speaker 5he's like, It's the integrity of the owner
34:16Speaker 5that determines the quality of the product.
34:18Speaker 5And he's like, whenever there's human involvement or human elements, he's like, you're going to have bad actors
34:24Speaker 5just as you're going to have good actors. And so he's like, there's no difference. He goes, I don't see anything different from the research to the compound space. It just comes down to the owner and how willing is that person to either come clean or not. Exactly. Perfectly said.
34:37Speaker 3Right? Hey, this is kind of changing pace, but,
34:40Speaker 3because I wanna, I wanna ask you some questions before we run before we run out of time at some point. Med D,
34:47Speaker 3that's a crazy announcement. I mean, do we,
34:49Speaker 31st of all, why would that owner say that? I mean, isn't he gonna catch some criminal charges now?
34:55Speaker 3Can you give us a little breakdown of what of Med V. So Med V.
35:29Speaker 5Meaning regulators,
35:32Speaker 5I think it's just going to be state that's going to prosecute
35:35Speaker 5or individual states that prosecute,
35:37Speaker 5they're just going to go after the bad actors. So he's already complied
35:41Speaker 5to both the FDA and the federal government. He's already wrote a long letter because I actually read the letter on Twitter like 2 days ago, but he's also been he's basically said, Hey, look, I'm completely
35:50Speaker 5innocent of this. I had no idea that this was happening. He's definitely going to get a huge fine because he's 1000000000 dollar company,
35:57Speaker 5but he's going to get off because he had no knowledge of
36:01Speaker 5what those guys did with those fake AI doctors. But I mean, you guys, it's
36:05Speaker 5endemic of what
36:07Speaker 5kind of a farce AI really is
36:09Speaker 5because if he did it or they did it for him, how many other people are doing this in our space right now? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that makes more sense. That makes more sense.
36:19Speaker 5Yeah, when I 1st read it, I was like, holy shit. And then I saw his letter like 3 days later and I was like, okay, this makes more sense. But it didn't make sense because I was following that guy's story because I'm in this mastermind
36:31Speaker 5of people in the longevity space and we were following the story for the last year. So when I 1st read that I was like, That guy's not that dumb. I've heard him talk before.
36:39Speaker 5So again, he's taken advantage of. But you guys know this, even for us in our businesses, what's
36:45Speaker 5to stop an affiliate from going out there and doing crazy shit that we don't know about?
36:50Speaker 1Absolutely. Not a question about that because we don't use affiliates for that reason. A few, but like, so you sound like you do quite a bit.
36:58Speaker 1Was kind of,
37:00Speaker 5does that work out well for you? How many do you have, if you don't mind me asking? You don't need to know that, but we chose not to do affiliates. I'm happy to talk about works very well. It works very well. We don't have, I don't know what our current, you know, how many people are in our affiliate network. I mean, it's definitely the Perito principle. You know, 20% does 80% of the business. Yeah, typical.
37:19Speaker 5I'm sure we've a ton of mom and pops. We have a wholesale division too.
37:24Speaker 5Mean, look man, you guys,
37:27Speaker 5very few people know this and I'm not going let the cat out of the bag, but peptide
37:31Speaker 5sciences did the majority of their business internationally.
37:35Speaker 5So you have to imagine that there were so many doctors
37:39Speaker 5and so many high wealth or high income affluent people in the international communities who had no recourse.
37:45Speaker 5I mean, they still don't.
37:47Speaker 5Think about all the people that want to buy shit from us in the international market and we can't even get it through customs.
37:53Speaker 5The only chance is you fly a private jet in
37:57Speaker 5with $100,000
37:59Speaker 5worth of product.
38:02Speaker 1There's no way to get in there. In.
38:05Speaker 5I mean, you guys would be surprised. I mean, I'm literally a
38:08Speaker 5week from Wednesday, this coming Wednesday, I'm flying to Corfu, Greece to do like a mastermind for like, you know, there's not a single person in that room probably less worth less than $100,000,000 to talk about peptides. So, you know, there's going to be conversations around probably that kind of stuff happening. But it's
38:27Speaker 5just, we're just in a very, very, very weird space right now and
38:32Speaker 5it's just very difficult to get peptides outside of The United States. I mean, are people still shipping them into Canada, but as you know, if you ship anything to Canada, that's a coin flip too. They can seize it and never give it back. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes. That is true. So the to end the
38:47Speaker 3research
38:48Speaker 3the research use only talk real quick. So it's your lawyer, Cohen, that is he's starting that
38:55Speaker 5Yeah. It's already available. You guys should actually join. The union. Highly recommend you guys join. Paul back to you guys
39:01Speaker 1to
39:03Speaker 5Autumn. Yeah, I'll connect you guys to Autumn. Everybody
39:06Speaker 5in our space should join that because it's not just, it's not just direct to consumer,
39:11Speaker 5it's compounders,
39:13Speaker 5it's influencers.
39:15Speaker 5It's people that actually have a fucking clue, which is very few of us. And so I highly recommend, I'll connect you guys with Autumn
39:23Speaker 5who really runs it and say, Hey man, these guys are my good friends. They have a research company. They want to get involved. Yeah, because honestly that's the only chance
39:30Speaker 5that we really truly have to building a viable
39:33Speaker 5direct to consumer platform. You know what I mean? And
39:37Speaker 3the only regulation, the only way that, yes, that
39:40Speaker 3I guess big pharma can really shut down the direct to consumers is financially, is through the banks
39:46Speaker 3and processors.
39:48Speaker 3The people are saying the Department of Justice is coming after you. Department of Well, Justice I mean,
39:53Speaker 1I wanna a caveat.
39:55Speaker 5If you're a bad actor
39:58Speaker 5and you're selling steroids, biologics,
40:01Speaker 5SARMs, stupid shit that you shouldn't be selling, then they can always come out to you in that way, but that's because you're breaking some sort of estate
40:07Speaker 5Absolutely. Yeah. True. I mean, look, man,
40:11Speaker 5the easiest way to not get in trouble is to separate everything, to make sure that you follow the rules of direct to consumer. You can't have people messaging you and then asking you how to dose your products or
40:24Speaker 5how to cycle a product or anything like that. Everything has to be like, hey, we're a research use only company. We can't tell you how to use it. We sell it for research purposes only.
40:32Speaker 5So there's a little bit of a, I wouldn't call it a game, but you really do have to understand what you're doing being in the space.
40:38Speaker 5But I mean, yeah, unless you're a bad actor and you're breaking the law or really doing something criminal,
40:44Speaker 3it doesn't look like it other than what you said financially. Yeah. That's awesome, man. So curious, can you tell us, you're ahead on everything, right?
40:54Speaker 3Some peptides that are just coming out or are brand new that you're excited about
40:59Speaker 5that you've Yeah, used there's lot of stuff. What do you got in there? There's actually a lot of stuff. Hold on, let me get my book real quick.
41:09Speaker 5So I do wanna I wanna I wanna shill
41:12Speaker 5just real quick my book. So what are the book, guys? Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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41:22Speaker 0Everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox. Start today at equinox.com.
41:31Speaker 1Damn.
41:33Speaker 5735
41:34Speaker 5pages, 1,395
41:36Speaker 5scientific studies. So this is the bible
41:40Speaker 5on using GLPs
41:42Speaker 5in the world. Like, awesome. No 1 will ever no 1 will ever equate or beat this book. It took my copywriter and my other copywriter, myself, 8 months to write it. We used no AI. It's completely, you know, study. You know, we dug
41:55Speaker 5everything up, but the cool part about the book is a lot of science. It's very technical,
42:00Speaker 5but every chapter has a summary, a takeaway
42:04Speaker 5that's 1 page. So if you don't want to fucking read the book because they're so technical, just read the summary takeaway of every chapter. In book,
42:11Speaker 5we have what is coming. It's called the pipeline.
42:14Speaker 5And you guys, the shit that's coming
42:16Speaker 5is insane.
42:17Speaker 4It's
42:18Speaker 5like I talk about Retatrutide
42:20Speaker 5in the book and say it's the greatest drug in the history of the world as of right now, but in 2 years it may not even be relevant. That's
42:27Speaker 5the kind of bullshit that's coming. So
42:30Speaker 5I do want to talk about the drugs that,
42:34Speaker 5technically the small molecules, however you want to call them, that BioLongevity Labs launched in December. And again, this comes from our chemist, Mike Farber,
42:42Speaker 5who's 1 of the top biochemists in the world. He's got now, I wanna say, 125
42:47Speaker 5plus drug delivery patents.
42:49Speaker 5And very honestly, he was in my audience for like 5 years
42:54Speaker 5and he reached out to me in April
42:56Speaker 52025 and sent me this crazy email that was like, Hey, I really like
43:02Speaker 5you. I respect you. He's like, I really want to do something to change the world for you. And he didn't tell me who he was.
43:08Speaker 5So I wrote back question mark, question mark. Was like, Dude,
43:12Speaker 5what are you talking about? Right. And he then sends me back a link to all of his drug patents. And I'm like, What
43:18Speaker 5the fuck? Right. So I'm like,
43:21Speaker 5I sent to the partners, I was like, I think we need to have a call with this guy. So we did.
43:26Speaker 5Like end of April, early May of last year.
43:29Speaker 5And he said, Look, this is what I'm building. Know, you probably have already looked at my drugs that I built. I mean, you guys, this guy created an injectable ivermectin.
43:38Speaker 5I mean,
43:39Speaker 5The
43:40Speaker 5dude doesn't need money. He's completely set. He's 75 years old, but he wants to help. He's like,
43:47Speaker 5This is my legacy. I created these amazing drugs that have 19 day
43:52Speaker 5album and binding constructs, so it's like the longest 0.5 life of any drug ever designed. And he goes, It changes the game for pretty much everything. He's like, Yeah, but this is just him on a Zoom call with us, he's in Thailand.
44:03Speaker 1Right?
44:04Speaker 5You know, he's just a white dude. He's American, but he lives in Thailand. Now he's 75. He's got a daughter. Absolutely
44:09Speaker 5jacked. I mean, guy's, like, 75 years old, he's, like, insane shape. But he's like,
44:14Speaker 5I'm gonna fly over. I'm gonna meet with you guys. He's like, I'm gonna bring you FLGR-two
44:18Speaker 542, which is a recombinant follistatin,
44:21Speaker 5and I'm gonna bring you guys Clotho. Now we knew what Clotho was because obviously a lot of the longevity doctors are talking about it. They spent billions of dollars of research. They're down in the economic free zone off the coast of Honduras. They've been selling fucking
44:33Speaker 560,000 or $70,000
44:35Speaker 5injections
44:36Speaker 5for like 5 or 6 years. But anybody who's ever gone down there that and I know a lot of people that have, not myself, but other people, they all told me I didn't notice shit and I got nothing.
44:44Speaker 5So, you know, the clonidine thing was already known, but the recombinant ballostat was a totally separate molecule.
44:51Speaker 5I want to preface this by saying that everybody, including you 2 guys
44:55Speaker 5in the bodybuilding world knows what follistatin is, right? There's
44:59Speaker 5been three-four-four,
45:00Speaker 5three-four-seven,
45:02Speaker 5I think three-3.18.
45:04Speaker 5There's all these different modified versions of follistatin, but the problem with all of them was twofold. Number 1, very short 0.5 life.
45:11Speaker 5So you have to inject yourself like fucking 3 or 4 times. And you gotta do it right before you train, after you train, etcetera. And then the other thing was
45:20Speaker 5it binds to actin, so it can increase the size of the heart, increase the size of internal organs, well up your prostate,
45:28Speaker 5blah, blah, blah. So it's a shit drug and it always was a shit drug. Obviously some pro bodybuilders would use it because size was everything and they wanted to increase like shoulder
45:36Speaker 5or bicep or back or whatever. There was some benefit to that, but
45:41Speaker 5nobody ever understood how to do what Mike did to it. And so what Mike did to it is he took a it's actually the 3 18 version of it, think. Correct me, I'm pretty sure it's a 3 18 version of it. But anyway, he changed
45:55Speaker 5the binding construct so that it's a 19 day 0.5 life. So you can basically take a very low dose of it. And I sent JD some pictures of this up
46:04Speaker 5and coming pro physique competitor. His name's Alex Padron.
46:08Speaker 5And he started taking it right before his So he competed
46:13Speaker 5in early December
46:15Speaker 5in Southern California and I think he took 1st place in his division, 2nd place overall in the whole show. He's definitely a guy that's going to compete for the Physique Olympiad. He's got an insane physique. And he started taking it in February
46:28Speaker 5He was on it for 2 months and he sent me his pictures earlier this week and he's like, Bro,
46:33Speaker 5what the fuck? He's like, There's nothing like this drug in the world. So that's
46:38Speaker 5just 1 guy who's a pro competitor
46:41Speaker 5who knows how to diet, who knows how to eat, knows how to do everything right. We have thousands
46:45Speaker 5of people who are just everyday
46:48Speaker 5Tom,
46:49Speaker 5Dick, Sam, Harry people who are sending us their testimonials and their before and afters, and it's literally insane.
46:56Speaker 5Mean, is
46:58Speaker 5without a doubt 1000000000 dollar drug, perhaps even bigger, because we have people in the cattle industry
47:04Speaker 5that want to purchase access to the patent to beef up their cattle. I mean, think about it. You want to beef up your cattle, you're going make a fucking lot more money. So there's all these different ways that you can probably use that molecule.
47:16Speaker 5For the average person,
47:19Speaker 5and again, I mean a male or female who's not a competitor, who just want to live longer, leaner, stronger, take off their shirt or bikini in public and look better. It's amazing.
47:29Speaker 5It's truly amazing
47:31Speaker 5because it burns fat, it's lipolytic,
47:33Speaker 5and obviously it's anabolic depending on how much food you eat. If take it and you don't eat a lot of food,
47:40Speaker 5you're just going to get leaner and harder.
47:42Speaker 5But if you eat,
47:44Speaker 5you're going to put on serious size. And dude, we've got people that have put on bodybuilders,
47:48Speaker 5not like that guy you saw,
47:50Speaker 5but I've seen bodybuilders put on about 24 pounds in literally 3 months. And legit muscle DEXA scans, pre novos, the whole thing. And then tons of people that have done internal
48:01Speaker 5architecture scans,
48:02Speaker 5no heart enlargement, no internal organ growth, nothing. Honestly, I've been using it myself
48:08Speaker 1since November,
48:10Speaker 5and I did it consecutively
48:12Speaker 5for 12 weeks at 2.5 mg a week.
48:16Speaker 5And then I went to 5 mg a week and now I take it probably like 0.75
48:20Speaker 5mg
48:21Speaker 5every other day. And I'm the biggest and leanest I've ever been. I'm literally, walk around now at like 2 19 and I always walked around at like 2 0 9. Wow. So I've gotten much bigger from it and I haven't changed anything else. I mean, obviously I'm always on TRT,
48:35Speaker 5but I've just gotten bigger. And when people see me now, like in the gym or in street clothes, they're like, Dude, what the fuck happened to you? So I've
48:43Speaker 5gained definitely a solid 7 to 9 pounds of muscle and I've also just got, I mean, I'm just as lean, if not leaner. I mean, I haven't measured my body fat, but I've gotten my labs done twice
48:52Speaker 5and everything is perfect. No inflammatory marker elevation.
48:57Speaker 5I haven't done a pre novo, but I'm pretty solid that nothing
49:01Speaker 5bad is going on. So that's an amazing molecule. And then obviously, Clotho
49:06Speaker 5has the same binding construct, same 0.5 life.
49:10Speaker 5So all you have to do with clotho is you have to just take it once every 2 weeks. That's all it is. It's just a very low, it's basically 10 micrograms,
49:17Speaker 5and the human body has anywhere from about 7 to 12 circulating
49:22Speaker 5mcg of Flotho over
49:25Speaker 5a week. So if you just take a
49:27Speaker 5very slight increase of 10 every 2 weeks, you will be in a zone where you will lower your biological age.
49:35Speaker 5And I think what people notice about it is it
49:38Speaker 5improves endothelial tissue sensitivity,
49:41Speaker 5so you definitely have better erections. I mean, improves
49:44Speaker 5immediately.
49:46Speaker 5Like if you're in your 40s, 50s or 60s and you start taking Clotho, you're going to have a much better sex drive. You're going to have much better sensitivity, better erections. Women get wetter faster.
49:56Speaker 5But like I think the older people that have been taking it, they all tell me amazing stories of better vision,
50:02Speaker 5enhancing focus, their smell, improved smell.
50:05Speaker 5So again, if you look into what Clotho is responsible for,
50:09Speaker 5there's so many aging,
50:12Speaker 5call it pathways
50:13Speaker 5that it is involved in that just by taking a micro dose of Clotho, you're going to improve your biological age. You're to be younger
50:21Speaker 5essentially. So it's pretty awesome.
50:24Speaker 5My wife and I have been taking that product since we 1st got it literally in July of last year,
50:30Speaker 5and I can't see myself ever going off of it. It's just such a game changer. Oh really? You're taking it per Hey, can I ask you, well, 1st of all, your book, actually when
50:39Speaker 3we were watching your videos with you and Hunter about 5 years, 6 years before that, I had read your book, Definitive
50:49Speaker 3Guide to TRT, to Mail TRT or something like that, right? Is that true? Close to the title? TRT manual. Yep, so So I gotta say that, yeah, that was a long, long time ago, man. That was a long time ago. So I've known you
51:00Speaker 3and read some, read your books for a while. Thank you, man. Godfather of TRT, man. That GHRP- Nobody wants no kid today even read, so they're never gonna read any of those books. You are right about that. It's unfortunate.
51:12Speaker 1Trying to get a phone out of their face. Goodness. And
51:15Speaker 3I don't listen, I don't really do much social media. All I do is
51:19Speaker 3read really. That's kind of where I get my information. I appreciate the actual books, man. I didn't know there was that much to say about GLP-1s,
51:26Speaker 5so I'll take a look at that book. Yeah. Hell yeah. Awesome. Well, I mean, I'll send you guys, I'll send you guys a copy. I have no problem sending you guys a copy and I'll send you guys a PDF of it right now. Cause you're not, you know, you don't want to carry it around. I mean, I'm not joking. It literally weighs probably like 18 pounds. Oh yeah, man. That's awesome. Awesome.
51:42Speaker 3So question, I guess here's a question for you. You are a bit you are busy. You have your hand in well, you're doing a lot of things. Is there any companies or
51:50Speaker 3things you're involved in that
51:52Speaker 3people don't know about or that are outside of this
51:56Speaker 3space?
51:59Speaker 3And well, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. And then what's your favorite thing that you do? Like you speak, you write books, you have, you run these companies, I guess. What do you, what do you really like doing of all of that? Or what parts of it? What do you dislike? What is the stuff that you hate doing? No, man. You don't have to disclose that. So actually, no, no, I will. I'm open book. I am involved in building something that's going to change the world a 100%.
52:24Speaker 3That's why I sent you guys that article. So there's a lot of clues inside that article. If you guys read that article, it will definitely take you 20 minutes to read it, but it's so weird that really You already wrote it? Okay, awesome. It really separates everything.
52:37Speaker 3But if you see the summary of what they say is what
52:41Speaker 3is available to make and to build, that's what I'm building.
52:44Speaker 3So, you know, I'm connected with some very, just call them titans,
52:48Speaker 5and you know, we're building it right now. And you know, 1st, because you guys know this, like in order, it's so sad in the corporate world these days, but like to build something lasting, you have to really handle the legal regulatory spot 1st. Boy. You
53:02Speaker 5have to build something structurally that will
53:06Speaker 5handle
53:07Speaker 5lawsuits-
53:08Speaker 1Hell yeah, dude.
53:10Speaker 5Man. So we're building that 1st and that's like what's encompassing a lot of our time. In fact, I actually have
53:18Speaker 53 days of meetings next week in Tampa, my hometown,
53:21Speaker 5where these folks are coming into Tampa and we're literally going to be in a boardroom all Tuesday, all Wednesday, and all Thursday to
53:28Speaker 5hammer this out. What
53:30Speaker 5we build will benefit you guys and will obviously,
53:33Speaker 5for most importantly, will benefit
53:36Speaker 5the world because like I said, like, you know, I want people and you guys do too. We all do. The good actors all want this. We want people to be safe.
53:44Speaker 5We want people to buy things and to use things where there's no risk. And
53:50Speaker 5that they know that what they're getting is 100% label claim. And right now that's unfortunately not the situation. And as
53:57Speaker 5I say in this book, and I've been saying this on podcasts for
54:01Speaker 5probably the last 5 months, the book came out in early February or middle February, excuse me, but in the last 5 months I've been talking about it is the
54:08Speaker 5problem is and you guys know this, but so few people don't.
54:13Speaker 595 percent of people who use GLPs fuck themselves up. 95
54:18Speaker 5percent.
54:18Speaker 5And the reason that that is, is because there's 0 education in the space. The difference between us and them is that we know how to use them.
54:27Speaker 5We know how to dose them. We know how to use testosterone
54:30Speaker 5with them. We know how to eat with them. We know how to train with them. We know how to get the right sleep with them. We know how to do everything else. Whereas all those people get none of that. They're not hormonally optimized.
54:42Speaker 5The doctor doesn't tell them what to do. They don't know they need to eat more protein. They don't know they need to lift weights. And then on top of that, a lot of them won't do it anyway because they're fucking lazy. Was going say that. Yeah,
54:53Speaker 3that's
54:54Speaker 1the biggest problem. They think it's an easy button. They were like, Oh, I don't have to do any of this. But again, it's not because,
55:01Speaker 5you know, it's
55:03Speaker 5because they're not being told. The doctors don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo care about making 1000000000000 dollars a year.
55:14Speaker 5They don't care about people getting healthier. They're not gonna teach people to microdose GLPs.
55:19Speaker 4Know, mean, think about potential doctors. They don't give a shit. Standard No face. Dosage
55:25Speaker 5in the studies for Retatrutide
55:27Speaker 5is 6
55:28Speaker 5fucking milligrams
55:29Speaker 5a week.
55:31Speaker 5And then they take them to 9 and 12. Can you imagine if a healthy person took 6 mg of Retrutide, what would they do?
55:39Speaker 5They'd go crazy.
55:41Speaker 5Fuck up their brain.
55:42Speaker 1Yeah, true.
55:44Speaker 5So I can get you just insanity, man. So I really think that our job, you know, as
55:50Speaker 5e commerce store owners and influencers,
55:53Speaker 5subject matter experts, podcasters, whatever the fuck we are, our job now is
55:58Speaker 5to educate people. Hell yeah. That's literally our job. It's not, there's nothing else. Like there's so many options. If they're going to go out there and buy fucking $49.99
56:07Speaker 5Reddit True Tide and get scammed, that's on them. They chose that.
56:11Speaker 5But we can at least educate them on how to do this shit right. And look, man, like you listen to that asshole Trevor Bachmeier, mean, guy's a fucking retard.
56:20Speaker 1Yeah. Can't do that. Every duel says stuff every day, dude. Yeah.
56:24Speaker 5Listen, everything that comes out is fake
56:27Speaker 5or for clickbait or engagement farming or whatever it is. I mean, you guys ever look at his actual views? He's got like 1,700,000
56:33Speaker 5followers and he has low views. So, I mean, all of his followers are fake. It's
56:38Speaker 1all fake.
56:39Speaker 5But there are smart people
56:41Speaker 5in social media or, you know, our followers,
56:44Speaker 5our consumers, you know, our fans and audiences
56:47Speaker 5who do watch it and then they come to us and they're like, Why is this guy saying this? Like, Hey, is this true? And you're like, No, it's not true. But
56:55Speaker 5I mean, it's like he says things to get a rise out of people. So the fact that I even mentioned him on this podcast has probably given him too much credit, but I'm just,
57:04Speaker 5honestly, I'm just over the fact that there are so many complete buffoons on social media talking about these products and confusing people because that's what's happening is they're just confusing the people that don't understand it like we do.
57:16Speaker 3True that. Absolutely. Hey, 1 of
57:19Speaker 3the nootropic peptides,
57:22Speaker 3What's
57:23Speaker 3your favorite 1? I mean, ones are kind of,
57:27Speaker 3well, the Cmax, Cmax are easier to feel, but the Cerebrolysin, Pinealon, Dihexa,
57:31Speaker 3I don't know. What's your take on a lot of those? Well, give me just some standouts, some general kind of opinions on don't what you
57:38Speaker 5feel any nootropic peptide other than Cerebrolysin.
57:42Speaker 5But you do feel that?
57:43Speaker 5Yeah, I mean, I noticed like, how do I say it? Like if I take 6 mg, you got to take a high dose. If I take 6 mg of cerebrolysin
57:53Speaker 5every other day for 4 weeks, I'll definitely have
57:56Speaker 5a little bit stronger cognitive performance
57:59Speaker 5throughout the day.
58:00Speaker 5I feel like a little bit more calm. That's 1 of the things it really does is it kind of calms me. I think it
58:06Speaker 5really relaxes GABA pathways in the body. So I think that's what it does, but it's also 1 of those peptides where like you can't take too much because your body will be overstimulated with those pathways that it works on. So you can only really do it like a month at a time. And I think the correct dosages like every other day or 3 days a week. And then really, like I said, for maybe 4 weeks and then go off of it for 4 to 6 weeks again after that. I feel nothing on Selank. I feel nothing on
58:33Speaker 5Cmax.
58:34Speaker 5At high doses of Dihexa, I get a little bit of a maybe cognitive enhancement.
58:40Speaker 5We
58:41Speaker 5sell an oral product called BioMind
58:44Speaker 5that has Dihexa,
58:46Speaker 5NUPEpt and
58:48Speaker 5J-one hundred 47, and that's like a stage 2 Alzheimer drug right now that really is doing lot
58:54Speaker 5in the studies.
58:55Speaker 5And I feel like a good lift for that, but I can't use,
58:58Speaker 5it really just makes everything brighter. I can't use that for very long.
59:02Speaker 5Might be able to take it a couple days a week and then after that I gotta go off of it because it
59:07Speaker 3loses the effect. So I'm not a really good guy to ask about nootropics because I've never really needed nootropics, but the ones that I take, I just don't feel much, but I really do like Cerebrolysin if you can get it. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I've, well, as me, you may or may not know, JD and I both have been sober and so are sober and have been for years for a reason because we like to, we have had some struggles with like real drugs in the past and I'm just not very sensitive to a lot of those things.
59:36Speaker 3So, you know, and obviously I hear different things, but yeah, I'm a tough 1 too. My answer is kind of similar to yours. I got a question. It's hard to feel.
59:43Speaker 1With all these at our fingertips, which there's so many and some are
59:47Speaker 1kind of duds with some are amazing.
59:50Speaker 1If you could choose 1 and that's the only thing, the only peptide you could take the rest of your life, what would it be?
59:56Speaker 5Man, that's a great question.
59:58Speaker 5Let me just think about it right now.
1:00:02Speaker 1I
1:00:04Speaker 5mean,
1:00:05Speaker 5it would be, right now it would probably be Retatrutide,
1:00:08Speaker 5but then it would be
1:00:11Speaker 5whatever comes from that, right? Because I talk about in the book, like the stage 4 and the stage 5 agonists are in the pipeline, right? Like the stage what 4 that look like? Yeah, so
1:00:20Speaker 5the stage 4 agonist is just myostatin inhibition. So we have it now, You can use FLGR
1:00:26Speaker 5and take rototrutide and you have a stage 4. It's as simple as that, right? But there'll be obviously ones coming that'll be a
1:00:32Speaker 5myostatin inhibitor component.
1:00:34Speaker 5And then the stage 5 supposedly is going to like increase brown adiopose tissue formation in your upper back. So it'll
1:00:41Speaker 5be basically like being on DNP.
1:00:43Speaker 5Wow. You know, your metabolic rate will just increase from just sitting there and walking around. Geez.
1:00:49Speaker 5They'll be safe?
1:00:51Speaker 5Oh yeah, it'll be safe. I mean, you can take right now, like we just launched, I mean, well, actually we didn't launch. I launched it into my body 4 days ago, but BAM-fifteen.
1:01:01Speaker 5We have a product called BioBam and BAM-fifteen
1:01:04Speaker 5has been in the market for about a year and 0.5,
1:01:07Speaker 5but everybody underdoses it because again, it's another example of people not misinterpreting
1:01:12Speaker 5the study data and the study is in rats.
1:01:15Speaker 5But you have to take at least 500 to 600 mg a day of BAM-fifteen or you're not going to feel shit. So
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1:02:00Speaker 5My 4th day.
1:02:02Speaker 5I've been taking 3 caps a day. I've been taking low dose, again, the recommended dose.
1:02:07Speaker 5And so far, I haven't really noticed anything. It's not increasing my body temperature or anything like that. Mean, again, it's nothing like DMP,
1:02:13Speaker 5but it works in similar mechanisms to DMP. So I'll be interested to see, I mean, chief science officer swears that if I take it for a month, notice fat loss. But again,
1:02:24Speaker 5a product that
1:02:26Speaker 5you be on it for a long time because it's an uncoupler and uncouplers are doing bad things in the body. So you got to take a lot of antioxidants.
1:02:33Speaker 5You got to take
1:02:35Speaker 5like coenzyme Q10,
1:02:37Speaker 5NAC,
1:02:38Speaker 5what's the other thing? Urolithin A, things like that to really make sure that you're repleting things that are being depleted.
1:02:46Speaker 5But I think my answer is probably twofold. I think it's probably going to be Melanotan-one
1:02:52Speaker 5because I love the consciousness enhancement. I love getting into stillness. It really helps me meditate and do stuff in the morning when I really wanna be reflective or contemplative or introspective.
1:03:02Speaker 5And then for sure, Retta, because it just, dude, it shreds on a fucking microdose.
1:03:08Speaker 5It's
1:03:09Speaker 5a damn scientific breakthrough. High doses. What do think
1:03:14Speaker 3about SLU-3P and
1:03:16Speaker 3how high of a dose should a person run? Let's talk about like oral SLU-3P, right?
1:03:20Speaker 5Oral SLU-3P is an amazing product. Absolutely amazing caps. I think they sell 100 mg.
1:03:25Speaker 5I
1:03:27Speaker 5know there's people out there
1:03:29Speaker 5making high dose now, but we were the 1st company to make high dose. And I took the low dose product
1:03:35Speaker 5right when it 1st came out from Amino- Asylum, which is now Soma- Chem's,
1:03:39Speaker 5in 2024.
1:03:41Speaker 5So I was taking
1:03:43Speaker 5low dose SLU-twenty 24 and I was literally taking like 200 micrograms a day and so was my wife and we both got leaner. Mean, we actually did a photo shoot
1:03:53Speaker 5on 4 weeks of doing that and we were both like,
1:03:57Speaker 5I was probably 6.57%.
1:03:59Speaker 5I didn't even diet. It was crazy. Now granted, I was still using a microdose of Retta, but both of us got really good results from that. And then the Gorilla Chemist came to me and was like, Dude,
1:04:09Speaker 5this is all wrong. We got to do higher doses of the SLU-3. And I was like, What? And so then I read the research and I was like, Holy fuck.
1:04:16Speaker 5So I started taking 200 mg capsules that he actually handmade
1:04:21Speaker 5himself from some company in China in,
1:04:24Speaker 5I want to say August of last year, and Jesus, man, in literally like 5 weeks,
1:04:29Speaker 5I lost at least
1:04:32Speaker 52 or 3 pounds of pure body fat, like right through here.
1:04:36Speaker 5Mean, I was just absolutely peeled.
1:04:38Speaker 5But there's only Listen, there's definitely a negative, a very negative thing. It's not negative from a health standpoint. If you take high dose SLU-four
1:04:47Speaker 5hundred, 608 hundred milligrams a day-
1:04:50Speaker 5it's so powerful of a glycogen,
1:04:53Speaker 5I'm sorry,
1:04:55Speaker 5ATP synthase
1:04:56Speaker 5producer that you are going to be eating everything in your fucking house. Mean, just
1:05:02Speaker 5dramatically ramps
1:05:05Speaker 5up appetite and just again your need for glycogen and carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates. So it's not really, in my opinion, it's not really a drug you want to take around if you want to be shredded or you're dieting for a show or something like that. But if you need to gain size,
1:05:19Speaker 5fuck dude, testosterone and 800 mg of SLU-4like 8 weeks in a row is definitely going to put size on you because you're going get Wow, like
1:05:28Speaker 5that's crazy.
1:05:29Speaker 5But it's definitely effective. It also increases
1:05:32Speaker 5force production.
1:05:33Speaker 5So it does a lot of things, you know, from a mitochondrial standpoint.
1:05:37Speaker 5I honestly don't think there's any risks to it
1:05:40Speaker 5because I've been using it now for what, fuck, almost it'll be 2 years in July,
1:05:45Speaker 5on and off. And I do think that if you're taking a high dose sleep cycle you shouldn't go any longer than 6 to 8 weeks. I think you should and then you should stay off of it for that long. Look, you could actually run
1:05:57Speaker 5SLU-3P at high dose for 6 to 8 weeks. And by the way, for women high dose is 200 mg. My wife, if she takes any more than 200 mg, she gets the runs. And again, that makes sense, right? Because it's really, really amping your AMPK cycle in the body.
1:06:12Speaker 5And so it's going to just massively stimulate metabolic uplift or whatever you want call it, And
1:06:17Speaker 5so you're going to get runs, especially as a woman, a small woman. My wife's tiny. She's five'five, like 127
1:06:23Speaker 5pounds, 128 pounds. So it really gives her the runs.
1:06:27Speaker 5So I think that's the max dosage in women. I think in men, I think we're like 600
1:06:31Speaker 5to 800. I've gone up to a gram a day,
1:06:34Speaker 5but I didn't notice any difference in 600
1:06:37Speaker 5to 800.
1:06:39Speaker 5And by the way, it's expensive, right? Because we
1:06:42Speaker 5sell Shredmax and it's 100 mg a cap,
1:06:45Speaker 5and I think our bottle is $120
1:06:47Speaker 5don't quote me on it, it's either $90 to 120 and we sell it for like $499
1:06:51Speaker 4So,
1:06:52Speaker 5you know, guys are going to be able to run ANNOVAR and Primo for much cheaper than you. Do
1:06:58Speaker 1you think though where we're headed with
1:07:01Speaker 1peptides
1:07:02Speaker 1and where it's going, going
1:07:04Speaker 1to rival any type of gear?
1:07:06Speaker 1Because it sounds like it's kind of approaching it in some forms, but do you ever think it's gonna
1:07:11Speaker 1touch gear in any way?
1:07:14Speaker 5Probably not. I'm not, no. Yes. FLGR.
1:07:18Speaker 5So if you give FLGR
1:07:19Speaker 5right now, which is again, the recombinant folestatin to somebody who's never touched testosterone,
1:07:24Speaker 5so obviously none of us qualify. Yeah. It's pretty fucking insane. Wow. Like, that's interesting. Like there's a guy I wish I had his pictures right now. I'd share the screen and show them to you guys, but there's
1:07:35Speaker 5a guy who's been sending us pictures. He's like 37.
1:07:39Speaker 5He's never touched anything, not even clomiphene,
1:07:42Speaker 5not even like test booster supplements.
1:07:44Speaker 5He started with 2.5 mg in the 1st 4 weeks and then he went to 5 mg the 2nd 4 weeks and he literally looks like a guy who's on tests.
1:07:52Speaker 5Wow. Mean, insane. That's
1:07:54Speaker 5I
1:07:55Speaker 5do think that
1:07:57Speaker 5the stage 4 GLPs,
1:08:00Speaker 5if they do have an effective myostatin inhibitor and really just FLGR 2.2,
1:08:05Speaker 1I
1:08:07Speaker 5think that you'll be able to use that. Now obviously I'm never gonna speak against testosterone because remember, we want testosterone for the brain effects. Yeah, We
1:08:15Speaker 5want the dopamine signaling, you know, we want that.
1:08:17Speaker 5Mean, granted there's some anabolic signaling, but it's mostly brain,
1:08:21Speaker 5you know, neural pathways and stuff. That's why we went tests. So I don't think there's ever going to be a replacement for that, but I definitely think,
1:08:28Speaker 5and I was talking to Brian, know, the gorilla chemist about this the other day, I really do think that anabolics that put a lot of risk are
1:08:35Speaker 5you know, vascular profile and our lipid profile and our liver profile. I think that those will be replaced. Really do think this Anabar,
1:08:42Speaker 3I think Anabar, Primo, and Winstraw will have no place in a person who's truly looking to be healthy long term. That's right. Awesome. Yeah. You know what I always say, I've always said like, God, I wish I could do more testosterone without getting any bigger.
1:08:55Speaker 1Yeah, exactly, dude. Exactly.
1:08:57Speaker 5It's too bad that
1:09:00Speaker 3I did so so damn anabolic.
1:09:02Speaker 5Yeah dude. And the other thing too is I think as you get older, you guys know this, there's
1:09:07Speaker 5definitely, and obviously genetics plays a massive role, there's
1:09:11Speaker 5definitely a level of testosterone that you can take where you don't have prostate issues. Because
1:09:16Speaker 5as you get older,
1:09:17Speaker 5your prostate grows naturally no matter what. So guys are on androgens or low doses, surgically precise clinical doses of tests,
1:09:26Speaker 5probably going to have a little bit more hypertrophy. It's not negative in causing cancer, but it will increase the size. So it just means you're going to piss once or twice a night.
1:09:35Speaker 5Fuck, if you disrupt your sleep when you're in your 50s and 60s, that sucks.
1:09:39Speaker 5It's not the best. You want to sleep at least 6 hours straight or hopefully if you can, 5 hours straight. So
1:09:45Speaker 4what's your antidote to that? Is there a way to fix that? Just deal with it. So put it this way,
1:09:52Speaker 5I mean, that's something I've been working on for literally 4 years. I've looked at so many herbs. Mean, seriously, I've looked at so many herbs. I've looked at so many adaptogens.
1:10:01Speaker 5I'm hopeful that somebody will eventually figure something out that you can
1:10:06Speaker 5shrink the increasing size of the prostate as you get older, but right now There's there's really nothing
1:10:12Speaker 5been some studies done on some really weird
1:10:14Speaker 5roots in Africa, but nobody's made it into an elixir or even a capsule yet. It's too expensive.
1:10:20Speaker 5So I hold out hope that eventually there will be something, because I think right now that's probably the biggest issue for most men over the age of 55 is like BPH,
1:10:29Speaker 5know, having to piss twice a night. And I know guys on testosterone are always in that crowd. I'm 1 of them. I mean, I definitely, if I can sleep, if I don't drink any water or drink a protein shake, you know, before, or I'm sorry, I should say after 8PM,
1:10:44Speaker 5I usually can go all night only waking up once.
1:10:47Speaker 5But if I drink a protein shake or if I eat a steak,
1:10:50Speaker 5you know, or if I'm drinking like, God knows when you're on SLU-3.5, it massively increases your electrolyte consumption. I mean, I'm waking up twice. I'm
1:10:59Speaker 5waking up at 02:45 and then I'm waking up at like 5 again, you know?
1:11:04Speaker 1Join the club, brother. Yeah,
1:11:06Speaker 3hear you. All right. I guess, you know, we're
1:11:09Speaker 3getting low in time, but is there any upcoming events? We talked about this recently. Any upcoming
1:11:15Speaker 3peptide conferences
1:11:16Speaker 3that you're excited about or what's the newest, what's the next 1? Are you gonna go to the 1 in Peru that I saw, I've been seeing advertised? Didn't know there was 1 Peru. I didn't know there was 1 in Peru, but I can definitely tell you guys that we are doing Peptidepalooza.
1:11:28Speaker 5Peptidepalooza
1:11:29Speaker 5is gonna be in Cancun.
1:11:31Speaker 5Nice. I want to say either the 3rd or 4th weekend of February next year, it's going be really big. You guys will start seeing ads for it and stuff. It's
1:11:42Speaker 5basically me and Trevor Kruder and our crews
1:11:45Speaker 5putting it together. So if you guys want to be involved in that, I'll reach out to you and let you know. But I mean, we really want to make it big. Want something
1:11:52Speaker 5the opposite of like fucking the seeds bullshit that we went to last year, which is, you know, a fucking joke.
1:11:57Speaker 1Dude. Were imagining- What an absolute joke. Hey, man, anywhere we can help with any of what we've talked about,
1:12:03Speaker 1know, we're
1:12:04Speaker 1aligned,
1:12:05Speaker 1you know, in all that stuff, brother. So
1:12:08Speaker 1I always say I die on this hill, man. So we're fighting big brother. I'm ready.
1:12:13Speaker 1Man. You put me in coach.
1:12:14Speaker 5Mean, you guys, did you guys want to talk a little bit about testosterone? I know JD said he wanted to talk a little bit about it. I mean, I'm happy to, if you guys want to. Sure. I mean, we can always talk about that. We have a lot of doctors that come on and are you, what are your thoughts on AIs?
1:12:29Speaker 5Mean, they're they're
1:12:32Speaker 5absolutely cell toxins. They should not be used.
1:12:35Speaker 5There's no purpose for an AI. I mean, like, here's the thing is like,
1:12:40Speaker 5and obviously I learned this from really, really smart doctors that understand the importance of estrogen, healthy levels of estrogen. The
1:12:48Speaker 5truth about AIs is that, and this is what you really have to look at them, is that they're literally stage 3 and stage 4 women's breast cancer. Right. That's where they were developed.
1:12:58Speaker 5Right. So there's there's no cellular
1:13:01Speaker 5value
1:13:02Speaker 5for an AI
1:13:04Speaker 5other than to prevent, you know, this toxic
1:13:08Speaker 5cancerous buildup in a woman's breast tissue. So when you give them to men to suppress estrogen for men who are on therapeutic testosterone,
1:13:16Speaker 5only bad things happen, right? And they really are cell toxins. I've written many, many articles on my books about AIs.
1:13:22Speaker 5By the way, when I wrote the book, the book you read and then the follow-up, which is the TOT Bible,
1:13:29Speaker 5I didn't have the information then that I have now about AIs. And so we really didn't understand it. So in the very early part of using
1:13:36Speaker 5testosterone, we thought you wanted to block estrogen. Yeah, of course. And obviously we learned that that's the worst thing you could possibly do. But here's the truth. Like when
1:13:45Speaker 5doctors give men AIs
1:13:47Speaker 5because men are complaining of high estrogen symptoms, they don't have high estrogen symptoms. There's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms. What they have is insulin resistance.
1:13:57Speaker 5And men with belly fat, men that drink too much alcohol, men that consume lots of sugar based drinks,
1:14:04Speaker 5they are getting an inflammatory
1:14:06Speaker 5cascade from their testosterone
1:14:08Speaker 5that's creating what their doctor and of course they think are high estrogen symptoms, which are again, mood imbalance or alteration,
1:14:16Speaker 5itchy nips,
1:14:18Speaker 5water retention down
1:14:20Speaker 5here in the waist. I mean, all of those things are due to insulin resistance and it's
1:14:25Speaker 5truly unfortunate that doctors don't understand this.
1:14:29Speaker 5A lot of bodybuilders like pros, and I had this conversation with Ben Pakolski when we did our Landmark podcast back in 2019, I think it was 2018 actually,
1:14:38Speaker 5that really was like the biggest testosterone podcast ever. It had like 1000000 views
1:14:43Speaker 5on YouTube. I think it still does or is over it, I guess, now. But Ben and I went really deep and Ben said, Look, man, he goes, I always knew when I was competing
1:14:51Speaker 5that it was terrible because when I took it and he said he would only take it
1:14:56Speaker 5at the end of his prep because he couldn't get water off his hamstrings.
1:15:00Speaker 5It was the only way that he could take it. He was taking aromasin, but he said it literally felt like its head was in a vice
1:15:06Speaker 5when he was on it. And so he knew that it was He just knew it. He's very sensitive. Obviously, he's a very spiritually connected guy too. And so he just was like, will never take that. And so when I told him, because he didn't know the level of I knew about the science of it, it all made sense to him.
1:15:22Speaker 5And that's when he was like, Fuck man. He's like, You really got to get this information out because there's too many guys that are bodybuilders that are taking this and they think it's great because they're on 2 g of tests a week and blah blah blah. But look man, the studies are out there.
1:15:36Speaker 5If you take a high dose of an AI as a testosterone using man, not a bodybuilder, not a competitor, just a
1:15:44Speaker 5guy on 2 50 to 200 mg a week, whatever testosterone,
1:15:48Speaker 5and you take it for 10 years, you've 100% shortened your lifespan. 100%.
1:15:53Speaker 5100%.
1:15:54Speaker 5If you look at what AIs do
1:15:57Speaker 5intercellularly,
1:15:58Speaker 5I mean, are just
1:15:59Speaker 5terrorizing
1:16:00Speaker 5everything.
1:16:01Speaker 5There is nothing good about them. It's the same thing as DHT inhibitors. Same pathways,
1:16:07Speaker 5same bad results.
1:16:09Speaker 5As you guys know, some guys get finasteride syndrome,
1:16:13Speaker 5PFS, and it's the worst thing ever. They kill themselves. They literally kill themselves. And that's like a genetic component. There are some people that have horrible results for taking a DHT inhibitor and other guys can take high dosages of them and never even had a side effect, but they're still
1:16:29Speaker 5fucking up their cells.
1:16:31Speaker 5And that's the problem with these things. When I wrote these articles back in 2020, I think it was 2021 about DHT inhibitors and AIs,
1:16:38Speaker 5I think we said you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
1:16:41Speaker 5So you're getting some sort of a blockage for whatever it is you're looking for, whether it's follicular
1:16:47Speaker 5mineralization in the scalp for DHT
1:16:50Speaker 5or lack of water retention because obviously AIs do take water retention away or maybe even remove the itchy sensation at your nipples.
1:16:59Speaker 5But it's
1:17:00Speaker 5short term gain for long term suffering.
1:17:03Speaker 1That's- So if they're getting those gyno symptoms,
1:17:06Speaker 1itchy nipples
1:17:07Speaker 1where that gland is starting to grow, they're getting zits on their chest or their back,
1:17:11Speaker 1what would be your play with that?
1:17:14Speaker 1Just Well, lower the gyno, yeah, it's a great question. So gyno,
1:17:19Speaker 5It's it's a great great question. It takes a smart answer. So gyno is genetic,
1:17:24Speaker 5but guys that get sensitive nipples
1:17:27Speaker 5doesn't mean they have the gyno gene or they don't have the gyno situation because the sensitivity is
1:17:34Speaker 5if it's itching but not pronounced, and the reason that I know this is because I have the
1:17:40Speaker 5gene and I had the tissues removed. Yeah, me too. Right? So I had 2 separate surgeries in my life.
1:17:46Speaker 5I interviewed way back when, even after I wrote the 1st book, Doctor. Joseph Cruz, who's out by you guys. The guy completely went insane, but he was the world's top
1:17:56Speaker 5gyno surgeon. He did like 7,000 gyno surgeries. He won all these awards.
1:18:01Speaker 5Him and I became friends. But anyway, he went off the deep end. I think he had like a pain addiction,
1:18:06Speaker 5addiction. So I think he dropped out of society. But he was the top gyno surgeon in the world and, you know, him and I got into detailed conversations. But when he was performing gyno surgery
1:18:17Speaker 5in 2015, 2016 and 2017, he didn't know that gyno was genetic.
1:18:21Speaker 5It wasn't until Doctor. Anthony Jay in 2018 started coding through 23andMe genetic
1:18:27Speaker 5readouts that he found that there was a gyno gene. And 64
1:18:32Speaker 5percent of all men have gyno gene. Oh wow. Now does that actually mean it doesn't mean that you're ever going to get gyno, but if you obviously take testosterone or anabolic steroids or get really fat,
1:18:43Speaker 5the likelihood that the gyno expression,
1:18:46Speaker 5meaning the glandular expression happens is very high. And there's no solution except
1:18:51Speaker 5surgical excision.
1:18:53Speaker 5You cannot take raloxifene
1:18:55Speaker 5or
1:18:56Speaker 5Norvodex
1:18:57Speaker 5or Arobenzin
1:18:58Speaker 5or any AI. Those are just temporary band aids. They mediate the symptoms, but they absolutely
1:19:05Speaker 5do not solve the issue. And so as you know, a lot of bodybuilders, a lot of guys are ashamed of their gyno and so they take shit to suppress it, but they're not fixing it. So I always tell people, man, look, dude, if you got
1:19:18Speaker 5the gyno gene and you have gyno, just get it cut out. Hell yeah, man. Best decision I ever made, dude. Of course, bro. I mean, 100%.
1:19:25Speaker 5Yeah, cause you're, you're walking around and you're embarrassed to take your shirt off. Sucked dude. Yeah, exactly. And it burns. As you know, it burns your kids come up and hug you and you're like, fuck.
1:19:35Speaker 5All right. How about HCG running concurrently
1:19:37Speaker 5with testosterone? What's your current view? What do you think? I So, think HCG is great, but here's the thing, if you don't want kids, you don't need it. You don't need it at all.
1:19:48Speaker 5You want giant
1:19:49Speaker 5fleshy, sacky porno balls hanging down, then go ahead.
1:19:54Speaker 5Ahead and inject HCG. But I've always said this, and again, learned from really smart doctors who mentored me,
1:20:01Speaker 5you're giving yourself 2 androgen
1:20:04Speaker 5pulses if you're giving yourself HCG a test. Now look, if you're a young guy and you want kids, you have no option.
1:20:10Speaker 5You have to take a micro dose of HCG or HMG and HCG
1:20:14Speaker 5together are much better than But them in
1:20:17Speaker 5when you get older like us and we're done having kids, you don't need HCG at all. Absolutely not.
1:20:23Speaker 3Unless you want bigger balls. Exactly.
1:20:26Speaker 5And I think, and I've always said this, for guys like us, they're doing cardio and shit, like big, hangy, fleshy, sacky balls is fucking ridiculous. That's how you get injured. You ride a bike.
1:20:38Speaker 1I'm
1:20:39Speaker 1on HCG,
1:20:42Speaker 1dude.
1:20:43Speaker 5People will be like, Oh, but my wife loves my fluffy balls. I'm like, Dude, your wife just got your dick.
1:20:49Speaker 5She doesn't give a fuck about your balls. She'll let them tell you care about your balls.
1:20:55Speaker 1Jake Campbell, we love you dude. It's you never disappoint, man. We gotta get you to like, if you're in Cali, man, let's get you live. I'll
1:21:03Speaker 5definitely come down there and sit down with you guys. Be awesome. We'll top it up. Will, honestly, I'll be there.
1:21:08Speaker 5I'll probably be there in June for sure. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Stop by man. Let's know about the
1:21:14Speaker 3Cancun.
1:21:15Speaker 4Well, I'm going connect
1:21:18Speaker 5you guys with Jeff Cohen's office as soon as this call's over.
1:21:22Speaker 5J. D, give me Will's or just have Will text me so I can put you guys together
1:21:28Speaker 5and I'll connect you guys with them. And then,
1:21:31Speaker 5Peptide Palooza,
1:21:33Speaker 5give me about a week because we're building a deck for it right now. But 100%
1:21:37Speaker 5I want, I only want people like us, right? I don't want any fucking retards. Retards You
1:21:43Speaker 5know, there's going be some audience people
1:21:45Speaker 5that will be newbies and stuff, but that's cool. We want them getting good information. But you know, my goal with this is
1:21:51Speaker 52 days of actual,
1:21:54Speaker 5real
1:21:55Speaker 5JD Denham, Jay Campbell, Will House education.
1:21:59Speaker 5Like teaching people how to stack, what to use, what's the best thing, dosing,
1:22:03Speaker 5none of the shit that
1:22:05Speaker 5seeds is afraid to talk about. We're not going be talking about colostrum.
1:22:09Speaker 5You know what I mean?
1:22:11Speaker 5And then we'll definitely have dinners at night.
1:22:14Speaker 5I think the way we're going do it, and again, it's still being worked out, but we're going to have 1 main room
1:22:19Speaker 5where people will present
1:22:21Speaker 5And then in the secondary room will be hands on stuff.
1:22:24Speaker 5So there'll be people literally showing how to use peptide pens,
1:22:28Speaker 5like how to stack,
1:22:30Speaker 5where to inject, all that kind of stuff. So real hands on shit that you can get away with in Mexico.
1:22:35Speaker 5And then obviously every night we'll have like a dinner and I think pretty sure it's gonna be Thursday and Friday on Saturday night
1:22:42Speaker 5for people that stay for the weekend, because I'm sure most people will. We'll probably have like a giant fucking DJ
1:22:47Speaker 5event type thing. So it'll be epic.
1:22:50Speaker 5Love it. Sounds awesome. So, well, cool man. Do you wanna leave where anybody can find you? I believe most people probably know, but where's the easiest place to find you? Yeah, man, for sure. Appreciate you guys asking. So on social, when I'm not shadow banned, you know, I don't even give my IG account anymore. I do have a backup account. It's jcampbell1971,
1:23:10Speaker 5which is my birth year,
1:23:12Speaker 5but it's a small account. It's got like 3,000 followers. Then
1:23:16Speaker 5on Axe is where I do most of my damage. And so that's Jcampbell-333.
1:23:20Speaker 5Everything else is just so fucking suppressed and shadow banned. I am on YouTube
1:23:25Speaker 5and LinkedIn, but I mean, again, you can't find me. It's insane how suppressed I am there. Obviously
1:23:31Speaker 5my website
1:23:32Speaker 5is where really the bulk of my work is. Do, at last count, I think I have 113
1:23:38Speaker 5articles now that are in the top 5 rankings on Google. So for
1:23:43Speaker 5the people like Will that actually can fucking read still,
1:23:47Speaker 5that's where they find me realistically because they're like, Oh shit.
1:23:52Speaker 5Smart people that still read, that's where they find me because all the articles are there and they're all for free. So again, it's just jacampbell.com
1:23:58Speaker 5and
1:23:59Speaker 5there is a domain for people to get all my books for free. It's jcampbell.com/freeinfo.
1:24:06Speaker 5So it's jcampbell.com/freeinfo
1:24:09Speaker 5and they can download every single book I've ever written, which as of now is 9.
1:24:14Speaker 5Book 10, I didn't tell you guys about that, is coming out this year. And it's actually being ghostwritten by,
1:24:21Speaker 5I guess I can let the cat out of the bag, it's being ghostwritten by the number 1 ghostwriter in the world.
1:24:26Speaker 5So he's the guy that writes books for like all these celebrities, you know, the Tony Robbins of the world and stuff like that. So
1:24:32Speaker 5I have no idea what he's writing. It's kind of like a gag. 1 of my partners was like, I want to do this for you because I want to see what they put out compared to what you put out. That's
1:24:42Speaker 5hilarious. I know they're to write about Clotho and Follistatin, and then they're going to write about like our lifestyle, you know, like what type
1:24:50Speaker 5of person does these things?
1:24:52Speaker 5And so I think they're going to come from that angle and then they're going to just talk about me, but honestly, it's it's being completely written without any of my influence. Oh wow. That's interesting. So I have no idea. I mean, I get to see the final transcript or manuscript at the very end and I can kind of say, you can't do that. You'll know what mean. I
1:25:08Speaker 5wanted to just tell you happens.
1:25:11Speaker 5I'm sure it'll be like a roast. It'll probably be like some sort of a roast. But I mean, they definitely are definitely trying to
1:25:17Speaker 5position it for people to find out about these amazing molecules
1:25:21Speaker 5because they're game changing. Oh, and let me just give you guys 1 last bonus.
1:25:24Speaker 5So Mike Farber, the chemist, he's also got another product coming which is insane
1:25:30Speaker 5and it's called Lepto 3GR.
1:25:32Speaker 5And I'm not joking when I tell you guys this. It is literally a super Retatrutide.
1:25:36Speaker 5So it
1:25:38Speaker 5binds somewhere between 5
1:25:41Speaker 5Well, I mean, obviously there's 3 different receptors with the triple agonist, but each
1:25:45Speaker 5definite receptor
1:25:47Speaker 5binds somewhere between 7 and 15 times harder than retreutide. So you literally, you ready for this? You can take 50
1:25:55Speaker 5micrograms in an entire month
1:25:58Speaker 5and get better appetite suppression, insulin signaling and nutrient partitioning than Retrutide right now. Holy shit. Damn. It'll be much cheaper and
1:26:07Speaker 5a lot smaller dose.
1:26:09Speaker 5But we definitely don't know the dosing strategies yet because it's such a new product, but he is using it with a bunch of women overseas and he's seeing insane results. By the way, no nausea,
1:26:19Speaker 5no side effects. It's just so small. It takes literally like 12 days to feel anything,
1:26:24Speaker 5but you just take a tiny, tiny amount and maybe he thinks like 2 injections a month. Wow. That's amazing. That's right. That's amazing. You better protect that from
1:26:32Speaker 5yeah. Oh yeah, no, no. Everything he makes is patented and trademarked and he's
1:26:37Speaker 5a beast with IP. He doesn't let anybody go after it and stuff. So we'll see. But my hope is they want to sell it. They want to start selling it in May, but I'm like, guys, we don't have enough data.
1:26:46Speaker 5You know, we got to have some people use it 1st.
1:26:50Speaker 5Good for you. So anyway, that's coming. That'll be the next product in his 3 products, but I'm pretty sure that Ghostwriter is going to write about that product too, because I think they want this book to come out in September.
1:26:59Speaker 1Oh, that's cool, man. Good stuff. It means you've made it, man. Well, it was a blast, man. We'll do it again soon and give us contact information. We'll jump on board with you, man. It's
1:27:10Speaker 5been a pleasure, my friend. You guys, man, I love you both, man. It was an honor and I'm, you know, JD, whenever you need me, dude, I'm there and hopefully I'll see you in by June. 0 All right, brother. Pleasure to meet you. He'll actually speak to you in person. Well, kind of virtually.
1:27:22Speaker 1All right. All right. You got it, my man. Alright, guys. We'll catch you next time. You guys take care.