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0:54Speaker 1Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Cross the way like always with a good buddy, my friend, Mr. William T. Haas. What's up, dude? What's up, man? Happy Friday. Yeah. Good show today. Hohoo, good show today. Someone that Will and I greatly respect. We've been following him for years. We call him the godfather of TRT and
1:25Speaker 4big fans. I had told you this, but I wanted to quickly start on this story when Will and I started our company, you know, small little dinky company and labeling our own stuff and just starting off, we always had Jake Campbell
1:47Speaker 5That's what life's about, baby. A lot of So 1st off, thank you guys for having me, Will. It's nice to meet you virtually. I'm
1:54Speaker 5sure when we meet in person, we'll really chop it up and break bread together, but it's an honor.
2:03Speaker 5I'm waiting for you to message me because I know through the And 1 podcast people that, you know, they had messaged me a couple months ago and said, Hey, you want he wanted to do a podcast. And, know, they're just doing what they do. They don't know that you and I know each other. And I wrote them back and I was like, Dude, I'll go on JD's podcast whenever. I block 0.5 these people because it's like, no.
2:29Speaker 5like you guys, I work inside the research space. I mean, my lawyer doesn't even like me saying that anymore. He likes to say the direct to consumer space because that's what it is, and we'll talk about that on this podcast. But
2:39Speaker 5I've got a lot to share. As I told you guys yesterday in a message, there's some things I can't share for
2:48Speaker 5is a lot of stuff that I wanna put into the ether because there's so many fucking retards
3:10Speaker 5really a shred of a clue of what they're talking about. And that goes for Andrew Huberman.
3:32Speaker 5And you know, this guy, I'll just tell you guys straight up right now, it's Jeff Cohen.
3:54Speaker 5knew 5 months in advance. And just as we knew that, we also knew what was happening with the GLP space.
4:01Speaker 5And I can share with you guys all that because there's a lot of stuff that people still don't know about that. So we can go as deep as you want, but like I said, if there's certain questions you ask me that I don't answer, you know why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. Well, let's
4:12Speaker 3talk about that. Let's go as deep as you like. While we're at it, so shoot, while we're at Peptide Sciences, I think everybody wants to know. We
4:29Speaker 5So very truthfully, the owner of Peptide Sciences, which I'm sure you guys know who it is, he's out there close to you guys now,
4:56Speaker 5thousands of people have created lives and really good lives for themselves and their families and their loved ones because of what they were really able to do to carve the niche out that they did. I think, don't
5:15Speaker 5a long time and very truthfully, because obviously I'm an OG in this space, I tell people I've been using peptides since 2003,
5:30Speaker 5I would have gotten into the research space a long time ago and I'd be a gazillionaire and I wouldn't do a podcast because I wouldn't care. But the
5:44Speaker 5and they built a massive, massive infrastructure. And I want to give him even more credit because
5:54Speaker 5but if you ever went there, and I'm sure all of us have gone there many times, he had literally like the Wikipedia
5:59Speaker 5of peptide information, right? So they had built up so much of this giant knowledge bank or call it this, it was really like an Akashic Records for a health optimization. They had every single peptide,
6:19Speaker 5But a lot of people in the compounded clinical space and by the way, this isn't just The United States, this is globally,
6:37Speaker 5even guys like us to really get deep dive data because they really did a great job of collating all these studies. So anyway, the bottom line is,
6:47Speaker 5obviously there are certain things I can't tell you guys, basically the owner of Peptide Sciences
7:08Speaker 5Overseas. Blah, blah, blah. Not true. Completely not true. Did not break any laws. In fact, I'll tell you guys this right now. They did not receive
7:23Speaker 5Were some phone calls made from some very high level people in the government, obviously. And
7:32Speaker 5your finances and your records, etcetera, and all that stuff. And they complied because they were a very obviously incredibly efficient and productive business.
8:00Speaker 5come after them in some way. So him, being the owner of Peptide Sciences, again not mentioning his name, hired
8:15Speaker 5before he decided to cash out, which was obviously at the end of February because I think this was announced in the very early part of March,
8:21Speaker 5he got a phone call from somebody on his legal defense team and they negotiated a deal with, I guess, somebody in the highest levels of the government, DSIP,
8:38Speaker 5And he decided that, you know what? He was like, I don't want to deal with any of this pressure
8:42Speaker 5over my head or looking over my shoulder that they're going to come after me for some unknown reason. So very, very simply, he made a really great living for himself. He did very, very well, and he literally just decided to cash out.
8:56Speaker 4your opinion, and it's obviously just an opinion, do you think that they were coming after him eventually? Do you think he jumped ship right before it sank?
9:12Speaker 5So this is what I think, and obviously I can't prove this and I want this for the record, this is my opinion.
9:29Speaker 5when I met with Cali Means in Las Vegas and I had a 20 actually probably a 25 to 30 minute 1 on 1 conversation with him, which was set up by a mutual friend of ours, Tom Arts.
9:42Speaker 5he listened to me. He was very, very observant. He was very, very open ears. He did not interrupt me. He was actually a very cool dude. Very cool guy. Callie Means, shout out to Callie Means, super cool guy.
10:03Speaker 5why we actually were developed, meaning the whole entire research space as a competitor
10:13Speaker 5can't afford a doctor or don't want to pay a doctor for a script. They want to do it themselves. So that's the
10:21Speaker 5from a legal opinion standpoint. They look at the research space as the direct to consumer
10:32Speaker 5market that developed side by side the pharma market from people that didn't want to go down the pharma pathway. So that's how they look at it. But he said to me,
10:50Speaker 5So the truth is that all of us in the research space, and obviously you guys now know because we're going talk about this, this actually even goes into the compounding space because if Eli Lilly had their druthers, they want to get rid of every compounder too because
11:11Speaker 5Changing the molecular formula, adding hyaluronic acid, etcetera, doing all these things they do. If they had their druthers, they'd get rid of everybody. That's what they're doing. If you guys have seen the SAFE CARES Act
11:22Speaker 5that they passed in December, which obviously hasn't been passed as legislation, but it's drafted in Indiana, which is Eli Lilly's home Eli Lilly's territory. Yeah, you're right. So they
11:39Speaker 5GLP-three, and any future GLP-four or 5 or anything that's coming down the pipeline, which we can talk about. So it's like,
11:45Speaker 5it's a really weird world, but I said all that to tell you what my opinion about peptide sciences is. I think that Lilly pressured
12:19Speaker 5your chips off the table, that at some point we will come after you. And again, when I say come after you,
12:24Speaker 5you got to understand, and this is coming from my attorney and obviously I'm not an attorney, but I have smart attorneys that advise me. There's nothing they were doing that's illegal.
12:39Speaker 5nebulous in scope, but there are certain things that like the FDA doesn't have purview over in the research space and vice versa. So it's a weird thing.
12:54Speaker 5in the research space is if you're a bad actor, right? And we'll talk about that because there are a lot of bad actors. We can get to that in a 2nd. But you've got to really be doing stupid shit selling anabolic,
13:11Speaker 5Again, just doing everything wrong, not paying for an attorney to give you advice. And so there's a lot of bad actors. In the truth,
13:54Speaker 5and they're not what the label says they are so that you can bust them for various state statute walls, etcetera. And
14:01Speaker 5again, I heard about that back in 2023, but nothing ever came of it. Nobody ever got prosecuted. There weren't even any cease and desist letters as far as I understand. Maybe they got a cease and desist letter from Novo or something on SEMA. I don't know. But the reality is that from what I understand, and again I'm really close to the catbird seat in that deal,
14:21Speaker 5he literally just decided to cash out at the last 2nd. All the people that worked for him, which I'm very close to 1 of them as you guys know, basically found out the next morning.
14:44Speaker 5for marketing for BLL and all of a sudden I got the text message that said, we've decided to close. And so then I texted my attorney
14:53Speaker 5and said, what the hell is this? And he goes, I'm just finding out about it myself. I'll get into you. And then I texted so and so and I said, Dude, and he's like, I just found out. So it was a really weird
15:17Speaker 5super influencer, I'll mention Andrew Huberman because he was all over the place, they all jumped to the conclusion it was the end of the research industry.
15:29Speaker 5right now, and this is where we can take this podcast, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk and any of the giant pharmaceutical manufacturer giants,
15:44Speaker 5do not get in their GLP lane because the way they see it is that they spent literally, let's just admit it, 1000000000 dollars probably each
15:59Speaker 5taking a drug to market is so antiquated and backward at this point. If they don't fix that,
16:04Speaker 5then they're not even going be able to keep up because obviously in the research space with all this biomedical
16:12Speaker 5there's so many amazing chemists making amazing things. You've to fix it. Now, Marty Makary, obviously the head of the FDA, shout out to him,
16:21Speaker 5because he's been making a lot of good comments saying that he knows that the FDA approval process is antiquated and out of sorts and that they need to fix it and they need to get things faster to market.
16:37Speaker 5getting the FDA to make changes is like turning a fucking aircraft carrier in a Class 5 hurricane. Right?
16:59Speaker 5Went public 3 weeks ago on Rogan saying, Hey, we're going to unroll the class II to class I and there's going be a big boom into the peptide space. But I've talked to some very smart people in the regulatory side and they're like, It's not going to happen like he says it is
17:21Speaker 5move in that I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see it roll back for a whole another year.
17:26Speaker 5Know what I'm saying? And so it's like everybody's expecting it all to happen and everybody in the clinical space, which I talk to so many of those people every day,
17:33Speaker 5is like so excited. Oh, it's going to be the greatest thing. Now look, it's actually not going to be the greatest thing for people who rely on peptides from a prescription
17:47Speaker 5price goes parabolic. Yeah, that's what they do. Price is literally going to go parabolic.
17:54Speaker 5well, think about this. Plus, there's and we need to talk about this, but they're also attempting, meaning Lilly,
18:00Speaker 5their lobby, etcetera, even Novo behind it now, and places like HIMSS is all mobbed up with Novo.
18:06Speaker 5They want the compounders to go under. They want them to go under. They're going go after every 503B
18:41Speaker 3what people don't get, man. That's like, dude, man. And I don't know. I think there's a problem with that because I just,
18:57Speaker 4how the life is, that's how life is, how markets are. But they go after those companies, but what about companies like the research companies? So it sounds like you're not too worried about that.
19:23Speaker 5unfortunately there are too many bad actors. Guys already know this. There are literally people
19:40Speaker 5nobody even knows this. I'll share this with you because I don't care. New York Magazine,
20:01Speaker 5and they bought 15 different peptides from 15 different manufacturers and they tested them.
20:17Speaker 5So I think that's actually a good way to spin it for us that it probably is where we're at right now with all these retards, because you guys know we have to talk about the retards.
20:38Speaker 5Right? Mean, nobody their little brother has a peptide company. Listen, how many people have come to you guys and said, Oh, I tried peptides. That shit Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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21:15Speaker 1Shit doesn't work. How many times have you heard that? They're getting fake fucking peptides. Yeah. Right. I
21:28Speaker 3they're like, Oh, I have a friend who wants to buy a, who wants to buy peptides. I think
21:32Speaker 3I looked on the internet and I found something and I'm sold it to him. So I have a peptide company. I'm just going to do this again. Literally.
21:37Speaker 1Mean, you know what I mean? Everybody has a friend, they sold a couple of peptides too, and all of sudden they got a company.
21:45Speaker 5so insane that people like us who've been in this space, know our business, know TRT, know peptides, know everything.
21:57Speaker 5we try to avoid it because it's so toxic, but you go on there and you get now targeted by people talking about peptides.
22:04Speaker 5So every now and then when I go on IG, I listen to some of these people and you guys, my God.
22:10Speaker 5Like the average person talking about peptides on Instagram, and I don't have TikTok because they cancel me. I think, JD, you were the 1 that told me that. I have like 5 impersonator accounts on TikTok. Some of them have like 50,000 followers. Me too, bro. Got a bunch. People send them to me all the time. That's not me. I look like me. But
22:29Speaker 5like you think about like listening to these people talk about peptides and Will, that's exactly what it is. They literally bought peptides from us.
22:36Speaker 5They started using them. They're like, Holy shit, this is amazing. And they're like, How can I get into this business? And then literally 3 months later they're talking on whoever would listen to them, they're a peptide expert. The information is so bad. And you guys know this, AI
23:02Speaker 3in January, I remember when there was some this, you know, a conference and then we had people that some of these guys who are,
23:12Speaker 3every research company is gonna be shut down right now. And I'm- Utterly clueless. They
23:18Speaker 3have no idea what talking about. They have no idea what they're talking about, and that's just not possible. So how can and I agree. I mean, being in this space, I think there should be some regulation because that needs to cut some I mean, there should be some barrier to entry. Is that what you're Like, Jake, from the naked I have the whole thing. So I sent you that article, sent you that article, Peptide of
23:37Speaker 5Thrones, great article. I don't know that woman, but great job, whoever she is. When I read that, I was like, wow,
23:43Speaker 5this woman is either in Jeff Cohen's inner circle or has a pipeline to Jeff because no 1
23:58Speaker 5She's probably at the end of her summary conclusion, let's say it was a huge article, it's like 15,000 words, but at
24:05Speaker 5the very end she made a lot of predictions and she's literally off on 75% of her predictions because I actually know where it's going. We can talk about that.
24:24Speaker 5right after I talked to right, because we need a seat at the table, guys. We gotta have a lobby. We gotta have people that respect what we do because listen, this is what Jeff says and this is what's probably the most important thing I'll say on this entire podcast, and that is
24:46Speaker 5they believe that every research peptide is being made in somebody's basement and doesn't have 3rd party testing, doesn't have batch and lot numbers, etc. And so we have to defeat that
25:00Speaker 5The way we do that is by A) we build a lobby, which American Peptide Association is doing, and then B)
25:10Speaker 5every single legitimate research company will have to go through. Again, I can explain what that means. It's very simple.
25:21Speaker 5You will get a verification from the actual manufacturer, whether it's in China or India.
25:35Speaker 5And then you would also have to test it for heavy metals and endotoxins, which by the way, that's going to be the next part of our business that's going to explode is all those companies are going come out.
25:44Speaker 5And then you'll also end up having, this will be a side play, these companies are coming
25:57Speaker 5They'll test your biological age. So you're going to get all these things where you're going to know what you're deficient in peptide wise. So all that stuff's coming, but if
26:15Speaker 5again, 75 percent of the research companies will go away because we clearly know they can't any do of that. You guys know there's tons of people faking certificates of authenticity.
26:33Speaker 5on a high end resolution thing and then send it to people. And then it's like, I mean, we've done this ourselves. We've literally found people all over the international market. I mean, have literally created biolongevitylabs.uk.
26:58Speaker 5So look, man, all that shit is going to go away. Know, if you ask Jeff, and I was with Jeff yesterday on a 90 minute call, he thinks that it'll be there will be there will be great headway
27:17Speaker 5Okay, dude. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's great, but, you know, to Will's question, you know, is there the possibility
27:54Speaker 5in their world, in the regulatory world, call them non sterile injectables, which you guys and I know that's a scam because of course they're fucking sterile.
28:01Speaker 5But they call them non sterile injectables if they come out of not come out of pharma. So can
28:18Speaker 5depends on how insulated you are as a business. What is your revenue? Like we were talking off air about these groups.
28:25Speaker 5Are you stable? Do you have very low chargebacks? Do you run a legitimate business? Do you have legitimate customer service, etcetera? So I don't think there's any existential threat to the research space other than through that pathway. And look, here's the other thing, and this is very important. We
28:44Speaker 5spoke about this before and I want to think it was when you and I had our podcast in what, September of last year? Yeah, or a year ago.
28:53Speaker 5Jeff, JD, Jeff said this to me when I 1st, I mean, I've known him or of him for a long time, but when we 1st met
29:00Speaker 5and he became my attorney and, you know, a client, etcetera, have attorney client privilege, it was like back in September
29:09Speaker 5And this is what he told me and my partners at BLL. He said, Look, and this is the truth, by the way, he says,
29:26Speaker 5Look at, know, because let's mention some of these guys, because some of these guys are my friends. You know, Sean Dorian, he's got a lot of enemies. He owns Empower. They're the biggest compounder in The United States. I've known Sean literally for 12 years. He's a very close friend of mine.
29:45Speaker 5Lilly, specifically Novo, because again, think about this guy. Think about what they did to these guys. In 2022 and 2023,
30:10Speaker 5And so they all said, Sure, sure, sure. So then they buy all the raw ingredients, they do it all due, they sell it. And then literally 1.5 years later, say, Hey, not only are you not allowed to sell it anymore,
30:21Speaker 5fuck you. We're going to fine you and try to shut you down if you do sell it. So yeah, they sued them
30:35Speaker 5And the great news is, guys, in our defense and their defense obviously, because clearly we want them to succeed,
30:43Speaker 5they're winning at state level. Wow. So Lilly has all the money and they have all the patent attorneys and all the counsel attorneys, but they're losing at the state court level because the courts are like, you guys do not own a monopoly. You cannot just get rid of everybody.
31:12Speaker 5as Jeff says, you can't just get rid of the consumer, the direct to consumer market, again called the RUO, research use only space, because that would be the only alternative
31:23Speaker 5to 5 0 3 compounded medications, which as you guys know, we already talked about it, they're going to go up 5 to 10 times in cost.
31:43Speaker 5Let's explain this to the people watching this. The way the supply chain works inside the compounded space is the 503Bs and 503Cs
31:55Speaker 5And then they sell it to the scripts, know, .co and all the middlemen and stuff like that. Obviously, the telehealth platforms,
32:09Speaker 5And so it's like, imagine if you take away 50% of that market. Now you've shrunk the supply even worse. I mean, imagine the price. It's going to be insane. No 1 will be able to afford it.
32:32Speaker 5of research, in my opinion, this is my opinion, goes away within 18 months because again, there will be some sort of supply chain vetting. There will be manufacturer vetting. And if you don't pass muster, you go under. Yeah. Well, that's like the good companies are doing it right. The good companies are doing it right because they can afford it and they're putting the money up and they're testing them like they should. And it should be that way.
33:07Speaker 5The reason that is, is because the research company, again, the direct to consumer company
33:23Speaker 5I mean, it's insane. That's not happening at the 503B and 503C level. But again, people are so brainwashed because they think, Oh, big pharma,
33:33Speaker 5then it has to be better than the research company. But again- There's still people that think that.
33:52Speaker 5Yeah. But, you know, Jeff talks about this because he defends these people, you know, at the state level all across the country.
33:59Speaker 5And he swears, and he'll he'll say this, you know, he'll put his hand on the Bible and say this. He'll say,
34:18Speaker 5And he's like, whenever there's human involvement or human elements, he's like, you're going to have bad actors
34:24Speaker 5just as you're going to have good actors. And so he's like, there's no difference. He goes, I don't see anything different from the research to the compound space. It just comes down to the owner and how willing is that person to either come clean or not. Exactly. Perfectly said.
34:40Speaker 3because I wanna, I wanna ask you some questions before we run before we run out of time at some point. Med D,
34:49Speaker 31st of all, why would that owner say that? I mean, isn't he gonna catch some criminal charges now?
35:41Speaker 5to both the FDA and the federal government. He's already wrote a long letter because I actually read the letter on Twitter like 2 days ago, but he's also been he's basically said, Hey, look, I'm completely
35:50Speaker 5innocent of this. I had no idea that this was happening. He's definitely going to get a huge fine because he's 1000000000 dollar company,
36:09Speaker 5because if he did it or they did it for him, how many other people are doing this in our space right now? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that makes more sense. That makes more sense.
36:19Speaker 5Yeah, when I 1st read it, I was like, holy shit. And then I saw his letter like 3 days later and I was like, okay, this makes more sense. But it didn't make sense because I was following that guy's story because I'm in this mastermind
36:31Speaker 5of people in the longevity space and we were following the story for the last year. So when I 1st read that I was like, That guy's not that dumb. I've heard him talk before.
36:39Speaker 5So again, he's taken advantage of. But you guys know this, even for us in our businesses, what's
36:45Speaker 5to stop an affiliate from going out there and doing crazy shit that we don't know about?
36:50Speaker 1Absolutely. Not a question about that because we don't use affiliates for that reason. A few, but like, so you sound like you do quite a bit.
37:00Speaker 5does that work out well for you? How many do you have, if you don't mind me asking? You don't need to know that, but we chose not to do affiliates. I'm happy to talk about works very well. It works very well. We don't have, I don't know what our current, you know, how many people are in our affiliate network. I mean, it's definitely the Perito principle. You know, 20% does 80% of the business. Yeah, typical.
37:39Speaker 5and so many high wealth or high income affluent people in the international communities who had no recourse.
37:47Speaker 5Think about all the people that want to buy shit from us in the international market and we can't even get it through customs.
38:08Speaker 5week from Wednesday, this coming Wednesday, I'm flying to Corfu, Greece to do like a mastermind for like, you know, there's not a single person in that room probably less worth less than $100,000,000 to talk about peptides. So, you know, there's going to be conversations around probably that kind of stuff happening. But it's
38:32Speaker 5it's just very difficult to get peptides outside of The United States. I mean, are people still shipping them into Canada, but as you know, if you ship anything to Canada, that's a coin flip too. They can seize it and never give it back. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes. That is true. So the to end the
38:48Speaker 3the research use only talk real quick. So it's your lawyer, Cohen, that is he's starting that
38:55Speaker 5Yeah. It's already available. You guys should actually join. The union. Highly recommend you guys join. Paul back to you guys
39:06Speaker 5in our space should join that because it's not just, it's not just direct to consumer,
39:15Speaker 5It's people that actually have a fucking clue, which is very few of us. And so I highly recommend, I'll connect you guys with Autumn
39:23Speaker 5who really runs it and say, Hey man, these guys are my good friends. They have a research company. They want to get involved. Yeah, because honestly that's the only chance
39:40Speaker 3I guess big pharma can really shut down the direct to consumers is financially, is through the banks
39:48Speaker 3The people are saying the Department of Justice is coming after you. Department of Well, Justice I mean,
40:01Speaker 5SARMs, stupid shit that you shouldn't be selling, then they can always come out to you in that way, but that's because you're breaking some sort of estate
40:11Speaker 5the easiest way to not get in trouble is to separate everything, to make sure that you follow the rules of direct to consumer. You can't have people messaging you and then asking you how to dose your products or
40:24Speaker 5how to cycle a product or anything like that. Everything has to be like, hey, we're a research use only company. We can't tell you how to use it. We sell it for research purposes only.
40:32Speaker 5So there's a little bit of a, I wouldn't call it a game, but you really do have to understand what you're doing being in the space.
40:38Speaker 5But I mean, yeah, unless you're a bad actor and you're breaking the law or really doing something criminal,
40:44Speaker 3it doesn't look like it other than what you said financially. Yeah. That's awesome, man. So curious, can you tell us, you're ahead on everything, right?
40:59Speaker 5that you've Yeah, used there's lot of stuff. What do you got in there? There's actually a lot of stuff. Hold on, let me get my book real quick.
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43:12Speaker 5what are you talking about? Right. And he then sends me back a link to all of his drug patents. And I'm like, What
43:21Speaker 5I sent to the partners, I was like, I think we need to have a call with this guy. So we did.
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43:40Speaker 5dude doesn't need money. He's completely set. He's 75 years old, but he wants to help. He's like,
43:52Speaker 5album and binding constructs, so it's like the longest 0.5 life of any drug ever designed. And he goes, It changes the game for pretty much everything. He's like, Yeah, but this is just him on a Zoom call with us, he's in Thailand.
44:04Speaker 5You know, he's just a white dude. He's American, but he lives in Thailand. Now he's 75. He's got a daughter. Absolutely
44:14Speaker 5I'm gonna fly over. I'm gonna meet with you guys. He's like, I'm gonna bring you FLGR-two
44:21Speaker 5and I'm gonna bring you guys Clotho. Now we knew what Clotho was because obviously a lot of the longevity doctors are talking about it. They spent billions of dollars of research. They're down in the economic free zone off the coast of Honduras. They've been selling fucking
44:36Speaker 5for like 5 or 6 years. But anybody who's ever gone down there that and I know a lot of people that have, not myself, but other people, they all told me I didn't notice shit and I got nothing.
44:44Speaker 5So, you know, the clonidine thing was already known, but the recombinant ballostat was a totally separate molecule.
45:04Speaker 5There's all these different modified versions of follistatin, but the problem with all of them was twofold. Number 1, very short 0.5 life.
45:11Speaker 5So you have to inject yourself like fucking 3 or 4 times. And you gotta do it right before you train, after you train, etcetera. And then the other thing was
45:20Speaker 5it binds to actin, so it can increase the size of the heart, increase the size of internal organs, well up your prostate,
45:28Speaker 5blah, blah, blah. So it's a shit drug and it always was a shit drug. Obviously some pro bodybuilders would use it because size was everything and they wanted to increase like shoulder
45:41Speaker 5nobody ever understood how to do what Mike did to it. And so what Mike did to it is he took a it's actually the 3 18 version of it, think. Correct me, I'm pretty sure it's a 3 18 version of it. But anyway, he changed
45:55Speaker 5the binding construct so that it's a 19 day 0.5 life. So you can basically take a very low dose of it. And I sent JD some pictures of this up
46:15Speaker 5in Southern California and I think he took 1st place in his division, 2nd place overall in the whole show. He's definitely a guy that's going to compete for the Physique Olympiad. He's got an insane physique. And he started taking it in February
46:28Speaker 5He was on it for 2 months and he sent me his pictures earlier this week and he's like, Bro,
46:41Speaker 5who knows how to diet, who knows how to eat, knows how to do everything right. We have thousands
46:49Speaker 5Dick, Sam, Harry people who are sending us their testimonials and their before and afters, and it's literally insane.
46:58Speaker 5without a doubt 1000000000 dollar drug, perhaps even bigger, because we have people in the cattle industry
47:04Speaker 5that want to purchase access to the patent to beef up their cattle. I mean, think about it. You want to beef up your cattle, you're going make a fucking lot more money. So there's all these different ways that you can probably use that molecule.
47:19Speaker 5and again, I mean a male or female who's not a competitor, who just want to live longer, leaner, stronger, take off their shirt or bikini in public and look better. It's amazing.
47:33Speaker 5and obviously it's anabolic depending on how much food you eat. If take it and you don't eat a lot of food,
47:44Speaker 5you're going to put on serious size. And dude, we've got people that have put on bodybuilders,
47:50Speaker 5but I've seen bodybuilders put on about 24 pounds in literally 3 months. And legit muscle DEXA scans, pre novos, the whole thing. And then tons of people that have done internal
48:02Speaker 5no heart enlargement, no internal organ growth, nothing. Honestly, I've been using it myself
48:21Speaker 5every other day. And I'm the biggest and leanest I've ever been. I'm literally, walk around now at like 2 19 and I always walked around at like 2 0 9. Wow. So I've gotten much bigger from it and I haven't changed anything else. I mean, obviously I'm always on TRT,
48:35Speaker 5but I've just gotten bigger. And when people see me now, like in the gym or in street clothes, they're like, Dude, what the fuck happened to you? So I've
48:43Speaker 5gained definitely a solid 7 to 9 pounds of muscle and I've also just got, I mean, I'm just as lean, if not leaner. I mean, I haven't measured my body fat, but I've gotten my labs done twice
49:10Speaker 5So all you have to do with clotho is you have to just take it once every 2 weeks. That's all it is. It's just a very low, it's basically 10 micrograms,
49:27Speaker 5very slight increase of 10 every 2 weeks, you will be in a zone where you will lower your biological age.
49:46Speaker 5Like if you're in your 40s, 50s or 60s and you start taking Clotho, you're going to have a much better sex drive. You're going to have much better sensitivity, better erections. Women get wetter faster.
49:56Speaker 5But like I think the older people that have been taking it, they all tell me amazing stories of better vision,
50:13Speaker 5that it is involved in that just by taking a micro dose of Clotho, you're going to improve your biological age. You're to be younger
50:24Speaker 5My wife and I have been taking that product since we 1st got it literally in July of last year,
50:30Speaker 5and I can't see myself ever going off of it. It's just such a game changer. Oh really? You're taking it per Hey, can I ask you, well, 1st of all, your book, actually when
50:39Speaker 3we were watching your videos with you and Hunter about 5 years, 6 years before that, I had read your book, Definitive
50:49Speaker 3Guide to TRT, to Mail TRT or something like that, right? Is that true? Close to the title? TRT manual. Yep, so So I gotta say that, yeah, that was a long, long time ago, man. That was a long time ago. So I've known you
51:00Speaker 3and read some, read your books for a while. Thank you, man. Godfather of TRT, man. That GHRP- Nobody wants no kid today even read, so they're never gonna read any of those books. You are right about that. It's unfortunate.
51:19Speaker 3read really. That's kind of where I get my information. I appreciate the actual books, man. I didn't know there was that much to say about GLP-1s,
51:26Speaker 5so I'll take a look at that book. Yeah. Hell yeah. Awesome. Well, I mean, I'll send you guys, I'll send you guys a copy. I have no problem sending you guys a copy and I'll send you guys a PDF of it right now. Cause you're not, you know, you don't want to carry it around. I mean, I'm not joking. It literally weighs probably like 18 pounds. Oh yeah, man. That's awesome. Awesome.
51:42Speaker 3So question, I guess here's a question for you. You are a bit you are busy. You have your hand in well, you're doing a lot of things. Is there any companies or
51:59Speaker 3And well, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. And then what's your favorite thing that you do? Like you speak, you write books, you have, you run these companies, I guess. What do you, what do you really like doing of all of that? Or what parts of it? What do you dislike? What is the stuff that you hate doing? No, man. You don't have to disclose that. So actually, no, no, I will. I'm open book. I am involved in building something that's going to change the world a 100%.
52:24Speaker 3That's why I sent you guys that article. So there's a lot of clues inside that article. If you guys read that article, it will definitely take you 20 minutes to read it, but it's so weird that really You already wrote it? Okay, awesome. It really separates everything.
52:48Speaker 5and you know, we're building it right now. And you know, 1st, because you guys know this, like in order, it's so sad in the corporate world these days, but like to build something lasting, you have to really handle the legal regulatory spot 1st. Boy. You
53:10Speaker 5Man. So we're building that 1st and that's like what's encompassing a lot of our time. In fact, I actually have
53:21Speaker 5where these folks are coming into Tampa and we're literally going to be in a boardroom all Tuesday, all Wednesday, and all Thursday to
53:36Speaker 5the world because like I said, like, you know, I want people and you guys do too. We all do. The good actors all want this. We want people to be safe.
53:50Speaker 5that they know that what they're getting is 100% label claim. And right now that's unfortunately not the situation. And as
54:01Speaker 5probably the last 5 months, the book came out in early February or middle February, excuse me, but in the last 5 months I've been talking about it is the
54:18Speaker 5And the reason that that is, is because there's 0 education in the space. The difference between us and them is that we know how to use them.
54:30Speaker 5with them. We know how to eat with them. We know how to train with them. We know how to get the right sleep with them. We know how to do everything else. Whereas all those people get none of that. They're not hormonally optimized.
54:42Speaker 5The doctor doesn't tell them what to do. They don't know they need to eat more protein. They don't know they need to lift weights. And then on top of that, a lot of them won't do it anyway because they're fucking lazy. Was going say that. Yeah,
54:54Speaker 1the biggest problem. They think it's an easy button. They were like, Oh, I don't have to do any of this. But again, it's not because,
55:03Speaker 5because they're not being told. The doctors don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo care about making 1000000000000 dollars a year.
55:14Speaker 5They don't care about people getting healthier. They're not gonna teach people to microdose GLPs.
55:19Speaker 4Know, mean, think about potential doctors. They don't give a shit. Standard No face. Dosage
55:31Speaker 5And then they take them to 9 and 12. Can you imagine if a healthy person took 6 mg of Retrutide, what would they do?
55:58Speaker 5to educate people. Hell yeah. That's literally our job. It's not, there's nothing else. Like there's so many options. If they're going to go out there and buy fucking $49.99
56:11Speaker 5But we can at least educate them on how to do this shit right. And look, man, like you listen to that asshole Trevor Bachmeier, mean, guy's a fucking retard.
56:27Speaker 5or for clickbait or engagement farming or whatever it is. I mean, you guys ever look at his actual views? He's got like 1,700,000
56:47Speaker 5who do watch it and then they come to us and they're like, Why is this guy saying this? Like, Hey, is this true? And you're like, No, it's not true. But
56:55Speaker 5I mean, it's like he says things to get a rise out of people. So the fact that I even mentioned him on this podcast has probably given him too much credit, but I'm just,
57:04Speaker 5honestly, I'm just over the fact that there are so many complete buffoons on social media talking about these products and confusing people because that's what's happening is they're just confusing the people that don't understand it like we do.
57:31Speaker 3I don't know. What's your take on a lot of those? Well, give me just some standouts, some general kind of opinions on don't what you
57:43Speaker 5Yeah, I mean, I noticed like, how do I say it? Like if I take 6 mg, you got to take a high dose. If I take 6 mg of cerebrolysin
58:00Speaker 5I feel like a little bit more calm. That's 1 of the things it really does is it kind of calms me. I think it
58:06Speaker 5really relaxes GABA pathways in the body. So I think that's what it does, but it's also 1 of those peptides where like you can't take too much because your body will be overstimulated with those pathways that it works on. So you can only really do it like a month at a time. And I think the correct dosages like every other day or 3 days a week. And then really, like I said, for maybe 4 weeks and then go off of it for 4 to 6 weeks again after that. I feel nothing on Selank. I feel nothing on
58:48Speaker 5J-one hundred 47, and that's like a stage 2 Alzheimer drug right now that really is doing lot
59:02Speaker 5Might be able to take it a couple days a week and then after that I gotta go off of it because it
59:07Speaker 3loses the effect. So I'm not a really good guy to ask about nootropics because I've never really needed nootropics, but the ones that I take, I just don't feel much, but I really do like Cerebrolysin if you can get it. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I've, well, as me, you may or may not know, JD and I both have been sober and so are sober and have been for years for a reason because we like to, we have had some struggles with like real drugs in the past and I'm just not very sensitive to a lot of those things.
59:36Speaker 3So, you know, and obviously I hear different things, but yeah, I'm a tough 1 too. My answer is kind of similar to yours. I got a question. It's hard to feel.
59:50Speaker 1If you could choose 1 and that's the only thing, the only peptide you could take the rest of your life, what would it be?
1:00:11Speaker 5whatever comes from that, right? Because I talk about in the book, like the stage 4 and the stage 5 agonists are in the pipeline, right? Like the stage what 4 that look like? Yeah, so
1:00:20Speaker 5the stage 4 agonist is just myostatin inhibition. So we have it now, You can use FLGR
1:00:26Speaker 5and take rototrutide and you have a stage 4. It's as simple as that, right? But there'll be obviously ones coming that'll be a
1:00:34Speaker 5And then the stage 5 supposedly is going to like increase brown adiopose tissue formation in your upper back. So it'll
1:00:43Speaker 5Wow. You know, your metabolic rate will just increase from just sitting there and walking around. Geez.
1:00:51Speaker 5Oh yeah, it'll be safe. I mean, you can take right now, like we just launched, I mean, well, actually we didn't launch. I launched it into my body 4 days ago, but BAM-fifteen.
1:01:07Speaker 5but everybody underdoses it because again, it's another example of people not misinterpreting
1:01:15Speaker 5But you have to take at least 500 to 600 mg a day of BAM-fifteen or you're not going to feel shit. So
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1:02:02Speaker 5I've been taking 3 caps a day. I've been taking low dose, again, the recommended dose.
1:02:07Speaker 5And so far, I haven't really noticed anything. It's not increasing my body temperature or anything like that. Mean, again, it's nothing like DMP,
1:02:13Speaker 5but it works in similar mechanisms to DMP. So I'll be interested to see, I mean, chief science officer swears that if I take it for a month, notice fat loss. But again,
1:02:26Speaker 5you be on it for a long time because it's an uncoupler and uncouplers are doing bad things in the body. So you got to take a lot of antioxidants.
1:02:38Speaker 5what's the other thing? Urolithin A, things like that to really make sure that you're repleting things that are being depleted.
1:02:46Speaker 5But I think my answer is probably twofold. I think it's probably going to be Melanotan-one
1:02:52Speaker 5because I love the consciousness enhancement. I love getting into stillness. It really helps me meditate and do stuff in the morning when I really wanna be reflective or contemplative or introspective.
1:03:20Speaker 5Oral SLU-3P is an amazing product. Absolutely amazing caps. I think they sell 100 mg.
1:03:29Speaker 5making high dose now, but we were the 1st company to make high dose. And I took the low dose product
1:03:43Speaker 5low dose SLU-twenty 24 and I was literally taking like 200 micrograms a day and so was my wife and we both got leaner. Mean, we actually did a photo shoot
1:03:59Speaker 5I didn't even diet. It was crazy. Now granted, I was still using a microdose of Retta, but both of us got really good results from that. And then the Gorilla Chemist came to me and was like, Dude,
1:04:09Speaker 5this is all wrong. We got to do higher doses of the SLU-3. And I was like, What? And so then I read the research and I was like, Holy fuck.
1:04:38Speaker 5But there's only Listen, there's definitely a negative, a very negative thing. It's not negative from a health standpoint. If you take high dose SLU-four
1:04:56Speaker 5producer that you are going to be eating everything in your fucking house. Mean, just
1:05:05Speaker 5up appetite and just again your need for glycogen and carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates. So it's not really, in my opinion, it's not really a drug you want to take around if you want to be shredded or you're dieting for a show or something like that. But if you need to gain size,
1:05:19Speaker 5fuck dude, testosterone and 800 mg of SLU-4like 8 weeks in a row is definitely going to put size on you because you're going get Wow, like
1:05:45Speaker 5on and off. And I do think that if you're taking a high dose sleep cycle you shouldn't go any longer than 6 to 8 weeks. I think you should and then you should stay off of it for that long. Look, you could actually run
1:05:57Speaker 5SLU-3P at high dose for 6 to 8 weeks. And by the way, for women high dose is 200 mg. My wife, if she takes any more than 200 mg, she gets the runs. And again, that makes sense, right? Because it's really, really amping your AMPK cycle in the body.
1:06:12Speaker 5And so it's going to just massively stimulate metabolic uplift or whatever you want call it, And
1:06:17Speaker 5so you're going to get runs, especially as a woman, a small woman. My wife's tiny. She's five'five, like 127
1:06:52Speaker 5you know, guys are going to be able to run ANNOVAR and Primo for much cheaper than you. Do
1:07:06Speaker 1Because it sounds like it's kind of approaching it in some forms, but do you ever think it's gonna
1:07:19Speaker 5right now, which is again, the recombinant folestatin to somebody who's never touched testosterone,
1:07:24Speaker 5so obviously none of us qualify. Yeah. It's pretty fucking insane. Wow. Like, that's interesting. Like there's a guy I wish I had his pictures right now. I'd share the screen and show them to you guys, but there's
1:07:44Speaker 5He started with 2.5 mg in the 1st 4 weeks and then he went to 5 mg the 2nd 4 weeks and he literally looks like a guy who's on tests.
1:08:07Speaker 5think that you'll be able to use that. Now obviously I'm never gonna speak against testosterone because remember, we want testosterone for the brain effects. Yeah, We
1:08:21Speaker 5you know, neural pathways and stuff. That's why we went tests. So I don't think there's ever going to be a replacement for that, but I definitely think,
1:08:28Speaker 5and I was talking to Brian, know, the gorilla chemist about this the other day, I really do think that anabolics that put a lot of risk are
1:08:35Speaker 5you know, vascular profile and our lipid profile and our liver profile. I think that those will be replaced. Really do think this Anabar,
1:08:42Speaker 3I think Anabar, Primo, and Winstraw will have no place in a person who's truly looking to be healthy long term. That's right. Awesome. Yeah. You know what I always say, I've always said like, God, I wish I could do more testosterone without getting any bigger.
1:09:02Speaker 5Yeah dude. And the other thing too is I think as you get older, you guys know this, there's
1:09:11Speaker 5definitely a level of testosterone that you can take where you don't have prostate issues. Because
1:09:17Speaker 5your prostate grows naturally no matter what. So guys are on androgens or low doses, surgically precise clinical doses of tests,
1:09:26Speaker 5probably going to have a little bit more hypertrophy. It's not negative in causing cancer, but it will increase the size. So it just means you're going to piss once or twice a night.
1:09:39Speaker 5It's not the best. You want to sleep at least 6 hours straight or hopefully if you can, 5 hours straight. So
1:09:45Speaker 4what's your antidote to that? Is there a way to fix that? Just deal with it. So put it this way,
1:09:52Speaker 5I mean, that's something I've been working on for literally 4 years. I've looked at so many herbs. Mean, seriously, I've looked at so many herbs. I've looked at so many adaptogens.
1:10:06Speaker 5shrink the increasing size of the prostate as you get older, but right now There's there's really nothing
1:10:14Speaker 5roots in Africa, but nobody's made it into an elixir or even a capsule yet. It's too expensive.
1:10:20Speaker 5So I hold out hope that eventually there will be something, because I think right now that's probably the biggest issue for most men over the age of 55 is like BPH,
1:10:29Speaker 5know, having to piss twice a night. And I know guys on testosterone are always in that crowd. I'm 1 of them. I mean, I definitely, if I can sleep, if I don't drink any water or drink a protein shake, you know, before, or I'm sorry, I should say after 8PM,
1:10:50Speaker 5you know, or if I'm drinking like, God knows when you're on SLU-3.5, it massively increases your electrolyte consumption. I mean, I'm waking up twice. I'm
1:11:09Speaker 3getting low in time, but is there any upcoming events? We talked about this recently. Any upcoming
1:11:16Speaker 3that you're excited about or what's the newest, what's the next 1? Are you gonna go to the 1 in Peru that I saw, I've been seeing advertised? Didn't know there was 1 Peru. I didn't know there was 1 in Peru, but I can definitely tell you guys that we are doing Peptidepalooza.
1:11:31Speaker 5Nice. I want to say either the 3rd or 4th weekend of February next year, it's going be really big. You guys will start seeing ads for it and stuff. It's
1:11:45Speaker 5putting it together. So if you guys want to be involved in that, I'll reach out to you and let you know. But I mean, we really want to make it big. Want something
1:11:52Speaker 5the opposite of like fucking the seeds bullshit that we went to last year, which is, you know, a fucking joke.
1:11:57Speaker 1Dude. Were imagining- What an absolute joke. Hey, man, anywhere we can help with any of what we've talked about,
1:12:14Speaker 5Mean, you guys, did you guys want to talk a little bit about testosterone? I know JD said he wanted to talk a little bit about it. I mean, I'm happy to, if you guys want to. Sure. I mean, we can always talk about that. We have a lot of doctors that come on and are you, what are your thoughts on AIs?
1:12:40Speaker 5and obviously I learned this from really, really smart doctors that understand the importance of estrogen, healthy levels of estrogen. The
1:12:48Speaker 5truth about AIs is that, and this is what you really have to look at them, is that they're literally stage 3 and stage 4 women's breast cancer. Right. That's where they were developed.
1:13:08Speaker 5cancerous buildup in a woman's breast tissue. So when you give them to men to suppress estrogen for men who are on therapeutic testosterone,
1:13:16Speaker 5only bad things happen, right? And they really are cell toxins. I've written many, many articles on my books about AIs.
1:13:22Speaker 5By the way, when I wrote the book, the book you read and then the follow-up, which is the TOT Bible,
1:13:29Speaker 5I didn't have the information then that I have now about AIs. And so we really didn't understand it. So in the very early part of using
1:13:36Speaker 5testosterone, we thought you wanted to block estrogen. Yeah, of course. And obviously we learned that that's the worst thing you could possibly do. But here's the truth. Like when
1:13:47Speaker 5because men are complaining of high estrogen symptoms, they don't have high estrogen symptoms. There's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms. What they have is insulin resistance.
1:13:57Speaker 5And men with belly fat, men that drink too much alcohol, men that consume lots of sugar based drinks,
1:14:08Speaker 5that's creating what their doctor and of course they think are high estrogen symptoms, which are again, mood imbalance or alteration,
1:14:20Speaker 5here in the waist. I mean, all of those things are due to insulin resistance and it's
1:14:29Speaker 5A lot of bodybuilders like pros, and I had this conversation with Ben Pakolski when we did our Landmark podcast back in 2019, I think it was 2018 actually,
1:14:38Speaker 5that really was like the biggest testosterone podcast ever. It had like 1000000 views
1:14:43Speaker 5on YouTube. I think it still does or is over it, I guess, now. But Ben and I went really deep and Ben said, Look, man, he goes, I always knew when I was competing
1:15:00Speaker 5It was the only way that he could take it. He was taking aromasin, but he said it literally felt like its head was in a vice
1:15:06Speaker 5when he was on it. And so he knew that it was He just knew it. He's very sensitive. Obviously, he's a very spiritually connected guy too. And so he just was like, will never take that. And so when I told him, because he didn't know the level of I knew about the science of it, it all made sense to him.
1:15:22Speaker 5And that's when he was like, Fuck man. He's like, You really got to get this information out because there's too many guys that are bodybuilders that are taking this and they think it's great because they're on 2 g of tests a week and blah blah blah. But look man, the studies are out there.
1:15:36Speaker 5If you take a high dose of an AI as a testosterone using man, not a bodybuilder, not a competitor, just a
1:16:01Speaker 5There is nothing good about them. It's the same thing as DHT inhibitors. Same pathways,
1:16:13Speaker 5PFS, and it's the worst thing ever. They kill themselves. They literally kill themselves. And that's like a genetic component. There are some people that have horrible results for taking a DHT inhibitor and other guys can take high dosages of them and never even had a side effect, but they're still
1:16:31Speaker 5And that's the problem with these things. When I wrote these articles back in 2020, I think it was 2021 about DHT inhibitors and AIs,
1:16:41Speaker 5So you're getting some sort of a blockage for whatever it is you're looking for, whether it's follicular
1:16:50Speaker 5or lack of water retention because obviously AIs do take water retention away or maybe even remove the itchy sensation at your nipples.
1:17:07Speaker 1where that gland is starting to grow, they're getting zits on their chest or their back,
1:17:27Speaker 5doesn't mean they have the gyno gene or they don't have the gyno situation because the sensitivity is
1:17:34Speaker 5if it's itching but not pronounced, and the reason that I know this is because I have the
1:17:40Speaker 5gene and I had the tissues removed. Yeah, me too. Right? So I had 2 separate surgeries in my life.
1:17:46Speaker 5I interviewed way back when, even after I wrote the 1st book, Doctor. Joseph Cruz, who's out by you guys. The guy completely went insane, but he was the world's top
1:18:01Speaker 5Him and I became friends. But anyway, he went off the deep end. I think he had like a pain addiction,
1:18:06Speaker 5addiction. So I think he dropped out of society. But he was the top gyno surgeon in the world and, you know, him and I got into detailed conversations. But when he was performing gyno surgery
1:18:32Speaker 5percent of all men have gyno gene. Oh wow. Now does that actually mean it doesn't mean that you're ever going to get gyno, but if you obviously take testosterone or anabolic steroids or get really fat,
1:18:46Speaker 5meaning the glandular expression happens is very high. And there's no solution except
1:18:58Speaker 5or any AI. Those are just temporary band aids. They mediate the symptoms, but they absolutely
1:19:05Speaker 5do not solve the issue. And so as you know, a lot of bodybuilders, a lot of guys are ashamed of their gyno and so they take shit to suppress it, but they're not fixing it. So I always tell people, man, look, dude, if you got
1:19:18Speaker 5the gyno gene and you have gyno, just get it cut out. Hell yeah, man. Best decision I ever made, dude. Of course, bro. I mean, 100%.
1:19:25Speaker 5Yeah, cause you're, you're walking around and you're embarrassed to take your shirt off. Sucked dude. Yeah, exactly. And it burns. As you know, it burns your kids come up and hug you and you're like, fuck.
1:19:37Speaker 5with testosterone? What's your current view? What do you think? I So, think HCG is great, but here's the thing, if you don't want kids, you don't need it. You don't need it at all.
1:19:54Speaker 5Ahead and inject HCG. But I've always said this, and again, learned from really smart doctors who mentored me,
1:20:04Speaker 5pulses if you're giving yourself HCG a test. Now look, if you're a young guy and you want kids, you have no option.
1:20:17Speaker 5when you get older like us and we're done having kids, you don't need HCG at all. Absolutely not.
1:20:26Speaker 5And I think, and I've always said this, for guys like us, they're doing cardio and shit, like big, hangy, fleshy, sacky balls is fucking ridiculous. That's how you get injured. You ride a bike.
1:20:43Speaker 5People will be like, Oh, but my wife loves my fluffy balls. I'm like, Dude, your wife just got your dick.
1:20:49Speaker 5She doesn't give a fuck about your balls. She'll let them tell you care about your balls.
1:20:55Speaker 1Jake Campbell, we love you dude. It's you never disappoint, man. We gotta get you to like, if you're in Cali, man, let's get you live. I'll
1:21:03Speaker 5definitely come down there and sit down with you guys. Be awesome. We'll top it up. Will, honestly, I'll be there.
1:21:08Speaker 5I'll probably be there in June for sure. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Stop by man. Let's know about the
1:21:37Speaker 5I want, I only want people like us, right? I don't want any fucking retards. Retards You
1:21:45Speaker 5that will be newbies and stuff, but that's cool. We want them getting good information. But you know, my goal with this is
1:22:14Speaker 5I think the way we're going do it, and again, it's still being worked out, but we're going to have 1 main room
1:22:30Speaker 5where to inject, all that kind of stuff. So real hands on shit that you can get away with in Mexico.
1:22:35Speaker 5And then obviously every night we'll have like a dinner and I think pretty sure it's gonna be Thursday and Friday on Saturday night
1:22:42Speaker 5for people that stay for the weekend, because I'm sure most people will. We'll probably have like a giant fucking DJ
1:22:50Speaker 5Love it. Sounds awesome. So, well, cool man. Do you wanna leave where anybody can find you? I believe most people probably know, but where's the easiest place to find you? Yeah, man, for sure. Appreciate you guys asking. So on social, when I'm not shadow banned, you know, I don't even give my IG account anymore. I do have a backup account. It's jcampbell1971,
1:23:25Speaker 5and LinkedIn, but I mean, again, you can't find me. It's insane how suppressed I am there. Obviously
1:23:52Speaker 5Smart people that still read, that's where they find me because all the articles are there and they're all for free. So again, it's just jacampbell.com
1:23:59Speaker 5there is a domain for people to get all my books for free. It's jcampbell.com/freeinfo.
1:24:14Speaker 5Book 10, I didn't tell you guys about that, is coming out this year. And it's actually being ghostwritten by,
1:24:21Speaker 5I guess I can let the cat out of the bag, it's being ghostwritten by the number 1 ghostwriter in the world.
1:24:26Speaker 5So he's the guy that writes books for like all these celebrities, you know, the Tony Robbins of the world and stuff like that. So
1:24:32Speaker 5I have no idea what he's writing. It's kind of like a gag. 1 of my partners was like, I want to do this for you because I want to see what they put out compared to what you put out. That's
1:24:42Speaker 5hilarious. I know they're to write about Clotho and Follistatin, and then they're going to write about like our lifestyle, you know, like what type
1:24:52Speaker 5And so I think they're going to come from that angle and then they're going to just talk about me, but honestly, it's it's being completely written without any of my influence. Oh wow. That's interesting. So I have no idea. I mean, I get to see the final transcript or manuscript at the very end and I can kind of say, you can't do that. You'll know what mean. I
1:25:11Speaker 5I'm sure it'll be like a roast. It'll probably be like some sort of a roast. But I mean, they definitely are definitely trying to
1:25:41Speaker 5Well, I mean, obviously there's 3 different receptors with the triple agonist, but each
1:25:47Speaker 5binds somewhere between 7 and 15 times harder than retreutide. So you literally, you ready for this? You can take 50
1:25:58Speaker 5and get better appetite suppression, insulin signaling and nutrient partitioning than Retrutide right now. Holy shit. Damn. It'll be much cheaper and
1:26:09Speaker 5But we definitely don't know the dosing strategies yet because it's such a new product, but he is using it with a bunch of women overseas and he's seeing insane results. By the way, no nausea,
1:26:19Speaker 5no side effects. It's just so small. It takes literally like 12 days to feel anything,
1:26:24Speaker 5but you just take a tiny, tiny amount and maybe he thinks like 2 injections a month. Wow. That's amazing. That's right. That's amazing. You better protect that from
1:26:37Speaker 5a beast with IP. He doesn't let anybody go after it and stuff. So we'll see. But my hope is they want to sell it. They want to start selling it in May, but I'm like, guys, we don't have enough data.
1:26:50Speaker 5Good for you. So anyway, that's coming. That'll be the next product in his 3 products, but I'm pretty sure that Ghostwriter is going to write about that product too, because I think they want this book to come out in September.
1:26:59Speaker 1Oh, that's cool, man. Good stuff. It means you've made it, man. Well, it was a blast, man. We'll do it again soon and give us contact information. We'll jump on board with you, man. It's
1:27:10Speaker 5been a pleasure, my friend. You guys, man, I love you both, man. It was an honor and I'm, you know, JD, whenever you need me, dude, I'm there and hopefully I'll see you in by June. 0 All right, brother. Pleasure to meet you. He'll actually speak to you in person. Well, kind of virtually.
1:27:22Speaker 1All right. All right. You got it, my man. Alright, guys. We'll catch you next time. You guys take care.