Peptide of the Week: The Truth About GLPs and What’s Coming Next with JAY CAMPBELL Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-of-the-week-the-truth-about-glps-and-what-s-coming-next-with-jay-campbel/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:00 Speaker 0: USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day, like superheroes and sidekicks or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. 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We call him the godfather of TRT and 1:14 Speaker 2: peptides and everything, all the above. He's a he knows a lot about a lot. So, 1:19 Speaker 2: infamous Jay Campbell, 1:21 Speaker 2: we are excited to talk to you. We're fans, 1:25 Speaker 2: big fans. I had told you this, but I wanted to quickly start on this story when Will and I started our company, small little dinky company and 1:33 Speaker 2: labeling our own stuff and just starting off, we always had Jake Campbell listening over the speakers. 1:40 Speaker 0: So 1:41 Speaker 2: it's a treat to have you on today, brother. 1:44 Speaker 2: Was cool to run into you in Vegas and friendship spawned. 1:47 Speaker 0: That's what life's about, baby. A lot attraction. So 1st off, thank you guys for having me, Will. It's nice to meet you virtually. 1:53 Speaker 0: I'm sure when we meet in person, we'll really chop it up and break bread together, but it's an honor. 2:01 Speaker 0: Honestly, 2:03 Speaker 0: I'm waiting for you to message me because I know through the And 1 podcast people, 2:07 Speaker 0: they had messaged me a couple months ago and said, hey, he wanted to do a podcast. And, you know, they're just doing what they do. They don't know that you and I know each other. And I wrote them back and I was like, dude, I'll go on JD's podcast whenever. I block 0.5 these people because it's like, no. But, I haven't had a chance to speak 2:23 Speaker 0: at a level with people that understand the industry like you 2 guys yet with anyone. 2:27 Speaker 0: And obviously, 2:29 Speaker 0: like you guys, I work inside the research space. I mean, my lawyer doesn't even like me saying that anymore. He likes to say the direct to consumer space because that's what it is, and we'll talk about that on this podcast. But 2:39 Speaker 0: I've got a lot to share. As I told you guys yesterday in a message, there's some things I can't share for 2:45 Speaker 0: safety of my family, 2:46 Speaker 0: but there definitely 2:48 Speaker 0: is a lot of stuff that I wanna put into the ether because there's so many fucking retards and 2:55 Speaker 0: every person, almost every person on the internet with an opinion 3:00 Speaker 0: about 3:01 Speaker 0: the peptide market, the direct to consumer market, 3:04 Speaker 0: the compounded market, the GLP market, the pharma market. They all do not have 3:10 Speaker 0: really a shred of a clue of what they're talking about. And that goes for Andrew Huberman. 3:15 Speaker 0: You know, that goes for all these people. I mean, I can name other big name influencers. They literally do not have a clue of what is going on. 3:24 Speaker 0: And the reason that I do very honestly is because I pay the top attorney in the world 3:30 Speaker 0: for consulting. 3:31 Speaker 0: And you know, this guy, I'll just tell you guys straight up right now, it's Jeff Cohen. 3:36 Speaker 0: And Jeff Cohen 3:37 Speaker 2: in 3:39 Speaker 0: told November of last year that Peptide Sciences was going down. November, 3:43 Speaker 0: he told 3:45 Speaker 0: So we knew what was coming. We did not know how it was going to go down or why. 3:50 Speaker 0: Now I do know why now, 3:53 Speaker 0: but 3:54 Speaker 0: we knew 5 months in advance and just as we knew that, we also knew what was happening with the GLP space. 4:01 Speaker 0: And I can share with you guys all that because there's a lot of stuff that people still don't know about that. So we can go as deep as you want, but like I said, if there's certain questions you ask me that I don't answer, you know why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. Well, let's 4:12 Speaker 3: talk about that. Let's go as deep as you like. While we're at it, so shoot, while we're at Peptide Sciences, I think everybody wants to know. We 4:19 Speaker 3: want to know what the actual truth is. So can you 4:22 Speaker 3: tell us what the scoop is? Why they actually voluntarily 4:26 Speaker 3: maybe shut down? Yeah. 4:28 Speaker 0: So very truthfully, the owner of Peptide Sciences, which I'm sure you guys know who it is, he's out there close to you guys now, 4:36 Speaker 0: who's a great man, 4:39 Speaker 0: who really, you know, we all really need to pour 1 out for him because that dude created 4:44 Speaker 0: a business that 4:46 Speaker 0: nobody really understood. Most people still don't understand it, 4:50 Speaker 0: but he allowed obviously the direct to consumer market to flourish. And 4:56 Speaker 0: thousands of people have created lives and really good lives for themselves and their families and their loved ones because of what they were really able to do to carve the niche out that they did. And I think, yeah, 5:07 Speaker 0: don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that they were around since 2008. 5:12 Speaker 0: Damn, that's a long time. It's appreciate 5:15 Speaker 0: a long time and very truthfully, because obviously I'm an OG in this space, tell people I've been using peptides since 2003, 5:21 Speaker 0: it's just true, since Southern Research Company 5:24 Speaker 0: in Texas. 5:26 Speaker 0: But if I was as smart as he was, 5:30 Speaker 0: I would have gotten into the research space a long time ago and I'd be a gazillionaire and I wouldn't do a podcast because I wouldn't care. But the 5:38 Speaker 0: truth is that he was a very smart guy. He hired very smart people 5:44 Speaker 0: and they built a massive, massive infrastructure. 5:46 Speaker 0: I want to give him even more credit because 5:49 Speaker 0: what a lot of people don't know is that, and obviously the site's gone now, 5:54 Speaker 0: but if you ever went there, and I'm sure all of us have gone there many times, he had literally like the Wikipedia 5:59 Speaker 0: of peptide information, right? So they had built up so much of this giant knowledge bank or call it this, it was really like an Akashic records for health optimization. They had every single peptide, 6:11 Speaker 0: small molecule supplement, 6:13 Speaker 0: I mean, that was bleeding edge, 6:15 Speaker 0: they had it. And so, you know, again, credit to them for doing that, 6:19 Speaker 0: but a lot of people in the compounded clinical space, 6:23 Speaker 0: by the way, this isn't just The United States, this is globally, 6:26 Speaker 0: that's where they got educated about peptides. 6:29 Speaker 0: That literally was the resource online and really offline 6:33 Speaker 0: for clinicians, 6:35 Speaker 0: for functional medicine people, for influencers, 6:37 Speaker 0: even guys like us to really get deep dive data because they really did a great job of collating all these studies. So anyway, the bottom line is, 6:45 Speaker 0: without going into full disclosure, because obviously there's certain things I can't tell you guys, but basically the owner of Peptide Sciences 6:52 Speaker 0: decided to take his chips off the table and cash out. 6:56 Speaker 2: Period. I'm sure he was doing well. There's lots of rumors. 7:00 Speaker 0: Listen, there's lots of rumors and I'm going to dispel every 1 of them. 7:04 Speaker 0: Credit card processing, 7:06 Speaker 0: they got caught. 7:08 Speaker 0: Overseas. Blah, blah, blah. Not true. Completely not true. Did not break any laws. In fact, I'll tell you guys this right now. They did not receive 7:16 Speaker 0: a single 7:17 Speaker 0: letter, 7:19 Speaker 0: an indictment, 7:20 Speaker 0: anything. Criminal penalties, nothing. 7:23 Speaker 0: Were some phone calls made from some very high level people in the government, obviously. 7:28 Speaker 2: And 7:29 Speaker 0: they were like, Hey, you know, we want to see your 7:32 Speaker 0: finances and your records, etcetera, and all that stuff. And they complied because they were a very obviously 7:38 Speaker 0: incredibly efficient and productive business. 7:41 Speaker 0: Got it at that stage. And 7:43 Speaker 0: you know, 7:44 Speaker 0: passed their audit and everything. But 7:47 Speaker 0: because of all the rumors in the industry and everybody was thinking that 7:52 Speaker 0: they were going to make an example out of somebody in 7:55 Speaker 0: the research space, again, the drug to consumer space, that they were going to 8:00 Speaker 0: come after them in some way. So him, being the owner of Peptide Sciences, again not mentioning his name, hired the Rolls Royce 8:07 Speaker 0: attorney legal defense team that he could get and he had amazing representation. 8:12 Speaker 0: And 8:13 Speaker 0: at the very end, 8:14 Speaker 0: before he decided to cash out, which was obviously at the end of February because I think this was announced in the very early part of March, 8:21 Speaker 0: he got a phone call from somebody on his legal defense team and they negotiated 8:26 Speaker 0: a deal with, I guess, somebody in the highest levels of the government, DSIP, 8:31 Speaker 0: know, black lot, who knows, right? You're talking very high levels of things. 8:37 Speaker 0: And 8:38 Speaker 0: he decided that, you know what? He was like, I don't want to deal with any of this pressure 8:42 Speaker 0: over my head or looking over my shoulder that they're going to come after me for some unknown reason. So very, 8:47 Speaker 0: very simply, he made a really great living for himself. He did very, very well and he'd literally just decided to cash out. Let me ask you, in 8:56 Speaker 2: your opinion, and it's obviously just an opinion, do you think that they were coming after him eventually? Do you think he jumped ship right before it sink? 9:04 Speaker 0: No. 9:05 Speaker 0: So what I think is, 9:08 Speaker 0: I think it has more to do with finance stuff like Visa. 9:12 Speaker 0: So this is what I think, and obviously I can't prove this and I want this for the record, this is my opinion. And this 9:18 Speaker 0: will go into deeper 9:20 Speaker 0: as we talk about the GLP market. 9:22 Speaker 0: Eli Lilly 9:24 Speaker 0: controls the United States government. 9:27 Speaker 0: In December, 9:28 Speaker 0: when I met with Cali Means in Las Vegas and I had a 20 actually probably a 25 to 30 minute 1 on 1 conversation with him which was set up by a mutual friend of ours, Tom Arts. 9:40 Speaker 0: And he said 9:42 Speaker 0: he listened to me. He was very, very observant. He was very, very open ears. He did not interrupt me. He was actually a very cool dude. Very cool guy. Shout out to Kelly Means. Super cool guy. This is exactly what his comment to me was. He said after I told him my 9:58 Speaker 0: take in the research space, my take 10:00 Speaker 0: why our attorney considers us direct to consumer, 10:03 Speaker 0: why we actually were developed, meaning the whole entire research space, as a competitor 10:09 Speaker 0: to pharma. 10:11 Speaker 0: Because people in our space 10:13 Speaker 0: can't afford a doctor or don't want to pay a doctor for a script. They want to do it themselves. So that's the definition 10:21 Speaker 0: from a legal opinion standpoint. They look at the research space as the direct to consumer 10:26 Speaker 0: market that literally developed due to the parallel 10:30 Speaker 0: or call it a 10:31 Speaker 0: market that developed side by side the pharma market from people that didn't want to go down the pharma pathway. So that's how they look at it. But he said to me, 10:40 Speaker 0: You in the research space and all your brethren 10:44 Speaker 0: don't have a seat at the table and Eli Lilly owns the table. 10:50 Speaker 0: So the truth is that all of us in the research space and obviously you guys now know because we're going talk about this, this actually even goes into the compounding space because if Eli Lilly had their druthers, they want to get rid of every compounder too because they see compounders making generic forms of GLP, 11:06 Speaker 0: forms of peptides, generic forms of small molecules, etcetera. 11:11 Speaker 0: Changing the molecular formula, adding hyaluronic acid, etcetera, and doing all these things they do. If they had their druthers, they'd get rid of everybody. That's what they're doing. If you guys have seen the SAFE CARES Act 11:22 Speaker 0: that they passed in December, which obviously hasn't been passed as legislation, but it's drafted in Indiana, which is Eli Lilly's hometown. Eli Lilly's territory. Yeah, you're right. So they 11:32 Speaker 0: want everybody 11:33 Speaker 0: out of the compounding space. They don't want anybody making GLP-one, 11:37 Speaker 0: GLP-two, 11:39 Speaker 0: GLP-three, and any future GLP-four or 5 or anything that's coming down the pipeline, which we can talk about. So it's like, it's a really weird world, but I said all that to tell you what my opinion about peptide sciences is. I think that Lilly pressured 11:54 Speaker 0: the head of Visa or the head of Black Rock. 11:58 Speaker 0: I always confuse Blackwater and Black Rock. Which, 12:02 Speaker 0: by the way, black rock is the back pocket of Lilly in the front pocket. 12:06 Speaker 0: It makes sense. Trillion dollar companies. So 12:09 Speaker 0: my guess is they pressured 12:11 Speaker 0: the owner of Peptide Sciences in some weird way 12:15 Speaker 0: and said, Hey, if you don't shut or if you don't think about taking 12:19 Speaker 0: your chips off the table, that at some point we will come after you. And again, when I say come after you, 12:24 Speaker 0: you got to understand, and this is coming from my attorney and obviously I'm not an attorney, but I have smart attorneys that advise me. There's nothing they were doing that's illegal. Yeah, right. Okay, because I think you guys understand the gray market is very, 12:38 Speaker 0: very 12:39 Speaker 0: nebulous in scope, but there 12:42 Speaker 0: are certain things that like the FDA doesn't have purview over in the research space and vice versa. So it's a weird thing. 12:50 Speaker 0: The only way the FDA can really come after you technically 12:53 Speaker 0: in the research space is if you're a bad actor, right? And we'll talk about that because there are a lot of bad actors. We can get to that in a 2nd. You've got to really be doing stupid shit like selling anabolic, 13:04 Speaker 0: biologics, 13:06 Speaker 0: making claims, 13:08 Speaker 0: saying stupid shit on your website. 13:11 Speaker 0: Again, just doing everything wrong, not paying for an attorney to give you advice. So there's a lot of bad actors. But in the truth, 13:19 Speaker 0: from what I understand, peptide scientists never broke any laws. 13:23 Speaker 0: They never did anything wrong. You know, there was all sorts of rumors that 13:27 Speaker 0: in 2023, 13:28 Speaker 0: because I heard these and this is way before, you know, I got into the space myself, 13:32 Speaker 0: I was an affiliate for LIMITLESS, 13:34 Speaker 0: but there were rumors that they were selling 13:36 Speaker 0: semaglutide and tirzepatide and people were testing it and it wasn't that. And 13:41 Speaker 0: so the rumors 13:42 Speaker 0: were, and again, 13:44 Speaker 0: probably unsubstantiated, 13:45 Speaker 0: but then the rumors became, 13:47 Speaker 0: hey, they're selling Tirzepatide and Semaglutide and these are obviously compounded FDA approved drugs and 13:54 Speaker 0: they're not what the label says they are so that you can bust them for various 13:58 Speaker 0: state statute walls, etcetera. And 14:01 Speaker 0: again, I heard about that back in 2023, but nothing ever came of it. Nobody ever got prosecuted. There weren't even any cease and desist letters as far as I understand. Maybe they got a cease and desist letter from Novo or something on SEMA. I don't know. But the reality is that from what I understand, and again I'm really close to the catbird seat in that deal, 14:21 Speaker 0: he literally just decided to cash out at the last 2nd. All the people that worked for him, which I'm very close to 1 of them as you guys know, basically found out the next morning. 14:30 Speaker 3: Very 14:31 Speaker 0: truthfully, 14:32 Speaker 0: was, 14:33 Speaker 0: how do I say this, I was 14:36 Speaker 0: at the Arnold with 14:38 Speaker 0: the Myo Longevity affiliate 14:40 Speaker 0: sales team and 14:42 Speaker 0: I was about to jump on a meeting 14:44 Speaker 0: for marketing for BLL and all of a sudden I got the text message that said, we've decided to close. And so then I texted my attorney 14:53 Speaker 0: and said, what the hell is this? And he goes, I'm just finding out about it myself. I'll get into you. And then I texted so and so and I said, Dude, and he's like, I just found out. So it was really weird 15:04 Speaker 0: thing because again, they're a titan 15:06 Speaker 0: in the industry. But let 15:08 Speaker 0: me just say this, right after that, 15:11 Speaker 0: every fucking retard, 15:14 Speaker 0: telehealth 15:15 Speaker 0: platform owner, 15:17 Speaker 0: super influencer, I'll mention Andrew Huberman because he was all over the place, they all jumped to the conclusion it was the end of the research industry. 15:25 Speaker 0: Nothing be 15:27 Speaker 0: further from the truth 15:28 Speaker 0: because 15:29 Speaker 0: right now, and this is where we can take this podcast, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk and any of the giant pharmaceutical manufacturer giants, 15:38 Speaker 0: all they care about is that you do not sell GLP-1s. 15:41 Speaker 2: They 15:44 Speaker 0: do not get in their GLP lane because the way they see it is that they spent literally, let's just admit it, $1,000,000,000 probably each 15:52 Speaker 0: for stage 1, 2 and 3 trials. 15:55 Speaker 0: By the way, we need to say this. The FDA taking 15:59 Speaker 0: a drug to market is so antiquated and backward at this point. If they don't fix that, 16:04 Speaker 0: then they're not even going be able to keep up because obviously in the research space with all this biomedical 16:09 Speaker 0: revolution happening, I 16:12 Speaker 0: mean there's so many amazing chemists making amazing things like you gotta fix it. Now Marty Makary, obviously the head of the FDA, 16:19 Speaker 0: shout out to him because 16:21 Speaker 0: he's been making a lot of good comments saying that he knows that the FDA approval process is antiquated and out of sorts and that they need to fix it and they need to get things faster to market. 16:31 Speaker 0: So hopefully that happens, but 16:34 Speaker 0: who knows, guys? I mean, like Jeff says, 16:37 Speaker 0: getting the FDA to make changes is like turning a fucking aircraft carrier in a Class 5 hurricane. 16:43 Speaker 0: Right? I mean, it's true. It 16:46 Speaker 0: takes time. They're very, very stodgy. They're very, very dogmatic. 16:51 Speaker 0: So it just takes time. We've all heard from 16:55 Speaker 0: RFK, I always call them JFK, but RFK Jr. 16:59 Speaker 0: Went public 3 weeks ago on Rogan saying, 'Hey, we're going to unroll the class 2 to class 1 and there's gonna be a big boom into the peptide space. But, you know, I've talked to some very smart people in the regulatory side, and they're like, It's not gonna happen like he says it is. Yeah. You know, because they still have to do safety studies. I mean, blah blah blah. I mean, when is any government- 17:19 Speaker 0: 1 year. Happened that fast? Does any government move in-depth? I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see it roll back for a whole another year. Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like everybody's expecting it all to happen and everybody in the clinical space, which I talk to so many of those people every day is like so excited. Oh, it's going be the greatest thing. Now look, it's actually not going to be the greatest thing for people who rely on peptides from a prescription 17:42 Speaker 0: because you guys know it's all supply and demand. As As it's okay, 17:47 Speaker 0: price goes parabolic. Yeah, that's what they do. Price is literally going to go parabolic and combined. 17:54 Speaker 0: Well, think about this. Plus, there's and we need to talk about this, but they're also attempting, meaning Lilly, 18:00 Speaker 0: their lobby, etcetera, even Novo behind it now and places like HIMSS is all mobbed up with Novo, 18:06 Speaker 0: they want the compounders to go under. They want them to go under. They're gonna go after every 503B 18:11 Speaker 0: and every 503C 18:12 Speaker 0: in The United States so that they can completely control 18:16 Speaker 0: the supply chain of 503A. 18:19 Speaker 0: Wouldn't you? So that's what they want to do. So imagine how fast peptides 18:23 Speaker 0: go 10X or 7X. 18:25 Speaker 2: Oh, dude. Guys, For 18:28 Speaker 0: I had a doc send me this yesterday. He sent me a screenshot of this pharma platform 18:34 Speaker 0: that he orders peptides from and MOTS-10mg 18:36 Speaker 0: was 1,400 18:38 Speaker 0: Holy shit. That's 18:41 Speaker 3: what people don't get, man. That's like, dude, man. And I don't know. I think there's a problem with that because I just, 18:47 Speaker 3: I don't think it's worth that. 18:49 Speaker 0: And 18:51 Speaker 3: that is going to be the downfall and then it will do another pendulum switch. 18:55 Speaker 2: I mean, if that, you know, that's how the life is. That's how life is, how markets are. They go after those companies, but what about companies like the research companies? So it sounds like you're not too worried about that. 19:06 Speaker 0: Look, man. 19:07 Speaker 0: Too many of them. Well, I mean, look, so here's where we got to go with this. So 19:13 Speaker 0: is there going to be regulation, 19:15 Speaker 0: you know, prohibition, 19:17 Speaker 0: you want to call it, whatever you want to call it, inhibition 19:19 Speaker 0: of the research space 100%? 19:22 Speaker 2: Because 19:23 Speaker 0: unfortunately 19:24 Speaker 0: there are too many bad actors. You guys already know this. There are literally people 19:29 Speaker 0: buying flip peptides from India or China 19:32 Speaker 0: unlabeled and then 19:34 Speaker 0: slapping a label on it, doing 0 testing. 19:38 Speaker 0: God knows. Look, nobody even knows this. I'll share this with you because I don't care. New York Magazine, 19:45 Speaker 0: and I think Harper's Bazaar, I think that's who owns a parent, 19:49 Speaker 0: they just let my PR team know that they just did like, 19:53 Speaker 0: I forget, I think they bought 15 peptides 19:56 Speaker 0: or 15 different 19:58 Speaker 0: manufacturers, 19:59 Speaker 0: research companies, 20:01 Speaker 0: and they bought 15 different peptides from 15 different manufacturers and they tested them. 20:06 Speaker 0: And 75% 20:08 Speaker 0: of the ones they bought tested either 20:11 Speaker 0: full of endotoxins, 20:14 Speaker 0: underdosed 20:15 Speaker 0: or fake. 20:17 Speaker 0: So I think that's actually a good way to spin it for us that it probably is where we're at right now with all these retards because you guys know we have to talk about the retards. 20:30 Speaker 0: Selling peptides 20:31 Speaker 0: in the marketplace 20:33 Speaker 0: are literally 75% 20:35 Speaker 0: of research peptides right now are 1 of those 3 things. Right? Mean, nobody their little brother has peptide company. Listen, how many people have come to you guys and said, Oh, I tried peptides. That shit. 20:46 Speaker 1: Ultra running shoes are all about space. 20:49 Speaker 1: The space to go further, to feel better, 20:52 Speaker 1: to do something you never thought possible. 20:54 Speaker 1: And this space starts with Ultra Fit. Unlike traditional running shoes, 20:59 Speaker 1: Fit gives toes more room to move naturally, 21:02 Speaker 1: so every step is strong, balanced, 21:04 Speaker 1: and comfortable. Whatever you're lacing up for, stay out there with Ultra. 21:09 Speaker 1: Shop now at ultrarunning.com. 21:11 Speaker 1: That's altrarunning.com. 21:15 Speaker 0: Shit doesn't work. How many times have you heard that? They're getting fake fucking peptides. 21:20 Speaker 0: Yeah. Right. I 21:21 Speaker 3: didn't lose any weight. You got bunk stuff. Yep. Absolutely. And everybody try I mean, in this everybody 21:27 Speaker 3: they're like, Oh, I have a friend who wants to buy a, who wants to buy peptides. I think I 21:32 Speaker 3: looked on the internet and I found something and I'm sold it to him. So I have a peptide company. I'm just going to do this again. 21:37 Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I mean? Everybody has a friend. They sold a couple of peptides too. All of a sudden they got a company. Yeah. You guys, it's so insane. It's 21:45 Speaker 0: so insane that people like us who've been in this space, know our business, who know TRT, know peptides, know everything. 21:52 Speaker 0: You know, we get now when we go on social, 21:55 Speaker 0: which obviously 21:56 Speaker 0: we try to avoid it because it's so toxic, but you go on there and you get now targeted by people talking about peptides. 22:04 Speaker 0: So every now and then when I go on IG, I listen to some of these people and you guys, my God, 22:10 Speaker 0: like the average person talking about peptides on Instagram, and I don't have TikTok because they cancel me. I think, JD, you were the 1 that told me that I have like 5 impersonator 22:20 Speaker 0: accounts on TikTok. Some of them have like 50,000 followers. Me too, bro. I got a bunch. People send them to me all the time. That's weird. 22:26 Speaker 0: I mean, 22:28 Speaker 0: but like you think about like listening to these people talk about peptides and Will, that's exactly what it is. They literally bought peptides from us. 22:36 Speaker 0: They started using them. They're like, Holy shit, this is amazing. And they're like, How can I get into this business? And then literally 3 months later they're talking on whoever 22:44 Speaker 0: would listen to them, they're a peptide expert. The information is so bad. And you guys know this, AI 22:51 Speaker 0: is where most of these people get their information and AI is literally bunk. 22:55 Speaker 0: Most AI is the opposite. 22:58 Speaker 0: That's 22:59 Speaker 0: how bad it is. 23:00 Speaker 3: How are they gonna 23:02 Speaker 3: in January, I remember when there was some of this, you know, a conference and then we had people that some of these guys who are, 23:08 Speaker 3: who say who say they're doctors, they're on the screen yelling at you going, 23:11 Speaker 3: every research company is gonna be shut down right now. And I'm Utterly 23:17 Speaker 0: They 23:18 Speaker 3: have no They idea what they're talking have no idea what they're talking about and that's just not possible. So how can and I agree, I mean, being in this space, I think there should be some regulation because that means to cut some I mean, there should be some barrier to entry. What does look like? Like, Jake, how do they do it? Have the whole thing. Guys, I sent you that article. I sent you that article, Peptide Game of Thrones. 23:37 Speaker 0: Great article. I don't know that woman, but great job, whoever she And when I read that, I was like, wow, 23:42 Speaker 0: this woman is either, you know, in Jeff Cohen's inner circle or has a pipeline to Jeff because no 1 23:49 Speaker 0: understood the industry as well as she did like he 23:52 Speaker 0: did until I read her stuff. But she made a lot of mis Obviously, she's casting 23:58 Speaker 0: She's probably at 23:59 Speaker 0: the end of her summary conclusion, let's say it was a huge article, it's like 15,000 words, but at 24:05 Speaker 0: the very end she made a lot of predictions and she's literally off on 75% of her predictions because I actually know where it's going, we can talk about that. 24:13 Speaker 0: So Jeff Cohen started 24:15 Speaker 0: in 24:16 Speaker 0: December the American Peptide Association. 24:19 Speaker 0: And 24:20 Speaker 0: not 24:22 Speaker 0: coincidentally 24:22 Speaker 0: or synchronistically, 24:24 Speaker 0: right after I talked to Cali Beans, right? We need a seat at the table, guys. We gotta have a lobby. Gotta have people that respect what we do. Because listen, this is what Jeff says and this is what's probably the most important thing I'll say on this entire podcast, and that is 24:38 Speaker 0: the people that believe that research peptides are crap 24:42 Speaker 0: are really just brainwashed by pharma 24:45 Speaker 0: because they believe that every research peptide is being made in somebody's basement and doesn't have 3rd party testing, doesn't have batch and lot numbers, etc. And so we have to defeat that 24:57 Speaker 0: misinformation or that misnomer. 25:00 Speaker 0: Way we do that is by A) we build a lobby, which American Peptide Association is doing, and then B) 25:06 Speaker 0: we do have standards of testing 25:09 Speaker 0: that 25:10 Speaker 0: every single legitimate research company will have to go through. And again, I can explain what that means. It's very simple. 25:17 Speaker 0: It's going to be 3, 25:19 Speaker 0: what we call triple party verification. 25:21 Speaker 0: You will get a verification from the actual manufacturer, 25:24 Speaker 0: whether it's in China or India. 25:27 Speaker 0: You will then have to test it with 0.333 25:30 Speaker 0: party audit company in The United States, which there's so many of them now. 25:34 Speaker 0: And then you would also have to test it for heavy metals and endotoxins, which by the way, that's going be the next part of our business that's going to explode is all those companies are going to come out. 25:43 Speaker 0: And then you'll also end up having 25:46 Speaker 0: this will be a side play, but these companies are coming 25:49 Speaker 0: that for $99 they'll be able to test 130 biomarkers. 25:54 Speaker 0: They'll test your mitochondrial 25:55 Speaker 0: density. 25:56 Speaker 0: They'll test your biological 25:58 Speaker 0: age. So you're going to get all these things where you're going to know what you're deficient in peptide wise. So all that stuff's coming but if 26:05 Speaker 0: you do that and then obviously you have to have a batch number, a lot number, 26:09 Speaker 0: you 26:10 Speaker 0: have to verify that what's on your label you can prove. So 26:15 Speaker 0: again, 75% of the research companies will go away because we clearly know they can't do any of that. You guys know there's tons of people faking certificates of authenticity. 26:24 Speaker 0: For true. I mean, dude, how many people grab ours or yours and then literally 26:30 Speaker 0: copy it 26:31 Speaker 0: copy it 26:33 Speaker 0: on 26:34 Speaker 0: a high end resolution thing and then send it to people? Then it's like, mean, we've done this ourselves. We've literally found people all over the international market. I mean, have literally created biolongevitylabs.uk.oh 26:46 Speaker 0: yeah, we get it all the time. They mimic me constantly, 26:49 Speaker 0: dude. Oh, crazy. It's like you check on their 26:53 Speaker 0: COAs and you're like, wait a minute, this is ours. 26:58 Speaker 0: So look, man, all that shit is going to go away. Know, if you ask Jeff and I was with Jeff yesterday on a 90 minute call, he thinks that it'll be, 27:07 Speaker 0: there will be there will be great headway 27:10 Speaker 0: by the end of this year 27:12 Speaker 0: and all of the bad actors will be gone by 2nd 0.25 20 27. 27:16 Speaker 3: Okay, dude. That's awesome. Yeah, 27:19 Speaker 0: it's great, but you know, to Will's question, you know, is there the possibility 27:24 Speaker 0: that Lilly, because they have so much power Yeah. You know, shakes down Visa, Mastercard, American Express, 27:32 Speaker 0: you know, whomever, 27:34 Speaker 0: and literally stops the sale 27:37 Speaker 0: of anything 27:39 Speaker 0: that isn't vetted pharmaceutically 27:41 Speaker 0: from injection. 27:43 Speaker 0: So there's no way they're going to stop oral 27:45 Speaker 0: peptides or 27:47 Speaker 0: bioregulators because those are classified as supplements. But 27:51 Speaker 0: can they stop the sale of what they call, 27:54 Speaker 0: in their world, in the regulatory world, they call them NSIs, non sterile injectables, which you guys and I know that's a scam because of course they're fucking sterile. 28:01 Speaker 0: But they call them non sterile injectables that they come out of not come out of pharma. So 28:07 Speaker 0: can they stop that through the pressure of credit card processors? 28:10 Speaker 0: Again, if you ask the smart people, Jeff Cohen's 1 of them, there are others, 28:14 Speaker 0: they think it's a coin flip. 28:16 Speaker 0: So it really 28:18 Speaker 0: depends on how insulated you are as a business. What is your revenue? Like we were talking off air about these groups. 28:25 Speaker 0: Are you stable? Do you have very low chargebacks? Do you run a legitimate business? Do you have legitimate customer service, etcetera? So I don't think there's any existential threat to the research space other than through that pathway. Look, here's the other thing, and this is very important. We 28:44 Speaker 0: spoke about this before and I want to think it was when you and I had our podcast in what, September of last year? 28:51 Speaker 0: About a Yeah, year 28:54 Speaker 0: JD, Jeff said this to me when I 1st, I mean, I've known him or of him for a long time, but when we 1st met and he became my attorney and, you know, a client, etcetera, have attorney client privilege, it was like back in September 29:07 Speaker 0: 2024. 29:08 Speaker 0: And this is what he told me and my partners at BLL. He said, Look, 29:12 Speaker 0: and this is the truth, by the way, he says, 29:14 Speaker 0: Until you guys can pay a fine quarterly of $100,000,000 29:17 Speaker 0: you don't even exist. 29:19 Speaker 0: Okay. 29:21 Speaker 0: Yeah. Now think about that for a 2nd. 29:24 Speaker 0: Look at the compounders. 29:26 Speaker 0: Look at, you know, because let's mention some of these guys, because some of these guys are my friends. You know, Sean Norian, he's got a lot of enemies. He owns Empower. They're the biggest compounder in The United States. I've known Sean literally for 12 years. He's a very close friend of mine. 29:38 Speaker 0: And I give him a lot of props because he's standing up 29:42 Speaker 0: to the overlords of pharma, specifically 29:45 Speaker 0: Lilly, specifically Novo, because again, think about this guy. Think about what they did to these guys. In 2022 and 2023, 29:52 Speaker 0: when Novo and Lilly could not keep up with Tirzepatide and Semaglutide, 29:56 Speaker 0: they literally went to the 503As, 29:58 Speaker 0: which is what Empower is, and they said, 'Hey, we're ratify 30:02 Speaker 0: some emergency use legislation right now to give you guys power to fill our supply overrun 30:09 Speaker 0: that we can't make. 30:10 Speaker 0: And so they all said, Sure, sure, sure. So then they buy all the raw ingredients, they do it all due, they sell it. And then literally 1.5 30:17 Speaker 0: years later they say, Hey, not only are you not allowed to sell it anymore, 30:21 Speaker 0: fuck you. We're going to fine you and try to shut you down if you do sell it. So yeah, they sued them 30:28 Speaker 0: and there are massive lawsuits right now between 503As 30:31 Speaker 0: and 30:32 Speaker 0: pharmaceutical 30:34 Speaker 0: manufacturers. 30:35 Speaker 0: And the great news is guys, 30:37 Speaker 0: in our defense and their defense obviously, because clearly we want them to succeed, 30:42 Speaker 0: they're winning at state level. Wow. Lilly has all the money and they have all the patent attorneys and all the counsel attorneys, but they're losing at the state court level because the courts are like, you guys do not own a monopoly. You cannot just get rid of everybody. 30:58 Speaker 0: That's what they're trying to do. That's literally what they're trying to do. So my guess is that you will see 31:05 Speaker 0: massive consolidation 31:08 Speaker 0: of 503Bs 31:09 Speaker 0: and 503Cs. 31:10 Speaker 0: If that happens, 31:12 Speaker 0: as Jeff says, you can't just get rid of the consumer, the direct to consumer market, again called the RUO, research use only space, because that would be the only alternative 31:23 Speaker 0: to 503C 31:24 Speaker 0: compounded medications, which as you guys know, we already talked about it, they're going go up 5 to 10 times in So 31:32 Speaker 0: think about how insane it is if they get rid of all the 503Bs 31:35 Speaker 0: and Cs, and I don't think that'll happen, but let's say that they lose, let's say 50% 31:40 Speaker 0: of 503Bs 31:41 Speaker 0: and Cs go away. 31:43 Speaker 0: Let's explain this to the people watching this. 31:46 Speaker 0: The way the supply chain works inside the compounded space is the 503Bs and the 503Cs make it. And then the 503As 31:54 Speaker 0: purchase it from them. 31:55 Speaker 0: And then they sell it to the scripts, you know, .co and all the middlemen and stuff like that. Obviously, telehealth platforms, the clinicians, 32:04 Speaker 0: the rows, 32:05 Speaker 0: the hims and hers, 32:07 Speaker 0: all these people. And so it's like, imagine if you take away 50% of that market. 32:13 Speaker 0: You've shrunk the supply even worse. I mean, imagine the price. It's going to be insane. No 1 will be able to afford it. 32:21 Speaker 0: And so my take is that research gets bigger. Hell yeah. 32:25 Speaker 0: Agreed. I accept these terms. For the legitimate research providers, 32:29 Speaker 0: they get bigger. 32:30 Speaker 0: And again, 75% 32:32 Speaker 0: of research, in my opinion, goes 32:34 Speaker 0: away within 18 months because again, there will be some sort of supply chain vetting. There will be manufacturer vetting. And if you don't pass muster, you go under. Yeah. 32:43 Speaker 2: Well, that's thing though. Good companies are doing it right. The companies are doing it right because they can afford it and they're putting the money up and they're testing them like they should. And it should be that way. 32:52 Speaker 0: Dude, this is the truth. 32:55 Speaker 0: So many people do not understand this. A legitimate research 32:59 Speaker 0: company, direct to consumer company, 33:01 Speaker 0: actually has higher quality control 33:04 Speaker 0: than the average 503B 33:06 Speaker 0: and 503C. 33:07 Speaker 0: The reason that is, is because the research company, again, the direct to consumer company 33:12 Speaker 0: doesn't survive 33:14 Speaker 0: unless they have the most strident, 33:17 Speaker 0: above board, certificates 33:20 Speaker 0: of authenticity, triple 33:22 Speaker 0: verification. 33:23 Speaker 0: I mean, it's insane. That's not happening at the 503B and 503C 33:27 Speaker 0: level. But again, people are so brainwashed because they think, Oh, big pharma, 33:31 Speaker 0: FDA approved, 33:33 Speaker 0: then it has to be better than the research company. Again, there's still people that think that. 33:38 Speaker 0: Don't make it stop. 33:40 Speaker 0: You guys, that's the majority of people that think that because doctors tell them that. Dude, the majority of doctors 33:46 Speaker 0: the majority of doctors think that our shit is like low quality. 33:50 Speaker 0: You know, it's like, are you guys crazy? Yeah. But, you know, Jeff talks about this because he defends these people, you know, at the state level all across the country. 33:59 Speaker 0: And he swears and he'll he'll say this, you know, he'll put his hand on the Bible and say this. He'll say, 34:05 Speaker 0: If you have human beings 34:08 Speaker 0: owning these companies, whether it's a research company or a 503B or 503C, 34:13 Speaker 0: it's 34:14 Speaker 0: the integrity of the owner 34:15 Speaker 0: that determines the quality of the product. 34:18 Speaker 0: And he's like, whenever there's human involvement or human elements, he's like, you're going to have bad actors 34:23 Speaker 0: just as you're going to have good actors. And so he's like, there's no difference. He goes, I don't see anything different from research to the compound space. It just comes down to the owner and how willing is that person to either confirm or not. Exactly. This 34:38 Speaker 3: is kind of changing pace, but, 34:40 Speaker 3: because I wanna, I wanna ask you some questions before we run, before we run out of time at some point. Med V, 34:46 Speaker 3: that's a crazy announcement. I mean, do we, 34:49 Speaker 3: 1st of all, why would that owner say that? I mean, isn't he gonna catch some criminal charges now? 34:55 Speaker 3: Can you give us a little breakdown of of what 34:57 Speaker 3: Med V. So Med V. 35:16 Speaker 0: So what ended up happening, I mean, it's true, but it's not true in the way it was portrayed that he was guilty of all these things. So what ended up happening is that he had some bad affiliates 35:24 Speaker 0: who created the fake AI doctors. 35:27 Speaker 0: And so they now know, 35:29 Speaker 0: meaning regulators, 35:32 Speaker 0: I think it's just going to be state that's going to prosecute 35:35 Speaker 0: or individual states that prosecute, 35:37 Speaker 0: they're just going to go after the bad actors. So he's already complied 35:41 Speaker 0: to both the FDA and the federal government. He's already wrote a long letter because I actually read the letter on Twitter like 2 days ago, but he's also been he's basically said, Hey, look, I'm completely 35:50 Speaker 0: innocent of this. I had no idea that this was happening. He's definitely going get a huge fine because he's 1000000000 dollar company, 35:57 Speaker 0: but he's going to get off because he had no knowledge of 36:01 Speaker 0: what those guys did with those fake AI doctors. But I mean, you guys, it's 36:05 Speaker 0: endemic of what 36:07 Speaker 0: kind of a farce AI really is. Because if he did it or they did it for him, how many other people are doing this in our space right now? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. That makes more sense. That makes more sense. Yeah, 36:19 Speaker 0: when I 1st run it, I was like, holy shit. And then I saw his letter like 3 days later and I was like, Okay, this makes more sense. But it didn't make sense because I was following that guy's story because I'm in this like mastermind, 36:31 Speaker 0: that, you know, people in the longevity space and we were following the story for the last year. So when I 1st read that, I was like, That guy's not that dumb. I've heard him talk before. 36:39 Speaker 0: So again, he's taking advantage of. But you guys know this, even for us in our businesses, 36:45 Speaker 0: what's to stop an affiliate from going out there and doing crazy shit that we don't know about? 36:50 Speaker 2: A- I got a question about that because we don't use affiliates for that reason. A few, but like, so you sound like you do quite a bit. Was kind of, 37:00 Speaker 2: does that work out well for you? How many do you have, if you don't mind me asking, you don't need to know that, but we chose not I'm to do 37:06 Speaker 0: happy to talk about it. It works very well. It works very well. We don't have, I don't know what our current, you know, actually how many people are at our field network. I mean, it's definitely the Perito principle, you know, 20% does 80% of the business. I'm 37:19 Speaker 0: sure we got a ton of mom and pops. We have a wholesale division too. 37:24 Speaker 0: I mean, look, you guys, 37:26 Speaker 0: the whole I mean, again, very few people know this and I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag, but peptide sciences did the majority of their business internationally. 37:35 Speaker 0: So you have to imagine that there were so many doctors 37:39 Speaker 0: and so many high wealth or high income affluent people in the international communities who had 37:44 Speaker 0: recourse. 37:46 Speaker 0: Still don't. 37:47 Speaker 0: Think about all the people that want to buy shit from us in the international market and we can't even get it through customs. 37:53 Speaker 0: The only chance is you fly a private jet 37:57 Speaker 0: with $100,000 37:59 Speaker 0: worth of product. 38:01 Speaker 0: Mean, there's literally We're no way to get in in. 38:05 Speaker 0: You guys would be surprised. I'm literally a 38:08 Speaker 0: week from Wednesday, this coming Wednesday, I'm flying to Corfu, Greece In a way. To do like a mastermind for like, you know, there's not a single person in that room probably less worth less than $100,000,000 38:19 Speaker 0: to talk about peptides. So, you know, there's going to be conversations around probably that kind of stuff happening, but 38:27 Speaker 0: we're just in a very, very, very weird space right now and 38:31 Speaker 0: it's just very difficult to get peptides outside of The United States. Mean, there are people still shipping them into Canada, but as you know, if you ship anything to Canada, that's a coin flip too. They can seize it and never give it back. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. That is true. So the to end the research 38:48 Speaker 3: the research use only talk real quick. So it's your lawyer, Cohen, that is is starting that 38:55 Speaker 0: Yeah. It's already available. You guys should actually join. The union. I highly recommend you guys join it. Paul Bactiara, I'll guys 39:02 Speaker 0: to Autumn. Yeah. I'll connect you guys to Autumn. Everybody in our space 39:07 Speaker 0: should join that because it's not just 39:09 Speaker 0: direct to consumer, 39:11 Speaker 0: it's compounders, 39:12 Speaker 0: it's influencers. 39:14 Speaker 0: It's 39:15 Speaker 0: people that actually have a fucking clue, which is very few of us. And so like, I highly recommend, I'll connect you guys with Autumn 39:23 Speaker 0: who really runs it and say, Hey man, these guys are my good friends. They have a research company. They want to get involved. Yeah, because honestly that's the only chance 39:30 Speaker 0: that we really truly have to building a viable direct to consumer platform. 39:35 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And the only regulation, the only way that, yes, that 39:40 Speaker 3: I guess big pharma can really shut down the direct to consumers is financially, is through the finance, through the banks and processors. 39:48 Speaker 0: The people are saying the Department of Justice is coming after you. Department of Justice is Well, I mean, mean, I mean, I I wanna there is a is caveat. If you're a bad actor, you know, if you're a bad actor 39:58 Speaker 0: and you're selling steroids, biologics, 40:00 Speaker 0: SARMs, stupid shit that you shouldn't be selling, then, you know, they they can always come out to you in that way, but that's because you're breaking some sort of estate Yeah, statute 40:08 Speaker 0: true. I mean, look, man, 40:11 Speaker 0: the easiest way to not get in trouble is to separate everything, to make sure that you follow the rules of direct to consumer. 40:18 Speaker 0: You can't have people messaging you and then asking you how to dose your products or how 40:24 Speaker 0: to cycle a product or anything like that. Everything has to be like, Hey, we're a research use only company. We can't tell you how to use it. We sell it for research purposes only. 40:32 Speaker 0: So there's a little bit of a, you know, I wouldn't call it a game, but you really do have to understand what you're doing being in the space. 40:38 Speaker 0: But I mean, yeah, unless you're a bad actor and you're breaking the law or really doing something criminal, 40:44 Speaker 0: it doesn't look like it other than what you said financially. 40:46 Speaker 3: That's awesome, man. So curious, can you tell us you're ahead on everything, right? Some 40:54 Speaker 3: peptides that are just coming out or are brand new that you're excited about 40:58 Speaker 0: or that you've used them as new? What do you got in there? There's actually a lot of stuff. Hold on. Let me let me get my book real quick. 41:09 Speaker 0: So I do wanna I wanna I wanna shill 41:11 Speaker 0: just real quick my book. So what are the book, guys? 41:16 Speaker 1: Ultra running shoes are all about space. 41:19 Speaker 1: The space to go further, 41:20 Speaker 1: to feel better, 41:22 Speaker 1: to do something you never thought possible, 41:24 Speaker 1: and this space starts with Ultra Fit. Unlike traditional running shoes, Ultra Fit gives toes more room to move naturally, so every step is strong, balanced, 41:34 Speaker 1: and comfortable. Whatever you're lacing up for, stay out there with Ultra. 41:39 Speaker 1: Shop now at ultrarunning.com. 41:41 Speaker 1: That's altrarunning.com. 41:46 Speaker 0: Deal. 41:47 Speaker 2: 735 41:49 Speaker 0: pages, 1,395 41:51 Speaker 0: scientific studies. So this is the bible 41:55 Speaker 0: on using GLPs 41:57 Speaker 0: in the world. All it's an awakening. Holy shit. 1 will 42:01 Speaker 0: ever equate or beat this book. It took my copywriter and my other copywriter and myself 8 months to write it. We used no AI. It's completely, you know, study. We 42:10 Speaker 0: dug everything up, but Hell yeah. The cool part about the book is there's a lot of science, it's very technical, 42:15 Speaker 0: but every chapter has a summary, you know, takeaway 42:19 Speaker 0: that's 1 page. So if you don't wanna fucking read the book because they're so technical, just read the summary takeaway of every chapter. In the in the book, we have what is coming. It's called the pipeline. 42:29 Speaker 0: And you guys, the shit that's coming 42:31 Speaker 0: is insane. 42:32 Speaker 0: It's 42:33 Speaker 0: like I talk about Retatrutide 42:35 Speaker 0: in the book and say it's the greatest drug in the history of the world as of right now, but in 2 years it may not even be relevant. 42:41 Speaker 0: That's 42:42 Speaker 0: the kind of bullshit that's coming. So 42:45 Speaker 0: I do want to talk about the drugs that, technically 42:49 Speaker 0: the small molecules, however you want to call them, that BioLongevity Labs launched in December. And again, this comes from our chemist, Mike Farber, 42:57 Speaker 0: who's 1 of the top biochemists in the world. He's got now, I want to say 125 43:02 Speaker 0: plus drug delivery patents. 43:04 Speaker 0: And very honestly, he was in my audience for like 5 years 43:08 Speaker 0: and he reached out to me in April 2025 43:12 Speaker 0: and sent me this crazy email that was like, Hey, I really 43:16 Speaker 0: like you. I respect you. He's like, I really want to do something to change the world for you. And he didn't tell me who he was. Yeah. So 43:23 Speaker 0: I wrote back, question mark, question mark. What 43:27 Speaker 0: are you talking about? Right? And he then sends me back a link to all of his drug patents. I'm like, What 43:33 Speaker 0: the fuck? Right? So I'm like, I sent to the partners, I was like, I think we need to have a call with this guy. So we did. 43:39 Speaker 0: Was like 43:41 Speaker 0: end of April, early May of last year. 43:44 Speaker 0: And he said, Look, this is what I'm building. 43:47 Speaker 0: You probably have already looked at my drugs I built. I mean, you guys, this guy created an injectable ivermectin. 43:53 Speaker 0: I mean, wow. The 43:55 Speaker 0: dude doesn't need money. You know, he's completely set. He's 75 years old, but he wants to help. He's like, 44:02 Speaker 0: This is my legacy. I created these amazing drugs that have 19 day 44:07 Speaker 0: album and binding constructs. So it's like the longest 0.5 life of any drug ever designed. And he goes, It changes the game for pretty much everything. He's like, But this is just him on a Zoom call with us and he's in Thailand. 44:18 Speaker 0: Right? 44:19 Speaker 0: He's just a white dude. He's American, but he lives in Thailand. Now he's 75. He's got a daughter. He's absolutely 44:24 Speaker 0: jacked. I mean, the guy's like, for 75 years old, he's like insane shape. But he's like, 44:29 Speaker 0: I'm going to fly over. I'm going to meet with you guys. He's like, I'm going to bring you FLGR-two 44:33 Speaker 0: 42, which is a recombinant follistatin, 44:35 Speaker 0: and I'm going to bring you guys Clotho. Now we knew what Clotho was because obviously a lot of the longevity doctors are talking about it. They spent billions of dollars of research. They're down in the economic free zone off the coast of Honduras. They've been selling fucking 44:48 Speaker 0: 60,000 or $70,000 44:50 Speaker 0: injections 44:51 Speaker 0: for like 5 or 6 years. But anybody who's ever gone down there that, and I know a lot of people that have, not myself, but other people, they're all told me I didn't notice shit. I got 44:59 Speaker 0: So 45:00 Speaker 0: the clonidine thing was already known, but the recombinant follistatin was a totally separate molecule. 45:06 Speaker 0: I want to preface this by saying that everybody, including you 2 guys 45:10 Speaker 0: in the bodybuilding world knows what follistatin is. There's 45:14 Speaker 0: been three-four-four, 45:15 Speaker 0: three-four-seven, 45:16 Speaker 0: three-five-three-one-eight. 45:19 Speaker 0: There's all these different modified versions of Follistatin, but the problem with all of them was twofold. Number 1, very short 0.5 life. 45:26 Speaker 0: You have to inject yourself fucking 3 or 4 times, 45:30 Speaker 0: and you got to do it right before you train, after you train, etcetera. Then the other thing was 45:35 Speaker 0: it binds to actin, so it can increase the size of the heart, increase the size of internal organs, blow up your prostate, 45:42 Speaker 0: blah, blah, blah. So it's a shit drug and it always was a shit drug. Obviously some pro bodybuilders would use it because size was everything and they wanted to increase shoulder, 45:52 Speaker 0: bicep or back or whatever. So there were some benefits to that, but nobody 45:57 Speaker 0: ever understood how to do what Mike did to it. And so what Mike did to it is he took a it's actually the 03/18 version of it, I think. Correct me, I'm pretty sure it's the 3 18 version of it. But anyway, he changed 46:09 Speaker 0: the binding construct so that it's a 19 day 0.5 life. So you can basically take a very low dose of it. And I sent JD some pictures of this 46:19 Speaker 0: up and coming pro physique competitor. His name's Alex Padron. 46:23 Speaker 0: And he started taking it right before his So he competed early 46:29 Speaker 0: December 46:30 Speaker 0: in Southern California and I think he took 1st place in his division, 2nd place overall in the whole show. He's definitely a guy that's gonna compete for the Physique Olympiad. He's got an insane physique. 46:40 Speaker 0: And he started taking it in February 46:43 Speaker 0: and he was on it for 2 months and he sent me his pictures earlier this week and he's like, Bro, 46:48 Speaker 0: what the fuck? He's like, There's nothing like this drug in the world. So that's just 1 guy who's a pro competitor 46:55 Speaker 0: who knows how to diet, who knows how to eat, knows how to do everything right. We have 46:59 Speaker 0: thousands of people who are just everyday 47:02 Speaker 0: Tom, 47:04 Speaker 0: Dick, Sam, Harry people 47:06 Speaker 0: who are sending us their testimonials and their before and afters, and it's literally 47:10 Speaker 0: insane. 47:11 Speaker 0: Mean, it 47:13 Speaker 0: is without a doubt 1000000000 dollar drug, perhaps even bigger because we have people in the cattle industry 47:19 Speaker 0: that want to purchase access to the patent to beef up their cattle. Mean, think about it. You want to beef up your cattle, you're going make a fucking lot more money. 47:27 Speaker 0: So there's all these different ways that you can probably use that molecule, 47:31 Speaker 0: but for the average person, 47:34 Speaker 0: and again I mean a male or female who's not a competitor, who just want to live longer, 47:38 Speaker 0: leaner, stronger, take off their shirt or bikini in public and look better, Exactly. 47:44 Speaker 0: It's truly amazing 47:46 Speaker 0: because it burns fat, it's lipolytic, and obviously it's anabolic depending on how much food you eat. Now, you take it and you don't eat a lot of food, 47:55 Speaker 0: you're just gonna get leaner and harder. 47:57 Speaker 0: But if you eat, you're going to put on serious size. Dude, we've got people that have put on bodybuilders, not like that guy you saw, 48:05 Speaker 0: but I've seen bodybuilders put on about 24 pounds in literally 3 months. 48:09 Speaker 0: Legit muscle DEXA scans, 48:11 Speaker 0: pre novos, the whole thing. And then tons of people that have done internal 48:15 Speaker 0: architecture scans, 48:17 Speaker 0: no heart enlargement, no internal organ growth, nothing. Honestly, I've been using it myself 48:23 Speaker 0: since November 48:25 Speaker 0: and I did it consecutively for 12 weeks at 2.5 mg a week. 48:30 Speaker 0: And then I went to 5 mg a week and now I take it probably like 0.75 48:34 Speaker 0: mg 48:36 Speaker 0: every other day. I'm the biggest and leanest I've ever been. I'm literally I walk around now at 2 19 and I always walked around at like 2 0 9. 48:44 Speaker 0: Wow. So I've gotten much bigger from it and I haven't changed anything else. I mean, obviously I'm always on TRT, 48:50 Speaker 0: but I've just gotten bigger. And when people see me now, like in the gym or in street clothes, they're like, Dude, what the fuck happened to you? So, I mean, I've 48:57 Speaker 0: gained definitely a solid 7 to 9 pounds of muscle and I've also just got, I mean, I'm just as lean, if not leaner. Mean, I haven't measured my body fat, but I've gotten my labs done twice 49:07 Speaker 0: and everything is perfect. No inflammatory marker elevation. 49:12 Speaker 0: I haven't done a pre novo, but I'm pretty solid that nothing 49:16 Speaker 0: bad is going on. So that's an amazing molecule. And then obviously, Clotho 49:20 Speaker 0: has the same binding construct, same 0.5 life. 49:25 Speaker 0: So all you have to do with clotho is you have to just take it once every 2 weeks. That's all it is. It's just a very low, it's basically 10 micrograms, 49:32 Speaker 0: and the human body has anywhere from about 7 to 12 circulating 49:37 Speaker 0: micrograms of Clotho over 49:40 Speaker 0: a week. So if you just take a 49:42 Speaker 0: very slight increase of 10 micrograms every 2 weeks, you will be in a zone where you will lower your biological age. 49:49 Speaker 0: And I think what people notice about it is it 49:53 Speaker 0: improves endothelial tissue sensitivity. 49:56 Speaker 0: So you definitely have better erections. I mean, improves 49:59 Speaker 0: immediately. 50:01 Speaker 0: Like if you're in your 40s, 50s or 60s and you start taking Clotho, you're going to have a much better sex drive. You're going have much better sensitivity, better erections. Women get wetter faster. 50:10 Speaker 0: But like I think the older people that have been taking it, they all tell me amazing stories of better vision, 50:17 Speaker 0: enhancing focus, their smell, improved smell. 50:20 Speaker 0: So again, if you look into what Clotho is responsible for, 50:24 Speaker 0: there's so many aging, 50:27 Speaker 0: call it pathways 50:28 Speaker 0: that it is involved in that just by taking a microdose of Clotho, you're going to improve your biological age. You're going to be younger 50:36 Speaker 0: essentially. So 50:37 Speaker 0: it's pretty awesome. 50:39 Speaker 0: My wife and I have been taking that product since we 1st got it literally in July of last year, 50:45 Speaker 0: and I can't see myself ever going off of it. It's just such a game changer. Oh, really? You're taking it for too. Hey, can I ask you, 50:51 Speaker 2: 1st of actually, all, 50:54 Speaker 3: we were watching your videos with you and Hunter about 5 years, 6 years before that, 51:27 Speaker 0: Trying to get a phone out of their face? Goodness. 51:30 Speaker 3: I don't listen, I don't really do much social media. All I do is 51:33 Speaker 3: read really. That's kind of where I get my information. I appreciate the actual books, man. I didn't know there was that much to say about GLP-1s, 51:41 Speaker 0: so I'll take a look at that book. Yeah, hell yeah. Awesome. Well, I mean, I'll send you guys, I'll send you guys a copy. I have no problem sending you guys a copy and I'll send you guys a PDF of it right now. Because you're not, you know, you don't want to carry it around. I mean, I'm not joking. It literally weighs probably like 18 pounds. Hell yeah, man. That's awesome. That's 51:57 Speaker 3: awesome. So question, I guess here's a question for you. You are a bit, you are busy. You have your hand in, well, you're doing a lot of things. Is there any companies or 52:05 Speaker 3: things you're involved in that 52:07 Speaker 3: people don't know about or that are outside of this 52:10 Speaker 3: space? 52:12 Speaker 3: And 52:14 Speaker 3: like, yeah, don't know. Yeah. And then what's your favorite thing that you do? Like you speak, you write books, you have you run these companies, I guess. What do you what do you really like doing of all of that? What parts of it? What do you dislike? What is the stuff that you hate doing? 52:29 Speaker 0: Man. You don't have to disclose that. So actually, no, no, I will. I'm open book. I am involved in building something that's going to change the world a 100%. 52:39 Speaker 0: That's why I sent you guys that article. So there's a lot of clues inside that article. 52:43 Speaker 0: If you guys read that article, it will definitely take you 20 minutes to read it, but it's so weird I read that it, cool. It's really You already read it? Okay, awesome. It really separates everything. 52:51 Speaker 0: But if you see the summary of what they say is what 52:55 Speaker 0: is available to make and to build, that's what I'm building. 52:59 Speaker 0: So I'm connected with some very, just call them titans, and 53:04 Speaker 0: we're building it right now. 1st, 53:06 Speaker 0: because you guys know this, like in order, it's so sad in the corporate world these days, but like to build something lasting, have to really handle the legal regulatory spot 1st. 53:16 Speaker 0: You 53:17 Speaker 0: have to build something structurally that will 53:21 Speaker 0: handle 53:22 Speaker 0: lawsuits, 53:24 Speaker 0: tax, 53:26 Speaker 0: and we're building that 1st and that's what's 53:29 Speaker 0: encompassing a lot of our time. In fact, I actually have 3 53:33 Speaker 0: days of meetings next week in Tampa, my hometown, 53:36 Speaker 0: where these folks are coming into Tampa and we're literally going to be in a boardroom all Tuesday, all Wednesday, and all Thursday to 53:43 Speaker 0: hammer this out. But what 53:45 Speaker 0: we build will benefit you guys and will obviously, 53:48 Speaker 0: most importantly, will benefit 53:51 Speaker 0: the world because like I said, you know, I want people and you guys do too, we all do. The good actors all want this. We want people to be safe. 54:00 Speaker 0: We want people to buy things and to use things where there's no risk and 54:05 Speaker 0: that they know that what they're getting is 100 label claim. And right now that's unfortunately not the situation. And as 54:12 Speaker 0: I say in this book, and I've been saying this on podcasts for 54:16 Speaker 0: probably the last 5 months, the book came out in early February or middle February, excuse me, but in the last 5 months I've been talking about it is the 54:23 Speaker 0: problem is, and you guys know this, but so few people don't. 54:28 Speaker 0: 95 percent of people who use GLPs fuck themselves up. 95 54:33 Speaker 0: percent. 54:33 Speaker 0: And the reason that that is, is because there's 0 education in the space. The difference between us and them is that we know how to use them. 54:42 Speaker 0: We know how to dose them. We know how to use testosterone 54:45 Speaker 0: with them. We know how to eat with them. We know how to train with them. We know how to get the right sleep with them. We know how to do everything else. Whereas all those people get none of that. They're not hormonally optimized. 54:56 Speaker 0: The doctor doesn't tell them what to do. They don't know they need to eat more protein. They don't know they need to lift weights. And then on top of that, a lot of them won't do it anyway because they're fucking lazy. Was going say that, Yeah, which is that's the 55:09 Speaker 0: biggest problem. They think it's an easy button. They were like, Oh, I don't have to do any of this. But again, it's not because, 55:16 Speaker 0: you know, 55:18 Speaker 0: it's because they're not being told. The doctors don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo don't give a shit. Lilly and Novo care about making 1000000000000 dollars a year. 55:29 Speaker 0: They don't care about people getting healthier. They're not gonna teach people to microdose GLPs. 55:34 Speaker 0: Know, mean, about the Also doctors, 55:36 Speaker 2: they don't give a shit. Standard face. Dosage 55:40 Speaker 0: in the studies for Retrutide 55:42 Speaker 0: is 6 55:43 Speaker 0: fucking milligrams 55:44 Speaker 0: a week. And then they take them to 9 and 12. Can you imagine if a healthy person took 6 mg of retrutide, 55:52 Speaker 0: what would they do? 55:54 Speaker 0: They'd go crazy. 55:56 Speaker 0: Fuck up their brain. 55:57 Speaker 0: Yeah, true. 55:59 Speaker 0: So mean, it's 56:00 Speaker 0: just insanity, man. So I really think that our job 56:03 Speaker 0: as 56:05 Speaker 0: e commerce store 56:06 Speaker 0: owners and influencers, 56:08 Speaker 0: subject matter experts, podcasters, whatever the fuck we are, our job now 56:13 Speaker 0: is to educate people. Hell yeah. That's literally our job. It's not, there's nothing else. Like there's so many options. If they're going to go out there and buy fucking $49.99 56:22 Speaker 0: Reddit trip tied to get scammed, that's on them. They chose that. 56:26 Speaker 0: But we can at least educate them on how to do this shit right. And look, man, like, you listen to that asshole Trevor Bachmeier. I mean, that guy's a fucking retard. Yeah. He does everything he does. Does he does. He He 56:40 Speaker 0: that comes out is fake 56:41 Speaker 0: or for clickbait or engagement farming or whatever it is. Mean, you guys ever look at his actual views? He's got like 1,700,000 56:48 Speaker 0: followers and he has low views. So, I mean, all of his followers are fake. Oh, no. It's all fake. But there are smart people in social media, 56:58 Speaker 0: followers, our consumers, 57:00 Speaker 0: our fans and audiences 57:02 Speaker 0: who do watch it and then they come to us and they're like, Why is this guy saying this? Like, Hey, is this true? And you're like, No, it's not true. But 57:10 Speaker 0: I mean, it's like he says things to get a rise out of people. So the fact that I even mentioned him on this podcast has probably given him too much credit. But honestly, 57:19 Speaker 0: I'm just over the fact that there are so many complete buffoons on social media talking about these products and confusing people because that's what's happening is they're just confusing the people that don't understand it like we do. True 57:31 Speaker 2: that. Absolutely. 57:33 Speaker 3: Hey, 1 of 57:34 Speaker 3: the nootropic peptides, 57:37 Speaker 3: what's 57:38 Speaker 3: your favorite 1? I mean, those ones are kind of 57:41 Speaker 3: well, the Cmax, Selanks are easier to feel, but, you know, the Cerebrolysin, Pinealon, Dihexa, you know, I don't know. What's your take on a lot of those? Well, give me just some standouts, some general kind of opinions on life. 57:53 Speaker 0: Don't feel any nootropic peptide other than cerebral izin. 57:56 Speaker 3: Okay. But you do feel that? Yeah. 57:59 Speaker 0: I mean, I noticed, 58:00 Speaker 0: like, how do I say it? Like, 58:03 Speaker 0: if I take 6 mg, you got to take a high dose. If I take 6 mg of Cerebrolysin 58:08 Speaker 0: every other day for 4 weeks, I'll definitely have 58:11 Speaker 0: a little bit stronger cognitive performance throughout the day. And I feel like a little bit more calm. That's 1 of the things it really does is it kind of calms me. Like I think it 58:21 Speaker 0: really relaxes GABA pathways in the body. So I mean, I think that's what it does, but it's also 1 of those peptides where like you can't take too much because your body will be overstimulated with those pathways that it works on. So you can only really do it like a month at a time. And I think that the correct dosage is like every other day or 3 days a week. 58:39 Speaker 0: And then really, like I said, for maybe 4 weeks and then go off of it for 4 to 6 weeks again after that. I feel nothing on Selank. I feel nothing on 58:48 Speaker 0: Cmax. 58:49 Speaker 0: At high doses of Diahexa, I get a little bit of a 58:53 Speaker 0: maybe cognitive enhancement. 58:56 Speaker 0: We sell an oral product called BioMind 58:59 Speaker 0: that has Dihexa, 59:01 Speaker 0: NUPEP, 59:01 Speaker 0: J-one 59:03 Speaker 0: hundred 47, and that's like a stage 2 Alzheimer drug right now that really is And doing 59:08 Speaker 0: a lot in the 59:10 Speaker 0: I feel like a good lift for that, but I can't use, it really just makes everything brighter, I can't use that for very long. 59:17 Speaker 0: I might be able to take it a couple days a week and then after that I gotta go off of it because 59:22 Speaker 0: it loses the effect. I'm 59:24 Speaker 0: not a really good guy to ask about nootropics because I've never really needed nootropics, but the ones that I take, I just don't feel much, but I really do like Cerebrolysin 59:32 Speaker 0: if you can get it. Yeah. 59:33 Speaker 3: I agree. 59:35 Speaker 3: I've, well, 59:36 Speaker 3: as me, you may or may not know, like JD and I both have been sober and so are sober and have been for years for a reason because we like to, we have had some struggles with like real drugs in the past and I'm just not very sensitive to a lot of those things. 59:51 Speaker 3: You know, and obviously I hear different things, but yeah, I'm a tough 1 too. My answer is kind of similar to yours. I got a question. It's hard to feel. With 59:59 Speaker 3: all these at our fingertips, which there's so many and some 1:00:02 Speaker 3: are kind of deads with some are amazing. 1:00:04 Speaker 3: If you could choose 1 and that's the only thing, the only peptide you could take the rest of your life, what would be? 1:00:10 Speaker 0: Man, that's a great question. 1:00:13 Speaker 0: Let me just think about it right now. 1:00:19 Speaker 0: Mean, 1:00:20 Speaker 0: would be right now, it would probably be right at TruTide, 1:00:23 Speaker 0: but then 1:00:25 Speaker 0: it would be whatever comes from that, right? Because I talk about in the book, like the stage 4 and the stage 5 agonists are in the pipeline, right? Like a stage 4 agonist- that look like? Yeah, 1:00:35 Speaker 0: the stage 4 agonist is just myostatin inhibition. So we have it now, right? You can use FLGR 1:00:40 Speaker 0: and take rototrutide 1:00:42 Speaker 0: and you have a stage 4. It's as simple as that, right? But there'll be obviously ones coming that'll be a 1:00:47 Speaker 0: myostatin inhibitor component. 1:00:49 Speaker 0: And then the stage 5 supposedly is going to increase 1:00:52 Speaker 0: brown adiopose tissue formation in your upper back. So it'll 1:00:56 Speaker 0: be basically like being on DNP. 1:00:58 Speaker 0: Wow. You know, your metabolic rate will just increase from just sitting there and walking around. Geez. 1:01:04 Speaker 3: It'll be safe? 1:01:06 Speaker 0: Oh yeah, it'll be safe. I mean, you can take right now, like we just launched, I mean, well, actually we didn't launch. I launched it into my body 4 days ago, but BAM-fifteen. 1:01:16 Speaker 0: We have a product called BioBam and BAM 15 has been in the market for about a year and 0.5, 1:01:22 Speaker 0: but everybody underdoses it because again, it's another example of people not misinterpreting 1:01:26 Speaker 0: the study data and the study is in rats. 1:01:29 Speaker 0: But you have to take at least 500 to 600 mg a day of Bam 15 or you're not going feel So 1:01:35 Speaker 0: we have a product, if you take 3 caps a day, it's 5 75 mg, 120 cap bottle. I literally just got it sent to me on Monday and I started taking it on Tuesday. So today's- 1:01:46 Speaker 1: Ultra running shoes are all about space. 1:01:49 Speaker 1: The space to go further, 1:01:51 Speaker 1: to feel better, 1:01:52 Speaker 1: to do something you never thought possible, and this space starts with UltraFit. 1:01:57 Speaker 1: Unlike traditional running shoes, UltraFit gives toes more room to move naturally, 1:02:02 Speaker 1: so every step is strong, balanced, 1:02:04 Speaker 1: and comfortable. Whatever you're lacing up for, stay out there with Ultra. 1:02:09 Speaker 1: Shop now at ultrarunning.com. 1:02:11 Speaker 1: That's altrarunning.com. 1:02:15 Speaker 0: My 4th day. 1:02:16 Speaker 0: I've been taking 3 cups a day. I've been taking low dose, you know, again, the recommended dose. 1:02:21 Speaker 0: And so far, haven't really noticed anything. It's not increasing my body temperature or anything like that. I mean, again, it's nothing like DMP, 1:02:28 Speaker 0: but it works in similar mechanisms to DMP. So I'll be interested to see, I mean, chief science officer swears that if I take it for a month, I'll notice fat loss. 1:02:37 Speaker 0: But again, it's a product that can't, 1:02:41 Speaker 0: can't be on it for a long time because it's an uncoupler and uncouplers are doing bad things in the body. So you got take a lot of antioxidants. 1:02:47 Speaker 0: You got to take like 1:02:49 Speaker 0: coenzyme Q10, 1:02:51 Speaker 0: NAC. 1:02:53 Speaker 0: What's the other thing? Urolithin A, things like that to really make sure that you're repleting things that are being depleted. 1:03:01 Speaker 0: But I think my answer is probably twofold. I think it's probably going to be Melanotan-one 1:03:07 Speaker 0: because I love the consciousness enhancement. I love getting into stillness. It really helps me meditate and do stuff in the morning when I really want to be like reflective or contemplative or introspective. 1:03:17 Speaker 0: And then for sure, Retta, because it just, it shreds on a fucking microdose. 1:03:23 Speaker 3: It's a damn scientific thinking of the high doses, what do you think 1:03:29 Speaker 3: about SLU-3P and 1:03:31 Speaker 3: how high of a dose should a person run? Let's talk about like oral SLU-3P, right? 1:03:35 Speaker 0: Oral SLU-3P is an amazing product. Absolutely amazing cap. Think they sell 100 mg. What can say? 1:03:42 Speaker 0: Know there's people out there 1:03:44 Speaker 0: making high dose now, but we were the 1st company to make high dose. And I took the low dose product 1:03:49 Speaker 0: right when it 1st came out from Amino- asylum, which is now Soma- Chem's, 1:03:54 Speaker 0: in 2024. 1:03:56 Speaker 0: So I was taking 1:03:58 Speaker 0: low dose SLU-twenty 24 and I was literally taking like 200 micrograms a day and so was my wife and we both got leaner. I mean, we actually did a photo shoot 1:04:08 Speaker 0: on 4 weeks of doing that and we were both like, 1:04:12 Speaker 0: I was probably 6.5%, 7%. I didn't even diet. It was crazy. Now granted, I was still using a microdose of Retta, but both of us got really good results from that. And then, you know, the Gorilla Chemist came to me and was like, Dude, 1:04:24 Speaker 0: this is all wrong. We got to do higher doses of the SLU-3. And I was like, What? And so then I read the research and I was like, Holy fuck. 1:04:31 Speaker 0: So I started taking 200 mg capsules that he actually handmade 1:04:35 Speaker 0: himself from some company in China in, 1:04:38 Speaker 0: I want to say August of last year, and Jesus, man, in literally like 5 weeks, 1:04:44 Speaker 0: I lost at least 1:04:47 Speaker 0: 2 or 3 pounds of pure body fat, like right through here. 1:04:51 Speaker 0: I was just absolutely peeled. 1:04:53 Speaker 0: But there's definitely 1:04:55 Speaker 0: a very 1:04:56 Speaker 0: negative thing, and it's not negative from a health standpoint, but if you take high dose SLU-four 1:05:02 Speaker 0: hundred, 608 hundred milligrams a day- 1:05:05 Speaker 0: it's so powerful of a glycogen, I'm sorry, 1:05:09 Speaker 0: ATP synthase 1:05:11 Speaker 0: producer that you are going to be eating everything in your fucking house. Mean, just 1:05:17 Speaker 0: dramatically ramps 1:05:19 Speaker 2: and 1:05:20 Speaker 0: just again your need for glycogen and carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates. So it's not really, in my opinion, it's not really a drug you want to take around if you want to be shredded or you're dieting for a show or something like that. But if you need to gain size, 1:05:34 Speaker 0: fuck dude, testosterone and 800 mg of SLU-4like 8 weeks in a row is definitely going to put size on you because you're going get Wow, like 1:05:42 Speaker 0: interesting. Crazy, crazy. But it's definitely effective. It also increases 1:05:46 Speaker 0: force production. 1:05:48 Speaker 0: So it does a lot of things from a mitochondrial standpoint. 1:05:52 Speaker 0: I honestly don't think there's any risks to it 1:05:54 Speaker 0: because I've been using it now for, what, fuck, almost it'll be 2 years in July, 1:06:00 Speaker 0: on and off. 1:06:01 Speaker 0: I do think that if you're taking a high dose SLUIP cycle you shouldn't go any longer than 6 to 8 weeks. I think you should and then you should stay off of it for that long. Look, you could actually run 1:06:12 Speaker 0: SLU-3.5 at high dose for 6 to 8 weeks. And by the way, for women, high dose is 200 mg. My wife, if she takes any more than 200 mg, she gets the runs. 1:06:21 Speaker 0: Again, that makes sense, right? Because it's really, really amping your AMPK 1:06:25 Speaker 0: cycle in the body. So it's going to just massively stimulate metabolic uplift 1:06:30 Speaker 0: or whatever you want And call it, 1:06:32 Speaker 0: so you're going to get runs, especially as a woman, a small woman. My wife's tiny. She's five'five, like 127 pounds or 128 pounds. So it really gives her the runs. 1:06:41 Speaker 0: So I think that's the max dosage in women. I think in men, I think we're like 600 1:06:46 Speaker 0: to 800. I've gone up to a gram a day, 1:06:49 Speaker 0: but I didn't notice any difference in 600 1:06:52 Speaker 0: to 800. 1:06:53 Speaker 0: And by the way, it's expensive, right? Because 1:06:56 Speaker 0: we sell Shredmax and it's 100 mg a cap. 1:07:00 Speaker 0: And I think our bottle is 120. Don't quote me on it. It's either 90 to 120. And we sell it for like $499 1:07:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1:07:07 Speaker 0: So, you know, guys are going to be able to run ANNOVAR and Primo for much cheaper niches. Do 1:07:13 Speaker 2: you think though where we're headed with, 1:07:15 Speaker 2: with peptides 1:07:17 Speaker 2: and where it's going, they're going, they're going to rival any type of gear? Cause it sounds like it's, it's kind of approaching it in some forms, but do you ever think it's gonna 1:07:26 Speaker 2: touch gear in any way? 1:07:29 Speaker 2: Probably not. 1:07:30 Speaker 0: I'm not. No. Yes. FLGR. 1:07:32 Speaker 0: So if you give FLGR 1:07:34 Speaker 0: right now, which is again, the recombinant folestatin to somebody who's never touched testosterone, so obviously none of us qualify. Yeah. 1:07:41 Speaker 0: It's pretty fucking insane. 1:07:43 Speaker 0: Wow. Yeah. That's interesting. Like there's a guy I wish I had his pictures right now. I'd share the screen and show them to you guys, but there's 1:07:50 Speaker 0: a guy who's been sending us pictures. He's like 37. 1:07:54 Speaker 0: He's never touched anything, not even clomiphene, 1:07:56 Speaker 0: not even like test booster supplements. 1:07:59 Speaker 0: He started with 2.5 mg in the 1st 4 weeks and then he went to 5 mg the 2nd 4 weeks and he literally looks like a guy who's on tests. Wow. I mean, it's That's insane. 1:08:09 Speaker 0: I 1:08:10 Speaker 0: do think that the 1:08:12 Speaker 0: stage 4 GLPs, 1:08:14 Speaker 0: if they do have an effective myostatin inhibitor and really just FLGR 2.2, 1:08:20 Speaker 0: Sounds like it. I think 1:08:22 Speaker 0: that you'll be able to use that. Now, obviously, I'm never going to speak against testosterone because remember, we want testosterone for the brain effects. Yeah, yeah. 1:08:29 Speaker 0: We want the dopamine signaling. We want that. 1:08:32 Speaker 0: Mean, granted there's some anabolic signaling, but it's mostly brain neural 1:08:37 Speaker 0: pathways and stuff. That's why we went tests. So I don't think there's ever going to be a replacement for that, but I definitely think, 1:08:43 Speaker 0: and I was talking to Brian, the 1:08:45 Speaker 0: about this the other day, I really do think that anabolics that put a lot of risk to our 1:08:50 Speaker 0: vascular profile and our lipid profile and our liver profile, I think that those will be replaced. Really do think that 1:08:57 Speaker 0: I think Anabar, Anovar, Primo, and Winstraw will have no place in a person who's truly looking to be healthy long term. That's right. Awesome. Yeah. You know what I always say, I've always said like, God, I wish I could do more testosterone without getting any bigger. 1:09:09 Speaker 0: Yeah, exactly dude. Exactly. 1:09:12 Speaker 3: It's too bad that 1:09:14 Speaker 3: I was so damn anabolic. 1:09:17 Speaker 0: Yeah dude. And the other thing too is I think as you get older, you guys know this, like, you know, there's definitely, and obviously genetics plays a massive role, but like there's 1:09:25 Speaker 0: definitely a level of testosterone that you can take where you don't have prostate issues. You know what I mean? Because as you get older, 1:09:32 Speaker 0: your prostate grows naturally no matter what. So guys are on androgens or low doses, you know, surgically precise, you know, clinical doses of tests are probably going to have a little bit more hypertrophy. It's not negative in causing cancer, but it will increase the size. So I mean, just means you're going to piss once or twice a night. But I mean, fuck, if you disrupt your sleep when you're in your 50s and 60s, that sucks. You know, it's not the best. You know, you want to sleep at least 6 hours straight or hopefully if you can, 5 hours straight. So 1:10:00 Speaker 0: what's your antidote to that? Is there a way to fix that? Just deal with it. So put it this way, 1:10:06 Speaker 0: I mean, if that's something I've been working on for literally 4 years. I've looked at so many herbs. 1:10:11 Speaker 0: I mean, seriously, I've looked at so many herbs. I've looked at so many adaptogens. 1:10:16 Speaker 0: I'm hopeful that somebody will eventually figure something out that you can 1:10:21 Speaker 0: you know, shrink the increasing size of the prostate as you get older, right now there's really nothing there. There's been some studies done on some really weird 1:10:29 Speaker 0: roots in Africa, but nobody's made it into an elixir or even a capsule yet. It's too expensive. 1:10:35 Speaker 0: So I hold out hope that eventually there will be something because I think right now that's probably the biggest issue for most men over the age of 55 is like BPH. 1:10:44 Speaker 0: You know, having to piss twice a night. And I know guys on testosterone are always in that crowd. I'm 1 of them. I mean, I definitely, if I can sleep, 1:10:51 Speaker 0: if I don't drink any water or drink a protein shake before or I'm sorry, should say after 8 p. M, I usually can go all night only waking up once. 1:11:01 Speaker 0: But if I drink a protein shake or if I eat a steak 1:11:05 Speaker 0: you know, or if I'm drinking like, God knows when you're on SLU-3.5, it massively increases your electrolyte consumption. I mean, I'm waking up twice. I'm waking 1:11:14 Speaker 0: up at 02:45 and then I'm waking up at like 5 again. 1:11:19 Speaker 2: Join the club, brother. Yeah, 1:11:21 Speaker 3: hear you. All right, I guess, you know, we're 1:11:23 Speaker 3: getting low in time, but is there any upcoming events? We talked about this recently. Any upcoming 1:11:29 Speaker 0: peptide conferences that you're excited about or what's the newest, what's the next 1? You going to go to the 1 in Peru that I saw I've been seeing advertised? I didn't even know there was 1 in Peru. I didn't know there was 1 in Peru, but I can definitely tell you guys that we are doing Peptide Palooza. So Peptide Palooza is going to be in Cancun. 1:11:46 Speaker 0: Nice. I want to say either the 3rd or 4th weekend of February next year, it's going be really big. You guys will start seeing ads for it and stuff. 1:11:56 Speaker 0: It's 1:11:57 Speaker 0: basically me and Trevor Kruder and our crews 1:12:00 Speaker 0: So putting it if you guys want to be involved in that, I'll reach out to you and let you know. But I mean, we really want to make it big. Want something 1:12:07 Speaker 0: the opposite of like fucking the seeds bullshit that we went to last year, which is, you know, a fucking joke. 1:12:12 Speaker 2: Dude. What an absolute joke. Hey, man, anywhere we can help with any of what we've talked about, you know, we're 1:12:19 Speaker 2: aligned, 1:12:20 Speaker 2: you know, in all that stuff, So 1:12:23 Speaker 2: I always say I die on this hill, man. So we're fighting big brother. I'm ready. 1:12:28 Speaker 0: Man. Go be a coach. 1:12:29 Speaker 0: Mean, you guys, did you guys want to talk a little bit about testosterone? I know JD said he wanted to talk a little bit about it. Mean, I'm happy to, if you guys want to. Sure. I mean, we can always talk about that. We have a lot of doctors that come on and are you, what are your thoughts on AIs? 1:12:44 Speaker 0: Mean, they're they're 1:12:46 Speaker 0: absolutely cell toxins. They should not be used. 1:12:50 Speaker 0: There's no purpose for an AI. I mean, like, here's the thing is like, 1:12:55 Speaker 0: and obviously I learned this from really, really smart doctors and understand 1:12:59 Speaker 0: the importance of estrogen, healthy levels of estrogen. The 1:13:03 Speaker 0: truth about AIs is that, and this is what you really have to look at them, is that they're literally stage 3 and stage 4 women's breast cancer. That's where they were developed. 1:13:13 Speaker 0: So there's no cellular 1:13:16 Speaker 0: value for an AI 1:13:18 Speaker 0: other than to prevent 1:13:21 Speaker 0: this toxic 1:13:22 Speaker 0: cancerous buildup in a woman's breast tissue. So when you give them to men to suppress estrogen, 1:13:28 Speaker 0: for men who are on therapeutic testosterone, 1:13:31 Speaker 0: only bad things happen. And they really are cell toxins. I've written many, many articles on my books about AIs. 1:13:37 Speaker 0: By the way, when I wrote the book 1:13:40 Speaker 0: you read and then the follow-up, which is the TOT Bible, 1:13:44 Speaker 0: I didn't have the information then that I have now about AIs, and so we really didn't understand it. So in the very early part of using testosterone, 1:13:51 Speaker 0: we thought you wanted to block estrogen. Yeah, of course. Obviously we learned that that's the worst thing you can possibly do. But here's the truth. 1:13:59 Speaker 0: When doctors give men AIs because men are complaining of high estrogen symptoms, they don't have high estrogen symptoms. There's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms. What they have is insulin resistance. 1:14:12 Speaker 0: And men with belly fat, men that drink too much alcohol, men that consume lots of sugar based drinks, 1:14:19 Speaker 0: they are getting an inflammatory 1:14:21 Speaker 0: cascade from their testosterone 1:14:23 Speaker 0: that's creating what their doctor, and of course they think are high estrogen symptoms, which are again, 1:14:30 Speaker 0: imbalance or alteration, 1:14:31 Speaker 2: itchy nips, 1:14:33 Speaker 0: water retention down 1:14:35 Speaker 0: here in the waist. I mean, all of those things are due to insulin resistance and it's truly unfortunate that doctors don't understand this. 1:14:44 Speaker 0: And lot of bodybuilders like pros, and I had this conversation with Ben Pakulski when we did our Landmark podcast back in 2019, I think it was 2018 actually, 1:14:52 Speaker 0: that really was like the biggest testosterone podcast ever. It had like 1000000 views on 1:14:58 Speaker 0: YouTube. I think it still does or is over it, I guess, now. But Ben and I went really deep and Ben said, Look, goes, I always knew when I was competing 1:15:06 Speaker 0: that it was terrible because when I took it 1:15:09 Speaker 0: And he said he would only take it at the 1:15:11 Speaker 0: end of his prep because he couldn't get water off his hamstrings. 1:15:15 Speaker 0: It was the only way that he could take it. He was taking aromasin, but he said it literally felt like its head was in a vice 1:15:21 Speaker 0: when he was on it. And so he knew that it was toxic. He just knew it. He's very sensitive. Obviously, he's very spiritually connected guy, too. And so he just was like, I will never take that. And so when I told him, because he didn't know the level of I knew about the science of it, it all made sense to him. And that's when he was like, Fuck man. He's like, You really got to get this information out because there's too many guys that are bodybuilders that are taking this and they think it's great because they're on 2 g of tests a week and blah blah blah. But look man, 1:15:49 Speaker 0: the studies are out there. 1:15:51 Speaker 0: If you take a high dose of an AI as a testosterone using man, not a bodybuilder, not a competitor, just a guy 1:15:59 Speaker 0: on 2 50 to 200 mg a week, whatever, 1:16:02 Speaker 0: and you take it for 10 years, you've 100% shortened your lifespan. 100%. 1:16:07 Speaker 0: 100%. 1:16:09 Speaker 0: If you look at what AIs do 1:16:11 Speaker 0: intercellularly, 1:16:13 Speaker 0: I mean, are just terrorizing 1:16:15 Speaker 0: everything. 1:16:16 Speaker 0: There is nothing It's good about 1:16:18 Speaker 0: the same thing as DHT inhibitors. Same pathways, 1:16:22 Speaker 0: same bad results. 1:16:23 Speaker 0: As you guys know, some guys get finasteride syndrome, 1:16:28 Speaker 0: PFS, and it's the worst thing ever. They kill themselves. They literally kill themselves. And that's like a genetic component. There are some people that have horrible results for taking a DHT inhibitor and other guys can take high dosages of them and never even had a side effect, but they're still 1:16:43 Speaker 0: fucking up their cells. 1:16:45 Speaker 0: And that's the problem with these things. 1:16:48 Speaker 0: When I wrote these articles back in 2020, I think it was 2021 about DHT inhibitors and AIs, 1:16:53 Speaker 0: I think we said you're robbing Peter to pay Paul, right? So you're getting some sort of a blockage for whatever it is you're looking for, whether it's follicular 1:17:02 Speaker 0: mineralization in the scalp for DHT 1:17:05 Speaker 0: or 1:17:06 Speaker 0: lack of water retention, because obviously AIs do take water retention away or maybe even remove the itchy sensation at your nipples. 1:17:13 Speaker 0: But it's all short term gain for long term suffering. 1:17:18 Speaker 0: That's- So if they're getting those gyno symptoms, 1:17:20 Speaker 2: itchy nipples, 1:17:22 Speaker 2: where that gland is starting to grow, they're getting zits on their chest or their back, what would be your play with that? 1:17:29 Speaker 0: Gyno, yeah, it's a great question. So gyno, 1:17:32 Speaker 0: this 1:17:33 Speaker 0: is a 1:17:34 Speaker 0: great question. It takes a smart answer. So gyno is genetic, 1:17:39 Speaker 0: but guys that get 1:17:41 Speaker 0: sensitive nipples 1:17:42 Speaker 0: doesn't mean they have the gyno gene or they don't have the gyno situation because the sensitivity is 1:17:49 Speaker 0: if it's itching but not pronounced, and the reason that I know this is because I have both of my, I have the gene and I had 1:17:56 Speaker 0: the tissues removed. Yeah, me too. Right? So I had 2 separate surgeries in my life. 1:18:01 Speaker 0: I interviewed way back when, 1:18:04 Speaker 0: even after I wrote the 1st book, Doctor. Joseph Cruz, who's out by you guys. The guy completely went insane, but he was the world's top 1:18:11 Speaker 0: gyno surgeon. He did like 7,000 gyno surgeries. He won all these awards. 1:18:16 Speaker 0: Him and I became friends. But anyway, he went off the deep end. I think he had like a pain addiction, 1:18:22 Speaker 0: so I think he dropped out of society. But he was the top gyno surgeon in the world and him and I got into detailed conversations. But when he was performing gyno surgery 1:18:32 Speaker 0: in 2015, 1:18:33 Speaker 0: 2016 and 2017, he didn't know that gyno was genetic. 1:18:36 Speaker 0: It wasn't until Doctor. Anthony Jay in 2018 started coding through 23andMe 1:18:41 Speaker 0: genetic 1:18:42 Speaker 0: readouts that he found that there was a gyno gene. And 64 1:18:47 Speaker 0: percent of all men have gyno gene. Wow. Now does that actually mean? It doesn't mean that you're ever going to get gyno, but if you obviously take testosterone or anabolic steroids or get really fat, 1:18:58 Speaker 0: the likelihood that the gyno expression, 1:19:01 Speaker 0: meaning the glandular expression happens is very high. And there's no solution except 1:19:06 Speaker 0: surgical excision. 1:19:08 Speaker 0: You cannot take raloxifene 1:19:10 Speaker 0: or 1:19:11 Speaker 0: Dolvadex 1:19:12 Speaker 0: or Arobazin 1:19:13 Speaker 0: or any AI. Those are just temporary band aids. They mediate the symptoms, but they absolutely 1:19:20 Speaker 0: do not solve the issue. And so as you know, lot of bodybuilders, a lot of guys are ashamed of their 1:19:25 Speaker 0: gyno and so they take shit to suppress it, but they're not fixing it. So I always tell people, man, look, dude, if you 1:19:32 Speaker 0: got the gyno gene and you have gyno, just get it cut out. Hell yeah, man. Best decision I ever made, dude. Of course, bro. I mean, 100%. 1:19:40 Speaker 0: Yeah, cause you're, you're walking around and you're embarrassed to take your shirt off. Yeah, 1:19:44 Speaker 0: exactly. And it burns. As you know, it burns your kids come up and hug you and you're like, fuck. 1:19:49 Speaker 3: All right. How about HCG running, running concurrently with testosterone? What's your current view? Yeah. What do you think? 1:19:56 Speaker 0: I I think HCG is great, but here's the thing, if you don't want kids, you don't need it. You don't need it at all. If 1:20:03 Speaker 0: you want giant, fleshy, 1:20:05 Speaker 0: sacky porno balls hanging down, then go ahead. 1:20:09 Speaker 0: Ahead and inject HCG. But I've always said this, and again, I learned from really smart doctors who've mentored me, 1:20:15 Speaker 0: you're giving yourself 2 androgen 1:20:18 Speaker 0: pulses if you're giving yourself HCG a test. Now look, if you're a young guy and you want kids, you have no option. 1:20:24 Speaker 0: You have to take a micro dose of HCG or HMG and HCG 1:20:29 Speaker 0: together are much better than But them in 1:20:32 Speaker 0: when you get older like us and we're done having kids, you don't need HCG at all. Absolutely not. 1:20:38 Speaker 3: Unless you want bigger balls. Exactly. 1:20:41 Speaker 0: And I think, and I've always said this, for guys like us, they're doing cardio and shit, like big, hangy, fleshy, sacky balls is fucking ridiculous. That's how you get injured. You ride a bike. I'm 1:20:54 Speaker 0: on HCG, man. 1:20:58 Speaker 0: Mean, people will be like, Oh, but my wife loves my fluffy balls. I'm like, Dude, your wife just got your dick. 1:21:04 Speaker 0: She doesn't give a fuck about your balls. She'll lift them. Tell you care about your balls. 1:21:10 Speaker 2: Jake Campbell, we love you dude. It's 1:21:13 Speaker 2: you never disappoint, man. We gotta get you, like if you're in Cali, man, let's get you live. I'll 1:21:17 Speaker 0: definitely come down there and sit down with you guys. Be awesome. We'll top it up. I will honestly, I'll be there. 1:21:23 Speaker 0: I'll probably be there in June for sure. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Stop by, What's up? Us know about the, about the Cancun. Well, I'm gonna connect 1:21:32 Speaker 0: you guys with Jeff Cohen's office as soon as this call's over. Yeah, Yes. 1:21:37 Speaker 0: JD, give me Will's or just have Will text me so I can put you guys together. Yep. And I'll connect you guys with them. And then, yeah, Peptide Palooza, 1:21:48 Speaker 0: give me about a week because we're building a deck for it right now, but a 100% I want, I only want people like us, right? I don't want any fucking retards. No retards coming. You know, there's going to be some audience people 1:22:00 Speaker 0: that will be newbies and stuff, but that's cool. We want them getting good information. But you know, my goal with this is 1:22:06 Speaker 0: 2 days of actual real, 1:22:10 Speaker 0: JD Denham, Jay Campbell, Will House education. 1:22:14 Speaker 0: Teaching people how to stack, what to use, what's the best thing, dosing. 1:22:18 Speaker 0: None of the shit that 1:22:20 Speaker 0: Seeds is afraid to talk about. We're not going be talking about colostrum. 1:22:24 Speaker 0: You know what I mean? 1:22:26 Speaker 0: And then we'll definitely have dinners at night. 1:22:29 Speaker 0: I think the way we're going do this, and again, it's still being worked out, but we're going to have 1 main room 1:22:34 Speaker 0: where people will present 1:22:36 Speaker 0: And then in the secondary room will be hands on stuff. 1:22:39 Speaker 0: So there'll be people literally showing how to use peptide pens, 1:22:43 Speaker 0: like how to stack, 1:22:45 Speaker 0: where to inject, all that kind of stuff. So real hands on shit that you can get away with in Mexico. 1:22:50 Speaker 0: And then obviously every night we'll have like a dinner and I think pretty sure it's gonna be Thursday and Friday on Saturday night for people that stay for the weekend, because I'm sure most people will. We'll probably have like a giant fucking DJ event 1:23:02 Speaker 0: type thing. So it'll be epic. 1:23:04 Speaker 2: Love it, man. Sounds awesome. So, well, cool, man. Do you wanna leave where anybody can find you? Believe most people probably know, but where's the easiest place to find you? Yeah, man, for sure. Appreciate you guys asking. 1:23:16 Speaker 0: So on social, when I'm not shadow banned, 1:23:20 Speaker 0: I don't even give my IG account anymore. I do have a backup account. It's jcampbell1971, 1:23:25 Speaker 0: which is my birth year, 1:23:27 Speaker 0: but it's a small account. It's got like 3,000 followers. Then 1:23:31 Speaker 0: on Axe is where I do most of my damage, so that's JCampbell333. 1:23:35 Speaker 0: Everything else is just so fucking suppressed and shadow banned. I am on YouTube 1:23:40 Speaker 0: and LinkedIn, but I mean, again, you can't find me. It's insane how suppressed I am there. Obviously 1:23:45 Speaker 0: my website 1:23:47 Speaker 0: is where really the bulk of my work is. Do, at last count, I think I have 113 1:23:53 Speaker 0: articles now that are in the top 5 rankings on Google. So that's, you know, for the people like Will that actually can fucking read still, 1:24:02 Speaker 0: that's where they find me realistically because they're like, Oh shit. 1:24:06 Speaker 0: The smart people that still read, that's where they find me because all the articles are there and they're all for free. So again, it's just jacampbell.com. 1:24:13 Speaker 0: And then 1:24:14 Speaker 0: is a domain for people to get all my books for free. It's jcampbell.com/freeinfo. 1:24:21 Speaker 0: So it's jcampbell.com/freeinfo 1:24:23 Speaker 0: and they can download every single book I've ever written, which as of now is 9. 1:24:29 Speaker 0: Book 10, I didn't tell you guys about that, is coming out this year. And it's actually being ghostwritten by, 1:24:36 Speaker 0: I guess I can let the cat out of the bag, it's being ghostwritten by the number 1 ghostwriter in the world. 1:24:41 Speaker 0: So he's the guy that writes books for like all these celebrities, 1:24:44 Speaker 0: know, the Tony Robbins of the world and stuff like that. So 1:24:47 Speaker 0: I have no idea what he's writing. It's kind of like a gag. 1 of my partners was like, I want to do this for you because I want to see what they put out compared to what you put out just to see. That's 1:24:57 Speaker 0: hilarious. I know they're to write about Clotho and Follistatin, and then they're going to write about like our lifestyle, you know, like what type 1:25:05 Speaker 0: of person does these things? 1:25:07 Speaker 0: And so I think they're going to come from that angle and then they're going to just kind of talk about me, but honestly it's all, it's being completely written without any of my influence. Oh wow. That's interesting. So I have no idea. I mean, I get to see the final transcript or manuscript at the very end and I can kind of say, you can't do You'll go away with me. 1:25:23 Speaker 0: Wanted to just You missed the mark, too. I'm 1:25:26 Speaker 0: sure it'll be like a roast. It'll probably be like some sort of a roast, right? But I mean, they definitely are definitely trying to 1:25:32 Speaker 0: position it for people to find out about these amazing molecules 1:25:36 Speaker 0: because they're game changing. Oh, and let me just give you guys 1 last bonus. 1:25:39 Speaker 0: So Mike Farber, the chemist, he's also got another product coming which is insane 1:25:45 Speaker 0: and it's called Lepto 3GR. 1:25:47 Speaker 0: And I'm not joking when I tell you guys this. It is literally a super Retatrutide. 1:25:51 Speaker 0: So it 1:25:53 Speaker 0: binds somewhere between 5 1:25:55 Speaker 0: Well, I mean, obviously there's 3 different receptors with the triple agonist, but each definite receptor 1:26:01 Speaker 0: binds somewhere between 7 and 15 times harder than retreutide. So you'd literally, you ready for this? You can take 50 1:26:10 Speaker 0: micrograms in an entire month 1:26:13 Speaker 0: and get better appetite suppression, insulin signaling and nutrient partitioning than Retrutide right now. Holy shit. Damn. It'll be much cheaper and 1:26:22 Speaker 0: a lot smaller dose. 1:26:24 Speaker 0: But we definitely don't know the dosing strategies yet because it's such a new product, but he is using it with a bunch of women overseas and he's seeing insane results. By the way, no nausea, 1:26:34 Speaker 0: no side effects. It's so small. It takes literally like 12 days to feel anything, but you just take a tiny, tiny amount and maybe he thinks like 2 injections a month. Wow. That's amazing. That's right. You better protect that from 1:26:47 Speaker 0: yeah. Oh yeah, no, no. Everything he makes is patented and trademarked and he's 1:26:52 Speaker 0: a beast with IP. He doesn't let anybody go after it and stuff. So we'll see. But my hope is they want to sell it. They want to start selling it in May, but I'm like, guys, we don't have enough data. 1:27:01 Speaker 0: You know, we got to have people use it 1st. 1:27:05 Speaker 0: For you. So anyway, that's coming. That'll be the next product in his 3 products, but I'm pretty sure that Ghostwriter is going to write about that product too, because I think they want this book to come out in September. 1:27:14 Speaker 2: Oh, that's cool, man. Good stuff. Means you made it, man. Well, it was a blast, man. We'll do it again soon and give us contact information. We'll jump on board with you, man. It's 1:27:24 Speaker 0: been a pleasure, my friend. You guys, man, I love you both, man. It was an honor. And I'm, you know, whenever you need me, I'm there and hopefully I'll see you in by June. All right, brother. Pleasure to meet you. He'll actually speak to you in person. Well, kind of virtually. 1:27:36 Speaker 2: All right. All right. You got it, my man. Alright, guys. We'll catch you next time. You guys take care.