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0:27Speaker 1I'm your host JD Denham, and it's always my good buddy, my business partner and my friend,
0:32Speaker 1William T Haas, right across the way. What's up, dude? What's up? I'm not done yet though. I'm not done yet, ladies and gentlemen. And we have our 1st guest
0:53Speaker 1I might slip up and say, Scotty, because I've known him before. He was doctor before his name. I've known him for 30 years. Good friend of mine. You're actually the godfather of my daughter, so that's how close we are. He's
1:04Speaker 1here to talk about some cool stuff and we'll get into that shortly, but welcome to the show, dude. Thank you. It's great to be here. Thanks again for having me back, appreciate it. Yeah, that last 1 was episode was great.
1:20Speaker 2that we've done this. Oh, that's right. You didn't really have much of a camera. You're like, I don't know. I think my computer's got a camera on it, maybe. Oh, shit. Or a whole guy is in computers. A microphone?
1:38Speaker 1fun. So 1 of the cool things that we talk about and 1 of the things I love sitting down and having this podcast in particular with Will is because we freaking love this stuff. We'll end up having these conversations
1:57Speaker 1And you're the same. You're the same. You're going to be, you and I will get on the phone and talk about different supplements, just like Will and I would talk about different supplements. So this should be a lot of fun. 3 dudes that love to talk about
2:09Speaker 1this stuff. So for you guys at home, what we're going to talk about is I think we're going to start with some blood work because that's, we're going to be talking about testosterone replacement and some different things in testosterone.
2:20Speaker 1But because we're talking about hormones, hormones are going to be a little bit separate to peptides. I don't think you necessarily need your blood work for peptides.
2:49Speaker 1unlike any doctor that I've ever sat So let's talk a little bit about blood work, why it's important, why men,
3:10Speaker 3always want to get a baseline 1st of all, right? If you're going to start on any type of a hormone, you kind of want to see where you're at naturally.
3:22Speaker 3you got to retest after, but I usually retested about 6 weeks and run those levels to make sure that we're not over, we're not under. After you start? After you start. Yeah. Okay. But before that, even backing up before that, you also want to look at other things on the blood work because,
3:37Speaker 3know, hormones do affect blood work. We know that, right? And it could be in a positive way and sometimes it could be in a negative way. There are people who come to me that I might ask them because their blood work is such a disaster.
3:48Speaker 3There might be things that I might ask them to do 1st to maybe get a little healthier 1st before
3:57Speaker 3man, if you had like elevated homocyst levels, you might have inflammatory markers that elevated really high hematocrit.
4:04Speaker 3If there's signs of blood clots, things like that, high fibrinogen levels, these are markers that are telling me that this patient
4:12Speaker 3not very healthy and adding in hormones at this point might, it could actually fuel the fire.
4:19Speaker 3So, I'm always going to kind of recommend looking at, you know, it's kind of a larger panel. It's a good base anyways because it allows the patient to know,
4:28Speaker 3where they're at in their health, where they're at, where they headed. People kind of mean they haven't had blood work for 10 years. 10 years, man. And they have no idea. And they want to jump on testosterone because
4:37Speaker 3They don't feel good. Because they want to feel good. They want to get an erection or something like that, right? I mean, it's like, okay, back up a 2nd. Know, testosterone does so much more than that, by the way, and we'll talk about that, right, JD? But, I think just doing things the right way, making sure that, you know, you're a candidate, which most people are, right? Most men are, especially hitting 40 right now. I'm seeing, you know, there's I'm seeing these levels are a bit on the floor to the floor and we know that physiologically
5:04Speaker 3has so many benefits to the human body, right? It's not just about what we just, you know, rushed on. Obviously. So yeah, the obvious, you know, but there's so many deep, you know, benefits that I think that, you know, it's important. And when I say physiologically,
5:23Speaker 3lot of guys come to me and they're like, they've been on it for 5 years. They've been doing 200, running 200 mg on Scipione for 5 years and their blood work's a disaster. It's like, woah, wait, let's back up. Let's
5:34Speaker 3sit on that for a 2nd because like disaster meaning what? Just lipid panels are off. Homocysteine is high, which is, you know, that's bad, right? We see inflammatory
5:45Speaker 3which, know, having elevated iron is extremely inflammatory to the body, right? It's very inflammatory.
5:54Speaker 3when guys are running this for so long and they've never gotten checked. You know, there is a science behind it. And on top of that, this is the most important thing. There's things that you need to do when you're gonna be taking TRT.
6:08Speaker 3Because what happens is, you get these estrogenic effects and then guess what happens? There's so many guys out there and women out there that do not, their bodies are not detoxifying very well.
6:31Speaker 3pathway. You gotta make sure that those are working well. So how do you do that? What affects them? What affects that from not working well? Just food? Lack of methylation.
6:55Speaker 3that really, you need some of it, but when you have too much of it, you're going to get your Estrogen is just gonna just build up in your tissues. This is why guys are getting acne. They're getting bitched tittin, AKA gynecomastia.
7:10Speaker 3right? Women are getting breast cancers and cervical cancers. It's because they are not detoxifying estrogen very well. So you got to methylate.
7:21Speaker 3These are products that you want to take while you are on TRT. You want to take fish oil, bergamot, nattokinase
7:29Speaker 3to keep the blood thin, right? Because hematocrit goes up, you're going to produce more red blood cells when you're on testosterone, so you're going to get that thickness of the blood. So you want take things that naturally thin the blood, fish oil, turmeric,
7:40Speaker 3great things that just naturally thin out the blood. Drinking a lot of water, of course, right? So there's
7:54Speaker 1Testosterone eventually converts to DHT. That's what harms the prostate. I think that's what causes so many men are worried about that 1 in particular. I'm not gonna lose my hair. Well, it's possible, but like, like, like I wear hat all the time. I don't know. I'm kind of thinning out Yeah.
8:14Speaker 1as you age, you start to lose your hair, but it does, does, DHT is going to affect your hair.
8:20Speaker 1The prostate. So do you want to have energy and sex drive and all these other things and then like worry about that could be affecting it or, like, you know what I mean? But there's ways to minimize that. There's ways to minimize the estrogenic effects and minimize the DHT effects, and that's through Without purely just taking finasteride and Yeah. I'm talking about just leaving that out. Doing
8:39Speaker 3it naturally, right? Naturally, you could do it 1 in a person naturally. And then it also depends on frequency of dosing. That's huge, right? How we dose our testosterone is huge
8:49Speaker 3spikes where the big spikes, you're going to get that aromatization of estrogen, which guess what?
8:54Speaker 3What happens if you're not detoxifying that? That's when you really become a disaster. Okay.
8:59Speaker 3You get those spikes, you're going have more DHT conversion. That's when you're going to have prostate enlargement, when you're going to have bald hair
9:06Speaker 1I mean, dude, sitting on that and like, that's great. That's awesome. Like if you have, if you're been listening to this and you didn't know about how important blood work is, there it is my job. Like you have to stay ahead of the curve. Like you don't know what your body's doing. All these things affect each other. So I'm
9:25Speaker 1tired, so I get into testosterone. It's so much deeper than that dude. Like, and what I was curious about in the beginning when you started talking about how you're
9:38Speaker 3possibly going towards a heart attack or something like that, if you pull their blood work, is it you look at the inflammation? So you're not directly looking at inflammation. You're looking at markers that give you a sign that there is inflammation in the body. Right. You want to look at the LDL particle size and particle number. You want to look at the VLDL particle size and particle number. Homocysteine is huge in that. That's kind of 1 of the markers I look at right now that really I say, okay, homocysteine is elevated. You're not methylating. If you're not methylating, you're not detoxifying
10:04Speaker 3estrogen, right? So it's a good indicator for me to know like this patient needs a little bit of assistance, a little bit of help 1st. Sometimes there's genetic issues. The MTHFR gene, all kind of have probably heard about that, right? Where we have a defect in being able to methylate. Well, you gotta find that out. Sometimes people have that issue, so you need to address that and that needs to be addressed 1st before you're gonna be going into any type of a program.
10:32Speaker 2that be something you ask somebody to do? Sure. Yeah. Fasting is great for detoxification.
10:36Speaker 3Detoxify your liver. What about donating blood? I think that donating blood every 6 months is a great rule of thumb. I just had a patient just ask me just an hour ago.
10:45Speaker 3Hey, he showed me a blood bank. He goes, how often you know, he's on TRT. How often should I be doing that? I guess every 6 months. Yeah. You know, just to try to keep that, you know, blood volume. Donated blood to the Red Cross. A, it's a good thing because they need blood. Yeah. For sure. B,
10:57Speaker 2well, 1st of all, they do ask you, maybe I shouldn't have been to this on camera, but like, yes, I'm taking testosterone. They ask you if you're taking that stuff because they don't really want your blood. Although I still donated and thinking, well, shit, I hope they can use it. And they've like bugged me. They keep calling me back and I'll still go donate a bit for 6 months. But they're like, yeah, great. Your blood is awesome. We want more of it. Oh, cool. I was Sometimes I didn't think that that was gonna happen. I thought they were gonna
11:21Speaker 2throw this away. Because not every man does it. I don't do that nearly as much as 6 months. Because it's cool. Like we are men are a closed system, right? And as far as blood goes, right? So we just circulate the same blood.
11:44Speaker 2you know, bloodletting was, and they actually were kind of onto something, although they did that for everything,
11:49Speaker 2right? Any sickness like, well, no, let's just cut them and let's cut and let's them bleed them out and maybe in the butt. Mean, it's because your body makes new blood. Yeah. And that's new clean blood. So
11:59Speaker 1that is 1 thing. So that's good to know that it's I think it's a good rule of thumb to do that. Like you said, you just nailed it. It's good for it's a win win situation. Yeah. Right, right. It's not a bad thing. Not a bad thing. Well, like comparable to what you just said and 1 of the things I'll tell you with Scott going through my blood work and I know how deep he goes and I know how it took, what do we talk when we last time a blood work hour and 0.5? I'm like, dude, I got it. I got it. Like, but like, you go deep,
12:25Speaker 1comparable to the degree where like a typical medical doctor, you go, some dude, some dude goes in to get his blood work done by just a typical medical doctor compared to the panel that you run, which is a lot deeper.
12:37Speaker 1What's the difference? Cause they run a very small, most will run a very small blood panel. Is that enough? What most doctors are running? Like not even close, right? No, no. It doesn't give you a picture of what's going on with someone's true health. Do you know offhand
12:52Speaker 2off the top of your head or notes? Like what panels do you run? I know it's a long list of check marks. Do you know all of the panels that you actually run when you ask the patient to run, Glenn?
13:03Speaker 3Can you validate them? Okay, no. There's so many different panels. Yeah, I mean, they're not all blood, right? Some of them are genetic panels, some of them are stool tests, some of them are urine panels depending on what the patient really needs.
13:17Speaker 3in the box for really getting a good analysis on a patient's health. There's organic acids, people
13:23Speaker 3wanting to kind of look more towards the mitochondrial side, right? Like, you could do an organics acid test. I mean, there's just so many different tests to run to just kind of see where you're at in that whole
13:34Speaker 2physiological system in your body. Right? Good. I just have friends, like I have a friend who's got insurance and he's like, all right, I'm gonna go get my blood, my blood tested. And he goes to his doctor
13:43Speaker 2and he doesn't really know what he's doing. He's like, doc, I wanna get my, like, my I wanna get my testosterone checked. The doctor's like, oh, okay, cool. And just marks off the 1 panel. Yeah. Right? Does the- No free testosterone. Right? And, yeah, no free- And literally just
13:55Speaker 2blows his, you know, 1 blood test a year covered by insurance, right, for a total testosterone. Calls him back and he's like, go ahead. Got your total testosterone. There it is. And it's 2 50, and he says on what? Because No. You're good. It's too high. 39. You're good. You're totally normal, bro. You didn't run any other tests.
14:13Speaker 1Like I'll ask you because when was doing the fitness stuff and like having blood work ran, I mean, I don't know where near like your knowledge obviously, but like
14:35Speaker 1They're like, no offense, but like, you wonder why I have a problem with some of the doctors. Come on dude. You know, some guys take like finasteride.
14:55Speaker 3if you run their free, it's like 2 or 3, you know what I mean? It's like to the floor.
15:03Speaker 1know, Will and I will get this allowed, just friends that we talk to and because, you know, because of what we do and,
15:09Speaker 1you have people that don't want to take testosterone. And Will and I are always like, Take the testosterone.
15:15Speaker 1Like, listen, each is on them. We're both fans of like, live and let live. So you get someone that doesn't want to take testosterone.
15:26Speaker 1And if somebody doesn't want to take testosterone, how do you approach that? Cause we all here know how
15:33Speaker 1amazing and especially for anybody 40, but anybody with these types of levels that are coming back,
15:43Speaker 1No. You will talk to them out of it. Well, if they don't want to run it, don't want take testosterone.
15:49Speaker 2Their testosterone is really low and obvious and they are hurting, displaying all the signs that they're like, I will not take testosterone. Clomiphene. Do you try to say, okay, fine, let's take
16:08Speaker 3man. I mean, and- Why not just take this other thing? Well, listen, I'll talk about this too. You know, lot of will say, well, I'm gonna go get the
16:15Speaker 3The cream. The creams or gel. Right? Yeah. Dude, I've never seen anybody happy. Have you? No. No one's happy with the creams. You know, man, you gotta you gotta get the injection if you ask me that. It's just it's a game changer, right? As we know. So- Yep. Well, let's, okay. So blood work, that would be another time. We'll come to where we can do a little deeper because, I mean, we use our blood work forever. I'm super into it. That's so intriguing.
16:36Speaker 1So, but we came here to talk about some of our favorite subject was going to be testosterone replacement. So
16:42Speaker 1I feel like I know quite a bit, but I'm with 2 dudes that know a lot more, even than me about like Esters and things like that. Let's break down the Esters because Will and I have never really even tapped on that. We were kind of thinking of what we wanted to talk with you, but let's dig into some of the Esther's dude and what they do and why they're different and why different men like them and blah, blah, blah. I mean, let's kind of dig into how many there are, why they're different, why certain men should take them and kind of go start from there. Do think? Let me answer that question, but I do want to make sure that we ask you,
17:12Speaker 2just give everybody kind of the long list of all of the benefits that testosterone provides Maybe,
17:17Speaker 2I mean, if you want to do it now before we get into it, just as a more like basics- I have a cheat sheet here. Okay. Because there's so many- Where do I start?
17:25Speaker 2Tell the people why, what testosterone does. If you're home Why, yeah, why somebody wants to take it? What are the good things? And bad things. Let's let's be even. So let's let's talk about that. Yeah. So, you know, know, most men
17:39Speaker 3will be for libido. Men, it's gonna be for libido. It's gonna be for erection purposes and motivation and energy. That's kind of why people get their Right? Attention for So I always like to say, well, you know,
17:56Speaker 3bone, gut, neurological health. Nobody really had thought, what? I didn't know that. So here, so just to check it out. Improves focus, concentration, working memory, enhances verbal, memory, and spatial ability.
18:24Speaker 3diseases, enhances dopamine signaling, improves sleep quality, better blood vessel dilation, coronary blood flow, exercise
18:33Speaker 3cardiac output decreases insulin resistance, decreases visceral fat, increases lean muscle mass,
18:41Speaker 3decrease. That's a big 1, right? Because all you hear is, Oh, it can cause heart attacks. No, it's the opposite. Decreases triglycerides,
19:13Speaker 3That's where your body kind of stops moving things through the gut. Right? Increases microbial diversity. That's the microbiome.
19:20Speaker 3It increases the gut microbes. You want a lot of diversity in the gut. You want a lot of different bacteria in the gut. Those are your probiotics,
19:33Speaker 3Here's a big 1. Enhances the tight junctions of the gut. We've all, you know, people are hearing about leaky gut gut permeability.
19:42Speaker 3the lumen of the gut and that's important because with that lumen gets open and that's when we start having problems with systemic issues and things like that. I'm almost done here. Reduces
19:57Speaker 3activity that increases bone density, improves bone mineral density, reduces fracture risk.
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20:45Speaker 3Aging. Men, as we age, we start to lose our triceps, we start to lose our butt, right? That's called sarcopenia.
20:51Speaker 3It reduces that ability to, you know, to have that happen, right? Improves collagen synthesis,
21:14Speaker 3needs to be converted to T3 to make that thyroid hormone available to do what it does to our cells.
21:22Speaker 3I mean, so as you were reading that, I don't know what you were thinking about, but like, if you're sitting at home,
21:33Speaker 1or whatever, your testosterone is where a lot of they are, even 30 year olds are under 3 and
21:38Speaker 1you aren't running to the doctor right now, what are you doing? Listen to that. Like it's not just to
21:44Speaker 1increase sex drive. He'll on and on. He just read a list that like, that took like 5 minutes. So- Now personally,
21:51Speaker 1I don't like, so here's the- No, no, I'm just saying like, that's awesome. That's awesome. What I was thinking is I don't like the news because I don't believe anybody who just tells me 1 side is all awesome and the other side is just terrible. Right? And this is what the news, so
22:05Speaker 2tell us, so be, so, so what are the biggest, in your opinion, are what the biggest problems with testosterone?
22:12Speaker 2are the biggest problems that you can see resulting from people taking testosterone? That's
22:22Speaker 3problem if you do it correctly. Right? I think, like I said, the biggest problem I'm seeing is
22:28Speaker 3the injection frequency might be just once a week. So you're flooding the estrogen, you're getting the DHT.
22:34Speaker 3Think the next problem is not knowing how much you really need. Remember, I get it. There's guys that want to bulk up.
22:44Speaker 3Cycle it then, man. Mean, go up and then bring it back down because if you- Cruising blast. I see you got the guys coming in at $202.50,
22:52Speaker 3300 for, they've been on it for a long time. My guys, guys have been running that for- Well, let me, let's stop there for a 2nd. That's interesting. So
22:59Speaker 1that, where is the cutoff for like a TRT dose? Because we will and I kinda like, I'm gonna offer an opinion on that and it's somewhat of an opinion, but let's answer that. Where what would you say would be a cutoff between
23:11Speaker 1a TRT dose? Because it's gonna obviously what your levels are, but like where it blends over into a, like a steroid cycle. It's gonna be different for
23:20Speaker 1everybody. Sure, sure, You know what I mean? And there's so many factors that play in that role. And let's take those out though. Let's take those out as it converts to estrogen and all the negatives that could be,
23:30Speaker 1but would you say there would be like a threshold if you had to answer that? A better way to answer that, ask that is, if you had to answer that, where would be that general
24:09Speaker 1your protein cells. Not running anything, dude. Yeah. It's much, much, much lower than that. Good to say. All right, let's go.
24:17Speaker 3And again, remember I've been running the blood work. I'm doing the data here. I see the data. So
24:21Speaker 3I'll see guys that are running about 150 mg a week. And that seems to be kind of like, I feel like that seems to be for this.
24:32Speaker 3About 125 to 150 mg per week seems to be that sweet spot for your health. And what I'm seeing on that, I'm seeing a total testosterone anywhere from 700 to 1,000 on that. Just to let you know. Right? That's good. And then I'm seeing a free right around 25 to maybe 40 in that right there. So
24:49Speaker 3when I start seeing guys coming into at 202 50 and they're staying on that for a long period of time, I'm already seeing problems. They've been running that for a year, 10 As
24:58Speaker 3far as blood work goes. Yeah, like what? Like what we discussed, I'm seeing elevations in the lipids, the particle size, the particle numbers of homocysteine.
25:06Speaker 3I'm seeing elevations in ferritin. I'm seeing iron levels come up. Iron, very toxic, right? Seeing ferritin, total iron percent saturation. We're seeing these
25:18Speaker 3reports that are telling me red flag, man, you gotta, you gotta, if you want to run that for a while, you'll give it 8 weeks, bring it back down though.
25:28Speaker 1so, and then- So when would you generally start like a typical person that like obviously run their blood work? What would you generally start them on 150 then? About 150. Most doctors start at 200 banks. Yeah, I started 1 hundred 50. I said 1 hundred 50 and then I run it after 6 weeks. So, yeah, when's the next check-in? So, you know, you tell people, hey, we're going to start this. Don't expect
25:47Speaker 2a change or to feel better. What do you tell people when do they should expect to maybe feel something
25:57Speaker 3gotta tweak it, you know, you tweak it then, right? And I'll run it at 3 months. And then from Yeah, 90 days. And every 6 months. Yeah. Yeah. That's usually a good deal. 1 of the things that Will and I talk about so frequently is
26:10Speaker 1sweet spots where we're all science project. We're all very different because some dude at the gym told you that you should run 200 megs.
26:16Speaker 1You're very different than due to the gym. So like you have to toy around with different markers or different amounts, which we both have, which I know you have. And that takes time, dude, because you have to let try it for, like you just said, maybe 90 days to see how your body does at 150.
26:33Speaker 1People like me, for me, at 200 is too much. It took me a long time because I convert to extra quickly.
26:48Speaker 3and time and trying different things. Like I said, it's not a 1 size fits all. So I always start
26:56Speaker 3you know, start low. And there are some people that need to bump that up more. There's some people at 150, they're like, wow, it's a little bit much. It's pretty rare to see that. And I have instances where it's been a little too much and they have to dub
27:06Speaker 3it. But more people, 150 seems like they're pretty happy. They're getting the response. The blood work looks good. And again, if they're going to start bumping it up more,
27:19Speaker 3is going to be adverse effects when you get it there and keep it going for such a long time. So they go through those really quickly again, because now that's such a perfect Yeah.
27:44Speaker 3activity being a problem. DIM actually what it does is it actually takes estrogen gets broken down into 4 metabolites.
27:51Speaker 32 of them are very toxic. 2 of them are healthy. What DIM does, it kind of scoots those
28:14Speaker 3I think being on good fatty acids, fish oil is always important because it does help to keep the blood thin. It's good. It's super healthy. You get a lot of health benefits for omega-three fatty acids. You want to be on, I like nattokinase because what it does, nattokinase
28:43Speaker 3Backing up 1 more thing, homocysteine levels. The easiest way to bring that down is with a methylator. That's it. B6, B12, methylfolate takes that homocysteine and brings it down. Homocysteine, what it does is it's a free radical.
28:59Speaker 3We have to detoxify it. A lot of it gets circulated into the bloodstream. And what it does is it
29:04Speaker 3wreaks havoc on the inside of the arteries. It scars up the arteries so that if you have high triglycerides,
29:16Speaker 3Do you get it? It's also an Alzheimer's marker, by the way. Gauging that as like, okay, if you got high homocysteine,
29:39Speaker 1something like that thrown in there. Also, liver support is always good. Not trying to do too many supplements here, but- Well, you're talking about supplements too, but like, let's talk a little bit about like the point of this podcast, which is the peptides. Like what that's, they're huge on inflammation. So what would you say running those as well, like a thymosin Alpha-one, which is the best for inflammation.
29:59Speaker 3Definitely. And if a patient's down to do peptides, that's a whole nother ballgame, right? You want to start adding in some of those peptides. Some people can't afford peptides. Testosterone
30:08Speaker 3is cheap. I want to do this and I want to start there. Hey, if you can get them into the peptide game, I mean, God, talk about health benefits or that's a whole other, that's a whole game changer. As we know, on the health side, seeing blood work change. I mean, there's so many- Champagne in the whole world. Oh man, it's
30:23Speaker 1me talk about this stuff for you have, like, let's say as men get older, 1 of the things that's super common is from a lot of men is prostate cancer or something like that. If you have an older guy that says he has some markers that are leading to that or like has beginning stages of that, what would you do with that? Like, he's got super low testosterone,
30:42Speaker 1you know, and like he wants to fix that, but what would you do with a case like that? I think that, you know, testosterone
30:49Speaker 3depends. 1st of all, you gotta see how severe is this? You know what I mean? What is that PSA? What is the percent PSA? Has he been tested? Does he have cancer yet? Remember,
30:59Speaker 3it's inevitable. If a man doesn't die of anything, he'll eventually die of prostate cancer.
31:03Speaker 3So I think that like, 1st of all, seeing, being responsible to know how severe is this condition. Number 2, if you're going to do it,
31:31Speaker 3lot of work. Yeah, exactly. It is. And you put that oil on your tummy, but it is the best, safest way to do it is and to do it every day. I
31:39Speaker 3don't know many people that- I did it for a little bit. I'm like, dude, screw this. It's just a lot of oil in the state. It comes down to somebody like him who's at the verge of-
31:51Speaker 1would be the whole thing. Let's segue with that being said into the Essers because that's a good segue into because the Essers are going to affect It's very important. How often you need to do it and and and then whatnot. So, you know, I know that we were kinda tapping on this a little bit before recording, but in The United States, test zip is, like, probably the most common or test e.
32:09Speaker 1But right? In in other countries, test zip. Test e in other countries. Other countries. Other countries. Yeah. Other countries. But let's talk about it. Whoever wants to start, because you both know a lot about the esters. Will, why don't you drop some esters stuff?
32:23Speaker 2So testosterone and why the esters? Okay, so 1st of all, here's a big misconception. Testosterone is testosterone. It's all the same drug. I don't care what
32:43Speaker 2drug does the same thing to you folks. It's just like a fast release or a delay release pill.
32:49Speaker 2Testosterone is wrapped in the ester and it determines how fast or slow it gets released into your body,
33:03Speaker 12 hour 0.5 life. Right? We got like an active 0.5 life. Right? Never seen it. Sounds great. It hurts like hell. So as a general rule checked every 2 hours. And you gotta do it every 2 hours. Yes. So wouldn't that be good though if you're gonna take it before you lift? I mean, that sounds amazing. Absolutely. You know I mean? Like, you wanna get a quick pump and you wanna go lift heavy leg day. That would be- Well, that's the thing. I'm honest about that. I mean, back in the eighties, nineties, I remember people would do that. They would inject that right before their workout. You know? Absolutely. That sounds like logical. Another thing like bodybuilders,
33:32Speaker 2right, who will they'll do as they're bulking, bulking, right, they're doing long esters because it compounds on itself and their testosterone is gonna be high as they get closer to the competition. And regardless, testosterone's gonna cause a little bit of water retention and they wanna look as lean as possible. So they go, they switch down as, as it gets closer to fast esters.
33:51Speaker 2So then they're able to, so it's not lingering around. And then about 5 days pre comp, they just pull everything. Yeah.
34:01Speaker 2It's day before, right? Those guys leave to it. So you got the fastest. But basically the fastest suspension,
34:16Speaker 3Those are maybe 20, 24 hours. Right? Think as far as the 0.5 life goes, propionate is 1 to 2 days.
34:25Speaker 2but that's its 0.5 life, but it's kind of act its activity in you Sure. Is probably yeah. So you wanna check that every other 48 hours. You wanna check every every other day, if not every Sometimes every day. If not every day. If you can't, like, that would be ideal. Right. If you could, every day would be ideal. Definitely. Because you're keeping that balance. Different research on the sipionate and annotate, but my Same shit. Like
34:46Speaker 2People are so weird about it. Is, like, 6, 7 days. The other 1 is It's a day off. Is 7 days. So sipionate is, like, 6 days, and the day is 7. Let's repeat that part. Let's repeat that part because like most It's people 5 to 7. Scipione is 6 to 8. Okay. Oh, you think Scipione is a little longer? A little longer, Esther. Just a little longer. Yeah. But they're so interchangeable.
35:19Speaker 3you always had people who preferred 1 or the other. I'll tell Sure still do. I'll tell you what, sipping age seems to win, doesn't it? Always. People always say, I've always heard, I feel a little bit more oomph off of that. And this is more for the bodybuilding side, you guys. This is not for the physiological tier 2. This is more the bodybuilding side when people would feel like, I just feel, gym rats would feel that way. Oh, I feel a little more boom bop the sip in the ant ant basso. Really? I don't think so. I mean, I have heard the other way.
35:42Speaker 2I've heard the other way and I've thought, and I feel the other way. Think that's a bit better. Oh, yeah.
35:48Speaker 2But basically, Hey, why do doctors use SIP today? Because it's easiest to give to patients, right? We'll have more patients if we can give them an ester and a lot of people don't react very poorly, right? Their muscles tolerate it very well. And you have to, but you have to inject it less. But frankly,
36:06Speaker 2still, even if you have a long ester, you can still inject that daily and that is a better way to do it. You
36:11Speaker 2don't get these big spikes and guess what? Every hormone is predicated on another hormone, right? When
36:26Speaker 3They're telling these people, these medical doctors, we're going give you 200 mg and we're injecting it once every 2 weeks,
36:43Speaker 1They suggest you take it. Don't even ask about it, but that's what they just, they prescribe
36:48Speaker 1to, I mean, not every doctor, I'm not, I can't categorize them all, but I'm saying the guys that I've spoken to, which they're doing the fitness stuff,
36:59Speaker 1So I'm not saying right or wrong, just saying that's what Maybe they talk about AIs too because those are horrible for you. Yeah. Thym is the same thing with vitamin E. It's an AI. You don't need AIs. Well, you don't need AIs unless you're taking a whole lot of drugs. Yeah, if you're aromatizing. And if you're detoxifying. Yeah. And
37:14Speaker 2when I say to people, Hey, take AI, I mean, it's because you're having experiencing gynecomastia.
37:20Speaker 2Or like- Or like- And you want to take as little as possible, right? But I say, Hey, you ought to get rid of those side effects, especially gyno. That's permanent. If it- Yeah. You're true. If it will grow, you're done. You don't want to take that until the side effects are gone. Then we slowly pull the AI out and take it as little as possible. And there comes a point like JD is like, he's 1 where it doesn't matter the AIs, you just need to lower your testosterone. Right? You can't go back. Can't. People, you reach that point where
37:46Speaker 2the AIs in the world and yeah, AIs are terrible taken at a lot for a long period of time. There's a lot of bad things
38:06Speaker 2comes from sustained release. Right? That's why they named it sustenance. But test prop,
38:26Speaker 2Yeah, a little bit longer. A little bit longer. And that's like, what, 7 to 4 to 5 days. Oh, you go 4 to 10. Okay. And then what's the last 1? Decanoate or undecanoate? Undecanoate, which is
38:35Speaker 3Super long. 3 weeks, months. 3 weeks, Is that really 3 weeks? Yeah. I don't know what's going You inject that like once every 2, 3 months. But you do a lot of it, man, like 3 cc's at once and it's just like, and then it holds you over, but that's dangerous. If
38:51Speaker 3gonna then you can have clots from that. I mean, the oil and all that stuff. I've seen a TEST-five hundred that does, that's,
39:07Speaker 2way higher blood testosterone levels over time, but it's also going to result in way higher estrogen levels because it's just compounding it. And then once you have the estrogen, you're like, damn, my estrogen's, there's no stopping it. Sorry folks. Like you got to let that stuff burn out of you for a month.
39:22Speaker 2You can get it out. Yeah, if you can get it out of you. So the safer way, if you are prone to side effects, fast estrogen is the way to go. Sure. If you happen to have, shit, I got this bad side effect. Well, guess what? It'll be gone in 2 days if you just chill, which is why, I don't know, I'm a proponent of that. That's my great blend for you guys to put together would be a pro enanthate blend.
39:44Speaker 2which is kind of what I'm aiming for with my sustenance. And here's the reason I like sustenance. That's just from feel. I'm not saying from a health perspective, but because,
39:56Speaker 2but you kind of feel a little kick because you, you know, you got the prop right now. You
40:03Speaker 2kick the next day. And also you get the benefit of the long esters that do kind of compound and keep your levels high. People that love success love it. Yeah. I
40:21Speaker 2yes, that's what I'm a blast with. Then I'll just cruise with a cruise. I see a Sussan on it. I guess as a rule of thumb, like we don't ever want to take an S2 like you want to do these prop 1. You don't ever want to let an Aster in you and out of you completely and then have nothing. Yeah. No. Which is why you want No. No. No. Problem
40:39Speaker 2And before it gets out of you, we're doing it again. Bump it up again. Yeah. You have the good bumps, though. Not like yeah. Yeah. So you Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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41:00Speaker 1We don't wanna do this. We wanna do this. This guy keeps it as even as possible. Sure. It's funny because you have so many people that just don't know about this stuff, and it's not a knock on them, and it takes stuff to learn this stuff. But, like, they will, like, start taking TRT even then they just stop.
41:14Speaker 1and they don't know why they feel like shit. Because like, dude, listen, you ate, you did the doctor didn't give you anything to stop? Like when he's like, no, I just like Yeah, that's not good. Do you want to add anything on the esters? Is that correct? No, I think you nailed it. Because I want to see, so that's great. So everybody kind of has a preference. Like, I would say the most popular
41:33Speaker 1in The United States is the sip. People are like, I gotta have a sip, but if there's not sip, there's like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Why can't you just eat like it's the same thing, but they are like, you take out 0.5 that SIP, I fucking did. Like you put whatever, you know what I mean? Yeah. So
41:59Speaker 1that's not the most common. So like, what would you say? Who would who would fit the mold of some of those? Give me some examples of what man
42:07Speaker 1would use those. Like he likes Sussanon. It's very common. People like Sussanon, I love Sussanon. I'd never really liked Sussanon, but,
42:30Speaker 1so that's the peep some of the people that are gonna have the issues are the 1 sipponate.
42:34Speaker 1Just say you're taking 200 mg's and the doctor says that you take 1 shot on Mondays and it's poof,
42:51Speaker 3that will eliminate some of those problems. So that would be 1 of the reasons. Yeah, I think men who are prone to estrogen issues, men who are more on the overweight side, who are trying to get into your team, you know, that because overweight,
43:02Speaker 3you also are going to have higher estrogen issues also. So I think that going into the propionate initially
43:07Speaker 3would be a good But then you got, if you're doing this on the bodybuilding side and you're running gear with this, right, and you're trying to lean out, well, propionate is the best way to do it because you have less water, less water, where you want that drier look, right? So it depends on the person. If we're just talking What's the objectives?
43:22Speaker 3What's the objective? If you're just talking about just straight health, start them on the probe, again,
43:36Speaker 2A lot of people react poorly. A lot of people will have a lot of PIP- Yeah. That is good. Talk about that. That's important. That's important.
43:45Speaker 2Hurts. Let's explain PIP because I would imagine there's a lot of guys that have had it and they're like, what the hell is going on? Let's explain PIP. It happens. To everybody. Your body, your muscle is getting a very foreign substance in it and the- You got a big lump in your butt. You- And you're pretty much like the muscle- looks like a pretty much a substance injected right into the middle of your muscle. Okay.
44:07Speaker 3it all just floods in you right now. Right? And that our muscles don't like that. Yeah, it's fats. It comes in. I don't know what is. It's like you said, the response on that could be painful. So that again, that's why
44:19Speaker 3the Propionate is really popular because you don't really get that effect so much with the sip and you get the help.
44:26Speaker 3again, got to talk about too. People sometimes get sensitive to what is in the testosterone.
44:32Speaker 1we should talk about this too. It's the oil, right? Let's talk about it because it's been very common for me that has been a very
44:39Speaker 1curveball that was thrown in mind because I thought I had it pretty dialed in, But fairly recently,
44:46Speaker 1And like, I mean, for anybody that gets PIP and you're getting where you're getting those lumps and you're getting those big painful things, there's ways that you can diminish it or like eliminate it to a degree, which is heat up the oil in hot water. That helps. It almost rarely, you rarely almost get it. So if you get that and you're prone to that, like I can be just heated up in water for about a minute, 30 seconds, whatever. You're gonna hit the oil when you inject it, then it's, And then go run a mile as soon as you- Yeah, then work out. Like, don't sit.
45:14Speaker 2That blood flowing. Get the shit out of you. Get your muscles contracting and getting it posted.
45:34Speaker 1grape seed oil. It's gonna be cottonseed, sesame, or grape seed. Is it sesame and CBS? I thought it was grape seed. Grape seed. It's still a seed oil. It's all seed oil. So it's unhealthy. And so like a lot of people that, a lot of men have switched to the MCT because it's just a better oil. However,
45:50Speaker 3it can turn on you, which it did for me recently. If you're sensitive to MCTO because a lot of times it's derived from coconut, then you're going to have a problem.
46:03Speaker 3you know, on food list. A lot people don't do well with sesame, so you can inject sesame oil- Every time. And it could cause a problem. Out of nowhere too. Like you cannot have a problem because I didn't have a problem with MCT forever. And then all of a sudden, I was getting pit everywhere,
46:16Speaker 1in my right butt, like when I was doing it everywhere, I'm like, dude, what is going on? Will and I were talking about it. So like, I called Doctor. Melanotan, is, he'll be on here soon.
46:25Speaker 1And I said, Hey man, like this is going on. He said, Well, you're MCT? Said, Yeah. He's like, So for some reason, MCT starts to turn on people. And he didn't really know the why exactly, but he just- Body just so-
46:35Speaker 3Your body's just like, I don't want it. It could be that the body eventually gets a sensitivity. It happens with foods. It can happen with obviously anything. Sometimes
46:43Speaker 3or the benzyl alcohol that is actually in the testosterone too that people could be sensitive to or when it was produced in a lab, you know, in a compound pharmacy,
47:01Speaker 3little variations sometimes can make a big difference on that same issue. Right? Another reason for, I mean,
47:12Speaker 2esters are all, these testosterone esters are all at certain levels, right? At the same levels
47:18Speaker 2for a reason, right? Like test proper usually is 100 mgs per milliliter, right? Ccipient is usually 200,
47:26Speaker 2S test E 2 50 to 300, right? Totally. There is a reason that those are there. If you make a testosterone and it is too dense, It'll hurt. It's gonna hurt like hell. Yeah. I've tried it. It's not fun, right? Like, yes, it's not fun when you- It sucks. Takes everything out. So
47:58Speaker 3that's it for Esters. Anything else? What are you taking? What, Esther, do you take? I just dip well, I was on an athlete now. I just flip to Sip and eat. And
48:06Speaker 3MCT is good with you? C A MCT C-eight? I use C A MCT oil in all my stuff. I'll make sure it's a C-8MCT. But I do well with that. It's healthy oil. Feel, you know- Way better for sure. But you can tell folks that I've like looking, so good C8 MCT is not
48:35Speaker 1bad quality- Gotta use that It'll be kind of clear but thick, you know? And it's just not dispersing your body. Well, you know, MCT is the thinnest of those oils. I remember when it came out, I didn't know that it was the stuff I was getting was MCT and I'm like, what the hell is this? Like, because it was like so watery at my teeth. Is this watery thing? What is this, but it feels funny, man. Alright, what are the other questions we got for you? Yeah, dude, that was great. So I wanted to kind of tell you a little bit of shift of what Scott and I, just like Will and I talk about through so many things like Scott and I talk about a lot of things and recently,
49:08Speaker 1anybody that follows my channels knows I'm a carnivore and I've done some different things in
49:12Speaker 1my my diet last 3 months of last year. I've got off well, I did some blood work with Scott, and my inflammation was up a little high. I was eating shitty food and, like, I was working a lot and, like, my right? Like, he's like, dude, you're eating carnivore. You're eating, like, crappy carnivore, but I was getting home late and I wasn't cooking steaks. I was getting like Chipotle a lot. Yeah. He's like, you're dirty carnivore, bro. Remember that? Yeah. You're dirty carnivore. But anyway, so my inflammation was high. So anyways, like, we we got off. He put me on some vegetables with my gut to do good with. But anyways, long story short, I I did carbs for
49:44Speaker 1the last 3 months. I enjoyed it from the standpoint of, Man, I got buff really quick. Obviously,
49:50Speaker 1we knew that, but I got a lot buffed than I even expected because I was on Carnivore for 5 years. Now,
49:58Speaker 11 of the things I've been doing is I have, I fast Monday through Friday and at least a 20 hour fast,
50:07Speaker 1I fast so much during the week because I work and I like to be focused, blah, blah, blah. But I wanted to say, the buffness,
50:13Speaker 1you know? So you and I were kind of talking through it a little bit. So here's what I did for anybody that's interested because it's worked really well. I've really enjoyed it. So I've always ran a test SIP or test E. I've never really run a P test pro because I used to get, it used to not work well with me. So it wasn't really, I hadn't done it in years. And so Scotty and I were talking, Doctor.
50:32Speaker 1And I were talking. You call me Scotty. We're talking like Will and I just, we love this stuff. We like to talk through stuff. So anyways, what I did guys is I
50:40Speaker 1have instead of Tuesday and Thursday, 20 hour fast, I'm not fasting at all. I'm eating breakfast.
50:46Speaker 1I'll eat before I lift, which is man, I never do that, but I eat before I lift, you know, a carnivore protein shake and some eggs
50:53Speaker 1and then I lift and I'll even go home and then another carnivore shake and some eggs or some sausage, blah, blah, But I'm eating like 4
51:03Speaker 1And I have switched, so I'm cutting out the, cutting down the fasting. I'm adding more food, more nutrients,
51:17Speaker 1Dude, it's worked great. It's been amazing. Huge shift, huge pumps, and I'm keeping a lot more muscle on than I expected.
51:35Speaker 1Know what mean? But like, that's great. And it's good to talk through this stuff, listen to this stuff. You know, if you're just getting into this stuff, watch this stuff. It's so intriguing. It's so important. And you're only going to get better at feeling better
51:47Speaker 1if you educate yourself on this stuff. Cause we love it. We talk about it. We all have, we all, everybody that's in our group of friends, that's just our life, you know? But you gotta like try different things,
51:58Speaker 1try all the esters and then see which 1 works. Try fasting. If you have inflammation markers, fasting is amazing. I'm a huge advocate. You
52:25Speaker 1I wanted to bring up, we'll just talk on, this could be a probably a whole podcast, which maybe we'll do that. But
52:35Speaker 1somebody asked a great question. They were asking a question on a couple of the mitochondria
52:40Speaker 1peptides and the way that this guy articulated it, both right when I read it, it was like, Dude, that was a great question. He was asking,
52:52Speaker 1night? Night because how they work and like how they work on the mitochondria because they're very different. MOTS-1.0
53:00Speaker 1repair it, blah, blah, blah. So he and I answered it differently in different forms and it was a great conversation. I've been thinking about it ever since because, and the reason I bring this up is you and I were talking after you took MOTS-1C for the 1st time and be like, Woah,
53:13Speaker 1you were like calling me. You're like, my wife was like, Dude, what's wrong with you? You know? And I'm like, I'm like, I don't ever feel like that. Like I felt left out. Like I'm like, that sucks, So it's generated a conversation in me and the thinking through this because I'm so intrigued by this stuff.
53:28Speaker 1know we've touched on it a little bit, I know people are going want to hear this. So if somebody takes MOTS-1C like you and got rep, you were just like, woah, And like me, like, I didn't feel anything. Is
53:41Speaker 1when you don't feel it? Or do you, is it somebody have a mitochondria that's like on a healthier side if you feel it more? That's it right there. So I needed it. So you were lacking. Yeah, it's interesting because people who are extremely fit,
53:59Speaker 3I'm I'm not like you, JD, man. What you saying bro? You're man with that. I'm just saying that there's a lot of other things that play into that, like stress and things like that can play into this whole issue also. So depending on cortisol, depending on the person.
54:17Speaker 3I'm probably good with that, right? It doesn't mean you shouldn't take it. It doesn't mean you shouldn't take it. It's same with MOTS-3C. It's still good for you to take it. Okay. And
54:28Speaker 3It's like, man, it's so good for you. It's like you shouldn't just not take it because
54:33Speaker 3any amount is going to benefit you. You know what mean? But that's you just nailed it, Like the reason why So if you feel it, if I don't feel it, that means your mitochondria is healthier. Exactly. As far as that system of that mitochondria goes, remember there's
54:52Speaker 3I think you see 1 that actually can go to the cytoplasm, the nucleus. And then of course we know that
55:07Speaker 2Harnesses all that power. All the power is going in, so it just can keep it all The skeleton, man. It holds it strong. Yeah. Skeleton of the mind. So the answer to that question, actually, we have thought about this, folks. It's been on my mind since. We thought about it. We've we've talked to to so,
55:23Speaker 2Don't think that really matters. They're still getting into you. I do both in the morning. He does both I the do them both at the same time. But the better answer was, hey, should, if I have a start 1
55:37Speaker 2which should I do? The answer is you should do the SS-thirty 1 1st. Because it repairs. You want to build that,
55:51Speaker 2you give it a whole bunch of energy so it can actually house that energy. Yeah, exactly. That energy is leaking out. These are free radicals. This is all bad stuff for you, right? There's no point in taking the MOTS-3s. If this is all in shambles, You're giving energy and all energy's good money. Well, you're still getting good benefit with the MOTS-3.5-
56:06Speaker 3Because of lipolysis, of blood sugar regulation, right? I mean, just that itself, MOTS-3.0
56:15Speaker 3if I don't you okay, don't have to do SS-thirty 1. If you just want to do MOTS-3C, you're gonna get a benefit out of that because there's so many benefits to it. Right? But I think if you're gonna do it like, hey, I wanna do both. I wanna do start with 1. Yeah. Definitely start with SS-thirty 1 and then bump into the MOTS-three. Makes more sense. Makes more sense to me. I mean Yeah. Maybe someone else out there will say something different. Oh, they will. Somebody will. They will. But, I mean, I studied it. I thought, okay, it makes more sense to kinda do the SS 31. They are bringing the MOTS. And then again, you don't wanna stay on it either. Right? You don't wanna stay on it too long. Right? So so you gotta bump off the MOTS quicker than you do the SS 31. SS-thirty 1, you can ride that a little bit longer. MOTS- Yeah, it does. You know, MOTS-0.00 MOTS can go on the other direction if you kind of stay on it too long and, know, you want to cycle MOTS C on and off. Well, 1 other thing that we talked about yesterday, because you and I were talking a little bit through text yesterday, which really was intriguing with what you sent me, I sent it to Will,
57:07Speaker 1like responded and we were thinking, I'm like, wow, that's so I did it this morning. I want to try it. I did an intramuscular this morning because of what you sent me. Well, do you realize that a lot of the studies on Peptide has been around for a long time. This is not new. They've
57:25Speaker 3This is not new stuff, right? So you know that a lot of the studies are done intramuscular.
57:33Speaker 3It shouldn't be done sub q. That 1 should always be done. There was never any studies done sub q on Cerebrolysin.
57:43Speaker 2intramuscular and MOTS-3C was done. Studies are done. Guess what? Intramuscular. And they say it works better though. Yes. I did this morning, so we'll see. So he sent that to us and I thought back and I have actually heard from several people,
58:02Speaker 2sub q, then the 3rd 1, same dose. Doctor gave it to me in my arm and I was sick for a week. Like, it worked that much better. That's interesting. That much more effective intramuscular.
58:11Speaker 1Wow. And I've heard it from a few people. Yeah. Oh, I never oh, cool. So, that's interesting stuff, man. I mean, that's something that we've never really discussed in here. Real quick, because we're almost done, but I did we didn't touch on something that I wanted to touch on. It's important.
58:22Speaker 1You ladies, we don't wanna forget about you ladies. I know because we get questions all the time. We're men, so we talk think about men a lot, but we love you ladies. You you smell good and you're beautiful. Because
58:37Speaker 1and how testosterone replacement, and it's just a little bit of testosterone changes their freaking lives.
58:43Speaker 3Sex drive, same stuff. So talk a little bit about the women because man, we get so many women reach out to us and I'm sorry we got so caught up and we could talk for literally hours. Let's talk a little bit about that. Yeah, I think, yeah, definitely, man. This is huge. So I think like women, especially going into, you know, perimenopause and things start going off, they'll start having the dryness down there. They'll start having to, the drive goes down, the energy goes down, they start getting a little bit more fatty tissue around the abdominal area. Grumpy.
59:14Speaker 3wife's not doing it. But yeah, I mean, and again, like micro dosing that a woman with testosterone is a game changer. And my wife's going to watch this because my wife has been through this and we've done several different ways of working testosterone with her. You've said it's done wonderful. It's a game changer. Not just on
59:32Speaker 3effects I just spoke of, but the blood work I saw. My wife always has had problems with anemia and it's just no more anemia. That's pretty cold. She used to to take a nap every day. She doesn't nap anymore. Mean, it's just rad.
59:45Speaker 3have that when you're married and you know why it's important. Your ears, man. It's important, right? Yeah, I mean, but
59:57Speaker 3about this? This is really important women. When a woman goes into menopause, guess what happens? She started losing bone density. 1 of the biggest causes of menopause is osteoporosis.
1:00:13Speaker 1about HGH, man. It's a little it's a critique. It's a is HGH. It's a critique. So again, yeah. It's so true though. It's so true, man. Women should run TRT
1:00:29Speaker 1you we can age so well, everybody. Like, we do not need to age like shit. Science is there.
1:00:38Speaker 1Don't be 1 of those uneducated people in my comments going, Yeah, you're cheating and all that stupid stuff. Educate yourself and have an educated opinion on something that you're gonna comment on because that's stupid, man. You can age well. Men are supposed to have testosterone,
1:00:53Speaker 1dude. If you're in my comments, leaving those comments, that means you don't have testosterone because men don't do that. They're working and they're they're Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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1:01:30Speaker 1In their ass. I'll just be honest, man. So literally, bro, like, you can feel like a 31 year old. That's how I will explain it. We'll end on this. That's how I explain it to a lot of people that I work with is remember
1:01:43Speaker 1how easy it was to get in shape at 31? Do you remember how you felt at 31? You remember when you lifted weight, you didn't have to eat so strict at 31. The testosterone replacement, if it's done properly, will bring you about to that.
1:02:04Speaker 2I don't care how hard you work out. You're not gonna see much results. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, you have enough testosterone for And we have a we have a question question from the audience. Oh. This is a woman. Uh-oh.
1:02:27Speaker 2Oh, that's a great question. Why you you wanna repeat it? Repeat it. Then So how would women How would women How would women
1:02:42Speaker 2for them. And how, what could they say to get their doctor? It's very rare though, even for men though. Get for them. HGH? Very rare. Well, I mean, hopefully
1:02:56Speaker 3comfortable with, just ask him anything you want. There shouldn't be a hesitancy about, oh, should I ask for this? I mean, what's he going do? Yell at me? That's not a good doctor, you know? That's a bad bedside manner. So make sure you've got a good physician that you feel comfortable that you want to work with. And then of course, I'd say like,
1:03:11Speaker 3you know, I'd say more like you said, JD, maybe more of a functional doctor, that's a little bit more friendly I on that
1:03:27Speaker 3It just declines. It's like a old age. It's like like it's just it is what it is. I think that,
1:03:40Speaker 3Remember, HGH makes everything grow, right? So God forbid, you you got something hiding in your body. Know, you can run some labs and to kind of rule out, you
1:03:55Speaker 3carcinomas, things like that. Probably a good idea. Got to check blood sugar. HGH is going to lift blood sugar. You could counterbalance that, we know, with certain things,
1:04:11Speaker 3Yes. That actually can counterbalance and bring bring balance from the elevated HGH. That's absolutely Bring that back down. So, you know, again, just doing things right, feeling comfortable with the doctor,
1:04:21Speaker 2I mean, ask them. So what are the what is there some like clinical prescribing criteria
1:04:27Speaker 2that a person needs to be aware of so they don't shoot themselves in the foot and then not get prescribed HGH?
1:04:34Speaker 2Or is that like, basically the question is like, yeah, or how do you game the doctor into giving it to you?
1:04:44Speaker 1total testosterone, that's what he runs, go to a different doctor because the fact that he just did that and you're trying to get your testosterone,
1:05:02Speaker 3and HGH patients. So 1st of all, an insurance company is not going to pay for it. You're going get prescribed to you. So
1:05:08Speaker 3if you're going to ask what you probably want to, your regular insurance GP will probably not do it for you. You're going to want to go to an anti aging clinic, a functional Those medicine
1:05:28Speaker 3not doors staying ahead of you. Don't have a problem growing that, you know, your 12 year old kid, they're going to give it to you if he's short, right? And you'll get it prescribed. But
1:05:35Speaker 3yeah, if you're a woman in her 40s or 50s, you're looking to just, you know, that's called, you know, that's enhancement. They figure that as, you know, it's more of an enhancement type of So you're gonna pay outside of it. That's a good answer. Lastly, let's close on this because I'm getting this literally on a daily basis. I get it literally almost on a daily basis. So like I'm getting so many questions from parents,
1:05:56Speaker 1high school kids are wanting to run peptides. They're asking about the growth hormone peptides. They're talking about the secretagogues
1:06:03Speaker 1and I get it almost on a daily basis. So I always answer it from a standpoint of, am a father and what would I do with my son? So I'll answer this for a lot of people listening because it's asked so often and you can give your 2 sons too. So my answer is this, I'm not going to give my sons any type of growth hormones, secretagogue, anything. They are full of that stuff.
1:06:23Speaker 1I will give them when they're in their teens. I when they're playing sports and stuff, I will give them TB-five hundred or BPC. I I would for sure be doing that, and that's it. Anything else?
1:06:33Speaker 1God knows what he's doing, man. Kids heal quick. They bounce back quick. You're not gonna wanna blast your kid with growth hormone or secretagogue and even blast his own hormone. They're full of it, man. They're full of testosterone. You're not gonna give an 18 year old testosterone. He's full of it. So that's my answer. Do you have a different answer? Because it's asked I mean, outside of in practice, yeah. I mean, I use the BPC and the TB-500with a lot of children. So a lot of my athletes, you know, I treat athletes, kids are in high school. It has been amazing. Mean, I've
1:07:18Speaker 3My son's short. I'm short. I just say, Hey, I'm just like God trying to take over. I
1:07:27Speaker 3know? Like get him on it. And yeah, he's going to grow, but it's like, I don't want to tamper with that right now. He's 10 years old, right? I know a lot of parents are going down that direction because
1:07:40Speaker 1the height. And then you got a lot of the dads that are just trying to get your kid into be a professional player. Like, listen, it's blasting them with a sharpie kid.
1:07:50Speaker 1catch, though, because like I said, it's like the questions are coming from But let me tell you something. What I'm seeing in the gym, I'm seeing a lot of the kid, MK-six,
1:07:57Speaker 17, 7, and all these young guys are doing the MK-seven. That's common. I know I know some I know some I don't know about that. People personally that have been doing that, but, Oh dude,
1:08:12Speaker 1if we can sit here and talk forever. We'll have you back on just because we love talking to you, dude. We get to do this for a living, dude. Like, oh my gosh, we were talking about the other day, like, do we sit here and talk like we talk like off screen? Hell yeah to do it on on a podcast.
1:08:26Speaker 2although this is not a primary job that does this is the doing this podcast is not what what
1:08:36Speaker 1We were supplement company. Yeah. Fair enough. So there we go. But cool, man. I love you, dude. We'll have you back on. So everybody,
1:08:44Speaker 1I hope that you enjoyed it. We wanted to take a little bit of a left turn away from the peptides, but hormone replacement and peptides and diet, it's all about your health. So we will catch you on the next round. The next 1 will be again, Will and I sitting down and talk about the Q and A episode, but this 1 will drop on Monday, which you'll be listening to it at that time. That's all we got.