Ep 24 · 34:10
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0:31Speaker 0know what, if we ever, if we ever start bitching, like, look, look where we work and look where we live, where we live and work where people vacation, man. It's all perspective, right? Absolutely.
0:55Speaker 0Right, man. Ain't doubt the truth. It's always sitting on the right perspective, man. Yeah.
1:06Speaker 0what we're doing. And again, let me just throw this out there. Like we always do. Will and I are not doctors. We are 2 dudes that like peptides.
1:15Speaker 0We've been doing them for years. We like talking about them. That's what you get. These are just 2 dudes talking about some peptides and that's it. Right? If you need some doctor's help, go see a doctor. They'll help you out with all that stuff. So today we have 2 peptides and what we're trying to do guys is we're trying to do different peptides, right? We're not trying to do 2 that are like synergistically run together. We're doing 2 different ones. So today what we're going to do is we're going to talk about SS-thirty
1:40Speaker 01, right? And we're going to talk about 1 of the favorites out there, which is going to be CJC-twelve
1:47Speaker 0And, that's a popular 1. I think, well, since that's 1 of the more popular ones and a lot of people know about that, let's start with the SS-31because
1:55Speaker 0I know you and I both like this 1 and we've been digging into it. Tell us a little bit about what it is and what does it do and why should we take it? Yeah. Okay. That's cool. Yes,
2:06Speaker 1we have. We've been taking it and digging into it like it's it's a and and have had a lot of feedback from other people
2:34Speaker 1It's like a garbage cleanup crew inside of your mitochondria. So it is scavenging for any, like, I don't know, free radicals, any of the garbage
3:36Speaker 1and it is kind of our cellular energy. So it's what gives us, you know, more energy, but not brain caffeine type energy. Yeah.
4:18Speaker 1and now your legs burn. Yeah. Okay, so that's your ATP gone. If this is creating more ATP,
4:32Speaker 1so the performance enhancing side, great. That works. But also it is being used clinically
4:52Speaker 1or my wife have been miserable for the last 5 years, right? I've had like no energy and
5:23Speaker 0whatever people struggle with food for sure is bringing people's energy level down. But, you know, I think in regards to like with
5:32Speaker 0this 1 in particular, SS-thirty 1, 1 of the beauties of it is it's going to help with that mitochondrial and give you that cellular energy. And that's really going to give you more energy. It's going to help you age slower. I mean, it's so powerful
6:38Speaker 1why is this not being used by everybody? Barrier is essentially just money, right? You need to take a decently
6:59Speaker 0be wrong with it. I don't say nothing. I mean, most are for the most part, most are pretty, pretty darn healthy. There's gonna be some that have some risk obviously,
7:12Speaker 0There's not a whole lot of anything you should be worried about by taking high doses. Right, absolutely.
7:34Speaker 0you're going to feel better. You're going to have more cellular energy, your wounds are going to heal faster,
7:44Speaker 0better, clear thoughts, all the above. Absolutely. Know what I mean? So that's why this one's a pretty special peptide.
8:02Speaker 1they like it and everybody has a different kind of dosage barrier, right? Where they're saying like, oh, I don't really feel much. I've had people say,
8:23Speaker 1They have some energy and they absolutely feel it. Right? There are stories, I mean, but there's there's lots of people out there that doctors I've I've read on this doctors are telling them take up to 22 mg a day. Wow.
8:42Speaker 130 mg bottles is most common. I would suggest you try to get those. I've now started to see some 50 mg bottles.
8:49Speaker 1But yeah, if you're gonna need to be taking, it generally seems like about 5 mg is kind of their lowest really effective dose. I would still start at
9:09Speaker 0Yeah, so in knowing that, I mean, let's sit on that just for a 2nd in regards to, what we always recommend for anybody with any supplement, anything testosterone,
9:18Speaker 0whatever, to go slow, just to start slow. You can build yourself up. You know, I think it's human nature to want to do more, but everybody's body is so radically different. Just because somebody does well at 2 mg
9:36Speaker 0start with 1 and work your way up and then try to find that sweet spot. And then there you are, but you can build up, you can't go back down. So it's always good with any, any supplement. Right. You know what I mean? Yep. Anything,
9:52Speaker 0anybody in particular, I know you kind of answered this already, but anybody in particular you think should not be taking this?
10:01Speaker 1I can't really think of it again. Always obvious guys, like little children, don't feed this to your babies or mothers or fathers. Don't feed it to your babies,
10:12Speaker 1Just better safe than sorry. Don't take it. But, but no, I don't, I can't see any really actual like condition to
10:20Speaker 0not take it. Especially if you have doctors that are prescribing 22 mg in a day. So if a doctor is going to prescribe that, that's a really high dose. That would be pretty expensive,
10:30Speaker 0but if you can afford it and it feels good, there you go. But other than that, that obviously tells you that it's a safe peptide. Right.
10:44Speaker 1would be a good 1. I can think of a few. What would you say? I think that MOTS-3C is the obvious light bulb and there is, yeah, 100% like synergistic value, right?
11:14Speaker 1any like any free radicals, oxidative stress. It's got some good integrity. Now we're just filling up with energy and it is working to its full potential and it's kicking ass. So those
11:27Speaker 02 ought to be ran together. Yeah, that's rad. I have not done that, but I'm gonna do that just kind of after our conversation and some of the stuff we've dug into, but kind of those comparable to like a TB-five
11:40Speaker 0157. They're great separate, but together they do even better. And I think this would be comparable if you run an SS-31and
11:54Speaker 1and BPC, like both of them are working on their gut, right? For sure. Both alone are good, but I think that I wouldn't take.
12:10Speaker 1Because they will absolutely synergistically work when the product of the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts.
12:22Speaker 0Yeah, know you touched on it already, but briefly, let's kind of like sit on this point for a 2nd. The,
12:27Speaker 0dosages, you're going to recommend we start at a milligram and start there and work our way up to generally like the low dose would still be 5 mg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Which is lot. I
12:41Speaker 1guess there's imagine if you have a 30 mg bottle, right? I would put 3 mls of water in it. If you do that,
13:11Speaker 1I'd go 1 mg every day and then I would bump that. I'd bump that up from there and pretty, pretty rapidly
13:21Speaker 1maybe bump up. I don't know, Wolf, like 1 mg. Everybody's got to just be the judge of themselves, you know? But
13:47Speaker 0with some of our studies and digging into it, it's a great peptide. So for those of you out there, which is so freaking common, whether it's like
13:55Speaker 0in your head or not, whatever, you're, you're super tired, I get asked all the time. What can I take for energy? This is going to be 1 of the rock stars in
14:07Speaker 01, which I don't, I don't hear a lot of people out there, a lot of chitchat about the SS-thirty 1, but, now you know, so give
14:14Speaker 0it a shot, try it out and, slowly go up from 1 mg to 5 mg give or take, and, it's gonna help out a lot.
14:22Speaker 1The other biggest energy increase are like, we all know, like, you know, we don't want caffeine. You want energy? Just drink more coffee. Like, it's not. Yes. Drink water though. Well, it's like, it's amazing what water does to your brain if you're actually properly hydrated.
14:40Speaker 0there's another tip. Whenever I get tired or I wouldn't like, you know, if I'm, before I'm going to the gym, I, I have a box of, Celtics, really good Celtic salt and my bride gets me, you know, and I, what my fingers and you let it soak into your tongue. And then I take a shot back like a hefty amount of salt, but people don't like realize it like, you know, just saltwater alone is a very good energy drink. It really is.
15:04Speaker 1a carnivore diet, right? And like you you're lacking electrolytes because electrolytes really come in, come most, I mean, they come a lot from the sugars,
15:20Speaker 0And there's still a lot of people out there that think that salt's bad. Believe it not. And we were told when we were younger that salts bad for you. Yeah. It is bad if you eat
15:43Speaker 0That's that's a, that's going be 1 that's going to shine for sure. And I don't hear a lot of talk about it. So give that 1 a shot. So let's dig in to the CJC-twelve
15:55Speaker 0gosh, I would say it's probably the most popular of the ones that I hear about, but you know, it's got some pros and what some will say cons.
16:07Speaker 0any negatives, but this 1 has a little bit of a, some things that people are concerned about. So let's dig into that a little bit and see,
16:14Speaker 0what are some of the concerns that people have a little bit with this, this 1 in particular?
16:23Speaker 1from a couple people and it's all, if you kind of just read a little bit on the internet, it's
16:42Speaker 1Just happens to be 1 that people can develop an allergy, a little bit more of an allergy to. And the reason is,
16:55Speaker 1recognize that as it recognizes that as a foreign substance at times. Okay. And some people's body,
17:11Speaker 1And what their body does is make histamines that go after that CJC to try to get rid of it because it is not natural in our body.
17:21Speaker 1gives you an allergic reaction, right? Is why when somebody has, it goes into like anaphylactic shot, what are you taking? Antihistamine. Okay. Because it is what the, it's the histamines that are putting you into that anaphylactic reaction.
17:40Speaker 1you know, sweating some on the worst cases, right? Like even maybe the throat being closed up. But I have talked to people like I actually have a good friend. He said, Hey, I was doing CJC Ipamorelin from my doctor and I did the 1st cycle and it was awesome.
18:02Speaker 1cycle, 1st cycle was great, right? It kicked ass. I actually got some great results from it. I did the 2nd 1 and in like my 3rd injection, did it and just kind of like went red and sweating and then like threw up and called my doctor and had some like hives.
18:25Speaker 1and it was an allergic reaction and just like most allergic reactions, like, I don't know if you've ever had anybody who's allergic to shellfish.
18:32Speaker 1For example, I had a girlfriend who was 1 time and you know, the 1st time she had shellfish, a little bit of reaction, right? Maybe like a small little rash. The 2nd time, a little bit worse, right? 3rd time was like ER right now. So these things get in now, I'm not saying the CJC progresses like a shelf, shellfish allergies are
18:56Speaker 1you're not gonna get any, like the 1st time that you do this, it's gonna be great, right? No problem.
19:16Speaker 1When you do an injection. Now I know that that's not convenient, right? It may be easier for a lot of you to just like, well, how about I just don't do it, do it, do it. But,
19:25Speaker 1so there is the general, there is the, there's the warning on that. And for some reason, I think maybe because it's a stronger,
19:46Speaker 0So with, let's make sure we say that because it is fairly uncommon, but it has had that reputation
19:51Speaker 02 degrees. So compared to like other secreted dogs. So the, our recommendation or else I'll say mine is just go slow. Like always, you just don't know, especially with that 1 in particular or- Yep. I mean, once I was kind of reading some different things about it, I just, I'm a big fan of Tesamorelin in any way. That's my favorite security dog, but,
20:10Speaker 1I don't know, it's a matter of opinion. It is. And I mean, I have ran CJC 3 separate times and CJC and Ipamorelin had never had an issue. Yeah. So it's a rare thing, but like, if something like that happens to somebody,
20:39Speaker 1if we want to talk about, I guess, like what the hell it does. Yeah, let's talk about the positive.
21:02Speaker 1growth hormone pulse. So our natural human growth hormone happens to us in pulses throughout the day, generally about 6 pulses throughout the day and night. The pulses during your daytime are not very high.
21:23Speaker 1with deck is the long analog version. Okay. And it kind of gives you more of a sustained release,
21:31Speaker 1is not like how our normal growth hormone works. Okay. And therefore oftentimes it can get people's,
21:56Speaker 1you need to inject it more frequently, like daily. Whereas with the longer 1, you only need to inject it like once a week.
22:28Speaker 0more human growth hormone. So the benefits like helps with fat loss, muscle growth, better recovery, just the typical growth hormone,
22:48Speaker 1But right. And for everything, right, it's going to make your muscles recover faster. It's going make your skin recover faster, wounds recover faster, boost
23:32Speaker 1well boost your appetite. There's a negative thing, but basically when our ghrelin receptor is upregulated,
24:02Speaker 1Using those in conjunction is they will synergistically work a lot better than using them by themselves.
24:12Speaker 0running them both together for a long time. Yeah. You've talked about that for a very long Yeah.
24:18Speaker 0It's 1 of the strongest and again, it's going to be, just typical like benefits, what the secretagogue or the growth hormone peptides do.
24:26Speaker 0How about dosages? What would you say in regards to what would you recommend? And, you recommended it at night, I would assume, right? Yes,
24:55Speaker 1maybe the little tiny weak pulses throughout the day. Right. Okay. They're just, we, our bodies just got too much stress, too much stuff going on during the day. It's not, it's
25:06Speaker 1just not, it's not interested in recovering throughout the day. It's, it's interested in surviving today.
25:18Speaker 1So if you want to build muscle, you give your body building blocks at night, right? You eat your protein. I mean, eat protein throughout the day. Okay. Yeah. But make sure you give yourself some building blocks so at night it can use that and actually rebuild everything. Absolutely. So I would say at night you asked me dosage. I would say start at 100 micrograms
25:49Speaker 1Would, I would again play it safe on the lower end, but I do know, I absolutely know people growing up to 500 micrograms, but always,
26:41Speaker 0would just probably say times just don't take that anymore. There's so many different options that you have. So if you're 1 of those people that are more
26:49Speaker 0prone to don't do well with it, you have a lot of other secret dogs, man. Again, my favorite's Tesamorelin anyway. I love Tesamorelin. It's my favorite. And then I don't know. There's not many people it's like, there's just, there's
27:23Speaker 1to run with it? What would you say? Yeah, well, 1st of all, this is a big 1 where like running, having your light test, the men having your testosterone
27:36Speaker 1Important. Absolutely. I mean, I mean, really, that's the underlying for all men, right? We
27:41Speaker 1talk about everything like that. That is the golden ticket, right? Absolutely. That's God's elixir to make man.
28:10Speaker 1Along with if you decide to actually use a real HGH really should just be ran like in the background. Yeah. And then do everything else you feel like doing also. Okay. It's also a longer play.
28:22Speaker 0Which we're both fans of, because I know we've talked about it, but we were both fans of taking the HGH in the morning, like actual HGH, know, some of Tropen and
28:31Speaker 0at night. I've gone through most of them. CJC is 1 that I have not really dipped into, believe it or not. I
28:41Speaker 0we are fans of the HGH in the morning and the secretagog at night. 1 of the things that I'll throw out there is that which in my opinion, synergistically run really well as an AOD-nine 604,
28:56Speaker 0it's probably 1 of my top 5 just because it's, it's the last part of the HGH chain and its job is to burn fat.
29:03Speaker 0And, I've been running the Tesamorelin and the AOD in the last 2 months. And, my diet just because my back has been sloppier than I have been in years. I
29:25Speaker 1add the AOD in there, man, see what happens. I think you're gonna like Yeah. Hell yeah. Give it a go. I mean, you know, give the mitochondria is a go to, you know,
29:33Speaker 1if you're not doing anything redundant, right? You're doing, you're using, you're, you are activating, stimulating several different pathways
30:03Speaker 0And, we're at an infant stage, I think where peptides are even going, man. I mean, I just think that, there's, there's a lot of rad stuff ahead. So if you're listening into this for the 1st time and you stumble onto this and you're just starting to read about peptides and whatnot,
30:20Speaker 0you've come to the right place because I hope that this is the genesis of you digging in and studying peptides,
30:29Speaker 0for the most part, you're going to get a lot out of there. Just so many rad peptides out there that are really, really enhance your body. But like Will said, let's circle back around, get your hormones in line 1st.
30:43Speaker 0There's nothing more important than having your hormones in line. And in today's world,
30:48Speaker 0I'm telling you with experience, because I've, well, we both have worked with a lot of men.
30:54Speaker 0these days. The food sucks. It just is what it is. We won't go out in left field. Men have low testosterone. So if you're tired and you're sluggish and you're in anywhere from 35 to 40 plus, and you're not on testosterone,
31:05Speaker 0you haven't had your blood work, please go get your blood work and see where your testosterone and free testosterone and estrogen is at. Figure out your hormones,
31:14Speaker 0get that fixed and then start tapping into some peptides and you can live and age really well. Friends, really can. You can. If you're not doing that, I don't know what the hell you're doing. I don't know. Seriously,
31:25Speaker 0man, like you can age well. I'm 48 man and I feel better than I did at 28 man and I'm healthy, but I take a lot of supplements and do a lot of stuff to help me stay that way.
31:46Speaker 1there's tons of horror stories out there. Cool. Those are just ignorant or just unwilling,
31:51Speaker 1just dumb people who've, you know, well, you didn't know what they're to, what to do, but like, we know how to use this stuff safely. The science is there.
32:00Speaker 0Use of it. Sometimes negatives and having testosterone too, man. Like if you're super tired and lethargic and so much to live like that fellows, God did not create us to have 200 testosterone. Let me tell you that. Way. No,
32:19Speaker 0sex drive is just like a small portion of the benefits, just feeling like a man and having energy again, clear headedness,
32:26Speaker 1clear thought instead of a lot of cloudy head. You know what I mean? I can go on and on about the benefits. Yeah. And really, like, now, I often say, dude, I wish I could take more without gaining more muscle. The problem is I
32:38Speaker 1just would get too buff. I don't want to be like that, but like, I would love to take more for just only the other
32:55Speaker 0don't need to So there you go, man. I love it. Those are 2 good ones, man. I enjoyed these 2. And again, I think both people will get, people will get a lot out of both of those. Again, if you are
33:03Speaker 0having some problems with fatigue and things like that, 1st, get your blood work and make sure your testosterone and all that stuff checked. But again,
33:12Speaker 11 that is really helping people with fatigue. So give it a shot, man. Try it. Yeah, for sure. Give it shot. That one's cool. Anything else before we split? I got nothing. I got nothing. Let's just keep, we'll keep trying to bring people
33:33Speaker 0I mean, you guys can put some comments. This goes up on YouTube. It goes up on my Instagram and all my social medias. And if you want us to talk about it in any in particular that we haven't talked about, we're going to go through them 1st and then kind of circle back around, but, anything that you guys want us to dig in and then, I will again be in surgery on Friday. So I will be putting out the question
33:52Speaker 0thing on Wednesday on my social media story. So click on that link, ask Will and I any questions, and we will be recording that on Thursday this week instead, but it'll still drop on Saturday. Cool. Cool. All right. All right, my friends. Well, we enjoyed it and we will catch you on the next round. That's all we got. Good night.