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0:09Speaker 0Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast.
0:12Speaker 0I am your host JD
0:13Speaker 0Denham. As always, my buddy, my cohost,
0:18Speaker 0mister William T. Haas across the way. What's up, dude? Happy Wednesday. Happy Wednesday.
0:23Speaker 0Dude, I, was noticing your snazzy hat and my snazzy hat. We have snazzy hats. Yes, we do. These are cool new hats that we got going on here.
0:33Speaker 0Showing everybody these- Thank We're touring around with some different styles,
0:37Speaker 0obviously. Will
0:40Speaker 0is the creator of different styles. He likes that But I like Melan hats and I got this. And so, like, this is pretty much
0:48Speaker 0the same, but it's blank.
0:51Speaker 0Yeah. Yeah.
0:52Speaker 0But I like them.
0:54Speaker 0It's fun. It's fun to be some new yes. Do you know what's cool too? It's like something cool about having like your business name on a hat, just kind of cool.
1:03Speaker 0Kind of cool. Yeah. You know what mean? Like, it don't matter who you are, it's kind of cool. Even if you have a plumbing business, your business on a hat, you're pretty cool.
1:12Speaker 0Good stuff. Well, today is going to be a good 1. Will and I are thinking about
1:16Speaker 0what should we do it on? We always try to appease, but we always like
1:22Speaker 0to talk about stuff that we like too. So today we chose a little bit of that. We're going to talk about a couple compounds that are similar and what they do, different in what the compounds are obviously,
1:31Speaker 0but they're going to increase stamina.
1:34Speaker 0They're going to give you extra endurance if you're a runner, if you're someone in the gym just wants to work out longer. So these are gonna help with that type of stuff and a lot, lot more, which we will dig into. So we are gonna be GW-fifty
1:47Speaker 0thousand 1 56, which is known as Carterene.
1:51Speaker 0And we are gonna also talk about 1 of the
1:55Speaker 0probably most popular at this point peptides in the game, SLU-PP-332,
2:00Speaker 0also known as SLU-, also known as SLU-p. It doesn't matter what you call it, people love it for good reason.
2:07Speaker 1So
2:08Speaker 0yeah, I'm excited to talk about that and we might throw in some extras
2:13Speaker 0on top at the end,
2:15Speaker 0so just to kind of enhance
2:17Speaker 0these. But let's talk about these 1st. Now, we've done SLU before, so let's start with Carterene,
2:23Speaker 0my brother.
2:25Speaker 0Tell us a little bit about what it is, what it does,
2:28Speaker 0who should take it. Yeah. So Carderene is cool. So I
2:32Speaker 1guess so Carderene is also known as GW-five
2:34Speaker 10 1 5 1 6.
2:37Speaker 1Mhmm. So those of you who are doing some research on them, that is the same thing.
2:42Speaker 1Most people
2:44Speaker 1I guess it's generally classified as a SARM, although it's not actually a SARM.
2:48Speaker 1Right.
2:50Speaker 1So it's not a peptide.
2:52Speaker 1I know. But
2:53Speaker 1it's a cool it's a cool supplement. But basically,
2:57Speaker 1a, it does a couple things. It's
2:59Speaker 1the best thing you possibly can take for
3:02Speaker 1boosting your endurance.
3:04Speaker 1So anybody who is,
3:06Speaker 1I don't know, doing any weekend warrior athletics, like it is what a band. So anybody who's doing any professional events, you should not be taking this.
3:16Speaker 1You're not allowed to.
3:18Speaker 1Because, and guess what, the things that are Wada Band work
3:22Speaker 1extremely well. Alright. So
3:26Speaker 1it does a couple of things. It boosts the hell out of your endurance, right? Your muscular endurance, cardiovascular endurance.
3:32Speaker 1If you hate doing cardio, this is a good way to make cardio bearable.
3:39Speaker 1And it essentially puts your body in basically a state of ketosis, right? And a state of ketosis is where your body prefers
3:47Speaker 1and uses fat before glucose, right? So
3:50Speaker 1our energy sources on our body, right? Basic 3 basic things, right? We have fat and muscle that we carry around us. Those
3:59Speaker 1are backups,
4:01Speaker 1And number 1 energy sources, carbohydrates,
4:03Speaker 1which we eat carbs, they turn into glucose,
4:06Speaker 1then we burn them. That one's easy, quick, fast source, alright? If you're loaded up with glucose, though, guess what? Your body's not gonna be burning any fat off you, okay? So those of you who wanna carve up Yeah. Carb up for that. Yeah.
4:18Speaker 1Have an awesome workout. That's true. You might have an awesome workout, but you ain't burning any fat. Just burn fat. Yeah.
4:24Speaker 1You just burn that. Now, so basically,
4:26Speaker 1Carderine
4:27Speaker 1tells your body to bypass that and start burning fat instead.
4:33Speaker 0And it
4:34Speaker 1it freaking works. Right? It's a great it's a it's a great compound for
4:39Speaker 1anybody, like, prepping for any show, right, any cutter, anybody just trying to burn fat.
4:46Speaker 1Yeah, there's your- Workout longer. 2 main things, workout workout longer. And right. So like the endurance portion,
4:53Speaker 1it will reflect into
4:55Speaker 1more fat burn because you're gonna happily work out longer and harder.
5:00Speaker 0You're burning fat and working out longer. Easy math. Yeah. Yep. What are you burning? There you go. Right? Yep. Yeah. I remember
5:07Speaker 0so I was introduced to this compound, gosh, 6, 7 years ago. I don't know what it was, but it was a long time ago. It's like I said, numerous times, if you're new to the show, Will and I have known each other a long time and we've been talking about supplements and toying around with him for a very long time. He actually called me and said, Hey, Dihexa, I got this new compound
5:23Speaker 0and I want you to try it.
5:26Speaker 0I was like, All right, what do you got, man? It's $50,155,101
5:29Speaker 016 is how he presented it. GW-five516,
5:33Speaker 0right? I'm like, What in the world, dude? Like, that was the weirdest name.
5:37Speaker 0But anyways, I tried it because I trust him. And, man, I
5:41Speaker 0always say this, I don't care if it's placebo or not. It worked. I was lifting longer and I was staying in the gym longer. Definitely obviously think it worked, but again, I never care if it's placebo or not, because if you think your mind's If you think it's working and it's working, then it's working. You know what I mean?
5:56Speaker 0But yeah, it does.
5:58Speaker 0It's funny too, and I haven't
6:00Speaker 0really started running it for a very long time. I don't know. It's not talked about that much, at least not as much as I think with peptides kinda really kinda taking a
6:10Speaker 0a run for the front line of things in these days, even kinda like trying to compete with gear and stuff in different forms.
6:17Speaker 0I haven't really heard people talk about carding that much.
6:20Speaker 0But anyways,
6:22Speaker 0I started taking it a few days ago. It's just been a while. I've been kind of
6:26Speaker 0setting down the peptides for November and December, changing my diet, changing
6:32Speaker 0just some things. I wanna toy around with some blood work. Y'all, if you listen to the last podcast,
6:37Speaker 0we had Doctor. Scott on, who's a good friend of ours, and he ran some blood work of mine, and we wanted to try some different things.
6:46Speaker 0So, yeah, November and December, I'm kind of downshifting,
6:49Speaker 0trying to reboot, but I am gonna run some cardering because I think it's great, and it's been a long time since I've ran it, and it works really well, man. Yeah, couple of other things on there. Like, so it's
7:00Speaker 1a great fat burner that's not a stimulant. Right? Most fat burners are just- No jittery. Are stimulants. Okay?
7:07Speaker 1Which helps your thermogenesis.
7:09Speaker 1Right? It makes your heart beat faster, you burn more calories. If your, you know, if your heart is beating faster, stimulants take away your appetite. They make you more active,
7:18Speaker 1so you don't just sit on the couch. Right? They restrict your appetite. So just that that's what mostly, you know, if you go to GNC or something, you buy a fat burner, it's just gonna be a stim bomb.
7:29Speaker 1It's cool- Tingly,
7:31Speaker 0the tingly stuff. Yeah.
7:34Speaker 1Here's 1 reason. So if you researched Cagrilint, you're gonna notice, like, a lot of the
7:39Speaker 1legitimate, like, legal supplement companies out there
7:43Speaker 1reposted double post and double post
7:47Speaker 1this study that was done on cartering with some rats that gave them cancer. So they gave them something like
7:54Speaker 160
7:56Speaker 1of cartering
7:58Speaker 1over a long period of time, and a few of the rats developed cancer.
8:02Speaker 1And
8:03Speaker 1that is the details are left out of that study, but that is
8:07Speaker 1that's out there when everybody reads up on Carderine, and they're like, oh, no. That's gonna give me cancer. But like, look, dude,
8:14Speaker 1If you drink 60 times the normal amount of water, you're
8:19Speaker 1dead. If you take 60 times the amount of Advil,
8:22Speaker 1you die. Right? Right.
8:24Speaker 1Most everything
8:26Speaker 1that you take that much of is gonna be incredibly harmful for you. So mean big duh in the group here. You know what I mean? Obviously. Yeah. So just keep that. I'm not saying and now, Carter, we're gonna talk about we're gonna go over SLU-0p also because
8:41Speaker 1SLU-3P is very, very, very similar, but I would say that SLU-3P is safer.
8:47Speaker 0There are,
8:49Speaker 1you know, there can be some, like, long term I mean, we don't really know about long term actually on cartering because it hasn't been around that long, but
8:57Speaker 1it can be just like most SARMs, they're not a 100% perfectly safe, nothing is really, but SLU-1MQ is gonna be a safer bet.
9:05Speaker 1So to finish off on the Cardaring,
9:07Speaker 1I would say you're looking for about 20 to 30
9:11Speaker 1Migs a day.
9:13Speaker 1And I would do it maybe
9:15Speaker 18 to 12 weeks and then take then give his body a break
9:19Speaker 1for for a couple months and repeat if you want to, but use at your own risk.
9:28Speaker 1Yeah, it will also help when you are working out, it's gonna help prevent not only just tell the body to burn fat, but protect your muscle.
9:36Speaker 0Huge.
9:37Speaker 0Yeah, very similar to some of the ones we're going to talk about, but that's great.
9:42Speaker 0Again, if any people, I would imagine, are trying to burn fat, trying to burn fat, right? Regardless of what your objectives are, you want to keep lean
9:50Speaker 0muscle mass and you want to burn fat. This is going to shine right there. It's gonna help. It's gonna be huge. Yes, it is. It's gonna be huge. So then SLU-.
10:01Speaker 1SLU, like you said, -PP-three
10:03Speaker 132, okay?
10:05Speaker 1It is a peptide, right, and it comes in
10:09Speaker 1like a lyophilized vial and
10:13Speaker 1oral,
10:15Speaker 1I guess. So I think that the actual, like, sublingual, and this is 1 of the few that the sublingual version is probably more efficacious
10:25Speaker 1than
10:26Speaker 1actual injectable peptide.
10:28Speaker 1Very, very Both work, but
10:33Speaker 1Sublingual is the best delivery system, I think, and it works. So it is an exercise by medics, so it literally like
10:40Speaker 1tricks your body into thinking you're
10:43Speaker 1doing cardio and it makes your body react
10:46Speaker 1as if
10:48Speaker 1you have been working out, okay? And especially with the
10:52Speaker 1nutrient partitioning.
10:53Speaker 1So when we do work out,
10:55Speaker 1our body starts taking in nutrients differently and getting rid of bad nutrients differently, right? Start sucking up vitamins, protein going into muscles because we need that to rebuild our body, right?
11:07Speaker 1It starts getting rid of all the bad fat off of us
11:13Speaker 1you know, by using it for energy. So
11:16Speaker 1the nutrient partitioning is awesome. You will, if you're eating more protein and you're lifting heavy, you probably build some more muscle, you will burn more fat.
11:24Speaker 1So it's an exercise mimetic.
11:26Speaker 1It increases your VO2 max, which is the
11:30Speaker 1oxygen in your blood basically helps with your cardiovascular ability, the same way, the same thing that cautery does, not the same way that it works, but same general outcome.
11:42Speaker 1You know, it'll increase your insulin
11:44Speaker 1sensitivity,
11:46Speaker 1but nutrient partitioning
11:48Speaker 1and
11:50Speaker 1exercise mimetic and making your body
11:53Speaker 1work more efficiently
11:56Speaker 1and use fat for fuel.
11:59Speaker 0Yeah,
12:01Speaker 0I mean, just sit on that for a 2nd, which kind of if you're new to the channel or new to peptides and haven't heard of SLU-3.0
12:09Speaker 0really does do that, and then it sounds like kind of too good to be true, an exercise of a medic, right?
12:14Speaker 0If you didn't hear what he said, let me just kind of be redundant for a reason. It tricks your body into thinking it is exercising when your body is not exercising.
12:22Speaker 0And it tricks your body into thinking it's doing an intense exercise.
12:26Speaker 0No shit. Like if you obviously are
12:29Speaker 0working out, not working out, eating right, obviously it's going to enhance that.
12:34Speaker 0But not only
12:36Speaker 0does it sound amazing, it's amazing. I've done all of them. You got sublingual, you got injectable form, and you got the oral form.
12:45Speaker 0And like Will said, sublingual, we have done a lot of different studies in BOA and sublingual is definitely
12:50Speaker 0my favorite too, not just because we found it. I think we think it's the best. I've done it all, and I think it's the best. Feel the difference on it.
12:58Speaker 0Can take a lot of it. I'm not saying you should, I'm saying you can. There's a lot of people that,
13:04Speaker 0you know, guys have been doing tests and stuff, taking, I don't even know, an exorbitant amount of MIGs. I won't even like tell you how much, but it's not saying that you should, I'm just saying that you Like
13:15Speaker 0he said, it's different from the Cardene because it's not, I know it's on the SARM, but in that form, it's a peptide, so, you know, it's a lot better for you. But as the carterine, the
13:27Speaker 0fuel source that it's going to choose over the glucose is going to be fat, just like the carterine,
13:32Speaker 0so very similar. It's gonna choose the fat to burn over your glucose. So, very similar in regards to that. It helps with endurance.
13:41Speaker 0It helps with stamina.
13:43Speaker 0Same thing, very, very, very similar if you look at them as you read about them, right? But different because, know, one's a little bit healthier for you. I don't really think cartering, though, is like any type of worry based upon that, do you?
13:58Speaker 0I haven't read too many of negatives.
14:01Speaker 1I know you read that study. You told me that study, actually. I think that was a long time Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been a long time. I mean, it's been out there for a long time and it's
14:09Speaker 0Still funny how people try to manipulate
14:12Speaker 0the numbers and stuff. Welcome to the world. Yeah.
14:15Speaker 1You could do any research study. You could do
14:18Speaker 1I mean, literally, you could do any research study on anything and just manipulate how you report that, right, and not lie.
14:24Speaker 1They do. Not lie and just make it look good or bad for whatever you wanna do. Very easy.
14:31Speaker 0Have a question for you, which I'm sure people listening will probably wanna know. Should you take them together?
14:37Speaker 1I
14:39Speaker 1would say no. I would not.
14:42Speaker 1I would give them room because like, look, dude, you you want to
14:45Speaker 1you wanna do, I mean, really anything for You're like, you're trying to go up less going. A hard period of time. K? Do, like, cycle and then give your body a break. If not not even maybe because some of these things are bad for you, but just so your body doesn't get used to it and so your body
15:01Speaker 1really reacts well when you don't do it. Like, you're about you haven't ran cardio in a long, long time. I bet it's gonna work really well because you haven't So ran it a long personally, what I would do is I would run
15:11Speaker 11 of them,
15:12Speaker 1then when I'm taking a break from that, so run 1 of them, I don't know, 8, 12 weeks, I'll take a break, then do the other 1.
15:19Speaker 1So now we get basically the awesome effect of them all the way through and you're not abusing
15:25Speaker 11 of them or the other, both of them too long.
15:28Speaker 0Are you thinking people are running
15:32Speaker 0SLU-
15:33Speaker 0because I know we're gonna say at least 90 days. Let's take the Carderine even out of the mix, but people, because it's a popular peptide. It's popular for a reason, because it's amazing and it's
15:42Speaker 0gone up in regards to 1 of the most popular quickly
15:46Speaker 0because of that exercise memetic
15:49Speaker 0format.
15:50Speaker 0How long would you say that somebody should run SLU-4?
15:53Speaker 0I mean, it's
15:55Speaker 0based upon kind of the stuff we've looked into, what would you say? I would say
16:00Speaker 190 days at least.
16:02Speaker 0Take a month off, give or take? Yeah, yeah.
16:06Speaker 1That's what I have. Yep.
16:08Speaker 0Yeah, man, so that's cool. So either 1 of them are great. I've done them both. I think they're both awesome.
16:14Speaker 0Yeah, let's talk about so
16:16Speaker 0for people that are endurance runners,
16:19Speaker 0for people that are gym rats, I mean, basically anybody that's into fitness is going to thrive on either of them. Pick your poison. I would try them both, as Will said, I mean, as you should. I mean, we're gonna say this 1000000 times from here on out. We're science projects.
16:34Speaker 0If I do better on SLU, it doesn't mean you do better on SLU. You need to do your own research. We got here and even started a podcast was we've done a lot of research on ourselves for years because we were super into this stuff.
16:47Speaker 0There's no, it doesn't matter how something reads. Okay, studies show this, this, and this, but you
16:53Speaker 0might not be like that. You've got to try it for yourself. Well, that didn't really work the same for me. That's
16:59Speaker 0the best study that you just did. You just did it on yourself. That's what your body responds to. The only way you're going to do that is try these things.
17:07Speaker 0And
17:09Speaker 0Will was kind of saying, I mean, go slow and kind of build up
17:13Speaker 0in regards to that. I said that you could do quite a bit in regards to the
17:17Speaker 0SLU, but go slow. I mean, what would we say? I would say at this 0.1 mg in the morning, 1 mg at night ideally
17:23Speaker 0for pretty much anybody,
17:25Speaker 0pretty much anybody,
17:26Speaker 1right? Yes.
17:27Speaker 1Yes, I would agree. In effect,
17:31Speaker 1maybe even 3 times a day,
17:33Speaker 1and you could do more. I mean, so what you said, you said like, Hey, I don't wanna People are taking a crazy amount of this stuff, like- Unheard of. Like 20 mg,
17:44Speaker 1And we're talking 1, we're talking, you know, maybe like 1000
17:48Speaker 1micrograms,
17:48Speaker 1which is 1 mg,
17:50Speaker 1and people are taking 20 mg, if not more.
17:54Speaker 1I don't think that that's
17:56Speaker 1necessary, but I do think,
17:58Speaker 1ultimately, like me, I'm a big dude, like, for like, I'm, you know, I'm a male, I'm 2 50 pounds,
18:03Speaker 1I would probably
18:05Speaker 1go for 1 mg, which is 1000 micrograms 3 times a day. And the exercise mimetic part, right, you can say, the the active good, active 0.5 life is maybe 6 hours. So if you can keep that mimetic going
18:19Speaker 13 days a day long, right, 3 times a day that buys you that, you know, 6 hours at a time, great. That's gonna be
18:26Speaker 1better.
18:28Speaker 0Which ideally, ran properly, you wanna you're going to spend money on these products. Right? So, like, do them properly. Do them the best where they're gonna enhance your body. Very similar to, like, a testosterone replacement. You can take 1 shot a week and do great, but if you want to ideally maximize it, you're probably going to want
18:44Speaker 0you probably will get the best effect,
18:46Speaker 0little bits every single day. Nobody wants to inject testosterone every single day, I know a lot people that actually do it, that's up to them, but that's
18:54Speaker 0used
18:55Speaker 0app to ultimately get the best out of it, you know? So
18:59Speaker 0morning,
19:00Speaker 0midday,
19:00Speaker 0night for SLU, they're sublingual, so you're not injecting, that's why I'm saying that's gonna run the best way to enhance that.
19:09Speaker 1Yep.
19:10Speaker 1With testosterone,
19:11Speaker 1right, like, really the main benefit of
19:14Speaker 1more frequent injections is to cut down on side effects, right? If we can keep our hormones balanced,
19:19Speaker 1if we're not getting a whack, big infusion of testosterone,
19:23Speaker 1well, guess what? Like all of our hormones are predicated on another. So if we're just throwing you a whole bunch of testosterone in your system right now, right? Guess what? Your estrogen's gonna react. Now you're gonna get a big spike there. Now we gotta manage that, right? It's better to keep them level. Estrogen understands what it's doing. You take maybe, you know, very consistent estrogen blockers if you need them, keep that down, and then
19:43Speaker 1things are nice and easy and perfectly level.
19:46Speaker 0Right.
19:47Speaker 0Because, again, our goal as humans or anybody that's a health nut, anybody that's a fitness nut, anybody that
19:55Speaker 0lives this lifestyle is a better way to say it, regardless if you're a runner, weightlifter,
20:00Speaker 0power lifter, it doesn't matter. It's a lifestyle, right? Want to maximize your body and you want to max-
20:05Speaker 0to do that, there's there's pieces that fit to a puzzle.
20:10Speaker 0Diet, obviously.
20:12Speaker 0Hormone optimization,
20:15Speaker 0definitely.
20:16Speaker 0Right? The right exercise
20:17Speaker 0and then the right supplements. Like, there's other things that come in place in regards to supplementation.
20:23Speaker 0There's no magic pill that you can just take and all of a sudden, you know? I mean, the closest 1 might be Retatrutide,
20:28Speaker 0but other than that, you
20:31Speaker 0got to do these things, man. And
20:34Speaker 0hormone optimization,
20:35Speaker 0I would say, is in front of diet when you're older. What would you say? Would you say that same thing? Diet's Hormone
20:41Speaker 0optimization, because if you're not optimized
20:44Speaker 0with testosterone and just your hormones, it doesn't matter how good you eat, you're gonna have a hard ass time getting in shape, dude, because like you
20:51Speaker 1know what I mean? Like, you're gonna have no- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Think that, like you said, like hormone optimization.
20:57Speaker 1So like, hey, look, dude, if you are a person who has good genetics and very good, like, produces really good natural testosterone and then you have exercised and eaten perfect all your life, like, then your hormones might be
21:09Speaker 1optimal right then. Right.
21:13Speaker 1If you're not, which most of us aren't, right,
21:17Speaker 1then yeah, nothing works like it should if your hormones aren't
21:21Speaker 1optimized and being where you're at their best. And yeah, I mean, like, to your point, it's fun. People wonder why bodybuilders do what they do. It's like, it is
21:29Speaker 1it's fun and interesting to just, like, maximize
21:32Speaker 1our human genetic potential. Right? It's not fun. It's like climbing Mount Everest, man. Same shit.
21:38Speaker 0Like, right? Like, some people wanna climb Everest. Like, to me, I have no interest in it. None. None. But people do, but they're pushing their body to a limit. Right? Like, I don't want to do that even slightly. I hate cold, but I like going to the gym and like doing different diets and being like a psycho about that stuff because I get off on the discipline and stuff. But we're all different, right? You know what I mean? Some people want to build the fastest car and see how fast they could possibly move a machine, you know? Right. It's funny too, because like I get DMs, know, like I put certain posts out, man, and like, want to have some fun? Like when I post the testosterone post, you should read my comments. It's a lot of fun. And I get the guy that like, he's 47 and like, I have never done anything and I have a 5 0 7
22:20Speaker 0testosterone. Well, that's great, dude. I love it. That's great for you. I like to be higher.
22:24Speaker 0Up to you, but that's awesome.
22:26Speaker 0Not you. Way to go.
22:28Speaker 0Eat your zone, big dog. You know what mean?
22:31Speaker 0But cool, man. Yeah, those 2 are great. So let's throw a little curveballs. Let's talk about
22:37Speaker 0who in the world does not, I don't care what your objective is, even if you're a power lifter, maybe not a power lifter, but just about everybody else on the planet want to what? Burn fat. I don't care if you want to get big.
22:50Speaker 0You're super big, that's rad, but dude, you don't look fit unless you're ripped too, dude. So let's talk about some other fat burners that you can compound
22:57Speaker 0on top of either the cartering or the slew because there's a lot of them. I'm gonna just be I'm gonna like throw the biggest drum roll in the world. We're gonna start with the number 1.
23:08Speaker 0What's it gonna be to add on top of the SLU, Will?
23:12Speaker 1I'm gonna go with Retta.
23:14Speaker 0Retrutide. I'm gonna say that. Yeah. Yeah. If you haven't figured that out, our love and adoration for Retrutide
23:21Speaker 0because it's such amazing compound,
23:22Speaker 0It would go with almost anything. So number 1 is definitely gonna be Retatrutide. Retta and SLU-2Together,
23:29Speaker 0boom, gonna burn some of that fat right off your body, gonna burn it off. We've talked about Retatrutide
23:35Speaker 0ad nauseam, so if you're new here, just go back to almost every podcast because we talk about it, and it comes up on every podcast pretty much. It's not good, man. It's just like testosterone replacement. We talk about that on almost every
23:48Speaker 0podcast too, because they deserve the top seat of things.
23:52Speaker 0King is the king.
23:54Speaker 0Kings, plural.
23:56Speaker 0So you got the Retatrutide, but what would you say the 2nd? Because that would be kind of a somewhat of a matter of opinion. What would you say would take the 2nd seat
24:04Speaker 0in fat burning?
24:08Speaker 1Gosh,
24:09Speaker 1I would say I would probably go with AOD.
24:13Speaker 0AOD is great. AOD-nine
24:15Speaker 1thousand 604.
24:16Speaker 0Yeah. Anti obesity drug, if he doesn't know what that stands for and why? Because if Ricky works,
24:23Speaker 0it is the last piece of HGH chain.
24:26Speaker 0It doesn't affect your IGF-one.
24:28Speaker 0It literally has a job, basically a job, 1 job. And what does the job? Burn freaking fat,
24:34Speaker 0literally.
24:35Speaker 0You don't have to worry about, I mean, I don't particularly like worried about huge bad effects of HGH unless you're taking way too much. That's obvious. Well said, if you're taking too much of anything.
24:45Speaker 0But
24:46Speaker 0you're not gonna have any of the negative effects. You don't have to worry about the cancer. You don't have to worry about this, blah, blah, blah. You literally just burn fat. So that with SLU-
24:56Speaker 0Gosh, and you even throw Retatrutide in there too, if you wanna just burn the hell out of your fat, those 3 would be just like, Woah! Yep. AOD is great. I love it. I would honestly say it's in the top, gosh, I don't even know, maybe 3 of my favorite peptides. I freaking love it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you do. Yep.
25:12Speaker 1It's hydrophobic and so
25:15Speaker 1here's the 1 little word to the wise. If you get AOD
25:20Speaker 1and you mix it up,
25:22Speaker 1good AOD can be mixed with a bacteriostatic water. It'd be fine, but you better use it. So
25:27Speaker 1I won't ever use or get a 10 mg
25:31Speaker 1bottle of AOD. It just takes too long. Like, regardless of what you mix it in or the quality, like, it's going to gel up if it sits in your fridge.
25:39Speaker 1Gel or get gel or get you know? Cloudy. Cold. Like, cool, dark place
25:45Speaker 1is even okay. A little bit too cold can make things gel up,
25:49Speaker 1but
25:50Speaker 1you gotta use it. Use it consistently. It can't be something you forget about in a week and and now it just sits in your fridge because it's inevitably going to
26:11Speaker 0AOD
26:12Speaker 0in the 2nd seat would probably be NAD, but the most delicate
26:16Speaker 0of peptides from at least I won't speak for you, Will, experience of
26:22Speaker 0gelling
26:22Speaker 0or getting cloudy
26:25Speaker 0because my DMs are full of that, is AOD.
26:29Speaker 0So just some tricks of the trade. We've done a lot of different research in it. We don't know everything. This is just some of the research that Will and I have done. We do not know everything, so please don't take this as bond. It is our research.
26:39Speaker 0Back water
26:41Speaker 0will work just fine. It will work just fine. Here's a trick that I will use. Again, I won't speak for Will.
26:47Speaker 0They're delicate, especially AOD.
26:49Speaker 0So I use room temperature water now. I used to use cold water. I've learned myself. I continue to grow and continue to study and study and study. We have learned from
26:59Speaker 0years of doing cold water, or at least, I think that's how we both did,
27:03Speaker 0from a good friend of our Paul. Think that was a Paul thing, so we changed that. We looked into it. Yeah, that's right. And you wanna go slow.
27:10Speaker 0You put it into the bottle, put it towards the side of the bottle. Do not squirt that sucker right onto the peptide.
27:18Speaker 0It's delicate. That could be the problem right there.
27:22Speaker 0You know what I mean? That could be the problem. If you're just injecting the water
27:26Speaker 0right onto the peptide, don't do that. Let it suck it in or at least if you wanna kind of coach it. Slowly do the side of the bottle. That's gonna help AOD out, NAD as well. NAD is not as bad as AOD
27:39Speaker 0because you can put it in a lot larger of a bottle. So NAD and AOD are very similar. They're the 2, I think, that have some people say Tesamorelin.
27:47Speaker 1I've never had a problem with Tesamorelin, personally. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's gonna it's usually more human error.
27:52Speaker 1And like you said,
27:54Speaker 1yeah, not not cold water. Slowly put it slowly put it in. Right? Your vials should be, like, vacuum sealed. So it should suck the water in. There's, I guess, 1 telltale sign, like, you you
28:06Speaker 1your your bottle better be vacuum sealed. If not, like, it's not a good product,
28:10Speaker 1and I would contact the manufacturer.
28:13Speaker 1But but, yeah, you gotta maybe limit or point that needle at the side of the bottle.
28:18Speaker 1It just can't go in there too fast. They are fragile.
28:22Speaker 1Another thing that we are learning is
28:25Speaker 1glycerin
28:27Speaker 1glycerol water
28:28Speaker 1is
28:29Speaker 1an option for AOD that helps out.
28:33Speaker 1Sodium chloride, bacterial static water is another good option
28:37Speaker 1for some of the things that might sting too much.
28:42Speaker 1Can help- Hear, hear, hear. That can help stop the sting a bit. And so we're doing some we're still doing tests
28:49Speaker 1and trials on those on both those things. But
28:52Speaker 0yep. Who is it who is it that got some some glow and was talking to recently? Like, I tried to warn them and then they called me. They're like, holy shit. Like, it's not that bad, but everybody's different, man. Everybody's different, dude. I don't know. Pain tolerance,
29:06Speaker 1different again. Must not have felt real pain before.
29:10Speaker 0But you look really good.
29:13Speaker 1Yeah.
29:14Speaker 0Okay. So- AOD, we can go cool, man. AOD AOD is really is yeah. It's awesome. Red at number 1. Number 2 would be AOD in the top. The number 3rd seat's gonna go to
29:26Speaker 05 Amino-1MQ.
29:28Speaker 1What do you think? Okay. Yeah. I think that 5 Amino-1MQ is
29:33Speaker 1not like a good primary
29:35Speaker 1fat burger. I think it is an awesome addition to absolutely everything.
29:41Speaker 0That's interesting. Tell me why. That's interesting. I didn't expect you to say that. Why would you say that?
29:47Speaker 1Because
29:48Speaker 1it doesn't
29:49Speaker 1it helps break down your fat. So it helps, like, turn your, like, white
29:53Speaker 1fat to brown fat, which now can be burnt off a lot easier. Maybe just, know, think of it as a single. What's easier to melt an ice cube, big ass ice block, right, or after you chip that ice block up into ice chips, it's gonna melt
30:07Speaker 1a lot easier. Right?
30:09Speaker 1That's kind of what AOD or what 5m2 is doing. It's also boosting your, so it's stuffing an enzyme that inhibits your NAD plus. So essentially like it's allowing your NAD plus to go to increase and to stay at good optimal levels, which helps you increase your, helps you just your cell mitochondrial
30:29Speaker 1activity and efficiency and the efficacy.
30:33Speaker 1Which helps boost your ATP. ATP is our cellular energy.
30:38Speaker 1And it boosts your I mean, it helps with thermogenesis.
30:41Speaker 1It helps oxidize
30:43Speaker 1fat. Whenever we hear with oxidizing fat, what that means is basically it burns fat.
30:49Speaker 0But-
30:50Speaker 0It
30:51Speaker 0oxidizes fat.
30:54Speaker 1That's what that means.
30:56Speaker 1And I think that there are so so it's a good, like, I don't know, secondary
31:02Speaker 0to, like, a major fat. Add on. Yeah. Yeah. Good run with NAD,
31:06Speaker 0obviously.
31:07Speaker 0I mean, NAD is great because obviously for anybody that doesn't know cellular energy, so he's talking about like, it's not an energy like you drink a coffee or a pre workout. Cellular energy is just pure energy.
31:17Speaker 0Clarity of thought would be something that would be enhanced on the 5Amino-1MQ. I
31:22Speaker 0mean, dude, I don't know if you're like me, but dude, I've just, well,
31:25Speaker 0Will and I, we've just done some damage to our noggins, We were not the kindest to our brains when we were younger.
31:34Speaker 0I'm 48, he's in his earlier 40s, but I don't know, for me personally, again, I want to speak for you, but I
31:41Speaker 0seek energy level,
31:43Speaker 0clarity of thought, those are things that are so important to me, man. So those are the things that I generally am seeking. So 5 of Amino-1MQ,
31:51Speaker 1I love it, you know, because I do feel a little bit clearer. I mean, I take NAD as well, but I think those are great. Those 2. Yeah, absolutely. And I think the last 1, the L- carnitine. L- carnitine also, I think, also in the same like 5 amino category where it's a good secondary thing. It is really just helping
32:08Speaker 1shuttle
32:10Speaker 1helping shuttle fat into the mitochondria to be burnt.
32:15Speaker 1Okay? So you gotta do all the things that tells your body to
32:21Speaker 1actually get that process going, but then once it's going, the L-twenty is kind of like scooping up coal, shoving it into the furnace a whole lot faster. Right?
32:31Speaker 1Think of the old Titanic. I think it worked on coal, but
32:34Speaker 1you got 5 dudes without a shirt off sweating their ass up, shoveling more coal into the furnace.
32:41Speaker 0L Carnitine
32:42Speaker 0is amazing.
32:58Speaker 0Don't do that. In my opinion, you're probably wasting your money, but they sell it, so I wouldn't do it. But the only negative is just you gotta take a mil of it a day and just, it's just, that's a lot.
33:11Speaker 0You know, 1 mil
33:12Speaker 0of anything a day is a lot, but 1 mil every day, or some people do it 5 days a week.
33:17Speaker 0I'm always a 7 day a week type guy, whatever, each his own, dude. But, yeah, so again, I've said it before, but for anybody new,
33:25Speaker 0I run it, but I run it for a short period just because I just get suck at pinning it. And I pinned it in all kinds of different pens, man. You can't get it out of a damn insulin pen or you'll be here until Christmas. That's
33:38Speaker 0the only negative. It's amazing,
33:39Speaker 1amazing compound. It's just a bitch. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a So the other thing I hope you're on the team's cool for, take a pre workout and watch your pumps go
33:48Speaker 1up. It's gonna help increase your nitric oxide,
33:53Speaker 1which is why everybody takes, well, everybody, but I think they should, right? A lot of these pre workouts are pump product, like NO2
34:00Speaker 1boosters.
34:02Speaker 1L carnitine actually really, really works with that. So it's a vaso diet. It's going to
34:08Speaker 1dilate your veins and allow more blood to go into that muscle you're working out. And if anybody in these pumps, guys, here's 1 little lesson.
34:18Speaker 1Why does a person want pumps in the gym? Right? It's not just so they can
34:21Speaker 1look really good in the mirror. Alright?
34:24Speaker 1Blood is
34:26Speaker 1nutrients. Okay? So when we tear down muscles, right, same thing as like, hey. Why does our ankle roll? Right? Or why does our ankle swell when we roll our ankle? Right? That's God's
34:36Speaker 1that's God's way of trying to heal that ankle. So Right. When we are working out, we are tearing our muscle. We're causing damage to our muscles. Right? So our body naturally hey. Let's shove some more blood and nutrients in there. So we take a nitric oxide
34:49Speaker 1booster, and it's going to shove extra, extra, extra blood in there. So A, that's just more and more nutrients into a damaged
34:57Speaker 1muscle fiber that will help it grow back bigger and stronger and grow back faster.
35:02Speaker 1It's also
35:03Speaker 1inadvertently
35:04Speaker 1kind of tearing down. Tearing down a little bit more muscle because it's expanding.
35:08Speaker 1And the more tear, the more inflammation a person gets while working out, the bigger their muscles are gonna grow back.
35:17Speaker 1Well said. Because that's all it is. You're tearing your muscle down. Right? So,
35:21Speaker 1know, ice I like this brings to another thought. Right? Ice baths, people ice baths are awesome post workout if you're going if you're a football player and doing 2 days and you want your muscles to not be sore tomorrow. You're a bodybuilder and you wanna gain the max amount of muscle,
35:34Speaker 1probably should sit in a hot tub and
35:36Speaker 1get those muscles even more inflamed.
35:40Speaker 1Yeah. Good idea. It'll make you it'll make you more sore,
35:44Speaker 1hot tub after a workout, but probably in turn, you're reading enough nutrients.
35:48Speaker 1Post, it'll make your muscles be bigger.
35:51Speaker 0Yeah, you're not growing your muscles while you're lifting weights like a lot of people think.
35:55Speaker 0Yeah. It's the truth. That was good, man. I love that. That was fun. I knew that would be fun. We didn't even dig into, before we talked to you and, what we were gonna say that much, know, so that because I just know we love this. We'll lean on this. We'll lean on this. So what would be your if you had to choose
36:10Speaker 01 of the 2 we discussed
36:12Speaker 0and 1 of the 2 others,
36:14Speaker 0what would you say? What is
36:16Speaker 1your cup of tea today? And then I'll tell you mine. Well, I guess nobody should take my advice really, I guess. Do what I I mean, I would probably probably do for you. You'd probably do it'd be me.
36:27Speaker 1I would do Reta at a low dose and but 3 times a week, would do,
36:33Speaker 1you know, maybe 5, 10 units, which is like 0.5 a milligram or a milligram,
36:37Speaker 1and I would do Cardene at 30 mgs a day.
36:42Speaker 1Then I would take 5 amino and L carnitine.
36:45Speaker 1Just think Cardene's a little bit more effective than SLUIP, but it's not but it is less safe. And so for the general public,
36:51Speaker 1probably recommend SLUIP,
36:54Speaker 0but I'm not too worried about it. I'm not too worried about it. Yeah, yeah, that's great. I well, I'm interested, man. Again, I haven't taken it. I don't even know if I've taken it since you and I talked years ago. I don't know, maybe, but I don't it's been a long time, so whatever. I'm excited to kind of see what that does. But
37:08Speaker 0gosh, I probably would pick the SLU PP-332.
37:12Speaker 0I love it. I think it's great. It's not injected.
37:15Speaker 0I inject a lot of stuff, so therefore I'm gonna take the SLU because it's sublingual.
37:20Speaker 0And then the obvious is Retatrutide.
37:23Speaker 0It's hands down, easy peasy, easy math. It is the best Retatrutide
37:29Speaker 0by far. If I can add in 1, I will add an AOD.
37:33Speaker 0So SLU-3RTA-3AOD-
37:36Speaker 0burn fat.
37:38Speaker 1It's the thing though, we really like more and more evidence is coming out with SLU-3two. Like SLU-3two
37:43Speaker 1could be better and vastly more effective than cartering. Right? It's so new and people are now using it at higher doses and realizing like, holy crap, this stuff
37:54Speaker 1really works a lot better at this higher dose than previously thought. Know,
37:58Speaker 1at like 200 micrograms, 100 micrograms, you know. Now, people are doing it a lot more and it's really, really working.
38:05Speaker 1And that's the beauty of it, that's why peptides are where they are, right? We are realizing,
38:10Speaker 1damn, there is something,
38:12Speaker 1there is all these things that are actually just as effective,
38:15Speaker 1right, as a lot of the gear, maybe not a building muscle,
38:19Speaker 1and there's no- Cleaner, healthier. Yeah, they're cleaner, they're healthier, they're good
38:23Speaker 1for you,
38:25Speaker 1that's amazing.
38:26Speaker 1And more more will be discovered.
38:29Speaker 0Yeah, it might be why the whole world is lit on fire with peptides, man, like All walks of life, I got like 80 year olds DMing me. It's like, this is great. I love it, man. So cool stuff. Well, cool, man. We will let people go. That was rad. I hope everybody likes that 1, but that is gonna be cool. We will be dropping, obviously, we'll be recording in a couple days of q and a. I will be letting that out here soon in regards to the link for the q and a, but anything that you wanna say before we go?
38:58Speaker 1No.
39:01Speaker 1No, I do not. I guess I want to I would like feedback from people.
39:06Speaker 1Tell me, do the people want? What should we talk about?
39:09Speaker 1What specific peptides if there isn't something that we have talked about?
39:14Speaker 1Yeah, that's it.
39:16Speaker 1And I think we wanna talk more about, like, smaller stacks
39:20Speaker 0for specific reasons.
39:22Speaker 0Stacks. I think we threw this out there last time. I didn't get any responses on this, but we also wanted to kinda see if people wanted us to dig into
39:30Speaker 0the different types of proteins. If you guys want to talk about that stuff and creatine,
39:34Speaker 0we want to talk about different types of creatine. Yes, there are different types of creatines as well. So if that's something of interest, we can make an episode on just some supplements outside of the peptide world.
39:44Speaker 0Let us know. Ladies and gentlemen, we love you. We appreciate you. We'll catch you on the flip side.