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0:24Speaker 1Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week Podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Across the way as always,
0:39Speaker 1Know what day is it? It's Wednesday. Happy Wednesday. Today's gonna be a good day because we have a guest as well.
0:45Speaker 1I've known him for a long time and I'm very blessed at that. I've known him for a good 30 years. I've known him before he had doctor in front of his name, believe it or not. So 30 years, that's how long I've known this guy. So Doctor. Scott Cawley will be joining the show today.
1:00Speaker 1He knows a lot about a lot. He knows about peptides. He knows a lot about blood work. And so we're gonna be bringing him on for his expertise.
1:19Speaker 1So we're gonna bring in on that. So Doctor. Cauley, welcome. Thank you, good to be here. Thanks for having me.
1:25Speaker 1I'm excited to have you on here, man. So feel free to chime in on anything, man. We wanna hear your opinion because
1:38Speaker 1let's talk about the probably pound for pound the best damn peptide there is, dude. Retatrutide
2:42Speaker 2which signals to your brain that you are full. You're gonna be fuller longer. Unfortunately, that has a bunch of side effects, including a ton of nausea.
3:03Speaker 2eat any food and you lose weight. Now it did have kind of a bad rap. I've said this before because people are saying, Oh, well, I hear that it's just it's really bad and it makes you lose your hair. Makes your eyesight go out. Right?
3:25Speaker 2Still a little bit of nausea, not And now it starts to burn fat. It's a little bit neuroprotective,
3:35Speaker 2It is going to, yes, make you feel fuller longer. So it's basically like forcing you to eat small frequent meals. You cannot eat a lot.
3:43Speaker 2You'll get way too full. It's forcing us to eat healthy, which is small frequent meals.
4:00Speaker 2it on these times where I'm too busy, I don't eat for 4 or 5 hours instead of being hangry and angry and grumpy,
4:09Speaker 2shooting glucose into my brain and I still feel alert and happy even though I haven't eaten any food. Right?
4:17Speaker 2I think that, I mean, these clinical trials are showing, you know, people, the average people are losing 24 pounds in 48 weeks. Now we see a lot faster than that, but it's
4:51Speaker 1Yeah. That That's helpful. I mean, yeah, it's a lot. I mean, you know, I think that it just has gotten better and better and better like life does. Like, Semaglutide,
5:21Speaker 1have heard those types of things, meaning it's for fat loss or trying for people that are overweight,
5:28Speaker 1trying to lose weight. As myself, long before I started reading about it and digging into it,
5:34Speaker 1It's a powerhouse of a peptide. You have every walk of life people doing it. You have people trying to lose weight, you have gym rats, you have bodybuilders
5:43Speaker 1taking it. Why? Because it works in all different forms, man. You can do it by structuring your dosage
5:59Speaker 1once I started reading about it, I was blown away. I was like, This sounds freaking amazing.
6:05Speaker 1did it, I tried it, I wanted to see if I'm going to talk about it, I wanna see how you feel, right? And I I was blown away by it. I mean, I'm pretty lean as it is, but man, my skin got so
6:21Speaker 3It is just insane, man. It is such a powerhouse of a peptide. What do you think, Doctor. Scott? I know you know a lot about Retrutide or GLP-three as well. What's your opinion on it? Yeah, I was waiting to chime in here. So, on the clinical side, I wanna talk about that, what I'm seeing on blood work, is always go to the blood work because you know the proof's in the pudding right there. If you're doing something bad, you're doing something good. You want to look at, you know, blood tests versus new blood testing comparisons.
7:03Speaker 3regression in fatty liver and blood sugar issues. I mean, that's what it was produced for with diabetics,
7:08Speaker 3I mean, that's what Ozempic was for, right? The GLP-one that was kind of a disaster. I think there was a lot of sides with that. People lose a lot of muscle mass. I know a lot of people were losing weight, they were flabby and so, you know, not
7:19Speaker 3the best 1. Obviously they're getting better and better at this. I think they really refine this with Retrutide because
7:26Speaker 3I got on it about a month ago and again, JD took me a couple of weeks for me to feel the effects.
7:34Speaker 3Had a little bit of issues at the very beginning, but man, it's just sometimes you just gotta kind of ride that out. And yeah, I got my blood work back and it's amazing. I mean how much better things look on. And then with my patients, I mean, do a lot of, you know, I've worked with patients for years and years and years who will be working on blood sugar issues and fatty livers and things like that. This thing really,
8:00Speaker 3unfortunately they're not, unfortunately they're not having to take medications for triglycerides,
8:21Speaker 3issues that we're seeing out there that are so rampant right now in our country. Mean, 1 out of 3 people in this country right now are pre diabetic,
8:30Speaker 3destructive to our bodies. People think because they're pre diabetic they're in the safe zone. No, you've an HbA1c
8:36Speaker 3of 5.7 and 6.3, you're damaging tissue, you're damaging cells, you're inflaming your body at that level. So you know, getting on it on something like this, and also of course, you know, you gotta work diet in there too, of course, we know how important diet is and some supplementation, but you throw that all together and,
9:03Speaker 3it's not easy just to say, hey, here's some supplementation and here's a diet, we're gonna radically change your diet, which you've been used to that standard American diet all your life.
9:16Speaker 3the sugar out, right, taking the carbs out initially, not not long term, taking it out initially.
9:25Speaker 3they get immediate result, they start to their appetite starts to drop, it's almost like a catapult
9:44Speaker 3and then guess what, man, they can't do it. They fall off the wagon, you know, they come back into me with the tail between their legs, you know, professing how they're running day on what I asked them to do. Retrutide
9:55Speaker 3has made a huge significant difference in keeping that going where they're motivated. I get to tell them that, hey, when you do eat, let's eat some really high nutrient packed foods because you are cutting down your amount of food.
10:09Speaker 3So don't like cut it down and eat crap. You gotta cut it down and eat the really good stuff. So on top of that, you're getting the weight loss, getting the fatty liver, getting the blood sugar down, and then you're giving people a whole bunch of really nutrient
10:21Speaker 3dense foods that starts helping so many other things in their body. The gut, the brain, the thyroid, all these things start to work better, and it's amazing to see how much better these people could feel so much faster.
10:44Speaker 1you'll probably agree with this too, with just training people and you too, Scott, I know you do personal training.
10:49Speaker 1They don't even know what healthy is. Like, I'll say, what's healthy? I want to know their
10:54Speaker 1idea of what they think is healthy. And like, you're blown away by the responses that you get. They truly have no idea. So if we sit there for a 2nd and those are the people that we're working with, we're trying to help, right? They don't know how to eat healthy. They don't know how healthy, what healthy is, right?
11:13Speaker 1So when you go to the gym and you are your testosterone super low and you're thinking you're eating healthy, but you're not eating healthy, you go to the gym even for 2 weeks, you're making yourself go, but you see no results, you give up. Why? Because you're not seeing results. Why the hell am I going to the gym, right? The cool thing about Retatrutide
11:34Speaker 3that they see quick results like this and that motivates you, I want more. Yep, well that's exactly what I was saying, JD. It's a good motivational
11:45Speaker 3Get that spark to get these people in the right direction to remember to make a lifestyle change. This isn't a diet, this is a lifestyle. You
11:54Speaker 3not just today, not just for a month, not just for a year, this is for the rest of your life, and you know, yeah, there's things you could do, you know, over time. You get healthy 1st, you know, get your body healthy 1st, and then you can start talking about maybe bringing in something that you like, you know, oh man, I miss pizza. Okay, well, you know, that's something that you might go to do 1 day again, not on a, you know, continual basis, but to treat yourself here and there, and you can get away with it.
12:18Speaker 2Yeah. I remember, JD JD, when we talked about this 1st, when I was experimenting with it and I said, you know, hey, man. You should talk about this. I know that your discipline is kinda off the charts, but, dude, like, 99%
12:30Speaker 2of people aren't. Right? And so people sometimes need a little crutch, a little help at the beginning, man. Yeah.
12:43Speaker 2portion control and good eating habits. And that kick starts everything. I mean, psychologically, yeah, hell yeah, that's motivating. Then you come back for more and more and more and more.
12:52Speaker 1Think about it. We have such a unique experience to be able to see a lot of people that start it, you know, and like a lot of people are skeptical,
13:01Speaker 1friend told them this and all that other stupid stuff. And then they try it, then literally 2 weeks later, they're like, Woah, dude, like, dude, like, Woah, like, dude, I've lost like 9 pounds, you know, and like, they're so excited.
13:37Speaker 2The onset of actual results is a bit slower acting than, say, tirzepatide or semaglutide.
13:45Speaker 2You found that. I find people take it a couple of weeks and it really hits its stride.
14:01Speaker 3a little bit of muscle tissue breakdown. I'm feeling like the Reta, the Retrite type definitely has been,
14:10Speaker 3you're in the gym. Obviously, you you wanna be working out to get the best effect with this. And then of course, you know, for some
14:16Speaker 3of the gentlemen out there, I know I'm not just speaking to men, I'm speaking to women too, and there's women on TRT too, but you know, sometimes that testosterone
14:24Speaker 3can really be a good help in this if that's needed, if the patient needs or they can use it, you know, you're getting up in their 40s.
14:32Speaker 3you know, those levels decline. So can you combat some of that, that own unwanted muscle loss? Yeah, but again, it's very minimal of what I'm seeing with ARA-2.0 compared to, know, the previous 2 that are
14:46Speaker 3probably going to be scooted out here in the near future, it seems like everybody's figuring that out and I know even Eli Lilly,
14:54Speaker 3are stamping this and putting it out in May. They're gonna have their own brand of Retatrutide.
14:59Speaker 2So, you know, be ready. It's gonna hit the market hard. Yeah, I bet it is. And everybody will be doing it. And yeah, you're right, like the bigger
15:06Speaker 2differences between those other 2, they did cause nausea. Right? And that is not the intended effect of this drug. Right?
15:14Speaker 2People are like, Oh, well, I start taking Retina. I have a little appetite. That's good. The actual intended effect was not to take away your appetite completely. That's just what the nausea side effects did, right?
15:28Speaker 2was not the drug, right? But what's beautiful this time, okay, cool. Retta, now you can eat. You can eat protein and guess what? That helps and your dang
15:36Speaker 2you enjoy it. That's what this is why he said, right, people are losing weight, but they're just losing weight indiscriminately.
15:42Speaker 2Right? And they're now they're flabby and they've lost 20 pounds and and 10 of it's muscle. With Reta, you actually now can intake some protein and keep a lot of your muscle
15:52Speaker 2and actually look good now with the weight loss going. So yeah, you should be able to eat. You just not a lot
16:19Speaker 3from what the standard American diet feeds us and still get every single nutrient that we need as long as we're eating healthy foods, right? I'm not gonna get that off of french fries, but you know, like I'm just saying like the necessity,
16:31Speaker 3the body needs, we are so overdoing it. We're putting so much extra energy into our body and it's being stored as what?
16:39Speaker 3Yep, fat. Fat. It's going in our fat, going in our liver causing fatty liver, causing blood sugar issues, causing gut issues. I mean, it's just the list goes on and on. So the amount of food, you know, decreases. It's more realistic for I think how
16:52Speaker 3what God intended for our bodies to really have, you know what I mean? We're definitely, you know, there's
17:04Speaker 3I think especially in America, know, there's a lot of gluttony going on and that is gonna feed obviously into these health issues that we're seeing.
17:12Speaker 2Yeah, I always tell my clients, like, look, dude, you should never feel full. There's no need. You should eat till you're satiated.
17:25Speaker 2just because you're programmed to, right, just because you're used to it. Like, it's unnecessary it's completely unnecessary, in fact, it's not good for you. So we should never be starving. Right? We should never be really, really, really hungry
17:38Speaker 2unless you're planning and doing a fast. Right? But like, just kind of satiated is where we should stay
17:46Speaker 3Right on with that, man. Right on with that. Trying to train your body to not be stuffed
17:55Speaker 3into eating until our bellies almost want to pop, know, and then we feel like, got our money's worth.
18:01Speaker 0Walk away from the table man, it's not enough. It's about saying, okay, I no took him down.
18:07Speaker 0you're right. It's about just getting what we know we need. Get our portion in. This is what we need. Is the Well, look at it like this. Look at it like this. I mean, it's we all know this. I mean, let me list kind of this, state the obvious. When you walk into the grocery store,
18:22Speaker 1look at how it's presented, all these rad colors, Doritos are this color, Trix are this color, it's all shit food, but it looks beautiful. You know what I mean? And like somebody that has an actual problem, like not knocking those people, I was an ex heroin addict, like knocking anybody.
18:35Speaker 1My problem is not food, but people have problems with food, right? I don't walk into a heroin store.
18:46Speaker 0this is gonna give them a barrier. This is the type of stuff, thank God, these are out there because some people just,
18:53Speaker 1we're pretty disciplined. I've known you both for a long time and the reason we all got together because we love lifting weights, we love talking about this stuff, it comes easy to us, we're blessed, right? Whatever.
19:02Speaker 1Not everybody's like that. They have no clue about nutrition. There's a lot of people that have never even walked into a damn gym, right? And now they're overweight,
19:13Speaker 1they're seeking something different. I mean, we all talk to them in different forms, you too, Doctor. Scott. We talk to them all the time and like, thank God, they're
19:26Speaker 1jacking up their guts. The doctor spends no time with them. I mean, again, for those people, Doctor. Scott came in my office recently and did my blood work and sat down with me, not because he's my friend, and literally thoroughly went through it for a good, what, hour and 0.5, Scott? We went through it for so long
19:45Speaker 1talked about that stuff, the gut, the things like that. It's time that people educate themselves
19:51Speaker 1so that they can have these barriers to stop them from some of this crap food, western medicine jacking up their gut, all that. You know what I mean? Let me ask you this. In your opinion,
20:08Speaker 1or in just in general, what are some of the problems that people like are too scared to even start at? Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolytes, 0 sugar, and vitamins.
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20:30Speaker 1Just because they've heard things about, like, teeth falling out and, like, hair being brittle and all that stuff, is that do you hear those same things? Well, there's, you know, there's
20:43Speaker 3social media saying don't take this, you're gonna get cancer. Don't take this, you're gonna get pancreatitis.
20:48Speaker 3Don't take yada yada yada, it's gonna cause this and that and that. So again, I think that
20:53Speaker 3there are some people out there, you know, you might wanna be careful with, you know, obviously jumping on anything, but
21:20Speaker 3which could be from many, many problems, right? There's many things that could cause, you know, chronic constipation.
21:27Speaker 3That might be something that you gotta be careful with because it may slow things down more and cause some issues. When I have patients who do experience
21:38Speaker 3it's usually a gut side effect. It might be that I'm a little backed up, guess what we do? We put you on a GLP fiber product and I put you on some magnesium,
21:47Speaker 3make sure that the diet's right, make sure we get those bowels moving. That's very important to make sure your bowels are moving. You wanna make sure you're having a bowel movement every day, you know, if you don't have 1 once a day, that's not good. So that's kind of my red flag or my barrier with prescribing or
22:15Speaker 3a couple patients that I can think of off the top of my head who struggled a little bit, who we had to, you know, make few changes in their diet and their supplementation
22:28Speaker 1some of the issues that at least I've run across, well, I'm gonna ask your opinion on this too because I know we talk to different people, but the
22:34Speaker 1skin thing, it's fairly common. Like, there's people that like how their skin gets kind of rashy and like they can't, their shirts like rub. I've never felt that, you know, but it's fairly common to where they
22:51Speaker 2I remember you told me, I have, I was like, I've never even heard that from anybody. Yeah, I've been hearing it more and more. Doctor. Cagli. Yeah, I was gonna say I had that. So I had the sunburn effect, so it was
23:02Speaker 3interesting. Yeah, it almost felt like, well, what is this? Am I getting like a flu or something like that? But it was just a very weird like, was more in my thighs, down my legs. It was just more of a felt like a sensitivity, almost like a hypersensitivity
23:15Speaker 3of my skin. So I felt like if anything cold or anything hot touch, it was very sensitive.
23:20Speaker 3Again, that was initially, that's gone. Yeah, runs the scores quick. The 1st 10 days, it was interesting. Yeah. And I've really only experienced
23:32Speaker 3because I love to be able to experience what the patient might be feeling. They do have a funny side effect. I can say, you know what? I know exactly what you're going through because I had that. But it's it was very it's very rare that I see that, but again, I was I was 1 of those people who did experience that.
23:57Speaker 3theory behind that is I'm wondering like when you're burning fat, you know, you're releasing milk. Remember,
24:03Speaker 3fats hold your toxins, right? That's where our toxins go. We are constantly being bombarded by toxins every day, it's inevitable.
24:11Speaker 3When you store toxins in your body, mean where's this store? Know the liver, the fat cells. So if you're burning fat and you're actually releasing
24:24Speaker 3Is that potentially the issue why it's like a detox kind of effects? I don't know. Makes sense because when people detox that's a common, I do a lot of detoxifications in my clinic here with all kinds of different toxins and you know, 1 of the symptoms they get is that, they'll feel funny skin sensations. They might feel that sunden feeling, might feel some achiness in their joints, something like that.
24:45Speaker 3You know, gotta make sure you're purging those toxins out of your body. Sometimes using binders and things like that are gonna be important. Make sure that you're not recirculating toxins. That's a whole nother topic though. Let's get into blood work. Let's get into, let's see, let's hear from, I mean-
24:59Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. I think that, I mean, we'll kind of segue into that. So, I mean, we could go on and on about Retrutide forever. Mean, Will and I talk about it all the time anyway, so anybody that listens to the podcast, we love it.
25:09Speaker 1There you go. Pound for pound, best peptide out there in my opinion. But blood work. So, Scott, Doctor. Scott, tell
25:30Speaker 1you are so thorough when you go through the blood work. Who should be running their blood work and how often? Is it everybody? Is it older people like us like us in our forties? Who would you say should run it on a regular basis?
25:48Speaker 3it kinda depends, you know, it depends, you know, 20 year olds? Yeah, sure, why not? Why wouldn't you wanna see kind of where you're at? I run a lot of blood work on 20 year olds because they kind of wanna know where they're at in their health. You know, by the time you hit 20 with the standard American diet, you're already probably heading down the chronic illness wagon here. So it's good, kind of good to see kind of where somebody's at their 20s. It's not something that you would do every year, you know, on a 20 year old. You start getting up in your 30s and 40s, yeah, I mean, I think that,
26:17Speaker 3really taking a good look at a real blood panel, of course, you know, not, something that we're seeing from
26:25Speaker 1you know, insurance is kind of limiting to a lot of people out there. They know that you gotta kind of step outside the insurance model these days to really get a good look. We'll talk about that. I wanna get off that point real quick. Let's talk about that. Let's not go away from that. So like, meaning what? So like just a typical, if you go into a typical MD, they're gonna run a very,
26:49Speaker 1for most people, the type of panels that, I mean, lot of doctors don't even run free testosterone.
26:57Speaker 1So what would you recommend to somebody listening to this? Like what type of panel should they run?
27:09Speaker 3I'm a holistic doctor, so we get going up down the holistic, you know, pathway here, you really get to,
27:23Speaker 3But what I'm seeing, I've just seen these really small panels that is not giving any information about where the patient's at with their health.
27:34Speaker 3You gotta look at a lot of these inflammatory markers. You gotta look at a deeper look into cholesterol,
27:43Speaker 3You gotta look at the immune markers and really see, you know, the immune system is such an important system in the body, probably the most important system in the body because it's gonna dictate really chronic illness, which is rampant in this country right now. You know, at 70, I think they say 75 percent of the country has a chronic condition.
28:00Speaker 3What I heard lately, I also heard that cancer is up 80 percent over the past 10 years. It's like It's more than that. Why is that? You know why that is? Because nobody knows what's going on with their body. Nobody knows,
28:13Speaker 3one's looking, nobody's checking. You're going to your insurance doctor, you're getting this much, right? And again, I'm not doubting or I'm not trying to come down on all insurance doctors. I do see some
28:29Speaker 3So I just think that there's a limit, they're limited because of the insurance model. So, you know, kind of taking a good look at
28:46Speaker 3Sometimes that can go in further down. And I think I'm a big gut guy. So, you know, going further down the rabbit hole into stool testing and looking at gut health, because I firmly believe that most illness stems from the gut. But again, you gotta look at the blood. You gotta look at how toxic you are. You gotta look at how much inflammation you're having, how much, how much
29:07Speaker 3oxidative stress is at the body, right? Look at a real thyroid panel. It's not just 2 or 3 markers,
29:14Speaker 3But really look at all the patterns of potential thyroid dysfunction, right? You wanna look at those inflammatory markers.
29:21Speaker 3None of them are being ran. I don't see any of them being ran on a standard insurance panel.
29:27Speaker 1So, you know- Was lack of knowledge from a doctor, like in your opinion and not to knock on doctors, that's not the point of this question, but is it lack of a doctor's knowledge to ask for that? Because if you're going to be a doctor that runs a blood panel and sees somebody's cholesterol, which you just said, it doesn't really tell you much. There's always other things that you need to know, but they're putting people on statin drugs
30:10Speaker 3because we know now how important cholesterol really is for the body. And remember high cholesterol,
30:20Speaker 3you know, there's so many things that cholesterol in our brains is 20% cholesterol. You know, every,
30:26Speaker 3the all, every up to 30,000,000,000,000 cells in our body, they're all dependent. The outer portion of that cell is partially cholesterol, right? Or hormones. What are they made of? They're made of cholesterol, right? Cholesterol is actually actually giving cancer perspective.
30:51Speaker 3the particle size and the particle number, the oxidation of the LDL. You really see is that cholesterol a threat? Is the homocystin high? Is your ferritin up? Is your ESR?
31:05Speaker 3right? So again, you know, going back to do doctors not know. I mean, I'm sure they know we would,
31:18Speaker 3new, we just know that a lot these doctors, you know, if there's not a drug to fix it, there's no need for them to run it.
31:26Speaker 2Yeah, that's too bad. That's too damn bad. I mean, because you and you Take Hashimoto's. Let's take Hashimoto's. That's the 1 Hashimoto's
31:33Speaker 3right now. Huge. Autoimmune thyroid disorder. Right? Mhmm. I'm seeing so much of that right now, you know, and
31:59Speaker 3because you're treating the wrong thing. You're treating the thyroid, not the immune system.
32:08Speaker 1But again, so you're saying they're treating it wrong. So again, is it lack of knowledge?
32:22Speaker 1if they know? That's what I'm saying. Did they just not know that it is the gut? I guess that's kind of a
32:29Speaker 1question that I probably know that you're gonna answer. I mean, you know me and having some gut issues for a very long time. When I went into a GI doctor and told him, I thought I had leaky gut, he looked at me like I was a dinosaur.
32:40Speaker 1He's like, Leaky gut? Where did you get that? That doesn't exist. I'm like, Well, I kind of read a lot about it, so I think I got it.
32:49Speaker 3known, you know what I mean? But this was a GI- Well, just say, that's funny you say that, JD, guess what they all know now because there's the medication now that just came up for leaky gut.
32:58Speaker 3Guess what? Now they know about leaky gut. This has been talked about for a really long time and they just goof with it. It is such
33:08Speaker 3They don't know obviously because if they knew they wouldn't have foo fooed you away like that. We know by, there's research done on everything now that how that works, that leaky gut comes about, what causes leaky gut, what actually happens. You're opening up that gut lumen, things that are supposed to go in the toilet are going into your bloodstream. What is that doing? It's called a parasite. Body sees Your it as a
33:27Speaker 3immune system responds. Your immune system responds, you're gonna form things that are gonna cause issues, you can start attacking on tissues, you're gonna get autoimmunity,
33:38Speaker 3you're gonna have, your hair is gonna fall out. I mean, there's all kinds of things that would come about because of leaky gut. So, you know, definitely something, I like to test on people is to see the degree of leaky gut, and, that's very important. It's very important to see, to make sure that, you know, establish whether a patient
33:54Speaker 3has that or not, and it's kind of a spectrum thing, you know? How do you do that? How do you test for that? How do you test for that in particular? It's a different way to do it, know, stool testing is kind of an indirect way. There's a market called zonulin. Zonulin is approaching that holds the tight junctions of your gut lining together. When you see a lot of zonulin in the stool, you know that the tight junctions are being torn apart because of inflammation
34:26Speaker 3where you have a lot of different, you know, bad bacteria in the gut, food sensitivities,
34:36Speaker 3But yeah, the zonulin is 1 way to look at it. There's blood tests you can look at it also.
34:40Speaker 2All right, question for you. So let's say I'm a person who wants to take peptides and a lot of these peptides are
35:03Speaker 2yes, power the mitochondria. SS-thirty 1 is helping the integrity of the cell wall. NAD is helping with regeneration.
35:12Speaker 2Let's say I wanna go buy peptides, but maybe, I don't know if I do have degrading cells and am I just gonna waste my money buying these peptides if I don't have a deficiency?
35:25Speaker 2Is there some markers that can help a person out and says, Hey, yeah, you probably should take some of these things because this is what I'm saying. How
36:05Speaker 3Am I absorbing my nutrients? Am I breaking them down well? Do I have absorption problems? Am I getting the foods in my body, the vitamins, the minerals, the antioxidants
36:17Speaker 3function to be able to produce that ATP, which is the bottom line. We want to produce energy. Mitochondria
36:26Speaker 3stress? I keep on going back to that word because it's so important. Oxidative stress destroys
36:41Speaker 3peptides to double enhance that function? So you want to kind of work it on a holistic approach, There we go, holistic again, right? Looking at it all of it and working all angles of that to make sure you have the best mitochondrial function you can. Decreasing inflammation,
36:56Speaker 3getting those vitamins, minerals, nutrients, any options you need. Make sure you're hydrated. Make sure you're able to bring water into the cell. That's important. A lot of people, I see dehydration all over their blood since they say, Doctor. Scott, I drink 5 gallons of water a day. I said, yeah, the water is not driving into the cell because you have inflammation. Inflammation will
37:16Speaker 3keep that water out, right? Number 2, glucose. How is your blood sugar doing? Are you getting that glucose?
37:22Speaker 3Is insulin working well, bringing that glucose into the cell? Because you gotta have glucose for mitochondrial function to make it, right? You gotta have water. Hey, are you anemic? There's a lot of people who have B12 iron deficiency,
37:40Speaker 3doing so that you're getting red blood cells and getting oxygen into the cell, right? You gotta have oxygen.
38:00Speaker 3You know, you got so many different markers to look at. You want to see how's the thyroid working? How is thyroid produced? Is the brain working well with the thyroid to communicate well to produce the thyroid hormone? Is the thyroid hormone converting well? Words converts in the gut, the liver, and the kidney so that you're getting a nice fraction of what's called free T3 hormones.
38:19Speaker 3So, you know, it's that whole approach and then making sure that we're absorbing our nutrients, we're getting our nutrients
38:36Speaker 2I'll keep these questions limited. So how about that? What's your thoughts on Methylene Blue? Yeah, I'm seeing, I mean, I use it, I'm on it. I've
38:50Speaker 3and even some energy on that. And that's kind of what people are taking it for. I mean, been a great brain product.
39:02Speaker 3you know, these severe brain issues that so many of us are elderly grandparents are being subjected to today. So I think it's a great product.
39:10Speaker 2I don't see anything wrong with it at all. How about just B, how about some B12 injections?
39:33Speaker 3in my opinion, can have a little bit of a toxic effect on it, so I don't use injections.
39:40Speaker 3vitamin B12 that goes under the tongue and absorbs right into the, bloodstream that way.
40:08Speaker 3whatever. There's many other issues that can degrade that methylation pathway, is an important detoxification
40:13Speaker 2pathway. So what are some, I know we haven't really touched on like, okay, I don't know. Can you talk a little bit about testosterone in men
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41:16Speaker 3T3 free, that's the 1, that's the endgame, that's hormone that hits the receptor and does the job on the cell, just like free testosterone.
41:24Speaker 3You wanna make sure you have enough free. There is some guys who have a good amount of total in the freeze to the floor. And why is that? Well, they have too many, binding proteins in the body, which is a whole nother topic about why that would be elevated.
41:39Speaker 3is really important to look at, not just the total, there's also weekly bound testosterone. Absolutely. That's another way to kind of look at another, you know, level of testosterone.
41:48Speaker 3So total free and weekly bound testosterone really to get a really good idea of that. Looking at estrogens also in the body and making sure that if you know you're gonna do TRT, wanna get a baseline of your estrogen, basically estradiol.
42:12Speaker 3is great for that, don't get me wrong. And it helps a lot of men, know, who have ED who might start feeling demotivated,
42:24Speaker 3it's about heart health, bone health, gut health. I mean, testosterone receptors on many, all these different organs, and it's very important to think of it at that aspect.
42:36Speaker 3you know, he's like, yeah, this is my level. I was at 3 something and my free is 9. I said, but
42:47Speaker 3still doing fairly well with intimacy with my wife. I said, that's wonderful. Said, but you got to think about these other things. You got to think about your brain, your gut, your heart, your bones. You know, it's not just about that. So I think that, again, educating people more about what testosterone really does in the body.
43:19Speaker 3my important thing on a woman is making sure adrenal function is healthy. Adrenal glands will take over when a woman goes into menopause,
43:27Speaker 3right? Those adrenal glands, you know, those ovaries shut down, they no longer produce estrogen. Guess what takes over? The adrenal glands take over. Those are your stress glands.
43:36Speaker 3There is so much stress in this world right now. It's not just emotional stress, it's dietary stress, it's chemical stress, it's emotional stress that attacks those adrenal glands. When a woman's going into menopause,
43:48Speaker 3guess what happens? If she has adrenal fatigue, she's gonna have a really hard time going through menopause because that's the those are the women who are going to have all the side effects from menopause. They're gonna be going to these doctors and getting put on all these hormones, which some of them I think are definitely necessary
44:07Speaker 3But, you know, even even a woman, I'm seeing some really great results with TRT with women.
44:26Speaker 3not not overdoing it because a woman does not want virilizing effects. So they'll start noticing some some changes that,
44:34Speaker 3you know, might not be too comfortable, but there is there is a balance and it's just about finding that balance.
44:48Speaker 3levels. You want to look at all these kind of things on these panels to kind of see where they're at hormonally.
45:24Speaker 3could always say well that's because your hormones are off that's why you're feeling well why are my hormones off? A lot of women come to me hey I want to throw up can you run my hormones because I'm feeling this this and that. Said well 1st let me look a little bit deeper than that. Let's look to see if there's something causing the hormones to possibly be causing you to possibly have these hormonal symptoms that you're experiencing.
45:44Speaker 1What's missing. That's awesome, man. That's missing today. That's what's missing. Those types of questions, like that's what's missing from a lot of doctors that I think are getting people in
46:07Speaker 1all of it. And I just, the frustrating thing for me is doctors don't ask those questions. I mean, you and I were sitting down the other day and we were putting pieces
46:17Speaker 1of me together, looking at this, compounding on this, all that stuff, right? And you said, Well, how are you sleeping? And that was 1 of the most important questions.
46:28Speaker 1would actually say that to other people, but I hadn't thought through it where my sleep sucked lately.
46:34Speaker 1then I told you that the next weekend, my wife and I went away and I had a lot of sleep for 2 days. I felt like a new human the next 2 days.
46:47Speaker 1the above, all of the questions that need to be asked by doctors. So if you're listening to this,
47:00Speaker 1Obviously a doctor that's gonna do what Doctor. Scott is doing, which is he's going to dig into
47:06Speaker 1the problem. It's not the surface, putting a band aid on the problem like most do. There's all these problems that yield that problem and you've got to get to the bottom of the problem,
47:17Speaker 1the real problem, to fix the problem. There's not that many doctors that I see doing that.
47:21Speaker 1Doctor. Scott, you're 1 of my best friends. I love you. But I don't say this for that reason. I know that you
47:28Speaker 1do that. It's like, that's why we had you on the show. You dig into that stuff and it's, man, we need more of you out there, dude.
47:41Speaker 2Yeah, no doubt, I think it will. So I know that we just scratched the surface of, know, you could talk for hours and
47:55Speaker 2You know, we'd probably get too many questions that we couldn't possibly answer them, and you'd have too many answers. But we will so we'll have you back for sure. Great. I love to be back. I appreciate you guys having me. And how do people
48:11Speaker 2I guess, how do I Yeah. Mean, may not be the best way. I guess, yeah, I mean, can I ask you 1 last question? 1 last question. I'm sorry. Yeah. If I'm looking to get my HGH or testosterone tested,
48:23Speaker 2how fat to get an accurate test, what's the timing look like? Should I like how much before that test should I do my testosterone injection? How much before that should I do my last HGH injection?
48:42Speaker 3you know, are doing like 2 injections. The easiest way to do this is when someone does testosterone
48:48Speaker 3once a week, let's say they inject on a Monday, right, or let's just say they they say they inject on a let me take take that back. Let's say they inject on Fridays, right, well, I have them go in like on a Wednesday.
48:59Speaker 3Okay. Okay. But if they're doing if they're if they're injecting on Monday and Thursday,
49:47Speaker 3you might have more aromatization where you're estrogen- That's why I do it separately.
50:01Speaker 3than maybe do Monday. I'm doing Monday and Thursday, that's what I do right now. I guarantee,
50:10Speaker 3a week or once a week, know, with anything because the levels, know, the 0.5 life of that is keeping it up anyways, know, what
50:22Speaker 3how I tell my guys to measure, you know, far as if they're doing once a week or twice a week, that's the only way you can do it.
51:04Speaker 3it's kinda I mean, if you wanted to get if I wanted to throw out a bracket, yes, 700 to 900, you know, 1000
51:10Speaker 3seems to be, it's different with everybody. It's kind of subjective on that end too, it's like where is your sweet spot, you know what I mean? So again,
51:21Speaker 3know, and looking at other things down the line, not just, you know, testosterone level, but making sure that what their dose is is not affecting,
51:40Speaker 3is a lot of guys come to me. They've been on TRT for, you know, 2 34 years and they're doing the say they're they're shooting 202 50 mg a week. It's it's not good. It's too much. I'm
51:51Speaker 3seeing that, I'm seeing a lot of mess, I'm seeing a lot of inflammation, I'm seeing a lot of oxidative stress, I'm seeing things that aren't
51:56Speaker 3very pleasing to me, you know. And again, lot of them aren't methylating, they're not taking fish oil, you know, there's other things that they're not doing, you know, tootka and liver, you you gotta supplement
52:06Speaker 3when you're gonna do that. Especially if you're gonna keep your levels high like that. I always say, you know, maybe you wanna bring it down and then you can kind of cycle up and down, and that's
52:18Speaker 3or 150 mg a week for whatever, you know, for a few months and you want to bump it up a bit and go up. Mean,
52:25Speaker 3just got to be responsible. You got to be responsible for the health. I mean, we're all stewards of our bodies and our health. We've to make sure you're speaking.
52:40Speaker 3On a TRT level, that's not a bodybuilding. That's a TRT level. Right. Bodybuilding, yeah. Your bodybuilding
52:49Speaker 3that's not my expertise right there. I'm not I don't push guys into that. I push guys into health where I can see them healthy. Right? Yeah. A free a free testosterone,
53:05Speaker 3Then getting back to you, Will, on your question about HGH, I didn't forget about that. So you check the IGF-one level to measure that and
53:13Speaker 3guys are doing HGH every day, you know, it's a daily injection, so go get your blood and then do your injection now.
53:26Speaker 3Yeah. But you are Anything expecting synthetic is gonna spike right away in the blood, right? Anything you put in your body, boom, you're gonna go get tested. So, you know.
53:35Speaker 2Yeah, so just do your regular 1 the night before, the morning before or whatever, however you do it, but don't
53:41Speaker 2take like a week long break and then try to get your blood tested and then come back and say, Oh,
53:58Speaker 3let me give you an example. If you're doing testosterone, there's people who even do testosterone every day. You know that? They might go dose testosterone.
54:16Speaker 2I know, that's the only problem. I mean, I do, I believe in philosophy like, look, yeah, predict all hormones, everything is predicated on something else, right? 1 hormone change, little bit, everything else changes. The name of the game is just keep things level and- Yeah, keep it level balanced. So
54:31Speaker 2I guess that would indicate, hey, if you could do it every day, same time of day, same amount, that's great, but then that means you gotta stick yourself 7 days. Not realistic. Sucks, it's not realistic. Okay,
54:44Speaker 1Scott, Doctor. Scott, we love you, man. I mean, we could talk, we all could talk forever. So yeah, we'd love to have you back on as we will, man. But yeah, I know, I'm assuming there's gonna be some people that wanna talk to you as they should.
54:57Speaker 1I refer a lot of people to you, through my DMs of people looking for blood work and whatnot, because he really does care, he really does dig deep into it, and he's 1 of the rarer breeds that I know, and it's not because he's my friend, it's because he tries to help people, man.
55:35Speaker 1We'll link it. We'll put it in there. So we'll we'll make it easy to find you, but I love it, man. I enjoyed that, guys. I enjoyed that a lot, man. I could talk about this stuff forever. Anything before we leave, Will? What do you think? I think everybody should do that, by the way.
55:58Speaker 2wanna take any supplements or you, I mean, just it's a little bit of money that we're gonna teach you a ton
56:05Speaker 2make your life a whole lot better, right? Can I say 1 more thing about that Will? Of You in that.
56:12Speaker 3just kind of mentioned you know about supplements. So a lot of people have no idea what they need supplement wise. There's thousands
56:19Speaker 3of supplements on the market and people are just buying stuff because they heard it's good. They don't know how much to take, they don't know what to know, what brand to take, they don't know if what they're taking, it's good if it's real. I think that's important to really know what does your body need by looking at blood work, allows me to know exactly what you need, how much you need, how long you need to take it. And I mean,
56:42Speaker 3in on supplementation that you really, really need. I'm not a huge supplement guy, I'm more a diet guy eating the right way, but everybody can use some supplemental health. I'm not gonna put you on 20 supplements,
56:53Speaker 310. Try to find the best pack for a patient that really can optimize their health along with obviously eating right, which a lot of people need to learn how to eat right.
57:03Speaker 2Hip right, be right. Huge man. Well, right on, cool. Yep, thank you. Well, cool man. Well, I enjoyed that and,
57:11Speaker 1yeah, we'll make it easy to find Doctor. Scott and, other than that, we will catch you on the flip side. Take care. What do got?