Peptide of the Week: Retatrutide – Fat Loss, Insulin Sensitivity & Metabolic Health Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-of-the-week-retatrutide-fat-loss-insulin-sensitivity-metabolic-health/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:00 Speaker 0: Propel fitness water with Gatorade electrolytes, 0:03 Speaker 0: 0 sugar, and vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade electrolytes. 0:24 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week Podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Across the way as always, 0:31 Speaker 2: buddy and my cohost, William T. Hawk. What's up, dude? What's up, my man? Happy 0:36 Speaker 2: Wednesday. 0:39 Speaker 1: Know what day is it? It's Wednesday. Happy Wednesday. Today's gonna be a good day because we have a guest as well. 0:45 Speaker 1: I've known him for a long time and I'm very blessed at that. I've known him for a good 30 years. I've known him before he had doctor in front of his name, believe it or not. So 30 years, that's how long I've known this guy. So Doctor. Scott Cawley will be joining the show today. 1:00 Speaker 1: He knows a lot about a lot. He knows about peptides. He knows a lot about blood work. And so we're gonna be bringing him on for his expertise. 1:08 Speaker 1: Today, we are gonna be talking about is Retatrutide. 1:11 Speaker 1: We'll start with Retatrutide, 1:12 Speaker 1: we're gonna bleed into, 1:15 Speaker 1: for lack of a better way to say it, blood work. Right? 1:19 Speaker 1: So we're gonna bring in on that. So Doctor. Cauley, welcome. Thank you, good to be here. Thanks for having me. 1:25 Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you on here, man. So feel free to chime in on anything, man. We wanna hear your opinion because 1:32 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this, you're a smart guy. So we're welcome to have you here. So 1:38 Speaker 1: let's talk about the probably pound for pound the best damn peptide there is, dude. Retatrutide 1:45 Speaker 1: GLP-three. 1:48 Speaker 1: Man, it is a damn powerhouse. 1:51 Speaker 1: Most people that try it, stay on it because it's amazing, 1:55 Speaker 1: and we can go on for days talking about it. So Will, tell us a little bit about 2:00 Speaker 1: GLP-three 2:02 Speaker 1: and start us off, man, tell us a little bit about it. Who should take it? 2:07 Speaker 2: Alright. I mean, I guess 2:09 Speaker 2: this comes from 2:10 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a law it's it's generation 3, I suppose, of Semaglutide, 2:15 Speaker 2: right, that started 2:16 Speaker 2: started this whole thing, which is GLP-one. 2:19 Speaker 2: You want everybody you may see these things as GLP-1s. 2:23 Speaker 2: The generation 2 is tirzepatide, 2:26 Speaker 2: GLP-2T, 2:29 Speaker 2: and then retentratide 2:31 Speaker 2: is GLP-3R. 2:33 Speaker 2: They all have a GLP-one 2:35 Speaker 2: receptor. So that is going to slow gastric emptying. It's really just kind slow 2:41 Speaker 2: digestion, 2:42 Speaker 2: which signals to your brain that you are full. You're gonna be fuller longer. Unfortunately, that has a bunch of side effects, including a ton of nausea. 2:52 Speaker 2: But people were losing a ton of weight. It doesn't really burn fat. 2:56 Speaker 2: Okay? The 1st 1, the deal somebody who doesn't burn fat. 2:59 Speaker 2: You lose weight when you starve to death. 3:02 Speaker 0: Just don't 3:03 Speaker 2: eat any food and you lose weight. Now it did have kind of a bad rap. I've said this before because people are saying, Oh, well, I hear that it's just it's really bad and it makes you lose your hair. Makes your eyesight go out. Right? 3:15 Speaker 2: It does not. That's what malnutrition does, right? So 3:19 Speaker 2: then 3:21 Speaker 2: tirzepatide 3:21 Speaker 2: came next, which adds in the GIP receptor. 3:25 Speaker 2: Still a little bit of nausea, not And now it starts to burn fat. It's a little bit neuroprotective, 3:31 Speaker 2: but 3:32 Speaker 2: Retta is amazing. 3:35 Speaker 2: It is going to, yes, make you feel fuller longer. So it's basically like forcing you to eat small frequent meals. You cannot eat a lot. 3:43 Speaker 2: You'll get way too full. It's forcing us to eat healthy, which is small frequent meals. 3:48 Speaker 2: It is burning your white fat and brown fat. 3:52 Speaker 2: It is really, really helping any, like, fatty liver, 3:56 Speaker 2: and it's going to help I love it actually most because 4:00 Speaker 2: it on these times where I'm too busy, I don't eat for 4 or 5 hours instead of being hangry and angry and grumpy, 4:07 Speaker 2: it is now 4:09 Speaker 2: shooting glucose into my brain and I still feel alert and happy even though I haven't eaten any food. Right? 4:17 Speaker 2: I think that, I mean, these clinical trials are showing, you know, people, the average people are losing 24 pounds in 48 weeks. Now we see a lot faster than that, but it's 4:26 Speaker 2: The evidence is, 4:28 Speaker 2: I think tirzepatide's 4:30 Speaker 2: data was like 20 pounds. 4:32 Speaker 2: Reta's 24 pounds. 4:34 Speaker 2: Man, you feel good. Right? On the previous tube, there was some nausea and 4:40 Speaker 2: GI tract issues, but with Reta, there is none of that. 4:45 Speaker 2: I guess there can be a little bit 4:47 Speaker 2: for ultra sensitive people, but there's a quick breakdown. 4:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. That That's helpful. I mean, yeah, it's a lot. I mean, you know, I think that it just has gotten better and better and better like life does. Like, Semaglutide, 5:00 Speaker 1: if anybody's taken that that's listening, 5:02 Speaker 1: stop. There's just better compounds, even trisepatide's 5:06 Speaker 1: light years ahead of Semaglutide. 5:08 Speaker 1: It's just get off Semaglutide, there's better products out there. But 5:12 Speaker 1: I think where a lot of people get 5:16 Speaker 1: the people that haven't been willing to try it yet are the people that just 5:21 Speaker 1: have heard those types of things, meaning it's for fat loss or trying for people that are overweight, 5:28 Speaker 1: trying to lose weight. As myself, long before I started reading about it and digging into it, 5:34 Speaker 1: It's a powerhouse of a peptide. You have every walk of life people doing it. You have people trying to lose weight, you have gym rats, you have bodybuilders 5:43 Speaker 1: taking it. Why? Because it works in all different forms, man. You can do it by structuring your dosage 5:52 Speaker 1: correctly, 5:53 Speaker 1: what your objective is, 5:56 Speaker 1: my experience with it, just so whoever cares, 5:59 Speaker 1: once I started reading about it, I was blown away. I was like, This sounds freaking amazing. 6:04 Speaker 1: And I 6:05 Speaker 1: did it, I tried it, I wanted to see if I'm going to talk about it, I wanna see how you feel, right? And I I was blown away by it. I mean, I'm pretty lean as it is, but man, my skin got so 6:16 Speaker 1: lean and just so tight within like a week. My mind was blown. 6:21 Speaker 3: It is just insane, man. It is such a powerhouse of a peptide. What do you think, Doctor. Scott? I know you know a lot about Retrutide or GLP-three as well. What's your opinion on it? Yeah, I was waiting to chime in here. So, on the clinical side, I wanna talk about that, what I'm seeing on blood work, is always go to the blood work because you know the proof's in the pudding right there. If you're doing something bad, you're doing something good. You want to look at, you know, blood tests versus new blood testing comparisons. 6:50 Speaker 3: And 6:50 Speaker 3: man, I was telling you this Retrutide 6:52 Speaker 3: and 6:53 Speaker 3: even Tirzepatide seemed 6:56 Speaker 3: to be a pretty decent product, 6:58 Speaker 3: but 6:59 Speaker 3: I'm seeing some amazing 7:01 Speaker 3: quick 7:03 Speaker 3: regression in fatty liver and blood sugar issues. I mean, that's what it was produced for with diabetics, 7:08 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what Ozempic was for, right? The GLP-one that was kind of a disaster. I think there was a lot of sides with that. People lose a lot of muscle mass. I know a lot of people were losing weight, they were flabby and so, you know, not 7:19 Speaker 3: the best 1. Obviously they're getting better and better at this. I think they really refine this with Retrutide because 7:25 Speaker 3: I personally, again, 7:26 Speaker 3: I got on it about a month ago and again, JD took me a couple of weeks for me to feel the effects. 7:34 Speaker 3: Had a little bit of issues at the very beginning, but man, it's just sometimes you just gotta kind of ride that out. And yeah, I got my blood work back and it's amazing. I mean how much better things look on. And then with my patients, I mean, do a lot of, you know, I've worked with patients for years and years and years who will be working on blood sugar issues and fatty livers and things like that. This thing really, 7:55 Speaker 3: peptide 7:56 Speaker 3: really has kicked that in gear to where 8:00 Speaker 3: unfortunately they're not, unfortunately they're not having to take medications for triglycerides, 8:04 Speaker 3: it's bringing down the lipids. 8:06 Speaker 3: And again, HbA1c levels dropping drastically. 8:11 Speaker 3: Great product, man. I think it's revolutionizing 8:15 Speaker 3: this whole market and it's gonna revolutionize the diabetic 8:19 Speaker 3: and fatty liver 8:21 Speaker 3: issues that we're seeing out there that are so rampant right now in our country. Mean, 1 out of 3 people in this country right now are pre diabetic, 8:28 Speaker 3: which is still 8:30 Speaker 3: destructive to our bodies. People think because they're pre diabetic they're in the safe zone. No, you've an HbA1c 8:36 Speaker 3: of 5.7 and 6.3, you're damaging tissue, you're damaging cells, you're inflaming your body at that level. So you know, getting on it on something like this, and also of course, you know, you gotta work diet in there too, of course, we know how important diet is and some supplementation, but you throw that all together and, 8:52 Speaker 3: it's great to see people 8:54 Speaker 3: getting healthy on top of that. This is really big you guys. 8:58 Speaker 3: A lot of people come to me who wanna get healthy, they wanna lose weight, right? 9:02 Speaker 0: And 9:03 Speaker 3: it's not easy just to say, hey, here's some supplementation and here's a diet, we're gonna radically change your diet, which you've been used to that standard American diet all your life. 9:13 Speaker 3: It's sometimes it's not taking 9:16 Speaker 3: the sugar out, right, taking the carbs out initially, not not long term, taking it out initially. 9:22 Speaker 3: When you put Retrutide in the picture, 9:25 Speaker 3: they get immediate result, they start to their appetite starts to drop, it's almost like a catapult 9:33 Speaker 3: into 9:34 Speaker 3: a real good program to change their lifestyle. 9:36 Speaker 3: People have such a hard time 9:39 Speaker 3: trying to initially change their lifestyle. They might last a week, maybe a month, 9:44 Speaker 3: and then guess what, man, they can't do it. They fall off the wagon, you know, they come back into me with the tail between their legs, you know, professing how they're running day on what I asked them to do. Retrutide 9:55 Speaker 3: has made a huge significant difference in keeping that going where they're motivated. I get to tell them that, hey, when you do eat, let's eat some really high nutrient packed foods because you are cutting down your amount of food. 10:09 Speaker 3: So don't like cut it down and eat crap. You gotta cut it down and eat the really good stuff. So on top of that, you're getting the weight loss, getting the fatty liver, getting the blood sugar down, and then you're giving people a whole bunch of really nutrient 10:21 Speaker 3: dense foods that starts helping so many other things in their body. The gut, the brain, the thyroid, all these things start to work better, and it's amazing to see how much better these people could feel so much faster. 10:32 Speaker 0: I 10:33 Speaker 1: 1 10:35 Speaker 1: of the problems that humans in general have, 10:39 Speaker 1: specifically 10:39 Speaker 1: people like Americans, 10:41 Speaker 1: our diets are just horrible. Well, 10:44 Speaker 1: you'll probably agree with this too, with just training people and you too, Scott, I know you do personal training. 10:49 Speaker 1: They don't even know what healthy is. Like, I'll say, what's healthy? I want to know their 10:54 Speaker 1: idea of what they think is healthy. And like, you're blown away by the responses that you get. They truly have no idea. So if we sit there for a 2nd and those are the people that we're working with, we're trying to help, right? They don't know how to eat healthy. They don't know how healthy, what healthy is, right? 11:11 Speaker 1: And they want instant gratification. 11:13 Speaker 1: So when you go to the gym and you are your testosterone super low and you're thinking you're eating healthy, but you're not eating healthy, you go to the gym even for 2 weeks, you're making yourself go, but you see no results, you give up. Why? Because you're not seeing results. Why the hell am I going to the gym, right? The cool thing about Retatrutide 11:31 Speaker 1: is it could be the little spark 11:34 Speaker 3: that they see quick results like this and that motivates you, I want more. Yep, well that's exactly what I was saying, JD. It's a good motivational 11:43 Speaker 2: tool, 11:44 Speaker 2: definitely. 11:45 Speaker 3: Get that spark to get these people in the right direction to remember to make a lifestyle change. This isn't a diet, this is a lifestyle. You 11:53 Speaker 3: gotta think 11:54 Speaker 3: not just today, not just for a month, not just for a year, this is for the rest of your life, and you know, yeah, there's things you could do, you know, over time. You get healthy 1st, you know, get your body healthy 1st, and then you can start talking about maybe bringing in something that you like, you know, oh man, I miss pizza. Okay, well, you know, that's something that you might go to do 1 day again, not on a, you know, continual basis, but to treat yourself here and there, and you can get away with it. 12:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. 12:16 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 12:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember, JD JD, when we talked about this 1st, when I was experimenting with it and I said, you know, hey, man. You should talk about this. I know that your discipline is kinda off the charts, but, dude, like, 99% 12:30 Speaker 2: of people aren't. Right? And so people sometimes need a little crutch, a little help at the beginning, man. Yeah. 12:37 Speaker 2: Most do. This is what it most most people do, and that's okay. 12:40 Speaker 2: And for real, yeah, it just forces 12:43 Speaker 2: portion control and good eating habits. And that kick starts everything. I mean, psychologically, yeah, hell yeah, that's motivating. Then you come back for more and more and more and more. 12:52 Speaker 1: Think about it. We have such a unique experience to be able to see a lot of people that start it, you know, and like a lot of people are skeptical, 13:00 Speaker 1: their brother's 13:01 Speaker 1: friend told them this and all that other stupid stuff. And then they try it, then literally 2 weeks later, they're like, Woah, dude, like, dude, like, Woah, like, dude, I've lost like 9 pounds, you know, and like, they're so excited. 13:14 Speaker 1: And you see this little light bulb go on and 13:17 Speaker 1: it's freaking amazing, man. And especially 13:20 Speaker 1: in today's world where we want instant gratification, 13:23 Speaker 1: I want it fixed now. 13:25 Speaker 1: This is 1 compound that literally works almost 13:28 Speaker 1: that fast. 13:30 Speaker 2: It does. It does. I will say it, so maybe And, 13:33 Speaker 2: Doctor, you can point to this. It's a little bit slower acting. 13:37 Speaker 2: The onset of actual results is a bit slower acting than, say, tirzepatide or semaglutide. 13:45 Speaker 2: You found that. I find people take it a couple of weeks and it really hits its stride. 13:51 Speaker 0: Do you find that? Lot of muscle wasting in this too. Sometimes you gotta 13:56 Speaker 3: expect that it is gonna sometimes 13:59 Speaker 3: cause 14:01 Speaker 3: a little bit of muscle tissue breakdown. I'm feeling like the Reta, the Retrite type definitely has been, 14:07 Speaker 3: much less than that, especially if 14:10 Speaker 3: you're in the gym. Obviously, you you wanna be working out to get the best effect with this. And then of course, you know, for some 14:16 Speaker 3: of the gentlemen out there, I know I'm not just speaking to men, I'm speaking to women too, and there's women on TRT too, but you know, sometimes that testosterone 14:24 Speaker 3: can really be a good help in this if that's needed, if the patient needs or they can use it, you know, you're getting up in their 40s. 14:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, 14:32 Speaker 3: you know, those levels decline. So can you combat some of that, that own unwanted muscle loss? Yeah, but again, it's very minimal of what I'm seeing with ARA-2.0 compared to, know, the previous 2 that are 14:46 Speaker 3: probably going to be scooted out here in the near future, it seems like everybody's figuring that out and I know even Eli Lilly, 14:54 Speaker 3: are stamping this and putting it out in May. They're gonna have their own brand of Retatrutide. 14:59 Speaker 2: So, you know, be ready. It's gonna hit the market hard. Yeah, I bet it is. And everybody will be doing it. And yeah, you're right, like the bigger 15:06 Speaker 2: differences between those other 2, they did cause nausea. Right? And that is not the intended effect of this drug. Right? 15:14 Speaker 2: People are like, Oh, well, I start taking Retina. I have a little appetite. That's good. The actual intended effect was not to take away your appetite completely. That's just what the nausea side effects did, right? 15:25 Speaker 2: This, I mean, that 15:28 Speaker 2: was not the drug, right? But what's beautiful this time, okay, cool. Retta, now you can eat. You can eat protein and guess what? That helps and your dang 15:36 Speaker 2: you enjoy it. That's what this is why he said, right, people are losing weight, but they're just losing weight indiscriminately. 15:42 Speaker 2: Right? And they're now they're flabby and they've lost 20 pounds and and 10 of it's muscle. With Reta, you actually now can intake some protein and keep a lot of your muscle 15:52 Speaker 2: and actually look good now with the weight loss going. So yeah, you should be able to eat. You just not a lot 16:01 Speaker 2: at 1 time. You know, we eat Hey, good. We as Americans, 16:05 Speaker 3: especially in America, we're worst. 16:07 Speaker 3: We eat so much. We overeat and it's not, I mean how necessary, 16:14 Speaker 3: I mean we could really realistically, we can all cut down our portion size in 0.5 16:19 Speaker 3: from what the standard American diet feeds us and still get every single nutrient that we need as long as we're eating healthy foods, right? I'm not gonna get that off of french fries, but you know, like I'm just saying like the necessity, 16:31 Speaker 3: the body needs, we are so overdoing it. We're putting so much extra energy into our body and it's being stored as what? 16:39 Speaker 3: Yep, fat. Fat. It's going in our fat, going in our liver causing fatty liver, causing blood sugar issues, causing gut issues. I mean, it's just the list goes on and on. So the amount of food, you know, decreases. It's more realistic for I think how 16:52 Speaker 3: what God intended for our bodies to really have, you know what I mean? We're definitely, you know, there's 16:58 Speaker 3: the sin of gluttony, right? 17:00 Speaker 3: We all kind of have been, you know, subjected to that downfall, 17:04 Speaker 3: I think especially in America, know, there's a lot of gluttony going on and that is gonna feed obviously into these health issues that we're seeing. 17:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I always tell my clients, like, look, dude, you should never feel full. There's no need. You should eat till you're satiated. 17:19 Speaker 2: Right? 17:20 Speaker 2: And that's it. That's it. I know you wanna eat the other 0.5 of that thing 17:25 Speaker 2: just because you're programmed to, right, just because you're used to it. Like, it's unnecessary it's completely unnecessary, in fact, it's not good for you. So we should never be starving. Right? We should never be really, really, really hungry 17:38 Speaker 2: unless you're planning and doing a fast. Right? But like, just kind of satiated is where we should stay 17:44 Speaker 2: at and you'll be- It's a great balance. Point. 17:46 Speaker 3: Right on with that, man. Right on with that. Trying to train your body to not be stuffed 17:51 Speaker 3: because like you said, we're so almost, we're like programmed 17:55 Speaker 3: into eating until our bellies almost want to pop, know, and then we feel like, got our money's worth. 18:01 Speaker 0: Walk away from the table man, it's not enough. It's about saying, okay, I no took him down. 18:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, 18:07 Speaker 0: you're right. It's about just getting what we know we need. Get our portion in. This is what we need. Is the Well, look at it like this. Look at it like this. I mean, it's we all know this. I mean, let me list kind of this, state the obvious. When you walk into the grocery store, 18:22 Speaker 1: look at how it's presented, all these rad colors, Doritos are this color, Trix are this color, it's all shit food, but it looks beautiful. You know what I mean? And like somebody that has an actual problem, like not knocking those people, I was an ex heroin addict, like knocking anybody. 18:35 Speaker 1: My problem is not food, but people have problems with food, right? I don't walk into a heroin store. 18:40 Speaker 1: They walk into these stores 18:42 Speaker 1: all the time and like if they don't have, 18:46 Speaker 0: this is gonna give them a barrier. This is the type of stuff, thank God, these are out there because some people just, 18:53 Speaker 1: we're pretty disciplined. I've known you both for a long time and the reason we all got together because we love lifting weights, we love talking about this stuff, it comes easy to us, we're blessed, right? Whatever. 19:02 Speaker 1: Not everybody's like that. They have no clue about nutrition. There's a lot of people that have never even walked into a damn gym, right? And now they're overweight, 19:10 Speaker 1: but the best part of this is that 19:13 Speaker 1: they're seeking something different. I mean, we all talk to them in different forms, you too, Doctor. Scott. We talk to them all the time and like, thank God, they're 19:23 Speaker 1: trying to step away from some Western medicine that's 19:26 Speaker 1: jacking up their guts. The doctor spends no time with them. I mean, again, for those people, Doctor. Scott came in my office recently and did my blood work and sat down with me, not because he's my friend, and literally thoroughly went through it for a good, what, hour and 0.5, Scott? We went through it for so long 19:44 Speaker 1: and we 19:45 Speaker 1: talked about that stuff, the gut, the things like that. It's time that people educate themselves 19:51 Speaker 1: so that they can have these barriers to stop them from some of this crap food, western medicine jacking up their gut, all that. You know what I mean? Let me ask you this. In your opinion, 20:04 Speaker 1: with your experience with like the Retrutide compared to the Tirzepatide, 20:08 Speaker 1: or in just in general, what are some of the problems that people like are too scared to even start at? Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolytes, 0 sugar, and vitamins. 20:20 Speaker 0: Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? 20:27 Speaker 0: Propel with Gatorade Electrolytes. 20:30 Speaker 1: Just because they've heard things about, like, teeth falling out and, like, hair being brittle and all that stuff, is that do you hear those same things? Well, there's, you know, there's 20:39 Speaker 3: you're seeing like people like even on like Instagram, 20:43 Speaker 3: social media saying don't take this, you're gonna get cancer. Don't take this, you're gonna get pancreatitis. 20:48 Speaker 3: Don't take yada yada yada, it's gonna cause this and that and that. So again, I think that 20:53 Speaker 3: there are some people out there, you know, you might wanna be careful with, you know, obviously jumping on anything, but 21:00 Speaker 3: personally I haven't seen anything. I haven't seen any of the 21:03 Speaker 3: claims come about. My caution is 21:08 Speaker 3: for somewhat to do with any type of a GLP 21:10 Speaker 3: product 21:12 Speaker 3: is if you have a disaster 21:15 Speaker 3: of a gut where you're having severe gut issues, especially constipation, 21:20 Speaker 3: which could be from many, many problems, right? There's many things that could cause, you know, chronic constipation. 21:27 Speaker 3: That might be something that you gotta be careful with because it may slow things down more and cause some issues. When I have patients who do experience 21:35 Speaker 3: any type of side effect from Retrutide, 21:38 Speaker 3: it's usually a gut side effect. It might be that I'm a little backed up, guess what we do? We put you on a GLP fiber product and I put you on some magnesium, 21:47 Speaker 3: make sure that the diet's right, make sure we get those bowels moving. That's very important to make sure your bowels are moving. You wanna make sure you're having a bowel movement every day, you know, if you don't have 1 once a day, that's not good. So that's kind of my red flag or my barrier with prescribing or 22:03 Speaker 3: putting people on or recommending retreutide 22:06 Speaker 3: would be to really kind of get a good idea of their gut health. 22:10 Speaker 3: And again, most people do well with it. I've had 22:15 Speaker 3: a couple patients that I can think of off the top of my head who struggled a little bit, who we had to, you know, make few changes in their diet and their supplementation 22:24 Speaker 3: to make sure that they're doing it. I think 1 of the, 22:28 Speaker 1: some of the issues that at least I've run across, well, I'm gonna ask your opinion on this too because I know we talk to different people, but the 22:34 Speaker 1: skin thing, it's fairly common. Like, there's people that like how their skin gets kind of rashy and like they can't, their shirts like rub. I've never felt that, you know, but it's fairly common to where they 22:46 Speaker 1: have you run across that to where their skin kind of gets a little itchy and whatnot? 22:50 Speaker 0: So 22:51 Speaker 2: I remember you told me, I have, I was like, I've never even heard that from anybody. Yeah, I've been hearing it more and more. Doctor. Cagli. Yeah, I was gonna say I had that. So I had the sunburn effect, so it was 23:02 Speaker 3: interesting. Yeah, it almost felt like, well, what is this? Am I getting like a flu or something like that? But it was just a very weird like, was more in my thighs, down my legs. It was just more of a felt like a sensitivity, almost like a hypersensitivity 23:15 Speaker 3: of my skin. So I felt like if anything cold or anything hot touch, it was very sensitive. 23:20 Speaker 3: Again, that was initially, that's gone. Yeah, runs the scores quick. The 1st 10 days, it was interesting. Yeah. And I've really only experienced 23:27 Speaker 3: 2 other patients that had what I had. So I'm kind of glad I got that 23:32 Speaker 3: because I love to be able to experience what the patient might be feeling. They do have a funny side effect. I can say, you know what? I know exactly what you're going through because I had that. But it's it was very it's very rare that I see that, but again, I was I was 1 of those people who did experience that. 23:48 Speaker 2: I take that back. My girlfriend's 23:50 Speaker 2: sister 23:50 Speaker 2: actually had that happen to her with Tirzepatide. 23:56 Speaker 3: I'm The 23:57 Speaker 3: theory behind that is I'm wondering like when you're burning fat, you know, you're releasing milk. Remember, 24:03 Speaker 3: fats hold your toxins, right? That's where our toxins go. We are constantly being bombarded by toxins every day, it's inevitable. 24:11 Speaker 3: When you store toxins in your body, mean where's this store? Know the liver, the fat cells. So if you're burning fat and you're actually releasing 24:19 Speaker 3: some fat, you're gonna be releasing some of those toxins into your body. 24:24 Speaker 3: Is that potentially the issue why it's like a detox kind of effects? I don't know. Makes sense because when people detox that's a common, I do a lot of detoxifications in my clinic here with all kinds of different toxins and you know, 1 of the symptoms they get is that, they'll feel funny skin sensations. They might feel that sunden feeling, might feel some achiness in their joints, something like that. 24:45 Speaker 3: You know, gotta make sure you're purging those toxins out of your body. Sometimes using binders and things like that are gonna be important. Make sure that you're not recirculating toxins. That's a whole nother topic though. Let's get into blood work. Let's get into, let's see, let's hear from, I mean- 24:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I think that, I mean, we'll kind of segue into that. So, I mean, we could go on and on about Retrutide forever. Mean, Will and I talk about it all the time anyway, so anybody that listens to the podcast, we love it. 25:09 Speaker 1: There you go. Pound for pound, best peptide out there in my opinion. But blood work. So, Scott, Doctor. Scott, tell 25:17 Speaker 1: us a little bit about, 25:19 Speaker 1: to just be so vague, 25:21 Speaker 1: like, 25:22 Speaker 1: who should get blood work? I mean, is it 20 year olds? Is it 40 year olds? Obviously, 25:28 Speaker 1: you 25:30 Speaker 1: you are so thorough when you go through the blood work. Who should be running their blood work and how often? Is it everybody? Is it older people like us like us in our forties? Who would you say should run it on a regular basis? 25:44 Speaker 3: Kind of a 25:47 Speaker 3: big question because 25:48 Speaker 3: it kinda depends, you know, it depends, you know, 20 year olds? Yeah, sure, why not? Why wouldn't you wanna see kind of where you're at? I run a lot of blood work on 20 year olds because they kind of wanna know where they're at in their health. You know, by the time you hit 20 with the standard American diet, you're already probably heading down the chronic illness wagon here. So it's good, kind of good to see kind of where somebody's at their 20s. It's not something that you would do every year, you know, on a 20 year old. You start getting up in your 30s and 40s, yeah, I mean, I think that, 26:17 Speaker 3: really taking a good look at a real blood panel, of course, you know, not, something that we're seeing from 26:23 Speaker 3: unfortunately insurance, 26:25 Speaker 1: you know, insurance is kind of limiting to a lot of people out there. They know that you gotta kind of step outside the insurance model these days to really get a good look. We'll talk about that. I wanna get off that point real quick. Let's talk about that. Let's not go away from that. So like, meaning what? So like just a typical, if you go into a typical MD, they're gonna run a very, 26:43 Speaker 1: for lack of a better way to say it, 0.5 assed blood panel. 26:46 Speaker 1: What do you recommend in regards to, 26:49 Speaker 1: for most people, the type of panels that, I mean, lot of doctors don't even run free testosterone. 26:54 Speaker 1: They're just so, 26:56 Speaker 1: know, blah. 26:57 Speaker 1: So what would you recommend to somebody listening to this? Like what type of panel should they run? 27:04 Speaker 3: So 27:04 Speaker 3: what I'm seeing from, you know, insurance doctors, are very limited. Remember, 27:09 Speaker 3: I'm a holistic doctor, so we get going up down the holistic, you know, pathway here, you really get to, 27:17 Speaker 3: the sky's the limit to what I can run. So, 27:21 Speaker 3: and unfortunately you're outside the insurance model. 27:23 Speaker 3: But what I'm seeing, I've just seen these really small panels that is not giving any information about where the patient's at with their health. 27:30 Speaker 3: You really need to look at 27:32 Speaker 3: the 27:33 Speaker 3: holistic approach. 27:34 Speaker 3: You gotta look at a lot of these inflammatory markers. You gotta look at a deeper look into cholesterol, 27:40 Speaker 3: know, 27:41 Speaker 3: total LDL and HDL and tell you nothing. 27:43 Speaker 3: You gotta look at the immune markers and really see, you know, the immune system is such an important system in the body, probably the most important system in the body because it's gonna dictate really chronic illness, which is rampant in this country right now. You know, at 70, I think they say 75 percent of the country has a chronic condition. 28:00 Speaker 3: What I heard lately, I also heard that cancer is up 80 percent over the past 10 years. It's like It's more than that. Why is that? You know why that is? Because nobody knows what's going on with their body. Nobody knows, 28:13 Speaker 3: one's looking, nobody's checking. You're going to your insurance doctor, you're getting this much, right? And again, I'm not doubting or I'm not trying to come down on all insurance doctors. I do see some 28:23 Speaker 3: insurance doctors that do go and put the extra effort in and give a 28:28 Speaker 3: decent panel to a patient. 28:29 Speaker 3: So I just think that there's a limit, they're limited because of the insurance model. So, you know, kind of taking a good look at 28:38 Speaker 3: where is your body at and where is it heading? 28:41 Speaker 3: You can really get a good idea on a really good comprehensive blood test. 28:46 Speaker 3: Sometimes that can go in further down. And I think I'm a big gut guy. So, you know, going further down the rabbit hole into stool testing and looking at gut health, because I firmly believe that most illness stems from the gut. But again, you gotta look at the blood. You gotta look at how toxic you are. You gotta look at how much inflammation you're having, how much, how much 29:07 Speaker 3: oxidative stress is at the body, right? Look at a real thyroid panel. It's not just 2 or 3 markers, 29:13 Speaker 3: it's markers. 29:14 Speaker 3: But really look at all the patterns of potential thyroid dysfunction, right? You wanna look at those inflammatory markers. 29:21 Speaker 3: None of them are being ran. I don't see any of them being ran on a standard insurance panel. 29:27 Speaker 1: So, you know- Was lack of knowledge from a doctor, like in your opinion and not to knock on doctors, that's not the point of this question, but is it lack of a doctor's knowledge to ask for that? Because if you're going to be a doctor that runs a blood panel and sees somebody's cholesterol, which you just said, it doesn't really tell you much. There's always other things that you need to know, but they're putting people on statin drugs 29:49 Speaker 1: from a little cheesy 29:51 Speaker 1: blood panel. That's a problem. 29:55 Speaker 3: Well, know, me and CJ, we've done a talk on cholesterol 29:59 Speaker 3: before 30:00 Speaker 3: in the past year, and we kind of discussed how, 30:03 Speaker 3: in my opinion, that cholesterol lowering 30:06 Speaker 3: is probably the 1 of the biggest pharmaceutical scams in my opinion, 30:10 Speaker 3: because we know now how important cholesterol really is for the body. And remember high cholesterol, 30:16 Speaker 3: low cholesterol, in my opinion, 30:18 Speaker 3: for the most part, because, 30:20 Speaker 3: you know, there's so many things that cholesterol in our brains is 20% cholesterol. You know, every, 30:26 Speaker 3: the all, every up to 30,000,000,000,000 cells in our body, they're all dependent. The outer portion of that cell is partially cholesterol, right? Or hormones. What are they made of? They're made of cholesterol, right? Cholesterol is actually actually giving cancer perspective. 30:38 Speaker 3: We know now. So, you know, 30:41 Speaker 3: the question is, you have high cholesterol. 30:44 Speaker 3: Fine, but is it 30:47 Speaker 3: a threat? It can be a threat. You gotta look more at 30:50 Speaker 3: the particles 30:51 Speaker 3: the particle size and the particle number, the oxidation of the LDL. You really see is that cholesterol a threat? Is the homocystin high? Is your ferritin up? Is your ESR? 31:02 Speaker 3: If you're inflamed, you have high cholesterol, that can be a problem, 31:05 Speaker 3: right? So again, you know, going back to do doctors not know. I mean, I'm sure they know we would, 31:11 Speaker 3: you know, med school, med school, you know, 31:14 Speaker 3: we learn this stuff, go back to the basics. I mean, it's not 31:18 Speaker 3: new, we just know that a lot these doctors, you know, if there's not a drug to fix it, there's no need for them to run it. 31:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, 31:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too bad. That's too damn bad. I mean, because you and you Take Hashimoto's. Let's take Hashimoto's. That's the 1 Hashimoto's 31:33 Speaker 3: right now. Huge. Autoimmune thyroid disorder. Right? Mhmm. I'm seeing so much of that right now, you know, and 31:39 Speaker 3: there is no drug for Hashimoto's. 31:41 Speaker 3: So why would they run the 31:44 Speaker 3: autoantibodies 31:45 Speaker 3: to check if a patient has it? 31:47 Speaker 3: Hashimoto's 31:48 Speaker 3: is an immune problem, it's not a thyroid problem. 31:51 Speaker 3: So what do they do? They treat the thyroid. 31:54 Speaker 3: That's why people don't get anywhere 31:56 Speaker 3: who have Hashimoto's with thyroid medications, 31:59 Speaker 3: because you're treating the wrong thing. You're treating the thyroid, not the immune system. 32:04 Speaker 0: And where's the immune system? It's in the gut. 32:06 Speaker 1: In the gut. 32:08 Speaker 1: But again, so you're saying they're treating it wrong. So again, is it lack of knowledge? 32:13 Speaker 1: Help me get to the jugular of that. 32:16 Speaker 1: Why are they doing that? 32:18 Speaker 1: Is it lack of knowledge? Why are they treating that incorrectly 32:22 Speaker 1: if they know? That's what I'm saying. Did they just not know that it is the gut? I guess that's kind of a 32:29 Speaker 1: question that I probably know that you're gonna answer. I mean, you know me and having some gut issues for a very long time. When I went into a GI doctor and told him, I thought I had leaky gut, he looked at me like I was a dinosaur. 32:40 Speaker 1: He's like, Leaky gut? Where did you get that? That doesn't exist. I'm like, Well, I kind of read a lot about it, so I think I got it. 32:48 Speaker 1: Now it's widely 32:49 Speaker 3: known, you know what I mean? But this was a GI- Well, just say, that's funny you say that, JD, guess what they all know now because there's the medication now that just came up for leaky gut. 32:58 Speaker 3: Guess what? Now they know about leaky gut. This has been talked about for a really long time and they just goof with it. It is such 33:04 Speaker 3: exactly, so the point is JD, no, they don't know. 33:08 Speaker 3: They don't know obviously because if they knew they wouldn't have foo fooed you away like that. We know by, there's research done on everything now that how that works, that leaky gut comes about, what causes leaky gut, what actually happens. You're opening up that gut lumen, things that are supposed to go in the toilet are going into your bloodstream. What is that doing? It's called a parasite. Body sees Your it as a 33:27 Speaker 3: immune system responds. Your immune system responds, you're gonna form things that are gonna cause issues, you can start attacking on tissues, you're gonna get autoimmunity, 33:35 Speaker 3: you're gonna get skin issues, 33:37 Speaker 3: you're gonna have joint problems, 33:38 Speaker 3: you're gonna have, your hair is gonna fall out. I mean, there's all kinds of things that would come about because of leaky gut. So, you know, definitely something, I like to test on people is to see the degree of leaky gut, and, that's very important. It's very important to see, to make sure that, you know, establish whether a patient 33:54 Speaker 3: has that or not, and it's kind of a spectrum thing, you know? How do you do that? How do you test for that? How do you test for that in particular? It's a different way to do it, know, stool testing is kind of an indirect way. There's a market called zonulin. Zonulin is approaching that holds the tight junctions of your gut lining together. When you see a lot of zonulin in the stool, you know that the tight junctions are being torn apart because of inflammation 34:19 Speaker 3: in the gut, 34:20 Speaker 3: which could be from a lot of things. It could be from stress, 34:23 Speaker 3: right? Stress, it could be from dysbiosis 34:26 Speaker 3: where you have a lot of different, you know, bad bacteria in the gut, food sensitivities, 34:30 Speaker 3: alcohol, 34:31 Speaker 3: drugs, 34:32 Speaker 3: those all feed into what's called leaky gut. 34:36 Speaker 3: But yeah, the zonulin is 1 way to look at it. There's blood tests you can look at it also. 34:40 Speaker 2: All right, question for you. So let's say I'm a person who wants to take peptides and a lot of these peptides are 34:46 Speaker 2: dealing with, 34:48 Speaker 2: they're helping our mitochondria 34:51 Speaker 2: or cells, right? Cell rejuvenation, 34:53 Speaker 2: clearing out old dead cells to make room for new cells, 34:58 Speaker 2: giving us more power, indoor mitochondria. 35:01 Speaker 2: MOTS-1C 35:02 Speaker 2: is helping, 35:03 Speaker 2: yes, power the mitochondria. SS-thirty 1 is helping the integrity of the cell wall. NAD is helping with regeneration. 35:11 Speaker 2: How? 35:12 Speaker 2: Let's say I wanna go buy peptides, but maybe, I don't know if I do have degrading cells and am I just gonna waste my money buying these peptides if I don't have a deficiency? 35:23 Speaker 2: How would 35:24 Speaker 2: can we test? 35:25 Speaker 2: Is there some markers that can help a person out and says, Hey, yeah, you probably should take some of these things because this is what I'm saying. How 35:32 Speaker 2: does somebody 35:33 Speaker 2: do that if they want to look at that? I think you always 35:38 Speaker 3: wanna optimize, 35:39 Speaker 3: right? So doing 35:41 Speaker 3: peptides 35:42 Speaker 3: is gonna optimize 35:44 Speaker 3: that mitochondrial 35:45 Speaker 3: function, right? That's why we take them to optimize, 35:48 Speaker 3: but you gotta look at the other things also, which would cause mitochondrial 35:52 Speaker 3: dysfunction, right? You got to make sure, do I have anemia? 35:56 Speaker 3: Do I have blood sugar issues? 35:58 Speaker 3: Do I have thyroid issues? Am I dehydrated? 36:01 Speaker 3: Just those big macro things right there are gonna cause mitochondrial 36:05 Speaker 3: dysfunction. 36:05 Speaker 3: Am I absorbing my nutrients? Am I breaking them down well? Do I have absorption problems? Am I getting the foods in my body, the vitamins, the minerals, the antioxidants 36:14 Speaker 3: necessary 36:15 Speaker 3: for mitochondrial 36:17 Speaker 3: function to be able to produce that ATP, which is the bottom line. We want to produce energy. Mitochondria 36:23 Speaker 3: produces energy. 36:24 Speaker 3: Do I have oxidative 36:26 Speaker 3: stress? I keep on going back to that word because it's so important. Oxidative stress destroys 36:31 Speaker 3: that mitochondrial 36:32 Speaker 3: function and ATP production. 36:34 Speaker 3: So yeah, you want to look at blood testing to see 36:38 Speaker 3: what can I do to enhance it on my end, 36:41 Speaker 3: peptides to double enhance that function? So you want to kind of work it on a holistic approach, There we go, holistic again, right? Looking at it all of it and working all angles of that to make sure you have the best mitochondrial function you can. Decreasing inflammation, 36:56 Speaker 3: getting those vitamins, minerals, nutrients, any options you need. Make sure you're hydrated. Make sure you're able to bring water into the cell. That's important. A lot of people, I see dehydration all over their blood since they say, Doctor. Scott, I drink 5 gallons of water a day. I said, yeah, the water is not driving into the cell because you have inflammation. Inflammation will 37:16 Speaker 3: keep that water out, right? Number 2, glucose. How is your blood sugar doing? Are you getting that glucose? 37:22 Speaker 3: Is insulin working well, bringing that glucose into the cell? Because you gotta have glucose for mitochondrial function to make it, right? You gotta have water. Hey, are you anemic? There's a lot of people who have B12 iron deficiency, 37:34 Speaker 3: methylfolate 37:35 Speaker 3: anemias, 37:36 Speaker 3: very common. 37:38 Speaker 3: How is your blood 37:40 Speaker 3: doing so that you're getting red blood cells and getting oxygen into the cell, right? You gotta have oxygen. 37:46 Speaker 3: And lastly, gotta have thyroid hormone, you gotta have a healthy thyroid metabolism. 37:50 Speaker 3: You gotta see what does my 3T3 37:53 Speaker 3: look like. 3T3 is the bottom line of 37:58 Speaker 3: thyroid metabolism. 38:00 Speaker 3: You know, you got so many different markers to look at. You want to see how's the thyroid working? How is thyroid produced? Is the brain working well with the thyroid to communicate well to produce the thyroid hormone? Is the thyroid hormone converting well? Words converts in the gut, the liver, and the kidney so that you're getting a nice fraction of what's called free T3 hormones. 38:19 Speaker 3: So, you know, it's that whole approach and then making sure that we're absorbing our nutrients, we're getting our nutrients 38:26 Speaker 3: so that this process of mitochondrial 38:29 Speaker 3: function can work well. 38:32 Speaker 2: What is your thoughts on A, Methylene Blue? 38:36 Speaker 2: I'll keep these questions limited. So how about that? What's your thoughts on Methylene Blue? Yeah, I'm seeing, I mean, I use it, I'm on it. I've 38:43 Speaker 3: noticed 38:45 Speaker 3: a great response in my thoughts, my clarity, 38:50 Speaker 3: and even some energy on that. And that's kind of what people are taking it for. I mean, been a great brain product. 38:58 Speaker 3: It's being talked about for people with Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, 39:02 Speaker 3: you know, these severe brain issues that so many of us are elderly grandparents are being subjected to today. So I think it's a great product. 39:10 Speaker 2: I don't see anything wrong with it at all. How about just B, how about some B12 injections? 39:17 Speaker 3: So most B12 injections, 39:21 Speaker 3: it's cyanocobalamin. 39:27 Speaker 3: Good B12 injection is the methylated form, the methylcobalamin. 39:32 Speaker 3: The cyanocobalamin, 39:33 Speaker 3: in my opinion, can have a little bit of a toxic effect on it, so I don't use injections. 39:38 Speaker 3: I prefer a sublingual, 39:40 Speaker 3: vitamin B12 that goes under the tongue and absorbs right into the, bloodstream that way. 39:46 Speaker 3: And that's methylcobalamin. 39:47 Speaker 3: Remember we want to methylate. Methylation is methylfolate, 39:51 Speaker 3: methylcobalamin B6, another really good, trimethylglycine, 39:54 Speaker 3: these are all methylators. 39:56 Speaker 3: We need more methylation 39:58 Speaker 3: in society because so many people are lacking in those B vitamins 40:02 Speaker 3: for many reasons. Alcoholism, 40:04 Speaker 3: stress, poor diet, you know, diets depleted, 40:08 Speaker 3: whatever. There's many other issues that can degrade that methylation pathway, is an important detoxification 40:13 Speaker 2: pathway. So what are some, I know we haven't really touched on like, okay, I don't know. Can you talk a little bit about testosterone in men 40:21 Speaker 2: and what blood tests that you're seeing 40:24 Speaker 2: generally for men and how important is that? And then maybe women too? 40:30 Speaker 0: Yep. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade electrolytes, 40:33 Speaker 0: 0 sugar, and vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade Electrolytes. 40:45 Speaker 2: Maybe some of the most important women hormones that can be identified and helped? 40:51 Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah. In regards to testosterone, 40:55 Speaker 3: I swear it's like an epidemic out there. It seems like any 40:59 Speaker 3: man I'm running labs on, you know, 41:02 Speaker 3: 40 and up 41:04 Speaker 3: seems to be in that deficient 41:06 Speaker 3: zone. And it's not just looking at total testosterone, 41:09 Speaker 3: it really doesn't tell you much, 41:11 Speaker 3: you have to look at the free testosterone that really just like, just like 41:16 Speaker 3: T3 free, that's the 1, that's the endgame, that's hormone that hits the receptor and does the job on the cell, just like free testosterone. 41:24 Speaker 3: You wanna make sure you have enough free. There is some guys who have a good amount of total in the freeze to the floor. And why is that? Well, they have too many, binding proteins in the body, which is a whole nother topic about why that would be elevated. 41:36 Speaker 3: But, 41:37 Speaker 3: you know, so yeah, I think free testosterone 41:39 Speaker 3: is really important to look at, not just the total, there's also weekly bound testosterone. Absolutely. That's another way to kind of look at another, you know, level of testosterone. 41:48 Speaker 3: So total free and weekly bound testosterone really to get a really good idea of that. Looking at estrogens also in the body and making sure that if you know you're gonna do TRT, wanna get a baseline of your estrogen, basically estradiol. 42:00 Speaker 3: And then, yeah, 42:02 Speaker 3: I think that testosterone 42:04 Speaker 3: is really only seen as, 42:06 Speaker 3: can I get an erection and 42:09 Speaker 3: am I motivated? 42:10 Speaker 3: I mean, testosterone 42:12 Speaker 3: is great for that, don't get me wrong. And it helps a lot of men, know, who have ED who might start feeling demotivated, 42:18 Speaker 3: especially when you start getting into your 40s. 42:20 Speaker 3: But it's not just about that, it's about brain health, 42:24 Speaker 3: it's about heart health, bone health, gut health. I mean, testosterone receptors on many, all these different organs, and it's very important to think of it at that aspect. 42:33 Speaker 3: So there's guys who I just talked to a guy today, he's all, 42:36 Speaker 3: you know, he's like, yeah, this is my level. I was at 3 something and my free is 9. I said, but 42:43 Speaker 3: guess what, 42:44 Speaker 3: still got energy and I'm 42:47 Speaker 3: still doing fairly well with intimacy with my wife. I said, that's wonderful. Said, but you got to think about these other things. You got to think about your brain, your gut, your heart, your bones. You know, it's not just about that. So I think that, again, educating people more about what testosterone really does in the body. 43:03 Speaker 3: As far as women go, 43:05 Speaker 3: you know, when you wanna run hormone count, I mean, that's 43:08 Speaker 3: a big discussion, right? 43:10 Speaker 3: Perimenopause, 43:11 Speaker 3: you know, premenopause, 43:12 Speaker 3: post menopause, right? 43:14 Speaker 3: Makes a big difference on what you're gonna look at in a woman. I think with a woman, 43:19 Speaker 3: my important thing on a woman is making sure adrenal function is healthy. Adrenal glands will take over when a woman goes into menopause, 43:27 Speaker 3: right? Those adrenal glands, you know, those ovaries shut down, they no longer produce estrogen. Guess what takes over? The adrenal glands take over. Those are your stress glands. 43:36 Speaker 3: There is so much stress in this world right now. It's not just emotional stress, it's dietary stress, it's chemical stress, it's emotional stress that attacks those adrenal glands. When a woman's going into menopause, 43:48 Speaker 3: guess what happens? If she has adrenal fatigue, she's gonna have a really hard time going through menopause because that's the those are the women who are going to have all the side effects from menopause. They're gonna be going to these doctors and getting put on all these hormones, which some of them I think are definitely necessary 44:04 Speaker 3: initially to get through, you know, that process. 44:07 Speaker 3: But, you know, even even a woman, I'm seeing some really great results with TRT with women. 44:13 Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing results on blood work, 44:18 Speaker 3: energy. 44:19 Speaker 3: It's just these and drive, you know, some women lose drive 44:22 Speaker 3: and I'm seeing that the TRT if it's done correctly, 44:26 Speaker 3: not not overdoing it because a woman does not want virilizing effects. So they'll start noticing some some changes that, 44:34 Speaker 3: you know, might not be too comfortable, but there is there is a balance and it's just about finding that balance. 44:39 Speaker 3: And then as far as women goes, of course, running progesterone, 44:42 Speaker 3: you know, running estrogen levels and testosterone, 44:46 Speaker 3: DHEA, the anti aging cortisol 44:48 Speaker 3: levels. You want to look at all these kind of things on these panels to kind of see where they're at hormonally. 44:53 Speaker 3: But again, 44:55 Speaker 3: when hormones are off, it's not the hormones that 44:58 Speaker 3: are really the problem, 45:00 Speaker 3: there's something underlying that caused the hormones to be off. 45:04 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? So looking 45:07 Speaker 3: more at 45:09 Speaker 3: the thyroid, 45:10 Speaker 3: looking more at 45:11 Speaker 3: red blood cell production, at gut health, at detoxification 45:15 Speaker 3: health, 45:16 Speaker 3: those are the things that cause the hormonal problems. 45:20 Speaker 2: What I'm Always look and always peel back the onion right? Look down You the 45:24 Speaker 3: could always say well that's because your hormones are off that's why you're feeling well why are my hormones off? A lot of women come to me hey I want to throw up can you run my hormones because I'm feeling this this and that. Said well 1st let me look a little bit deeper than that. Let's look to see if there's something causing the hormones to possibly be causing you to possibly have these hormonal symptoms that you're experiencing. 45:44 Speaker 1: What's missing. That's awesome, man. That's missing today. That's what's missing. Those types of questions, like that's what's missing from a lot of doctors that I think are getting people in 45:53 Speaker 1: trouble that they just want to prescribe something instead of 45:56 Speaker 1: asking what you just asked. Mean, as simple as, how was your sleep? 46:00 Speaker 1: How was your sleep? Did you go through something hard recently? Whatever. 46:04 Speaker 1: All these things affect people, 46:06 Speaker 1: humans, 46:07 Speaker 1: all of it. And I just, the frustrating thing for me is doctors don't ask those questions. I mean, you and I were sitting down the other day and we were putting pieces 46:17 Speaker 1: of me together, looking at this, compounding on this, all that stuff, right? And you said, Well, how are you sleeping? And that was 1 of the most important questions. 46:26 Speaker 1: Know that, but I 46:28 Speaker 1: would actually say that to other people, but I hadn't thought through it where my sleep sucked lately. 46:33 Speaker 1: And 46:34 Speaker 1: then I told you that the next weekend, my wife and I went away and I had a lot of sleep for 2 days. I felt like a new human the next 2 days. 46:42 Speaker 1: Felt Remember I was telling you how tired I was? I just got really good sleep. 46:45 Speaker 1: Those things are all 46:47 Speaker 1: the above, all of the questions that need to be asked by doctors. So if you're listening to this, 46:53 Speaker 1: people, choosing 46:56 Speaker 1: the right doctor is so freaking important. 47:00 Speaker 1: Obviously a doctor that's gonna do what Doctor. Scott is doing, which is he's going to dig into 47:06 Speaker 1: the problem. It's not the surface, putting a band aid on the problem like most do. There's all these problems that yield that problem and you've got to get to the bottom of the problem, 47:17 Speaker 1: the real problem, to fix the problem. There's not that many doctors that I see doing that. 47:21 Speaker 1: Doctor. Scott, you're 1 of my best friends. I love you. But I don't say this for that reason. I know that you 47:28 Speaker 1: do that. It's like, that's why we had you on the show. You dig into that stuff and it's, man, we need more of you out there, dude. 47:36 Speaker 3: We need more of you guys too out there, so I hope that this replicates. 47:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, I think it will. So I know that we just scratched the surface of, know, you could talk for hours and 47:48 Speaker 2: go into more depth. Like, dude, I would like to have you on the Q and 47:53 Speaker 2: a Q and A show. 47:55 Speaker 2: You know, we'd probably get too many questions that we couldn't possibly answer them, and you'd have too many answers. But we will so we'll have you back for sure. Great. I love to be back. I appreciate you guys having me. And how do people 48:08 Speaker 2: get ahold of you? 48:11 Speaker 2: I guess, how do I Yeah. Mean, may not be the best way. I guess, yeah, I mean, can I ask you 1 last question? 1 last question. I'm sorry. Yeah. If I'm looking to get my HGH or testosterone tested, 48:23 Speaker 2: how fat to get an accurate test, what's the timing look like? Should I like how much before that test should I do my testosterone injection? How much before that should I do my last HGH injection? 48:33 Speaker 2: Then tell us how we reach you. 48:35 Speaker 3: Okay, so 48:37 Speaker 3: that 48:38 Speaker 3: can be a little challenging sometimes because 48:40 Speaker 3: a lot of guys, 48:42 Speaker 3: you know, are doing like 2 injections. The easiest way to do this is when someone does testosterone 48:48 Speaker 3: once a week, let's say they inject on a Monday, right, or let's just say they they say they inject on a let me take take that back. Let's say they inject on Fridays, right, well, I have them go in like on a Wednesday. 48:59 Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. But if they're doing if they're if they're injecting on Monday and Thursday, 49:05 Speaker 3: right, just say Monday and Thursday, well, 49:07 Speaker 3: then I would have them go on 49:09 Speaker 3: Wednesday also. 49:11 Speaker 3: So you what what happens is you'll see a huge spike, you know, closer to the time of. 49:17 Speaker 3: So it's it's it's really, you know, when you're trying to watch CRT level, 49:22 Speaker 3: a hard answer because it depends on how the patient's gonna do that. 49:26 Speaker 3: I personally 49:27 Speaker 3: have tried both ways doing once a week and then doing Mondays and Thursdays. 49:33 Speaker 3: Personally, I feel absolutely no difference Mhmm. When doing that. I think what I 49:38 Speaker 0: I don't. Well, no, you don't. I 49:41 Speaker 3: think what you might notice though is this, if you did everything at once, 49:47 Speaker 3: you might have more aromatization where you're estrogen- That's why I do it separately. 49:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, 49:53 Speaker 3: you spike up, you might have that more of that estrogenic 49:57 Speaker 3: effect. So splitting up does make more sense to me physiologically 50:01 Speaker 3: than maybe do Monday. I'm doing Monday and Thursday, that's what I do right now. I guarantee, 50:07 Speaker 3: personally I don't feel different. I don't feel like twice 50:10 Speaker 3: a week or once a week, know, with anything because the levels, know, the 0.5 life of that is keeping it up anyways, know, what 50:16 Speaker 3: you're doing shipping it or enanthate. 50:18 Speaker 3: So anyways, yeah, I mean that said, 50:21 Speaker 3: that's 50:22 Speaker 3: how I tell my guys to measure, you know, far as if they're doing once a week or twice a week, that's the only way you can do it. 50:31 Speaker 2: You have a preference, 50:36 Speaker 1: and everybody's a science project, we talk about it all the time on here, 50:40 Speaker 1: Do you have a specific level that you would like men to be to be fully optimized? 50:45 Speaker 1: Maybe it'd be like 45 50:48 Speaker 1: free and 900 50:50 Speaker 1: full test. I mean, is there a number that you think 50:54 Speaker 1: is probably the best to stay within, like a little bracket in your opinion? 51:00 Speaker 0: Yeah, 51:02 Speaker 0: it there's How do you feel? Yeah, 51:04 Speaker 3: it's kinda I mean, if you wanted to get if I wanted to throw out a bracket, yes, 700 to 900, you know, 1000 51:10 Speaker 3: seems to be, it's different with everybody. It's kind of subjective on that end too, it's like where is your sweet spot, you know what I mean? So again, 51:18 Speaker 3: I just, as long as they're running blood, 51:21 Speaker 3: know, and looking at other things down the line, not just, you know, testosterone level, but making sure that what their dose is is not affecting, 51:29 Speaker 3: I'm not seeing any negative 51:32 Speaker 3: blood markers come up, 51:35 Speaker 3: Where wherever wherever they feel good. I mean, I know what I am noticing though 51:40 Speaker 3: is a lot of guys come to me. They've been on TRT for, you know, 2 34 years and they're doing the say they're they're shooting 202 50 mg a week. It's it's not good. It's too much. I'm 51:51 Speaker 3: seeing that, I'm seeing a lot of mess, I'm seeing a lot of inflammation, I'm seeing a lot of oxidative stress, I'm seeing things that aren't 51:56 Speaker 3: very pleasing to me, you know. And again, lot of them aren't methylating, they're not taking fish oil, you know, there's other things that they're not doing, you know, tootka and liver, you you gotta supplement 52:06 Speaker 3: when you're gonna do that. Especially if you're gonna keep your levels high like that. I always say, you know, maybe you wanna bring it down and then you can kind of cycle up and down, and that's 52:14 Speaker 3: kind of another option. You 52:16 Speaker 3: need to bring it down or maybe 125 52:18 Speaker 3: or 150 mg a week for whatever, you know, for a few months and you want to bump it up a bit and go up. Mean, 52:25 Speaker 3: just got to be responsible. You got to be responsible for the health. I mean, we're all stewards of our bodies and our health. We've to make sure you're speaking. 52:32 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, looking at if you want to look at total, 52:35 Speaker 3: you know, I think a 7 to 9 seems to be a pretty good fit for most men. 52:40 Speaker 3: On a TRT level, that's not a bodybuilding. That's a TRT level. Right. Bodybuilding, yeah. Your bodybuilding 52:46 Speaker 3: gotta go up. Right? I mean, 52:49 Speaker 3: that's not my expertise right there. I'm not I don't push guys into that. I push guys into health where I can see them healthy. Right? Yeah. A free a free testosterone, 52:58 Speaker 3: you know, 25 to 50, you know, in there. That's that seems to be a pretty sweet spot. 53:03 Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool. 53:05 Speaker 3: Then getting back to you, Will, on your question about HGH, I didn't forget about that. So you check the IGF-one level to measure that and 53:13 Speaker 3: guys are doing HGH every day, you know, it's a daily injection, so go get your blood and then do your injection now. 53:21 Speaker 2: Okay. 53:22 Speaker 3: Know what I'm You inject and then go to the blood, go get your blood. Yep. 53:26 Speaker 3: Yeah. But you are Anything expecting synthetic is gonna spike right away in the blood, right? Anything you put in your body, boom, you're gonna go get tested. So, you know. 53:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, so just do your regular 1 the night before, the morning before or whatever, however you do it, but don't 53:41 Speaker 2: take like a week long break and then try to get your blood tested and then come back and say, Oh, 53:46 Speaker 2: my IGF is low, this growth might not be good. 53:50 Speaker 0: Yeah, we've heard that. Yeah, yeah. You're 53:55 Speaker 3: on it every day, it's a daily So 53:58 Speaker 3: let me give you an example. If you're doing testosterone, there's people who even do testosterone every day. You know that? They might go dose testosterone. 54:04 Speaker 2: So you're 54:06 Speaker 3: gonna do just pick a day, go get your blood done, you're gonna really see a 54:10 Speaker 3: good level of where you're at. 54:12 Speaker 3: You're breaking up testosterone 7 days a week, I wouldn't want to jab myself. 54:16 Speaker 2: I know, that's the only problem. I mean, I do, I believe in philosophy like, look, yeah, predict all hormones, everything is predicated on something else, right? 1 hormone change, little bit, everything else changes. The name of the game is just keep things level and- Yeah, keep it level balanced. So 54:31 Speaker 2: I guess that would indicate, hey, if you could do it every day, same time of day, same amount, that's great, but then that means you gotta stick yourself 7 days. Not realistic. Sucks, it's not realistic. Okay, 54:42 Speaker 0: cool. 54:44 Speaker 1: Man, 54:44 Speaker 1: Scott, Doctor. Scott, we love you, man. I mean, we could talk, we all could talk forever. So yeah, we'd love to have you back on as we will, man. But yeah, I know, I'm assuming there's gonna be some people that wanna talk to you as they should. 54:57 Speaker 1: I refer a lot of people to you, through my DMs of people looking for blood work and whatnot, because he really does care, he really does dig deep into it, and he's 1 of the rarer breeds that I know, and it's not because he's my friend, it's because he tries to help people, man. 55:12 Speaker 1: So if you are looking for some blood work or something like that, 55:16 Speaker 1: how would they find you? 55:18 Speaker 3: I think probably just my website. You know, you can contact 55:21 Speaker 3: me through my website. It's 55:24 Speaker 3: heydoctorscott.com. 55:25 Speaker 3: Pretty easy. Heydrscott.com. 55:28 Speaker 3: Hey doctorscott.com. 55:31 Speaker 3: Probably be the best way to get home. You could see what I do, everything I do. So 55:35 Speaker 1: We'll link it. We'll put it in there. So we'll we'll make it easy to find you, but I love it, man. I enjoyed that, guys. I enjoyed that a lot, man. I could talk about this stuff forever. Anything before we leave, Will? What do you think? I think everybody should do that, by the way. 55:49 Speaker 2: Yes. Each lever 55:51 Speaker 0: Yeah. 55:53 Speaker 2: It seems to me if you care about your health, right? If you have kids or if you 55:58 Speaker 2: wanna take any supplements or you, I mean, just it's a little bit of money that we're gonna teach you a ton 56:04 Speaker 2: and 56:05 Speaker 2: make your life a whole lot better, right? Can I say 1 more thing about that Will? Of You in that. 56:11 Speaker 3: You 56:12 Speaker 3: just kind of mentioned you know about supplements. So a lot of people have no idea what they need supplement wise. There's thousands 56:19 Speaker 3: of supplements on the market and people are just buying stuff because they heard it's good. They don't know how much to take, they don't know what to know, what brand to take, they don't know if what they're taking, it's good if it's real. I think that's important to really know what does your body need by looking at blood work, allows me to know exactly what you need, how much you need, how long you need to take it. And I mean, 56:40 Speaker 3: a lot people just waste so much money, why not focus 56:42 Speaker 3: in on supplementation that you really, really need. I'm not a huge supplement guy, I'm more a diet guy eating the right way, but everybody can use some supplemental health. I'm not gonna put you on 20 supplements, 56:53 Speaker 3: 10. Try to find the best pack for a patient that really can optimize their health along with obviously eating right, which a lot of people need to learn how to eat right. 57:03 Speaker 2: Hip right, be right. Huge man. Well, right on, cool. Yep, thank you. Well, cool man. Well, I enjoyed that and, 57:11 Speaker 1: yeah, we'll make it easy to find Doctor. Scott and, other than that, we will catch you on the flip side. Take care. What do got? 57:20 Speaker 0: Oh, yeah.