Ep 74 · 34:03
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0:57Speaker 1Often think about, dude, is it worth what we pay to live here? And sometimes I say no, but like,
1:04Speaker 1like people like in Montana right now are freezing their ass off and like we could literally
1:25Speaker 2and there's no price difference. When I came here, it so expensive here. Was like, what do you mean? I mean, so there's and where's
1:34Speaker 2techie up there though. Exactly. It's like, you make money. It's burgeoning. It's yeah. Cost living. It's the new I guess maybe it's kind of a cool place to be, but yeah, it's expensive.
1:44Speaker 2So hell yes. I think it's worth what we pay here. Well, it's pretty much like that everywhere.
1:57Speaker 1and, so they live on a very small budget and sometimes I'm just like, man, how they even do it? 5 kids? Yeah. Small budget. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. That's tough. Life is expensive. Expensive.
2:15Speaker 1They say money doesn't buy happiness. Money doesn't buy happiness. Thought about that actually often. And it's like, it doesn't buy happiness, but in a sense it kind of does because when I'm stressed, I'm not happy. So if I have money, I'm not as stressed because if you have money, you're not stressed about money, which most people stress out. So kind of buys happiness kind of sense. You know, that's such a big thing that people say It about life. It kind of does. No, no, no. Right.
2:46Speaker 2a drug addict, then give me 1000000 dollars. It's not going to fix the situation. It's not, I'm not going to all of sudden be a different person. But
3:05Speaker 2he made 1 this morning, a little supervised, but I'm waiting till I come home and there's like smoothie juice in the ceiling and everywhere. So he's met he's met my wife. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, let's not have him. Let's don't have her teach. I'm just joking. Babe, I'm just joking. I'm just playing.
3:45Speaker 1we see the warehouse and whatnot, but it's connected to your house outside. So I see you guys doing that constantly.
3:52Speaker 1And I don't, I don't like ease off on you, but like at the same time, it just pops up and then I'm all those, there's Will River playing
4:03Speaker 2yeah, go naked to the hot tub. Will see. So did I tell you this? My mom, I know you would, I'm not,
4:19Speaker 2unsupervised at the house and she like loves to have a hot tub. She had a hot tub in her house.
4:23Speaker 2And so she leaves and now he's like, Hey, have you looked at the cameras up back? And I like, No. Was like, No,
4:40Speaker 2it. And I have not told her that. It's liberation. Because there's no need to tell her unless
4:45Speaker 1she's listening to this podcast, which I- It's still lucky that it's rad, dude. But yeah, liberation. She doesn't give a shit. Just do you. She doesn't give a I love that support, Do you. Well, it's funny because I know that, you know, Will was telling me the other day that he's forgetting everything,
5:03Speaker 1into what we're talking about. I'm honestly joking, but we're gonna talk about some, a couple peptides that really
5:31Speaker 2They are pretty damn similar. And I guess the thing is everybody listening, like we're not, these are not
5:36Speaker 2like prescription pharmaceuticals with a whole bunch of like human trials. In fact, very little human trials and very, and they have not, they're brand new. They haven't been around a long time. So everything that we say is like- Not studied at is not studied, is based on the small bit of research and like anecdotal evidence. Maybe, you know, there's like, I read some like human compassion trials from like late stage Alzheimer's,
6:01Speaker 2there's not, there's no risk really to do a study and they had to say, yeah, volunteer for it. Right? And so there's some, some, some feedback from like patients of those types of studies, but there's no like big
6:39Speaker 1the kind of promising, you know, benefits and risks. They sound great. I mean, they do. I mean, with where we're at in the world and
7:05Speaker 1blah, blah, blah. Your body starts to shut down. Your brain starts to shut down. I'm assuming if you're my age, you start to feel that because I'm not as quick witted as I was. I don't remember things like I used to.
7:25Speaker 1didn't know any of us towards the end. It was really, really, really sad to see him because he was a badass. He was a B-fifty 2 bomber,
7:40Speaker 1somebody without stature, that's, you know, such a powerful guy turned into just not even know who his wife is. It sucked. So if we have, if there's some stuff out there as science progresses, and especially if there chains of amino acids, I'll read that instead of pharmaceutical crap,
7:55Speaker 1Gosh. If they're you know? So, yeah, let's dig into it. Let's just yeah. You wanna start with, in Atlanta or? Okay. Let's do it. So, folks, I will stand up and
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9:04Speaker 2the big thing, like he said, and you're not wrong. You're not wrong, JD, that I am getting a bit older also and forgetting things sometimes. So
9:12Speaker 2like as we get old, right, our brain starts to just not work as well. A lot of people have, like,
10:24Speaker 2And frankly, researchers don't even understand everything. So we're gonna go kind of basic here.
10:30Speaker 2It can cross the blood brain barrier, although it is best used via, well, it's best used subQ, which is how it crosses that blood brain barrier best. Okay.
10:56Speaker 2parts here, ideal candidates. Okay. And again, I'm not telling anybody to do this. Like this
11:02Speaker 2is theoretically who it is best, who should be using this. Okay. So we have ideal candidates versus don't bother.
11:21Speaker 2but you have high cognitive stress needs, right? You're an older executive. You are really needing to use your brain and, but you're getting older and it's not working as you want it to. Post
11:38Speaker 2trauma. You see a military helmet, a football helmet, boxing gloves for a reason. Those are some of the kind of polarizing ace sports activities that
11:46Speaker 2have made it in the news today with with with TBIs and real brain issue. And then anybody vascular
12:00Speaker 2diagnose that. So that is basically who we're who should take this. Don't even bother. It's not gonna do much, right, if you are 20 to 35 and your brain's working really brain's working normally. Okay?
12:16Speaker 2Panalon is not gonna just it's not a big spike. It's not a pre workout for your brain. Okay? If you want that modafinil,
12:35Speaker 2And then if you're looking for a solution for anxiety or depression, so Pinealon is just there to protect your brain and help with just cognitive support, not to make you feel happier,
12:45Speaker 2not to give you less anxiety, none of that stuff. So it's a long term play and it's sure it's not like you're gonna take a pill and you're gonna feel it. Okay?
13:08Speaker 2taking it and will continue to take it. But at this rate, so this is somebody who's over 40,
13:22Speaker 2twice a year. So every 6 months. Alright? More is not better with Pinealon, right? It's not gonna be helpful. You build a tolerance
13:30Speaker 2and then it just doesn't do you any good. So that's for just maintenance protection if you're over 40, and yes, I am starting to forget sometimes.
13:46Speaker 2And not even extreme, but just so if you're, you know, if you are 50, then Why are we here? Cognitive defund.
13:54Speaker 2and then repeat every 4 months. Number 3, this is post injury, right? If you have a traumatic brain injury, if you have some,
14:03Speaker 2illness that really affected your brain or you're extremely burnt out, this is just kind of a recovery. Yeah. 10 mgs a day, 10 to 20 days, and then stop,
14:17Speaker 1brings us to the Dihexa. So we'll stop the other 1. So let's go back to that last screen. Cause I think that the, the, to go through the
14:29Speaker 1yeah, that's good. So we, what we've thought about guys that are listening here that is you can't overdo it. There's a lot of peptides that we would say that you could do for longer periods.
14:43Speaker 1you want to follow this protocol to a degree. We don't know everything, but we do do a lot of research. So as Will is saying, so let's go through this 1 more time real quickly. So we've got, if you're about 40 plus, you're going to take 10 mg a day for 10 days in a row,
15:04Speaker 150 years old, give or take, right. You're going to take again, 10 mgs a day for 20 days, a little bit longer and then repeat every 4 months. Now, if you're somebody
15:25Speaker 1things like that. Then the recommendation is going to be 10 Migs a day for 10 to 20 days.
15:33Speaker 1So I wanted to go through that a little bit again, just simply because again, we talk about a lot of the peptides that you can do, some in perpetuity, like a Wolverine and things like that, but this would be something that's not like that,
15:58Speaker 2Other than, hey, doing more than this isn't really going to help, but it is there to regulate. It's not like a stimulant. It's not going to take you past like anything past physiological
16:08Speaker 2levels. Okay? It's going to really just try to regulate your brain, right? To bring it back to healthy. Yeah.
16:19Speaker 2those I mentioned at the beginning. Life. Life. Right? It'll try to bring you back up to normal, but it isn't going bring you really past normal.
16:30Speaker 1you're kicking ass, right? Normal's your age is 40 and your brain's working like 40 year old and you're 80. 0 Well, don't know anybody that, I mean, guys our age, we generally run with guys our age, right? As you probably do as well. And I don't know anybody that's just
16:44Speaker 1not starting to have brain fog and some of it's self inflicted, some of it's life inflicted, it doesn't matter, I know you didn't go through some of other things. So 1 of the things that we were had kind of dug into in regards to some of the somethings that would be well to stack with it are going to be the NAD, which is great because it's going be in the mitochondrial
17:07Speaker 12 of our favorites. They go so well and so do Vanilla and Dihexa. We were just talking about that before we recorded.
17:26Speaker 1it's good. 1 of the best for inflammation and just bringing down inflammation in the body. And then Epitalon, which, you know, is an anti ager. Epitalon is a good friend of ours, Paul Baxter. He starts everybody on every cycle with Epitalon.
17:44Speaker 2cleanse type thing. And yes, Epitalon anti aging signaling where it's brought, it says broader, right? That is more of a systemic anti aging whereas Pinealon is
18:07Speaker 1Will and I were talking about this the other day and you know, we used to talk about all the time where we're always trying to enhance
18:28Speaker 1breakdown of how we feel, blah, blah, blah. And these would be 2 that would be great because I know that, I have never done it. I just, we just started, I just started the HEXA for the 1st time ever, and I've been wanting to do that for a while. They'll be good. They'll be good, but
19:00Speaker 2It I'd seen it in 10 or 20 mg. So guys, that's actually pretty easy math. If your goal is to do 10 mg a day, right? Again, when mixing, when mixing a peptide, right, the amount of water you put in
19:16Speaker 2as far as the effectiveness. There's no rhyme or reason. The only rhyme or reason why you put a certain amount of water in is so the math
19:27Speaker 2You basically always, mean, my guess is I would always want to put the least amount of water in. Now you do need to put enough water in so the powder actually dissolves. You got more powder and you put a tiny little bit of water in, going to kind of turn to gel, right? So you gotta put enough water in so the water, so the powder mixes to clear actual liquid.
19:44Speaker 2After that, right, it's just, it's really on you and just whatever the math is easiest. So a 10 mg bottle, and if we want to do 10 mg a day, right,
19:54Speaker 2that would be an entire bottle. Like if you can, my suggestion would be like, Hey, if I can put 0.5 a mil in there,
20:05Speaker 2There'd be no reason to put 3 mils in. You now have to inject 300 units. You know what I'm saying?
20:15Speaker 2Pinealon. So you're looking at 0.5 a bottle a day. I put in maybe 1 unit, you know, if you can still even get away with 50 units of water and then just do 25 in 1 day, 25 the next day. It's 10 to 10. I don't know. That makes sense. Anyway. Good stuff.
20:52Speaker 2most likely, we're gonna start with crosses the blood brain barrier because it's also a small amino acid chain
21:00Speaker 2it is okay in a pill, right? Because it is so small, it will pass through the blood brain barrier even in a pill form. That's awesome. It's being experimented to
21:53Speaker 2You are it's interesting like a TBI, they say that most damage doesn't really come from that initial impact. It comes from the post effect. So the initial impact, yes, damages,
22:30Speaker 2is going to strengthen those connections and regrow those connections because there was a big like growth signaling portion to Dihexa.
22:43Speaker 2Alzheimer's has this plaque, it slows it down, but also it's affecting those connections.
23:51Speaker 2not 1st anxiety, depression. Now here's the big, here's the kicker on Diaxa. So this is the worry. There is more upside in the research for Diaxa, but there is potentially more downside.
24:09Speaker 2oncologists know that if that is activated and there is active cancer, that is 1 of the things that's going to help
24:20Speaker 2there is like heavy growth signaling present in dihexa. It is creating brand new tissue
24:39Speaker 2But if there is cancer present, it can grow it. So that is a concern. Also another concern, right? If you're like pushing heavy growth hormone IGF-one,
24:51Speaker 2and to your brain. Yep. So frankly, like the best, the best research just faces that may not be wise. We don't, they're not really sure
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25:39Speaker 1Think through it. Like, be it's not saying he's not saying that it it causes cancer. That's just logic says is what they're saying that that could lead to it in long periods of taking it. And then we'll, we'll leave this up here when we talk about dosing. You guys, so the
26:02Speaker 2just like Pinealon is helping repair the actual neurons. This needs to repair the connections.
26:07Speaker 2So they go hand in hand, but so post injury is you're looking at like cycled and reassessed. 5 Migs to 10 mg a day,
26:19Speaker 2And then if you're going to do that again, right? At least take 1 to 2 months of break.
26:27Speaker 2That's looking for a pulse dosing. This is interesting. They actually want you to do kind of 5 to 10 mgs, 2 to 4 weeks, then 2 to 4 weeks off.
26:35Speaker 2Then, then do it again on. So basically pulse, like you're gonna hit the gas, then break gas,
26:45Speaker 2type cognitive dose. So that is something I just started taking that also. Would you? And doing that,
27:17Speaker 2you'll have those diminishing returns of just higher side effect potential because all the growth signaling and just not much actual what you want.
27:33Speaker 2you're okay, if you're not having cancer present. Okay. NAD mitochondrial and cellular repair, MOTS-0s, MOTS-331Metabolic
27:50Speaker 2Cmax is a, you know, neurotransmitter modulator that's gonna kind of bring you up a bit. So when
28:18Speaker 2I don't know if there's anything else I want to touch on on the cancer thing, but this again, folks like early stage
28:36Speaker 1going to say this again because I say it often, but I really think that it puts in perspective well,
28:43Speaker 1chips, Doritos, cookies, I think you should worry about those more. I mean, those are we know they cause cancer. I mean, those are just proven to cause cancer. They're horrible for you. Seed oil, sugars,
28:52Speaker 1horrible for you. I would worry. I personally will talk to speak for myself, would worry about those a lot more than this. We're just shining a light on some of the things that we've read, we've researched. But I would say that if you do have active cancer and you know it, you shouldn't take this. Makes sense. And I hope you don't eat cookies either. Yeah. We shouldn't do anything else. Don't
29:12Speaker 1be here because of sugar. Sugar, please. And do some fasting. So in summary, right to all of these guys, to,
29:19Speaker 2if Dihexa is like building new wiring, right? That's what it's for. It's just building the wiring for nail on is more like protecting and maintaining the wiring you already have.
29:34Speaker 1There you go. Yeah, that's right. I like, that's why we were kind of comparing it to the SS-thirty 1 in the MOTS-seventy because MOTS-3s it up and SS-31is
29:46Speaker 2The practical use is like, look, our friend Paul, like before, so either Dihexa also is not looking, it's not something theoretically you should be able to take a pill and go, feel it. Wow, I feel it. But
30:05Speaker 2man, everything is just different in every person. Right? He takes 1 of those before he steps on stage. And it's like, we have a video of him being like, yes, full disclosure. I just took (1hexa): 10 mg of Dihexa before I walked up Wanted to take it ever since. Yeah. So,
30:20Speaker 1well, he's a if people know anybody that's been following the podcast for, you know, for quite some time will remember when I went through the back surgery and Paul, good friend of ours, is who had given me the protocol for my back with a large doses of the Wolverine blend.
30:35Speaker 1And without a doubt, dude knows what he's talking about, man. So we'll listen to him. I mean, my
30:40Speaker 1memory sucks, man. I mean, without a doubt, you know, I think both of us will speak for me, have just wounded my head and my noggin by
30:53Speaker 1not treating my brain well. So as I get older, man, I forget things. Like I used to not have to put things on calendar now. Like I don't put things on calendar, man, I'm forgetting everything. So both of these will do well with memory and things like that and enhancing memory.
31:08Speaker 1Why would you not? Yeah. I mean, geez, like we're, you know, I'm 48 years old. Any, any, any step ahead that I can get
31:14Speaker 1that it's just literally chains of amino acids. Why would you not? Again, I'm not a big fan of
31:20Speaker 1pharmaceutical stuff and doctors prescribing these types of things. These are chains of amino acids. If you can get a leg up with this stuff, why would you not? Or would you not? Yeah. It's true. Not even be that expensive because the amount that you have to take so infrequently.
31:34Speaker 1it's worth it. Yeah, it's funny. We were talking about this before we were recording and,
31:39Speaker 1even though it's not a peptide, but you know, we do TRT and we just do anything that like is intriguing. And I think that what people are like, we should do a Modafinil. That would be a good episode on that.
31:52Speaker 11 of my favorites. But yeah, that's great, man. I enjoyed it. I think I just started doing the HEXA. I have not done the Pinealon.
32:00Speaker 1I'm always a fat burner type guy, but I've been wanting to Like I said, we've been talking about different things and trying different ones and kind of reporting back and just, you know, so let's do it, man. I'm excited. To kind of do that. So there it is. Good stuff, man. And so
32:17Speaker 1what do we have next? What's today? Friday. So we have a couple of things next week. So I
32:21Speaker 1think we'll probably have to bust out the Q and A on Monday, which will drop, I think on Thursday, but we have
32:33Speaker 1does mine. I want my wife's Botox and a lot of our facials and all the stuff that has worked so well for me. You've seen me post on that, but she's coming in for you ladies. We've had 2 doctors talking about TRT and we get so many of you reaching out about
32:48Speaker 1testosterone for the ladies. So she does pellets and she's gonna come in and talk about the TRT for you gals
32:58Speaker 1she travels the world and educates herself. She's always in Africa or here and there, and like just always like
33:05Speaker 1in cutting edge type stuff. So I think it's going to be rad to have her on and just talking about some of the stuff that you ladies like to talk about and stuff like that. So it's gonna be cool to see where the conversation goes. Sure. So she's coming in on Tuesday and that will drop on
33:19Speaker 2Thursday. Yep. That'll be, it'll, it will be enlightening and interesting because as we know, like women-
33:33Speaker 1doctors we've had on are obviously leaning more, you know, they're men and they have practices based upon men. I mean, they both have worked a little bit with women, but she works with women. I mean, that's the majority of what she works with. So
33:51Speaker 2And all of the fitness stuff just works like, cause we're just meant to be, we're meant to put on muscle and be big and fast and strong and chase down animals and kill them with their bare hands. Right? Like that's just, that's our DNA.
34:06Speaker 1So for women, always say like, feed them, give them sex, tell them they're doing a good job and you have a good, you have a happy man. We're
34:13Speaker 1very simple individuals. Then you ladies are like, my wife will send me 19 text messages and I'll answer the 1st question. I'll be like, why don't you chance that I have a question? Well,
34:41Speaker 1because we love it. We love fitness. It's the genesis of where we both started in this whole thing was fitness,
34:51Speaker 1fasting stuff that I'll put in there because I love that stuff. And we're thinking about a coaching Warrior Makers coaching program. And
34:57Speaker 1also the circle that we will be pulling people off of social media on our own circle to where we'll have some direct
35:05Speaker 1Zooms and some things like that for the people that want to, you know, kind of jump on that too. So cool things coming. If that is of interest to you guys,
35:13Speaker 1drop us some DMs on any of our channels, we will read them all. We want to hear if you guys would be stoked on that