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0:53Speaker 2Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham across the way like always, My good friend, my business partner, my buddy, mister.
1:02Speaker 2Right here in the corner. Not right across from you, though. Yeah. That's you. To to my left. Yeah. We we have, we also have a a a guest on the show, which is a good friend of mine.
1:13Speaker 2Big part of
1:15Speaker 2this company, how it became this because he was a big vital part of my life and big financial guy. But we're gonna talk about some peptides too because he loves peptides and he's
1:25Speaker 2not wasn't as always as fit as he looks as you see him, viewer.
1:30Speaker 2Joe Brown, who is a financial, I'd like to say guru, man. You just know your stuff. It's amazing. 1 of the most intelligent guys I know, but for the the people listening right now, Joe, tell us who you are in your own words.
1:44Speaker 5Yeah.
1:46Speaker 5Father, husband,
1:47Speaker 5and, financial teacher.
1:49Speaker 5Yeah. So, I like to explain how money works so that people can get to financial freedom faster. And 1 of my, 1 of my big hobbies ever since 2021,
2:00Speaker 5when I 1st, decided to
2:03Speaker 5get my, fitness in,
2:05Speaker 5get get a handle on my fitness,
2:08Speaker 5get my health under control.
2:10Speaker 5Ever since then, I've been super into,
2:14Speaker 5yeah, every just as a hobby, you know, bodybuilding, peptides, biohacking, fitness, you know,
2:20Speaker 2more muscle, less fat, and that bleeds over, I think, into every part of your life. But- Sure does. Little bit of a- Seems to happen. You start getting, looking a little good and feel a little good. You want a little bit of more. Yeah. Tell us though a little bit about you though, and like,
2:34Speaker 2just who you are. You're such a big, big wig in the financial world.
2:38Speaker 2You have a extremely large YouTube channel.
2:42Speaker 2Where has that grown lately? Like, what is your your expertise? Is is financial. You give financial advice and help people make money. That part, we know. But what do you do exactly now? Like, what type of, customers are you or people are you working for currently?
2:55Speaker 5So I I this this may not be exactly what you're asking, but, my business
3:00Speaker 5on the, on the front end, like my marketing, my free stuff is like my, my YouTube channel is the main thing. So I make a couple videos per week just explaining, hey, this happened. The Federal Reserve just did this. Stock market's doing this. Like, just explaining how the economy works because
3:16Speaker 5it's such a complex thing that most people don't understand. And it's like, if the more you understand how it works, the more you know, like, okay, this is what I need to do to navigate it, because it can feel just daunting and scary. That's
3:28Speaker 5my newsletter, Twitter, social media, YouTube, all of that is like the front end where it's just like, I wanna help people for free just learn about this stuff. And behind that, my business where I like, you know, make money is,
3:40Speaker 5I've been
3:41Speaker 5so I was a stockbroker,
3:43Speaker 5and since 2019, I've been running my business, but I invest for myself.
3:49Speaker 5My
3:50Speaker 5okay, if you don't know much about investing, this might not mean much, but my 5 year average annual return is 39 to 40%. Holy shit. Which is like the stock market average is like 10 to 12
4:02Speaker 5and so
4:03Speaker 5there's been some good years. I'm not claiming that that's gonna be, you know, forever,
4:08Speaker 5but,
4:09Speaker 5a couple years ago, realized I was like, okay,
4:11Speaker 5I know what I'm doing. I'm pretty good at this. I'm just gonna share the trades that I'm making
4:16Speaker 5with my
4:17Speaker 5paid community. And
4:20Speaker 5that just kind of spiraled and became the main product. So that's the main business that I do now is I have, you know, just a trade alert service where it's like, I just share the investments and the trades that I'm making with
4:31Speaker 5my paid- And people and what so people, what, pay a, like, a subscription? Yeah, just an annual an annual membership, and, and, we do some, you know, we do the behind the scenes, like, the private live streams and that kind of stuff, but the the main thing is just the the trade alerts. People wanna know where to put their money and they- Exactly. Yeah, put it where you tell them. Yeah. I'm gonna say, this is what I'm doing.
4:53Speaker 5You know, it, you know, I'm not promising it'll work forever, but it's been working so far pretty well. And if you wanna follow along with what I'm doing, I'm not telling you to do it, but I'm sharing with you what I'm doing. And what, like, platform is that on?
5:03Speaker 5You can do it anyway, actually. So I just, yeah, I just YouTube. I send out an email and a text with the, with the trade that I make, and then they can just, if they want to, they can just place the same trade themselves in their own account, whether they're trading on Robinhood or Webull or Schwab or Fidelity or whatever. Yeah.
5:19Speaker 2Said though before, because I know you well,
5:22Speaker 2you were a stockbroker at 1st working for somebody. Yeah. So you were doing well. You know you're making what anybody would call a very nice living.
5:31Speaker 2And then you got to a point through more studying and learning and evolving, and you realized that what
5:38Speaker 2you were selling, you didn't believe in it yet. So
5:41Speaker 0you took a left turn
5:43Speaker 2away from that.
5:45Speaker 2What would you compare that
5:47Speaker 2to?
5:49Speaker 2This isn't what I thought it was compared to like, say Western medicine and what are some of the things that are now making people take a left turn away from
5:58Speaker 2what we've been taught forever? Cause they're very similar, I think, left turns.
6:02Speaker 2They're coming up to what people would call cognizant dissonance stage. People are changing and seeking something different, whether it be financial,
6:10Speaker 2whether it be health, nutrition,
6:13Speaker 2you know, for the longest time, you know, the sugar and the things that people didn't really know what they're eating. Like I've been into this forever and I'd be like, well, tell me you have a good diet. Tell me about your diet. And you'd like, Nope, that's not a good diet, know? Because there's just so much. But
6:29Speaker 2people are changing, I believe, and they are seeking something very different. So it's very similar to kind of like that left turn for you. Is that something that happened to you? Because, you know, when I 1st saw you, you know, you were a different looking were not this in shape dude who's ripped. Even when you walked in today, was like, dang, dude. Woah.
6:47Speaker 2Yeah. You know what I mean? But, you know, we're getting out with that. It's it's that left turn is I think it's the same. Yeah. I mean,
6:53Speaker 5when I when I quit my job to start my business, a lot of it was like like I I shared with this with you earlier that I think people
7:01Speaker 5will not change until the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of changing.
7:05Speaker 5And
7:07Speaker 5there's a, it's called the I can't remember the name of this, some beta something paradox, but
7:13Speaker 5if you're like, if you're like a mile away from something, like, we're if we're gonna go eat lunch and we're like a mile away, we might walk there because it'll take us, you know, 10 minutes or so, 15 minutes maybe to walk there. But if it's 2 or 3 miles away, we're gonna get in the car and drive,
7:28Speaker 5and we're gonna get there in like 2 minutes.
7:30Speaker 5And so
7:31Speaker 5sometimes if you're in a worse position,
7:34Speaker 5that's actually better
7:35Speaker 5because it forces a larger change that gets you to a way better position faster. If you're just in a mildly suffering position, then you might be okay just staying there because that pain of staying the same is not really that great. Yeah.
7:48Speaker 5And so, you know, for me, changing my career and starting my business, that was I was miserable, so I wanted to make that big left turn.
7:56Speaker 5Health wise, it was the same thing. I was
7:59Speaker 5I I I noticed 1 day that anytime there was a picture, like a family picture or something,
8:05Speaker 5and I was in it, I was like, I don't I don't wanna look at that picture, like, move. Like, I realized I don't like the way that I look in photos. I was like, I don't like the way that I look That's probably real life. I can't dress in clothes and I'm like, I can't find clothes that I look good in. I'm like, I just don't like the way I look. Yeah. I was like, I don't want to look in the mirror and not like what I'm looking at. I was like, this is and I know it's probably pretty shallow and vain, but it was like because it wasn't about like
8:30Speaker 5at that time, it wasn't like, oh, I wanna make sure I'm there, walk my daughter down the aisle someday. It wasn't like a I didn't have a health crisis or anything. Right. But I was obese. I was 230 pounds. I'm 5 10. And I was I I wanna like the way that I look in the mirror. Sure. And,
8:45Speaker 4and so that's that's kinda what triggered that that pain and made me start changing. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, I you know, it's so funny. People are just like, oh, you know, oh, I don't care what anybody thinks. If you really don't care, then you'd be walking around naked. For sure. Yeah. Liar. Liar.
8:59Speaker 4Right? Pajamas.
9:01Speaker 4Right? As comfortable things as you possibly can. Right?
9:04Speaker 4I don't think there's absolutely nothing wrong. I always say if you feel good, you play good and play good and you feel or if you and if you if you feel if you look good, you feel good. If you feel good, you play good. Yep. And that life and everything. So there's nothing wrong with that. Most every I don't know. I'd say most and everybody's fitness changes are
9:20Speaker 4vanity,
9:21Speaker 5probably a higher percentage of vanity reasons. I think Than not. I think we're built to- And it makes sense. We've- To like the way- Yeah. We're that's built into us. We're not we're not built to look in the mirror and feel like, that's-
9:33Speaker 4Hell no.
9:34Speaker 4You're
9:35Speaker 4better with your clients, you're better with everybody- Yeah. If you get better and you feel better about yourself. Yeah. True. So did the fitness change? So I guess it's
9:45Speaker 4the career move. Yep. And the fit were those the exact same time? No. Did it coincide the same time? No. '29 mid 20 19
9:52Speaker 5was when I quit my job, and then, 01/01/2021
9:57Speaker 5was when I went carnivore. I remember New Year's Eve 20 20,
10:02Speaker 5you know, we were we were celebrating with friends and I was like, I I was like, just you guys wait. This year is gonna be
10:08Speaker 5crazy crazy. Beforehand?
10:10Speaker 5I don't remember. Maybe.
10:13Speaker 5I definitely told the, you know, closest people around me. But, man, I went carnivore that,
10:19Speaker 5that day, and for the 1st couple of weeks, I felt like a drug addict going through withdrawals. I was, like, fantasizing about dumping Skittles in my mouth. Like, I was like, it was rough. I was depressed.
10:29Speaker 5But I was like, I had tried a bunch of diets over the last, you know, 5, 10 years before that.
10:35Speaker 5Lost a little bit of weight, gained it back.
10:37Speaker 5And I think the difference was why it stuck this time
10:40Speaker 5was
10:42Speaker 5the difference between, like,
10:45Speaker 5trying to do something versus committing to an outcome. Like, if you say, I'm gonna try and lose weight, then what you're saying is, I'm going to take an action. Yeah. And whatever the result will be, the result will be. Yeah. The other option is to commit to an outcome and say, I'm going to get here, and I don't know what actions will take me will will be required to get me there, but I'm gonna get there. And that's that that was kind of the difference in the mentality that and which is why I think it stuck. And so, yeah, 5 months later, I had lost 50 pounds and
11:14Speaker 3kinda never looked back. So you're like thirty- Awesome.
11:16Speaker 230 years old, give or take? Yeah. Because it's so common. It's so common that, that's a lifestyle of most people these days. Yeah. Was it lack of knowledge of nutrition?
11:29Speaker 2Was it,
11:31Speaker 2didn't, you know what mean? Because you're a very intelligent guy, but you probably had to study because you want a carnivores. I know you read about it, but before that,
11:38Speaker 2which got you, you said obese, which got you abused. What led up to that lack of knowledge of nutrition? Why? Why were you there? How did you get there? Lack of
11:48Speaker 2Just
11:49Speaker 2probably a lack of,
11:52Speaker 5I
11:54Speaker 5the the the Not caring. Yeah, I didn't I didn't the pain wasn't
11:58Speaker 5strong enough yet because I think I knew like, the nutrition stuff, like,
12:03Speaker 5I I think was an like, enough there where if I
12:07Speaker 5wanted to put into the put it into action, I could have,
12:11Speaker 5but it just it just the pain wasn't strong enough for me yet. I preferred the Oreos and the Doritos more than I preferred the fitness to that. And you were married?
12:21Speaker 4Yeah. So you weren't you were doubt looking to I wasn't out there trying Yeah. It looked great to pick up a girl. You were just dumbed? Yeah. Right. Or just upright. Right. Yeah.
12:31Speaker 5That was, you know, another thing that just the health bleeds over into that, that, like, I've never had any marriage issues whatsoever,
12:38Speaker 5like, you know, relationship wise in the bedroom, anything like that. But I did notice, like, when I got in shape,
12:46Speaker 5like,
12:48Speaker 5it drastically
12:51Speaker 5improved
12:52Speaker 5the physical side of the relationship, even just from, like, you know, my own stamina and, like, you know, the the attraction that my wife, like, she never would have said she wasn't attracted to me before. She always said she really liked the way I looked, but then it was, like, noticeably more once I got in shape. It was like, oh, like,
13:11Speaker 5what's the difference?
13:12Speaker 0Luis,
13:13Speaker 2like you guys just said, vanity is vanity. We when when you take a picture and there's 5 people, why do you look at yourself?
13:19Speaker 2You don't pay much money with your tics and attention to other people. I can't I think we're programmed to that, but
13:25Speaker 2as time goes on in marriages and whatnot, this is just my stance and you guys can kind of give me years if you want.
13:31Speaker 2Your wife wants to be attracted to you. Yeah. Like, I think that we're all supposed to continue to work on ourselves. We're all supposed to continue to like do that for ourselves for 1 and for our brides as well. I mean, because they go hand in hand, you're a businessman, you know, you're very successful man.
13:48Speaker 2But you see a lot of successful people that don't put a lot of time into their health. Why do you think that is?
13:56Speaker 0Just
13:57Speaker 2lack of time and they just don't care. You know what I mean? Yeah, time is a big 1.
14:07Speaker 5I don't know. I think there's
14:09Speaker 5there might also be something about, like, when
14:13Speaker 5you are hyper successful in something, part of it requires extreme obsession.
14:17Speaker 5Mhmm. And
14:18Speaker 5that requires focus.
14:20Speaker 5And so I think,
14:22Speaker 5I I think that sometimes people even subconsciously just make
14:27Speaker 5make choices to sacrifice
14:29Speaker 5that. Sacrifice health, sacrifice fitness. Like, I'm focused on this. I don't care about anything else. And that's why relationships fail a lot when, like, guys are, like, super focused on building a business. And,
14:39Speaker 5so I think you that hyper hyper obsession with achieving goals
14:44Speaker 4can can leave other important things on the sidelines. Yeah. Yeah. I'd agree with that. I'd That's why I look at my my my life. Yeah. Yeah. I've absolutely
14:54Speaker 4that would be like, I've I have started to work out less. I'm in the worst shape of my life. Now, not saying I'm in touch fit, but I but I am because, like, dude, I am sorry. Like, I have now
15:05Speaker 4a whole bunch more priorities. Yeah. And
15:08Speaker 4and I can't and don't and choose not to dedicate that much of my life right now to the Yeah. To working out.
15:15Speaker 4But I still do it. I can still work out Yeah. Every day because I have to for my brain. Like, dude, I mean, this is what I've been doing my whole life. And and, I mean, I feel good about myself if I look good,
15:26Speaker 4and my brain only works if I'm actually working out. I mean, there's 1000 other benefits, but, yeah, for sure. Other thing is you're
15:34Speaker 5it's like almost like a savings account. Like, it's a lot harder to build up a $50,000 savings account than it is to keep a $50,000 savings account. It's a lot harder to build a really nice physique than it is to keep a really nice physique. Absolutely. Like, the amount of effort it takes to keep a good physique is so little compared to what it took to get you there. So that's why we talked earlier about like, don't look at what successful people are doing. Look at what they did. Yeah. Same thing in the gym. It's like, you look at people who are jacked a lot of times, they don't do that much volume. They don't do that much intensity. Like, they're maintaining their physique. But if you look at what it took them to get them there That's a great point. It's a lot of work and a lot of discipline. My 1st year of sobriety, like, I I went to the gym, like, I think I counted, like, 380 days out of 365.
16:17Speaker 4Literally,
16:18Speaker 4I think I didn't go when there was Christmas.
16:22Speaker 4Several times I went twice a day. Yep. And yes, that I built the foundation. This is the argument for building more muscle. Right? The more muscle you build, you see the people who are super ripped aren't doing that much cardio. Yeah. Their muscle just boosts their metabolism like crazy, and that burns off any excess bad things that they wanna eat, and that makes up for a lot. And it is a lot easier, yeah, to maintain it than to build it. So you gotta build Yeah. You need to build. Gotta build it 1st. Yeah. Yeah. You, so you build a successful business,
16:51Speaker 2and you've
16:52Speaker 5built what most people would call a successful body. Which 1 was more was harder? Yeah. Oh, man. You know what I mean? That's a good question, dude. Yeah. I don't I don't know. The,
17:02Speaker 5yeah.
17:04Speaker 5The the nice thing about fitness is that it's there's a very clear and simple
17:11Speaker 5path of like, if you want this,
17:14Speaker 5there's an exact thing. You do this, then this, then this, then this, and you will definitely get this. Mathematical certainty. Business is a little bit like, you're gonna have to weave and dodge, and you're gonna have to go through things you didn't know, and you're gonna have to, you're gonna try 1 thing that's not gonna work and try 10 more things and finally something's gonna work. Fitness is a little bit more like the,
17:31Speaker 5you know, the calories, the food, the health, the nutrition. It's like the fitness, like there's a plan. Like- Yeah. Everybody Like it's, yeah, it's like math. Just do the thing that everybody else did and you will get the same result.
17:43Speaker 0Very true. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
17:47Speaker 2getting in shape, do you think, like, if you have a guy,
17:51Speaker 2he's in his mid forties,
17:53Speaker 2he's hasn't had much direction in life, he's not in shape, He's coming to you for some guidance. Right?
18:00Speaker 2Do you start with business stuff? I mean, like a friend, like, he doesn't have to be a client obviously, but like, where would you start with that? Like, would you start with,
18:09Speaker 2you know what I mean? Or would you start with trying to get him in shape more? Because I have my answer to this. I'm curious on yours.
18:18Speaker 2Where would you start with that guy? He's 40 years old. He doesn't have any savings. He's worked dead end job. Yeah. And now he has this drive now to to get better at all around. Where do you start that guy?
18:30Speaker 5I mean, this this might be you might disagree with me on this. Yep. I
18:37Speaker 5I don't think it's possible
18:39Speaker 5to
18:40Speaker 5to cause change in somebody,
18:43Speaker 5that they are not already seeking. And so I've got a buddy who
18:50Speaker 5who has come to me multiple times
18:52Speaker 5for like advice
18:54Speaker 5with trying to start little businesses to make more money.
18:56Speaker 5And he just fundamentally,
18:59Speaker 5like I think has a belief that money is bad and wrong and identifies
19:03Speaker 5with like a victim status of being poor.
19:06Speaker 5And
19:07Speaker 5he has never done anything that I've told him to do on the money side. Right. But he's coming to me now and saying like, hey, I wanna get in shape. And so I'm like, all right, week 1, don't do anything. You don't even have to go to the gym, just write down everything you need, because I wanna see for a week. Like, don't try and change everything, anything. I just wanna see everything. All right, if you can do that for a week and write everything down, week number 2, all you have to do is hit your protein goal. Like, just hit 200 grams, and it has to come from real food. It has to come from chicken, beef, fish, eggs, whatever. Like, can't come from a protein bar. Like, you gotta get your 200 grams. Okay, if you can do that now, next week, we're gonna hit your fat, like, little tiny baby steps, because you try and throw somebody like that, work out this much, do this much cardio, get these weights, they're gonna get overwhelmed, the information overload, they're gonna be so sore.
19:52Speaker 5So it's like,
19:53Speaker 5there there's a step by step plan that he's sticking to. And so it's like, because that's what he actually wants to change. Yeah. So I think it partly or mostly maybe comes down to what that person is actually looking for. Like, what do you want and what are you willing to do to get it? Well, we talked about this earlier.
20:07Speaker 2Yeah. What do you want? What do you want? Nobody has what they want. But you wouldn't say that that would be the same for for for finance too because you would have to have that same type of, you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta Oh, do for sure, yeah. But if so if they came to me and said, hey, I need to get my money in order. It's like, okay,
20:23Speaker 5number 1, list out list out like everything you're spending your money on. Like, let's look at your budget. Where's your money going? Because you can't
20:31Speaker 5get somewhere if you don't know where you're starting. It's like when you're putting your maps on a car, it's like, it can't give you a navigation route unless it knows where you're starting from. So we gotta know where you are. Like, where's your money going? Like, you don't have anything because it's going somewhere. Like,
20:43Speaker 5you don't know where, don't know how much you're spending at McDonald's every week. Nobody does. Yeah. It's
20:49Speaker 5probably a lot more than you think it is. And so we're gonna look at what you're doing 1st. And then from there, it's like, okay, we're gonna peel back these layers so you don't spend the money over here. We're gonna get you out of debt next. And once you're out of debt, we're gonna build up your emergency fund, and then we're gonna start an automatic savings account or an investing account so that you don't ever have to think about it. This is another thing with discipline.
21:07Speaker 5The most disciplined people in the world, they've studied these people, like the people who, like, demonstrate the most discipline. They don't exercise willpower most of the time. They've constructed their life in a way Yeah. Where they don't have to use willpower. Like, I don't have to try to not eat Oreos because I don't have Oreos. Yeah.
21:23Speaker 5Right. But if you put a bunch of Oreos in front of me, I'm gonna have to use willpower to not Right? Eat
21:28Speaker 5They cut that out of their lives. Cut that out of their life. Their lifestyle, their habits are different. And so you could, you construct a lifestyle around yourself where you don't have to use willpower. So you set up those transfers automatically so that your money is going into the market, your money is going into your assets without you ever see. You don't have to choose the willpower to buy the gold, to buy the Bitcoin, buy the stocks. It just happens. You put all of that stuff on autopilot.
21:48Speaker 2Yeah. Well, we talked about this last time where where
21:51Speaker 2What is that? It's thinking through shit.
21:54Speaker 2Nobody does that. So you have Americans.
21:56Speaker 2We'll just use Americans for now. I'd imagine this most of the world, but let's use Americans. We have Americans who are,
22:02Speaker 2have never been more out of shape. It's like looking around, I think it was like 73 percent of people are overweight. Yep. I don't remember the obesity rate.
22:10Speaker 2And you have most people that if they get a flat tire, they can't even pay that flat tire. And that's not knocking anybody. I'm just telling you statistics, which they're somewhere around that.
22:20Speaker 2Why do you think that is? Like, why has is that happening? What is it? Do you think it's financial? Because you're a financial guy, and I know that you and I have similar feelings of what's gone up to this. But do you why do you think that is?
22:33Speaker 5Well, 2 things. I'm gonna start off with, like, a note of, like, good news actually, which is, like, I think people like you and businesses like you are, like, actually being, like, noticeably successful on, like, a
22:44Speaker 5statistical level. The last 3 years
22:47Speaker 52 or 3 years are the 1st years in, like, 4 decades
22:51Speaker 5where the average weight in America has gone down. Yeah.
22:55Speaker 5The average weight in America has been climbing for decades, and just like 2 years ago was the 1st time where that's actually started to trickle down.
23:01Speaker 5GLP-1s. Yeah. But also so many people are like, they're they're tired of it. Yeah. And that that pain has gotten to the point where they're like, I wanna I'm gonna do what it takes to to change. I think social media might help. This might be the 1 helpful thing there. For sure. Like the double edged sword. Wait. Like, damn. I can get in shape, there's access to knowledge. There's access to envy.
23:19Speaker 4Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I think COVID helped too. Yeah. The crazy thing is starting to go I didn't say it. Continue. But, like He said it this time. Like, in in a recession, what do say, like, alcohol and fitness
23:32Speaker 4always are the things that are stable economies.
23:34Speaker 4Yeah.
23:35Speaker 4Drugs and alcohol. Yeah. Because because what are those? Those are the 2 things that actually make you feel good real fast. Gratification.
23:43Speaker 5Thanks.
23:45Speaker 4Yep. K. Carry on with the answer though. So, yeah. So definitely
23:48Speaker 5that pain gets to the point. Right now, people are drinking alcohol, especially gen z, like, than ever before. Wow. They're smoking weed. Like, kids.
23:57Speaker 4Sorry. Yeah.
23:59Speaker 4Do you look at these kids? These, like, teenagers now? Like, I don't drink.
24:03Speaker 2They don't drink. They're not buying houses. Like, why? What's the shift? Do you think that it's people just seeking something different made that maybe that their parents have that they don't want? I yeah. Part part of yeah. Seeing the pain of that lifestyle, I don't want that.
24:16Speaker 5The information and the knowledge and the truth is available now. Like 20 years ago, was pretty hard to,
24:21Speaker 5like, nobody knew what a seed oil was 20 years ago. Sure. And now it's like restaurants
24:26Speaker 5are popping up everywhere that are like, Hey, we're seed oil free. Totally. We're gluten free. We're Monsanto,
24:31Speaker 5you know, GMO, whatever. Like we're like, there's when
24:35Speaker 5people get exposed to the truth,
24:37Speaker 5a good amount of people are gonna And so the recession is a good thing, like a good,
24:42Speaker 5example of this too.
24:44Speaker 5For 40 years, from 1970
24:47Speaker 5through,
24:49Speaker 52008,
24:50Speaker 5the, United States debt to asset ratio
24:54Speaker 5was growing.
24:55Speaker 5So in 2008,
24:59Speaker 5Americans
25:00Speaker 5households on average had more debt compared to their assets than ever before in US history.
25:05Speaker 5Obviously,
25:06Speaker 5that
25:07Speaker 5crushed everything and everything collapsed.
25:10Speaker 5Today,
25:10Speaker 5US household debt to asset ratio is lower than it's ever been in 50 years, going back all the way to 1970. Why?
25:17Speaker 5Because we lived through the pain and said, I don't want that. I don't wanna lose my house again. I don't wanna like go into that debt again. I don't wanna live through that pain.
25:26Speaker 5And so
25:27Speaker 5Start paying attention to your contracts.
25:30Speaker 5Your mortgage contracts and yeah,
25:32Speaker 4start taking a little bit of personal responsibility.
25:35Speaker 0Cause what anyway? Yeah.
25:37Speaker 5So I think there's
25:39Speaker 5some good news that like enough, you push the truth out there enough and people are-
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26:44Speaker 5Respond to it and start start doing the right thing. It's hard to do the right thing when when you're in darkness and you don't know what the right thing is. And Yeah. Today, it's pretty easy to find find the truth. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, I would imagine that is
26:57Speaker 2a big catalyst to it is COVID, because I think regardless, not to be political, just like everybody's,
27:03Speaker 2no matter what side of the street you're on, it doesn't even matter.
27:07Speaker 2Something's off. Yep, something's off. We've been lied to, so they're starting to seek. I mean, peptides have been growing
27:14Speaker 2just so fast and that's why people are seeking health healthy, but they're starting to obviously try to do some stuff with business as well. Right. They're starting to look at, well, you see the kids, like you just said, there's a huge shift in kids not drinking.
27:28Speaker 2They're,
27:29Speaker 2not seeking that, like, typical,
27:33Speaker 2what we were told, like, the before the pig offense and all that stuff. Why do you think that is, dude?
27:40Speaker 2Religious changes?
27:44Speaker 5Maybe.
27:44Speaker 5I don't know that
27:46Speaker 5Almost think younger generation is like 1 of the most They look in their social media and they think they all can be a famous influencer. So like hell with a bite, big offense. Yeah. I think social media. I don't wanna I don't wanna kinda work a 9 to 5 my entire life and then because look at all these other people Right. Flowing up. I don't know. Yeah. I I think that's probably part of it. And from an optimistic standpoint, it's like, I didn't wanna go work for somebody else for the next 40 years in a job that I was miserable in, like, regardless of the fact that my salary was way better than most people's. And most people, when they get into those jobs, like, their salary is not very, very good. And so these young kids are like, well, school's a joke.
28:22Speaker 5College degree is gonna cost a $100,000,
28:25Speaker 5and it's not gonna actually get me a job. I'm gonna be stuck in debt forever that I can't get out of even with bankruptcy. Right. And that's maybe gonna get me a job that I could get paid the same if I got that same job without a degree, because it's not actually necessary.
28:37Speaker 5Why not try and start something on my own and try and build something and make an impact and
28:41Speaker 5be like, oh, you know, more entrepreneurial?
28:44Speaker 2There's a shift going on. Yeah. I mean, they know that like, can make money from this. Like, this is what they see, which is Mhmm. I mean, social media is such a double edged sword. There's so many negative things, but there's so many positive things where
28:55Speaker 2this little sucker sitting in your pocket can make you Yeah. Mhmm. So much money.
28:59Speaker 2You've lived on both sides of the street where you said you were obese. Again, I'm using your words. I don't know if you were not, but so obese. I'll show you the pictures. Yeah. Well, I saw when I 1st started watching, you were pretty big. That's true. Yeah. That's why you're but,
29:11Speaker 2you've
29:12Speaker 2were you treated a certain way? And then after you got in shape, were you treat are you treated a different way? Like, now, like, was it just your
29:21Speaker 2confidence going up or were you actually treated different?
29:26Speaker 0Said your wife? Yeah.
29:27Speaker 5I mean, outside. Things I yeah. Things like that.
29:34Speaker 5You know, I don't know if
29:36Speaker 5I could say whether it was people actually treating me differently or just the way that I perceive myself and then present to myself differently in the world, and then people responding to that, I'm not sure.
29:48Speaker 5But whatever the whatever
29:50Speaker 5whichever side of that coin it is, I mean, yeah, it's when
29:54Speaker 5you when you are
29:57Speaker 2confident with yourself, you're gonna present yourself differently and Carry yourself differently. Carry yourself differently. Me tell you where I'm going with that. So I have a thing where,
30:06Speaker 2and I get feedback from it from, you know, when I post things and I'm used to that stuff. But I said,
30:12Speaker 2why is a man that walks in a room who's ripped, everybody notices him. Why?
30:18Speaker 2Because what he has cannot be bought. Yep. You're a business owner. So if you have 2 people, one's in shape, one's not, does that play a role in your decision?
30:29Speaker 5Yeah. I mean,
30:32Speaker 0because even
30:34Speaker 5if it's subconscious,
30:35Speaker 2you know,
30:36Speaker 5there's,
30:37Speaker 5there's a,
30:39Speaker 5a visual
30:41Speaker 5representation
30:42Speaker 5of the amount of
30:43Speaker 5discipline that somebody has and what they're willing to go through to get something like the delayed gratification to be able to get something that is
30:51Speaker 2is difficult. I agree, and that's why I'm kinda like leading you there where I believe that's what most people subconsciously just believe. I think that's why there's so much change and there's so much seeking. I mean, podcast has done so well because it's
31:05Speaker 2just, we just, we were talking about peptides. There's nothing special about Will and I. They're just seeking
31:10Speaker 2GLP-1s,
31:11Speaker 2they say are gonna I don't remember the statistics somebody that I read about how many people will be taking GLP-1s in about 5 years, and it's just like Because they're not just for people to lose weight, they're for guys that
31:23Speaker 2are ripped. They're for bodybuilders. Yeah. All the above. Your journey didn't start with any of that stuff or did it? You said carnivore?
31:30Speaker 5That yeah. So it started with carnivore. Mhmm.
31:33Speaker 5And
31:34Speaker 5so, I mean, we can get as deep into this as as we want, but I do. I wanna kinda get into your journey from carnivore to ketchups because it's probably similar to mine. Let's get into it. I did carnivore straight for a year. And after a year, I started noticing a couple things. Number 1, I didn't have much energy in the gym.
31:52Speaker 5Number 2, I was having a real hard problem staying warm. I was, like, pretty cold all the time. And
31:58Speaker 5I didn't realize it at the time, it's a thyroid thing. And so I started adding in,
32:03Speaker 5fruits and started, like, eating, like, berries and stuff and honey and, you know, more carbs from, like, natural sources. Did that work? It it it
32:11Speaker 5it improved things a lot.
32:14Speaker 5And so this would have been,
32:16Speaker 5for
32:17Speaker 5the next,
32:18Speaker 5yeah, for the next couple of years, just lifting
32:22Speaker 5consistently every single day in a very, very, in intentional way for hypertrophy,
32:28Speaker 5you know, the hitting
32:30Speaker 5failure around 5 to 15 reps, somewhere in there, doing 3 to 6 exercise per day of, you know, 2 to 4 sets per,
32:38Speaker 5exercise.
32:40Speaker 5And tracking my macros, making sure I was getting the protein, tracking all my, you know, calories and everything.
32:46Speaker 5And in, at the beginning of 20 25, end of 20 24, end of 20 25,
32:52Speaker 5right around 2 to 03:00 every day, I'd be, like, struggling
32:57Speaker 5to not fall asleep.
32:59Speaker 5Like, even on the weekends, like, no matter how much sleep I got, like, I'd be sitting there with my family. We'd be, like, playing a game on a Saturday or something, and I'd be sitting there, like, like, dozing off. Like, I'd actually fall asleep. And never happened to me before, and I thought that I needed testosterone. Yeah. And so I went to a, health clinic and they pulled all my blood work and,
33:20Speaker 5they said, you've you've got Hashimoto's,
33:23Speaker 5hypothyroidism.
33:25Speaker 5And my mom has that too. And I just, it's mostly women. I've never even thought that, you know, I might have that. And I think it's, I don't know if this is, provable, but I think I may have aggravate, like I had the predisposition and I aggravated it through carnivore because your thyroid usually runs off of carbs. And
33:44Speaker 5so I just had no T3,
33:47Speaker 5no T4 in my body. My antibodies were, you know, sky high.
33:51Speaker 5And so I went on, naturally desiccated thyroid
33:54Speaker 5and fixed it instantly. Was like, felt back to normal. And I was like, oh, this
34:00Speaker 5is crazy. I can't believe that that's what, you know, what I've been dealing with this whole time.
34:04Speaker 5Then that triggered a couple other things because when you take thyroid medication, that spikes your SHBG,
34:09Speaker 5which is sex hormone binding globulin. So even though my total testosterone is fine at like 8 or 900, my free testosterone was in the gutter because it's binding up all of my free testosterone.
34:19Speaker 0So, Right around
34:21Speaker 5yeah. Right around the beginning of 20 25, I went on,
34:28Speaker 5a couple of different peptides to try and fix that. I was I tried Enclomiphene.
34:32Speaker 5I did HCG.
34:33Speaker 5I did Kisspeptin.
34:34Speaker 5And
34:36Speaker 5I
34:38Speaker 5could sometimes get some of my markers to change, but it never bled over into
34:43Speaker 5just free testosterone being good. Spiked my E2 and like, so I couldn't really get that dialed in.
34:50Speaker 5And, and so I was like, alright, well, I'm gonna,
34:53Speaker 5maybe maybe pull my body fat down. So last year, I started,
34:57Speaker 5Retta for the 1st time. Mhmm. That was that was
35:01Speaker 5unbelievable. That was the 1st
35:03Speaker 51st time in my life where I felt like that addiction
35:06Speaker 5to food,
35:07Speaker 5just like I could comfortably stop eating
35:10Speaker 5once
35:12Speaker 5I was full and I didn't have the craving to keep stuffing my face.
35:16Speaker 5And that, you know, we can get into all the peptides. I've tried a ton of them now. What was the 1st? Like, so you're figuring this out, which is great because I think you're
35:25Speaker 2we're pretty much
35:27Speaker 2all the beginners start, like, I got these problems. Sometimes it's an aching pain, sometimes it's overweight, and they start to look for peptides Yeah. Or whatever.
35:35Speaker 2And what's the beginning? Like, so what was your your what was your 1st peptide? Was it to fix the free testosterone?
35:43Speaker 5Yeah. So right after I started on
35:46Speaker 5the thyroid medication,
35:48Speaker 5that's when I
35:49Speaker 5at the same time, I started Retta.
35:52Speaker 2Okay.
35:55Speaker 5What was it?
35:57Speaker 5Thought Tesamorelin.
35:58Speaker 0K. And
36:02Speaker 5Kisspeptin.
36:04Speaker 5Okay. I think those were the 3 I started off with. And you were not on TRT? No, not yet. Didn't start TRT until this year. Okay. Cool.
36:12Speaker 5And so Kisspeptin,
36:14Speaker 5tried, didn't really do anything, so I
36:17Speaker 5got rid of that. HCG,
36:19Speaker 5I don't know if that counts as a peptide. I tried that. Does. And
36:23Speaker 5then,
36:24Speaker 5and then once I start like, my whole life, I've been scared of needles. Like, the 1st Yeah. Time Yeah. Right. The 1st time I pinned myself, I'm
36:34Speaker 5literally shaking. Like, I I was like I was like, I might need I was like, Hillary, I might need you to hold my hand so I can, like, not, like, poke myself 10 times, like, from the from the shaking.
36:44Speaker 5And, you know, just a little insulin syringe, poked myself, didn't feel it. Yeah. I was like, what? Was a new world. I was like, it didn't hurt. The hills are alive.
36:54Speaker 5Yeah. Seriously. That's what we tell And then the week next week, I tried,
37:00Speaker 5what's the L carnitine?
37:02Speaker 5L carnitine? Okay. Harpoon needle straight into the top of my quad. No. And that was terrible.
37:08Speaker 0No. Yeah. Abort.
37:10Speaker 5Yeah. That
37:11Speaker 5was the worst.
37:13Speaker 5But where did they, like, use where did all this how did you start you just started reading about this? Like, what led you to have For a while, I had been seen people? No. Just me. I had been well, the health the performance clinic that I was talking to, like, I got the Tesamorelin through them, and, I talked to them a little bit about about some of them. But,
37:30Speaker 5I just started, you know, noticing people doing I was reading about them. I was learning about them, trying to figure out, okay, like, everyone that I tried, I was like, did a deep dive on, like, what are the what are the studies that are available on this?
37:42Speaker 5What are the risks? Like, what what are the consequences that some people have had? Like, am I willing to risk that? Yeah. Like, what are the benefits that, some people have seen?
37:51Speaker 5And so, and so
37:54Speaker 4How many what was the timeline? So, like, how many years ago was this 2025.
37:57Speaker 2Started. Okay. Early 20 25, like, April. Which is generally not long. Everybody's been starting. That's really when things just started lighting a fire, man. Like, there's a change at that time. Yeah. Not a year. Yeah. So, yeah, it was so it was Reta,
38:10Speaker 2Tesamorelin.
38:12Speaker 4Yep. Kisspeptin.
38:13Speaker 4Didn't like Kisspeptin.
38:14Speaker 4Yep. Didn't really do what you wanted. HCG.
38:16Speaker 4Did notice any difference in HCG?
38:19Speaker 5I noticed
38:20Speaker 4Your estrogen raising? Yeah. Yeah. Go up. Yeah.
38:24Speaker 5Yeah. And then my total changed a little bit, but not my free. Yeah. Yeah.
38:29Speaker 5Yeah. It's not gonna do anything. And clomiphene, same thing.
38:33Speaker 5Because those, I I think, are more effective if you're not producing, but I was producing.
38:37Speaker 5Yeah. It's it's just It just wasn't yeah. Yeah. They're gonna be very yes. Right. You were right. And
38:43Speaker 5then, and then I the carnitine sucked because you had this Hell, carnitine sucked. Yeah. Yeah.
38:48Speaker 5So then I just kinda started going down the rabbit hole, and I was like, okay, well, what about, you know, like, you know, beep I I did the, the glow stack. Mhmm. And,
38:59Speaker 5my I was telling you this. My body reacted like it was, you know, extremely painful at the injection site, that stinging. It was like it kept me up all night. Yeah. And, and then I was like, I'm not injured right now. Why am I why am I taking BPC-one hundred 57 TB 5? I'm not I don't have any injuries, so I I stopped taking that.
39:16Speaker 5I tried Melanotan,
39:17Speaker 5and I spend a good amount of time out in the sun. Like, every morning, I drink my coffee in the sun
39:22Speaker 5for about, like, 15 minutes,
39:24Speaker 5and I start getting so dark. My mom, she's like, did you did you, like, compete? Like, did you do a bodybuilding show? Because you look like you have a fake tan on. I was like, alright. I gotta pull back the Meline tan. It's dark.
39:38Speaker 4That seems to be such a common theme. Yeah.
39:41Speaker 4Bro. Yeah.
39:43Speaker 2Okay. I need to chill. Dude, the people come in here and we're like, dude, you
39:46Speaker 5Yeah. In my life, you do it. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell. Yeah.
39:51Speaker 5So I did that 1 for a while.
39:53Speaker 5Thymosin Alpha-one is a is 1 that stays in my rotation. Every time we go on a trip, I'll I'll do that because
40:00Speaker 5it it got, like, every time we would fly somewhere and we travel quite a bit, every time we'd fly somewhere- Sick. We'd get sick from the airplane or the or or or the hotel or whatever. So ever since I started that, I haven't been getting we haven't been getting any colds or sickness or anything from traveling, so
40:15Speaker 5that's great.
40:20Speaker 5Let's see. What are, I tried MOTS C for a while. I just didn't I didn't notice anything, Yeah.
40:25Speaker 5So
40:26Speaker 4I didn't keep on going with that 1. Which totally happens. That seems to be a really, a big 1 where if you are a person, your mitochondria-
40:34Speaker 4Well. Is doing well, is healthy, you're not gonna notice. Right.
40:39Speaker 4Yeah. And and most like like a lot of these peptides. Right? Right. Some of them work great for some people. Some don't work. They get gap that you need to make up, something you need to fix. Yeah.
40:50Speaker 0I just fixed free to session.
40:52Speaker 0TRT. TRT. Oh, okay. Yeah. Alright.
40:56Speaker 4I But did that unbind your I mean, are you still the same kind of ratio of
41:00Speaker 5Yeah. Total? Yeah. So my total looks like I'm lasting year. I'm only on 180
41:06Speaker 5mg
41:07Speaker 5a week, which I know is a high TRT dose. That's normal. That's what I do. Still within a normal TRT range, but
41:13Speaker 5my my total is always above 2,000. Oh, wow. So it looks like I'm blasting gear, but my free testosterone's, like, 20, 25. Oh, nice. My SHBG is, like, 56. Are you willing to try Provirin?
41:25Speaker 2It'll release that it'll release that free testosterone. So, I it's a super weak anabolic steroid. But that's what it does.
41:33Speaker 4It just tears the all the SHBG off of your receptors. Really? That's what it does, dude.
41:38Speaker 5It'll work. Okay. I'm gonna have to look into that. It's a happy steroid. There's, like, Yeah.
41:42Speaker 5Okay. It's not like it's not like
41:45Speaker 5you're gonna get You're not It's not like you're taking it. Pulls down SHBG.
41:48Speaker 2It generally enhances other steroids. But that's not you're not taking it for that. Yeah. But that 1 of the things it does is it releases some of that free testosterone, dude. Oh, okay. So it's better than the steroid. Know? Literally just kills off your SHBG. Okay. So your androgen receptor, right, is now covered.
42:03Speaker 5You take Proviolin and it just peels that off. And so now everything is gonna work really well. Well, I'm gonna have to look into that because be because my total is so high. Yeah. My my e 2 is spiking. I was getting, like, over 80
42:16Speaker 5e 2. So I had to I I didn't wanna take Arimidex because of Yeah. Good for you. We go but I I I take Aromiphene.
42:23Speaker 5Yeah. Okay. Which,
42:25Speaker 5little bit more stable, little less,
42:28Speaker 5toxic. And I only do 0.25 tab once a week, and that's pulled my YouTube back down to, like, 40. So it's, like, kind of a Aromasin is what I use if I were to use an AI. Yeah. Definitely.
42:39Speaker 4It just works a lot better too. Yeah.
42:41Speaker 0Yeah.
42:42Speaker 2Damn it. Your journey is suicidal.
42:44Speaker 5You you you don't feel good? No. I say it's a it's a suicidal suicidal
42:48Speaker 5AI. It kills it's called a suicidal inhibitor because it kills the aromatase enzyme instead of
42:55Speaker 5anastrozole just blocks it. And so anastrozole, you get those big every day if you don't take it, you get those big peaks and troughs. So the, yeah, the aromasin I found, it just is a lot more stable. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that will work, man. I mean, it just, you give it a try if you want. Yeah. But, yeah, I will. Will.
43:12Speaker 2You know? But it's your your journey is so similar, dude. It's like, this is like what I love talking about people because you're successful, but at the same time, it doesn't matter. Like we still have our own journey of health. Like it doesn't matter how much money you have in your bank,
43:26Speaker 2because if
43:27Speaker 2your health is gone, this don't mean anything. You know what I mean? And like, that's what's been such an amazing journey watching and like getting the questions that we get on this podcast
43:36Speaker 2is, again, because so many people are seeking something different, and peptides are amazing in regards to the just chains of amino acids, and it all kinda starts like that, dude. Yeah. Yeah. It is all I mean, it really it all just proves your entrepreneurial
43:49Speaker 4spirit. Most people, you said, all right, I have a goal.
43:53Speaker 4Screw it. I'm willing to try things. I'm willing to put the work in to read them. Yeah. You know how many people I come across that, like, are not willing to just, read a little bit. Yeah. To educate themselves. Yeah. That drives me crazy. But, like Yeah. Go figure. The ones who are and are willing to try, take some, you know, take some some daring risks. Right? Yeah. Try sticking myself with a needle even though I'm scared. Let's try other some other things. Right? What the hell? Let's let's try it. That is probably part of why you're successful in everything. And there are some side effects. Like, I was telling you the Uh-huh. Tesamorelin. So
44:25Speaker 5I because I developed an allergy to it. Okay. So I was on it for almost a year straight, and then I noticed, like, once a week,
44:32Speaker 5I would get, I'd get I'd start getting itchy. Like, I'd kinda break out of hives. And so I looked into it and found that, like, you know, 10 percent of people have a chance of, like, developing an allergy for it. And then I saw some people, they just kept on taking it. They went into anaphylactic shock. Yeah. So I was like, alright, I need to take a break. I took, like, I don't know, 2 months off. Mhmm. And then I tried it again,
44:52Speaker 5and it was the worst outbreak of hives I'd ever had. Like, my like, it all it felt a little bit like my throat was like, I was like, alright. I don't wanna I don't wanna mess with this. It was, that's bad. And they get worse and worse. Those reactions always get worse and worse. I mean, his wife, did he tell you what what Melissa she tried CJC 12 95,
45:11Speaker 4which is no 1 shot as Tesamorelin.
45:14Speaker 4Same thing. It's a GHRH,
45:15Speaker 4right? But that 1,
45:17Speaker 4more people have reactions to. She did 1
45:20Speaker 4injection.
45:21Speaker 0Right? I take, I gave her a shot. I went downstairs immediately. She,
45:26Speaker 2I don't know what happened right after, but she went into the room with my son and
45:30Speaker 2she came out and called for me and her lips were this big. Oh no. And I was like, if she wouldn't have, like, if I was like, she had to call me and try to explain it, I would just have not believed her because I didn't see it. And like, I was trying to call him and I was like, okay, and then I started researching and I was like, this is insane. I gave her some KPV. We didn't have antihistamine.
45:49Speaker 2And the KPV luckily worked
45:52Speaker 2because it slowly went down, but it was brutal. But I was reading right away and like, dude, if your throat closes it up, dude, you gotta go to So I kept asking her and she's like, not yet, but like, it feels a little weird. I was scared to death, dude.
46:04Speaker 2You know what I mean? Yeah. CJC is the 1 for some reason, little bit more crazy. Different. We talk about all the time. Like, you know, I I use this a lot, but, my dad, I just got him on NAD for the 1st time ever and stings the hell out of him. Yeah. Yeah.
46:17Speaker 2Me too. Sting me. Everybody's just different, dude. Yeah.
46:20Speaker 2The the point is that we all try these things. Yeah. We all run our blood work. We all just
46:26Speaker 2gosh. It takes a it it takes a long time to find your sweet spot. Like, your 1 80 might not be your sweet spot, dude. Yeah. I mean, that's mine, but, like, it took a lot of work to get there, dude. Yeah. You know? And, like, I was telling telling the last time on the q and a, like, as you get older,
46:42Speaker 2you you guys both look at me. As you get older
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47:30Speaker 2That sweet spot changes. Yeah. And, like, because I sat in my sweet spot for like 5 years, dude. Carnivore was great to me until it wasn't. Yeah. But you know, all I did was I just added in some carbs and right before I lift and right after. Yeah. I did some stuff obviously on gut health and stuff and little tweaks, and now I feel back to myself for the 1st time. Yeah. But you've gotta freaking work at it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, hell Things change. You gotta pivot. Constantly, dude. Like,
47:53Speaker 2you know, when it comes to, like,
47:55Speaker 2business, when it comes to health,
47:57Speaker 2it's all the same stuff, man. You gotta, like, research, you gotta read, you gotta try different things. And I think for the 1st time, Americans are finally ready
48:07Speaker 2for some changes health wise,
48:09Speaker 2business wise, we've seen in the kids, behavior is changing, and that's rad, bro. Whatever the reason, I don't know exactly why,
48:15Speaker 5but it's awesome. Yeah. I think the blood work is super important because it's like it's a gauge of, like, seeing
48:21Speaker 5what's actually happening because you might not feel it just
48:24Speaker 5if you're going by how you feel
48:26Speaker 5until your, you know, your blood work will show it a lot earlier. You know? And so I think, I think that's a big, a big part of it that,
48:33Speaker 5like a lot of people don't know how to
48:36Speaker 5how to get their blood work done even, let alone like how right, to read
48:40Speaker 4conversation with the doctor, people, this here's here's the word of the wise, like a good doctor should,
48:45Speaker 4his job is to keep you alive despite yourself.
48:48Speaker 4You should be able to go to the doctor and be like, here's all the terrible things I do to me. He'd go, okay. Yeah. You are you, let's do our best to try to work with me. Right. And judge,
48:59Speaker 4I mean, who cares if they judge you, but as long as they still help you and they still have to help you. Yeah.
49:04Speaker 4So tell your doctors the truth. People ask me that all the time, like, oh, I've been taking a cycle. I got out of my doctor's room. I'm like, tell him.
49:11Speaker 4Jesus. Just tell him. Yeah. There's more doctors too. If he hates you for some reason,
49:15Speaker 2find another doctor, and he's not a good he's not a good person anyway. Yeah. But And someone that knows you're talking about because your situation Yeah. I'm telling you, like, that high of testosterone and not low of free testosterone? Yeah. Don't even know if I've ever heard it like that. Which is good, like, you're saying, like, a good doctor, like, I've got a good lady that she knows
49:33Speaker 5all this stuff and she's like, yeah, we're not worried about that number. We're looking at the other numbers. Yeah, that's cool. And then you look at the other side effects too, because if are too high, it'll show up in your hematocrit and your hemoglobin and your other stuff. Know what to run and stuff. I think doctors even are coming around because they're gonna get lost in the dust because peptides will
49:52Speaker 2leave your business not doing too well because there it's an easy way out. Like, people would rather
49:58Speaker 4oh, I don't wanna do it, then they do it once. They're like, oh, that was easy. Yep. Let's try some more. Yep. Yeah. And it's chilly with the way it goes. Yeah. So what are you taking right now? I wanna kinda go around the table too. JD, I'm gonna ask you next. I'm gonna go with me. I'll People always wanna ask, why are you taking bread now? And it and it yeah. I'm dropping my post tomorrow. I recorded it today. I know. I got it written down. Alright. So
50:19Speaker 5about my thyroid?
50:20Speaker 4So t 3 or do you think t 3 and t 4?
50:23Speaker 5No. So I'm probably gonna switch to synthetic t 3 and t 4, but, I've been so far just doing naturally desiccated thyroid. Okay. And the problem with that like, it's good because it's just pig thyroid that they dry out and put it in a in a pill, but it can be very,
50:40Speaker 5inconsistent
50:41Speaker 5Okay. In, like, the levels of t 4 and t 3. And so, like, I got a batch where I was, like, starting to fall asleep again, like, just a month ago. I was like, something's wrong. So I ordered a I had him get send me a new refill, and it was, like, now I'm back to normal. Was if I go synthetic, it'll it'll always be exactly the same. Okay. So I'm probably gonna but most doctors will only put you on t 4, and if you've got an issue, you can't convert this. Right. It doesn't freeze. Not a point. Ours is like building material. Right. Make it be too afraid. So
51:08Speaker 4Good for you. You know your stuff. Alright. Studies.
51:11Speaker 0Yeah. I got that.
51:13Speaker 2Good.
51:16Speaker 5So I'm on, the hundred 80 testosterone
51:19Speaker 5TRT. 7 8?
51:21Speaker 5Yep. Did you do any toil? Twice a week? No. I was doing every every day. Right now I'm doing every other day because some people say that SHPG goes down if you do it every other day. I haven't noticed that yet, so I'm probably gonna go back to every day. Okay. I think the best
51:34Speaker 4I think the best way to do it is every day. Yeah. That is the 100%, even if long answer like sipping aid. You can use Probinate too, bro. Probinate might help too, don't you think? Yeah. If we're talking with everything. You're doing every day. I think it helps with my understanding. Yeah,
51:48Speaker 5that makes sense.
51:50Speaker 4Yeah. I don't really, I don't know exactly what the mechanism that makes
51:55Speaker 4SHBG
51:57Speaker 4turn into ace or BSHBG.
51:58Speaker 4I don't really But
52:01Speaker 4every day I would try, I would try, try a test route. I've tried prior- That's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Because I switched from Syptin to Pro more recently. Uh-huh. I've I've been, like I mean, I like that. If we're talking, like, I will always choose a fast Ester over a slow Ester because of the side effects. Right? It's like this Right. The long Ester's, they're they're building it's gonna build up in there. Yeah. Compound. And even though it's a long ester, like, you still get big peaks and troughs if you're injecting, like, once or twice a week. Yeah. Sure. Even though it's a long ester. Even though it's a ester. That's why you're having this. Absolutely. And that's even a long ester daily is the better way to go. Yeah. But it could be even better with prop. And it's so easy. I still I use an insulin syringe. Yeah. And it takes a little bit to get in there, but you just push and it goes into the muscle. Like, you it's it's not and like It takes a while. You can use a 27 gauge, which I've switched to, which I don't know how I didn't catch up to that for this long, but it's a little bit longer. It's like a shorter pin. Yeah. Pulls it out really quickly. Yeah. Or you just backfill it. You can backfill it. Or the Lure Locks. Just
52:59Speaker 4pop it down. That too. You front fill it with the Lure Lock. Yeah. But can you get a Lure Lock insulin? I've never seen, like, a 31 gauge. Yeah. I've I've got 30 30 gauge.
53:08Speaker 5Wow. It might be 29, but I think it's 30. Okay. And and yeah. So you you you pull it with the with the 24 or the 26, and then you just swap it out. Yeah. But with a real insulin 1, you know, you just can pull the plunger out the back, draw with a big needle and just- When you do that, how do you not, when you, when you put the plunger back here and it squirts out the front. You just go, okay, you hold it. Not here. You just cover the hole. All right. We're not pushing the plunger in yet.
53:31Speaker 5Wait Okay. Till watch the oil come down. Oh, yeah. Okay. And push it up. Got it. Okay. I tried backfilling once and it's all super good. I was like, how do people do this? Take your time, bro. Yeah. I've done this for a long time.
53:43Speaker 2So you got 180 mgs. What else? Yep.
53:47Speaker 5I just started
53:50Speaker 5GHK-two
53:51Speaker 5IUs.
53:52Speaker 2Boom. Nice.
53:54Speaker 5Tadalafil 5 mg every day. Good for you. Boom. Boom. That's helped out with just Blood flow. Vascularity,
54:01Speaker 5blood flow, just bumps in the gym. Little bit of
54:05Speaker 5blood pressure too. Noticed, like, my blood pressure went down, like, 2 or 3 points. Okay.
54:10Speaker 5Right now, I'm doing tamoxifen.
54:12Speaker 5It's a Serm Yep. Well just for for the gyno. Because when I when I started on TRT, my e 2 spiked and I started getting puffy painful nipples.
54:20Speaker 4So I started the tamoxifen. I'm probably gonna stop that. As a per and and you're replacing the instead of the, Aromasin?
54:27Speaker 4Amoxifen is Novadex, everybody. Yeah. Novadex.
54:30Speaker 4Okay.
54:31Speaker 0So you're talking about both them? Yeah. The
54:34Speaker 5the,
54:35Speaker 5the Aromacin, I'm doing 6.25
54:37Speaker 5mg
54:38Speaker 5once a week. Mhmm.
54:40Speaker 4They come in 25 mg usually a pill. Yeah. And I contacted
54:44Speaker 5every pharmacy I could and said, can you please compound a 5 mg for me? And they were like, nope. I was like, the pills are so small. I'm using my cutter. It's like, I it's it's like a grain of sand that that you know, when I 0.25 this thing, it's like, how am I
54:59Speaker 5but you gotta do what you gotta do. Mhmm.
55:02Speaker 3That's right.
55:03Speaker 5And then I'll cycle I'll I'll go on and off, Retta if I'm, needing to do a little cut. Yeah.
55:12Speaker 5Right now, I'm doing HCG every couple of days.
55:16Speaker 5There
55:17Speaker 5that
55:19Speaker 51 is just because
55:22Speaker 5I get it. When you go on TRT for the 1st time and you see that shrinkage and you're like, oh, man. Like, there's there's no reason other than, like, just my own mentality of like
55:32Speaker 2Yeah. I don't want to be racist. I don't want that to happen so I take thousand IUs money.
55:37Speaker 2I know my wife and I I have no kids, and I'm still taking it. Yep. Yeah.
55:41Speaker 0Yeah. Yeah.
55:44Speaker 5So those are the, those are the ones that I'm on
55:47Speaker 5right now at the moment.
55:51Speaker 5Nice. I tried the Selank and the Semax,
55:54Speaker 5really good when it was, like, when I was taking it for the 1st, like, week. Yeah. Then I noticed the effects just went away after the 1st week, and then when I went off, it was like a little bit of a dip. Nah. So I was like, I don't really
56:05Speaker 2I don't really Worth it. Yeah. That Wanna go through that dip afterwards. You're young too.
56:10Speaker 2I'm 49.
56:11Speaker 2So, like, you that's, you know, you don't need to take a whole lot. You look great, dude. I mean, you look the best shape I've ever seen here. You look ripped, bro.
56:18Speaker 5Yeah. I'm in the best shape I've ever been.
56:20Speaker 5And also, this is like, you know, what we were talking about earlier. People always say like, oh, it must be nice. Like, oh, it's the it's the testosterone. I was like, no. I got the pictures to prove. I was 10% body fat, ripped, shredded. Yeah. You could see the veins in my abs before I ever started TRT. Yeah. Like, it's it's you know, I I put in 5 years of work before I started that, and I I really don't look much different than I did 6 months ago. Is it uneducated?
56:43Speaker 2Yes. Yes. I see. Yeah. Alright, JD, what are you taking? Yeah. So I actually recorded a post today. I'm dropping it tomorrow morning for the channel. So I, I believe it or not, I got 180 minutes, which I switched to propionate. Yep. HCG,
56:56Speaker 2for sure. Thousand, I use Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I am taking 2 IUs of somatropin,
57:02Speaker 2HGH, and that will probably never change just looking my my my, TRT.
57:06Speaker 2Now,
57:07Speaker 4something different from- You got before bed? In the morning. In the morning. 1st thing in the morning. Really? Yep. Why not before bed? Fasting. Because you wanna, like at night, you it'll tell your body that it did not make any of its own. So at night, right before you go to sleep, that's our biggest pulse. Yeah. So if you dose yourself up with growth right before that big pulse, your body will go, well, look how much I have. Let's let's slow that pulse down.
57:29Speaker 5So when you take it in the morning, how long do you wait before eating?
57:32Speaker 4The big thing is do it fasted and then wait 0.5 hour. Okay. Wait. The biggest part is, though, doing it doing it faster. Yeah. It's not waiting after after being fastened. Like Yeah. So after maybe 30 minutes after the injection, then go ahead and eat. Okay. But,
57:48Speaker 4yeah, I would do it 1st thing in morning. That way you get the nightly pulse. You get the great nightly pulse. The morning the, like, the
57:55Speaker 4midday pulses are, like, word plus. Yeah. So that's the time to supplement with it. Got it. Unless you are a person, so you'll read on online
58:03Speaker 4clinical people who are massively deficient in HGH, right, are not having that nightly pulse. Yeah. So the doctors will prescribe it at night because that's what the natural. Right? That's what our bat and body is used to, and that's what our body wants. Yeah.
58:16Speaker 4But if you are not,
58:18Speaker 0then
58:19Speaker 2porting is better. Got it. Makes sense. So so what you're hoping, I am taking Tesofensine,
58:23Speaker 2which is different for me. I love it at 1st. I hated it. I thought I did at least. Tesofensine
58:28Speaker 2is gonna generally like, people will say it rivals Retta with appetite control. I don't get any of that. I don't know why.
58:35Speaker 2I don't really notice anything different in blocking my appetite.
58:39Speaker 2What I get, and I like it is I just feel just gives me a ton of energy. I take a run. Wake up, and I just I love it. So for me, it's been working great.
58:48Speaker 2I take, before I lift, IGF-1LR-three.
58:52Speaker 2K. And that has been really good. Thymosin Alpha-one.
58:57Speaker 2I'm taking Thymosin Alpha-one.
59:00Speaker 2And let's see.
59:02Speaker 2I take a ton of Wolverine,
59:04Speaker 2like a ton. My shoulders- You got me. Yeah. We do it. And like, I've been doing this yoga scope stuff with my wife, which I love it because we get a hang and it's just killing my shoulders. Yeah. I'm taking a ton of that and like back, I've had back surgery, so I'd take a ton of her back. So,
59:19Speaker 2that and,
59:21Speaker 2did I say HCG? Yes.
59:24Speaker 2And I think that is it
59:28Speaker 2for now.
59:29Speaker 4I think that's what I'm taking right now. Sound nice. All right. I have started so I'm in a unique position in my life where it's we are
59:38Speaker 4potentially looking to have a baby. So I'm prepping myself.
59:42Speaker 4So I've I mean, I honestly, I haven't done any testosterone at all in the last 3 weeks. Wow.
59:48Speaker 4And that was not the plan. Uh-huh. I honestly have just kind of forgot because
59:51Speaker 4but the plan was to go down to, like, 50. And I did slowly, like, I did slowly wean myself down.
59:57Speaker 4Or else and there and I think that I still don't feel great. I think the 1st thing that goes is sex drive. Yeah.
1:00:05Speaker 4Biggest for me, especially and I also pulled out my HGH. I was I have been doing 2, I use maybe 3, I use a day,
1:00:13Speaker 4but pulled that out. And I think that with those 2, for sure, now those 2 gone,
1:00:19Speaker 4I see my body not being as forgiving. Yeah.
1:00:23Speaker 4Man. Absolutely.
1:00:24Speaker 4And almost,
1:00:26Speaker 4man, the HGH is, yeah, hate to say like, it's, I think it's mild, right? It's like underwhelming from what people think.
1:00:34Speaker 4Until you just, until you do it. And then I guess the more I do it, the more I really appreciate it. Yeah. Just the nutrient partitioning alone is, yeah. Like there's doing, it's doing a whole bunch of other things. So anyway, I pulled those because
1:00:46Speaker 4I was told that that's probably give me the best chance to be fertile.
1:00:51Speaker 4So do those, I take BPC, KPV,
1:00:54Speaker 4like
1:00:55Speaker 4think, what do I a milligram each daily
1:00:58Speaker 4for
1:00:59Speaker 4my I've been reading a lot of KPV recently and just like, Hey, in case I've never had gut problems, but like, Hey, if our gut works
1:01:05Speaker 4better,
1:01:06Speaker 4it's a 2nd brand, everything else will work better. And then I take HCG 1500
1:01:10Speaker 4IUs 3 days a week. Yep. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And I take HMG.
1:01:14Speaker 4Oh, shit. I was ask you if you're positive. Yeah.
1:01:17Speaker 025 IUs 3 days a week. Okay.
1:01:20Speaker 4Which, you know, I've had dosage recommendations
1:01:23Speaker 4between 75,
1:01:24Speaker 41 bottle, 75 I use. So I've had, you know, people tell me a lot of the research I've looked up is 75. Use 3 to 3. That gets expensive. Although luckily I know a guy And
1:01:35Speaker 4That was nice. Expensive. Actually, 1 of my 1 of my friends who's who
1:01:41Speaker 4owns a giant,
1:01:42Speaker 4peptide manufacturing lab just gave me a bunch of kits. He'd be heard of it. Was
1:01:47Speaker 4looking to make a baby. He's like, here dude, here's my protocol. He's like, I have to train bodybuilders my whole life, and,
1:01:53Speaker 4and here it is,
1:01:55Speaker 4and just send me a bunch of free stuff. That was nice. Good to have That was was awesome. And
1:01:59Speaker 4Enclomiphene,
1:02:00Speaker 525 mgs a day. Dude, that's like the holy trinity, those 3 for Yeah. Yep. For good swimmers. It works, man. It is.
1:02:07Speaker 4Capergoline,
1:02:09Speaker 4I think, like, a milligram a week. Why? I don't know. Kind of for fun. Like, it capergoline's
1:02:13Speaker 4interesting. What does it do? So it is usually people know about it. It kills prolactin. Mhmm. So a person's saying Tren or Deca. Deca. Those do not aromatize in estrogen, but they aromatize into female hormone prolactin.
1:02:26Speaker 4Yeah. So it kills that off, but it also
1:02:30Speaker 4reduces
1:02:31Speaker 4the time between, like, ejaculations for a man. Okay. Like
1:02:36Speaker 4Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because the prolactin spike right after yeah. Yeah. So it just kills that off. It also well, makes you a little bit horny. It will
1:02:44Speaker 4it is a cocaine
1:02:45Speaker 4and this are in the same classification. So if you need to start cocaine to kill all your prolactin off too. But
1:02:51Speaker 4it's,
1:02:52Speaker 4I forget the,
1:02:54Speaker 4damn, I forget the name of it, but a lot of, they give it to
1:02:58Speaker 4kidney patients, cancer patients who who are undergoing chemo
1:03:02Speaker 4Okay. To kinda help with their mood. Yeah. But I don't know. I take it, like, once 1 mg a week. It doesn't really do much, and I take Tesofensine.
1:03:09Speaker 5So you haven't noticed that that has offset any of the lack of drive from shutting that from take from getting rid of the testosterone. That is what I think I'm taking it for. I've noticed that it has helped a little bit. Yeah. So that's You're only 3 weeks in, though,
1:03:21Speaker 4Yeah. But I've been doing, like, 50 mg for 6
1:03:25Speaker 0weeks. Yeah. That's like nothing. Nothing. That's nothing.
1:03:28Speaker 4And
1:03:29Speaker 4then I take Tesofensine. Tesofensine is cool. He didn't like it being it's a it is basically like a triple antidepressant
1:03:37Speaker 4re reuptake inhibitor for serotonin reuptake inhibitor, dopamine reuptake inhibitor, and a norepinephrine
1:03:44Speaker 4reuptake inhibitor. You don't see that 1 very often. This is Wellbutrin.
1:03:48Speaker 4This is Zoloft,
1:03:50Speaker 4but the norepinephrine
1:03:51Speaker 4makes you really happy, well, happy and energized.
1:03:55Speaker 4So does dopamine, not so much though. Serotonin is happy and calm,
1:03:59Speaker 4but it's
1:04:01Speaker 4not directly taking just those 3. It would not be the same thing as taking those 3, but it gives you more energy and why it helps reduce cravings. I noticed that, not that I don't want to eat food, but
1:04:11Speaker 4it makes your brain satiated.
1:04:13Speaker 4So you're not looking for a pleasure spike through
1:04:17Speaker 4food. Yeah. That makes sense. Probably not looking for a pleasure spike through anything. I
1:04:23Speaker 4could see how that potentially could hurt a person's sex drive. Sure. You know, it's just like, oh, I'm kinda content. They say the same thing with people who eat like a whole bunch of chocolate every night. Like look at their sex lives. They're not as good. That's what they're getting for their pleasure. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. So
1:04:39Speaker 4that's it. That's what I'm thinking right now, which is not I've I've cut out a lot, but I usually would love
1:04:44Speaker 4I mean, when I have an injury, I did in my shoulder. I blast the BPC-80p,
1:04:49Speaker 4and it's on my side. I've healed so many different things on my body. Yeah. Because I've been a wreck at times. I was golfing a couple months ago, and
1:04:55Speaker 5I'm not good at golfing. And I pivoted off of my heel instead of my toe, and I just tweaked my knee. For the next couple days, it hurts so bad. I started I did the Wolverine stack for, like, 10 days.
1:05:08Speaker 5Pain is gone. Yeah. That's-
1:05:10Speaker 4And you gotta do it hard. So here's what I noticed. I got an actual acute injury like that, you better get after it and do a decent amount and daily instead of kind of 0.5 assing the treatment and being like, oh, every other day, oh, I remembered 3 days ago, it's not gonna do much. Nope. Yeah. You do it right now. Just get it get after it and put it right in there and consistently.
1:05:28Speaker 2I took massive mass doses after my back surgery, like, where I was, like, even after a year ago? Shit. Yeah. And, it was a lot, and it it expedited and cut it in 0.5. Is there, sorry, I have another question. Is there any other,
1:05:41Speaker 4any other like physical wellness
1:05:43Speaker 4treatments or anything else that you do in your life
1:05:47Speaker 4that
1:05:48Speaker 4have added to your success or your physical journey,
1:05:51Speaker 4like cold, like cold plunges or anything else like that that you,
1:05:56Speaker 4that help you in your daily life, like kind of a life hacks to make you a better person? Yeah. Honestly,
1:06:01Speaker 5the sun. Yeah. So you guys, you guys get enough, you guys get enough sun here.
1:06:06Speaker 5I'm in Phoenix, so I get, you know, I've got plenty of sun there. But right now, we're, redoing our backyard. And so every morning, we've got we've got people back there jackhammering
1:06:17Speaker 5and doing stuff. And so for the last, like, 2 months, I haven't been able to go out and get my morning sun. Mhmm. Sunlight in my eyes in the morning and get that, you know, vitamin D. Yeah. Shoot. And it affects
1:06:28Speaker 5me, man. It's like the dopamine is a lot lower. The energy throughout the day is a lot lower. It feel like you you feel like you crave the sun and, like, the the weekends when they're not there and I get to God, it's just like, oh, like, finally, I get like, I feel like Superman, you know, just, like, is soaking up the energy from the sun. You know? Not used as bad as much as people should. Yeah.
1:06:46Speaker 2I, I've gone through a lot of sleep stuff recently and,
1:06:50Speaker 2when when I started this company, when I was doing the fitness stuff, I was at my house and I had all these procedures that I did. I would do that grounding outside. I'd pray and meditate in the sun, and I didn't know even how big of a deal that was even at the time until recently.
1:07:02Speaker 2So I've been doing that again. Yeah. Grounding,
1:07:05Speaker 2I'll pray with my feet on the ground and I sit there at the sun. And then right after that, I go jump in a cold shower and shock my system because I don't want to, And, I make myself because I've been trying to like reboot some of my disciplines and it's really freaking work and
1:07:21Speaker 2multiple reasons, but man, I've been sleeping like a freaking baby dude. Now they say it reboots your circadian rhythm. Yeah.
1:07:28Speaker 2I don't know if it's coincidence. I've definitely changed my protocol, but man,
1:07:33Speaker 2that stuff is it works, man. Yeah. You're connecting to the earth, you're connecting to God, the universe, however 1 wants to say it, but, that stuff really works really well, dude. Deep breaths, the huge, huge deep breaths. And I hold the 30th 1 in for as long as I can.
1:07:48Speaker 2Kind of like whim popping Yeah.
1:07:50Speaker 2Little bit. I don't do it as long, but, shoot, this stuff works, dude. It really does, man. I'm happy to get kind of back to that stuff because I did it for so long and you know, we have a sauna here. We have a cold plunge coming here soon. We're going to get a red light and just try to just- I just started red light. It's huge, man. That stuff is huge. Yeah. Like we can age well, we say it all the time. That's why we wouldn't have you have you on, you know, you were in town and, you know, you're, you're such a,
1:08:13Speaker 2a financial guy, but I know that you're deep into peptides it. I know you're studied on it and, you have a cool story from going from
1:08:21Speaker 2being a big dude into super ripped dude.
1:08:23Speaker 2I wanted to kind of tip on that stuff, but we love you, man. We we have enjoyed having you here. Joe and I just did 2 back to back podcasts, so we've been on a podcast for a while to,
1:08:33Speaker 2now we're gonna go both hang out with our families. But, we love you, man. We appreciate you being here. Where can people find you?
1:08:39Speaker 5YouTube, Heresy Financial.
1:08:42Speaker 5Heresy is an old religious word. It means an opinion that is at odds with what is generally accepted.
1:08:47Speaker 5And,
1:08:48Speaker 5old school heretics,
1:08:50Speaker 5were just preaching the truth to, power, like Galileo saying the earth goes around the sun, not the other way around, and he was labeled a heretic for it. And I think he was put to death for it, but it turns out he was right. And so a lot of times people who are called heretics
1:09:03Speaker 2are just preaching the truth, and later on, people find out they are right. And so heresy financial is where you can find me pretty much anywhere. Anybody that, wants some financial stuff, I'll tell you, man, Joe knows his stuff. He's a good friend of mine. He's been a big, big vital part of me and my life and, the trajectory of
1:09:19Speaker 2entrepreneurship,
1:09:21Speaker 2helped my social media channel grow. And, check him out. He knows a lot about a lot, and, we've enjoyed having him. Other than that, we, we,
1:09:30Speaker 4we'll catch you guys on the next round. I got a baseball game to go to. My, River is playing in the tournament of champions. They won this little league. So right now I know. My wife's texting me too. We're all of our likes. Missed it or whatever. Babe.
1:09:43Speaker 2Babe. Babe. Babe. Babe. We're all getting bass. So we appreciate you guys. We'll be doing the q and a next.
1:09:48Speaker 2Catch you soon. Alright. Bye. Thank you, guys.