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0:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
0:22Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
0:30Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
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0:54Speaker 4Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Across the way, like always, my good friend, mister William
1:02Speaker 4T. Hoss. What's up? Today,
1:05Speaker 4we got a big we it's a big day. I've been excited. We've been excited about this. Our viewers are have been excited about this because we have been letting them know, but, we have Peter Magic, who is the owner of Janoschik,
1:17Speaker 4which is basically
1:18Speaker 4the most well known testing facility out there. You know, you have some other ones popping up, obviously, but
1:24Speaker 4you've been around forever as long as I've been in this game. I mean, Will and I have talked about your company for a long, long time. You used you, and it's it's exciting
1:32Speaker 4to talk with you. I know you are currently it's like 07:30 your time. You live in Prague, which is in The Czech Republic. So, thank you for
1:40Speaker 4staying up for us and jumping on the podcast. No problem.
1:44Speaker 4So we're excited to have you guys have me. Yeah. We're excited to have you. I know that the
1:51Speaker 4world of peptides
1:52Speaker 4is growing
1:54Speaker 4fast,
1:55Speaker 4but you've been in the game for a very long time off camera. You told us you've been doing this since you were 16. So, Peter, really quickly for the people that don't know who you are, in your own words, tell us who you are, what you do.
2:08Speaker 5Well, Bitmagic and
2:11Speaker 5own Nanosheic Limited,
2:13Speaker 5which is a company,
2:15Speaker 5that's doing analytical chemistry that's basically testing,
2:19Speaker 5mostly hormonal substances.
2:22Speaker 5We started out testing mostly performance enhancing drugs such as anabolic steroids.
2:27Speaker 5And
2:28Speaker 5along with that came the 1st peptides such as the human growth hormone
2:33Speaker 1Mhmm.
2:34Speaker 5Or
2:35Speaker 5related peptides, growth hormone releasing peptides, peptides,
2:38Speaker 5or
2:39Speaker 5Melanotan and similar ones.
2:41Speaker 5Mhmm.
2:42Speaker 5Nowadays nowadays, the peptides actually do make up a majority
2:46Speaker 5of the samples we test,
2:48Speaker 5especially with the advent of GLP ones.
2:51Speaker 5So I believe, at the moment, we're by far the biggest laboratory that does this in the world. We have
2:59Speaker 5over 20,000 square feet of space
3:02Speaker 5and over 40 employees right now.
3:05Speaker 1That's awesome. That's impressive. I have known you guys. I've been doing ever since I've been in this business, and I feel like maybe 12, 15 years or something like that, I've been sending tests into you,
3:16Speaker 1starting with anabolic steroids.
3:20Speaker 1Hey. So you were young, obviously. Look at you.
3:24Speaker 1Tell us how you how you ended up starting this company because you had to have been a young young man. And and what kind of background did you have? And why? And why did you start it?
3:34Speaker 5Well, I had no background in this at all. I was just your regular scrawny kid.
3:40Speaker 5And I figured
3:43Speaker 5if I want to get popular with the ladies, I ought to take a weightlifting or something.
3:48Speaker 5So
3:50Speaker 5given my education,
3:51Speaker 5I had an education at Bilingual English School, like a British school in Slovakia.
3:58Speaker 5I go I was really fluent in English, so I started looking up my information on English message boards.
4:04Speaker 5And, obviously, when you start looking at the Internet forums,
4:08Speaker 5even 15 years ago or long or more,
4:13Speaker 5you get around with people who that
4:15Speaker 5performance enhancing drug use is so pervasive. You will just come around that, and I befriended many people. I'm actually still in contact with many of the people I met more than 15 years ago online Sounds good. When I was just starting out lifting.
4:29Speaker 5And
4:31Speaker 5they all had this issue. Like,
4:34Speaker 5they a lot of them were using this performance enhancing drugs.
4:39Speaker 5Nobody had any idea what sort of stuff is actually
4:44Speaker 5in
4:45Speaker 5the products they're using. They bought something, but they had no guarantees gray or black market even if you're in The UK or Slovakia. Back then, the personal use wasn't criminalized.
4:55Speaker 5Mhmm. It was not a crime to use them.
4:58Speaker 5But
4:59Speaker 5even so, there was no regulation.
5:02Speaker 5There were no testing labs that accepted private customers.
5:05Speaker 5Private. Mhmm. They on they were difficult to deal with. Like, they had only did b to b.
5:11Speaker 5It they took months to deliver results. They were exceedingly expensive.
5:16Speaker 5Mhmm. And
5:17Speaker 5I was talking with my friends, and I had a friend at the university, an incredibly bright young guy.
5:23Speaker 5And I figured, like, man,
5:25Speaker 5the concept of chemical analysis, like, it's not a diff you you see it, you know, you you buy a mineral water,
5:32Speaker 5and you see the label that the results of the chemical analysis.
5:36Speaker 5So even at a high school, as dumb as I was, I could figure out that it's something that's actually doable. So
5:42Speaker 5I I I investigated this possibility
5:44Speaker 5for my friends
5:46Speaker 5and then for a couple bucks for to cover the costs and a couple of beers on top of that. We tried that and it worked. So
5:57Speaker 5then another friend hit me up of like, hey. Could you do this for me as well? Like, the 1 friend was sub from Serbia.
6:04Speaker 5Another friend was from The US. 1 1st from UK.
6:08Speaker 5So and they started hitting me like, could you do this for me?
6:12Speaker 5Yielded quite a lot of beers.
6:14Speaker 5And
6:15Speaker 5then that
6:17Speaker 5then the friends of them started asking me to do that. Then in a little while,
6:22Speaker 5people I've never heard of started asking me to stuff for them. And I were like, hey. Hey, guys. Stop. Okay. I'm
6:28Speaker 5I like this is fun, but I had no charity. This is taking out so much of my time. The logistics of international
6:36Speaker 5mail and everything, they're they're rather difficult, so I'm not doing it for
6:40Speaker 5anymore. So
6:42Speaker 5I took it commercial within a span of roughly a year or so. And
6:50Speaker 5at the start, at the beginning, we were still doing it with
6:54Speaker 5with my friend at the university lab.
6:57Speaker 5But
6:58Speaker 5later on, I saved up the money
7:01Speaker 5and
7:02Speaker 5bought my own 1st HPLC,
7:04Speaker 5the machine used to analyze this. Yeah.
7:07Speaker 5This compound's the basic 1.
7:10Speaker 5So for a while, I was living in a dorm room,
7:14Speaker 5and next to my head, you had this HPLC,
7:17Speaker 5and it was an ancient old 1 because it had to be cheap. I was poor. I was poor. Didn't
7:22Speaker 5have enough money for food and
7:24Speaker 5because I was spending it to get high purity chemicals to run the the analysis.
7:28Speaker 5And
7:30Speaker 5right now, when you have the HPLC,
7:32Speaker 5it's basically it has a pump that's pumping liquid through stuff.
7:36Speaker 5And right now, you have these pumps that are doing like
7:40Speaker 5but no. The ancient 1 was already 20 years old
7:44Speaker 5when I had it, and it just went it had these pumping heads, huge ones like my fist, and it just went
7:54Speaker 5Yeah. And it was it it took a long time. Like, the older the HPLC, the lower the the worse it is, the longer it takes to analyze stuff. Sure. Yeah. Right. So I had so I so I had this stuff running for 40 hours straight
8:09Speaker 5next to my head at the dorm. I
8:12Speaker 5still remember to this day when my
8:15Speaker 5not from my room, but the next room, the next door, the guy, a lawyer,
8:20Speaker 5he he he just asked me if I'm ever gonna turn it off.
8:24Speaker 5And I
8:25Speaker 5looked at him with this huge circus the dark circus under my eyes, and I told him I cannot for the next 42 hours
8:32Speaker 5because
8:33Speaker 5there's a huge backlog of analysis. Oh my god. So so so so
8:40Speaker 5the guy, he just let out this tear of sadness
8:43Speaker 5and went to try went went back to his bed to try to sleep, but
8:48Speaker 5it didn't really work. We're we're still friends to this day, but he really he really regretted living next next door Oh my god. Back then.
8:57Speaker 4That's a good That's amazing. Story. That's a rad story. That that is rad story. Good for you, man. So it basically was completely organic,
9:05Speaker 4and that's how you started. How rad is that? That is amazing. We never did any marketing. We always I just
9:11Speaker 5had them I had my report with my contact contact information,
9:15Speaker 5and I never did any sort of marketing or paid,
9:19Speaker 5you know, like, on anabolic steroid forums. It was rather common to pay
9:24Speaker 5to just be able to be there, but I never did that. It sort of went against my
9:30Speaker 5philosophy
9:31Speaker 5of doing stuff.
9:32Speaker 5Yeah. So it just grew organically over the years. Right. Eventually, I could move out the lab, out of the dorm. That's when I moved that's
9:41Speaker 5when I moved it out of the dorm
9:43Speaker 5in Prague.
9:46Speaker 5I moved it to Slovakia,
9:47Speaker 5my parents' house. They there was a working space in there.
9:52Speaker 5I'm going to pretend it wasn't a kitchen.
9:54Speaker 5And
9:57Speaker 5I had a lab there for a while until I found suitable
10:01Speaker 5suitable space back in Czech Republic,
10:03Speaker 5but I really did want to move the lab out of the dorm.
10:07Speaker 5Mhmm. Because we had this incident,
10:09Speaker 5like, you know, when you were getting delivered
10:11Speaker 5chemicals,
10:12Speaker 5high purity chemicals to your dorm room, like you have industrial trucks delivering new chemicals to a dorm. Right.
10:21Speaker 1Looks a little suspicious. Yeah.
10:23Speaker 5It did raise some suspicions.
10:26Speaker 5Sure. And at some point, I had local equivalent of DEA task force. Oh. Knock on my door at 4AM.
10:37Speaker 5Given I was given given I was living alone, I slept like God made me. I just opened the door, like, what the hell? Who is what was what's the doing this at 4AM?
10:47Speaker 5Yeah. And then I had, you know, these guys in baklavas and everything.
10:51Speaker 5Woah. We we we with their guns out and, like, hey. Can how can we come in? I'm like, what what am I gonna if I told you no, I would get out anyway.
11:01Speaker 4Sure.
11:04Speaker 5But, you know, they they always
11:06Speaker 5know, Czechia is like the world's
11:09Speaker 5greatest hub for homemade methamphetamine.
11:12Speaker 5It's like the national spot over here. So they sort of assumed it's that. Right. But, you know, they entered. The chemist, they took a look, and
11:20Speaker 5it's pretty it's pretty easy to tell an analytical chemical lab for manufacturing
11:26Speaker 5some Sure. Anything.
11:27Speaker 5Right. So so that so they just turned around. They were like, oh, so we're we're sorry, man. No problem.
11:35Speaker 5Yeah. We don't want you. The dorm yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the dorm administration was pretty upset about the whole situation.
11:42Speaker 4Yeah. Right.
11:43Speaker 5Like, they woke up the dorm administrator,
11:45Speaker 5and she had to be with them there at 4AM.
11:51Speaker 4Hey. Looking at my Peter, do you mind moving out of the dorm, please? Yeah.
11:55Speaker 1Did they let you stay in the dorm?
11:58Speaker 5Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had the the the they just made it it sort of became a running joke over there. That's awesome. They let me stay over there. I stayed there for a couple more years. I actually met my wife later on in the dorm.
12:11Speaker 4Cool.
12:12Speaker 5That's awesome.
12:14Speaker 1Yeah. But I figured that might be just the right time to move the live out of the room I'm living in over there. Yeah. No doubt. Hey. So that's that's awesome. So and the, basically, the genesis of this whole thing, again, goes back to women and trying to men trying to please women. Right? The whole point of you trying to do start anything was because you wanted to get girls.
12:35Speaker 5Wow. So I was I was like when I when I joined the message boards, I was like 14 or 15. So
12:42Speaker 5that's pretty that's the the that's pretty much nothing that was on mind of. Right. Right. A teenage boy like that. Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah.
12:50Speaker 4So that's cool, man. Thank you. So back then, when you were doing all this and you're you're testing this this these compounds,
12:58Speaker 4were you finding a lot of the compounds
13:01Speaker 4either underdosed
13:03Speaker 4or like a testosterone or like, let's say a trend, ace coming back as testosterone, were you finding a lot of compounds not
13:11Speaker 4being the compounds they were supposed to or at least being greatly underdosed
13:15Speaker 4back then?
13:17Speaker 5It has to then, it's
13:20Speaker 5quite a challenge for my memory at this point. Yep. But I do I of course of course, the market was,
13:27Speaker 5well, I don't know how to put in my lid. The market was pretty shit given there was no option for people to test stuff. Right.
13:34Speaker 5Basically basically, the cheap compounds like testosterone, you had testosterone
13:40Speaker 5250,
13:41Speaker 5and it turned out to be 380
13:44Speaker 5because the more kick it has, the better it has to be. Right? Yeah. Right.
13:48Speaker 5That was that was pretty much the best or the higher down bone on blood on the blood test results. So
13:55Speaker 5that's what people went by. And
13:58Speaker 5oftentimes,
13:59Speaker 5the compounds in the oil were just
14:01Speaker 5random mixtures of stuff. Like, it it looked like someone just found random bags of stuff Jeez. And put it into the oil to make rough concentrations similar to that.
14:11Speaker 5We've even seen,
14:13Speaker 5you know, the trombone. It's known for being orange, which is actually not good because the trend orange means it's degraded already. Mhmm. Regular trombone all ought to look the same as just any other oil. Really? But
14:27Speaker 5we've seen we've seen
14:29Speaker 5a lot of oils that were orange as Tremblon
14:33Speaker 5people thought ought to look,
14:35Speaker 5but that was just because someone baked the oil and then dissolved in it, but they baked it to be orange. You know, there there's a particle kinds of oils that turn orange if you bake them long enough. Oh, wow. So That's interesting. We've seen that. That that was that was that was pretty fun to see.
14:50Speaker 5But, basically basically, it was Wild West. 15 years ago, the market was in a terrible shape. Mhmm. But then then as the as the testing as the testing became widely available,
15:03Speaker 5I
15:03Speaker 5would say that within 5 years, the entire market changed.
15:09Speaker 5It was a lot more difficult for people who are just making pills Yes. Right. That
15:13Speaker 5had random stuff in them. It became
15:16Speaker 5very difficult to justify that after people could test the stuff themselves.
15:21Speaker 4Well, that's awesome because now
15:23Speaker 4it's kind of like deja vu. So now the peptides come into the case and you're kind of at that area now, I would imagine, where it's kind of been the wild wild west, but now with the testing,
15:36Speaker 4you're kind of like back to square 1 to a degree, I would imagine, where you're seeing some of the same type of stuff going on. I mean, are you seeing a lot of stuff come through that's greatly underdosed?
15:49Speaker 5Right
15:50Speaker 5now, the last couple of weeks, we're seeing this interesting phenomenon
15:54Speaker 5that we receive in a lot of vials
15:57Speaker 5that contain no active compound at all. Oh, wow. All all different peptides, whether it's GHK,
16:05Speaker 5BPC,
16:06Speaker 5Sema, Retrite, whatever it is, it's just empty vial. Of course, there's the filler, there's the excipient,
16:13Speaker 5but there's no actual peptide in it. And
16:16Speaker 5there's a whole lot the whole
16:18Speaker 5lot of those
16:20Speaker 5coming in in the last couple of weeks. That's
16:23Speaker 5that's that's the interesting news from the field. But,
16:28Speaker 5of course, we're regularly seeing wrong dose, wrong peptide peptide in the vial,
16:34Speaker 5roughly 1 in 20 or 25 samples. Okay. Turned out to be just completely something different than it ought to be. Okay.
16:42Speaker 4Is there a particular compound
16:44Speaker 4that you would say is
16:47Speaker 4that's happening the most at, or is it just kinda sporadically
16:50Speaker 4all of them to a degree?
16:54Speaker 5Oh, wow. Well, I have to give a honorable mention to bioglutide,
16:58Speaker 5which if you've heard of it, it's completely made up molecule.
17:02Speaker 5We we we still get an inquiry here and there to test it because someone sold it to
17:07Speaker 5someone.
17:09Speaker 5It it always just tests some other GLP 1 or a mixture of them. Right. So that's an honorable mention because I I
17:17Speaker 5I thought that hilarious from the start.
17:21Speaker 5But other than that, it's just
17:24Speaker 5it's just sporadically
17:26Speaker 5this and that. It's it's it's pretty random.
17:29Speaker 5The newer and more the the more rare stuff is, the more it happens, of course. Yep. But
17:37Speaker 5there's no no rule of thumb that 1 could apply as far as I can tell. Because there is probably a rule of thumb if we're talking about hormones like primabolin
17:46Speaker 1and Anovar.
17:47Speaker 1Right? And my guess is those 2,
17:50Speaker 1you see
17:52Speaker 1the most coming in as not them when people think it is.
17:55Speaker 1How about on the hormone side? Not really. No? What do you what do you see there? Not Not really.
18:01Speaker 5While a lot of methanalone
18:03Speaker 5and Oxandre alone Yeah. Primoble and Anavar, they come in
18:08Speaker 5as claimed.
18:10Speaker 5We're not seeing That's good. We're not seeing much different stuff than we're not seeing
18:16Speaker 5a significantly
18:17Speaker 5higher percent of replacements with those, which is quite surprising, to be honest.
18:22Speaker 5There are there are particularities like when there was there was a drop
18:28Speaker 5with
18:29Speaker 5raw powders coming from China when there was no Drosdanolone,
18:33Speaker 5no Yeah. Yeah. Mastron Mastron. Being made. Yeah. So we've seen that replaced with something else a lot. And oftentimes, it was something that was even more expensive than the Drosdanolone itself.
18:44Speaker 5So I assume it was just people desperate to fill orders. Yeah. Not not
18:50Speaker 5Not fancy. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the funny thing with methanol on the primobulin is, you know, those famous
18:57Speaker 5Bayer, primobolins, these amps,
19:00Speaker 5they're probably the most faked anabolic steroid in the world. Yeah. Like, if we receive if we receive the Remobolans vial or Remobolans ampule Yeah.
19:10Speaker 5The the it's, like, over 90% chance that it's contained in nothing but beer oil. Oh, wow. Like, 90 percent. What's b a or b b. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
19:21Speaker 5and and they're made perfectly. Like, it's it's it's it's knee impossible to tell them from originals. Sure. Oftentimes, they're really perfect mate. They they just contain nothing whatsoever.
19:32Speaker 1China's got good at these deals. Yeah.
19:34Speaker 5What's the theory? Yeah. Yeah. I I have the theory that if someone managed to get as good at faking the labels, the ampules,
19:42Speaker 5and
19:43Speaker 5the boxes,
19:45Speaker 5they figure if they get caught,
19:47Speaker 5the the worst case, they got
19:50Speaker 5they got sued for trademark infringement or something like that, and they don't get sued for
19:56Speaker 5unlawful possession and manufacture of anabolics.
19:59Speaker 5So they figured it's just risk management for them or something. But that's just my theory. This is 1 theory of mine.
20:05Speaker 1Right. Why invest all of your money into making the fake packaging when you could invest all your money into remaking
20:11Speaker 1the actual substance, but the actual substance is more risky?
20:15Speaker 5Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Hard to do. So
20:18Speaker 5you'll you'll have a much better chance of running into a real methanol
20:23Speaker 5in a dirty in a dirty, oily, 10 milliliter vial
20:28Speaker 5than
20:29Speaker 5in the fancy ampoules.
20:31Speaker 5Oh, wow. In a in a in a very real looking boxes. Of course. That's been our experience
20:37Speaker 5regarding that. Are you, would you say that,
20:40Speaker 4America is where you get the majority of your
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21:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay. Big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
21:23Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
21:31Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
21:33Speaker 2Want it back? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Do your business, or is it is can you answer that even,
21:49Speaker 4or is it just pretty much just all over? I know that you do test probably everywhere. So is it America that takes the lead? I do know exactly. Alright.
21:58Speaker 5I we do have a we do have actually a
22:02Speaker 5presentation
22:03Speaker 5online for media because
22:05Speaker 5at some point, we started getting so many media inquiries that I made a presentation for them.
22:11Speaker 5And I made a I made a list by revenue and more roughly 0.667 of my business is coming from US. Yeah. Okay. Pretty good. And roughly 20%
22:22Speaker 5is coming from China.
22:24Speaker 5Yep. So these 2 are obvious because The US, they are the biggest consumer market
22:29Speaker 5economy. They they have the
22:31Speaker 5the economical power of The United States is incomparable with anything else in the world. Yeah. And there's obvious
22:40Speaker 5cultural stuff like performance enhancing drugs,
22:43Speaker 5being thin, living healthy, and stuff like that. That's so much more
22:50Speaker 5culturally
22:51Speaker 5native to The US than, for example, Europe.
22:55Speaker 5So
22:56Speaker 5and, of course, there's this thing especially regarding GLP-1s,
22:59Speaker 5the weight loss peptides. Yeah. Right. It's they're incredibly more expensive in The US compared to everywhere else everywhere else in the world.
23:09Speaker 5So it just makes more sense for people over there to acquire them of the gray and black market.
23:15Speaker 1Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Then China, but 20% of your business comes from China. Is that because a lot of the manufacturing is China, and and who's sending it in is the actual manufacturers
23:26Speaker 5in China? Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. We we we do serve
23:31Speaker 5manufacturers
23:32Speaker 5and warehouses directly in China too. Yeah. Because
23:37Speaker 5their their clients, they don't want their own CERF certificates of analysis Yeah. Because they don't trust them.
23:45Speaker 5A lot of a lot of warehouses
23:47Speaker 5and etcetera, they don't have their own labs in China.
23:50Speaker 5And
23:51Speaker 5they
23:52Speaker 5prefer they like working with us because we have a very fast line of communication with China.
23:58Speaker 5For example, from China, if you decide to have something tested on Monday,
24:02Speaker 5you can you can you might be able to get your results by Wednesday or Thursday. Wow.
24:07Speaker 1That's So
24:08Speaker 5so so it's alright for their production. They can't get the stuff done much faster anywhere else on the in the world. So and
24:16Speaker 5they're used to they're used to working with us.
24:20Speaker 5And, of course, the manufacturers,
24:22Speaker 5they're extremely
24:23Speaker 5high volume customers.
24:25Speaker 5Yeah. So
24:27Speaker 5let's say we have
24:28Speaker 550 huge customers
24:31Speaker 5in China,
24:33Speaker 5and they're making up 20%
24:35Speaker 5of our volume by revenue.
24:38Speaker 5But
24:39Speaker 5in The US, we might have
24:42Speaker 110,000.
24:43Speaker 5I would say 60,000
24:45Speaker 5different clients so far. Mhmm.
24:48Speaker 5So it's
24:49Speaker 5it's spread through
24:51Speaker 4many more people. Yeah. Or companies in The US. For sure. How important do you think the purity percentage
24:59Speaker 4really matters? Like, for example,
25:01Speaker 4if you test a compound and you, how important is it coming back at 99%
25:06Speaker 4compared
25:07Speaker 4to say like a 95%?
25:09Speaker 4Is that something that actually really matters? Especially in peptides,
25:13Speaker 4everybody wants 99%,
25:14Speaker 4a 100%,
25:16Speaker 4but 1, is that common? And 2, if it's under the well, let's say it comes back at 95, is that actually a big difference from your standpoint?
25:27Speaker 5Well,
25:29Speaker 5if you look at the pharmaceutical standards, for example, for human growth hormone,
25:34Speaker 5you notice that the pharma requirement is 89%
25:37Speaker 5Yeah. Of peptide purity. Yep. So
25:41Speaker 5that's an interesting point of view
25:44Speaker 5to the discussion
25:45Speaker 5Sure.
25:46Speaker 5Regarding regarding whether 95 or 99%
25:50Speaker 5is alright,
25:51Speaker 5it's
25:52Speaker 5I don't dare to judge on the judge on that. It's mostly
25:56Speaker 5the customer's decision. They if they want the number,
26:00Speaker 5they're gonna pay to people who attain it. So it's
26:05Speaker 5it's basically the market choice that people vote with their wallets,
26:09Speaker 5and
26:09Speaker 5they choose the highest possible Yeah. Purity.
26:13Speaker 1And this 99 Of course. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead.
26:18Speaker 5Yeah. There's a there's a different
26:20Speaker 5methodology between laboratories.
26:22Speaker 5For example, you have a lot of these small laboratories that
26:26Speaker 5are not don't shy away from outputting a 100%
26:29Speaker 5pure result,
26:31Speaker 5which is physically impossible.
26:34Speaker 5The just the basic laws of thermodynamics
26:37Speaker 5and stuff like that. It doesn't let the sort of result be.
26:43Speaker 5Fossil. And
26:48Speaker 5then,
26:49Speaker 5of course, the purity itself is quite an elusive term
26:54Speaker 5because the purity in the peptide world,
26:57Speaker 5it means something different compared to everyone else. So
27:01Speaker 5that deserves an explanation of its own because what you're seeing in the vial,
27:05Speaker 5it's just sugar. It's mannitol sucrose, which is there
27:09Speaker 5for manufacturing
27:11Speaker 5and longevity purposes.
27:13Speaker 5Like,
27:15Speaker 5it really helps with the drying out the peptide in the vial, to put it simply.
27:20Speaker 4And
27:21Speaker 5the actual peptide is the tiniest pack that's not even visible in there usually.
27:27Speaker 5So
27:29Speaker 5if you
27:30Speaker 5defined purity
27:31Speaker 5as the amount of peptide in total amount of stuff inside the vial, we would get some oftentimes, we would get stuff like 1% or 2% pure. Yeah. Yeah. So
27:42Speaker 5it's not done like that. What is done is really that the purity in
27:47Speaker 5the peptide world means
27:49Speaker 5is the
27:50Speaker 5all peptides that have a common property. All peptides are made of amino acids that are connected with a peptide bond.
27:57Speaker 5And this peptide bond is something you can see when being tested by the HPLC.
28:02Speaker 5And
28:03Speaker 5there is no peptide in the world whether you cannot see it or when you look at the peptide bonds. So basically,
28:09Speaker 5when you're testing and you focus on that region
28:12Speaker 5and you just
28:14Speaker 5test and you get all the peptides that are in the sample
28:18Speaker 5and you just
28:20Speaker 5sum up the number
28:22Speaker 5and then you take out your target peptide, what you're looking for. So if you get arbitrary signal of 100
28:29Speaker 5and your peptide has
28:31Speaker 5signal of 993,
28:34Speaker 5that's basically the peptide purity that's defined. And then you have 7 thousands of signal that is not attributed
28:40Speaker 5to your target peptide. So that's what the purity means. It's just peptide impurities.
28:44Speaker 5Mhmm.
28:45Speaker 5You could you also have a lot of sugar, like the manikol sucrose.
28:50Speaker 5Well, lot, relatively, it's still milligrams
28:54Speaker 5in your sample, but you cannot see it when you're looking at the peptide bond. It's just invisible. It's below
29:00Speaker 5any sort of stuff you can see.
29:03Speaker 5So but that's also not something that's of
29:07Speaker 5interest to anyone. Yeah. So the testing actually works pretty well like this.
29:12Speaker 1Well, that's interesting. That's true. You had a question? I don't okay. I guess I had a specific well,
29:18Speaker 1the other things that people are testing peptides for. Right? So endotoxins,
29:26Speaker 1residual solvents,
29:27Speaker 1heavy metals,
29:29Speaker 1sterility.
29:31Speaker 1Do you mind
29:32Speaker 1here's, I guess, 1 question is how
29:35Speaker 1bad
29:36Speaker 1are these actually?
29:39Speaker 1Is there any way to quantify how bad they are? I don't know if you can really, you know, tell us exactly how bad they are, but and
29:47Speaker 1and how important are those to be tested for in your opinion?
29:51Speaker 1And how important
29:53Speaker 1yeah. What are the ramifications of having those in a bottle?
29:58Speaker 1Wow. It's,
30:00Speaker 5of course, naturally, it would be good for my business to tell everyone how important this testing is.
30:05Speaker 5But in my opinion, most of it is completely useless, and I'm pretty open to people about it. Yeah. For example,
30:12Speaker 5the peptide in peptides, the heavy metals are not involved in the manufacture at all. There's no reason for them to be in there. We've tested, I think, thousands of them already. We haven't had a single positive yet.
30:25Speaker 5They might the day might come, but it had not come yet. Okay.
30:29Speaker 1You also the peptides
30:31Speaker 5are also used in such miniscule amounts.
30:34Speaker 5It's not like it's drinking water or foods. Yeah. So
30:38Speaker 5so if you have some miniscule amount of heavy metals because nowadays,
30:42Speaker 5the testing techniques, the ICPMS
30:45Speaker 5is a testing technique for heavy metals.
30:48Speaker 5And if you measure
30:50Speaker 5anything in the world,
30:52Speaker 5it get it can be sensitive enough to hit to hit positive for all sorts of heavy metals. Sure. You could probably find out uranium in your drinking water. Right. But
31:01Speaker 5it's it's it doesn't mean it's it doesn't mean it's dangerous at those levels.
31:06Speaker 5Mhmm. So
31:08Speaker 5the fact that the the there is a positive hit in something doesn't really mean it's dangerous.
31:14Speaker 5You have to take a look at the levels. And most of the labs, there are many labs I've noticed that
31:21Speaker 5have claims like 60%
31:23Speaker 5of tested peptides contain heavy metals. Right. While
31:27Speaker 5basically every single
31:29Speaker 5everything in this world contains at least some Right. Heavy metals. It's just even distribute some distribution of the of items in the universe. Yeah.
31:39Speaker 5Like that. But
31:42Speaker 5yeah. But the levels are so far from anything. The I could not find a single
31:49Speaker 5publication
31:50Speaker 5or lab result or anything
31:53Speaker 5that would point out to a level that could be even remotely dangerous to any living thing, let alone an adult human. Wow. That is
32:03Speaker 4so scare tactics that some of the other I'm glad that we're talking about this because I think people need to hear it because
32:09Speaker 4people are using that as a sell ploy and all these things. So basically,
32:13Speaker 4another way to put it is people should be worried about things like seed oils and Doritos and sugars a lot more than what they're worried about coming through in peptides. Maybe the only fear you should have is, are you getting it dosed?
32:26Speaker 4Is it the peptide that you ordered? And 2, is it dosed to a degree where it's gonna work for you? Other than that, worry about it.
32:34Speaker 5Right? Yeah, that's exactly like the best value test by far is the identity and the dose, Mhmm. Which is what I always tell tell the people, this is the best value thing you could get. Everything else is
32:45Speaker 5rather optional
32:47Speaker 5because
32:48Speaker 5up until recently
32:51Speaker 5and I I I had the same I I said the same thing about endotoxins.
32:55Speaker 5Okay. That I said about heavy metals. Okay. Again, endotoxins,
32:59Speaker 5the part of a bacterial cell wall,
33:02Speaker 5and they can be a real issue because, for example, when you have peptides such as human growth hormone,
33:09Speaker 5the go to manufacturing method was growing it in E. Coli bacteria.
33:13Speaker 5Because it is so long and so big, it's impossible to manufacture
33:18Speaker 5by a different way other than bioengineering.
33:21Speaker 5And the E coli is a bacteria we know very well. It's the scientist's best friend for decades now.
33:28Speaker 5And you can force it to grow human growth hormone for you, but it's a bacteria that has endotoxin
33:34Speaker 5in its cell wall. So if you don't purify your human growth hormone or anything else you make in this bacteria,
33:41Speaker 5you're gonna end up with a bunch of it in in in your in your product.
33:47Speaker 5So
33:50Speaker 5this is why endotoxin in peptides
33:52Speaker 5was a real worry for a while. But nowadays, all these peptides are made with solid phase synthesis,
33:59Speaker 5which is has absolutely nothing to do with bacteria.
34:04Speaker 5Well, that's So I always thought that testing for endotoxin is pretty moot,
34:09Speaker 5like, not really necessary. But then
34:12Speaker 5a couple weeks or months ago, I don't know, that they just flew flew it fly by. Pretty much. I know what you're We started, yeah, we started getting very
34:20Speaker 5high
34:21Speaker 5results for some of the samples tested. Like, they were severely contaminated
34:25Speaker 5with MHC. Like, not severely enough
34:28Speaker 5to cause issues to another human.
34:30Speaker 5Mhmm. But
34:31Speaker 5the people, they actually did send the samples in for endotoxin because they were getting local reactions like swelling,
34:38Speaker 5itching, pain,
34:40Speaker 5etcetera,
34:40Speaker 5etcetera, which is in line with endotoxin contamination.
34:44Speaker 1And
34:46Speaker 5the results, they seem to confirm their theory.
34:49Speaker 5So I used to say the same thing like, I think the endotoxin is pretty useless. We just started
34:54Speaker 5doing it because the people, they kept asking us to do so despite my pleas to stop. Yeah.
35:02Speaker 5And
35:03Speaker 5to stop giving me their money. I I tried to make them, but I couldn't. And
35:09Speaker 5then recently, it turned out that I was wrong.
35:12Speaker 5Apparently,
35:13Speaker 5it's possible to screw up so hard Yeah. That
35:16Speaker 1I'm that I was wrong about the issue. So what do you think they did? They started using using
35:22Speaker 1creating these peptides using some other method besides
35:25Speaker 1solid phase synthesis?
35:27Speaker 5Yeah. Was there something that No. No. That's definitely there's nothing more economical than a solid phase synthesis. So
35:33Speaker 5when you're looking at stuff like this, you always go by the economics.
35:37Speaker 5And
35:38Speaker 5they're doing solid phase synthesis. I have no doubt about that because of the cheapest and most economical way to do that.
35:44Speaker 5So
35:46Speaker 5I think with with the peptides, NAD plus is a different story that I think is the cheapest to make biosynthetically.
35:54Speaker 5So the endotoxin
35:56Speaker 5contamination might be expected there. But with the GLP-1s,
36:00Speaker 5for example, I think it is just contamination of the manufacturing process. For example, they're using contaminated water or something like that. Oh, right. Makes sense.
36:11Speaker 5We've seen we've seen stuff like
36:14Speaker 5in a Chinese factory that used that paid us to find the trouble.
36:18Speaker 5The Chinese factory had issues with
36:21Speaker 5unknown contaminant showing up in all the samples.
36:24Speaker 5Oh, wow. And it took us a month of investigation
36:29Speaker 5and a lot of money being spent to figure out that
36:33Speaker 5someone was using the wrong detergent to clean the machines. Oh, wow.
36:38Speaker 5And and and this this answer cost
36:42Speaker 5a Chinese factory owner
36:45Speaker 5more than $150,000
36:47Speaker 5to figure out. Holy crap. To give you
36:51Speaker 1an idea about how difficult figuring this stuff can be. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good for the Chinese factory for actually caring and going to figure it out and spending that $150,000.
37:03Speaker 5Well, they had to they had to
37:06Speaker 5you have to take a lot of samples to figure out where
37:09Speaker 5in the process it is getting introduced.
37:12Speaker 5And then you had to narrow it down and narrow it down.
37:15Speaker 5And it included stopping the working lines.
37:18Speaker 5Just that is insane amount of money. Yeah. Right. The sheer amount of samples, I think it was over 100 samples just tested by us to figure out where it is exactly getting introduced and what it might be. Wow. That's awesome. So
37:33Speaker 5so that was that was a pretty difficult Well, that's a good question. Figure out. And we were everyone was really happy when when we found out.
37:40Speaker 5So even the endotoxin, it might be something very nonobvious.
37:45Speaker 5Okay. Yeah. And I I I bet if they could solve it easily, the factory the the factory that had issues with this, if they could solve it easily, they would because, yeah, of course, they're losing insane amount of money by having a product they cannot sell. Of course. And it's causing issues to their own customers.
38:01Speaker 4Yeah. It was just 1 factory that you found? Well,
38:06Speaker 5there is this 1 that I'm aware of, but I have to admit it's
38:10Speaker 5not possible for me to keep track That of many. Yeah. About all the issues we've we've had. We've had our 1st
38:19Speaker 5thousand samples a day day this month. Oh.
38:22Speaker 5We've, like, we we received more than 1000 samples in a day. Wow. And that's the 1st time it happened ever.
38:30Speaker 5And the next week, it happened again and again and again.
38:35Speaker 5So, basically, for the pass mod, I'm just trying to keep just
38:39Speaker 5all the stuff from falling apart Sure. And people from people people from running away Yeah. As fast as they can. Sure. We we get so much mail that
38:49Speaker 5we had to
38:51Speaker 5actually, 1 of my employees, my lab manager,
38:53Speaker 5she kicked me out of my own office because
38:56Speaker 5they need more room
38:58Speaker 5for
38:59Speaker 5or to receive the packages alone. Oh, wow. So I I I had I had to move my office to a different wing of the building.
39:07Speaker 5So I I just came I just came I I just came to my office this Monday,
39:11Speaker 1and there was just a bunch of packages over there and none of my stuff. That's awesome. It's good to be back. Hey. Well and sorry. We contributed about 30 different, samples to that load literally, like, last week. And you got them back to us. Like, I've already gotten I mean, now out of that many samples, I think you guys have already given me about 10, 15 other results. So, shoot,
39:32Speaker 1despite this busyness,
39:34Speaker 1you turn around fast.
39:36Speaker 5Yeah. We we try our best, but it's just sort of fallen falling on my head all the time. We, on top of this workload increasing,
39:44Speaker 5we also get website issues. We are being Oh, of course. We're being DDOs.
39:49Speaker 5We we we not only the regular load, which is high enough.
39:53Speaker 5Someone is someone is consistently
39:56Speaker 5attacking our web site Oh, wow.
39:59Speaker 5With DDoS. Like
40:01Speaker 5yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But
40:03Speaker 5we almost have it handled.
40:06Speaker 5Now we can block all the attacks.
40:08Speaker 1The only issue is that we're blocking, like, 0.5 the customers along with us. So we have leave it out. Yeah, man. That's Jesus. Dude, we have in our business, we've got a few businesses, and, like, we get constantly
40:19Speaker 1what we get is fake
40:21Speaker 1websites getting popped up that are just they steal all of our logos,
40:26Speaker 1and they basically recreate our website. They do a kind of a shabby job, but then they market it, and then, you know, and then our customers accidentally go to that website, buy stuff,
40:35Speaker 1and that money is goodbye. Gone. And then they'll or people will
40:39Speaker 4duplicate my video. They like because I'll do, like, a post of, like, in social media. They'll take that video. Yep. And they'll put their, you know, and then it goes on their website. Website.
40:49Speaker 1People send it to me. Just shoot them. That's me. That's not my company. Or our fake payment addresses. Be like, oh, yeah. They'll they'll create like a a PayPal or Venmo, right, with our logos looks like almost identical.
41:01Speaker 1So we're constantly We feel you. Dealing with that stuff too. No fun.
41:06Speaker 5That sucks. The world we I live mean
41:09Speaker 5I mean, we had to say, we had a couple of websites. Yeah. Like, instead of janoschil.com,
41:14Speaker 5that it was janoschilyeah..com
41:16Speaker 5or something like some on on a different sign.
41:19Speaker 5And we got a but we have the pro we we got good lawyers for that, so we usually can get them shut down within the day. Yeah. Yeah. So we have a team that does that too.
41:30Speaker 1Hey. So back to this so I'm looking at right now a sample of of human growth hormone. Now you did say that that is a long obviously, that's a 191 amino acids in it in it.
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42:00Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
42:08Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
42:16Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
42:18Speaker 2Want it that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Heard. So I'm looking at this test, and it says 96,
42:35Speaker 196.8%,
42:37Speaker 1pure.
42:38Speaker 1With human growth hormone, am I right that you're never really gonna see a 99%
42:44Speaker 1pure, or is there and what's the reason?
42:48Speaker 5Well, the human growth hormone, they can actually now make it in more microorganism
42:53Speaker 5than E. Coli, but the E. Coli is still the cheapest 1. But the fancy like Serrano,
42:58Speaker 5I think,
42:59Speaker 5Cerostim, they can grow it in
43:03Speaker 5some sort of different cell line that doesn't have endotoxin at all. Okay. So they do that because they want to be all fancy and save up on endotoxin
43:11Speaker 5cleanup.
43:12Speaker 5Yeah. But
43:13Speaker 5given it's so big, the
43:15Speaker 5the peptide, the human growing hormone is so big, there's a lot more stuff that can go wrong. Sure.
43:20Speaker 1And the
43:22Speaker 5things going wrong, they call it post translational
43:25Speaker 5modification
43:25Speaker 5oftentimes.
43:27Speaker 5Mhmm.
43:28Speaker 5Which is a fancy word for something that is after
43:31Speaker 5it's been made. So whether it's degradation,
43:35Speaker 5so that can be oxidation and stuff like that. Just
43:39Speaker 5stuff existing,
43:41Speaker 5the thermodynamics,
43:43Speaker 5they screw with that all sorts.
43:45Speaker 5And
43:47Speaker 5and everything degrades in real time. It's impossible to have anything 100%.
43:52Speaker 5Right. Then you have these incredibly
43:55Speaker 5stable substances that don't really degrade, like
43:58Speaker 5a famous 1, particularly famous 1 is gold.
44:01Speaker 5It's so precious because it doesn't degrade. Everything
44:05Speaker 5else does, basically. And
44:07Speaker 5with human growth hormone being so big, there's a lot of places where it can go wrong. So it's really difficult to keep it real up high. We've had we've tested more than 99% human growth hormone.
44:21Speaker 5We did have a standard like that. The
44:24Speaker 5they sell the
44:26Speaker 5European Pharmacopoeia
44:28Speaker 5I don't know how the company is called, EDQM
44:31Speaker 5or Eropium
44:33Speaker 5Directorate for Quality of Medicines.
44:36Speaker 5Pardon. It's
44:38Speaker 5supragovernmental
44:39Speaker 5authority on medicines in Europe
44:41Speaker 5and they sell standards like testing standards for medicines. And they also sell a human growth hormone standard.
44:48Speaker 5And they delivered us delivered it to us on dry ice.
44:53Speaker 5Like, they they they they bring you this box that's minus 50 degrees Celsius.
44:58Speaker 5You open it. You have all this,
45:00Speaker 5Well,
45:01Speaker 5it's not smoke. I don't know. Mist from c o 2 evaporating
45:06Speaker 5from dry ice.
45:08Speaker 5And it was pretty cool, so we just hurried to test it right away. Yeah. And it tested over 99%.
45:16Speaker 5We might even had a sample like that,
45:18Speaker 5but it's definitely it's definitely
45:22Speaker 5a rare occurrence.
45:24Speaker 5Yeah. Like I said earlier, for human growth hormone, the standard is like
45:29Speaker 5the pharmaceutically
45:30Speaker 5permitted 1.
45:31Speaker 1On
45:32Speaker 5manufacture
45:33Speaker 5is 89%
45:35Speaker 5of peptide purity
45:38Speaker 5of the final product. Usually
45:41Speaker 5when we test human growth hormone,
45:43Speaker 5it's between 9296%.
45:47Speaker 5That's what that's what the market standard is. Awesome.
45:50Speaker 1Cool. That's great.
45:52Speaker 4You feel, do you how often do you,
45:55Speaker 4run-in in issues if a company sends you some compounds and they don't come back like they had wished? Do you have to have a department that deals with some angry customers, or is it not really common for them to
46:08Speaker 4to to get If
46:11Speaker 5you had to question your It depends on what they already said. If they Right. If they get angry enough, they rise all to the top to to me.
46:20Speaker 5So so I deal with the cream of the crop.
46:26Speaker 5That's awesome. Just today just today, some company, they sold the Boldenon
46:30Speaker 5instead of dihydro dihydroboldenon
46:33Speaker 5to someone.
46:35Speaker 5And
46:36Speaker 5they had an and the customer that it the they confronted him.
46:40Speaker 5They could they confronted
46:42Speaker 5the vendor with that, with my findings. And
46:45Speaker 5the vendor, they had an AI. You you know how you can tell AI by using the long,
46:51Speaker 5I don't know how they're called, but not the minus. But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
46:56Speaker 5Slash. The long minus sign. Right. Long slashes.
46:59Speaker 5You can tell you can tell by long slashes everywhere.
47:02Speaker 5Mhmm. And
47:07Speaker 5and
47:09Speaker 5they basically had Task AI with
47:12Speaker 5figuring out the to what to tell. And you could oh, we have an ancient equipment that cannot tell Boldenon and Dihedra Boldenon part. Oh, wow. And, of course, I'm also associated with their competition.
47:25Speaker 5I wish I knew who it was. Yeah. Yeah.
47:30Speaker 5And but oftentimes,
47:32Speaker 5I I still deal with the angriest of the customers
47:35Speaker 5mostly because we
47:37Speaker 5also scrub the analytical chemistry in dealing with thousands of samples. Yeah. And the analytical chemistry is just so so difficult thing.
47:47Speaker 5And we we we also have people working,
47:50Speaker 5and people make mistakes.
47:51Speaker 5So if if we suspect we might have screwed up something, I always prefer to review it Sure. To make sure we didn't screw up. Because
48:02Speaker 5well, we do screw up. It's we're just screwing up way less than everybody else.
48:08Speaker 5That
48:10Speaker 5that that's why we are where we are right now. But I still like to keep on top of it. Yeah. So I deal with a lot of stuff with a lot of angry people personally.
48:19Speaker 5It's it's pretty difficult in my mental state, but
48:26Speaker 5I'm pulling through somehow.
48:27Speaker 4Yeah.
48:29Speaker 4As,
48:30Speaker 4you know, Americans,
48:31Speaker 4as I'm sure you know what's going on with some of our regulations and the gray area that we swim within,
48:37Speaker 4as the regulations
48:38Speaker 4start to kind of tighten up
48:41Speaker 4and
48:42Speaker 4research
48:43Speaker 4companies
48:45Speaker 4kind of going up against the like government and 503B and whatnot.
48:49Speaker 4Do you think the tighter regulations are going to actually clean up the industry or kind of destroy access to
48:57Speaker 4Americans with cheaper peptides, as you said? Like America, if you go through a typical
49:02Speaker 4doctor, so to speak,
49:04Speaker 4you're gonna pay 3 times, if not more,
49:07Speaker 4the cost and where people are finding them cheaper is research companies.
49:11Speaker 4Do you think that that's gonna cause a problem with the research companies from your knowledge if you have the knowledge of what's kinda we're dealing with here in America?
49:20Speaker 5Well,
49:21Speaker 5I do have a rather good idea, and I also have a rather good idea of how war on drugs worked out.
49:28Speaker 5So
49:30Speaker 5Great. No doubt. And they can make up a lot yeah. They can make up a lot more convincing reasons
49:36Speaker 5Sure. On war on drugs than on than
49:39Speaker 5war on appetites. Sure.
49:41Speaker 5Especially
49:42Speaker 5when you have so
49:44Speaker 5many people, like, there's probably tens of millions of people at this point who have experience with them in The United States. Lot them. Yeah. They love them. So it it it would be rather difficult to justify criminalizing
49:56Speaker 5all these people. Of course, they can go after research compound chemicals, but
50:01Speaker 5There's so many. Not ostracized. Like yeah. There's so many of them. It's not ostracized like No. Drug deals,
50:07Speaker 5like narcotics.
50:09Speaker 5So I can't really imagine the government suddenly fighting success
50:14Speaker 5in this field when they couldn't in
50:17Speaker 5places where it's politically much more easier to push through. Yeah. But that's just my opinion. Don't like I'm an expert on The US politics. It's just Yeah. What I've gathered from
50:28Speaker 5I've been doing I've been in this field for
50:32Speaker 5most of my life. I've been I I I I've I'm at the point when I've been doing this for
50:38Speaker 5probably longer than I've not been doing this, and I'm including in some time when I was an infant.
50:45Speaker 4I mean, it's I I just crazy how you kinda had the foresight, whether it was
50:50Speaker 4methodical or not for you to see kinda where you're at. I mean, being 16, 17, like you said, and starting this with just some buddies to where you're at now, man, that is a
51:00Speaker 4it is a very cool thing to see, man.
51:03Speaker 4Got a 2 part question for you. 1st off, I'm I'm really curious, and I'm assuming I know the answer, but do you enjoy what you do? I'm I always like to hear that. Number 2,
51:12Speaker 4what is the craziest thing you have ever seen come across your desk?
51:17Speaker 5Wow.
51:19Speaker 5I do thoroughly enjoy doing what I'm doing because
51:23Speaker 5I could have retired years ago. Mhmm. But
51:26Speaker 5I have no idea what else I would do. I mean Right.
51:30Speaker 5This is fun. I like it. I like I like solving through trouble. I mean, it's difficult for me to be happy,
51:38Speaker 5but
51:39Speaker 5I don't I don't enjoy drugs. I don't enjoy drinking. I get always too sick of it.
51:46Speaker 5Yeah.
51:47Speaker 5My my hobbies are taking walks and sports, and you can only do that so so so much through a day. So it's the walk is remaining.
51:56Speaker 5And I really, really love finding about finding new things, finding about new stuff, figuring out how to test the new compound,
52:03Speaker 5finding out more about that Right. Fixing some issue
52:07Speaker 5to a point, like, when 0.5 your lap falls apart in a single day. That's that's not something that can be reasonably enjoyed. Mm-mm.
52:14Speaker 5That's awesome. We when we have days, like, when when we have 6 machines throughout an error, and I have to deal with that. I I don't enjoy that. But
52:24Speaker 5it's still still, you know, you fix the machine, you make something work, you figure out how to
52:30Speaker 5set up the place to receive thousand peptides
52:33Speaker 5in a day.
52:35Speaker 5That's something that's something that's, you know, it's pretty fulfilling. And we get a lot of clients. They are
52:42Speaker 5they're very pleasant to work with. They're very grateful
52:45Speaker 5for what we do for them. And we get we have this label in our email with just the
52:51Speaker 5customer
52:53Speaker 5feedback
52:54Speaker 5where we save the most positive ones.
52:57Speaker 5We even have we have people we have a lot of clients that are sending us small gifts. We get we get
53:04Speaker 5a lot of tiny plastic animals.
53:08Speaker 5I we used we
53:10Speaker 5used to have a client who send us it must have been, like, a 100 kilos of chocolate total. Oh, shit.
53:18Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, it's it's just very enjoyable. I cannot imagine doing anything other than business
53:24Speaker 5and this at this point. Right.
53:27Speaker 1And
53:29Speaker 5what's the craziest stuff that passed my table?
53:32Speaker 5Well, I don't know.
53:34Speaker 5Is your podcast,
53:35Speaker 5available
53:36Speaker 5to people under 18 years old, or am
53:40Speaker 1I free to share? Yeah. You're free to share. It's pretty it's pretty dull. It doesn't matter. You're good, man. Yep. It's a podcast. We're pretty open on it.
53:47Speaker 5Yeah. Well well,
53:49Speaker 5many, many, many years ago, like, in
53:52Speaker 5in the beginning of my career,
53:55Speaker 5still most of the clients were people I knew and I was friends with.
54:00Speaker 5I had a guy who
54:02Speaker 5molded
54:03Speaker 5this giant
54:05Speaker 5plastic penis, and he molded the samples inside of it.
54:09Speaker 5So then I went to pick it up, yeah, in in a in a giant 0.5 a meter long dildo.
54:16Speaker 5And
54:17Speaker 5he just he just put a sample he he had it custom molded and put the had the samples molded inside of it. So
54:25Speaker 5I declared it, you know, how it works with the customs. You have to declare then what it contains. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, man. So I was like, okay. This this this stuff contains,
54:35Speaker 5I think it was 8 or 9 or 10 samples of anabolic steroid oils. Yeah.
54:41Speaker 5He
54:42Speaker 5feed the entire 10 ml inside.
54:44Speaker 5Oh, man. And they're like, the customers are, well, it's not that.
54:49Speaker 5And I'm like, yeah, it's definitely that. I I confirm it with the guy. Well, you better come take a look, mister Magic.
54:56Speaker 5So I came there at the customs,
54:58Speaker 5and you have this bunch of customs officers.
55:03Speaker 5That's
55:04Speaker 5hilarious. All red in face waiting for me.
55:08Speaker 5Open it rip out the giant dildo. Oh, man. They they just whip it out
55:13Speaker 5and place it on the table. And they're like, this is not what you declared, mister White.
55:19Speaker 5So This is not terrible. And like This is a penis. I I I yeah. Yeah. I I I took I took a look at it. I mean,
55:28Speaker 5it was it was a pretty weird situation to find myself in. And I I just moved it around a little bit. Oh, man. And I could feel, you know, that inside the plastic, inside the rubber,
55:38Speaker 5there there is a stuff moving. So I just told them, yeah. Hey. Can you touch this? Can you shield it up? Oh, man. That is too funny. Definitely that definitely Definitely.
55:49Speaker 4It definitely fits the craziness. And I was
55:51Speaker 5yeah. And I was I was standing with a straight face to a customs officer,
55:55Speaker 5some sort of a major or something like that. Like, here, please, do grab this dildo thoroughly and tell me what you think.
56:06Speaker 5Yeah.
56:07Speaker 5They they they they could feel the vials, so they just took up a knife and they opened it up and were like,
56:12Speaker 5well, I guess I guess you were right. It's just the packaging was a bit unconventional,
56:17Speaker 5mister Magic.
56:18Speaker 5We apologize about the inconvenience.
56:21Speaker 1Oh, man. Did he say why he did that? I know. Did he did that because he thought he was trying to smuggle the steroids in. Right? Like, essentially, he thought that it would be
56:30Speaker 1the customs wouldn't like him sending the steroids to you. Is that correct? Or did he just do this as a fun? It was,
56:37Speaker 5yeah, it was 0.5 bad and 0.5 for 0.5 to just fuck with me. Oh my god. That's right. That's funny. We we were Good for him. We were really great. Yeah. He was he was he was a great friend. Okay. It was it was pretty hilarious. I like I liked his humor. I'll just say, I can find the humor in that. If if my buddy did that, I would say, yeah. Was funny. Would say, you got me, bro. Like, hey, you won that round.
56:59Speaker 5Yeah. He definitely did.
57:01Speaker 1Well,
57:02Speaker 1shoot. Peter, 1st of all, guess I do have 1 more question. We're running out of time, but I do dude, I love your, like, down to earth, like, logic in all of your answers. Like, thank you. It's actually really nice to hear somebody just break things down and, well, look at the economics.
57:19Speaker 4This
57:20Speaker 1is the right this is why I think people do things. Anyway, I wanted to make that observation. But 2 is how come
57:27Speaker 1you have not if if receiving all these packages and customs is such a pain in the ass, how come you haven't ever relocated to America? And
57:35Speaker 1is it can companies do what you're doing in America, or do they not like because because analog steroids are absolutely illegal,
57:43Speaker 1Would that pose problems for a company to be doing what you do in America?
57:48Speaker 5Oh, it's not possible at all. You have to get DA license to deal with anabolics.
57:52Speaker 5Okay. And you're not getting that if you're serving commercial
57:56Speaker 5clients at all. Okay. Right. So
57:59Speaker 5that's not possible. You can test peptides in The US Yeah. As long as they're not scheduled as well. For example, human growth hormone is scheduled.
58:07Speaker 5So if you have labs without license that are doing that, they're committing
58:12Speaker 5well, I'm not sure if it's outright felony, but they ought not to be doing that. I'm not specialist in that.
58:19Speaker 5And it is the same with many of the peptides because they service performance enhancing drugs, you know, the growth hormone,
58:26Speaker 5peptides that make you release more growth hormone.
58:30Speaker 5They're scheduled as well, I believe, in The US.
58:33Speaker 1So
58:36Speaker 5the labs, don't hold the paperwork to deal with this, they shouldn't really be touching that. They're Okay. Legally liable for doing that. Okay. So
58:47Speaker 5it's
58:47Speaker 5testing GLP-1s
58:49Speaker 5is
58:51Speaker 5legally alright as far as I can tell, but
58:54Speaker 5you don't need that much of an equipment to deal the same 3 peptides over and over again.
59:00Speaker 5So
59:02Speaker 5and
59:03Speaker 5what to my surprise, a lot of the small labs in The US can screw even that up pretty badly.
59:08Speaker 5I mean For sure. I
59:11Speaker 5mean, nothing nothing that we do is that difficult, really. Mhmm. What's difficult is just keeping it all together. Yeah. You have to keep up the international
59:20Speaker 5logistics,
59:21Speaker 5the customs,
59:23Speaker 5the paperwork for scheduled substances because everything
59:27Speaker 5we test is scheduled in Czech Republic.
59:30Speaker 5Or every single peptide GLP ones, they're treated the same way as anabolics over here. Oh, wow. So
59:37Speaker 5we're we're we're the highest security level most likely there is commercially in this country. We have security cameras and everything.
59:44Speaker 5Yeah. Everywhere the you have to put your chip to each door to be able to enter
59:51Speaker 5because the government, they just tell us they want us to do that. Yeah. Yeah.
59:58Speaker 5Then you have to have
1:00:00Speaker 5imagine just receiving
1:00:02Speaker 5400 packages in a single day. You have to have so much stuff on hand just to open up the packages, let alone
1:00:10Speaker 5classify them to orders and everything.
1:00:15Speaker 5Actually, opening up the packages properly.
1:00:18Speaker 5Yeah. It's taking up more time than the actual testing.
1:00:21Speaker 5Yeah. Well, that's great. Yeah.
1:00:25Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah. So just just just keeping
1:00:28Speaker 5everything smooth, logistically, is the most difficult part. It's it's it's Heard the I mean, it's pretty easy if you're getting 10 or 50 samples Right. Yeah. A week.
1:00:38Speaker 5Yeah. But once you
1:00:40Speaker 5start getting so many samples, they stop fitting a single room. Mhmm.
1:00:46Speaker 5Organization is key. Trouble.
1:00:48Speaker 1Yeah.
1:00:48Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah. That's the that's the most difficult part. What that's what the scaling is the issues we are facing right now. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Do you guys have a You visit
1:00:57Speaker 1your lab.
1:00:59Speaker 1I'm just asking, is that a possibility?
1:01:01Speaker 1Is like, could JD and I come visit your lab?
1:01:05Speaker 1Because you said that some you have people visiting. Right?
1:01:09Speaker 5Yeah. I mean, we're 30 minutes from Prague International Airport.
1:01:13Speaker 5And I pride myself, and we pride ourselves in being very transparent and open. Love it. I love that. So, for example, Monday, we had a lady visit.
1:01:23Speaker 5She even brought a sample with her, which informed
1:01:28Speaker 5her it's a felony
1:01:30Speaker 1in Czechia.
1:01:31Speaker 1That's funny. And
1:01:34Speaker 5and and she could see
1:01:36Speaker 5how the sample is tested right in front of her. Well, that's right. Arrived. She took a walk with me. And before the walk was
1:01:43Speaker 5over,
1:01:44Speaker 5she had the result at hand.
1:01:46Speaker 5So she could see how it's working. Of course, it was prioritized,
1:01:50Speaker 5naturally. It's a different showcase.
1:01:52Speaker 5Yeah. Right. But
1:01:55Speaker 5the actual the actual
1:01:57Speaker 5process is so fast.
1:02:00Speaker 5The tour
1:02:01Speaker 5through all the labs, just a quick visit through all the labs we have That's cool. In in our 20,000
1:02:07Speaker 5square feet Wow. Of
1:02:10Speaker 5of buildings.
1:02:12Speaker 5It's taking longer to just stroll around them than to have
1:02:15Speaker 5sample
1:02:17Speaker 5coming in from arriving to results available.
1:02:20Speaker 4That is so cool. Yeah. We That's sweet. We might take you up on that offer by a steak. Yeah. If you eat steak. What? Dude. Okay. Good. Just, I just strongly suggest shipping the sample in beforehand. Push your limits, train with precision,
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1:03:01Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
1:03:08Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
1:03:16Speaker 2Yeah. It's chicken shawarma.
1:03:18Speaker 2Want it back? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the bank or Bank NA. And we can just keep it up waiting for you. Yeah. Right. Instead of committing a felony on hand. Yeah. I don't feel like going into Czech prison. Peter, I I know that we gotta go, but I wanna I I know that the the listeners would want this, and you might not be able to answer this off the cuff
1:03:46Speaker 4because they're worried, you know, like, you know, like, in The United States, just from some of the last few years on what we've all experienced,
1:03:53Speaker 4people have lost some trust in just the Western medicine system and whatnot. So they're seeking things outside of that, which is great, know, and they're finding things cheaper, which is great, right?
1:04:03Speaker 4But they are worried, are they getting what they're buying? And if you could answer this, great. If you can't, totally get it off the cuff. All the stuff you're testing,
1:04:13Speaker 4do you have, like, a percentage roughly of
1:04:16Speaker 4what is over underdosed compared to what is dosed fine? Like, is it, like,
1:04:21Speaker 470, 30, like, 90, 10? Is it can you even answer that? Like, 1 in 20 samples?
1:04:28Speaker 5Well,
1:04:29Speaker 5I do I do remember
1:04:31Speaker 5a statistic I made from myself a couple weeks ago. Awesome. And roughly,
1:04:36Speaker 51 in 20 samples
1:04:39Speaker 5is completely wrong compound, nothing in there,
1:04:42Speaker 5or
1:04:43Speaker 5dose is so wrong, it cannot even be considered the same sample anymore. Sure.
1:04:48Speaker 5And, of course, the last couple of weeks, they are screwing it up a little bit because we've received just so many samples that contain nothing at all. Yeah. Okay.
1:04:58Speaker 5It's it's mostly it's not coming in from private persons, though. It's coming in from massive distributors. Like Okay. They're looking for new suppliers. Yeah. They they find a supplier. They offer 50 different peptides, so they send all 50 of them to me. Oh, man. And I get this coming in from multiple sites. And suddenly,
1:05:16Speaker 5you have 600
1:05:17Speaker 5samples that test empty Oh, wow. In a span of 3 weeks.
1:05:22Speaker 5So but they
1:05:24Speaker 5most likely never make it into the market. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Sure. Sure. Hope Because the distributors,
1:05:29Speaker 5they won't buy the batch because they they protested.
1:05:32Speaker 1But
1:05:33Speaker 5that's
1:05:34Speaker 5now, right the last couple of weeks, the statistic is a little bit skewed by that. Interesting.
1:05:40Speaker 4That is interesting. And that's a way that's
1:05:43Speaker 4awesome to hear because,
1:05:44Speaker 4for people and Americans that are buying these peptides from
1:05:48Speaker 4research companies,
1:05:50Speaker 4a lot of people fake the testing and that's just part is what it is. So as long as you get legit testing in companies that actually test each batch or near, right, you're gonna be fine in regards to that because any company with any type of integrity, if that happened, you're not gonna it ain't gonna get to you. It didn't test out. And if you had a company that doesn't care or you have a smaller company or whatnot, you you know what I mean? I mean, if it's a company that has integrity that it tests, which costs money,
1:06:19Speaker 4quite a bit of money. So that money just typical supply and demand gets passed on to the customer because they have to test and it cost, but it's worth it to pay a little extra for the companies that are actually legit. So I think that's huge.
1:06:33Speaker 5Yeah. Well, a lot of people a lot of people got into this peptide business because they saw the money in it. Right. They're rather good businessmen
1:06:41Speaker 5unlike a lot of people in the anabolic steroid and black box world. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
1:06:48Speaker 5So and they figured very quick. It's cheaper
1:06:51Speaker 5to provide high quality service Absolutely. In the long term than just rebrand every time they screw up or just deal with the
1:06:59Speaker 5customer retention
1:07:00Speaker 5Sure. Because they screwed up hard. Right. So it's just cheaper in the long or even medium run for them to do exceedingly good job.
1:07:09Speaker 5Mhmm. Yeah.
1:07:10Speaker 5Than to try to catch up later on at
1:07:15Speaker 5or to rebrand if they screw up real hard.
1:07:18Speaker 4Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Peter, we've kept you on. I know it's getting late there. Last question, and then we'll let you we'll wrap this up.
1:07:25Speaker 4Where do you go from here? Anything new in your future? Do you see any type of changes? Are you just kind of
1:07:31Speaker 4mowing along and just going to kind of be just kinda doing what you're doing? Is there any type of growth that you see, any type of compounds that you see, or is it just kinda moving along as you've been?
1:07:42Speaker 5Well, we've grown 50%
1:07:45Speaker 5Wow. In
1:07:48Speaker 5last 3 months alone.
1:07:50Speaker 1Dude, that's insane.
1:07:52Speaker 5Having trouble just adjusting to that. Right. So
1:07:55Speaker 5right now, I'm putting up out fires all day, every day for 16 hours a day. And so Yeah. Hopefully, it gets a little better soon. Otherwise, I will go crazy.
1:08:06Speaker 5And after we we we we got our own NMR machine,
1:08:09Speaker 5which is a very fancy machine that lets you analyze completely unknown stuff.
1:08:15Speaker 1So that
1:08:17Speaker 5was that was over 1000000 dollars. Mhmm. And
1:08:23Speaker 5that's that lets us do a lot more exciting stuff in testing.
1:08:28Speaker 5Yeah. Oh, exciting to me, which is Yeah. Yeah. Which might be a little Yeah. It
1:08:33Speaker 5is exciting nevertheless.
1:08:35Speaker 1And
1:08:36Speaker 5what
1:08:38Speaker 5I'd like to do at some point is to start up a similar service for
1:08:45Speaker 5drugs drugs as a
1:08:47Speaker 5narcotics
1:08:49Speaker 5just for the sheer harm reduction possibilities.
1:08:51Speaker 4Yeah. And catching on stuff. There's
1:08:55Speaker 5a there's a lot of noncommercial
1:08:57Speaker 5services that do this. There's
1:09:00Speaker 5government
1:09:00Speaker 5funded labs that do this testing.
1:09:03Speaker 5But
1:09:05Speaker 5if
1:09:06Speaker 5you have a free lab that's government funded that's testing drugs, for example, dancing drugs, ecstasy or cocaine,
1:09:13Speaker 5for people, but they take 2 months to deliver the results. Yeah. Of course, the people have already used it up, but we never tell whatever
1:09:21Speaker 5the result might end up being. Yes. So
1:09:24Speaker 5I would like I would like to introduce this sort of harm reduction service that's very fast and available to people. Oh, cool.
1:09:33Speaker 5Because well, the entire point of my business was harm reduction.
1:09:37Speaker 5Yeah. And this seems like natural area to expand this to that could help a lot of people. I mean, when I was studying the med school,
1:09:46Speaker 5we we had this guy who was like 20 years old,
1:09:51Speaker 5and he spent a couple weeks in coma and
1:09:56Speaker 5a lot more weeks in a hospital because he he took something that he thought was ecstasy and it didn't turn out to be that. Oh, wow. And screwed up him so badly. It cost him, like,
1:10:06Speaker 5a couple $100,000
1:10:08Speaker 5to hospitalize him, to keep him to keep him in the hospital. Unreal. And all this could be prevented easily just by, you know, the testing like this being available. Yeah. And
1:10:18Speaker 5I'm rather confident we wouldn't even need to be government funded because the people, a lot of people, they would gladly pay just
1:10:26Speaker 5to be safer
1:10:28Speaker 5and to be able to make safer decisions.
1:10:30Speaker 5And
1:10:32Speaker 5I would be really happy about being able to help people like this. I mean Awesome. I don't judge whoever is using whatever Right. Correct. Drug.
1:10:41Speaker 5But I feel that the current services that are available
1:10:45Speaker 5are not really able to provide the level of harm reduction that's easily possible to provide to people. So that's 1 of the 1 of the spaces I would love to expand. It's just doing the testing,
1:10:56Speaker 5just slightly different. Doing the testing I love, just slightly different, and it's a different way to help people solve their problems Yeah. And help them stay safe. Yeah. Mhmm. So I would love to do that at some point. But, obviously,
1:11:09Speaker 5we've been trying to do that for years, but legally,
1:11:14Speaker 5it's impossible.
1:11:15Speaker 5We're just we we we we try to influence the lawmaking process in this country just to be able to do that because currently,
1:11:23Speaker 1it's just not legally possible to do this as a as a commercial company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need fast turnaround on that too. But well, that's awesome, dude. I commend you on that. That's both close to JD and I's heart. Like, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of dead friends that we have, to be honest. Like we've been sober for a while and like, we literally,
1:11:44Speaker 1yes, have too many friends that have died. I just would go, we go to funerals pretty often because
1:11:50Speaker 1of drugs. So that's a good service.
1:11:53Speaker 5I love it, man. Good for you. So I'm so sorry to hear that. And I would like to I mean,
1:11:58Speaker 5I did save up a couple of lives by the testing. We've called stuff like clenbuterol,
1:12:03Speaker 5dosed thousand times higher than it ought to be,
1:12:06Speaker 5and some other stuff like that. And I feel like in this direction, if I take it up, I could make a lot more difference Right. For people. Awesome. Yeah. That's so cool. Than I than we already do. I mean,
1:12:21Speaker 5there's not much else to achieve for me. I mean, my hobbies are, like, really cheap. I like taking walks and
1:12:29Speaker 5riding riding riding around the bicycle.
1:12:32Speaker 4So Peter, you're 32, brother. You're 32, and let me just tell you, it only gets worse. Then now it's like 0.5 a walk.
1:12:39Speaker 4I'm 40 I'm 48, so then the the walk turns in 0.5 walk in 3 naps. I'm
1:12:43Speaker 4joking. It's like that.
1:12:45Speaker 4Boring becomes fun is my point.
1:12:48Speaker 5Man, you you have been I had my shell of I had my shell of fun and interesting stuff happening. Yeah. Right. So
1:12:55Speaker 5I'm not quite I'm now quite content with what I have.
1:13:00Speaker 4Man, you've been an absolute pleasure. We were both really looking forward to this. I I said to Will, I don't know, couple weeks ago, I'm like, dude, let's keep Peter Magic on. Like and I sent the email and you got back to me, man. I was really stoked about that because we've been dealing
1:13:13Speaker 4with you for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. We, you guys are amazing. We're not just saying that. You guys are really fast at all your responses and whatnot. So Mhmm. You've earned it, my friend. Yeah. And you literally single handedly basically, like, revolutionized
1:13:26Speaker 1the revolutionized
1:13:28Speaker 1the, like, hormonal
1:13:30Speaker 1you've really just up,
1:13:32Speaker 1made everybody
1:13:33Speaker 1level up in all of their production everywhere. Right? Because you said when you started this, nobody was testing anything. Right? And the level of products were shit. Once you introduce testing They push people to make sure. Everybody go, oh, crap. We better make good stuff. Right? This trickled down to where we are today. So congratulations.
1:13:50Speaker 4Everybody should go out, my friend. Debt of gratitude.
1:13:53Speaker 5Thank you. I no.
1:13:55Speaker 1I'm blushing, really. Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's really cool, man. And, so thank you so much. Well, hopefully,
1:14:02Speaker 4we can get out there,
1:14:04Speaker 4honestly,
1:14:04Speaker 4and, see your facility. And like I said, take you to to a nice dinner and break some bread, so to speak. And, you seem like good people, man, and, that's what we like to hang with. So bless you, my friend. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on.
1:14:19Speaker 5Well, please do come over and let me know. I'll be looking forward to that. And thank you too. It's been a real pleasure for me as well. Cool. Alright, brother. Well, blessings to you. And then everybody else, we will this will be dropping on Monday. We'll send that this to you, Peter, and get you in the next round. I apologize. It's probably gonna bring you a little bit more business and make you more busy, so we're sorry.
1:14:38Speaker 5Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm already a bit scared of that. Yeah. We we will need to hire a lot more people Yes. As soon as we can. Oh, yeah. Alright, man. Take care. Brother.
1:14:49Speaker 4Okay, guys. Take a nice round. Thank you very much. See you. See you.