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0:54Speaker 4Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Across the way, like always, my good friend, mister William
1:05Speaker 4we got a big we it's a big day. I've been excited. We've been excited about this. Our viewers are have been excited about this because we have been letting them know, but, we have Peter Magic, who is the owner of Janoschik,
1:18Speaker 4the most well known testing facility out there. You know, you have some other ones popping up, obviously, but
1:24Speaker 4you've been around forever as long as I've been in this game. I mean, Will and I have talked about your company for a long, long time. You used you, and it's it's exciting
1:32Speaker 4to talk with you. I know you are currently it's like 07:30 your time. You live in Prague, which is in The Czech Republic. So, thank you for
1:44Speaker 4So we're excited to have you guys have me. Yeah. We're excited to have you. I know that the
1:55Speaker 4but you've been in the game for a very long time off camera. You told us you've been doing this since you were 16. So, Peter, really quickly for the people that don't know who you are, in your own words, tell us who you are, what you do.
2:51Speaker 5So I believe, at the moment, we're by far the biggest laboratory that does this in the world. We have
3:05Speaker 1That's awesome. That's impressive. I have known you guys. I've been doing ever since I've been in this business, and I feel like maybe 12, 15 years or something like that, I've been sending tests into you,
3:24Speaker 1Tell us how you how you ended up starting this company because you had to have been a young young man. And and what kind of background did you have? And why? And why did you start it?
3:43Speaker 5if I want to get popular with the ladies, I ought to take a weightlifting or something.
3:58Speaker 5I go I was really fluent in English, so I started looking up my information on English message boards.
4:15Speaker 5performance enhancing drug use is so pervasive. You will just come around that, and I befriended many people. I'm actually still in contact with many of the people I met more than 15 years ago online Sounds good. When I was just starting out lifting.
4:45Speaker 5the products they're using. They bought something, but they had no guarantees gray or black market even if you're in The UK or Slovakia. Back then, the personal use wasn't criminalized.
5:05Speaker 5Private. Mhmm. They on they were difficult to deal with. Like, they had only did b to b.
5:17Speaker 5I was talking with my friends, and I had a friend at the university, an incredibly bright young guy.
5:25Speaker 5the concept of chemical analysis, like, it's not a diff you you see it, you know, you you buy a mineral water,
5:36Speaker 5So even at a high school, as dumb as I was, I could figure out that it's something that's actually doable. So
5:46Speaker 5and then for a couple bucks for to cover the costs and a couple of beers on top of that. We tried that and it worked. So
5:57Speaker 5then another friend hit me up of like, hey. Could you do this for me as well? Like, the 1 friend was sub from Serbia.
6:22Speaker 5people I've never heard of started asking me to stuff for them. And I were like, hey. Hey, guys. Stop. Okay. I'm
6:28Speaker 5I like this is fun, but I had no charity. This is taking out so much of my time. The logistics of international
7:44Speaker 5when I had it, and it just went it had these pumping heads, huge ones like my fist, and it just went
7:54Speaker 5Yeah. And it was it it took a long time. Like, the older the HPLC, the lower the the worse it is, the longer it takes to analyze stuff. Sure. Yeah. Right. So I had so I so I had this stuff running for 40 hours straight
8:25Speaker 5looked at him with this huge circus the dark circus under my eyes, and I told him I cannot for the next 42 hours
8:48Speaker 5it didn't really work. We're we're still friends to this day, but he really he really regretted living next next door Oh my god. Back then.
8:57Speaker 4That's a good That's amazing. Story. That's a rad story. That that is rad story. Good for you, man. So it basically was completely organic,
9:05Speaker 4and that's how you started. How rad is that? That is amazing. We never did any marketing. We always I just
9:32Speaker 5Yeah. So it just grew organically over the years. Right. Eventually, I could move out the lab, out of the dorm. That's when I moved that's
10:12Speaker 5high purity chemicals to your dorm room, like you have industrial trucks delivering new chemicals to a dorm. Right.
10:26Speaker 5Sure. And at some point, I had local equivalent of DEA task force. Oh. Knock on my door at 4AM.
10:37Speaker 5Given I was given given I was living alone, I slept like God made me. I just opened the door, like, what the hell? Who is what was what's the doing this at 4AM?
10:51Speaker 5Woah. We we we with their guns out and, like, hey. Can how can we come in? I'm like, what what am I gonna if I told you no, I would get out anyway.
11:12Speaker 5It's like the national spot over here. So they sort of assumed it's that. Right. But, you know, they entered. The chemist, they took a look, and
11:27Speaker 5Right. So so that so they just turned around. They were like, oh, so we're we're sorry, man. No problem.
11:35Speaker 5Yeah. We don't want you. The dorm yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the dorm administration was pretty upset about the whole situation.
11:58Speaker 5Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had the the the they just made it it sort of became a running joke over there. That's awesome. They let me stay over there. I stayed there for a couple more years. I actually met my wife later on in the dorm.
12:14Speaker 1Yeah. But I figured that might be just the right time to move the live out of the room I'm living in over there. Yeah. No doubt. Hey. So that's that's awesome. So and the, basically, the genesis of this whole thing, again, goes back to women and trying to men trying to please women. Right? The whole point of you trying to do start anything was because you wanted to get girls.
12:35Speaker 5Wow. So I was I was like when I when I joined the message boards, I was like 14 or 15. So
12:42Speaker 5that's pretty that's the the that's pretty much nothing that was on mind of. Right. Right. A teenage boy like that. Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah.
12:50Speaker 4So that's cool, man. Thank you. So back then, when you were doing all this and you're you're testing this this these compounds,
13:03Speaker 4or like a testosterone or like, let's say a trend, ace coming back as testosterone, were you finding a lot of compounds not
13:20Speaker 5quite a challenge for my memory at this point. Yep. But I do I of course of course, the market was,
13:27Speaker 5well, I don't know how to put in my lid. The market was pretty shit given there was no option for people to test stuff. Right.
13:48Speaker 5That was that was pretty much the best or the higher down bone on blood on the blood test results. So
14:01Speaker 5random mixtures of stuff. Like, it it looked like someone just found random bags of stuff Jeez. And put it into the oil to make rough concentrations similar to that.
14:13Speaker 5you know, the trombone. It's known for being orange, which is actually not good because the trend orange means it's degraded already. Mhmm. Regular trombone all ought to look the same as just any other oil. Really? But
14:35Speaker 5but that was just because someone baked the oil and then dissolved in it, but they baked it to be orange. You know, there there's a particle kinds of oils that turn orange if you bake them long enough. Oh, wow. So That's interesting. We've seen that. That that was that was that was pretty fun to see.
14:50Speaker 5But, basically basically, it was Wild West. 15 years ago, the market was in a terrible shape. Mhmm. But then then as the as the testing as the testing became widely available,
15:23Speaker 4it's kind of like deja vu. So now the peptides come into the case and you're kind of at that area now, I would imagine, where it's kind of been the wild wild west, but now with the testing,
15:36Speaker 4you're kind of like back to square 1 to a degree, I would imagine, where you're seeing some of the same type of stuff going on. I mean, are you seeing a lot of stuff come through that's greatly underdosed?
15:57Speaker 5that contain no active compound at all. Oh, wow. All all different peptides, whether it's GHK,
16:06Speaker 5Sema, Retrite, whatever it is, it's just empty vial. Of course, there's the filler, there's the excipient,
16:34Speaker 5roughly 1 in 20 or 25 samples. Okay. Turned out to be just completely something different than it ought to be. Okay.
17:09Speaker 5It it always just tests some other GLP 1 or a mixture of them. Right. So that's an honorable mention because I I
17:29Speaker 5The newer and more the the more rare stuff is, the more it happens, of course. Yep. But
17:37Speaker 5there's no no rule of thumb that 1 could apply as far as I can tell. Because there is probably a rule of thumb if we're talking about hormones like primabolin
17:55Speaker 1How about on the hormone side? Not really. No? What do you what do you see there? Not Not really.
18:10Speaker 5We're not seeing That's good. We're not seeing much different stuff than we're not seeing
18:33Speaker 5no Yeah. Yeah. Mastron Mastron. Being made. Yeah. So we've seen that replaced with something else a lot. And oftentimes, it was something that was even more expensive than the Drosdanolone itself.
18:50Speaker 5Not fancy. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the funny thing with methanol on the primobulin is, you know, those famous
19:00Speaker 5they're probably the most faked anabolic steroid in the world. Yeah. Like, if we receive if we receive the Remobolans vial or Remobolans ampule Yeah.
19:10Speaker 5The the it's, like, over 90% chance that it's contained in nothing but beer oil. Oh, wow. Like, 90 percent. What's b a or b b. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
19:21Speaker 5and and they're made perfectly. Like, it's it's it's it's knee impossible to tell them from originals. Sure. Oftentimes, they're really perfect mate. They they just contain nothing whatsoever.
19:34Speaker 5What's the theory? Yeah. Yeah. I I have the theory that if someone managed to get as good at faking the labels, the ampules,
19:50Speaker 5they got sued for trademark infringement or something like that, and they don't get sued for
19:59Speaker 5So they figured it's just risk management for them or something. But that's just my theory. This is 1 theory of mine.
20:05Speaker 1Right. Why invest all of your money into making the fake packaging when you could invest all your money into remaking
20:31Speaker 5Oh, wow. In a in a in a very real looking boxes. Of course. That's been our experience
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21:15Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay. Big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
21:23Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
21:33Speaker 2Want it back? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Do your business, or is it is can you answer that even,
21:49Speaker 4or is it just pretty much just all over? I know that you do test probably everywhere. So is it America that takes the lead? I do know exactly. Alright.
22:05Speaker 5at some point, we started getting so many media inquiries that I made a presentation for them.
22:11Speaker 5And I made a I made a list by revenue and more roughly 0.667 of my business is coming from US. Yeah. Okay. Pretty good. And roughly 20%
22:31Speaker 5the economical power of The United States is incomparable with anything else in the world. Yeah. And there's obvious
22:59Speaker 5the weight loss peptides. Yeah. Right. It's they're incredibly more expensive in The US compared to everywhere else everywhere else in the world.
23:09Speaker 5So it just makes more sense for people over there to acquire them of the gray and black market.
23:15Speaker 1Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Then China, but 20% of your business comes from China. Is that because a lot of the manufacturing is China, and and who's sending it in is the actual manufacturers
23:37Speaker 5their their clients, they don't want their own CERF certificates of analysis Yeah. Because they don't trust them.
23:52Speaker 5prefer they like working with us because we have a very fast line of communication with China.
24:08Speaker 5so so it's alright for their production. They can't get the stuff done much faster anywhere else on the in the world. So and
24:51Speaker 4many more people. Yeah. Or companies in The US. For sure. How important do you think the purity percentage
25:16Speaker 4but 1, is that common? And 2, if it's under the well, let's say it comes back at 95, is that actually a big difference from your standpoint?
27:31Speaker 5as the amount of peptide in total amount of stuff inside the vial, we would get some oftentimes, we would get stuff like 1% or 2% pure. Yeah. Yeah. So
27:50Speaker 5all peptides that have a common property. All peptides are made of amino acids that are connected with a peptide bond.
28:03Speaker 5there is no peptide in the world whether you cannot see it or when you look at the peptide bonds. So basically,
28:22Speaker 5and then you take out your target peptide, what you're looking for. So if you get arbitrary signal of 100
28:34Speaker 5that's basically the peptide purity that's defined. And then you have 7 thousands of signal that is not attributed
28:40Speaker 5to your target peptide. So that's what the purity means. It's just peptide impurities.
28:54Speaker 5in your sample, but you cannot see it when you're looking at the peptide bond. It's just invisible. It's below
29:12Speaker 1Well, that's interesting. That's true. You had a question? I don't okay. I guess I had a specific well,
29:39Speaker 1Is there any way to quantify how bad they are? I don't know if you can really, you know, tell us exactly how bad they are, but and
30:00Speaker 5of course, naturally, it would be good for my business to tell everyone how important this testing is.
30:05Speaker 5But in my opinion, most of it is completely useless, and I'm pretty open to people about it. Yeah. For example,
30:12Speaker 5the peptide in peptides, the heavy metals are not involved in the manufacture at all. There's no reason for them to be in there. We've tested, I think, thousands of them already. We haven't had a single positive yet.
30:52Speaker 5it get it can be sensitive enough to hit to hit positive for all sorts of heavy metals. Sure. You could probably find out uranium in your drinking water. Right. But
31:08Speaker 5the fact that the the there is a positive hit in something doesn't really mean it's dangerous.
31:14Speaker 5You have to take a look at the levels. And most of the labs, there are many labs I've noticed that
31:29Speaker 5everything in this world contains at least some Right. Heavy metals. It's just even distribute some distribution of the of items in the universe. Yeah.
31:53Speaker 5that would point out to a level that could be even remotely dangerous to any living thing, let alone an adult human. Wow. That is
32:03Speaker 4so scare tactics that some of the other I'm glad that we're talking about this because I think people need to hear it because
32:13Speaker 4another way to put it is people should be worried about things like seed oils and Doritos and sugars a lot more than what they're worried about coming through in peptides. Maybe the only fear you should have is, are you getting it dosed?
32:26Speaker 4Is it the peptide that you ordered? And 2, is it dosed to a degree where it's gonna work for you? Other than that, worry about it.
32:34Speaker 5Right? Yeah, that's exactly like the best value test by far is the identity and the dose, Mhmm. Which is what I always tell tell the people, this is the best value thing you could get. Everything else is
33:02Speaker 5and they can be a real issue because, for example, when you have peptides such as human growth hormone,
33:21Speaker 5And the E coli is a bacteria we know very well. It's the scientist's best friend for decades now.
33:28Speaker 5And you can force it to grow human growth hormone for you, but it's a bacteria that has endotoxin
33:34Speaker 5in its cell wall. So if you don't purify your human growth hormone or anything else you make in this bacteria,
33:52Speaker 5was a real worry for a while. But nowadays, all these peptides are made with solid phase synthesis,
34:12Speaker 5a couple weeks or months ago, I don't know, that they just flew flew it fly by. Pretty much. I know what you're We started, yeah, we started getting very
34:31Speaker 5the people, they actually did send the samples in for endotoxin because they were getting local reactions like swelling,
34:49Speaker 5So I used to say the same thing like, I think the endotoxin is pretty useless. We just started
34:54Speaker 5doing it because the people, they kept asking us to do so despite my pleas to stop. Yeah.
35:16Speaker 1I'm that I was wrong about the issue. So what do you think they did? They started using using
35:27Speaker 5Yeah. Was there something that No. No. That's definitely there's nothing more economical than a solid phase synthesis. So
35:38Speaker 5they're doing solid phase synthesis. I have no doubt about that because of the cheapest and most economical way to do that.
35:46Speaker 5I think with with the peptides, NAD plus is a different story that I think is the cheapest to make biosynthetically.
36:00Speaker 5for example, I think it is just contamination of the manufacturing process. For example, they're using contaminated water or something like that. Oh, right. Makes sense.
36:51Speaker 1an idea about how difficult figuring this stuff can be. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good for the Chinese factory for actually caring and going to figure it out and spending that $150,000.
37:18Speaker 5Just that is insane amount of money. Yeah. Right. The sheer amount of samples, I think it was over 100 samples just tested by us to figure out where it is exactly getting introduced and what it might be. Wow. That's awesome. So
37:33Speaker 5so that was that was a pretty difficult Well, that's a good question. Figure out. And we were everyone was really happy when when we found out.
37:45Speaker 5Okay. Yeah. And I I I bet if they could solve it easily, the factory the the factory that had issues with this, if they could solve it easily, they would because, yeah, of course, they're losing insane amount of money by having a product they cannot sell. Of course. And it's causing issues to their own customers.
38:10Speaker 5not possible for me to keep track That of many. Yeah. About all the issues we've we've had. We've had our 1st
38:22Speaker 5We've, like, we we received more than 1000 samples in a day. Wow. And that's the 1st time it happened ever.
38:39Speaker 5all the stuff from falling apart Sure. And people from people people from running away Yeah. As fast as they can. Sure. We we get so much mail that
38:59Speaker 5or to receive the packages alone. Oh, wow. So I I I had I had to move my office to a different wing of the building.
39:11Speaker 1and there was just a bunch of packages over there and none of my stuff. That's awesome. It's good to be back. Hey. Well and sorry. We contributed about 30 different, samples to that load literally, like, last week. And you got them back to us. Like, I've already gotten I mean, now out of that many samples, I think you guys have already given me about 10, 15 other results. So, shoot,
39:36Speaker 5Yeah. We we try our best, but it's just sort of fallen falling on my head all the time. We, on top of this workload increasing,
40:08Speaker 1The only issue is that we're blocking, like, 0.5 the customers along with us. So we have leave it out. Yeah, man. That's Jesus. Dude, we have in our business, we've got a few businesses, and, like, we get constantly
40:26Speaker 1and they basically recreate our website. They do a kind of a shabby job, but then they market it, and then, you know, and then our customers accidentally go to that website, buy stuff,
40:39Speaker 4duplicate my video. They like because I'll do, like, a post of, like, in social media. They'll take that video. Yep. And they'll put their, you know, and then it goes on their website. Website.
40:49Speaker 1People send it to me. Just shoot them. That's me. That's not my company. Or our fake payment addresses. Be like, oh, yeah. They'll they'll create like a a PayPal or Venmo, right, with our logos looks like almost identical.
41:09Speaker 5I mean, we had to say, we had a couple of websites. Yeah. Like, instead of janoschil.com,
41:19Speaker 5And we got a but we have the pro we we got good lawyers for that, so we usually can get them shut down within the day. Yeah. Yeah. So we have a team that does that too.
41:30Speaker 1Hey. So back to this so I'm looking at right now a sample of of human growth hormone. Now you did say that that is a long obviously, that's a 191 amino acids in it in it.
41:39Speaker 1Did you say it has to be grown in E. Coli? And I don't know if that's exactly what you said there, but I do I have Push your limits, train with precision,
42:00Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
42:08Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
42:18Speaker 2Want it that? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the Bancorp, Bank NA. Heard. So I'm looking at this test, and it says 96,
43:03Speaker 5some sort of different cell line that doesn't have endotoxin at all. Okay. So they do that because they want to be all fancy and save up on endotoxin
43:15Speaker 5the peptide, the human growing hormone is so big, there's a lot more stuff that can go wrong. Sure.
44:07Speaker 5with human growth hormone being so big, there's a lot of places where it can go wrong. So it's really difficult to keep it real up high. We've had we've tested more than 99% human growth hormone.
44:41Speaker 5and they sell standards like testing standards for medicines. And they also sell a human growth hormone standard.
45:08Speaker 5And it was pretty cool, so we just hurried to test it right away. Yeah. And it tested over 99%.
45:55Speaker 4run-in in issues if a company sends you some compounds and they don't come back like they had wished? Do you have to have a department that deals with some angry customers, or is it not really common for them to
46:11Speaker 5you had to question your It depends on what they already said. If they Right. If they get angry enough, they rise all to the top to to me.
47:12Speaker 5figuring out the to what to tell. And you could oh, we have an ancient equipment that cannot tell Boldenon and Dihedra Boldenon part. Oh, wow. And, of course, I'm also associated with their competition.
47:37Speaker 5also scrub the analytical chemistry in dealing with thousands of samples. Yeah. And the analytical chemistry is just so so difficult thing.
47:51Speaker 5So if if we suspect we might have screwed up something, I always prefer to review it Sure. To make sure we didn't screw up. Because
48:10Speaker 5that that's why we are where we are right now. But I still like to keep on top of it. Yeah. So I deal with a lot of stuff with a lot of angry people personally.
48:31Speaker 4as I'm sure you know what's going on with some of our regulations and the gray area that we swim within,
48:49Speaker 4Do you think the tighter regulations are going to actually clean up the industry or kind of destroy access to
48:57Speaker 4Americans with cheaper peptides, as you said? Like America, if you go through a typical
49:11Speaker 4Do you think that that's gonna cause a problem with the research companies from your knowledge if you have the knowledge of what's kinda we're dealing with here in America?
49:21Speaker 5I do have a rather good idea, and I also have a rather good idea of how war on drugs worked out.
49:30Speaker 5Great. No doubt. And they can make up a lot yeah. They can make up a lot more convincing reasons
49:44Speaker 5many people, like, there's probably tens of millions of people at this point who have experience with them in The United States. Lot them. Yeah. They love them. So it it it would be rather difficult to justify criminalizing
50:01Speaker 5There's so many. Not ostracized. Like yeah. There's so many of them. It's not ostracized like No. Drug deals,
50:17Speaker 5places where it's politically much more easier to push through. Yeah. But that's just my opinion. Don't like I'm an expert on The US politics. It's just Yeah. What I've gathered from
50:38Speaker 5probably longer than I've not been doing this, and I'm including in some time when I was an infant.
50:50Speaker 4methodical or not for you to see kinda where you're at. I mean, being 16, 17, like you said, and starting this with just some buddies to where you're at now, man, that is a
51:03Speaker 4Got a 2 part question for you. 1st off, I'm I'm really curious, and I'm assuming I know the answer, but do you enjoy what you do? I'm I always like to hear that. Number 2,
51:30Speaker 5This is fun. I like it. I like I like solving through trouble. I mean, it's difficult for me to be happy,
51:47Speaker 5My my hobbies are taking walks and sports, and you can only do that so so so much through a day. So it's the walk is remaining.
51:56Speaker 5And I really, really love finding about finding new things, finding about new stuff, figuring out how to test the new compound,
52:07Speaker 5to a point, like, when 0.5 your lap falls apart in a single day. That's that's not something that can be reasonably enjoyed. Mm-mm.
52:14Speaker 5That's awesome. We when we have days, like, when when we have 6 machines throughout an error, and I have to deal with that. I I don't enjoy that. But
52:24Speaker 5it's still still, you know, you fix the machine, you make something work, you figure out how to
52:35Speaker 5That's something that's something that's, you know, it's pretty fulfilling. And we get a lot of clients. They are
52:57Speaker 5We even have we have people we have a lot of clients that are sending us small gifts. We get we get
53:10Speaker 5used to have a client who send us it must have been, like, a 100 kilos of chocolate total. Oh, shit.
53:18Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, it's it's just very enjoyable. I cannot imagine doing anything other than business
53:40Speaker 1I free to share? Yeah. You're free to share. It's pretty it's pretty dull. It doesn't matter. You're good, man. Yep. It's a podcast. We're pretty open on it.
54:17Speaker 5he just he just put a sample he he had it custom molded and put the had the samples molded inside of it. So
54:25Speaker 5I declared it, you know, how it works with the customs. You have to declare then what it contains. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, man. So I was like, okay. This this this stuff contains,
54:49Speaker 5And I'm like, yeah, it's definitely that. I I confirm it with the guy. Well, you better come take a look, mister Magic.
55:13Speaker 5and place it on the table. And they're like, this is not what you declared, mister White.
55:19Speaker 5So This is not terrible. And like This is a penis. I I I yeah. Yeah. I I I took I took a look at it. I mean,
55:28Speaker 5it was it was a pretty weird situation to find myself in. And I I just moved it around a little bit. Oh, man. And I could feel, you know, that inside the plastic, inside the rubber,
55:38Speaker 5there there is a stuff moving. So I just told them, yeah. Hey. Can you touch this? Can you shield it up? Oh, man. That is too funny. Definitely that definitely Definitely.
55:55Speaker 5some sort of a major or something like that. Like, here, please, do grab this dildo thoroughly and tell me what you think.
56:07Speaker 5They they they they could feel the vials, so they just took up a knife and they opened it up and were like,
56:12Speaker 5well, I guess I guess you were right. It's just the packaging was a bit unconventional,
56:21Speaker 1Oh, man. Did he say why he did that? I know. Did he did that because he thought he was trying to smuggle the steroids in. Right? Like, essentially, he thought that it would be
56:30Speaker 1the customs wouldn't like him sending the steroids to you. Is that correct? Or did he just do this as a fun? It was,
56:37Speaker 5yeah, it was 0.5 bad and 0.5 for 0.5 to just fuck with me. Oh my god. That's right. That's funny. We we were Good for him. We were really great. Yeah. He was he was he was a great friend. Okay. It was it was pretty hilarious. I like I liked his humor. I'll just say, I can find the humor in that. If if my buddy did that, I would say, yeah. Was funny. Would say, you got me, bro. Like, hey, you won that round.
57:02Speaker 1shoot. Peter, 1st of all, guess I do have 1 more question. We're running out of time, but I do dude, I love your, like, down to earth, like, logic in all of your answers. Like, thank you. It's actually really nice to hear somebody just break things down and, well, look at the economics.
57:20Speaker 1is the right this is why I think people do things. Anyway, I wanted to make that observation. But 2 is how come
57:27Speaker 1you have not if if receiving all these packages and customs is such a pain in the ass, how come you haven't ever relocated to America? And
57:35Speaker 1is it can companies do what you're doing in America, or do they not like because because analog steroids are absolutely illegal,
57:59Speaker 5that's not possible. You can test peptides in The US Yeah. As long as they're not scheduled as well. For example, human growth hormone is scheduled.
58:12Speaker 5well, I'm not sure if it's outright felony, but they ought not to be doing that. I'm not specialist in that.
58:19Speaker 5And it is the same with many of the peptides because they service performance enhancing drugs, you know, the growth hormone,
58:36Speaker 5the labs, don't hold the paperwork to deal with this, they shouldn't really be touching that. They're Okay. Legally liable for doing that. Okay. So
58:54Speaker 5you don't need that much of an equipment to deal the same 3 peptides over and over again.
59:03Speaker 5what to my surprise, a lot of the small labs in The US can screw even that up pretty badly.
59:11Speaker 5mean, nothing nothing that we do is that difficult, really. Mhmm. What's difficult is just keeping it all together. Yeah. You have to keep up the international
59:30Speaker 5Or every single peptide GLP ones, they're treated the same way as anabolics over here. Oh, wow. So
59:37Speaker 5we're we're we're the highest security level most likely there is commercially in this country. We have security cameras and everything.
1:00:02Speaker 5400 packages in a single day. You have to have so much stuff on hand just to open up the packages, let alone
1:00:28Speaker 5everything smooth, logistically, is the most difficult part. It's it's it's Heard the I mean, it's pretty easy if you're getting 10 or 50 samples Right. Yeah. A week.
1:00:48Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah. That's the that's the most difficult part. What that's what the scaling is the issues we are facing right now. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Do you guys have a You visit
1:01:13Speaker 5And I pride myself, and we pride ourselves in being very transparent and open. Love it. I love that. So, for example, Monday, we had a lady visit.
1:01:36Speaker 5how the sample is tested right in front of her. Well, that's right. Arrived. She took a walk with me. And before the walk was
1:02:01Speaker 5through all the labs, just a quick visit through all the labs we have That's cool. In in our 20,000
1:02:20Speaker 4That is so cool. Yeah. We That's sweet. We might take you up on that offer by a steak. Yeah. If you eat steak. What? Dude. Okay. Good. Just, I just strongly suggest shipping the sample in beforehand. Push your limits, train with precision,
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1:03:01Speaker 2How do you wanna split it? Actually, dinner's on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit Mastercard.
1:03:08Speaker 1So Well, I Venmo'd you 3 times last week, so it's kinda on me, actually. Yeah. You send it, I spend it. Did my money get, like, reincarnated?
1:03:18Speaker 2Want it back? I can't believe you, like, ate my Venmo. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card. No monthly fee or minimum balance. Venmo balance account required to get a card and use a balance. The Venmo Mastercard is issued by the bank or Bank NA. And we can just keep it up waiting for you. Yeah. Right. Instead of committing a felony on hand. Yeah. I don't feel like going into Czech prison. Peter, I I know that we gotta go, but I wanna I I know that the the listeners would want this, and you might not be able to answer this off the cuff
1:03:46Speaker 4because they're worried, you know, like, you know, like, in The United States, just from some of the last few years on what we've all experienced,
1:03:53Speaker 4people have lost some trust in just the Western medicine system and whatnot. So they're seeking things outside of that, which is great, know, and they're finding things cheaper, which is great, right?
1:04:03Speaker 4But they are worried, are they getting what they're buying? And if you could answer this, great. If you can't, totally get it off the cuff. All the stuff you're testing,
1:04:48Speaker 5And, of course, the last couple of weeks, they are screwing it up a little bit because we've received just so many samples that contain nothing at all. Yeah. Okay.
1:04:58Speaker 5It's it's mostly it's not coming in from private persons, though. It's coming in from massive distributors. Like Okay. They're looking for new suppliers. Yeah. They they find a supplier. They offer 50 different peptides, so they send all 50 of them to me. Oh, man. And I get this coming in from multiple sites. And suddenly,
1:05:24Speaker 5most likely never make it into the market. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Sure. Sure. Hope Because the distributors,
1:05:34Speaker 5now, right the last couple of weeks, the statistic is a little bit skewed by that. Interesting.
1:05:50Speaker 4a lot of people fake the testing and that's just part is what it is. So as long as you get legit testing in companies that actually test each batch or near, right, you're gonna be fine in regards to that because any company with any type of integrity, if that happened, you're not gonna it ain't gonna get to you. It didn't test out. And if you had a company that doesn't care or you have a smaller company or whatnot, you you know what I mean? I mean, if it's a company that has integrity that it tests, which costs money,
1:06:19Speaker 4quite a bit of money. So that money just typical supply and demand gets passed on to the customer because they have to test and it cost, but it's worth it to pay a little extra for the companies that are actually legit. So I think that's huge.
1:06:33Speaker 5Yeah. Well, a lot of people a lot of people got into this peptide business because they saw the money in it. Right. They're rather good businessmen
1:06:41Speaker 5unlike a lot of people in the anabolic steroid and black box world. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
1:06:51Speaker 5to provide high quality service Absolutely. In the long term than just rebrand every time they screw up or just deal with the
1:07:00Speaker 5Sure. Because they screwed up hard. Right. So it's just cheaper in the long or even medium run for them to do exceedingly good job.
1:07:18Speaker 4Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Peter, we've kept you on. I know it's getting late there. Last question, and then we'll let you we'll wrap this up.
1:07:25Speaker 4Where do you go from here? Anything new in your future? Do you see any type of changes? Are you just kind of
1:07:31Speaker 4mowing along and just going to kind of be just kinda doing what you're doing? Is there any type of growth that you see, any type of compounds that you see, or is it just kinda moving along as you've been?
1:07:55Speaker 5right now, I'm putting up out fires all day, every day for 16 hours a day. And so Yeah. Hopefully, it gets a little better soon. Otherwise, I will go crazy.
1:09:06Speaker 5you have a free lab that's government funded that's testing drugs, for example, dancing drugs, ecstasy or cocaine,
1:09:13Speaker 5for people, but they take 2 months to deliver the results. Yeah. Of course, the people have already used it up, but we never tell whatever
1:09:24Speaker 5I would like I would like to introduce this sort of harm reduction service that's very fast and available to people. Oh, cool.
1:09:37Speaker 5Yeah. And this seems like natural area to expand this to that could help a lot of people. I mean, when I was studying the med school,
1:09:56Speaker 5a lot more weeks in a hospital because he he took something that he thought was ecstasy and it didn't turn out to be that. Oh, wow. And screwed up him so badly. It cost him, like,
1:10:08Speaker 5to hospitalize him, to keep him to keep him in the hospital. Unreal. And all this could be prevented easily just by, you know, the testing like this being available. Yeah. And
1:10:18Speaker 5I'm rather confident we wouldn't even need to be government funded because the people, a lot of people, they would gladly pay just
1:10:32Speaker 5I would be really happy about being able to help people like this. I mean Awesome. I don't judge whoever is using whatever Right. Correct. Drug.
1:10:45Speaker 5are not really able to provide the level of harm reduction that's easily possible to provide to people. So that's 1 of the 1 of the spaces I would love to expand. It's just doing the testing,
1:10:56Speaker 5just slightly different. Doing the testing I love, just slightly different, and it's a different way to help people solve their problems Yeah. And help them stay safe. Yeah. Mhmm. So I would love to do that at some point. But, obviously,
1:11:15Speaker 5We're just we we we we try to influence the lawmaking process in this country just to be able to do that because currently,
1:11:23Speaker 1it's just not legally possible to do this as a as a commercial company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need fast turnaround on that too. But well, that's awesome, dude. I commend you on that. That's both close to JD and I's heart. Like, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of dead friends that we have, to be honest. Like we've been sober for a while and like, we literally,
1:11:44Speaker 1yes, have too many friends that have died. I just would go, we go to funerals pretty often because
1:11:53Speaker 5I love it, man. Good for you. So I'm so sorry to hear that. And I would like to I mean,
1:11:58Speaker 5I did save up a couple of lives by the testing. We've called stuff like clenbuterol,
1:12:06Speaker 5and some other stuff like that. And I feel like in this direction, if I take it up, I could make a lot more difference Right. For people. Awesome. Yeah. That's so cool. Than I than we already do. I mean,
1:12:21Speaker 5there's not much else to achieve for me. I mean, my hobbies are, like, really cheap. I like taking walks and
1:12:32Speaker 4So Peter, you're 32, brother. You're 32, and let me just tell you, it only gets worse. Then now it's like 0.5 a walk.
1:12:48Speaker 5Man, you you have been I had my shell of I had my shell of fun and interesting stuff happening. Yeah. Right. So
1:13:00Speaker 4Man, you've been an absolute pleasure. We were both really looking forward to this. I I said to Will, I don't know, couple weeks ago, I'm like, dude, let's keep Peter Magic on. Like and I sent the email and you got back to me, man. I was really stoked about that because we've been dealing
1:13:13Speaker 4with you for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. We, you guys are amazing. We're not just saying that. You guys are really fast at all your responses and whatnot. So Mhmm. You've earned it, my friend. Yeah. And you literally single handedly basically, like, revolutionized
1:13:33Speaker 1level up in all of their production everywhere. Right? Because you said when you started this, nobody was testing anything. Right? And the level of products were shit. Once you introduce testing They push people to make sure. Everybody go, oh, crap. We better make good stuff. Right? This trickled down to where we are today. So congratulations.
1:13:55Speaker 1I'm blushing, really. Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's really cool, man. And, so thank you so much. Well, hopefully,
1:14:04Speaker 4and, see your facility. And like I said, take you to to a nice dinner and break some bread, so to speak. And, you seem like good people, man, and, that's what we like to hang with. So bless you, my friend. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on.
1:14:19Speaker 5Well, please do come over and let me know. I'll be looking forward to that. And thank you too. It's been a real pleasure for me as well. Cool. Alright, brother. Well, blessings to you. And then everybody else, we will this will be dropping on Monday. We'll send that this to you, Peter, and get you in the next round. I apologize. It's probably gonna bring you a little bit more business and make you more busy, so we're sorry.
1:14:38Speaker 5Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm already a bit scared of that. Yeah. We we will need to hire a lot more people Yes. As soon as we can. Oh, yeah. Alright, man. Take care. Brother.