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1:09Speaker 0Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Across the way, like always, my good friend, mister William

1:17Speaker 0Teahouse. What's up? Today,

1:19Speaker 0we got a big we it's a big day. I've been excited. We've been excited about this. Our viewers are have been excited about this because we have been letting them know, but, we have Peter Magic,

1:30Speaker 0who is the owner of Janoschick,

1:32Speaker 0which is basically

1:33Speaker 0the most well known testing facility out there. You know, you have some other ones popping up, obviously, but

1:39Speaker 0you've been around forever as long as I've been in this game. I mean, Will and I have talked about your company for a long, long time. You used GHND. It's it's exciting to talk with you. I know you are currently it's like 07:30 your time. You live in Prague, which is in The Czech Republic. So, thank you for

1:55Speaker 0staying up for us and jumping on the podcast. No problem.

1:59Speaker 4So

2:00Speaker 0we're excited to have you. You guys have me. Yeah. We're excited to have you. I know that the

2:06Speaker 0world of peptides

2:07Speaker 0is growing

2:09Speaker 0fast,

2:10Speaker 0but you've been in the game for a very long time off camera. You told us you've been doing this since you were 16. So, Peter, really quickly for the people that don't know who you are, in your own words, tell us who you are, what you do.

2:23Speaker 4Well,

2:24Speaker 4Bitmagic and

2:26Speaker 4own Nanosheat Limited,

2:28Speaker 4which is a company,

2:30Speaker 4that's doing analytical chemistry that's basically testing,

2:34Speaker 4mostly hormonal substances.

2:37Speaker 4We started out testing mostly performance enhancing drugs such as anabolic steroids.

2:42Speaker 4And

2:43Speaker 4along with that came the 1st peptides such as the human growth hormone

2:48Speaker 0Mhmm.

2:49Speaker 4Or

2:50Speaker 4related peptides, growth hormone releasing peptides, peptides,

2:53Speaker 4or

2:54Speaker 4Melanotan and similar ones.

2:56Speaker 4Mhmm.

2:57Speaker 4Nowadays nowadays, the peptides actually do make up a majority

3:01Speaker 4of the samples we test.

3:03Speaker 4Sure. Especially with the advent of GLP ones.

3:06Speaker 4So I believe, at the moment, we're by far the biggest laboratory that does this in the world. We have

3:14Speaker 4over 20,000 square feet of space

3:17Speaker 4and over 40 employees

3:19Speaker 4right now.

3:20Speaker 3That's awesome. That's impressive. I have known you guys. I've been doing ever since I've been in this business, and I feel like maybe 12, 15 years or something like that, I've been sending tests into you,

3:31Speaker 3starting with anabolic steroids.

3:34Speaker 3Hey. So you were young, obviously. Look at you.

3:39Speaker 3Tell us how you how you ended up starting this company because you had to have been a young young man. And and what kind of background did you have? And why? And why did you start it?

3:49Speaker 4Well, I had no background in this at all. I was just your regular scrawny kid.

3:55Speaker 4And I figured

3:58Speaker 4if I want to get popular with the ladies, I ought to take a weightlifting or something.

4:03Speaker 4So

4:05Speaker 4given my education,

4:06Speaker 4I had an education at Bilingual English School, like a British school in Slovakia.

4:13Speaker 4I go I was really fluent in English, so I started looking up my information on English message boards.

4:19Speaker 4And, obviously, when you start looking at the Internet forums,

4:23Speaker 4even 15 years ago or long or more,

4:28Speaker 4you get around with people who that the performance

4:31Speaker 4enhancing drug use so pervasive. You will just come around that, and I befriended many people. I'm actually still in contact with many of the people I met more than 15 years ago online Sounds good. When I was just starting out lifting.

4:44Speaker 4And

4:46Speaker 4they all had this issue. Like, they

4:49Speaker 4a lot of them were using this performance enhancing drugs.

4:54Speaker 4Nobody had any idea what sort of stuff is actually

4:59Speaker 4in

5:00Speaker 4the products they're using. They bought something, but they had no guarantees gray or black market even if you're in The UK or Slovakia. Back then, the personal use wasn't criminalized.

5:10Speaker 4Mhmm. It was not a crime to use them.

5:13Speaker 4But

5:14Speaker 4even so, there was no regulation.

5:16Speaker 4There were no testing labs that accepted private customers,

5:20Speaker 4private. Mhmm. They they were difficult to deal with. Like, they only did b to b.

5:26Speaker 4It they took months to deliver results. They were exceedingly expensive.

5:31Speaker 4Mhmm. And

5:32Speaker 4I was talking with my friends, and I had a friend at the university, an incredibly bright young guy.

5:38Speaker 4And I figured, like, man, the

5:41Speaker 4concept of chemical analysis, like, it's not a diff you you see it, you know, you buy a mineral water,

5:47Speaker 4and you see the label that the results of the chemical analysis.

5:51Speaker 4So even at a high school, as dumb as I was, I could figure out that it's something that is actually doable. So I

5:57Speaker 4I I investigated this possibility

5:59Speaker 4for my friends

6:01Speaker 4and then for a couple bucks for to cover the costs and a couple of beers on top of that. We tried that and it worked. So

6:11Speaker 4then another friend hit me up of like, hey. Could you do this for me as well? Like, the 1 friend was Serb from Serbia.

6:19Speaker 4Another friend was from The US. 1 was from UK.

6:23Speaker 4So and they started hitting me. Could you do this for me? That's yielded quite a lot of beers.

6:29Speaker 0And

6:30Speaker 4then that

6:32Speaker 4then the friends of them started asking me to do that. And then in a little while,

6:37Speaker 4people I've never heard of started asking me to do stuff for them. And I were like, hey. Hey, guys. Stop. Okay.

6:43Speaker 4I like this is fun, but I had no charity. This is taking out so much of my time. The logistics of international

6:51Speaker 4mail and everything, they're they're rather difficult, so I'm not doing it for b money anymore. So

6:57Speaker 4I took it commercial within a span of roughly a year or so. And

7:05Speaker 4at the start, at the beginning, we were still doing it with with

7:09Speaker 4my friend at the university lab.

7:12Speaker 4But

7:13Speaker 4later on, I saved up the money

7:16Speaker 4and bought my own 1st HPLC,

7:19Speaker 4the machine used to analyze this. Yeah.

7:22Speaker 4This compounds, the basic 1.

7:25Speaker 4So for a while, I was living in a dorm room,

7:28Speaker 4and next to my head, you had this HPLC,

7:32Speaker 4and it was an ancient old 1 because it had to be cheap. I was poor. I was poor. Right. Right. Didn't have enough money for food and

7:39Speaker 4because I was spending it to get high purity chemicals to run the the analysis.

7:43Speaker 4And

7:45Speaker 4right now, when you have the HPLC,

7:47Speaker 4it's basically it has a pump that's pumping liquid through stuff.

7:51Speaker 4And right now, you have these pumps that are doing like, but

7:56Speaker 4no. The ancient 1 was already 20 years old

7:59Speaker 4when I had it, and it just went like it had these pumping hats,

8:04Speaker 4huge ones like my face, and it just went

8:09Speaker 0Yeah.

8:10Speaker 4And it was it it took a long time. Like, the older the HPLC, the lower the the worse it is, the longer it takes to analyze stuff. Sure. Yeah. Right. So I had so I so I had this stuff running for 40 hours straight

8:24Speaker 4next to my head at the dorm.

8:27Speaker 4I still remember to this day when my

8:30Speaker 4not from my room, but the next room, the next door, the guy, a lawyer,

8:35Speaker 4he he he just asked me if I'm ever gonna turn it off.

8:39Speaker 4And I

8:40Speaker 4looked at him with this huge circus the dark circus under my eyes, and I told him I cannot for the next 42 hours because

8:48Speaker 4there's a huge backlog of analysis.

8:51Speaker 0Oh, you have sleep. Yeah.

8:53Speaker 4Yeah.

8:54Speaker 4So so so the guy, he just let out this tear of sadness

8:58Speaker 4and went to try went went back to his bed to try to sleep, but

9:03Speaker 4it didn't really work. We're we're still friends to this day, but he really he really regretted living next next door Oh my god. Back then.

9:12Speaker 0That was a good That's amazing. Story. That's a rad story. That that is a rad story. Good for you, man. So it basically was completely organic,

9:20Speaker 0and that's how you started. How rad is that? That is amazing. We never did any marketing. We always I just

9:26Speaker 4I had my had my report with my contact contact information,

9:30Speaker 4and I never did any sort of marketing or paid,

9:34Speaker 4you know, like,

9:35Speaker 4on anabolic steroid forms. It was rather common to pay

9:39Speaker 4to just be able to be there, but I never did that. It sort of went against my

9:45Speaker 4philosophy

9:46Speaker 4of doing stuff. Yeah. So it just grew organically over the years. Right. Eventually, I could move out the lab, out of the dorm. That's when I moved that's

9:56Speaker 4when I moved it out of the dorm

9:58Speaker 0in Prague.

10:00Speaker 4I moved it to Slovakia,

10:02Speaker 4my parents' house. They there was a working space in there.

10:07Speaker 4I'm going to pretend it wasn't a kitchen.

10:12Speaker 4I had a lab there for a while until I found suitable

10:16Speaker 4space back in Czech Republic.

10:18Speaker 4But I really did want to move the lab out of the dorm

10:22Speaker 4Mhmm. Because we had this incident.

10:24Speaker 4Like, you know, when you were getting delivered

10:26Speaker 4chemicals,

10:27Speaker 4high purity chemicals to your dorm room, like you have industrial trucks delivering you chemicals to a dorm room.

10:36Speaker 0Looks a little suspicious. Yeah.

10:38Speaker 4It did raise some suspicions.

10:41Speaker 4Sure. And at some point, I had a local equivalent of DEA task force

10:46Speaker 4Oh. Knock on my door at 4AM.

10:50Speaker 0And

10:52Speaker 4given I was given given I was living alone, I slept like God made me. I just opened the door. Like, what the hell? Who is what was what's the doing this at 4AM?

11:02Speaker 4Yeah. And then I had, you know, these guys in and

11:05Speaker 4everything.

11:06Speaker 4Woah.

11:24Speaker 4Greatest

11:24Speaker 4hub for homemade methamphetamine.

11:27Speaker 4It's like the national spot over here. So they sort of assumed it's that. Right. But, you know, they entered. The chemist, they took a look, and

11:35Speaker 4it's pretty it's pretty easy to tell an analytical chemical lab for manufacturing

11:41Speaker 4some Sure. Anything.

11:42Speaker 4Right. So so that so they just turned around. They were like, oh, so we're we're sorry, man. No problem.

11:50Speaker 4Yeah. We don't want you. But the dorm yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the dorm administration

11:54Speaker 4was pretty upset about the whole situation. Yeah. Right.

11:58Speaker 4Like, they woke up the dorm administrator, and she had to be with them there at 4AM.

12:04Speaker 0Hey.

12:06Speaker 0Looking at that. Peter, do you mind moving out of the door, please? Yeah.

12:10Speaker 3Did they let you stay in the door?

12:13Speaker 4Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had the the the they just made a it it sort of became a running joke over there. But That's awesome. They let me stay over there. I stayed there for a couple more years. I actually met my wife later on in the dorm.

12:26Speaker 0Cool.

12:27Speaker 0Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

12:29Speaker 3But I figured that might be just the right time to move the live out of the room I'm living in over there. Yeah. No doubt. Hey, so that's that's awesome. So and the, basically, the genesis of this whole thing, again, goes back to women and trying to men trying to please women. Right? The whole point of you trying to do start anything was because you wanted to get girls.

12:50Speaker 4Wow. So I was I was like when I when I joined the message boards, I was like 14 or 15. So

12:57Speaker 4that's pretty that's that's pretty much nothing that was on mind of. Right. Right. A teenage boy like that. Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah.

13:05Speaker 0So that's cool, man. Thank you. So back then, when you were doing all this and you're you're testing this this these compounds,

13:13Speaker 0were you finding a lot of the compounds

13:16Speaker 0either underdosed

13:18Speaker 0or like a testosterone or like, let's say a trend, ACE coming back as testosterone?

13:23Speaker 0Were you finding a lot of compounds not

13:26Speaker 0being the compounds they were supposed to or at least being greatly underdosed

13:30Speaker 0back then?

13:32Speaker 4It has to that,

13:35Speaker 4it's quite a challenge for my memory at this point. Yep. But I do I of course of course, the market was

13:42Speaker 4well, I don't know how to put in my lid. The market was pretty shit given there was no option for people to test stuff. Right.

13:49Speaker 4Basically basically, the cheap compounds like testosterone,

13:53Speaker 4you had testosterone

13:54Speaker 4250

13:55Speaker 4mg, and it turned out to be 300 and 80.

13:59Speaker 4Because the more kick it has, the better it has to be. Right? Yeah. Right.

14:03Speaker 4That was that was pretty much the best or the higher down bow on the blood on the blood test results. So

14:10Speaker 4that's what people went by. And

14:13Speaker 4oftentimes, the compounds in the oil were just random mixtures of stuff like it it looked like someone just found random bags of stuff Jeez. And put it into the oil to make rough concentrations similar to that.

14:26Speaker 4We've even seen,

14:28Speaker 4you know, the trampoline. It's known for being orange, which is actually not good because the tramp orange means it's degraded already. Mhmm. Regular trombone all ought to look the same as just any other oil. Really? But

14:42Speaker 4we've seen we've seen

14:44Speaker 4a lot of oils that were orange as Tremblon

14:48Speaker 4people thought ought to look. But that was just because someone baked the oil and then dissolved testosterone in it, but they baked it to be orange. You know, there there's a particle kinds of oils that turn orange if you bake them long enough. Oh, wow. So That's interesting. We've seen that. That that was that was that was pretty fun to see.

15:05Speaker 4But, basically, basically, it was Wild West. 15 years ago, the bucket was in a terrible shape. Mhmm. But then then as the as the testing as the testing became widely available,

15:17Speaker 4I would say that within 5 years, the entire market changed. Like,

15:24Speaker 4It was a lot more difficult for people who were just making pills

15:27Speaker 4that

15:28Speaker 4had random stuff in them. It became

15:31Speaker 4very difficult to justify that after people could test the stuff themselves.

15:36Speaker 0Well, that's awesome because now it's kind of like deja vu. So now the peptides come into the case and you're kind of at that area now, I would imagine, where it's kind of been the wild wild west, but now with the testing,

15:51Speaker 0you're kind of like back to square 1 to a degree, I would imagine, where you're seeing some of the same type of stuff going on. I mean, are you seeing a lot of stuff come through that's greatly underdosed?

16:04Speaker 4Well,

16:05Speaker 4right now, the last couple of weeks, we're seeing this interesting phenomenon

16:09Speaker 4that we receive in a lot of vials

16:12Speaker 4that contain no active compound at all. Oh, wow.

16:16Speaker 4All all different peptides, whether it's GHK,

16:20Speaker 4BPC,

16:21Speaker 4Sema, Retrata,

16:22Speaker 4whatever it is, it's just empty vial. Of course, there's the filler, there's the excipient,

16:28Speaker 4but there's no actual peptide in it. And

16:31Speaker 4there's a whole lot the whole

16:33Speaker 4lot of those

16:35Speaker 4coming in in the last couple of weeks. That's

16:38Speaker 4that's that's the interesting

16:40Speaker 4news from the field. But,

16:43Speaker 4of course, we're regularly seeing wrong dose, wrong peptide peptide in the vial,

16:49Speaker 4roughly 1 in 20 or 25 samples. Okay. Turned out to be just completely something different than it ought to be. Okay.

16:57Speaker 0Is there a particular compound

16:59Speaker 0that you would say is

17:02Speaker 0that's happening the most at, or is it just kinda sporadically

17:05Speaker 0all of them to a degree?

17:09Speaker 4Oh, wow. Well, I have to give a honorable mention to bioglutide,

17:13Speaker 4which if you've heard of it, it's completely made up molecule.

17:17Speaker 4We we

17:18Speaker 4still get an inquiry here and there to test it because someone sold it to someone.

17:24Speaker 4It it always just tests some other GLP 1 or a mixture of them. Right. So that's an honorable mention because I I I

17:32Speaker 4thought that hilarious from the start.

17:36Speaker 4But other than that, it's just

17:39Speaker 4it's just sporadically

17:41Speaker 4this and that. It's it's it's pretty random.

17:44Speaker 4The newer and more the the more rare stuff is, the more it happens, of course. Yep. But

17:52Speaker 4there's no no rule of thumb that 1 could apply as far as I can tell. Because there is probably a rule of thumb if we're talking about hormones like primabolin

18:01Speaker 3and Anovar.

18:02Speaker 3Right? And my guess is those 2, you see

18:07Speaker 3the most coming in as not them when people think it is.

18:10Speaker 3How about on the hormone side? Not really. No? What do you what do you see there? Not really.

18:16Speaker 4While a lot of methanalone

18:18Speaker 4and oxandrolone.

18:19Speaker 4Yeah. Primoble and Anavar, they come in

18:23Speaker 4as claimed.

18:25Speaker 4We're not seeing That's good. We're not seeing much different stuff than we're not seeing

18:31Speaker 4a significantly

18:32Speaker 4higher percent of replacements with those, which is quite surprising, to be honest.

18:37Speaker 4There are there are particularities like when there was there was a drop

18:43Speaker 4with

18:44Speaker 4raw powders coming from China when there was no Drosstanolone,

18:48Speaker 4no Yeah. Yeah. Mastron Mastron. Being made. Yeah. So we've seen that replaced with something else a lot. And oftentimes, it was something that was even more expensive than the Drosstanolone itself.

18:59Speaker 4So I assume it was just people desperate to feel orders. Yeah. Not not

19:05Speaker 4Not fancy. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the funny thing with methanol on the primobulin is, you know, those famous

19:12Speaker 4Bayer, primobolins, these amps,

19:15Speaker 4They're probably the most faked anabolic steroid in the world. Yeah. Like, if we receive if we receive the Remobolans vial or Remobolans ampule Yeah.

19:25Speaker 4The the it's, like, over 90% chance that it's contained in nothing but beer oil. Oh, wow. Like, 90%.

19:32Speaker 4Wow. Not even BA or BC. Yeah.

19:34Speaker 4Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

19:36Speaker 4and and they're made perfectly. Like, it's it's it's it's knee impossible to tell them from originals. Sure. Oftentimes, they're really perfectly made. They they just contain nothing whatsoever.

19:47Speaker 3China's got good at making Yeah.

19:49Speaker 4What's the theory? Yeah. Yeah. I I have the theory that if someone managed to get as good at faking the labels, the ampoules,

19:57Speaker 4and

19:58Speaker 4the boxes,

20:00Speaker 4they figure if they get caught, the the worst case, they got

20:05Speaker 4got sued for trademark infringement or something like that, and they don't get sued for

20:10Speaker 4unlawful possession and manufacture of anabolics.

20:14Speaker 3So they figure it's just risk management for them or something. But that's just my theory this is 1 theory of mine. Right. Why invest all of your money into making the fake packaging when you could invest all your money into making remaking the actual substance, but the actual substance is more risky.

20:30Speaker 4Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Hardly. Yeah. So

20:34Speaker 4you'll you'll have a much better chance of running into a real methanol on

20:38Speaker 4in a dirty in a dirty, oily 10 milliliter vial

20:43Speaker 4than

20:44Speaker 4in the fancy ampoules. Oh, wow. In a in a in a very real looking boxes. Of course. That's been our experience

20:52Speaker 0regarding that. Are you, would you say that, America

20:56Speaker 0is where you get the majority of your

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21:33Speaker 1with your chief financial playmaker,

21:35Speaker 1Fernando Mendoza.

21:37Speaker 2You are worthy of financial security.

21:40Speaker 2Budgeting is not restriction.

21:42Speaker 2It's freedom.

21:44Speaker 2You are smart.

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22:04Speaker 0or is it just pretty much just all over? Because I know that you do test probably everywhere, so is it America that takes the lead? I do know exactly. Right.

22:13Speaker 4We do have a we do have actually a

22:17Speaker 4presentation online for media because

22:20Speaker 4at some point, we started getting so many media inquiries that I made a presentation for them,

22:26Speaker 4and I made a I made a list by revenue. And more roughly 0.667 of my business is coming from US. Yeah. Okay. Very good. And roughly 20%

22:37Speaker 4is coming from China.

22:39Speaker 4So these 2 are obvious because The US, they are the biggest consumer market

22:44Speaker 4economy. They they have the

22:46Speaker 4the economical power of The United States is incomparable with anything else in the world. Yeah. And there's obvious

22:55Speaker 4cultural

22:56Speaker 4stuff like performance enhancing drugs,

22:58Speaker 4being thin, living healthy, and stuff like that. That's so much more

23:05Speaker 4culturally

23:06Speaker 4native to The US than, for example, Europe.

23:10Speaker 4So and, of course, there's this thing, especially regarding GLP-1s,

23:14Speaker 4the weight loss peptides. Yeah. Right. It's

23:17Speaker 4they're incredibly more expensive in The US Mhmm. Compared to everywhere rest everywhere else in the world. So it just makes more sense for people over there to acquire them of the gray and black market. Sure. Yeah. Then China, but 20%

23:33Speaker 3of your business comes from China. Is that because a lot of the manufacturing is China, and and who's sending it in is the actual manufacturers

23:41Speaker 4in China? Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. We we we do serve

23:46Speaker 4manufacturers

23:47Speaker 4and warehouses directly in China too. Yeah. Because

23:52Speaker 4their their clients, they don't want their own CEREC certificate of analysis

23:56Speaker 4Yeah. Because they don't trust them.

24:00Speaker 4A lot of a lot of warehouses

24:02Speaker 4and etcetera, they don't have their own labs in China.

24:05Speaker 4And

24:06Speaker 4the

24:07Speaker 4they prefer they like working with us because we have a very fast line of communication with China.

24:13Speaker 4For example, from China, if you decide to have something tested on Monday,

24:17Speaker 4you can you can you might be able to get your results by Wednesday or Thursday. Wow.

24:22Speaker 0That's So

24:23Speaker 4so so it's alright for the production. They can't get the stuff done much faster anywhere else on the in the world. So

24:31Speaker 4and they're used to they're used to working with us.

24:35Speaker 4And, of course, the manufacturers,

24:37Speaker 4they're extremely high volume customers.

24:40Speaker 4Yeah. So let's

24:42Speaker 4say we have 50

24:44Speaker 4huge customers

24:46Speaker 4in China,

24:48Speaker 4and they're making up 20%

24:50Speaker 4of our volume by revenue.

24:53Speaker 4But

24:54Speaker 4in The US, we might have

24:57Speaker 010,000.

24:58Speaker 4I would say 60,000

25:00Speaker 4different clients so far. Mhmm. So Oh, small. It's it's spread through

25:05Speaker 4many

25:07Speaker 0more people Yeah. Or companies in The US. For sure. How important do you think the purity percentage

25:14Speaker 0really matters? Like, for example,

25:16Speaker 0if you test a compound and you, how important is it coming back at 99% compared

25:22Speaker 0to say like a 95%?

25:24Speaker 0Is that something that actually really matters, especially in peptides?

25:28Speaker 0Everybody wants 99, 100%,

25:31Speaker 0but 1, is that common? 2, if it's under the, well, let's say it comes back at 95, is that actually a big difference from your standpoint?

25:42Speaker 4Well,

25:44Speaker 4if you look at the pharmaceutical standards, for example, for human growth hormone,

25:49Speaker 4you notice that the pharma requirement is 89%

25:52Speaker 4of

25:53Speaker 4peptide purity. Yep.

25:54Speaker 4So

25:56Speaker 4that's an interesting point of view

25:59Speaker 4to the discussion.

26:00Speaker 0Sure.

26:01Speaker 4Regarding regarding whether 95 or 99%

26:04Speaker 4is alright,

26:06Speaker 4it's

26:07Speaker 4I don't dare to judge on the judge on that. It's mostly

26:11Speaker 4the customer's decision. They if they want the number,

26:15Speaker 4they're gonna pay to people who attain it. So it's

26:20Speaker 4it's basically the market choice that people vote with their wallets,

26:23Speaker 4and they choose the highest possible

26:27Speaker 4Yeah. Purity.

26:28Speaker 3And this 99 Of course. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead.

26:32Speaker 4Yeah. There's a there's a different

26:35Speaker 4methodology between laboratories.

26:37Speaker 4For example, you have a lot of these small laboratories that are not don't shy away from outputting a 100%

26:44Speaker 4pure result,

26:46Speaker 4which is physically impossible.

26:49Speaker 4The just the basic laws of thermodynamics

26:52Speaker 4and stuff like that. It just doesn't let the soil of bristle be.

26:57Speaker 0It's awesome.

27:01Speaker 4And

27:03Speaker 4then,

27:04Speaker 4of course, the purity itself is quite an elusive term

27:09Speaker 4because the purity in the peptide world,

27:12Speaker 4it means something different compared to everyone else. So

27:16Speaker 4that deserves an explanation of its own because what you're seeing in the vial,

27:20Speaker 4is just sugar. It's mannitol sucrose,

27:23Speaker 4which is there

27:24Speaker 4for manufacturing

27:26Speaker 4and longevity purposes,

27:28Speaker 4like,

27:30Speaker 4it really helps with the drying out the peptide in the vial, to put it simply. And

27:36Speaker 4the actual peptide is the tiny speck that's not even visible in there usually.

27:42Speaker 4So

27:43Speaker 4if you

27:45Speaker 4defined purity

27:46Speaker 4as the amount of peptide in total amount of stuff inside the vial, we would get some oftentimes, we would get stuff like 1% or 2% pure. Yeah. Yeah. So

27:57Speaker 4it's not done like that. What is done is really that the purity in

28:02Speaker 4in the peptide world means is

28:04Speaker 4the all peptides, they have a common property. All peptides are made of amino acids that are connected with a peptide bond,

28:12Speaker 4And this peptide bond is something you can see when being tested by the HPLC.

28:17Speaker 0And

28:18Speaker 4there is no peptide in the world whether you cannot see it or when you look at the peptide bonds. So basically,

28:24Speaker 4when you're testing and you focus on that region

28:27Speaker 4and you just

28:29Speaker 4test and you get all the peptides

28:31Speaker 4that are in the sample

28:33Speaker 4and you just

28:35Speaker 4sum up the number and then you take out your target peptide, what you're looking for. So if you get arbitrary signal of 100 and your peptide has

28:46Speaker 4signal of 993,

28:49Speaker 4that's basically the peptide purity that's defined. And then you have 7 thousands of signal that is not attributed

28:55Speaker 4to your target peptide. So that's what the purity means. It's just peptide impurities.

29:00Speaker 0Mhmm.

29:00Speaker 4You could you also

29:02Speaker 4have a lot of sugar, like the medical sucrose.

29:05Speaker 4Well, lot, relatively, it's still milligrams

29:09Speaker 4in your sample, but you cannot see it when you're looking at the peptide bond. It's just invisible. It's below

29:15Speaker 4any sort of stuff you can see.

29:18Speaker 4So but that's also not something that's

29:21Speaker 4of interest to anyone. Yeah. So the testing actually works pretty well like this.

29:26Speaker 3Well, that's interesting. That's true. You had a question? I don't okay. I guess I had a specific well,

29:33Speaker 3the other things that people are testing peptides for. Right? So endotoxins,

29:41Speaker 3residual solvents,

29:42Speaker 3heavy metals,

29:44Speaker 3sterility.

29:46Speaker 3Do you mind

29:47Speaker 3here's, I guess, 1 question is,

29:49Speaker 3how bad

29:51Speaker 3are these actually?

29:54Speaker 3Is there any way to quantify how bad they are? I don't know if you can really, you know, tell us exactly how bad they are, but and

30:01Speaker 3and how important are those to be tested for in your opinion?

30:06Speaker 3And how important

30:08Speaker 3yeah. What are the ramifications of having those in a bottle?

30:13Speaker 4Well,

30:14Speaker 4it's,

30:15Speaker 4of course, naturally, it would be good for my business to tell everyone how important this test it is. But in my opinion, most of it is completely useless, and I'm pretty open to people about it. Yeah. For example, the peptide in peptides, the heavy metals are not involved in the manufacture at all. There's no reason for them to be in there. We've tested, I think, thousands of them already. We haven't had a single positive yet.

30:40Speaker 4They might they might come, but it had not come yet. Okay.

30:44Speaker 4You also the peptides

30:46Speaker 4are also used in such miniscule amounts.

30:49Speaker 4It's not like it's drinking water or foods. Yeah. So

30:53Speaker 4so if you have some miniscule amount of heavy metals because nowadays,

30:57Speaker 4the testing techniques, the ICTMS

31:00Speaker 4is a testing technique for heavy metals.

31:03Speaker 4And if you measure

31:05Speaker 4anything in the world,

31:07Speaker 4it get it can be sensitive enough to hit to hit positive for all sorts of heavy metals. Sure. You could probably find out uranium in your drinking water. Right. But

31:16Speaker 4it's it's it doesn't mean it's it doesn't mean it's dangerous at those levels.

31:21Speaker 0Mhmm. So

31:23Speaker 4the fact that the the there is a positive hit in something doesn't really mean it's dangerous.

31:29Speaker 4You have to take a look at the levels. And most of the labs there are many labs I've noticed that

31:36Speaker 4have claims like 60%

31:38Speaker 4of tested peptides contain heavy metals. Right. While

31:42Speaker 4basically every single

31:44Speaker 4everything in this world contains at least some Right. Heavy metals. It's just even distribute some distribution of the of items in the universe. Yeah.

31:54Speaker 4Like that. But

31:57Speaker 4yeah. But the levels are so far from anything. The I could not find a single

32:04Speaker 4publication

32:05Speaker 4or lab result or anything

32:08Speaker 4that would point out to a level that could be even remotely dangerous to any living thing, let alone

32:15Speaker 4an adult human. Wow. Is

32:18Speaker 0so interesting. Tactics to some of the other Well, yeah, I'm glad that we're talking about this because I think people need to hear it because,

32:24Speaker 0you know, people are using that as a sell ploy and all these things. So basically,

32:28Speaker 0another way to put it is people should be worried about things like seed oils and Doritos and sugars a lot more than

32:35Speaker 0what they're worried about coming through in peptides. Maybe the only fear you should have is, are you getting it dosed?

32:41Speaker 0Is it the peptide that you ordered? And 2, are you is it dosed to a degree where you're it's gonna work for you? Other than that, don't don't worry about it.

32:49Speaker 0Right? Yeah, that's exactly like the best value test by far is the identity and the dose. Mhmm. Which is what I always tell the people. This is the best value that you could get. Everything else is

33:00Speaker 0rather optional

33:02Speaker 0because

33:03Speaker 0up until recently

33:05Speaker 0and I I I had the same I I said the same thing about endotoxins.

33:10Speaker 0Okay. That I said about heavy metals. Okay. Again, endotoxins,

33:14Speaker 4the part of a bacterial cell wall,

33:17Speaker 4and they can be a real issue because, for example, when you have peptides such as human growth hormone,

33:24Speaker 4the go to manufacturing method was growing it in E. Coli bacteria.

33:28Speaker 4Because it is so long and so big, it's impossible to manufacture

33:33Speaker 4by a different way other than bioengineering.

33:36Speaker 4And the E coli is a bacteria we know very well. It's the scientist's best friend for decades now.

33:43Speaker 4And you can force it to grow human growth hormones for you, but it's a bacteria that has endotoxin

33:49Speaker 4in its cell wall. So if you don't purify your human growth hormone or anything else you make in this bacteria,

33:56Speaker 4you're gonna end up with a bunch of it in in in your in your product.

34:02Speaker 4So

34:05Speaker 4this is why endotoxin in peptides

34:07Speaker 4was a real worry for a while. But nowadays, all these peptides are made with solid phase synthesis,

34:14Speaker 4which is has absolutely nothing to do with bacteria.

34:19Speaker 4Well, that's So I always thought that testing for endotoxin is pretty moot,

34:24Speaker 4like, not really necessary. But then

34:27Speaker 4a couple weeks or months ago, I don't know, that they just flew flew it fly by. Pretty much. I know what We started, yeah, we started getting very

34:35Speaker 0high

34:36Speaker 4results for some of the samples tested. Like, they were severely contaminated

34:40Speaker 4with MHC. Like, not severely enough

34:42Speaker 4because issues to another human.

34:45Speaker 4Mhmm. But

34:46Speaker 4the people, they actually did send the samples in for endotoxin because they were getting local reactions like swelling,

34:53Speaker 4itching, pain,

34:55Speaker 4etcetera, etcetera, which is in line with endotoxin

34:58Speaker 4contamination.

34:59Speaker 4And

35:01Speaker 4the results, they seem to confirm their theory.

35:04Speaker 4So I used to say the same thing like that. I think the endotoxin is pretty useless. We just started

35:09Speaker 4doing it because the people, they kept asking us to do so despite my pleas to stop. Yeah.

35:16Speaker 4And

35:18Speaker 4stop giving me their money. I I tried to make them, but I couldn't. And

35:24Speaker 4then recently, it turned out that I was wrong.

35:27Speaker 4Apparently,

35:28Speaker 4it's possible to screw up so hard Yeah. That

35:31Speaker 3I'm that I was wrong about the issue. So what do you think they did? They started using using creating these peptides using some other method besides

35:40Speaker 3solid phase synthesis?

35:42Speaker 0Yeah. Was there something that showed that Definitely,

35:45Speaker 4there's nothing more economical than solid phase synthesis. So

35:48Speaker 4when you're looking at stuff like this, you always go by the economics.

35:52Speaker 4And

35:53Speaker 4they're doing solid phase synthesis. I have no doubt about that because of the cheapest and most economical way to do that.

35:59Speaker 4So

36:01Speaker 4I think with with the peptides, NAD plus is a different story that I think is the cheapest to make biosynthetically.

36:09Speaker 4So the endotoxin

36:11Speaker 4contamination

36:11Speaker 4might be expected there. But with the GLP-1s,

36:15Speaker 4for example, I think it is just contamination of the manufacturing process. For example, they're using contaminated water or something like that. Oh, right. Makes sense.

36:26Speaker 4We've seen we've seen stuff like

36:29Speaker 4in a Chinese factory that used that paid us to find the trouble.

36:33Speaker 4The Chinese factory had issues with

36:36Speaker 4unknown contaminant showing up in all the samples.

36:39Speaker 4Oh, wow. And it took us a month of investigation

36:44Speaker 4and a lot of money being spent to figure out that

36:48Speaker 4someone was using the wrong detergent to clean the machines. Oh, wow.

36:53Speaker 0And and and this

36:55Speaker 4this answer cost

36:57Speaker 4a Chinese factory owner

37:00Speaker 4more than $150,000

37:02Speaker 4to figure out. Holy crap. Just to give you

37:06Speaker 3an idea about how difficult figuring this stuff can be. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good for the Chinese factory for actually carrying and going to figure it out and spending that $150,000.

37:18Speaker 4Well, they had to they had to

37:21Speaker 4you have to take a lot of samples to figure out where

37:24Speaker 4in the process it is getting introduced.

37:27Speaker 4And then you had to narrow it down and narrow it down.

37:30Speaker 4And it included stopping the working lines.

37:33Speaker 4Just that is insane amount of money. Yeah. Right. The sheer amount of samples, I think it was over 100 samples just tested by us to figure out where it is exactly getting introduced and what it might be. Wow. That's awesome. So

37:48Speaker 4so that was that was a pretty difficult Well, that's a question. Figure out. And we were everyone was really happy when when we found out. So even the endotoxin, it might be something very non obvious.

38:00Speaker 4Okay. Yeah. And I I I bet if they could solve it easily, the factory that the factory that had issues with this, if they could solve it easily, they would because Yeah. Of course, they're losing insane amount of money by having a product they cannot sell. Of course. So that's causing issues to their own customers.

38:16Speaker 0Yeah. It was just 1 factory that you found? Well,

38:21Speaker 4there is this 1 that I'm aware of, but I have to admit it's not possible for me to to keep track Of of that many. Yeah. About all the issues we've we've had. We've had our 1st

38:34Speaker 4thousand samples a day day this month. Oh. We've, like, we we received more than 1000 samples in a day. Wow. And that's the 1st time it happened ever.

38:45Speaker 4And the next week, it happened again and again and again. So,

38:50Speaker 4basically, for the past mod, I'm just trying to keep this all the stuff from falling apart Sure. And people from people people from running away Yeah. As fast as they can. Sure. We we get so much mail that

39:04Speaker 4we had to

39:06Speaker 4actually, 1 of my employees, my lab manager,

39:08Speaker 4she kicked me out of my own office because

39:11Speaker 4they need more room

39:13Speaker 4for

39:14Speaker 4or to receive the packages alone.

39:17Speaker 4Oh, wow. So I I I I had to move my office to a different wing of the building.

39:22Speaker 4So I I just came I just came I I just came to my office this Monday,

39:26Speaker 3and there was just a bunch of packages over there and none of my stuff. That's awesome. It's good to be back. Hey. Well and sorry. We contributed about 30 different samples to that load literally, like, last week. And you got them back to us. Like, I've already gotten I mean, now out of that many samples, I think you guys have already given me about 10, 15 of the results. So shoot.

39:47Speaker 3Despite this busyness,

39:49Speaker 3you turn around fast.

39:51Speaker 4Yeah. We we we try our best, but it's just sort of falling falling on my head all the time. We on top of this workload increasing,

39:59Speaker 4we also get website issues. We are being Of course. We're being DDOs. We we we not only the regular load, which is high enough.

40:08Speaker 4Someone is someone is consistently

40:11Speaker 4attacking our website. Oh, wow.

40:14Speaker 4We DDOs. Like,

40:16Speaker 4yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But

40:18Speaker 4we almost have it handled.

40:21Speaker 4Now we can block all the attacks.

40:23Speaker 4The only issue is that we're blocking, like, 0.5 the customers along with that. So we don't need that bit out. Yeah, man. That's Dude,

40:29Speaker 3we have, in our business, we've got a few businesses, and, like, we get constantly

40:34Speaker 3what we get is fake websites getting popped up that are just they steal all of our logos,

40:41Speaker 3and they basically recreate our website. They do a kind of a shabby job, but then they market it and then, you know, and then our customers accidentally go to that website, buy stuff,

40:50Speaker 3and that money is goodbye. Gone. And then they'll or people will

40:54Speaker 0duplicate My video. They like because I'll do, like, a post of, like, in social media. They'll take that video. Yep. And they'll put their, you know, and then it goes on their website. Website.

41:04Speaker 3People send it to me. Just shoot them. That's me. That's not my company. Or our fake payment addresses. Be like, oh, yeah. They'll they'll create, a a PayPal or Venmo, right, with our logos looks almost identical.

41:16Speaker 3So we're constantly We feel you. Dealing with that stuff too. No fun.

41:21Speaker 0That sucks. The world we live in. Mean,

41:24Speaker 4I mean, we had the same. We had a couple of websites. Yeah. Like, instead of janoszig.com,

41:29Speaker 4that it was janoszhukyeah..com

41:31Speaker 4or something like some other other different sign.

41:34Speaker 4And we got a but oh, we have the pro we we got good lawyers for that, so we usually can get them shut down within the day. Yeah. Yeah. So we a team that does that too.

41:45Speaker 3Hey. So back to this so I'm looking at right now a sample of of human growth hormone. Now you did say that that is a long obviously, that's a 191 amino acids in it in it.

41:54Speaker 3Did you say it has to be grown in E. Coli? And I don't know if that's exactly what you said there, but I do. I have

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43:01Speaker 3so I'm looking at this test and it says 96,

43:05Speaker 396.8%,

43:07Speaker 3pure.

43:08Speaker 3With human growth hormone, am I right that you're never really gonna see a 99%

43:14Speaker 3pure or is there and what's the reason?

43:18Speaker 4Well, the human growth hormone, they can actually now make it in more microorganism

43:23Speaker 4than E. Coli, but the E. Coli is still the cheapest 1. But the fancy like Serrano, I think, cerostin, they can grow it in

43:33Speaker 4some sort of a different cell line that doesn't have endotoxin at all. Okay. So they do that because they want to be all fancy and save up on endotoxin

43:41Speaker 4cleanup.

43:42Speaker 4But

43:43Speaker 4given it's so big, the

43:45Speaker 4the peptide, the human growing hormone is so big, there's a lot more stuff that can go wrong. Sure.

43:50Speaker 4And and the things going wrong, they call it post translational

43:55Speaker 4modification

43:55Speaker 4oftentimes.

43:57Speaker 4Mhmm.

43:58Speaker 4Which is a fancy word for something that is after

44:01Speaker 4it's been made. So whether it's degradation,

44:05Speaker 4so that can be oxidation and stuff like that. Just

44:09Speaker 4stuff existing,

44:11Speaker 4the thermodynamics,

44:13Speaker 4they screw with that all sorts,

44:15Speaker 4and

44:17Speaker 4everything degrades in real time. It's impossible to have anything 100%.

44:22Speaker 4Right. Then you have these incredibly stable substances that don't really degrade, like

44:28Speaker 4a famous 1 particularly famous 1 is gold. It's so precious because it doesn't degrade.

44:33Speaker 4Mhmm. Everything else does, basically. And

44:37Speaker 4with human growth hormone being so big, there's a lot of places where it can go wrong. So it's really difficult to keep it real up high. We've had we've tested more than 99%

44:48Speaker 4human growth hormone.

44:51Speaker 4We did have a standard like that.

44:54Speaker 4They said the

44:56Speaker 4European Pharmacopoeia

44:58Speaker 4I don't know how the company is called, EDQM

45:01Speaker 4or European

45:03Speaker 4Directorate for Quality of Medicines.

45:06Speaker 4Pardon. It's

45:08Speaker 4supragovernmental

45:09Speaker 4authority on medicines in Europe

45:11Speaker 4and they sell standards like testing standards for medicines. And they also sell a human growth hormone standard.

45:18Speaker 4And they delivered us delivered it to us on dry ice.

45:23Speaker 4Like, they they they

45:24Speaker 4bring you this box that's minus 50 degrees Celsius.

45:28Speaker 4You open it. You have all this.

45:30Speaker 4Well,

45:31Speaker 4it's not smoke. I don't know. Mist from c o 2 evaporating

45:36Speaker 4from dry ice.

45:38Speaker 4And it was pretty cool, so we just hurried to test it right away. Yeah. And it tested over 99%.

45:45Speaker 4We might even had a sample like that,

45:48Speaker 4but it's definitely it's definitely

45:52Speaker 4a rare occurrence.

45:54Speaker 4Yeah. I said earlier, for human growth hormone, the standard is like

45:59Speaker 4the pharmaceutically

46:00Speaker 4permitted 1. 89.

46:02Speaker 4Odd manufacture

46:03Speaker 4is 89%

46:05Speaker 4of peptide purity.

46:07Speaker 4So over the final product. Usually

46:11Speaker 4when we test human growth hormone,

46:13Speaker 4it's between 9296%.

46:17Speaker 4That's what that's what the market standard is. Awesome.

46:20Speaker 4Cool. That's great. Do

46:22Speaker 0you feel, do you how often do you,

46:24Speaker 0run-in into issues if a company sends you some compounds and they don't come back like they had wished? Do you have to have a department that deals with some angry customers, or is it not really common for them to

46:38Speaker 3to to give you If

46:40Speaker 4you had to question your It depends on how you all decide. If they Right. If they get angry enough, they rise all to the top to to me.

46:50Speaker 4So so I deal with the cream of the crop.

46:56Speaker 4That's awesome. Just today just today, some company, they sold the Boldenon

47:00Speaker 4instead of dihydro Dihydro Boldenon to someone,

47:05Speaker 4And

47:06Speaker 4they had an and the customer that it the they confronted him.

47:10Speaker 4They could they confronted

47:12Speaker 4the vendor with that, with my findings. And

47:15Speaker 4the vendor, they had an AI. You you know how you can tell AI by using the long,

47:20Speaker 4I don't know how they're called, but not the minus. But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

47:26Speaker 4Slash. The long minus sign. Right. Long slashes.

47:29Speaker 4You can tell you can tell by long slashes everywhere.

47:32Speaker 0Mhmm. And

47:36Speaker 4and

47:39Speaker 4they basically had task AI with

47:42Speaker 4figuring out the to what to tell, and you could oh, we have an ancient equipment that cannot tell Boldenon and Dihedra Boldenon apart. Oh, wow. And, of course, I'm also associated with their competition.

47:55Speaker 4I wish I knew who it was. Yeah. Yeah.

48:00Speaker 4And but oftentimes,

48:02Speaker 4I I still deal with the angriest of the customers

48:05Speaker 4mostly because we

48:07Speaker 4also scrub the analytical chemistry in dealing with thousands of samples. Yeah. And the analytical chemistry is just so so difficult thing.

48:17Speaker 4And we we we also have people working, and people made mistakes.

48:21Speaker 4So if if we suspect we might have screwed up something, I always prefer to review it Sure. To make sure we didn't screw up because,

48:32Speaker 4well, we do screw up. It's we're just screwing up way less than everybody else.

48:37Speaker 4That

48:39Speaker 4that that's why we are where we are right now, but I still like to keep on top of it. Yeah. So I deal with a lot of stuff with a lot of angry people personally.

48:49Speaker 4It's

48:49Speaker 4it's pretty difficult in my mental state, but

48:56Speaker 4I'm pulling through somehow.

48:57Speaker 0Yeah.

48:59Speaker 0As,

49:00Speaker 0you know, Americans, as I'm sure you know what's going on with some of our regulations and the gray area that we swim within,

49:07Speaker 0as the regulations

49:08Speaker 0start to kind of tighten up

49:11Speaker 0and

49:12Speaker 0research

49:13Speaker 0companies

49:15Speaker 0kind of going up against the like government and 503B and whatnot,

49:19Speaker 0do you think the tighter regulations are going to actually clean up the industry or kind of destroy access to

49:27Speaker 0Americans with cheaper peptides as you said? Like America, if you go through a typical

49:32Speaker 0doctor, so to speak,

49:34Speaker 0you're gonna pay 3 times, if not more,

49:37Speaker 0cost and where people are finding them cheaper is research companies.

49:41Speaker 0Do you think that that's gonna cause a problem with the research companies from your knowledge if you have the knowledge of what's kind of we're dealing with here in America?

49:50Speaker 4Well,

49:51Speaker 4I do have a rather good idea, and I also have a rather good idea of how war on drugs worked out.

49:59Speaker 4And So

50:00Speaker 4Great. No doubt. And they can make up a lot yeah. They can make up a lot more convincing reasons. Sure. On war on drugs than on than war on appetites. Sure. Especially

50:12Speaker 4when you have so

50:14Speaker 4many people. Like, there's probably tens of millions of people at this point who have experience with them in The United States. Lot of Yeah. They love them. So it it it would be rather difficult to justify criminalizing

50:26Speaker 4all these people. Of course, they can go after research compound chemicals, but

50:30Speaker 0There's so many. Ostracized.

50:32Speaker 4Like yeah. There's so many of them. It's not ostracized like drug deals, like narcotics.

50:39Speaker 4So I can't really imagine the government suddenly fighting success in this field when they couldn't in

50:47Speaker 4in places where it's politically much more easier to push through.

50:51Speaker 4Yeah. But that's just my opinion. Not like I'm an expert on The US politics. It's just Yeah. What I've gathered from

50:58Speaker 4I've been doing I've been in this field for

51:02Speaker 4most of my life. I've been I I I I've I'm at the point when I've been doing this for

51:08Speaker 4probably longer than I've not been doing this, and I'm including it. That's awesome. Time when I was an infant.

51:15Speaker 0I mean, it's I I just crazy how you kinda had the foresight, whether it was

51:20Speaker 0methodical or not for you to see kinda where you're at. I mean, being 16, 17, like you said, and starting this with just some buddies to where you're at now, man, that is a

51:30Speaker 0it is a very cool thing to see, man.

51:32Speaker 0I got a 2 part question for you. 1st off, I'm I'm really curious, and I'm assuming I know the answer, but do you enjoy what you do?

51:39Speaker 0I'm I always like to hear that. Number 2,

51:42Speaker 0what is the craziest thing you have ever seen come across your desk?

51:47Speaker 4Wow.

51:49Speaker 4I do thoroughly enjoy doing what I'm doing because

51:53Speaker 4I could have retired years ago. Mhmm. But

51:56Speaker 4I have no idea what else I would do. I mean Right.

52:00Speaker 4This is fun. I like it. I like I like solving through trouble. I mean, it's difficult for me to be happy

52:08Speaker 4about

52:09Speaker 4I don't I don't enjoy drugs. I don't enjoy drinking. I get always too sick of it.

52:16Speaker 0Yeah.

52:17Speaker 4My my hobbies are taking walks and sports, and you can only do that so so so much through a day. So it's the walk is remaining.

52:26Speaker 4And I really, really love finding about finding new things, finding about new stuff, figuring out how to test the new compound,

52:32Speaker 4finding out more about that Right. Fixing some issue

52:37Speaker 4to a point, like, when 0.5 your lap falls apart in a single day. That's that's not something that can be reasonably enjoyed.

52:43Speaker 4Mm-mm.

52:44Speaker 4That's awesome. We when we have days, like, when when we have 6 machines throughout an error, and I have to deal with that, I I do not enjoy that. But

52:54Speaker 4it's still still, you know, you fix the machine, you make something work, you figure out how to

53:00Speaker 4set up the place to receive thousand peptides

53:03Speaker 4in a day.

53:05Speaker 4That's something that's something that's, you know, it's pretty fulfilling. And we get a lot of clients. They

53:12Speaker 4they're very pleasant to work with. They're very grateful for what we do for them. And we get we we have this label in our email with just the

53:21Speaker 4customer

53:23Speaker 4feedback

53:24Speaker 4where we save the most positive ones.

53:27Speaker 4We even have we have people we have a lot of clients that are sending us small gifts.

53:31Speaker 4We get we get a

53:34Speaker 4lot of tiny

53:35Speaker 4plastic animals.

53:37Speaker 4Yeah. I we used

53:39Speaker 4we used to have a client who send us it must have been, like, a 100 kilos of chocolate total. Oh, shit.

53:48Speaker 4Yeah. Yeah. And,

53:49Speaker 4yeah, it's it's just very enjoyable. I cannot imagine doing anything other than business

53:54Speaker 4and death at this point.

53:56Speaker 4Right. And

53:59Speaker 4what's the craziest stuff that passed my table?

54:02Speaker 4Well, I don't know.

54:04Speaker 4Is your podcast

54:05Speaker 4available to people under 18 years old,

54:08Speaker 4or am

54:10Speaker 0I free to share? Oh, yeah. You're free to share. It's pretty it's pretty dull. It doesn't matter. You're good, man. Yep. It's a podcast we're pretty open on it.

54:17Speaker 4Yeah. Well well, many,

54:19Speaker 4many, many years ago, like, in

54:22Speaker 4in the beginning of my career,

54:25Speaker 4still most of the clients were people I knew and I was friends with.

54:30Speaker 4I had a guy who

54:32Speaker 4molded

54:33Speaker 4this giant

54:35Speaker 4plastic penis, and he molded the samples inside of it.

54:39Speaker 4So then I went to pick it up, yeah, in in a in a giant 0.5 a meter long dildo.

54:45Speaker 4And

54:46Speaker 4he just he just put a sample he he had it custom molded and put the had the samples molded inside of it.

54:54Speaker 4So

54:55Speaker 4I declared it, you know, how it works with the customs. You you have to declare them what it contains. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, man. So I was like, okay. This this this stuff contains

55:05Speaker 4I think it was 8 or 9 or 10 samples of anabolic steroid oils. Yeah.

55:11Speaker 0He

55:12Speaker 4feed the entire 10 milliliters inside.

55:14Speaker 4Oh, man. And they're like, the customers are, well, it's not that.

55:19Speaker 4And I'm like, yeah. It's definitely that. I I confirm it with the guy. Well, you better come take a look, mister Magic.

55:26Speaker 4So I came there at the customs,

55:28Speaker 4and you have this bunch of customs officers.

55:34Speaker 4That's hilarious. All red in face waiting for me.

55:38Speaker 4Open it up. Rip out the giant dildo. Oh, man. They they just whip it out

55:43Speaker 4and place it on the table. And they're like, this is not what you declared, mister White.

55:49Speaker 4So This is not steroids. And like This is a penis. I I I yeah. Yeah. I I I took I took a look at it. I mean,

55:58Speaker 4it was it was a pretty weird situation to find myself in. And I I just moved it around a little bit. Oh, man. And I could feel, you know, that inside the plastic, inside the rubber,

56:08Speaker 4there there is a stuff moving. So I just told them, yeah. Hey, can you touch this head and shield it up? Oh, man. That is too funny. Definitely that definitely Definitely.

56:19Speaker 0It definitely fits the craziest. And I was

56:21Speaker 4yeah. And I was I was standing with a straight face to a customs officer,

56:25Speaker 4some sort of a major or something like that. Like, here, please, do grab this dildo, throw me, and tell me what you think.

56:36Speaker 4Yeah.

56:37Speaker 4They they they they could feel the vials, so they just took up a knife and they opened it up and were like,

56:42Speaker 4well, I guess I guess you were right. It's just the packaging was a bit unconventional,

56:47Speaker 4mister Magic.

56:48Speaker 4We apologize about the inconvenience.

56:51Speaker 3Oh, man. Did he say why he did that? I know. Did he did that because he thought he was trying to smuggle the steroids in. Right? Like, essentially, he thought that it would be

57:00Speaker 3the customs wouldn't like him sending the steroids to you. Is that correct? Or did he just do this Wow. For fun? Was,

57:07Speaker 4yeah, it was 0.5 bad and 0.5 or 0.5 to just fuck with me. Oh my god. That's right. That's funny. We we were Good for him. We were really great. Yeah. He was he was he was a great friend. Oh, god. It was it was pretty hilarious. I liked I liked his humor. I'll just say, I can find the humor in that. If if my buddy did that, I would think he was funny. Would think that's funny. Got me, bro. Like, hey. You won that round.

57:29Speaker 3Yeah.

57:30Speaker 4Definitely did.

57:31Speaker 3Well,

57:32Speaker 3shoot. Peter, 1st of all, guess I do have 1 more question. We're running out of time, but I do dude, I love your, like, down to earth, like, logic

57:42Speaker 3in all of your answers. Like, thank you. It's actually really nice to hear somebody just break things down and, well, look at the economics.

57:49Speaker 3This is the right this is why I think people do things. Anyway, I wanted to make that observation. But 2 is how come

57:57Speaker 3you have not if if receiving receiving all these packages and customs is such a pain in the ass, how come you haven't ever relocated to America? And

58:04Speaker 3is it can companies do what you're doing in America, or do they not like because because AMBLOX steroids are absolutely illegal,

58:13Speaker 3Would that pose problems for a company to be doing what you do in America?

58:18Speaker 4Oh, it's not possible at all. You have to get a DA license to deal with anabolics.

58:22Speaker 4Okay. And you're not getting that if you're serving commercial

58:26Speaker 4clients at all. Okay. Right. So

58:29Speaker 4that's not possible. You can test peptides in The US Yeah. As long as they're not scheduled as well. For example, human growth hormone is scheduled. So if you have labs without license that are doing that, they're committing.

58:42Speaker 4Well, I'm not sure if it's outright felony, but they ought not to be doing that. I'm not specialists in that.

58:49Speaker 4And it is the same with many of the peptides because they service performance enhancing drugs, you know, the growth hormones like retagogues, the peptides that make you release more growth hormone.

59:00Speaker 4They're scheduled as well, I believe, in The US. So

59:06Speaker 4the labs, which don't hold the paperwork to deal with this, they shouldn't really be touching that. They're Okay. Legally liable for doing that. Okay. So

59:16Speaker 4it's testing GLP-1s

59:19Speaker 4is

59:21Speaker 4legally alright as far as I can tell, but

59:24Speaker 4you don't need that much of an equipment to deal the same 3 peptides over and over again.

59:30Speaker 0So

59:32Speaker 4and

59:33Speaker 4what to my surprise, a lot of the small labs in The US can screw even that up pretty badly.

59:39Speaker 4Mean,

59:41Speaker 4I mean, nothing nothing that we do is that difficult, really. Mhmm. What's difficult is just keeping it all together. Yeah. You have to keep up the international

59:50Speaker 4logistics,

59:51Speaker 4the customs,

59:53Speaker 4the paperwork for scheduled substances because everything

59:57Speaker 4we test is scheduled in Czech Republic.

1:00:00Speaker 4Or every single peptide GLP ones, they're treated the same way as anabolics over here. Oh, wow. Good. So

1:00:07Speaker 4we're we're we're the highest security level most likely there is commercially in this country. We have security cameras and everything.

1:00:14Speaker 4Yeah. Everywhere the you have to put your chip to each door to be able to enter

1:00:21Speaker 4because the government, they just tell us they want us to do that. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:00:28Speaker 4then you have to have

1:00:30Speaker 4imagine just receiving

1:00:32Speaker 4400 packages in a single day. You have to have so much stuff on hand just to open up the packages, let alone

1:00:40Speaker 4classify them to orders and everything.

1:00:45Speaker 4Actually, opening up the packages properly.

1:00:48Speaker 4Yeah. It's taking up more time than the actual testing.

1:00:51Speaker 4Yeah. Well, that's crazy.

1:00:54Speaker 4Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just just just keeping

1:00:57Speaker 4everything smooth, logistically, is the most difficult part. It's it's Heard the I mean, it's pretty easy if you're getting 10 or 50 samples Right. Yeah. A week.

1:01:08Speaker 4Yeah. But once you

1:01:10Speaker 4start getting so many samples, they stop fitting a single room. Mhmm.

1:01:16Speaker 4Organization is key. Yeah.

1:01:18Speaker 4Yeah. Yeah. That's the that's the most difficult part. What that's what the scaling is the issues we are facing right now. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Dude, that's amazing. Can you your lab?

1:01:29Speaker 3I'm just asking, is that a possibility? Is like, could JD and I come visit your lab?

1:01:35Speaker 3Because you said that some you have people visiting. Right?

1:01:39Speaker 4Yeah. I mean, we're 30 minutes from Prague International Airport,

1:01:43Speaker 4and I pride myself, and we pride ourselves in being very transparent and open. I I love love it. That. So, for example, Monday, we had a lady visit.

1:01:53Speaker 4She even brought a sample with her, which informed

1:01:58Speaker 4her it's a felony

1:02:00Speaker 4in Czechia.

1:02:01Speaker 4Yeah. That's funny. And

1:02:04Speaker 4she could see

1:02:06Speaker 4how the sample is tested right in front of her. Well, that's right. Arrived. She took a walk with me. And before the walk was

1:02:13Speaker 4over,

1:02:14Speaker 4she had the result at hand.

1:02:17Speaker 4So she could see how it's working. Of course, it was prioritized,

1:02:20Speaker 4naturally. It's a different showcase.

1:02:22Speaker 4Yeah. Right. But

1:02:25Speaker 4the actual the actual

1:02:27Speaker 4process

1:02:28Speaker 4is so fast.

1:02:29Speaker 4The tour

1:02:31Speaker 4through all the labs, just the quick visit through all the labs we have That's cool. In in our 20,000

1:02:37Speaker 4square feet Wow. Of

1:02:40Speaker 4of buildings.

1:02:41Speaker 4It's taking longer to just stroll around them than to have

1:02:45Speaker 4sample

1:02:47Speaker 4coming in from arriving to results available.

1:02:50Speaker 0That is so cool. Yeah. We That's sweet. We might take you up on that offer by a steak. Yeah.

1:02:55Speaker 4If you eat steak. What? No. Okay. Good. Just, I just strongly suggest shipping the sample in beforehand.

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1:04:04Speaker 0of committing a felony over here and check feel like going into a Czechia prison. Peter, I that we gotta go, but I wanna I I know that the the listeners would want this, and you might not be able to answer this off the cuff

1:04:16Speaker 0because they're they're worried, you know, like, you know, like, in The United States, just from some of the last few years on what we've all experienced,

1:04:23Speaker 0people have lost some trust in just the Western medicine system and whatnot. So they're seeking things outside of that, which is great, you know, and they're finding things cheaper, which is great. Right?

1:04:33Speaker 0But they are worried, are they getting what they're buying? And if you could answer this, great. If you can't, totally get it off the cuff.

1:04:41Speaker 0On the all the stuff you're testing,

1:04:43Speaker 0do you have, like, a percentage roughly of

1:04:46Speaker 0what is over underdosed compared to what is dosed fine? Like, is it like,

1:04:51Speaker 070, 30, like, 90, 10? Is it can you even answer that? Like, 1 in 20 samples?

1:04:58Speaker 4Well,

1:04:59Speaker 4I do I do remember

1:05:01Speaker 4a statistic I made for myself a couple weeks ago. Awesome. And roughly,

1:05:06Speaker 41 in 20

1:05:07Speaker 4Mhmm. Samples

1:05:09Speaker 4is completely wrong compound, nothing in there,

1:05:12Speaker 4or Okay. Dose is so wrong, it cannot even be considered the same sample anymore. Sure.

1:05:18Speaker 4And, of course, the last couple of weeks, they are screwing it up a little bit because we've received just so many samples that contain nothing at all. Yeah. Okay. It's

1:05:28Speaker 4it's mostly it's not coming in from private persons, though. It's coming in from massive distributors. Like Okay. They're looking for new suppliers. Yeah. They they find a supplier. They offer 50 different peptides, so they send all 50 of them to me. Oh, man. And I get this coming in from multiple sites. And suddenly,

1:05:46Speaker 4you have 600 samples that test empty

1:05:49Speaker 0Oh, wow. In

1:05:50Speaker 4a span of 3 weeks.

1:05:52Speaker 4So but they

1:05:54Speaker 4most likely never make it into the Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Yeah. Hopefully. The distributors, they won't buy the batch because they they protested.

1:06:02Speaker 4But that's

1:06:04Speaker 4right now, right the last couple of weeks, the statistic is a little bit skewed by that, actually.

1:06:10Speaker 0That is interesting. And that's a way that's

1:06:13Speaker 0awesome to hear because,

1:06:14Speaker 0for people and Americans that are buying these peptides from

1:06:18Speaker 0research companies,

1:06:20Speaker 0a lot of people fake the the testing, and that's just part is what it is. So as long as you get legit testing in companies that actually test each batch or near, right, you're gonna be fine in regards to that because any company with any type of integrity, if that happened, you're not gonna it ain't gonna get to It didn't test out. And if you had a company that doesn't care or you have a smaller company or whatnot, you

1:06:43Speaker 0you know what I mean? I mean, if it's a company that has integrity that it tests, which costs money,

1:06:49Speaker 0quite a bit of money. So that money just typical supply and demand gets passed on to the customer because they have to test and it cost, but it's worth it to pay a little extra for the companies that are actually legit. So I think that's huge.

1:07:03Speaker 4Yeah. Well, a lot of people a lot of people got into this peptide business because they saw the money in it. Right. They're rather good businessman

1:07:11Speaker 4unlike a lot of people in the anabolic steroid and black box world. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

1:07:18Speaker 4So and they figured very quick. It's cheaper

1:07:21Speaker 4to provide high quality service Absolutely. In the long term than just rebrand every time they screw up or just deal with the

1:07:29Speaker 4customer retention

1:07:30Speaker 4Sure. Because they screwed up hard. Right. So it's just cheaper in the long or even medium run for them to do exceedingly good job.

1:07:39Speaker 4Mhmm. Yeah.

1:07:40Speaker 4Than to try to catch up later on at

1:07:44Speaker 0or to rebrand if they screw up real hard. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Peter, we've kept you on. I know it's getting late there. Last question, and then we'll let you we'll wrap this up.

1:07:55Speaker 0Where do you go from here? Anything new in your future? Do you see any type of changes? Are you just kinda

1:08:01Speaker 0mowed along and and just gonna kinda be just kinda doing what you're doing? Is there any type of growth that you see, any type of compounds that you see, or is it just kinda moving along as you've been?

1:08:12Speaker 4Well, we've grown

1:08:13Speaker 450%

1:08:15Speaker 4Wow. In

1:08:17Speaker 4last 3 months alone.

1:08:19Speaker 4So Damn. That's insane.

1:08:21Speaker 4We're having trouble just adjusting to that. Right. So

1:08:25Speaker 4right now, I'm putting up out fires all day, every day for 16 hours days. And so Yeah.

1:08:32Speaker 4It gets a little better soon. Otherwise, I'll go crazy.

1:08:36Speaker 4And after we we we we got our own NMR machine, which is a very fancy machine that lets you analyze completely unknown stuff.

1:08:45Speaker 4So that

1:08:46Speaker 4was that was over 1000000 dollars. Mhmm. And

1:08:53Speaker 4that's that lets us do a lot more exciting stuff in testing.

1:08:58Speaker 4Yeah. Oh, exciting to me, which is Yeah. Yeah. Which might be a little weird. It is exciting nevertheless.

1:09:05Speaker 4And

1:09:07Speaker 4what I'd like to do at some point is to start up a similar service for

1:09:14Speaker 4drugs drugs as a

1:09:17Speaker 4narcotics just

1:09:19Speaker 4for the sheer harm reduction possibilities. Yeah. They're catching on stuff. There's

1:09:25Speaker 4a there's a lot of noncommercial

1:09:27Speaker 4services that do this. Yeah. There's

1:09:29Speaker 4a government funded labs that do this testing.

1:09:33Speaker 4But

1:09:35Speaker 4if you have a free lab that's the government funded that's testing drugs, for example, dancing drugs, ecstasy or cocaine

1:09:43Speaker 4for people, but they take 2 months to deliver the results. Yeah. Of course, the people have already used it up, but we never

1:09:50Speaker 4whatever

1:09:51Speaker 4the result might end up being. Yes. So

1:09:54Speaker 4I would like I would like to introduce this sort of harm reduction service that's very fast and available to people. Oh, cool.

1:10:02Speaker 4Because

1:10:03Speaker 4well, the entire point of my business was harm reduction.

1:10:07Speaker 4Yeah. And this seems like natural area to expand this to that could help a lot of people. I mean, when I was studying the med school,

1:10:16Speaker 4we we we had this guy who was, like, 20 years old,

1:10:21Speaker 4and he spent a couple weeks in coma and

1:10:25Speaker 4a lot more weeks in the hospital because he he took something that he thought was ecstasy and it didn't turn out to be that. Oh, wow. It screwed up him so badly. It cost him, like,

1:10:36Speaker 4a couple $100,000

1:10:38Speaker 4to hospitalize him, to keep him to keep him in the hospital. Unreal. And all this could be prevented easily just by, you know, the testing like this being available. Yeah. And

1:10:48Speaker 4I'm rather confident we wouldn't even need to be government funded

1:10:52Speaker 4because the people a lot of people, they would gladly pay Yeah. Just to be safer

1:10:57Speaker 4and to be able to make safer decisions.

1:11:00Speaker 4And

1:11:02Speaker 4I would be really happy about being able to help people like this. I mean,

1:11:06Speaker 4I don't judge whoever

1:11:07Speaker 4is using whatever Right. Correct. Drug.

1:11:11Speaker 4But I feel that the current services that are available

1:11:15Speaker 4are not really able to provide the level of harm reduction that's easily possible to provide to people. So that's 1 of the 1 of the spaces I would love to expand. It's just doing the testing,

1:11:26Speaker 4just slightly different. Doing the testing I love, just slightly different, and it's a different way to help people solve their problems Yeah. And help them stay safe. Yeah. Mhmm. So I would love to do that at some point. But, obviously,

1:11:39Speaker 4we've been trying to do that for years, but legally,

1:11:44Speaker 4it's impossible.

1:11:45Speaker 4We're we we we we we we try to influence the lawmaking process in this country just to be able to do that because currently,

1:11:53Speaker 3it's just not legally possible to do this as a as a commercial company. Yeah. Yeah. You need fast turnaround on that too. But, well, that's awesome, dude. I commend you on that. That's both close to JD and I's heart. Like, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of dead friends that we have, to be honest. Like, we've been sober for a while and, like, I we literally,

1:12:14Speaker 3yes, have too many friends that have died. I just we go to funerals pretty often Yes. Because of drugs. So that's a good service.

1:12:22Speaker 4I love it, man. Good for you. So I'm so sorry to hear that. And I would like to, I mean,

1:12:28Speaker 4I did save up a couple of lives by the testing. We've got stuff like Clint Butterol, those thousand times higher than it ought to be,

1:12:36Speaker 4and some other stuff like that. And I feel like in this direction, if I take it up, I could make a lot more difference. Right. For people That's awesome. Yeah. That's so cool. Than than we already do. I mean,

1:12:51Speaker 4there's not much else to achieve for me. I mean, my hobbies are, like, really cheap. I like taking walks

1:12:57Speaker 4and

1:12:58Speaker 4riding riding around riding around the bicycle.

1:13:01Speaker 0So Peter, you're 32, brother. You're 32, and let me just tell you, it only gets worse. Then now it's like 0.5 a walk.

1:13:08Speaker 0I'm 40 I'm 48, so then the the walk turns in 0.5 a walk in 3 naps.

1:13:13Speaker 0I'm joking. It's that kind of

1:13:15Speaker 0boring becomes fun. Yeah. That's my point.

1:13:17Speaker 4Man, you you have been I had my share of I had my share of fun and interesting stuff happening.

1:13:25Speaker 4So I'm

1:13:26Speaker 4not quite I'm now quite content with what I have.

1:13:30Speaker 0Man, you've been an absolute pleasure. We were both really looking forward to this. I I said to Will, I don't know, a couple weeks ago, I'm like, dude, let's keep Peter magic on, like and I sent the email and you got back to me, man. I was really stoked about that, because we've been dealing

1:13:43Speaker 0with you for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. We you guys are amazing. We're not just saying that. You guys are really fast at all your responses and whatnot. So Mhmm. You've earned it, my friend. Yeah. And you literally single handedly basically, like, revolutionized

1:13:56Speaker 0the revolutionized

1:13:58Speaker 0the, like, hormonal

1:14:00Speaker 0you've really just up made everybody

1:14:03Speaker 0level up in all of their production everywhere. Right? Because you said when you started this, nobody was testing anything. Right? And the level of products were shit. Once you introduce testing It pushed people to make go, oh, crap. We better make good stuff. Right? And this trickled down to where we are today. So congratulations.

1:14:20Speaker 3Everybody should take a bow, my friend. Debt of gratitude.

1:14:23Speaker 4Thank you. I I now

1:14:25Speaker 3I'm blushing, really. Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's really cool, man. And, so thank you so much. Hopefully,

1:14:32Speaker 0we can get out there,

1:14:33Speaker 0honestly, and,

1:14:35Speaker 0see your facility. And like I said, take you to to a nice dinner and break some bread, so to speak. And you seem like good people, man, and, that's what we like to hang with. So Yeah. Bless you, my friend. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on.

1:14:48Speaker 0Well, please do come over and let me know. I'll be looking forward to that. And thank you too. It's been a real pleasure for me as well. Cool. Alright, brother. Well, blessings to you. And then everybody else, we will this will be dropping on Monday. We'll send that this to you, Peter, and get you in the next round. I apologize. It's probably gonna bring you a little bit more business and make you more busy, so we're sorry.

1:15:08Speaker 4Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm already a bit scared of that. Yeah. We we will need to hire a lot more people Yeah. As soon as we can. Yeah.

1:15:16Speaker 0Alright, man. Take care. Care, brother. Okay, guys. Take the next round. Thank you very much. See you. See you.