Peptide of the Week: Are Your Peptides Real? With Peter Magic of Janoshik
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1:09  Speaker 0:  Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Across the way, like always, my good friend, mister William
1:17  Speaker 0:  Teahouse. What's up? Today,
1:19  Speaker 0:  we got a big we it's a big day. I've been excited. We've been excited about this. Our viewers are have been excited about this because we have been letting them know, but, we have Peter Magic,
1:30  Speaker 0:  who is the owner of Janoschick,
1:32  Speaker 0:  which is basically
1:33  Speaker 0:  the most well known testing facility out there. You know, you have some other ones popping up, obviously, but
1:39  Speaker 0:  you've been around forever as long as I've been in this game. I mean, Will and I have talked about your company for a long, long time. You used GHND. It's it's exciting to talk with you. I know you are currently it's like 07:30 your time. You live in Prague, which is in The Czech Republic. So, thank you for
1:55  Speaker 0:  staying up for us and jumping on the podcast. No problem.
1:59  Speaker 4:  So
2:00  Speaker 0:  we're excited to have you. You guys have me. Yeah. We're excited to have you. I know that the
2:06  Speaker 0:  world of peptides
2:07  Speaker 0:  is growing
2:09  Speaker 0:  fast,
2:10  Speaker 0:  but you've been in the game for a very long time off camera. You told us you've been doing this since you were 16. So, Peter, really quickly for the people that don't know who you are, in your own words, tell us who you are, what you do.
2:23  Speaker 4:  Well,
2:24  Speaker 4:  Bitmagic and
2:26  Speaker 4:  own Nanosheat Limited,
2:28  Speaker 4:  which is a company,
2:30  Speaker 4:  that's doing analytical chemistry that's basically testing,
2:34  Speaker 4:  mostly hormonal substances.
2:37  Speaker 4:  We started out testing mostly performance enhancing drugs such as anabolic steroids.
2:42  Speaker 4:  And
2:43  Speaker 4:  along with that came the 1st peptides such as the human growth hormone
2:48  Speaker 0:  Mhmm.
2:49  Speaker 4:  Or
2:50  Speaker 4:  related peptides, growth hormone releasing peptides, peptides,
2:53  Speaker 4:  or
2:54  Speaker 4:  Melanotan and similar ones.
2:56  Speaker 4:  Mhmm.
2:57  Speaker 4:  Nowadays nowadays, the peptides actually do make up a majority
3:01  Speaker 4:  of the samples we test.
3:03  Speaker 4:  Sure. Especially with the advent of GLP ones.
3:06  Speaker 4:  So I believe, at the moment, we're by far the biggest laboratory that does this in the world. We have
3:14  Speaker 4:  over 20,000 square feet of space
3:17  Speaker 4:  and over 40 employees
3:19  Speaker 4:  right now.
3:20  Speaker 3:  That's awesome. That's impressive. I have known you guys. I've been doing ever since I've been in this business, and I feel like maybe 12, 15 years or something like that, I've been sending tests into you,
3:31  Speaker 3:  starting with anabolic steroids.
3:34  Speaker 3:  Hey. So you were young, obviously. Look at you.
3:39  Speaker 3:  Tell us how you how you ended up starting this company because you had to have been a young young man. And and what kind of background did you have? And why? And why did you start it?
3:49  Speaker 4:  Well, I had no background in this at all. I was just your regular scrawny kid.
3:55  Speaker 4:  And I figured
3:58  Speaker 4:  if I want to get popular with the ladies, I ought to take a weightlifting or something.
4:03  Speaker 4:  So
4:05  Speaker 4:  given my education,
4:06  Speaker 4:  I had an education at Bilingual English School, like a British school in Slovakia.
4:13  Speaker 4:  I go I was really fluent in English, so I started looking up my information on English message boards.
4:19  Speaker 4:  And, obviously, when you start looking at the Internet forums,
4:23  Speaker 4:  even 15 years ago or long or more,
4:28  Speaker 4:  you get around with people who that the performance
4:31  Speaker 4:  enhancing drug use so pervasive. You will just come around that, and I befriended many people. I'm actually still in contact with many of the people I met more than 15 years ago online Sounds good. When I was just starting out lifting.
4:44  Speaker 4:  And
4:46  Speaker 4:  they all had this issue. Like, they
4:49  Speaker 4:  a lot of them were using this performance enhancing drugs.
4:54  Speaker 4:  Nobody had any idea what sort of stuff is actually
4:59  Speaker 4:  in
5:00  Speaker 4:  the products they're using. They bought something, but they had no guarantees gray or black market even if you're in The UK or Slovakia. Back then, the personal use wasn't criminalized.
5:10  Speaker 4:  Mhmm. It was not a crime to use them.
5:13  Speaker 4:  But
5:14  Speaker 4:  even so, there was no regulation.
5:16  Speaker 4:  There were no testing labs that accepted private customers,
5:20  Speaker 4:  private. Mhmm. They they were difficult to deal with. Like, they only did b to b.
5:26  Speaker 4:  It they took months to deliver results. They were exceedingly expensive.
5:31  Speaker 4:  Mhmm. And
5:32  Speaker 4:  I was talking with my friends, and I had a friend at the university, an incredibly bright young guy.
5:38  Speaker 4:  And I figured, like, man, the
5:41  Speaker 4:  concept of chemical analysis, like, it's not a diff you you see it, you know, you buy a mineral water,
5:47  Speaker 4:  and you see the label that the results of the chemical analysis.
5:51  Speaker 4:  So even at a high school, as dumb as I was, I could figure out that it's something that is actually doable. So I
5:57  Speaker 4:  I I investigated this possibility
5:59  Speaker 4:  for my friends
6:01  Speaker 4:  and then for a couple bucks for to cover the costs and a couple of beers on top of that. We tried that and it worked. So
6:11  Speaker 4:  then another friend hit me up of like, hey. Could you do this for me as well? Like, the 1 friend was Serb from Serbia.
6:19  Speaker 4:  Another friend was from The US. 1 was from UK.
6:23  Speaker 4:  So and they started hitting me. Could you do this for me? That's yielded quite a lot of beers.
6:29  Speaker 0:  And
6:30  Speaker 4:  then that
6:32  Speaker 4:  then the friends of them started asking me to do that. And then in a little while,
6:37  Speaker 4:  people I've never heard of started asking me to do stuff for them. And I were like, hey. Hey, guys. Stop. Okay.
6:43  Speaker 4:  I like this is fun, but I had no charity. This is taking out so much of my time. The logistics of international
6:51  Speaker 4:  mail and everything, they're they're rather difficult, so I'm not doing it for b money anymore. So
6:57  Speaker 4:  I took it commercial within a span of roughly a year or so. And
7:05  Speaker 4:  at the start, at the beginning, we were still doing it with with
7:09  Speaker 4:  my friend at the university lab.
7:12  Speaker 4:  But
7:13  Speaker 4:  later on, I saved up the money
7:16  Speaker 4:  and bought my own 1st HPLC,
7:19  Speaker 4:  the machine used to analyze this. Yeah.
7:22  Speaker 4:  This compounds, the basic 1.
7:25  Speaker 4:  So for a while, I was living in a dorm room,
7:28  Speaker 4:  and next to my head, you had this HPLC,
7:32  Speaker 4:  and it was an ancient old 1 because it had to be cheap. I was poor. I was poor. Right. Right. Didn't have enough money for food and
7:39  Speaker 4:  because I was spending it to get high purity chemicals to run the the analysis.
7:43  Speaker 4:  And
7:45  Speaker 4:  right now, when you have the HPLC,
7:47  Speaker 4:  it's basically it has a pump that's pumping liquid through stuff.
7:51  Speaker 4:  And right now, you have these pumps that are doing like, but
7:56  Speaker 4:  no. The ancient 1 was already 20 years old
7:59  Speaker 4:  when I had it, and it just went like it had these pumping hats,
8:04  Speaker 4:  huge ones like my face, and it just went
8:09  Speaker 0:  Yeah.
8:10  Speaker 4:  And it was it it took a long time. Like, the older the HPLC, the lower the the worse it is, the longer it takes to analyze stuff. Sure. Yeah. Right. So I had so I so I had this stuff running for 40 hours straight
8:24  Speaker 4:  next to my head at the dorm.
8:27  Speaker 4:  I still remember to this day when my
8:30  Speaker 4:  not from my room, but the next room, the next door, the guy, a lawyer,
8:35  Speaker 4:  he he he just asked me if I'm ever gonna turn it off.
8:39  Speaker 4:  And I
8:40  Speaker 4:  looked at him with this huge circus the dark circus under my eyes, and I told him I cannot for the next 42 hours because
8:48  Speaker 4:  there's a huge backlog of analysis.
8:51  Speaker 0:  Oh, you have sleep. Yeah.
8:53  Speaker 4:  Yeah.
8:54  Speaker 4:  So so so the guy, he just let out this tear of sadness
8:58  Speaker 4:  and went to try went went back to his bed to try to sleep, but
9:03  Speaker 4:  it didn't really work. We're we're still friends to this day, but he really he really regretted living next next door Oh my god. Back then.
9:12  Speaker 0:  That was a good That's amazing. Story. That's a rad story. That that is a rad story. Good for you, man. So it basically was completely organic,
9:20  Speaker 0:  and that's how you started. How rad is that? That is amazing. We never did any marketing. We always I just
9:26  Speaker 4:  I had my had my report with my contact contact information,
9:30  Speaker 4:  and I never did any sort of marketing or paid,
9:34  Speaker 4:  you know, like,
9:35  Speaker 4:  on anabolic steroid forms. It was rather common to pay
9:39  Speaker 4:  to just be able to be there, but I never did that. It sort of went against my
9:45  Speaker 4:  philosophy
9:46  Speaker 4:  of doing stuff. Yeah. So it just grew organically over the years. Right. Eventually, I could move out the lab, out of the dorm. That's when I moved that's
9:56  Speaker 4:  when I moved it out of the dorm
9:58  Speaker 0:  in Prague.
10:00  Speaker 4:  I moved it to Slovakia,
10:02  Speaker 4:  my parents' house. They there was a working space in there.
10:07  Speaker 4:  I'm going to pretend it wasn't a kitchen.
10:12  Speaker 4:  I had a lab there for a while until I found suitable
10:16  Speaker 4:  space back in Czech Republic.
10:18  Speaker 4:  But I really did want to move the lab out of the dorm
10:22  Speaker 4:  Mhmm. Because we had this incident.
10:24  Speaker 4:  Like, you know, when you were getting delivered
10:26  Speaker 4:  chemicals,
10:27  Speaker 4:  high purity chemicals to your dorm room, like you have industrial trucks delivering you chemicals to a dorm room.
10:36  Speaker 0:  Looks a little suspicious. Yeah.
10:38  Speaker 4:  It did raise some suspicions.
10:41  Speaker 4:  Sure. And at some point, I had a local equivalent of DEA task force
10:46  Speaker 4:  Oh. Knock on my door at 4AM.
10:50  Speaker 0:  And
10:52  Speaker 4:  given I was given given I was living alone, I slept like God made me. I just opened the door. Like, what the hell? Who is what was what's the doing this at 4AM?
11:02  Speaker 4:  Yeah. And then I had, you know, these guys in and
11:05  Speaker 4:  everything.
11:06  Speaker 4:  Woah.
11:24  Speaker 4:  Greatest
11:24  Speaker 4:  hub for homemade methamphetamine.
11:27  Speaker 4:  It's like the national spot over here. So they sort of assumed it's that. Right. But, you know, they entered. The chemist, they took a look, and
11:35  Speaker 4:  it's pretty it's pretty easy to tell an analytical chemical lab for manufacturing
11:41  Speaker 4:  some Sure. Anything.
11:42  Speaker 4:  Right. So so that so they just turned around. They were like, oh, so we're we're sorry, man. No problem.
11:50  Speaker 4:  Yeah. We don't want you. But the dorm yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the dorm administration
11:54  Speaker 4:  was pretty upset about the whole situation. Yeah. Right.
11:58  Speaker 4:  Like, they woke up the dorm administrator, and she had to be with them there at 4AM.
12:04  Speaker 0:  Hey.
12:06  Speaker 0:  Looking at that. Peter, do you mind moving out of the door, please? Yeah.
12:10  Speaker 3:  Did they let you stay in the door?
12:13  Speaker 4:  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had the the the they just made a it it sort of became a running joke over there. But That's awesome. They let me stay over there. I stayed there for a couple more years. I actually met my wife later on in the dorm.
12:26  Speaker 0:  Cool.
12:27  Speaker 0:  Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.
12:29  Speaker 3:  But I figured that might be just the right time to move the live out of the room I'm living in over there. Yeah. No doubt. Hey, so that's that's awesome. So and the, basically, the genesis of this whole thing, again, goes back to women and trying to men trying to please women. Right? The whole point of you trying to do start anything was because you wanted to get girls.
12:50  Speaker 4:  Wow. So I was I was like when I when I joined the message boards, I was like 14 or 15. So
12:57  Speaker 4:  that's pretty that's that's pretty much nothing that was on mind of. Right. Right. A teenage boy like that. Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah.
13:05  Speaker 0:  So that's cool, man. Thank you. So back then, when you were doing all this and you're you're testing this this these compounds,
13:13  Speaker 0:  were you finding a lot of the compounds
13:16  Speaker 0:  either underdosed
13:18  Speaker 0:  or like a testosterone or like, let's say a trend, ACE coming back as testosterone?
13:23  Speaker 0:  Were you finding a lot of compounds not
13:26  Speaker 0:  being the compounds they were supposed to or at least being greatly underdosed
13:30  Speaker 0:  back then?
13:32  Speaker 4:  It has to that,
13:35  Speaker 4:  it's quite a challenge for my memory at this point. Yep. But I do I of course of course, the market was
13:42  Speaker 4:  well, I don't know how to put in my lid. The market was pretty shit given there was no option for people to test stuff. Right.
13:49  Speaker 4:  Basically basically, the cheap compounds like testosterone,
13:53  Speaker 4:  you had testosterone
13:54  Speaker 4:  250
13:55  Speaker 4:  mg, and it turned out to be 300 and 80.
13:59  Speaker 4:  Because the more kick it has, the better it has to be. Right? Yeah. Right.
14:03  Speaker 4:  That was that was pretty much the best or the higher down bow on the blood on the blood test results. So
14:10  Speaker 4:  that's what people went by. And
14:13  Speaker 4:  oftentimes, the compounds in the oil were just random mixtures of stuff like it it looked like someone just found random bags of stuff Jeez. And put it into the oil to make rough concentrations similar to that.
14:26  Speaker 4:  We've even seen,
14:28  Speaker 4:  you know, the trampoline. It's known for being orange, which is actually not good because the tramp orange means it's degraded already. Mhmm. Regular trombone all ought to look the same as just any other oil. Really? But
14:42  Speaker 4:  we've seen we've seen
14:44  Speaker 4:  a lot of oils that were orange as Tremblon
14:48  Speaker 4:  people thought ought to look. But that was just because someone baked the oil and then dissolved testosterone in it, but they baked it to be orange. You know, there there's a particle kinds of oils that turn orange if you bake them long enough. Oh, wow. So That's interesting. We've seen that. That that was that was that was pretty fun to see.
15:05  Speaker 4:  But, basically, basically, it was Wild West. 15 years ago, the bucket was in a terrible shape. Mhmm. But then then as the as the testing as the testing became widely available,
15:17  Speaker 4:  I would say that within 5 years, the entire market changed. Like,
15:24  Speaker 4:  It was a lot more difficult for people who were just making pills
15:27  Speaker 4:  that
15:28  Speaker 4:  had random stuff in them. It became
15:31  Speaker 4:  very difficult to justify that after people could test the stuff themselves.
15:36  Speaker 0:  Well, that's awesome because now it's kind of like deja vu. So now the peptides come into the case and you're kind of at that area now, I would imagine, where it's kind of been the wild wild west, but now with the testing,
15:51  Speaker 0:  you're kind of like back to square 1 to a degree, I would imagine, where you're seeing some of the same type of stuff going on. I mean, are you seeing a lot of stuff come through that's greatly underdosed?
16:04  Speaker 4:  Well,
16:05  Speaker 4:  right now, the last couple of weeks, we're seeing this interesting phenomenon
16:09  Speaker 4:  that we receive in a lot of vials
16:12  Speaker 4:  that contain no active compound at all. Oh, wow.
16:16  Speaker 4:  All all different peptides, whether it's GHK,
16:20  Speaker 4:  BPC,
16:21  Speaker 4:  Sema, Retrata,
16:22  Speaker 4:  whatever it is, it's just empty vial. Of course, there's the filler, there's the excipient,
16:28  Speaker 4:  but there's no actual peptide in it. And
16:31  Speaker 4:  there's a whole lot the whole
16:33  Speaker 4:  lot of those
16:35  Speaker 4:  coming in in the last couple of weeks. That's
16:38  Speaker 4:  that's that's the interesting
16:40  Speaker 4:  news from the field. But,
16:43  Speaker 4:  of course, we're regularly seeing wrong dose, wrong peptide peptide in the vial,
16:49  Speaker 4:  roughly 1 in 20 or 25 samples. Okay. Turned out to be just completely something different than it ought to be. Okay.
16:57  Speaker 0:  Is there a particular compound
16:59  Speaker 0:  that you would say is
17:02  Speaker 0:  that's happening the most at, or is it just kinda sporadically
17:05  Speaker 0:  all of them to a degree?
17:09  Speaker 4:  Oh, wow. Well, I have to give a honorable mention to bioglutide,
17:13  Speaker 4:  which if you've heard of it, it's completely made up molecule.
17:17  Speaker 4:  We we
17:18  Speaker 4:  still get an inquiry here and there to test it because someone sold it to someone.
17:24  Speaker 4:  It it always just tests some other GLP 1 or a mixture of them. Right. So that's an honorable mention because I I I
17:32  Speaker 4:  thought that hilarious from the start.
17:36  Speaker 4:  But other than that, it's just
17:39  Speaker 4:  it's just sporadically
17:41  Speaker 4:  this and that. It's it's it's pretty random.
17:44  Speaker 4:  The newer and more the the more rare stuff is, the more it happens, of course. Yep. But
17:52  Speaker 4:  there's no no rule of thumb that 1 could apply as far as I can tell. Because there is probably a rule of thumb if we're talking about hormones like primabolin
18:01  Speaker 3:  and Anovar.
18:02  Speaker 3:  Right? And my guess is those 2, you see
18:07  Speaker 3:  the most coming in as not them when people think it is.
18:10  Speaker 3:  How about on the hormone side? Not really. No? What do you what do you see there? Not really.
18:16  Speaker 4:  While a lot of methanalone
18:18  Speaker 4:  and oxandrolone.
18:19  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Primoble and Anavar, they come in
18:23  Speaker 4:  as claimed.
18:25  Speaker 4:  We're not seeing That's good. We're not seeing much different stuff than we're not seeing
18:31  Speaker 4:  a significantly
18:32  Speaker 4:  higher percent of replacements with those, which is quite surprising, to be honest.
18:37  Speaker 4:  There are there are particularities like when there was there was a drop
18:43  Speaker 4:  with
18:44  Speaker 4:  raw powders coming from China when there was no Drosstanolone,
18:48  Speaker 4:  no Yeah. Yeah. Mastron Mastron. Being made. Yeah. So we've seen that replaced with something else a lot. And oftentimes, it was something that was even more expensive than the Drosstanolone itself.
18:59  Speaker 4:  So I assume it was just people desperate to feel orders. Yeah. Not not
19:05  Speaker 4:  Not fancy. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the funny thing with methanol on the primobulin is, you know, those famous
19:12  Speaker 4:  Bayer, primobolins, these amps,
19:15  Speaker 4:  They're probably the most faked anabolic steroid in the world. Yeah. Like, if we receive if we receive the Remobolans vial or Remobolans ampule Yeah.
19:25  Speaker 4:  The the it's, like, over 90% chance that it's contained in nothing but beer oil. Oh, wow. Like, 90%.
19:32  Speaker 4:  Wow. Not even BA or BC. Yeah.
19:34  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
19:36  Speaker 4:  and and they're made perfectly. Like, it's it's it's it's knee impossible to tell them from originals. Sure. Oftentimes, they're really perfectly made. They they just contain nothing whatsoever.
19:47  Speaker 3:  China's got good at making Yeah.
19:49  Speaker 4:  What's the theory? Yeah. Yeah. I I have the theory that if someone managed to get as good at faking the labels, the ampoules,
19:57  Speaker 4:  and
19:58  Speaker 4:  the boxes,
20:00  Speaker 4:  they figure if they get caught, the the worst case, they got
20:05  Speaker 4:  got sued for trademark infringement or something like that, and they don't get sued for
20:10  Speaker 4:  unlawful possession and manufacture of anabolics.
20:14  Speaker 3:  So they figure it's just risk management for them or something. But that's just my theory this is 1 theory of mine. Right. Why invest all of your money into making the fake packaging when you could invest all your money into making remaking the actual substance, but the actual substance is more risky.
20:30  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Hardly. Yeah. So
20:34  Speaker 4:  you'll you'll have a much better chance of running into a real methanol on
20:38  Speaker 4:  in a dirty in a dirty, oily 10 milliliter vial
20:43  Speaker 4:  than
20:44  Speaker 4:  in the fancy ampoules. Oh, wow. In a in a in a very real looking boxes. Of course. That's been our experience
20:52  Speaker 0:  regarding that. Are you, would you say that, America
20:56  Speaker 0:  is where you get the majority of your
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22:04  Speaker 0:  or is it just pretty much just all over? Because I know that you do test probably everywhere, so is it America that takes the lead? I do know exactly. Right.
22:13  Speaker 4:  We do have a we do have actually a
22:17  Speaker 4:  presentation online for media because
22:20  Speaker 4:  at some point, we started getting so many media inquiries that I made a presentation for them,
22:26  Speaker 4:  and I made a I made a list by revenue. And more roughly 0.667 of my business is coming from US. Yeah. Okay. Very good. And roughly 20%
22:37  Speaker 4:  is coming from China.
22:39  Speaker 4:  So these 2 are obvious because The US, they are the biggest consumer market
22:44  Speaker 4:  economy. They they have the
22:46  Speaker 4:  the economical power of The United States is incomparable with anything else in the world. Yeah. And there's obvious
22:55  Speaker 4:  cultural
22:56  Speaker 4:  stuff like performance enhancing drugs,
22:58  Speaker 4:  being thin, living healthy, and stuff like that. That's so much more
23:05  Speaker 4:  culturally
23:06  Speaker 4:  native to The US than, for example, Europe.
23:10  Speaker 4:  So and, of course, there's this thing, especially regarding GLP-1s,
23:14  Speaker 4:  the weight loss peptides. Yeah. Right. It's
23:17  Speaker 4:  they're incredibly more expensive in The US Mhmm. Compared to everywhere rest everywhere else in the world. So it just makes more sense for people over there to acquire them of the gray and black market. Sure. Yeah. Then China, but 20%
23:33  Speaker 3:  of your business comes from China. Is that because a lot of the manufacturing is China, and and who's sending it in is the actual manufacturers
23:41  Speaker 4:  in China? Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. We we we do serve
23:46  Speaker 4:  manufacturers
23:47  Speaker 4:  and warehouses directly in China too. Yeah. Because
23:52  Speaker 4:  their their clients, they don't want their own CEREC certificate of analysis
23:56  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Because they don't trust them.
24:00  Speaker 4:  A lot of a lot of warehouses
24:02  Speaker 4:  and etcetera, they don't have their own labs in China.
24:05  Speaker 4:  And
24:06  Speaker 4:  the
24:07  Speaker 4:  they prefer they like working with us because we have a very fast line of communication with China.
24:13  Speaker 4:  For example, from China, if you decide to have something tested on Monday,
24:17  Speaker 4:  you can you can you might be able to get your results by Wednesday or Thursday. Wow.
24:22  Speaker 0:  That's So
24:23  Speaker 4:  so so it's alright for the production. They can't get the stuff done much faster anywhere else on the in the world. So
24:31  Speaker 4:  and they're used to they're used to working with us.
24:35  Speaker 4:  And, of course, the manufacturers,
24:37  Speaker 4:  they're extremely high volume customers.
24:40  Speaker 4:  Yeah. So let's
24:42  Speaker 4:  say we have 50
24:44  Speaker 4:  huge customers
24:46  Speaker 4:  in China,
24:48  Speaker 4:  and they're making up 20%
24:50  Speaker 4:  of our volume by revenue.
24:53  Speaker 4:  But
24:54  Speaker 4:  in The US, we might have
24:57  Speaker 0:  10,000.
24:58  Speaker 4:  I would say 60,000
25:00  Speaker 4:  different clients so far. Mhmm. So Oh, small. It's it's spread through
25:05  Speaker 4:  many
25:07  Speaker 0:  more people Yeah. Or companies in The US. For sure. How important do you think the purity percentage
25:14  Speaker 0:  really matters? Like, for example,
25:16  Speaker 0:  if you test a compound and you, how important is it coming back at 99% compared
25:22  Speaker 0:  to say like a 95%?
25:24  Speaker 0:  Is that something that actually really matters, especially in peptides?
25:28  Speaker 0:  Everybody wants 99, 100%,
25:31  Speaker 0:  but 1, is that common? 2, if it's under the, well, let's say it comes back at 95, is that actually a big difference from your standpoint?
25:42  Speaker 4:  Well,
25:44  Speaker 4:  if you look at the pharmaceutical standards, for example, for human growth hormone,
25:49  Speaker 4:  you notice that the pharma requirement is 89%
25:52  Speaker 4:  of
25:53  Speaker 4:  peptide purity. Yep.
25:54  Speaker 4:  So
25:56  Speaker 4:  that's an interesting point of view
25:59  Speaker 4:  to the discussion.
26:00  Speaker 0:  Sure.
26:01  Speaker 4:  Regarding regarding whether 95 or 99%
26:04  Speaker 4:  is alright,
26:06  Speaker 4:  it's
26:07  Speaker 4:  I don't dare to judge on the judge on that. It's mostly
26:11  Speaker 4:  the customer's decision. They if they want the number,
26:15  Speaker 4:  they're gonna pay to people who attain it. So it's
26:20  Speaker 4:  it's basically the market choice that people vote with their wallets,
26:23  Speaker 4:  and they choose the highest possible
26:27  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Purity.
26:28  Speaker 3:  And this 99 Of course. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead.
26:32  Speaker 4:  Yeah. There's a there's a different
26:35  Speaker 4:  methodology between laboratories.
26:37  Speaker 4:  For example, you have a lot of these small laboratories that are not don't shy away from outputting a 100%
26:44  Speaker 4:  pure result,
26:46  Speaker 4:  which is physically impossible.
26:49  Speaker 4:  The just the basic laws of thermodynamics
26:52  Speaker 4:  and stuff like that. It just doesn't let the soil of bristle be.
26:57  Speaker 0:  It's awesome.
27:01  Speaker 4:  And
27:03  Speaker 4:  then,
27:04  Speaker 4:  of course, the purity itself is quite an elusive term
27:09  Speaker 4:  because the purity in the peptide world,
27:12  Speaker 4:  it means something different compared to everyone else. So
27:16  Speaker 4:  that deserves an explanation of its own because what you're seeing in the vial,
27:20  Speaker 4:  is just sugar. It's mannitol sucrose,
27:23  Speaker 4:  which is there
27:24  Speaker 4:  for manufacturing
27:26  Speaker 4:  and longevity purposes,
27:28  Speaker 4:  like,
27:30  Speaker 4:  it really helps with the drying out the peptide in the vial, to put it simply. And
27:36  Speaker 4:  the actual peptide is the tiny speck that's not even visible in there usually.
27:42  Speaker 4:  So
27:43  Speaker 4:  if you
27:45  Speaker 4:  defined purity
27:46  Speaker 4:  as the amount of peptide in total amount of stuff inside the vial, we would get some oftentimes, we would get stuff like 1% or 2% pure. Yeah. Yeah. So
27:57  Speaker 4:  it's not done like that. What is done is really that the purity in
28:02  Speaker 4:  in the peptide world means is
28:04  Speaker 4:  the all peptides, they have a common property. All peptides are made of amino acids that are connected with a peptide bond,
28:12  Speaker 4:  And this peptide bond is something you can see when being tested by the HPLC.
28:17  Speaker 0:  And
28:18  Speaker 4:  there is no peptide in the world whether you cannot see it or when you look at the peptide bonds. So basically,
28:24  Speaker 4:  when you're testing and you focus on that region
28:27  Speaker 4:  and you just
28:29  Speaker 4:  test and you get all the peptides
28:31  Speaker 4:  that are in the sample
28:33  Speaker 4:  and you just
28:35  Speaker 4:  sum up the number and then you take out your target peptide, what you're looking for. So if you get arbitrary signal of 100 and your peptide has
28:46  Speaker 4:  signal of 993,
28:49  Speaker 4:  that's basically the peptide purity that's defined. And then you have 7 thousands of signal that is not attributed
28:55  Speaker 4:  to your target peptide. So that's what the purity means. It's just peptide impurities.
29:00  Speaker 0:  Mhmm.
29:00  Speaker 4:  You could you also
29:02  Speaker 4:  have a lot of sugar, like the medical sucrose.
29:05  Speaker 4:  Well, lot, relatively, it's still milligrams
29:09  Speaker 4:  in your sample, but you cannot see it when you're looking at the peptide bond. It's just invisible. It's below
29:15  Speaker 4:  any sort of stuff you can see.
29:18  Speaker 4:  So but that's also not something that's
29:21  Speaker 4:  of interest to anyone. Yeah. So the testing actually works pretty well like this.
29:26  Speaker 3:  Well, that's interesting. That's true. You had a question? I don't okay. I guess I had a specific well,
29:33  Speaker 3:  the other things that people are testing peptides for. Right? So endotoxins,
29:41  Speaker 3:  residual solvents,
29:42  Speaker 3:  heavy metals,
29:44  Speaker 3:  sterility.
29:46  Speaker 3:  Do you mind
29:47  Speaker 3:  here's, I guess, 1 question is,
29:49  Speaker 3:  how bad
29:51  Speaker 3:  are these actually?
29:54  Speaker 3:  Is there any way to quantify how bad they are? I don't know if you can really, you know, tell us exactly how bad they are, but and
30:01  Speaker 3:  and how important are those to be tested for in your opinion?
30:06  Speaker 3:  And how important
30:08  Speaker 3:  yeah. What are the ramifications of having those in a bottle?
30:13  Speaker 4:  Well,
30:14  Speaker 4:  it's,
30:15  Speaker 4:  of course, naturally, it would be good for my business to tell everyone how important this test it is. But in my opinion, most of it is completely useless, and I'm pretty open to people about it. Yeah. For example, the peptide in peptides, the heavy metals are not involved in the manufacture at all. There's no reason for them to be in there. We've tested, I think, thousands of them already. We haven't had a single positive yet.
30:40  Speaker 4:  They might they might come, but it had not come yet. Okay.
30:44  Speaker 4:  You also the peptides
30:46  Speaker 4:  are also used in such miniscule amounts.
30:49  Speaker 4:  It's not like it's drinking water or foods. Yeah. So
30:53  Speaker 4:  so if you have some miniscule amount of heavy metals because nowadays,
30:57  Speaker 4:  the testing techniques, the ICTMS
31:00  Speaker 4:  is a testing technique for heavy metals.
31:03  Speaker 4:  And if you measure
31:05  Speaker 4:  anything in the world,
31:07  Speaker 4:  it get it can be sensitive enough to hit to hit positive for all sorts of heavy metals. Sure. You could probably find out uranium in your drinking water. Right. But
31:16  Speaker 4:  it's it's it doesn't mean it's it doesn't mean it's dangerous at those levels.
31:21  Speaker 0:  Mhmm. So
31:23  Speaker 4:  the fact that the the there is a positive hit in something doesn't really mean it's dangerous.
31:29  Speaker 4:  You have to take a look at the levels. And most of the labs there are many labs I've noticed that
31:36  Speaker 4:  have claims like 60%
31:38  Speaker 4:  of tested peptides contain heavy metals. Right. While
31:42  Speaker 4:  basically every single
31:44  Speaker 4:  everything in this world contains at least some Right. Heavy metals. It's just even distribute some distribution of the of items in the universe. Yeah.
31:54  Speaker 4:  Like that. But
31:57  Speaker 4:  yeah. But the levels are so far from anything. The I could not find a single
32:04  Speaker 4:  publication
32:05  Speaker 4:  or lab result or anything
32:08  Speaker 4:  that would point out to a level that could be even remotely dangerous to any living thing, let alone
32:15  Speaker 4:  an adult human. Wow. Is
32:18  Speaker 0:  so interesting. Tactics to some of the other Well, yeah, I'm glad that we're talking about this because I think people need to hear it because,
32:24  Speaker 0:  you know, people are using that as a sell ploy and all these things. So basically,
32:28  Speaker 0:  another way to put it is people should be worried about things like seed oils and Doritos and sugars a lot more than
32:35  Speaker 0:  what they're worried about coming through in peptides. Maybe the only fear you should have is, are you getting it dosed?
32:41  Speaker 0:  Is it the peptide that you ordered? And 2, are you is it dosed to a degree where you're it's gonna work for you? Other than that, don't don't worry about it.
32:49  Speaker 0:  Right? Yeah, that's exactly like the best value test by far is the identity and the dose. Mhmm. Which is what I always tell the people. This is the best value that you could get. Everything else is
33:00  Speaker 0:  rather optional
33:02  Speaker 0:  because
33:03  Speaker 0:  up until recently
33:05  Speaker 0:  and I I I had the same I I said the same thing about endotoxins.
33:10  Speaker 0:  Okay. That I said about heavy metals. Okay. Again, endotoxins,
33:14  Speaker 4:  the part of a bacterial cell wall,
33:17  Speaker 4:  and they can be a real issue because, for example, when you have peptides such as human growth hormone,
33:24  Speaker 4:  the go to manufacturing method was growing it in E. Coli bacteria.
33:28  Speaker 4:  Because it is so long and so big, it's impossible to manufacture
33:33  Speaker 4:  by a different way other than bioengineering.
33:36  Speaker 4:  And the E coli is a bacteria we know very well. It's the scientist's best friend for decades now.
33:43  Speaker 4:  And you can force it to grow human growth hormones for you, but it's a bacteria that has endotoxin
33:49  Speaker 4:  in its cell wall. So if you don't purify your human growth hormone or anything else you make in this bacteria,
33:56  Speaker 4:  you're gonna end up with a bunch of it in in in your in your product.
34:02  Speaker 4:  So
34:05  Speaker 4:  this is why endotoxin in peptides
34:07  Speaker 4:  was a real worry for a while. But nowadays, all these peptides are made with solid phase synthesis,
34:14  Speaker 4:  which is has absolutely nothing to do with bacteria.
34:19  Speaker 4:  Well, that's So I always thought that testing for endotoxin is pretty moot,
34:24  Speaker 4:  like, not really necessary. But then
34:27  Speaker 4:  a couple weeks or months ago, I don't know, that they just flew flew it fly by. Pretty much. I know what We started, yeah, we started getting very
34:35  Speaker 0:  high
34:36  Speaker 4:  results for some of the samples tested. Like, they were severely contaminated
34:40  Speaker 4:  with MHC. Like, not severely enough
34:42  Speaker 4:  because issues to another human.
34:45  Speaker 4:  Mhmm. But
34:46  Speaker 4:  the people, they actually did send the samples in for endotoxin because they were getting local reactions like swelling,
34:53  Speaker 4:  itching, pain,
34:55  Speaker 4:  etcetera, etcetera, which is in line with endotoxin
34:58  Speaker 4:  contamination.
34:59  Speaker 4:  And
35:01  Speaker 4:  the results, they seem to confirm their theory.
35:04  Speaker 4:  So I used to say the same thing like that. I think the endotoxin is pretty useless. We just started
35:09  Speaker 4:  doing it because the people, they kept asking us to do so despite my pleas to stop. Yeah.
35:16  Speaker 4:  And
35:18  Speaker 4:  stop giving me their money. I I tried to make them, but I couldn't. And
35:24  Speaker 4:  then recently, it turned out that I was wrong.
35:27  Speaker 4:  Apparently,
35:28  Speaker 4:  it's possible to screw up so hard Yeah. That
35:31  Speaker 3:  I'm that I was wrong about the issue. So what do you think they did? They started using using creating these peptides using some other method besides
35:40  Speaker 3:  solid phase synthesis?
35:42  Speaker 0:  Yeah. Was there something that showed that Definitely,
35:45  Speaker 4:  there's nothing more economical than solid phase synthesis. So
35:48  Speaker 4:  when you're looking at stuff like this, you always go by the economics.
35:52  Speaker 4:  And
35:53  Speaker 4:  they're doing solid phase synthesis. I have no doubt about that because of the cheapest and most economical way to do that.
35:59  Speaker 4:  So
36:01  Speaker 4:  I think with with the peptides, NAD plus is a different story that I think is the cheapest to make biosynthetically.
36:09  Speaker 4:  So the endotoxin
36:11  Speaker 4:  contamination
36:11  Speaker 4:  might be expected there. But with the GLP-1s,
36:15  Speaker 4:  for example, I think it is just contamination of the manufacturing process. For example, they're using contaminated water or something like that. Oh, right. Makes sense.
36:26  Speaker 4:  We've seen we've seen stuff like
36:29  Speaker 4:  in a Chinese factory that used that paid us to find the trouble.
36:33  Speaker 4:  The Chinese factory had issues with
36:36  Speaker 4:  unknown contaminant showing up in all the samples.
36:39  Speaker 4:  Oh, wow. And it took us a month of investigation
36:44  Speaker 4:  and a lot of money being spent to figure out that
36:48  Speaker 4:  someone was using the wrong detergent to clean the machines. Oh, wow.
36:53  Speaker 0:  And and and this
36:55  Speaker 4:  this answer cost
36:57  Speaker 4:  a Chinese factory owner
37:00  Speaker 4:  more than $150,000
37:02  Speaker 4:  to figure out. Holy crap. Just to give you
37:06  Speaker 3:  an idea about how difficult figuring this stuff can be. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good for the Chinese factory for actually carrying and going to figure it out and spending that $150,000.
37:18  Speaker 4:  Well, they had to they had to
37:21  Speaker 4:  you have to take a lot of samples to figure out where
37:24  Speaker 4:  in the process it is getting introduced.
37:27  Speaker 4:  And then you had to narrow it down and narrow it down.
37:30  Speaker 4:  And it included stopping the working lines.
37:33  Speaker 4:  Just that is insane amount of money. Yeah. Right. The sheer amount of samples, I think it was over 100 samples just tested by us to figure out where it is exactly getting introduced and what it might be. Wow. That's awesome. So
37:48  Speaker 4:  so that was that was a pretty difficult Well, that's a question. Figure out. And we were everyone was really happy when when we found out. So even the endotoxin, it might be something very non obvious.
38:00  Speaker 4:  Okay. Yeah. And I I I bet if they could solve it easily, the factory that the factory that had issues with this, if they could solve it easily, they would because Yeah. Of course, they're losing insane amount of money by having a product they cannot sell. Of course. So that's causing issues to their own customers.
38:16  Speaker 0:  Yeah. It was just 1 factory that you found? Well,
38:21  Speaker 4:  there is this 1 that I'm aware of, but I have to admit it's not possible for me to to keep track Of of that many. Yeah. About all the issues we've we've had. We've had our 1st
38:34  Speaker 4:  thousand samples a day day this month. Oh. We've, like, we we received more than 1000 samples in a day. Wow. And that's the 1st time it happened ever.
38:45  Speaker 4:  And the next week, it happened again and again and again. So,
38:50  Speaker 4:  basically, for the past mod, I'm just trying to keep this all the stuff from falling apart Sure. And people from people people from running away Yeah. As fast as they can. Sure. We we get so much mail that
39:04  Speaker 4:  we had to
39:06  Speaker 4:  actually, 1 of my employees, my lab manager,
39:08  Speaker 4:  she kicked me out of my own office because
39:11  Speaker 4:  they need more room
39:13  Speaker 4:  for
39:14  Speaker 4:  or to receive the packages alone.
39:17  Speaker 4:  Oh, wow. So I I I I had to move my office to a different wing of the building.
39:22  Speaker 4:  So I I just came I just came I I just came to my office this Monday,
39:26  Speaker 3:  and there was just a bunch of packages over there and none of my stuff. That's awesome. It's good to be back. Hey. Well and sorry. We contributed about 30 different samples to that load literally, like, last week. And you got them back to us. Like, I've already gotten I mean, now out of that many samples, I think you guys have already given me about 10, 15 of the results. So shoot.
39:47  Speaker 3:  Despite this busyness,
39:49  Speaker 3:  you turn around fast.
39:51  Speaker 4:  Yeah. We we we try our best, but it's just sort of falling falling on my head all the time. We on top of this workload increasing,
39:59  Speaker 4:  we also get website issues. We are being Of course. We're being DDOs. We we we not only the regular load, which is high enough.
40:08  Speaker 4:  Someone is someone is consistently
40:11  Speaker 4:  attacking our website. Oh, wow.
40:14  Speaker 4:  We DDOs. Like,
40:16  Speaker 4:  yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But
40:18  Speaker 4:  we almost have it handled.
40:21  Speaker 4:  Now we can block all the attacks.
40:23  Speaker 4:  The only issue is that we're blocking, like, 0.5 the customers along with that. So we don't need that bit out. Yeah, man. That's Dude,
40:29  Speaker 3:  we have, in our business, we've got a few businesses, and, like, we get constantly
40:34  Speaker 3:  what we get is fake websites getting popped up that are just they steal all of our logos,
40:41  Speaker 3:  and they basically recreate our website. They do a kind of a shabby job, but then they market it and then, you know, and then our customers accidentally go to that website, buy stuff,
40:50  Speaker 3:  and that money is goodbye. Gone. And then they'll or people will
40:54  Speaker 0:  duplicate My video. They like because I'll do, like, a post of, like, in social media. They'll take that video. Yep. And they'll put their, you know, and then it goes on their website. Website.
41:04  Speaker 3:  People send it to me. Just shoot them. That's me. That's not my company. Or our fake payment addresses. Be like, oh, yeah. They'll they'll create, a a PayPal or Venmo, right, with our logos looks almost identical.
41:16  Speaker 3:  So we're constantly We feel you. Dealing with that stuff too. No fun.
41:21  Speaker 0:  That sucks. The world we live in. Mean,
41:24  Speaker 4:  I mean, we had the same. We had a couple of websites. Yeah. Like, instead of janoszig.com,
41:29  Speaker 4:  that it was janoszhukyeah..com
41:31  Speaker 4:  or something like some other other different sign.
41:34  Speaker 4:  And we got a but oh, we have the pro we we got good lawyers for that, so we usually can get them shut down within the day. Yeah. Yeah. So we a team that does that too.
41:45  Speaker 3:  Hey. So back to this so I'm looking at right now a sample of of human growth hormone. Now you did say that that is a long obviously, that's a 191 amino acids in it in it.
41:54  Speaker 3:  Did you say it has to be grown in E. Coli? And I don't know if that's exactly what you said there, but I do. I have
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43:01  Speaker 3:  so I'm looking at this test and it says 96,
43:05  Speaker 3:  96.8%,
43:07  Speaker 3:  pure.
43:08  Speaker 3:  With human growth hormone, am I right that you're never really gonna see a 99%
43:14  Speaker 3:  pure or is there and what's the reason?
43:18  Speaker 4:  Well, the human growth hormone, they can actually now make it in more microorganism
43:23  Speaker 4:  than E. Coli, but the E. Coli is still the cheapest 1. But the fancy like Serrano, I think, cerostin, they can grow it in
43:33  Speaker 4:  some sort of a different cell line that doesn't have endotoxin at all. Okay. So they do that because they want to be all fancy and save up on endotoxin
43:41  Speaker 4:  cleanup.
43:42  Speaker 4:  But
43:43  Speaker 4:  given it's so big, the
43:45  Speaker 4:  the peptide, the human growing hormone is so big, there's a lot more stuff that can go wrong. Sure.
43:50  Speaker 4:  And and the things going wrong, they call it post translational
43:55  Speaker 4:  modification
43:55  Speaker 4:  oftentimes.
43:57  Speaker 4:  Mhmm.
43:58  Speaker 4:  Which is a fancy word for something that is after
44:01  Speaker 4:  it's been made. So whether it's degradation,
44:05  Speaker 4:  so that can be oxidation and stuff like that. Just
44:09  Speaker 4:  stuff existing,
44:11  Speaker 4:  the thermodynamics,
44:13  Speaker 4:  they screw with that all sorts,
44:15  Speaker 4:  and
44:17  Speaker 4:  everything degrades in real time. It's impossible to have anything 100%.
44:22  Speaker 4:  Right. Then you have these incredibly stable substances that don't really degrade, like
44:28  Speaker 4:  a famous 1 particularly famous 1 is gold. It's so precious because it doesn't degrade.
44:33  Speaker 4:  Mhmm. Everything else does, basically. And
44:37  Speaker 4:  with human growth hormone being so big, there's a lot of places where it can go wrong. So it's really difficult to keep it real up high. We've had we've tested more than 99%
44:48  Speaker 4:  human growth hormone.
44:51  Speaker 4:  We did have a standard like that.
44:54  Speaker 4:  They said the
44:56  Speaker 4:  European Pharmacopoeia
44:58  Speaker 4:  I don't know how the company is called, EDQM
45:01  Speaker 4:  or European
45:03  Speaker 4:  Directorate for Quality of Medicines.
45:06  Speaker 4:  Pardon. It's
45:08  Speaker 4:  supragovernmental
45:09  Speaker 4:  authority on medicines in Europe
45:11  Speaker 4:  and they sell standards like testing standards for medicines. And they also sell a human growth hormone standard.
45:18  Speaker 4:  And they delivered us delivered it to us on dry ice.
45:23  Speaker 4:  Like, they they they
45:24  Speaker 4:  bring you this box that's minus 50 degrees Celsius.
45:28  Speaker 4:  You open it. You have all this.
45:30  Speaker 4:  Well,
45:31  Speaker 4:  it's not smoke. I don't know. Mist from c o 2 evaporating
45:36  Speaker 4:  from dry ice.
45:38  Speaker 4:  And it was pretty cool, so we just hurried to test it right away. Yeah. And it tested over 99%.
45:45  Speaker 4:  We might even had a sample like that,
45:48  Speaker 4:  but it's definitely it's definitely
45:52  Speaker 4:  a rare occurrence.
45:54  Speaker 4:  Yeah. I said earlier, for human growth hormone, the standard is like
45:59  Speaker 4:  the pharmaceutically
46:00  Speaker 4:  permitted 1. 89.
46:02  Speaker 4:  Odd manufacture
46:03  Speaker 4:  is 89%
46:05  Speaker 4:  of peptide purity.
46:07  Speaker 4:  So over the final product. Usually
46:11  Speaker 4:  when we test human growth hormone,
46:13  Speaker 4:  it's between 9296%.
46:17  Speaker 4:  That's what that's what the market standard is. Awesome.
46:20  Speaker 4:  Cool. That's great. Do
46:22  Speaker 0:  you feel, do you how often do you,
46:24  Speaker 0:  run-in into issues if a company sends you some compounds and they don't come back like they had wished? Do you have to have a department that deals with some angry customers, or is it not really common for them to
46:38  Speaker 3:  to to give you If
46:40  Speaker 4:  you had to question your It depends on how you all decide. If they Right. If they get angry enough, they rise all to the top to to me.
46:50  Speaker 4:  So so I deal with the cream of the crop.
46:56  Speaker 4:  That's awesome. Just today just today, some company, they sold the Boldenon
47:00  Speaker 4:  instead of dihydro Dihydro Boldenon to someone,
47:05  Speaker 4:  And
47:06  Speaker 4:  they had an and the customer that it the they confronted him.
47:10  Speaker 4:  They could they confronted
47:12  Speaker 4:  the vendor with that, with my findings. And
47:15  Speaker 4:  the vendor, they had an AI. You you know how you can tell AI by using the long,
47:20  Speaker 4:  I don't know how they're called, but not the minus. But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
47:26  Speaker 4:  Slash. The long minus sign. Right. Long slashes.
47:29  Speaker 4:  You can tell you can tell by long slashes everywhere.
47:32  Speaker 0:  Mhmm. And
47:36  Speaker 4:  and
47:39  Speaker 4:  they basically had task AI with
47:42  Speaker 4:  figuring out the to what to tell, and you could oh, we have an ancient equipment that cannot tell Boldenon and Dihedra Boldenon apart. Oh, wow. And, of course, I'm also associated with their competition.
47:55  Speaker 4:  I wish I knew who it was. Yeah. Yeah.
48:00  Speaker 4:  And but oftentimes,
48:02  Speaker 4:  I I still deal with the angriest of the customers
48:05  Speaker 4:  mostly because we
48:07  Speaker 4:  also scrub the analytical chemistry in dealing with thousands of samples. Yeah. And the analytical chemistry is just so so difficult thing.
48:17  Speaker 4:  And we we we also have people working, and people made mistakes.
48:21  Speaker 4:  So if if we suspect we might have screwed up something, I always prefer to review it Sure. To make sure we didn't screw up because,
48:32  Speaker 4:  well, we do screw up. It's we're just screwing up way less than everybody else.
48:37  Speaker 4:  That
48:39  Speaker 4:  that that's why we are where we are right now, but I still like to keep on top of it. Yeah. So I deal with a lot of stuff with a lot of angry people personally.
48:49  Speaker 4:  It's
48:49  Speaker 4:  it's pretty difficult in my mental state, but
48:56  Speaker 4:  I'm pulling through somehow.
48:57  Speaker 0:  Yeah.
48:59  Speaker 0:  As,
49:00  Speaker 0:  you know, Americans, as I'm sure you know what's going on with some of our regulations and the gray area that we swim within,
49:07  Speaker 0:  as the regulations
49:08  Speaker 0:  start to kind of tighten up
49:11  Speaker 0:  and
49:12  Speaker 0:  research
49:13  Speaker 0:  companies
49:15  Speaker 0:  kind of going up against the like government and 503B and whatnot,
49:19  Speaker 0:  do you think the tighter regulations are going to actually clean up the industry or kind of destroy access to
49:27  Speaker 0:  Americans with cheaper peptides as you said? Like America, if you go through a typical
49:32  Speaker 0:  doctor, so to speak,
49:34  Speaker 0:  you're gonna pay 3 times, if not more,
49:37  Speaker 0:  cost and where people are finding them cheaper is research companies.
49:41  Speaker 0:  Do you think that that's gonna cause a problem with the research companies from your knowledge if you have the knowledge of what's kind of we're dealing with here in America?
49:50  Speaker 4:  Well,
49:51  Speaker 4:  I do have a rather good idea, and I also have a rather good idea of how war on drugs worked out.
49:59  Speaker 4:  And So
50:00  Speaker 4:  Great. No doubt. And they can make up a lot yeah. They can make up a lot more convincing reasons. Sure. On war on drugs than on than war on appetites. Sure. Especially
50:12  Speaker 4:  when you have so
50:14  Speaker 4:  many people. Like, there's probably tens of millions of people at this point who have experience with them in The United States. Lot of Yeah. They love them. So it it it would be rather difficult to justify criminalizing
50:26  Speaker 4:  all these people. Of course, they can go after research compound chemicals, but
50:30  Speaker 0:  There's so many. Ostracized.
50:32  Speaker 4:  Like yeah. There's so many of them. It's not ostracized like drug deals, like narcotics.
50:39  Speaker 4:  So I can't really imagine the government suddenly fighting success in this field when they couldn't in
50:47  Speaker 4:  in places where it's politically much more easier to push through.
50:51  Speaker 4:  Yeah. But that's just my opinion. Not like I'm an expert on The US politics. It's just Yeah. What I've gathered from
50:58  Speaker 4:  I've been doing I've been in this field for
51:02  Speaker 4:  most of my life. I've been I I I I've I'm at the point when I've been doing this for
51:08  Speaker 4:  probably longer than I've not been doing this, and I'm including it. That's awesome. Time when I was an infant.
51:15  Speaker 0:  I mean, it's I I just crazy how you kinda had the foresight, whether it was
51:20  Speaker 0:  methodical or not for you to see kinda where you're at. I mean, being 16, 17, like you said, and starting this with just some buddies to where you're at now, man, that is a
51:30  Speaker 0:  it is a very cool thing to see, man.
51:32  Speaker 0:  I got a 2 part question for you. 1st off, I'm I'm really curious, and I'm assuming I know the answer, but do you enjoy what you do?
51:39  Speaker 0:  I'm I always like to hear that. Number 2,
51:42  Speaker 0:  what is the craziest thing you have ever seen come across your desk?
51:47  Speaker 4:  Wow.
51:49  Speaker 4:  I do thoroughly enjoy doing what I'm doing because
51:53  Speaker 4:  I could have retired years ago. Mhmm. But
51:56  Speaker 4:  I have no idea what else I would do. I mean Right.
52:00  Speaker 4:  This is fun. I like it. I like I like solving through trouble. I mean, it's difficult for me to be happy
52:08  Speaker 4:  about
52:09  Speaker 4:  I don't I don't enjoy drugs. I don't enjoy drinking. I get always too sick of it.
52:16  Speaker 0:  Yeah.
52:17  Speaker 4:  My my hobbies are taking walks and sports, and you can only do that so so so much through a day. So it's the walk is remaining.
52:26  Speaker 4:  And I really, really love finding about finding new things, finding about new stuff, figuring out how to test the new compound,
52:32  Speaker 4:  finding out more about that Right. Fixing some issue
52:37  Speaker 4:  to a point, like, when 0.5 your lap falls apart in a single day. That's that's not something that can be reasonably enjoyed.
52:43  Speaker 4:  Mm-mm.
52:44  Speaker 4:  That's awesome. We when we have days, like, when when we have 6 machines throughout an error, and I have to deal with that, I I do not enjoy that. But
52:54  Speaker 4:  it's still still, you know, you fix the machine, you make something work, you figure out how to
53:00  Speaker 4:  set up the place to receive thousand peptides
53:03  Speaker 4:  in a day.
53:05  Speaker 4:  That's something that's something that's, you know, it's pretty fulfilling. And we get a lot of clients. They
53:12  Speaker 4:  they're very pleasant to work with. They're very grateful for what we do for them. And we get we we have this label in our email with just the
53:21  Speaker 4:  customer
53:23  Speaker 4:  feedback
53:24  Speaker 4:  where we save the most positive ones.
53:27  Speaker 4:  We even have we have people we have a lot of clients that are sending us small gifts.
53:31  Speaker 4:  We get we get a
53:34  Speaker 4:  lot of tiny
53:35  Speaker 4:  plastic animals.
53:37  Speaker 4:  Yeah. I we used
53:39  Speaker 4:  we used to have a client who send us it must have been, like, a 100 kilos of chocolate total. Oh, shit.
53:48  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Yeah. And,
53:49  Speaker 4:  yeah, it's it's just very enjoyable. I cannot imagine doing anything other than business
53:54  Speaker 4:  and death at this point.
53:56  Speaker 4:  Right. And
53:59  Speaker 4:  what's the craziest stuff that passed my table?
54:02  Speaker 4:  Well, I don't know.
54:04  Speaker 4:  Is your podcast
54:05  Speaker 4:  available to people under 18 years old,
54:08  Speaker 4:  or am
54:10  Speaker 0:  I free to share? Oh, yeah. You're free to share. It's pretty it's pretty dull. It doesn't matter. You're good, man. Yep. It's a podcast we're pretty open on it.
54:17  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Well well, many,
54:19  Speaker 4:  many, many years ago, like, in
54:22  Speaker 4:  in the beginning of my career,
54:25  Speaker 4:  still most of the clients were people I knew and I was friends with.
54:30  Speaker 4:  I had a guy who
54:32  Speaker 4:  molded
54:33  Speaker 4:  this giant
54:35  Speaker 4:  plastic penis, and he molded the samples inside of it.
54:39  Speaker 4:  So then I went to pick it up, yeah, in in a in a giant 0.5 a meter long dildo.
54:45  Speaker 4:  And
54:46  Speaker 4:  he just he just put a sample he he had it custom molded and put the had the samples molded inside of it.
54:54  Speaker 4:  So
54:55  Speaker 4:  I declared it, you know, how it works with the customs. You you have to declare them what it contains. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, man. So I was like, okay. This this this stuff contains
55:05  Speaker 4:  I think it was 8 or 9 or 10 samples of anabolic steroid oils. Yeah.
55:11  Speaker 0:  He
55:12  Speaker 4:  feed the entire 10 milliliters inside.
55:14  Speaker 4:  Oh, man. And they're like, the customers are, well, it's not that.
55:19  Speaker 4:  And I'm like, yeah. It's definitely that. I I confirm it with the guy. Well, you better come take a look, mister Magic.
55:26  Speaker 4:  So I came there at the customs,
55:28  Speaker 4:  and you have this bunch of customs officers.
55:34  Speaker 4:  That's hilarious. All red in face waiting for me.
55:38  Speaker 4:  Open it up. Rip out the giant dildo. Oh, man. They they just whip it out
55:43  Speaker 4:  and place it on the table. And they're like, this is not what you declared, mister White.
55:49  Speaker 4:  So This is not steroids. And like This is a penis. I I I yeah. Yeah. I I I took I took a look at it. I mean,
55:58  Speaker 4:  it was it was a pretty weird situation to find myself in. And I I just moved it around a little bit. Oh, man. And I could feel, you know, that inside the plastic, inside the rubber,
56:08  Speaker 4:  there there is a stuff moving. So I just told them, yeah. Hey, can you touch this head and shield it up? Oh, man. That is too funny. Definitely that definitely Definitely.
56:19  Speaker 0:  It definitely fits the craziest. And I was
56:21  Speaker 4:  yeah. And I was I was standing with a straight face to a customs officer,
56:25  Speaker 4:  some sort of a major or something like that. Like, here, please, do grab this dildo, throw me, and tell me what you think.
56:36  Speaker 4:  Yeah.
56:37  Speaker 4:  They they they they could feel the vials, so they just took up a knife and they opened it up and were like,
56:42  Speaker 4:  well, I guess I guess you were right. It's just the packaging was a bit unconventional,
56:47  Speaker 4:  mister Magic.
56:48  Speaker 4:  We apologize about the inconvenience.
56:51  Speaker 3:  Oh, man. Did he say why he did that? I know. Did he did that because he thought he was trying to smuggle the steroids in. Right? Like, essentially, he thought that it would be
57:00  Speaker 3:  the customs wouldn't like him sending the steroids to you. Is that correct? Or did he just do this Wow. For fun? Was,
57:07  Speaker 4:  yeah, it was 0.5 bad and 0.5 or 0.5 to just fuck with me. Oh my god. That's right. That's funny. We we were Good for him. We were really great. Yeah. He was he was he was a great friend. Oh, god. It was it was pretty hilarious. I liked I liked his humor. I'll just say, I can find the humor in that. If if my buddy did that, I would think he was funny. Would think that's funny. Got me, bro. Like, hey. You won that round.
57:29  Speaker 3:  Yeah.
57:30  Speaker 4:  Definitely did.
57:31  Speaker 3:  Well,
57:32  Speaker 3:  shoot. Peter, 1st of all, guess I do have 1 more question. We're running out of time, but I do dude, I love your, like, down to earth, like, logic
57:42  Speaker 3:  in all of your answers. Like, thank you. It's actually really nice to hear somebody just break things down and, well, look at the economics.
57:49  Speaker 3:  This is the right this is why I think people do things. Anyway, I wanted to make that observation. But 2 is how come
57:57  Speaker 3:  you have not if if receiving receiving all these packages and customs is such a pain in the ass, how come you haven't ever relocated to America? And
58:04  Speaker 3:  is it can companies do what you're doing in America, or do they not like because because AMBLOX steroids are absolutely illegal,
58:13  Speaker 3:  Would that pose problems for a company to be doing what you do in America?
58:18  Speaker 4:  Oh, it's not possible at all. You have to get a DA license to deal with anabolics.
58:22  Speaker 4:  Okay. And you're not getting that if you're serving commercial
58:26  Speaker 4:  clients at all. Okay. Right. So
58:29  Speaker 4:  that's not possible. You can test peptides in The US Yeah. As long as they're not scheduled as well. For example, human growth hormone is scheduled. So if you have labs without license that are doing that, they're committing.
58:42  Speaker 4:  Well, I'm not sure if it's outright felony, but they ought not to be doing that. I'm not specialists in that.
58:49  Speaker 4:  And it is the same with many of the peptides because they service performance enhancing drugs, you know, the growth hormones like retagogues, the peptides that make you release more growth hormone.
59:00  Speaker 4:  They're scheduled as well, I believe, in The US. So
59:06  Speaker 4:  the labs, which don't hold the paperwork to deal with this, they shouldn't really be touching that. They're Okay. Legally liable for doing that. Okay. So
59:16  Speaker 4:  it's testing GLP-1s
59:19  Speaker 4:  is
59:21  Speaker 4:  legally alright as far as I can tell, but
59:24  Speaker 4:  you don't need that much of an equipment to deal the same 3 peptides over and over again.
59:30  Speaker 0:  So
59:32  Speaker 4:  and
59:33  Speaker 4:  what to my surprise, a lot of the small labs in The US can screw even that up pretty badly.
59:39  Speaker 4:  Mean,
59:41  Speaker 4:  I mean, nothing nothing that we do is that difficult, really. Mhmm. What's difficult is just keeping it all together. Yeah. You have to keep up the international
59:50  Speaker 4:  logistics,
59:51  Speaker 4:  the customs,
59:53  Speaker 4:  the paperwork for scheduled substances because everything
59:57  Speaker 4:  we test is scheduled in Czech Republic.
1:00:00  Speaker 4:  Or every single peptide GLP ones, they're treated the same way as anabolics over here. Oh, wow. Good. So
1:00:07  Speaker 4:  we're we're we're the highest security level most likely there is commercially in this country. We have security cameras and everything.
1:00:14  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Everywhere the you have to put your chip to each door to be able to enter
1:00:21  Speaker 4:  because the government, they just tell us they want us to do that. Yeah. Yeah. And
1:00:28  Speaker 4:  then you have to have
1:00:30  Speaker 4:  imagine just receiving
1:00:32  Speaker 4:  400 packages in a single day. You have to have so much stuff on hand just to open up the packages, let alone
1:00:40  Speaker 4:  classify them to orders and everything.
1:00:45  Speaker 4:  Actually, opening up the packages properly.
1:00:48  Speaker 4:  Yeah. It's taking up more time than the actual testing.
1:00:51  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Well, that's crazy.
1:00:54  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just just just keeping
1:00:57  Speaker 4:  everything smooth, logistically, is the most difficult part. It's it's Heard the I mean, it's pretty easy if you're getting 10 or 50 samples Right. Yeah. A week.
1:01:08  Speaker 4:  Yeah. But once you
1:01:10  Speaker 4:  start getting so many samples, they stop fitting a single room. Mhmm.
1:01:16  Speaker 4:  Organization is key. Yeah.
1:01:18  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Yeah. That's the that's the most difficult part. What that's what the scaling is the issues we are facing right now. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Dude, that's amazing. Can you your lab?
1:01:29  Speaker 3:  I'm just asking, is that a possibility? Is like, could JD and I come visit your lab?
1:01:35  Speaker 3:  Because you said that some you have people visiting. Right?
1:01:39  Speaker 4:  Yeah. I mean, we're 30 minutes from Prague International Airport,
1:01:43  Speaker 4:  and I pride myself, and we pride ourselves in being very transparent and open. I I love love it. That. So, for example, Monday, we had a lady visit.
1:01:53  Speaker 4:  She even brought a sample with her, which informed
1:01:58  Speaker 4:  her it's a felony
1:02:00  Speaker 4:  in Czechia.
1:02:01  Speaker 4:  Yeah. That's funny. And
1:02:04  Speaker 4:  she could see
1:02:06  Speaker 4:  how the sample is tested right in front of her. Well, that's right. Arrived. She took a walk with me. And before the walk was
1:02:13  Speaker 4:  over,
1:02:14  Speaker 4:  she had the result at hand.
1:02:17  Speaker 4:  So she could see how it's working. Of course, it was prioritized,
1:02:20  Speaker 4:  naturally. It's a different showcase.
1:02:22  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Right. But
1:02:25  Speaker 4:  the actual the actual
1:02:27  Speaker 4:  process
1:02:28  Speaker 4:  is so fast.
1:02:29  Speaker 4:  The tour
1:02:31  Speaker 4:  through all the labs, just the quick visit through all the labs we have That's cool. In in our 20,000
1:02:37  Speaker 4:  square feet Wow. Of
1:02:40  Speaker 4:  of buildings.
1:02:41  Speaker 4:  It's taking longer to just stroll around them than to have
1:02:45  Speaker 4:  sample
1:02:47  Speaker 4:  coming in from arriving to results available.
1:02:50  Speaker 0:  That is so cool. Yeah. We That's sweet. We might take you up on that offer by a steak. Yeah.
1:02:55  Speaker 4:  If you eat steak. What? No. Okay. Good. Just, I just strongly suggest shipping the sample in beforehand.
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1:04:04  Speaker 0:  of committing a felony over here and check feel like going into a Czechia prison. Peter, I that we gotta go, but I wanna I I know that the the listeners would want this, and you might not be able to answer this off the cuff
1:04:16  Speaker 0:  because they're they're worried, you know, like, you know, like, in The United States, just from some of the last few years on what we've all experienced,
1:04:23  Speaker 0:  people have lost some trust in just the Western medicine system and whatnot. So they're seeking things outside of that, which is great, you know, and they're finding things cheaper, which is great. Right?
1:04:33  Speaker 0:  But they are worried, are they getting what they're buying? And if you could answer this, great. If you can't, totally get it off the cuff.
1:04:41  Speaker 0:  On the all the stuff you're testing,
1:04:43  Speaker 0:  do you have, like, a percentage roughly of
1:04:46  Speaker 0:  what is over underdosed compared to what is dosed fine? Like, is it like,
1:04:51  Speaker 0:  70, 30, like, 90, 10? Is it can you even answer that? Like, 1 in 20 samples?
1:04:58  Speaker 4:  Well,
1:04:59  Speaker 4:  I do I do remember
1:05:01  Speaker 4:  a statistic I made for myself a couple weeks ago. Awesome. And roughly,
1:05:06  Speaker 4:  1 in 20
1:05:07  Speaker 4:  Mhmm. Samples
1:05:09  Speaker 4:  is completely wrong compound, nothing in there,
1:05:12  Speaker 4:  or Okay. Dose is so wrong, it cannot even be considered the same sample anymore. Sure.
1:05:18  Speaker 4:  And, of course, the last couple of weeks, they are screwing it up a little bit because we've received just so many samples that contain nothing at all. Yeah. Okay. It's
1:05:28  Speaker 4:  it's mostly it's not coming in from private persons, though. It's coming in from massive distributors. Like Okay. They're looking for new suppliers. Yeah. They they find a supplier. They offer 50 different peptides, so they send all 50 of them to me. Oh, man. And I get this coming in from multiple sites. And suddenly,
1:05:46  Speaker 4:  you have 600 samples that test empty
1:05:49  Speaker 0:  Oh, wow. In
1:05:50  Speaker 4:  a span of 3 weeks.
1:05:52  Speaker 4:  So but they
1:05:54  Speaker 4:  most likely never make it into the Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Yeah. Hopefully. The distributors, they won't buy the batch because they they protested.
1:06:02  Speaker 4:  But that's
1:06:04  Speaker 4:  right now, right the last couple of weeks, the statistic is a little bit skewed by that, actually.
1:06:10  Speaker 0:  That is interesting. And that's a way that's
1:06:13  Speaker 0:  awesome to hear because,
1:06:14  Speaker 0:  for people and Americans that are buying these peptides from
1:06:18  Speaker 0:  research companies,
1:06:20  Speaker 0:  a lot of people fake the the testing, and that's just part is what it is. So as long as you get legit testing in companies that actually test each batch or near, right, you're gonna be fine in regards to that because any company with any type of integrity, if that happened, you're not gonna it ain't gonna get to It didn't test out. And if you had a company that doesn't care or you have a smaller company or whatnot, you
1:06:43  Speaker 0:  you know what I mean? I mean, if it's a company that has integrity that it tests, which costs money,
1:06:49  Speaker 0:  quite a bit of money. So that money just typical supply and demand gets passed on to the customer because they have to test and it cost, but it's worth it to pay a little extra for the companies that are actually legit. So I think that's huge.
1:07:03  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Well, a lot of people a lot of people got into this peptide business because they saw the money in it. Right. They're rather good businessman
1:07:11  Speaker 4:  unlike a lot of people in the anabolic steroid and black box world. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
1:07:18  Speaker 4:  So and they figured very quick. It's cheaper
1:07:21  Speaker 4:  to provide high quality service Absolutely. In the long term than just rebrand every time they screw up or just deal with the
1:07:29  Speaker 4:  customer retention
1:07:30  Speaker 4:  Sure. Because they screwed up hard. Right. So it's just cheaper in the long or even medium run for them to do exceedingly good job.
1:07:39  Speaker 4:  Mhmm. Yeah.
1:07:40  Speaker 4:  Than to try to catch up later on at
1:07:44  Speaker 0:  or to rebrand if they screw up real hard. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Peter, we've kept you on. I know it's getting late there. Last question, and then we'll let you we'll wrap this up.
1:07:55  Speaker 0:  Where do you go from here? Anything new in your future? Do you see any type of changes? Are you just kinda
1:08:01  Speaker 0:  mowed along and and just gonna kinda be just kinda doing what you're doing? Is there any type of growth that you see, any type of compounds that you see, or is it just kinda moving along as you've been?
1:08:12  Speaker 4:  Well, we've grown
1:08:13  Speaker 4:  50%
1:08:15  Speaker 4:  Wow. In
1:08:17  Speaker 4:  last 3 months alone.
1:08:19  Speaker 4:  So Damn. That's insane.
1:08:21  Speaker 4:  We're having trouble just adjusting to that. Right. So
1:08:25  Speaker 4:  right now, I'm putting up out fires all day, every day for 16 hours days. And so Yeah.
1:08:32  Speaker 4:  It gets a little better soon. Otherwise, I'll go crazy.
1:08:36  Speaker 4:  And after we we we we got our own NMR machine, which is a very fancy machine that lets you analyze completely unknown stuff.
1:08:45  Speaker 4:  So that
1:08:46  Speaker 4:  was that was over 1000000 dollars. Mhmm. And
1:08:53  Speaker 4:  that's that lets us do a lot more exciting stuff in testing.
1:08:58  Speaker 4:  Yeah. Oh, exciting to me, which is Yeah. Yeah. Which might be a little weird. It is exciting nevertheless.
1:09:05  Speaker 4:  And
1:09:07  Speaker 4:  what I'd like to do at some point is to start up a similar service for
1:09:14  Speaker 4:  drugs drugs as a
1:09:17  Speaker 4:  narcotics just
1:09:19  Speaker 4:  for the sheer harm reduction possibilities. Yeah. They're catching on stuff. There's
1:09:25  Speaker 4:  a there's a lot of noncommercial
1:09:27  Speaker 4:  services that do this. Yeah. There's
1:09:29  Speaker 4:  a government funded labs that do this testing.
1:09:33  Speaker 4:  But
1:09:35  Speaker 4:  if you have a free lab that's the government funded that's testing drugs, for example, dancing drugs, ecstasy or cocaine
1:09:43  Speaker 4:  for people, but they take 2 months to deliver the results. Yeah. Of course, the people have already used it up, but we never
1:09:50  Speaker 4:  whatever
1:09:51  Speaker 4:  the result might end up being. Yes. So
1:09:54  Speaker 4:  I would like I would like to introduce this sort of harm reduction service that's very fast and available to people. Oh, cool.
1:10:02  Speaker 4:  Because
1:10:03  Speaker 4:  well, the entire point of my business was harm reduction.
1:10:07  Speaker 4:  Yeah. And this seems like natural area to expand this to that could help a lot of people. I mean, when I was studying the med school,
1:10:16  Speaker 4:  we we we had this guy who was, like, 20 years old,
1:10:21  Speaker 4:  and he spent a couple weeks in coma and
1:10:25  Speaker 4:  a lot more weeks in the hospital because he he took something that he thought was ecstasy and it didn't turn out to be that. Oh, wow. It screwed up him so badly. It cost him, like,
1:10:36  Speaker 4:  a couple $100,000
1:10:38  Speaker 4:  to hospitalize him, to keep him to keep him in the hospital. Unreal. And all this could be prevented easily just by, you know, the testing like this being available. Yeah. And
1:10:48  Speaker 4:  I'm rather confident we wouldn't even need to be government funded
1:10:52  Speaker 4:  because the people a lot of people, they would gladly pay Yeah. Just to be safer
1:10:57  Speaker 4:  and to be able to make safer decisions.
1:11:00  Speaker 4:  And
1:11:02  Speaker 4:  I would be really happy about being able to help people like this. I mean,
1:11:06  Speaker 4:  I don't judge whoever
1:11:07  Speaker 4:  is using whatever Right. Correct. Drug.
1:11:11  Speaker 4:  But I feel that the current services that are available
1:11:15  Speaker 4:  are not really able to provide the level of harm reduction that's easily possible to provide to people. So that's 1 of the 1 of the spaces I would love to expand. It's just doing the testing,
1:11:26  Speaker 4:  just slightly different. Doing the testing I love, just slightly different, and it's a different way to help people solve their problems Yeah. And help them stay safe. Yeah. Mhmm. So I would love to do that at some point. But, obviously,
1:11:39  Speaker 4:  we've been trying to do that for years, but legally,
1:11:44  Speaker 4:  it's impossible.
1:11:45  Speaker 4:  We're we we we we we we try to influence the lawmaking process in this country just to be able to do that because currently,
1:11:53  Speaker 3:  it's just not legally possible to do this as a as a commercial company. Yeah. Yeah. You need fast turnaround on that too. But, well, that's awesome, dude. I commend you on that. That's both close to JD and I's heart. Like, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of dead friends that we have, to be honest. Like, we've been sober for a while and, like, I we literally,
1:12:14  Speaker 3:  yes, have too many friends that have died. I just we go to funerals pretty often Yes. Because of drugs. So that's a good service.
1:12:22  Speaker 4:  I love it, man. Good for you. So I'm so sorry to hear that. And I would like to, I mean,
1:12:28  Speaker 4:  I did save up a couple of lives by the testing. We've got stuff like Clint Butterol, those thousand times higher than it ought to be,
1:12:36  Speaker 4:  and some other stuff like that. And I feel like in this direction, if I take it up, I could make a lot more difference. Right. For people That's awesome. Yeah. That's so cool. Than than we already do. I mean,
1:12:51  Speaker 4:  there's not much else to achieve for me. I mean, my hobbies are, like, really cheap. I like taking walks
1:12:57  Speaker 4:  and
1:12:58  Speaker 4:  riding riding around riding around the bicycle.
1:13:01  Speaker 0:  So Peter, you're 32, brother. You're 32, and let me just tell you, it only gets worse. Then now it's like 0.5 a walk.
1:13:08  Speaker 0:  I'm 40 I'm 48, so then the the walk turns in 0.5 a walk in 3 naps.
1:13:13  Speaker 0:  I'm joking. It's that kind of
1:13:15  Speaker 0:  boring becomes fun. Yeah. That's my point.
1:13:17  Speaker 4:  Man, you you have been I had my share of I had my share of fun and interesting stuff happening.
1:13:25  Speaker 4:  So I'm
1:13:26  Speaker 4:  not quite I'm now quite content with what I have.
1:13:30  Speaker 0:  Man, you've been an absolute pleasure. We were both really looking forward to this. I I said to Will, I don't know, a couple weeks ago, I'm like, dude, let's keep Peter magic on, like and I sent the email and you got back to me, man. I was really stoked about that, because we've been dealing
1:13:43  Speaker 0:  with you for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. We you guys are amazing. We're not just saying that. You guys are really fast at all your responses and whatnot. So Mhmm. You've earned it, my friend. Yeah. And you literally single handedly basically, like, revolutionized
1:13:56  Speaker 0:  the revolutionized
1:13:58  Speaker 0:  the, like, hormonal
1:14:00  Speaker 0:  you've really just up made everybody
1:14:03  Speaker 0:  level up in all of their production everywhere. Right? Because you said when you started this, nobody was testing anything. Right? And the level of products were shit. Once you introduce testing It pushed people to make go, oh, crap. We better make good stuff. Right? And this trickled down to where we are today. So congratulations.
1:14:20  Speaker 3:  Everybody should take a bow, my friend. Debt of gratitude.
1:14:23  Speaker 4:  Thank you. I I now
1:14:25  Speaker 3:  I'm blushing, really. Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's really cool, man. And, so thank you so much. Hopefully,
1:14:32  Speaker 0:  we can get out there,
1:14:33  Speaker 0:  honestly, and,
1:14:35  Speaker 0:  see your facility. And like I said, take you to to a nice dinner and break some bread, so to speak. And you seem like good people, man, and, that's what we like to hang with. So Yeah. Bless you, my friend. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on.
1:14:48  Speaker 0:  Well, please do come over and let me know. I'll be looking forward to that. And thank you too. It's been a real pleasure for me as well. Cool. Alright, brother. Well, blessings to you. And then everybody else, we will this will be dropping on Monday. We'll send that this to you, Peter, and get you in the next round. I apologize. It's probably gonna bring you a little bit more business and make you more busy, so we're sorry.
1:15:08  Speaker 4:  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm already a bit scared of that. Yeah. We we will need to hire a lot more people Yeah. As soon as we can. Yeah.
1:15:16  Speaker 0:  Alright, man. Take care. Care, brother. Okay, guys. Take the next round. Thank you very much. See you. See you.