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0:24Speaker 1Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week Podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham. Across the way, my buddy,
0:59Speaker 2they did not come in brown, but those look brown. We got some new ones. Although, can I, I'm sorry, but let me I'm gonna maybe put you on blast, JD, is I asked I said, hey, man? These cats came in cream. What's up with that? We really wanted khaki, and I'm not and I like I approved it. Yeah. He goes, well and he sent me an email. He goes, well, this is the email that JD said. Says, can we order please have cream colored hats? No. Yes.
1:23Speaker 2Cream colored hats? I can't even imagine me saying that. I know. So whatever. Really? Yeah. So, and I mean, I I asked him, I said, look, did I see you before I got sober? Like respond. I'm not asking you, like, replace these. Like, it's all good. And he's like, well, they actually
1:37Speaker 2this is JD's email. Oh my god. Wow. That's funny, actually. Yeah. Yeah. I would have not. I'm surprised you didn't tell me that. Yeah. Well My fault. There was no point in telling you. So, like Well, I was thinking it was your fault, so I'm the culprit.
1:52Speaker 2I like the beige khaki a lot better. Yeah, it looks good too. Yeah. But yeah, I'm a little sick. You gotta hear my voice, but
2:11Speaker 1All that stuff. Yeah. I was telling Will, I was feeling sick. What was it like a week or so ago? And I
2:17Speaker 1do carnivore stuff and so I don't eat fruit, but I was feeling shitty. So I went and what I used to do when I was younger, I would go to like a Jamba Juice, which I don't know if those even exist anymore, do they? I haven't seen them forever. So I went to a juice place and
2:31Speaker 1got a juice, just a fresh squeezed orange juice, and I would drink 2 huge things of it, man. It always used to make me feel better when I was young. So I did that too, and it seemed like it worked. That's a good idea to try that. You know, the 1 thing about being sick is like,
2:45Speaker 2I don't know. I've always been the philosophy, like, just go run it out of myself. You know, if you,
2:50Speaker 2if you just go, oh, I just need to rest more. The more you rest, the more time you just lay there
2:56Speaker 2feeling how shitty you feel and just amplifying it in your own brain. I'm just way better off just,
3:02Speaker 2feel better when you Just go do something. Go do something more and run it out. Sweat it out. No. I know that yeah. It's a gym. Do something. I
3:14Speaker 1at, the Paseo that we were talking about. And I stayed there and had 1 night because I needed some sleep. And it's right by the gym that we go sometimes or we used to go, but I've gone for wherever and they have a steam room that's just- Yeah, it's nice. So I hit the steam room, got some OJ, got some sleep.
3:32Speaker 1Did not bring it upon my travels, but so lesson learned. I gave you shit. I gave him shit. So I gave him shit. I did. I said, I'm hoping that you took some Thymosin Alpha and
3:51Speaker 11 of the most knowledgeable supplement guys I know. And he doesn't follow his own Well, that's the thing, you know, do as I say, not as I do. That's
4:09Speaker 1well, today's a cool day. I, I, I, we're, I think we're going to both enjoy this. We're going to talk about some peptides
4:41Speaker 1obesity drug. I've read both numerous times, whatever 1 you want to choose. It's AOD-nine thousand 604. AOD is what we call it anyway, but, it's a damn good peptide. I was actually surprised today
4:54Speaker 1with Will telling me that he's never taken it. So was surprised by that because I've, it's probably
5:05Speaker 1And so it basically back in the, I think it was late, late nineties, scientists were studying human growth hormone and they found the last piece of the human growth hormone chain, the last 15 amino acids were
5:39Speaker 1So it's great though. It's great. You know, anything in regards to this, you haven't tried this, you can't even give, I know you know a lot about peptides in general, but, I can give you the fact of
6:02Speaker 22nd place would be AOD. Probably based on how many people are taking it, buying it, I mean, and swearing by it. Yeah. I mean, I hear nothing, but everybody just loves it and it works great. The reason I don't take it, like, I don't know. I'm naturally a skinny person, and so I tend to not really take any fat burners. Yeah. Because my problem is
6:24Speaker 2keeping enough muscle on. But if I go down to like eating 3 meals a day, I'll lose 10 pounds. Wow. How many meals you eat? How many meals you eat? I mean, probably 3 to 4 to 5 sometimes, you know, I've always believed in, I eat like small frequent meals. Now I could always be better. Right? I'm not at my like
6:45Speaker 2yeah, like I always have a protein shake after I lift. Always have a protein shake right before I go to sleep. Like post workout and we'll talk about this why, but especially with IGF-one, but like post workout, right, that is when our muscles are now like just the biggest sponges. Right? They just need nutrients because you just tore them down, and they're looking for building materials. So post workout and then right before we go to sleep because
7:09Speaker 2builds most of our muscles. So that's when we need building materials. People say, you know, don't eat before you go to bed. Well, cool. Don't eat like cinnamon rolls and cake
7:18Speaker 2a whole bunch right before you go to bed. But like you need protein. If you want to build muscle, eat that stuff right before bed. Yeah. A lot of people won't eat carbs before bed. Yeah. And then I'll
7:39Speaker 1Will was always I I think we've probably talked about this on the show numerous times. Well, let's talk about it again because it's something that's always irritated me. So we've known each other a long time, and he just is the type of dude that's always in good shape. He's a good looking dude, but he's always in good shape.
7:53Speaker 1And I watch him eat cookies and I watch him eat cake and I watch him like, listen, I'm in good shape too, but I don't eat that stuff because if I eat that stuff, I don't look like this. So it drove me freaking crazy. I'm like, he's just
8:12Speaker 1I think I think in the last years when I finally changed that, believe it or not, dude, but like,
8:16Speaker 2hey, man. Some people I've been blessed with being, like, yes, being tall and having an ultra fast metabolism.
8:25Speaker 2Some people have to be super disciplined. What? Like, here's what people don't see is like, yes, cool. We're sitting in meetings. I'm eating all the cookies, and I still eat sweets pretty regularly, but I also work hard. Right? I've consistently
8:39Speaker 2Always, always, always lifting weights 5 days a week at the very minimum. Right? I think my 1st year of sobriety, went 3 64 days to the gym and often a lot of those days was weird twice a day, right?
8:51Speaker 2I had to replace some, you know, this addiction and, and that's the only thing that made me feel better. What
8:56Speaker 2people don't see is yes, the lifetime of lifting and building muscle that stays on me, which in turn boosts my metabolism. Right? My my basal metabolic rate is probably like 2,600
9:16Speaker 2calories. That just because of the amount of lean muscle I have on me. And I am, I'm six'four, 2 45. And so, yeah, I'm naturally a lean person. I have to work hard to put, to keep muscle on, but I,
9:39Speaker 1You'll catch up sometime, though, soon. I bet. You know what's funny, man? Actually, you say that. You know what's it's funny. So I remember before you were, like, in your forties. Uh-huh.
9:46Speaker 1Because years ago, I would always be like, it's gonna get them. Forties, man. My it was 38 for me. Like, I could eat pretty much what I wanted until, like, 38, and then all of sudden I went, and
9:56Speaker 1I was like, somebody had taken a picture, and I was still lifting weights. I was still kind of eating. Okay? And then I looked at the picture of me, I'm like, dude, I'm fat.
10:04Speaker 2Holy yeah. It was a 38 man. I was saying, and I got my testosterone checked. Was Under 300. So That'll do it too. Like, folks, yes. I mean, I can I stay in shape, but I also my hormones are are optimized? You know? My metabolism is fast because
10:28Speaker 2sure helps, right? Just being smart. The technology is there. We know how to take the stuff safely.
10:38Speaker 1you know, we've discussed it a few times, but like going through some of my comments, if I post something on TRT or whatnot, and it's always fun to, it's always fun to read some of the comments because it's like, dude, this is an educated
10:48Speaker 1opinion that people are having in regards to why would you want to feel like shit? You don't need to feel like shit. So you can feel great. You can feel like a 31 year old. Remember how easy it was in the same shape as you're 31? It was a lot easier. You still had to like take care of yourself, but like,
11:02Speaker 1you can feel like that when you're in your mid forties, fifties. You can feel like that, dude. So it's like- Right. Or people who are like 70.
11:14Speaker 2What? You're gonna die 5 years early? Big deal. Yeah. What do you got to lose at this point? In the gym, though.
11:20Speaker 1I've now, dude, I'm the you're seeing a lot of dudes that are like long old freaking ripped.
11:25Speaker 1Well, oddly, you got the TRT and I guarantee there are growth hormone. Absolutely. Yeah.
11:40Speaker 1peptides, which there's numerous secretagogues obviously, but a peptide families that live in the same house, so to speak, and they all kind of to a degree they're related,
11:49Speaker 1but do different stuff. So you got human growth hormone, which is like the dad, the grandfather, so to speak. And that's just, it's got it all. You got your human growth hormone. That's going to be better sleep. You got, it's going to be helped with anti aging
12:07Speaker 1Jeez, you can go on and on. What did I say? Antiaging skin, hair, nails, all the movie starts taking I mean, fat burning, it's going to actually increase, you know, satellite cell recovery.
12:20Speaker 2recover faster and make your actual muscle fibers bigger, it will create brand new muscle fibers, right, new sorts of new stem cells in your body. That's because it makes your muscles denser.
12:40Speaker 2stop that. So there's nothing that goes in you. That's the finished product, and that's really broad spectrum. So it does everything. Yep. I would say, though,
12:49Speaker 2it leans towards a little bit more fat burning than muscle gain. Yeah. Okay? For sure. We're gonna say like, hey, what it's definitely gonna help speed and you really notice growth when you're when you it's it's a very subtle thing. Right? When you stop. Right. You go, oh, shit. That's what it was doing. Okay. Now I know. For sure. Cause there's not people like, oh great. When do I get to feel the enhanced energy? Right? Like that's not a thing. It
13:12Speaker 2is not the miracle drug that people think it is who don't take it. But so, but it needs to be taken over time for a long period of time. But broad spectrum, absolutely sleep,
13:25Speaker 2but really kind of skin. You take it for 5 years straight and your skin's going to look like it does after 5 years like it is now. Yeah.
13:33Speaker 2And you don't have to take a lot. Just be consistent. So broad spectrum, but leaning towards fat burning. Then, and nothing really can stop it because it is the hormone. So then you have your growth hormone peptides. Those
13:55Speaker 2some things can stop that. So basically that takes, it just activates your pituitary to,
14:09Speaker 2may not, if you already have a ton of growth, right? Your pituitary may not go, oh, I don't really feel like waking up that much. Sorry. So it can, if you have a lot of growth hormone on board, it can dull that pituitary response.
14:25Speaker 2But also this way is the natural is the natural way. Right? That's how our body makes growth hormones. So this stuff is is safe and our body makes growth hormone You can have it with screen boxes. Yes. Right. Right. Right. Our body makes growth hormone impulses maybe like 6 a day. Our biggest pulse is right before we go to sleep or right after we fall asleep. Okay. That and, and you know, like they're in a decently good 1, right? As we wake up during middle of the day, they're just kind of weak pulses. So that is why we don't grow much muscle during the day. Our body is stressed out and doing and has or has its mind on other things. The last thing it's really wanting to do is build muscle. It's early in the morning and while we're sleeping. Okay. So
15:16Speaker 2affects the size of the pulse instead of actually creating pulses. That's why it's with most of them. Can take it with. Yeah. That's why they're synergistically work, right? Like pituitary.
15:25Speaker 2All right, guys, let's kickstart it. And then the Ipamorelin is there to just boost that pulse. Right. That makes sense. Yeah.
15:32Speaker 1So that's what, that's how the growth hormone works. Now where the growth, the HGH secreted gags. Ipamorelin will also be as a little beacon and like a buffer that if your body's making too much growth hormone, it can actually
15:44Speaker 1slow down a little. That's why 1 of the many reasons why Ipamorelin is ran with, you know Yeah. Yeah. Sermorelin, you know, most of those, know?
15:52Speaker 2Okay. But And it also well, and also Ipamorelin just like MK, it works on your ghrelin receptor, which in turn makes you hungry.
16:00Speaker 1Do you feel like that on that? I don't. Not anyway. Because it's just not as strong as
16:11Speaker 2right? And it's actually how this you take when we have growth hormone, whether we put it in, right, exogenously
16:17Speaker 2or we have our pituitary make it. Yep. It now goes into our liver and our liver then produces the IGF-one,
16:29Speaker 2So naturally, that's how that goes. So and also just incidentally, when you go get a blood test for your HGH, they test your IGF-one level. Totally. There's no way to really test accurately your HGH levels. They wanna test
16:41Speaker 2this. What's going down? We already know. I mean, we basically know how based on how this is, how high this is, is how much HGH is being made. Right? So they test that. Now that 1, so when we talk about IGF-1LR-three,
17:11Speaker 2is that 1 is growth, growth, growth, growth signaling. Like that is your best. If you say HGH is really broad spectrum, a little bit more towards fat burning. This 1 is way more towards muscle. Trying to get some muscle on. It'll also help with those satellite cells creating new muscular cells,
17:28Speaker 2and it will help with nutrient partitioning. Yep. Which is why people get a massive pump. Yeah. There is because it's basically, it's taking your glucose and just shoving it where your body is asking for it. Yep. Right? Which you get a huge pump. The worry there is it sucks glucose out of you to shove it right where it wants to be, and it can be a problem making somebody go hypo hyperglycemic.
17:50Speaker 2He's looking at me right now. Tell him why. So if you're on keto, basically, you're on keto or cardiovert and you have no sugars in you,
17:57Speaker 2that is the 1 worry with IGF-one. Right. Is this gonna pull the little bits of sugars that you have that you really need out of you, shove them to your muscles, and now you don't have them. And then we can blood sugar crash and not feel good. Yeah. Holy shit. Then your AOD is the final is
18:13Speaker 2This is the amino acid. Last 15. Mhmm. Amino acid chain is 190 one-one 90 one-one 100 That's HGH. That's HGH.
18:25Speaker 2It's 15. It's amino acids 177 through 191. Yep. And it's only responsible for fat burning. There's light polypolysis purely.
18:35Speaker 2None of this, you get none of the benefits, but you also get none of the potential negatives, which is like insulin sensitive, decreased insulin sensitivity.
18:44Speaker 1None of that stuff, just pure, pure, pure fat burning. So let's go through that again really quickly, just for everybody because you went quick and that was great. That was, you did that. I love it. So you got your HGH, that was great. You did your HGH, which is going to be like basically synthetic growth
18:58Speaker 1hormone. You're going take it generally what we would say was people will argue this, but in the morning,
19:09Speaker 1and Hexarelin, and can go on and on. So to the secretagogues, we generally take those at night. At night to amplify natural
19:15Speaker 2regular pulse that's already going to be big. You take those to boost that 1. Right? It's going to help your body. It's own- In the morning, you don't have that great pulse. So we take the straight
19:26Speaker 2in the morning to really kind of produce a pulse because if you take the HGH at night,
19:51Speaker 1so to speak on some aspects because of the cancer thing. Let's talk about just for a 2nd. So I'll just give you my opinion. I am not a doctor, so don't take this as bond, but I have read a lot about it. I've taken it for years.
20:07Speaker 1It's gonna be a problem. Like, you can drink way too much water. Water. Like, it's anything. Like, anything that we take too much of is gonna be a problem. Now, I'm not- Propel fitness water with Gatorade electrolytes,
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20:32Speaker 1there's no risk at all. My opinion with the studying that I have done, I would just talk about me. If you're taking 2 IU,
21:01Speaker 1I use We're talking 2 IUs. It's a tiny amount. And it's just like if you're taking 180
21:20Speaker 1potential of having problems. So same thing with HGH. So let's I just wanted to touch on that a little bit because I think it has such a bad rap because I get questions all the time. Aren't you gonna worry about cancer? Well, and HGH
21:47Speaker 1You've seen the dudes, and I won't say his name, but you I mean, you're probably gonna know who I'm talking about because he's 1 of my favorite guys. I love his stuff. He's passed on by now. But when he started taking a lot of growth hormone, he looked like an ogre. Like, he was a good looking dude, and then they was taking, like, 25 IUs of, like, growth hormone a day. Yeah. And then his head got all big and it's just like, woah, bro. Like, you know what I mean? Like, again, I'm not ripping on him, but that's what happens. You're taking too much, dude. Like, you don't what happens? Everything grows. Your head grows. Your heart grows.
22:15Speaker 1Everything will grow. Right. Everything, everything, everything will grow. So low dose, I'm not worried about. Low dose, agree. Fair
22:27Speaker 1is over here. It's just, I'm not that worried about it personally. The rewards are for anybody 40 are freaking amazing.
22:34Speaker 1Like Will said, like you don't, it's not, you feel human growth hormone. You, you, you feel it when you come off of it because once you get to like 6 months, if you're taking, let's just use 2 ways for example,
22:53Speaker 1I'm not saying you should, but I'm saying you have the ability to do that because your body's burning fat. Yep. Right? So
22:58Speaker 2that's notice it when you stop using it. You notice it when you stop using it. It's not like you feel a shift in your body, but you do sleep good pretty quickly. I felt that pretty quickly. You get pumps immediately. Like, here's the sign number 1 that it's, well, carpal tunnel. So, yes, here's the signs people say, like, that it is absolutely
23:15Speaker 2leaking, and this doesn't happen immediately. It needs to build up a bit. You like, carpal tunnel. So your joints should be a little bit swollen and, like, kinda can't really make the make a fist. Yep.
23:29Speaker 2some people, you'll feel a little tingling in your fingers. I get the tingling for sure. Yeah. People have this overactive nerve where they, like, can't they can't take it. It's it just nerves and blast them down their forearms.
23:47Speaker 2you know that that's working there. But yes, the pumps, you will definitely know pretty also when you start to growth, you should be a little bit tired. So people talking saying, hey, I started taking damn, why do I feel so just, like, run down and exhausted? Right? Well, your body is now working
24:05Speaker 2to try to grow everything. Right? It's not an easy thing for us to grow brand new muscle tissue out of nowhere. So your body, it's just, you're just, it's just a kind of a shock. Woah, body's really using energy to burn. Well, guess what? That means it's building muscle and it's burning fat because it's using those calories. So that's a good sign that ends up going away and your body stabilizes. So You remember me calling you or telling you that? Yeah. Yeah, do. I mean, it's been years now. Do you remember when I 1st started taking it? And I couldn't
24:32Speaker 1even lift, dude. My elbows and my wrists were killing me. And I think I I think I was doing 3. You're putting 2 lives. Doing 3 and I just went down to 2. I think I went through doing it for 1 for a long time, then I finally went to 2. But anyways, you gotta find your sweet spot like we always talk about. For me, it's 2. I don't think anybody needs to do over 2. Like, you can go a little bit to pass that and do 3, but you're a big guy, so you can get away with 3. You don't need a lot, And it goes a long way. I would say the recommended dosing for men is like 2 to 4 I use. I
25:12Speaker 1You can dispense when you start doing that. But 2 IUs, if you break down the math compared to like a secretagogue,
25:17Speaker 1it's actually works out a little bit cheaper. Yeah. It might be depending on the IUs you buy, but like, you know I mean? So you got the HGH. We've been rambling about that because we love it obviously, but the AOD literally is literally is the last piece and it's very simple. It just burns fat.
25:33Speaker 1It burns fat. I take it. I love it. And again, I'm not going to say it's, it's comparable to Retrutide,
25:40Speaker 1it's here. And it's in my arsenal again, I think it's in my top 3 because it works that good. If somebody is looking to
25:49Speaker 1if you have taken Retrutide and a lot of people through the Q and a want to come off for whatever reason, doesn't matter why
25:56Speaker 1this would be a filler and they work in tandem as well. If you're running Reta and AOD, they would work like
26:03Speaker 2lighting a fire. But it is a great filler, like we say, do you know, run the peptides,
26:12Speaker 23 to 4 months or so. Like, if you're doing a metabolic peptide, then then don't just stop all of them. Now this AOD is a great 1 to replace. Right? Absolutely. Now you'd go AOD. Right? You were on Retatr or you were on, I don't know, 5 m 1 and 2. Right? Go to go to AOD.
26:28Speaker 2And then go back and do the cycle. Your fluid is always burning tons of calories, especially
26:36Speaker 1like Will and I have talked about countless times. We say they're not in the category of gear.
26:42Speaker 1Sure most people know what I'm talking about. Steroids is what I'm talking about. I say gear, they're not, but where they shine, a lot of them is burning freaking fat, right? They burning fat. So AOD will do that.
26:54Speaker 1So yeah, that's the breakdown of the basically the family of the human growth hormone, AOD,
27:22Speaker 1to worry about any of the negative side effects of any type of the growth, the growth hormone,
27:26Speaker 1what the HGH would do. So you can run it for a long period. I mean, I run HGH for long periods anyway. So I think you can run it for a lot longer than 16
27:47Speaker 1About 16 weeks is what we say. We're going to say generally starting dose is going to be 2 50 micrograms to 500.
27:56Speaker 1you're trying to get super lean, you can do it twice a day. So I kind of go back and forth depending on my objectives at the time and how I'm looking and how I'm feeling. But I oftentimes will run,
28:28Speaker 2frag 1 76. K? So so the 1 76, 1 77 are pretty similar. So frag is a fragment of the h HGH chain. It's 16 of the amino acids, 1 76
28:57Speaker 29 6 0 4, over the HGH frag. Don't worry about insulin spikes. Yeah. So And the next thing is AOD is super hydrophobic.
29:06Speaker 2So people ought to know this. Right? Right? Yeah. We didn't notice. Mostly, I wouldn't even buy a bottle of of AOD that is in a 10 that's 10 mg because inevitably that's gonna have to be in mixed for so long
29:22Speaker 2solution you put in there, it's probably gonna gel up. So AOD is like the number 1 culprit, easiest peptide there is to gelling up.
29:41Speaker 2this AOD water, which is a mix of acetic acid, bacteriostatic water, and glycerin because the acetic acid can have a little bite to it. Glycerin helps dull that bite.
29:52Speaker 2Bacteriostatic water is bacteriostatic, and that's not really to keep it sterile because
29:56Speaker 2we're worried about you getting an infection. What we're worried about is the peptide having
30:01Speaker 2bacteria in it it diminishing the effectiveness of the peptide. That's why there's bacteriostatic water. That's why you should always mix with bacteriostatic water. But the acetic acid is the main thing that
30:19Speaker 2But It will gel up. It will gel up. If you just put bacteriostatic water in, chances are it's going to gel up. Get too cold. Also put in body or room temp water. 100%. You can keep your peptide in the fridge, but room temp water. Do not put too cold water in there. Yeah.
30:42Speaker 1I mean, not done at all. I don't really care. I mean, it's you just leave it out for a little bit. My experience with it, which is a lot,
30:49Speaker 1I've used bactericstatic water with it countless times, know, sometimes I even do because I don't have acidic water. So it is what it is, so I've done it for so long. And it does gel up sometimes. I put it out on the table for a little bit and it just, kind of settles and it's fine. I'm
31:03Speaker 1not worried about that. Some people are worried about all kinds of stuff. I've done this for a long time. I've done a lot of compounds. So if that's me, if you are worried about it, then don't do it. That's it. Eat his own. Live and let live.
31:15Speaker 1But yeah, it is amazing. I'm gonna throw a curve at you and tell you this because we didn't talk about this, but
31:34Speaker 2Some these are weight? Good. Great. I still would run, like, 1 of the geo I'd still run Reta as your, like, foundational
31:44Speaker 2testosterone and make sure that that's optimized in. As a woman, optimize your hormones also, and that may may that may also include testosterone.
32:05Speaker 2would run the AOD alongside that. Right? You're good. It's just gonna amplify your fat burning. I
32:16Speaker 2amplify the actual workout. Right? Don't take it if we want to be somebody who just wants to lose weight and do nothing or do nothing and then still lose weight.
32:28Speaker 2still make sure, yeah, if you're a person who's actually actively working out, it's going to work so much better. Yeah. Anybody
32:42Speaker 1like you said, the TRT, it's a must. If you do not run TRT and you're over 40, get your blood work done. Trust me. Retrutide
33:04Speaker 1if you're overweight, if you're lean, like I said, I give it to my bride and man, it just in days. Was like, babe, you look good. And it was the AOD because that stuff works good. Yeah. Know it's tough. Like, we get these questions constantly, and I get kind of,
33:18Speaker 2like, over the question. Like, what should I take? And it's the same answer every single time. What'd you take? Like, there are
33:30Speaker 2we don't know. They're all amazing. They're all really good. Really good. Reta is going to be the best and be foundational.
33:38Speaker 2try 1, then try the other and try the 1, try the other. Yeah. We don't know what's gonna work best on you. Right. There is no indication.
33:45Speaker 2I mean, there's a few things that stand out, like maybe like SLU-5s, if you're a performance athlete, you want better endurance.
33:51Speaker 2Cool. That's what you wanna take. But as far as just the pure fat burning, everything works
33:56Speaker 2somewhat equal. I'd say the AOD is probably the better, probably the 2nd best fat burner out there besides 1 of the GLPs.
34:06Speaker 2Just, you just gotta try them. Good question. We don't know. We don't know. AOD, here's my opinion. Retta, AOD,
34:17Speaker 2Yeah. And I do think that 5 Amino and L-one hundred and should not are are aren't aren't like,
34:22Speaker 2I don't know, like foundational their own fat burners. Right? I think they're very good, like adjunct or supplementary fat burners to others. Yeah.
34:30Speaker 2Agreed. And all of these can be rated with each other. Just don't stack GLP on top of GLP on top of GLP. Yeah.
34:37Speaker 1You know? But everything else actually absolutely can be. We obviously are gym rats and like we, we talk and we're in that world
34:45Speaker 1and there's, I know numerous people that take them all and I'm not saying you should or you shouldn't, I'm just telling you that they do and they look freaking grit.
34:55Speaker 1also eat really good too. So let's not get away from the diet. They don't sit on the couch and eat Doritos. They're working their butts off. They all, if you take care of yourself, man, and you take these things, they work well, but you can't sit down on the caption, hope they do well. 100%. These work as
35:24Speaker 2up to par, then you put something else, put any of these peptides in, bam. Now it's really worth fire.
35:47Speaker 2and is active in your muscles for hours, and it's sending this growth signal. With the LR3, that moves that to about 20 to 30 hours where it stays in your muscles
36:33Speaker 1people will, I mean, it's far, but it really does work well. You're going have, obviously
36:48Speaker 2it's just gonna turn muscle fibers. It's gonna grow your muscle fibers. Yep. It's just, it is a sick you know, it's a sick- I take it after I look. Molecule. It's not a hormone, but I mean, it, yes, it is just going to tell your muscles to grow and to take in nutrients. Right? So it's great with the nutrient partitioning as we had mentioned Yes. Which is why that helps to grow muscles. Right? So when we lift weights and we tear our muscles down, our muscles are just our sponges. We put the IGF-one in there and our and our muscles just shove in all the amino acids and glucose,
37:29Speaker 2which in turn ends up growing more muscles. Some people inject this into the site, which is kind of a fallacy. Like,
37:40Speaker 2or bad, but, yeah, cool. It's gonna stay, the IGF-one will be in those muscle fibers a little bit longer, but it rapidly
37:52Speaker 2I don't know, the muscle gain if you inject it into your bicep versus not versus just a regular SubQ injection, I don't know if you'll really
38:07Speaker 2anyway. If you think it does, it does. If think it does, it does. Just do it. Okay. It's just as good as putting it here. Right. You know?
38:18Speaker 2post workout. I do. Right. Yeah. Which is good. Like, muscle growth, right, post workout. Hey. That's when your muscles are ready to eat food, and now he puts that in there and that just double shoves protein in Yeah. For the next 20 to 30 hours. Yep. Right? Yep. Or if I'm gonna carve up. Pork. Yeah. Yeah. It's good if you're gonna eat a big carby meal. Mhmm. It's good to take it. Right. 1 strategy is do a little bit IGF-one.
38:41Speaker 2Eat that. Eat if you just, you know, when you eat a huge carb carb meal for dinner, you wake up in the morning, you're like, damn, I'm feeling full. Like, it's crazy. You do this and then have your cheat meal or day.
38:52Speaker 2You'll wake up in the morning with a stomach flat. Why? Because it just took those nutrients to put all that glucose Put them into the places. Shoved them into your muscles, and you will wake up feeling full
39:03Speaker 1I remember when Will 1st told me that, and then I I I checked him on it. I was saying I read about it. Was like, that's actually interesting. So when I went out and just just gorged myself back a few months ago when I was eating the cars
39:16Speaker 1I did. I woke up the next day and my stomach was freaking shredded. I'm like, wow, that's freaking rad. I think I called you. I'm like, dude, that stuff worked, dude. It's it's amazing.
39:23Speaker 2The other way, hey. If you wanna get really big pumps in the gym, do it pre workout. Yeah.
39:28Speaker 2But eat some carbs with it. And in fact, that that ought to be noted, everybody. Like, it is important to have some carbs on board. The 1 biggest worry is that it is going to suck all the glucose out of you, put it in your muscles, and now we
39:45Speaker 2I think it's So not for the best on people on the keto. Not not the best for people on keto. Is just gonna work better for you. Eat it. And I carbs. Even if you're on keto, like, shit, go ahead. Like, have a little bit of carbs Yeah. With it,
39:59Speaker 2get it won't really throw you out of keto the next day, I bet, if you had a little bit of carbs with it,
40:04Speaker 2because it works pretty fast. So it'll just shove. That's why you get that huge promotion. Test it. Yeah. I'll test it. Try that now. Test it. The
40:12Speaker 2other thing is like training style. Guys, some so some people you will notice, like, some people get,
40:18Speaker 2some people think, oh, man, that works awesome. Right? Then some people don't. Well What's the objective? A,
40:35Speaker 0Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade electrolytes.
41:01Speaker 2Right? And you need to be sore the next day and you probably wanna work. So you need, I'm saying like, I don't know,
41:07Speaker 28 to 15 reps on everything. Yeah. Helps with the And like a decently longer training span. I'm not saying train for 2 hours, but I'm also not saying just go do a 30 minute HIIT workout and be gone. It's not going to help there. You need to give your muscles, you need to break those muscles down thoroughly
41:25Speaker 1then feed them. It ain't gonna work because there are no building materials. Right? That's best thing you said all day. That's the truth. Like you gotta feed your mussels. You've got to feed them. Yeah. Gotta feed those things. Yeah.
41:37Speaker 2So nothing will work. And especially like you don't really want to run this for very long, I'd say 4 to 6 weeks. So you make those 4 to 6 weeks count and say, and make a damn commitment that you're gonna eat
41:50Speaker 2Because while you're taking it, shit, you like the protein, the muscle protein synthesis,
42:00Speaker 2New muscle fibers. That's now off the charts. Okay. Can't do it very long, but now's the time. If you think it's not working, you're probably not eating enough food because of course
42:10Speaker 2muscle don't get grown out of thin air. Right? Yeah. Now is the time. So shove those those muscles there. So, like, volume training
42:17Speaker 2is a very good idea. You have to be consistent. Right? I would train I would almost do like a like a like like a push pull leg split twice a week with 8
42:37Speaker 2Yeah. And eat a little bit of glucose pre workout post workout. Even glucose is always a good idea to have protein
42:44Speaker 2with your protein powder. It generally kind of spikes your insulin a bit, opens up your cells and now allows all those nutrients to go in there. You know, it's funny.
42:52Speaker 1So what was it? So October, November, December, I was doing carbs and I had not eaten carbs for literally 5 years. Like will knows I was disciplined
43:00Speaker 1carnivore. Like I built my channel on it, but I needed to change. And I, it was great to eat carbs. I hadn't had not had white rice in forever and I love white rice And it was great. And then, you know, it's funny what you made me think of this where I went back to my old school dude after I lifted, I was drinking protein shakes because I'm always fasting and I'm always eating fat. You know what I mean? So I don't live like that anymore, but it worked really good, bro. I got freaking It's freaking amazing when you got from fasting and keto and then you start eating carbs again, like bro. I was blown away by it. Yeah. I did not think it was gonna work that far. Yeah. About 25%.
43:34Speaker 1I actually talking about this to somebody yesterday at Andy, we were having lunch. He was talking about ketosis
43:41Speaker 1I could go in and out of ketosis very quickly because my body was so used to living in ketosis.
43:55Speaker 1I started in January 1, back on carnivore, that I would get back into it really quickly.
44:00Speaker 1And it takes about a week. You can feel it because you feel like shit. I mean, lot of salt, a lot of fat. Like I know how to combat that stuff,
44:14Speaker 2inside of your muscles. Right? The only way you're getting to ketose once you've actually burned all that out. In fact I get tired. Great point in, like, IGF-1LR
44:28Speaker 2This is probably a really good kick start to get into keto. Good idea. I've never thought of it like that, but that literally happened to Super logical. Yeah. That makes sense. Lot of sense.
44:53Speaker 2take it's Jake and IGF-one. Hell yeah. Absolutely. Hell, take Creatine and IGF-one. Everything that you take while on IGF-one
45:03Speaker 1And the negatives. So And the negatives. You're like eating like shit and you're not doing much and you're taking it, that's gonna enhance the bad things too, man. Yeah.
45:11Speaker 2True. So I don't know. I think that that's about it. Like, I work out, eat right. Duh.
45:21Speaker 2Right? All of these peptides and everything is gonna work work so much better. Right? I know people who take gear and you would never know they take gear because
45:28Speaker 1they don't do anything else. Right? Such a good point because like we talk about it a lot, but like there's probably new listeners and there's a lot of you thinking this too. Like you
45:36Speaker 1steroids are not magic. There's a lot of people that think if you just take testosterone,
45:41Speaker 1you are freaking shredded. It's so I love those comments because it's like, dude, you do not know what you are talking about. You have no clue what you're talking about. Like, you get if you take steroids and you're not, like, eating right, you get big and you get bloated because you gotta like eat right, man. You gotta eat right. Period.
45:58Speaker 1They are miracle drugs if you do everything else right. If you do things right, they work really well. Same thing with peptides though. Like if you're taking peptides,
46:10Speaker 1and you don't have your hormones in line and you're not eating right, they'll work a tiny, tiny bit. But like if you do all these things, right, hormones in line, eat them the disciplined diet,
46:20Speaker 1antique peptides. You're getting fricking ripped dude. Are. Yep. We've seen rad transformations.
46:25Speaker 1Did you see the person that we put onto a warrior, that gal, that chick was like, wow, she looked amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Shit works, dude. It's amazing. Dosed you this last time. We gotta get out here, but I dozed it. So minor, I would say that, 1st of all, also consistent
46:45Speaker 2than so more is not better. Right? It is all about starting consistent and doing it consistently. Now your body will build a tolerance, but like don't blow it out. Don't be like, oh, I'm a big person. I like to do lots of stuff. I'm just going start at the way higher dose. That's dumb and wrong and it won't be helpful. So about 20 micrograms
47:05Speaker 2is a good starting point. K? Here's your spectrum. 20, 80. 80 is for advanced users. I wouldn't go any more than that. 80 micrograms.
47:17Speaker 2and and do that, and then you get to slowly kind of boost build up, right, and maybe reach up. I still wouldn't even touch 80. I'd still I'd go over a 6 week period,
47:42Speaker 2daily. It's 20 to 30 hours in you, but still it's kind of nice to have to never be fully out of you. That's why you wanna do it daily.
48:23Speaker 1So we get this question all the time. We'll end on this. If there was a peptide that you could take to get you buff, what would you take? Now there's not gonna be the 1 that's gonna, we will always say, I think MK-677,
48:51Speaker 1right? Eat some some glucose. If you're, you know, it's not the best on a high fat diet like me. Yeah. Sugar, carbs,
48:58Speaker 2a lot of carbs and just get after it. You'll get you'll get some size. And you'll green lean, you'll grow lean muscle. So I think this is, like, your best to, like, a cutter. Whereas I do think that M4 for
49:09Speaker 2in itself is more of like a bulker because you're just gonna be eating and you may gain a little water water. But as far as a, just a perfect cutter that's gonna gain the most amount of lean muscle possible with peptides, that's this is it.
49:21Speaker 1Is it. Cool, man. That was fun. Question answered. We'll never have to fill that question again. Yeah. It's a great, that's a great peptide. It's not the most popular for some reason. I don't know why, but it's freaking great, especially because we that's 1 of the questions we get on every q and a. Yeah. Yeah. So I wanted to bulk.
49:59Speaker 2equals huge pumps. So before workout, huge pump. After the most muscle gain and then, or before a giant bad meal,
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