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1:05Speaker 2Will. Love it. Absolutely. William T. Haas, and we got our good friend. He's been on the show many times. I call him the Jedi, but he's president of the telehealth and 1 of the largest manufacturers
1:19Speaker 2He's a speaker for, the doctors network groups, and he's a keynote speaker at a lot of the peptide conferences that a lot of people go to. He knows his stuff.
1:36Speaker 2So we should have been recording the whole time. He's 1 of us. We could sit and talk about this stuff forever. We've gone out about
1:46Speaker 3we've got about gear. It's been a great conversation already, but welcome, dude. Man, my pleasure. Always love having you guys here. Yeah, man. Thank you. Thank you. It's great to be here. That's your introduction, but you tell us in your own words who you are. Who you are, what do you do? A little bit about myself. Okay. Yeah. So again, thank you so much for for having me here. Love the audience. You guys are fantastic. Every time I'm here, you guys have been nothing but but warm and welcoming. So number 1, in 1 sentence, what I always tell people I do, especially as a consultant, besides being president of telehealth ops,
2:15Speaker 3what I do is really peptide integration into clinics, med spas, telehealth, where I train them, I teach them education wise on peptides. I even go over sales and marketing compliance too. Huge. Yeah.
2:32Speaker 3what that basically means is if you are a clinic owner, a med spa, or just a doctor practicing and you go, how in the hell do I use peptides? And how do I do it safely?
2:42Speaker 3And how do I do it where I'm not gonna get myself in trouble? I'm the guy you call. Yep. You're gonna train them, their staff, protocols,
2:49Speaker 5all the above. It's needed. In addition to building telehealth verticals. Yep. You got it. And as a little adjunct note there, Paul has trained our entire staff. Yeah. That was an honor, man. Always good. Good times. He just the same way that he trained doctors.
3:04Speaker 2you're all knowledgeable. Very good outlet for us. You know, Will and I love this stuff, and we're all kind of dorks in regards to it. We love this stuff. We can talk about it forever, but he's a good phone call away for,
3:15Speaker 2I remember, I'm gonna start with this question because I've dropped a couple posts on this and I want them to hear it from you and not me about if you have 5 peptides and you're taking 5 and how I do it, and I've cleared just to confirm with you, you pull them out, I do 10 units in the bottle, 10 units in a bottle, 10 units in the bottle. So 5 peptides in 1 bottle, 1
3:38Speaker 2boom. Does it mess up the pH balance or mess up the peptide in any way? Are people still wanting to be pin cushions out there?
3:47Speaker 3This is absolutely the way to do it. Right. 100%. You don't need to take 5 different injections. Oh. No, man. It's called being intelligent. Yeah. Absolutely. Truth of the trade, man. I tell everyone to go, you don't need to feel like a pin cushion. No. You know, especially if you're doing your dosing timing frequency at the same time. Yeah. Absolutely. Mix them together. Blend them. Put them in the same syringe. Right. Well, like, as you go, you get better at things. Yep. Right? When didn't 1st learn how to text, you sucked at it. Now you're good at it. Right? Sure. Do it every day. So when you start doing peptides, which most that start
4:15Speaker 2continue on, whether it be BPC or a GLP-one that entered them into the world, then they start, then they
4:32Speaker 2doing research on myself. Sure. Is there a sweet spot or a certain amount of peptides that you would suggest in a cycle? Like
4:44Speaker 2know, I've done as many as 9. I think that at this point, you know, it's a little bit over too much for me. Sure. So
4:52Speaker 3I would say, well, curious what your thoughts are. It's always gonna come down to what's your what's your goal? What are trying to do? Right? So if you got a guy or a girl who goes, hey, and I'm I'm just gonna generalize about 90% of folks out there. Right? They go, I need to put on more lean muscle mass. I need to drop body fat. Right. I need more energy,
5:11Speaker 3maybe let's just say more libido. Right? So what do we just talk about there? We talked about 4 or 5 different peptides, right, like easily, that we can go through. Okay, hey, you wanna put on more lean muscle mass, we can go into, like, Tesamorelin, and then we know that Tesamorelin is also gonna help them with the drop in the body fat, the visceral adipose tissue. And then when it comes to energy, bring in something like a coenzyme like NAD plus. Sure. If they need some other stuff with MOTS-five, fire up that mitochondria on the metabolism. Sure. And then libido, PT-one 41, oxytocin. So it just really depends on what the goals are, man. But can you go
5:59Speaker 3So let's talk about growth hormone releasing peptides because we're gonna talk about that today, right? So you're not going to run
6:04Speaker 3some more than with Tesamorelin. They're going after the same same thing. Right? Now when it comes to and I know that we'll talk about this in a little bit, but when it comes to Ipamorelin,
6:16Speaker 3type of of growth hormone releasing peptide, we'll get into why you run that concurrently with a stronger growth hormone releasing peptide. So those are the times when you're gonna mix them up. Yeah. Yeah. And not mix them up also. Well, let's start there because there's so many people that I would say,
6:34Speaker 2drug for a lack of better way, which is going be BPC and TB. They start with an injury. Or they're trying to lose weight and they start with GLP-one.
6:47Speaker 2results very quickly. And these things are amazing. That's how I got into peptides. This dude right here, years ago, 7, 8 years ago, whatever it was,
6:59Speaker 2Woah. Amazing. That was awesome. You know what I mean? Because you lift heavy weights, man, you're getting tendonitis. But
7:08Speaker 2intrigued. There's always questions, but there's not a lot of knowledge out there. So when it comes to life, I would like to talk about today,
7:23Speaker 2kind of what, you kind of have Kerblance to kind of talk about some of this stuff because
7:28Speaker 2a lot of listeners are so curious. You just said why we should run 2 of the same, but which ones should we run? What are the dosages? What people should do those dosages? We could talk about it for days. Love it. So I'll let you have the mic for a bit and- Yeah, man. Let's do it. Okay. So when it comes to
7:46Speaker 3the growth hormone releasing category or just let's just say growth hormone category in general, okay, there's gonna be some growth hormone
7:54Speaker 3compounds that will replace what your body's actually making. There's some that are gonna stimulate
8:02Speaker 3And then when I say those 2 things, there's also gonna be some that work literally upstream and then downstream. Downstream,
8:11Speaker 3Some of the things that we'll start off with so let's actually talk about that growth hormone. Let's talk about growth hormone in general. Right? Am I allowed to say Somatropin? Yes. Okay. I was like, cool. I just wanna make sure I'm allowed to say We're a fan. Okay. You am I allowed to say that? Thank Okay.
8:35Speaker 3the way that I like to take HGH, right, and when we're talking about HGH and and I mentioned Somatropin because I think that that's probably what some of the audience will maybe know about. Sure. It's a 191 amino acid sequence, which is the entire amino acid chain, which peptides come from, right, that we're all producing within ourselves. But when you're taking HGH, for example, the way that I like to do that is 1 to 2 IUs a day. I like to do it in the morning for the lipolysis, meaning for the fat burning qualities of it. The
9:02Speaker 3reason why you wanna take something like HGH, right, is because what it's going to do is it's going to essentially raise your own IGF-one levels. Okay? And when you do that, incredible things happen. Tissue repair, better skin, better sleep,
9:17Speaker 3more muscle, less body fat, all kinds stuff. Healing. Healing for sure. But you have to take that into consideration that what you're doing is is that you're overriding
9:27Speaker 3your own natural growth hormone. Sure. Right? That's the difference. Now, when you talk about the secretagogues
9:40Speaker 3CJC, what those are actually signaling to the body is going, hey, mister pituitary gland, like in this in the case of Semorlin and Tesamorelin specifically, goes to the to the pituitary gland, knocks on that door and goes, Hey, really like what you're doing here. Make more of it. Yeah. Right? So that's the big difference between HGH and then using a peptide. Yeah. Okay. Now, when you're using something else like IGF-1LR-three,
10:05Speaker 3something that we wanna be more I'm I'm just gonna use a word like cautious, okay, a little bit because why? What that's actually signaling to the body is it's signaling to the body to,
10:15Speaker 3really for muscle growth. Sure. Right? And it's also a nutrient partitioning agent. Sure. Right? So what do I mean by that? So, on 1 of the last times that I was here, so sorry audience if you guys have heard me say this 1000000 times, I I am a fan of IGF-1LR-three.
10:37Speaker 3Right before you go to the gym. Right? So you say before the gym? Before the gym. I like it before the gym. I know that there's some other protocols right after the gym too. Reason why I like it before the gym is because if you are actually trying to, let's say Bulk up. Yeah. Bulk up or even you got a problem area. Right?
11:00Speaker 4I was like, why are guys looking at me? We're not attacking anyone. We have a friend who hasn't worn shorts in 5 years. Fuck.
11:06Speaker 3We will they will shall remain nameless. They will. Will remain nameless. So, again, a problem area. Right? And you go, okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna take my my IGF LR3 right before the gym, a good 30 15, 30 minutes before, and then the key is is that you wanna take your BCAAs, your EAs, a little bit of a carb mix, and sip on that while you're training. Okay. The pumps are amazing. Because what it's actually doing is it's gonna take those nutrients and literally put it right in those muscles that you're breaking down. Right. And then you go home and Interesting.
11:43Speaker 5workout, when we have just torn the muscles down, right? And they are now a sponge, just be like, Give me food
11:53Speaker 5not not do it to that time and then then obviously take some of your carbs, some of your fast acting carbs and protein right after and then that just shoots up rebuilding.
12:02Speaker 3Absolutely do that. Doing both. Absolutely that. Can absolutely The reason why and let's just let's just be really blunt here. Right? The reason why I like to take it right before the gym is because I can watch the pump in real time, and it's amazing. That's great. Vanity. Because remember, I was a bodybuilder in a previous life. Right? So that's really what it comes out to is you will morph into a different person in the gym when you do that. It's really cool. Right? Veeam bump. Just the pumps are immaculate. And then you go home and you eat your meal afterwards, you'll just fill out. It's it's incredible. And you still are. Yeah, folks. Like, you still are. Well, I actually do think like from the time that we 1st tear the muscle. Okay. So there is a little bit of a truth to this window, like the protein- The antibody window. You know I'm saying? And so most people think, Hey, an hour,
12:44Speaker 5oh, I gotta get my protein in an hour. Just think folks though that is that hour clock starts ticking from the 1st muscle you tear. Yep. That means the beginning of your workout. Yep. Yep. And
13:01Speaker 5Yep. Yeah. Drink your protein shake, and then it's about a 6 hour window too of you being still pretty anabolic.
13:07Speaker 5And then it goes down to very little during the daytime, just like fat does, because our body has a whole bunch of other stuff to deal with. Yep. And then nighttime through the roof. Absolutely. Well,
13:16Speaker 3that and that's a great point when you say at nighttime, right, because that's the time that we're always gonna say, hey, take your Tesamorelin,
13:21Speaker 3take your Semorlin at night. Yeah. Because it's gonna amplify that natural GH that's hitting you. Right? And then that's where you get a lot of the great benefits of the visceral fat being eaten away, you know, with things like Tesamorelin, which again got got its FDA approval for that specifically.
13:42Speaker 3let's call them ghrelin secretagogues and ghrelin guys, that is, is it's a hormone that's secreted by the stomach that tells you you're hungry. Right? So things like Ipamorelin to an extent. My favorite, as you guys already know, is MK-six 0 7, Ibutamorelin. Right? Then that's when you start to get into GHRP-two,
13:59Speaker 5Hexarelin is another 1. We really We talked about don't we we have not talked about them because we've done enough
14:05Speaker 3research, and I don't I don't know if you can give me an answer of why the hell I would ever take those Yep. When I have Sermorelin and Tesamorelin today or CGC. Absolutely right, man. 100%. So that's why you're That's why we don't talk about them too much. I just want the audience to be aware of them so we love what yeah. They are there. But because of the advancements in in science, there's there's better peptides out there for sure. But those are the ones that I would always say, hey, you know, if you're gonna use that to either gain some good muscle weight, right, muscle size.
14:31Speaker 3At the same time Hi, Jeff. 1? No. We're talking about the the the GHRP-one secretagogues.
14:51Speaker 3Do you suggest an IGF-twelve and an? So what I would suggest would just be Because remember, these ghrelin secretagogues,
14:58Speaker 3they're also gonna increase your IGF levels So you don't need to run it with, like, a Tesamorelin or Semorlin. You can have that by itself, but just know it's gonna make you hungrier too. True. And then at the same time, what I would do though is I would run IGF LR3 with it. You would. Absolutely. Absolutely.
15:13Speaker 3So that was 1 of the examples. And again, audience, sorry if I'm being redundant, but just as a refresher, that was the example that I gave that was a much safer peptide version of growth hormone and insulin. Tell us again. So that would be where you take, for example, for a male, 25 mg of MK-six 77 a night, run before you go to sleep at nighttime. Right? Because remember, it's gonna increase your ghrelin. It's gonna increase your your bone density. It's also gonna increase your IGF levels. Sure. And then, so now you're gonna wake up, you're gonna be hungrier.
15:52Speaker 3Sip on your carb drinks, sip on your BCAAs or EAAs, go home and eat a bigger meal now because you're hungrier from the MK to GF. It's not unusual to see folks that are doing it the right way,
16:03Speaker 2to eat right, work out right, get their nutrients in, and and bulk up within 12 weeks. For sure. Yeah. They'll put on 16 pounds. Dude, it's really amazing. You've seen guys training with good coaches. Like, I've seen some across the way that I've well, Brett. Yeah. For sure. Man, it's like, dude, some of what they can do is, like, with just diet. I mean, obviously, compounds and stuff too, but, like,
16:24Speaker 3it it ain't easy to get all ripped like that, like, that fast. No. It's not. There's there's a science to it. Absolutely. You know mean? But if you ask any guy who's not in shape and sees somebody who is and So steroids. It's like, jeez, I could do that if I just took all the time, dude. Steroids. All the time. You couldn't. Didn't know you couldn't have So, you know, everything that we're talking about right now is is kind of like more of what I would call, like, the upstream version, right, except for IGF LR3. IGF LR3 would what I want the audience to think about is that's downstream is what I mean by that. Right? Because what it's actually doing is it's signaling muscle growth.
17:07Speaker 3which is what's actually gonna do the work. Yeah. Right? So when you're taking IGF-1LR-three,
17:14Speaker 3you're you're skipping that. Right? So just, you know, word of caution. Just be be be cognizant of how you do it. Sure. You don't wanna go hypo with it. You know, make sure that's why I said sip on carbs. Yeah. Take your EAs or BCAAs because you will get a nasty pump from it. You're gonna feel great. You're gonna get more energy, and you're gonna watch the muscles grow. Do you think, like, using IGF-1L-3,
17:42Speaker 3Yeah. Because of the hypo part. So I wouldn't So at least if you're doing it at least if you're doing it, at least run some carbs either right after or during? During. That's what I was gonna say. Like, you can you can time your carbs. So if you wanna stay keto or as keto as possible Sure. You can You're working off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can time it. You can time it for sure, especially with a good carb drink. So quick question. Well, 1st of all, wanna correct. I know we talked about IGF-one.
18:04Speaker 5I we mentioned in the last episode, but I wanna correct myself. Was thinking no, not even Oh, okay. Just us. Like, I literally was thinking about this, and I think I misspoke everybody and was talking about since 20 micrograms was saying 200 micrograms. Oh, no. Yeah. So I just want everybody to know, like
18:32Speaker 3so I know we need to be careful, but, duration of essentially cycle of IGF-one. Yeah. What are thinking? Yeah. Thank you for keeping me on point, fellas, because I I love the fact that here I've got the opportunity to actually talk about protocols and stuff. So thank you. Yeah. So the thing is is that, again, with insulin sensitivity being an issue with growth hormone releasing peptides, right, that that I want everyone to think about, So especially when it comes to IGF-1LR-three,
18:54Speaker 3about a good 4 to 6 weeks, pulse that stuff, you know, like go on and off of it. Give your your body a little bit of a break. And then how long and off? Again,
19:02Speaker 3I would do for however long you're on, stay off. Yep. You know? Alright. That's why There
19:06Speaker 5is no way that we are gonna tell you hard, fast rules. Yeah. These are suggestions and everybody just needs to do a little form of that. Use your brain. Do what you need to do. Don't be stupid. By the way. Don't run it for 12 months. And frankly, these are just our well, they are our opinions. And Absence is we've tried to what
19:27Speaker 3But okay. No problem. I just wanted to mention this 1 last part and to to culminate the the GH that we're talking about, the growth hormone category.
19:39Speaker 3And we don't really use them that much anymore. Right? Because the reason why is AOD-ninety 6 0 4 is kind of taking that over out of all of these. But the fragments are are what is it? Have it in my notes. 1
20:00Speaker 3that also, guys, is 1 of the peptides that's out there that does have human studies. So when people tell you there's no human studies, that's 1 of the peptides that has human studies on it. And what that's going to do is it's mainly for just lipolysis, for the fat loss. That's it. Right? That's it. 1 job. And it doesn't affect insulin.
20:20Speaker 3but it doesn't affect your insulin levels. Right. That I believe is and then we'll go into sleep and all those later, but- But I still have more questions on- Yeah, yeah, AOD though is is kinda got its bad rap recently. There's lot of people that don't think that it does.
20:37Speaker 3I freaking love it. It's in my top 5. Well, okay, let's talk about dosing then because whenever someone goes, Hey man, that didn't work for me or whatever, I go, Okay, let's talk dosing time frequency.
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21:32Speaker 3You can. Right? But the thing is is, like, as long as you're getting in 300 micrograms,
21:37Speaker 3right, in the morning, fasted at least 30 to 45 minutes before food or caffeine. Sure. And you're doing if you're gonna be really all about it, do fasted cardio. Yeah. Do fasted cardio and then watch the fat drip off of you. Mhmm. Right? Again, guys, at least 300 mics, and I wouldn't really push that past 0.5 a milligram, 500 mics. Yeah. Really? I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far.
22:02Speaker 3with some of the studies and and things that I've seen out there, because the way that that peptides are filtered through the kidneys, right, if you take too much, all like, you're going up to a gram, 2 g of this stuff like that, it will start to fry the kidneys. Oh, so you gotta be careful. I've never heard that. Do it cause kidney stones? It can actually get a lot worse. Yeah.
22:20Speaker 5We a kidney stone in the family. Oh, no kidding. That oh, and JD's family. My wife is babe, you cannot have IGF-one hundred. Hopefully, she's not taking well, we're talking about COD.
22:35Speaker 5not IGF-one. I I just address the kiddies just real quick for the misses? She does get kidney stones a lot. SS 31. Yes. SS 30 one's great. Yep. She also had unfortunately, I don't know if this is okay, but, like, Thymosin Alpha takes Botox away.
22:48Speaker 5So literally the other day, I was like, why don't you just blast the hell out of Thymosin Alpha? Did. My god. Right? Yeah.
22:57Speaker 2not a great injection of Botox in the day. And it So her face didn't look go well, so then she kept going back to fix it, and I'm like, just stops.
23:04Speaker 3Man. Stop. Yes. Poor girl. Yeah. It's my wife. Like, it just didn't work 1 side of her face. I didn't Oh, no. My my my son's dear old party. Good news is that she works out. So when you work out, the stuff becomes bad. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think, so the IGF-one,
23:18Speaker 2if you, for somebody like myself that's like, doesn't matter what I do, my calves don't grow. People give me shit. Listen, I lift them
23:25Speaker 2twice a week like every other basketball suckers. I'm just joking. Sometimes it's just genetics. Is.
23:30Speaker 2Most of the time it's just Do you live, do kids? That's what I get. But anyways, do you is there any truth? Do you think that
23:37Speaker 2because what it does, do you think injecting the calves or wherever you have your weakest point you're trying to grow Yeah. After the lift that it does anything, or is that just kind of side injection? That that's anecdotal evidence. There's a lot of people that think that. Yeah. That that's anecdotal evidence because I've I've I've because remember,
23:53Speaker 3my my background was in bodybuilding, competing, all that stuff. So the thing is is, like, seeing that, and I and I would hear guys go, oh, man. I just put 2 IUs in this arm and 2 IUs in that arm of Somatropin,
24:06Speaker 3like, I swear my biceps got bigger. Yeah. I go, cool, man. Like, I just go, that's great. I'm happy that it worked for you. You know? But there's there's no actual sound sound evidence for it, man. The only thing that we really do have the the sound
24:21Speaker 3on it would be with, believe it or not, TB 500. I'm sure you guys do believe it. Right? This TB 500 where where when you get it as close to the injury side as possible, it does have anti inflammatory effects, but that's 1 of the only ones. And even that, if it's like in a hard place, I'll just tell folks, I go, hey man, just go systemic. It'll get there. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. After my surgery, you told me to do Sub Q. Absolutely. I wasn't gonna like turn around and give it back and make work. Yeah. Yeah. So, no doubt. Okay. So question. So if Ipamorelin is the stimulator of your ghrelin receptor and essentially like, tell me if I'm wrong, but our body, it's almost like a trigger, right? Like what that does is activate that ghrelin receptor, which happens to make you hungry, which is not really, that's not the ultimate plan when developing this
25:04Speaker 5peptide. I'm just not like, let's find something to make you hungry. It was, let's find something to stimulate your growth, your pituitary to tell your body to make growth hormone.
25:23Speaker 3I don't know if you have any questions. Yeah, I know. That's a great question. And the answer to that 1 is
25:27Speaker 3off the top of my head, why is it that when ghrelin is activated, it's telling your body to make more that that's a good question. I have to get back to you on that. There may not be a real question because God didn't use logic maybe when made our bodies. I have to find that out. That's a good that's a big question. That's why. It just does. Do you know you know why we use Ipamorelin more than anything when especially when we blend it with, like, Tesamorelin or you'll see it with CJC or you'll see it with some Sermorelin? Well, it does 2 things, 2 really cool things actually.
25:52Speaker 3Number 1, what it's gonna do is it's gonna it's essentially opening up the pathways for the stronger peptide, the, in this case, Tesamorelin, Sermorelin, CJC, to be absorbed,
26:05Speaker 3The 2nd thing that's really cool about it, what Epimorelin does, is that it acts as a governor. It stops the body from overproducing,
26:13Speaker 3you know, the IGF because we're sitting here signaling to the body. Make IGF. Make IGF. Make more growth hormone. Too much. And then you don't wanna have too much. And so let's talk about the sweet spot. Okay? Because I read lab work all the time, and this is something that I've advised against. I don't mean against. I mean, I've advised with of how you should
26:32Speaker 3The sweet spot, guys, is gonna be on the IGF-one marker on your blood work is you wanna keep it in between 2 50 to 3 50. Right? Reason why is because if you go outside that, you're gonna start getting really bad side effects, things like carpal tunnel, water retention,
26:47Speaker 3the insulin sensitivity issues that we just mentioned. But if you stay within that 2 50 to 3 50, and it doesn't matter if you're a guy that's will size or or a
26:58Speaker 3you wanna stay in that range. Why? Because 3 incredible things are gonna happen when you're in that range, 2 50 to 3 50. Number 1,
27:05Speaker 3you're gonna be able to drop the unwanted body fat a lot easier. Number 2, you're gonna yeah, huge. Right? Number 2, you're gonna be able to put on, lean muscle mass a whole heck of a lot more efficiently. Sweet. Number 3,
27:17Speaker 3for for guys in our age group, this is my favorite part, right, is that you're gonna go and have deeper REM sleep. The rapid eye movements Okay. Quicker. You stay there longer.
27:25Speaker 3Now what happens with that rest and recovery goes up? In addition to that, you're also gonna be able to think more clearly. Cognitive function goes up. So it's a lot of really good things by
27:35Speaker 3making sure that you're optimized on your growth hormone. Right? The only annoying thing is is that, man, you're gonna have to clip your fingernails a little bit more often, get haircuts more often. Yeah, man. Well, so with that said, so how how often would you say someone should get tested for that? Because how do you keep that there and know that? Because that's kind of a hard thing to do. I'm a very big proponent. You guys already know of blood work. I'm very big on that. Right? So I can tell you guys the way that we would
28:03Speaker 3The way that we would typically do this is that we would get a baseline blood work on a patient, right, and then let them go for 3 months. Okay? Test them again, see where they're at, and then if everything looked good, then we would just test once every 6 months. Okay. Okay? Me personally,
28:19Speaker 3I actually donate blood and get tested every 4 months. Do really? Yeah. Yeah. I like to do that just because I feel better. Yeah. I used to do that around every 90 days, give or take. Yeah, man. It's fantastic. Even every 90 if if you do it, like, 12 to 16 weeks, man, that's pretty good. You know? It's just a it's a healthy thing to do because Especially our age, man. Yeah.
28:37Speaker 3Man. Especially because all the all the other stuff that's out there about, like, cholesterol and is it bad? Is it good? So I tell everyone, go, look, man. If you're looking at cholesterol, we I think we spoke about this last time Yeah. But a little bit, so I'll just touch on it really quick and we'll move back to the GH. But the thing is is that we know that if you're eating more protein, as we're aging, if you're working out, whatever it is, you might have quote unquote, right, the bad cholesterol elevated on your LDL, But as long as your triglycerides,
29:04Speaker 3your HDL, these all look good. And then if you're still worried about it, like in Vegas where I live, I've 1 paid a $165
29:11Speaker 2just to go get a quick CT scan of my heart and saw I was clean as a whistle. Even though I'm on the high side of like 2 18 on total and 1 54 in my LDL. Well, that's why it's important to have your blood work ran by someone that knows what they're talking about. Because if you just look at a number and if you're just going off a number, here, put on a get on a statin. No, it's all these other things that are affected by each other. Yeah, man. And which ones are out of sync. It's not just the LDL. Absolutely. Right, man. But that's what a lot of doctors will look at. That's it. To your point, JD, and I love that you brought this up because this is something that I try to always drive home with people, right, is I go, look, there's suboptimal,
29:48Speaker 3in range, and I'm just gonna be point blank because I know our audience here. So in range just literally means, hey, you're alive and you can keep paying your insurance premiums. We don't care if you feel like shit. And you're average American. What do what do we know about American health? Yeah. We're like what do we know? You're in range. Not good. Oh, you have $3.50 on your total test as a as a 40 year old man? You're fine. Go home. You're good. Yeah. You're good. Get out of here. You don't even need free test, though, either. Exactly. Care. Like, so there's suboptimal,
30:11Speaker 3there's in range, but then there's optimal. Yep. Right? So the beauty of this whole world of wellness that that we're in and and blessed to be part of is how do we look at that and go, okay. How do I get this person optimized? Sure. What does that even mean to be optimized? And then what's the plan to get them there in the next 12 to 16 weeks typically is the the range that we wanna work in. Right? So that's where all that comes into play. That's cool. Well, it's so deep too because what you know, peptides are great,
30:40Speaker 2are great, but Will and I talk about it a lot because it's obviously the base of everything, which is
30:47Speaker 2sleep. Nobody talks about sleep. Like if you don't sleep, your cortisol's up and you can't lose fat. Yep. Like, nobody else talks about that. Like, these things are so to be optimized means
30:57Speaker 2it's gonna take some time to figure it out if you're not healthy. Yeah. And you have to have somebody that's knows what they're talking about because, like, you go to an MD, they don't know shit. Sorry. Unfortunately.
31:07Speaker 3Most of You know what? And and and I work with so many doctors. Right? And I and I speak for these doctor network groups and I get to hear
31:14Speaker 3what they're what they're being taught and and what it looks like. Right? The thing is is that a lot of times they're being taught, here's a protocol. Sure. Use this. Hey, patient A's got this issue. Here's a protocol for that. Patient B has that issue. Here's a protocol for that. Right? So I get it. They're not doing- 1 size fits all. Exactly. They're not doing a great job in medical school to actually go, hey, this is what's out there. Because when we look at the issues that a human being has, it becomes signaling issues.
31:42Speaker 3is this gonna hit, and then how can we actually fix that? Right. Right? So that's what it comes down to. Like, skating to the puck instead of, like you know what I mean? Like Exactly. Scene was tough. So my my original question, like, a while ago, but I forgot it while I was asking. Sorry. Why?
31:56Speaker 5is Ipamorelin also activates stimulates your your ghrelin? How come Ipamorelin doesn't is not notorious for increasing hunger?
32:03Speaker 3Because it's not too strong. It's just not it's a weak peptide. It's very, very weak. Because on its I saw his piggyback myself. That's exactly why. You know, they use it as as a
32:11Speaker 3as like a supplement too. Right? So so let's talk about this in order just real quick. When it comes to so we spoke about HGH, which is essentially gonna override your own natural growth hormone. Right? That's what you're doing with that 1, with the 191 amino acid sequence. When it comes to the growth hormone releasing peptides and strength, let's talk about that. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Tesamorelin
32:32Speaker 3is gonna be the king of all peptides. Wow. I knew I know that you we know you like this around, but I would advise you would have said CJC. I didn't know it'd be the strongest.
32:44Speaker 3the thing about it is, and the reason why I like it so much is that, yes, it can be on the more aggressive side of the growth hormone releasing peptides. Right? Meaning what? So meaning that if you want to
32:54Speaker 3be a starter in the growth hormone releasing peptide space, Sermorelin is typically where people go to. Sure. Right? Also because it's got that FDA approval, doctors can write a script to it. Right? But and it's not as aggressive or strong as as Tesamorelin is. But I always tell someone, go, if you're gonna look at at Sermorelin, why don't you look at Tesamorelin? Because you're gonna get the the IGF benefits. But then also with Tesamorelin, it actually got FDA approval. Yeah. FDA approval to get into the visceral adipose tissue of the abdomen, your your belly fat, and remove the triglycerides and the LDLs from your fat cells, making you leaner while it's bringing up your IGF levels. So now you're gonna get leaner, targeted leaner,
33:32Speaker 3and you're gonna be able to get more lean muscle mass in addition to better sleep and rest and recovery. So Tesamorelin,
33:41Speaker 3then I'd go to CJC. Wow. 12 95. That's more than before CJC. Yeah, because you know why? The way that it works. So Tesamorelin
33:49Speaker 3they actually go to the pituitary gland. Okay? CJC works at the level of blood plasma.
33:55Speaker 3It that's where it's raising your IGF levels at. So you get a quicker hit with it. Okay?
34:00Speaker 3And then it depends on if you get it with DAC or no DAC. Right? So we know that with DAC, it's gonna extend it. You can take it maybe once or twice a Yeah. With no DAC, you're gonna take that the same as the other ones, 5 days on, 2 days off. And the point there is to
34:13Speaker 5you always wanna try to mimic what our body does naturally. Correct. Right? And so the point with no DAC is it shortens it because our body pulses growth Yes. Several times, 6 times a day or so. So
34:24Speaker 3you wanna try to mimic that. Yep, exactly. Nailed it, man. There's no DACs, so it's faster. Yeah. And MKY MK is so effing strong. Yeah. Because it's just a flood gates, just opened them. Yeah. There's no pulse. There's just Here you go. Make make make Hammer the system. Yeah. Hammer the system. Now but you know what though? To to your point, and thank you for saying that, Will, the thing is is that what I like about MK so much, right, is that it's versatile. And what do I mean by that? And I'm gonna say something that a lot of folks maybe didn't ever think about, but my Oh, God. I almost said my mom's age. I'm just gonna say my mom is
35:01Speaker 3and what do we know about ladies as their aging is that their bone density is Yeah, an sure. Right? So what's 1 of the things that MK-677AKA
35:12Speaker 3So you give my little mom who's like barely maybe 90 pounds, you know, 5 foot nothing, and she's she's like, hey, I would really like to be able to do something about my bone strength, this, that. But, you know, if she increases dairy, it messes up her cholesterol, all these other things. So I go, Hey mom, 10 mg of MK-seven. Dude, I'm gonna give my mom MK-six hundred. Honestly, it's so crazy. I haven't thought about that. Like, my mom's problem is, well, she's like lean and buff and she's like 85. Yeah, God bless her. And still,
35:39Speaker 5so the folks, she'll like call me in the middle of winter. She's like, yep, I'm in the RV with the dog on the mountain pass in Colorado. What the hell are you doing? Why are you doing this bike set? She's like, I'm on a 2 week long camping trip with just me and the dog And my RV. I love that type of club. That's amazing. That's why she's still still young. She's still young. Yeah. But her problem is she doesn't eat eat enough food. She's just coffee?
36:02Speaker 5and goat. Yeah. And has a little some nuts that eat food. And she's had some major stomach issues, basically like frozen gut. She doesn't eat enough food. MK- Literally, I had to fly home because she was like, I don't know, the doctor said something was wrong with her. Yeah. Her stomach, my sister didn't even We took her out with the doctors like, I don't really know something, but her stomach was excruciating pain. We literally went to the Yeah. Weed
36:25Speaker 3weed, was hungry, ate, fixed. Yeah, absolutely. Crazy. If you give your mom 10 mg a night, right, of MK-six 77, watch everything change for her. Bone density goes up, IGF levels are up, she's gonna be even
36:39Speaker 5buffer too, right, and she's gonna be eating. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, right on. Thank you. I did wanna touch on
36:50Speaker 5the blends, Tesa, Ipamorelin, you see Ipamorelin. I have said that I do think that women should have maybe a more of like almost like a 1
37:17Speaker 3Okay. Tessa IpA or CGC IpA. So you see, like, the the 5 and 5, for example. Yeah. The 1 that makes 5 and 5. So let's talk about it. So so essentially the and and let's go back to the doses of of the typical doses of of tesamorelin,
37:32Speaker 3and CJC. Let's go through that real quick. So the typical dose of Tesamorelin is gonna be 0.5 a milligram 5 nights, 5 to 6 nights a week. Right? Okay. And the
37:42Speaker 3medical low. Which is still pretty low because we know that the medical dose for for folks that are fighting off
37:49Speaker 3the the issues that with the crystallization of the belly fat from from HIV patients, right, they were going up to 2 mg. Right? But for healthy people, 0.5 a milligram is typically enough. I'll tell you guys just 1 quick story anecdotally. I went up to 1 mg 1 time, and I became a water bottle. I don't recommend it. Really? Yeah, dude. I don't I don't recommend it. I was like, what is happening right now? So 0.5 a milligram is more than enough. Right?
38:11Speaker 3Typically, with Sermorelin, if you are in the neighborhood of 2 to 300 mics, right, same same timing, right, that's gonna be great for you. You know, I would never go up over 0.5 a milligram, but 0.5 mg pushing a little bit with Sermorelin.
38:25Speaker 3usually 300 mics is where you wanna be. That's like the sweet spot that people really like. And then with Ipamorelin,
38:30Speaker 3usually that same 2 to 300 mics is is where you wanna be as well. And when you mix those together to your point, well, when you have the blends and the reason why you see the blends at like 10 or 5 and 3 or 10 and 2 or 10 and 5 or even 5 and 5 sometimes. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's a big 1 where I see 5 and 5 with CJC. Sure. CJC-ppamorelin.
38:53Speaker 3And what I would tell people right there is I go, hey, man, get 300 mics of CJC in, get 300 mics of of Ipamorelin. That's a fantastic combination. That's why they mix it at that level because you're gonna get a really great result out of that for the athlete. Right? When it comes to Tesamorelin
39:09Speaker 3it's typically like that 10 and 2 or sometimes even 10 and 5, 10 and 3 is what I've seen. And you wanna make sure that what you're doing is you're you're getting your 0.5 a milligram of Tessa. Mhmm. And then you're, by default, gonna get enough of the Ipamorelin anyways, that 203 hundred. The reason why is because, again, you don't need to go that high on on Ipamorelin by any means. You know, you'd keep that 300 mic range, you're golden. Because I would you know, women women Yep. Tend to a little bit of this stuff affects them. Yeah. Okay? And water retention is the biggest biggest problem, right, that that we see.
39:52Speaker 5is too much. It would be. And so that is my argument for it, I think, for Yeah. Everybody's
39:58Speaker 3everybody's different. To your point, and you're bringing up women 2 different peptides. Oh. You're bringing up women. And and to your point, you're absolutely right. The thing is is that typically,
40:08Speaker 3women are smaller human beings. Sure. So any smaller human being, right, is gonna feel something typically more. So, like, maybe you can take a bigger dose than I can. Yeah. Right? So seriously,
40:19Speaker 3so that's gonna be the biggest difference. And that's what I would also see, not to get us off topic, but what I would see, especially when I was patient care director for telehealth,
40:34Speaker 3all that stuff, it was typically women. And then who else? Smaller guys. Yeah. Right? Just smaller human beings. Why? Because there's not enough of them for the peptide to go through. And that's why also I'm always
40:53Speaker 3it, they can get nausea, they can get the niacin flush. They go, Oh my gosh, what's happening? It's not an actual niacin flush. I'm just using that as an example. If you've ever had a niacin flush, it can feel like that. So I always tell everyone, if it's your 1st time with any peptide growth hormone relief, whatever it is, sit down. Sit down, please, just to be safe and then and then administer it because God forbid, we don't want you to fall out. Right? Because that can happen. Sure. And out of, man, out of 250000
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42:17Speaker 3the activity of that is. Right? So out of 250000 people 2 times that I that I know. So how about sleep? We have heard, you know, JD and I touch a lot of peep
42:30Speaker 2and people have been telling us, Hey, I started taking the Tesa and I couldn't sleep. Oh, and they couldn't sleep? Couldn't sleep. Yep. Which is how it reasons it does say that because that happened to me and then I never really picked up on that that 1 could be it. Yeah. It was multiple things for me, so I can't really peg it as, but it
42:48Speaker 5was happening. What do you think? Seems to be if you just kind of push through, keep going through it, your body will
42:56Speaker 3you know why that occurs? So sometimes so again, when you start to raise your IGF levels, right, your growth hormone, your body's going, hey, this is something new for me, right, that I don't know or this is interesting for me. This is something out of out of the ordinary. Right? I take that back when I say I don't know, guys. Because when I say that, that's actually wrong. With peptides,
43:16Speaker 3your body does know these signaling molecules. It goes, this is more of what I'm already creating, so I'm gonna use this. Sure. So what I'm saying when it comes to the IGF levels being raised and then you go, hey, man, I couldn't sleep or it kind of threw my sleep off, that's your body starting to get regulated. Sure. Okay, it's trying to regulate itself, so it's going like, hey, this is kind of weird for me. Because 1 of the things that can happen when we raise our GH levels, right, is water retention like crazy, carpal tunnel like effects as well. Sleep can be thrown off also. So those are the things to look out for. But what does that also mean? Just as It's working. Exactly.
43:49Speaker 3Yeah. Ding. Ding. Ding. That's how it works. I go, you know, it's working for you. Yeah. We know. Ways to mitigate that, okay, or or ways that you can get through it like you were saying, and you don't wanna have to suffer and take it at night, flip it. Take it in the morning. For sure. Sure. You know, take it in the morning until a little bit of time goes on, then you go, wait a 2nd. I'm starting to sleep like I'm dead, so this is working. Maybe let me switch it back to the nighttime. So same thing. And again, the reason why we say that, and I know I said a little bit earlier, but you wanna take these at night because it's gonna amplify your own natural GH pulsing. Yeah. So you wanna amplify that wave that's hitting you. Okay. So you have, you have guys that are fairly fit. Okay, let's say a guy that's on the journey, he's done some GLP-three, he's looking good, he's working out, he's doing pretty good for himself now. And
44:34Speaker 2what's too much? You have, let's say, because we're big advocates of HGH. We love it. I love HGH personally.
45:00Speaker 2kind of changed over time just studying and learning and whatnot where we were saying HGH in the morning and then a secret a gog at night. But now I can't, I won't speak for will, but we've
45:11Speaker 2kind of leaned towards, we don't think that the secret a gog is doing as much as we once thought. Yep. You're your thought. You're absolutely right. Because I pulled out a security guard because of that. You're you're absolutely right, man. Because if you're gonna do HGH, stick with HGH. Yeah.
45:23Speaker 3You're good. Yeah. You're good. And the thing is is that the reason why I brought up specifically where I said 1 to 2 IUs is because that is actually for wellness. Right? You're not abusing it. You're just doing it for longevity.
45:33Speaker 3You're feeling good. You're looking good. You're gaining lean muscle tissue. You're dropping body fat. All that's good. 1 of the things that you guys had asked me,
45:41Speaker 3before I came on the show was you said, hey, what is the closest way that we can get to an anabolic stack? Right? So since we're talking about HGH, I just wanna bring that up. Right? Let's do it. So the closest thing that we can do and and it's the closest peptide stack that I could come up with that's gonna be anabolic like. Put your pin, people.
45:58Speaker 3without but still not steroids. Right? But still not the anabolic steroids. We still fall short. Yeah. Still fall short, but but it pretty you'll feel great. Right? So that is what the HGH at that, like, 1 or 2 IUs. Right? Sure. I personally prefer it in the morning. Me too. And then you could do IGF LR3. You could do it post workout as I mentioned, as as Will mentioned, I'm sorry, or even beforehand with your carbs
46:28Speaker 3That's gonna make you feel great. Okay? As close to anabolic as we can get. Hey, so why is HGH illegal?
46:35Speaker 5So, like, seriously It's not illegal. I'm just okay. So it's not illegal. It's not illegal. It's not like a narcotic heroin. Right. Right. Right. But, like, why is it, prescription
46:46Speaker 3Period, like, it's a pregog. So, Brando, it's a Credigon. It's a great question. 2 I use and, like, how real is the is the adverse effect The adverse effect. On it? Like, because I I don't know. These are fair questions. So it's it's you know what that's like? The the way that that I can kind of put a similarity to it is is it's like saying why is testosterone only that way? Yeah, but I think I feel like Yep. Testosterone,
47:13Speaker 5low dose HGH. Like, is the shutdown risk? Like, for testosterone cool, I know, yeah, it's shutting your testes down pretty pretty decently fast, but, like, HGH, even 1 to 2 IUs is not really shutting the HGH. It's not really decreasing your insulin sensitivity. Yeah. Do mind like, is there a real danger? I mean, I get what you're saying a 100%. So I would say that the real danger comes into play if people go
47:37Speaker 3to ask that. Right? Of course. So the thing is, is like, what can really happen for that? Okay.
47:48Speaker 3Which in turn, and then it could be that. And then what's the other thing that can happen that I'm leaving out?
47:53Speaker 3Carpal tunnel syndromes. Right? So I'm gonna give you guys an example. This bodybuilder, the shell remained nameless. He was in classic physique.
48:12Speaker 3Blows up ankles, everything's swollen. He has to literally walk on a treadmill for 4 hours just to get that water retention to come down. Right? So I agree with you because it's also saying like, okay, with testosterone-
48:23Speaker 4That's from HGH? That's from HGH. Yep. Because because of water retention. What's a lot? What's megadosing? Yeah. I mean, I was How many hours do it? Like 6 to 8. 0, okay. 6 to 8. You're gonna tell me 20 or something. No. No. Because he was getting the real stuff, but, like, the the Chinese
48:37Speaker 3gray tops, this, that, whatever. That that stuff could be 10 to 20, and I've heard that all day. Right? But he his was like, I go and he's just like, dude, I can't move my hands. Like, it it can happen. Right? But I agree with you. It's the same thing as testosterone. It's like, if you run at a low dose, it's actually medication that's gonna help you. Hell yeah. Same thing like GH. Very low, like, thousand. Risk if you do it just properly. Forever. And you could do it forever. Dude. Hundred 5250
48:59Speaker 3mg. You stay within that range. Yeah. And then even if you look at the lab work and you stay optimized on your so let's talk about that real quick. Total testosterone should be between 812 hundred for males. Nice. Okay. Let's go through females as well. Let's not leave out the ladies. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Ladies, total testosterone should be between 35 and 1 50 depending on her goals. Mhmm. Free testosterone for a male should be between 2.5 I'm sorry, for males, I'll take that by 20 to 35.
49:25Speaker 3For females should be between 2.5 to 4.5. Now, guys, what I also wanna mention for everyone here, as we're talking about blood work and things like that, what's the other 2 things that we need to look at on the lab work that that coincide with testosterone?
49:39Speaker 3That's gonna be yeah, absolutely. A 100%. But also when it comes to and and you're absolutely right about, we wanna keep that within range, right, For guys typically like below 40 and then for women depending on where they're at in their cycle, that's a whole other thing with luteal follicular, all that. But then when it comes to
50:00Speaker 3and then you have to look and for a male, that needs to be between 3 50 to 4 50. For a female, it needs to be between
50:06Speaker 31 50 to 3 50 on the high side. And then we have to look at the SHBG, the sex hormone binding globulin. Right? Absolutely. Guys should be right around 35. Women should be right around 70. Right? So that's in total of of testosterone in and of itself. And I feel like that's something that we don't talk enough about. We just talk about total and sometimes free, but we we we neglect them free. Yeah, man. We we neglect DHA, and that's a $25 fix off of Amazon that you can just get and fix your free test like Right.
50:39Speaker 3So, okay, when it comes to SHBG, let's say that so I'm gonna actually give you guys a case study just real quick. Yeah. Got a guy years ago, His total test was at 1000. So I'm like, beautiful. You look great. Fantastic. Was dead. His free was at 11. Yeah. And then you go, so then what do I look at? Can't use anything. Well, then I gotta go and look at, right, your DHEA. Sure. And then I gotta go and look at your SHBG.
51:01Speaker 3Well, what happened? DHA is super low, SHBG is super high. Because what's going on and why we use DHEA in the optimization world, right, is we're using it because it's gonna go into the bloodstream and it's gonna help to free up that bound testosterone so that what? So that SHBG
51:19Speaker 3what it's doing. So, basically, that's why you gotta look at all those things and go, okay, well, why is your libido tanked? Oh, because your DHA is low, your free test is low, your SHBG has been backed up, and now you're at like 6 years, something crazy. Yeah. Yeah. How do you deal 25 typically, 25 mg pill of of pregnenolone
51:38Speaker 3Yeah. Take that once a the only downside to that is that if you are a guy like me that could be prone to male pattern baldness, it's gonna raise that DHT level, so just be careful with it. Right? Because I started to notice when I was supplementing with DHT, go, man, that's a lot more hair in the drain than I'm used to after that shower. So just things to be cognizant of. Right? But it will literally fix that issue very, very quickly. Within
52:02Speaker 3literally 8 to 12 weeks, you'll see those lab markers switch up. I know we're talking about GH. I get I get all this stuff. Everybody
52:09Speaker 3loves this stuff. It's interesting. I would have thought the free test, you would have thought a little bit higher. But, man, you see some people Oh, 20 to 35? Think about higher. Say 45 is where my sweet spot is. So you know why? It's because what what we did in the, what I'll what I'll call the telehealth community, right, is that we would look at it and go, okay.
52:25Speaker 3Where is it usually for this person to be at for blood for their blood pressure, for hypertension, right, to not be a factor? Right? Because what happens when you have too much free test? Mhmm. It your blood gets slow and sluggish and it's gonna lead to nasty things, hypertension,
52:39Speaker 3all kinds of other bad stuff that you don't wanna happen to your kidneys, especially too. So that's why we look at it we go, okay, let's keep it in this sweet spot. Yeah. That's why. Yeah. But everyone is different again. And kind of like how you feel. Exactly. Strive's good. Yep. Your clarity, you know, mental fog is not there. Yep.
53:02Speaker 3that's the big difference. The way that I explained total and free is I go, look, think about
53:07Speaker 3free testosterone as it's cash in hand. Yeah. Right? It's cash in your pocket. You're gonna go to the store. You're gonna buy stuff with it. You're it's readily available. You're using it. What are using? Think about your total test as cash in the bank. That's your equity.
53:18Speaker 4It's just sitting there. It's bound up. Yeah. That's it, man. The bank will let it out. Yeah. Absolutely.
53:25Speaker 5Talk to, tell, what are your thoughts on, well, it's super late, rumors, not even rumors, but everybody's Yep, all over the
53:57Speaker 2That's little gig. Well, that was him, dude. Said- That's times 100. That's 1000 micrograms times 100. That's a ass difference, dude. What did Jay say about it? He he likes the big- I think he was saying he was running more than a 100. I think he was No, he was doing something like 202 hundred-three 100. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah,
54:17Speaker 5I didn't feel it. Frankly, oh shit, I mean, they have like Pedro's in there with the wife meter on. Yep. Sorry. Were you allowed to say that? The wife lover tank. The wife lover tank. Yeah. There you go. Are definitely hot. It's increasing your- For sure. It's increasing body temp
54:38Speaker 5Too much? I was in there was like, all these days that I'm cold, I know what to just take. So
54:43Speaker 3you know what? I love it. I I do like SLU-3P a lot, right, as we as we call it. And right before the show, I sent you guys, like, I think 2 or 3 different
54:56Speaker 3So people know, like, what we're referencing when when I say the studies are there. So the studies that 1 of the studies that was, like, the core group of it was where they took mice and they actually gave the mice 100 mg, which you guys are talking about. That's right. Right? So what we saw with that was that there's a shift toward oxidative muscle fibers. Okay? Then we started to see increased endurance, again, all in mice. Okay? So the things that you'll see is the energy expenditure,
55:28Speaker 3which everybody wants. Right? So it's an exercise mimetic, which basically is so the body is gonna be in an anaerobic
55:35Speaker 3state or an aerobic state. Right? So what it's doing is putting your body into an aerobic state. So your body thinks it's constantly working out when you're just sitting there. So that's the cool part about it. The studies keep creeping up a lot. So just as you guys said, I started with 250 mics and I go, okay. I don't know. I don't get the hype. Yeah. Now I'm at a milligram, right, last night I was on it, and it seems to be doing its thing. But the thing is is that, what else was I doing with it? 5 amino 1 m q. Sure. Right? So I'm like, maybe, you know, endurance, I don't know, but 5 amino 1 m q is also bringing up my NAD plus naturally. It's like,
56:10Speaker 3I'm very curious and gonna take it myself to see what the 100, 200 mg does. And if Jay was talking about it too, I'm I'm definitely curious about it. He's gonna hope for it. Yeah. I'm I'm all about it because the the thing is is that when we when we see what it's able to do to oxidative stress, to the fatty oxidation,
56:25Speaker 3to all of these wonderful things for endurance and how we can use it, it's gonna be phenomenal. And then studies keep going up. I've been even hearing about a 200 mg pill coming out, you know? Like, where does it end? Where does it end? Fast. Yep. That's a big What do you think the difference in milligram for the injectable SLU-4M
56:45Speaker 3is? Do you think there is a difference? Love that question because the studies that they did was actually 100 mg injectable. Oh, okay. Yep. It was 100 mg injectable. Things that I do just wanna say because I'm I'm I gotta be the wet blanket again. Sorry, guys. Things to look out for when you're when you're running because we also we don't know what those higher doses are are gonna do. So just pay attention to your insulin levels, your glucose, pay attention to the lipid panel, your liver enzymes.
57:10Speaker 3Just do the blood work, guys. That's it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Myself included, audience included. That's why I just Yeah, bring it man. Everybody.
57:16Speaker 2Yeah. I, I got a question for you, kind of a different direction here. We talked before on camera a little bit about cancer and stuff like that. You've
57:25Speaker 2studied it and stuff. Okay. What is your opinion on like fasting through cancer? Because I've studied it quite a bit in regards to, because cancer is such a big thing.
57:34Speaker 3And I've just read a lot about people beating cancer through fasting, like a 25 day fast. When I say that to some people, they're like, what? But you're starving the glucose. Do you know anything about None of that's 100% accurate. Because what's the 1st thing that the doctors are gonna do if you've ever had So for example, if you ever had a heart attack or you get diagnosed with cancer, the 1st thing they're gonna do is they're gonna cut your carbs. Sure. They're gonna cut out red meat. Yeah. They're gonna go, hey, don't do any of that. This is all you need to do for now. Right? So they almost especially for,
58:01Speaker 3the guys that have had heart attacks because of their their bad cholesterol was too high. They weren't taking care of themselves. Right? Everything else was out of whack like their trigs and HCL. They're gonna go, hey, no more red meat. Just basically go to a vegan diet. Right? Same type of thing is what's gonna happen when it comes to, the big c word. Right? The reason why is because just as you said, it feeds off of sugar, off of glucose. So you take that away, where's its energy source? What's it gonna do? Dies out. Yeah, it does die out. Exactly. And that's you gotta look at now. Which to God, there was more like that was out there a lot more because it's just I believe if you just some if we just sometimes simple simplify stuff and just slow down and think through shit,
58:44Speaker 2just fasting, now you could do a 25 day fast if your life depended on Absolutely. And if you could literally starve that of the glucose, you literally could literally get rid of the cancer. Absolutely.
58:54Speaker 3Nobody talks about it. So, you know, to your point, because you just said something that I really like that you said God knows what he's doing. Why is it that all major faiths have us fasting from time to time? There's a reason. There's always been around. Right? Exactly. So it's not just for if you want to go, hey. I'm gonna I'm gonna fast this today. I'm gonna fast my breakfast. Give that to God. Right? So there there's there's reasons for that. And these are some of the reasons that you're speaking about. Yeah, man. The thing is is thank you for the yeah. 100%. The thing that I was gonna also mention is that
59:24Speaker 3what we were talking about actually in the truck. Right? We were talking about angiogenesis.
59:31Speaker 3And how that works specifically, and again, I sorry. I'm getting us off topic of GH. I'm talking about BPC. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so 1 of the things that kept coming up at at the last conference that I spoke at, right, which was filled with plastic surgeons and orthopedics.
59:57Speaker 3and and BPC. Okay? And the studies that are out there, and those are the studies that I just sent you guys before, so feel free to share that, please. So in the studies that are out there in rat models, what they did in the studies was they gave the rat a tumor, and then they gave the rat the same rat with the tumor, they gave it a wound, and then they injected BPC.
1:00:21Speaker 5as opposed to the- I have read sorry. Please. Ahead. I read this I read this study a couple weeks back. Okay. And it was like the new development of like, why?
1:00:31Speaker 5They're actually realizing that BPC is pushing, yeah, it's cool. Because angiogenesis,
1:00:40Speaker 5needs food and needs blood and wants all that stuff, and that's what helps grow things, right? Well, BPC is signaling-
1:00:53Speaker 3where's this new improved version of Will been all my life? I love this. This is fantastic. The baby faced Will came from. Baby faced Will. Absolutely, man. He's getting younger. He's just I love this, bro. Thank you. Because the thing is is that you're absolutely right. We actually watched that study and you go, wait a 2nd. So the other thing that I was mentioned to to JD in in the truck was I go I go, you know what? The thing is is what the doctors are afraid of is that they're afraid of, and rightfully so, God bless them,
1:01:21Speaker 3which creates the cancer. Right? It's uncontrollable. We don't know what's going on. And I go, guys, when you look at the models and you go, hey. Every single time, the angiogenesis is occurring in wound healing. And then you also have to think, you go, how often do we do BPC because of the shortest 0.5 life? We're doing it every single day. So it's not like it's gonna be a long lasting angiogenesis. It goes in and out, in and out, in and out. So that's why I'm never going to be able to say without, obviously, all of the human studies out there and da da da. I'm not gonna be able to go, hey, beyond a shadow of a doubt, we don't have to worry about it. We can't say that. But I would say that it's leaning towards us being able to see and the studies are showing us that it's not going to be as big of a risk as we once thought before.
1:02:07Speaker 2Well, it's kind of like, what's the risk to the reward? You know, like, we could talk about what ifs forever. Like, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if.
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1:03:14Speaker 2It heals you. Right. Let's talk about some of positives too. Especially as we get older. Yeah. Yeah. I mean Like, what the hell is of those guys have probably done any BPC. Absolutely. You have a torn you have any tendonitis? Doc, let's try this. Come back to me tomorrow. You know what mean? I wanted to give you guys also and the audience a couple of other
1:03:34Speaker 3that they could do, right, that they can do with GH peptides. Okay? So so I already went through 1 of the 1st ones, which was the lean muscle recovery with HGH
1:03:45Speaker 32 IU, then we do IGF LR3 between 20 to 40 mics. And when I say mics, guys, that just means micrograms, MCG. Okay?
1:03:52Speaker 3And then the Wolverine. Okay? So then the next 1 that I wanted to bring up that that I also really like that that Will was talking about before was Tesamorelin,
1:04:01Speaker 3Ipamorelin with also you could bring in IGF-four 3 with that 1 too. Yep. Okay? That one's gonna be the GH optimization protocol.
1:04:27Speaker 3Okay? And my goodness, what can we bring SLUIP in at? 1 mg to 100 mg now? Like, hey, dealer's choice on that 1. Right? Dealer's choice. Bring that in, and then you could bring in
1:04:40Speaker 34 with it. Ba ba boom. You know, I really like that 1 because that's a HDD fragment that we're talking about to keep us on the GH for today.
1:04:55Speaker 3not a peptide, but but a coenzyme NAD plus. Okay. Bring that in, okay, for the energy levels. And then for the mitochondrial health, I'd bring in MOTS-1.0331.
1:05:12Speaker 3then go to MOTS-3.0 Yeah. That's the biggest thing that's a big thing out there right now. And
1:05:16Speaker 3you can, especially if you're doing it for mitochondrial health in that order. Right? The thing is, is that how Okay, so let's talk about how MOTS-1.5 works versus SS-31. Okay. SS-31has
1:05:28Speaker 3been FDA approved for Barth syndrome, which is a very specific heart issue, right, for we were using it for patients with congestive heart failure more than anything. Right? So that's what it got FDA approval for under and I'm gonna butcher it, guys. Fact check me. It's under the name of olamprotide.
1:05:45Speaker 3I don't have it in front of me. Could read it, but it's not in front. But you guys can see it, and that's what it got FDA approval for. Now,
1:05:59Speaker 3Heart, your wife's kidneys that we're talking about. That's why as soon as I hear the word kidney, I go, hey, let's do SS 31. Right? So then when you when you repair that mitochondria,
1:06:08Speaker 3right, and you wanna bring in MOTSI, well, why do we even wanna bring in MOTSI? Well, what MOTSI is gonna do is it's going to and and it's very, very effective for the for the competitors
1:06:17Speaker 3that I though I I don't know if it was on camera or off camera, but we're talking about it, and I said, you know those competitors that have fried their metabolism because they ate, like, 500 calories a day and did 2 hours of cardio? Right? So MOTS-1C is working wonders for them. Why? Because it will go into the actual DNA of the mitochondria
1:06:38Speaker 3It basically goes in, and it will repair any damage. So so what does that do in metabolic damage? If people got metabolic damage, do you bring that in? So the studies are there. You are correct, JD, to your point. SS-31DEN
1:06:51Speaker 3And that's that's 1 that I do for the performance and endurance, right, protocol. So that was SLU-1.0p
1:06:55Speaker 3at, my goodness, 1 to 100 mg a day. And then MOTS-three typically, if and I'm gonna be very specific about this because when I was at the largest telehealth clinic in the country, the way that we would do that, and I'm gonna be very, very specific on this, guys, we did a loading and a maintenance phase for those guys and girls that had metabolic damage. So what does that mean? So follow me on this.
1:07:25Speaker 3times a week. So that is a full vial of MOTS-three. And then people go, Well, do I still need to mix it with 2 ml? No, guys, you don't. You can do 1. Go for it because you're gonna take the whole thing. So you're gonna do you're essentially doing 30 mg
1:07:38Speaker 3every single week for 4 weeks. Then after that, you would go to 10 mg a week, and you could do the 10 in 1, you know, 1 shot or go 5 and 5, however you wanna do it Oh, really well. And keep that going. Okay. Right? But that's how we would do it for folks with the metabolic damage, wanting to speed up their their metabolism,
1:07:53Speaker 3get it fired up again because it's it's going into the mitochondria and firing it up, right, the the powerhouse of every living cell. So so did you get complaints
1:08:19Speaker 5issue, the 5 mg, a lot of people would say, Ugh, I feel kind of like hypertensive, almost like
1:08:26Speaker 3And now I but I can't work it off. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So That's an interesting 1. So anyway, I'm just curious. No, I'm actually I haven't heard it. Haven't had those. No. What I would hear a lot is I feel hot. Yeah. Oh, man. I feel so hot after I'm taking that, and I go, well, that's great. I'm glad your metabolism's working out. You know? But that that was a major complaint that I would hear was that they would feel hot or, unfortunately, and I'm actually 1 of those people, I get a horrible histamine reaction to it. Horrible,
1:08:52Speaker 3horrible histamine reaction. So so also to that point, when I'm bringing up histamine reactions, guys, with with peptides, it's not unusual to to feel that way. So 1 of the things that you can do, right, 1 of the things that you can do,
1:09:11Speaker 3Right? And also not just Benadryl, Dosertag, Claritine, whatever you want. Right? Xyzal. That's my favorite. I take a Xyzal-
1:09:22Speaker 3So there you go. So take an oral antihistamine or a topical antihistamine before you inject. Right? That'll usually solve that.
1:09:29Speaker 3That's with MOTS-seed, and I'm 1 of those folks myself. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but great point.
1:09:39Speaker 5It's funny, like, everything that we talk about, we did pip during the week. Right? Yeah. So we
1:09:47Speaker 3And it literally makes me want to do more of whatever we talk about. And it's fantastic. That shit's cool, It's easy longevity, dude. For longevity, it's amazing. Yeah. It gets lumped in with peptides. It's a Cohen's. I have to say I just say that, guys, because remember, I'm out there, you know, speaking in conferences. I'm speaking with doctors, so forgive me for the nerdiness of trying to, you know, clean myself up all the time. Usually not enough time. I know, dude. I'm so guy.
1:10:10Speaker 3I know, and I'm like, I I I hate myself low key for these things, but I have to do it. Right? So the thing is is it So everything dosage. Yeah. Yeah. So just so you guys also understand, when it comes to the dosages of all these these peptides that I'm talking about, so that folks know that I'm not just, like, picking it out of thin air or that, like, I just sat down and read something and I'm I'm regurgitating
1:10:28Speaker 3study guide. Yeah. I I the thing is is that when I worked at these these very, very large clinics, right, we would have to develop and you guys have seen it. I've pulled back the the curtain for the wizard of wizard of Oz here. We we would create what's called SOAP notes. Right? The SOAP notes subjective,
1:10:44Speaker 3objective assessment plan, right, for every single patient. So it would speak about dosing, timing, frequency. And I've always
1:10:51Speaker 3maintained those SOAP notes so I could go back to them and look at them and then see what new data's coming out. So that's where my dosing timing frequency comes up. Right? And I just want the audience to understand that. And that was always written by doctors for years, and it was before these peptides went on the do not compound list. So we were able to get them from the 5 0 3 compounding pharma right? And we could write a doctor's prescription to them. So that's where my dosing timing frequency and everything comes from. So when it comes to NAD,
1:11:18Speaker 3NAD typically, the way that we would dose it was we would say, don't wanna go over in a
1:11:33Speaker 3in a week's time. So 5 to 7 days. So if you go 50 mg, right, 4 times a week, cool. You wanna do 25 mg daily? Go for it. So that's typically the sweet spot is about 200 mg a week. Right? But like I said, you're such a big guy. Right? You could go for maybe 5 days. Maybe, but maybe not. Like, early on, when I was trying NAD,
1:11:56Speaker 5was 1 point, and I don't know, I think it was higher than 50. Somewhere between 50 and 70 mg. But
1:12:06Speaker 5The tingling started with my feet and hands and rapidly went through. And actually, as soon as it kind of got up, maybe my stomach, my nose, my nasal cavities- then Oh yeah.
1:12:18Speaker 5I remember having my phone in my hand and I had said, it was like, oh shit, sit down and I was paralyzed
1:12:27Speaker 5nothing was responding. Oh yeah. And I was like, and I could not move. Like it was overwhelming, like nothing worked on my body.
1:12:35Speaker 5Didn't flex a muscle. Everyone's insane. I was like, alright, dude. I just better I hope I can yell. If I start falling out, right, I better God forbid. Yell to my friend. I knew he was upstairs, but but luckily, I've done some crazy stuff. Yeah. Been been through some weird shit before, so I just You're okay. Yeah. Like, just breathe it out. That's what I'm going do. Just felt that, like, whoo. And then about 20 seconds later, it's You come back. You come
1:13:01Speaker 5I would've flipped and gone ape shit. Like, I would've, you know, like, called the ABCs. Don't know going It's
1:13:10Speaker 3So that happens. No. And you know what? To your point. Right? So I got a funny story for you.
1:13:16Speaker 3So 1 of my really good friends, I'll tell you guys off camera who it was. He's he's he's 1 of my really great friends. He's been nothing but a blessing in my life. Love the dude. And he's a big guy. Okay? And I remember I was at his house, and and he goes, hey, bro. Because I was visiting him. He goes, we're we're gonna go to the gym at, like, I think it's some ungodly hour, like, 04:30 in the morning or something, 05:00. I go, cool. I'll meet you downstairs.
1:13:36Speaker 3And as I go downstairs, I see he's laying on the couch. And I'm like, okay, cool. I go and do my thing. All of a sudden, just pops
1:13:44Speaker 3up and he goes, dude, I think I took, like, like, 500 mgs of of NAD by accident. Holy shit. And I go, are you serious? He goes, yeah, dude. He goes, I just kinda, like, knocked out like this, and I just came back. I go, I go, thought you were just laying there waiting for me so we could go to the gym. Aw.
1:13:59Speaker 3So it can happen. You know, it can happen. Yeah, man. To to even the seasoned veterans, dude. I get it. Also, don't overdose on PT 1 41. Yeah. That's a bad time. That's a bad time. That's
1:14:12Speaker 5and things like that come into play. Ears get really hot. I've I've heard it all. That's also when the doctor If you're gonna overdose on any 1 of them, they'll they'll do that 1. Well, you'll do that I 1 mean, do that 1 or have your girlfriend with you too, at least. There you go. Yeah, because that's 1 of the, like, you always read those commercials that the doctors talk about Viagra or something. If you have an erection that lasts longer than 6 hours or like 18 hours, That can an and then that was an Like,
1:14:40Speaker 5accidentally filled the bottle with like a mg or a mil less water than normal. And so super concentrated. The regular dose Yeah. But didn't so but I did double because I I forgot.
1:14:51Speaker 3Oh, she hated you for that. Was lost. She's not happy. Yeah. She hated you for that. Walk home from the pool, like, with the with the pet towels. Yeah. It's like, there's just not. So I'm 16 again. Oh, man. So 1 other thing that I did want to say as a caveat when it comes to growth hormone releasing peptides, right, and GH in general, is that, guys, again, we talk about blood work so many times on here, right? The 1 thing that I'll mention is that
1:15:16Speaker 3if anything's out of whack, please address. Right? Let's just always please address that. Like, if you see your a s your liver enzymes,
1:15:24Speaker 3lipid panel, anything like that that seems out of whack, talk to a professional, look at that, and then think about your your growth protocol. Right? Yeah. The thing is, is that if there's any active cancer, tumors, whatever, that's got to be addressed.
1:15:42Speaker 3these peptides are incredibly strong and they work fantastically well. And in my opinion,
1:15:47Speaker 3there's not gonna be anything better than these because the reason why now hear me out, I know we can say GLP-1s, all that, but
1:15:55Speaker 3when we look at overall wellness and health, right, you're increasing your lean muscle mass. Yeah. And you're increasing your metabolism and you're burning the body fat. So it's making you really healthy. It's not just something to think about. Know, 1 1 thing I wanna mention is- term, it's huge. Long term, it's long term healthy.
1:16:10Speaker 5Exactly. You burn off all your muscle, your metabolism drops. Yep. Yep. And you don't stay the right weight for long because it'll just come rushing back on a whim if you decide to start eating a little bit more for a couple of weeks. Exactly. But if we can actually keep your muscle mass up,
1:16:25Speaker 5Cool. If you just really buck, like, you don't have to do any cardio. Right. Muscle just burns all the extra bad Damn, crap you eat man. It's nice. And the 1 thing that I want the audience to take away from all of this today is that when you look at the GH peptides,
1:16:41Speaker 3there's some that stimulate GH, and then there's some that bypass it. Right? So that's your IGF-1LR-3s,
1:16:47Speaker 3that's your Tesamorelin, sommorelin, and then that's HGH on its own. Right? So that's the way that you wanna look at it and think about what your goals are and what you're looking to do. Yeah, that's what it's always gonna come down to. And be healthy, be smart, think about it. And then when it comes to length of all these, right? Because we talked about some dosing timing frequency, right? But let's talk about the length, because quite frankly, I'm gonna be very candid between us and the whole audience here. But HGH,
1:17:13Speaker 3For longevity, you can do it for long term. Let's just be real. Okay. You can you can be on it long term. Yeah. Okay? That but I'm talking that 1 to 2 IU. Cool. Right? Sweet spot. And and me personally, I like to do that 5 days on, 2 days off. I take the weekends off. Right?
1:17:33Speaker 3But for healthy people, I would always say for insulin sensitivity, just just go for that, you know, 12 to 16 weeks. You know, try and give that a shot.
1:17:44Speaker 3I'd also say that 12 to 16 weeks. IGF LR3 pulse it because remember that's the 1 that's gonna bypass, and that's the 1 that is going to actually really promote the muscle growth protein synthesis. It's gonna do a lot of really cool things. Go 4 to 6 weeks, come off of it, at least give yourself 0.5 the time off that you were on. So if you went 6 weeks, stay off 3. You know, if you can stay off for 6, even better.
1:18:08Speaker 3the best thing that I can say right now is cycle it and don't run it indefinitely because we don't have enough information on it So
1:18:15Speaker 3that's because like I said, the dose is wide ranging so much. Right? I felt great at at 1 mg, and I would go, oh my god. I was just on this thing for, like, 6 months. I should probably, like, give it a break. Right? So I'm guilty of it in myself. Really? But when we start to creep up into these bigger doses, that's where I just say, hey, man. Let's let's be smart. For sure. Use your brains, people. Everybody use your brains. Like, we're just throwing these numbers, like, and we're not really just arbitrarily throwing numbers out. Okay, but
1:18:40Speaker 5everybody just needs to do, you know, feel your way out. Start small. Like, less literally is more. I know. Really think about that and don't
1:18:48Speaker 5On your pocketbook too. And things at once you don't know what's working for you, and you can, therefore, you can't replicate it in the future. Right?
1:18:59Speaker 3tell the doctors too is when I was speak so the last last talk that I gave at at the conference that I was at in LA was it was actually about healing and recovery peptides. Right? And some of the things that I would tell them repeatedly
1:19:12Speaker 3Start low, go slow. And that could be the mantra for everyone when it comes to all this stuff. Start start low, go slow. Right. Right? You don't need to jump into the deep end of the pool by any means. Right? That's it. And and and see what your clinical response is and then titrate upwards slowly when it makes sense. Right? And people go, well, when does it make sense, Paul? Well, it makes sense if you're not getting the desired effect anymore. And you go, oh, you know what? Like, maybe I should titrate up a little bit because I'm not burning fat or whatever's happening. So that's it. Alright. Yep. Yep.
1:19:43Speaker 5We're about out town. But I do have 1 last request for you, and we talked about this before we walked in here, male
1:19:57Speaker 3Love another man. So, so there was I'll give you a quick little story. So way back when, as as 1 of the patient care directors of of these clinics that I was at for the telehealth,
1:20:07Speaker 3there was a guy who was young and he was morbidly obese. He was 430 pounds. Okay? And I don't care how tall you are at any height, that's that's a lot of weight to carry. Right? So
1:20:17Speaker 3he he had really clinically low testosterone, but he had still luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone. The LH and FSH were still pulsing, so we could see it there. And that's what we gauge fertility off of when we're looking at blood work. Right? So
1:20:30Speaker 3for him, what we what we did was we did 25 mg of n n clomiphene, e n Yeah. Clomiphene citrate daily.
1:20:41Speaker 3would I do a little bit higher, but I'm gonna tell you what you did for him, but I would for you to go higher.
1:20:45Speaker 3Because if you're really trying to do this the right way, I'm I'm gonna tell you. Mhmm. And in my opinion from the research and everything that I've seen, but we did 500 IUs of HCG twice a week for him. But now That's kind of low. Yeah. That's what was gonna say. So that's what the doctors were comfortable writing prescriptions on. Right? Right. But if my good friend Will is really
1:21:03Speaker 3looking to have God's blessing upon him, you know what I mean? Yeah, at least. Well, I was actually gonna go and say you can even creep that up a little bit to thousand, but watch your estrogen. Watch your estrogen. Okay? The next thing that you can do, if you can get your hands on it, is going to be 75 IUs of HMG. And you're gonna say that. I can and I have it.
1:21:25Speaker 3what? 75 I use, guess what? HMG comes in bottles of 75 I use usually. So that's a bottle. My baby making protocol. So tell me, so how often oh, yeah. Keep keep going. Keep going. And how often on the HMG? So HMG every other day. And then like I said, I'd push up that that HCG to either 1000 or 2,000 every other Right? Yeah. But be careful of the water retention, estrogen, stuff like that, but pay attention to yourself. Right?
1:21:49Speaker 3And so there are protocols where people go with I don't like Clomid. I'm just gonna put that out there. There's gonna be clomid in the world. I do not like it. People go 50 mg every day. I go, no. Go with enclomiphene
1:22:07Speaker 3That's 1. Remember when I when I was training the group and I and I have Michael Jordan crying? That's that's Clomid. That's 1. Remember that in that slide? I'll I'll reset. That's the 1. So and then just for to clean everything up, I do this year round anyways,
1:22:23Speaker 3Yeah, that's very awesome. Yeah. Every day. I just had a glutathione drip on something. I like it every day. I had some I had another, like, IV therapy nurse come over to my house on Sunday night. And the 1 thing I told you what was in there, glutathione was the other thing. See, that's his baby face will, bro. Yeah. That's the glutechione, I'm telling you. Because you know what? It's strongest antioxidant that's out there that's gonna go around your body, get rid of free radicals and everything else that can create horrible things in us. Right? And it and it's great for hair, skin, nails. It's an incredible detoxifier.
1:22:50Speaker 2Mean, dog is taking a Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So you think every day. That's great. How much are you taking? Dude, I mean, when I take a mil of what we have, so 16.
1:23:34Speaker 3you're taking 2 50 mg is what you're doing. So so that's cool. That's absolutely good, bro. Yeah. Absolutely. That a week? Yeah. It's probably perfect. Yeah. It's brilliant. With at high doses, which is like 600 mgs daily.
1:23:46Speaker 3That's about the most that you can absorb. Your skin start to go pale. Yeah. And that's the most that you can really absorb is that 4 to 600 really, like, efficiently.
1:23:57Speaker 3Like I said, 200 daily, but you can even go 300 every other 200 daily. Yeah. Daily. And I'm doing 250
1:24:03Speaker 3every. Yeah. Watch it out. Good. Yeah. You can help it. You can help it. Alright. Yeah. Just pull back on that plunger a little bit, you know? You know. Never know. Not me.
1:24:12Speaker 2Man, we love you, brother. We, I wanna close it out by saying thank you. It's finally good to have you here. Yeah, thanks for bringing me out, man. Really appreciate it. You're coming back in May, so maybe we'll do it again. Absolutely. The viewers love it. We love it. We appreciate you talking for hours. Easy peasy.
1:24:28Speaker 3It's my name, Paul Bakhtior. It's b a k h t I a r across all socials. Paul Bakhtior. Mhmm. We'll obviously tag him, and and you'll see him all over. He'll make some appearances in our school. Yeah. Folks that we've made announcements about that.
1:24:46Speaker 5we have direct access to JD and I, we will bounce ideas. We bounce some of your questions off of him for sure. And
1:24:53Speaker 2we're hoping to get him to kind of, you know, pop in there every once in a while. Looking forward to it. So love it. Well, even if you're in Vegas, we're gonna pop in, try to do once a week, Zoom call. You jump on and, meet some of the people that, our listeners, they love the Q and A stuff, and, we're gonna have a meetup. So we will be doing that here at the warehouse and all's gonna fly out, so it's gonna be good. I'm looking forward to it, man. I wanna see all the warriors. It's gonna be great. Fun, man. Well, we love you, man. And other than that, we will catch you on the next round.