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1:56Speaker 4He's been on the show many times. I call him the Jedi, but he's president of the telehealth of 1 of the largest manufacturers
2:04Speaker 4He's a speaker for, the doctors network groups, and he's a keynote speaker at a lot of the peptide conferences and a lot of people go to. He knows his stuff. We love him. We call him brother.
2:22Speaker 4we should have been recording the whole time. He's 1 of us. We could sit and talk about this stuff forever. We've gone out about
2:33Speaker 5gear. It's been a great conversation already, but welcome, dude. So Man, my pleasure. Always love having you guys here. Yeah, man. Thank you. Thank you. It's great to be here. That's your introduction, but you tell us in your own words who you are. Who you are, what do you do? Little bit about myself. Okay. Yeah. So, again, thank you so much for for having me here. Love the audience. You guys are fantastic. Every time I'm here, you guys have been nothing but but warm and welcoming. So number 1, in 1 sentence, what I always tell people I do, especially as a consultant, besides being president of telehealth ops,
3:00Speaker 5what I do is really peptide integration into clinics, med spas, telehealth, where I train them, I teach them education wise on peptides. I even go over sales and marketing compliance too. Huge. Yeah. Love that. That's huge in today's world. What does that mean in,
3:15Speaker 5in shorter words? So what that basically means is if you are a clinic owner, a med spa, or just a doctor practicing and you go, how in the hell do I use peptides? And how do I do it safely?
3:27Speaker 5And how do I do it where I'm not gonna get myself in trouble? I'm the guy you call. Yep. You're gonna train them, their staff, protocols, all the above. Yep. It's needed. In addition to building telehealth verticals. Yep. Yeah. And as a little adjunct note there, Paul has trained our entire staff. Yeah. That was an honor, man. Always good. Good times. He just the same way that he trained
3:49Speaker 4He's you're all knowledgeable. Very good outlet for us. You know, Will and I love this stuff, and, we're all kind of dorks in regards to it. We love this stuff. We can talk about it forever, but he's a good phone call away for,
4:00Speaker 4I remember I'm and I'm gonna start with this question because I've dropped a couple posts on this and I want them to hear from you and not me about if you
4:10Speaker 4and you're taking 5 and how I do it, and I've cleared just to confirm with you, you pull them out, I do 10 units in the bottle, 10 units in a bottle, 10 units in the bottle. So 5 peptides in 1 bottle, 1
4:24Speaker 4boom. Does it mess up the pH balance or mess up the peptide in any way? Are people still wanting to be pin cushions out there?
4:32Speaker 4This is absolutely the way to do it. Right. 100%. You don't need to take 5 different injections. No. No, man. It's called being intelligent. Yeah. Absolutely. Truth of the trade, man. I tell everyone to go, you don't need to feel like a pin cushion. No. You know, especially if you're doing your dosing timing frequency at the same time. Yeah, absolutely. Mix them together. Blend them. Put them in the same syringe. Right. Well, like, as you go, you get better at things. Yep. Right? When didn't 1st learn how to text, you sucked at it. Now you're good at it. I'm pretty sure. You do it every day. So when you start doing peptides, which most that start
5:00Speaker 4continue on, whether it be BPC or a GLP-one that entered them into the world, then they start batting lot C SS-thirty 1, and then they open the door.
5:13Speaker 4because my opinion on this has changed over the last few years of just doing research on myself. Sure. Is there a sweet spot or a certain amount of peptides that you would suggest in a cycle? Like
5:30Speaker 4know, I've done as many as 9. Sure. I think that at this point, you know, it's a little bit over over too much for me. Sure. So
5:37Speaker 5I would say, I'm curious what your thoughts are. It's always gonna come down to what's goal? Trying What are to do? Right? So if you got a guy or a girl who goes, hey, and I'm I'm just gonna generalize about 90% of folks out there. Right? They go, I need to put on more lean muscle mass. I need to drop body fat. Right. I need more energy,
5:56Speaker 5maybe let's just say more libido. Right? So what do we just talk about there? We talked about 4 or 5 different peptides, right, like easily, that we can go through. Okay, hey, you wanna put on more lean muscle mass, we can go into, like, Tesamorelin, and then we know that Tesamorelin is also gonna help them with the drop in the body fat, the visceral adipose tissue. And then when it comes to energy, bring in something like a coenzyme like NAD plus. Sure. If they need some other stuff with MOTS-C, fire up that mitochondria on the metabolism. Sure. And then libido, PT-one 41, oxytocin. So it just really depends on what the goals are, man. But but can you go
6:44Speaker 5So let's talk about growth hormone releasing peptides because we're gonna talk about that today, right? So you're not going to run
6:50Speaker 5some morelin with Tesamorelin. Right. They're going after the same same thing. Right? Now when it comes to and I know that we'll talk about this in a little bit, but when it comes to Ipamorelin,
7:01Speaker 5type of of growth hormone releasing peptide, we'll get into why you run that concurrently with a stronger growth hormone releasing peptide. So those are the times when you're gonna mix them up. Yeah. Yeah. And not mix them up also.
7:19Speaker 4drug for lack of better way to say, which is gonna be BPC and TB- If they start with an injury. Right. Or they're trying to lose weight and they start with GLP-one.
7:32Speaker 4results very quickly. And these things are amazing. That's how I got into peptides. This dude right here, years ago, 7, 8 years ago, whatever it was,
7:45Speaker 4Woah. Amazing. That was awesome. You what mean? Because you lift heavy weights, man, you're getting tendonitis. But
7:52Speaker 4are always intrigued. There's always questions, but there's not a lot of knowledge out there.
8:11Speaker 4Kind of have Kerblanch to kind of talk about some of this stuff because a lot of listeners are so curious. You just said why we should run 2 of the same, but which ones should we run? What are the dosages? What people should do those dosages? We could talk about it for days. Love it. So I'll let you have the mic for a bit and- Yeah, man. Let's do it. Okay. So when it comes to
8:31Speaker 5the growth hormone releasing category or just let's just say growth hormone category in general, okay, there's gonna be some growth hormone
8:39Speaker 5compounds that will replace what your body's actually making. There's some that are gonna stimulate your own natural production.
8:47Speaker 5And then when I say those 2 things, there's also gonna be some that work literally upstream and then downstream. Downstream,
8:57Speaker 5Some of the things that we'll start off with so let's actually talk about that growth hormone. Let's talk about growth hormone in general. Right? Am I allowed to say somatropin? Yes. Okay. I was like, cool. I just wanna make sure I'm allowed to say that. A fan. Okay. Cool. Am I allowed to say that? Thank you. Okay. So
9:16Speaker 5Me personally, and again, I can talk personal stuff. Right? So me personally, the way that I like to take HGH, right, and when we're talking about HGH and I mentioned somatropin because I think that that's probably what some of the audience will maybe know about. Sure. It's a 191 amino acid sequence, which is the entire amino acid chain, which peptides come from, right, that we're all producing within ourselves. But when you're taking HGH, for example, the way that I like to do that is 1 to 2 IUs a day. I like to do it in the morning for the lipolysis, meaning for the fat burning qualities of it. The
9:47Speaker 5reason why you wanna take something like HGH, right, is because what it's gonna do is it's going to essentially raise your own IGF-one levels. Okay? And when you do that, incredible things happen. Tissue repair, better skin, better sleep, more muscle, less body fat, all kinds of stuff. Healing. Right. Healing, for sure. But you have to take that into consideration that what you're doing is is that you're overriding
10:12Speaker 5your own natural growth hormone. Sure. Right? That's the difference. Now, when you talk about the secretagogues
10:26Speaker 5what those are actually signaling to the body is going, hey, mister pituitary gland, like in this in the case of Semorlin and Tesamorelin specifically,
10:33Speaker 5goes to the to the pituitary gland, knocks on that door and goes, Hey, really like what you're doing here. Make more of it. Yeah. Right? So that's the big difference between HGH and then using a peptide. Yeah. Okay. Now, when you're using something else like IGF-1LR-three,
10:49Speaker 5that is actually something that we wanna be more I'm just gonna use a word like cautious, okay, a little bit because why? What that's actually signaling to the body is it's signaling to the body to,
11:00Speaker 5really for muscle growth. Sure. Right? And it's also a nutrient partitioning agent. Sure. Right? So what do I mean by that? So on 1 of the last times that I was here, so sorry audience if you guys have heard me say this 1000000 times, I am a fan of IGF-1LR-three.
11:22Speaker 5Right before you go to the gym. Right? So you say before the gym? Before the gym. I like it before the gym. I know that there's some other protocols right after the gym too. Reason why I like it before the gym is because if you are actually trying to, let's say Bulk up. Yeah. Bulk up or even you got a problem area. Right?
11:44Speaker 3Why are looking at me? I was like, why are you guys looking at me? We're not attacking anyone. We have friend who hasn't worn shorts since 5 years. But
11:55Speaker 5nameless. So, again, a problem area. Right? And you go, okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna take my my IGF LR3 right before the gym, a good 30 15, 30 minutes before, and then the key is is that you wanna take your BCAAs, your EAs, a little bit of a carb mix, and sip on that while you're training, the pumps are amazing.
12:12Speaker 5Because what it's actually doing is it's gonna take those nutrients and literally put it right in those muscles that you're breaking down. Right. And then you go home and Interesting. I don't remember him saying that before. Really? No. I do. I do. I remember.
12:28Speaker 6workout, when we have just torn the muscles down, right? And they are now a sponge, just be like, Give me food
12:38Speaker 6not do it to that time and then then obviously take some of your carbs, some of your fast acting carbs and protein right after and then that just shoots up rebuilding.
12:48Speaker 5Absolutely do that. Do both. I mean, you absolutely can. Do. The reason why and let's just let's just be really blunt here. Right? The reason why I like to take it right before the gym is because I can watch the pump in real time, and it's amazing. That's great. Vanity. Because remember, was a bodybuilder in a previous life. Right? So that's really what it comes out to is you will morph into a different person in the gym when you do that. It's really cool. Right? Just
13:09Speaker 5the pumps are immaculate. And then you go home and you eat your meal afterwards, you'll just fill out. It's it's incredible. And you still are. Yeah, folks. Like, you still are
13:17Speaker 6well, I I actually do think, like, from the time that we 1st tear the muscle. Yeah. So there is a little bit of a truth to this window, like the protein- Antimony window. You know I'm saying? And so most people think, Hey, an hour?
13:30Speaker 6Oh, I gotta get my protein in an hour. Just think folks, though, that that is that that hour clock starts ticking from the 1st muscle you tear. Yep. That means the beginning of your workout. Yep. Yep. And so don't work out, then wait wait longer.
13:46Speaker 6Yep. Yeah. Drink a protein shake, and then it's about a 6 hour window too of you being still pretty anabolic.
13:55Speaker 5just like fat does, because our body has a whole bunch of other stuff to deal with. Yep. Then at nighttime, through the roof. Absolutely. Because of its age. Well, and that's a great point when you say at nighttime. Right? Because that's the time that we're always gonna say, hey, take your Tesamorelin.
14:07Speaker 5Take your Semorlin at night. Yeah. Because it's gonna amplify that natural GH that's hitting you. Right? And then that's where you get a lot of the great benefits of the visceral fat being eaten away, you know, with things like Tesamorelin, again got its FDA approval for that specifically.
14:27Speaker 5let's call them ghrelin secretagogues and ghrelin guys, what that is, is it's a hormone that's secreted by the stomach that tells you you're hungry. Right? So
14:35Speaker 5things like Ipamorelin to an extent, my favorite as you guys already know is MK-six 77, ibutamorelin. Right? Then that's when you start to get into GHRP-two,
14:50Speaker 5research and I don't I don't know. If you can give me an answer to why the hell I would ever take those. Yep. When I have Sermorelin and Tesamorelin or CGC. Absolutely right, man. 100%. So that's why you're talk about them too much. I just want the audience to be aware of them so that what yeah. They are there. But because of the advancements in in science, there's there's better peptides out there for sure. But those are the ones that I would always say, hey, you know, if you're gonna use that to either gain some good muscle weight, right, muscle size.
15:17Speaker 5At the same time IGF-one? No. We're talking about the the ghrelin secretagogues. Right? So Ibutamorelin m k 6 a k m k 6 7 7. Epimorelin. Epimorelin. The
16:48Speaker 4to eat right, work out right, get their nutrients in, and bulk up within 12 weeks. For sure. Yeah. They'll put on 16 pounds. Dude, absolutely. It's really amazing. You've seen guys training with good coaches. Like, I've seen some across the way, and I've well, Brett. Yeah. For sure. Man, it's like, dude, some of what they can do is, like, with just diet. I mean, obviously, compounds and stuff too, but, like,
17:09Speaker 5it it ain't easy to get all ripped like that, like, that fast. No. It's not. There's there's a science to it. Absolutely. You know mean? But if you ask any guy who's not in shape and sees somebody is and So steroids. It's like, jeez, I can do that if I just took All the time, dude. Steroids. All the time. You could've. No. You could've been. So, you know, everything that we're talking about right now is is kind of like more of what I would call, like, the upstream version. Right? Sure. Except for IGF LR3. IGF LR3 would what I want the audience to think about is that's downstream is what I mean by that. Right? Because what it's actually doing is it's signaling muscle growth.
17:52Speaker 5which is what's actually gonna do the work. Yeah. Right? So when you're taking IGF-1LR-three,
17:59Speaker 5you're skipping that. Right? So just, you know, word of caution. Just be be be cognizant of how you do it. Sure. You don't wanna go hypo with it. You know, make sure that's why I said sip on carbs. Yeah. Take your EAAs or BCAs
18:10Speaker 5because you will get a nasty from it. You're gonna feel great. You're gonna get more energy, and you're gonna watch the muscles grow. Do you think, like,
18:28Speaker 6because of the hypo part. So I wouldn't- So at least if you're doing it, at least if you're doing it, at least run some carbs either right after or during? During. That's what I was gonna say. Like, you can time your carbs. So if you wanna stay keto or as keto as possible Sure. You can You're working off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can time it. You can time it for sure, especially with a good carb drink. So quick question. Well, 1st of all, wanna correct. I know we talked about IGF-one. I we mentioned in the last episode, but I wanna correct myself. Was thinking no, not even you, just us. Like, I literally was thinking about this, and I think I misspoke everybody and was talking about since 20 micrograms was saying 200 micrograms. Oh, no. Yeah. So I just want everybody to know, like
19:20Speaker 5of essentially cycle of IGF-one. Yeah. So what do I think? Yeah. Thank you for keeping me on point, fellas, because I I love the fact that here I've got the opportunity to actually talk about protocols and stuff. So thank you. Yeah. So the thing is is that, again, with insulin sensitivity being an issue with growth hormone releasing peptides, right, that I that I want everyone to think about. So especially when it comes to IGF-1LR-three,
19:39Speaker 5about a good 4 to 6 weeks, pulse that stuff, you know, like go on and off of it. Give your give your body a little bit of a break. And then how how long off? Again,
19:47Speaker 6I would do for however long you're on, stay off. Yep. You know? Alright. That's why I'm There is no way that we are gonna tell you hard, fast rules. Yeah. These are suggestions and everybody just needs to do a little form of that. Use your brain. Do what you need to do. Don't be stupid. By the way. Don't run it for 12 months. And frankly, these are just our well, they are our opinions. And Absolutely. We've tried to decide to do what I decided to do. So Yep. Don't be dumb. And
20:11Speaker 5and then the other thing carry on. But okay. No problem. I just wanted to mention this 1 last part and to to culminate the the GH that we're talking about, the growth hormone category.
20:25Speaker 5And we don't really use them that much anymore, right, because the reason why is AOD-ninety 6 0 4 is kind of taking that over out of all of these. But the fragments are are what is it? Have 1906.
20:37Speaker 5Thank you. Fragment 1 7 6 1 9 1. So these are great and AOD-nine thousand 604, which actually stands for anti
20:44Speaker 5obesity drug, 96 0 4. That also, guys, is 1 of the peptides that's out there that does have human studies. So when people tell you there's no human studies, that's 1 of the peptides that has human studies on it. And what that's going to do is it's mainly for just lipolysis,
21:05Speaker 5but it doesn't affect your insulin levels. Right. That I believe is and then we'll go into SLU-1MQ and all those later, but AOD-1MQ has more questions on Yeah, KOV though is kind of got his bad rap recently. There's lot of people that don't think that it does.
21:22Speaker 5I freaking love it. It's in my top 5. Well, okay, let's talk about dosing then because whenever someone goes, Hey man, that didn't work for me or whatever, I go, Okay, let's talk dosing time and frequency.
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21:51Speaker 3Hydrates Gatorade better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration. Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. I get so many headaches every month. It could be chronic migraine 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. Botox on a botulinum toxin A prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those who have 14 or fewer headache days a month. Prescription Botox is injected by your doctor. Effects of Botox may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. Allerg your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life threatening condition. Patients with these conditions before injection are at highest risk. Side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue, and headache. Allergic reactions can include rash, welts, asthma symptoms, dizziness. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, including ALS Lou Gehrig's disease, Myasthenia gravis, or Lambert Eaton syndrome, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects.
23:02Speaker 5You can, right? But the thing is, is like, as long as you're getting in 300 micrograms,
23:07Speaker 5right, in the morning, fasted at least 30 to 45 minutes before food or caffeine. Sure. And you're doing if you're gonna be really all about it, do fasted cardio. Yeah. Do fasted cardio and then watch the fat drip off of you. Mhmm. Right? Again, guys, at least 300 mics, and I wouldn't really push that past 0.5 a milligram, 500 mics. Yeah. Right? I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far.
23:33Speaker 5with some of the studies and and things that I've seen out there, because the way that peptides are filtered through the kidneys, right, if you take too much, like you're going up to a gram, 2 g of this stuff like that, it will start to fry the kidneys. Oh, wow. So you gotta be careful. I've never heard that. Could it cause kidney stones? It it can actually get a lot worse. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
23:51Speaker 6We kidney stone in the family. Oh, no kidding. That oh, and JD's family. My wife is babe, you cannot have IGF-one hundred. Hopefully, she's not taking well, we're talking about COD.
24:05Speaker 6Not IGF-one. Can I just address the kiddies just real quick for the misses? She does get kidney stones a lot. SS 31. Yes. SS 30 one's great. Yep. She also had unfortunately, I don't if this is okay. But, like, Thymosin Alpha takes Botox away. So literally the other day, I was like, Why don't you just blast the hell out of Thymosin Alpha? She's like, Oh my God.
24:30Speaker 4So her face didn't look go well, so then she kept going back to fix it and I'm like, just stops.
24:41Speaker 5Son's dear old party. The good news is that she works out. So when you work out, the stuff becomes bad. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think, so the IGF-one,
24:49Speaker 4if you, for somebody like myself, it's like, doesn't matter what I do. My calves don't grow.
24:56Speaker 4twice a week like every other suckers. I'm just joking. Sometimes it's just genetics. It is. It is. Most of the time, it's just Do your lip, dickheads. That's what I get. But anyways, do you is there any truth to you think that
25:08Speaker 5because what it does, do you think injecting the calves or wherever you have your weakest point you're trying to grow Yeah. After the lift that it does anything, or is that just kind of a side injection? That that's anecdotal evidence. There's a lot of people that think that. Yeah. That that's anecdotal evidence because I've I've I've because remember, my my background was in bodybuilding, competing, all that stuff. So the thing is is, like, seeing that, and I and I would hear guys go, oh, man. I just put 2 IUs in this arm and 2 IUs in that arm of Somatropin.
25:36Speaker 5Like, I swear my biceps got bigger. Yeah. Yeah. I go, cool, man. Like, I just go, that's great. I'm happy that it worked for you. You know, but there's there's no actual sound sound evidence for it, man. The only thing that we really do have the the sound
25:51Speaker 5on it would be with, believe it or not, TB 500. I'm sure you guys do believe it. Right? This TB 500 where where when you get it as close to the injury side as possible, it does have anti inflammatory effects, but that's 1 of the only ones. And even that, if it's like in a hard place, I'll just tell folks, I go, hey, man, just go systemic. It'll get there. Sure. Yeah. After my surgery, you told me to do Sub Q. I wasn't gonna like turn around and give it back. Yeah.
26:15Speaker 6Yeah. So, no doubt. Okay. So question. So if Ipamorelin is the stimulator of your ghrelin
26:20Speaker 6receptor and essentially like, tell me this if I'm wrong, but our body, it's almost like a trigger, right? Like what that does is activate
26:28Speaker 6that gorrelin receptor, which happens to make you hungry, which is not really, that's not the ultimate plan when developing this
26:35Speaker 6peptide. I'm just not like, let's find something to make you hungry. It was, let's find something to stimulate your growth, your pituitary to tell your body to make growth hormone. And
26:54Speaker 5I don't know if you ever Yeah, I know. That's a great question. And the answer to that 1 is off the top of my head, why is it that when ghrelin is activated, it's telling your body to make more that's a good question. I have to get back to you that. There may not be a real question because God didn't use logic maybe when made our minds. Have to find that out. That's a good that's a damn good question. Because why? It just does. Do you know you know why we use Ipamorelin
27:14Speaker 5more than anything when especially when we blend it with, like, Tesamorelin or you'll see it with CJC or you'll see it with some some really? Well, it does 2 things, 2 really cool things actually. Number 1, what it's gonna do is it's gonna it's essentially opening up the pathways for the stronger peptide,
27:32Speaker 5right, into the receptors more easily. Think about it as opening up the pathways. The 2nd thing that's really cool about it, what Epimorelin does, is that it acts as a governor. It stops the body from overproducing,
27:43Speaker 5you know, the IGF because we're sitting here signaling to the body. Make IGF. Make IGF. Make more growth hormone. Too much. And then you don't wanna have too much. And so let's talk about the sweet spot. Okay? Because I read lab work all the time, and this is something that I've advised against. I I don't mean against. I mean, I've advised with of how you should be looking at your lab markers. Right?
28:03Speaker 5The sweet spot, guys, is gonna be on the IGF-one marker on your blood work is you wanna keep it in between 2 50 to 3 50. Right? Reason why is because if you go outside that, you're gonna start getting really bad side effects, things like carpal tunnel, water retention,
28:18Speaker 5the insulin sensitivity issues that we just mentioned. But if you stay within that 2 50 to 3 50, and it doesn't matter if you're a guy that's will size or or a a woman your wife size. Right? So
28:29Speaker 5you wanna stay in that range. Why? 3 incredible things are gonna happen when you're in that range, 2 50 to 3 50. Number 1,
28:39Speaker 5Number 2, you're gonna yeah, huge. Right? Number 2, you're gonna be able to put on lean muscle mass a whole heck of a lot more efficiently. Sweet. Number 3,
28:48Speaker 5for for guys in our age group, this is my favorite part, right, is that you're gonna go in that deeper REM sleep. The rapid eye movements Okay. Quicker. You stay there longer.
28:56Speaker 5Now what happens with that rest and recovery goes up? In addition to that, you're also gonna be able to think more clearly. Cognitive function goes up. I'm sure. So it's a lot of really good things by by by, by making sure that you're optimized on your growth hormone. Right? The only annoying thing is is that, man, you're gonna have to clip your fingernails a little bit more often, get haircuts more often. Yeah, man. Well, so with that said, so how often would you say someone should get tested for that? Because how do you keep that there and know that? Because that's kind of a hard thing to do. I'm a very big proponent. You guys already know of blood work. I'm very big on that, right? So I can tell you guys the way that we would. So again, my background is has been in telehealth for years.
29:34Speaker 5The way that we would typically do this is that we would get a baseline blood work on a patient, right? And then let them go for 3 months. Okay? Test them again, see where they're at, and then if everything looked good, then we would just test once every 6 months. Okay. Okay? Me personally,
29:49Speaker 5I actually donate blood and get tested every 4 months. You really? Yeah. Yeah. I like to do that just because I feel better. Yeah. I used to do that around every 90 days, give or take. Yeah, man. It's fantastic. Even every 90 if you do it, like, 12 to 16 weeks, man, that's pretty good. You know? It's just a it's a healthy thing to do because Especially our age, man. Yeah. Yeah, man. Especially because all the all the other stuff that's out there about, like, cholesterol and is it bad? Is it good? So I tell everyone, go, look man, if you're looking at cholesterol, we I think we spoke about this last time. Yeah. But a little bit, so I'll just touch on it really quick and we'll move back to the GH. But the thing is is that we know that if you're eating more protein,
30:25Speaker 5as we're aging, if you're working out, whatever it is, you might have quote unquote, right, the bad cholesterol elevated on your LDL,
30:35Speaker 5your HDL, these all look good. Right. And then if you're still worried about it Yeah. Like in Vegas where I live, I have 1 paid a $165 just to go get a quick CT scan of my heart and as clean as a whistle. Right. Even though, on the high side of, like, 2 18 on total and 1 54 in my LDL.
30:49Speaker 4Well, that's why it's important to have your blood work ran by someone that knows what they're talking about. Because if you just look at a number, if you're just going off a number, here, put on get on a statin. No. It's all these other things that are affected by each other. Yeah, man. And which ones are out of sync. It's not just the LDL. Absolutely. Right? But that's what a lot of
31:06Speaker 5will look at. That's it. To your point, JD, and I love that you brought this up because this is something that I try to always drive home with people, right, is I go, look, there's suboptimal,
31:18Speaker 5in range, and I'm just gonna be point blank because I know our audience here. So in range just literally means, hey, you're alive and you can keep paying your insurance premiums. We don't care if you feel like shit. You're average American. What do do we know about American health? Yeah. We're like What do we know? You're in range. Not good. Oh, you have 3 50 on your total test as a as a 40 year old man? You're fine. Go along. You're good. Yeah. You're good. Get out of here. You don't even need free tests, though. Care. Yeah. Like, so there's suboptimal. There's in range, but then there's optimal. Yep. Right? So the beauty of this whole world of wellness that that we're in and and blessed to be part of is how do we look at that and go, okay. How do I get this person optimized? Sure. What does that even mean to be optimized? And then what's the plan to get them there in the next 12 to 16 weeks typically is the range that we wanna work in. Right? So that's where all that comes into play. That's cool. Well, it's so deep too because what,
32:08Speaker 4you know, peptides are great, compounds that, you know, supplements are great, but like like Will and I talk about it a lot because it's obviously the base of everything, which is diet,
32:17Speaker 4good sleep. Yeah. Nobody talks about sleep. Like, if you don't sleep, your cortisol's up and you can't lose fat. Yep. Like, nobody talks about that. Like, these things are so to be optimized means
32:28Speaker 4it's gonna take some time to figure it out if you're not healthy. Yeah. And you have to have somebody that's knows what they're talking about because, like, you go to an MD, they don't know shit. Sorry. Unfortunately.
32:38Speaker 5Most of You know what? And and and I work with so many doctors. Right? And I and I speak for these doctor network groups, and I get to hear what they're what they're being taught and and what it looks like. Right?
32:48Speaker 5The thing is is that a lot of times, they're they're being taught, here's a protocol. Sure. Use this. Right. Hey, patient A's got this issue. Here's a protocol for that. Patient B has that issue. Here's a protocol for that. Right? So I get it. They're not doing- 1 size fits all. Exactly. They're not doing a great job in medical school to actually go, Hey, this is what's out there. Because when we look at the issues that a human being has, it becomes signaling issues.
33:13Speaker 6is this gonna hit, and then how can we actually fix that? Right. Right? So that's what it comes down to. Like, skating to the puck instead of, like you know what I mean? Like Exactly. Seeing what's going My my original question, like, a while ago, but I forgot it while I was asked. Sorry. Were asking why? No. No. It's fine. Is
33:27Speaker 6is Ipamorelin also activates stimulates your your ghrelin? How come Ipamorelin doesn't is not notorious for increasing hunger?
33:34Speaker 5Because it's not too strong. It's just not it's a weak peptide. It's very, very weak. Because on its I saw his piggyback myself. That's exactly why. Yeah, they use it as as a as like a supplement too. Right? So so let's talk about this in order just real quick. When it comes to so we spoke about HGH, which is essentially gonna override your own natural growth hormone. Right? That's what you're doing with that 1, with the 191 amino acid sequence. When it comes to the growth hormone releasing peptides and strength, let's talk about that. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely.
34:02Speaker 4is gonna be the king of all peptides. Wow. I knew I know that you we know you like this around, but I wouldn't thought you would have said CJC. I didn't know it'd be the strongest.
34:15Speaker 5the thing about it is, and the reason why I like it so much is that, yes, it can be on the more aggressive side of the growth hormone releasing peptides. Right? Meaning what? So meaning that if you want to
34:30Speaker 5Sermorelin is typically where people go to. Also because it's got that FDA approval, doctors can write a script to it. Right? And it's not as aggressive or strong as Tesamorelin is. But I always tell someone, go, if you're gonna look at at Sermorelin, why don't you look at Tesamorelin?
34:46Speaker 5IGF benefits. But then also with Tesamorelin, it actually got FDA approval. Yeah, FDA approval to get into the visceral adipose tissue of the abdomen, your your belly fat, and remove the triglycerides and the LDLs from your fat cells, making you leaner while it's bringing up your IGF levels. So now you're gonna get leaner, targeted leaner, and you're gonna be able to get more lean muscle mass in addition to better sleep and rest and recovery. So Tesamorelin,
35:11Speaker 5then I'd go to CJC- Wow. 12.95 -That's more than before CJC. Yeah, because you know why? The way that it works. So Tesamorelin
35:25Speaker 5It that's where it's raising your IGF levels at. So you get a quicker hit with it. Okay?
35:30Speaker 5And then it depends on if you get it with DAC or no DAC. Right? So we know that with DAC, it's gonna extend it. You can take it maybe once or twice a week. Yeah. With no DAC, you're gonna take that the same as the other ones, 5 days on, 2 days off. The point there is to
35:44Speaker 6you always wanna try to mimic what our body does naturally. Correct. Right? And so the point with no DAC is it shortens it because our body pulses growth several times, 6 times a day or so. So
35:54Speaker 6you wanna try to mimic that. Yep, exactly. Nailed it, man. No DAC, so it's faster. And
36:05Speaker 5opened them. Yeah. There's no pulse. There's just Here you go. Make make make Hammer the system. Yeah. Hammer the system. No. But you know what though? To to your point, and thank you for saying that, Will, the thing is is that what I like about MK so much, right, is that it's versatile. And what do I mean by that? And I'm gonna say something that a lot of folks maybe didn't ever think about, but
36:24Speaker 5my oh god. I almost said my mom's age. I'm just gonna say my mom is is in her seventies. Right? So
36:32Speaker 5and and what do we know about ladies as as they're aging is that their bone density is an issue. Right?
36:48Speaker 5she's like, Hey, I would really like to be able to do something about my bone strength, this, that. But if she increases dairy, it messes up her cholesterol, all these other things. So I go, Hey mom, 10 mg of MK-seven. I'm gonna give my mom MK-six hundred. Honestly, it's so crazy. I haven't thought about that. Like, my mom's problem is, well, she's like lean and buff and she's like 85. Yeah, God bless her. And still,
37:10Speaker 6so the folks, she'll like call me in the middle of winter. She's like, yep, I'm in the RV with the dog
37:15Speaker 6on the mountain pass in Colorado. What the hell are you doing? Why are you doing this? She's like, I'm a 2 week long camping trip with just me and the dog in I my love that type of club. That's amazing. That's why she's still young. She's still young, but her problem is she doesn't eat enough food. She's just coffee,
37:32Speaker 6and goat, and has a little, some nuts that eat food, and she's had some major stomach issues, basically like frozen gut. She doesn't eat enough food. MK- Literally, I had to fly home because she was like, I don't know, the doctor said something was wrong with her. Yeah. Her stomach, my sister didn't even know. We took her out with the doctors like, I don't really, you don't really know something, but her stomach was excruciating pain. We literally went to the weed Yeah.
38:00Speaker 5Crazy. If you give your mom 10 mg a night, right, of MK-six 77, watch everything change for her. Bone density goes up, IGF levels are up. She's gonna be even
38:09Speaker 5buffer too, right? And she's gonna be eating. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, right on. Thank you. I did wanna touch on
38:48Speaker 5of Tessa Ipam or CGC Ipam. So you see, like, the the 5 and 5, for example. Yeah. The 1 to to 5 and 5. So let's talk about it. So so, essentially, the and and let's go back to the doses of of the typical doses of of tesamorelin,
39:12Speaker 5the the medical low. Which is still pretty low because we know that the medical dose for for folks that are fighting off
39:19Speaker 5the the issues that with the crystallization of the belly fat from from HIV patients, right, they were going up to 2 mg. Right? But for healthy people, 0.5 a milligram is typically enough. I'll tell you guys just 1 quick story anecdotally. I went up to 1 mg 1 time, and I became a water buffalo. I don't recommend it. Really? Yeah, dude. I don't I don't recommend it. I was like, what is happening right now? So 0.5 a milligram is more than enough. Right?
39:41Speaker 5Typically, with Sermorelin, if you are in the neighborhood of 2 to 300 mics, right, same same timing, right, that's gonna be great for you. You know, I would never go up over 0.5 a milligram, but 0.5 mg pushing a little bit with Sermorelin.
39:55Speaker 5usually 300 mics is where you wanna be. That's like the sweet spot that people really like. And then with Ipamorelin,
40:01Speaker 5usually that same 2 to 300 mics is is where you wanna be as well. And when you mix those together to your point, well, when you have the blends and the reason why you see the blends at, like, 10 or 5 and 3 or 10 and 2 or 10 and 5 or even 5 and 5 sometimes. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's a big 1 where I see 5 and 5 with CJC.
40:24Speaker 5And what I would tell people right there is I go, hey, man. Get 300 mics of CJC in. Get 300 mics of of Ipamorelin.
40:30Speaker 5That's a fantastic combination. That's where they mix it at that level Mhmm. Because you're gonna get a really great result out of that for the for the athlete. Right? When it comes to Tesamorelin and and Ipamorelin,
40:40Speaker 5it's typically like that 10 and 2 or sometimes even 10 and 5, 10 and 3 is what I've seen. And you wanna make sure that what you're doing is you're you're getting your 0.5 a milligram of Tessa. Mhmm. And then you're, by default, gonna get enough of the Ipamorelin anyways, that 203 hundred mic. The reason why is because, again, you don't need to go that high on on Ipamorelin by any means. You know, you keep that 300 mic range, you're golden. Because I would know, women women tend
41:04Speaker 6to a little bit of this stuff affects them. Yeah. Okay. And water retention is the biggest biggest problem, right, that we see.
41:28Speaker 5everybody's different. To your point, and you're bringing up women 2 different peptides. Oh. You're bringing up women, and and to your point, you're absolutely right. The thing is is that typically, not all the time, but typically,
41:38Speaker 5women are smaller human beings. Sure. So any smaller human being, right, is gonna feel something typically more. So, like, maybe you can take a bigger dose than I can. Yeah. Right? So seriously,
41:49Speaker 5so that's gonna be the biggest difference. And that's what I would also see, not to get us off topic, but what I would see, especially when I was patient care director for telehealth,
42:05Speaker 5all that stuff, it was typically women. And then who else? Smaller guys. Yeah. Right. Just smaller human beings. Why? Because there's not enough of them for the peptide to go through. And that's why also I'm always
42:23Speaker 5it, they can get nausea, they can get the niacin flush. They go, Oh my gosh, what's happening? It's not an actual niacin flush. I'm just using that as an example. If you've ever had a niacin flush, it can feel like that. So I always tell everyone, if it's your 1st time with any peptide growth hormone relief, whatever it is, sit down. Sit down, please, just to be safe and then and then administer it because God forbid, we don't want you to fall out. Right? Because that can happen. Sure. And out of, man, out of 250000
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44:33Speaker 5the activity of that is. Right? So out of 250000 people, 2 times that I that I know. So how about sleep? We have heard, you know, JD and I touch a lot of peep
44:41Speaker 4well, we actually touch a lot of people. But yes, we hear back a lot of people and people have been telling us, Hey, I started taking the Tesa and I couldn't sleep. Oh, and they couldn't sleep? Couldn't sleep. Yep. Which is how it reasons it does say that because that happened to me and then I never really picked up on that that 1 could be it. It It was multiple things for me, so I can't really peg it as but it was
45:04Speaker 6happening. What do you think? Seems to be if you just kind of push through that, keep going through it, your body will
45:12Speaker 5you know why that occurs? So sometimes so, again, when you start to raise your IGF levels, right, your growth hormone, your body's going, hey, this is something new for me, right, that I don't know or this is interesting for me. This is something out of the ordinary. Right? I take that back when I say I don't know, guys, because when I say that, that's actually wrong. With peptides,
45:32Speaker 5your body does know these signaling molecules. It goes, Oh, this is more of what I'm already creating, so I'm gonna use this. Sure. So what I'm saying when it comes to the IGF levels being raised
45:42Speaker 5and then you go, hey, man, I couldn't sleep or it kind of threw my sleep off, that's your body starting to get regulated. Sure. Okay, it's trying to regulate itself, so it's going like, hey, this is kind of weird for me. Because 1 of the things that can happen when we raise our GH levels, right, is water retention like crazy, carpal tunnel like effects as well. Sleep can be thrown off also. So those are the things to look out for. But what does that also mean? Just as It's working. Exactly. Yeah. Ding. Ding. Ding. That's how it's I go, you know, it's working for you. Who do that? Ways to mitigate that, okay, or or ways that you can get through it like you were saying, and you don't wanna have to suffer and take it at night, flip it. Take it in the morning. For sure. Sure. You know, take it in the morning until a little bit of time goes on, then you go, wait a 2nd. I'm starting to sleep like I'm dead. So this is working. Maybe let me switch it back to the nighttime. So same thing. And, again, the reason why we say that, and I know I said a little bit earlier, but you wanna take these at night because it's gonna amplify your own natural GH pulsing. Yeah. So you wanna amplify that wave that's hitting you. Okay. So have
46:37Speaker 4guys that are fairly fit. Okay, let's say a guy that's on the journey, he's done some GOP-three, he's looking good, he's working out, he's doing pretty good for himself now. Yep.
46:51Speaker 4too much? You have, let's say, because we're big advocates of HGH. We love it. I love HGH personally.
47:10Speaker 4isn't going to really- Too much. Yeah. Because you already got the HGH. So like, do you think it's, you know, we've kind of changed over time just studying and learning and whatnot where we were saying HGH in the morning and then a secret a gog at night. But now I can't, I won't speak for will,
47:27Speaker 5kind of leaned towards, we don't think that the secret a gog is doing as much as we once thought. Yep. You're your thought. You're absolutely right. Because pull out a security guard because of that. You're you're absolutely right, man. Because if you're gonna do HGH, stick with the HGH. Yeah. You're good. Yeah. You're good. And the thing is is that the reason why I brought up specifically where I said 1 to 2 IUs is because that is actually for wellness. Right? You're not abusing it. You're just doing it for longevity. You're feeling good. You're looking good. You're gaining lean muscle tissue. You're dropping body fat. All that's good. 1 of the things that you guys had asked me
47:57Speaker 5before I came on the show was you said, hey. What is the closest way that we can get to an anabolic stack? Right? So since we're talking about HGH, I just wanna bring that up. Right? Let's do it. So the closest thing that we can do and and it's the closest peptide stack that I could come up with that's gonna be anabolic like Get your pen, people. Yeah.
48:14Speaker 5without but still not steroids. Right? But still not the anabolic steroids. Fall short. Yeah. Still fall short. But but pretty you'll feel great. Right? So that is with the HGH at that, like, 1 or 2 IUs. Right? Sure. I personally prefer it in the morning. Me too. And then you could do IGF LR3, you could do it post workout as I mentioned, as as Will mentioned, I'm sorry, or even beforehand with your carbs
48:44Speaker 5That's gonna make you feel great. Okay? As close to anabolic as we can get. Hey, so why is HGH illegal?
48:51Speaker 6So, like, seriously. It's not illegal. Oh, yeah. So it's not illegal. It's not illegal. Oh, it's not like a narcotic heroin. Right. Right. Right. But, like, why is it, prescription
49:02Speaker 5Period, Doug. It's a Krego. So, Brando, it's a Creagog. It's just great question. 1 and 2 I use and, like, how real is the is the adverse effect The adverse effect. On it? Like, because I
49:11Speaker 5don't know. These are fair questions. So it's so do you know what that's like? The the way that that I can kind of put a similarity to it is is it's like saying why is testosterone
49:25Speaker 6I can see how that can go bad easier and faster than low dose HGH. Like, is the shutdown risk? Like, for testosterone cool, I know, yeah, it's shutting your testes down pretty pretty decently fast, but like HGH, even 1 to 2 IUs is not really shutting the HGH. It's not really decreasing your insulin sensitivity. Yeah. Do you Like, is there a real danger? I mean I get what you're saying a 100%. So I would say that the real danger comes into play if people go past that. Right? Of course. So the thing is is, like, what can really happen for that? Okay.
50:01Speaker 5really bad, right? Then you can also pressure goes the yeah, which in turn, and then it could be a bad thing. What's the other thing that can happen that I'm leaving out?
50:09Speaker 5Carpal tunnel syndromes, right? So I'm gonna give you guys an example. This bodybuilder, the Shell remain nameless. He was in classic physique.
50:28Speaker 5blows up ankles, everything's swollen. He has to literally walk on a treadmill for 4 hours just to get that water retention to come down. Right? So I agree with you because it's also saying like, okay, with testosterone- That's from the HGH? That's from the HGH. Yep. Because because of water retention. What's a lot? What's megadosing? Yeah. I mean, I I was How many guys would do it? Like 6 to 8. 0, okay. 6 to 8. You're tell me 20 or something. No. No. It's because he was getting the real stuff, but, like, the the Chinese Yeah. Gray tops, this, that, that,
50:55Speaker 5stuff could be 10 to 20, and I've heard that all day. Right? But he his was like, I go and then he's just like, dude, I can't move my hands. Like, it it can happen. Right? But I agree with you. It's the same thing as testosterone. It's like, if you run at a low dose, it's actually medication that's gonna help you. Hell, yeah. Same thing like
51:09Speaker 5Very low, like, risk if you do it just properly. Forever. And you could do it forever. Dude. Hundred 5250 mg. You stay within that range. Yeah. And then even if you look at the lab work and you stay optimized on your so let's talk about that real quick. Total testosterone should be between 800, 1,200
51:24Speaker 5for males. Okay. Let's go through females. Let's not leave out the ladies. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Ladies, total testosterone should be between 35 and 1 50 depending on her goals. Mhmm.
51:34Speaker 5Free testosterone for a male should be between 2.5 I'm sorry, for males, I'll take that by 20 to 35.
51:44Speaker 5Now, guys, what I also wanna mention for everyone here, as we're talking about blood work and things like that, what's the other 2 things that we need to look at on the lab work that that coincide with testosterone?
51:54Speaker 5It's gonna be yeah, absolutely. A 100%. But also when it comes to and and you're absolutely right about, we wanna keep that within range, right, For guys typically like below 40 and then for women depending on where they're at in their cycle, that's a whole other thing with luteal follicular, all that. But then when it comes to other things that we need to look at to get optimized on testosterone,
52:16Speaker 5and then you have to look and for a male, that needs to be between 3 50 to 4 50. For a female, needs to be between
52:26Speaker 5the sex hormone binding globulin. Right? Absolutely. Guys should be right around 35. Women should be right around 70. Right? So that's in total of of testosterone in and of itself. And I feel like that's something that we don't talk enough about. We just talk about total and sometimes free, but we we
52:40Speaker 5we neglect sell them free. Yeah, man. We we neglect DHA, and that's a $25 fix off of Amazon that you can just get and fix your free test like Now,
52:55Speaker 5So, okay, when it comes to SHBG, let's say that So I'm gonna actually give you guys a case study just real quick.
53:01Speaker 5Got a guy years ago. His total test was at 1000. So I'm like, beautiful. You look great. Fantastic. Was dead. His free was at 11. Yeah. And then you go, so then what do I look at? Can't use anything. Well, then I gotta go and look at, right, your DHEA. Sure. And then I gotta go and look at your SHBG. Well, what happened? DHEA is super low, SHBG is super high. Because what's going on and why we use DHEA in the optimization world, right, is we're using it because it's gonna go into the bloodstream and it's gonna help to free up the bound testosterone so that what? So that SHBG
53:35Speaker 5what it's doing. So basically, that's why you gotta look at all those things and go, okay, well, why is your libido tanked? Oh, because your DHA is low, your free test is low, your SHBG has been backed up, and now you're at like 6 or something Yeah.
53:47Speaker 5Yeah. How do you do that? 20 25 typically, 25 mg pill of of, pregnenolone and DHA that you can get off of anywhere.
53:54Speaker 5Yeah. Take that once a the only downside to that is that if you are a guy like me that could be prone to male pattern baldness Yeah. It's gonna raise that DHT level, so just be careful with it. Right? Because I started to notice when I was supplementing with DHT, go, man, that's a lot more hair in the drain than I'm used to after that shower. So just things that'd be cognizant of. Right? But it will literally fix that issue very, very quickly. Within
54:18Speaker 5literally 8 to 12 weeks, you'll see those lab markers switch up. I know we're talking about GH. I get I get it You know, we sell us. Everybody loves this stuff. It's interesting. I would've thought the free test, you would've thought a little bit higher, but, man, you see some people Oh, 20 to 35 think about higher. Say 45 is where my sweet spot is. So you know why? It's because what what we did in the, what I'll what I'll call the telehealth community, right, is that we would look at it and go, okay,
54:42Speaker 5for this person to be at for blood for their blood pressure, for hypertension, right, to not be a factor? Right? Because what happens when you have too much free test? Mhmm. It your blood gets slow and sluggish, and it's gonna lead to nasty things, hypertension, all kinds of other bad stuff that you don't wanna happen to kidneys,
54:59Speaker 5especially too. So that's why we look at and we go, okay, let's keep it in this sweet spot. Yeah. That's why. Yeah. But everyone is different again. And kind of like how you feel. Exactly. Strength is good. Yep. Your clarity,
55:11Speaker 4Just vigor in general. That's free testosterone. Like everybody talks about total testosterone,
55:17Speaker 5but And that's the big difference. The way that I explained total and free is I go, look, think about
55:23Speaker 5free testosterone as it's cash in hand. Yeah. Right? It's cash in your pocket. You're gonna go to the store. You're gonna buy stuff with it. You're it's readily available. You're using it. What are you using? Think about your total test as cash in the bank. Don't mind. That's your equity. It's
55:34Speaker 5just sitting there. It's bound up. Yeah. That's it, man. The bank wasn't it out. Yeah. Absolutely.
55:41Speaker 6Talk to tell what what are your thoughts on well, there's circulating rumors, night rumors, but everybody's Yep. Using
56:16Speaker 6100. That's 1000 micrograms times 100 is a 1000. Big ass difference, dude. What did Jay say about it? I
56:23Speaker 4think he was saying he was running more than a 100. I think- No, he was doing something like 203
56:33Speaker 6I didn't feel it. Frankly, oh shit, they, I mean, they had like Pedro's in there with the wife meter on. Yep, yep. Sorry. Were you allowed to say that? The wife loved The wife loved it. There you go. They are definitely hot. It's increasing your it is. For sure. It's increasing body temp
56:54Speaker 6Too much. Was in there was like, all these days that I'm cold, I know what to just take.
57:04Speaker 5And right before the show, I sent you guys, like, I think 2 or 3 different studies on it. Feel free to share that and post it, whatever you guys can do, So that people know, like, what we're referencing when I say the studies are there. So the studies that 1 of the studies that was like the core group of it was where they took mice and they actually gave the mice 100 mg, which you guys are talking about. That's right. Yeah. Right? So what we saw with that was that there's a shift toward,
57:29Speaker 5oxidative muscle fibers. Okay? Then we start to see increased endurance, again, all in mice. Okay? So the things that you'll see is the energy expenditure,
57:51Speaker 5state or an aerobic state. Right? So what it's doing is putting your body into an aerobic state. So your body thinks it's constantly working out when you're just sitting there. So that's the cool part about it.
58:03Speaker 5The studies keep creeping up a lot. So just as you guys said, I started with 250 mics and I go, okay. I don't know. I don't get the hype. Yeah. Now I'm at a milligram, right, last night I was on it, and it seems to be doing its thing. But the thing is is that what else was I doing with it? 5 m 1 m q. Oh, sure. Right? So I'm like, maybe, you know, endurance. I don't know, but 5 m 1 m q is bringing up my NAD plus naturally.
58:26Speaker 5I'm very curious, and I'm gonna take it myself to see what the hundred milligrams, 200 mg does. And if Jay was talking about it too, I'm I'm definitely curious about it. He's gonna hope for it. Yeah. I'm I'm all about it because the the thing is is that when we
58:42Speaker 5to all of these wonderful things for endurance and how we can use it, it's gonna be phenomenal. And then studies keep going up. I've been even hearing about a 200 mg pill coming out, you know? Like where does it end? Where does it end? What
59:01Speaker 5think there is a difference? Love that question because the studies that they did was actually 100 mg injectable. Oh, okay. Yep. It was 100 mg injectable. Things that I do just wanna say because I'm I'm I gotta be the wet blanket again. Sorry, guys. Things to look out for when you're when you're running because we also we don't know what those higher doses are are gonna do. So just pay attention to your insulin levels, your glucose, pay attention to the lipid panel, your liver enzymes. Just do the blood work, guys. That's it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Myself included, audience included. That's why I just bring it up. Yeah, man. Everybody. Yeah, I got a question for you, kind of a different direction here. Excuse me, we talked before on camera a little bit about cancer and stuff like that. For sure. You've studied it and stuff. Okay. What is your opinion on like fasting through cancer? Because I've studied it quite a bit in regards to, because cancer is such a big thing.
59:50Speaker 5And I've just read a lot about people beating cancer through fasting, like a 25 day fast. When I say that to some people, they're like, what? But you're starving the glucose. Do you what do you know anything? None of that's 100% accurate. Because what's the 1st thing that the doctors are gonna do if you've ever had so for example, if you ever had a heart attack or you get diagnosed with cancer, the 1st thing they're gonna do is they're gonna cut your carbs. True. They're gonna cut out red meat. Yeah. They're gonna go, hey, don't do any of that. This is all you need to do for now. Right? So they almost especially for,
1:00:17Speaker 5the guys that have had heart attacks because of their their bad cholesterol was too high. They weren't taking care of themselves. Right? Everything else was out of whack, their trigs and HGL. They're gonna go, hey, no more red meat. Just basically go to a vegan diet. Right? Same type of thing is what's gonna happen when it comes to, the big c word. Right? The reason why is because just as you said, it feeds off of sugar, off of glucose. Yep. So you take that away, where's its energy source? Yeah. What's it gonna do? Dies out. Yeah. And it does die out. Exactly. And that's that's you what got to look at now. Which God, there was more like that was out there a lot more. That's just I believe if we
1:00:58Speaker 4depending on the cancer. Sure. By just fasting, now you could do a 25 day fast if your life depended on it. Absolutely. And if you could literally starve that of the glucose, you literally could literally get rid of the cancer. Absolutely.
1:01:11Speaker 5Nobody talks about it. So, you know, to your point, because you just said something that I that I really like that you said God knows what he's doing. Why is it that all major faiths have us fasting from time to time? There's a reason. There's always been around. Right? Exactly. So it's not just for if you want to go, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna fast this today. I'm gonna fast my breakfast. Give that to God. Right? So there there's there's reasons for that, and these are some of the reasons that that you're speaking about. Yeah, man. The thing is is thank you for the Yeah. 100%. The thing that I was gonna also mention is that
1:01:40Speaker 5what we were talking about actually in the truck, right, we were talking about angiogenesis,
1:01:47Speaker 5and how that works specifically. And again, I'm sorry, I'm getting us off topic of GH, I'm talking about BPC. So
1:01:54Speaker 5so 1 of the things that kept coming up at at the last conference that I spoke at, right, which was filled with plastic surgeons and orthopedics.
1:02:09Speaker 5Right? So 1 of the things that keeps coming up is angiogenesis and and BPC. Okay? And the studies that are out there, and those are the studies that I just sent you guys before, so feel free to share that, please. So in the studies that are out there in rat models, what they did in the studies was they gave the rat a tumor and then they gave the rat the same rat with the tumor, they gave it a wound.
1:02:37Speaker 5as opposed to the- I have read Sorry. Please. Go to the Bronx. I read this I read this study a couple of weeks back. Okay. And it was like the new development of like, why?
1:02:49Speaker 6is pushing Yeah, it's cool. Because angiogenesis, new blood cell, blood vessels, right? Cancer
1:02:56Speaker 5needs food and needs blood and wants all that stuff, and that's what helps grow things, right? Well, BPC is signaling- He does. He's only to wounds and not to cancer. That's it for wound healing, man. And the thing is is Ike. Thank you for saying I bro, where's this new improved version of Will been all my life? I love this. This is fantastic. The baby faced Will came from faced Will. Absolutely, man. He's getting younger. He's just off. I love this, bro. Thank you. Because the thing is is that you're absolutely right. We actually watch that study and you go, wait a 2nd. So the other thing that I was mentioned to to JD in in the truck was I go I go, you know what? The thing is is what the doctors are afraid of is that they're afraid of, and rightfully so, God bless them, they're afraid of the chaotic angiogenesis,
1:03:37Speaker 5which creates the cancer. Right? It's uncontrollable. We don't know what's going on. And I go, guys, when you look at the models and you go, hey, every single time, the angiogenesis is occurring in wound healing. And then you also have to think, you go, how often do we do BPC because of the shortest 0.5 life? We're doing it every single day. Yeah. So it's not like it's gonna be a long lasting angiogenesis. It goes in and out, in and out, in and out. So that's why I'm never going to be able to say without, obviously all of the human studies out there and da da da. I'm not gonna be able to go, Hey, beyond a shadow of a doubt, we don't have to worry about it. We can't say that. But I would say that it's leaning towards us being able to see and the studies are showing us that it's not going to be as big of a risk as we once thought before.
1:04:23Speaker 4Well, it's kind of like, what's the risk to the reward? You know, like, we could talk about what ifs forever. Like, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if-
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1:06:10Speaker 5Absolutely. Have a torn you have any tendonitis? Doc, let's try this. Absolutely. Come back to me tomorrow. You know what mean? I wanted to I wanted to give you guys also and the audience a couple of other protocols
1:06:20Speaker 5that that they could do. Right? That they can do with with GH peptides. Okay? Yep. So so I already went through 1 of the 1st ones, which was the lean muscle recovery with HGH 2 IU, then we do IGF LR3 between 20 to 40 mics. And when I say mics, guys, that just means micrograms, MCG. Okay?
1:06:39Speaker 5And then the Wolverine. Okay? So then the next 1 that I wanted to bring up that that I also really like that that Will was talking about before was Tesamorelin,
1:06:48Speaker 5with also you could bring in IGF LR3 with that 1 too. Yep. Okay? That one's gonna be the GH optimization
1:07:19Speaker 5Hey, dealer's choice on that 1. Right? Dealer's choice. Bring that in, and then you could bring in something like AOD-96zero
1:07:27Speaker 54 with it. Ba ba boom. You know, I really like that 1 because that's a HGH fragment they were talking about to keep us on the GH for today.
1:07:34Speaker 5The next 1 for endurance and performance. Okay, I'd still bring in SLU-3. Yeah. Okay, I really like that.
1:07:53Speaker 5I'd bring in both of those. Okay? And Do you start with do you recommend people start with SS-31and
1:08:02Speaker 5And you can, especially if you're doing it for mitochondrial health in that order, right?
1:08:07Speaker 5The thing is, is that how Okay, so let's talk about how MOTS-1.5 works versus SS-31. Okay. SS-31
1:08:14Speaker 5has been FDA approved for Barth syndrome, which is a very specific heart issue, right, for we were using it for patients with congestive heart failure more than anything. Right? So that's what it got FDA approval for under and I'm gonna butcher it, guys. Fact check me. It's under the name of olamprotide.
1:08:31Speaker 5I don't have it in front of me. Could read it, but it's not in front. But you guys can see it, and that's what it got FDA approval for. Now,
1:08:42Speaker 5of smooth muscle. But what's smooth muscle? Your heart, your wife's kidneys that we're talking about. That's why as soon as I hear the word kidney, I go, hey, let's do SS 31. Sure. Right? So then when you when you repair that mitochondria,
1:08:54Speaker 5right, and you wanna bring in MOTS-three, well, why do we even wanna bring in MOTS-three? Well, what MOTS-three is gonna do is it's going to and and it's very, very effective for the for the competitors
1:09:03Speaker 5that I I don't know if it was on camera or off camera, but we're talking about it, and I said, you know those competitors that have fried their metabolism because they ate, like, 500 calories a day and did 2 hours of cardio? Right? So MOTS-three is working wonders for them. Why? Because it will go into the actual DNA of the mitochondria
1:09:24Speaker 5It basically goes in, and it will repair any damage. So so what is that doing? Metabolic damage. If people got metabolic damage, do you bring that in? So the studies are there. You are correct, JD, to your point. SS-31D,
1:09:37Speaker 5And that's that's 1 that I do for the performance and endurance, right, protocol. So that was SLU-1.0,
1:09:45Speaker 5And then MOTS-seven typically, if and I'm gonna be very specific about this because when I was at the largest telehealth clinic in the country, the way that we would do that, and I'm gonna be very, very specific on this, guys, we did a loading and a maintenance phase for those guys and girls that had metabolic damage. So what does that mean? So follow me on this.
1:10:12Speaker 5a week. So that is a full vial of MOTS-3x. And then people go, Well, do I still need to mix it with 2 ml? No, guys, you don't. You can do 1. Go for it because you're gonna take the whole thing. So you're gonna do you're essentially doing 30 mg
1:10:24Speaker 5every single week for 4 weeks. Then after that, you would go to 10 mg a week, and you could do the 10 in 1, you know, 1 shot or go 5 and 5, however you wanna do it. Oh, really well. And keep that going. Okay. Right? But that's how we would do it for folks with the metabolic damage, wanting to speed up their their, metabolism, get it fired up again because it's it's going into the mitochondria and firing it up, right, the the powerhouse of every living cell. So so did you get, complaints
1:11:06Speaker 5issue, the 5 mg, a lot of people would say, Ugh, I feel kind of like hypertensive, almost like
1:11:11Speaker 5it took pre workout. Yep. And now I but I can't work it off. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So That's an interesting 1. So anyway, I'm just curious. No, I'm actually I haven't heard it. Haven't had those. No. What I would hear a lot is I feel hot. Yeah. Oh, man. I feel so hot after I'm taking that. And I go, well, that's great. I'm glad your metabolism's working out. You know? But that that was a major complaint that I would hear was that they would feel hot or, unfortunately, and I'm actually 1 of those people, I get a horrible histamine reaction to it. Horrible,
1:11:38Speaker 5horrible histamine reaction. So so also to that point, when I'm bringing up histamine reactions, guys, with with peptides, it's not unusual to to feel that way. So 1 of the things that you can do, right, 1 of the things that you can do,
1:11:58Speaker 6Right? And also not just Benadryl, Dessert, Claritine, whatever you want. Right? Xyzal. That's my favorite. I take a Xyzal every other day because I live with a cat.
1:12:08Speaker 5So there you go. So take an oral antihistamine or a topical antihistamine before you inject. Right? That'll that'll usually solve that.
1:12:16Speaker 5That's with MOTS-seed, and and I'm 1 of those folks myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But great point.
1:12:20Speaker 6I wanna hear about NAD doses. Oh, okay. We just talked about NAD. It's funny, like, everything that we talk about, did pip during the week. Right? Yeah. So we
1:12:30Speaker 6already know a lot, but we really dive into it, And it literally makes me want to do more of whatever we talk about. And it tastes fantastic. That shit's cool, man. It is amazing.
1:12:40Speaker 5For longevity, it's amazing. It gets lumped in with peptides. It's a Cohen's. I have to say I just say that, guys, because remember, I'm out there, you know, speaking in conferences. I'm speaking with doctors, so forgive me for the nerdiness of trying to, you know, clean myself up all the time. Usually not a peptide. I know, dude. Feel that on my
1:12:56Speaker 5I'm that guy. I know, and I'm like, I I I hate myself low key for these things, but I have to do it. Right? So the thing is is So do you think dosage? Yeah. So just so you guys also understand, when it comes to the dosages of all these these peptides that I'm talking about, so that folks know that I'm not just like picking it out of thin air or that, like, I just sat down and read something and I'm I'm regurgitating it. Study guide. I I the thing is is that when I worked at these these very, very large clinics, right, we would have to develop and you guys have seen it. I've I've pulled back the the curtain for the wizard of the wizard of Oz here. We we would create what's called SOAP notes. Right? The SOAP notes subjective,
1:13:30Speaker 5objective assessment plan, right, for every single patient. So it would speak about dosing timing frequency. And I've always
1:13:38Speaker 5maintained those SOAP notes so I could go back to them and look at them and then see what new data's coming out. So that's where my dosing timing frequency comes up, right? And I just want the audience to understand that.
1:13:47Speaker 5And that was always written by doctors for years, and it was before these peptides went on the do not compound list. So we were able to get them from the 5 0 3 compounding right? And we could write a doctor's prescription to them. So that's where my dosing, timing, frequency and everything comes from. So when it comes to NAD,
1:14:05Speaker 5NAD typically, the way that we would dose it was we would say, don't wanna go over in a
1:14:19Speaker 5in a week's time. 5 to 7 days. So if you go 50 mg, right, 4 times a week, cool. You wanna do 25 mg daily? Go for it. So that's typically the sweet spot is about 200 mg a week. Right? Yeah. But like I said, you're such a big guy. Right? You could go for maybe 5 days. Maybe a maybe a bit. But Like, early on Yeah. When I was trying NAD,
1:14:52Speaker 6The tingling started with my feet and hands and rapidly went through. And actually, as soon as it kind of got up, maybe my stomach, my nose, my nasal cavities- then Oh yeah.
1:15:04Speaker 6I remember having my foot in my hand and I had said, was like, oh shit, sit down. And I was paralyzed
1:15:13Speaker 6nothing was responding. Oh yeah. And I was like, and I could not move. Yeah. Like it was overwhelming, like nothing worked on my body. He didn't flex little bit 80 though. And it He didn't flex some muscle for 1 day. I was like, alright, dude. I just better I hope I can yell. If I start falling out, right,
1:15:28Speaker 6better Got for bail. Yell to my friend. I knew he was upstairs, but but luckily, I've done some crazy stuff. Yeah. Been through some weird shit before, so I just You're okay. Yeah. Like, just breathe it out. That's some god. Oh, dude. Just felt that, like, whoo. And then about 20 seconds later, it's You cut ass. You You cut You ass. Like, I mean, if I was a normal person,
1:15:47Speaker 6I would've flipped and gone ape shit. Like, I would've, you know Yeah. Yeah. Called the a, I'm trying to what's good news. If you don't know what's going on. It's not like, oh my god. What's up? What happened? So that happens. No. And you know what? To your point. Right? So I got a funny story for you.
1:16:02Speaker 5So 1 of my really good friends, I'll tell you guys off camera who it was. He's he's he's 1 of my really great friends. He's been nothing but a blessing in my life. Love the dude. And he's a big guy. Okay? And I remember I was at his house, and and he goes, hey, bro. Because I was visiting him. He goes, we're we're gonna go to the gym at, like, I think it's some ungodly hour, like, 04:30 in the morning or something, 05:00. I go, cool. I'll I'll meet you downstairs.
1:16:22Speaker 5And as I go downstairs, I see he's laying on the couch. And I'm like, okay, cool. I go and do my thing. All of a sudden, just pops up and he goes, dude, I think I took, like, like, 500 mgs of NAD by accident. Holy shit. And I go, are you serious? He goes, yeah, dude. He goes, I just kinda, like, knocked out like this, and I just came back. I go, I go, I thought you were just laying there waiting for me so we could go to the gym. Aw.
1:16:45Speaker 5So it can happen. You know, it can happen. Yeah, man. To to even the seasoned veterans, dude. I get it. Also, don't overdose on PT 1 41. Yeah. That's a bad time. Dude, that's a bad time. That's a bad time. That's where,
1:16:57Speaker 6that's where that's where, diarrhea and things like that come into play. Ears get really hot. I've I've heard it all. That's also when the doctor You're gonna have the overdose on any 1 of them. They'll they'll do that 1. Well, we'll do that 1. I mean, do that whenever you have your girlfriend with you Yeah. Too, at least. There you go. Yeah. Because that's 1 of the you always read those commercials that the doctors talk about Viagra or something. If you have an erection that lasts longer than 6 hours or like 18 hours, you don't see a doctor and then that was Like,
1:17:26Speaker 6accidentally filled the bottle with like a MIG or a mil less water than normal. And so So super concentrated. The regular dose Yeah. But didn't so but I did double because I I forgot.
1:17:37Speaker 6Oh, she hated you for that. That was a lie. She's not happy. Yeah. She's not happy. Happy. The
1:17:42Speaker 5walk home from the pool, like, with the with the pet towel. Yeah. There's just not I'm 16 again. Oh, man. So 1 other thing that I did wanna say as caveat when it comes to, growth hormone releasing peptides, right, and GH in general, is that, guys, again, we talk about blood work so many times on here, right? The 1 thing that I'll mention is that
1:18:02Speaker 5if anything's out of whack, please address. Right? Let's just always please address that. Like, if you see your liver
1:18:09Speaker 5kidneys, lipid panel, anything like that that seems out of whack, talk to a professional, look at that, and then think about your growth protocol.
1:18:16Speaker 5Yeah. The thing is, is that if there's any active cancer, tumors, whatever, that's got to be addressed.
1:18:29Speaker 5these peptides are incredibly strong and they work fantastically well. And in my opinion,
1:18:34Speaker 5there's not gonna be anything better than these because the reason why now hear me out, know we can say GLP-1s, all that, but
1:18:41Speaker 5when we look at overall wellness and health, right, you're increasing your lean muscle mass. Yeah. And you're increasing your metabolism and you're burning the body fat. So it's making you really healthy. Not just something to think about. You know, 1 1 thing I wanna mention is Long term. It's huge. Long term. It's a long term. Exactly.
1:18:57Speaker 6burn off all your muscle, your metabolism drops. Yep. Yep. And you don't stay the right weight for long because it'll just come rushing back on a whim if you decide to start eating a little bit more for a couple of weeks. Exactly. But if we can actually keep your muscle mass up. Yep. Cool. If you just really buck, like, you don't have to do any cardio. Right. Muscle just burns all the extra bad crap Damn, you eat it's nice. And the 1 thing that I want the audience to take away from all of this today is that when you look at the GH peptides, there's some that replace
1:19:33Speaker 5that's your Tesamorelin, Semorlin, and then that's HGH on its own. Right? So that's the way that you wanna look at it and think about what your goals are and what you're looking to do. Yeah. That's what it's always gonna come down to. And be healthy, be smart, think about it. And then when it comes to length of all these, right? Because we talked about some dosing, timing, frequency, right? Let's talk about the length. Because quite frankly, I'm gonna be very candid between us and the whole audience here. But HGH,
1:19:59Speaker 5for longevity, you can do it for long term. Let's just be real. You can be on it long term.
1:20:05Speaker 5But Okay? I'm talking that 1 to 2 IU. Right? Sweet spot. And me personally, I like to do that 5 days on, 2 days off. I take the weekends off. Right?
1:20:19Speaker 5But for healthy people, I would always say for insulin sensitivity, just just go for that, you know, 12 to 16 weeks, you know, try to give that a shot.
1:20:30Speaker 5I'd also say that 12 to 16 weeks. IGF LR3 pulse it because remember that's the 1 that's gonna bypass Yeah. And that's the 1 that is going to actually really promote the muscle growth protein synthesis. It's gonna do a lot of really cool things. Go 4 to 6 weeks, come off of it, at least give yourself 0.5 the time off that you were on. So if you went 6 weeks, stay off 3. You know, if you can stay off for 6, even better. And then go back to it. And then for SLU-3P,
1:20:54Speaker 5the best thing that I can say right now is cycle it and don't run it indefinitely because we don't have enough information on it yet. Yeah. So that's because like I said, the the the dose is wide ranging so much. Right? I felt great at at 1 mg, and I would go, oh my god. I was just on this thing for, 6 months. I should probably, like, give it a break. Right? So I'm guilty of it in myself. Really? But when we start to creep up into these bigger doses, that's where I just say, hey, man. Let's let's be smart. For sure. Use your brains, people. Everybody use your brains. Like, we're just throwing these numbers, like, and we're not really just arbitrarily throwing numbers out. Okay. But
1:21:26Speaker 6everybody just needs to do, you know, feel your way out. Start small. Like, less literally is more. I don't really think about that and don't
1:21:34Speaker 6On your pocketbook too. And things at once. You don't know what's working for you, and you can therefore, you can't replicate it in the future. Right?
1:21:45Speaker 5doctors too is when I was speak so the last the last talk that I gave at the conference that I was at in LA was it was actually about,
1:21:53Speaker 5healing and recovery peptides. Right? And some of the things that I would tell them repeatedly
1:21:58Speaker 5start low, go slow. And that could be the mantra for everyone when it comes to Start all this
1:22:05Speaker 5low, go slow. Right. Right? You don't need to jump into the deep end of the pool by any means. Right? That's it. And see what your clinical response is and then titrate upwards slowly when it makes sense. Right? And people go, well, when does it make sense, Paul? Well, it makes sense if you're not getting the desired effect anymore. And you go, oh, you know what? Like, maybe I should titrate up a little bit because I'm not burning fat or whatever's happening. So that's it. Alright. Yep. Yep.
1:22:29Speaker 6We're about out of town, but I do have 1 last request for you. And you, we talked about this before we walked in here is male
1:22:49Speaker 5as 1 of the patient care directors of these clinics that I was at for the telehealth,
1:22:53Speaker 5there was a guy who was young and he was morbidly obese. He was 430 pounds. Okay? And I don't care how tall you are at any height. That's that's a lot of weight to carry. Right? Exactly. So he he had really clinically low testosterone, but he had still luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone. The LH and FSH were still pulsing, so we could see it there. And that's what we gauge fertility off of when we're looking at blood work. Right? So for him, what we what we did was we did 25 mg of n n clomiphene, e n, clomiphene citrate daily.
1:23:27Speaker 5I would do a little bit higher. But I'm gonna tell you what we did for him, but I would for you to go higher.
1:23:32Speaker 5Because if you're really trying to do this the the right way, I'm I'm gonna tell you. Mhmm. In in my opinion from the research and everything that I've seen, but we did 500 IUs of HCG twice a week for him. But now- That's what
1:23:43Speaker 5was gonna say. So that's what the doctors were comfortable writing prescriptions on. Right? Right. But if my good friend Will is really
1:23:49Speaker 5looking to have God's blessing upon him, you know what I mean? Yeah, at least. Well, I was actually gonna go and say, you can even creep that up a little bit to 2,000, but watch your estrogen. Watch your estrogen. Okay. The next thing that you can do, if you can get your hands on it,
1:24:09Speaker 6You can't afford it. Guess what? 75 IUs, guess what? HMG comes in bottles of 75 IUs usually. So that's a bottle. My baby making protocol. So tell me, so how often oh yeah, keep going. Keep going. And how often on the HMG? So HMG
1:24:23Speaker 5every other day. And then like I said, I'd push up that that HCG to either 1000 or 2000 every other Right? Yeah. But be but be careful of the water retention, estrogen, stuff like that, but pay attention to yourself. Right?
1:24:36Speaker 5so there are protocols where people go with clom I don't like Clomid. I'm just gonna put that out there. I don't want Clomid in the pool. I do not like it. People go 50 mg every day. I go, no, go with Enclomiphene
1:24:53Speaker 5That's the 1. Remember when when I was training the group and I and I have Michael Jordan crying? That's that's Clomid. That's 1. Remember that in that slide? I'll I'll reset. That's the 1. So and then just for to clean everything up, I do this year round anyways,
1:25:09Speaker 6Yeah, that's very awesome. Yeah, every day. I just had a glutathione drip on something every night. I had another,
1:25:15Speaker 5like IV therapy nurse come over to my house on Sunday night. And the 1 thing I told you what was in there, glutathione was the other thing. See, that's why his baby face will, bro. That's the gluric ion, I'm telling you. Because you know what, it's the strongest antioxidant that's that's out there that's gonna go around your body, get rid of free radicals and everything else that can create horrible things in us. Right? And it and it's great for hair, skin, nails. It's an incredible detoxifier. I'm always taking them Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So you think every day. That's great. How much are you taking? Dude, I mean, when I take a mil of
1:25:49Speaker 6mg a bottle. But so 1500 mg a bottle. Okay. How much water do you put in there? I believe 6 mils. No, oh yeah, because Okay. It's big
1:26:18Speaker 6high amounts of-two 50 mg. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, you're taking 2 50 mg is what you're doing. So so that's cool. That's absolutely good, bro. Yeah. Absolutely. A week? Yeah. It's probably perfect. Yeah. It's brilliant. With at high doses, which is like 600 mgs daily. That's about the most that you can absorb. Your skin start to go pale. Yeah. And that's the most that you can really absorb is that 4 to 600 really, like, efficiently.
1:26:43Speaker 5Yeah. Like I said, 200 daily, but you can even go 300 every day. 200 daily. Yeah. Damn. And I'm doing 250
1:26:49Speaker 5every. Yeah. So I should good. Yeah. You can up it. You can up it. Alright. Yeah. Just pull back on that plunger a little bit, you know? You know. Never know. Not
1:26:58Speaker 4Man, we love you, brother. We, I wanna close it out by saying thank you. It's finally good to have you here. Yeah, thanks for bringing me out, man. Really appreciate it. You're coming back in May, so maybe we'll do it again. Absolutely. The viewers love it. We love it. We appreciate you talking for hours. Easy peasy.
1:27:14Speaker 5It's my name, Paul Bakhtior. It's b a k h t I a r across all socials. Paul Bakhtior. Mhmm. We'll obviously tag him, and and you'll see him all over. He'll make some appearances in our school. Yeah. Folks that we've made announcements about that.
1:27:32Speaker 6we have direct access to JD and I, we will bounce ideas. We bounce some of your questions off of him for sure. And
1:27:40Speaker 4we're hoping to get him to kind of, you know, pop in there every once in a while. Looking forward to it. So- Love it. Well, even if you're in Vegas, we're gonna pop in, try to do once a week Zoom
1:27:48Speaker 4call. You jump on and- Love it. Meet some of the people that are listeners. They love the Q and A stuff, and we're gonna have a meetup. So we will be doing that here at the warehouse and all's gonna fly out. So it's gonna be good. I'm looking forward to it, man. I wanna see all the Warriors. It's gonna be great. Fun, man. Well, we love you, man. And other than that, we will catch you on the next round.