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0:38Speaker 1Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I am your host JD Dental across the way looking dapper. As always, my buddy,
0:46Speaker 1business partner, and friend, mister Williams. What's up? T Haas. How are doing, buddy? I'm good, man. Good to be How's life? I was like, thanks.
0:54Speaker 1Cool. We had a cool
0:57Speaker 1meeting this morning. That was cool. So life's good. Life is good.
1:01Speaker 2I'm gonna go to
1:04Speaker 2shout out to the Paseya.
1:05Speaker 2Paseya,
1:06Speaker 2we're gonna go bring my- Yeah.
1:09Speaker 2Bring my girl and
1:11Speaker 2stepson.
1:12Speaker 2I can't do it. We just go hang out in the hotel for the night, go in the pool. Yeah. Staycation
1:19Speaker 2a couple of blocks away.
1:21Speaker 3It's a rat hotel, man. It's a rat hotel. So
1:25Speaker 2I don't know. That's going on. Valentine's Day, golf cart.
1:29Speaker 1Valentine's Day, golf cart. We
1:31Speaker 2have a special You have grown up golf cart. I know that.
1:35Speaker 1Special guest today. He is Doctor. Tyler
1:39Speaker 1to you. He is Tyler to us because he's a buddy of ours.
1:43Speaker 1So if we call him Tyler, don't judge us because we know him well.
1:47Speaker 1But he runs Action TRT.
1:50Speaker 1He is in Costa Mesa, California.
1:52Speaker 1He's engulfed in everything that we love, testosterone
1:55Speaker 1replacement
1:56Speaker 1and all the above. So we're gonna dig into that more. I know everybody loves that subject and the questions just keep rolling in on that subject.
2:06Speaker 1I can't believe there's still men out there with testosterone under 300.
2:12Speaker 1Will talk some of that stuff. It's very, very, very common. So we wanna take you guys and shake you. And so anyways, Doctor. Tyler, welcome to the show. Brother. Great to be here. Really impressive,
2:36Speaker 1you know, we call it God's hands for sure. Just kind of putting his hand on this thing, but it's because we talk about subjects that need to be talked about. It's just the truth. Men's health needs to be talked about. I mean, all the above. Finally. All the above. You know, we're going to talk about some testosterone.
2:50Speaker 1Don't want to dive headfirst in, but why don't we?
2:54Speaker 3Why,
2:55Speaker 1in your opinion, you know, in your expert opinion, what is the reason testosterone
2:59Speaker 1levels are so damn low right now? Like it's an epidemic
3:03Speaker 1going on.
3:04Speaker 1I have some firsthand experience,
3:07Speaker 1so does well, just working with so many people
3:10Speaker 1in fitness and getting blood work done. I was blown away. I mean, I'd had like young 30 year olds with super low testosterone. I was blown away about that. Why would you say that is? That's a
3:21Speaker 3good point because as we know, our grandfathers testosterone in
3:27Speaker 3their 50s, 60s, and 70s were still
3:30Speaker 3in 600,
3:31Speaker 3700s according to the literature.
3:34Speaker 3And I would say the 1 answer is environment.
3:39Speaker 3Is
3:41Speaker 3as
3:42Speaker 3much as they're supposed to improve our lives,
3:46Speaker 3they're not improving our health.
3:51Speaker 3Computers,
3:52Speaker 3I mean, just this plastic.
3:54Speaker 3You
3:57Speaker 3notice, you hear stories about farmers and old guys out on farms who don't have all the exposure to the stuff we have
4:06Speaker 3their levels.
4:07Speaker 3Levels are still good. The stuff in our foods,
4:11Speaker 3plastics,
4:13Speaker 3pesticides,
4:14Speaker 3hormones in our food. I mean, I think that we can't blame it on 1 of those things.
4:19Speaker 3A multitude of things. And if someone that happens every time. Why is my why is my testosterone so low? We can't say, there's no lab test to say it's because you have your
4:30Speaker 3iPhone next to your balls or
4:33Speaker 3because
4:34Speaker 3of your pesticides and your food. But you can speculate that it's a multitude of these things. Yeah. When somebody comes in
4:41Speaker 1seeking help that probably, you know, there's people that know about testosterone replacement. A lot of people have no clue about it. So you have a fresh guy coming in with a lot of questions and no knowledge.
4:52Speaker 1What is
4:54Speaker 1your kind of experience with that? What's led them to you and just like take the people that are listening that are like that, that are not on testosterone,
5:04Speaker 1ears are perked up, whether it be this show or whatever has led them to start thinking about testosterone replacement.
5:10Speaker 1Nude guys sitting in your, in your office over 40,
5:13Speaker 3a little overweight and he's tired. What do you, how do you run the, how do how do you handle that? Well, 1st of all, how did he get there? What made him think, Hey, something's off with me? Was it he saw Joe Rogan or he saw a new podcast or a family member said,
5:29Speaker 3Hey, I'm on TRT, man. It's changed my life. Or someone at work is like,
5:35Speaker 3you know, you seem a little sluggish these days. Are you okay? So
5:39Speaker 3how did they get there? Did they Google it?
5:42Speaker 3Low energy and low sex drive. Did someone tell them? So I asked them the 1st thing is like, Hey, like how'd you hear about me? And their answer is different every time. What are some answers?
5:56Speaker 3Brother is on testosterone and said it changed his life and his marriage.
6:03Speaker 3I keep seeing these videos on Instagram about people on TRT and how it's so beneficial and how it's changed. I'd
6:14Speaker 3say the majority of people now have at least heard of it or
6:19Speaker 3know something about it. And then you have your small percentage of people who I've been researching this for 2 years and I finally decided,
6:25Speaker 3okay,
6:26Speaker 3I need to do something about this or at least get my numbers checked.
6:31Speaker 1Yeah. So
6:32Speaker 3I'd say most people
6:35Speaker 3know a little bit about it. The majority know a little bit more, and then there's a subsection who've really done their research and
6:43Speaker 3are like, okay, I've heard enough about it. It's go time. Yeah.
6:47Speaker 2Now what's your So then somebody comes in, like, what's your pro in your clinic, what's your process that you take somebody through? Yeah. From lab tests, blah, blah, What are looking for? So they
6:57Speaker 3schedule a call with someone.
7:00Speaker 3I have a men's health specialist. His name is David. He's fantastic. He's like the epitome of health. They have a call saying,
7:07Speaker 3and David's, What made you schedule this call? Oh, I'm feeling low energy.
7:11Speaker 3My sex drive is slow and my wife says I'm moody.
7:14Speaker 3Or whatever. We find out what's going on with them. The 1st thing we have to do is
7:19Speaker 3lurk laps
7:22Speaker 3and we're not talking, you know, I won't talk about the clinics that don't do this, but we're not new.
7:27Speaker 1Have nothing
7:31Speaker 3else canceled
7:33Speaker 3because I called
7:35Speaker 3a certain clinic
7:38Speaker 3GD, GD
7:40Speaker 3- death health.
7:42Speaker 3You can take But that
7:44Speaker 3yeah, we're not checking just testosterone.
7:48Speaker 3We check total free bioavailable
7:51Speaker 3to sex
7:53Speaker 3hormone binding globulin, albumin.
7:55Speaker 3We do check estrogen, but we'll get into that later. That's a whole nother thing. They were checking A1C,
8:00Speaker 3a complete metabolic panel, PSA to check and see where the prostate is now,
8:06Speaker 3all the thyroid stuff, everything you can imagine
8:09Speaker 3to see, okay, what else do we have going on that could be causing your symptoms? Because
8:15Speaker 3it's not just,
8:16Speaker 3I mean, works in harmony. You can't just treat testosterone and neglect like
8:23Speaker 3your thyroid
8:24Speaker 1or vice versa. Well, that's kind of the problem that we've run into. We talk about it often on here is if you go to like a typical MD,
8:32Speaker 1they will run just testosterone.
8:34Speaker 1Like, what's your free testosterone? I don't see that. Or estrogen or all that stuff like you just said.
8:39Speaker 1I see that every day. Yeah. And it's like such a problem because it's like, you, it's like you took a picture and you're trying to explain the picture and all you see is the corner.
8:47Speaker 3You know what I mean? Then you're trying to like, like explain the picture and you don't see any of it. You know what mean? We have guys who call in and they say, Hey, I'd like to schedule an appointment. I already have my labs done.
8:58Speaker 3My
8:59Speaker 3wife, Laura, who runs the place says, well, what labs do you have? Well, says here testosterone,
9:05Speaker 3hemoglobin and PSA. And
9:09Speaker 3she'll say, well, unfortunately we can't see you yet. We have a lot more to check. And, know, they'll kind of get a little attitude about it. And
9:17Speaker 3usually they call back and say, okay,
9:19Speaker 3let's
9:20Speaker 3just do the labs. But it is, you don't want,
9:24Speaker 3I mean,
9:25Speaker 3that doesn't help.
9:27Speaker 1Why would you want to do that? Doesn't even like
9:29Speaker 1want to see that. You what I mean? Like you need to see that. What is the difference between free testosterone and bioavailable testosterone? So free,
9:37Speaker 3let's put it like this. Free is almost like gross income versus net income.
9:43Speaker 3It's like, how much of your total do you have available to be used in your body? How much is free?
9:51Speaker 2Mean, how much is your pocket? So we have 3 things that we're looking at. We have total.
9:56Speaker 3We have 3 and the bioavailable. Because what happens if your total is over here,
10:01Speaker 3but your free is over here. The take home story is the higher you're free,
10:07Speaker 3the more of the total you get to use.
10:10Speaker 3So you, if you have a total of 1,000
10:12Speaker 3and a free of 50,
10:16Speaker 3you don't get to use Jack of that. I mean, you're like, that puts you down to like 400.
10:21Speaker 3What happens if you have a total of 300 and a free of 40?
10:27Speaker 3That's really puts you at about 175.
10:30Speaker 3What happens if you're at 1000 and
10:33Speaker 3your free tea is 200 or above? Boom. This is our sweet this or more. We can go way over here and still be in this scenario. This fella
10:44Speaker 3is able to use the majority of this 1,000 and feel like a savage,
10:50Speaker 3then the bioavailable,
10:52Speaker 3boom. So bioavailable shows us
10:55Speaker 3how much do you have available that is not bound up in your liver
11:00Speaker 3and other receptors of the body.
11:02Speaker 3So
11:03Speaker 3usually these 2 go hand in hand. If this one's low, this one's most likely going to be low too. Or if this one's low assuredly,
11:12Speaker 3these are going to be low for sure. Because we, you know, I'll see someone here, but then they're over here with the free and they're bioavailable. Yeah.
11:19Speaker 1What
11:20Speaker 1would affect, cause you, you see sometimes somebody has 1000,
11:25Speaker 1And that's, that's a fairly good total test, you know? And then you have somebody that has like a 6,
11:31Speaker 1what would be like, why would that be such a drastic difference? Because that is extremely low on the free test.
11:39Speaker 3Why would it be such a dramatic? What you want? Because we had that question recently, which is it could, yes. So that's this exact thing right here. So the lower your free T and low your bioavailable,
11:51Speaker 3the more we know that your testosterone is being bound up
11:56Speaker 3more specifically in the liver. So what do we do if we're gonna, there's ways to free up your free T if this is already high, which is, this is not the typical. This is not typical 1000 and then you're here. Usually a typical is you're here and it just goes like this. It's a downward spiral.
12:13Speaker 3But if you're going to, if we're going increase your testosterone inevitably,
12:17Speaker 3especially if we use other things like HCG, we're going to be increasing the free with it.
12:22Speaker 3But if we have this scenario, we know inevitably that you have too much testosterone bound up in the liver
12:28Speaker 3receptors. Then we need to free that up. There are ways to free that up. How do do that? Well, it could be just HCG.
12:35Speaker 3Could be things like boron supplements like that. So let's talk about that for 1 2nd because this is super interesting. So you generally speaking, HCG
12:45Speaker 1for people that are not you that know all about this would be taken for guys that want to stay fertile, that don't want their
12:52Speaker 1testicles to shrink. So would you say for most men on TRT that you're going to recommend HCG no matter what?
13:01Speaker 1I-
13:02Speaker 3For that reason, mean. I don't even start recommending like I say, your treatment is going to look like this. 1,
13:10Speaker 3testosterone.
13:11Speaker 32, the special sauce. I could call it whatever they want because my counterparts in Southern California are not giving this. They're just giving testosterone. They're sending them out of the office by and then they end up coming in all messed up. But HCG is like the special sauce. 1, what does it do?
13:27Speaker 3It keeps your testes working. We just say balls. We just say balls. We don't need- That's right. Testicles, we don't need to be on-
13:33Speaker 3your balls work working.
13:35Speaker 3If your balls aren't working, it turns them on,
13:39Speaker 3Keeps them revved up, which 3 increases
13:42Speaker 3or helps to increase your natural T. So when I say we're giving you testosterone, you're getting
13:49Speaker 3exogenous, but you're getting the real thing too. You know, you know that saying there's nothing like the real thing. That's right. I love it. You're getting both. That's right. 4 prevents
13:59Speaker 3your nuts from shrinking.
14:01Speaker 35 keeps you fertile. And 6, we don't know what causes this. It tends to give you this sense of like mental well-being.
14:10Speaker 3We're not sure if it has to do with the increase in the estrogen, a little spike in estrogen,
14:16Speaker 3but guys who are on this,
14:18Speaker 3they just seem to feel a little bit better than the guys are just on testosterone. Yeah.
14:23Speaker 2You Do think it's maybe just because, Hey, now they have a little bit more testosterone and testosterone. They're making their, they're
14:29Speaker 3the real thing. The real deal. Like you're getting both. Nothing like the real thing. So I don't even present
14:35Speaker 3another,
14:36Speaker 3this is it. But then when they say,
14:38Speaker 3oh, the HCG is too expensive. I'm like, look, we have balls for a reason. Yeah.
14:45Speaker 3What we're gonna
14:48Speaker 3me, rationally, logically, it doesn't make sense to shut down a whole system of our body,
14:55Speaker 3even if you don't want to be fertile. Okay. I'm already snipped. It doesn't matter.
14:58Speaker 3I don't care. Okay. So we just took out 1 reason. So we're not worried about your fertility. We still want your balls to be on. We still want to rev them up. We still want to naturally increase your testosterone. What happens if you have
15:10Speaker 3to or want to come off of this later?
15:12Speaker 3You don't have to wait a year or 2 years to rev your nuts back up. They're already on.
15:18Speaker 2That's right. Makes sense. Do you mind sharing with us- Dosages? Your dosage,
15:23Speaker 2starting dosage for HCG. You can say no if
15:26Speaker 2you don't want to give away this- I was gonna say no, bro. So generally,
15:30Speaker 3and this is, I'm not anyone's doctor here. This what
15:36Speaker 3happens. Guys call in and they'll say, well, what dosages are you giving? And basically I'm like, I just
15:43Speaker 3gave them. Yeah.
15:45Speaker 3I like to say they've got to put some kind of skin in the game for me to tell you how I'm going to do this. But generally speaking,
15:53Speaker 3if we're looking for just to
15:56Speaker 3keep your testes working, we're looking at 500
15:59Speaker 3Monday
16:00Speaker 3and Friday.
16:02Speaker 3That's enough to keep them on to increase your natural. Now,
16:06Speaker 3if you're actively trying to reproduce,
16:08Speaker 3boom, we need to increase that big time. So 1000 IUs Monday,
16:14Speaker 3Wednesday, and Friday. And this is generally for the younger guy,
16:19Speaker 3who's been turned away by their fertility specialists saying, sorry,
16:23Speaker 3IVF, they're trying to sell IVF. I mean, I've had
16:27Speaker 3handfuls of guys saying,
16:29Speaker 3I can't get, we can't get pregnant. And 6 months later, they're like calling me crying. Oh my God, my wife's pregnant. I'm like,
16:37Speaker 3we've helped many,
16:40Speaker 1we're not doctors,
16:43Speaker 1but there's
16:44Speaker 1doctors that literally
16:46Speaker 3don't know that you can stay in testosterone and get the proof is in the pudding, man. It works. And I, by the way, it worked for me too. I'm 48. I
16:55Speaker 3have
16:57Speaker 3a 3 year old That
16:59Speaker 3that
17:01Speaker 3wasn't supposed to happen. Yeah.
17:04Speaker 3She's great. But like, I had a guy tell me, you know, you don't make enough
17:09Speaker 3swimmers to get your wife pregnant. I'm like, oh man, okay. What do we do?
17:15Speaker 3I did exactly this. And then boom, yeah, The doctor told you that? What do about adding you
17:22Speaker 2Enclomiphene
17:23Speaker 2in that
17:24Speaker 3thoughts? So this is going to be
17:26Speaker 3controversial and there's going to probably be,
17:29Speaker 3there's an entire industry revolved around Enclomiphene.
17:32Speaker 3When
17:33Speaker 3I started this practice 3 years ago,
17:36Speaker 3everyone did not get HCG.
17:38Speaker 3They got T and Enclomiphene.
17:40Speaker 31,
17:41Speaker 3cause it's a pill. It's easier, right? And 2, it's more affordable.
17:46Speaker 3But here's the deal. Since then, I have taken
17:52Speaker 3probably 90 percent of my patients off of this because
17:56Speaker 3of the side effects.
17:59Speaker 3And because it wasn't
18:02Speaker 3initially
18:03Speaker 3created or found out that it works. It wasn't meant to be used long term.
18:10Speaker 3So some of the side effects, and this is, I've taken this myself,
18:15Speaker 3severe headaches,
18:16Speaker 3mood swings,
18:18Speaker 3even had a guy, suicidal ideation, call me up at 12PM
18:22Speaker 31 night. And
18:24Speaker 3this happened as well.
18:27Speaker 320, I have over 1000 patients, about 20 times
18:31Speaker 3I've repeated their labs and their testosterone
18:34Speaker 3was in the tank.
18:35Speaker 3And I was like,
18:38Speaker 3this is impossible. I
18:40Speaker 3call the pharmacist at the compounding pharmacy. I'm like, have you seen this? He said, Oh yeah, in a small subsection,
18:47Speaker 3it'll do the exact opposite. And I'm like,
18:50Speaker 1The Enclomiphene will bring the testosterone down. We took them off of this 3
18:56Speaker 3months later,
18:57Speaker 3HCG, they're back, you know, they're back where they should. And that was, it was a really hard thing for me to have to take
19:03Speaker 3400 patients off of Enclomiphene. And
19:07Speaker 3you have all the social
19:09Speaker 3media companies, Maximus,
19:11Speaker 3they're basically calling Enclomiphene
19:14Speaker 3oral testosterone. And
19:17Speaker 3it's not.
19:18Speaker 1Well, they're trying to tap into the dudes that have no idea about testosterone. So they're the dudes in the stands yelling at us going, you guys aren't cheaters and all this stupid stuff.
19:29Speaker 1They're just uneducated.
19:30Speaker 1And they, so that would be like,
19:33Speaker 1I don't want to take testosterone.
19:36Speaker 1Enclomiphene
19:37Speaker 1would be something that many people would suggest. Now let's talk about that. Let me 1 more thing. What
19:43Speaker 3I have found is that enclomiphene does not work for 100 percent of men. We're talking, when I'm thinking about 1000 patients, I'm like, wait a minute, I'd
19:53Speaker 3say it's about 60 percent. That it doesn't? It does. It just doesn't work. You
19:59Speaker 3just, we don't know how, essentially
20:01Speaker 3we're increasing your FSH and LH in the pituitary,
20:05Speaker 3sending a signal to our balls to 1,
20:08Speaker 3naturally increase test and naturally increase sperm. We don't know how the pituitary is gonna react. Yeah.
20:14Speaker 3You could get a, your pituitary could be dormant and you give it this and these guys get great results. I mean, I've had got great results. And then
20:22Speaker 36 months pass,
20:24Speaker 312 months pass,
20:26Speaker 3doc, I don't feel anything. You check it and it's their level.
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21:01Speaker 3So on the same day, I don't
21:04Speaker 3even present in clomiphene anymore just because of the side effects
21:08Speaker 3and my personal
21:10Speaker 3observation.
21:11Speaker 2It works in some- In some people because I will say, like, I know
21:16Speaker 22 people personally who, like, had never touched tests. They went to doc, test was low, they ran some Enclomiphene and their tests went up by about a by a couple 100 points. Yeah. No. But but, again, let me always talk about this. Every step when we're talking like,
21:29Speaker 3everybody's different. Sorry. Everyone's Everyone. So drugs. I've had guys go up 600
21:34Speaker 3points. So I'm like Yeah.
21:36Speaker 3That's great. He's like, but I still don't feel good. So what happens?
21:41Speaker 3These guys that have only started out on just Enclomiphene at the beginning,
21:45Speaker 3100%
21:46Speaker 3of them
21:48Speaker 3have called me up 6 months later and said, okay, I'm ready.
21:52Speaker 3Like ready for what? I'm ready to start the test.
21:56Speaker 3Congratulations.
21:57Speaker 3And then I'm talking a month later, they're texting and calling. 3 weeks later, thank you. I feel like a new man. I should have just heard, listened to you from the but get
22:05Speaker 3I don't know everything.
22:07Speaker 3Information.
22:08Speaker 2Well, how many what percentage of people would you say start testosterone, regular testosterone, and then maybe a month, 2 months and be like, you know what? I don't like how I feel. Right? And I know there's probably some
22:18Speaker 2people,
22:20Speaker 2but it just wanted to kind of show, tell the audience like, Oh, how many people started and started. Then they're like, I don't like this feeling. I don't like how that, what this is doing to me. I think I heard of a guy like a couple of years ago on a guy somewhere.
22:36Speaker 1You know what I mean? Let me answer that. It's the guys that don't take it properly, meaning like they don't take it in their proper doses, milligrams per week that's prescribed. They forget to take it. So there's like, you know what this is the God's honest answer.
22:51Speaker 3I have had 0 people say they don't like it. I have had a handful say,
22:59Speaker 3after I check-in with everyone at 60 days, we do 60 to 90 days, we do repeat labs.
23:05Speaker 3I haven't really noticed anything yet.
23:09Speaker 3I have noticed that. Have anyone saying,
23:12Speaker 3nah, this isn't for everyone
23:13Speaker 3has said,
23:15Speaker 3and I tell them, it's not if this works,
23:19Speaker 3it's when it works. So
23:22Speaker 3no,
23:23Speaker 3I've had 6
23:25Speaker 3months later someone say, You know,
23:27Speaker 3I broke out in a few,
23:29Speaker 3had some bad acne and I don't want to go back to when I was in high school, I got made fun of, then stop.
23:36Speaker 3But I've never had someone say, I don't like the way it makes me feel. 0. Yeah.
23:41Speaker 2Fair. Good. So
23:43Speaker 1you have,
23:45Speaker 1I know that we've talked a little bit about some AIs and that's a little bit I think that is
23:50Speaker 1going to be different for some doctors.
23:52Speaker 1Before I dig into this, let me tell you a little bit about my experience
23:56Speaker 1from the fitness side.
23:57Speaker 1Like the same doctors that are, they go get blood work, they run testosterone,
24:02Speaker 1total tests. They had that, there's nothing else. And they put them on 200 mg of testosterone, Symphony and Arimidex,
24:10Speaker 1right? Whatever it be, be a mega week or whatever. And they, that's what they prescribed them off the gates and they don't run any other tests. That is what a MD
24:19Speaker 1plural, I mean, D is, I was running across it in a high, a pretty high percentage of guys that I 60
24:26Speaker 1percent were on TRT. The other 40 percent, I would have them go get their blood work. So we would, I'm not a doctor, but I would give them some guidance on things that I've worked And that would, I would be blown away by doctors that would just do that out the gate. Like, it's not 1 shoe fits every size. It's just crazy. It's not cookie cutter. Yeah. You,
24:43Speaker 1I know, have some different opinions on AIs
24:45Speaker 1than most.
24:47Speaker 2So let's talk a little bit about that. Is there a time when you would recommend it at all? Or give us somebody asked me yesterday, what does AI mean? So could you tell the It's artificial intelligence. Right? Yeah. Or artificial insemination.
25:00Speaker 3Yeah.
25:01Speaker 3I never thought about that. So 1st off, before we start talking about AIs and estrogen in men, I wanna there's this quote.
25:09Speaker 3Because this is gonna stir up a lot of stuff in guys because they read on a bodybuilding forum or their friend told them at the gym or Reddit told them or they Googled on AI estrogen in men.
25:24Speaker 3It's far better to walk alone than with a crowd that's going in the wrong direction.
25:31Speaker 1So you
25:32Speaker 3have that, you know why those people do that?
25:35Speaker 3To me,
25:36Speaker 3it seems like that's how they were taught. You mean the MDs? Yeah.
25:41Speaker 3You go to
25:43Speaker 3American Academy, all these different conferences. Every
25:48Speaker 3clinic that I've had a patient leave
25:51Speaker 3and come to me, which is we're talking in the hundreds now, that's
25:56Speaker 3their cookie cutter approach.
25:58Speaker 3I don't know how they got that number or why they're giving them 0.5 CC twice a week with 0.5 mg of anastrozole,
26:07Speaker 3which is an AI, an estrogen blocker twice a week. But that's what they were taught.
26:12Speaker 3That's the way their doctor taught them. And what do we call that? It's, there's
26:18Speaker 3this idea.
26:19Speaker 3The 1st thing you heard is the 1 thing that's engraved
26:23Speaker 3in your brain and that's called
26:25Speaker 3confirmation bias.
26:28Speaker 3You heard that and then you saw or heard it again. So that must be the truth. Yeah.
26:33Speaker 3But
26:35Speaker 3I
26:36Speaker 3thought the same thing.
26:38Speaker 3Doctor 16 years ago when I started TRT,
26:41Speaker 3they don't even think it was called TRT. He was just like, your testosterone's
26:45Speaker 3300. And I'm like,
26:46Speaker 3wait, I'm not invincible?
26:49Speaker 3So he said, and you have to take this, you have to take this to block your estrogen. I'm like, sweet.
26:54Speaker 3So for 10 years, I took an estrogen blocker and
26:58Speaker 3physically
26:59Speaker 3I looked good,
27:01Speaker 3but here we go. If we're talking like, there's no filters here. Like libido was in the gutter.
27:08Speaker 3Boners were not like my normal, like, okay.
27:12Speaker 3Something was off. And
27:14Speaker 3I literally took this 3 times a week for years
27:17Speaker 3and I'm like, something's wrong. Well,
27:20Speaker 1you hear that commonly,
27:23Speaker 1libido will actually be not, they'll actually go down on testosterone.
27:28Speaker 1So let's talk about that. So you're saying that a lot of it could be the AI?
27:34Speaker 3Okay.
27:36Speaker 3So let's talk about
27:37Speaker 350%
27:39Speaker 3of your libido and sexual function
27:42Speaker 3is due to estrogen. A
27:44Speaker 3lot of guys think,
27:46Speaker 3oh, it's all testosterone. The more testosterone, the better though.
27:51Speaker 3If I have estrogen, that's going to turn me into a girl and I'm going to, you know, no,
27:55Speaker 3no physiologically
27:57Speaker 350%
27:58Speaker 3of your sexual function,
27:59Speaker 3meaning your libido, erection quality is due to estrogen. But if you tell that to a man who's heard something else, they're gonna be like, this
28:08Speaker 3guy's a quack. He has no idea what he's talking about. But go back to what you were saying. When I,
28:15Speaker 3when things weren't working with me, I was like, oh my God,
28:19Speaker 3I've
28:20Speaker 3got to, I have to, I'm stopping this. And it took 3 months. And
28:25Speaker 3then suddenly I'm waking up
28:29Speaker 3pitching a tent. Wait, you got 3 months off of the AI? Yes. Yes.
28:33Speaker 3And then when I started the practice, I thought, you know what, let's not, let's give them some, but let's only give them a little bit.
28:42Speaker 3Let's
28:44Speaker 3basically
28:45Speaker 3let's not fully screw them up. Let's only screw them up a little bit now looking back on it. Yeah.
28:51Speaker 1Your intentions were good because that's what you knew. That's what's now with more experience. But
28:57Speaker 3then you start to look into like, okay, what the guys,
29:01Speaker 3the experts know about this? So
29:04Speaker 3this is a funny
29:05Speaker 3story. And when I used to start these guys, I give them an Astros all now and I literally on the instructions say,
29:13Speaker 3do not take
29:15Speaker 3on the instructions
29:17Speaker 3because they want, I want to feel like they have it in case they
29:22Speaker 3start.
29:23Speaker 3Because that's what they know. So like 80 percent of my patients are now not taking any AIs and it's, I've lost patients.
29:31Speaker 3Really? They've left because they're like, no, I
29:35Speaker 3went to this other doctor and he said, I always need to be on this. So this is a funny story. I get these calls and texts from my patients.
29:43Speaker 3Tyler,
29:44Speaker 3doc, I need to talk to you.
29:47Speaker 3When can we schedule a call?
29:49Speaker 3And instantly I know exactly what they're gonna ask
29:53Speaker 3or what they're gonna tell me. And I'll get on the phone and it's like, okay, so you can't get it up
29:59Speaker 3and your libido is down. Yeah, my wife thinks I'm cheating on her. And I'm like, okay, are you ready to stop taking this pill?
30:07Speaker 3I'm willing to do anything. Do I need Cialis? Well, we can do that. I want you to stop taking this pill 1st. I'm
30:14Speaker 3gonna report
30:16Speaker 3back in a month. And
30:17Speaker 3they're like, okay, we're good, man. I'm waking up with boners.
30:21Speaker 3Everything's working good again. And I'm like,
30:24Speaker 3okay.
30:26Speaker 3This, it just kept happening.
30:28Speaker 3And that is because they are taking too much and they are crashing their estrogen, right? Crashing their estrogen. But we also need to discuss that when we're not talking about the normal
30:38Speaker 3person who's not, we're talking about guys who are taking- Optimize.
30:42Speaker 3Optimizing
30:44Speaker 3their testosterone. That
30:46Speaker 3conversion to estrogen
30:49Speaker 3is good. What?
30:51Speaker 3It's good.
30:53Speaker 3Having higher estrogen
30:55Speaker 3from the conversion of testosterone is good. Not having high estrogen when you're obese,
31:00Speaker 3having metabolic
31:01Speaker 1syndrome, insulin sensitivity, and high blood pressure. So when does it come too high? When do let's, I love this. This is great. So when does that become too high? So we want estrogen because estrogen is going to help with erections.
31:11Speaker 1I love estrogen
31:12Speaker 3converted from testosterone. Not this we're talking specifically
31:16Speaker 1about men
31:17Speaker 1who on
31:19Speaker 3testosterone
31:20Speaker 3therapy.
31:21Speaker 1What about Yeah. So if you start taking too much testosterone where it goes into a steroid cycle,
31:28Speaker 1We're not talking about those. No, I'm just saying like, would it, when was that, would that estrogen be too much to where you would need you, you personally think that you would need to bring it down on a TRT level? Wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't
31:40Speaker 1go to the degree where like a 9 year Clemens. My estrogen is 150.
31:44Speaker 3And he told me, I was telling him, when I saw that, I was almost embarrassed and I was like, oh my God. You left that day. I was like, wait, you told me your numbers. I was like, I went into, couldn't believe it dude. But I'm like, okay, wait a minute.
31:57Speaker 3This is the best I've ever felt. Like
31:59Speaker 3I pop up at a bed and I'm,
32:02Speaker 3I'm the 1st 1 up, I'm the last 1 to go to sleep, wake up with boners every day. Have more sex with
32:08Speaker 3my wife than ever. Like everything's
32:11Speaker 3working. Am, by the way,
32:14Speaker 3this is a confirmation bias too.
32:17Speaker 3Guys are told and are misled that the higher the estrogen,
32:22Speaker 3the higher
32:24Speaker 3the body fat,
32:26Speaker 3which is completely
32:29Speaker 3the wrong thing.
32:31Speaker 3I mean The Yeah. Higher the estrogen,
32:33Speaker 3the more your metabolic system is going to be on fire and you're going to actually drop body fat. I'm going to have people, we're going to have people comment on that, but I will dare
32:43Speaker 2It's fine. Okay, cool. Is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mean, neither is this. But I feel like it's the inverse, like, so somebody
32:49Speaker 2who is obese in general
32:52Speaker 2has higher estrogen. It's the fat that causes the estrogen, not the estrogen that causes the fat. Correct. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So people are not optimized though. Like if they're overweight and they're not an option. That's
33:03Speaker 3what I'm saying. So like, we're not, that's like, you're like completely different conversation.
33:07Speaker 3Is, there is our studies showing that men who are obese with metabolic syndrome, insulin sensitivity,
33:13Speaker 3and estrogen elevated that have had a higher risk of heart attacks. And you know what they blamed it on? It's gotta be the estrogen.
33:21Speaker 3But
33:22Speaker 3there are in 50 years, if you've, there's an expert, Doctor. Neil Rouge, 50 years
33:28Speaker 3of clinical evidence and medical research,
33:31Speaker 3there is no studies that correlate-
33:34Speaker 3Testosterone.
33:35Speaker 3Testosterone
33:36Speaker 3that converts into estrogen and causing
33:38Speaker 3heart disease,
33:40Speaker 3cancer, or anything else. But actually
33:43Speaker 3it lowers your morbidity and mortality up to 30 to 40 percent. I don't know.
33:48Speaker 3So it is a lot of the positive effects of testosterone are actually from the conversion to estrogen. That's awesome. Well,
33:58Speaker 1with that being said, you work with so many people. Mean, Will and I talked about it to the degree where like,
34:02Speaker 1we're a science project. It is not 1 size fits all. You have to find your sweet spots. Every there's levels like you told me your levels. I was like, woah,
34:10Speaker 1because that to me,
34:11Speaker 1just in this realm, that was high. But if you feel great, who gives a shit? Who cares? And you're not having any symptoms. I don't see much of acne. You look lean.
34:22Speaker 1Let's numbers
34:24Speaker 1talk
34:24Speaker 1to the degree where we can be vague of like,
34:27Speaker 1is there somewhat
34:30Speaker 1of a typical person, like a sweet spot, so to speak? Because before this conversation, I think I'm much, I'm changing a little bit already, but like I would have said like 1000
34:40Speaker 1total test give or take 50 free tests.
34:45Speaker 1That is generally,
34:46Speaker 1but you're saying you can do much a lot. I'm going love it because I'm curious. This is a number doesn't matter. Number doesn't matter. How do you feel?
34:54Speaker 3That's it. How do you feel? How do you perform? If we get your, your numbers back and it's 1000 and your, estrogen, the, I use quest, so it's a 0 to 39 and you're at 60. The 1st question I ask is, how are you feeling?
35:09Speaker 3I feel great. I feel great. Hey, but I noticed my estrogen was in the red. I'm like disregard
35:15Speaker 3that.
35:17Speaker 3Remember
35:17Speaker 3the higher your testosterone, the higher we want your estrogen. Yeah. You know, my workouts are great. My energy is good. My focus, I'm sleeping better. My sex like, okay.
35:27Speaker 3So the answer is we're not chasing the number because if you read the literature or some of that read it, you want a 20%
35:35Speaker 3ratio,
35:36Speaker 3a 20 to 1. And I'm like,
35:38Speaker 3if we're going to be chasing this 20 to 1 ratio, we're going to be checking your blood like every
35:44Speaker 3week. And like, that's just not realistic.
35:47Speaker 3How How are we ever gonna get to a 20 to 1 ratio? Someone
35:52Speaker 3made that
35:54Speaker 3conversion up somewhere and that's what So if you read that on Reddit 6 times, you're gonna think, oh, this Yeah, I need it to be within normal range.
36:02Speaker 2I agree with you. I think the last couple podcasts I've said, you know,
36:07Speaker 2I just did blood tests. I just would go how you feel. Yeah. Even if so like same thing with testosterone though.
36:15Speaker 3Someone's 800,
36:16Speaker 3they may not feel good.
36:18Speaker 3And you bump up their dose just a little bit, 5 units or 20
36:23Speaker 3mg a week,
36:24Speaker 3and they get to 1,100 and suddenly they feel unstoppable.
36:28Speaker 3Someone who's at 800,
36:30Speaker 3who started at 200, he may feel amazing now.
36:34Speaker 3If I was at 800, I wouldn't feel that great. My sweet spot's usually like 1200,
36:39Speaker 3maybe even a little bit more.
36:41Speaker 2So tell us about methods
36:43Speaker 2of administration.
36:45Speaker 2What do you guys do at your practice? Is it all injectable? Do you guys do do pellet? I know there's all types of different things. What do think about,
36:51Speaker 2Sub Q? These are basic questions that everybody's got.
36:55Speaker 3Many injections a week? Yeah. So yeah, the standard of care used to be, I mean, you even talk about these specialists,
37:04Speaker 3these urologists,
37:05Speaker 3standard of care used to be 1
37:07Speaker 3injection every 2 weeks. Then
37:10Speaker 3it changed to 1 a week.
37:13Speaker 3When I have people come to the practice all the time and they're like, yeah, my doctor has me on 1 shot a week and like, I feel good. Then something's,
37:21Speaker 2like, that's
37:22Speaker 3not the standard of care. Minimum
37:25Speaker 32 times a week now. So we do Monday and Friday and guys who are injection
37:31Speaker 3naive,
37:32Speaker 3meaning they've never injected before. We start with sub Q. Okay.
37:37Speaker 3You were to ask a bodybuilder, friend,
37:39Speaker 3intermediate
37:41Speaker 3acting,
37:43Speaker 3seems to be the best. I think it's the best. We're not, I'm not treating many bodybuilders
37:49Speaker 3or physique competitors, so we're not worried about a whole lot of different esters or long
37:53Speaker 3acting versus short acting and
37:56Speaker 3seems to be the best. Universally
37:58Speaker 3accepted too. What's
38:01Speaker 3going on? So subQ, you started with subQ. SubQ.
38:03Speaker 3Now,
38:04Speaker 3subQ,
38:06Speaker 3again, you asked your bodybuilder friend, they'll say, No,
38:10Speaker 3it's more effective if it's right in your ass cheek, right in the muscle. Okay.
38:15Speaker 3But the literature shows that
38:18Speaker 3SubQ stays in the system longer,
38:21Speaker 3I'm
38:22Speaker 3gets or intramuscular
38:24Speaker 3gets in the system faster. Okay.
38:26Speaker 3So for rookies,
38:28Speaker 3we want you to be able to see what you're doing. So we just go sub q. If they're ready to graduate and say, Hey, you know,
38:36Speaker 3I'd rather do it in my butt cheek or my lateral thigh. Great. Some guys like to do it in their delts. At
38:42Speaker 3the end of the day, I honestly think at the end of the day Each his own. To each his own and
38:49Speaker 3the actual number or feeling,
38:53Speaker 3it's not any different. It's going in your system month
38:57Speaker 3after month,
38:58Speaker 3whether you do it. So I've done it sub Q and I didn't notice a difference. I preferred my lateral thigh. So
39:05Speaker 3to start out all sub Q. Yeah, cool. And twice a week, do you ever usually twice a week? Usually there are some guys, you know, dose of like the typical that you put or is it, does it vary literally?
39:17Speaker 3All of it depends on what their total and free is. So someone comes in and they're at $2.50, we're obviously gonna start them.
39:25Speaker 3Perry's coming on
39:27Speaker 3a little bit higher than someone who's at 400.
39:30Speaker 3And I have some guys that are at coming at 50 and I'm like,
39:34Speaker 3like, I'm actually nervous for you.
39:36Speaker 3Seriously. This is making me anxious. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I tell David, I'm like, tell this guy,
39:42Speaker 3Joe Smith to come in right now. Yeah. Poor guy. Yeah. I'm like, this is not okay. Does he know what stat means?
39:50Speaker 2Yeah. Okay,
39:51Speaker 2great.
39:52Speaker 3I
39:53Speaker 2agree. Like that matters. But-
39:56Speaker 3It matters.
39:57Speaker 2I think that daily, and I think, well, daily is a pain in the ass, like, I mean, literally.
40:03Speaker 2Pun intended. I think that it's probably the most effective. I don't keep you real even,
40:07Speaker 3but it just sucks. Yeah, there's some others in the clinic
40:12Speaker 3that does do the micro dosing daily. And yes, I would say it does mimic the body's natural
40:18Speaker 3testosterone
40:19Speaker 3release. But
40:21Speaker 3I mean, I personally,
40:23Speaker 3I don't What is realistic?
40:25Speaker 3Especially for a guy who is naive to this. What can you do? Who's never done this for someone who's been injecting for 10 years. If you want to do it every day, great.
40:35Speaker 3If you want to do it Monday, Wednesday, Friday, that's
40:38Speaker 3good too. But
40:40Speaker 3for the guy who's never done it before, which is the typical,
40:43Speaker 3let's start with Monday and Friday. If we need to adjust later on, we can adjust, modify,
40:49Speaker 3whatever,
40:50Speaker 3and increase.
40:51Speaker 2Do you pellets? How about pellets? Do you do pellets? When I 1st started, we did pellets.
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41:30Speaker 3this time, I was still treating women, the 1st lady I did with pellets,
41:33Speaker 3she called me a week later and she said she was so horny that she wanted to screw the mailman.
41:40Speaker 3So I was like, oh wow. And guess what? I can't adjust her dose. There's
41:45Speaker 3no adjustment.
41:47Speaker 3You are stuck with that for 3 or 4 She lives with a mailman now.
41:52Speaker 3When she said that, I was like, wow,
41:55Speaker 3this stuff really works good.
41:57Speaker 3And then I've seen a couple of people, the incisions have opened up and then some
42:02Speaker 3have even gotten infected.
42:05Speaker 3So I'm like, okay,
42:07Speaker 3to me, I'm going to go with what
42:09Speaker 3is the best?
42:11Speaker 3I think this is the best. What is the most realistic?
42:14Speaker 3What is the least invasive?
42:16Speaker 3I mean, what can you control more?
42:18Speaker 3What can you adjust if it's too much? Should we just back your dose off. If it's too little, instead of waiting 3 or 4 months to me, that just some
42:27Speaker 3people who are advocates of pellets, that's great. If you get a great result, fine. That's
42:33Speaker 3personally not what
42:35Speaker 3I do. And the creams,
42:37Speaker 1Yep.
42:38Speaker 1Punt. Yeah.
42:42Speaker 3We get some of those questions. I mean, I've done that too. I have a guy that swears
42:46Speaker 3by the cream,
42:48Speaker 3but out of over 1000 patients, I have like 2 and they're all like 70 years old. This
42:57Speaker 2was a question earlier, but HGH and trying to make a baby.
43:01Speaker 2I've had doctors tell, well, friends of mine, man, you need to you should add in 1 IU of HGH because your sperm count is super low. I've had then people just recently who were chemists who was like, yes, if you're trying to make a baby, pull the HGH. Stop it.
43:16Speaker 3Growth. You're talking growth hormone. Yep.
43:20Speaker 3It's beyond my expertise. I
43:23Speaker 3was on HGH kids,
43:25Speaker 3just so you know, so I don't know if that makes sense.
43:27Speaker 3I mean, that's
43:29Speaker 3really interesting to see if growth hormone
43:33Speaker 3affects fertility.
43:34Speaker 3It's that's beyond,
43:36Speaker 3have not heard or seen that if it is
43:39Speaker 3well, hell, that's great.
43:41Speaker 1It's interesting, Dihexa and Klomiphene, because we've had this pop up and I've never taken it. But we get questions all the time. So this is great. I mean, it's been a good what else? What, how about so many other treatments that you do that at your clinic that you think is really 1 good and forward and you're really helping men? Head of So the
44:01Speaker 2I just kind of like, yeah, give us, this is like a joke. Okay. So I'm
44:06Speaker 3your
44:07Speaker 3We're
44:09Speaker 3older guys, but we don't act like older guys, right? No.
44:11Speaker 3I'm 48 and I inevitably,
44:14Speaker 3you do too. Guarantee you do too.
44:17Speaker 3We're of the bigger stature.
44:19Speaker 3You have guys all the time asking,
44:23Speaker 3do you do? What do you do? What do you drink?
44:25Speaker 3What is your workout? What is your diet? What
44:28Speaker 3are your top 2? What are your best vitamins? And I'll say,
44:32Speaker 3and this is a joke, not joke,
44:35Speaker 3the most important vitamins
44:37Speaker 3are tea
44:39Speaker 3and GH. Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
44:42Speaker 3These 2 things together- Testosterone is just the godfather, man. This is the godfather and then
44:49Speaker 3you go- I love that, bro. Give me some come on. I
44:54Speaker 3literally tell people testosterone
44:57Speaker 3is the most crucial foundational chemical a man makes. We have been, what about the guys who say, Well, I don't want to become dependent on it. I'm like,
45:09Speaker 3You've been dependent on it since you're in your mother's womb. We're
45:13Speaker 3replacing
45:14Speaker 1what mother nature has taken I know people have a problem understanding that. That is so easy though. I feel like it's going away
45:21Speaker 3because of guys like us talking about it, but I'm like, these are the most important vitamins, even though they're not actually vitamins. It's like,
45:28Speaker 3When you optimize tea 1st
45:31Speaker 3and then you add a little bit of
45:34Speaker 3growth hormone, it's like-
45:37Speaker 3It's like- Dude, 100%.
45:39Speaker 3Is brighter. The colors are brighter.
45:43Speaker 3Your perspective is different and it doesn't take much. And we're not talking about bodybuilding doses. We're talking about just like- Longevity.
45:51Speaker 1People
45:53Speaker 3are like,
45:54Speaker 3What'd you do?
45:56Speaker 3You doing something different? And I'm like, I'm not gonna tell them, but if they really wanna know, I'll tell them, but this
46:02Speaker 3is it, And
46:03Speaker 3then obviously
46:05Speaker 3tons of peptides,
46:07Speaker 3tons and tons and tons. I'd say we probably use about
46:10Speaker 312 peptides regularly.
46:13Speaker 3And 1 of those are several of those are growth hormone peptides. So the proof's in the pudding. We know growth hormone is like
46:21Speaker 3in a nutshell, the fountain of youth. And
46:24Speaker 3I tell people, you heard of the book called like 10x.
46:28Speaker 3It's like when you optimize T 1st
46:31Speaker 3and you add growth hormone, you're like 10x ing, not
46:35Speaker 3your physique. This isn't just
46:38Speaker 3your life. Absolutely.
46:41Speaker 3Do you want feel change? I don't understand And they're like, well, it's too expensive. And I'm like,
46:46Speaker 3look, either you're going to pay for it now or
46:49Speaker 3you're going to pay for it when you're 70
46:53Speaker 3and you're trying to crawl
46:54Speaker 3out of a hole from poor health. More money than
46:58Speaker 2those bills are gonna to you. Way more. Work by 1000.
47:01Speaker 3You've got to pay misery right now crawling through us. But humans are silly, right? But think about this too. Guys come in, they're like, oh, I can't afford $400
47:09Speaker 3a month. And
47:11Speaker 3I'm like, is that your car right there?
47:14Speaker 3Yeah. How much do you pay for that?
47:17Speaker 3They're like, oh, that's my payment's like 800 a month. And I'm like, how many hours are you in your car?
47:24Speaker 31,
47:25Speaker 32 hours a day. How many hours are you in your body?
47:30Speaker 1And they're like,
47:31Speaker 3all right, let's go. I'll
47:33Speaker 3sign up for 6 months, you know?
47:36Speaker 3Yeah.
47:37Speaker 3It's just, what's more important to you at the time? What
47:40Speaker 2are your top 5 best selling peptides?
47:42Speaker 2Not that I shouldn't say sell, whatever most was
47:45Speaker 2suggested. Well,
47:47Speaker 3this has recently changed.
47:49Speaker 3I would say it used to definitely be the growth hormone peptides, which we'll talk about, but those are probably now number 2
47:55Speaker 3and number 3. Number 1 is Reta.
47:58Speaker 3This
48:00Speaker 3is kind of like a miracle peptide.
48:03Speaker 3I took it a year ago just when it 1st came out to see if it's, was, and I was astounded with the results. So
48:10Speaker 3I would say,
48:12Speaker 3I'd say about 30 percent of my patients are on that. 100
48:16Speaker 3percent
48:20Speaker 1Well, it's because
48:21Speaker 1humans
48:22Speaker 1want instant gratification.
48:24Speaker 1So what are the 2 things that you're really going to fill immediately?
48:27Speaker 1TOT 3 weeks. Yep. And Retta.
48:30Speaker 1Couple weeks. Yeah. Those 2 are instant. So if you had somebody that's on the testosterone,
48:35Speaker 1they're overweight and you put them on the Retta,
48:38Speaker 1they're going to feel completely different. It's just, they're going to start noticing like, wait,
48:43Speaker 3these pants are,
48:45Speaker 3they're a little bit more loose. There's no way this thing is working. And then they check their weight and they're like, And
48:51Speaker 3they feel good, dude. Don't you wanna feel good? Their energy is better.
48:54Speaker 1Dude, it's hot sucks. You don't understand like people,
49:12Speaker 3Yeah, this is, this is kind of- We like Tesofa. Yeah,
49:16Speaker 3you can combine those, but I use, I use the CJC Ipamorelin
49:20Speaker 3together, and this is recently
49:22Speaker 3seemed to have dropped. I think guys just, especially guys get better results with this. It helps with sleep. I mean, Tesamorelin's great.
49:31Speaker 3And then of course we've got the OG,
49:33Speaker 3which is That's
49:35Speaker 3it.
49:36Speaker 3BPC. If I had choose 1, that'll be it. Yeah.
49:38Speaker 3And this is great. I mean, this is good systemically.
49:41Speaker 3It's amazing, dude. And if you have, you know, even a new or an old injury and,
49:48Speaker 3gut issues, course.
49:50Speaker 1BPC
49:51Speaker 1literally,
50:05Speaker 1how good it is. You like, I'll have an injury and then I'll take it like 3 days later. I'm like, dude, I don't even feel it. It just continues to blow my mind. Even though I know how amazing it is. I'm still like, holy shit. It's
50:16Speaker 1amazing.
50:17Speaker 1Never.
50:31Speaker 3Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Which has the- All of them. Yeah. It's
50:35Speaker 1GC-3s): The copper and a TB.
50:37Speaker 3So I would say
50:39Speaker 1those 5
50:40Speaker 3are the, I'd
50:42Speaker 3say are probably 80% of the peptides that I give my patients. I think you have your others. That's
50:48Speaker 1great. I mean, that that'll change the appetite,
50:51Speaker 3but that's, that seems to have just fallen by the wayside. Yeah. It's definitely falling clip. But like, example,
50:57Speaker 1for example, some, some people,
51:00Speaker 1if you want to lose 50 pounds or more, I have recommended to some friends that tears up at night does work because it does block a hunger more. If you have a 50 pounds or more,
51:11Speaker 1need to stop eating and the Reddit throws a wrench in it because they still get hungry. And we need to block the hunger. So again,
51:18Speaker 3everybody's different, but Tirzepatide has its place. If we're working on a project like that,
51:22Speaker 1yeah, maybe start here. Start and then blend them in. Because we all know here, Reta is a God, it's a scientific
51:28Speaker 1breakthrough, but sometimes Tercepta has a place.
51:32Speaker 3Have to remember too well that HCG-
51:35Speaker 1Is a subtype.
51:39Speaker 3That's your winner. But people don't, I don't think people realize that. No, they don't.
51:42Speaker 2And HGH is the ultimate peptide.
51:45Speaker 3Yes. 1
51:47Speaker 1I love it, man. The TRT and the
51:49Speaker 1HGH are just in my repertoire. Run 2 units and that's all I needed, man. I love it. Do you use stress hormone? Yes, I do. You do. Don't you? Yeah, absolutely. I
51:59Speaker 1do 2. I That's
52:00Speaker 1what I do. I love it.
52:02Speaker 3A
52:04Speaker 2it's a subtle feeling. You know, I have done it. I did it for a year and 0.5 and then I stopped. And then when I stopped is when I went, oh yeah, that's what it was doing. It does. Holy crap. It takes a little bit to rev up,
52:16Speaker 3but then once it hits, it's you're in like,
52:19Speaker 3and it's not the way you, yes, the way you feel is important, but when other people are like, what
52:25Speaker 3are you doing?
52:27Speaker 3Like I've even had guys who haven't told their wives
52:30Speaker 3and their wife is like, you're doing
52:33Speaker 3something. What is it? Yeah.
52:35Speaker 3Anyway,
52:37Speaker 3that's a good conversation. I love it, man. That was good. We love it. We love these conversations. I knew that was 3
52:42Speaker 1dudes talking around the table about stuff we love, man. We're just started, didn't we? Yeah.
52:47Speaker 3Well, shoot, we're about time, man. Now we're in. That's how fast an hour goes dude. Tell everybody. Yeah, like we're gonna find you. Where do they find you and how do they get ahold of? So where do they find me?
52:57Speaker 3The website is actiontrt.com.
53:01Speaker 3It's just like, let's take action. I was like, it used to be Alpha, but I'm like, screw Alpha. That
53:07Speaker 3take action. So actiontrt.com.
53:10Speaker 3ActionTRT
53:11Speaker 3high performance on Instagram.
53:12Speaker 3Unfortunately,
53:14Speaker 3the actionTRT
53:16Speaker 3Instagram,
53:17Speaker 3I literally, I feel like my dog died. Got, got
53:22Speaker 3taken down because I was talking about something
53:25Speaker 3that someone didn't like. So,
53:27Speaker 3but
53:29Speaker 3action tier 2 high performance. We're on
53:33Speaker 3X, we're on YouTube.
53:37Speaker 1Wherever you guys know that you can DM me, you know, everyone everyone knows here at this point that I run the social medias, you
53:43Speaker 1you will find us. If you have questions, we will send them
53:47Speaker 1to
53:48Speaker 1Tyler's way, Doctor. Tyler, I like to say Tyler's everybody's, but, you know, we'll give them to you. And that's the thing that it's important. We love this stuff.
53:56Speaker 1We want to help people feel good, man. If you are struggling with trying to get on TRT, if you do not know by now by just listening to this, I'm gonna shake you.
54:05Speaker 3There's
54:06Speaker 31 thing, 1 last thing I'd like to say. I feel like a lot of these TRT clinics and anti aging clinics, you go in, they give you the same dose and you're on your way. Something
54:18Speaker 3that is different about my practice and about my team
54:22Speaker 3is that you're not alone.
54:24Speaker 3You have access to us. You can text and call David. You can text and call Laura. They are like extensions of my brain. And then finally, you can text and call me. So this is not like, Hey, here's your bottle of this is not a test dispenser,
54:39Speaker 3which those are fine too, but this is a service and we're here to guide you through every step of the way, make adjustments, do frequent labs every 60, 90 days, whatever. But this is not alone. There's no,
54:51Speaker 2there's no straight lines in life. Yeah. Well, it sounds like it. If you're telling me that you're getting text messages at midnight, you've made yourself available. Good for you. And I know that's tough.
55:01Speaker 3Well that that stuff goes in ways. Yeah, best stuff.
55:05Speaker 2Right on, man. We'll cool. We learned a lot. Thank you. A great job.
55:09Speaker 1Was good stuff, man. We've been trying to get on for a while. We wanted to wait until the podcast room was ready and bought it. It was lives better. I'm glad we didn't do that. I was glad we waited. We almost did it a few months ago. This is so much better. Yeah, you guys should be proud of yourselves. This is good. It's been good, man. So,
55:23Speaker 1everybody else, we got the Q and A next. We will be recording
55:26Speaker 1it in the next couple of days. I will be putting it out on my story. We'll get some updated questions and fire away. There was a quest sorry to interrupt you. There was a question from last time that I'm gonna maybe shoot to you. Maybe
55:40Speaker 2give me a little written answer and so I can tell the guy. It was a really it was basically like, hey, I'm taking
55:45Speaker 2TRT,
55:48Speaker 2but I have no sex drive.
55:50Speaker 2And we went through the, hey, could be estrogen, but I just wanna hear you'll probably mimic a lot what we're gonna say. But,
55:56Speaker 2anyway.
55:57Speaker 3Remember?
55:58Speaker 2Yeah. So I'll ask you and whoever wrote this comment or question,
56:02Speaker 2because like you were the dude that sucks.
56:04Speaker 2Yeah. Not being able to, and doesn't
56:07Speaker 2make sense.
56:09Speaker 3Not a fun testosterone
56:10Speaker 3does not give you erectile dysfunction. There's something else that else is that. Yeah. So yeah.
56:16Speaker 1Good stuff. All right, guys, we will catch you in the next round.
56:20Speaker 3Take care. Good night.