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0:00Speaker 0Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week. I'm your host, JD Denham. I got my co host, Mr. William T. Haas, across the way.
0:18Speaker 0What's up, man? I'm having a little technical difficulties, but what's up? I'm okay. Story of our lives, technical difficulties. That's why we have editors, right? What? Yeah. That's why we have editors.
0:40Speaker 0Been wanting to have you on for a while, so it's good to track you down and pinpoint you for today. Yes, sir.
1:02Speaker 0just know, I want to let you guys all know we are not doctors. We don't pretend to be doctors. Don't take anything that we say by anything, except for some dudes that like to talk about peptides.
2:15Speaker 1right? If this is the ultimate goal, right, we know that this reaction, this reaction, this reaction has to happen, so signal this 1 right here, and then boom, boom, boom, boom. Now this lights up. And so
2:31Speaker 1we know that, hey, if that thing goes up, our natural growth output goes up. And how we but what we see when the ghrelin receptor is activated
2:41Speaker 1So the unfortunate part of GHRP is they're gonna make you a bit more hungry. That's just how it works. We stimulate that, makes you more hungry, and that makes your growth hormones push out more. But Tesamorelin is a GHRH,
2:54Speaker 1not governed by the ghrelin receptor. It is a, I guess 1 big thing, is FDA approved for clinical use of,
3:26Speaker 1which is not a good thing to happen. It has some like severe medical problems. So the doctors actually, research teams developed
3:39Speaker 1erase a lot of the belly fat, right, that was freezing and leading to potential other dangers. And
3:47Speaker 1it's been used and studied so much that now it is FDA approved and it's probably the most popular
3:56Speaker 1Probably that reason alone, because it literally does, it's the 1 compound that literally does focus on that particular area. Yeah. Which is the holy grail of everybody in my past. You're 40, you better than a I could just burn fat in my stomach. That's it. My dude, sorry, you can't spot trans
4:19Speaker 1is different. Right? It's like really the only thing that I've ever heard of that was gonna target that.
4:27Speaker 1Alex, why don't you just help us out, give us a little bit more explanation of what it the other things that it does?
4:35Speaker 2is is I mean, it's like Will has said, it's a it's a it's a secretagogue, so it's just telling your body to
4:45Speaker 2any exogenous like growth hormone, which is at the end of the day, that's our goal is to get more growth hormone, right? So
4:54Speaker 2gonna increase your IGF-one levels, it's gonna increase your growth hormone levels, it's gonna help with visceral fat, it's gonna do a lot of good things. Mean, can help with like even,
5:06Speaker 2of losing visceral fat are, I mean, they're huge for metabolic reasons, for cardiovascular
5:13Speaker 2reasons, for all these things like freeing up fatty acids to be used for energy instead of storing them. Like it's got Tesamorelin has some pretty cool little mechanisms that it can do to where it's not just gonna get rid of the visceral fat, but it's gonna end up making you healthier in the long run because you're getting rid of that stuff, right? And all the other things that growth hormone does to a person.
5:41Speaker 2all that. Improving your sleep. Intestinal is 1 of the ones where some of them you can take them in the morning and at night, and this is 1 of the ones where they recommend at least to do it mostly at night just
5:52Speaker 2keep that stable and help with your sleep and help with the rest and help with the mood. Of course, you can do it in the morning, but it is 1 of the ones that you want to kind of give at night. That's an important question because I get people ask me all the time when should they take any
6:07Speaker 0I mean, I've taken them all and I've taken quite a bit of all of them and I don't know, I sleep like shit. Like, I don't know what it is. It's just the last few years of my life, I just sleep horrible. And so I'll speak to that, at least for myself, the Tesamorelin compared to all the other ones, at least help quite a bit. You know, I feel like I'm sleeping a bit deeper when I'm taking Tesamorelin, so anybody like me that struggles with that. And we tapped on this, but let's sit on it a little bit more because it's such an important thing. If you're 40, you have a little pooch at your belly. It doesn't matter how you eat that little pooch, man, because the food we eat is shit. So it's just
6:50Speaker 1Huge. It's huge. But, you know, but I guess people should be aware like this, again, it's it's not an overnight fix.
6:57Speaker 1This especially we've talked before the need to take these peptides. They're not steroids. They're not
7:08Speaker 1well shoot, mean, just take regular growth hormone, right? I'd tell people, you know, you're not even gonna really notice anything, like 6 months to a year is what you should be doing. It's a long term place
7:19Speaker 1budget for it. So, I mean, those taking this, would, you know, start taking it. It's kind of in your back pocket, right, at least 4 months before you make any
7:28Speaker 0decisions on its on its use or effect. Let it have time to do what it does. Like, we live in a world that's instant gratification. I get it. And like, we're a little bit spoiled because of GLP-one peptides, because those things do work really quickly. So if you start there,
7:42Speaker 0you probably think, you know, I mean, in just anybody that has lived in the world of any type of supplementation gear, whatever, like it's not- peptides aren't gear, they're not steroids. You're not going to get ripped and get buffed within a month. It's a long play. Like, let them do what they do. Take them on an empty stomach for 1.
8:01Speaker 0Take them fasted, like, do it properly, like eat well, eat good, work out, like do all the things that you need to do and let the peptides do what they do and know that they're not going to do the things that they do tomorrow.
8:15Speaker 2You know what I mean? They're all tools, right? Like they're all tools, but you have to have, you have to have, like, it's not like we're all saying, we're all kind of just, you know, saying the same thing, but it's like, these are tools to be used. You need to be every, you need to be in the best you need to be doing everything else possible you can be doing to be healthy and to be working on this without adding these things in before any
8:38Speaker 2growth hormone, even other supplements, gear, whatever, you're not gonna see any benefits from it if you're not taking it seriously, right? And kinda like ringing to or just, you know,
8:48Speaker 2backing up what you guys are saying, I guess would be the word is that, or that what I'm trying to get at is that in all these studies, if you go and look up all these studies, right, or even with the people that I've worked with, it's like,
9:03Speaker 2without giving it enough time to work, that work that you've been putting in that maybe you don't see yet, but it's happening in the background, it'll reverse itself because you haven't given it enough time for the fat cells to actually,
9:14Speaker 2you know, like it to actually get off the visceral fat, right? A lot of these studies are 26 to 52 weeks on these people where they're getting, you know, 18 to 20% drop in their visceral fat, something like that, right? It's somewhere around that. But this is for long periods of time, this overnight,
9:34Speaker 0have to understand that this isn't like peptides aren't magic. They are amazing. You're enhancing certain things, but you have to have a foundation,
9:43Speaker 0a strong foundation 1st. Like it's a way of life. Like you have to eat right. You have to go to the gym. You have to do all these things that build the house. You can't just have the roof on. It's not a peptide. And like, you know what I mean? Like, you have to build the foundation 1st, When you do, then the roof looks freaking rad because you're doing it. You know what I mean? Folks, visceral
10:04Speaker 1fat is fat kind of surrounding our organs, right? It's internal stuff we can't see. And that is the really dangerous stuff too. That is when people die of heart disease and other
10:15Speaker 1It takes a long time for a person to develop that visceral fat. People aren't coming out, you know, like 16 year olds unless they've been,
10:23Speaker 1you know, drinking Coca Cola every single morning as a little child growing up, and it happens, but it takes a long time to develop that fat. It's gonna take a long time to get rid of it. That's a good way to look at it. And consistency.
10:36Speaker 0yeah. So you got, we've tapped on that. So the, the, the, the, the, the belly fat is such a good 1. Better sleep, that's a good 1. There's some other positives of Tesamorelin.
10:50Speaker 0for fun, we throw it over to Alex and say like, why would, so why would you want to run a Tesamorelin over like a CJC?
11:00Speaker 0That would be a question I know people would have. Like, why would somebody wanna run Tesamorelin instead of CJC, which is probably the more popular compound?
11:20Speaker 2that is gonna create more of this, right? With CJC, it's gonna create more of this with your IGF-one levels and your growth hormone secretion, right? So it's not gonna be as a stable or as
11:39Speaker 2levels elevated, right? So that's why you would wanna take Tesamorelin. Now you are gonna have to inject more, but you're gonna be able to keep a more stable
12:12Speaker 0Don't know. Maybe we'll do the same thing, but like you got to inject a little less blah blah blah. Would that be a good comparison for me guys?
12:20Speaker 2Yeah, but I think they do a couple of different things. Like, let's say like for long term support of growth hormone, like to get long, just for somebody doing it for longer periods of time, you'd probably go with like a CJC just because you inject it less and it's just going like this. But let's say for like visceral fat or things where it's like you're trying to target certain areas,
12:37Speaker 2you would wanna go with the Tesamorelin because it's gonna do that job better. Right? Like, there's these things have different areas where they shine. Tesamorelin is 1 that shines more in the area that we've already talked about, right, which is, you know, the
13:04Speaker 2lipoprotein lipolysis. I can't think of the word, but pretty much nobody's gonna understand what that is anyway. Pretty much what it is when you're eating food, right, like your body can what that does in your liver is it's telling your body either to store this as fat, right? Or it's telling your body to store it to give it to your muscles and your body to use as energy. Right? So Tesamorelin is gonna be telling it to do it more to take that free to free up those fatty acids and to put them into muscle or to put them into energy. Right? It's gonna do like so.
13:33Speaker 2It does these other things that are pretty cool, but it also has a couple other, things that are cool,
13:38Speaker 2that are kind of interesting. What that is in older people, was helping them with their memory. Like, it's helping them with like
13:45Speaker 2remembering things. It's helping them with just being sharper on tests and stuff like that. So there is things that it can do that are that are pretty that are that are pretty cool. You know what I mean? Memory.
13:55Speaker 1I think that there's a reason I mean, look, dude, there's a reason that Tesamorelin is FDA approved and CJC isn't.
14:03Speaker 1again, and he basically and he said it, I guess 1 of the big reasons is like the consistent
14:08Speaker 1pulses of HGH that Tesamorelin is gonna cause. I think that JD, 1 good I think a better comparison actually is, like, testcipionate
14:30Speaker 1if you take Tessep, like, your testosterone levels are gonna be pretty are gonna be very consistent, right, and controllable, manageable,
14:41Speaker 1S-five hundred, right, has got this backup super long estrogen, and you start taking this on a consistent basis, your test levels start getting off the rails, right, going with too much, now our estrogen starts building up on us, right, And then things get out of control. And so I think that that is a better comparison.
15:00Speaker 1Not at what, you know, obviously, testosterone, the results, etcetera, the testosterone versus this give you. That's not the comparison.
15:13Speaker 1Like, who would be 1 of the 1 that should be taking it? Women. So I think that women are very sensitive to growth hormone, right? They do a little bit more to
15:23Speaker 1right? And I've experienced this, if they do, if they have a little bit more growth hormone output,
15:30Speaker 1they start retaining water a whole lot easier, right? That's the biggest thing. And I see women, so if they're gonna take the CJC, Ipamorelin blend, which we always recommend, you should always be taking a GHRH and a GHRP together, but that CJC, again, their growth hormone will get a little bit too high and uncontrollable, they start seeing water retention, they're like, This is the opposite of what I wanted. The Tesamorelin is a better choice because
16:07Speaker 0For a while, was Ipamorelin, now it's Tesamorelin, but dude, I'm telling you without a doubt, since I've been injecting her with that, she's ripped.
16:15Speaker 0Has ripped. Good. Her stomach's all shredded. She's got a good diet and exercises, but I totally noticed the difference. So who else, who else should be taking it? Should be?
16:27Speaker 2That need to get rid of the belly fat. That's an easy mean belly fat? Mean, like I just said, well, it's been shown in, and you know, people after a certain age that are having decline in their, in their cognition and stuff and anything like that memory, like recalling things. Yeah.
16:47Speaker 2no, but I'm just saying like it has, it's been shown already, if it's FDA approved and they're coming out that this is a benefit of it, that means that it's been extensively researched that people
16:55Speaker 2in test and testing has been done, that it has been helping people with, you their cognition. And,
17:00Speaker 2I mean, there's a couple other things as well that can help out with that. Don't know if, you know, that I obviously like to offer to people when they're asking about this because all these peptides, like we said, they're not a magic pill, right? So
17:23Speaker 2people that are going to want to use it, just kinda depending on what they're gonna wanna use it for, right? So older people can use it for certain things, and we're gonna add in a couple different compounds to try to help hit these little different areas. Now, if somebody's trying to use it for fat loss and they're
17:36Speaker 2trying to be, you know, that's what they're trying to main focus is with this. We're gonna hit them with this stack. You know what I mean? And then if they're gonna be over here and they really just want it for muscle building and- Synergy,
17:48Speaker 0like for example, well, I'll answer my own question who would be good to run it. Someone that struggles with sleep. Not going to make you sleep like a baby, but it's going to help a little bit. I speak with experience. So if you're like, you're
17:59Speaker 0trying to accomplish certain things, you want to get rid of the belly fat. If you want to sleep a little better, Cognizant,
18:09Speaker 1Old people, old people who want their bones to be dense, right? Bones get brittle as you get older, right? That's huge.
18:32Speaker 1That's why there's a JCP-two. Yeah. Right. So, like, hey, dude. Look. Look, dude. I yo, man, I got hair.
18:43Speaker 1it is not gonna make a it's not good for a grown male who's in a lot of shape really good shape and who now wants to add, like, 10, 15 more pounds of muscle. Like, sorry, dude. But They haven't. They're just not there. But, hey, but women, for sure,
19:05Speaker 1right, all of our our muscles go catabolic. They start they start, we cannot keep our muscle as well.
19:17Speaker 2definitely in a weight loss phase, for sure, adding any of these, like little, like a test and an Ipam compound definitely
19:23Speaker 2will help you retain that muscle. Like, what was just saying, get rid of the fat, but help keep that lean tissue on. You know what I mean? So that's huge for anybody. Just, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of I've worked with, even this weekend, I was talking to a client and like, shoot, they're worried about certain areas about skin tightening or if they lose too much weight or whatever. And like, this is something that's huge for that because it's like, look, it's not gonna be the
19:45Speaker 2end all be all that this is gonna work for sure, but wouldn't we wanna do the most we can to help that? Right? Like, and and that's what all this is. It's like, we're gonna if you can if you're working out, you're eating right, you're doing all these things, there's nothing more discouraging than like not seeing the results you wanna see or if it starts going the other way. Right? So we wanna try to prevent any of these loose skin or losing the muscle that you've worked so hard to get while you're feeding those pigs, right? Think
20:11Speaker 0about women in general, right? Like they spend so much freaking money on face creams and all this stuff. How do I know because I'm married? And what do you guys like spend all this money on this and that and this and then not want to take care of you like your belly and like your skin and like if like GHK-3C is like good for collagen, like why would the hell would you not do this? That's stupid.
20:32Speaker 0think there's steroids, you're so far from like, you're so wrong that I can't even explain to you. They're not even close to steroids. But that's some of the walls that are starting to come down. People are starting to understand that. Like we said it, we'll say it 1 more time, they're not magic.
20:48Speaker 2diet, everything, you're going to get benefits. It's just going to take a little while, so be patient. The funny thing I think is sometimes when people are hesitant with it, it's like, oh, well, there's not a lot of science
21:04Speaker 2of the stuff that we eat and we take without thinking about it. Advil even, right? Any of these things, right? There's science behind all of it. It's really bad for you. And you still take it, right? But they'll go
21:15Speaker 2grab some Doritos and some cheese dip, but I'm not taking a peptide. Right? Okay. But then there's science behind this and it's like, some of it's extremely promising. Right? And it's like, there's
21:25Speaker 2no promising science behind any of this other crap that we take and we use on a daily basis, but like, you're not good because there's not enough science, but there's a shit ton over here saying this is bad and it's gonna cause a lot of bad things. But this is over here going, hey, there's there's some there's some good science right here that this is actually causing some pretty cool stuff in people. And, no, I'm not gonna
21:46Speaker 1fine. All right, I got 1 for you on that same line of thought. What do you think the percentage, so we say, like in our peptides, I get people,
22:02Speaker 1Hell, there's people that say, Well, why isn't it 100% pure? Like, don't think I should take that because that's not good enough, that's not pure enough, right? What do you think the medical standard on every other medicine
22:14Speaker 1out there, what the purity standard is for it to be able to be prescribed by doctors and sold in stores by the FDA?
22:28Speaker 1So you go get Advil, right, and you get a Bayer or you get any other drug, right, it's probably it's
22:35Speaker 1gonna be less pure. The standard is 80 let's just give them a bend for the doubt, right, is 85%
22:42Speaker 1I mean, it's crazy that people, you, like, trip out on, you know, 0.5 of a percent. Things it needs to be 99.9.
22:51Speaker 2If it's not a 100, I'm not doing it. Yeah. Like, on on they did a they did a thing on Amazon the other day on all the supplements that
22:57Speaker 2I I was buying and, like, you know, fish oils and all these things. Right? And and they did a melatonin and all these and more than 0.5 of I would say, I'll just be really, really conservative, and I'll say 75%
23:12Speaker 2not what it said on the bottom. Yeah. For sure. Nobody has a problem buying it buying it. Does that does that does that, like, surprise anybody? Because it sure as hell does not surprise me. Doesn't surprise me, but I still, was still buying them. I guess when I wasn't, we all have, but like, dude, I mean, until
23:27Speaker 2I started looking into it, now there's ways to find out how they're tested, but that's why we get, I mean, that's why you, you get your research peptides from somewhere that cares and really wants to put in their effort into making sure it's above a certain percentage, right? Like,
23:45Speaker 1I don't know, man, I've worked in supplement stores and I have I think if I go add up the cumulative advantage
23:51Speaker 1that all of the kind of over the counter supplements I've ever done in my body, I bet it is negligible.
24:13Speaker 0I don't know, it's cool Yeah, they're growing so fast too because everybody's starting to understand that.
24:18Speaker 1Then again, you got lots of people, lots of just, again, the power of marketing. You put a flashy label on something, tell people
24:26Speaker 1these amazing things and they'll buy it, but not everything is all, not all peptides are created the same. Yeah. I know throughout my history of
24:35Speaker 1buying and sourcing things, I've thrown away thousands of dollars of peptides that say that they were the most legitimate source and then I've tested them and they came back as bad, right?
24:45Speaker 1Make sure you're in tests. Countless hours and thrown lots and lots and lots of money of big sources thrown down the toilet because they aren't what they say they are.
24:57Speaker 0talk about some dosages. What would you say in regards to, I think it's going be different obviously for
25:03Speaker 0women and men. I mean, it's going to be obviously subjective also, but like, what would you say would be the proper dose protocol?
25:37Speaker 1no people who have gone up to a full milligram a day. Just be careful of water retention because you have too much growth in you, but personally
26:27Speaker 020 units is the same thing. That's also 1 mg. That's what I do. I mix it with 2 mils and I take 20 units daily.
26:39Speaker 0in like, this is always my favorite subject, but, we'll answer this 1. What would you say would be a good stack
26:50Speaker 2I mean, for fat loss, I mean, great, I mean, always it's you wanna run the test of the Ipup, but then throwing something like an AOD in there, right? So really like
27:00Speaker 2for fat loss, I mean, that's a really good 1 for the stack with it. If you wanna do anything for like
27:24Speaker 2that healing, all that stuff going on in your body. And then for anti aging you could do and like mind cognition and stuff like that, you'd wanna throw it with something either with like a Tesa with like a Semax or Selank, even something like that with like, you know, NAD plus, like something for like, you know, longevity and, you know, they try to help your brain out stuff like, you know, there's so, there's a couple. You know, it depends on what your goals are. Yeah. It's always what's your objective?
27:53Speaker 1well, yeah, hell yeah. It depends on what your goals are. You know, people are like, what do I take? I don't know, dude. What do wanna do? Literally, I get that every day, bro. Then don't and then also don't give me the I know you. Yeah. And yeah. Right. And don't give me the, well, I wanna gain as much muscle as possible while losing as much fat as possible. You're doing it wrong. I understand. Me too. Food.
28:21Speaker 1hormone in our body. It does so many things, right? It helps us keep our lean muscle. It helps us burn fat. Everything that we just talked about. I think that, well, 1st of all, you should need to stack it with a GHRP,
28:36Speaker 1But I would take those 2, and those just go in the background, right? Those just get ran
28:42Speaker 1every day and then no matter what, dude, whether you wanna gain weight or lose weight, right,
29:03Speaker 1Regardless, it's 1 of these like, it's like a win win, you know? You should just be running it in the background, everybody should. Yeah.
29:10Speaker 0Like if you, it's always boils down to like, if you're somebody that wanted like a well rounded, you're not someone that knows super a ton of about peptides. My answer to that would be this. It's GH in the morning, depending on if you're a man or a woman, 1 IU for a woman, 2 IU for a man. I would take the Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin at night. That mix is always great. So you're running those 2. HGH in the morning, Securitagog at night. And I would say depending on your age, depending on your objectives, NAD probably in the morning. NAD is greatest universal. I would say a GHKCU
29:45Speaker 0skin, wrinkles. Obviously it's such an easy question to answer. And again, it circle background of what's your goal, but that would be a well rounded thing. You got HGH, you got NAD, anti aging, you got GHKCu
29:58Speaker 0for skin, and then you got the Tesamorelin, Ipamorelin mix. Boom. Bam. That was good news. Standing pretty. That stack for anybody that
30:07Speaker 1doesn't know much about peptides, those 4 would do really well for anybody. Absolutely. That'll make you look good, look good and make your brain work. I mean, NAD makes
30:28Speaker 1So and and at night, I know we talked about that hell last week, but, dude, I I mean, I love that stuff. I will wake up feeling recovered and feeling loose and a whole lot better because that's what it's actually doing.
30:45Speaker 01. That new 1, that's been, I've been running that and that's been cool. Like I've been getting a little bit more carbs these days, which is like thin for my channel because it's high fat, high protein, but if I'm gonna eat, I ate some sushi last night, I just did a little shot of IGF-one right before I ate sushi and it feels good. Yeah, because it's a nutrient partitioner, right? It just sucks up those nutrients
31:28Speaker 0You're not tied to any company, so you're able to talk very freely about just different supplement stack, peptide stack, supplement stacks, creatine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the above. Where can people find you if you're looking for- get ahold of somebody that can help you put a stack together, even if it's a diet,
32:02Speaker 0You cut out. Say that 1 more time. Make sure you get that in there for you. The phone number or everything? Yeah, cut out. Okay.
32:19Speaker 1Dude, Alex is very helpful. Like, literally anytime, any snack I ever do, I really discuss it with him. He does a lot of the designing for me and it has been for the last couple of years.
32:43Speaker 0put his information in the description. If you want some questions answered on Stacks,
32:47Speaker 0any type of supplement Stacks, he knows a lot about a lot. So we'll put them in there. Alex, it's been amazing, bro. Stoked to finally have you on your hard man to track down. We finally like,
33:01Speaker 0for the rest of you guys, it's always a pleasure. Hope you enjoyed it. We will catch you next week.