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0:56Speaker 2I am your host, JD Denham, and not across the way from me for the 1st time sitting right next to me today. Actually, you've sat next to me a few times back when we 1st started. Before though, before started.
1:08Speaker 3My good friend and cohost, mister William T. Haas. What's up, man? It's good to be here. I'm like floating also against this black background.
1:16Speaker 2I'm gonna throw a black shirt. Yep. We got a lot of people in this room right now. It's a little hot. We gotta turn the AC off, so that's part of the game. But we got 2 gentlemen sitting across the way,
1:31Speaker 2ER doctor. Whoo. He has seen some stuff, so we wanna dig into that. That's gonna be a good conversation,
1:55Speaker 1who are you? Tell us a little bit about you. All right. Well, my name is Sam Borge. I'm a physician.
2:46Speaker 3I think it's and it's looked it looks incredible, and everybody tells me that. Like, damn, why does it look so good? Because I didn't go to Turkey and do it like everybody else. But
2:56Speaker 3you being a ER doc, which means you're doing surgery and have to have good hands, like, damn, that the hair transplant is a labor intensive process. It still blows my mind that you I couldn't do it. My big ass dumb hands would like
3:15Speaker 1a different type of a surgery, you know, the kind of surgical procedures I've been used to are
3:41Speaker 2Let's put it that way. You said though that it's time something's happened in your life and it's time to kind of change the pace. Now is that coming from you, is that coming from your bride? That's
3:54Speaker 1I'm married. Both sides. We all are. Both sides are involved in that decision, I think. Yeah. But honestly,
4:20Speaker 1being able to take care of your family and spend time with your kids and watching them grow. And so think that really
4:28Speaker 1was the driving factor in all of this. And, yeah, my wife likes it too. Because I'm working less nights. I'm not working on the weekends and yeah. So But you still are working hard. Like, you just came here. You've been at work for 24 hours. That's true. I yeah. I've been working 24 hours. You drove straight here. Right? Yeah, I mean- You're used to it.
5:03Speaker 220 years in an ER with what you see on a daily basis, which for most of us, we wouldn't want to see it for a day. So
6:20Speaker 1You know, we are professionals when we are at work. Yeah, you're in the zone. We're in the zone. We're taking care of patients.
6:30Speaker 1that may not go as planned with 1 patient affect how you take care of it. Yeah, you stay emotionally detached from it. You have to. Yeah, you have to. You do. Right. You can't do this job otherwise.
6:41Speaker 2I don't know if this is gonna like be the right way to to articulate this question, but
6:46Speaker 2like snipers, for example, are a certain breed. They're cut from a certain cloth. Is an ER doctor cut from a certain cloth? Because that's what if you, when you were in med school, that's what you chose. Because you're talking about like high pace, like we've all been in an ER, like, shit. Woah, You deal with that every day, day in, day out, probably days at a time.
7:06Speaker 2Is it a certain cloth that you you all are touching, you think? I think I I think there definitely is a
7:18Speaker 1You know, it's kind of an interesting thing when you go through med school, you're basically
7:23Speaker 1going to classes for 4 years with the same people. You get to know some of your classmates. And then at the end of med school, when everybody chose their specialties and sort of settled where they wanted to be,
7:47Speaker 1tend to be kind of more social. We get along with people. Can communicate in general pretty
8:20Speaker 1it's important to be able to kind of establish that rapport with the patient in a very short time so I can get the information I need to best treat
8:36Speaker 3that everybody who is super calm and laid back and not a is the 1 who does well in the Yeah. I I think you're right. And that's it. You definitely have to roll with punches,
8:47Speaker 1you can't really get too stressed out in in these situations because Right. Well, the patient sense it too when you're like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sure. No. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, the nursing staff senses it. I mean, even even amongst emergency physicians, there's a little bit of varying temperament, but in general, yeah, we are more laid back. We can deal with with the stress and we
9:07Speaker 3handle it a lot better than some of the other. Types of doctors out there. Does every doctor have to start or at least do their internship or I know that I forget the word, but you know it, in an ER?
9:19Speaker 3Is that like the always the starting point? No, not necessary. Do you have to do any type of training like mandatory in an ER? So
9:30Speaker 1take the 1st couple years, it's basically book time. Okay. You're just, you're just learning and you take boards,
9:40Speaker 1which is a standardized test all across the board, and then you start the last 2 years rotations where you're actually working clinically. So you're no longer in that kind of school setting, you're out there. And some
10:03Speaker 1learn a lot about yourself as you do those rotations. You you kind of ask yourself, can I do this
10:10Speaker 1for the rest of my career? Can I can I work in this type of aesthetic? Is this something that's gonna make me happy? And and I think that helps differentiate
10:19Speaker 3pathways for students. It kind of strikes me as, like, because he's right, all these questions, that is absolutely true. It seems like that's a rough job for 20 years and there's a way easier way to do it, right?
10:29Speaker 3Narc Go to is just be a family- It is rough. Family doctor. Yeah. It's it's satisfying It's satisfying. For for
10:39Speaker 1that we are. Life? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes. It's good know. It doesn't always go, you know, like that. You know? Sure. You deal with
10:46Speaker 1things that don't work out the way you intend, and you always you're playing with fire all the time. Somebody's gonna get burst, you know, occasionally, and that's just
10:57Speaker 2part of of doing the job. But, yeah, it is very fulfilling when it goes well. But do you I don't know if he answers if he did, I'm sorry, but I wanna ask it again because I'm curious. So is 20 years a general or is that a long time? Would imagine most people fizzle out within what, maybe 10 most? Or do some of the practice? I I think Yeah. I think I think emergency physicians, they
11:19Speaker 1they do branch out, but 20 years, yeah, it's a long time. I'm not sure, like, what the the true average is, how many Yeah. How many people last that long, but
11:30Speaker 1to do it for 20 plus years. Yeah. I mean, there's people out there that are doing it for 30 years, 35 years before they before they yeah. 20 years of anything. You gotta love it. Yeah. You gotta love it. I mean, I do love it. I I really do.
11:47Speaker 1it forever, and it's difficult to do it while you're giving the appropriate focus to family.
12:00Speaker 1do different things. Yeah. But, yeah, I do love it. And a lot of the ER docs I know, they do love it. Trying something different, evolving. I mean, we're supposed to. Evolving. Exactly. Right? I
12:14Speaker 2has changed in those 20 years. Do you what like, kind of break that down a little bit. That's kind of intriguing. What did you mean? Yeah.
12:22Speaker 1There's a lot of there's been a lot of changes even from the time that I started. I mean, I think 1 of the things when you're
13:11Speaker 3I Let's get back to you, Todd. We want you to make your introduction of yourself. Sure.
13:16Speaker 4Before we get lost and forget about it. That's all good, man. That's all good. So I've been in this business for 15 years. I'm the general manager here. I basically consider myself the utility man. I do everything. You know, I can assist her in the surgery,
13:38Speaker 4when I went in there, you were the artistic 1, right? Correct. Yep. It helped us. If I remember. Yep. Yep. We do it together, but I get it started. Yes. Keep it nice and natural looking. Yes. Yeah. And by the way, your hair is looking great. So everybody understands this, it's only 4 months. Yeah. So you're still in the infancy of it. It's just gonna keep getting better and better and better. Yeah. Well, thank you. That's exciting. Yeah. No. It looks great. And Blake, when you just you guys, you know, you I went in there and
14:05Speaker 3you took a Sharpie to my head, right? Yep. And said, okay, here's how we're gonna make your hairline. And you said, you don't want
14:16Speaker 3distance away, right? Because you're walking around- You can draw attention to it. Yep. And I thought it was really interesting, I guess, was to make sure that we put some hair on the sides because that's what frames
14:31Speaker 3you got no frame and now we just kind of look strange with some hair on the top. A little hair hat. But also you
14:42Speaker 4And uneven on purpose. Right. And that's how it grows naturally. Right? So when you push it back, it's not a straight line. Right? You can't tell you had a hair transplant. Whereas
14:51Speaker 3the opposite- That's the goal. Right? In other countries, they may not do that or cannot. No. Yeah. You can just see in their advertising, they're not doing it. Yeah. Especially in Turkey. Yeah. You know, I'm
15:01Speaker 4not saying they don't do good work. They do. The hair grows, but it's not as natural looking. Yeah. Yeah. And
15:15Speaker 4you told me that there were specific hairs that you implanted there. That's correct. Tell me about that. Remind me. Along the very front of the hairline, we actually use single hairs. Okay? For most of you, if you don't understand, a hair graft has 1 to 4 hairs in it. And if you stick 1 in the front that has 4 in it, you can see it a mile away, especially for guys like you and I with very soft hairs. That means 1 follicle,
15:37Speaker 14 hairs grow out of it. Right? That's the average thing. So is that average? I'm sorry. What's the average
15:44Speaker 4per graft. That's right. So you and I have a lot of ones and twos. I can just tell by looking at you have fine hair. Right? He has a lot of threes and fours wise. Hair stood aren't thick. Lucky bastard. Right? Okay.
15:57Speaker 4they have a petri dish that had and then the quadrants, right, has ones, twos, threes, and fours. That way, know where to place them, but we always put little singles in the very front to keep it soft and natural looking. And in fact, too, we try to pull those hairs from the side because they're even softer than the hairs from the back. Nope. There's a lot of artistry in all these. Put
16:15Speaker 3Yeah. The hair so it is A 100%. The right way as opposed to pointing like this way? Yeah. So when when you're making incisions to kind of create
16:24Speaker 1the outline Yeah. For where these grafts are gonna go, It's the angle is very important. The sort of the balance is very important.
16:41Speaker 1That takes time and it takes, you know, you sort of have to be spatially oriented and kind of look at a big canvas and
16:53Speaker 3balance. And that's important. You know, just like everything else in the medical and surgeries, like usually, well, in this whole world, everything is automated.
17:06Speaker 3a way to do that without humans? And I don't even know if it's possible. Sure, sounds like it's probably not a good idea. So
17:17Speaker 4don't have it, but my understanding is a lot of the times the physician has to go back in and do a lot of the extraction and do a lot of the site making
17:25Speaker 4on top of the machine doing it to keep it looking natural. The human hand has to be involved. No. Seriously, that's what we found. I think I think also,
17:35Speaker 1the feel of when you're doing the procedure, like, the machine can't always sense, like, how deep things have to go when the certain give in the needle occurs.
17:55Speaker 3quality of the transplant. So, these sort of things you pick up when you do the procedure and you kind of get that feel for And I could hear it all. Mean, like, as your I couldn't feel it, I think, because you guys numbed me up appropriately, but I could You can hear in your own ears
18:11Speaker 3the puncture going cutting through the skin. It's like a little crunch. Yeah, it's like little crunch.
18:17Speaker 3You have to have no way to stop. You can't just chisel it and go bang and make 1, right? The
18:29Speaker 3everybody, I've got my hair transplant and this podcast is about talking about peptides and
18:35Speaker 3getting, I don't know, getting healthy, everybody getting healthy, happy, living your life better, doing anything that makes us If you look better, you feel better, you play better.
18:45Speaker 3We're talking a little bit about this and this is what you guys do. Give us a quick Or tell us how it goes. If I'm a new patient, from start to finish, kind of how a hair transplant
18:54Speaker 3goes. We just talked about a little bit of it, but I don't know. Share the mic somewhere. It's a process. I mean, know, the
19:02Speaker 1whole procedure itself will take somewhere between 6 to 8 hours, depending on how many grafts we're working on. So, if you take 3,000
19:30Speaker 1it doesn't have as much of an effect on the hairs in the back. Really? So, that's why we take hairs from that area, but you essentially have to remove 3000 hairs, Geez. Make 3,000
19:44Speaker 3And when you say remove, it's not plucking hairs. It's literally cutting out the entire circular It's
19:52Speaker 4Oh. Yeah. And you put it in 4 4 different compartments in the petri dish? Yeah, that way they can understand we got ones, twos, threes, and fours. Yeah, you wanna make sure you don't put any of those heavy ones up in the front because you can see them a mile away. Wow, yeah. A
20:05Speaker 1lot of it has to do with kind of the optical illusion. The artist. Right? Yeah, the artistry of it, you take
20:11Speaker 1some of the grafts, the the grafts that have 3 or 4 hairs, you basically get more coverage if you put those in the thinner areas in the back. And it's not as, you know, aesthetically important,
20:24Speaker 1but what you want is some density back there. And that's kind of what helps because you have a very limited, you have a limited number of grafts that you can work with. And that number is what? I know we did something like 3,000 or something like that. Is that right? So, I mean, in 10, maybe. Yeah. It depends on on everybody's a little different, but it's somewhere between 6
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21:45Speaker 3grafts in the donor zone. Right. And that's why you can you can't obviously take all of them out because then you'll be bald in the back. And those will never be, those are not growing back. So they're taking the follicle out. You're taking the whole follicle out. So- There is no recovery time. I was actually, I had it in my brain like, alright, I gotta wait, you know, 6 months and then those will replenish themselves back here. Yeah, they don't grow back, but
22:20Speaker 1kind of convert them back into the healthier part of the process or, you know, and those hairs that are miniaturized
22:33Speaker 3but you not get new follicles. They don't regenerate. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. But so some people can be like halfway bald. They do it bad.
22:49Speaker 4when we do the FU-3C, we spread it over such a large area. Because if you do too many too close together, you'll be able to see through your hair, it looks patchy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you've done it for 15 years, you said? Yes, sir. Yep. In the 15 years, has the process changed?
23:04Speaker 4Oh, it's pretty much been this way for It's similar. Some of the tools have changed. The artistry has definitely changed depending on where you are.
23:11Speaker 4I'm pretty anal about that stuff. It's, you know, my name's on it, so I wanna make sure that it looks very natural. Like, we take into consideration the age appropriate hairlines, etcetera. Yeah. Guys want these straight hairlines across the front. We're not gonna do that. Yeah. African American, yes, we'll do that, or maybe Hispanic because they like to line it up nice and straight.
23:30Speaker 4But for a white boy like yourself, I'm not gonna do that. Yeah. Like, I'll argue in circles with these guys. They're like, oh, they're rounded off. No. Rounded hairlines are for females. That's right. Yeah. There's male hairlines and female hairlines. Now they draw this mic. Don't go what's good for you. We're not doing that. Sorry. Has there been a difference in like, so in the last 15 years, has there been a difference in
23:48Speaker 2what you've seen come in like more men losing their hair maybe because diet or lack of nutrition or overweight?
23:55Speaker 4The plethora of stuff that we deal with. I would say it's the same, to be honest. I haven't really noticed much difference.
24:03Speaker 4Are getting a lot more patients coming in now that are concerned about eyebrows and we do facial hair as well,
24:22Speaker 1They're they're more inclined to do that probably now than they have been in the past. And I think especially, like, men. I mean, you know, women kind
24:30Speaker 1of have been Yeah. As you choose more open to it. Right. But but men are becoming more open to it because not only, I mean, you look better, you feel better. And that's an important part of it. Having improved
24:41Speaker 1morale helps you in a lot of components of your life. That confidence will this Quite a bit in regards to The stigma. Botox. Yeah. Materneeding Botox,
24:51Speaker 2most People do like Yeah. The stigma of all of these things. It wasn't okay. It wasn't manly before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay, you can age well. Yeah, you can age well. Exactly. You can age well, look good. You're losing your hair. I mean, I'm just gonna wear a hat.
25:07Speaker 3rather have the hair transplant than anything with a dentist, but I would like to go under general anesthesia for my next dental- Especially the root canal.
25:15Speaker 3Just, when I was a little kid, they forgot to, they were giving me a filling and they, so that jagged needle that they put in the well, they usually put the topical anesthetic on you 1st.
25:27Speaker 3and I could just and I was a little kid, and I didn't wanna say anything. I knew it was coming. I was like, yep. But, oh, well, oh my god. I can still just feel it in my bones. Yeah. That hurt really bad. So I'm always Oh, there's different yeah. There are different ways to do local anesthesia. I mean, sometimes they're doing nerve blocks. So you basically just do 1 injection,
25:44Speaker 1try to anesthesize the whole nerve, which may take out a part of the jaw or even a part of the scalp. Like, we can do nerve blocks as well to kind of make it a little bit easier. And I yeah. And, like, to be fair, I remember so I'm a big guy. I metabolize things very fast. Also,
26:14Speaker 3real fast. I had my, was playing basketball several years ago and had my, I got an elbow to my lip and it was cutting like in 0.5, like down to down to the skin, right? And I went to the ER and they gave me a little injection,
26:28Speaker 3said, I'll be back in 15 minutes, tell me it'll be numb, we'll do stitches. Like, the doc had to come back 4 times. Yeah. I'm like, nope, still feel it. Another 1, still feel it. And then at the end, I'm like, dude, it's just not gonna just do the stitches. They're definitely Feel everything. It's okay.
26:41Speaker 4Varying degrees Did not work. Metabolizing it. Yeah. He knows that. Patients patients are different. So Yeah. I think when you work out and you're in shape, it makes a difference too. He knows I burned through it quick too. Towards the end, I'm like, can feel that a little bit. I mean, it's not brutal.
27:00Speaker 3more. It doesn't hurt more. You just put color in at the end of the day. At the very end of the day. That's it, when you're just beat up and fragile, and that's why it hurts so much. And
27:26Speaker 3medical advice, but I take peptides because I like them and I take them for all healing me everywhere else. And so I did, hell, I use my GHKCU
27:52Speaker 3that has made it grow back so well and not ever, like Is that common? Fallen out, but is that common? Or what you guys do for follow-up boosters? So, yeah, everybody's different. It's it's difficult
28:31Speaker 1-one 157, TB-five 100 probably, you know, with the angiogenesis helping with some of the blood flow. You know, those
29:01Speaker 1a full hair restoration clinic. Our bread and butter is hair transplant, but there are
29:44Speaker 3do more than just hair transplant. So I think there are options for people. What about medication? So I actually, because so easily, like I probably lost some of my hair because I was doing testosterone.
30:20Speaker 4Why did I take it? You're taking it to block the conversion of DHT basically from testosterone to DHT. DHT miniaturizes
30:27Speaker 4the hair follicles and then eventually won't come back. So this helps block the miniaturization. That's right. And what does minoxidil do? Minoxidil will help with vasodilation
30:40Speaker 1It takes some time for those medicines to really fully work, but a lot of times it's important to concomitantly do the medication
30:54Speaker 3successful transplant. Good. Is Benoxidil like a weak form of Viagra or something? Yeah,
31:10Speaker 1It just helps blood flow. Yep. Your body wants to push blood somewhere, it opens it up to push blood. Yeah. Through nitric oxide, it'll help with blood flow vasodilator. Yeah. It it works a bit differently. I mean, as far as,
31:35Speaker 4What's the cost? Are we talking Sure. About So, we average about $3 per graft basically. So, normally FUE is $3.50 a graft and then FUT, which is the strip method, the older method is $3 per graft. It's great. It's real easy pricing
31:51Speaker 4Everything's included, all the medications included, you don't to go pick it up at the pharmacy.
31:55Speaker 4There's no tax. People don't realize that a lot of times on medical procedures. So if I say it's $9, it's $9 out the door. There's no hidden costs. We don't charge you for some places charge you for like the gowns, they charge you for your aftercare meds, none of that stuff. So real simple pricing. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of variability in pricing out I think 1 of the things that's important for us is
32:22Speaker 1all too often, yes, is labor intensive, but it's, our model is to kind of make it more accessible.
32:29Speaker 4But there are lots out there charging $30. Well, was gonna say the kind of work we do, we should be getting $5 a graph. The issue is it's very competitive. Like, I think we do some of the best work around, honestly. This guy's got it locked in. And what did your neighbor remember?
32:45Speaker 2Remember your neighbor? Well, I had no idea. Had never even looked into it and my neighbor had had it and I was like, I'm starting to leave my hair on top.
32:54Speaker 2I literally had no clue. I'd never looked into it, had no desire to do that. And then he's outside wired in his lawn in the backyard. I'm in the backyard. I'm like, Hey, man. I said, So you had the hair transplant. I'm all, what does that cost? Like, you know, and he's like,
33:18Speaker 2did he wear a hat? Was he in Newport Beach? Most likely. I don't know where he got it done, but that's where we lived. But I had no clue if that was the cost of it, but his looked like crap. I hope he hasn't listened. I haven't spent that kind money. Well,
33:41Speaker 3a lot more sense to go to you guys because even just straight price wise, like all of the money that I would spend and time off of work and hassle in travel,
33:53Speaker 3made up the difference of me just having to drive to San Diego. I did get a hotel room there
34:06Speaker 1wise to be like that, but we don't let you drive after the procedure. Well, right. Right. Yeah. So you're telling us about okay. Maybe that's why. And they're curious because I'm like, you know, me, I've never looked into it. You know? I'm
34:19Speaker 4There is financing available. Yes. And you guys finance? We don't finance at the house. We have several companies for 1 with financing.
34:30Speaker 1for patients to do it. I mean, I think also that we talked about the difference between,
34:33Speaker 1you know, going to Turkey, price, maybe part of it, but it's a different experience here. You know, I contact every single 1 of my patients.
34:52Speaker 1not necessarily, it doesn't work like that when you use somebody on a continent and far away and has your money and
35:09Speaker 2bedside manner, I guess, is the way to say that. So is that what you're trying to do? Because you're talking about
35:25Speaker 1part of, like, what I really wanna do. I mean, this is a transition, yeah, from the ER to doing transplant, I think
35:42Speaker 120 years, I see patients at the kind of the tail end of their disease process and that emergency situation where something bad really happened to them, and you
36:09Speaker 1and, you know, age well. Yeah. And this is hair is 1 component of it, but there's there's other things I like to be to do and I'm already kind of working on. Tell us about those things. So what's next? What are you doing now? What else is what other projects do you guys have? So, yeah, we're
36:25Speaker 11 of things I'm doing now, I'm working with another doctor, a buddy of mine, also an ER doc, and we're gonna be
37:02Speaker 1corporate medicine has sort of dissolved some of that patient physician relationship that really makes medicine
37:10Speaker 1special. So, you know, it's important for us to try to focus on that. And so we wanna do something different in the telehealth world. Like what? What are some of those?
37:31Speaker 1of convey what's important to them, what's gonna make them better, where they see themselves
37:56Speaker 1kind of treatment plans. We're getting started, we're gonna be definitely incorporating
38:04Speaker 1these, making adjustments to plans. And, you know, a lot of times, we don't see that in a lot of these bigger telehealth websites. You know, it's about Turn to burn. Yeah. Exactly. Get get you on a subscription
38:23Speaker 3her friend told her, Hey, this is what I do. They're like, All right, I just want to get that. And I just want to I'll just find the easiest way to get that. Right. Even though that totally may not be right for her whatsoever
38:39Speaker 3right, and just told her all about the good highlights and not about anything bad. Right. She just goes, Oh, I just want this for cheap.
38:58Speaker 2doctors have lost some steps and rightfully so, they prescribed stuff and they didn't know what was in it. So I would imagine that's affected
39:05Speaker 2how you're treated. I don't know if it would bleed on to maybe ER doctors as much as maybe certain doctors,
39:17Speaker 2right? And they deserve that trust because you guys have worked for it. But if you're prescribing something to somebody you don't know what's in it, that's a problem.
39:31Speaker 2problems with doctors is because of that. So if you just get back to, I think kind of the basics and doing what you just said, which is great,
39:49Speaker 2That's how doctors should get back to, I think. And if you do that, I mean, that's Sure. I mean, medicine is not a 1 size fits all plan. And
39:57Speaker 1I think that's a lot of the time in some of these clinics that there's protocols, you fall into this category and you're going to get this treatment. And that's not always the right move. I agree with you. I mean,
40:10Speaker 1we've strayed a little bit certain ways. You know, I think that we've also put in a lot of time and a lot of years and and we've we've studied a lot and it's a
40:23Speaker 15 minute chat GPT conversation doesn't always cover, you know, what we know. So, you know, there is
40:50Speaker 1I think in general, like, you know, there should be some value. Have you noticed patients
41:00Speaker 3And starting with COVID, I think was the 1st, well, maybe not 1st, but like, right, it really opened a lot of people's eyes, made a lot of people skeptical
41:14Speaker 3And I guess it'd be for everybody. But yeah, have you noticed a change in how people have
41:24Speaker 1that time was a very unique time. Right? So you're talking about a global pandemic Mhmm. With
41:39Speaker 1it was all unknown, like, how this is gonna turn out, but I showed up. Like, I went there every single
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42:06Speaker 5Hydrates better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration.
42:11Speaker 1Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
42:35Speaker 1especially at the very beginning, we didn't know if were gonna die. Sick. Yeah, because
42:40Speaker 1there were doctors that were dying. So, but, you know, we felt it was important to take care of people and even
42:50Speaker 1the other docs out there, a lot of specialists, they closed up shop. They stayed at home. But,
43:14Speaker 1You didn't think I'm gonna make what it's yet, right? So if the things were just coming out of left field, it didn't really make much sense. Sure. I think
43:28Speaker 1moral blow, like, when that was occurring. Yeah. Because, you know, honestly, that's now I was thinking about it. I was like, listen, I'm needed right now. Like, I yeah. I'm I'm here. I saw plenty of people die. I mean, like, you saw people dying in the waiting room. Like, it was it was happening. Like,
43:44Speaker 1it was real deal. And then, you know, things kind of dust started settling a little bit. You know? Some of the vaccinations came out and
44:07Speaker 2Know, get But back to I think it's easy to do that because you've already said it. You have earned your right for the respect. You have done things that we don't want to do. I don't want to go to school for 20 years. I know it's 20 years, but you know what I mean? You've earned it. And I you're a
44:22Speaker 2think it'd be very easy, which is just do what you were trying to do is spend some time with the people and learn about them and try to
44:46Speaker 2really start to want to get healthy. And that's amazing because the food we eat is shit, it's poison. There we breathe is shit, it's poison. I could go on and on and off. I mean, the food is fake and you know what I mean? And people finally know that. Now we can start to seek
45:02Speaker 2true health, which why are peptides amazing? Because they're chains of amino acids, you know, I mean, there's other things that you need to do. But that's great. Yeah, I mean, focusing on kind
45:37Speaker 1process or even keeping people healthy, mean, that's all and all. We shouldn't be doing that. That's a problem. So,
45:45Speaker 1and you guys talk about it. This is a gray area a lot of times, unfortunately, but it's going to change.
45:55Speaker 3met you a while ago, several months ago, right? And you came in here and you were starting to go, Okay, I'm a doctor, I want to learn more about peptides, right? You said, I hear nothing but good things, but
46:11Speaker 3You did tell us, you go, I guess when we were saying goodbye, you're like, okay, well, I need to go
46:20Speaker 3I can even He get into the said, got lot of research to do, right? And that is the right attitude.
46:37Speaker 1we consider ourselves lifelong learners. Like, I don't want to stop learning. Like, things are going to evolve.
46:44Speaker 1And I'm gonna, you know, I want to be there, like, evolving too. Like, I don't want to be stagnant. Like, sure, I can save you. I can save your ass if I need to, like, in emergency.
47:01Speaker 1be happy with their day to day life and improve their day to day existence too. The science is there. Science is there.
47:17Speaker 3things that they didn't even know was in there. So my 1st ringing bell is OxyContin, right? Like OxyContin.
47:29Speaker 3Doctors were just, Oh, medical rep, tell me what I should give them. Okay, I'll give them that. Right?
47:49Speaker 3Unfortunately, so there's a devil's advocate argument, right? So you don't want me to give people, you don't want me to give people things that I am not 100 sure what
47:58Speaker 3they do and what the long term repercussions are? Well, shit, that means I can't give people
48:05Speaker 1We don't know much about them quite yet. Yeah. I mean, we all kind of know that there's
48:19Speaker 1some promising, like- Benefits. Benefits. You and you can't, like, close your eyes to them. Like, it
48:30Speaker 1gonna be more information. There's gonna be more studies. There's gonna be well designed studies that are gonna potentially show the therapeutic
48:39Speaker 1And that's just science. I mean, it's gonna take time. Unfortunately, we lag sometimes behind it, and there's gonna be the early adopters. Right? And those those are the guys
49:00Speaker 1close minded. I'm to be willing to change. I'm going to do my research. I'm going to learn.
49:26Speaker 3forecast all of just because they're so simple, some of them. Like KPV is lysine, proline, and valine.
49:35Speaker 3see what just looking at it and knowing what we know to know what the potential bad things this could possibly do even long term? Because it's so simple, right? Shouldn't we be able to
49:58Speaker 1Like, what happens if you change a balance of something within you know, this so these kind of things, they take time. However Yeah. You know, there's
50:23Speaker 2Literally be blunt. Like, either the doctors, like, get on board or the trains are passing. Because people want to be healthy in peptides. I mean, the chains of amino acids. I'm not saying they don't have any type of risk, but compared to some of the medications that are prescribed to people on a daily basis, they have little to none. Yeah, I think Even the government's kinda coming on board. At this point, right? Didn't RFK
51:09Speaker 1But nevertheless, you still have to kind of do it in a conservative fashion. You don't, you know, I don't think you're gonna throw 12 peptides a year back.
51:28Speaker 3So, you know, they that's gonna there's gonna be a learning curve there for sure. So, Todd, you're buff, leaching. You're ripped up when you see your veins. Like, what do you take?
51:37Speaker 4So What do you do for your physical health, basically? Like, everything. So it's interesting. I am now I'll be 57 years old in September. K. 57.
51:55Speaker 4I know, I should probably change some things, but that's I've been doing the same thing for a very long time. What does the workout look like? Basically
52:04Speaker 4both bi tri workout, shoulders, then legs again. Didn't move my legs for like 20 years since I've had 6 knee surgeries. We played ball, we played ball, but my kids were like, Dude, you have chicken legs. I get that all the time So
52:17Speaker 4we're back in on the legs. Yeah. And that's definitely helpful. Now I'm also taking Retta,
52:25Speaker 4BP-one hundred 57, and then I take 1 cc a week of testosterone, which I started at 50. You know, I'm not a doctor. I can't give advice, but I would say for most men, you need to look into it. It's game changing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we talk about this all the time. Yeah. So we everybody knows where our stance is. And for those of you out there who think, oh, you're in shape because you're taking that, it's because it's not 1 cc because that's all they'll give you, right? They're not gonna give you 400
52:53Speaker 4bodybuilders take. Even then. Yeah, right. Absolutely. I'm just trying to stay lean and in shape. What you said is consistency.
53:02Speaker 4And I have a 10 a wife who's 10 years younger, so that's motivating, and she works out harder than I do. So, yeah, I think we all do actually. She's all she's into fitness. Dude, she'll work out for an hour and 0.5, and I'm out of there in 45 minutes. Yeah. Right? Yeah. She'll shame me, and I'm like, hey. At least it's working for me. Yeah.
53:18Speaker 4And kids, you have some active kids? Yes. I have stepchildren. Right. Yep. I got a 15 year old, a 13, and a 12. Boys, all boys. So it's been great. Yep.
53:27Speaker 313, 15, 12. Damn. Yeah. So it's in, like, full force. Yeah. Met him when they were very young. Breaking stuff. Yeah. My wife and I have been together almost 9 years now. So, yeah, it's been good. Good for you. Stepfather's good stuff. She is, man. Yep. Yeah. I've me too. Like, I have a 9 year old. I guess I'm not actually a stepfather, but basically I live with him and my girlfriend's a child and we love him and he's a boy.
53:53Speaker 4causing trouble and but at least he wants to throw balls and- Yep. Wait till they get in sports script. You'll end up coaching like I did. I had no idea what to be a coach, and I've turned out to love it. Yeah. Did coach you've said that you're now coaching his tackle football team? Yeah. It looks like I got nominated to be the head coach of 11 u Pop Warner teams. That'll be new.
54:13Speaker 4Done a lot of that flag football coaching in the past. And then last year, I coached a girls high school flag football team, which was awesome. That's actually the fastest growing sport in the country is girls flag football. I hear about that. I hear people who tell us that they have a daughter and playing flag football and it's silly. It's something. I'm
54:30Speaker 4barely 5 10 and some of these girls are 6 feet tall that are on the team. It's crazy. And they're went to that. Last time I went to Hawaii, we were on the plane with the women's,
54:39Speaker 3they had the women's Hawaiian team. Okay. In flag football, they were just coming back from playing the, like, national championship game, and they had just won
54:50Speaker 3Well, Sydney, it's all other girls their age playing football. And it'll be in the Olympics now too. Really? Which is great. Oh, really? Really? Yeah. Wow. Yep. Girls or both? Girls. I don't know about men. I know about women. For sure. Yeah. Awesome. That's interesting. Well, coaching football, so I when I graduated college and and I played college football, my my best friend was the
55:09Speaker 3hit, was the athletic director of the junior high that I went to. Okay. Where I'm from, we do junior high, 7th, 8th, and 9th grade, and only 8 and 9th graders can play football. So he called me up and said, hey, do wanna be able to be a coach? So I was the head coach
55:23Speaker 3of the 8th grade, which is JV, right? The 8th graders, he was the head coach of the varsity, but as the D coordinator of the
55:43Speaker 3just, you know, sitting with them before practice and say like, Dude, you'd better do your homework. Like, it's not cool to not do your homework and smoke weed. And then not eligible and
55:53Speaker 3that sucks. And then put a helmet on. So we didn't have enough guys and some of these guys were the 1st time ever. Sure. And
55:59Speaker 3I mean, there were plenty of practices where I just put a helmet on. I'm like, right, you offense, scrimmage, we have like 6 guys on playing middle linebacker.
56:18Speaker 3Nice. But I spent a month with them pre pregame before the 1st game, practicing, practicing, practicing. And then 1st we kick off, great. They get the ball. And I got a defense, get out there. Everybody knows their positions. We've been practicing, right? They all run out and I have my D linemen are back where safeties
56:41Speaker 3all the parents behind me are like, what's that coachman doing? They're like, get your positions, people. But they figured it out, luckily. And after a couple of weeks, I thought I had 1 of the mothers said, Hey, can
56:59Speaker 3she'd said nothing but positive stuff. Said like, the kids love you. Okay, good. And this is like the best they were worried about football. This is the best experience they've ever had. I
57:07Speaker 3guess I maybe say good things about myself, but it really rewarding and those kids remembered me forever.
57:13Speaker 3Well, no. It's time So, consuming and it was fun, man. Selfless job. Right? It really is because it's a lot of time. Yeah. A lot of time. Especially football. Like, you have to plan every inch of practice. Yes. Right? Yep. Every day. They mean a mentor,
57:28Speaker 4children. Mean, that's- And you are mentoring. You're giving a lot of life lessons while you're out there too. It's actually really good. It's a great experience.
57:48Speaker 4been listening, they've been intrigued, they wanna reach out, how they get ahold of you? Yeah, so the best way to get ahold of us and come directly to me, right? Don't call the office. I don't wanna go into the salespeople, you come directly to me. It's
58:04Speaker 4Okay. Right? Easy. We'll put it on there too. That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll get back to you really quickly. Sweet.
58:10Speaker 4Tell them maybe that they heard about you from this. Yeah. And if you're not in the state, that doesn't matter, right? We can do a
58:17Speaker 3online consultation. Sweet. Which is not a problem, right? And you get to fly, you get a, you get an excuse to go to San Diego. That's right. The only great area? Nothing wrong with that. It was inside. Nice, man. It was inside. It's great. I grew up going to that beach. Good stuff. Well, it's been a pleasure gentlemen.
58:38Speaker 3Cool. Look forward to seeing what you guys are doing. Like I'm always interested, I guess every new doctor with
58:58Speaker 2We're hustling. Good. You're stuck. Other than that, make sure that you join our Peptide of the Week
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59:17Speaker 2liberation, baby. There's a lot of cool new info too that I just put up there. Yeah. Awesome. Nice. And if you didn't watch last, what it dropped yesterday, the the podcast with Paul back to here, that was a that was a great podcast, so make sure you listen to that 1. That was rad. Other than that, we will catch you on the next round. Take care. Good, folks. Appreciate you. Thank you, guys.