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0:47Speaker 1cohost, William T. Haas, getting ready for the damn Super Bowl. That's right. Yeah. I'm still here. Super Bowls this weekend. I'm excited. Are you, do you got big hopes for your team? Yes,
1:03Speaker 2have redemption hopes because the last time that we played the Patriots in the Super Bowl was like crushing.
1:12Speaker 2that game, that was a great game. Like that is like definition of sports and like why, why people like love sports is because that thing was like up and down. And then we, on the 1 yard line at the very end of the game,
1:24Speaker 2we had the best running back in the league who could run over everybody in Marshawn Lynch. We decided to give too cute and tried to throw the ball and we threw a pick. They intercepted it. Game over. We lose the Super Bowl. Done deal. When we could have just
1:36Speaker 2hit the ball. I was actually in the gym thinking about this. Like, if that if it comes down to that point again, right, right there. You really think about it? But here's the thing. Everybody in the world, including the Patriots, if we have the ball in the 1 yard line,
1:50Speaker 2everybody in the world knows that we're thinking about this decision, right? And going, you cannot throw it. If we throw that ball and it gets picked and it doesn't work again, we might as well just walk off a cliff. They know we're running the ball. And if I was the coach, I was really thinking about this. I would go into that huddle and yell at the old lineman and go, everybody walk up to the line of scrimmage and tell your defender I'm running the ball down your effing throat right now and there's nothing you can do about it and just do it. It's the only way to it's the only way to handle that.
2:23Speaker 2be supremely confident and get after it. But I think you're gonna win, dude. I think so. We should. I mean, I think we are the better team, but, like, either way, dude, I know I won't be that broken up. I think it's cool. It's good for them that that we're there.
2:36Speaker 2It's always cool for your home hometown team to be in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Mostly my mom's excited. So I'm proud. That's good. I saw, Ali had posted last night River hitting the balls. Oh, yeah. That's dope. In our living room? Yeah. That was cool. Did you see that we have a basketball hoop inside of our living room too? Little Yeah.
2:54Speaker 2That's not advised people, but we do. And I basically set up a batting cage in the middle of our living room. Yeah. Well, so, I, I said- It's not permanent. Just built, I was like, alright, hit the ball. Also, I also got this thing. So it's a big ass net, right? Like 8 feet by,
3:11Speaker 2and you know, you set up a tee and you just hit the, hit the ball into it. But I also bought this gimmick thing, which actually is kind of nice if you, and it's meant for little wiffle balls. So, hey, if you can hit a wiffle ball, you can probably hit a baseball better. Right? If you can barrel a small tiny wiffle ball,
3:47Speaker 1watching TV, throwing the ball just to myself and like I would have to go, oh, and like I dive, right? Oh, I dive. And it made my hands so soft. I never, like, that was just I caught everything. The fastest I ran, good patterns, caught everything, man. Yep, yep. That- those little things. It is those tiny little things and it's just repetition, right? It's like, this makes perfect, you know, all these all little things.
4:33Speaker 2like, he's like, I guarantee you Alex Rodriguez was doing this since the time he could walk
4:37Speaker 2all day, every day. That's all I did. So I did that. Was pretty good. Yeah. He also took a hose. So he took it, so it was baseball tee. Then he took a hose, cut off a hose about this long
4:49Speaker 2duct tape the hell out of a ball on the end of it and shoved part of the hose down the tee. Right? So the hose is kind of like, like this hanging out with the tee
4:59Speaker 1and you sit there and hit it, watch it. It spins around 3 for you to hit it Homemade homemade. I love it. I love that stuff, man. Important stuff, man. I mean, that definitely,
5:10Speaker 1I guess that's probably the problem with today. The kids have their phones in their faces or their iPads in their faces. We didn't have any of that stuff. I was outside doing all that stuff, creatively doing stuff like making that or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Throwing the ball against the thing all day. Yes. Because we were bored. Right? Yeah. Yeah. We had to find something to do. And nowadays, right, we can, I can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink? So we shall see how much That's why was cool when I saw that. I was like, how's it going? In the middle of the living room hitting balls.
5:39Speaker 1Yeah. It's funny. It's funny because I like, so what I like I say, I, but it's had nothing to do with it. My wife,
5:49Speaker 1And I don't really have a part in that. I just kind of like him working. So when she asks, I'm just like, yeah, because I'm working. And then I'll go in there and be like, holy shit. Like, woah, babe, like,
6:02Speaker 1But I didn't see like, I told you, like, she probably did, so that's my fault. Yeah. Kind of. But it's dope, dude. But it's cool. Literally, that's
6:10Speaker 2my house. Yeah. In the room. And they have like a little net, like a climbing net, right? Or a ladder that goes up on the side of the ceiling. Yeah, they're they're super Yeah. Yeah. We
6:19Speaker 1love them. I know. I know that, so this is gonna be a good day. This is gonna be a fun 1. I know that,
6:26Speaker 1you know, with Will and I, what we do for a living and what the kind of people that come into our lives and questions that we get, this is gonna be a good 1 to answer. I think a lot of questions for people at home,
6:38Speaker 1husbands and wives that have maybe teenagers that are coming across our place. Have a lot of questions about secretagogues,
6:44Speaker 1growth hormone secretagogues. So we're going to talk, we're going dig into the secretagogues.
6:52Speaker 1So let's dig into that because there are quite a few. We've talked about them numerous, but when Will and I were talking about what we were going to do, was his suggestion. I'm like, that sounds great to just break them all down, kind of what they do. Some are good, some suck, some don't really are used much anymore. Yeah. So
7:08Speaker 1I'll hand the mic to you. Tell us a little bit about what we going on, what we got going on with the secretagogues.
7:18Speaker 2yes, thank you. I have some pieces of paper here. Like, 1 thing is I hate it when people are doing podcasts and they're giving you information and they're just reading you the information. I know you know it. Know you know your stuff. Yeah. And
7:30Speaker 2why am I listening to you? Why don't I just read? If you're just gonna read stuff to me. Right? Anyway, but I have there is some notes that I kind of wanted to, so this is why I have paper. Important points that need to be hidden. So the
8:04Speaker 2that's about it. Okay. Those are the anyone, ones that you should care about at all. Okay. Those just think of them. Those basically tell your body to
8:22Speaker 2anyway, but that will help amplify that and create more. So our body normally makes this
8:39Speaker 2Right when we go to sleep is our biggest pulse, right? And then right when we wake up is our kind of our 2nd biggest. And then we have 3 more throughout the day that are very minor, which is why we don't really
9:02Speaker 2so those ones here, the layman's terms is they basically just create more of your pituitary to make more growth hormone. Okay? The GHRP
9:29Speaker 2They're no good though in that warehouse. Right? That's not really helpful for us to make a bunch of stuff and they just sit there. The GHRP's
9:36Speaker 2is the shipping end of this. Right? And so they take the product and they ship it out all over the place. So
9:47Speaker 2are doing the same thing, that's not very helpful. They'll push a little bit more or natural pulses will push a little bit more even if we make more, Right? Or if we, what if we just make a little bit the same amount that we normally do, but now we just pulse a little faster. That's great until we deplete this. But together,
10:06Speaker 2now I got a huge stock and I added a 100 more ships or or or trucks to ship out. Synergistics. Synergistics.
10:33Speaker 2MK-six 77 in that even though it's not a peptide. It's not a protein. It's not made of amino acids. It's a synthetic drug
10:45Speaker 2work the same way. They are ghrelin receptor mimetics, which basically they mimic or, and work on our ghrelin receptor. Ghrelin receptor makes us hungry
11:03Speaker 2folks, why that is hands down the most effective of all of these and why? Because it forget the pulses.
11:17Speaker 2it is absolutely the most effective. It'll probably give you the most side effects too. It definitely gives the most hunger. Yeah. It definitely gives you the most hunger. We'll talk about it. It definitely is real. Yeah. The
11:34Speaker 2pulses. It gives you just kind of good direct pulses right there, but just bigger stretches of them. So it is not resulting in a lot of cortisol and prolactin,
11:51Speaker 1I would imagine that's pretty much why those things have fallen on the wayside. Yes. They're
11:56Speaker 2strong, but they have a lot of the negatives. Yes. They have a lot of negatives. Right. So I mean, I even think here That is why. Hear people talk about them anymore. That is why. And frankly, like, if you want I mean, it would be my opinion that
12:08Speaker 2if you're gonna take there's other reasons, though, especially like Tesamorelin, which is like, that's awesome and that's that's the way to go. Really, the the, ghrelin ones, the GHRPs,
12:18Speaker 2if you just if you just want higher growth hormone at all costs, that, if you're gonna have to choose 1, I would choose those.
12:48Speaker 2if I if you have strong pituitary function and your body's already creating a lot of growth hormone, okay,
12:54Speaker 2And you add 1 of these, wow, we can just push the hell out of that out. That will really, really, really work. But if we have our normal pulses and we just create more, our normal pulses
13:09Speaker 2I think it will be better, more effective. Now I'd still would never really just take 1 of those. Yeah.
13:16Speaker 2Know what you're a fan of. Phil wouldn't just take them. I would absolutely take both. Yeah. I'll take GHRP. You've been saying that forever. As long as I know. GHRH
13:41Speaker 2Hands down. Hands down. Right? Why? Well, A, so it is FDA approved and like, I don't really give a shit about that,
13:49Speaker 2but it does mean something like it, because only because it kind of actually works. It So it's been tested. Means it's been tested a ton and it is, it's actually FDA approved though for
14:02Speaker 2your belly and your visceral fat. That's what it's FDA approved for, not for increasing your human growth hormone.
14:14Speaker 2is only for 1 specific thing, and that's what doctors can only prescribe it for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Just like some of these early on GLP-1s,
14:22Speaker 2like, you can't prescribe it for weight loss. You need to prescribe it only for diabetics
14:27Speaker 2who are usually overweight and that they're losing weight to get rid of the diabetes. But you can't just have somebody who's not diabetic and they just want to lose weight and look better. You don't have to prescribe it to them. Anyway. Sure, sure it's done. But it's done. Yeah, absolutely.
14:40Speaker 2So Tesamorelin burns visceral fat and belly fat. It was actually developed for AIDS patients who, who that fat was freezing and that was becoming like deadly to them. Yeah. It is also great at creating more growth hormone and a really good clean,
15:01Speaker 2way that it's sent out, the pulsatile function is very similar to how we do it naturally,
15:06Speaker 2is always the key, right? Like if we do something naturally, then you'll get less side effects because there's
15:16Speaker 1So then I guess next Tesamorelin would be number 1 and then what would you say a 2nd? I would probably just I would say CJC
15:26Speaker 2That makes it a shorter ester. That makes the 0.5 life be, you know, I mean, a few hours, but you still, should inject it daily. Yeah. Yeah. No DAC,
15:35Speaker 2me earning with DAC makes it a long 0.5 life. 7 days you do 1 injection a week. The problem there is it gives you way too long sustained pulses. And it's kind of more like the MK-677
15:49Speaker 2rhythm to pulses. And it just lingering in your body, just like a long ester of steroids.
16:11Speaker 2No, they don't. I but but I also don't see I think most people are just taking no DAC without even talking about it. Without that. Yeah. Yeah. They just don't even mean to. They don't even think about it because it is harder to get the- Yeah. With DAC because not many people want it. That's why. Yeah. Yeah.
16:25Speaker 2The CJC, I think, is probably stronger at the growth hormone creation, right, but not as good
16:31Speaker 2as at the fat burning because it's not really doing that much. Probably why I'm like I would CJC
16:38Speaker 2is probably the most popular. It is probably the most popular just because it's a bit stronger on the growth hormone. They hear stronger, so they wanna take that 1. Yes, absolutely. The problem, I guess, the side effect that we have seen is
17:04Speaker 2Something's giving me, so let's have my immune system attack that thing. In order our immune system does, it creates histamines. We've all heard of what an antihistamine
17:12Speaker 2is, right? That's a Benadryl, something like that. So our body's actual function is to create histamines to fight off something foreign. Yeah. Well, our body always goes a little crazy like it does with swelling too. And so that, then the, then the reaction can almost be worse for us than the actual substance that came in.
17:33Speaker 2So what do we take? I mean, you've had that happen slightly. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because,
17:38Speaker 1I mean, Will and I have talked about this stuff for a long time and we've talked about the CJC and just I'm a Tesamorelin guy for sure, like he is. And so I take that, you know, and then sometimes I do it with Epimorelin, sometimes without. Just
17:50Speaker 1because of some of the things I've personally read, I just never really cared too much about taking it. So anyways, all that being said, I took it recently, as you know, but I did, I had an it just immediately
18:05Speaker 1I mean, like a split 2nd, it was bizarre. I'd never had that happen before. And it's funny because we've talked about it before and like, it's me.
18:12Speaker 1It does happen. It happened to me. I knew it. So yeah, it sucked. So, and then I know that, you know, we've talked about it. So after that happens, it can happen a lot more worse after you do that. So if that happens to somebody, would you say
18:29Speaker 2Do less? Depends. I guess here are the 2 solutions, and you people do whatever you wanna do. But, like,
18:35Speaker 21 option is to take a Benzryl every time you do that. Alright? Well, a little bit before you do it maybe, so it's running through your system. That usually solves the problem completely. Also, you could take KPV while doing it. Do KPV
18:51Speaker 2Yeah, KPV is great. Seen it happen. And so there's 1 option. Or if you don't feel like having to now take another drug because you're taking 1 drug, I understand. Sure. Do
19:09Speaker 2And it will get worse. Right? Those of you who are anybody that's familiar with shellfish allergies. Right? Like, 1st 1, 0, I got a little reaction. Yeah. 2nd 1, damn, my throat's closed up. Right? 3rd 1 Probably should stop doing this. Well, I stopped. Not really. And it but yeah. Gets aborted. Progressively
19:25Speaker 2Be be yeah. Yeah. So that in in why CJC is not because bad, it's just it's just strong. Okay? And her body just really recognizes that as a foreign substance. Fight it. Fight it. Yeah. The,
19:41Speaker 2weakest. Sermorelin used to be FDA approved, and it was that FDA approval was rescinded
20:01Speaker 2I just think that there was it was unnecessary. There was there's better stuff out there. Yeah. But people still want it. People still want it. You know, I hear people say, oh, that's the 1 for sex drive. And
20:12Speaker 2there's other stuff that works a lot better. No. Yeah. I mean, there's lot of stuff that's the other stuff that works a lot better. I guess we didn't say it's like, why would you wanna take a security guard? Like, what are all the benefits? Yeah. And you could tell this. You have we all we both enjoy these benefits. Yeah. You're gonna be you're gonna age better You're for a gonna repair better, you're gonna sleep better. It's anti aging with wrinkles and whatnot. I mean, I'll take them forever because I'm getting old.
20:36Speaker 1What would be a cutoff? In today's world, that's a hard question to answer just because the world has changed,
20:44Speaker 1So though, like people's body has changed quite a bit from when we were younger. I think that
21:01Speaker 1You know, I know we've addressed this, but there's definitely new viewers and I know parents are going to want to hear this. So what
21:16Speaker 1You know what I mean? Because I have people that literally asked me about the further high school kids because the kids are chasing after it because they hear that it's going to make them bigger, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Here's thing. Guess from my experience of, of playing high school sports and being pretty good and being recruited and then going to the next level and playing division 1
21:43Speaker 2is going none of this stuff well, 1st of this is not strong enough and real drugs, like steroids and stuff are not sustainable and will always end poorly when we're talking about real athletics.
21:53Speaker 2I would say that I would I don't know. I just wouldn't give it to my kid because I just don't think it would give him enough of a competitive advantage. Right. The and I I don't think I'm not really that worried about about them, to be honest. I'm not that worried, but I mean, why? I just why do it? It's just not gonna help that much. We always hear them, like, on caution. And for what? Like, dude, he's either gonna
22:15Speaker 2he's either gonna he's gonna get in the way and be good Yeah. Or he's not. Right. This is not going to make the difference in his career and life. So
22:33Speaker 2Schoolers are full of growth hormone. They're full of growth hormone. They need just eat more.
22:38Speaker 2Be a skinny kid and be tougher. It'd be like, you know, go harder if you're skinny and you can't get in the way. But like, if you can't get in the weight, you don't have the frame,
22:46Speaker 2then you ain't going to play the position. That's right. And this is not going to make that difference. 5 God knows what he's 5
22:54Speaker 2my kid was raised and he was a young 1 while his growth plates were still growing and the doctors say he's probably going to be super short,
23:12Speaker 2a lot of the stuff is made for, right? The human growth hormone that aids patients, but for muscle wasting. But,
23:18Speaker 2that 1, I don't know if I really want to give a good answer, but I would heavily think about it. Yeah. You know what mean? It's gonna be subjective
23:29Speaker 2I know people who have given, you know, their kids that. Mostly what I hear about, especially the MK is like, they don't really care about the growth hormone. They just wanna boost they just wanna get the kid to eat more. Yeah. Kid needs more calories. So just he needs, but it's pretty common.
23:43Speaker 2High schoolers in UK. Yeah, it is. Yeah. I want to get bigger. Okay. I don't know. I just,
23:48Speaker 2maybe I just think of the next level and not play. I just think of everybody like, you only want to get good, right? So you can get a scholarship and play at the next level. Maybe some people just want to maximize just their high school
24:22Speaker 1because it really works. You're going to get hungry, you're going to eat more. That's just simple math. You eat more, you get bigger. You get bigger. Yep. It's that. But you will get fullness. Like if you're somebody that's our age and like, I
24:36Speaker 1maybe a couple of years ago is when I 1st did it and I immediately noticed it. Yeah. Fuller,
24:44Speaker 1I definitely, I never, I didn't deal with this hunger stuff right at 1st. I did last time that I took it, but, anyways, it works really well. It really well. And it gets really fast. And that, I mean, in this goes for everything else is
24:59Speaker 2right? And I hate to say like genetically superior, but like if you just happen to be a more of an athlete person,
25:08Speaker 2working out and of being able to put muscle on it. You happen to be a person who does, it's gonna
25:23Speaker 2It's gonna be amazing. Mhmm. But yeah. And why? I mean, why? It's because it's because it's making you it's it's activating that ghrelin receptor 24 7. Push your limits, train with precision,
25:46Speaker 2but, so but for 24 hours, it's active 0.5 life is on, and it will make you hungry that whole time. Literally. Whereas the Ipamorelin, people say, hey, well, in this case,
25:57Speaker 2if they want to take somebody's like, hey, I want to lose weight. So I should take the test of Ipamorelin, but damn Ipamorelin
26:03Speaker 2activates my ghrelin receptor, which makes me hungry. Isn't that counterintuitive to me losing weight? Don't, I shouldn't take that. The thing is though, in reality- feel like that on it, do you? No. No. Yeah. And those you're only hungry during those pulses
26:27Speaker 1notice it much. And 2, it's always going be a strategy on 1, what's the objective? 2, how are you going to get the most benefit? And 3, so if you're somebody that
26:40Speaker 1and take MK, it kind of like is defeating a purpose of what people do it. I talk to them all the time. So
26:50Speaker 1take it in the morning, Strategic thought through because why? Because you're gonna eat more. You're hungry. But if you're trying to use MK for whatever reason for a cutter, blah blah blah, because it could, it could help with that. You could retain some water. I mean, that's
27:03Speaker 1definitely possible. But diet is key, dude. You could eat a lot more, good food and get ripped.
27:10Speaker 2So just strategically use it contingent upon your objectives. If you have a problem with food, take it a night. Take it a night, then most of that hunger is gonna be while you're sleeping and you don't really feel it. The other thing is in just like human growth, just like regular HGH, when you start it, you feel a bit tired for you feel like you're kind of dragging ass for a couple weeks.
27:30Speaker 2pure pulsing, you might feel a little tired, especially shortly after your dose. So a lot of people will take, let's say you're to take 30 mg a day, right? Which is a high dose,
27:42Speaker 2People will split that into twice, 2 a day. So maybe they don't get that, like all that hunger and all the tiredness.
27:49Speaker 1that's still strategy. That's strategy. Again, so that's another strategy. I have never felt tired on it personally, but again, I actually usually take it at night, so I guess that's kind of a stupid thing to say. But I do want to take a little left turn onto the Tesamorelin because we've
28:04Speaker 1I think for the 1st time, at least in the heavy doses of how many people have said this about the Tesamorelin affecting sleep, where I had not run across that until recently, and then it happened quite a bit. And then we looked into it, obviously intrigued
28:26Speaker 2And we have heard from lots of people, hey, it's not making me sleep. You've experienced it, right? We have also had people, hey,
28:38Speaker 2stay the course. Stay the course is just deal with it and will, your body will normalize and get used to it and that will go away. But A, is start low. Okay? All of these side effects, water retention,
28:50Speaker 2that sleep issue that maybe it's some tiredness, sluggishness, right? Can all be, those are all just because you're getting too much too fast. So I would say, Hey, start at 2 50 micrograms
29:02Speaker 2Do that for a week or 2. And then now bump up to the 500 micrograms, Yep. Week or 2. Then if you've, okay, cool. Then bump up to the thousand and maybe 1500 and then 2 mgs. Yep. 2 mgs is a super high dose, but it's done. It's done in case anybody wasn't watching.
29:18Speaker 1Yeah. Because we were talking about it beforehand and we were just kind of talking just off the cuff and we were talking about dosages and stuff. So Tesamorelin,
29:30Speaker 1And then for like a more seasoned, just typical person, maybe a meg. Yes. And then if you're really seasoned and you got some different objectives. Right. Too big. And it all depends, right? Remember we touched with Pat,
29:41Speaker 2Paul and Pat's like- He loves it. Remember? Doing yeah. I mean, and Paul's like, holy crap. If I did that, what I'd done him to do, like, I'd be like, I'd look like a water balloon. So it all is just dependent Yeah. Upon
30:06Speaker 2it's affecting your sympathetic nervous system. You basically, it's like your body is now going, Oh shit, wake up. Like, let's grow, let's grow everything. You know, let's, let's grow a bit more. And that,
30:22Speaker 2But guess what? It kind of puts you a little bit in more of an alert state, which in it, therefore, it affects your brain and can affect your sleep. Yeah. So, but if you just stay the course,
30:35Speaker 1had never thought of that. I just hadn't crossed our path, especially not mine. And then all of sudden, nowhere we had a lot of people say that Tesamorelin was affecting their sleep. So we both looked into it because we were intrigued by this stuff, obviously. And then I caught up to something that I love Tesamorelin and I have been sleeping like shit. I'm always talking about that I sleep like shit. Then
30:54Speaker 1I stopped taking it for a while because I was taking the, CJC and then I was taking MK for a bit and I was sleeping better. Recently,
31:04Speaker 1whether that's a coincidence or it's just part of it, I don't know, but like, I was like, wow, I didn't really think of that. It could be Tesamorelin. It just never even crossed my mind, but maybe it is. But as
31:24Speaker 2The other, I guess we did talk about, okay, here's some quick ratings folks, like effectiveness
31:42Speaker 2okay, but a 4 for side effect. The scale is 1 through 5 basically, 5 being the highest. Okay, so
31:55Speaker 2which is the 1 that I definitely suggest people take is a 3 to 4 in effectiveness and a 2 side effects. Okay.
32:09Speaker 2So well, 5 and a 5. Okay. So 5 on effectiveness, it is going to make massive pulses. We're not including MK-six 77 is not included this by the way. But also you're getting a 5 for side effects. Okay. So lots of like water retention,
32:24Speaker 2prolactin. And if we don't know prolactin sucks, like prolactin is what people get for,
32:30Speaker 2Well, DECA trend, it is long, long known that, people doing steroids from certain steroids get this and it can give you, it can give you gyno, but just like the fatty,
32:58Speaker 2fixes those problems. Cabergoline also, you know what else is anti prolactin? It's cocaine.
33:13Speaker 2patients going through like chemo much of caber because it does it's a it's a it's a dopamine agonist. So
33:27Speaker 2Okay. There it go. That's it guys. Like, those are the only ones that are really worth talking about on the GHK-3s.
33:32Speaker 1Think you talked about it. I mean, what's the 1 that we, that is even worth the salt, so to speak, would be the Ipamorelin. Ipamorelin. And why is Ipamorelin with
33:46Speaker 2You don't. I don't, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But, you do with the CJC and the Tesamorelin. I think that Sermorelin's just falling out of favor. Like, I just don't think that there's I also you're right. If we're just saying you, hey, I mean, if, if we would say, hey, just take Ipamorelin, it's kind of goes the same thing for the GHRH is like, just take CJC or Tesamorelin. Yep. Let's do. Yeah. Now on those guys, so the GHRH
34:36Speaker 2with DAC, which is the long Ester, okay, 4 to 5, 4 to 5 effectiveness and a 3 side effect. All right. That's interesting.
34:51Speaker 2like we said, the Tessa is great because it also has that fat burning power, the visceral fat and belly fat, which is the holy grail of like supplements. Know, have been trying to find out like, how do I lose fat on, you know, this part of my body? I suppose we still haven't figured out how to lose fat on every, on each individual,
35:09Speaker 2This is right on that little part that everybody has. That really just focuses on that belly fat. That's where cortisol buildup, right? Hey, somebody who's got chronic high cortisol.
35:20Speaker 2Alcohol folks who you drink a bunch of alcohol, that fat is the fat right around your belly button. That's where it accumulates 1st. That's why beer bellies are really fine.
35:42Speaker 1on just a little bit because obviously the big difference is you're taking synthetic HGH, actual HGH. So I know you and I have talked about,
35:51Speaker 1you know, it always again boils down to objectives. What are you trying to do? What are your goals?
35:57Speaker 1you could take HGH in the morning and then we both talked about that. I think both of us, I think because you're bigger, you've said 3. Yeah, I'm a 2 guy, 2 IU guy only.
36:10Speaker 1be giving you enough growth hormone to where if you did take a secretagog at night, it might not maximize it
36:38Speaker 2the morning, and that is when I suggest you take it in, in a fasted state from taking real HGH.
36:49Speaker 2So your pituitary then decides that's your regulator who that is making your natural stuff. Goes, Hey, look, look how much I have.
36:59Speaker 2Regardless if we take the secretagogue is telling that, Hey, let's make more. It might still say, yeah, but I, holy, I got a bunch of somebody listening to you.
37:21Speaker 2will not stop that effect, that visceral fat and belly fat burning effect that Tesamorelin gives you. So that is fully on good to go, right? Not stopping anything. So, but also- So what I heard from that was,
37:33Speaker 1and sorry to cut you off. What I heard from that was if you, if you're taking the HGH,
37:47Speaker 1is as fat, you know, Tesamorelin is going be the play. I mean, it's funny because that's what I do HGH in the morning and test at night, but, because the Tesamorelin is going to burn the fat. That's gonna matter what you And I guess worst case scenario is it's not bad for you. Yeah. Like nothing bad will come by taking both of those. Sure. Even the CJC, like nothing bad is going to come. It just might, the CJC just might not work as well. Now
38:30Speaker 2Maximized. Yep. You don't want to take the growth at night. Now people will research and they'll say, Hey, well I see a
38:36Speaker 2lot of articles or whatever. Basically, it's usually like clinical stuff to have doctors telling their patients, Take your growth at night. Well, why? Okay, why? Well,
38:55Speaker 2produce growth hormone is at nighttime. So doctors will go, Oh, you're not doing it. You're not promote, you're not pushing anything out. Let's give it to you at night. Okay. We're talking about is people who really aren't and just want a little- We're taking off. Right? So you don't want to take it at night when your body is naturally doing a good job of that because then it will, your body will go,
39:14Speaker 1oh shoot, I'm getting it. Maybe I won't make more. Yeah, yeah. Right? I'm getting it right there. Let's make not make more. Now you just shot yourself in the foot. It's the same thing about if you're taking testosterone to get your body to, I don't need to make this anymore. It's literally the same thing. Exactly. Same thing. Yeah. That was good. Anything else in regards to that? So longevity,
39:50Speaker 2taking growth or a good amount of these security guys, dude, all your muscle just stays on you. You just don't lose it. Takes a while. People go into people go on a cycle, right, and they come off and they don't do a post cycle and they should lose absolutely everything, but if you're on growth, like, damn, nothing got lost. It's amazing.
40:08Speaker 2we get and that's what it was for us, for muscles wasting, for AIDS patients who what that is doing, just eating your muscle away until you die. So that's why this was developed mostly.
40:23Speaker 2But so there but I also think that the fat burning, the 1 thing is the biggest thing I've noticed is almost when I've stopped these and I've got, oh, that's what it was doing. Right? Like, damn, my body was so can't eat all the fried chicken. Right. I could eat what deli wants. I just stay like lean and shredded. But,
40:44Speaker 2effects, you know, to look younger, getting rid of wrinkles, that one's long term. We're talking years. Heads down. But it's worth it. I plan to,
40:53Speaker 2you know, I still plan to do like 1 IU while trying to make it baby, but I plan to do gross stuff. Yeah. Well, somebody did. I had, I had a 1
41:03Speaker 2chemist tell me to do that, but I've also known friends whose doctors told them to start growth. Yeah. Interesting. So won TRT NHG. Not, probably not. I wouldn't do a high amount, but I fully plan to do growth until I die. And I'm okay with that. Yeah, me too.
41:20Speaker 2really it really does It's help. Going to, you know, 10 years later, right? I'll look like I've aged 5 years to the technology's there. Did we know how to take it safely? Don't I don't understand people.
41:31Speaker 1Like the benefits outweigh any negative, but they're just focused on those negatives. And this is just my opinion. I mean, yeah. And
41:38Speaker 2You do you, all to me. You're right. If this kills me 5 years before I'm supposed to die, then they'll die 5 years. 5 years.
41:52Speaker 2Those are good, man. I don't have to have my family, like, suffocate me. Like, my poor mother is like, the last will and testament. She's like, I will not be put in a nursing home. You will suffocate me. Sounds like your mom. Before. Right. I had to, like, she had to read her last will and testament and make me promise that she I would do that. That's funny. And take her out to see Sun every single day, no matter what position she's Sounds like your mom. You're a sweetheart. And yeah. So I'm not looking for Yeah, man. Well, that was good. Now we got,
42:25Speaker 1I know we were a little bit jumping the gun because we had a TRT doctor on last week, but we're going to try to focus on
42:32Speaker 1AIs. We're going to try to focus on a little bit of women because I know we on it, but we're going to dig into that a little bit because we
42:38Speaker 1got a lot of questions from that podcast, as you can imagine. So there's still a lot. So we're going have another doctor on and
42:50Speaker 1PHP. Well, he used to, he's like, if you ask him, watch, he'll say to him like the PHP is crapping a joke. Why do that? So I don't know. We'll ask him and see how much he'll give us. I went in when I was trying to combat and not have the back surgery, was going to him and he was blasting me with stem cells. I mean, it didn't work for me, but anyways, he does that so we can touch on that a little bit because it's definitely a good subject. Yep. And right, right. Women, a long term AIs or AIs at all.
43:23Speaker 1Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As we're so much more accepted, but like But well, but then again, we the cart for the horse. Like, we're talking about gear, steroid cycle where it's yielding gyno where you could gotta cut that sucker off because that will grow and you're screwed.
43:36Speaker 2TRT, you don't really need an AI. You don't. You shouldn't be taking so much that you get estrogen issues now, but some people
43:46Speaker 1mean, some people are more sensitive. See, I was talking to him because he came in the other day, Doctor. Tyler, he's great human. He's good dude. So anyways, we're touching on this a little bit and just conversation, you know, and he was telling me his estrogen was 150. And I'm like, What? What the hell are we talking about, bro? What are you serious? And he was telling us free testosterone, I think he said it was 300 and total. And I'm like,
44:14Speaker 2Each is on, man. You know you guys are linebacker at West Virginia? I didn't know that. Yeah. University of West Virginia. I don't know if he ever, like, played on the field, but he went to practice. I don't know if he played for a little bit. Rudy Rudy.
44:38Speaker 1Tuesday or Wednesday, so I'll be putting that on our story. So get the questions in. I think we're a little bit behind, so let's try to catch those up. Let's go maybe cut out some of the questions that are redundant. Yeah, we're still behind on answering people's questions. About 10 to 12 days. We have enough time for, but maybe we'll kind of have, our editor go through and get some of the redundant ones out and catch back up. So we'll be putting that on the story. Other than that,
45:06Speaker 2everybody have fun this weekend. Shit, if you live where we do, I mean, it's still gonna be 80 degrees out. Yeah, it's It's hot in here. Turn that AC on, I'm hot. This is gonna blast the late- It's January.
45:17Speaker 1I know. Look where we live, bro. It's all good. Yeah. Alright, guys. We will catch you on the next round. All love.