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0:36Speaker 0Welcome back to the Peptide of the week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Like always, like always cross way my buddy,
0:44Speaker 0cohost, William T. Haas, getting ready for the damn Super Bowl. That's right. Yeah. I'm still here. Super Bowls this weekend. I'm excited. Are you do you got big hopes for your team? Yes,
1:00Speaker 1have redemption hopes because the last time that we played the Patriots in the Super Bowl was like crushing.
1:08Speaker 1when that game, that was a great game. Like that is like definition of sports and like why, why people like love sports is because that thing was like up and down.
1:20Speaker 1we had the best running back in the league who could run over everybody in Marshawn Lynch. We decided to give too cute and tried to throw the ball and we threw a pick. They intercepted it, game over. We lose the Super Bowl. Done deal. When we could have just
1:33Speaker 1hit the ball. I was actually in the gym thinking about this. Like if that, if it comes down to that point again, right? Right there. Really think about this? Here's the thing. Everybody in the world, including the Patriots, if we have the ball in the 1 yard line,
1:47Speaker 1everybody in the world knows that we're thinking about this decision, right? And going, you cannot throw it. If we throw that ball and it gets picked and it doesn't work again, we might as well just walk off a cliff. They know we're running the ball. And if I was the coach, I was really thinking about this. I would go into that huddle and yell at the old lineman and go, everybody walk up to the line of scrimmage and you tell your defender I'm running the ball down your effing throat right now and there's nothing you can do about it and just do it. It's the only way to it's the only way to handle that.
2:19Speaker 1be supremely confident and get after it. But I think you're gonna win, dude. I think so. We should. I mean, I think we are the better team, but like either way, dude, I know I won't be that broken up. I think it's cool. It's good for them that that we're there.
2:33Speaker 0It's always cool for your home hometown team to be in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Mostly my mom's excited. So I'm proud. That's good. I saw, Ali had posted last night River hitting the balls. Oh, yeah. In our living room? Yeah. That was cool. Did you see that we have a basketball hoop inside of our living room too? Step backboard.
2:51Speaker 1That's not advised people, but we do. And I basically set up a batting cage in the middle of our living room. Yeah. Well, so I,
2:59Speaker 1said, It's not permanent. I just built the ladder. Was like, all right, hit the ball. Also, I also got this thing. So it's a big ass net, right? Like 8 feet by a,
3:08Speaker 1and you know, you set up a team, you just hit the, hit the ball into it. I also bought this gimmick thing, which actually is kind of nice if you, and it's meant for little wiffle balls.
3:17Speaker 1Hey, if you can hit a wiffle ball, you can probably hit a baseball better. If you could barrel a small tiny wiffle ball,
3:27Speaker 1wait about 4 seconds- Pops it up. Pops it up. Yeah. That's nice. It's funny though, like how
3:44Speaker 0TV, throwing the ball just to myself and like, I would have to go, Oh, and like a dive, oh, I dive.
3:50Speaker 1It made my hands so soft. I never like that. I was just, I caught everything. It was the fastest I ran good patterns. I caught everything, man. Yep, yep. That's- Those little things. It is those tiny little things and it's just repetition. Right? It's like practice makes perfect, you know? All these- Daily. All little things-
4:36Speaker 1So I did that, dude. That was pretty good. Yeah. Oh my gosh. He also took a hose. So he took it, so was baseball tee, then he took a hose, cut off a hose about this long,
4:46Speaker 1duct tape the hell out of a ball on the end of it and shove part of the hose down the tee. Right? So the hose is kind of like, like this hanging out of the tee
4:55Speaker 0and you sit there and hit it, watch it, and it spins around 1 for you to hit it Homemade, homemade. I love it. I love that stuff, man. It's important stuff, man. I mean, that, that definitely it's, I guess that's probably the problem with today. The kids have their phones in their faces or their iPads in their faces. We didn't have any of that stuff, but I was outside doing all that stuff, creatively doing stuff like making that or whatever.
5:20Speaker 1Throwing the ball against the the thing all day. Yes. Because we were bored. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And find something to do. And nowadays, right, we can I can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink? So we shall see how much Well, that's was cool when I saw that. I was like, how's it going, dude? Yeah. Living room in balls.
5:36Speaker 0Yeah. It's funny. It's funny because I like, so what I like I say, I, but it's had nothing to do with it. My wife, you know, our son's playroom has made climbing walls. It just Wings.
5:46Speaker 0And I don't really have a part in that. I just kind of like him working. So when she asks, I'm just like, yeah, because I'm working. And then I'll go in there and be like, holy shit. Like, woah, babe, like, how
5:57Speaker 0much did this cost? You know mean? Right. But I didn't see like, I told you, like, she probably did, so that's all my fault. Yeah. Kinda. But it's dope, dude. Like But it is cool. It literally plays in
6:06Speaker 1my house. Yeah. In the room. And they have, like, a little net, like, a climbing net, right, or a ladder that goes up on side of the ceiling. Yeah. They're they're Yeah. They're that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
6:16Speaker 0We love them. I know. I know that, so this is going to be a good day. This is gonna be a fun 1. I know that,
6:23Speaker 0you know, with Will and I, what we do for a living and what the kind of people that come into our lives and questions that we get, this is going to be a good 1 to answer. I think a lot of questions for people at home,
6:35Speaker 0husbands and wives that have maybe teenagers that are coming across our place. Have a lot of questions about secretagogues,
6:49Speaker 0So let's dig into that because there are quite a few. We've talked about them numerous, but when Will and I were talking about what we were going to do,
6:57Speaker 0suggestion. I'm like, that sounds great to just break them all down kind of what they do. Some are good, some suck, some don't really are used much anymore. Yeah. So I'll hand the mic to you. Tell us a little bit about what we going on what we got going on with the secretagogues.
7:14Speaker 1yes, thank you. I have some pieces of paper here. Like, 1 thing is I hate it when people are doing podcasts and they're giving you information and they're just reading you the information. I know you know it. I know you know your stuff. Yeah. And why am I listening to Why don't I just read? If you're just gonna read stuff to me. Right? Anyway, but I have there is some notes that I kind of wanted to, so this is why I have paper. Important points that need to be hit. So the
8:01Speaker 1that's about it. Okay. Those are the anyone, the ones that you should care about at all. Okay. Those just think of them. Those basically tell your body to
8:19Speaker 1anyway, but that will help amplify that and create more. So our body normally makes this
8:36Speaker 1Right when we go to sleep is our biggest pulse, right? And then right when we wake up is our kind of our 2nd biggest. And then we have 3 more throughout the day that are very minor, which is why we don't really
8:59Speaker 1so those ones here, the layman's terms is they basically just create more of your pituitary to make more growth hormone. Okay? The GHRP
9:14Speaker 1Okay? So that is so the GHRH is like, hey, I have a warehouse and I'm creating all the products. Right? We're
9:21Speaker 1creating we can make a whole bunch of shit, a bunch of trucks, I don't know, the widgets.
9:26Speaker 1They're no good though in that warehouse. Right? That's not really helpful for us to make a bunch of stuff and they just sit there. The GHRP's
9:33Speaker 1is the shipping end of this. Right? And so the so they take the product and they ship it out all over the place. So
9:44Speaker 1are doing the same thing, that's not very helpful. They'll push a little bit more or natural pulses will push a little bit more even if we make more, right? Or if we, what if we just make a little bit the same amount that we normally do, but now we just pulse a little faster. That's great until we deplete this. But together,
10:02Speaker 1now I got a huge stock and I added a 100 more ships or or or trucks to ship out. Synergistics. Synergistics.
10:29Speaker 1and we will count MK-six 77 in that even though it's not a peptide. It's not a protein. It's not made of amino acids. It's a synthetic drug
10:45Speaker 1which basically they mimic or and work on our ghrelin receptor. Ghrelin receptor makes us hungry
11:00Speaker 1folks, why that is hands down the most effective of all of these and why, because it forget the pulses.
11:14Speaker 1it is absolutely the most effective. It'll probably give you the most side effects too. It definitely gives the most hunger. Yeah. It definitely gives you the most hunger. People talk about it. It definitely is real. Yeah. The
11:31Speaker 1pulses. It gives you just kind of good direct pulses right there, but just bigger stretches of them. So it is not resulting in a lot of cortisol and prolactin,
11:48Speaker 0I would imagine that's pretty much why those things have fallen on the wayside. Yes. Yeah. They're strong, but they have a lot of the negatives. Yes. They have a lot of negatives. Right. So I mean, I even think here That is why. Hear people talk about them anymore. That is why. And frankly, like, if you want I mean, it would be my opinion that
12:05Speaker 1if you're gonna take there's other reasons though, especially like Tesamorelin, which is like, that's awesome and that's that's the way to go. Really, the the, ghrelin ones, the GHRPs,
12:15Speaker 1if you just if you just want higher growth hormone at all costs, like that, if you're gonna have to choose 1, I would choose those.
12:46Speaker 1you have strong pituitary function and your body's already creating a lot of growth hormone, okay,
12:51Speaker 1you add 1 of these, wow, we can just push the hell out of that out. That will really, really, really work. But if we have our normal pulses
13:06Speaker 1I think it will be better, more effective. Now, I'd still would never really just take 1 of those. Yeah.
13:17Speaker 1Take them both. Yeah. I'll take GHRP. You've been saying that forever. As long as I know. I would take GHRH and GHRP. Right.
13:38Speaker 1Hands down. Hands down. Right? Why? Well, A, so it is FDA approved and like, I don't really give a shit about that,
13:45Speaker 1but it does mean something like it, because only because it kind of actually works. So it's been tested. Means it's been tested a ton and it is, it's actually FDA approved though for
13:57Speaker 1burning fat burning fat on your belly and your, and visceral fat. That's what it's FDA approved for, not for increasing your human growth hormone.
14:11Speaker 1is only for 1 specific thing and that's what doctors can only prescribe it for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Just like some of these early on GLP-1s, like, you can't prescribe it for weight loss. You need to prescribe it only for diabetics
14:24Speaker 1who are usually overweight and that they're losing weight to get rid of their diabetes. But you can't just have somebody who's not diabetic and they just want to lose weight and look better. You know how to prescribe it to them anyway. I'm sure it's done. It's done. Yeah, absolutely. So Tesamorelin burns visceral fat and belly fat. It was actually developed for AIDS patients who, who that fat was freezing and that was becoming like deadly to them. Yeah. It is also great at creating more growth hormone and a really good clean,
14:56Speaker 1pulsing and also the way that it's sent out, the pulsatile function is very similar to how we do it naturally,
15:03Speaker 1which is always the key, right? Like if we do something naturally, then you'll get less side effects because
15:08Speaker 1there's less of a chain reaction, may make a whole bunch of other shit off. Sure. Yeah. So then I guess next- Tesamorelin would be number 1, and then what would you say a 2nd? I would probably just, I would say CJC-1295
15:20Speaker 1DAC, no DAC. That makes it a shorter ester. That makes the 0.5 life be, you know, I mean, few hours, but you still, you should inject it daily. Yeah. No DAC, me earning with DAC makes it a long 0.5 life. 7 days you do 1 injection a week. The problem there is it gives you way too long sustained
15:52Speaker 1You get a long ester, hey, it might work better because it's lingering in you and it's compounding. But man, if you get some side effects, good luck, that shit's in you. Which CJ is known
16:01Speaker 0to have some, Yeah. You know, we touched on that a little bit, but like, so yeah. So, I mean, that's not that many people talk about the DAC. No, they don't. But I also don't see, I think most people are just taking no DAC without even talking about it. Without that.
16:14Speaker 1Yeah. They just don't even mean They don't even think about it because it is harder to get with DAC because not many people want it. That's why. Yeah. Yeah.
16:21Speaker 1The CJC, I think is probably stronger at the growth hormone creation, right? But not as good
16:32Speaker 1Probably why I'm I would say CJC is probably the most popular. It is probably the most popular just because it's a bit stronger on the growth hormone. They hear stronger, so they want to take that 1. Yes, absolutely.
16:47Speaker 1people might develop an allergic reaction. Why? Our body has allergic reaction- What is this? To foreign stuff that goes into us, right? Yep. So it didn't know it goes, wait a minute, this isn't, this isn't my attack me, right? Something's giving me, so let's have my immune system attack that thing. And in order immune system does, it creates histamines. We've all heard of what an antihistamine
17:09Speaker 1is, right? That's a Benadryl, something like that. So our body's actual function is to create histamines to fight off something foreign. Well,
17:17Speaker 1our body always goes a little crazy like it does with swelling too. And so that, then the reaction
17:30Speaker 1what do we take? I mean, you've had that happen slightly. Yeah, I mean, funny because,
17:35Speaker 0I mean, Will and I have talked about this stuff for a long time and we've talked about the CJC and just, I'm a Tesamorelin guy for sure, like he is. And so I take that, you know? And then sometimes I do it with Epimorelin, sometimes without. Just because of some of the things I've personally read, I just never really cared too much about taking it. So anyways, all that being said,
18:01Speaker 0I mean, like a split 2nd, it was bizarre. I'd never had that happen before. And it's funny because we've talked about it before and like, it's me.
18:09Speaker 0Does happen. Happened to me. I knew it. So, yeah, it sucked. So, and then I know that, you know, we've talked about it. So after that happens, it can happen a lot more worse after you do that. So if that happens to somebody, would you say
18:26Speaker 1Do less? Depends. I guess here are the 2 solutions, and you people do whatever you wanna do. But, like, 1
18:32Speaker 1option is to take a Benadryl every time you do that. Alright? Well, a little bit before you do it maybe so it's running through your system. That usually solves the problem completely. Also, you could take KPV while doing it. Do KPV
18:50Speaker 1And so there's 1 option. Or if you don't feel like having to now take another drug because you're taking 1 drug, I understand. Sure. Do
19:06Speaker 1And it will get worse. Right? Those of you who are anybody that's familiar with shellfish allergies. Right? Like, 1st 1, 0, I got a little reaction. Yeah. 2nd 1, damn, my throat's closed up. Right? 3rd 1 Probably should stop doing this. Well, I stopped. Not really. And it but yeah. Get aborted. Progress
19:22Speaker 1Be yeah. So that in in why CJC is not because bad, it's just it's just strong. Okay? And our body just really recognizes that as a foreign substance. Fight it. Fight it. Yeah. The,
19:38Speaker 1weakest. Sermorelin used to be FDA approved, and it was that FDA approval was rescinded
19:58Speaker 1I just think that there was it was unnecessary. There was there's better stuff out there. Yeah. And people still want it. People still want it. You know, I I hear people say, oh, that's the 1 for sex drive. And
20:09Speaker 1there's other stuff that works a lot better. No. Yeah. I mean, there's lot of stuff that's the other stuff that works a lot better. I guess we didn't say it's like, why would you wanna take a sobriety dog? Like, what are all the benefits? Yeah. And you could tell this. You have we all we both enjoy these benefits. Right? You're gonna be you're gonna age better long. You're gonna repair better. You're going to sleep better. It's anti aging with wrinkles and whatnot. I mean, I'll take them forever because I'm getting old. Now, what would be a cutoff? In today's world, that's a hard question to answer just because the world has changed,
20:41Speaker 0So though, like people's body has changed quite a bit from when we were younger. I think
20:46Speaker 0that would be a fun question that I want to throw at you is because it comes across our, our, our sheet often,
20:58Speaker 0You know, I know we've addressed this, but there's definitely new viewers and I know parents are going to want to hear this. So what
21:13Speaker 0You know what I mean? Because I have people that literally ask me about the further high school kids because the kids are chasing after it because they hear that it's going to make them bigger, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Here's thing. Guess from my experience of, of playing high school sports and being pretty good and being recruited and then going to the next level and playing division 1
21:38Speaker 1I just I don't no drug is going none of this stuff well, 1st of it's just not strong enough and real drugs, like steroids and stuff are not sustainable and will always end poorly when we're talking about real athletics.
21:50Speaker 1I would say that I would I don't know. I just wouldn't give it to my kid because I just don't think it would give him enough of a competitive advantage. Right. The and I I don't think I'm not really that worried about about them, to be honest. I'm not that worried, but I mean, why? I just why do it? It's just not gonna help that much. We always hear, like, I'm caution. And for what? Like, dude, he's either gonna
22:12Speaker 1he's either gonna he's gonna get in the way and be good Yeah. Or he's not. Right. This is not going to make the difference in his career and life.
22:29Speaker 1High schoolers are full of growth hormone. They're full of growth hormone. They need just eat more.
22:36Speaker 1A skinny kid and be tougher. It'd be like, you know, go harder if you're skinny and you can't get in the way. But like, if you can't get in the weight, you don't have the frame,
22:49Speaker 1doing. Him know if my kid was raised and he was a young 1 while his growth plates were still growing and the doctors say he's probably going to be super short,
22:58Speaker 1would be, I would need to think about that 1. Yeah, it's pretty common. Like 6, 4, I just kind of like,
23:08Speaker 1a lot of the stuff is made for, right? The human growth hormone that aids patients, but for muscle wasting. But
23:15Speaker 1that 1, I don't know if I really wanna give a good answer, but I would heavily think about it. Yeah. You know what mean? Gonna be Yeah. Subjective to the situation. Yeah. Absolutely.
23:26Speaker 1I know people who have given, you know, their kids that. Mostly what I hear about, especially MK is like, they don't really care about the growth hormone. They just wanna boost they just wanna get the kid to eat more. Yeah. Kid needs more calories. So just he needs, but it's pretty common. Even high schoolers in MK. Yeah. Is. Yeah. I wanna get bigger. Like, okay. I don't know. I just, maybe I just think of the next level and not play. I just think of everybody like, well, you only want to get good, So you can get a scholarship and play at the next level. Maybe some people just want to maximize just their high school
24:14Speaker 0would say it is the closest thing, I don't if I should say this, closest thing to a steroid.
24:19Speaker 0Because it really works. You're going to get hungry. You're going to eat more. That's just simple math. You eat more, you get bigger. You get bigger. Yep. But
24:33Speaker 0really tipped a couple of years ago is when I 1st did it and I immediately noticed it. Yeah. Fuller,
24:40Speaker 0I definitely, I never, I didn't deal with this hunger stuff right at 1st. I did last time that I took it, but, anyways, it works really well. It works really well. And it gets really fast. That, I mean, in this goes for everything else is if you are a genetically,
24:56Speaker 1right? And I hate to say like genetically superior, but like if you just happen to be a more of an athlete person,
25:02Speaker 1And, and I actually have a history also of working out and of being able to put muscle on it. You happen to be a person who does, it's gonna
25:20Speaker 1It's gonna be amazing. Mhmm. But yeah. And why? I mean, why? It's because it's because it's making you it's it's activating that ghrelin receptor 24 7.
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25:58Speaker 1but, so but for 24 hours, it's active 0.5 life is on, and it will make you hungry that whole time. Whereas the Ipamorelin people say, Hey, okay. This case,
26:09Speaker 1if they want to take somebody's like, Hey, I want to lose weight. So I should take the Tesa Ipamorelin, but damn Ipamorelin
26:15Speaker 1my ghrelin receptor, which makes me hungry. Isn't that counterintuitive to me losing weight? Don't I shouldn't take that. The thing is though, in reality that on it, do you? No. No. Yeah. And those you're only hungry during those pulses
26:39Speaker 0notice it much. Well, and 2, it's always gonna be a strategy on 1, what's the objective? 2, how are you gonna get the most benefit? And 3, so if you're somebody that
26:52Speaker 0and take MK, it kind of like is defeating a purpose of what people do it. Because I talk to them all the time. So
27:07Speaker 0But if you're trying to use MK for whatever reason for a cutter, blah, blah, blah, because it could, it could help with that. You could retain some water. I mean, that's
27:21Speaker 1So just strategically use it contingent upon your objectives. If you have a problem with food, take it a night. Take it a night, then most of that hunger is going to be while you're asleep and you don't really feel The other thing is in just like
27:33Speaker 1human growth, just like regular HGH, when you start it, you feel a bit tired for you feel like you're kind of dragging ass for a couple weeks. MK, because it's just
27:42Speaker 1pure pulsing, you might feel a little tired, especially shortly after your dose. So a lot of people will take, let's say you're gonna take 30 mg a day, right? Which is a high dose, but
27:54Speaker 1People will split that into twice, 2 a day. So maybe they don't get that, like, all that hunger and all the tiredness. Right.
28:01Speaker 0But that's still strategy. But that's strategy. Think through something. Again, so that's another strategy. I have never felt tired on it personally, but again, I actually usually take it at night, so I guess that's kind of a stupid thing to say. But let's, I do wanna take a little left turn onto the Tesamorelin because we've
28:16Speaker 0I think, for the 1st time, at least in the heavy doses of how many people have said this about the Tesamorelin
28:21Speaker 0affecting sleep, where I had not run across that until recently, and then it happened quite a bit. And then we looked into it obviously intrigued,
28:38Speaker 1and we have heard from lots of people, Hey, it's not making me sleep. You've experienced it, right? We have also had people, Hey,
28:50Speaker 1Stay the course. Stay the course is just deal with it and it will your body will normalize and get used to it and that will go away. But A, is start low. Okay? All of these side effects, water retention,
29:02Speaker 1that sleep issue that maybe it's some tiredness, sluggishness, right? Can all be, those are all just because you're getting too much too fast. So I would say, Hey, start at 2 50 micrograms
29:14Speaker 1Do that for a week or 2. And then now bump up to the 500 micrograms Yep. Week or 2. Then if you've, okay, cool. Then bump up to the thousand, then maybe 1500 and then 2 mgs. Yep. 2 mgs is a super high dose, but it's done. It's done. Case anybody wasn't watching.
29:30Speaker 0Yeah. Because we were talking about it beforehand and we were just kind of talking just off the cuff and, we were talking about dosages and stuff. So Tesamorelin, like if you're starting maybe
29:39Speaker 00.5 a mg, maybe less, 0.5 a mg, slow. And then for like a more seasoned, just typical person, maybe a mg. And then if you're really seasoned and you got some different objectives too big. And it all depends, right? Remember we touched with Pat,
29:53Speaker 1Paul and Pat's like- He loves it. Remember? Yeah. I mean, and Paul's like, holy crap. If I did that, what I've told him to do, I'd be like, I'd look like a water balloon. So it all is just dependent Yeah. Upon
30:05Speaker 0So Yeah. That's perfect. I think that's perfect in regards to the Tesamorelin. And what are they,
30:18Speaker 1it's affecting your sympathetic nervous system. So you basically, it's like your body is now going, Oh shit, wake up. Like let's grow, let's grow, you know, let's, let's grow a bit more. Okay. And that wakes
30:31Speaker 1that you aren't really affecting. 3 But guess what? It kind of puts you a little bit in more of an alert state, which in therefore it affects your brain and can affect your sleep. So,
30:46Speaker 0I had never thought of that. I just hadn't crossed our path, especially about mine. And then all of a sudden, nowhere we had a lot of people say that Tesamorelin was affecting their sleep. So we both looked into it because we were intrigued by this stuff, obviously. And then I caught up to something that I love Tesamorelin and I have been sleeping like shit. I'm always talking about that I sleep like shit. Then I
31:06Speaker 0stopped taking it for a while because I was taking the, CGC and then I was taking MK for a bit and I was sleeping better. And I recently went back on Tesamorelin. I've been sleeping like shit. So
31:16Speaker 0whether that's a coincidence or it's just part of it, I don't know. But like, I was like, wow, I didn't really think of that. It could be Tesamorelin. It has never even crossed my mind, but maybe it is. But as Will said,
31:33Speaker 1Will. Good. Let's see. Then we'll see. Then we'll report. The other, I guess, we did talk about, okay, here's some quick ratings folks, like effectiveness
31:53Speaker 14 of effectiveness, okay, but a 4 for side effect. The scale is 1 through 5 basically, 5 being the highest, okay? So GHRP-two,
32:07Speaker 1which is the 1 that I definitely suggest people take is a 3 to 4 in effectiveness and a 2 side effects.
32:29Speaker 1is not included this by the way. But also you're getting a 5 for side effects. Okay. So lots like water retention,
32:36Speaker 1prolactin. And if we don't know prolactin sucks, like prolactin is what people will get for. Well,
32:43Speaker 1DECA trend, it is long, long known that, people doing steroids from certain steroids get this and it can give you, it can give you gyno, but just like fatty-
32:53Speaker 1Just a bunch of fat buildup. Everybody's different. A lot of attention too. Some people do, don't know. Also men ED.
32:59Speaker 1True. Deca. Right, which is huge. Deca. Deca. Deca. Right? Yeah. That sucks. So you can be horny all you want, but it just isn't working. Yeah. That's a problem.
33:16Speaker 1It's really interesting. It's like the same property as caber. And a lot of people will take,
33:24Speaker 1patients going through, like, chemo a bunch of caber because it does it's a it's a it's a dopamine agonist.
33:39Speaker 0that's it guys. Like, those are the only ones that are really worth talking about. And I think you talked about it. I mean, what's the 1 that we, that is even worth the the salt, so to speak, would be the Ipamorelin. Ipamorelin. And why is Ipamorelin with
34:01Speaker 1You do with the CJC and the Tesamorelin. I think that Sermorelin is just falling out of favor. I just don't think that there's I also you're right. If we're just saying you,
34:12Speaker 1it's kind of goes the same thing with the GHRHs, like, just take CGC or Tesamorelin. Yep. Let's do. Now on those Guad, so the GHR Hs,
34:48Speaker 1with DAC, which is the long Ester. Okay. 4 to 5, 4 to 5 effectiveness and a 3 side effect. All right. That's interesting. So, and then-1h Takes the lead.
35:02Speaker 1like we said, the Tessa is great because it also has that fat burning power. The visceral fat and belly fat, which is the holy grail of like supplements. Know, people have been trying to find out like, how do I lose fat on, you know, this part of my body? I suppose we still haven't figured out how to lose fat on every, on each individual,
35:21Speaker 1which is right on that little part that everybody has. Really just focuses on that belly fat. And that's where cortisol
35:32Speaker 1Alcohol folks who you drink a bunch of alcohol, that fat is the fat right around your belly button. That's where it accumulates 1st. That's why beer bellies are really fine. Yeah. Right? You see like, they just stick out right there. Yeah.
35:53Speaker 0Tap on just a little bit because obviously the big difference is you're taking synthetic HGH,
36:03Speaker 0you know, it always again boils down to objectives. What are you trying to do? What are your goals? Ideally,
36:09Speaker 0you could take HGH in the morning. I know we both talked about that. I think both of us, I think because you're bigger, you've said 3. Yeah. I'm a 2 guy, 2 IU guy only.
36:21Speaker 0be giving you enough growth hormone to where if you did take a secret a gog at night, it might not maximize it.
36:50Speaker 1in the morning. And that is when I suggest you take it in, in a fasted state from taking a real HGH.
36:56Speaker 1has this, well, body knows, Hey, I have a lot of growth hormone. Okay? So your pituitary then decides that's your regulator who that is making your natural stuff. It goes, Hey, look, look how much I have.
37:11Speaker 1Regardless if we take the secretagogue that is telling that, Hey, let's make more. It might still say, yeah, but I got a bunch of stuff. Not even listening to you.
37:33Speaker 1will not stop that effect, that visceral fat and belly fat burning effect that Tesamorelin gives you. So that is fully on. Good to go, right? Not stopping anything. So, but also- So what I heard from that was,
37:45Speaker 0and sorry to cut you off. But what I heard from that was if you, if you're taking the HGH,
37:57Speaker 1but if your objective is as fat, you know, Tesamorelin is going to be the play. I mean, it's funny because that's what I do HH in the morning and test it at night, but, because the Tesamorelin is going burn the fat. That's going to matter what you do. And I guess worst case scenario is it's not bad for you. Yeah. Like nothing bad will come by taking both of those. Sure. Even the CGC, like nothing bad is going come. It just might, the CGC just might not work as well. Now nothing
38:41Speaker 1Beautiful. Maximized. Yep. You don't want to take the growth at night. Now people will research and they'll see, Hey, well I see a lot of
38:49Speaker 1articles or whatever. Basically it's usually like clinical stuff to have doctors telling their patients take your growth at night. Well, why? Okay, why? Well,
39:06Speaker 1produce growth hormone is at nighttime. So doctors will go, Oh, you're not doing it. You're not promoting. You're not pushing anything out. Let's give it to you at night. Okay. What we're talking about is people who really aren't. Right.
39:19Speaker 1So you don't want to take it at night when your body is naturally doing a good job of that because then will, your body will go,
39:26Speaker 1oh shoot, I'm getting it. Maybe I won't make more. Right? I'm getting it right there. Let's make not make more. Now you just shot yourself in the foot. It's the same thing about if you're taking testosterone,
39:34Speaker 0does your body just, I don't need to make this anymore. It's literally the same thing. Exactly. Same thing. Yeah, that was good.
40:01Speaker 1And if you are taking growth or a good amount of the security guys, dude, all your muscle just stays on you. You just don't lose it. Takes a while. People go into, people go on a cycle, right? And they come off and they don't do a post cycle and they should lose absolutely everything. If you're on growth, damn, nothing got lost. True. It's amazing.
40:19Speaker 1And so we get and that's what it was for, for muscles wasting. For AIDS patients who what that is doing, just eating your muscle away until you die. So that's why this was developed mostly. Mostly. That and
40:35Speaker 1But so there, but I also think that the fat burning, the 1 thing is the biggest thing I've noticed is almost when I've stopped these and I've got, oh, that's what it was doing. Right? Like, damn, my body was so much more frustrating.
40:56Speaker 1effects, you know, to look younger, getting rid of wrinkles, that one's long term. We're talking years. Heads down. But it's worth it. I plan to
41:05Speaker 1you know, I still plan to do like 1 IU while trying to make a baby, but I can play your doctor's growth. Yeah. Well, somebody did. I had, I had a
41:14Speaker 11 chemist tell me to do that, but I've also known friends whose doctors told them to start growth. Yeah. Interesting. So
41:32Speaker 1really- It really does help. It's going to, you know, 10 years later, right? I'll look like I've aged 5 years. If the technology's there, dude, we know how to take it safely. I don't know. I don't understand people.
41:43Speaker 0Like the benefits outweigh any different negatives, but they're just focused on those negatives. And this is just my opinion. I mean, yeah. And
41:50Speaker 1You You do you all to me. You're right. If this kills me 5 years before I'm supposed to die
41:55Speaker 1Did you die 5 years? 5 years? 5 years earlier. I which in those 5 years, I didn't want him. Yeah. She died. Right. Those are shit. Those are the worst years. She looked them good.
42:04Speaker 1Those are good, man. I don't have to my family, like, suffocate me. Like, my poor mother's, like, the last will and testament. She's like, I will not be put in a nursing home. You will suffocate me. Tell them your mom. Before. Right. I had to, like, she had to read her last will and testament and make me promise that she I would do that. That's funny. And take her out to see Sun every single day, matter what position she's And
42:27Speaker 0yeah, so I'm not looking for- Yeah, man. Well, that was good. Now we got a Super Bowl weekend and that's it. I know we were having Doctor. Tyler Stanley on next week.
42:37Speaker 0I know we were a little bit jumping the gun because we had a TRT doctor on last week, but we're going to try to focus on
42:44Speaker 0AIs. We're going to try to focus on a little bit of women because I know we tapped on it, but we're going to dig into that a little bit because we got a lot of questions from that podcast, as you can imagine. So there's still a lot. So we're going to have another doctor on and
42:59Speaker 1a little bit of a different flare. Yeah, he's a little bit of a different- PHP, well, he used to, he's like, if you ask him, watch, he'll say the PHP
43:07Speaker 1is crap and a joke. Why do that? Yeah. So I don't know. We'll ask him and see how much he'll give us. I went in when
43:12Speaker 0I was trying to combat and not have the back surgery, I was going to him and he was blasting me with stem cells. I mean, it didn't work for me, but anyways, he does that so we can touch on that a little bit because it's definitely a good subject. Yep. And right, right. Women, a long term AIs or AIs at all.
43:34Speaker 0the bad outlook. Yeah. Yes. Yes. We're so much more accepted, but like But well, but then again, we the cart for the horse. Like, we're talking about gear, steroid cycle where it's yielding gyno where you could gotta cut that sucker off because that will grow and you're screwed.
43:48Speaker 1TRT, you don't really need an AI. You don't. You shouldn't be taking so much that you get estrogen issues. Now, but some people
43:56Speaker 0inevitably do, right? Mean, some people are more sensitive. See, I was talking to him because he came in the other day, Doctor. Tyler, he's great human. He's good a, dude. So anyways, we were touching on this a little bit and just conversation, you know, and he was telling me his estrogen was 150 and I'm like, What? What the hell are we talking about, bro? Are you serious? And he was telling us free testosterone, I think he said it was 300 and total. And I'm like,
44:26Speaker 1Each is our man. You know you guys are linebacker at West Virginia? I didn't know that. Yeah. University of West Virginia. I don't know if he ever, like, played on the field, but he went to practice. I don't know if he played for a little bit. Rudy. Rudy. Yeah. Mean, I don't wanna be yeah. No, it'd be fun. Be nice and educational.
44:55Speaker 0I think we're a little bit behind, so let's try to catch those up. Let's go maybe cut out some of the questions that are redundant. Okay. Yeah, we're still behind unanswered people. We answer about 10 to 12 days. We have enough time for, but maybe we'll kind of have, our editor go through and get some of the redundant ones out and catch back up. So we'll be putting that on the story. Other than that,
45:18Speaker 1everybody have fun this weekend. Shit, if you live where we do, I mean, it's still going be 80 degrees out. It's It's hot in here. Turn that AC on. I'm off. She's got us a blast. January.
45:29Speaker 0I know. Look where we live, bro, it's all good. Yeah. All right, guys, we will catch you on the next round. All love. That's it. Good night.