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0:38Speaker 1Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host JD Dem. Across the way, William T. Hass. And Me.
0:50Speaker 1who just a Jedi. He's been on the show. He's a he's a he's a crowd favorite. You know who he is. So we've been talking for the last hour. At least.
1:00Speaker 3Hour off camera. We're just Should we start recording? Yeah. The usual standard operating procedure between the 3 of us. Thank
1:13Speaker 1we just had him on, what, 2 weeks ago? And he called us, he was coming down to do some work on some business stuff and let's get you on the podcast, You cool? He said, Of course, man. Love to be here anytime We don't miss the opportunity to have you live, dude. And get tattooed. You'll come down here to get tattooed. Absolutely. I didn't say that. No.
1:29Speaker 1Good, bro. Why not? Why not? He's from LA. Yeah. Remember that. Awesome. Good times. Yep.
1:35Speaker 1Yep. Well, good, man. Yes. So it's really good to have you here. And what are we talking about? Well, I before we get going, wanted to say that, you know, we had a little couple of backlash in regards to some people that were Indeed, we did. Quite upset.
1:49Speaker 1Yes. Now you get a little taste of my world that I've been swimming in for the last 2 years. Broke up. Bless you, man. If you post anything, you're just attacked. Yeah. But for everybody out there that
2:03Speaker 3peptides. Yeah. If you don't think that you should, don't do it. That's Don't get mad. If we do. And I didn't realize that you need to be very explicit to Don't say attack us. Yeah. To say we were just trying to help, guys, number 1. But but to be very explicit, okay,
2:19Speaker 3And if you mix anything like AOD with acetic acid, don't do that. Right? If you've got a different mixing agent than backwater, don't do that. But I will also say, right, without naming names, I work with actual MDs, medical doctors that that teach and train their own patients and other people they work with, myself included,
2:36Speaker 3that when you get peptides, just go ahead and mix it to where you can take 10 units out of each of them for your dose and then put them in the syringe and mix it, again, with the caveat of not doing GLPs, not doing, things that are mixed with, stuff that's not bacteriostatic. Right. So right. We'll put that to bed. Smart in my opinion. Why does he wanna take bed, guys. Jabs instead of 1? You know what? Maybe people like So we'll just let them do it. The funniest part though and, like, so, you know, and this is an attack on anybody, but, you know, I don't read a lot of my comments for obvious reasons. And,
3:12Speaker 1like, the peptide Jedi. He's Computers. All the conferences, like, the most studied peptide guy that I know,
3:18Speaker 3and the construction worker saying that you shouldn't do it. So Yeah. I'm just gonna go with my friend, Paul. Appreciate you, man. You know? You know? And and look, we can all be well read on this stuff. The thing is is that I come from the clinical application side of it is what we're talking about. Right? With a lot of, info behind you. And that's the thing is because I had to sit down and go, okay, well, what does this mean and what does that mean? And then I had to learn to be able to speak to the doctors, to speak to the surgeons, people who are open people up. And God bless those guys and girls because they are humble enough to go, hey man, I don't know this about peptides,
3:48Speaker 3or how should I do this when it comes to boosting up someone's testosterone naturally? What does that look like? Because they wanna conceive. Right? And that's what we were talking about just a minute ago, and I go, you know what? Those are the types of doctors that we all want to know, we all want to work with because they're going, Hey,
4:02Speaker 3need some help here. Help me out. And my hat's off to those guys and girls because I go, Man, they've been through years and years of medical school and they're still humble enough to go, wait a 2nd, I don't know this, Paul, and you've been doing this for so long, can you help me with that?
4:15Speaker 2And you've been doing it inside clinics and seeing patients and seeing results for years. Yes. Like, yeah, I know we could look
4:25Speaker 2you know, some of these layers, for example, some of these legal supplements out that are in at GNC, right? Yep. That have a great look at what the science says. And you're like, dude, that's amazing. Right? But
4:36Speaker 2you take it and yeah, cool. At a cellular level, might be doing that, but it's not enough. It needs to do that by times a 100,000 to actually
4:45Speaker 2make it work on you. Yeah. So same thing with, cool people. You could, we could find some issues with some things we say, but because you wrote, because you read it on a paper and a deep report, right? But like, yes, you have practical experience to see actually-
5:00Speaker 3are actually working in real You nailed it, man. And that's Pretty damn smart is what we're saying. I try to be, man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know what it is is that at the end of the day, I stay curious just like you guys do, just like everybody else that's listening to us because I want to know so I can learn for myself, help those I love, and help anyone else that wants to ask. Well, we love you, man. Likewise, bro. Everybody's that's why we should have 3 sit down here in the gym, man. An hour. That's it. Because we love it. Same here, man. Don't talk about supplements. And and you know what? That's why when when you go, hey, dude. You wanna come back? I go, when do I not wanna come back, 1st of all? But the the last time I was here, I think, like, a few weeks before the last time I was here, maybe, like, a month or so, I spoke at a at a conference for the the orthopedic surgeons, plastic surgeons. It was a really, really great conference. And what I spoke about was peptides for recovering inflammation.
5:47Speaker 3And when you'd ask me, you go, Hey, man, what do you think we should talk about this next time? I go, Well, I spoke about this for the surgeons that are opening people up, and it seemed to help them. And I go, Well, we could talk about some of the autoimmune and things like that that I've seen in actual
6:04Speaker 1You know? So, yeah. So hell yeah. You guys are with it. Boom. Let's talk about some autoimmune. I mean, I would imagine, jeez, man, so many people. For sure. We'd what was the what was the the we had read
6:23Speaker 2autoimmune disorders occur in women. So women are way more susceptible, but JD pointed out that He did. And it's probably true. It's like Women
6:39Speaker 2That's okay. He's not wrong, dude. And you are way more if you have 1, way more susceptible to have another because something is happening that has caused 1. Yep. Usually. Right? Inflammation's going off. Yeah. A domino effect.
7:07Speaker 1I would think, at least my opinion from some of the stuff I've read, is some of the culprit is antibiotics,
7:19Speaker 1are gonna be something that's gonna actually give a shot and actually rectify A lot easier on the system.
7:24Speaker 3Kinds of stuff. Oh, actually, you just made me think about this. So the other day, I was I was with 1 of my good friends, and his dad is
7:39Speaker 3everything with high cholesterol. So he's got a lot going on, and we've helped him over the last year quite a bit. But what I noticed was in this last blood work, I go, I go, what's going on with his kidney function? What's happening here? Come to find out the pharmaceuticals that he's on that's supposed to help him with a bunch of other stuff, right, that he's getting,
8:00Speaker 3really, really bad. So that's when we started to talk about, okay, SS-31. We need to do this. We gotta keep him on Retta. We gotta bring this down. So to your point, man, I I I do see a lot of that. And and again, just so everyone knows, it's I'm not acting on my own. Right? I've got not only do I have attorneys that sit on the board of my companies, but I've also got actual DOs and MDs that sit on there too. Yeah. So, you know, I've got people that I confer with and and I go, hey, man. Like, this is what I'm seeing or that this is the way that I would do it. Right? And and, you know, thank God that that I've been well read enough to I can earn their respect. But at the end of the day, it's all about helping that 81 year old guy that's suffering. Right? And what do we do for those people? So to your point, you're absolutely right, man, when it comes to those antibiotics and things like that from the pharmaceutical side of Is it usually people that you're helping, I'm sure they come from everywhere, but is it generally
8:47Speaker 1people that kind of know what you do or they just come in and here's how I feel and how do you start? You start with the blood work and then kind of go from there? Is it just typically- That's a big question. When they say this is I've been diagnosed with SIBO or
8:59Speaker 3All of the above, dude. Okay. All of the above. So sometimes what's happening for me is that I'll be working with a clinic where I'm consulting with the clinic owners and everything, whoever that could be. And then the NP, whoever's dealing with the actual patient, they'll go, hey, Paul, this is what I'm dealing with now. And I tell them week after week when I'm consulting with them, I go, look, my favorite thing,
9:17Speaker 3and I say my it's my favorite thing, and I'm sure it's not that patients, but I go, I wanna hear the hardest patient that you guys are dealing with this week or something that's that's really tough for you that you're dealing with. Right? Because not to say that I know everything by any means whatsoever, but I go, that's how we learn. Sure. Right? And if I don't know the answer, I go, let me find out. Let me go talk to to the doctors and anyone that I respect that I know that they could potentially find the answer. And if we don't know it, we'll sit down and we'll find out. Yeah. We'll do the research. Yeah, man. We'll the research and we'll figure it out. So that's how it comes. And and now because of because of of you guys and all the good that you're putting out there, a lot of folks will just hit me up on on Instagram
9:51Speaker 3Good. And just go, hey, man. You know what? This is what I'm dealing with. Or the someone yesterday just goes, hey. Is it okay? And I love that she was so polite about it. She goes, she goes, is it okay if I I'd literally go fire away. Yeah. You know, like, I wanna hear about it. Like, that's how we learn. That's if I can help, I'd I'm more than happy to. That's awesome. Yeah. So rewarding when you're helping those people. So so tell us a little bit about some of the ones that you dealt with. So what I spoke about last time, at this conference was was like I said, it was literally for recovering inflammation was what my slide deck was on. And then the peptides that I went through were for tissue repair, gut inflammation, immune regulation, and then cellular mitochondrial
10:30Speaker 3in my in my presentation that I that I sent to you guys so you could see it. If I go, hey, bro. You having trouble sleeping? Read read this presentation just like and so help you out. No doubt. Right? I go, hey, man. Just flip through this. So JD goes, love it. I go, that that dude's the best. He's so nice to me all the time. I go, here's my slide deck. He goes, oh, dude. Perfect. So so when I was talking about tissue repair, I'll just give you guys a brief overview from and I got my whole speaker notes out right that I that when I was chatting to to everybody. But but, basically, when I was talking about tissue repair, of course, we're talking about TB 500 BPC. Sure. And then things like angiogenesis came up, which we addressed on our last podcast a little bit too.
11:06Speaker 3And then gun inflammation, I was talking about KPV and and where BPC also plays a role in that.
11:12Speaker 3Immune regulation, thymosin alpha 1, thymosin, which I wanna go through today as far as, like, what the difference is between those 2. And then LL-thirty 7, which is super powerful. And the way that you really bring that in when we're dealing with things with autoimmune,
11:24Speaker 3that really matters. Sure. Right? And I'm gonna talk about how you layer these in and and exactly the same talk that I was given to these medical professionals. And when it came to the cellular and the mitochondrial, that's where we were talking about MOTS-three,
11:44Speaker 31 before MOTS-three, right? And the example that I gave was, I know, because I know I'm getting off track. I just wanna address this real quick. We've talked about We've
11:53Speaker 3about this before? Okay. So well, between us. Yeah. But but the thing was is that someone asked me this or was in a comment or DM. Sorry, guys. My my days all blur together. Me too. Right? Like, you guys get it. So so the I I try to give the example where I go, think about SS 31
12:10Speaker 3cleaning up or repairing the engine before MOTS-3. Is you pressing on the gas pedal? It's good way put it. Right? Like, I kinda try to give them that analogy. Yeah. So so that's that's the difference,
12:20Speaker 3of why you would wanna bring SS 31 1st for the for the mitochondrial repair before you really step on the gas with the MOTS-three. So you do also so using that is a perfect way to say it. Sure. Do you run them in tandem also? You can run them in tandem. I me, personally, if there's an issue really going on with that person, I'd like to run SS 31 1st before I do more. And then pull the SS 31. Yep. Okay. Pull the SS 31. Exactly. And then also with the with the cellular mitochondrial
12:46Speaker 3peptides, I also said, hey, there's systemic players as well, VIP and ARA 2 90. Yeah. So those were the ones that I covered. Right? But I know that today, based off of of what we wanted to talk about was was some of the autoimmune things because that's why I love that you guys let in with, hey, man, 80% of the
13:03Speaker 3autoimmune folks out there are ladies. And to your point, dude, that's actually a really good point. I'm sure it's guys too, but we just don't know because we don't go. Right? Because the ladies are actually and I'm not saying this because it's just literally, when it comes to their health, man, are they intelligent? And that's why most of the questions that I get are from ladies that are going That's true. Right? What we do with Like, all the time. Most, like, articulate, man, our milk. Brilliant. Yeah. With our I'm hurting. Yeah. Yeah. The wounds, like, longer. Yeah. Like, hey, I've been dealing with this. I go, wow. This is really detailed. And and it's fantastic because it gives me more so I can actually help them. But, yeah, man. Well, here's so sorry. Here's the next question. The insurance company, it's a guy that they say that,
13:41Speaker 2and I know if I'm if I'm throwing out statistics, I'm probably talking but about my it is something like this, so don't quote me an exact stats, but like, something like 60 percent of car accidents are women.
14:05Speaker 2and just fender bender. Yeah. All the time. Men rarely get an accident. When we do, we kill everybody. We make it counts. We make it. It really counts. So Oh, shit. There it is. Yeah, man. That was a good statistic.
14:19Speaker 3Yeah. What does it mean to some Mars, the book? Yeah. It checks out. Makes sense. Completely. Yeah. A 100%. Makes sense for what we see. Alright. Sorry to give a sidetrack. No. I love it. So where do you wanna start? Should we start about what do you do if would say, like like, there's we have some that you've you've cured,
14:35Speaker 1I imagine. Let's talk about just some of the, like, main types of autoimmune. There's countless. Right? There are. Like, there's some that, like, are very common.
14:50Speaker 3during like an autoimmune disorder? Disorder. Fantastic question. What's happening? So essentially what's happening is the body is attacking itself.
15:03Speaker 3it's attacking the thyroid. When someone's with Crohn's, we know all of these things, it's attacking a specific part of the human body, psoriasis. Right? Skin.
15:11Speaker 3So so and and actually, I've I've brought those 2 up. What did I just say? Hashimoto's and and Crohn's because I'm gonna give an overview of what we do for autoimmune, and then I'm gonna go deeper into those 2 specifically, right, with some protocols.
15:26Speaker 3And again, like I said, the timing is what really matters. So when it comes to the the
15:35Speaker 3let me see your notes real quick, Will, because you actually wrote them out, and I wanna address the ones that I circled here. Yeah. So things like psoriasis,
15:44Speaker 3I'm I'm gonna skip over Hashimoto's and Crohn's because we're gonna do a deep dive into those. But lupus, Lyme,
15:57Speaker 3a lot of these issues that folks are having. Okay? So so if you guys are cool with I'll just jump right in the protocol. Okay. Hell yeah. So that's what the people want. Love it. This is how the thing is. And I'm gonna and I'm gonna talk about
16:12Speaker 3of thymosin and thymosin Alpha-one. Okay? So why do both of these have the word, you know, thymosin, thyma so what they are doing and what they're like, what thymosin Alpha-one mimics is the and I keep going right here because I remember you guys when I was training you guys, like, when we're talking about, it it mimics the thymus gland. And the thymus gland is, like, above your heart but below your throat. So it's, like, right about
16:37Speaker 3And we know that as we age Whoops. As we age Leave that in, by the way. Don't cut that out. As we age,
16:47Speaker 3Right? So that's why you get sick. That's why things start to happen. So what you're doing is by bringing in thymosin alpha-one is it's mimicking your
16:56Speaker 3thymus gland of your immune system, boosting those T cells, which are responsible for keeping you healthy. Okay. So think about thymosin alpha 1 as a quick hit to the immune system. Okay? It's a sprint.
17:21Speaker 3Okay? You can do that together. So now you've got something that's reeducating your system overall. Okay? And it's going after literally everything in the immune system, T cells, cytokines.
17:42Speaker 3there's a problem here. Go fix that. Oh, there's inflammation there. We got to look at this. Or there needs to be inflammation here because there's something going on here. Right? So that's what the cytokines are doing. Those are are messengers. Right?
17:52Speaker 3So what's happening now is that you've got thymalon that's for the long haul, reeducating your your system, your immune system. Thymosin Alpha-one quick hit sprint to boost up your immune system.
18:04Speaker 3Now what we also wanna do, and we have to time it the right way because there's certain reactions that people can have called like a Herxheimer reaction that that we were discussing off camera just a minute ago. So and I'll go into that too.
18:20Speaker 3there's a lot of things or let's even take it back to a person maybe like in the office that every time there's a cold,
18:26Speaker 3they're always getting sick. Sure. You're like, dude, why is, you know, Jenny or Mark always the person that's getting sick in the office every single time? They just seem like something's going on. And no matter what they do, they can't get rid of it. Well, what's happening thanks, brother. So what's happening keep No problem. So what's happening in that person
18:43Speaker 3is 9 times out of 10, they've got pathogens that are sitting in the biofilm, right, of their system
18:49Speaker 3that isn't getting treated. It's just those sneaky little pathogens that are sitting in there. So what do we do? Well, that's where LL-thirty 7 comes into play. Why? Because LL 37, what it's gonna do is it's gonna penetrate that biofilm,
19:02Speaker 3but it will create a pathogen dump. Okay? Wow. That's interesting. So when you have that pathogen dump, what that can do is create what's called the Herxheimer response. Right? Yep. And that's h e r x and then HMR. H h e r x. Early. Yes. You're screwed. Exact so if you do if you do that LL 37 too early, right, it can it can cause some really negative reactions, right, which is that Herxheimer response where you go, oh, man, that person's Herxing out. They're they're having a problem. Inflammation comes up. They feel like crap. What's happening? Okay. So,
19:36Speaker 3Alpha-one Quick Sprint, and then you have LL 37 to penetrate that biofilm to get that those path those nasty pathogens out. You can have that big pathogen jump dump. Now what do you do to clean that up? You're gonna bring in VIP,
19:49Speaker 3the gastrointestinal peptide. Okay? That's gonna come in and clean up those nasty pathogens, right? And we know that that's a fantastic thing when it comes to neuroinflammation
19:58Speaker 3to a lot of other stuff. Also, it's in the name of gastrointestinal peptide, so it's for the gut health, right? So it's gonna do a lot of great things. Okay? Now the way that I would say to run it and you got you guys are cool, like, if I go into it a little bit. Okay. Absolutely. So the way that I would do this is
20:13Speaker 3I would bring in the, thymosin and the thymosin alpha 1 at the same time. But then with the LL 37, I would only do that for for very
20:22Speaker 3small amount, and I'm talking about a 125 mics for 50 days. Right? I always go I always do this when I have 5 0 because people go
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20:57Speaker 3Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. Oh, 15 days ago? No, no, no, 5 0. Right? And and you're gonna do that straight through. And then once you're done with that, keep the thymosin, keep the thymosin alpha-one going, but then bring in the VIP.
21:16Speaker 3LL-thirty 7 is done, and you're gonna typically start with about a 100 mics. Okay. Okay? VIP? 100 mic program.
21:25Speaker 3And then you're gonna do that typically 3 days a week, and then you wanna build your way up to 200 mics and then stay there. And don't start at 200 mics because you will go be a cherry. Yes. You will flush immediately.
21:41Speaker 3like, 10 years, like, natural, like, angel approach. Let's just do, like, 3 times is what they say. He's like, know what? I'll just pull back on that plunger a little bit more. Okay. I go, wait. This sounds like experienced talking right here. Okay. I've been in recovery for 15 years, guys. Yeah. So this is this is gonna be the overall protocol as as I would call it That's great. For for the things like psoriasis,
22:04Speaker 3Okay? Is so common. Toxicity. Sure. Right? Yeah. This is the overall thing. Okay? And and that's why I just wanted to go into that to just get that out there for folks. TA 1? So TA-one,
22:17Speaker 3mg 3 times a week. And I know you're about to ask me for Thymalon, so let me pull Now is Thymalon a, it does that mean it's a bioregulator?
22:28Speaker 2it sounds like bioregulators are. Like for Cartilacs, for example, Cartilacs is basically like teaching your
22:36Speaker 2kind of how to grow- How to grow. How to grow and be able to grow back more efficiently.
22:50Speaker 2like, yeah, reeducation. Let's do this a little bit better because we forget, like, everything as we get older, our tendons, cartilage or tendons, mostly ligaments Yep. Break down easier because
23:06Speaker 2Is that is that true? Is it a barrier regulator or not at all? So with Thymalon, it's gonna be the same thing as Epiphalin.
23:13Speaker 3So you're typically gonna do 1 to 10 mg for 10 days straight. K. Right? So again, probably about 5 to 10 mg. 10 days straight is how you wanna do it. So that's why I was like, keep that going at the same time as you're doing the thymosin alpha-one. Thymosin Alpha-one, you can typically do that for 6 to 8 weeks, 1.5 mg, 3 times a week. Yeah. Right? And then How long for thymosin?
23:41Speaker 3You know what? I'm gonna look that up, and I'm gonna find out because, look, everything that it's doing, you can see the we can cut this out or leave it in whatever, but it's
23:56Speaker 2why I say it's a reeducation of your immune system. Right? Which is bringing usually the bioregulators, hence the rim. Yeah, let me understand. Is
24:02Speaker 2bringing your body to where it should be. Like a bioregulator is not gonna bring you to anything like super physiological levels. This is not what it does.
24:17Speaker 3These bioregulators will reach 100% and bring us right back to where we should be. Yeah. Yeah. No. A 100%. It is. So the other thing that I wanna go through, as far as the other ones that you mentioned, Hashimoto's and then Yes. Crohn's was the other 1 that I have. Specific
24:34Speaker 1protocols for. Okay. So these were not these were for not for Crohn's. This is for Lyme's.
24:39Speaker 3Crohn's is a little bit so it's almost the exact same, and that's why I go all of these are almost same. Very similar. Would imagine. For Crohn's, what I would also bring in is BPC-
24:49Speaker 1You wouldn't send yourselves on this. You would probably steal with this, though. Absolutely. They can't help you. Absolutely.
24:54Speaker 3And no KPV for the gut? No, no, 100. That's the 1st thing I'd bring in is KPV and BPC,
25:06Speaker 3for the mitochondrial health. Right? Towards end? Towards the end. And then this is the other 1 that I mentioned. I think we're off camera or maybe we're we're talking, but this is where I said, I'd also bring in a support sack of glutathione. Sure.
25:19Speaker 3and then I also add a glutamine L glutamine in there too. Absolutely. So that's for Crohn's. For sure. Okay? So just as I said, the overarching thing for the, for the immune system, right, for the autoimmune is the 1st 1 that we spoke about. But then for Crohn's, bring in this this support stack, glutathione,
25:39Speaker 3And then also make sure that you're also running this with KPV and BPC too. Sure. That helps out. Orals in particular, or does it matter? So Yeah. It you know, for the gut health, I actually would prefer the orals. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's gonna go directly to the source. Right. So that's how I would do it. So that's Crohn's. Then for Hashimoto's,
26:05Speaker 3Yep. Of people in, like, 18 hundreds with Hashimoto's. Sad, bro. Sad. It's really sad. Yeah. So It gets it yeah. It, like, deforms you. Yeah. And and that's the saddest thing is that and and it makes people just honestly feel like shit for lack of better term. You know, low energy. They're just like, oh, I don't know what's going on. And when they realize that they have that, there's a lot of things that we can do. And quite frankly, that overall autoimmune
26:27Speaker 3protocol that we just spoke about with with Thymalon with t a 1, LL 37 VIP. You can you can take pieces of that. So I would still bring in the the TA 1, the Thymalin.
26:36Speaker 3I'd also bring in, again, BPC, KPV, and even MOTS-seven just like Crohn's as well. But then the other part of this is that if you wanted to do something where where you can start to bring in
26:50Speaker 3for the for the muscle wasting side of Hashimoto's because we're GH peptide. Yep. Bring in GH peptide. You're my mind. Around. No. Well, you know what? I actually said you can do Tesamorelin or CJC and Epimorelin. Okay. Right? Either 1 of those is fine, but you just wanna make sure that that insulin's controlled. Okay? Thyroid levels are are optimized,
27:07Speaker 1and then the autoimmune markers are starting to trend down. That's what you're looking for before you bring in that for the GH access. Right? Well, so we went through a lot of those. So is there a particular order? Like, we went through this 1 and you kind of start with- Which 1? The TA-one, the Kron. So that's a little bit more in-depth with the BPC and the KPV and the
27:29Speaker 3or you just kinda see how they're progressing? So that's the thing, right, is we wanna look at everyone's clinical response. Sure. Whatever it is that we're doing. So let's talk about Crohn's since you just mentioned that 1. So with Crohn's, as I said, I'd still bring in the the Thymalon, the TA-one.
27:41Speaker 3At that same time, I would bring in KPV and BPC also, and I'd bring them in orally, right, just to help that gut health, and then see where they're at with that. Right? If they're if they're still kinda like they're starting to respond or they're not doing as good as you want, then you can bring in that LL-thirty 7. Like respond like as in like maybe getting sick because the gut is getting starting to have problems and like maybe releasing some toxins. Yep. Let's see how they're actually doing. Right. What's some of like start to release the toxins and you bring in the VIP clean it. Exactly. And then MOTS-3C afterwards to clean up that mitochondrial health.
28:16Speaker 3and I think I may have said this before. Say it so much, I don't even know where when I said it, but just so that we have it. Yeah. I'm like, no. I don't even remember where this came from. Yeah. I need Dihexa.
28:25Speaker 3Me pick some up before I leave. The thing is is that there is not really gonna be a a peptide protocol
28:32Speaker 3that could not benefit from BPC. Sure. Sure. You know what I mean? Like, there really is. Yeah. So so what BPC does and the way that it works and
28:46Speaker 3I saw a doctor on on, and I forgot whose podcast it was. Yeah. Pretty big podcast. I know you never know. It's, the guy that, Sean Ryan. Thank you. And That was unreal. Yeah. Where were you I'd like, please make her stop. Yeah. The the way and and That was marketing for big pharma. I could not believe out of people. Was nuts. Overboard. She did not sell it well. I was just like Like, is a cool man. Believe he had her on. Yeah. Stop her. I don't know who she I don't know who she was. It was, 1 of the 1st times I've ever seen her. Oh, bro. And and again, you know what? Maybe she's misinformed. I'll I'll I'll just say that. You know? Because I try to not say I try to give people Ben for the doubt as we all do. Right? And I go, maybe she's misinformed, whatever it is. But at the end of the day, what what actually made me happy was I did see a lot of rebuttals to that. Yeah. You really do whatever. Thank God with BPC, dude. And 1 of the guys actually, he he came out and he goes, look. Because what she was talking about angiogenesis,
29:38Speaker 3That's why I just was like, woah. That's odd for a doctor to do that or or to say that. But when it comes to angiogenesis, just for the record, and I said this last time too, and I sent you guys study. Yeah. And I'll just repeat it for for people who've seen that. The thing is is that the angiogenesis that when we've studied it, and again, I don't wanna offend the mice or the rat community because I can't remember if it was mice or rats. Sure. Right? But it was 1 of it was rodent. I
30:11Speaker 3Every single time, the angiogenesis from BPC is actually occurring in the wound. So it's going towards the the wound to heal it. Right? And then when there was other studies, and I actually had this conversation with with a really fantastic orthopedic surgeon
30:40Speaker 3BPC. And I sent you guys the studies last time, so feel free to share. But in those studies, they were going up to anywhere from 10 to 20 mg per kg of body weight in rats and dogs,
30:51Speaker 3but then they were doing that for 28 days straight. Sure. Right? So the studies are there. Now does that mean that it translates perfectly to a human being? No, it doesn't. Right? We don't know. Right? But I'm just saying that with those studies,
31:08Speaker 3this isn't gonna happen. Right? So Well, like, so that lady was just all fear mongering. I mean, it was, like, so overboard that, like, this she's a whore walker. Yeah. I I was shocked, dude. Like, was so overboard trying to scare people. Like, you're talking about BPC 1 5 7, lady. Like, And I love how Sean Ryan Sean Ryan even goes, hey, man. I've taken BPC 1 5 7. Yeah. She still went into that, and I was like, you know, because here's the thing. Okay. So here here's another part of anecdotal evidence, right, that that we'll just say. In The United States, we know that there are 1000001
31:38Speaker 3research peptide companies. Right? So why is it that we haven't seen this incredible hockey stick spike of just cancer everywhere? Right? Like, why has that not happened? So so again and and and you know what, guys? I I come from that from years and years ago. I I was a competitor. I I was in bodybuilding. Right? The thing is is that we can call that bro science all day long. But now that I'm actually talking to doctors and medical professionals, we just call it anecdotal evidence, but it's still the same Right? It's anecdotal evidence all the way around. Right? So I'm like, let's be clear. Right? So so the thing is is that why don't we have so we have anecdotal evidence with with the research community. Right? A lot. Right? Where I'm like, okay. So then where's the spike in in cancer? Yeah. Right. Right? We're not seeing it. So that's why I just I thank you for giving me the chance to address You have that
32:23Speaker 1okay. We could talk about this little pebble that we might trip over 1 day instead of the Mount Everest of benefit. Right. Or
32:31Speaker 1we could talk about the Doritos. We could talk about the seed oils, we could talk about all the shit we eat, the fake food. Let's talk about that. 100. So if you wanna talk about it, like, that's when people like stirring that stuff at me, I'm like, why don't you talk about Doritos and all the stuff that's really causing cancer instead of BPC that actually is a chain of amino acids that you get from your gut? Like, Yeah. I'm gonna go with either A 100%, dude. I couldn't agree with you more. It And and you know what? To your point, there's there are some nice positive things on social media that I see from time to time, right, where someone posted some it was it was brilliant. It said, look, as a man, you are far safer
33:09Speaker 3and actually being healthy than being 100 pounds overweight. Yeah. All day long. Absolutely.
33:17Speaker 3you know? It's crazy, man. You know, so that's the thing. And again, when it comes to what we're talking about for peptides for recovery and inflammation,
33:25Speaker 3there's a lot of fantastic things that we can do, like, after your surgery, man. Yeah. You know? I subbed- Oh, did you? Well, I mean, a lot of people sell that podcast,
33:33Speaker 3obviously. So, I mean, to this day, Yep. It's almost every q and a we get. What was that protocol? And you know what? The thing is is that that whole protocol came from that study Sure. Where I just go, hey, man. Look at what they're doing right here. Ran it by some doctors, and they go, you know, in theory, you could do this. And I go, okay. Cool. I'm gonna do it. You know? And I did. JD.
33:51Speaker 3Was like, I'm I do this literally told you. I go, dude, I did this for myself, just so you know. I've I've helped people with surgery. All new ones come back. I go, JD, you wanna do this? And he goes, yeah. A 100%. I'm gonna do that. I go, cool, man. So there you go. And it's all about, like, being able to help people. But go ahead, bro. I know you wanna ask me something. I guess.
34:12Speaker 3Actually, I want you to talk about vitiligo because you you had a good experience with this. Personal experience with that and, psoriasis.
34:28Speaker 2just simply took BPC TB-five hundred. Love it. And, I mean, those things are down to it's like dimes on his elbow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I
34:39Speaker 2has vitiligo. So vitiligo, everybody, if you don't know, is like, if you see people, it's like the pigmentation.
34:45Speaker 2You're still You're losing the pigmentation. You're losing the pigmentation. Yep. So you see blotches, and it's kind of worse if you're if you're like African American because You'll see it. You see it a lot worse. Right? If you're a pale skinned white person, it's not that bad. You
35:26Speaker 3is gone. And this is with vitiligo? This is vitiligo. This is fantastic. And that completely makes sense because, look, with, with melanotin,
35:36Speaker 3Mhmm. Right? That's, that's fantastic, dude. And and that's why when you ask me a vitiligo, I go, I actually don't have experience with that 1, so I'd love to hear your experience. So I appreciate you sharing that. And then and then, obviously, you know, BPC, like, people don't even know. BPC with angiogenesis,
35:51Speaker 2yes. Just kinda it's great for your skin. Yeah. So just get issue with just your your your dermal layer. Absolutely. That's gonna help.
36:00Speaker 3Because, look, at the end of the day, what's BPC really doing for you? Right? It's it's helping your body to absorb the collagen that you're eating. Right. Right? And then you pair that with what you said GHK-two. GHK-two
36:14Speaker 3And then you got TB-five hundred, which is also creating the environment for your body for its own stem cell production. Yeah. And then there was something else that you just mentioned in there, or was that it? That was it. I think that was for TB-five hundred, BPC, GHK- CU,
36:26Speaker 1Melanotan. Melanotan. Thank you. That was it. With the pigmentation, man. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, then throwing in KPV always. Yeah, you can. I mean, why not? Why not? Obviously, in the 4 holes, I mean, why not? Mean, you don't wanna obviously throw the kitchen sink at it, but I guess you can. Yeah.
36:49Speaker 1spent forever. I started getting it when I was running the mortgage company. Yeah. It was right at the end. So I had to stand in front of people looking nice, and all of a sudden I started getting these big welts Yeah. All over my head. And I'm like, what the hell is this? You know what I mean? Well, that's what I was telling you guys, man, is that I got alopecia really bad. That's why I've done the skin fade for years and it's in the back of my head. Now I just keep the skin fade because I like it. Right. But, dude, same thing. I was stressing. Well, so I went to the doctor. I thought that we had talked about this, but so if I did, but I lick you at a word, I say it. But I went to the GI doctor like you, not as much as you, but I study stuff. Like I started reading about like, what is going on with my stomach? Now I have been down the so called rabbit hole for quite some time, and I know that the gut is a culprit, a lot of the things. So
37:30Speaker 1I had to wait 3 months to see this GI doctor, and he was an Indian guy, right, and saw my tattoos and just looked at me just like like like I was this white trash guy and I was just like about to smack him, you know, like, whatever, bro. But I said to him, I said, listen, man, like,
37:45Speaker 1I I think I have leaky gut, you know, blah blah blah. I'm trying to figure out what's going on, but I don't what I mean. And he was like
37:56Speaker 1know what I mean? Typical Western medicine. Yeah. Right. And I'm like, Oh man, I should have just, you know, when he started giving me the high bounce. But anyways,
38:03Speaker 1now they admit it. Mean, now it was years ago. But, I mean, so like you again, I just started studying brother. I just started studying. I went to doctors and they, there's no cure. Here's some antibiotics. Like, why would I take that? Like, why would I take that if you said there's no cure? That's my gut.
38:20Speaker 1That's how I cured it. For 6 months, took it for I ate carnivore strict for 6 months. That's why I started doing it. I started studying different diets.
38:32Speaker 1after 6 months, it was gone. That's amazing. As soon as I strayed from Carnivore to slightly, it started to come back and it's been gone ever since. I've been back ever since. So I've been kind of trying to beat it. So obviously,
38:48Speaker 1Will's gonna think I'm being redundant, but it's a good story where, like, so, you know, our Doctor. Scott has been working with me on blood work. Sure. You know, I'm like thinking, look, I look pretty good. I'm healthy.
38:57Speaker 1And, you know, you run some blood work and you realize, well, there's some inflammatory markers, so let's fix these things. Let's get a stool test. Some stool has come back. My
39:14Speaker 1we just don't know. Like, even if you kind of you're you look good shape and stuff, our stomachs are jacked. It's just the food. I mean, I'll spare you what you guys know. But that's probably why that came back on your head is because like that
39:33Speaker 1opinion just on so what do you feel like so many people have autoimmunions. Yeah. What's the culprit?
39:38Speaker 3No, it's definitely- A culprit, is it like- Would you like what I deal with the most? What I obviously think it is. I deal with rosacea. Okay. And rosacea,
39:45Speaker 3it comes from the gut. Sure. The 2nd I started to fix the gut, this starts to go away. The 2nd I stop, it comes right back. Because
39:52Speaker 3the gut is also what's known as like the 2nd brain. Absolutely. Right? So when we start to repair the gut, fix the gut, all these things, and I'm actually surprised about that doctor, man. I thought that where you were taking that story was that he was Indian, he knew more about like Ayurvedic medicine and he was gonna take you down that route. Didn't know he
40:10Speaker 3was all about doctor medicine, man. I was like, that made me sad. I go, oh, this is gonna be a good story. Because typically, like, when you go towards the, for lack of a better term, we'll call it the eastern medicine. Right? Like, they're gonna go for, well, hey. What's the root cause of this? Yeah. Yeah. And then let's let's do Are they more like like acid? More, dude. Yeah. He didn't dig into any that. I'm shocked. Yeah. Yeah. He was also But no western medicine. Medicineized. What what
40:31Speaker 1He was drinking the Kool Aid, man. Well, again, though, what a cool when I really started to look at things from a different angle was when somebody had mentioned a holistic type gal and I didn't even really know much about it at the time. We're talking 8 years ago. Sure. And
40:48Speaker 1what I was blown away by was this gal sat down with me, Chad's friend, Christie. Okay. I remember. Yes. Yeah. So I sat down with her. I didn't know what to expect. And
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41:26Speaker 1Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. Ask me questions for, like, 3 freaking hours. Deep, deep, deep questions where I had to think. I'm like, oh, I haven't even thought about that. And then when I left, she was texting me more questions. And the point is
41:44Speaker 1When I got sober, I started getting Botox on my armpits because I started sweating a lot. So she started
41:50Speaker 1to pinpoint that that could be the plug up of I was like, No doctors ever even like It's like, Here, take some pills, dude. Can't fix it here. You know what I mean? Like, that's why get frustrated with- She started looking at lymph nodes and thinking about this stuff- But that was the kind of trigger for me to
42:06Speaker 1not listen to what they're saying. I was already kind of down that way anyway. Right. Okay, I'm not gonna listen to anything that they're saying and let me like go this route and just dig into things. Like,
42:15Speaker 1I think that God knows what he's doing. Like we've said, I think that there's a fix. I think that it takes a lot of time sometimes. Like, we eat such shit food that's poisoned. Yep. That's destroyed our gut. I
42:28Speaker 1mean, approach now with Doctor. Scott, I'm curious to see it's gonna work. Like he has me on a protocol, just all kinds of pills
42:35Speaker 1in the morning and at night, it's a plethora and it's too much. I'm curious. He thinks he could, he's
42:41Speaker 1SIBO, he thinks he could cure it. Now, so excited to hear about this. I'm pulling in some of this stuff now. I took a month off of everything, which was great, little reboot. But we'll see. Interesting. I mean, I love this stuff. I'll be keeping up with you, so I'll find out, dude. Well, sure. Instead of here, take some antibiotics. Absolutely.
42:57Speaker 3Absolutely. Look, we're surrounded by toxins all day, right? Not to ring the alarm bell, but it's like, it's everywhere. It's in our clothes. It's what we're drinking. It's what we're eating. As an average American, like, I I saw some study, like, who knows if it's real or not, but it's like we're exposed to 80,000 different toxins on a daily basis. Right? Plastics.
43:14Speaker 3Plastics all day long, seeping into our skin, you know? So those are the things that we can do, but 1 of the of the best and most natural things that we can actually do to rid of the get rid of that is is hitting the sauna 3 times a week for 20 minutes. We just fell in. Yeah. We did. I love that, dude. On the back. Yeah. That's the best thing you can do, actually. I'm like I go, that's a simple, easy fix. Right. You You get that thing to 150, 160 degrees, sit there for 20 minutes, it's going to come out of you. Actually, that's 1 of the best detoxes,
43:42Speaker 3better than almost anything else that we can think about. Right? Well, health takes time
43:51Speaker 2Americans at least have gotten so used to feeling like shit that you just think you're supposed to feel like shit. And like for guys like us that have always kind of been healthy and it's been our lifestyle. If I feel like shit, like I don't wanna feel like shit. Like we'll figure out how to not feel like shit. Yeah, man. We got used to taking drugs that make us to just bandit that feeling because we wanna feel great all the time. Think it's more of like That was my problem. Yeah. I just wanna feel great all the time, so 1 thing's affecting me, I take this that makes everything feel good. Sure. And then I don't ever listen to my body and know what's actually going wrong. True that. Why don't you give us a Paul, give us your
44:25Speaker 2an explanation of how what what's happening if somebody has Crohn's disease? If somebody has an ulcer, like, give us the kind of clear
44:32Speaker 3description of what's going on inside there. I've actually dealt with that. What the hell is leaking out there? Like, how do you know if you have it? Yeah, I've dealt with a lot of this actually. I dealt with a couple of peptic ulcers and you know why I dealt with that, which is kind of crazy.
44:46Speaker 3To this date, these 2 fingers on both sides, I still have like from my elbow down are still a little bit numb at all times. Right? So
44:53Speaker 3a doctor goes, Hey man, take these pills and this will help you. Took the pills, ended up with 2 ulcers. Right?
45:00Speaker 3And I was like, Oh, well, that's not fun. Right? And they got to knock you out and they got to put the tube down to
45:07Speaker 3see what's going on. Okay. So essentially what that medication was doing was it was eating away at my stomach lining.
45:19Speaker 3So what do you do with that? How do you fix that? Well, that's why when it comes to Crohn's that we were just talking about and
45:27Speaker 3ulcerative colitis, we just okay. So what's happening is that that's getting destroyed
45:32Speaker 3in a very, very bad way. Right? So that's why we wanna bring things like BPC. So 1 of the things that I just mentioned about BPC a little bit earlier when we're speaking was it helps you to absorb the collagen that you're taking in, but some of the lesser known facts about what BPC is doing is it will go and this isn't the lesser known fact, but I'll tell you what it is. 1 of the things that it does is it will go into the inner lining of the stomach, and it's gonna put that nice collagen,
45:53Speaker 3that layer, and it's gonna start to heal those peptic ulcers. The other cool thing that it does, this is what I was gonna get is it'll pull that, it'll put that same beautiful layer of collagen around your heart. Sweet. So it's cardio protective too. So that's what it's actually doing when it comes to things like the ulcerative colitis, the Crohn's, the IBS issues that we can have, and then the leaky gut when it comes to that, how do you know that you have it? Right? Yeah, you can test for it now. You can test for it now. But back in the day, what, 10 years ago, let's just say, you just go, why do I feel like shit all the time? Yeah. What's going on? Like, why is it that no matter what I'm doing or
46:32Speaker 3Right? Like, are you having issues going to the bathroom? Right. Are are your bowel movements regular? These are things that you gotta look at because that's that's your engine. Like, do you wake up every single day and go to the bathroom? Great. Okay. Like like clockwork? Great. That's a good sign. Mhmm. Right? Some people think that's annoying, but I'm like, no, no, that's actually a really good sign. Are you constipated all the time? You're not these are the things that you gotta look at. Right. And then that's why there's those tests where you can do a stool sample, a urine sample, this, that, because you wanna find out what the hell is going on. Sure. Right. So basically, you're poi you're getting poisoned by your own bacteria
47:02Speaker 1All day day. Of your body. All day every day. So you're you're kinda just going fully septic. And and it depends on how like, what else are you like me, was taking a medication that I thought was gonna be good for me. Yeah. And I end up with with, like, ulcers. Well, that's it. I mean, that's it. You know, again, I'm not going to continue throwing daggers at doctors, but because that's what they kind of trained to do. It's just like,
47:21Speaker 1but we're past that now. So like if doctors now hopefully are starting to see that's not leading
47:28Speaker 1health- Optimizing problems because you take band aid and there's 17 different problems
47:37Speaker 2everybody is running towards peptides. You heal the gut and everything else is everything. Everything is like controlled by that. All right. Another question for you. So when reading about all of these,
47:56Speaker 2and it is a good idea to help with all of these. What the hell is up with that? Like, how how is this weight loss drag? You control Good for those.
48:03Speaker 3That that's the beautiful part about the GLPs. Right? So what are what are the GLPs really doing for us? Okay. So it is going to control, we already know, it's gonna control things like glucose.
48:14Speaker 3It's gonna help with the hemoglobin a 1 c, which is gonna be that lab marker that tells you over a period of time, are you in that diabetic range? Right? We typically wanna see that be at least less
48:26Speaker 3So because when you get higher than that, we go, hey, man, you're in that type 2 range. You're prediabetic or you're diabetic. Okay. So what is is any GLP-one doing? Well, it's gonna control your glucose. It's going to control your cholesterol. It's gonna help you to reduce that. It's gonna also reduce inflammation,
48:41Speaker 3which is another big 1 that a lot of people don't think about. They go, Well, wait a 2nd. What else is it doing? With Reta, there's also studies now where they go, Hey, this is actually gonna be anti cancer. Well, isn't really anti cancer or is it also creating the environment to where- Because it's killing off your glucose. Exactly. Like you said, fasting
49:05Speaker 3responded. Like, I didn't respond. I'm like, bro, if you don't just, like, look past your notes and Bro. You ever heard of Google? Like, please check Google it or chat to me and see it. Hey, Dude, I understand if you don't wanna hear it from us, but there's a medical doctor that has written a very big book on how fasting can actually help with cancer. Okay. I will just leave it at that. But the thing is is that when it comes back to RET and GLP-1s Yeah. And and how it can actually help with with a myriad of things. Right? A myriad of things. It's because it's gonna reduce inflammation,
49:38Speaker 3help with cholesterol levels. That's on the inside. On the outside, what else is it gonna do? It's gonna help to bring down the BMI, the, body mass index, the unwanted body fat. Sure. You're gonna be losing the bad weight. Huge. Right. Huge.
49:50Speaker 3Right. You're a guy that's like 350 pounds, like, and you can lose a 100 pounds. Like, dude, life changing. Right. And I don't think that that guy or or girl should be worried about hormone therapy at the same time. Right. Right? Like fix all that stuff. You're much safer fixing your hormones and reducing weight. Right? Then-
50:11Speaker 1Yes. So I was gonna ask you this. So how much of the success of this comes from lifestyle, sleep,
50:17Speaker 3nutrition, training compared to a compound? Man, the compounds only work as hard as you do. Right? And I'm not saying that if you take the compound and sit there like a lump on a log, it's not gonna work for you. It will. Retta, especially, right? These things, they will work, but they're going to work infinitely better if you are working out, you're getting your protein in. Yeah, man. If you're getting the right amount of sleep, you're controlling stress,
50:38Speaker 3this is all going to work. But Will, I want to make sure I answered your question Last about
50:52Speaker 3that was a question because I like, wait, I'm getting I wanna answer some neuroprotective. That was the 1 thing maybe, I guess, you didn't touch on yet. 100%. That was why I them. Okay. And why do I actually like to run Reta a little bit every maybe maybe once every 3 weeks, do a milligram, 2 mg. Okay. The reason why is because we know that what we call in the medical community, things like Alzheimer's,
51:11Speaker 3what am I missing? Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia especially. Right? This is all coming from what we've, like, coined now as type 3 diabetes, which is what? Too much glucose to the brain. Right. So what do you wanna do? Do you wanna take a GLP 1? So, look, I'm in my mid forties, so I go, well, why would I not take a little bit of it even if I'm a smaller guy and maybe I don't wanna lose weight? Right? I'll take a little bit of a GLP-one for that glucose control. Yeah. Okay. So it's gonna control my glucose.
51:36Speaker 3It's basically your carbs and sugars, right? It's gonna control that so that that way you don't have that sitting on your brain because that's how we know that we're starting to get these things. Right? And when you control that, it's going to be the neuroprotective part of what you're saying. So everything from controlling your sugar, controlling your inflammation,
51:56Speaker 2these are all really good things, man. Really, really good things. Know what Jake Hamilton told us? And I've actually thought this was interesting. So he was like, you know, he was talking against AIs, but he's like, look, you know, people, men who your nipples might be a little bit itchy. He's like, people think that's, oh, I'm aromatizing. He's like, That is glucose. That's basically if you've eaten a whole bunch of
52:15Speaker 2carbs, right? And you're eating a bunch of just junk, you might find your nipples being itchy.
52:20Speaker 2You wanna know what's funny? And actually, I've actually never thought about that since he's done that. And like the nights, I don't, I know at hers, you don't eat like great. Like they're being He's true. Like Yeah.
52:30Speaker 2He's a specimen. And I've noted, and I'm not doing like I'm barely doing any testosterone at all. Yeah. Right? And I don't really have much estrogen problem to anyway. Sure. But
52:38Speaker 2like them nights that I've eaten like a lot of cookies or some other shit, I've noticed that and it's not I know. It's nothing. Yeah. That's what he said. I swear to god. That's what he's telling us. Campbell's the king of Yeah, man. And he's telling me, he wrote a book this big on GLPs.
52:56Speaker 1Like, so I've always been, I converted estrogen. Well, it's worked with me. We've worked through it for years. And that's
53:02Speaker 1funny when he said that because when my insulin would spike, so you're getting the sugar, glucose,
53:07Speaker 1it would totally be like that. Was like, fuck, dude. Did it might it's that's glucose. I gotta do some more. So she didn't love that. That's amazing.
53:14Speaker 3Told us this. You know, he said that we were like The thing about about quote unquote high estrogen. Right? It's not that having estrogen is meant as a bad thing because we know that it's lubricate our joints. It's gonna help with our libido. We need it. Right? But the the bad thing is is that we don't wanna have the negative side effects of it, which is bloating, water retention, the the nipple sensitivity,
53:33Speaker 3the mood swings. And I always say this to him when I go, look, man. A mood swing doesn't just mean aggression. It could be you look at a baby or a kid and you feel like crying. And there's nothing wrong with that, but if that's out of character for you in our comments. That's a mood You need testosterone, bro. That's it, man. Yeah. That's a mood swing. Right? So that's the thing that you gotta look at as you go, oh, wait a 2nd. Maybe I need to control my estrogen. Right? Because there'd be some guys that that I'd see, right, at the telehealth level, I'd see their blood work, and I'm like, dude, are you okay? Like, you're at 80 on your on your distrota. Like, then they're, like, toll feel totally fine. Then there'd be a guy who's at, like, 48 and he's like, oh man, I'm starting to get gyno like him. So he needs an AI, an aromatase inhibitor. Right? So that's the type of stuff that we gotta look at, that's when I say it depends on a person's clinical response. Yeah, right. We always say it's just everybody's in sweet spot, man, and that takes time. You gotta learn. When you're,
54:34Speaker 1But it's not like that. And then a lot of doctors are prescribing with an AI. You don't generally speaking on an actual TRT dose. Yeah. I don't think you're gonna need an AI. Think something's really super aromatized with the peanut butter and jelly protocol, right, where they go, okay, here's your
54:49Speaker 3Morning to go. Exactly. They're they're always doing that. And I get it. And I would see that a lot. And and with the,
54:56Speaker 3with the telehealth companies that I worked at, what we would actually train on is we would say, hey.
55:03Speaker 3Let's see how they react. And then let them come back to us and go, hey, man. I'm starting to get these symptoms. Okay, cool. Right. Now let's address it. Or when we pull their blood work in another 3 months and we go, dude, like I gave you that example, this guy was at, like, 80 on his on his shirt. I go, wow, that's through the roof. And and he goes, I feel totally fine. Right. And I go, okay. Yeah. Stay close. It's like he says he runs it, like Yeah. Sky high. Yeah. Keeps his, like, 60 or something. Free testosterone
55:32Speaker 1And I'm like, woah. Yeah. I was like, wow. Okay. But he's 1 of those guys. I mean, the fact that his estimate Doesn't really like it. He just it just may not Well, it'll just blurt constantly and fast. Everybody's zipping, man. Yeah, man. Everybody's zipping. If you don't do it this way Yep. Cool. If it's not causing problems Absolutely. Whatever. Go, yeah. There's
55:47Speaker 3a sweet spot. Right? And that's what we were talking about last time too. And and and it's really looking and reading lab work. And and for the audience to understand is what I did at at the the
55:57Speaker 3telehealth companies is we would read blood work. Right, all day long. And so what we had to do is we sat down and over the years I've sat down with 5 different doctors,
56:08Speaker 3what lab markers are we pulling and why are we pulling them? But even more so, okay, is this?
56:18Speaker 3suboptimal, there's in range, and then there's authorized. These are 3 different categories.
56:22Speaker 3So what does that even mean? So that's why as a consultant now, I actually help a lot of the clinics to understand that. And they'll come and go, hey, man. Like, I have this patient who his luteinizing
56:34Speaker 3hormone, his follicle stimulating hormone are still firing, but he's low. Let's say he's, like, in the 300 range, and he's in the 400 range, whatever it is. And I go, okay, and he's never ran anything before, and you go, alright, well, let's give him a fighting chance. Yeah. Let's try it out with Enclomiphene citrate and HCG, see if his body responds, especially if you Oh, you would start with that? I would start with that. If they're firing. If they're firing. Yes. If LH and FSH is still there. Right? Especially if the guy's like, hey, man. Me and my wife won't have a kid 1 day. Right. Or we're trying. Right? Sure. Because that's not only gonna boost up his testosterone naturally. It's basically firing to the it's telling the pituitary gland, hey, man. Fire more of your test. Right? Your own natural test. And let's see because it wasn't unusual to see a guy in the 3 or 4 hundreds within 3 months go to 800 or 1000. Yeah. What does that do to the free test? So that's the thing is it'll boost that up too. But what you have to also optimize when it comes to the free testosterone because the free test is what you're actually using, right, is you gotta look at your DHEA.
57:24Speaker 3Sure. Right? So the DHEA for a male needs to be between that 3 50 to 4 50, and then for females, depending on her goals, you wanna keep that DHEA between 1 50 to 3 50. Right? And then that's gonna go into the bloodstream and free up that bound testosterone so they can actually freaking use it. Right? And then when you look at those 3 lab markers, total test, free test,
57:44Speaker 3then you gotta go into SHBG too, the sex hormone binding globin. Yeah. Because that's what's actually gonna grab it. Sure. And center around your body. Your total test here and then your free test way low. Yep. And I remember we talked a little bit about this place because I said, hey, what do you do besides Proviron? That's right. So that's the thing. It's like and actually Proviron when you're using it Oh, it's great. Yeah. That's actually gonna help to reduce the estrogen too on its own. Mhmm. Right? And it keeps you drier. It's a great DHT. Yeah. Definitely. Only reason why I shy away from it is because I I go, dude, I'm almost 45. I don't want my hair to get thin. I'm like, I'm cool. I'll just keep it going with with I'll do it this way. Yeah. But but Proviron is great. It's great. It's very, very mild. It's fantastic. Hands as anything. Yeah, dude. I can't this is fun. We're talking about gear. Hell yeah. I was like, oh, shit. We got into gear. This is awesome. Yeah, man. I love that. But but, yeah, that's that's, that's a little bit about that. And you know what? 1 of the things that I that I did wanna mention when it comes to
58:53Speaker 3Right? And it's a derivative of EPO, so that's 1 thing I did want to touch on just for the folks watching
59:00Speaker 3is that it's a derivative of EPO, and and you guys may know EPO of of if you guys are old enough to remember who Lance Armstrong was. Yeah. Right? Because so he was a 1 that yeah, dude. Was For for that for the blood doping. So that's the thing that we were looking at when it came to ARA 2 90. It's a derivative of EPO. It doesn't affect the same things that EPO does when it comes to blood doping and all that, but what it will do is it helps it literally regenerate those those cells, and it's incredible for those who are dealing with
59:33Speaker 3fantastic. So like I said, and I hope we got this on camera, I was actually explaining that 81 year old father who's my
59:47Speaker 3going do is it's going go in that smooth the mitochondria, that smooth muscle, and it's going to help to repair it. So that's why I really there's a really good place for SS-thirty 1, and it has that FDA approval for Barth syndrome, which is basically congestive heart failure. Right? So that's what you'll see it being used as. And then, of course, MOTS-3.0 know we've talked about that ad nauseam, but MOTS-1.0 Love that stuff. So firing up the metabolism, using it for that stuff. And,
1:00:10Speaker 3you know, I just want to at least say these things because, at the end of the day, for the crowd to understand, this is what
1:00:16Speaker 3the doctors that want to learn are learning. Yeah. And this is what we're talking about. And it takes the crowd that's out there to go, Hey, doc, what about this exactly what you did? Where you started to ask questions because you weren't feeling good and you start to do the research because that's pushing the doctors who want to be better to get better. Right. And the more that you push the clinicians, the professionals that are out there, even me, like, when we're talking about some of these things, go, you know what, man? Let me let me research that. That's a great question. Because none of us are supposed to know everything. I mean, that's how we gotta learn. You know, so that way I can take it back and go, hey, this is this is what we know. Because remember,
1:00:53Speaker 3running a team, then becoming a patient care director, doing all this stuff, I was tasked with, Hey, Paul, you know what? Take this information from the medical science side and then make it easily digestible for this team that's speaking forward facing patients. You
1:01:06Speaker 3know what mean? So you do. I'm like, okay. Let me figure that out. And then I'd go to all these conferences, seminars, read nih.gov,
1:01:17Speaker 3and then take it back to the team so they could see it with the with the oversight of the medical doctors. Right? And then finally, the MDs goes, hey, man. Can you can you also do this for the medical team too? Like, this is pretty good stuff. I go, sure. Let's do it. So that's that's where.
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1:01:56Speaker 1Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. Comes from us just wanting to be better. Yeah, of course. Good for you. That's it, dude. I know we gotta go. Quick, quick, quick. So when Campbell was on, he was talking about how, what did he say, 97 percent of the people out there are suggesting
1:02:32Speaker 1think we all agree that's probably wrong. What would you say the actual I mean, it's case by case, obviously. Course. Generally speaking is
1:02:41Speaker 1if, like, somebody that's like a typical needs to lose, let's say, let's say 50, like, how high do you think that person should 5 0? Yeah. Roughly. I mean, you know, hypothetically, like, because you see people's titrate go going so high Yeah. Where I think if you just let it do what it does, like, you know, like, give yourself some time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Do you do you recommend lazy. That's what they just want to sit back and do nothing. So just give me more. Yeah. Instead, I don't wanna count. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you this. I
1:03:08Speaker 3so so let's talk about it like this with with, Retta. Right? So with Retta, I don't think that I've personally seen anyone go over 8 megs.
1:03:18Speaker 3Okay? Me personally, I'm just talking about them. May I'm just not saying that there's not people to do or or it's just I haven't dealt with those patients or those people, right, to see that myself.
1:03:27Speaker 3Have I seen people be at 15 mg, which is high dose of tirzepatide? Have I seen that? Absolutely. And have I seen them stop responding?
1:03:36Speaker 3Hell yeah, I have. And that's really sad. Sure. You know, that's not a good place to be. No. Right? And the thing is, is that when I see that So what do we do when it comes to that? And maybe we've spoken about this before, but essentially,
1:03:48Speaker 3when you have someone that's at that top dose of 15 mg on tirzepatide or what is it, 2.4 for semaglutide, right? And they've stopped responding and they go, Man, my hunger is back. I've stopped responding. Well, there's a specific protocol that, you know, we develop with some of the doctors where we go, Okay, this person's at this high dose, let's start to bring in the Retatrutide. And then we need to seesaw that down, right? Titrate this down, titrate this stuff. The other thing is, is that what I've also seen with really good success with some of the clinics that I work with, and I thought it was actually brilliant when this specific clinician, when she told me this, she was, You know what I do, Paul? She goes, When I have a patient that's really dealing with food noise. And I go, What's that? And she goes, Well, okay, let's say that their dose of Reta is on Monday.
1:04:31Speaker 3By Thursday, I'll actually bring in a little bit of CAG, and that will simply help with the food noise. Sure. And then keep them going until their their next dose of of the Reta or their 1st GLP-one on Monday. Yep. So I thought that was brilliant because of way Cabrolinotide,
1:04:46Speaker 3folks, is what he just meant. Exactly. Because that's gonna go after the amylin, and it just helps to just quiet things. Yeah. Like, you know, just
1:04:52Speaker 2quiet that down. So I thought that was a brilliant way to do it, man. Yeah. It's it's also interesting, though, and, yes, we do get we gotta go. But
1:04:59Speaker 1it's funny, bro. It looks like you're off to Marmoya, dude. I got so many more questions. It's our body's
1:05:05Speaker 2It's our survival mechanism, right, to have hunger. Yes. Right? You are supposed to eat. It has to have, and that's paramount. Why that's probably the biggest
1:05:24Speaker 2natural desire is gonna fight back. And then if you just keep going up and up and up and up with tirzepatide,
1:05:33Speaker 2More hunger. So what we see is a lot of people are like, I did tirzepatide or I did Reta? Then I went to tirzepatide, back to Reta. Now the Reta doesn't work. So
1:05:42Speaker 2if you let that go up and now you switch to something Retta or you get off of that shit. But you switch to even Retta,
1:05:49Speaker 2it's not and the Retta is not gonna do much for the actual food noise because your natural engine for being hungry is revved to the max. HAMMERING those receptors. Yeah, man. It's like, dude, at some point in time, give it time to work. Just be patient.
1:06:05Speaker 3For sure, man. It's like that. It's not human nature. Now. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And it's that old adage of like, hey man, you didn't get like this overnight, so you can't change it overnight. You know what I mean? Like, let's fix your lifestyle, your food. You're working at me, bro. Amen. Because that's the 1st thing. How are you managing your stress? How are you managing your sleep? What your nutrition look Sleep?
1:06:26Speaker 2All sleep. The number 1 thing. Me me the most. Number 1. I got this new bed that's a sleep number bed, and it gives you a little report on how you slept every night. Wow. Knows how much it costs. I've already got. I I am pretty good ordering because of that. It stressed me the hell out, dude. I go I go, oh, I slept like shit. Oh, man. Today's gonna suck. You know? No. It won't stress me because I forget to look at it. But I did look at my rating after the 1st week, and I was like, 85. Was like, that's pretty good, man. I thought nice. About you, dude. Like, woke up. Sometimes I sleep. Well, Kevin, I was gonna get up, and I ended up going back to sleep because I've been struggling with sleep forever, it's been gotten a lot better than the last podcast. Good. If you don't sleep if you sleep less than 5 hours, your cortisol is up and you're gonna do sexy. But you're talking about when he says that, I'm like, oh, shit. I gotta do this. Yeah. I better go back to life. In this, like, fight or flight stage. Right? Yeah. Cortisol will knock you on your ass. Now here's the thing, though. People, I remember a while ago listening and watching some giant bodybuilder be like, don't sleep. Shit, I don't need sleep.
1:07:20Speaker 2leaving people with the wrong people. It's because you're taking so many steroids that your body recovers no matter what. For sure, yeah. And so everybody knows this, that if
1:07:31Speaker 2you can kind of get away with some sleep. Now it's going to beat you up in other ways, but you still won't be able to build muscle. But if you're a person who's not enhanced and you're
1:07:41Speaker 3will not. Exactly, dude. You can push yourself physiologically past where you're supposed to be genetically
1:07:49Speaker 2wheels start falling off, dude. Absolutely. Also, the sleep never deal, I I now found that I, dude, I sleep so much better with my feet elevated a bit and my back elevated. Oh, a 100%. Like in the 0 G setting, if anybody knows that, and it's like, that's amazing. My wife and I bumped that bed.
1:08:06Speaker 1we got the warranty, thank God. But like, well, actually, I really thank God. And it somehow froze.
1:08:14Speaker 1so it froze like that where we were watching TV. And so we're calling these people like, dude, like, oh, we can come out there in 40 days. Are you bro? 40 40 cords here. Bro? Yeah. Oh, bro. Like, I'm a dealer. I'm just gonna pay for it. Like, dude, whatever, bro. Like Oh my gosh. We do drop the cat into the bed. You do? Oh, yeah. Dude, cats because when you do this all the way, the the wires. The cat's like, oh, cool. It's fun. And then we drop the bed. Where's Oscar? Where's the guy now? Poor cat.
1:08:40Speaker 1Hello. I'm gonna have to look in that bed, man. Because we really love you, bro. We freaking love you, man. We're all gonna go, we're gonna buy you a steak, so we need to go get But some
1:08:52Speaker 1dinner too. So Absolutely, man. Other than that, we will catch you guys later. We want Long Beach. Bye guys. Thank you.