Peptide Q&A #7 – RETA vs Tesamorelin, Mixing Tips, Numb Fingers, Injection Needles Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-7-reta-vs-tesamorelin-mixing-tips-numb-fingers-injection-needles/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:09 Speaker 0: What's up my friends? 0:10 Speaker 0: Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week Podcast. 0:14 Speaker 0: This is the Q and A episode. I'm your host, JD Denham. I got my buddy and my co host across the way, William T. Hoss. Happy Friday, brother. Happy Friday. 0:24 Speaker 0: The eve of vacation for me. Yeah, I was gonna let everybody know if Will seems a little extra chipper today, it's because he is going with his girlfriend to the big island of Hana, Hawaii, which I have been multiple times. So he's been in a week with his girlfriend and his girlfriend's family, 0:44 Speaker 0: dog, you. 0:46 Speaker 0: Yes. And I don't know about extra chipper, but like maybe a little bit stressed out because I have a whole bunch of stuff to do before I go. I wasn't gonna shine a light on that, but yeah, when he, when he logged on today, he seemed stressed and I'm like, You're off, dude. He said, Yes, I'm off. So, 1:01 Speaker 0: but hey man, at the end of the day, everything's perspective. You're going to Hawaii. So good 1:06 Speaker 0: things, man. Good things. 1:07 Speaker 0: We have some good questions today. 1:10 Speaker 0: I don't know when I won't talk for Will, but I will talk for myself. I enjoy this Q and A. I like to see the questions people ask and the things people are researching and things like that. And I love talking about this stuff, man. I've always loved it. Will and I have been talking about supplements 1:26 Speaker 0: and such for very long time. So now we just do it on a podcast. How cool is that? That's cool, man. And I agree. 1:33 Speaker 1: Hope, 1:35 Speaker 1: yeah. 1:36 Speaker 1: This stuff's cool, man. I mean, this is our, this is our life. This is what interests 1:41 Speaker 1: us. And we're happy to give some personal experience, 1:45 Speaker 1: a lot of personal experience 1:46 Speaker 1: back to those who are not as experienced. 1:51 Speaker 1: Again- Which are the good point. 1:53 Speaker 0: Right. To the fact that we're like, and I haven't 1:55 Speaker 0: had a lot of personal experience with testosterone 1:58 Speaker 0: replacement and things like that, 2:00 Speaker 0: which only comes with experience because we were talking off camera in regards to, 2:04 Speaker 0: you have to do a little bit of your own research on yourself because it's not 1 shoe fits all. You have to find what is your sweet spot on testosterone replacement 2:14 Speaker 0: with different peptides. 2:16 Speaker 0: And it takes time, man. You can't just say, well, this works for me, so it's going to work for you. You have to see if it works for you and go from there. So kind of a cool little 2:25 Speaker 0: enter into the questions because we have some of those that are going to be based on that, 2:30 Speaker 0: but he's got to get some work done so he can get out of here and get ready for his trip. You wanna start us off, big dog? Sure. I gotcha. 2:38 Speaker 1: Alright. Number 1. Hey, guys. 2:41 Speaker 1: New to your channel, so I may have missed this in an episode from before. 2:44 Speaker 1: To start, I've been taking TRT and HCG 2:47 Speaker 1: for the past few months, going 2:49 Speaker 1: from 2 72 2:50 Speaker 1: to 2:51 Speaker 1: 1,004 2:52 Speaker 1: with my testosterone. 2:54 Speaker 1: So he's talking about his his overall 2:59 Speaker 1: testosterone and 1,004 3:01 Speaker 1: nanograms per deciliter in a blood test. I'm 3:06 Speaker 1: looking to cut a decent amount of weight around 40 pounds. My question is, should I start with Retatrut or Tesamorelin? 3:12 Speaker 1: I just recently got back in the gym now that my energy is back. 3:17 Speaker 0: Boom. Well, whoever wrote that, congrats, my friend. 3:21 Speaker 0: It's awesome that you're getting back to the gym. We obviously are huge supporters of any type of exercise. 3:26 Speaker 0: So good for you on that. My answer to that is a very easy Retrutide 3:32 Speaker 0: or GOP-three. 3:33 Speaker 0: Without a doubt, we've said it multiple times. I'll say it again. It is a damn scientific 3:38 Speaker 0: breakthrough in regards to what it does, not just in regards to helping you lose that 40 pounds, but your brain's gonna feel sharper. 3:46 Speaker 0: You know, you're gonna eat less. You're still gonna have, you know, get hungry. You're just gonna eat less. So it's gonna really help you. So my answer will be absolutely on the Retatrutide 3:57 Speaker 0: or the GLP-three. 3:59 Speaker 0: Now you can even do both. I love Tesamorelin. I love it. It's my favorite GH peptide. 4:05 Speaker 0: It really focuses in right on that bottom belly fat. So you could be taking Retta 3 times a week. You can throw in some Tesamorelin at night. There you go. They go perfectly together. 4:16 Speaker 1: Yep. I'm gonna say I agree. And a 2nd that. 4:20 Speaker 1: I think Retta is gonna be, I mean, Retta 4:23 Speaker 1: Hands now. It's amazing. And, 4:27 Speaker 1: but you could take both if you are, but Reta's gonna be much more effective for your purposes. It's a good idea to be taking your test along with it because you're gonna be eating less. Reta helps a bit, so does the Tesamorelin of not going like catabolic. Right? So 4:40 Speaker 1: we don't want you to lose your muscle as part of those 40 pounds. 4:45 Speaker 1: So, 4:45 Speaker 1: keep eating, keep running your TRT. 4:48 Speaker 1: Hit that gym, baby. Love it. The Tesamorelin will only help with that 4:52 Speaker 1: as well. 4:54 Speaker 0: All right. I am looking into the shred stack. Was wondering how long is that supply last? Well, 5:01 Speaker 0: that's kind of depending on what company that you're looking at. Why don't you, if you have follow me on Instagram, JD-ten-them fit, shoot me a DM there and I can give you some wisdom on some of the companies that I use. 5:12 Speaker 1: Cool. 5:13 Speaker 1: All right. Hi, I have been enjoying the podcast and have learned a lot from both of you. Recently, you've mentioned that some peptides benefit from different mills of backwater 5:23 Speaker 1: constituting. 5:24 Speaker 1: Do you have all of this information in 1 place, or would you be willing to do a rundown? For example, 5 or 10 mg vials of AOD-nine 5:33 Speaker 1: thousand 604, 5:34 Speaker 1: Tesamorelin, 5:35 Speaker 1: Retta, 5:36 Speaker 1: sometimes 2 ml seems preferential, and sometimes 3. Would appreciate best practice tips. Also, do you have thoughts on bioglutide, 5:44 Speaker 1: or have you played around with it yet? Thank you so much. Good question. Go ahead, brother. Very good question. 5:50 Speaker 1: Okay. So 5:52 Speaker 1: it's 5:53 Speaker 1: so really, 5:54 Speaker 1: I guess here's what matters on the water. Okay? Is 5:59 Speaker 1: every peptide is a little bit different. Like AOD is hydrophobic. 6:03 Speaker 1: It does not really like to mix in with water very well. Right? But the goal is to, you have to add enough water for the powder to mix, to mix completely into the water. 6:14 Speaker 1: Or else we'd be putting, you know, 0.25 of a mil of water because who wants to inject a whole bunch, but it would also make the measurements tough. So it 6:22 Speaker 1: does not matter 6:24 Speaker 1: how much water you put in as far as the efficacy of any peptide. What does matter though, is if you put a different amount of water in, you better be able to do the math correctly, right? How much it's diluted 6:36 Speaker 1: so you still give yourself the correct amount. Right. 6:40 Speaker 1: And that is hard for some people, but it is just math. There 6:45 Speaker 1: is yes, I would suggest 6:48 Speaker 1: different, 6:50 Speaker 1: everything is a bit different because different and you gotta know like, hey, if it's a peptide that like VIP 6:55 Speaker 1: that you need to take a tiny amount, right, like a 200. Bless you. Yeah. And you need to you better put in all 3 mils of water or else there's no way you're gonna measure 7:05 Speaker 1: that tiny little amount in milligrams, right, or micrograms even. There 7:11 Speaker 1: is lots of resources online. 7:13 Speaker 1: 1 that I like is peptideresearchinstitute.org. 7:20 Speaker 0: Yep. 7:21 Speaker 1: Go there. 7:22 Speaker 1: There's everything you need. There's a lot of, just on specifics. 7:26 Speaker 1: There's information there, but there's information all over the website or the Internet on 7:32 Speaker 0: mixing different things. Now- Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. You can- I was gonna say, and just so people know, like VIP and things like that's a little bit more, you you need to kind of don't overdo it. But when it comes to the peptides, let's just say that someone suggested protocol 7:48 Speaker 0: or a company's suggested protocol says 2 mils. 7:52 Speaker 0: It ain't going be the end of the world if you put 3 mils in it. Just, you know what I mean? People are so stressed about the exact mils. It's going to be fine. It's diluted a bit. And as Will said, you want to do the math, but 8:02 Speaker 0: again, it don't be so concerned 8:04 Speaker 0: about that exact mil. There's 8:08 Speaker 0: no exact protocol 8:10 Speaker 1: out there for every single peptide. You know what I mean? Yeah. And for like, to answer the question, here's an example, like so Retta, 8:17 Speaker 1: Imagine you have a 10 mg, a 20 mg, a 30 mg bottle. Right? 8:23 Speaker 1: I would advise people, you know, put 1 8:25 Speaker 1: ml, 8:26 Speaker 1: okay, in the 10, if you put 2 ml in the 20 milligramer and you put 3 ml in the 30 milligramer. 8:33 Speaker 1: That way, if you do that, then on all the 3 of them, 8:38 Speaker 1: within the jaw, 8:40 Speaker 1: will equal the exact same amount in milligrams. You draw 10 units and it will be 1 mg in all 3 of those bottles if you added that correct amount of water. Yep. Because that's what the math tells us. 8:52 Speaker 1: AOD specifically, 8:55 Speaker 1: that does so just everybody like it does not like to mix with water. 9:00 Speaker 1: So I would put at least 2 mils in there. If it is like coagulating or gelling, you can add another mil and just do the math, realize that it's diluted more. 1 9:10 Speaker 1: thing to add that we, you know, look, we're learning this stuff also, but 9:16 Speaker 1: here is 1 caution. 1, if you so, so these peptides, the actual peptide powder is like wisps. You would almost barely see it. If somebody gave you a bottle and just had just the peptide in it, you would say, gave me an empty bottle, dude. It looks like you poured things out, turned back over, and it just has the residue. So to make these, they actually add like a salt puck 9:37 Speaker 1: inside there. That's what you're really seeing. Okay. That 9:41 Speaker 1: helps, that helps the, to 9:43 Speaker 1: get the peptide, 9:44 Speaker 1: have more volume and actually get dispersed in the water better. Now, that 9:49 Speaker 1: salt puck, there can be problems if 9:52 Speaker 1: you add water that's too cold. Okay? If you add water that's too cold, and if you add water too fast, 9:59 Speaker 1: that can make any peptides directly gel up. The goal here is actually like, you don't want to add hot water, but you know, a little bit cold room temp is probably perfect. 10:12 Speaker 1: Put 10:13 Speaker 1: the water in slowly and gently. Don't 10:17 Speaker 1: shake this thing, right? They're like live cultures, right? This is almost think of it as like a live organism, right? And it's, they're sensitive. So, know, roll them, 10:27 Speaker 1: spin it, make sure it gets, it actually gets completely mixed. The colder the water longer it's gonna take to mix. If you run into, if you put water in there and it starts to, and it is gelling up, 10:38 Speaker 1: add more water. 10:39 Speaker 1: Right? Swirl it up a little bit more. Don't let your peptide just sit also in your, in, you know, for a long, long time, like use it, especially AOD. I don't care how much water you mix in there. If you don't use that in 2 weeks, it's probably going to start gelling up. 10:54 Speaker 0: Use it. Probably more over any other peptide. AOD- More than anything. It's not mixed well. Yeah. But just to kind of, just 1 more reiteration of what he just said, the important part, if you're putting in your peptides and you are squeezing that water in quickly, you're doing it wrong. Do not do that slowly. They're delicate. 11:10 Speaker 0: You can tap it. You kind of move it, but you want to go put the water in on the bottle, on the side of the bottle, let it go down very slowly. 11:17 Speaker 1: And if your peptides are good, they should be vacuum sealed. So, so what I mean by that, it should pull the water out of the, out of the fringe and oftentimes any of that pulls it too fast. So you almost need to like hold the plunger and force it to be a bit slower, 11:31 Speaker 1: and not too cold of water. 11:34 Speaker 1: Other than that, there's guides, 11:37 Speaker 1: and, 11:37 Speaker 1: there's peptide calculators all over the place that, 11:41 Speaker 1: you know, you can put in as many mils of water as you want and still get the same dose. Just put that into the peptide calculator and the math is done for you. 11:49 Speaker 0: Perfect. And that website he suggested has a lot of information on it for you. All 11:54 Speaker 0: right. I have been using Tesamorelin 11:56 Speaker 0: for 4 weeks, 11:57 Speaker 0: and 1 of the side effects I've noticed is numbness in my fingers. Is there a solution for 12:04 Speaker 0: your information on seeing great results on it so far? That means it's working. That means that's a good thing. Numb fingers just means it's 12:12 Speaker 0: legit stuff. So, 12:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. It's a long, long time known fact, right? People like doing growth Yes. 12:20 Speaker 1: If you're getting like kind of a carpal tunnel feeling in your knuckles and 12:26 Speaker 1: maybe like arthritis feeling, like, knuckles should be a bit swollen. Your fingers should be tingly. 12:30 Speaker 1: That is a good thing. And no, there is no real solution to it. Sorry, but you know that working. 12:38 Speaker 1: It may be no pass. It kind of just stays there and it should be staying there. So, 12:43 Speaker 1: it may be a shock, but you learn to get used to it and that's- Now your body starts to kind of adapt. 12:48 Speaker 1: A good sign. You'll be all right. 12:50 Speaker 1: What is the optimal needle size for an intramuscular? 12:54 Speaker 0: So 12:56 Speaker 0: we've done this for a long time. I've been injecting testosterone replacement, good 10 years, give or take somewhere around there. And for the longest time I have injected for those who are on YouTube or whatnot can see on the top part of my butt right there's my sweet spot on both sides. 13:12 Speaker 0: Now you also have 13:14 Speaker 0: recently I have used 13:17 Speaker 0: a shoulder pin, which is what 27 gauge 0.5 inch. 13:21 Speaker 0: And so you'd know how much different and how much smaller that is for 13:26 Speaker 0: those that can see that little guy, if you can even see it, barely, just tiny. It's 0.5 inch and that guy does not hurt. But if you're gonna inject right in the shoulder, boom. 13:35 Speaker 0: So what I would suggest for y'all 13:38 Speaker 0: is you got a drawing needle, 13:41 Speaker 0: right? So you're going to take your drawing needle and you're going to use that for your testosterone, 13:47 Speaker 0: right? And you're going to use that 1st 13:51 Speaker 0: onto the syringe. 13:53 Speaker 0: Look at how thick that guy is compared to the last guy. 13:57 Speaker 0: Why you can reuse that, right? And that's going to draw out your testosterone. 14:01 Speaker 0: You want to clean the top of the testosterone with a pad, 14:04 Speaker 0: Be clean. You're injecting this into your body. It takes 2 seconds 14:09 Speaker 0: and then you're gonna pull out. You're gonna put some air in. You're gonna push the air in, 14:13 Speaker 0: pull out however much you want. 14:16 Speaker 0: Change the needle from the big guy 14:19 Speaker 0: to the small guy 14:21 Speaker 0: and then boom, right in the back of your shoulder, ping, you have used that needle 1 time for your shoulder and you have no issues. You've been cleaning 14:29 Speaker 0: and you've done it properly. So that's just a suggestion. 14:32 Speaker 0: I like the shoulder pins. I had not used them for years. I've just always done the longer, bigger needles in my butt, but I've been injecting personally in the last year or so into my shoulder. It's been great. What about you, man? Well, so I started using, 14:46 Speaker 1: the typical intramuscular 14:49 Speaker 1: needle for your glutes, I started this hell doing, doing 1 inch and 23 gauge. And so 14:57 Speaker 1: the higher the gauge, the smaller 15:00 Speaker 1: the needle. Right? Not lengthwise, but the actual circumference. Yeah. Skinny. Yeah. Yeah. 15:06 Speaker 1: 23 gauge, 1 inch, full inch right into your glute and 23 gauge. That's a little bit big. I now 15:13 Speaker 1: am gonna use I now use 25 gauge, 1 inch if I'm going to your glute. Most people have a little bit of fat on their butt. Okay? So that's why you need to get it deep. 1 inch for your glute is a good idea for 95 15:27 Speaker 1: percent of the population 15:29 Speaker 1: because the biggest mistake people make is not going deep enough, frankly, and then you get a little bump on the outside. 15:35 Speaker 1: So if I go to your glute, you know, I would do it if you're unless you're like ultra lean, I'd use a 25 gauge 1 inch. But shoulders, 15:45 Speaker 1: absolutely, dude. And then I 15:47 Speaker 1: yeah. Those are 0.5 inch. Those are 27 gauge. 15:50 Speaker 1: I do that. I just kinda rotate everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's got a 1 mil 15:56 Speaker 1: backing. Right? It's got a capacity of 1 mil. 16:00 Speaker 1: And then the subcutaneous is insulin insulin needle. Right? Those come in between like 29 16:06 Speaker 1: gauge and 32 or something like that. I generally use a 31 gauge, so it's really tiny. 16:12 Speaker 1: 31, 30. Yeah. Yeah. Least what I'd say. And that can be done. The problem is with that guy, 16:19 Speaker 1: won't the tip is not removable and there's no way that you are pulling any oil from. There's no way you can. I'm sorry. It will take a long time. You can take your hours. Now there is a trick because I happen to have a past life use 16:33 Speaker 1: needles, unfortunately, and I'm sober for a reason. 16:36 Speaker 1: And don't do drugs 16:38 Speaker 1: is not what this is about. But if you wanna use this, like a lot of people do TRT in their like subQ and 16:44 Speaker 1: daily, and you want to, if you wanna use an insulin needle, just pull up the plunger out the back and 16:50 Speaker 1: backfill it and 16:52 Speaker 0: then gently- Trick of the tray. 16:55 Speaker 1: Back in. And now you got it in the insulin unit, and then it will go out after some time pushing, but the suction drawing insulin needle not happening. 17:04 Speaker 0: We've talked about that too. So if you're gonna be doing testosterone oil in your stomach, 17:09 Speaker 0: Sub Q, I would definitely do it daily and just so you're doing small amounts. Because if you're going to try to put mil 17:15 Speaker 0: in that stomach, man, I would not suggest it. Don't do that. No. But 17:20 Speaker 1: I like that. And I actually really liked the 1 mil back. It's a lot easier to push debt. It's a lot easier to push in. The 3 mills is just a bigger stopper and 17:30 Speaker 1: having to just, I don't know. It's scraped the stopper scrapes on the sides oftentimes and makes it a lot harder to go in than that 1 mil. 17:37 Speaker 2: Right. 17:38 Speaker 2: Good stuff. 17:40 Speaker 0: Good stuff. All right. Where are we? 17:43 Speaker 1: All right. Where on your hand can you inject BPC TB, 17:48 Speaker 1: using it to see if I can cure my carpal tunnel syndrome? Okay. 17:52 Speaker 0: Right. Mean, generally we're thinking how I would do it is you're going to probably want to use a friend or your wife or your husband or somebody. And because you're going to want to pull up, my wife has some 18:04 Speaker 0: problems with wrist 18:07 Speaker 0: and she's tiny, you know, and she's got no fat on her. So I have to pinch and pull up her skin. So I put it into that wrist. So if you're doing your hand, I would do it in all around the hand. I would spread it, but you want to have somebody pull up your skin and you can't really do that and inject yourself. So if you want to do it properly, 18:23 Speaker 0: you probably need somebody else to do it, but spread it all out through the hand in different injections, but pull up that skin is how I would do it. Too? Yep. Yep. And that is still a subcutaneous 18:34 Speaker 1: injection. Right? You are putting it into the subcutaneous 18:37 Speaker 1: layer. 18:38 Speaker 1: And you 18:41 Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. You're gonna have somebody do it, but you kind of pull up that skin and then put it right in the 18:46 Speaker 1: in the little triangle that you have created, right underneath the skin, 18:50 Speaker 1: but above any muscle in that little water layer. So it's pulling it up and trying to get that needle there. If it's by itself, you can you can, if you want. Kinda. So think needle in by yourself and just get it underneath the skin. 19:03 Speaker 1: Push it in. 19:05 Speaker 0: Those of you that are new, 19:07 Speaker 0: to get back to the syringe, look how small that is. I 19:10 Speaker 0: know that everybody at 1st is scared of needles for peptides and whatnot, but let me just tell you, you don't even hardly even feel it. So any type of fears, once you do it once, you're like, oh wow, that's nothing. No. 19:23 Speaker 1: So no fear. Yeah. But I would absolutely try it for your carpal tunnel. Like I have actually heard from tons of people that it is fixed, including my mother. 19:31 Speaker 1: It's going to help a lot. 19:34 Speaker 0: All right. I am trying to round up Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin 19:37 Speaker 0: and following the protocol recommended 5 19:40 Speaker 0: days on 20 units each, days off. But I noticed that the days after administration 19:46 Speaker 0: that my hands get tingly and sometimes just have that feeling of falling asleep. Is this normal? Yes, we just answered that. Is normal. Should I change the dose? I also noticed this when I tried the MK. 20:00 Speaker 0: Go for it, baby. Yep. 20:01 Speaker 1: Yep, that's normal. MK 20:04 Speaker 1: is doing the same thing, right? It's working on your krillin receptor to tell your body to make, which in turn tells your body to make more human growth hormone. 20:11 Speaker 1: And that rise in HGH is going to, if it is good and if it's working, it's going to make your hands, 20:18 Speaker 1: fingers tingly. 20:20 Speaker 1: And that's all good. You know it's good and it is working. 20:23 Speaker 0: Very common. 20:24 Speaker 0: Yeah. 20:26 Speaker 1: I wouldn't, you know, I do know though that there are some people that have that nerve 20:32 Speaker 1: there gets really 20:34 Speaker 1: aggravated. 20:35 Speaker 1: And people would get like burning down their down the forearms a little bit to the point where they don't wanna do it. I actually have a friend who's a big, big, tough guy, and he says he's going to his doctor and doctor's like, yep, seen that. People actually have surgery for 20:50 Speaker 0: that. So- Oh, wow. 20:52 Speaker 1: But that's a rare, rare case. It's not like life threatening and dangerous. It's just a nerve thing. So your body just feels it. 21:00 Speaker 1: So would different, 21:02 Speaker 1: man. Yeah, dude. I wouldn't do anything if that's, you're perfectly fine. 21:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. You got the next page? Sure. Well, I'll get you. All right. 21:14 Speaker 1: Who 21:15 Speaker 1: does that person go to, to make sure they're taking the right peptide or what they are trying to achieve? 21:21 Speaker 1: Our peptides illegal. 21:24 Speaker 1: How many does 21:27 Speaker 1: come out of 1 bottle? I think it means dosages. Many doses come out of 1 bottle? How long does the peptide stay in your system? Very interested in taking peptides for my shoulder and elbow pain because I like to work out. I had been seeing a lot of ads about peptides, but the people are selling them, say that they are not for animals or humans just for research purposes only. That's why I have a question. Are they illegal? 21:51 Speaker 0: Interesting 21:52 Speaker 0: question. 21:53 Speaker 0: Hasn't been answered yet. Very 21:55 Speaker 1: good, very good question, 21:57 Speaker 1: obviously. I 21:59 Speaker 1: guess peptides are a 22:01 Speaker 1: gray area. So it is, they are most of them. There are some that are 22:05 Speaker 1: FDA approved that have gone through this big, 22:08 Speaker 1: long FDA approval 22:09 Speaker 1: process. 22:10 Speaker 1: Those that are not FDA approved, 22:14 Speaker 1: okay, 22:15 Speaker 1: they may not be sold 22:17 Speaker 1: for human consumption. Okay. Person is not allowed to sell them saying, 22:22 Speaker 1: and at the same time, people, you should use this in your body and here's how. Okay. 22:30 Speaker 1: They're not illegal. Then whenever 22:33 Speaker 1: whoever buys that, and that's why they're for research, like for research purposes only, or, and not for human consumption. Okay? Yeah. You're not allowed to sell them and 22:42 Speaker 1: tell somebody to use them. Okay? Not allowed to sell them for somebody else. Then for research purposes. That's the only way 22:49 Speaker 1: Then when the consumer gets them, they are not illegal by any means. I walk down the street, if I get pulled over by a police officer and I have peptides on me, 23:00 Speaker 1: cannot take me to jail. 23:03 Speaker 1: And they're not illegal to have or to use. 23:07 Speaker 1: So the consumer is a grown adult, hopefully, and can do what want with them, like me. 23:15 Speaker 1: Right. I've chosen to do research myself. 23:18 Speaker 1: Choose to use them. I've seen enough evidence out there, you know, we've talked to enough people and experimented 23:24 Speaker 1: where- 23:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm not in any legal trouble. 23:30 Speaker 1: And how 23:31 Speaker 1: long does the peptide stay in your system or, 23:34 Speaker 1: how much comes out of 1 bottle? Man, it's all dependent on each peptide. No 23:38 Speaker 1: way to answer that 1. You may to do some of your own research, and 23:43 Speaker 1: there's a ton of information out there and chat GBT works very well. 23:49 Speaker 0: I think we got that 1. What's up guys? I'm currently 3 months into my TRT and peptides. 23:56 Speaker 0: I am 36 23:57 Speaker 0: and was at 4 20 testosterone level. 24:00 Speaker 0: And now I'm at 9 80. We bumped up my 3 times weekly TRT shots from 20 to 25, 24:07 Speaker 0: which is likely averaging 24:08 Speaker 0: to 1,200 to 1,300. 24:11 Speaker 0: I did a 90 day cycle with Sermorelin and L Carnitine and stopped and now doing Tesamorelin with my TRT. My question is 1 24:20 Speaker 0: to 2 Migs each night of 24:24 Speaker 0: tests. 24:25 Speaker 0: There any other benefits 24:28 Speaker 0: to advance the dose or splitting 24:31 Speaker 0: the dose up where I take it 1st thing in the morning, 24:35 Speaker 0: also pre workout, post workout versus dosing only at bedtime. No, I wake up daily at 6AM and my workout scheduled during the week is evenings around 5. That's a great question, man. 24:48 Speaker 0: Have read some people that like to do, not Tesamorelin 24:52 Speaker 0: in per se, but like Ipamorelin, 24:54 Speaker 0: where you can do it 3 times a day, waking up pre 24:59 Speaker 0: workout and at night. 25:01 Speaker 0: So that's something that you can try. I personally 25:04 Speaker 0: just choose to take the Tesamorelin at night. I like to take 20 units and that's my sweet spot. But I also take human growth hormone 2 units and I have for a long time in the morning. So my 25:16 Speaker 0: answer to that question, and Will might have a different answer, is I like HGH in the morning, right when I wake up and a secret a GOG at night. I do move the secret a GOG around a lot. 25:28 Speaker 0: Tesamorelin 25:28 Speaker 0: is my favorite, but I 25:30 Speaker 0: HGH in the morning, secret a GOG at night. That's what I do personally. 25:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. 25:36 Speaker 1: Is there so our growth hormone is naturally produced 25:40 Speaker 1: in pulses. Okay, like 3 I mean, it's about 6 pulses a day. 25:46 Speaker 1: Right at night when we're asleep is our biggest pulse. That's why we grow back most of, that's where we do a lot of our healing. The point of Tesamorelin, 25:54 Speaker 1: what I think is best to be used at night because we really want to amplify that 1 big pulse. Okay. During 26:00 Speaker 1: the day, our body is not really willing to, it's making these like a few little pulses, but 26:07 Speaker 1: I don't think Tesamorelin 26:08 Speaker 1: is going to benefit those pulses enough to really make much of a difference. So I would stay with Tesamorelin just at night. 26:16 Speaker 1: I would maybe, hey, if the goal is to make is to add some more muscle, right? That's what they said. I would like you some IGF-1LR-three 26:24 Speaker 1: post workout. It would be better. Yeah. I would do that 1 as 26:29 Speaker 1: opposed to more Tesamorelin. 26:32 Speaker 1: Ipamorelin is probably also, yeah, better idea. Ipamorelin also activates your ghrelin receptor, which makes you stimulate your your hunger a little bit. So you'll eat a little bit more and therefore 26:42 Speaker 1: build back some more muscle. 26:44 Speaker 1: Yep. Like PEG-MGF 26:46 Speaker 1: too, 26:49 Speaker 1: post workout injected in the spot 26:52 Speaker 1: can help with that muscle growth right there. 26:56 Speaker 0: So, yeah, that's a lot. The main justice of that question though, what this guy's doing that I think is great is you're getting your hormones in line and you're getting those things structured and we're trying to keep you, all of us, man, are trying to keep our testosterone levels of around a 27 to a 31 year old. Remember how you felt at that time? So it's easier to gain some muscle and things like that at that time. So you're doing it right, man. I like the question. 27:20 Speaker 0: You know, you're researching 27:22 Speaker 0: on yourself and I think it's great. You're heading heading in the right direction. You know, I would say though that you're averaging at 1,200 to 1,300 27:29 Speaker 1: nanograms per deciliter. Kinda high, but you know what? I mean, hell, dude. I know people whose doctors said, Hey, that's the goal that we're gonna keep you. You know, I kind of in my, I'm trying to aim myself for maybe about 900. 27:42 Speaker 1: And 27:44 Speaker 1: the 27:45 Speaker 1: general range, 27:46 Speaker 1: the general range, hey, when we're 18 years old is about 1,200. 27:51 Speaker 1: I mean, not range, but that's kind of where we should be about 1,200, right? When we're, we're- Why I said 31 year old. Right. 27:58 Speaker 1: So a little bit less than that maybe, but, but it's, everybody is different, man. If you can, I guess the point is 28:05 Speaker 1: number 1 thing that we worry about is fertility, right? Long term testosterone use, especially at an 28:12 Speaker 1: elevated amount is at 1 3 -six year old, you're most likely gonna wanna have kids. So think on that. You've already had kids and you don't care, then great. That opens you up to more things, right? Number 2, maybe also number 1, but estrogen, 28:25 Speaker 1: right? You need it. You just don't want to be doing so much testosterone where you cannot manage your own estrogen. 28:30 Speaker 1: Now, you know, aromatase inhibitors, I think everybody should be taking them because everybody at over, 28:37 Speaker 1: I don't know, around 400 mg of tests, 28:40 Speaker 1: 9.9 percent of people are going to start to need an estrogen blocker. 28:45 Speaker 1: But everybody is different, right? Some people get it at a 100 mix, right? Some people can do a lot more and not have estrogen. But as long as you're managing your estrogen, you're getting your blood test, you're not worried about fertility 28:58 Speaker 1: or you have a plan. 29:01 Speaker 1: Can do what you As long as you feel good. 29:04 Speaker 0: Off energy level, like go off. My thing is 900 is generally my sweet spot, but it has taken me years to find my sweet spot. And it just takes time to kind of do this stuff. We've said it multiple times, but it's not 1 size fits all just because this guy said at the gym told you to do this. You have to figure it out yourself. And that's why I like that question. I think that you are, I think you're searching. 29:25 Speaker 1: I would 29:26 Speaker 1: also make sure that you are not seeing just your total test, which are free testosterone because that's what actually 29:31 Speaker 0: is. So it's funny because it's not what's talked about much. 29:35 Speaker 1: Okay. Hi. I've been injecting peptides for about 6 months now. I have tried all the popular and fan favorites. I love them all. My husband is 53, college athlete, continues to play in men's basketball leagues. 29:47 Speaker 1: He has many aches and pains as well as a torn meniscus. 29:52 Speaker 1: Would love for him to try all of the healing and anti inflammatory pups as well as TRT, 29:57 Speaker 1: but he was diagnosed with prostate cancer a year ago, had an HIFU 30:02 Speaker 1: procedure. 30:03 Speaker 1: And blood work is all normal. 30:06 Speaker 1: If this were either of you, would you take peptides or stay away just to be on the safe side? Thanks for all the input and information that y'all provide. Great question. 30:17 Speaker 0: Great question. 30:18 Speaker 0: And it's just gonna be a matter of opinion and I'm just gonna air, I'm 48 years old at this point. I'm just gonna air on the safe side. I just would stay away from it. You you have the prostate cancer, which is hormone based in 30:30 Speaker 0: certain areas. So I would personally stay away from it. Stay away from what? Testosterone 30:36 Speaker 0: replacement. Testosterone. All right. Yeah, testosterone replacement. And now in regards to peptides, 30:40 Speaker 0: I would stay away from the human growth hormone or the secretagogues 30:44 Speaker 0: as well. 30:45 Speaker 0: But you can do 30:48 Speaker 0: healing peptides, TB-five 100, BPC-one 30:51 Speaker 0: 157, those safer peptides that aren't going to affect anything 30:54 Speaker 0: in regards to hormone levels or things like that. Absolutely do it. But I personally would stay away from testosterone replacement and any growth hormone peptides. Yeah. 31:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, 31:04 Speaker 1: I'm going to, I know somebody who's gone to the doctor and he has had cancer before and his doctor told him, No, you can't do any peptides. Now, if it's me, 31:14 Speaker 1: I, but that's, that is a differing opinion than I have heard from most, 31:19 Speaker 1: from most medical professionals. But the question is what I would do. I would, 31:23 Speaker 1: I would probably not do the testosterone. 31:25 Speaker 1: Okay. Testosterone. 31:28 Speaker 1: Can increase your blood pressure, increases 31:31 Speaker 1: inflammation, and that can make your prostate swell. The testosterone 31:34 Speaker 1: also creates DHT, 31:36 Speaker 1: and 31:37 Speaker 1: that can 31:39 Speaker 1: cause prostate issues 31:41 Speaker 1: as well. 31:43 Speaker 1: The testosterone, I'd stay away from it. I would also stay away from HGH, actual HGH or any of the HGH secretagogues, 31:50 Speaker 1: but I personally would have no problem whatsoever doing BPC, 31:54 Speaker 1: TB, the healing ones that probably I mean, besides tests, yeah, man, he's definitely a benefit from that. But if he's active, he used to play he used to play real sports, and now he's, you know, still going strong and the weekends did BPC and TB. 32:09 Speaker 1: I would absolutely implement that in my own 32:12 Speaker 1: in my life. He reminds me of myself. Right? I'm 32:18 Speaker 1: beat down, right, from all the sports I used to play, and I still try to go at it. But, man, it's a godsend. 32:25 Speaker 0: They really are. And it's just- I would be okay with that. I would, and so many people know this, but I had my 1st doctor's appointment, which was virtual today, this morning, and it's been a week since my surgery and I have been taking heavy 32:37 Speaker 0: loads of TB-five hundred and BPC-one 32:40 Speaker 0: hundred 57 blend. 32:41 Speaker 0: And even the nurse practitioner that I was speaking with today was blown away by how I was explaining how great I feel. 32:50 Speaker 0: She says, 32:51 Speaker 0: microdiscectomy 32:52 Speaker 0: is not a huge 32:53 Speaker 0: surgery and people 32:55 Speaker 0: do well after the surgery, but when I was explaining to her how well I was doing, moving around things like that, she 33:02 Speaker 0: was blown away by it. I'm going to tell you that I believe that has a big piece of it. I really do. That's why I have been doing it, and 33:09 Speaker 0: it's 1 of the reasons why I did that and I'm doing a hyperbaric chamber for my 5th time today. I believe in that as well. We can heal well, we can age well, we just have to be intelligent and there are a lot of studies on this stuff that they work. 33:24 Speaker 0: So I choose to do them. There you go. 33:28 Speaker 0: All right. You want me to take us out? Yeah, sure. Take us out. Last question, my friends. All right. Can I take SLU tablets 33:35 Speaker 0: along with a combo of Ipamorelin and CJC-twelve 33:39 Speaker 0: 95 no DAC at the same time? Easy mouth? Absolutely. Of course you can. Yes. As you should. 33:46 Speaker 1: Many times. 33:48 Speaker 0: Yeah, those 2 together are great. I think that SLU is an amazing peptide. 33:53 Speaker 0: CJC, 33:54 Speaker 0: I've said numerous times is not my favorite of the secretagogues. 33:57 Speaker 0: It's probably 1 of the most popular for whatever reason. 34:01 Speaker 0: But yeah, to answer your question, can you, should you? Sure, absolutely do it. Okay. 34:06 Speaker 1: Agreed. Absolutely. You can, you can, and, yeah, you should. It'll help. They do they do completely 34:12 Speaker 1: opposite things for you. So you're not doing anything redundant, 34:16 Speaker 1: and there is no contraindications 34:18 Speaker 1: between 34:19 Speaker 1: those 2. So 34:21 Speaker 1: have at it. And I think the SLU-two tablets, 34:24 Speaker 1: yeah, 34:25 Speaker 1: sublingual 34:26 Speaker 1: underneath your tongue tablets are the is the absolute way to go for your SLU- That's my favorite too. That's my favorite, and that is on paper says that's 34:35 Speaker 1: that's the most effective bioavailable, 34:37 Speaker 0: which is pretty rare among most these peptides. Right? Like I see- Oh, the only peptide that it really probably does better in like a pill form. Yeah. Which is, I mean, I'll tell you what, I have SLU- I have SLU injectables and I have the sublinguals and I, 34:50 Speaker 0: haven't been doing the injectables. I think the SLU- under the tongue works great. I love it. 34:55 Speaker 0: Good stuff, man. Bro, we got some good news. 35:00 Speaker 0: Will, 35:01 Speaker 0: guys is going on vacation, but guess, guess what? We are not going to skip a beat. He's going to be doing the podcast next week on a beach in Hana, Hawaii, 35:11 Speaker 0: you know, so good on him. He works his butt off. I know him well and he deserves it. So we will be doing the podcast, 35:17 Speaker 0: a peptide of the week 1st. 35:20 Speaker 0: If you have any ideas or any 35:23 Speaker 0: peptides in particular, 35:25 Speaker 0: send us some comments on my fitness channel, 35:28 Speaker 0: on any type of way that you can get ahold of us and we will go through them all, but if there's a lot of people asking for the same 1, we'll knock those out 1st. 35:36 Speaker 0: But other than that, man, anything before we go? I'm going to Kona. 35:40 Speaker 1: Kona. 35:41 Speaker 1: Kona is in Maui, I believe, the road to Hana. Oh, you're right. It is Hana. I got a mix. 35:47 Speaker 0: Kona. 35:48 Speaker 1: I did. 35:51 Speaker 1: So sorry people to be don't make you jealous. 35:54 Speaker 0: But, 35:55 Speaker 1: hey, vacations are good. Right? Like, a lot of us wanna, 35:59 Speaker 1: oh, I just work hard. I haven't taken vacation for 5 years. Right? Be tough, you know, try and be tough without. I tried to do that stuff. Like, 36:06 Speaker 1: I'm such a better 36:07 Speaker 1: worker and life is so much better if you actually let yourself just decompress 36:13 Speaker 1: and 36:14 Speaker 1: vindicate 36:14 Speaker 1: every once in a while. 36:16 Speaker 0: Good stuff. So Oh, man, have fun, man. We'll still be doing the podcast next week, but other than that, bro, enjoy your time. And for everybody else, 36:24 Speaker 0: when we got love for you, have a good week. Take care. Later.