Peptide Q&A #38 – Peptide Testing & Quality Control, HGH for Women & Post-Menopause Weight Loss
Peptide of the Week
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0:54  Speaker 2:  Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham.
0:59  Speaker 2:  Cross way, Mr. William T. Hass, ready to drop some knowledge on us. What's up, dude? Busy day.
1:07  Speaker 2:  Always a busy day, man.
1:09  Speaker 2:  What? 12 past 12? We never record past 12. Nearly 10. So
1:13  Speaker 1:  busy is good though. Busy is good. It's a busy day.
1:17  Speaker 1:  Yeah. I have a lot on my mind, I guess.
1:20  Speaker 2:  A lot of my mind, we're trying to focus. I was listening to you with, what's his name, the new guy.
1:25  Speaker 1:  Kenzie?
1:26  Speaker 2:  Yeah.
1:27  Speaker 2:  Well, it's good at that. He has patience. I'm not. I was thinking that, you know, you're just good at it, man. Like I'm just like, dude, I don't like explaining shit. Yeah. I don't like explaining stuff
1:37  Speaker 1:  at all, but I guess I was, so I was raised by 2 school teachers,
1:40  Speaker 1:  so that maybe helped. Yeah. Right? Like, maybe I just have that in my genes to like- Teach. Teach.
1:47  Speaker 1:  Yeah.
1:48  Speaker 1:  As you get, I guess, busier and own a business and get higher up and have more employees, I feel like all I'm doing is
1:56  Speaker 1:  explaining
1:57  Speaker 1:  how to do things,
1:59  Speaker 1:  but which is a huge pain in the ass. Like it sucks because,
2:04  Speaker 1:  gosh, this is 10 times faster if I just do it. The problem is if I just keep doing it. Yeah.
2:09  Speaker 1:  And then now I have so many damn tasks that only I can just do and it's impossible to do all of those So
2:17  Speaker 1:  you, it's a necessary evil, right? You got to train
2:20  Speaker 1:  people to
2:22  Speaker 1:  know how to do it. And I have the right people that are quick learners and he's a damn quick learner actually. Like he's impressive. And
2:30  Speaker 1:  that's great when you teach somebody
2:33  Speaker 1:  not even that thoroughly and then they nerdy know it.
2:36  Speaker 1:  Cerebrolys like that too. And brilliantly, but like,
2:39  Speaker 1:  yeah, it's nice. Get it. Some people just get it. But yeah, I've been having to do a lot of that.
2:44  Speaker 2:  Well, we've talked about it many times. It's hiring the right people is key to everything.
2:49  Speaker 1:  Everything.
2:51  Speaker 1:  We were at the beach this weekend and 1 of our good friends, my buddy's wife was like, oh, she's an accountant. She's like, oh, tell me about the things,
2:58  Speaker 1:  you know, what are you guys dealing with? And I was like, honestly,
3:02  Speaker 1:  I don't want to.
3:04  Speaker 1:  Answer is no. Like I explain these things all day long and think about it. Don't want to explain it to you. I just don't want to talk about it.
3:13  Speaker 1:  It was like, I understand. It's okay. Thank you. I do it every day. I
3:18  Speaker 1:  don't know. Shout out to people who I saw,
3:21  Speaker 1:  I saw somebody who I used to play volleyball with when I was a single man and out there just like having fun in life
3:27  Speaker 1:  every weekend
3:28  Speaker 1:  at this beach party that we went to. And he's like, hey, man. Haven't seen him in long, long time. He's like, I watch you and Jay Hill every week. Right? I feel like I know you guys. He's like, man, you look at you. You've changed so much.
3:39  Speaker 1:  You got a girlfriend. You got a, you got a girl. You're about to make your wife. Yes. Yes. Came up to me a few left. Super
3:47  Speaker 1:  nice guys from Oklahoma. Yeah. Like a thick accent. Yeah. Yeah. So shout out to everybody who,
3:53  Speaker 1:  yeah, everybody who watches and appreciates this. That's just, it is cool. And I guess if
3:59  Speaker 1:  you see us around, like feel free to say hi. I
4:02  Speaker 1:  guess super cool.
4:04  Speaker 1:  Yeah, I do. I like, yeah, it's nice. I was telling Will when this kind of started, because I was ahead of the curve. Had my
4:11  Speaker 2:  channels and it was happening to me quite a bit and I'm all, it's coming. Just be ready. And it started happening. I told you,
4:17  Speaker 2:  but everybody's cool, man. Everybody was cool. That's for sure. Super cool, man. When people just know about you and they listen and like it's flattering and it's super cool, man. It's, you know, just all kind of just happened.
4:28  Speaker 2:  Here we are. I, but I was, I was talking with Liz. I, so Doctor. Scott, I've been, you know, dealing with the sleep thing, dealing with this, dealing with that. So Doctor. Scott, I've been working with him and he, ran some tests. This is kind of gross, but blood test obviously, which he dug in, which is man, Scott just goes deep into that. I've never had a doctor go that deep. So that was dope. And then I did for, there's no way to say this, the fecal-
4:51  Speaker 2:  Fecal. Yeah, fecal test. And it's gross. It was seriously gross,
4:56  Speaker 2:  which would made it even worse as I sent it in and they never got it. So I had to do it again. I was like,
5:02  Speaker 2:  only me. But
5:04  Speaker 2:  that stuff's crazy, dude. So anyways, long story short,
5:07  Speaker 2:  he's working with fixing
5:08  Speaker 2:  my gut. I've had some gut problems for
5:11  Speaker 2:  ever. I think it was a Viking and I used to eat like 50 Viking and back in the day, but I will do it to you. But I've had this, as you know, this autoimmune forever, forever, ever, ever. I'm just so freaking ready to just get rid of this son of a bitch. He thinks he can fix it. So he's got me on all these dude. I have this just
5:29  Speaker 2:  box
5:30  Speaker 2:  now of supplements
5:32  Speaker 2:  taken.
5:33  Speaker 2:  Morning and night, I just started taking it for the last 2 days and yeah,
5:37  Speaker 2:  it's a little weird, bro. You
5:39  Speaker 2:  release toxins. I'm like, a little weird right now. I'm like, am I supposed to feel weird? He's all, yes. You're releasing toxins. I'm like, okay. Cause I feel so.
5:46  Speaker 2:  It's
5:48  Speaker 2:  interesting because
5:49  Speaker 2:  the reason I even bring this up is this, it's
5:52  Speaker 2:  important to do this stuff. You know what I mean? And like people that like he does that for a living. It's interesting. And I've had numerous
6:00  Speaker 2:  MDs think that they can fix it. They don't even come close.
6:03  Speaker 2:  Give the holistic man.
6:06  Speaker 2:  Him the reins, baby. Let's see if he can do this, man. So either way, it's going to reboot my gut and that will be great.
6:12  Speaker 1:  You're take a of I remember 9 week course
6:16  Speaker 2:  of what we're doing.
6:18  Speaker 1:  So we'll see. That's a good amount of time for the change that happened. Remember when I was a little kid watching ESPN or they did like this,
6:26  Speaker 1:  they spotlighted
6:28  Speaker 1:  Spotlit,
6:29  Speaker 1:  Bill Romanowski.
6:30  Speaker 1:  And they're like, let's, you know, he was a badass and obviously
6:34  Speaker 1:  he liked his supplements. Now I'm not even gonna say, like, he was doing steroids because, I mean, there is a point, like, people in the NFL, people don't understand this,
6:42  Speaker 1:  but
6:43  Speaker 1:  I've met plenty of people who like, oh, you're the NFL players. They're all on steroids. Guaranteed. Like, none of them are on steroids.
6:50  Speaker 1:  Guaranteed. You cannot play that athletic of a sport. Like, baseball's about it, and now they're even testing there. But, like, the testing is so effing strict.
6:58  Speaker 1:  Now they can take some other things, but they're not taking straight up anabolic steroids. Anyway, the whole point of this I brought up was they they, like, covered Bill Roanosky. What do eat in a day? Like, this dude had, like, trays of pills. Oh, really? Like, this is breakfast, these 7 trays. Yeah.
7:13  Speaker 1:  This is my snack. This is lunch.
7:16  Speaker 2:  That's
7:17  Speaker 1:  me now. Yeah. Yeah. Now that's a lot. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. We'll
7:21  Speaker 2:  see. Yeah. I'll keep you posted
7:24  Speaker 2:  today.
7:25  Speaker 1:  Listen, this is what we do. We love nutrition. We love it. I'm ready to dig in and fix it, baby. And the reason that none of them can be using steroids is like, they're just running too much. Like, it may make you really strong, but your connective tissues cannot
7:39  Speaker 1:  you will get injured. That's why like you'll see all the big names who we knew were doing steroids in the NFL, they got hurt. In careers in college, when you guy was running gear when I was playing in college, they always got hurt. Always got hurt. They're gonna pull hands straight. Your muscles too strong for your tendons. Your
7:55  Speaker 1:  endurance just cannot,
7:58  Speaker 1:  you know, yeah, you just can't do it for long time.
8:01  Speaker 2:  They definitely inject you with like cortisol. Just crazy. And I had a,
8:06  Speaker 2:  Evan Britton on. He's an NFL star. And he was telling me it was kind of fun to just dig into just, man, they, they just blast you. You're getting your ass on that field,
8:17  Speaker 2:  are getting your ass on that field, dude. Like, you are shamed. If you don't, I was like, wow, that's intense, man. But dude, you are at the top echelons
8:26  Speaker 2:  of
8:27  Speaker 2:  the top sport
8:30  Speaker 1:  ever. I think football even outweighs soccer in every other country where soccer is a huge in other countries. Well, yeah, soccer wins. My win. Sucker wins universally. There's no hands down because guess what? Any kid from Ghana, no offense to Ghana, but like any 3rd world country that has no money, you can play soccer. What do you need? A ball. Yeah. You need a coconut basically to kick around. That's it. To play football, need, you know, it takes money, right? Gotta organize that many people. You gotta buy them all pads. You gotta go organize all the plays. It's just a yeah. So, like, basketball, soccer is probably university, but soccer, man. Let's play those guys make Soccer. And they make cash. But you're right. I mean, it's,
9:10  Speaker 1:  yeah, you're you're up at the very, very, very, very pinnacle and and and in an NFL career is very short, dude. Yeah. And you wanna maximize it, but it's a business too. It's all business. Even going to college. Right? Right? Like, I would high school football was fun. Right? It was still a game. Next level. You go to college and you and the 1st my the 1st realization was, damn, okay. This is a business. Yeah. Coaches,
9:33  Speaker 1:  this is their career. Yeah.
9:35  Speaker 1:  They are yelling at you because this is their career and their whole family is on the line. Right? Whereas your high school coach
9:41  Speaker 1:  Yeah. He's a teacher. He don't really care. Like, it's the, you know, that Just get out there and enjoy yourself. Do your best. You know? It's like, get your ass on that field, dude. No. I need you to feed my kids. Yeah. Right? That's just an And they're making millions of dollars.
9:56  Speaker 2:  So
9:57  Speaker 2:  What was the statistic that
9:59  Speaker 2:  by NFL players that go broke within few years? Yeah. Pretty crazy amount. Like, really high. It's like almost all.
10:06  Speaker 2:  I mean, you know how to, you don't know how to deal with money. You don't know how deal with money. Just kept making nothing. Good money in my early twenties and I had no clue about anything. No, absolutely. No. But the next round, I was smart. I mean, me too. I'm gonna invest this bitch. I started a company when I was 21 and then ended
10:24  Speaker 1:  up selling it, well, being forced to sell it
10:27  Speaker 1:  and had to sign like a letter that says I'm banned from the industry. Okay. I had a drug problem, but like,
10:33  Speaker 1:  absolutely.
10:34  Speaker 1:  When I got when I 1st had a taste of money, because like growing up, I couldn't get Nike shoes. Right? It was always like, you know, but gotta go to Payless shoe source. And so I always wanted things, but never could have them. And then when I finally started making my own money
10:47  Speaker 1:  at 1 point, Yeah. I usually had 2 apartments,
10:50  Speaker 1:  like a boat, an avalanche, Mercedes, 2 apartments for no fucking reason. No reason. Right? Just like buying out the bar when I'd go out. And,
10:58  Speaker 1:  yeah, that was dumb and not right. But I didn't know how to, yeah, didn't know what I didn't know what the hell to do. I wasn't responsible. Was young too. Young people are dumb. Yeah, dude. So think about 1 guys making millions in their early twenties. And
11:12  Speaker 1:  then the the early twenties 0 wasn't making like nothing close to millions. Just buying like all these friends who say, yo,
11:19  Speaker 1:  let me get some, right? They don't realize taxes, right? They're taking 0.5 of their money. Yeah,
11:26  Speaker 1:  so it makes sense. Same same thing, lotto ticket winners, right? Like
11:32  Speaker 1:  always broke because they don't know how to deal with it. This, the mob has known this. They have a saying like, don't never make a poor man the boss.
11:40  Speaker 1:  Right? Because the poor man, when he gets some money, he gets a little greedy and he wants to keep it and he does dumb things and then he gets violent.
11:47  Speaker 1:  That's true. So yeah.
11:50  Speaker 1:  Those mob guys know what's up, dude.
11:52  Speaker 2:  Yeah.
11:53  Speaker 2:  My Brooklyn, mom was
11:56  Speaker 2:  New York. Go ahead. Finale, done a finale. Cool, man. So today, my friends, it is a Q and A.
12:02  Speaker 2:  These are good questions. I thought they were great.
12:05  Speaker 2:  So we're going to enjoy this. Remember to jump on to school. School is growing.
12:10  Speaker 2:  It's going well. People are loving it. So if you haven't joined
12:15  Speaker 2:  our school platform,
12:17  Speaker 2:  jump on there. There's been some great information,
12:20  Speaker 2:  not just the stuff that we're posting,
12:23  Speaker 2:  but just everybody's kind of posting. I posted something yesterday, just kind of curious and it did well. I said, you know, here's our Will and I talk about our favorite compounds or what are your top 3? And so many people commented. So I thought that was cool. And it's a wide range of stuff out there, man. There's people are educating themselves. You could even tell them some of the questions they've changed and people are growing and it's been a cool
12:48  Speaker 1:  experience,
12:48  Speaker 1:  man. And to those people who ask questions to me
12:52  Speaker 1:  that are complex ones,
12:55  Speaker 1:  I know, and I'm working on it. Okay.
12:59  Speaker 1:  It's been, you know, it's been a few days since I've been asked, like, a few of these people and haven't got back to them. But, yeah, they're coming. It's coming. Is a lot. And they're like, yeah.
13:09  Speaker 1:  Like, yes, some loaded questions.
13:12  Speaker 1:  And school is still like, folks, we it is it is under construction. It's still there,
13:17  Speaker 1:  but we are just just be patient as we're Upgrading it. Rebranding and upgrading. We got a lot of cool stuff to coming,
13:24  Speaker 1:  including a whole new just private
13:27  Speaker 1:  q and a forum
13:29  Speaker 1:  section.
13:30  Speaker 1:  Different
13:30  Speaker 1:  different same platform, but like different actual,
13:34  Speaker 1:  I don't know, ownership, actual plat different. Still made on school, but not the Pepatide of the Week school.
13:41  Speaker 1:  It's gonna be dope, and that's the spot to be. But yeah, more to come. Yeah, VIP, a little bit more correct access to us. We can't answer every single email. Yeah. It just would not, can do it. Yeah. We're gonna call it like it's the JD and Will VIP forum. Really original, but that's what it is.
14:00  Speaker 1:  Make it very easy. We're trying to go with simple. And,
14:03  Speaker 1:  yeah, no fancy.
14:05  Speaker 2:  Well, do this honors, big dog. You're always the 1st.
14:10  Speaker 1:  I am that's not the right 1. Hold on 1 2nd.
14:13  Speaker 1:  Why did you go here? Okay. Why the peptide companies, right? That's what we're talking about. Why
14:21  Speaker 1:  are the peptide companies not testing for endotoxins,
14:24  Speaker 1:  TFA
14:25  Speaker 1:  sterility,
14:26  Speaker 1:  heavy metals, etcetera? They all mainly seem to focus on mass and purity. Interesting
14:31  Speaker 1:  on your, interested in your take. Great question. Good question. Okay, so
14:37  Speaker 1:  here is, I guess, you know, the main answer is just an economic answer. Okay? I know that like we,
14:46  Speaker 1:  I guess, consult for some different companies and the way to go is
14:49  Speaker 1:  here's here's the realistic thing.
14:52  Speaker 1:  Let me do some math for you. Okay? So a basic,
14:58  Speaker 1:  a basic test
14:59  Speaker 1:  for just purity and content,
15:02  Speaker 1:  average is about $200. Okay?
15:06  Speaker 1:  A Pepatide company that I know about is
15:09  Speaker 1:  intimately is testing, sends out samples, okay, to 3 independent labs,
15:15  Speaker 1:  every sample,
15:16  Speaker 1:  and,
15:17  Speaker 1:  you know, starting from scratch and just going, alright, hey, let's revamp quality control, blah, blah, blah. We're sending out every single peptide, but to 3 different ones. So you got 75 peptides,
15:28  Speaker 1:  right?
15:29  Speaker 1:  Times
15:30  Speaker 1:  $200 each. All right.
15:34  Speaker 1:  Times 3 different spots. So there's $45,000
15:37  Speaker 1:  for testing for your quality and purity testing. Now, if you do for the heavy metals and all the endotoxins, etcetera, it's about $600 a test. So 600 times 75
15:48  Speaker 1:  times 3,
15:50  Speaker 1:  look, you're about $135,000
15:53  Speaker 1:  to
15:55  Speaker 1:  test basically 1 batch of every peptide and that needs to be ongoing, right? Every single new batch that you get in,
16:03  Speaker 1:  you're doing it again.
16:04  Speaker 1:  Times 3. Now, obviously that's the upfront initial expense and then it gets a little bit easier, but economically,
16:11  Speaker 1:  these research peptide companies,
16:13  Speaker 1:  they not have they are not bound by
16:16  Speaker 1:  all these regulations that force them to do all this stuff. This is why you get to buy these peptides. Cheap. Cheap. And I'm talking cheap, like fraction cheap compared to buying them,
16:28  Speaker 1:  prescribed right from Eli Lilly. They are bound to do all of these CGMP
16:35  Speaker 1:  testing procedures, and that is why you will be paying 15 times the price. So,
16:42  Speaker 1:  also,
16:43  Speaker 1:  like, what really I don't know. You're not
16:46  Speaker 1:  I have some doubts. And personally, I guess maybe just because I'm a
16:50  Speaker 1:  gym bro and I've, like, put enough stuff in my body that,
16:54  Speaker 1:  yeah, weigh the consequences
16:56  Speaker 1:  on financial. Right? So basically, hey, if you don't if you want them if you want it cheap and a real good price and to do it, you just you can't complain.
17:03  Speaker 1:  Beggars can't be choosers.
17:06  Speaker 1:  Or you can pay 15 times as much. I personally
17:09  Speaker 1:  yeah, cool. I don't want my endotoxins to be just off the charts bad
17:14  Speaker 1:  heavy metals, but man, you should see what the, like, acceptable level of arsenic is in a daily allotment for people. Right? And like what other,
17:22  Speaker 1:  and people don't really know how to read these things. They don't really know, and it's too too much for me to kind of explain right now because we gotta talk about every single different compound and every single different heavy metal or potential toxin Yeah. And what the allowable limit is.
17:38  Speaker 1:  Like, we we consume this stuff every day, breathing.
17:41  Speaker 1:  I guarantee that you're, like, the Big Mac or, like, Coca Cola that you drink Doritos. Is in Doritos
17:48  Speaker 1:  is way worse for you
17:50  Speaker 1:  with all of that shit than doing a peptide that, you know, hasn't been tested. Now you
17:57  Speaker 1:  shouldn't ever buy some stuff that hasn't been tested at all. And
18:02  Speaker 1:  what you will see, you're gonna see test companies more and more have these further, further expensive tests, right? As people are realizing that LL peptides are great, they are working,
18:12  Speaker 1:  and more money is going to come into this, right? Bigger money players
18:16  Speaker 1:  who,
18:17  Speaker 1:  so the standard is just going to go up and up and up and up. Which is good. It's great. It's just really good.
18:23  Speaker 1:  That, I mean, that's the
18:25  Speaker 1:  reason why. Okay. And
18:28  Speaker 1:  hopefully
18:29  Speaker 1:  they all get to this really high standard. Yeah. Right. And are somehow can keep costs down.
18:35  Speaker 2:  Well, if you've heard the podcast with Jay Campbell, whether you believe it or not, but what he said is about 70%
18:42  Speaker 2:  of those smaller research companies will be bye bye because they're not going to be able to do those types of testings. The ones that actually are literally like testing them properly
18:52  Speaker 2:  are going to be the ones that kind of make it through. So whether that's true or not, we kind of think so. Which
18:59  Speaker 2:  is good for you. I mean, yes, is the cost going to increase? A bit sure.
19:03  Speaker 2:  But you're getting safe products and you're still going to get them a buttload cheaper than you're going to get them from those higher companies. So they'll still be cheaper. They will be tested. So there will be some type of regulation to a degree.
19:16  Speaker 2:  It's a good thing. It's a good thing there. It's improving, man. You don't want to get it from John that has it out of his back of his truck because he got it from China for $16.
19:25  Speaker 2:  That's great. You can literally find that. But the reason these companies pass the cost on to you is because they test them. He just went over the cost. It costs a shitload of money to test these damn things, man. So that gets passed on to you. That's why the companies that charge a little bit more,
19:43  Speaker 2:  charge a little bit more. It's a test of them. Simple
19:45  Speaker 1:  math. Simple math. And also to add on to like, and I agree that he says, you know, 30%
19:52  Speaker 1:  of the companies will still will be, will remain because they have good quality control standards. But I also kind of agree with Jay, probably about 75%
19:59  Speaker 1:  of the peptides out there in research websites
20:02  Speaker 1:  are
20:05  Speaker 1:  bunk. Like, you know, say they're 10 mg, but you're getting 4.5 mg or you're not getting any and you're getting something else. Right? So,
20:15  Speaker 2:  This man's been in this game a long time, fellas and people. So he knows what he's talking about. He's just throwing away a lot of bumps. The job tested was not tested well. So if you got that company that didn't care,
20:29  Speaker 2:  you would get 4
20:31  Speaker 2:  mg of
20:32  Speaker 2:  Retrutide and you bought the 30 mg. Yeah, I gotta tell you, like a 100 plus suppliers I have purchased
20:38  Speaker 1:  things off of and tested them all.
20:41  Speaker 1:  And I would say, yeah, probably I haven't honestly to be honest, like Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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21:00  Speaker 1:  I'd say about 15 percent, 20 percent of those, like, were fully dosed and say what and what they were. Yeah. The other ones just threw away. And so the average Joe is going, Oh, well, I find a hack. And they're like, they found 1 of those hundreds buyers I bought bought
21:15  Speaker 1:  it, they got it and they sold it. That's what they're putting on the website.
21:18  Speaker 1:  And
21:20  Speaker 1:  yeah, about 20% of the actually is on the news or even dosed, right? Not to even mention into toxins and minerals, etcetera. But
21:28  Speaker 1:  that's what you
21:30  Speaker 1:  want.
21:31  Speaker 2:  So that's why.
21:33  Speaker 2:  Said there. All right. Let's
21:35  Speaker 2:  see here.
21:36  Speaker 2:  Appreciate you guys. Many blessings and continued success. I was wondering if you all monitor IGF-one
21:43  Speaker 2:  before taking IGF-1LR-three,
21:46  Speaker 2:  When would your IGF-one be at a level where you would have concerns? Any other competing peptides you would
21:53  Speaker 2:  be concerned taking if starting IGF-1LR3?
21:57  Speaker 2:  Continuing
21:58  Speaker 2:  to build muscle, cut fat. And I'm looking to add this to the stack.
22:03  Speaker 2:  I'm just waiting for blood work to come back to get a baseline. I'm 53 years old male.
22:10  Speaker 2:  Stack consists
22:11  Speaker 2:  of HGH2
22:13  Speaker 2:  IUs, TRT 175
22:15  Speaker 2:  mg per week,
22:17  Speaker 2:  Kisspeptin,
22:18  Speaker 2:  AOD, CJC, Ipamorelin,
22:20  Speaker 2:  GHK-
22:22  Speaker 2:  CU. I'm a peptide lover. Yes, you should.
22:26  Speaker 1:  You go,
22:27  Speaker 2:  dude. Only 1 I was kind of curious about was Kisspeptin in there. I'd
22:33  Speaker 2:  kick that out of the, out of there. You're running TRT,
22:36  Speaker 2:  probably don't need that. It's probably going to accuse your testosterone to the degree where you might have some issues. I speak with experience,
22:42  Speaker 1:  shot at my testosterone. It's getting gyno. What do you got? Well, so yeah, so the Kisspeptin, here's the deal with that. Like we've talked about and I maybe I wasn't
22:51  Speaker 1:  listening to what you just said. I'm sorry. Sure. But,
22:54  Speaker 1:  so the Kisspeptin starts, so it is there to kind of increase
22:59  Speaker 1:  testicular action, right, on both of your, like,
23:03  Speaker 1:  luteinizing hormone follicle stimulating.
23:06  Speaker 1:  Yeah. So you're both your testes. Okay?
23:09  Speaker 1:  It starts though where it naturally starts, which is in our brain with our pituitary. Okay? And the research tells us that if you are on TRT,
23:17  Speaker 1:  okay, pituitary is basically,
23:19  Speaker 1:  and therefore you have elevated testosterone levels, that means our pituitary
23:23  Speaker 1:  is not listening.
23:25  Speaker 1:  It will not be told to turn on because it goes, No, I already have enough testosterone.
23:31  Speaker 1:  So
23:33  Speaker 1:  Kisspeptin is essentially
23:35  Speaker 1:  worthless if you're taking testosterone. Right.
23:38  Speaker 1:  Because it won't do it. It won't it'll say, hit the 2 or 10. It makes them goes, nope, I'm not doing it. I already have enough testosterone. We are good. So as opposed to HCG where it bypasses that loop and just starts here, it just tells it to make tells testes to make more Yeah. And it will do it.
23:54  Speaker 1:  So that's what I guess stood out to me. The 1 thing I don't I can't give you an exact answer on what blood levels
24:03  Speaker 1:  exactly to look for and make a determination if it's okay to take IGF-1LR-three,
24:08  Speaker 1:  right, or not. Sorry. But
24:12  Speaker 1:  you I guess the 1 worry so taking HGH or or a secretagog and IGF-one is going to increase growth signaling. Okay? Taking both of those, great. It will increase growth signaling. All 3. Okay. Is he taking all 3? Yeah. HGH is secreted to go to IGF-1s too much. I think that that is too much. Think that is
24:33  Speaker 1:  there is too much of too much of the same thing competing for the same pathway. Absolutely. K?
24:40  Speaker 1:  I would
24:42  Speaker 1:  take something like,
24:44  Speaker 1:  IGF-one,
24:45  Speaker 1:  and
24:46  Speaker 1:  I would maybe choose 2, but just be don't don't do a whole bunch of of those 2. Okay? So secretagogues
24:54  Speaker 1:  plus IGF-one
24:56  Speaker 1:  or HGH
24:57  Speaker 1:  plus IGF-one.
24:59  Speaker 1:  IGF-one would be the 1 that's would either make a choice of secretagogue or HGH. That's either or, and then you can add IGF-one,
25:06  Speaker 1:  but don't do a ton of any of them. Yeah. Okay. You really don't wanna just overdo it. Right? You will see, you know, like hypoglycemia,
25:15  Speaker 1:  edema, which is just water, excess water retention.
25:20  Speaker 1:  Though that's a sign that we're doing too much and we need to back it off.
25:24  Speaker 1:  But IGF-one is essentially the byproduct of HGH and secretagogues, right? But it's the byproduct that is the growth signaling. So,
25:31  Speaker 1:  just giving yourself straight IGF-1LR-three
25:33  Speaker 1:  is just telling your body just right now, boom, hey, let's grow your muscles
25:38  Speaker 1:  Yep.
25:39  Speaker 1:  Without
25:41  Speaker 1:  some of the natural loop that the secretagogs take, and not much of a natural loop that HGH takes. HGH is gonna give you that IGF-one increase, but also the other side of it, which is essentially the metabolic side, is the fat burning side. It's a growth and fat burning.
25:57  Speaker 1:  So be aware that I would cut yeah. I'd worry about just too much in the same pathway
26:02  Speaker 1:  and everything else.
26:04  Speaker 1:  Do that to think about that with other peptides everybody you're taking. Like,
26:09  Speaker 1:  if you have 1 2 peptides that
26:12  Speaker 1:  do the same thing or compete for the same pathway cause their mechanism
26:16  Speaker 1:  is basically the same thing.
26:18  Speaker 1:  Let's just do
26:20  Speaker 1:  1 of those, like, yeah, save some money, do that for 90 days,
26:24  Speaker 1:  get off that and then do that other 1.
26:27  Speaker 2:  That would be my strategy. We totally get it. I mean, we totally get it. I've done it numerous times. I've taken boatloads of peptides, you know, like they're easy access for me. Why would I not? But like, as I grow and as I evolve and I learn, as I learn myself and how I feel, blah, blah, blah, I
26:45  Speaker 2:  think going slow and just easy literally is the best way to do it. Know, you have a lot of these peptides are great. Like you can do them in every 90 days, change it, change your cycle, change it around.
26:56  Speaker 2:  SS-31Mod
26:57  Speaker 2:  C and NAD, amazing. So use it for like 90 days, take a big break and then switch it up. Try some Cmax, Cline, whatever. So you definitely obviously have the love for peptides,
27:06  Speaker 2:  but just like us, just like everybody, we, we start to get so trained to take something when
27:12  Speaker 2:  the baseline
27:13  Speaker 2:  of everything is diet and exercise and sleep.
27:18  Speaker 2:  And sleep, I've talked about my lack of sleep and it F'd me up
27:23  Speaker 2:  I ran
27:24  Speaker 2:  for about a year on 3 to 4 hours and I was running on adrenaline
27:28  Speaker 2:  for a long time and it eventually caught up to me and whooped my ass. So I fixed it, you know, slowed the hell down and fixed it. I felt great.
27:36  Speaker 2:  So get your diet in line now. I'll pull out the IGF-one
27:40  Speaker 2:  and the secretagogue.
27:42  Speaker 2:  As you know, big fans of HGH here, got the TRT. I think MK-677,
27:47  Speaker 2:  if you're trying to bulk up a bit is way better than both the secretagog and the IGF-one. I'm talking with experience. The only negative
27:55  Speaker 2:  that people have is they eat a lot. If you can control the hunger,
27:59  Speaker 2:  you're going to be fine. I truly compare MK-677
28:03  Speaker 2:  to Anabar.
28:04  Speaker 2:  Done them both.
28:06  Speaker 2:  So it does give you that nice round
28:09  Speaker 2:  looking
28:10  Speaker 2:  fullness when you lift.
28:12  Speaker 2:  So if that's what you're looking for, MK-677
28:15  Speaker 2:  is your guy. Again, as long as you don't have a problem eating too much where a lot of people have.
28:20  Speaker 2:  But other than that, I would pull out. You definitely don't want to do all 3. You're doing the AOD-two, but that's not going to increase your IGF-one.
28:28  Speaker 2:  But yeah, I would go a little bit slower, man, and just focus on your diet, focus on your sleep and
28:33  Speaker 2:  make sure that those things are prime too, and generally stay in a pocket of about 4 peptides. I really think that's a really good space and
28:43  Speaker 2:  then switch it up every few months. But try the IGF-one, but just don't try out all 3. Yeah. And on that 1 go like 8 weeks max. Yeah. Like starting at 100 micrograms a day,
28:54  Speaker 1:  I prefer post workout and always eat a little carbs with it. JD likes to pre workout, get a bigger pump pre workout for sure, especially with little carbs. I think post workout, you're getting a little bit more muscle actual development because
29:07  Speaker 1:  it's the biggest thing, it's a nutrient partitioner. Right? So it is just gonna every nutrient you eat is just gonna suck right in to where your body's asking it for. So post workout, your muscles are sponges. Just give me food. I need to rebuild because you just tore me down. It'll suck it back up. But also, again,
29:23  Speaker 1:  after a big meal, if, like, if you want to
29:25  Speaker 1:  pig out and
29:29  Speaker 1:  not have it show due to my GF-one, okay, then then eat a whole bunch. You're gonna wake up in the morning like stomach just flacks. All of those calories, all that food just sucked up in your muscles. Yeah. Nutrients. That is is that's if you are an active person and those muscles are getting regular exercise.
29:44  Speaker 1:  That's the only way that nutrients
29:46  Speaker 1:  could will be told to go into the muscles, by the way. Yeah.
29:50  Speaker 1:  Also,
29:51  Speaker 1:  we've done this before, but those of you when it when JD says MK-677
29:55  Speaker 1:  is like ANNOVAR, those of you who say, what the hell?
29:58  Speaker 1:  That's a straight bulker. What's he talking about? Anovar is a cutter. I think that that's from his perspective because he eats so damn well.
30:06  Speaker 1:  Like, if he took DeCA, it'll also Yeah. He'll stay lean. Right? So
30:11  Speaker 1:  those of you who, if you take MK-six 77, you have a little bit different genetics,
30:15  Speaker 1:  and you also cannot control your eating. That's a problem. It might not keep you. You might not be lean. Okay? That could be a problem. Yep. Just so just to put that out there. Okay?
30:27  Speaker 1:  Alright. Next 1. You're up. Okay. Hi. Love the
30:31  Speaker 1:  I love you guys. Thank you. My question is I'm a 50 year old female who had a total hysterectomy
30:38  Speaker 1:  with bilateral
30:39  Speaker 1:  salpingectomy
30:41  Speaker 1:  a year ago, sorry.
30:43  Speaker 1:  I think I'm entering perimenopause
30:45  Speaker 1:  and the insomnia.
30:47  Speaker 1:  Hot flashes and night sweats are torturous.
30:50  Speaker 1:  I've looked into Kisspeptin, but having a hysterectomy, I'm not sure if Kisspeptin
30:55  Speaker 1:  would help. Thoughts? I think you're probably right. So your hysterectomy
31:02  Speaker 1:  should involve,
31:03  Speaker 1:  like, removing an ovary.
31:06  Speaker 1:  And
31:07  Speaker 1:  that is
31:08  Speaker 1:  where a lot of those hormones that you're missing,
31:12  Speaker 1:  are being created. But also
31:15  Speaker 1:  estrogen,
31:16  Speaker 1:  like you're
31:17  Speaker 1:  I think that you're losing some estrogen somehow. I just don't think that you have the tools inside of you anymore for Kisspeptin
31:25  Speaker 1:  to actually work good. Pituitary, tell things tell
31:29  Speaker 1:  you know, can tell the ovaries to start making some different hormones, but, but they're just not capable for you. Would look at direct hormones.
31:37  Speaker 2:  I was wondering if you're going go there. That's what I would look at.
31:40  Speaker 1:  Just like
31:42  Speaker 1:  doctor 100%
31:43  Speaker 1:  direct hormones.
31:45  Speaker 1:  I just don't think your body isn't, it doesn't have the exact capability to do it right after that. 50.
31:52  Speaker 1:  Yep. So, and mostly just because of that hysterectomy, because of the surgery, because of that.
31:57  Speaker 1:  So yeah, like, like actually, you know, this is a question that needs to be detailed.
32:03  Speaker 1:  Look at your talk to your doctor. Yep. Okay? Because there is an ex there's explanation
32:08  Speaker 1:  for all there's a couple explanations for all these symptoms,
32:11  Speaker 1:  and we don't know. Nobody knows until we, until you actually do the test to figure it out.
32:16  Speaker 2:  Yeah. I think it's very simple. Blood work.
32:20  Speaker 1:  Start there. It's to answer that without seeing your blood work. We have a really good doctor we can connect you with that would go deep into your blood work and probably can give you some really good answers and some, some potential outcomes. It might make you do a poop test.
32:35  Speaker 2:  Does. He cares. And,
32:38  Speaker 2:  that's important to us. And that's why we promote certain people. You know, I won't put Will into this when I say this, I'm not huge on Western medicine, but I do have a few out there that do care because they do truly care. And when they're trying to really help and we're complicated,
32:53  Speaker 2:  dude. I'm freaking almost 50 years old, man. And I put my body through some hell,
32:59  Speaker 2:  you know, with the drug abuse and all that stuff.
33:01  Speaker 2:  You know, even though I've been sober for 15 years, there's residual,
33:05  Speaker 2:  you know, that stuff comes back around. I'm telling you, I'm going through some of it.
33:09  Speaker 2:  But we can all age well and it all starts with blood work. It all starts with doing some things we don't want to do, like poop tests and all that stuff.
33:17  Speaker 2:  When we get to the bottom of whatever it is affecting us, we can fix it. But we got to know 1st, we got to run tests.
33:25  Speaker 1:  As that.
33:26  Speaker 2:  0 All right. True. All right. Hello. A 57 year old female dealing with a 50 pounds post menopause weight gain. Bummer
33:34  Speaker 2:  Goal is to look and stay as youthful as possible.
33:39  Speaker 2:  Join the club. I'm currently on CJC-twelve
33:42  Speaker 2:  95, Ipamorelin,
33:44  Speaker 2:  GHK- CU,
33:45  Speaker 2:  Wolverine,
33:47  Speaker 2:  and KPV almost 4 months.
33:49  Speaker 2:  This go around added
33:51  Speaker 2:  MOTS-3C
33:52  Speaker 2:  few weeks ago and experienced ravenous hunger. Well, I'm
33:56  Speaker 2:  seriously considering dropping the CJC and going for the HGH.
34:00  Speaker 2:  Will it hurt myself in the long run if I have to come off the HGH at some point in the future at my age, what do I have to lose? Need reassurance
34:10  Speaker 2:  of the safety of HGH.
34:12  Speaker 2:  Can't do GLPs
34:14  Speaker 2:  at all. Hoping this will help me reach my goals to lose weight and look younger.
34:20  Speaker 2:  I'm consistent with the gym and macros, but not seeing a lot of results
34:25  Speaker 2:  for my efforts. Pre menopause
34:27  Speaker 2:  weight was stable and I carried good muscle on
34:31  Speaker 2:  five'four frame for the efforts. Thanks guys. Enjoying 1 being a part of your community. So
34:37  Speaker 2:  57 year old female,
34:38  Speaker 2:  50 pounds post
34:40  Speaker 1:  So I think the 1st of all, just like, Hey, the MOTSY cool
34:45  Speaker 1:  Can boost is going to boost your metabolism.
34:47  Speaker 1:  What your body wants after it burns calories. Wants food. So
34:51  Speaker 1:  it could be that, Hey, but, but, but it could be that maybe the CJC Ipah is just starting to work. Okay. It take these things, all these peptides just take a little while, take a couple of weeks to start really kicking in. Who knows? You may just have started them at C and like,
35:05  Speaker 1:  even though it's CJC Ipanda long enough, and then now it's really starting to, yeah, Yeah. Kick things into gear and that's what's causing the hunger because it is a growth hormone secretagogue.
35:15  Speaker 1:  Also telling the body to grow, body needs food to grow.
35:18  Speaker 1:  So
35:19  Speaker 1:  keep that in mind. DHGH,
35:24  Speaker 1:  am not going to give you a confirmation and guarantees that there will be no problems
35:29  Speaker 1:  ever from HGH.
35:31  Speaker 1:  That's
35:33  Speaker 1:  that's that would be untruthful,
35:35  Speaker 1:  but I think that
35:37  Speaker 1:  so at a low dose of HGH,
35:41  Speaker 1:  I after long term use, the biggest
35:44  Speaker 1:  problem is I think is while you're using it is going a little too much, or heck, if you're sensitive to like higher blood sugars or
35:56  Speaker 1:  dimming down your insulin sensitivity, that's the bigger risk. I don't
36:01  Speaker 1:  think it's going to, when you get off it now your body won't know how to make HGH. I
36:06  Speaker 1:  think as far as on that
36:09  Speaker 1:  tip,
36:10  Speaker 1:  you're going to be about where your body would naturally be if you never did HGH as far as your natural HGH levels. Okay. It is not really, it doesn't work the same way like a testosterone. If somebody's on testosterone for 5 years,
36:25  Speaker 1:  right. And then they stop
36:27  Speaker 1:  absolutely
36:28  Speaker 1:  their body and their nuts are going to be like, Oh crap, I got to start. I got used to not having to make so much.
36:34  Speaker 1:  Now we got to restart the factory and it's going to take a little while.
36:39  Speaker 1:  HGH,
36:40  Speaker 1:  it can work like that if you abuse it, but taking it in the morning,
36:45  Speaker 1:  and not very much, it's not, you're not gonna have this like let down. Okay? I think that you'll take it and your body will be making the normal amount of HGH that it always
36:54  Speaker 1:  should be making at your age, which is not much,
36:58  Speaker 1:  not enough to make you happy probably. So
37:01  Speaker 1:  I don't think there's an extra bad you
37:04  Speaker 1:  have to worry about problems
37:06  Speaker 1:  being caused when coming off. I just would
37:09  Speaker 1:  rather not come off
37:11  Speaker 1:  because it will be better if to not come off. But I don't think it's causing extra problems when you do come off. Yeah. That makes sense
37:18  Speaker 1:  in lots of words.
37:19  Speaker 1:  Sorry.
37:22  Speaker 1:  Yeah. What else you got? Well,
37:26  Speaker 2:  I was curious when you said you couldn't take the GLP-1s.
37:29  Speaker 2:  You didn't really say why. I wish you did.
37:31  Speaker 2:  You know, gaining 50 pounds sucks for anybody. So I think HGH is great. You're 57. I think most people over 40 do
37:39  Speaker 2:  well with it at a low dose. I do think at low dose for women is different. It's a little bit different. 1 IU, I think that will do wonders. We've talked about it numerous times. It's going to take a while for that to even hit its stride. You might feel a little tired at 1st because
37:52  Speaker 2:  HGH can do that to you, but once it hits, man, it's great. I love it. It's, I've said it countless times. It's up there close to the TRT
38:00  Speaker 2:  with me now. You ladies going through the menopause stuff, it's a bummer, man. It's part of life though. You know, I mean, there's, when it comes to peptides,
38:11  Speaker 2:  you know, there's a lot of peptides that are going to help with a lot of that stuff. What are some of the issues women have with menopause?
38:17  Speaker 2:  Brain fog, weight gain,
38:19  Speaker 2:  moodiness,
38:21  Speaker 2:  thinning hair, sex drive decreases,
38:23  Speaker 2:  dry skin.
38:25  Speaker 2:  So if you just slow down and think of that, you can combat that with certain peptides. And I'm not saying you throw the book at it, but you could, you can combat these brain fog. You can talk with, give you some cellular energy NAD,
38:40  Speaker 2:  SS-31MoTC.
38:43  Speaker 2:  When it comes to weight gain, I would tell you, Retatrutide,
38:46  Speaker 2:  you said you can't take a GLP-one, but you can try like Tesofensine
38:49  Speaker 2:  That might work for you.
38:51  Speaker 2:  When it comes to moodiness,
38:53  Speaker 2:  C
38:54  Speaker 2:  Max,
38:55  Speaker 2:  Selank,
38:56  Speaker 2:  both,
38:57  Speaker 2:  you can run both of those together. I think they work well. Obviously the intimacy and the dryness down below is the infamous PT-one 141,
39:06  Speaker 2:  and then the dry skin and hair and all that, all know it's GHK- CU or just
39:11  Speaker 2:  take the CLO
39:12  Speaker 2:  with KPV
39:14  Speaker 2:  and the Wolverine and the TB-five 100. That's just such a perfect product for older women that are going through this types of things. Now that's
39:22  Speaker 2:  a lot of products. I'm not saying take it all, but you could, you know, I generally just said take maybe 4,
39:28  Speaker 2:  but you're going through a big change in life.
39:31  Speaker 2:  And if you're fighting with your husband and yelling at him and you don't know why,
39:35  Speaker 2:  and these things can help with that, why not fix it? Probably not his fault. He's a dick.
39:40  Speaker 2:  Your husband's a dick.
39:43  Speaker 2:  Yeah, I mean, that's it. So those things are, we have a menopause protocol.
39:50  Speaker 2:  So I know we've done that 1. It comes up so much. I would say for women, the TRT and the menopause are just obviously
39:56  Speaker 2:  the top 2.
39:58  Speaker 2:  And that will help with that stuff. Again, I wish I knew why you can't take the GOPs,
40:04  Speaker 2:  but Retatrutide is obviously going to be the king to help bring down that weight. But again, Tesofensine.
40:10  Speaker 1:  Yeah, I was about to 2nd that, about to say like, yo, I doubled down on the idea of Tesofensine when in doubt, when, when, when unable to do any of the GLPs, Tesofensine isn't is 2nd best.
40:21  Speaker 2:  They say that it combats Retatrutide in regards to the food noise. Do you feel that?
40:26  Speaker 1:  Yes.
40:27  Speaker 2:  Yeah.
40:28  Speaker 1:  It's not like I don't want to eat, but it absolutely
40:31  Speaker 1:  get it. The food noise is that is the pleasure spike you get from food. So
40:37  Speaker 1:  for me, it absolutely kills the need for sugar. No way. Yeah.
40:42  Speaker 2:  That's interesting. So I don't even know if I've been told Will this.
40:47  Speaker 2:  You know, we grow from this channel. We talk about these things so much and in a lot of conversations
40:52  Speaker 2:  just really intrigued me to like think through things a little bit differently. And Tesofensine
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41:15  Speaker 2:  Obviously, it's the 1 podcast that got taken down on YouTube. We don't know why. Weird.
41:19  Speaker 2:  So anyways,
41:20  Speaker 2:  a lot of you might have not seen it if you watch on YouTube, but, if you watch on the podcast, it's a good 1. Go check it out. We did a deep dive, and Will and I had discussed it and he loves it. I hated it. So I realized that I didn't give it a fair shake. So as I got off peptides in the last month or so,
41:37  Speaker 2:  that was the 1 I tried and I freaking actually told you I loved it. I obviously, whenever I felt when I was in Cancun was probably not the test of fancy. Now here's
41:46  Speaker 2:  what I don't feel. I don't get any food noise blockage. I still have been craving sugar.
41:52  Speaker 2:  Scott said yeast in my stomach because I have a yeast problem. So
41:56  Speaker 2:  you crave sugar. I've been craving sugar like a son of a bitch lately. He says, that's it. So
42:02  Speaker 2:  I'm not on Retta. I have been on Tesofensine.
42:05  Speaker 2:  Here's what I love about it. I feel like it gives me energy.
42:08  Speaker 2:  I take it right when I wake up. And,
42:11  Speaker 2:  by the time the coffee's done, I feel like I'm already awake because I have 0.5 cup of coffee and then I do my readings and I'm just ready. So,
42:19  Speaker 2:  I've been taking it a month and I've been loving it, but I don't feel the food noise blocking. How much are you taking? Just 1 pill. So 50 was that 50? Try to take 2. So your, I think that those are
42:30  Speaker 1:  either 2 50 micrograms or 500. I'm trying to remember what was but
42:36  Speaker 1:  people can take up to 1000.
42:38  Speaker 1:  I take 2 pills a day. And yeah, absolutely. It's the energy. Here's the thing with the food, the sugar. Like, I am so used to eating
42:47  Speaker 1:  ice cream, like, every night, like a little pint of ice cream. Okay, guys? I just did that forever years.
42:52  Speaker 1:  And, and my body got used to it. Didn't really add any fat or do anything bad. Sorry.
42:56  Speaker 1:  But 500 micrograms a pill. Okay. So,
43:01  Speaker 1:  I, when I take the I started taking this,
43:04  Speaker 1:  my brain just out of habit, I was like, okay, it's time for the ice cream. Right? And I wasn't necessarily like wanting it, but this is, well, I bet I will And want
43:13  Speaker 1:  then when I take a bite,
43:15  Speaker 1:  it just is like, okay,
43:18  Speaker 1:  that's ice cream. It's not that special.
43:21  Speaker 1:  Like before it was like, damn, like that just like gave me a huge
43:25  Speaker 1:  dopamine spike in this time. It just and so like I would throw away 0.5 of the ice cream and then just stop buying them.
43:33  Speaker 1:  So it was more out of habit, but it absolutely, I don't know. Yeah, it helps a lot. And energy, the biggest thing in energy, like I just don't feel like, I don't feel like taking a nap. And it's because it's getting you energy, but it's also boosting your dopamine and happy,
43:47  Speaker 1:  yet energized. And I don't know. I personally want to take naps when I'm like depressed.
43:53  Speaker 1:  And I don't say like, I get like fully depressed, but there are times where I get moods that where I'm like, not
43:58  Speaker 1:  happy.
43:59  Speaker 1:  This
44:00  Speaker 1:  could put when I'm motivated about something, I don't care how little sleep I got. I'm not tired. Yeah, right. So that's kind of the way it makes me feel. Like, damn, dude, I'm looking forward thing to things,
44:11  Speaker 1:  even if there's not a lot to look forward to,
44:14  Speaker 1:  well, there usually is a lot to look forward to, but yeah, the energy and just happiness,
44:19  Speaker 1:  which
44:20  Speaker 1:  makes you wanna be like, be awake and keep doing things. I get it. I get it. I think works. Think it's fucking awesome. I also I stand corrected.
44:29  Speaker 1:  Last person
44:30  Speaker 1:  I would think about maybe switching to CJC and go to take Tessa. Definitely Ipah because
44:36  Speaker 1:  your goal is fat loss. Especially at your age and all these things like the belly fat is that's where it's accumulating 1st and the Tessa is going to really attack that. I'd
44:46  Speaker 2:  switch over to that for sure. 0 Yeah. So those are some options that'll help you with some of the menopause stuff and shoot.
44:53  Speaker 2:  We've had women that have tried it and it's worked. I think you're up. I'm up. Okay. Hey guys,
45:00  Speaker 1:  thanks for all you do. Wondering if you could clarify to the best of your knowledge, the amount of time peptides last before mixed
45:07  Speaker 1:  and also after
45:09  Speaker 1:  reconstituted,
45:10  Speaker 1:  which is mixed. There is no such there's so much conflicting and misinformation out there. Would love any updates that you have also for HGH.
45:18  Speaker 1:  Also, this is also
45:20  Speaker 1:  is the storage of the peptides before reconstituted.
45:24  Speaker 1:  I know pieces of this have been covered in the past, but I just even recently heard from a reputable source that a mixed peptide only lasts 30 days, which I know is not accurate and wouldn't fall in line with dosage guidelines
45:36  Speaker 1:  of the peptide. So I think it might be worth reviewing again with any updated information
45:40  Speaker 1:  that you have.
45:44  Speaker 2:  Interesting.
45:45  Speaker 2:  I don't think anybody knows exactly. I think anybody that says that they know, they don't know.
45:51  Speaker 2:  It's 1 numerous peptides. Some are delicate, some are not so delicate.
45:54  Speaker 2:  Some can be out of the fridge and some cannot. So you can't bulk it together and say peptides and like, it's just like, this is how it works.
46:03  Speaker 2:  I
46:04  Speaker 2:  think
46:05  Speaker 2:  I kind of know your answer, but I think we both have changed as we've grown and changed. I'm going to tell you that generally speaking,
46:12  Speaker 2:  if we just kind of bulk them together, a general rule of thumb in my opinion would be 6 to 8 weeks
46:18  Speaker 2:  ish.
46:19  Speaker 2:  And that is going to be structured based upon different peptides. Tesamorelin,
46:23  Speaker 2:  We've learned a lot about that little son of a bitch dude. Like you eat, you know, like if you, if you watch pep podcasts
46:29  Speaker 2:  from a year ago, we changed a lot because we've grown, we've
46:32  Speaker 2:  seen
46:33  Speaker 2:  hundreds and hundreds of people take these compounds.
46:36  Speaker 2:  We've grown too. So Tesamorelin is in itself, it's changed quite a bit. You can leave it out of the fridge. We would have never thought that a year ago,
46:44  Speaker 2:  but that's what you learn because a lot of people have problems with it. So
46:48  Speaker 2:  again, I don't know if anybody knows exactly, my take is 6 to 8 weeks. That's a good rule of thumb. I think that you'll see in some literature that,
46:58  Speaker 1:  you know, yeah, 4 weeks I've seen that also, but I don't know, primary, like actual, like practical
47:05  Speaker 1:  use and application has proven to me that
47:09  Speaker 1:  that is not the case. Right? I think it I don't know. I don't want to just re explain everything he just said because I agree with basically all of it.
47:17  Speaker 1:  1st of all, but it also, what matters hugely is the solvent that you mix with it. So
47:24  Speaker 1:  a couple of different things like, A, it's like sterile water, right? Hey, people want to mix sterile water. There's a huge difference between sterile water and like bacterial static water. Okay?
47:33  Speaker 1:  Sterile water is used for only like a single use medication because it has no alcohol in there and nothing to kill or ward off bacteria. Sure. Okay? So that's you use sterile water only if you're going to mix something and then do the whole thing right now. Right?
47:49  Speaker 1:  Because bacteriostatic water, you put it in there, it's got a little bit of out the benzyl alcohol in there, that's to help kill off any bacteria. And the bacteria is not to keep you, the peptide user, safe. Right? It's not like, oh, okay, good. I'll put this bacteriostatic water so I won't get a little infection, right? It is there
48:07  Speaker 1:  to keep your peptide safe
48:08  Speaker 1:  from microscopic bacteria that will get in there and degrade it and eat it and degrade it
48:15  Speaker 1:  away. Okay. So
48:17  Speaker 1:  then obviously then you got some things. I think that's a huge distinction. Okay.
48:21  Speaker 1:  AOD water has
48:24  Speaker 1:  benzyl alcohol in it, right? The no sting water has benzyl alcohol in it. So those are no better or no worse, but you just better use them with the right compounds, especially the AOD water. The
48:35  Speaker 1:  storage couple years. So before mixing, before reconstituted,
48:38  Speaker 1:  if in The U. Looked at solvent and like your storage and handling procedures, right? So like cool dark place
48:44  Speaker 1:  or refrigerator,
48:45  Speaker 1:  which will not let condensation inside of the bottle. They were good before mixed
48:50  Speaker 1:  a couple years.
48:51  Speaker 1:  Swarty up.
48:52  Speaker 1:  HGH in particular is very sensitive.
48:55  Speaker 1:  So that 1,
48:57  Speaker 1:  degrades fast,
48:59  Speaker 1:  even unmixed
49:01  Speaker 1:  if it's in a hot
49:03  Speaker 1:  or high light environment.
49:05  Speaker 1:  So you need to be careful with that. Like if you get it, like needs to go right in the fridge,
49:09  Speaker 1:  okay, and not be exposed to light. You'll actually notice kind of an H, I have noticed this HGH going a little bit bad if it starts to burn as you, it's a bit, if you inject it and it stings,
49:18  Speaker 1:  that's not how it should be. And
49:21  Speaker 1:  I've used enough like old things and like put together a pattern. Like I see that pattern. The
49:27  Speaker 1:  other thing, I mean, again, I had a neighbor who had semaglutide
49:30  Speaker 1:  and Trizepatide for 6 months a year, I think. And she did it and she was like, great, work amazingly.
49:35  Speaker 1:  Right? I know people who've never even refrigerated them, not knowing that they're supposed to and they worked amazing. Okay.
49:41  Speaker 1:  So
49:42  Speaker 1:  so sorry folks, there is no hard fast rule. Like he said,
49:46  Speaker 1:  30 days, you're going to be ultra conservative,
49:48  Speaker 1:  I guess. But like, and that's just in 30 days is not saying, Hey, it goes from 30 days. It's working full efficacy. Day 31, it does not work at all. That's
49:57  Speaker 1:  not, that's not it. It. Maybe
49:59  Speaker 1:  this person who told you that is saying, Hey, for that specific peptide at about the 30 day mark,
50:06  Speaker 1:  it may now start to slowly degrade.
50:10  Speaker 1:  Which it will a little bit, but of course, it's gonna lose some efficacy.
50:14  Speaker 1:  Just like you and I, I have got older.
50:17  Speaker 2:  In the last hour. I have degraded in an hour.
50:20  Speaker 1:  Noticing
50:22  Speaker 1:  noticeable,
50:23  Speaker 1:  not that much, hopefully.
50:26  Speaker 1:  So yeah, dude, that's, that's the best thing we got for you. Yeah. But be good to your, just be good to them. With Tesamorelin,
50:34  Speaker 1:  I would not put
50:35  Speaker 1:  mixed with cold water. And I wouldn't actually keep in a fridge, especially if it's not too cold. I keep it in a cool dark place. And I would do it. Like guys just use the peptides fast.
50:45  Speaker 1:  A few things you should be able to use last longer than 30 days in the same bottle. Seriously. And like definitely don't get, Hey, I gotta take these 3 peptides for this cycle. Let's mix all 3 of them. Yeah. Don't do that.
50:56  Speaker 1:  Don't mix all your HGH vials. 1, use it. Mix 1, use it. Okay.
51:02  Speaker 1:  And don't let bacteria in the bacteria
51:04  Speaker 1:  will,
51:05  Speaker 1:  know, if not killed by the benzalkal will kill that.
51:08  Speaker 1:  All right,
51:09  Speaker 2:  next,
51:10  Speaker 2:  you're up. What causes NAD plus to crystallize
51:14  Speaker 2:  and what can I do about it? What was a whiz with this stuff? I don't know.
51:20  Speaker 1:  If you actually, if there's a thing,
51:22  Speaker 1:  mix it with no sting water,
51:24  Speaker 1:  Try that. It'll make it, it'll make it crystal less. Depends on how much water I would add. See if you can add more water. I have no idea what the, dilution
51:34  Speaker 1:  that you're putting in there. I think that NAD, the easiest thing to do is if you have thousand milligram
51:40  Speaker 1:  NAD plus put 10 mils of water in. Yeah, 505
51:45  Speaker 1:  hundred MLs or I mean, 500 mg NAD, I'd put 5 mils of water, right?
51:52  Speaker 1:  You want to make sure you have enough water.
51:55  Speaker 1:  If it is now most, you'll see that most NAD is coming in a
52:00  Speaker 1:  amber vial. Okay. Why is that?
52:03  Speaker 1:  That is to help to not have light get into it. Okay. They make that specifically because NAD is particularly,
52:10  Speaker 1:  I guess, expensive and, susceptible damage through light.
52:14  Speaker 1:  So
52:15  Speaker 1:  don't you know, and watch your obviously, solvent. Let's
52:21  Speaker 1:  see.
52:23  Speaker 1:  It depends.
52:24  Speaker 1:  I mean, at some cases, like maybe your NAD just isn't that good.
52:28  Speaker 1:  Okay. Maybe it's user error.
52:30  Speaker 1:  I don't really know. But if you would,
52:33  Speaker 1:  the only I can control is
52:36  Speaker 1:  the products that I know specifically.
52:38  Speaker 1:  So I don't know.
52:40  Speaker 1:  If you got a product that I suggested to you,
52:43  Speaker 1:  then you can ask us.
52:45  Speaker 1:  I can walk you through that problem, but there's a variance of reasons. It's
52:49  Speaker 1:  falling out of solution so it's crystallizing, but why?
52:52  Speaker 1:  Alright.
52:53  Speaker 1:  To you, big dough. Next. Sorry, guys. My printer failed again on my now I can't
53:00  Speaker 1:  here we go.
53:02  Speaker 2:  I'm 44. All
53:06  Speaker 1:  right. I'm a 44 year old mother of 3 sober 18 years, 5 to 7, 1 28,
53:13  Speaker 1:  very active stay at home mom as well as a trained
53:18  Speaker 1:  social dancer. I wondered what that was. What does that mean? No idea.
53:24  Speaker 2:  Social dance?
53:27  Speaker 1:  Social dancer.
53:28  Speaker 1:  Is that line dancing? Anyway,
53:30  Speaker 1:  we shall, we will, I don't know.
53:33  Speaker 1:  Maybe not figure this out, but 4 hours a week. So social net trained social dancer 4 hours a week. I
53:39  Speaker 1:  only occasionally lift weights at the gym once or twice a week. I had just started taking Tesamorelin at 500 micrograms daily last week, as well as 1.3
53:49  Speaker 1:  mg of Retta weekly.
53:52  Speaker 1:  And I'm trying to tone up even more. Previously tried CJC, no DAC plus Epimorelin,
53:56  Speaker 1:  but even at a low dose, my instant and high fluid retention was just too uncomfortable.
54:01  Speaker 1:  We didn't look good. So I stopped after 2 weeks. I've only tried growth hormone secretagogues,
54:07  Speaker 1:  but I've heard mention of IGF-1LR3
54:09  Speaker 1:  and HGH. What is the difference
54:11  Speaker 1:  in the IGF-1LR3
54:13  Speaker 1:  and HGH?
54:14  Speaker 1:  Should I switch to 1 of those instead of the growth hormone releasing hormone?
54:18  Speaker 1:  P. S. Please consider providing the same sort of hormone information for women as you give for men.
54:25  Speaker 1:  Thank you. Noted.
54:26  Speaker 1:  It's been easier for us to research
54:30  Speaker 1:  our whole lives about hormones on men
54:33  Speaker 1:  because it pertained to us, but I totally feel it. That's a valid request.
54:38  Speaker 1:  We're just maybe just
54:41  Speaker 1:  a little bit behind the curve on the knowledge 3 of that. We're shit, we're learning. We know more
54:46  Speaker 1:  than men.
54:48  Speaker 2:  Some people on to talk about it.
54:51  Speaker 2:  We'll continue to do that because I know it is increasing,
54:54  Speaker 2:  man. And we have heard so story after story of women getting on testosterone or hormone replacement
54:59  Speaker 2:  and it changed in their lives, man. So it's pretty awesome to see. And poor women,
55:04  Speaker 1:  they're just so damn complex, like even their bodies compared to us, you know? And so they got a whole bunch more weird shit going on that like it's worse and different, you know, the ovulation thing. Mean, there's
55:15  Speaker 1:  just a lot. Okay. And
55:18  Speaker 1:  so my
55:19  Speaker 1:  heart goes out to y'all managing
55:21  Speaker 1:  those hormones, which are a lot to manage. Okay.
55:25  Speaker 1:  So
55:26  Speaker 1:  answer is what, I mean, question. So should you take, Hey, can I take IGF-1LR
55:31  Speaker 1:  3 instead of the secretagogues or HGH? So I guess think of it this way.
55:37  Speaker 1:  Secretagogue
55:38  Speaker 1:  and HGH,
55:39  Speaker 1:  put those as like, that's the question of an of an either or. Okay? They are both trying to accomplish the same end goal.
55:47  Speaker 1:  They are the full spectrum
55:49  Speaker 1:  HGH
55:50  Speaker 1:  telling your body to
55:52  Speaker 1:  burn fat,
55:55  Speaker 1:  boost metabolism,
55:56  Speaker 1:  and grow
55:57  Speaker 1:  everything, which means heal from injuries, heal muscles,
56:01  Speaker 1:  Also
56:02  Speaker 1:  sleep well,
56:04  Speaker 1:  less wrinkles,
56:05  Speaker 1:  more hair growth, right? That's the growth portion of it. So the
56:08  Speaker 1:  secret to dogs, whether it be CJC, Ipamorelin or Tesamorelin, Ipamorelin,
56:15  Speaker 1:  those are doing the body's natural way. They're
56:18  Speaker 1:  stimulating the very start of the process
56:21  Speaker 1:  and hoping for the end result. Very start of the process is pituitary,
56:26  Speaker 1:  stimulated,
56:27  Speaker 1:  that gets going and says, Hey, body, let's make more natural HGH.
56:30  Speaker 1:  Okay? And then your body, it's
56:32  Speaker 1:  hence, peptides are just signaling molecules. So it signals the start of the chain, right? And then all these chain reactions occur,
56:40  Speaker 1:  and now your body
56:42  Speaker 1:  promotes and produces more of that full HGH spectrum. Okay?
56:47  Speaker 1:  HGH,
56:48  Speaker 1:  human growth hormone, the actual,
56:50  Speaker 1:  like, hormone,
56:52  Speaker 1:  when injected,
56:54  Speaker 1:  like, exogenously
56:56  Speaker 1:  is the end result. K? It's not it's bypassing all those steps and is just giving you the end result for your body to use. K?
57:04  Speaker 1:  Boost
57:05  Speaker 1:  metabolism,
57:06  Speaker 1:  boost growth.
57:08  Speaker 1:  To that. IGF-1LR
57:10  Speaker 1:  3 is the pure essentially,
57:14  Speaker 1:  like,
57:16  Speaker 1:  end product of the growth portion.
57:19  Speaker 1:  It's kind of like AOD, but the opposite. Right? Like AOD is just the fat burning part of the chain. Right? And the IGF-one is just the growth part of the chain. Trying to grow.
57:26  Speaker 1:  So it's just the end result. Now IGF-one
57:29  Speaker 1:  is more potent for muscle building 100%
57:32  Speaker 1:  than
57:33  Speaker 1:  either of those.
57:35  Speaker 1:  It also potentially comes with the most like side effects,
57:40  Speaker 1:  know, blunting insulin sensitivity,
57:43  Speaker 1:  hyperglycemic.
57:46  Speaker 1:  So you don't want to do this for long term.
57:49  Speaker 1:  So IGF-one short term, 6, 8 weeks. Yeah. Stop break.
57:53  Speaker 1:  Growth hormone secretagogues
57:55  Speaker 1:  shit do them. I mean, I would still do them for 90 days,
58:00  Speaker 1:  120 days, take a couple of week break and maybe do the different 1 and then just rotate that forever. Or if you're going to do HGH, do it and you just do it. You keep going. Both of them are just our long term really to get the max full spectrum benefit
58:15  Speaker 1:  long term like HGH. I'm telling you people like don't even expect it work to work for 6 months,
58:20  Speaker 1:  but 5 years down the road after very consistent use, you're going to look like you did when you started, right? Which is 5
58:29  Speaker 1:  years younger.
58:32  Speaker 1:  So long term IGF-one, just muscle building added in for short spurts when you know you're going to be trying to build muscle and you know you're willing to eat some good protein and hit it hard and then stop. Yep.
58:42  Speaker 1:  So for her, no.
58:44  Speaker 2:  For her,
58:45  Speaker 1:  Don't do that. Yep. I wouldn't do the IGF-one unless you're lifting. I would, and I don't know what was her age. I'm sorry. 44. Okay.
58:54  Speaker 1:  I'd still I would I understand the CJC Ipoh is really strong and it causes that water retention. Good for you for noticing.
59:00  Speaker 1:  Give the I would do the Tesofipa.
59:03  Speaker 1:  Give that a good 120 days
59:06  Speaker 1:  and maybe give that a break, do it again, and and see how that feels. You can start the HGH. I don't know. Maybe wait a little bit till you're a little bit older. It'll be more effective now. And I guess I'm just not I really aren't I'm really not that worried about side effects from HGH.
59:21  Speaker 1:  I got to just kind of tell you what,
59:22  Speaker 1:  you know, I'm really not that worried about it. At low dose. At low dose. Women, 1 IU day. Sit.
59:28  Speaker 1:  Do need? 7 days a week in the morning on an empty stomach.
59:32  Speaker 1:  It potentially you do that thing at night. You'll read up that,
59:36  Speaker 1:  you'll read on the internet oftentimes with doctor's offices saying,
59:40  Speaker 1:  Hey, we administer
59:41  Speaker 1:  HGH at nighttime.
59:45  Speaker 1:  And then people go, oh, well, I should do it at night. Well, here's the deal. The doctors are giving it to people who are like very low, critically low in HGH. At night when we're sleeping is our biggest pulse.
59:55  Speaker 1:  And so you're not making much of a pulse. So the doctors are replacing that, but
59:59  Speaker 1:  if you still have a healthy pulse at night, but then you give yourself age to age, your body will go, hey, look how much I got. Let's not make as big of a pulse. So I do it in the morning where you don't compete, let your body do a good job at night.
1:00:11  Speaker 1:  In the morning,
1:00:12  Speaker 1:  do it when your pulse
1:00:14  Speaker 1:  is not very good.
1:00:16  Speaker 1:  So it doesn't matter if it gets replaced.
1:00:18  Speaker 2:  Yeah. I think she just started what you say last week with the Reta and the Tesa. So I would just keep stick with that. You know, I see, I think a little bit goes a long way, especially you just started it, so give it a shot. I would just very simply add AOD. I've talked about it numerous times, just Tessa and AOD. The
1:00:35  Speaker 2:  experience that we speak of, I just have my wife on it numerous times and it just radically changes her body. So I would just stick with what you're doing. Don't add anything except for the AOD. You could add in some HGH later, but start there, go slow, see how you do and just keep it easy. Just do that.
1:00:52  Speaker 2:  Let's try more.
1:00:54  Speaker 2:  All
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1:01:45  Speaker 2:  And do cardio 4 to 6
1:01:47  Speaker 2:  days a week. I was on SSRIs
1:01:51  Speaker 2:  for about 7 months due to having severe anxiety
1:01:54  Speaker 2:  and depression. My mental health wasn't the best. I decided not to take any more due
1:02:01  Speaker 2:  to giving my brain due to giving me bad brain fogs,
1:02:06  Speaker 2:  which I couldn't cope with anymore. My testosterone was at
1:02:10  Speaker 2:  3 15 and pre testosterone was at 15.
1:02:15  Speaker 2:  I've just ordered Selank and Semax and just can't wait to try it. I think those would do well for you. I just wanted to know your best choice for boosting mental clarity
1:02:25  Speaker 2:  and permanent energy throughout the day. Own
1:02:29  Speaker 2:  my own business and work 6 to 7 days a week. I just didn't want to find an alternative peptides,
1:02:35  Speaker 2:  but I would love to hear from you guys. Thanks for keeping it up, keeping it real.
1:02:40  Speaker 2:  Cool. Keep killing it guys. I
1:02:42  Speaker 2:  think that's great. I've never been on SSRIs. I don't know much about that,
1:02:46  Speaker 2:  but I know a lot of people are. I love that you're off it. Know, I for
1:02:50  Speaker 1:  me,
1:02:51  Speaker 2:  I think abstinence
1:02:53  Speaker 2:  is always the best, but I do know some people need it. My wife needs a tiny, tiny bit and you've seen her on and off it. Trust me, she's better on a tiny, tiny bit. She does a tiny, tiny bit.
1:03:03  Speaker 2:  So,
1:03:04  Speaker 2:  you know, I have changed with my idea on that. So some people just need it. But dude, here's the thing, you're 28.
1:03:11  Speaker 2:  This is crazy.
1:03:13  Speaker 2:  But this is the epidemic going on into the world that we live in. You have 3 15 testosterone
1:03:19  Speaker 2:  and 15 free testosterone.
1:03:21  Speaker 2:  Dude, you must be tired. Yeah. Shit. Like, let's talk about the SSRIs and brain fog and all that stuff, which is probably the genesis of the problem is your testosterone.
1:03:31  Speaker 2:  You're not supposed to have 3 15 testosterone. You're not supposed to have 15 free testosterone.
1:03:37  Speaker 2:  That's not how God created us.
1:03:39  Speaker 2:  I think if you just fix that problem, even though you're 28, holy shit, whatever you need to be on testosterone, dude, the jury has come back and
1:03:47  Speaker 2:  that alone
1:03:48  Speaker 2:  will change a lot of your problems. Now, if you're anxiety
1:03:52  Speaker 2:  driven and depressed, I don't,
1:03:54  Speaker 2:  the Selank and the C Max will do good with that. That's Russians used it for that.
1:04:13  Speaker 2:  You're so young, you're able to do that. If you were 20 years older, you probably can do that at those levels,
1:04:18  Speaker 2:  but just changing your testosterone dude is going to change it. I would start there. You can still do Selank and the C Max, but start with just getting your testosterone,
1:04:28  Speaker 2:  dude. And then, then we can adapt from there.
1:04:31  Speaker 1:  Change your life. That will probably, I mean, you're, yeah, maybe you might be 28, but that was those scores just scream that you have to, you have to have it. Some people can put it off, but like you really should. And that will probably just solve all of these problems. Literally.
1:04:46  Speaker 1:  Also
1:04:47  Speaker 1:  though, there's some other Tesofensine
1:04:50  Speaker 1:  that we were talking about. Yep. Okay. I
1:04:53  Speaker 1:  have been on SSRIs
1:04:55  Speaker 1:  before.
1:04:56  Speaker 1:  Okay.
1:04:57  Speaker 1:  And it's a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. And basically serotonin
1:05:04  Speaker 1:  is our neurotransmitter that makes us
1:05:06  Speaker 1:  happy, but calm.
1:05:08  Speaker 1:  And I too had, I got on it like after I got a detox at 1 point.
1:05:13  Speaker 1:  I was like, I'm so depressed.
1:05:15  Speaker 1:  Duh. I've never been a depressed kid, you know? But like, hey, when you start doing drugs and then you stop them So and you're
1:05:23  Speaker 1:  I started taking it and I didn't take them for a while and then I was like, I'm so tired all the time. Like, so that's your brain fog. Also long term SSRI and drug use just will kill, will hurt your testosterone,
1:05:34  Speaker 1:  you know?
1:05:35  Speaker 2:  There you go. So
1:05:37  Speaker 1:  I feel you do get off of that. Now, I mean, I know and I don't wanna sound too hypocritical, but like Tesofensine, guess what? It's a triple. It's an SSRI.
1:05:45  Speaker 1:  It's a dopamine
1:05:46  Speaker 1:  reuptake inhibitor, which is what Wellbutrin is, and it's a norepinephrine
1:05:52  Speaker 1:  reuptake inhibitor,
1:05:54  Speaker 1:  but is like the best of all of those worlds and
1:05:58  Speaker 1:  actually made at different concentrations.
1:06:01  Speaker 1:  This stuff's cool,
1:06:02  Speaker 1:  man.
1:06:03  Speaker 1:  It's also but it is something that you don't want to just stop.
1:06:06  Speaker 1:  You wanna if you're gonna stop doing it, you probably should wean down a little bit from Tesofensine.
1:06:10  Speaker 1:  So if you start and you make a habit, just know that.
1:06:14  Speaker 1:  You may not need that at all, though. I would probably I would go with the testosterone 1st, See if that solves all your problems. Then, then go on. There's
1:06:22  Speaker 1:  another 1 coming out peptide Illuminero,
1:06:25  Speaker 1:  which is
1:06:26  Speaker 1:  going to be a whole new tropic blend.
1:06:29  Speaker 1:  I'm excited about that. We'll tell you when that stuff comes out. Okay.
1:06:34  Speaker 1:  And that's it, bro. Keep going, man. Keep going. Yeah. Get on the system a
1:06:39  Speaker 2:  month and then let us know how you feel, dude. Yeah.
1:06:42  Speaker 2:  I feel like super bad. Yeah.
1:06:44  Speaker 1:  For sure. Give it a month. Give it a month. Let us know if you got questions. Okay. Yep.
1:06:49  Speaker 1:  And yeah,
1:06:50  Speaker 1:  you have a lot of hope in the future.
1:06:54  Speaker 1:  Right. I'm up. Guys, love the podcast. I'm 26 years old weighing in at 70 kilos.
1:07:00  Speaker 1:  Very recently dialed in and fixed my diet training with the help of Retta.
1:07:06  Speaker 1:  Early January weighing in at 86 kilos. I'm now currently cycling on and off. Clo as I suffered years of inflammation from poor mobility,
1:07:14  Speaker 1:  which I struggle as I play rugby in the rugby league. Duh.
1:07:19  Speaker 1:  Since starting this journey, I'm now running pain free and playing well. I'm also stacking with Retatrut, Tesamorelin,
1:07:25  Speaker 1:  1 mega day, fasted before bed. I was wondering, is there anything I can take without having to branch into the steroid world to build my lean muscle,
1:07:36  Speaker 1:  to
1:07:37  Speaker 1:  build my lean muscle mass and, but still lose fat. Keep up the good world. Love to hear from you guys. A massive fan of from the land down under.
1:07:46  Speaker 1:  I'll see his baby.
1:07:49  Speaker 1:  Cool man. Rugby's rough sport. Good for you. You guys liked that stuff. 26.
1:07:53  Speaker 1:  Did you say he's 26 years old? Yep. Oh shit. All right. My
1:07:57  Speaker 1:  dad, my dad played rugby and my dad also,
1:08:01  Speaker 1:  he like pitched from the Oakland A's in the farm team and ran track and you dubbed. Was a little kid and he would teach me like, well, it's just 1 on 1, just rest like scrumming. We'd put the ball in the middle of us and just like,
1:08:10  Speaker 1:  know, push against each other. Then it's tough to play rugby 1 on 1 because you have to kick the ball to somebody else. But anyway, so we have a blast, but he said he played some some guys who were tough. And he was like, yeah, I'm not built for this. He's tall and skinny.
1:08:24  Speaker 1:  So
1:08:27  Speaker 1:  I think that what can you do to
1:08:30  Speaker 1:  SLU-3P, SLU-3P,
1:08:32  Speaker 1:  you're an athlete. You want some fat burning,
1:08:36  Speaker 1:  I mean, I can't believe that the rugby doesn't burn all the fat you need, but SLU-3P- what the cool thing here is like, it's going to boost your endurance. It's going to help nutrient partitioning. You're not going to like lose as much muscle when you're, because the food that you eat, your body's gonna, oh shit,
1:08:51  Speaker 1:  nutrients, vitamins, minerals,
1:08:54  Speaker 1:  muscle protein, let's go to the muscles.
1:08:57  Speaker 1:  And
1:08:58  Speaker 1:  it will boost your endurance and it will help burn fat.
1:09:01  Speaker 1:  And it's not a steroid. Carnerene getting a little closer to steroid y.
1:09:06  Speaker 1:  GW-five
1:09:07  Speaker 1:  0 1 5 1 6 is awesome. That will just boost the hell out of your endurance. Yep. And you'll be running circles around people,
1:09:16  Speaker 1:  and it will prioritize
1:09:18  Speaker 1:  fat,
1:09:19  Speaker 1:  before sugar. So it kinda puts you in the state of ketosis. So you're gonna burn some good belly fat with Cardrian, but you're also gonna kick ass on the field. Do you? And
1:09:28  Speaker 1:  yeah,
1:09:29  Speaker 1:  that's about based on what you're doing, bro. Like,
1:09:33  Speaker 1:  wouldn't do any more Retta because you're not gonna have enough energy to run around
1:09:38  Speaker 1:  because you're not gonna be eating enough food.
1:09:40  Speaker 1:  I would try 1 of those men and go,
1:09:44  Speaker 1:  try 1 of those.
1:09:46  Speaker 2:  Yeah, I think that's good, dude. I mean, there's many options. Sloop's great. You can use cart. Yeah,
1:09:52  Speaker 2:  I mean, got it. MK-677,
1:09:53  Speaker 2:  like I've said,
1:09:55  Speaker 2:  IGF-one,
1:09:56  Speaker 2:  obviously AOD.
1:09:57  Speaker 2:  These are just some that you can try nutrition,
1:10:00  Speaker 2:  nutrition, nutrition, diet, diet, diet, lift heavy,
1:10:03  Speaker 2:  eat a lot. You're young. You're obviously running a lot.
1:10:08  Speaker 2:  You can, you're 26, dude, so you can throw in a little bit of fasting like me and it'll go a long way for a 26 year old. If you could like 3 days a week, maybe just cut out breakfast and just eat from like 12 to 8 Monday, Wednesday, Friday,
1:10:21  Speaker 2:  you'll see a huge, huge, huge difference
1:10:24  Speaker 2:  for sure because you're 26. It'll work really well. So,
1:10:28  Speaker 2:  you know, as I said before, supplements
1:10:30  Speaker 2:  are great, but you know what, if you get back to the basics and just do some of the things that God gave us, which is nutrition,
1:10:36  Speaker 2:  lifting heavy shit and
1:10:38  Speaker 2:  fasting,
1:10:39  Speaker 1:  you're 26. It's going to work really well. I would say creatine also, that's a good over the counter, like good performance enhancer that's,
1:10:48  Speaker 1:  is, it really freaking works. And so people say, so here's gonna be the thing is people go, oh, well, creatine, like, makes you pull your muscles. Okay?
1:10:56  Speaker 1:  Okay. That can happen, but it's not because it makes your muscles weaker. Yeah. That's the general thought is it makes your muscles weaker or it starves them for water.
1:11:06  Speaker 1:  It actually kind of does the opposite. The problem here's why people pull muscles is because it literally
1:11:12  Speaker 1:  makes your muscles it's a it's a ATP. ATP is our cellular energy, right? This makes us do this really fast. You know you've burnt out your ATP when you feel your muscles burn.
1:11:22  Speaker 1:  So ATP for energy,
1:11:25  Speaker 1:  then it converts into ADP,
1:11:27  Speaker 1:  which is the lactic acid. And that muscles are burning like, shit, I just exhausted my ATP. Right? Well, creatine
1:11:34  Speaker 1:  tells it when it drops to ADP, pushes it back up to ATP. So your endurance is longer and you are stronger and you have better output
1:11:42  Speaker 1:  and for longer. So you give a person who has a muscle whose now muscle is working is stronger without
1:11:50  Speaker 1:  building any more extra infrastructure, right? It's just stronger and
1:11:54  Speaker 1:  can thinks it can go longer.
1:11:56  Speaker 1:  And now you're gonna put more stress onto it and it's not used to that, right? It's gonna contract harder.
1:12:01  Speaker 1:  And there is when we get muscle pulls, right? Because it's basically like working too well. It's
1:12:08  Speaker 1:  not strong enough to do what it's
1:12:10  Speaker 1:  meant, what it's mentally trying to do. And that's where we get some kind of muscle pulls. So
1:12:15  Speaker 1:  it's not crazy. It's not going to just, you're not going to flex in your, in your bicep tendons and just muscles going to snap off of your forearm.
1:12:22  Speaker 1:  So if you're taking creatine and running and being athletic, you know, just drink enough water and warm up
1:12:28  Speaker 1:  like a person should
1:12:29  Speaker 1:  and just take care of yourself and you should be just fine, but it really will help and will help keep muscle on and keep weight on you.
1:12:37  Speaker 1:  And B12, I don't know for you and the dude, the last question, just some like vitamin
1:12:42  Speaker 1:  B12 injections and thousand micrograms a week.
1:12:46  Speaker 1:  I don't know. That gives me that'll help some brain fog. That'll help some energy, etcetera. Hell yeah. I love beats. Okay. I'm up. I
1:12:53  Speaker 2:  think me just
1:12:55  Speaker 2:  discovered your podcast
1:12:56  Speaker 2:  and have really been enjoying it. I am trying to recover from a chronically
1:13:01  Speaker 2:  dislocated rib in my back at my T spine
1:13:05  Speaker 2:  that I had have ignored for too many years. Physical therapy is going well and my doctor gave me Wolverine stack to help recovery. Wow, good doctor.
1:13:14  Speaker 2:  But I live alone and have trouble reaching that spot in my back to try to inject locally near the injury. Is injecting my abdomen just wasting the BPC-one 157
1:13:25  Speaker 2:  or will it have some benefit?
1:13:27  Speaker 2:  Or do I need to try to figure out a way to get into that spot in my back no matter what?
1:13:33  Speaker 1:  I think you're good, man. It's not a waste of time. It's not a waste of time.
1:13:36  Speaker 1:  And I wish it's not a waste of time. I'd keep doing it. But if you can find a girlfriend who can inject you in the back, that's a little bit better. You know, we always say that that BPC is not going to help like structural
1:13:48  Speaker 1:  problems.
1:13:48  Speaker 1:  You know, it's not going to if you have a dislocated
1:13:52  Speaker 1:  rib, it's not going to put the thing back. But what it will do is once it's set back, right? How do things stay in socket? Well, have connecting tissues, right? They have ligaments and tendons that connect to them and hold them solid. So that's why whenever you dislocate anything, you get tons of swelling because you've torn all those ligaments and tendons, right? It's the only way that they got dislocated out of the joint.
1:14:14  Speaker 1:  So it's actually a very good idea.
1:14:17  Speaker 1:  If we can set it, we know it's set back in the right place, then fill that stuff up with BPC TB and to help rebuild all those connective tissues and that strength so it doesn't dislocate
1:14:28  Speaker 1:  again in the future. Smart doctor. Good job. Keep
1:14:31  Speaker 1:  doing it.
1:14:33  Speaker 1:  All right. Hey guys, love the podcast and the new community. So thankful for your knowledge on peptides. Finding reliable info on the internet can be challenging
1:14:41  Speaker 1:  And it's often conflicting anyway, 51 years old male currently on Retta 8 Migs a week. That's a lot. Does that say that? Yep. AOD 0.25
1:14:52  Speaker 1:  Migs daily AM facet GHKCU
1:14:55  Speaker 1:  1 Mig nightly and
1:14:57  Speaker 1:  Tessa 1 Megan Knightley. My question is when to start TRT and HGH. My goal is to lose more weight.
1:15:04  Speaker 1:  I started my journey at 2 50. I'm currently 2 15, 13. That's fucking awesome.
1:15:10  Speaker 1:  I'm trying to preserve muscle while losing weight.
1:15:15  Speaker 1:  Mainly making sure I get enormous, enormous. Yes. GH protein.
1:15:20  Speaker 1:  Should I start TRT and or GH now and when I get closer to my goal weight
1:15:24  Speaker 1:  undecided
1:15:26  Speaker 1:  where that is or what I want to look before I gain some lean muscle. Okay. Boom. How old are you? 51. 51. Start it now. Do it now.
1:15:37  Speaker 2:  Easy answer. It's going to help yesterday.
1:15:39  Speaker 1:  So like you've done a lot of really good work. Good for you. You know, you've lost a ton of weight and,
1:15:45  Speaker 1:  and
1:15:46  Speaker 1:  through that you've obviously guarantee you've built some habits and you've learned a lot about yourself, right? Nobody loses 60 pounds or whatever.
1:15:54  Speaker 1:  When not, not, not learning new habits, new ways of doing things and,
1:15:59  Speaker 1:  and, and yes, building, doing things consistently.
1:16:02  Speaker 1:  So
1:16:03  Speaker 1:  the worry that would be the 51 year old before you lost that weight is that
1:16:07  Speaker 1:  you're just going to keep up with those same bad habits that got you that heavy weight. And now you're doing tests and now your cholesterol is going to go up and now you're just going to gain a bunch of bad weight, right? And be lazy and horny and that's it.
1:16:20  Speaker 1:  But you've proven it. I think now's the time. And now you're probably starting to plateau. Okay. Because it just is what it is, right? That extra weight's easy to get off at the beginning. Then it becomes harder and harder. The test is not do nothing but like boost your metabolism.
1:16:34  Speaker 1:  And
1:16:35  Speaker 1:  how do we boost metabolism?
1:16:36  Speaker 1:  We add muscle so that fat and everything is going to just even come off even easier and faster. Plus your age is telling us you're ready. You need age. You to probably need it.
1:16:47  Speaker 1:  Do it now.
1:16:48  Speaker 2:  If you want to take a blood test to tell that, have that tell it to you. Go ahead. 0 Yeah. Whatever your goal weight is, you're down to 2 13 from 2 50. I mean, dude, you're doing a lot of rudder too. I would try to start to start to bring that back and just really focus on healthy
1:17:03  Speaker 2:  habits,
1:17:04  Speaker 2:  diet.
1:17:06  Speaker 2:  You're obviously sound like you're there.
1:17:08  Speaker 2:  You know, that's a lot of Reta, man. I think Reta goes a really long way. I'd pull that back a little bit and start to titrate
1:17:15  Speaker 2:  that back and
1:17:16  Speaker 2:  get on the TRT and HGH that will help you on the AOD.
1:17:21  Speaker 2:  You can replace it with other things if you want, like SLU-1MQ.
1:17:28  Speaker 2:  You can increase your AOD to probably 500 micrograms daily. Yeah, definitely an AOD. The AOD and I think we're running well together. But again, I
1:17:36  Speaker 2:  I think you can get away with a little bit less in my opinion.
1:17:40  Speaker 2:  This is gonna be a little bit cheaper for you. Why not? And watch what the TRT does for you, dude. And
1:17:46  Speaker 1:  wean down for Laredo. Wean down. Don't just stop. Don't just drop from 8 to 4, Right? Drop from 8 to 7.5
1:17:55  Speaker 1:  for like 2 weeks and then go maybe down to 7.
1:17:59  Speaker 1:  So just slow, be easy on yourself. You know, it's not, it is not killing you right now, but it's a good idea to do less, especially if you want to be able to eat enough to add some muscle. So,
1:18:10  Speaker 1:  but,
1:18:11  Speaker 1:  and yeah, that's it dude. That's it. Good stuff, man. These are good. These are good, good educated questions. I guess what I do like is like most people nowadays
1:18:20  Speaker 1:  who are sending, tell us what they're doing. Like
1:18:23  Speaker 1:  it's all
1:18:25  Speaker 1:  actually smart. Like the dosing wise, like, okay, cool. Like even, even AM, PM, blah, blah, blah.
1:18:31  Speaker 1:  It's all good. We're not like, oof, boy, we're missing the mark on everything on this question. When did we start doing the Q and A?
1:18:39  Speaker 2:  How
1:18:40  Speaker 2:  long have we been doing the Q and A? 6 months, dude? Has it been 6 months? I don't know. It's actually, I think the biggest hit. People like the Q and A, so it's great, man. The questions are getting amazing. Everybody's listening. Everybody's growing. People are getting good at peptides. So man, it's been awesome.
1:18:53  Speaker 2:  We got the peptide of the week. We will probably record it on Friday.
1:18:59  Speaker 2:  We got Paul back TR coming next Tuesday.
1:19:02  Speaker 2:  That's
1:19:03  Speaker 2:  generally when we record the Q and A we'll probably do Q and A Monday
1:19:07  Speaker 2:  on Tuesday, just kind of what's going on with the markets, blah, blah, blah. We'll let them know on what we want to do. Maybe we'll do Tesofensine again on Friday. Shit that 1 didn't get through. Maybe that's something we could do. We'll think about it, but, join school, get enjoyed, hear them in the community. People are just getting so much information and trust us
1:19:25  Speaker 2:  in the next 6 months. It's going to be leaps and bounds. You're going to be loving it. We're going to have so much rad content on there.
1:19:32  Speaker 2:  Obviously, it's controlled a little bit, but it's controlled mainly by us.
1:19:36  Speaker 2:  And we had some cool stuff on there. Will and I even threw out a steroid cycle that we have a cutter and a bulker because we can, you know, some people do that stuff and they wanted to know, so we did it. That can only be on those platforms. And we'll put a lot of that type of content on there. If you don't like that stuff, don't watch that stuff. But if you do, then you have that stuff. We're trying to really like, we love all this stuff. Know, we loved studying it and, and, you know, we've done that stuff when we, in our youth and we know about it. So it's just fun
1:20:06  Speaker 1:  to, I don't know, I say, this is really fun to like this
1:20:09  Speaker 1:  push. Let's just like see what your, what my genetic potential is. You
1:20:14  Speaker 2:  know,
1:20:15  Speaker 1:  God gave me all that we give us this cool ass thing to like the functions and we know how to make it function
1:20:22  Speaker 1:  just way better.
1:20:24  Speaker 1:  Just be careful at what risk, at what cost,
1:20:27  Speaker 1:  but Yeah, it's
1:20:29  Speaker 2:  we love it. So
1:20:31  Speaker 2:  awesome. We appreciate you. We will catch you on the next round. Good night. Cares.