Peptide Q&A #27 – RETA Plateaus, HGH Dosing, Endurance Peptides & Blend vs Stack Debate
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0:24  Speaker 1:  Welcome back to the peptide of the week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham, and my buddy, my partner is across the way with T. Hoss.
0:34  Speaker 2:  What's up, everybody? What up, dude? Dapper in your black and white. You just look good today. Well, thank thank you. How's your head? Head's good, man. Yeah. I was looking at today when we were I talking was out riding a bike, going to golf cart this weekend. It was sunny. It was like 80 degrees this weekend. Purchase. I know what in the Downtown,
0:49  Speaker 2:  it was just like, it's wintertime. I know. Mid January, we live in a beautiful place. People at the beach. Yeah.
0:56  Speaker 2:  It was packed. But yeah, we went out for a couple
1:00  Speaker 2:  bike rides
1:02  Speaker 2:  with the family. And,
1:04  Speaker 2:  know, like we brought up the bikes for the winter because they've been kind of stored for 2 months of winter and realized,
1:10  Speaker 2:  well, let's see. I drove we drove 1 of the bikes a block away and then the
1:15  Speaker 2:  power shut off. So, alright,
1:17  Speaker 2:  that's broke. Let's take it back. Yeah. We
1:20  Speaker 2:  broke my garage door with the golf cart.
1:24  Speaker 2:  Didn't run it into it. Just didn't realize that if you park the golf cart sideways, the little thing that moves,
1:29  Speaker 2:  hit
1:30  Speaker 2:  catches on the golf cart ceiling,
1:32  Speaker 2:  and then just
1:33  Speaker 2:  tore the whole machine off. Oh, beautiful. So I had to buy a whole brand new setup,
1:39  Speaker 2:  which is better now, but, like, still, I don't know.
1:42  Speaker 2:  So it was a blessing in disguise. It was a blessing in disguise. And then, yeah. So there's a lot of, like
1:48  Speaker 2:  yes. My whole garage has got, like,
1:51  Speaker 2:  wrenches
1:52  Speaker 2:  and different screws, like, all over the place.
1:56  Speaker 2:  So I was playing mechanic this weekend. Pretty typical. Pretty kind of typical. Yeah. I always have
2:02  Speaker 1:  stuff that I'm breaking and fixing or that's broken and I'm fixing. I end up getting too many like toys that I really want to make, that I wanna make work. So people at home, this is a this is kind of a funny story. So Will and I through the warehouse have video cameras, and we both have access to them. And sometimes
2:17  Speaker 1:  Will likes to be left alone, and Will likes to do his things. And I've learned that about him through the years, especially working with the Blast Deer on a daily basis. And so I stay out of his way. I'm not that helpful when it comes to that stuff anyway. So he likes to just come in and do some busy work, but I'll watch you just do the word-5-1T.
2:34  Speaker 2:  See me coming in like 10PM. Yeah, you just do your thing by myself.
2:38  Speaker 2:  And I also like to mix up. If I'm at the computer too long,
2:41  Speaker 2:  ugh, I need- You build something? Yes, I'd rather, I need to get up and go move some furniture, do something physical. Yeah. Because it dry, I mean, you know, productivity starts to just
2:51  Speaker 2:  skyrocket. But if I do something physical, I'm much better. Do that, man.
2:56  Speaker 1:  Your hair looks good. I would like to What
2:59  Speaker 1:  do you think? I was telling Will,
3:01  Speaker 1:  everybody, you can leave us some comments. I'm curious. I think he looks good with a shaved head. I think that I had a shaved head for most probably 20 years. Did you meet me with a shaved head? Yes. I think that I had a shaved head forever. I finally grew it out, but
3:13  Speaker 2:  I think you look good, bro. I would leave it. It's easy. I went to a funeral on Friday to, for a friend of ours, unfortunately.
3:23  Speaker 2:  So I had to dress up right in no hat.
3:27  Speaker 2:  I had 2 different people who were like, oh, I was like, yeah, shaved my I shaved my head. I got this hair transplant. And they're like, oh, really? I wouldn't even notice. Like, you look like you were made for a shaved head.
3:37  Speaker 2:  Some people just heat up, man. I've seen some people that their heads just destroyed after that day. That's Yeah. Well, apparently, so the the hair is supposed to be falling out now. And then then it will finally regrow. But maybe
3:50  Speaker 2:  because I'm taking
3:51  Speaker 2:  peptides
3:52  Speaker 2:  Oh, maybe. It's growing faster and just not falling out. That GHK ECU, baby. It works. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's awesome. So I should give a shout out to my,
4:03  Speaker 2:  Yeah. To the doctor's
4:05  Speaker 2:  office,
4:06  Speaker 2:  but let me make sure I get the name right. Yeah. That's probably 1st before the shout out. But I will say I was at the gym this morning, so I go to Equinox in Huntington and a different gym, but, I know that you like quotes. I do. So you're a big, like, motivational quote person and I am kind of too. There's a couple heard somebody say this in the gym this morning, which is very basic and probably everybody else is gonna be like, duh. But he's, he was talking about work, he's like, well, I'd rather just I'd rather be tired than broke.
4:34  Speaker 2:  Mic drop. Right? Like, there's a I don't know. I've never heard of it. Maybe everybody else has. I like it. But I like the other 1 that says friends
4:41  Speaker 1:  Friends don't ask you for discounts. Right? Friends pay full price and leave you a review. That's Oxford Mosse. Yeah. I love Oxford Mosse. I remember when I read that, I was like, dude, I love Oxford Mosse.
4:51  Speaker 2:  Yeah. And that's legitimate. So we ought to all remember that to your friends.
4:57  Speaker 2:  I love that, bro. Right? Not not just me, like all of our friends. Right? Like, I don't ask until you get burnt. Right? I had a friend who had cancer, and so he did did a hit,
5:05  Speaker 2:  he had a car detailing business. I was like, bro, I'll pay you. I go, don't I don't even want a discount, dude. I know you're hurting.
5:12  Speaker 2:  Just charge me whatever the full price is, and you charge me $850.
5:17  Speaker 1:  For what? Detail? Detailing of your car? Yeah.
5:20  Speaker 2:  So there's those situations 9 cars. Yeah. There's situations where your friends
5:26  Speaker 2:  will take advantage of you,
5:28  Speaker 2:  unfortunately.
5:29  Speaker 2:  So maybe those aren't really They'll comment. They'll comment. They'll comment on that 1. But I do try to, like, I don't know. I'd rather give money to somebody I know. Oh god. Same thing like if I had a sister. I'd probably rather my friend who I like marry her than some random ass person. Right? People get all butt hurt that their friend is maybe dating their sister, but I mean, I guess I'd rather have the person who I know and I like be good to my sister. It's always perspective.
5:53  Speaker 2:  You look good. So there's that.
5:55  Speaker 2:  Give me a sec. I'll go back to the hair.
5:57  Speaker 1:  I'll give the shout out here in a little bit. Yeah. I love it as you're doing that. I mean, going off of what you said, what made me think about that was, my, my son-in-law, which was great. You know, they, he, is in the union and, know, he was rained out, wasn't working much. I had no idea. You know, I don't know what's going on in their life exactly. But,
6:12  Speaker 1:  you know, he reached out and instead of asking for money, he asked if he could work. Yeah, that's great. I respected it, you know, because he came here at work. It was cool. I'm like, bro, that was like rare.
6:22  Speaker 1:  You just got up a couple notches if you're listening to this, Randy.
6:24  Speaker 1:  Good job, He worked and he worked well and like, then he left. Yeah. He didn't ask for anything. He just worked. So get on you, man. So- That's the way- Young guys, you, are listening, do that. Do that.
6:36  Speaker 2:  Always offer. You know what? I mean, and oftentimes, like,
6:40  Speaker 2:  just always offer. Like my,
6:43  Speaker 2:  River, my son-in-law, who I live with and I
6:47  Speaker 2:  love and he's a rambunctious kid.
6:51  Speaker 2:  He we went apparently, so this weekend the sun came out. Right? And now
6:54  Speaker 2:  apparently we live in a neighborhood that has tons of kids and they're awesome. So we had like kids riding a bike. I was like, Trevor, get out there and go ride your bike. So he did 2 down houses down. These guys have this giant
7:07  Speaker 2:  blow up
7:08  Speaker 2:  of TV screen.
7:11  Speaker 2:  Outside. Bigger than my than my arm stretch outside that they blow up in front of their house. Cool. And they ring a popcorn machine out at nighttime and, like, watch movies or sporting events and all the kids in the neighborhood can ride by. And anyway, so he's running to the house chasing,
7:24  Speaker 2:  with the kids, and he
7:26  Speaker 2:  ran right through their screen door.
7:29  Speaker 2:  Do you have screen force? It's what I would do. Yeah. I know. I mean, my dogs don't he'd ruin every single string screen door in my house.
7:36  Speaker 2:  It it is what it is, but, I was like, hey, Ali, like, let's make sure that we say we're gonna pay for the screen door. Right? Tell them we'll pay for Chances are with things like that, like, you know, chances are most people are gonna make, don't even worry about it, but, like, you need to just offer and be ready to Always. Pay for it. Do that, bro. So Let's bring that type of lifestyle back. Gosh. Offer. Jeez. Just offer every time. No matter what.
7:58  Speaker 2:  It's a good back. 90% of the time, they're gonna say, no, it's cool. Right. But if you offer, you better do it. Yeah. Shoot. Anyway,
8:06  Speaker 1:  white Well, today's q and a. Today's q and a. We say it all the time. We love this. We get a touch a little bit more touch of who you guys are and what you're what you got going. The questions are pretty to the degree base. We ran through them separately,
8:18  Speaker 1:  we didn't do it. We are doing that, that like that. I think that we enjoyed it more. I hope that you enjoyed it more, but we did. So we're going to do it that way. We don't share answers.
8:27  Speaker 1:  We do them 3 organically separately and we might have some of same, which we will.
8:33  Speaker 2:  It's good. People get different differences of opinion and different explanations as to why, you know?
8:39  Speaker 1:  Yeah, it was fun. So it was cool. So I, as always, I think you do the honors, man. I think that's kinda how we start with you doing the 1st 1. That's rough. Alright. Here we go. Hi. I have a question for your podcast, and I'm not sure this is the way I'm supposed to reach you. That
8:54  Speaker 2:  seems to be we will talk to our guy to make it more clear. Alright. Because you're not the 1st person to ask that.
9:00  Speaker 2:  I hope this message is not bothering you. I Never. I am a fan of your podcast and learned so much, thanks to you guys. I've been on tirzepatide for almost 4 months, lost 28 pounds
9:11  Speaker 2:  at the starting dose of 0.25
9:15  Speaker 2:  mls, which is probably correct actually also, but basically 2.5 mg.
9:20  Speaker 2:  I'm
9:21  Speaker 2:  now 122
9:22  Speaker 2:  and I'm five'six.
9:24  Speaker 2:  K? I eat a pretty I'm assuming this 1. I eat a pretty healthy,
9:28  Speaker 2:  balanced diet. And although I hit the gym
9:31  Speaker 2:  although I don't hit the gym, I have an outdoor physical job that keeps me moving all day. Someday I will have time for the gym when kids are older. I wanna lose another 4 pounds of fat, and I'm stalled. Should I change to Retta or add switch to AOD, Tesamorelin, BAM 15,
9:48  Speaker 2:  or which ones do you recommend? Also, should I cycle them and for how long? I'd like to get off Drzepatide sometime in the next 3 months tops to make sure I don't develop any resistance to it.
9:59  Speaker 2:  Can you also talk about which ones are more costly
10:03  Speaker 2:  versus more affordable? I can only probably afford 1 to 2 peptides at this time. Thank you again so much for all of the research and expertise you provide. Okay,
10:13  Speaker 2:  yeah, sure. I have some answers for you. So, again, as always, like, here's what I would do. Okay. I'm not really I don't really wanna give advice. We're not doctors.
10:23  Speaker 2:  But here's what I would do is,
10:27  Speaker 2:  I would so you need to so a, you're telling us that don't tell you to just go start lifting weights. Okay? Because the okay. So we won't bother saying that. But cool. You have a physical job, and,
10:38  Speaker 2:  you're stalled. You did an awesome job, but you're stalled at the I would I would switch to Retta. 100 yes. Yes. I would.
10:45  Speaker 2:  Also, just realize we do build a tolerance. K?
10:49  Speaker 2:  We do build a tolerance to these things. So you've been on it for 4 months. Like, this dose is not doing the same thing as it used to when you started.
10:56  Speaker 2:  Also, though, why I think you are stalled
10:59  Speaker 2:  is because you have lost weight, but unfortunately, you've probably lost some muscle also. Fat,
11:05  Speaker 2:  maybe mostly fat, but like a little bit of muscle. Okay? Remember, every pound of muscle we burn off, we lose, our metabolism slows down by about 50 calories a day.
11:14  Speaker 2:  Alright?
11:15  Speaker 2:  So
11:16  Speaker 2:  over at
11:17  Speaker 2:  multiply, you know, you lost 3 pounds of muscle. It's just, for example, right, there's a 150 calories a day.
11:24  Speaker 2:  You know, that adds up. K? If I was better at math, I would tell you, but 150 calories a day times times 7 days is 700.
11:34  Speaker 2:  It's about 1000 calories a
11:36  Speaker 2:  week that now we have lost.
11:38  Speaker 2:  And that makes that last little bit of fat harder and harder to get off you if we have less muscle because it lowers your basal metabolic rate. Okay?
11:47  Speaker 2:  So eat more protein. I know you're not gonna go to the gym because I would say, Hey, hit the gym, lift some weights, gain some of that muscle back, but Retta will help with this.
11:56  Speaker 2:  If you switch to Retta, start at the same dose, but feel free to bump up a little bit. Okay? Maybe to, you know, to start at 2.5 makes for a week and or 2. And then if you feel like bumping up to, like,
12:08  Speaker 2:  3.5 or or
12:10  Speaker 2:  3.5,
12:10  Speaker 2:  maybe up to 5 Migs a week. I don't think you need to go that high immediately. For sure not.
12:16  Speaker 2:  But try that. That will give you a little bit more of an appetite. Okay? But make sure that when you do eat, now we're eating only protein. So so it goes to muscle, you sure don't lose any more muscle, but you might add some muscle, especially with your active job and and throwing the kids around.
12:31  Speaker 2:  So there's that. And then hell, yeah, I would add AOD.
12:35  Speaker 2:  If you're talking about 2 of them,
12:37  Speaker 2:  I would say switch to Reta and start AOD.
12:40  Speaker 2:  Run that. Run AOD for a good, like, 12 weeks,
12:44  Speaker 2:  3 months,
12:46  Speaker 2:  and then switch
12:49  Speaker 2:  to Tesamorelin
12:50  Speaker 2:  or BAM 15. Right? Try them each.
12:53  Speaker 2:  Does that make sense? Costly affordable
12:55  Speaker 2:  AOD, Tesla, BAM,
12:57  Speaker 2:  are all about the same price.
12:59  Speaker 2:  So there's no,
13:01  Speaker 2:  there's no real big difference on those guys.
13:04  Speaker 2:  Yeah.
13:06  Speaker 1:  I think that's it. That was good. Yeah. Yeah,
13:09  Speaker 1:  I think that was great. So I would say
13:13  Speaker 1:  here's 1 thing that I've been doing. So I am a very
13:17  Speaker 1:  routine
13:18  Speaker 1:  human
13:19  Speaker 1:  OCD,
13:20  Speaker 1:  if you will. I like to do things the same exact way, and that's just the way I roll. Now, 1 of the things that I do, I wake up at 4, I go downstairs, I hit coffee and I'm generally sitting on my chair for a good 10 minutes as a coffee's making, then I have 0.5 of a cup, blah, blah, Then I get into readings, blah, blah. 1 of the things that I have changed
13:38  Speaker 1:  in the last 2 weeks is as I go and hit coffee, I go into my office and I do 200 sit ups. 1st thing that I do. So I get right to doing sit ups. It wakes me up more. I get the sit ups in because I at the gym, I don't really have to do
13:53  Speaker 1:  abs if I don't want to, because sometimes I got to get out of there. And so I knocked the abs out right away. He wakes me up. So the reason I'm telling you this is do something like that. You don't have to hit the gym,
14:05  Speaker 1:  but you definitely want to do some exercise. I get that your job is that, but
14:10  Speaker 1:  don't ever
14:12  Speaker 1:  like,
14:13  Speaker 1:  sit ups and push ups are, like, amazing. Body weight squats. It's a bet. Yeah. Body weight squats,
14:19  Speaker 1:  push ups, sit ups. You could crack that out in 15 minutes and go so far with just body weight stuff. So I'm gonna recommend that,
14:26  Speaker 1:  for sure. Throw that in there. We already picked up the tab on this. Obviously, we're gonna say go to Retta, especially if you feel like you've been losing some muscle. The Retta, you're not gonna have to deal with that as much.
14:38  Speaker 1:  AOD is gonna be great. I wouldn't really switch off the Retta. I would stay on it for a bit and then add in the AOD.
14:45  Speaker 1:  And I mean, he's already said it. I don't want to be completely redundant. Then you can add in the Tesamorelin and it's all affordability, right?
14:51  Speaker 1:  Retta, AOD 1st and foremost.
14:55  Speaker 1:  And then if you can do the Tesamorelin at night, it helps with sleep and it will just burn that bottom belly fat. But
15:02  Speaker 1:  we'll answer that. My only difference is going to be throwing some
15:06  Speaker 1:  weights, throwing some exercise. You don't have weights. I mean, get some curls, 25 year curls. I mean, those are cheap and you can use so much. You can do triceps. You can do back.
15:15  Speaker 1:  Can get it done. 15 minute workout every
15:19  Speaker 2:  day. We'll do a lot. So throw that in. And what do you say too? Like, Hey, 1st thing in the morning, this is what we call kind of fasted cardio. Right? Well, if anybody's ever heard of that, why that makes sense is,
15:30  Speaker 2:  well, we're fasted. We didn't eat anything. If you have any sugar carbs on board, right, in your system and you go work out, your body will not burn fat until those
15:39  Speaker 2:  that sugar and carbs have been burnt off. K? It's fueling you to have a great workout. Cool. More energy, but exercise 1st thing in the morning. Your body goes, okay. Where's the carbs? None. Okay. I'll burn fat. Right? I'll burn fat. Yes. So that is 1 benefit to 1st thing in the morning. Plus it just boosts your metabolism all day long, and it makes you feel better. 15 minutes. Wakes you up. Last 15 minutes. Absolutely nothing.
16:03  Speaker 2:  And frankly, body weight squats, dude, like, I do probably more for my legs nowadays.
16:09  Speaker 2:  I do more body weight squats than anything. Yeah. Herschel Walker was famous. Mike Tyson never put weights on their back at all. Those dude's legs are this big around. And I know that's not your goal, but the point is that- Throw it in there. They still work and get you worked out. You know, it's funny, so side note. So 1 of the things when I 1st started my fitness thing, I was doing a lot of HIIT training and videos like that, you remember?
16:30  Speaker 1:  And so I would do recordings and I wouldn't like rehearse them obviously. So I did a 1 where I wanted to switch it up from hit and do body weight, pushups, body weight, squats, and sit ups. I'm like, we're going to do 300 of each, hundred, hundred, hundred, then 100, So 100, I did 300 and I thought it was gonna be easy. I, it
16:49  Speaker 1:  wasn't. And
16:50  Speaker 1:  it was a lot harder and I couldn't like, I had to like get the video done, which I did, but it was rough, dude.
16:58  Speaker 2:  Goes a long way. So Body weight goes a long way, dude. I mean, not a 100, but I think on these days where I'm like, I don't have that much time. Everything is kind of sore. Right? You don't really wanna work out a sore muscle because you just the whole point working a muscle out is you beat it down, you tear it down, then you just let it grow back. Right? If we're just
17:14  Speaker 2:  continuing to go in and work a sore muscle out,
17:17  Speaker 2:  you're defeating the purpose of really working it. Right? Tear down, let it eat protein, let it build. Yep. Right? But
17:23  Speaker 2:  so the days I try not to like hit any muscle hard, so I'll do a variation of that and do 10 body weight squats,
17:30  Speaker 2:  10 pushups. Yep. And then either like 10 crunches or
17:34  Speaker 2:  10 pull ups gets to be a bit,
17:36  Speaker 2:  tough, but even, I don't know if I have TRx bands or whatever, but I go 3 exercises, go 10, 10, 10, and then repeat 10 times. That's great. 10 rounds of that. Yeah. And don't try not to break. Right? You just try to just take great workout.
17:50  Speaker 2:  It's a badass workout.
17:52  Speaker 2:  Pull ups, sit ups, push ups, body squats. Squats. All you need, dude. It really is. People get ripped up in prison cells. I would be. I'm
18:01  Speaker 1:  gonna make do here. All I'm doing. There you go. Okay.
18:04  Speaker 1:  Alright, I'm a great informative podcast.
18:07  Speaker 1:  New to peptides,
18:08  Speaker 1:  60 year old male. I'm coming off of 5 months of Sermorelin,
18:13  Speaker 1:  30 days,
18:15  Speaker 1:  1.25
18:16  Speaker 1:  pin per day. Did I say that right? I don't know. Came off weird.
18:20  Speaker 2:  1.25
18:22  Speaker 1:  pin per day. Then every other day for 120 days.
18:26  Speaker 1:  TRT is 180 mg per week for the last 1.5
18:31  Speaker 1:  years. Feeling really good. Awesome. My focus is to reduce the body fat
18:37  Speaker 1:  from 30% to 20%.
18:40  Speaker 1:  Hit the gym a minimum 3 days a week with push pull leg workout format at the purple, at the purple gym. That's funny. I know what you mean. That's funny. Right. Thought that.
18:51  Speaker 1:  Cardio,
18:53  Speaker 1:  have not done much of,
18:55  Speaker 1:  do not focus on the scale would taking Retatrutide
18:59  Speaker 1:  for 2 to 3 months,
19:01  Speaker 1:  then going to CJC Ipamorelin
19:03  Speaker 1:  be a good plan of attack to get the fat burned off. I do not want to lose muscle, just the fat. During the club diet is 75%
19:12  Speaker 1:  roughly clean. I love when people say that. I shoot for 2 40 mg
19:17  Speaker 1:  of protein
19:19  Speaker 1:  per day
19:20  Speaker 1:  at about 2,300
19:22  Speaker 1:  to 2,400 calories a day. I do not smoke or drink alcohol.
19:27  Speaker 1:  Desk job. So sedentary job, 6,000
19:31  Speaker 1:  to 9,000 steps a day. Thoughts, suggestion,
19:34  Speaker 1:  budget friendly. Thank you.
19:38  Speaker 2:  I'm gonna do that. Wanna do it up? Then I'll go ahead.
19:42  Speaker 1:  So,
19:43  Speaker 1:  let me see if I can scale what you're taking. So would Retta work? Of course.
19:47  Speaker 1:  There's nothing better. Mean, we
19:50  Speaker 1:  say it so often, but like it's really true. There's very few people that it wouldn't before.
19:55  Speaker 1:  And I'll say it again because I don't know when, what you've heard and what you haven't, but in my opinion is only going to Retatrutide is only going to be for not going to be for somebody tiny like my wife because she's too small and she would wither away. It really does have a place for most people
20:11  Speaker 1:  regardless of what they're looking for. And the only difference is going to be Push your limits, train with precision,
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20:30  Speaker 1:  How much you take? So
20:33  Speaker 1:  Retatrutide
20:34  Speaker 1:  is and the dosage is the key. If you're trying to lose weight, you're gonna take more. If you're trying to just be more lean, if you're already lean, you take a tiny bit. Tiny bit goes a long way.
20:44  Speaker 1:  So yes, to answer your question, 2 to 3 months of Retatrutide
20:47  Speaker 1:  would be amazing.
20:50  Speaker 1:  When you say,
20:51  Speaker 1:  75%
20:52  Speaker 1:  roughly clean,
20:54  Speaker 1:  it's always very vague to me because clean, what is clean? I I've, I've, done a fitness thing for a long time. And like when I would ask, when they would say clean and I would ask what clean means, it wouldn't really be clean. And I'm not challenging you. I'm just saying maybe elaborate a little bit more on the clean eating
21:10  Speaker 1:  because that's
21:11  Speaker 1:  a lot. So yeah, I think if you added some Retta, I think, you know, I'm a fasting guy. I talk about it a lot. If you just add in some fasting and just make some changes when it comes to that, the fasting goes a long way. Retrutide,
21:23  Speaker 1:  you can get along with it just by the Retrutide.
21:25  Speaker 1:  Now, going to CJC Ipamorelin after,
21:30  Speaker 1:  can think of some other things that would do better. AOD,
21:32  Speaker 1:  SLU-332,
21:35  Speaker 1:  SLU-PP-332.
21:37  Speaker 1:  I think those are a little better. I think Will knows this. I'm not the biggest fan of CJC
21:42  Speaker 1:  just from what I've read. And then I finally, for the 1st time, took it recently and just didn't like it. It really kind of like coincided with things that I read. I stopped it fairly quickly.
21:52  Speaker 1:  Huge fan of the secretagogues,
21:53  Speaker 1:  not the biggest fan of CJC. I would say Tesamorelin, if you're going to add that in Tesamorelin
21:57  Speaker 1:  is, is FDA approved to burn belly fat. That's going to do better for you.
22:03  Speaker 1:  So yeah, that's it. Focus on your diet. 75%
22:07  Speaker 1:  roughly clean. I would dig into what that means
22:10  Speaker 1:  and get it to be a lot more clean because diet is the key of everything.
22:16  Speaker 1:  Hormones, you got those in line.
22:20  Speaker 1:  Did I answer all these questions?
22:22  Speaker 2:  Kinda sorta not really? 0 Yeah. Yeah. No, that was good. Yeah. That's fine. Okay, cool. All right. Here is what stands out to me.
22:30  Speaker 2:  1st question being,
22:33  Speaker 2:  would taking Reta 2 to 3 months then going to CJC Ipah because you don't wanna lose muscle. So here's the deal. Like when you're on Reta, any of these GLP-1s,
22:42  Speaker 2:  you are at now, Retta's pretty damn good. It actually tries to protect your muscle,
22:48  Speaker 2:  but I can't say it's 100% foolproof of not going catabolic, which is having
22:53  Speaker 2:  your body use your muscle for energy, therefore losing muscle. But on the secreted drugs,
23:00  Speaker 2:  that's 1 of the biggest things about your growth hormone being elevated is like you will not lose any muscle. I don't care what kind of, you know, you can just run yourself to death every day. If your HGH is high, it's crazy how
23:12  Speaker 2:  you're not gonna lose much muscle at all. So my suggestion would be to be on a secretagogue while doing Retta. Right. K?
23:21  Speaker 2:  The secretagogue,
23:23  Speaker 2:  hey, the CJC Ipoh or Tesa Ipoh for sure do both. You do do 1 or the other. K?
23:29  Speaker 2:  Sir okay. Maybe I'll get back to Sermorelin, but I just think that, again, GHRH,
23:34  Speaker 2:  GHRP
23:35  Speaker 2:  in conjunction with each other, it's gonna be much more effective. There's gonna a synergistic effect. Okay? Yeah.
23:41  Speaker 2:  When the product of the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts, okay, they will do a lot more than just 1 plus 1. Right? Together is gonna give you more.
23:52  Speaker 2:  But,
23:53  Speaker 2:  hey, like you
23:55  Speaker 2:  as far as the burning fat part of the CJC IpA, it's like, man, does that, like, a personal
24:01  Speaker 2:  sometimes it burns a lot of fat on certain people and, like, sometimes people don't really notice what it's doing. Really what it's gonna tell you is like how low your natural growth is. So as you get older though, and I believe said 60, so like now is it. Bet that stuff will work very well for you. I bet it worked really, really well for you.
24:18  Speaker 2:  I don't I don't think the secret I don't think anybody
24:21  Speaker 2:  under 30,
24:23  Speaker 2:  40 should be will really notice much from a secreted gun,
24:26  Speaker 2:  unless you're a woman.
24:28  Speaker 2:  That'll help help you gain some muscle. But so I would do them at the same time, and you just gotta try. You just gotta go, hey, man. I'm gonna do the CJC up at 1st. Great. Do it. Run it at least 3, I'd say 3, 4 months. Okay? Then make a decision.
24:43  Speaker 2:  But but I would say then switch to Tesamorelin.
24:46  Speaker 2:  And I don't know the 3rd the Sermorelin 30 days,
24:49  Speaker 2:  1 time a day of 0.25 pin per day. Then every other day for a 120, do that. All of these secreted dogs need to be done every day. There is no such thing as a loading phase. Like the loading
25:03  Speaker 2:  phase, if that's what you were trying to say,
25:05  Speaker 2:  that you
25:07  Speaker 2:  do these every day because that's how long they last in you. Right?
25:10  Speaker 2:  They don't build up in you. So just every day. And there's and don't do 5 days on, 2 days off. Only reason you wanna do that is to save money, but it it will be less effective.
25:19  Speaker 2:  Agreed. A lot of people say that though. It is what it is. That's like an old thing from bodybuilders and growth. Like, oh, 5 days on, 2 days off. It's just because it was expensive, so there was a strategy to save money, but it's going to be,
25:29  Speaker 2:  it's way more effective just every day. Okay.
25:32  Speaker 2:  Then,
25:34  Speaker 2:  Hey dude, I don't know. I liked the 2 40 g, but it seems to me that anybody,
25:39  Speaker 2:  if you're eating enough protein,
25:41  Speaker 2:  that's
25:43  Speaker 2:  a lot. That's hard to do. So if you're actually doing that, chances are you're
25:47  Speaker 2:  getting enough fat because usually fat comes in with protein,
25:51  Speaker 2:  assuming you're not on like a ketogenic or carnivore diet. Right? But you're probably getting enough fat, and you're probably not eating a whole bunch of carbs.
25:59  Speaker 2:  So you better be Okay. So I just I don't know. It just if I'm if I'm hitting my protein, like, I'm doing really good.
26:06  Speaker 2:  All the other stuff just falls in line just as a general
26:09  Speaker 2:  barometer.
26:11  Speaker 2:  You know? And you're getting 96 you're getting 960 calories a day from 240 grams. So how are we feeling the rest of those calories? Right? Let's
26:20  Speaker 2:  you know, they're gonna be from sugar or, from carbs or fat, but just make sure that those are about even maybe macros is another conversation.
26:29  Speaker 2:  Yeah. Steps,
26:30  Speaker 2:  I think that when people tell me, and no offense to you, but like when people tell me how many steps they get, it's equivalent
26:36  Speaker 2:  to somebody telling me how much they can leg press.
26:39  Speaker 2:  It means nothing to me.
26:42  Speaker 2:  Leg, I mean, step, I don't care. You're not burning fat walking. Sorry. Like you're just, you're not, your HURBIT's not getting elevated enough. You're just slowly burning off energy from your body. Right? So
26:52  Speaker 2:  don't, I don't care about the steps. They don't mean anything. I think that Apple has
26:57  Speaker 2:  made us think that you're healthy if we get more steps in. That's not a, it's- It doesn't matter. Doesn't, it actually doesn't really work that well. We need to have real exercise.
27:07  Speaker 2:  Okay? And frankly, I don't care about doing cardio either. Cardio is not as you will not burn as much fat. Person does cardio as much as they lift weights, person lifting weights is gonna burn way more calories, right? Because you have when you tear your muscle down and it is sore,
27:22  Speaker 2:  every day you're running a ton of calories, your body trying to repair that. Right? Way more than and when you do cardio cool, you might be burning a little bit more more calories during the act than lifting weights. Soon as you stop,
27:34  Speaker 2:  calories done burning. Yeah. But lifting weights, that caloric burn continues on for 2 days as long as you're sore. Yep. Plus,
27:44  Speaker 2:  plus usually doing cardio, you burn off muscle, which just kills your metabolism also. So
27:50  Speaker 2:  good. Don't care really about cardio. Cardio, the only good thing is, I mean, for your heart, you want your heart to be healthy. So I don't wanna say don't ever do cardio, but your cardio better be in the heart healthy zone, which is like above 80%
28:00  Speaker 2:  of your of your like VO 2 of your, your maximum
28:04  Speaker 1:  heart rate. So many people that don't know that what you just said. Yeah. Yeah. Very good that you did. And I believe your max rate is calculated 2 20 minuteus your age.
28:11  Speaker 2:  Mean, there's a longer calculation, but that's a rough 1. 2 20 minuteus your age, that's your max heart rate,
28:18  Speaker 2:  80%
28:19  Speaker 2:  and more,
28:21  Speaker 2:  are basically doing enough cardio.
28:23  Speaker 2:  Your heart is getting a workout. Your heart's a muscle. That thing needs to get a, get a good workout in.
28:29  Speaker 2:  Then you're actually giving yourself some cardiovascular support.
28:33  Speaker 2:  Other than that, I think what is it like 70
28:36  Speaker 2:  to 80 is
28:38  Speaker 2:  now we're burning fat. Now basically, if you're in the
28:42  Speaker 2:  the heart cardio zone,
28:44  Speaker 2:  your body is working so hard that it is burning muscle and fat. So there's your trade off is what it is.
28:51  Speaker 1:  Percent, 60 to 70. Right. I'd rather do it 1 way. Sorry. I don't even do cardio. And eat healthy. Right? Yeah. I was gonna say, like, you that's like, it's so funny because, like, I don't do cardio. If I'm ever gonna do it, it's hit, but I haven't done it forever because of my back. But lifting
29:03  Speaker 1:  weights, I love it. I don't do cardio. People think that's crazy because they probably think because I'm lean that I do a lot of cardio, but I don't. I eat right. I fast and I eat right. I don't do cardio. I hate cardio. I don't want to do cardio. So for my heart, it probably would be good if I did it sometimes, but I fast a lot and I think the fasting picks up the tab for a lot. It does. It does. Go to the gym and go look at who's in shape. See, abs, it's diet pressure. But, like, where are they? What are they doing? Right? Where are the women who are in shape? Are they on tell me if they're all on the cardio equipment or are they in the weight room?
29:34  Speaker 2:  That'll answer your question. Right?
29:37  Speaker 1:  I think 1 of the things that you said that kind of sat with me, which was rad, which is if
29:42  Speaker 1:  you have HGH growth hormone, you're not going to lose muscle, which is awesome because it's funny because we had recorded a video right before we sat for my channel because I get challenged on that really quickly and I want to tap on it because
29:55  Speaker 1:  I eat, I fast a lot and only sometimes 1 big meal. And a lot of people question that, like, do you get enough nutrients? How do you get enough protein, blah, blah, blah. Well, I take human growth hormone for 1. And when you fast, your body releases human growth hormone for 2, and you don't need as much food as we think we do for 3. So that's how that stuff works, you know? So it's diet. Like again, we're gonna, Will and I are gonna say diet, diet, diet, diet, diet is such a big part of health.
30:22  Speaker 1:  Supplements are freaking great, but if you don't have hormones in line and diet supplements don't mean shit. It's just the truth. I'm gonna be blunt with you. That's just the So diet, diet, And to be real for all of you haters, like,
30:34  Speaker 2:  he he is, like, enhanced. Right? So he's taking some testosterone and HGH. Right? And then I mean, that's what we call enhanced, but, like, his hormones are optimized. So some rule, if your hormones are not optimized,
30:46  Speaker 2:  right, if you're not at those, like, great levels,
30:50  Speaker 2:  a lot of what he said isn't gonna work for you. Sorry.
30:54  Speaker 1:  Yeah. So if you're if you're someone that wants to like, okay, like, it's great to like study what somebody does. We're advocates of you want to be successful, do it successfully. But you have to understand that, I've done a lot of things to get to the point where I'm doing all this. Know it works for me. So if you're coming in for somebody, been sitting on the couch for a long time and that's your life, and then you wanna do exactly how I do it, like without the HGH or the testosterone, just wanna it's not gonna work the same. It's not gonna work this. It's all optimized. Yep. And,
31:23  Speaker 2:  but again, there are natural ways to bump up your testosterone and your growth hormone. Okay? It may not be as effective or quick as this. I'm not just saying, like, if you're a person who's like, I just will not ever touch those. Right. That's okay. You might have to work a little bit harder.
31:37  Speaker 2:  And you may not get to the exact, you know, optimization.
31:43  Speaker 1:  But I don't wanna just say, hey, quit trying. Alright? Zone.
31:47  Speaker 2:  Okay. Next 1 I'm so I've been on a GLP
31:51  Speaker 2:  for 3 years now, semaglutide at 2 Migs for 3 years. Loving
31:56  Speaker 2:  that. Dose, though. Yes. Lotus. And recently added Tessa Ipah, 1 Migs Tessa every morning and 150
32:04  Speaker 2:  to 200 micrograms of IpA every morning, 5 days on and 2 days off. I'm
32:12  Speaker 2:  3 weeks into this cycle, 3 weeks. Okay. Was wondering how beneficial it is actually to fast after taking these.
32:19  Speaker 2:  I don't have any side effects or benefits just yet, so hoping these should hit soonish, but I was wondering if I could do it unfasted.
32:27  Speaker 2:  I tried taking it at nights, but wrecked my sleep according to my AuraRing.
32:31  Speaker 2:  Just curious how long I need to wait to eat or drink taking
32:35  Speaker 2:  these to get results. Thank you for everything do. Okay,
32:37  Speaker 2:  here is the problem
32:41  Speaker 2:  is
32:42  Speaker 2:  you need to be fasted while taking them, but not after taking them.
32:48  Speaker 2:  So
32:49  Speaker 2:  it all this is like, yo, I wanna eat. How long do I have to wait to eat? So the trick is you need to be fasted while you take them. So like I would say, don't eat for an hour before taking them. But also wait, like, I don't know, 0.5 hour, maybe maybe an hour after, but then you can eat.
33:06  Speaker 2:  So I think that fundamentally
33:08  Speaker 2:  changes
33:09  Speaker 2:  all of your problems, hopefully.
33:11  Speaker 2:  Because your problems were, hey, I I hate going to sleep on an empty stomach. It's not I that's the worst thing ever. I can feel my ribs while I'm you don't have to do that. You just need to be fasted.
33:20  Speaker 2:  Take it.
33:22  Speaker 2:  Eat a little bit of food, and I do think you should eat some nutrients before you go to sleep, like protein, especially, because that's then we got a building blocks for the biggest time that we actually body builds.
33:32  Speaker 2:  So I think hopefully that answers your question.
33:35  Speaker 1:  I,
33:38  Speaker 1:  are you done? Yep. Well, I would switch to get off Semaglutide.
33:42  Speaker 1:  It's so outdated and just, man, you can
33:45  Speaker 1:  be driving the Rolls Royce of GLP-1s
33:48  Speaker 1:  and you're still like not you're choosing not to. They're the same price basically. So get off Semaglutide and get on the Retrutide and you get an upgrade very quickly. So do that. It'll make a huge difference. Yeah. And again, I, you, you did say that you did try to do the secretagog ZAT
34:04  Speaker 1:  night.
34:05  Speaker 1:  I
34:06  Speaker 1:  don't know if you're your aura ringer or whatever was saying that you had bad sleep, but they should be
34:11  Speaker 1:  improving your sleep. Tesamorelin shouldn't be improving your sleep. So I'd give it some time. I would definitely take it at night. Let it run its course. Maybe your body at 1st is just kind of acting like that, but I'm going to say you're going take a security dog at night. That's
34:24  Speaker 2:  cool. But you can eat after taking it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think your pro probably your sleep was bad because you're starving while you're while you're sleeping. Right. And that does suck.
34:33  Speaker 2:  Also, okay, 3 weeks. You know what? Got this, these things were kind of a long place. So if you 3 weeks, yeah, keep going. Don't expect and you don't, it's funny. You don't really
34:43  Speaker 2:  see feel this like drastic change. Right? But go at least 3 months, I mean,
34:49  Speaker 2:  and then switch to a secret to go to a different 1.
34:52  Speaker 2:  Do that 3 to 4 months and then switch back.
34:55  Speaker 2:  But it's a long term play, so don't expect immediate results, but it really is good for you. And I'm talking like, Most yeah, long
35:02  Speaker 1:  are. I think people, you know, especially you started, it sounds like you started with Semaglutide,
35:07  Speaker 1:  which you probably saw results really quickly. So you're probably thinking when you take the other compounds, you're going to find the same results and just, it's just not that way. I mean, most things take time, right? The GLP-1s are a little bit of an outlier when it comes to that stuff, but, and, you know,
35:22  Speaker 1:  you know, for lack of a better way to say this, I think, you know, there's some people still hold like, peptides and compare them to like a steroid
35:31  Speaker 1:  or like gear in a sense. You're just not gonna feel anything. This is not like,
35:35  Speaker 1:  this is not how it works. You know, it's not how it works. You're just going to improve your body. You know, you have to have the other things in line again, diet and sleep and things like that to enhance them, and that can help them work quicker. But again, you're not going to really feel anything per se. You're just going to be healthier.
35:51  Speaker 2:  You'll sort of feel it when you stop. If
35:53  Speaker 2:  you do have 3, 4 months, when you stop, you'll go, oh, that's what I was doing. Damn. Growth hormone for sure. Yeah. Like, I was way my body was way more forgiving if I did ate anything bad or didn't exercise or,
36:06  Speaker 2:  you know, exercise too much. Right. Like, all the muscle just stayed on me. The other thing is you do say, hey, how long do I need to wait to eat and drink? Like, dude, drink. Go ahead. I mean, this can't be like protein shakes drinking, but like drink a bunch of water if you want. That
36:19  Speaker 2:  that is not a
36:21  Speaker 2:  negative that that is not not fasting.
36:24  Speaker 2:  Right? Makes sense? Damn.
36:27  Speaker 2:  There was something else that I meant to say. Maybe I'll come back to it. But yeah, drink water's cool, man. Drink water
36:33  Speaker 2:  and black coffee basically don't it's drinking foods that have nutrients in them. Anything that breaks a fast, right, that has calories in it. People think gum. I gum and I fast, so I
36:44  Speaker 1:  chew gum. So sorry.
36:47  Speaker 2:  And die hards are like, hey,
36:50  Speaker 2:  man. Listen.
36:52  Speaker 1:  All
36:53  Speaker 1:  right.
36:54  Speaker 1:  All right. You're up. I'm up. Good question.
36:57  Speaker 1:  Get off that Semaglutide.
36:59  Speaker 1:  I would. Yeah. All right.
37:02  Speaker 1:  JT will
37:03  Speaker 1:  love the material you guys are covering the podcast. Been doing peptides for 4 months now. Freaking love them. Don't we all? How happens? I'm looking to take HGH
37:13  Speaker 1:  and incorporating it into my next stack. Also getting blood work
37:17  Speaker 1:  done to check my testosterone because I'm looking into TRT. I'm 32, pretty young, 32 year old male, lift 4 to 5 times a week,
37:27  Speaker 1:  looking to pack on some lean muscle, start a new year, then look to get shredded before summer.
37:33  Speaker 1:  I'm wanting to know for someone who is just starting HGH,
37:38  Speaker 1:  what is an ideal dose or units to take per day or week? Would it be best to microdose like I do with peptides?
37:47  Speaker 1:  What's your typical units per taking HGH
37:49  Speaker 1:  and TRT daily, and what is your typical protocol? As you mentioned a while back on the podcast, HGH and TRT
37:57  Speaker 1:  are staples in your regimen.
37:58  Speaker 1:  I will be more than likely combining these with BPC-one hundred 57, NAD plus
38:04  Speaker 1:  and Tesamorelin at night. Thanks guys. Love you much. You want me to jump on that? Go ahead. So yeah, they are. HGH
38:12  Speaker 1:  and TRT are staples of mine. I've been taking HGH for quite some time, years, and I don't ever push the limits. I take low dose.
38:21  Speaker 1:  I did 1 unit for a very long time. Do you remember? 1 unit. Then I even pushed it. I should probably been a couple of years since I've been 2 now, but some people still see a video from when I did 1. They're like, But I don't go above that. I think my take on HGH
38:36  Speaker 1:  is it's freaking amazing. There's nothing that's better than TRT.
38:40  Speaker 1:  That's the godfather, so to speak. 32 is young. I'd like to see where your numbers are at.
38:46  Speaker 1:  Now I have worked with some 32 year olds for sure when
38:50  Speaker 1:  I was doing the fitness stuff and I was definitely more surprised than expected on
38:56  Speaker 1:  people in their young thirties coming back with low doses, low, like 300 or below on TRT 2. Was actually blown away when I started seeing that. You could be very low, but 32 is young in my opinion for TRT. So you definitely need to get your blood work,
39:12  Speaker 1:  total tests, free test, estrogen levels at a minimum. If you want to call Doctor. Scott, he can help you with some of that stuff and read that stuff with you and then go from there. So TRT,
39:23  Speaker 1:  you need to get that done 1st.
39:25  Speaker 1:  HGH,
39:26  Speaker 1:  again, 32 is a little bit young.
39:28  Speaker 1:  Know, with the food we eat, it's poison. It's so a lot of people's numbers are kind of our toast, but 2 I use to
39:35  Speaker 1:  answer your questions. I take, I never go above it ever. I believe, I personally believe with what
39:43  Speaker 1:  I've read,
39:44  Speaker 1:  it's
39:45  Speaker 1:  just so low in regards to risk that for me, it outweighs
39:51  Speaker 1:  any type of
39:52  Speaker 1:  problems that some people think HGH brings. I think a lot of that stuff is just not true.
39:58  Speaker 1:  The cancer thing has been running around for years. We've been, I've heard it since the beginning of time that HGH causes cancer.
40:06  Speaker 1:  Anything abused
40:08  Speaker 1:  causes problems.
40:09  Speaker 1:  You know what I w I worry about more than HGH Doritos.
40:13  Speaker 1:  I'm serious. Don't eat Doritos cause that's poison.
40:17  Speaker 1:  Take HGH.
40:18  Speaker 1:  You're going to have a lot more benefits from HGH than Doritos. So worry about that type of stuff, crap food.
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40:45  Speaker 1:  Cated opinion, which I hope you do some study and don't just take our opinions from the show. Study it, take our opinions, then study it, do the research to where you feel like you're educated
40:55  Speaker 1:  and then decide if you're going to jump. And if you do, it's a long play. You won't really see a whole lot for 6 months, but my play on it was when you get to 6 months, you will notice that burning fat is a lot easier. It's just the way it is. Yeah. So
41:10  Speaker 1:  that's my take. TRT, get your hormones checked. If you do the HGH,
41:14  Speaker 1:  more than 2 IU. I truly don't believe anybody needs it. Alright.
41:18  Speaker 2:  So
41:20  Speaker 2:  the last question, like, why do you take it fasted? She didn't ask that, but it's helpful to tell people, like especially the secretagogues, there's a lot of these Pep Beds you don't need to take it fasted. Like all the healing BPC doesn't matter.
41:33  Speaker 2:  But HGH
41:34  Speaker 2:  and secretagogues,
41:35  Speaker 2:  it is important to take fasted. That means, like, having no and and the quick answer is,
41:41  Speaker 2:  a, like, they if you eat food and your body's processing food,
41:45  Speaker 2:  that the the secretagogue
41:47  Speaker 2:  and that food and sugar are competing for the same pathways. Right? And so essentially,
41:51  Speaker 2:  you just
41:53  Speaker 2:  only 1 goes in the pathway. That's the simp this is a oversimplified
41:56  Speaker 1:  version, but
41:59  Speaker 2:  they're gonna compete for the same pathways and, hey, you might not get all that, get all the secretagogue because your body's processing
42:05  Speaker 1:  food Get and
42:07  Speaker 2:  them, like, get the best of them. Yeah. Absolutely. And then also sugar, right? Like, just, sorry, when we have when our insulin is increased,
42:14  Speaker 2:  which it that's its response to us eating sugar,
42:18  Speaker 2:  the,
42:19  Speaker 2:  the secretagogue's effects are just blunted. They just will not work as well. K? If you have sugar carbs on board. K? There's that quickly. Okay. Your other person, I agree. So I agree on this 1. I think that more on the the growth.
42:34  Speaker 2:  I just don't do that your age of 32.
42:37  Speaker 2:  I don't know if it's gonna really work that much. Yeah. Because your growth hormone's
42:41  Speaker 2:  probably really good
42:42  Speaker 2:  and it's just not going to see that great of an effect.
42:46  Speaker 2:  You might just be spinning your wheels,
42:48  Speaker 2:  taking the HGH,
42:50  Speaker 1:  the TOT of, absolutely get your blood work done, see if it's necessary. And I would love to see who, if you're hearing this, which I hope you asked it. So I hope you watch and listen,
43:00  Speaker 1:  I would love if you shot us a DM after you get the blood work done, because I
43:05  Speaker 1:  want to see where you're at. You're 32.
43:07  Speaker 1:  Gosh, man. Like it's, I was really blown away when I was having younger guys have their blood work done. I was like, dude, woah, it's an epidemic out there, man. It's the food. It's poison.
43:18  Speaker 1:  Hormone.
43:19  Speaker 1:  Everything's full hormone. It's sugar.
43:21  Speaker 2:  It's just- Well, I think it's the food. It's also just a laid back lifestyle too. Like, everybody is so lazy
43:28  Speaker 2:  today.
43:29  Speaker 2:  So 1 of the reasons, you know, 100 years ago, people had way higher tests and were more just virile because they had to take Worked
43:36  Speaker 2:  showers, and it was cold, and their body had they had to go kill their food and work hard. Right? That
43:42  Speaker 2:  all that stuff, right? Is higher, gives you higher testosterone.
43:45  Speaker 2:  Yeah. Sitting in the couch and doing nothing in the desk job and keeping the temp, the heat all nice and take a nice, comfortable, warm showers and like does not,
43:54  Speaker 2:  isn't conducive to higher testosterone.
43:56  Speaker 1:  There's some studies done where, like,
43:59  Speaker 1:  natural
44:00  Speaker 1:  ways, whether don't I don't know how good this works, but I mean, there's been studies done where, like, like,
44:06  Speaker 1:  sitting by a tree. I know that sounds woo woo, but sitting by a tree, you're like walk grounding, meaning like taking your shoes off and walking on the ground, sitting by a tree. We don't do that. And people don't do that anymore. We don't walk on the grass. We don't do those types of things. They used to do those things all the time. Yeah.
44:21  Speaker 1:  I don't think it's gonna increase your, like, any type of testosterone, but
44:24  Speaker 1:  good. Good enough. Get back to the old school, man. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I would. Sitting on the couch with the controller Yeah. Not doing anything. He's some twinkies and going, what? Testosterone
44:33  Speaker 1:  low. Yes.
44:35  Speaker 2:  Right. This is I mean, part of the reason is, hey. You know, cold cold plunges, that's 1 of the reasons that will help. Your body just you just shuck the shit out of your body. Yeah. And it will help your your testosterone.
44:47  Speaker 2:  Okay. And then finally, yeah, you you help you did say, hey, should I microdose the h there is no
44:53  Speaker 2:  there is no such thing as micro dosing. You're already micro dosing HGH.
44:56  Speaker 2:  It's daily. It is daily, daily, daily, daily, daily. I would say, I know everybody would be surprised if you actually knew what he tells you, but if you actually believed him on
45:06  Speaker 2:  the doses of testosterone and HGH that he takes, I've known him for a long time,
45:11  Speaker 2:  you can't take that much testosterone.
45:13  Speaker 2:  I don't think you ever have taken more than 200 or you haven't been like, oh shit, this is bad for me.
45:18  Speaker 2:  And yes, he's at 1 IU of growth and maybe 2 and 2 nowadays. But personally, go between like 2 to 3 IUs of growth. I would say that there's no, I would don't go more than 4. Some people are saying, are you just going to go higher? Well, let's talk about it for 2nd. The
45:35  Speaker 1:  1 thing, the difference, if you compare me and you, 1, you're a lot bigger, but like that's the obvious 1. 2,
45:40  Speaker 1:  you don't stay on it more. I'm not necessarily doing it in perpetuity, but I've taken a lot longer than you do. I think you kind of go off and on it more than I do. So I think that, like, if you did it from the standpoint of that, you could get away with some 3. Yeah. Sometimes 4. That is true. That is true. But here's but people, I don't get off of it on purpose. There's just been different times in my life that I've stopped.
46:02  Speaker 2:  Forget. Yeah, like forget, I don't know. And frankly, I am now
46:06  Speaker 2:  it's about it's that time to maybe get myself fertile.
46:10  Speaker 2:  Everybody knows what that means. I'm going to lower the hell out of my testosterone, like take really like, I'm not getting off completely.
46:18  Speaker 2:  Like you said, well, let God sort it out. Yeah.
46:22  Speaker 2:  But maybe like 50 Migs a week.
46:25  Speaker 2:  And
46:26  Speaker 2:  1 of from this from the laboratory
46:29  Speaker 2:  that
46:31  Speaker 2:  that we
46:33  Speaker 2:  work with or have, right, our main kind of doctor or chemist has told me that I should probably get off the growth, but I don't but I've also talked to different doctors and they've said, get on and grow.
46:44  Speaker 2:  So
46:45  Speaker 2:  I'm definitely, I'm gonna drop it down to 1 IU. I would like to ask And him super low. Did he say why? Did he elaborate on the why? No, but I can get that answer. That would be interesting. I can get the answer. So,
46:54  Speaker 2:  but I think I'm gonna drop it down to 1 IU and drop down my test down to really low
46:59  Speaker 2:  and take HCG
47:01  Speaker 2:  and clomiphene.
47:03  Speaker 2:  And then HMG is the last thing that is
47:07  Speaker 2:  super expensive. Folks like incubate, like 75 IU bottles, right? And that's basically your daily dose. You're killing a bottle a day. Yeah. I don't know. I think I may just not do that and then see if it works, but I'm not talking and I'm actually kind of preparing. I don't expect to have sex once and like pregnant because it takes like that. Time. I think you can do it for a long period, like HCG. Yeah. Yeah. Thousand IUs 3 times a week. Yep.
47:30  Speaker 1:  I think you're golden. It'll take a while. And I will take But you have you can't if you do it like consistent,
47:36  Speaker 1:  I believe you that And
47:38  Speaker 2:  I'm gonna take 25 mgs of Enclomiphene daily. So usually guys like Enclomiphene generally like it's 1 pill is 12.5 mgs.
47:45  Speaker 1:  So, that's what I'm gonna do. And, and this data is not just me just making shit up. Gotta, No, no, that's scary. No, there's been we've talked about it a lot and I, my wife has probably listened to this, so close your ears, honey. So I'm not gonna like, because she's in the house. She's be, get out of clomiphene.
47:58  Speaker 1:  She wants to have another baby. You know how I know because she tells me every day. Honey, I love you. She's listening for sure. She likes the show, but like, Enclomiphene works.
48:06  Speaker 1:  Then, yeah, I mean, there's ways to expedite things and do it a little bit faster. Even
48:12  Speaker 1:  the thousand IUs Monday, Wednesday, Friday, it's not a cheap dig. Like, you know, HCG is not a cheap gig. That's a 9 month play give or take. You got to know that it's, if you, if you want to stay on testosterone and your bride or girlfriend wants to have a baby, it's not going to be the cheapest thing. It's not going to be the cheapest thing. Yeah. And, and also just jumping
48:32  Speaker 2:  jumping to growth hormone, forget the baby talk.
48:35  Speaker 2:  If you want to start on HGH,
48:38  Speaker 2:  yeah, man, 6 months, you might start maybe
48:41  Speaker 2:  start to see some results, right? A year that's when it starts, we get real good benefits. 5
48:46  Speaker 2:  years,
48:47  Speaker 2:  you know, you're going to look as young as you did 5 years ago. Right? That is a, it's a long term place, a budget for it. There's no point to do it for 2, 3 months. I always say I
48:57  Speaker 1:  always say, like, just think logically. Why do all the movie stars on HGH? Yeah. Because it freaking works when they stay younger. Mhmm. Right? Just be logical. And when you start growth, everybody just realized this. You will feel a little bit lethargic, the 1st couple weeks. Okay?
49:09  Speaker 2:  That's normal. That's good. Yep. Then you start getting kinda like swollen knuckles, little little kind of tingling. Those are all good signs. Yeah. The tiredness goes away. So just deal with it. Your body's basically using more calories. Right? It's trying to grow. Trying to grow everywhere. Right? And and that makes us tired. The same reason you do leg day and you're tired tomorrow. You're not tired because if it's like, it's a hangover because you worked so hard yesterday. No, no, no. You're tired right now because your muscles right now just got got tore down yesterday and they are still, they're using a lot of calories to re repair themselves. And that overall caloric burn saps your energy. Okay.
49:46  Speaker 2:  Next. Oh, and so we went over dosage with this dude. Yeah. Okay.
49:51  Speaker 2:  All
49:52  Speaker 2:  the other peptides,
49:53  Speaker 2:  drug, go ahead. None of them will interfere
49:56  Speaker 2:  and
49:57  Speaker 2:  do do it up.
50:00  Speaker 2:  Okay. Although other okay. Anyway, what's up fellas? I'm 43
50:05  Speaker 2:  5 11
50:06  Speaker 2:  and weigh 1 85, around 10% body fat. Cool. Trying to lean up a bit more. My current stack is Enclomiphene,
50:13  Speaker 2:  MOTS-3GHK,
50:14  Speaker 2:  Wolverine,
50:15  Speaker 2:  CJC
50:16  Speaker 2:  slash Ipah with Ipah. I recently got Retta from my doc at 1 MIG a week. Just had labs done, and my test was 1,100, and Estradiol was 75. Should
50:26  Speaker 2:  I jump on the Retta or try an AI 1st?
50:30  Speaker 2:  God bless you guys and have,
50:33  Speaker 2:  you guys age happy New Year. Okay.
50:37  Speaker 2:  I don't think the Retta or AI have anything to do with each other whatsoever, so I would say get on the Retta. On the Retta, though, didn't he? No. He just he just got it from his doc. Got it. Got it. So the estradiol is too high.
50:49  Speaker 2:  Okay. When we're talking TRT,
50:51  Speaker 2:  I agree that, like, you shouldn't be taking as much testosterone to need an AI, and long term use of an AI is not good for you for various, various reasons. Yeah. But
51:01  Speaker 2:  it's necessary if your estradiol is at 75.
51:04  Speaker 2:  I would take the AI and get it down.
51:07  Speaker 2:  Right?
51:08  Speaker 2:  Get that down and oh, I don't know if you're feeling it and seeing these side effects. Side effects, like your main guys with, if your estrogen is too high, I can tell you immediately as soon as my estrogen is high,
51:18  Speaker 1:  acne,
51:20  Speaker 2:  we start seeing like little dotted out and then actually just having your more oily skin breaking out. What the hell? Don't know.
51:27  Speaker 2:  That's an immediate sign. I know estrogen's too high. Yep.
51:31  Speaker 2:  Any nipple sensitivity.
51:33  Speaker 2:  Okay? That's not good. You need to you need to stop that immediately. Take an AI right now because what your body is doing is building fat underneath your nipples. It is trying to build you women's breasts.
51:44  Speaker 2:  K? That's a permanent problem.
51:47  Speaker 2:  If you build up even a little bit of fat in there, you would need to get it cut out. You can't burn that fat off. Yep.
51:53  Speaker 2:  So don't It's a gland. Stop it before it starts.
51:58  Speaker 2:  Water retention, excess water retention. If you're looking bloated
52:01  Speaker 2:  everywhere, not just not talking about stomach bloat, but just your body's retaining water. Your estrogen is too high and, you know, general mood swings. So just think of like, if you're a woman, she's turning into a woman,
52:11  Speaker 2:  estrogen is too high. Okay?
52:13  Speaker 2:  You're crying a lot. I'm crying a lot. What is wrong with women? Complaining about like, oh, I'm retaining water. That's because their estrogen's higher. So
52:22  Speaker 2:  anyway,
52:23  Speaker 2:  those 2 don't have anything to do with each other. I would get on the Retta. I would also take an estrogen blocker, an AI, and a Strozole probably,
52:31  Speaker 2:  and get that balanced and then take it out a little bit. You gotta find your sweet spot. Alright?
52:37  Speaker 2:  Measure up your testosterone, but take your estradiol until symptoms gone.
52:42  Speaker 2:  And then you want to slowly take out, slow and lower, reduce your dose
52:47  Speaker 2:  systematically
52:48  Speaker 2:  and find your sweet spot. And hopefully you can get down at a low enough
52:52  Speaker 2:  test dose where you don't need the AI, but if you want to take a whole bunch of tests, you're going to need a little bit of AI. Take as little as possible.
52:58  Speaker 2:  And
53:00  Speaker 2:  but maybe you're not even taking tests because you're taking Enclomiphene. As is it. But
53:05  Speaker 2:  still, maybe you're in Enclomiphene. It's just maybe you're The naturals. Maybe your natural test, bro, is really good, and you don't need the Enclomiphene. Pretty true. I mean, 1,100 ain't off the charts, but it's probably a little high for what's the free test. Yeah.
53:18  Speaker 1:  Like There's a, like another piece of that puzzle that will tell a little bit, because if you're 1,100 on your total tests and like 6 on your free test, there's something wrong.
53:27  Speaker 1:  I mean, 5 is definitely high. I mean,
53:30  Speaker 1:  estrogen is, is really strange because as hopefully you guys, if you haven't didn't go and watch the last episode that we had with Doctor. Scott, because it was such a, it was such a great conversation.
53:40  Speaker 1:  I'm 2 with 2 of my best friends talking about stuff. I love to talk about like, dude, this what I do for a living. It's crazy. But the thing is, is I
53:47  Speaker 1:  talked with Doctor. Scott after the show about some estrogen stuff, and he likes to be as estrogen, estradiol at 50, which to me seems extremely high because from what I read,
53:58  Speaker 1:  that's just as high, that's on the, like, almost like gynecomastia
54:01  Speaker 1:  type issues,
54:03  Speaker 1:  but
54:04  Speaker 1:  you, everybody is a science project. Everybody's different. Like, are you,
54:09  Speaker 1:  you know, you know what I mean? It wasn't methylating and things like that. It's all going to play a role
54:14  Speaker 1:  in how you feel. So if he likes to run high on the testosterone,
54:18  Speaker 1:  but higher on the estrogen,
54:20  Speaker 1:  do you convert to estrogen? Does it, does it cause gyno? Like for Will, he doesn't really get gyno. I've got gyno since he's known me. Like if I go, if I go over 180,
54:28  Speaker 1:  I'd know it because I convert estrogen. So again, these are things that play such a role where
54:35  Speaker 1:  the numbers are good beacons,
54:38  Speaker 1:  but we are science project
54:40  Speaker 1:  and they're not like the definitive, like another example.
54:44  Speaker 1:  So I'll tell you, like, there's people that say, need to do a Retatrutide once a week and it's the science, all this stuff. Okay, cool. Well, we know a lot of people that have done Retrutide and we have found with our hands on, so to speak of seeing people's progress, they do better micro dosing.
55:01  Speaker 1:  Now science can say this, but this says this what's right or wrong.
55:05  Speaker 1:  You can choose and whatever you want. So I hope that didn't confuse the situation by my mean, these numbers are great.
55:11  Speaker 1:  You do need to say what your free test is because that does play a role with it because if it's a wide range of something wrong. Again, you might not even need the Enclomiphene,
55:19  Speaker 1:  but 1,100 to me in total,
55:22  Speaker 1:  it's not that big of a deal. Like to be like 900,
55:25  Speaker 1:  1,100,
55:26  Speaker 1:  900 to 1000 11 hundreds right on that high mark.
55:30  Speaker 1:  Again,
55:31  Speaker 1:  the free test is really what you're using in like sex drives energy and things like that. So you're going to want to know what that is. So if you did get your blood work done without that, get that. And
55:41  Speaker 2:  just an FYI, the starting, well,
55:44  Speaker 2:  The starting dose from manufacturer,
55:46  Speaker 2:  A BRETTA is like 2.5 mg a week. Okay. Doc told you to go 1 mg a week. That's like really, really, really low. Now the fact that you are I mean, you're a great candidate because you're you're if you're 43, you're 5 11, 1 85 at 10%. 10% means we can see your abs. Right? You are in damn good shape. Right? You can do 1 it might actually be pretty good. Maybe 1 mg twice a week. Yeah.
56:08  Speaker 2:  It
56:09  Speaker 2:  might just do exactly what you need it to do.
56:12  Speaker 2:  Okay? Your testosterone
56:14  Speaker 2:  obviously is high. I mean, and bro, you're trying to lose weight or look even more chiseled that high estrogen is just going to kill that. You're going be thinking.
56:23  Speaker 2:  Yeah. And maybe, like you said, with these blood tests, like, I don't know if you are feeling any of those symptoms that I just said, if you're not feeling any symptoms,
56:32  Speaker 2:  it don't matter. I mean, maybe it doesn't even matter because you're not I mean, but
56:37  Speaker 2:  if you are feeling symptoms, you've got to do something about that estrogen immediately. Immediately.
56:41  Speaker 2:  75 is definitely high. I mean, it's definitely like you're probably if you're gynoprone, you're definitely getting gyno. And hopefully you're not just like, damn, I can't get leaner. I gotta take more supplements. And all it is is just lot of retention that you're making that's making you look like a little bit plumper that you don't wanna be, and it would have just been fixed
56:57  Speaker 2:  taking,
56:57  Speaker 2:  you know,
56:59  Speaker 2:  a milligram of Anastrozil 3 to 3 times a week. For you, I don't know. I probably started like
57:04  Speaker 2:  1 meg 3 times a week. Let's see what that does. That might just drop it.
57:09  Speaker 2:  And then you incrementally
57:10  Speaker 2:  by 0.5 a milligram a week,
57:12  Speaker 2:  it down. And then your goal is to take as little as possible when having,
57:17  Speaker 2:  seeing, feeling no side effects. Okay.
57:20  Speaker 2:  And
57:21  Speaker 2:  there you are.
57:23  Speaker 1:  Any peptides that help with energy that you would get from taking- Vyvanse. Vyvanse
57:29  Speaker 2:  or Adderall?
57:31  Speaker 1:  Any peptides that help with energy that you would get from taking Vyvanse or Adderall?
57:36  Speaker 2:  Not really. I mean, nothing's that good. So,
57:39  Speaker 1:  I mean, I don't know. It's not a peptide, but modafinil is rad. We've
57:43  Speaker 1:  never really even to talk about that on this
57:47  Speaker 1:  this Modafinil
57:48  Speaker 2:  is the
57:50  Speaker 2:  pharmaceutical
57:51  Speaker 2:  like prescription only smart pill.
57:54  Speaker 2:  They call it the limitless pill. Limitless pill, right? Like it is AKA
57:58  Speaker 2:  like non narcotic Adderall. Yeah.
58:02  Speaker 2:  It does give you energy, but it doesn't give you it doesn't make you, like, kind of cracked out feeling that that a that a actual,
58:09  Speaker 2:  amphetamine,
58:10  Speaker 2:  like what these are, will do to you. But peptides,
58:13  Speaker 2:  Cmax.
58:14  Speaker 2:  So Cmax is gonna give you give you energy.
58:18  Speaker 2:  Tesofensine
58:19  Speaker 2:  is not a peptide either, but In the brain. That
58:22  Speaker 2:  gives me good energy without,
58:25  Speaker 2:  you know, feeling like too much like those 2.
58:29  Speaker 2:  PE 22 28,
58:31  Speaker 2:  it's more of like an antidepressant, but it's gonna give you energy and happiness. Yeah.
58:36  Speaker 1:  Yeah. There's gonna be none that, like, kinda hold up to Adderall. Yeah. There's gonna be some that it like you know? And again, like, some of it's contingent on how your, how your body is, like your mitochondria and things like that. Like NAD
58:48  Speaker 1:  is known for some people to give energy. I feel like it does whether it does not, I feel like it does. So it works for me. And I've said it numerous times, I take it at 02:00.
58:58  Speaker 1:  And that has worked for me. I do take the Medaffinil before every podcast, unless I forget.
59:03  Speaker 1:  But it's a little quick side note of funny story about Medaffinil when Will and I
59:09  Speaker 1:  started working together about a year ago, give or take, I had never heard of it. So he was saying, this. And I took a, took 1 and
59:16  Speaker 1:  I think it took 1 the next day and I was super freaking focused. I didn't really realize that that was how well it worked. And I was like, man, I am just on fire today, maybe. And I'm just like, dude, dude, dude, like, just feel like I can work in and like, it was like 06:30 and I should be going home, but I like, I was just in it. And he, and he's a little, would you take that? I'm like, He's like, that's what it was. You remember that? I'm like,
59:37  Speaker 1:  oh man. No. But if you do take it though too much, it doesn't. Now it's not habit for me because if you take it too too much, it stops working. So I take 1 before a podcast. I know that you get more focused.
59:50  Speaker 1:  I don't have to be an avid-4A guy, but I hear that you have razor focus, so I don't know if you could compare it, but I get super focused
59:57  Speaker 1:  on Minafonelle and it's not habit forming. So try it. Yeah. It's not like there's no euphoria.
1:00:02  Speaker 2:  Yeah. You don't feel energy. You don't feel Overall, there is low euphoria. So, like, that's why it makes it addictive
1:00:08  Speaker 2:  drug. Right? It's amphetamines.
1:00:10  Speaker 2:  Right? This stuff, like, really isn't
1:00:13  Speaker 2:  isn't
1:00:14  Speaker 2:  addictive.
1:00:15  Speaker 2:  I've known less people who get addicted to everything. I do too. And I'll take my nap and I'll be like, meh. You're here. I'll tell you that I can stop. But, like, usually, everything I take, if it's makes me feel a little bit great. Yeah. Like, I'm in all day long. So I don't get addicted to that. So No judgment.
1:00:31  Speaker 2:  Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's
1:00:34  Speaker 2:  Not really. There's some tangents going to know. Not really, but you could get some But what I said is your best bets. Yeah. I hope I'm not forgetting something out there. Alright. My I understand. Do you all have any fabulous bodybuilding coaches? Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.
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1:01:00  Speaker 2:  Bikini division.
1:01:03  Speaker 2:  Sorry.
1:01:03  Speaker 2:  Off the top of my head, no, but we can DM you. We we probably do.
1:01:08  Speaker 2:  Okay. We will, we will send you a DM with some
1:01:12  Speaker 2:  ideas. Okay? Some referrals. Okay.
1:01:15  Speaker 2:  I'll read this. So love the pod
1:01:17  Speaker 2:  warriors. I'm learning a lot and getting valuable clinical insights from your experiences. Yep. I'm tapering off a successful Retta run. I shed 20 pounds while maintaining lean muscle. Good for you. My biomarkers are greatly improved.
1:01:30  Speaker 2:  How do you suggest a taper off? I'm considering reducing 1.25
1:01:34  Speaker 2:  mg each
1:01:36  Speaker 2:  week for 4 weeks and then gradually adding a SLUIP and Tesofensine in the last 2 weeks. Thoughts? I couldn't,
1:01:43  Speaker 2:  I couldn't
1:01:45  Speaker 2:  give you any better advice. Like, that's perfect. So the Tesofensine is really good because that's gonna help a lot of people get off of any of these GLP-1s and maybe
1:01:53  Speaker 2:  too much appetite
1:01:55  Speaker 2:  comes back. And Tesofensine is gonna be a great little step down.
1:01:59  Speaker 2:  And it's also metabolic.
1:02:02  Speaker 2:  So is SLU-4four
1:02:05  Speaker 2:  various reasons. So, yeah, bro, I would do that. And don't feel bad. Let's say
1:02:11  Speaker 2:  let's say, like, it's okay if you step down and then, damn, you're getting maybe a rush of hunger and not quite like it. Like, it's okay. Hey. Just maybe ride that up. Maybe stay at that that dose for a couple weeks and then continue with your taper. Okay? Don't be so rigid. Listen to your body.
1:02:27  Speaker 2:  You know?
1:02:28  Speaker 2:  But other than that, dude,
1:02:29  Speaker 2:  yeah, I had no good sounds like you've, you have thought through it. And
1:02:34  Speaker 1:  that's absolutely what I would do. 5 Yeah. I mean, I don't have anything much more. I don't take Tesofensine. I don't personally
1:02:39  Speaker 1:  like it, but a lot of people do and they do compare
1:02:44  Speaker 1:  it to a GLP-one in regards to appetite suppression.
1:02:47  Speaker 2:  There's also pegrelinotide
1:02:49  Speaker 2:  that is just an appetite suppressant.
1:02:52  Speaker 2:  Some people even use like Naltrexone.
1:02:55  Speaker 2:  Naltrexone,
1:02:56  Speaker 2:  anybody who's ever been in the program or had a drug problem, right, is meant to
1:03:00  Speaker 2:  it's a, like an opiate blocker is actually made for alcoholics because they work on the same receptors in the brain,
1:03:07  Speaker 2:  but it helps with cravings.
1:03:09  Speaker 2:  K. Mostly used for drugs and alcohol, but applies to food.
1:03:13  Speaker 2:  So
1:03:15  Speaker 2:  not saying I just, that is it. Some people take that. Okay. Good stuff. You're up. Right. 2 bar question. Number 1,
1:03:23  Speaker 1:  what are your thoughts on peptide blends versus stacking them individually?
1:03:28  Speaker 1:  Great question. How does reconstitution
1:03:31  Speaker 1:  and dosing work specifically
1:03:33  Speaker 1:  when,
1:03:34  Speaker 1:  there are different amounts of the peptides in the vial? Thanks again for the great content.
1:03:38  Speaker 1:  This is definitely up your alley though.
1:03:42  Speaker 1:  Well, them. I don't know. Tell what
1:03:44  Speaker 2:  you think.
1:03:47  Speaker 1:  I can, the best way that I can answer it is I can answer it in many different ways, but it's
1:03:53  Speaker 1:  my experience with myself
1:03:55  Speaker 1:  for a long time. Would have said taking the BPC-one
1:03:58  Speaker 1:  hundred 57
1:03:59  Speaker 1:  separately and the TB-five hundred separately was the best way to do it. And I believed it at the time until the Wolverine did come out. We had read about it for a while and read some different things on how it worked and blah, blah, blah.
1:04:11  Speaker 1:  Because I read some negative things about the blend,
1:04:14  Speaker 1:  I kind of had that perspective
1:04:17  Speaker 1:  going into the, when I used it. So,
1:04:20  Speaker 1:  but when I got, I had a shoulder injury forever
1:04:24  Speaker 1:  where I could not raise my hand, my arm above my head. But when the Wolverine came and we got it, I took
1:04:31  Speaker 1:  it, I used it, and it was freaking
1:04:33  Speaker 1:  amazing. I'm not kidding. 3 days I
1:04:37  Speaker 1:  was like, oh my God, I'd not raised my arm, my shoulder forever. And I had taken TB and BPC separately. So not saying the blend was like magic, but it worked for me. And then when I had the surgery,
1:04:49  Speaker 1:  instead of taking them separate, I used the Wolverine in very high doses,
1:04:55  Speaker 1:  because I was told by someone we respect heavily that knows a lot about this stuff and,
1:05:01  Speaker 1:  it freaking worked. So
1:05:03  Speaker 1:  that's how I'll answer it. I think the blends are great. I know, you know, Doctor. Trevor and goes like that, I go on and on and on and off, and I'm not knocking him or not. Don't care. I think he's great. But he says the blends suck. I think the blends are great. I think they're awesome. I think that they're cheaper and you can get a lot from them.
1:05:19  Speaker 1:  So I'm a fan of the blends. I think they work amazing. And the people that say that they don't,
1:05:25  Speaker 1:  I don't really agree with that. So blends are great. Yeah. We have asked and some different chemists
1:05:31  Speaker 2:  and
1:05:33  Speaker 2:  people,
1:05:34  Speaker 2:  who's
1:05:35  Speaker 2:  devoted their lives to the science of peptides and said, what's that? And he said, bro, like, yeah,
1:05:42  Speaker 1:  okay. There's
1:05:43  Speaker 2:  a pH, there might cause a slight pH balance. There might be a pH balance between those. Like, this is, is the problem too, again, like on research,
1:05:52  Speaker 1:  right? Even
1:05:53  Speaker 2:  How it reads. Yeah. Yeah. And this
1:05:56  Speaker 2:  cool.
1:05:57  Speaker 2:  Under a microscope,
1:05:58  Speaker 2:  under, you know, under the right conditions, if you have a tiny little bit of this, tiny little bit that, it may
1:06:03  Speaker 2:  negate each other, but he's like, in real life, that difference that it's actually making is like
1:06:09  Speaker 2:  non measurable. That is there's
1:06:12  Speaker 2:  no, no, they will work just fine, just the same. Right? Maybe 1.0 1%.
1:06:18  Speaker 2:  Right.
1:06:19  Speaker 2:  Less effective.
1:06:20  Speaker 2:  Okay. So
1:06:22  Speaker 2:  so there's that. But the same thing with, I don't know, all these new there's a whole bunch of new peptides and like even supplements,
1:06:29  Speaker 2:  a lot of the over the counter supplements and you read up on them.
1:06:33  Speaker 2:  You're like, oh my goodness. Look at that. That's just amazing. Right? Like reality.
1:06:38  Speaker 2:  But under a microscope, we could see the cell doing that, but it translating
1:06:42  Speaker 2:  to a real human being and all yeah,
1:06:45  Speaker 2:  sorry. Point different. Like, it doesn't I mean, and just look at a whole bunch of these GNC
1:06:50  Speaker 2:  supplements there
1:06:52  Speaker 2:  and take Anybody go there? See if it did what it said it was gonna do on paper. No. So as far as the the the mixing,
1:06:58  Speaker 2:  I don't know what to tell you, I guess, because there's different blends and I can't really say this is exactly how you're doing it. Let's let's talk about everything on blend, but here's, so for example, how about the glow?
1:07:09  Speaker 2:  Okay. Most glows, the ones I know are 10 mg BPC,
1:07:14  Speaker 2:  10
1:07:15  Speaker 2:  mgs of
1:07:17  Speaker 2:  TB 550
1:07:19  Speaker 2:  migs of GHKCU.
1:07:21  Speaker 2:  Okay. So like yeah.
1:07:23  Speaker 2:  And these are usually full size and knowing
1:07:26  Speaker 2:  that you're that they have to be blended. So they're not gonna put in 1000 mg of GHKCu
1:07:32  Speaker 2:  and then make it impossible for you to add 1 amount of water and then like, well, I can't possibly take that much. Right? Do it. Blends are made with in the same mind where you put the same amount of water in, now you're taking a correct dose.
1:07:43  Speaker 2:  But I generally is gonna am gonna put 20 or put 2 mls of water in. Here's how the math works in my brain. I go up.
1:07:52  Speaker 2:  This doesn't work for everybody, but you got 10 mgs, we have 10 mgs, we have 50 mgs. Okay? I put 2 mils of water. How my brain works is I know that
1:08:02  Speaker 2:  in 2 mils, 2 mils, and 1 mil is 1 insulin syringe, and that is labeled 1 through a 100.
1:08:09  Speaker 2:  Right. But it also has 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60. Right? So there are 10
1:08:15  Speaker 2:  intervals of tens in 1. Okay. Well, 2, there's gonna be 20. So I take the milligram. I got 10 mg and I divide that by
1:08:23  Speaker 2:  20. That will tell me how many milligrams is in 10 units.
1:08:28  Speaker 2:  So that would give me 0.5. So I would add 2 mils. That would give me 0.5
1:08:33  Speaker 2:  mg of BPC, 0.5
1:08:35  Speaker 2:  mg of TB-five hundred and 2.5
1:08:39  Speaker 2:  mg of GHK-
1:08:41  Speaker 2:  So again, I did 50 divided by 20, 10 divided by 20, 10 divided by 20 Frank. And that is about, that's about the low dose that you want.
1:08:52  Speaker 2:  Would say a higher dose of GHK CU is 5 mg.
1:08:56  Speaker 2:  So I wouldn't do on that 1 specifically. If you wanna add 2 mils of water,
1:09:01  Speaker 2:  I wouldn't do any more than 20 units. 10 units will give you 0.5, 0.5, 2.5, 20 units will give you 1 mg, 1 mg, and 5 mg.
1:09:10  Speaker 2:  The problem there is you don't really want do more GHK-three
1:09:14  Speaker 2:  if you didn't have the glow, didn't have GHK-three
1:09:16  Speaker 2:  Shoot, run it, like get take up to shit.
1:09:20  Speaker 2:  I mean, I think 2 mg per injection of BPC and TB 500 is great. So like if you have the Wolverine blend 10 10,
1:09:27  Speaker 2:  they're that. If you have the 30 mg Wolverine, 30 mg of BPC, 30 Migs of TB-five hundred. Okay. I would make the math easy. You got 30, 30. Let's add 3 mils of water. Right? That makes everything kind of work out really easy. So just following along with this with my calculator here.
1:09:49  Speaker 2:  So I did it sufficiently. If you have 30 mg,
1:09:52  Speaker 2:  you divide it by how many 10 how many sets of 10 or in 3? 3 mils? Well, there's
1:09:58  Speaker 2:  30.
1:09:59  Speaker 2:  So 30 divided by 30
1:10:03  Speaker 2:  is 1. In 10,
1:10:05  Speaker 2:  you will get 1 mg
1:10:07  Speaker 2:  of the drug of both
1:10:09  Speaker 2:  BPC and TB. Perfect. Easy math. Yeah.
1:10:14  Speaker 2:  So
1:10:15  Speaker 2:  I don't know. Some people I tell it to and they're like lost. I don't know. The difference would be Everybody's brain just works differently. Sorry. That's how I do quick math. I don't know. Might be wrong.
1:10:25  Speaker 1:  Get it. I've watched him break these down
1:10:27  Speaker 2:  for a long time. He's good at it. But it works. You're good. I guess I have a way. You're good at it. I don't if that helped at all, but yeah. Oh, yeah. There's calculators. Yeah. And I still use a calculator just to be sure. True that. Okay. That's Big dog. Okay. Hey, guys.
1:10:41  Speaker 2:  I love the content you provide for the community.
1:10:44  Speaker 2:  My question is simple. Can you help shed light on peptides for endurance athletes?
1:10:49  Speaker 2:  Now with that, I'll give you my background. I'm 5 8, 1 90, 10 percent body fat. Right? Used to be a power lifter, but changed lifestyle for longevity.
1:10:57  Speaker 2:  Started running this year, dropped 25 pounds, and completed 1.5 marathons the past 6 weeks to cap off 20 25. Damn. How do your knees feel? Shin. Run 3 times a week and,
1:11:09  Speaker 2:  lift 3 times a week. Push pull legs.
1:11:12  Speaker 2:  My main focus isn't fat loss. It's increasing my endurance and ability to run while not compromising my strength.
1:11:19  Speaker 2:  Have, I have to have fuel to run 25 to 30 miles in a week. Yeah. Hybrid
1:11:25  Speaker 2:  athlete is what I guess is what
1:11:41  Speaker 2:  3 3 2 is gonna be your, like, number 1 kick ass wander and do and yeah. Take that. K? Cargarine,
1:11:50  Speaker 2:  not a peptide.
1:11:52  Speaker 1:  Yeah. But kicks ass for endurance. Just like a peptide. It's kind of gross.
1:11:56  Speaker 2:  It's
1:11:58  Speaker 2:  I mean, I don't know, but sloops awesome.
1:12:01  Speaker 2:  As an endurance athlete, I don't know if it's me, maybe I'm 2 50 and I've ran a lot, but like, damn dude running,
1:12:07  Speaker 2:  I'm hurting. If I do, if I run consistently, especially like on concrete,
1:12:12  Speaker 2:  I'm gonna be hurting. So I will need the Wolverine blend.
1:12:15  Speaker 2:  Yeah. Sure. There's definitely, you might wanna heal yourself. Right? You're gonna get some serious plus any secretagogue.
1:12:20  Speaker 2:  Right? That is gonna help increase your bone
1:12:24  Speaker 2:  density if you get shin splints. Right? It'll help recovery of everything.
1:12:29  Speaker 2:  That's not,
1:12:30  Speaker 2:  you know, direct
1:12:31  Speaker 2:  in endurance,
1:12:33  Speaker 2:  but it'll help you
1:12:35  Speaker 2:  keep competing a little bit longer. And testosterone,
1:12:39  Speaker 2:  just not too much. Not too much at all. Right? You do not there's a reason I don't know. People will argue with this, but, like,
1:12:45  Speaker 2:  you can't be a good
1:12:47  Speaker 2:  NBA player, even NFL player,
1:12:50  Speaker 2:  any of these really endurance heavy sports. You're not doing much steroids. K? People say, oh, yeah, they are. No. They're not.
1:12:56  Speaker 2:  Sorry. I've I've been there. I've known them. I played there, not in the NFL, but I played in high level college. Like, it's not an accept maybe bay baseball? Yes.
1:13:05  Speaker 2:  Golf would be awesome. But,
1:13:07  Speaker 2:  dude, it's just your heart just goes to shit. Your endurance goes to shit. Your muscle you you're you're too strong. Yeah. Yeah. Throw it. You're too strong. You tear all your muscles down. Your tendons your tendons tear. I think I was on gear when I was getting hurt. Absolutely. You're always getting hurt. So for an endurance athlete, like, cool. You can do tests. It's not very much. K. Shit.
1:13:24  Speaker 1:  That's about, I think, all I got right now. Yeah. Those are good. I won't say the same slew. I will just be redundant on that 1 because I think that is gonna be the best 1, but a couple that you didn't, that I I I suggested would be a couple of the mitochondria where it's gonna be fat oxidation would be the 2 we love. Then I know that you, when I say this, you're going know already, it's going to be the MOTS-3.0
1:13:44  Speaker 1:  and the SS-31.
1:13:45  Speaker 1:  So adding those onto what he said would be great because it's going to help with the
1:13:50  Speaker 1:  mitochondria,
1:13:51  Speaker 1:  it's going to help with fat oxidation and it's just gonna get help with the endurance. And if I'm assuming you know what fat oxidation is, your body's using the fat and burning the fat. Why do people do a ketogenic diet or a carnivore type diet?
1:14:04  Speaker 1:  Now, there are few people that would fight against this, obviously, because I've heard them, but like
1:14:08  Speaker 2:  when you're using fat as a fuel, it's a more sustainable fuel. So you don't have these, you know, it's a sustainable fuel. So when you're using the fat as your energy, gonna give you more gas. Oh, yeah, I wanna add something to history. The Mongolian, the Mongol army, right, like back in ancient times, they kicked everybody's ass. Right? 1 of their biggest things, why they kicked so much ass is they didn't have they didn't have a bunch of servants carrying all their grain and all this bullshit. You know what they did? Ate meat. Meat They and they eat a lot of fat. So they all, and they could just ride lean,
1:14:39  Speaker 2:  not carrying a bunch of stuff and were fueled and had a whole bunch of energy that sustained shit out of them. And they could have been eating for a while.
1:14:47  Speaker 2:  This giant, like Chinese army.
1:14:50  Speaker 1:  Yeah. Because they were on a ketogenic diet. You know that what they would do, this is a lot of people don't know this is they would, melt fat and drink it as coffee.
1:14:58  Speaker 2:  Yep. There you go. So we knew they knew that that was energy. It was pure energy. You're drinking fat. Yep. They could make they had cows that they would just yank with them for
1:15:08  Speaker 2:  for milk, you know, not the males.
1:15:12  Speaker 1:  So it's it's, I mean, everything's gonna be a matter of opinion, what you do. Will and I are such advocates for the fact where,
1:15:19  Speaker 1:  you know, do you figure out what works for you? You know, I think most people at this point know I'm a high fat guy. I love it. I love running on fat, but it's not for everybody. Some people don't, like, there's a lot of people that track macros, a lot of people for the glucose, blah, blah, blah. But so final works for you. I think that, we answered that, but, that was that was great, man. Think The other reason for the ketogenic or the other reason for the secretagogs, brother, this is what you said. It's like, you're burning a ton of calories.
1:15:44  Speaker 2:  You don't your biggest goal is not burn fat is to not lose muscle. So secretagogues
1:15:49  Speaker 2:  or real HGH, dude. Especially if you're It's what's gonna protect your muscle. Absolutely.
1:15:53  Speaker 1:  Cool, man. I hope you guys enjoyed that. Now hope you enjoyed.
1:15:58  Speaker 1:  I hope you enjoyed the last 1 with Doctor. Scott. We are going to have
1:16:02  Speaker 1:  Doctor. Tyler on here fairly soon too in the next week or so. We would love some comments. We would love some comments for you guys that saw that. Do you enjoy having the doctors on? We did. We would like to have more on maybe once a month. I think we're gonna do that. And so give us some feedback. We will always ask for the feedback. How did you like it? And give us some subjects
1:16:23  Speaker 1:  that are within the realm of what we do, peptides, testosterone replacement.
1:16:27  Speaker 1:  We've talked about maybe doing, talking about the different proteins,
1:16:32  Speaker 1:  things like that. Is that of something of interest? I think it is because a lot of people ask about that. So we're anything within the realm, it's a peptide podcast, but anything in the realm of that, we would like to hear if you guys would like us to talk about that.
1:16:44  Speaker 1:  Other than that, anything else?
1:16:45  Speaker 1:  That's it. Alright, guys. We'll catch you in next round. Later.