Peptide Q&A #24 – Stacking Peptides, RETA Maintenance, , SLU-PP-332 Mixing, and AOD Gel Issues Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-24-stacking-peptides-reta-maintenance-slu-pp-332-mixing-and-aod-gel-/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:01 Speaker 0: Late night bites with friends, 0:03 Speaker 0: already hard to beat. 0:05 Speaker 0: That 1st too hot bite of fries you couldn't wait for, 0:08 Speaker 0: followed by ice cold Pepsi. 0:11 Speaker 0: Now that hits different. Suddenly, 0:13 Speaker 0: the energy kicks back in, the night goes longer, and the laughs don't stop because Pepsi brings out more flavor, more fun, and more of the moment. Food deserves Pepsi. Grab a Pepsi 0 Sugar today. 0:36 Speaker 1: What is up everybody? Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week Podcast. I'm your host, JD Denham, right next to me and my buddy, my co host William T. Haas. Welcome back. We should have done this yesterday, but we're doing it today. Doing it today. This week has been a little bit of some technical difficulties as we get the podcast room up to par. Yeah. It's taken, there's a couple curve balls that have been thrown at us, but we are here. We're doing it a little late for the 2nd time of the week, but we will be more back We're doing more, to our 1:07 Speaker 2: more technology, 1:08 Speaker 2: more problems. 1:10 Speaker 1: Ain't that the truth? That's how things work. Luckily, we have some people that are smarter than us helping us. 1:15 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You're actually good at tech though. Yeah. So I'll give you that. Me neither. Not so much. But it's been a mix of, yes, construction and, 1:22 Speaker 2: and tech and of course, and like just new things. Like stuff just doesn't 1:27 Speaker 1: work as it's supposed to. I always just like try to find perspective, man. We're sitting in our own podcast room. Laughs pretty damn cool. Yeah, life's cool. 1:35 Speaker 1: Laughs is cool. We never would have thought, but here we are, man. What a cool thing life is. Well, so a little side, side note here, like, you know, you just took 6 years of sobriety. And on Sunday I take 15. 1:48 Speaker 1: So together we have over 20 years of sobriety, which the 1:52 Speaker 1: promises they talk about in Alcoholics Anonymous, not to talk about Alcoholics Anonymous because it's anonymous, but they're 1:59 Speaker 1: real, dude. They are real. When you give back to people, when you, you know, 1 of my favorite quotes from my sponsor was great men help other men succeed. 2:06 Speaker 1: Man, when you do that, it pays dividends, baby. We're living proof. I mean, yeah. Have the work ethic to back it up. But yeah, but no, we only really got the work ethic. 2:17 Speaker 2: Well, maybe through getting sober. Yeah. It's to have a great work ethic. Well, 2:22 Speaker 2: I guess I did lots of uppers in my day to have better work ethic, right? So I could work my ass off, right, 18 hours a day just to make a bunch of money and then spend it all again on drugs to fuel me to work 18 hours and then ended up 5 years later going- 2:42 Speaker 2: the 2nd on drug insanity. 2:44 Speaker 2: I almost would've been better off just playing video games all day long doing But absolutely 2:49 Speaker 2: every I mean, jeez, so many life lessons have been learned. And the truth is that, 2:54 Speaker 2: yes, the more you 2:56 Speaker 2: help people and give Yeah. 2:59 Speaker 2: That is when you I mean, the Bible says it, right? Like, give and you shall receive, right? Like, that's when you actually start 3:06 Speaker 1: getting any gifts, right? The cool thing is tangible things, everybody wants them. You do get some tangible stuff, right? You just you know, everybody wants pretty things. But the things that are priceless are peace of mind, contentment, serenity. 3:20 Speaker 1: Man, you know, when 3:21 Speaker 1: you're living crooked, so to speak, and not living right, 3:25 Speaker 1: you're full of anxiety, you're full of stress, you're full of like, that's your subconscious screaming at you that you're not living up to your potential and you're, you're, you're falling out of line of God's order and everything's just chaos. So when you get things in line and you help people and not expecting anything in return, 3:42 Speaker 1: what you get is peace. 3:44 Speaker 2: You get is peace. 3:46 Speaker 1: We both not had that. Now we have it now, and that's priceless, dude. It is priceless, 100%. That's what keeps I know that I can speak for both of us, because I know you well. I mean, that is, 3:55 Speaker 1: that is, 3:57 Speaker 1: something that kind of keeps us in line to a degree because, man, we've seen people that fall away from, 4:03 Speaker 1: you know, starting to cut corners and stuff like that, and they start to lose that piece. And all of a sudden, man, they got a bottle in their hand again. Absolutely. Awesome. And I mean, all of these lessons that we learned, like, 4:13 Speaker 2: basically live life like that. 4:16 Speaker 2: Decisions, Have 4:18 Speaker 2: to. When 4:19 Speaker 2: faced with a decision, we have to stop and think and go- Let's integrate. What is the absolute, 4:26 Speaker 2: like, right thing to do despite 4:28 Speaker 2: our wants and what may be best for our pocket or or comfort? 4:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. But 4:34 Speaker 2: and it makes life a lot easier. 4:37 Speaker 2: Looking at them. Because you're yeah. Because, I mean, you're not having to, like, I don't know, struggle with 4:43 Speaker 2: with these decisions. You just go, well, that's So, the right thing to like, that's what we're gonna do. And I don't even and there's no debate to that. And that's just, that's how we move forward. I don't care how harmful it is to me. 4:54 Speaker 1: Right. How much thing is the right thing. As 4:57 Speaker 1: much of a pain in the ass it is, but to that, we're doing it. Well, cool, man. Well, happy 6 to you in a couple days. Happy 15 to me. And, 5:05 Speaker 1: man, we've come a long way, man. I've seen, I, I, 5:09 Speaker 1: he didn't see my last day, but I did see his last day when he was running amok and, he ran his truck into a wall. 5:17 Speaker 1: So I was there on his 1st day of surviving. So 5:21 Speaker 1: Done a lot, man. It's been a blessing. I guess the 1st day of sobriety was in jail, but, um- 5:26 Speaker 2: Where's my dog? Yeah. Yes. 5:28 Speaker 2: Everybody had 5:30 Speaker 2: overdosed while driving with my big ass dog in the back and totaled 5:34 Speaker 2: the thing. Woke up getting revived. 5:38 Speaker 2: And luckily I woke up. And then I went to jail. The dog went to jail and my man, like that was the worst thing about it, to be honest, was just trying to get out so I could go get him. 5:48 Speaker 2: And I did. And of course, he's a big dog that is 5:52 Speaker 2: doesn't play well with others when he's scared. And so they had it when I finally like figured out where he was, because it was so hard to just to get any answers. 6:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in like solitary confinement with a muzzle on. Oh, wow. Yeah, I felt bad. Had to catch an Uber. 6:07 Speaker 2: They had like 3 Ubers come. Because you can get you can have dogs in Uber. It's just up to the driver. Uh-huh. I had 3 Uber drivers come, look at us. I'm like, nope. Really? Just drive away. Yeah. 6:18 Speaker 2: But but finally, we got him back. And I mean, to be honest, like, really I'm not cruel to my dog. I'm probably 1 of the nicest 6:25 Speaker 1: dog owners. 6:26 Speaker 1: But yeah, that shit happened. 6:29 Speaker 1: Good story. Come a long way, man. Been a freaking blessing. I know there's a lot of sober people that listen to this podcast. I know because we get a lot of the DMs. So that's 6:36 Speaker 1: our past. That's our story. But man, God is good because we have come a long way and we're sitting on our own podcast. How freaking rad. Promises are real. 6:45 Speaker 1: Today is as always 1 of our favorite episodes because it's the Q and A, we get a little touch of you all. 6:51 Speaker 1: So let's get into it. I always like to give you the honors. You always take the 1st question, so let's continue on that path and let's get into it. Alright. Question 1. How many peptides can 1 stack, 7:01 Speaker 2: and could we be sending too many signals at once? I'm currently on the following. Retta weekly, Tesamorelin 7:08 Speaker 2: nightly, 7:09 Speaker 2: BPC TB, 7:11 Speaker 2: GHKCu, 7:13 Speaker 2: KPV 7:14 Speaker 2: daily. So that's the CLO I'm assuming that's what he means. Right? Probably. 7:19 Speaker 2: MOTS-three 7:20 Speaker 2: every 7:21 Speaker 2: 3 days. Kisspeptin every 2 days. PT-one hundred 41 every 3 days. L carnitine, I work out days. 7:28 Speaker 2: Just sharing my stat. But I've heard you answer questions for other listeners that are on a myriad of peptides, and I'm curious if we're sending way too many signals that compete or drop the efficacy of our peptides, or is this sustainable? 7:41 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Great question. Great So 7:44 Speaker 2: the answer is Well, my answer, 7:48 Speaker 2: I will not pretend like I 7:51 Speaker 2: Everything I say is just like the word word of God and golden, but here's what I think. 7:56 Speaker 2: And 7:57 Speaker 2: everything that you are taking So, yeah, it's possible to take 8:02 Speaker 2: too many things, but that is based on what these peptides, which kind of receptors or metabolic pathways that these specific receptors, 8:11 Speaker 2: or these specific peptides work on. 8:13 Speaker 2: What you have, really nothing is competing. 8:17 Speaker 2: I'd I see absolutely no problem with those. And so, like, there is no way there's not like signals are not getting mismatched 8:25 Speaker 2: because their peptides aren't doing the same thing. Right? You just don't wanna take any redundant 8:30 Speaker 2: peptides. So there'd be no point in taking, you know, 5, 8:34 Speaker 2: HGH secretagogues. 8:36 Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay? That is when 8:39 Speaker 2: signals may get 8:41 Speaker 2: dulled down because you're just they're competing for the same same signaling pathway. But what you're taking, cool. There is no problem. They literally will just enhance each other. Yeah. 8:54 Speaker 2: Yeah. And as far as your, like, sustainability, 8:57 Speaker 2: you know, all of those, 8:59 Speaker 2: frankly, 9:02 Speaker 2: can be even, like, you know, hey. Reta can be taken for a long, long time. 9:08 Speaker 2: And no problem. Tesamorelin, 9:10 Speaker 2: right, the only worry there is, 9:12 Speaker 2: you know, we start we build a little sensitivity to it or really 9:16 Speaker 2: un 9:17 Speaker 2: desensitized to it after a while. So that's why it's saying, hey, maybe 4 months and then take a couple week break or switch to a different secretagogue. 9:25 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like Sermorelin 9:27 Speaker 2: instead of Tesamorelin. 9:28 Speaker 2: Right. 9:30 Speaker 2: But everything else you're taking, dude, is like your PT-one hundred 41, 9:33 Speaker 2: cool. Every 2 days, that's fine. You can take that. You can frankly take that forever. All of this stuff actually can be sustainably taken forever because none of this 9:42 Speaker 1: yeah. There's my answer. Yeah. I just he summed it up pretty well. 9:47 Speaker 1: Your stack, I'm looking at it. It looks great. Could do, 9:51 Speaker 1: you're totally looking good, man. Look at the reel that I posted today on my exact stack. I post that every couple months, just so people know exactly what I take. 10:00 Speaker 1: And I take a lot. 10:02 Speaker 1: It's just the way it is, man. Why? Because I can, and there's not redundancy. 10:06 Speaker 1: You know, if you're taking a Semaglutide 10:09 Speaker 1: and Retatrutide, 10:10 Speaker 1: that would be something that would be silly. So something like that, like he said, if you're taking Sermorelin, 10:14 Speaker 1: Tesamorelin, 10:15 Speaker 1: and CJC, 10:16 Speaker 1: would be silly because they're redundant. 10:19 Speaker 1: But you are looking good. 10:21 Speaker 1: My answer to that is you can take a lot if you want. A lot of it is contingent upon pocketbook. 10:26 Speaker 1: Peptides 10:27 Speaker 1: are gaining in popularity fast because they freaking work. 10:31 Speaker 1: And I'm obviously seeing that you see that. So the answer is you can take a lot if you like it. If your pocketbook 10:37 Speaker 1: allows and you can, 10:39 Speaker 1: you're good to go, man. All 10:41 Speaker 2: right. Yep. 10:43 Speaker 1: Let's see here. 10:45 Speaker 1: Hi, guys. Just got my MRI and have 10:50 Speaker 1: mild bilateral 10:51 Speaker 1: L-four and L-five facet degenerative 10:55 Speaker 1: arthrosis 10:56 Speaker 1: in osteoarthritis 10:58 Speaker 1: affecting the facet joints 11:01 Speaker 1: on both sides of the spine, L-5S-one 11:03 Speaker 1: level. 11:04 Speaker 1: By the end of the workday, my spine is on fire just standing. 11:09 Speaker 1: So basically I'm miserable and that sucks. I just began the Wolverine stack, but I also have Cartilax available. 11:16 Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on Cartilax? 11:18 Speaker 1: Should I run it congruent with the BPC- TB 11:22 Speaker 1: or just run the Wolverine 11:24 Speaker 1: for 8 weeks and see if that alone is sufficient? 11:28 Speaker 1: Age is 52. I'm 190 11:30 Speaker 1: pounds. 11:31 Speaker 1: I'm six'two, good shape, 11:33 Speaker 1: but low motivation 11:35 Speaker 1: for workouts due to pain. Thanks. Man, I know. Oh, it sounds brutal. Man, I've lived some of that stuff. That type of pain, dude, is just, people don't even get it. It freaking is just 11:45 Speaker 2: brutal. Yeah. Yeah, it's brutal. What do wanna take down? We both had, I mean, hell, we both had back surgeries and 11:51 Speaker 2: I even So currently, so I had 2 bulging discs, like herniated discs out that were cutting into my sciatic nerve. And I had the surgery for that. After a year, the nerve finally kinda calmed down a little bit. And 12:05 Speaker 2: most 12:06 Speaker 2: recently, 12:08 Speaker 2: several months ago, man, I, I think I did something like that. I think I was doing bent over rows and 12:13 Speaker 2: it just put me down, like literally like bent. Like I wasn't moving and damn near, didn't get up for like 2 weeks. 12:21 Speaker 2: And I went to the doctor and got an- got a X-ray, MRI, and she told me, and I believe that 12:29 Speaker 2: the arthrosis 12:30 Speaker 2: is- sounded familiar, but basically I have not only- I mean, my discs are good. So those 12:36 Speaker 2: vertebrae, disc, right, herniated out. I have 2 herniated vertebrates now. 12:42 Speaker 2: Okay. And my doctor said, I said, well, what can I do? And the doctor said, just don't lift weights 12:48 Speaker 2: ever again. Wrong answer, doc. I'm like, that's 12:51 Speaker 2: not helpful. Yeah. 12:53 Speaker 2: There's gotta be a better- You're speaking Chinese. I don't What did you say? 12:58 Speaker 2: Happening. But I have realized that I just, I literally can't do any bent over rows. I cannot 13:03 Speaker 2: do that hinge- Oh, bro. With weight. Brutal. That hinge, which I love to do, frankly, like good mornings, 13:09 Speaker 2: you know, straight leg dead lifts, AKA. 13:12 Speaker 2: That was kind of 1 of my favorite things to do. That bent over rows where- Me too. Hinging at the waist, but I can't do that with I have a belt. Anyway, 13:20 Speaker 2: so did we feel you? 13:23 Speaker 2: Here is the- here's what- so BPC TB, 13:27 Speaker 2: absolutely do it, okay? That is going to reduce inflammation. It's gonna promote a whole bunch of like angiogenesis, 13:34 Speaker 2: creating new blood vessels, promote- push a whole bunch of, blood and healing 13:40 Speaker 2: and lowering inflammation to them. Cardalax is interesting. Cardalax is a, bioregulator, 13:47 Speaker 2: and it is not, 13:50 Speaker 2: it is basically like the foreman of the job site. So it is going to tell your body, like, how to rebuild that cartilage 13:58 Speaker 2: better 13:59 Speaker 2: than it. And- 14:01 Speaker 2: is it signaling like, let's build right there and how we build it better. So it's not bringing any new building materials to the party, right, like BPC and TB are. Well, TB is like bringing the workforce. 14:14 Speaker 2: BPC 14:15 Speaker 2: is signaling 14:17 Speaker 2: to heal there also and is allowing your body to build to absorb way more collagen, create more collagen. 14:23 Speaker 2: So it's bringing the building materials. TB-five 100 is bringing the workforce. Cartilox is foremen telling them how to do their jobs better. Why does your body not know how to 14:32 Speaker 2: build cartilage really well? Well, age and stress. Okay? Our body just gets a little bit worse at everything as the older we get and the more stress we have. So I would 100% 14:42 Speaker 2: take Cartilax with it. Like, it it will be a force multiplier. 14:47 Speaker 2: So if you're taking the other things, right, you might as well you really need to now give them extremely good direction 14:55 Speaker 2: of what the hell to do. 14:57 Speaker 2: It's not gonna I'm not gonna tell you, like, this is gonna heal everything, but that's your best chance. And it sounds like you're miserable, and I would just get after it. I would do what I can. 15:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do whatever it takes. So I would absolutely take the Cardallax with those. 15:11 Speaker 1: Yeah. I he already summed that up. My experience with this, most have kind of followed my journey through my back surgery recently, and this 15:21 Speaker 1: was my 5th. I had 3 microdiscectomies 15:24 Speaker 1: and then a fusion, and then I finally just did another microdiscectomy. 15:27 Speaker 1: And they actually took the hardware out of my back from the fusion, which I was a little bit worried about, but I chose a very, very good surgeon. 15:35 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is this. I waited a long time to do the surgery because I was trying to not have another surgery. 15:43 Speaker 1: I was in so much freaking pain. You know, I got a good work ethic, so I was still coming to work. Will saw me, but I was not me. I was 15:51 Speaker 1: freaking miserable, man. I was miserable. 15:54 Speaker 1: I don't know. You don't mention anything about surgery. 15:57 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you straight up my opinion on it. You know, we'll have a different opinion on it, but I'm pro surgery, man. Like, it's either you're going to fix your back and help it a little bit and or you're going be in pain the rest of your life. You know, these compounds are going to be great, 16:11 Speaker 1: but they're not going to fix those types of problems, dude. Like I was injecting a lot of the Wolverine when I had that nerve pain in my leg. It was freaking killing me, dude. I was just trying to find some peace for a few seconds. I was dying. 16:25 Speaker 1: So 16:26 Speaker 1: I would say you look into having surgery and fixing some of the problems if that is possible. Get, you know, interviewed numerous surgeons in my opinions, because some people hit a baseball better, some people don't. So there's good surgeons and there's some that aren't so good. And they, that really does make a difference. 16:43 Speaker 1: Then after, if you do the surgery, you could blast it with a CarLax and more importantly that Wolverine and you will expedite your healing without a doubt. 16:52 Speaker 1: You know, but yeah, these compounds aren't going to heal you that big of a problem, dude. They might give you a little bit of peace, but 16:57 Speaker 2: it is what it is, man. So I would, I would look into having some surgery and fixing the problem, dude. Hope that helps. Yep. I'm pro surgery also. Yep. Maybe because I haven't had any like terrible- I haven't even had like great experiences. I had a surgery where they put metal mesh in my stomach for a hernia. And then when I woke up, they're like, oh, I guess you didn't have a hernia, but we still did that surgery. So, 17:17 Speaker 2: mm-mm. 17:18 Speaker 2: But still I am pro surgery. Like, dude, I don't know. Well That pain's brutal, man. Get out It'll it'll help you. I just won't just fix me. I'll take some some, you know, 17:28 Speaker 2: high short pain right now to fix me faster. All 17:33 Speaker 2: right. 3. 17:34 Speaker 2: I'm not sure where, or when to post Q and A questions, but hopefully you find this. I'm 45 year old female. 17:42 Speaker 2: I started my weight loss journey in 2017, 17:45 Speaker 2: 3 0 5 pounds. I lost 80 pounds on keto and weight lifting 5 to 6 times a week. Damn. You girl. Then install, 17:52 Speaker 2: then stalled. 17:53 Speaker 2: Pretty sure because I wasn't strict anymore. Jumped 17:56 Speaker 2: back and forth from 02:20 to 2 60 pounds for years. I found peptides through my doctor 18:02 Speaker 2: in October of last year, and finally the weight started coming off. Right? I'm on a balanced diet now, but don't, 18:09 Speaker 2: track. And I still weight lift in cardio 5 to 6 times a week. I'm taking RetUp 5 Migs on Friday, 5 Migs on Tuesday, 18:16 Speaker 2: and weigh 188. 18:18 Speaker 2: So from 3 0 5 to 188. 18:20 Speaker 1: That's Stenuation. 18:22 Speaker 1: Is a lot of weight good Wow. For 18:24 Speaker 2: That's awesome. And you're yeah. Especially for a female. It's just harder for you ladies to do that. 18:30 Speaker 2: I'm 8 pounds away from my goal weight. Here comes my question. 18:34 Speaker 2: I'm super scared about maintenance. 18:36 Speaker 2: I don't wanna get off Reta, super scared of the food noise and cravings. How do I titrate 18:41 Speaker 2: down without relapsing? 18:43 Speaker 1: Wow, that was, man, I just, 1st 18:46 Speaker 1: and foremost, I'll take this 1 1st. 18:49 Speaker 1: Good on you. It doesn't matter how you get there, you got there. You were talking about it in the beginning about like keto type diet, 18:57 Speaker 1: and then you fell off and then you gained some of the weight back, right? So the goal that every 1 of us should have is to make this a lifestyle 19:05 Speaker 1: and to kind of stay in regards to diet, diet, diet, diet. 19:10 Speaker 1: Peptides, 19:11 Speaker 1: all the things that we take in regards to supplementation 19:14 Speaker 1: help, but only if your diet is strict and in line. So that's going to be really the base of all of us. Will and I are the same way. So good on you. 19:24 Speaker 1: In regards to being worried about 19:27 Speaker 1: gaining that weight back, it's understandable, man. You have lost a lot of weight, man. I am so stoked for you. 19:33 Speaker 1: Know, in regards to the Red, you can take it for long periods. You know, that 10 is a lot. So definitely, would say start to, as you just said, titrate down. 19:42 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, we haven't talked about this 1, but I would say what, drop it like every couple of weeks, drop it a mg or maybe a 0.5 19:50 Speaker 1: each day, or she does it twice a week. Maybe drop it a mg each 19:55 Speaker 1: 2 weeks and titrate down to the degree where 19:59 Speaker 1: I think you could, with a good diet and having a good living style, I think that you could be perfectly fine with maybe like 20:07 Speaker 1: a MIG Monday, 20:08 Speaker 1: Wednesday, and Friday. 20:10 Speaker 1: That's still fairly low dose compared to where you're at now. 20:15 Speaker 1: As long as you keep that diet up, just that's, you gotta stay strict on the diet. I'm a huge carnivore guy, ketogenic 20:22 Speaker 1: type guy. You've done that. You've obviously had luck with it. 20:26 Speaker 0: So 20:28 Speaker 0: The perfect lunch combo. 20:30 Speaker 0: That 1st bite of your favorite sub followed by ice cold Pepsi. Add a couple of friends, and now that's next level. Suddenly, the laughs get louder, the stories keep flowing, and the food tastes better because Pepsi brings out more flavor, more fun, and more of the moment. 20:46 Speaker 0: Food deserves Pepsi. Grab a Pepsi 0 Sugar today. 20:51 Speaker 1: As long as you keep your diet in line, you should be fine bringing that down. Yeah. You're not as powerful as hell, man. It really is. Yeah. 20:59 Speaker 2: Well, here's the good thing is, like, you you did it the hard way, like, the you know, at the beginning. Like you've built some damn You built some real work ethic- Yeah. And lost a ton of weight, 21:10 Speaker 2: you know, doing, doing it- Old the hard way and doing it old school. So 21:14 Speaker 2: good for you. That should carry you- Literally almost a 100 pounds she did that Absolutely carry over and help you in this journey. Again, yes, like you said, it is about 21:22 Speaker 2: building habits. 21:24 Speaker 2: So how should you tie- and I guess, okay, cool. You wanna do less? Like we all, 21:29 Speaker 2: we all don't wanna do have to, you know, have any crutch at all. So good for you. But you don't necessarily need to come off. Okay? I don't know what the rush is to come off. 21:38 Speaker 2: But I, for sure, don't don't just stop cold turkey. Right? Absolutely wean down. What what JD said is is great. I would just play it by ear. There's 2 ways for you to wean down. It's either by gradually lowering 21:51 Speaker 2: the milligram or, 21:53 Speaker 2: and maybe at the same time, spreading out the doses a bit further. Okay? 21:59 Speaker 2: And go slow, 22:00 Speaker 2: right? Do that. Do what he said. You know, maybe 0.5 a milligram a week, you didn't, but, but hey, if you drop down and wow, the food noise is coming back, like there's no 22:10 Speaker 2: reason, nothing that says you can't bump back up or at least just stay there longer. Okay? And master that food noise. Right? Build your habits and go, okay, this this I can handle and still say no to, to food, right, at this level. And so you go until you feel- 22:27 Speaker 2: till you've mastered that level, then then try to lower it down 1 more time. 22:33 Speaker 2: You know, this is 22:35 Speaker 2: the fear of relapse is not like it's not weakness. This is just your biology 22:40 Speaker 2: telling you what it wants to do. Okay? So 22:43 Speaker 2: you don't need a minute to feel bad, not that you say you are. Yeah. 22:48 Speaker 2: And then you can go just you can go at a real low dose. In fact, it's not even it is acceptable. Let's say you have 22:56 Speaker 2: times of weakness. Let's say you got down to really low, 22:59 Speaker 2: and, 23:00 Speaker 2: I don't know, Christmas is coming up. You're going to vacation. You're like, damn. Everybody's gonna be eating, and I'm really, really worried about it. Cool. Do a little bit more. Okay? There's it's there's actually nothing wrong with you 23:09 Speaker 2: doing just, like, spot checking a little bit more for, you know, a short amount of time, okay, and then drop back down. 23:16 Speaker 2: I know people who do that and who are like, hey. I don't wanna I don't wanna drink this next week. All my friends are gonna be drinking, and they actually will will take a little bit more because it makes them not wanna drink and not be able to drink a bunch. 23:29 Speaker 2: So 23:29 Speaker 2: you're on the right track. You just and keep lifting weights. Okay? What you do not wanna do is if you the less muscle you have, the slower your metabolism is. Okay? 23:39 Speaker 2: The more, you know, I'm six'four, 2 50, and I have a lot of muscle on me, so I don't really need to do cardio. In fact, when I don't eat very when I don't eat well, great, dude. My basal metabolic rate is so high. It's about 2,600 23:52 Speaker 2: calories 23:53 Speaker 2: in any 24 hour period if I was in a coma. All right? So 2,600 calories, my body burns 23:59 Speaker 2: at rest, not moving a single muscle just based on how much muscle I have. Okay? So that burns off a whole lot of bad food that I eat. Right? That makes me way more forgiving. So you're never gonna be the- the- you know, the size that I 24:13 Speaker 2: am with this much muscle, 24:15 Speaker 2: but you can have it necessary- have it equal to your body, right? So keep adding muscle, please. That will help your life. It'll make everything so much easier. It'll help the weight stay off, etcetera. Good job, girl. Keep going. 24:30 Speaker 1: Standing ovation, man. That is a lot of weight. Man, good on you. Good job. 62 year old, 180 pound male, 24:38 Speaker 1: workout every day. I have been using peptides for about 6 months. 24:42 Speaker 1: Do you recommend taking a break for 4 to 6 weeks off after 12 weeks of Tesamorelin, Ipamorelin, 24:49 Speaker 1: or is it okay to start a different, 24:52 Speaker 1: secretagogue? 24:53 Speaker 1: Also, 24:55 Speaker 1: are brakes from NAD and glutathione 24:57 Speaker 1: necessary? 24:58 Speaker 1: Thank you. Great podcast. 25:00 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Awesome. You wanna run that? Yeah, sure. 25:04 Speaker 2: Dude, your thinking is perfect. 25:07 Speaker 2: I would say a I don't know. Hey, 4 to 6 weeks might be a little bit conservative. 25:15 Speaker 2: But yes, we're worried about desensitization. 25:17 Speaker 2: So 1 option is to just take a straight up break. I'd say 4 weeks, okay, of- of not doing anything. Or, 25:25 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe take a 2 week break and then switch to a different GHRH 25:29 Speaker 2: slash GHRP. 25:31 Speaker 2: Yep. Okay. What you just thought is- is perfect. So yes, those are both very good ideas and you should do that. And then run that 1 for 12 weeks and then- then switch- switch back. 25:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. That's absolutely great. NAD, 25:45 Speaker 2: glutathione are not real not like 25:48 Speaker 2: they're not affecting your- your hormones. 25:50 Speaker 2: Okay? And therefore, 25:52 Speaker 2: they- 25:54 Speaker 2: they- they frankly can just be ran 25:56 Speaker 2: year round forever. 25:57 Speaker 2: Some people don't, but those 2 actually can just 26:02 Speaker 2: you can just cruise with them forever safely. 26:05 Speaker 2: Some people stop because they wanna really kinda especially with the NAD, 26:09 Speaker 2: when they when they started again, they really want, 26:12 Speaker 2: I don't know, to feel feel the feel the effects. 26:14 Speaker 2: But, 26:17 Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a personal preference. Totally fine to keep running them forever. 26:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. The glutathione is great. I wanna run that forever too. Probably NAD too. But, like, yeah, I mean, you got it, man. There's so many secretagogues. 26:28 Speaker 1: I would even say you're 62. 26:30 Speaker 1: You could even throw in an HGH, like a Somatropin in the morning. 26:34 Speaker 1: I just think they grow, they do amazing together if you're taking like 1 or 2 IUs of HGH in the morning. Then if you took a secretagog at night, you could change. There's so many different secretagogs 26:45 Speaker 1: that you could take, and you could just change them every 2 months, maybe every 3 months. You know, they work for quite a while. 26:52 Speaker 1: NAD, 26:53 Speaker 1: I think that you're, you know, at your age, I think it's great to do that. You could even throw in a GHK- 26:59 Speaker 1: skin, hair, nails. That would be a good addition to what you're running there. But 27:03 Speaker 1: we'll answer that. You're good to go, man. You can take these things for long periods. I plan on taking peptides forever, so they are amazing. So why would I stop? You know I mean? Yeah. I think you're up. Okay. Yeah. So, yep, I ordered SLU-three 32, and when I reconstituted it, it didn't dissolve very well in the backwater. 27:22 Speaker 2: I can still see the very small particles. Is that normal? I read online to use DMSO solution for SLU-two. 27:28 Speaker 2: Is that true? And how would I go about to make a reconstitution with d DMSO? 27:33 Speaker 2: Set up your alley on this 1. Yeah. Yeah. I would say do not use the DMSO. It's way too powerful. And, I mean, I think that you're referring to making like a skin salu so DMSO 27:44 Speaker 2: is a very strong and, like, unforgiving solvent. And oftentimes people will mix it and then put it on their skin. And so it allows everything to absorb into through your skin into your body. What the problem is it works way too well. Okay? So 27:59 Speaker 2: you're usually gonna just get way too much of the drug. And also, 28:03 Speaker 2: who knows, man, what what is in the particles in the air that you're around? 28:09 Speaker 2: It is that strong that anything else that you might be dealing with, if you have your Windex, right, that you just sprayed 28:16 Speaker 2: and it's still sitting next to you, I worry about that Windex 28:20 Speaker 2: soaking right into your skin and into your bloodstream. 28:23 Speaker 2: That's an example. Right? But apply that to a whole bunch of different places. DMSO, I wouldn't do it. So yes, it is normal. So SLU-3P is hydrophobic. 28:31 Speaker 2: It's 1 of those that that really does not like water. And small particulates floating from the So basically you put in water and it's just not mix dissolving completely. 28:41 Speaker 2: Okay? 28:43 Speaker 2: That is normal and okay. It is not ruined. You still can 28:48 Speaker 2: inject it. Use it. It actually won't really affect the it it won't even affect the efficacy of the peptide. 28:55 Speaker 2: Now why did it do that? Yes. Yes, that's normal. But here's a couple strategies to help is, 29:01 Speaker 2: 1st of all, everybody I would suggest, and we've told you the opposite of this before in way, way past. 29:08 Speaker 2: I would always use your backwater or whatever reconstitution solution you're using. 29:13 Speaker 2: I would mix that at room temp. 100%. Okay? So the water room temp, cool. Refrigerate your peptides. Right? Pull that out, but put room temp water in. Has anybody else, 29:25 Speaker 2: anytime I have ever mixed powder, I think back throughout my life of mixing BCAAs 29:30 Speaker 2: or 29:31 Speaker 2: hell, lemonade, I don't know, into ice water, it doesn't mix very well. It's a lot harder to mix. Right? You're like, damn, I gotta keep stirring this thing. Right? Why isn't it mixing? Well, this 29:42 Speaker 2: is the same principle. We're putting 29:44 Speaker 2: your if you try to put really cold water into powder, it just does not mix very well. So warmer 29:50 Speaker 2: water and you absolutely. I mean, swirl it around. Right? 29:54 Speaker 2: Worst case, you can even put the needle in there, draw a little bit of water, and just kinda gently just blow some water back in to get this thing to mix. 30:03 Speaker 2: Don't let it just sit 30:04 Speaker 2: forever, right? Even daily kind of just 30:07 Speaker 2: swirl it like that, but it's normal. It won't affect it. Those are some suggestions, but I would absolutely 30:13 Speaker 2: room temp water. Everybody do not put cold water in. 30:16 Speaker 1: Don't cold We at 1 time thought it was cold and we did that for years. I've mixed cold water in my HGH for a long time. And, you know, we are always works in progress. We are always studying and we, you know, a lot of people that are into this, this, 30:28 Speaker 1: area as well, and we improve. I mean, I think we've been saying warm water for about a year, give or take. But if you looked at the very beginning of the podcast, 30:36 Speaker 1: we talk differently. We always grow. So you didn't know, now you know. Warm, room temperature water. Keep my water 30:43 Speaker 1: out, you know, by my desk. Then when I mix it, there you go. But I used to keep it in the fridge. I no longer do that. There you go. And it didn't, for the most part, right, 90% of everything, it doesn't actually matter. Yeah. So 90% of the powder, like 90% 30:55 Speaker 2: of these just mixed perfectly. 30:57 Speaker 2: Cold, cold or room temp AOD-1. 30:59 Speaker 2: AOD-ninety percent flu, That flu, exactly. So the few that it does matter, 31:04 Speaker 2: yes, do it right. Also, try to add more water. There is nothing wrong. Like, let's say you put 2 mils in there, and it's like, damn, they're still particulates. Okay. 31:13 Speaker 2: Then 31:13 Speaker 2: take another mil of room temp water and put it in there. More water with less powder makes it 31:21 Speaker 2: mix better. Now you'll have to redo the math in your brain, 31:26 Speaker 2: but to decide that, okay, now how much milligrams are you actually giving yourself 31:30 Speaker 2: per 31:32 Speaker 2: milliliter per 10 units or however, it's pretty easy. There's peptide calculators everywhere that will just really help you out with that. 31:39 Speaker 1: Yep. Here you go. Or you could do the sublingual, 31:41 Speaker 1: SLU-1s that's what I prefer. And I'm an injectable guy, but the SLU-1s are my favorite. So maybe try that. 31:48 Speaker 1: All right. Hey guys, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I would like to know if any other peptides similar to GLP-1s 31:56 Speaker 1: that can reduce appetite, 31:58 Speaker 1: food cravings, and facilitate 32:00 Speaker 1: a good, healthy diet. 32:02 Speaker 1: I don't want to lose more fat, but I'm struggling to keep a good diet. 32:06 Speaker 1: I heard about a peptide in oral form that could help. I heard about a peptide in oral form that could hurt up. 32:14 Speaker 1: I think you're talking about Tesofensine. 32:16 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's what you're talking about. Because I know without even asking you, think we're both going to say Tesofensine. 32:21 Speaker 1: We've actually done a cast on that. That 1 got dinged, actually. It got taken down from YouTube, we don't know why. So if you can't find it, 32:29 Speaker 1: you can find it on the podcast, the Apple, or the Spotify. But we did dig into Tesofensine 32:35 Speaker 1: and kind of went through that. Will loves it. I hate it. A lot of people use it in regards to that. It's good for appetite suppressant and things like that. My question would be, if your 32:46 Speaker 1: question 32:47 Speaker 1: is driven from the fact where you think you're not going to be able to get the GLP-1s, 32:51 Speaker 1: I don't think you need to worry about that. I know there's been some talk about 32:55 Speaker 1: laws changing and things like that. I don't know if that is where your question kind of came from, but I don't think you need to worry about that. I'm going to tell you Retta over Tesofensine 10 times out of 10, but there are people that love that Tesofensine, man. They just love it. So if you've never tried it, maybe give it a shot because it does 33:15 Speaker 2: help with appetite suppression quite a bit. Works in a little bit different way. So- I'm assuming that's what they're talking about, like an oral form. Yeah. I would think so. Yeah. Now, and Tesofensine is not a peptide. Let's just all be sure that we're clear on that, but whatever. So it's not a peptide, but absolutely it's a oral. It's like, it's basically a triple antidepressant. 33:35 Speaker 2: And what it is doing, as opposed to GLP-1s, 33:38 Speaker 2: what they're doing is they're literally just slowing your digestion out and And so you, 33:44 Speaker 2: you feel fuller 33:45 Speaker 2: longer because you are. Right? Your food hasn't moved this far down the intestines. Right? It's only moved this far. So your brain goes, well, I'm still full. Yes, you are. 33:55 Speaker 2: Plus with semaglutide, gizepatide, the side effect is massive nausea. Well, more with semaglutide, and that really cuts down on food noise. Okay? Because if you think about eating and you wanna throw up, that sure makes you not wanna eat. Is anybody still doing semaglutide? No. No. But and and so we know, right, Glutide is gonna be really heavy on the 34:14 Speaker 2: killing the des- the appetite, the food noise, desire to actually want any food. 34:19 Speaker 2: Right? He strong. He feels so- Tresempatide, 34:22 Speaker 2: a little bit less strong, and Retta, the least strong. But Retta is gonna be the best by double for actual 34:29 Speaker 2: fat burning and other benefits, right, and, 34:33 Speaker 2: and doing what it's actually supposed to do, which is make you feel full and have no 34:38 Speaker 2: have no, nausea. So Tesofensine 34:42 Speaker 2: works in a on your brain. It literally just basically tells you it's make your body your brain isn't looking for any dopamine spikes through food or any other pathways. Right? Because it's just making you feel essentially content. 34:56 Speaker 2: So you don't not and believe it or not, right, we're not always eating just for sustenance, 35:02 Speaker 2: for survival, right? We eat most of the time, frankly, especially at night or sweets, we're eating for brain happiness. A munchie. And Tesofensine 35:10 Speaker 2: like solves that problem. And it really does work. It works. I love it actually. It gives me good, clean energy, 35:17 Speaker 2: because it's increasing. It is a slight antidepressant. So it's giving you more dopamine, more motivation, 35:23 Speaker 2: and more serotonin, more norepinephrine, and more dopamine. It's a triple, 35:28 Speaker 2: reuptake inhibitor. 35:29 Speaker 2: So try that. 35:31 Speaker 2: I would try that. I love that stuff. He just dislikes it. It depends on your brain chemistry, how you react. You know? So not everybody is gonna is gonna love it. 35:40 Speaker 2: You know, I even heard and have had people take 35:43 Speaker 2: is naltrexone. 35:45 Speaker 2: Naltrexone 35:46 Speaker 2: is what they give to like opiate addicts 35:50 Speaker 2: to put a force field around their opiate receptors, and it blocks those receptors from 35:55 Speaker 2: receiving any opiates. But it also 35:57 Speaker 2: reduces 35:58 Speaker 2: cravings for Well, it was developed It was actually developed for alcoholics, but, because they work on the same receptors. But 36:06 Speaker 2: it reduces cravings for drugs and for food. So people have started using it, 36:11 Speaker 2: yes, as a anti food craving. I still would prefer Tesofensine 36:16 Speaker 1: and OVA. So even though like Reta, so you're talking about like some of the changing of cravings and whatnot. I don't know. I can't speak for Tesofensine because I've only taken it for 3 days and I hated it. But registry type will change some cravings. Not only can I tell you from this experience, but experience with hearing from numerous people? I don't know if the question is based upon that you don't want to inject, 36:37 Speaker 1: and that might be some of the basis of the question, you're just looking for an oral, so Tesofensine would fill that. 36:43 Speaker 1: And we've 36:44 Speaker 1: thrown around a couple ideas of maybe some oral GLP-1s. 36:48 Speaker 1: They're out there, and we've talked about it. So they might be out there and coming, you know? So maybe you can look into that too, because GLP-1s will be in oral form. They are already, but not really widely. But, 36:58 Speaker 1: they're they might be coming. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Here's me. 37:03 Speaker 2: Yes. 37:04 Speaker 1: If you haven't already, explain 37:06 Speaker 2: or show your core ab oblique workout routine. Doesn't just want to see you right now. They're talking about you. 37:13 Speaker 1: No. I actually have. So, most people don't know when I started the channel, 37:18 Speaker 1: I actually was thinking YouTube was going to be where I chased after. And so I did HIIT trainings, 37:24 Speaker 1: like 2 a week. 37:26 Speaker 1: And I have, if you scroll through my YouTube channel at the bottom, I have probably 35 37:32 Speaker 1: HIIT training workouts, 37:33 Speaker 1: and about 37:34 Speaker 1: 6 or 7 of them might be like a 10 to 15 minute ab workout. 37:38 Speaker 1: So you'll find that on there. And I have ab workouts that are not 1 single sit ups that, will rip your stomach. So there's oblique stuff in there. There's ab stuff in there. And, you know what I'll do? I'll actually post some of those on my Instagram 37:50 Speaker 2: and kind of bring them back to life so you guys can see that. There you go. Yep. Nice. All right. I got them up. Hey, guys. Just sharing my recent experience. Maybe it helps with data for the podcast. 38:01 Speaker 2: I'm on Dessa, 38:02 Speaker 2: 1 mgs at 1 mgs a day. I've been managing well with water retention with clean diet, exercise, electrolytes, compression socks, 38:09 Speaker 2: all going well until I had a night out last night and had more than 1, just 1 glass of wine. What I usually do on weekends, let's just say, oh, I had a bottle of champagne. 38:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. When I got home, I was already, 38:21 Speaker 2: I was already with the worst crazy swelling legs and feet. It's really bad. Like I'd never seen them before. They got me scared just sharing this. 38:31 Speaker 2: While on GH peptides, not a good idea to abuse alcohol 38:35 Speaker 2: even if just for 1 day. 38:37 Speaker 2: Agreed. True. True. True story. Yep. That's very true. What you experience is not a random reaction. 38:43 Speaker 2: True. This is a like 38:45 Speaker 2: real storm of physiology. Like, that was I could yes. I can tell you that that is going to happen. Right? When we 38:52 Speaker 2: drink, it 1st dehydrates 38:54 Speaker 2: us, but then we rebound into massive water retention. Okay? 38:59 Speaker 2: As you know from anybody looking at some like late stage alcoholic or some, you know, they're just bloated yeah. And 39:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. So so duh. And we also know that Tesamore well, that these GH secretagogues 39:12 Speaker 2: can 39:14 Speaker 2: increase some water retention based on their, like, sodium handling. 39:18 Speaker 2: And it's- 39:21 Speaker 2: in that hell if we're having but I will say, though, that the fact that just by taking Tesamorelin, you're already needing to wear compression socks, 39:28 Speaker 1: I would 39:30 Speaker 2: I wish they would have said their weight and their age. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would help. Like, I feel like 39:35 Speaker 2: the normal person just doing Tesamorelin shouldn't 39:38 Speaker 2: really shouldn't be 39:40 Speaker 2: having to manage that 39:42 Speaker 2: that water retention so hard. Now maybe I got you wrong, but 39:46 Speaker 2: but you may have something else going on 39:50 Speaker 2: that is just really attributing to water retention for you because because yeah. Just doing a mg of of Tesamorella, which is a decent which is a pretty darn good dose, 40:01 Speaker 2: you shouldn't need to be really working really that hard to manage it. 40:07 Speaker 1: But everybody's different. So it's like- Yeah, so like when you're gonna drink, if you say you're gonna do this on a weekend basis, just don't take the Tesamorelin during the weekend, for sure. That'll help. And, I would hydrate the hell out you, man. Drink a lot of, 40:20 Speaker 1: water with Celtic salt and just really get your body hydrated before you go out drinking. You're talking to 2 sober guys, man, maybe just cut out the drink. There's nothing, even though you're talking about 2 recovering drug addicts, alcohol is way worse than drugs, man. Alcohol is a doozy for your body, man. It just especially as you age, it is not good for your body. It does not like it. Yeah. I mean, hell, even though I like drugs more, I still had some I mean, I was 40:47 Speaker 2: there was some bad times. Like, I Of course. At 1 point, I had a job where I had to wear dress shoes and 40:53 Speaker 0: The perfect lunch combo. 40:55 Speaker 0: That 1st bite of your favorite sub followed by ice cold Pepsi. Add a couple of friends, and now that's next level. Suddenly, the laughs get louder, the stories keep flowing, and the food tastes better because Pepsi brings out more flavor, more fun, and more of the moment. 41:11 Speaker 0: Food deserves Pepsi. 41:13 Speaker 0: Grab a Pepsi 0 Sugar today. 41:17 Speaker 2: I like towards the end, I couldn't even fit my feet in the dress shoes. Totally. Was just yeah. So 41:23 Speaker 2: had such bad edema. 41:25 Speaker 2: Damn, dude. So, yeah, I'm But in 41:29 Speaker 2: that's not like what you were describing 41:31 Speaker 2: person. But, 41:33 Speaker 2: yeah, that it's not that bad of a day. So you have to do you do these injections daily because it's so fast acting. And therefore, if you just don't do them, like, on Saturday, Sunday, 41:42 Speaker 2: it will get out of you considerably and not cause that water retention. So if you feel like drinking, maybe it's a good idea to just not do your do your injections. It's not the end of the world. You get back on them Monday. 41:52 Speaker 1: A of people think that we can talk to people do 5 days on, 2 days off anyway. 41:56 Speaker 2: Mostly, like, really I mean, the only reason you really wanna do that is just to kind of save money. Like, that's a common, 42:01 Speaker 2: like, thing with HCG. It's like, oh, I need to do 5 days on, 2 days off. Why is that true? Like, no. That that serves absolutely no purpose other than 42:09 Speaker 2: elongating the HCG that you have and saving you a little bit of money. But daily is better. Let's do that. All right. You are. 42:18 Speaker 1: I'm up. All right. Hi, JD. This is the right place to send a question for Peptide of the Week. Yes, it is. 42:25 Speaker 1: If not, I apologize. My question is regarding the stack I have my husband on. He is 46 years old, 42:33 Speaker 1: goal to lose weight, 40 to 50 pounds, 42:37 Speaker 1: and keep muscle. 42:38 Speaker 1: Works 4 to 6 days workout 4 to 6 days a week. Diet is decent. Everybody says decent. It's Okay. Decent, 42:47 Speaker 1: but have room for improvement. I have been giving him a Retrushootide, 42:51 Speaker 1: BPC, 42:52 Speaker 1: TB, GHKCu, 42:54 Speaker 1: which is Glow, 42:56 Speaker 1: and Tesamorelin 42:57 Speaker 1: for about a month now. 42:59 Speaker 1: I have Ipamorelin, 43:00 Speaker 1: SS-thirty 43:01 Speaker 1: 1, MOTS-three, and NAD on the way and 43:06 Speaker 1: will be starting them soon. My question is, 43:09 Speaker 1: I keep seeing people on Reddit 43:12 Speaker 1: say that taking Tesamorelin 43:14 Speaker 1: when you are 45 43:15 Speaker 1: is useless and to switch to HGH. 43:18 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this? And should I switch them to HGH 43:21 Speaker 1: and or testosterone? 43:24 Speaker 1: And or testosterone. Okay. Well, that's a big jump. Thank you and Will for all that you guys are doing. I'm constantly listening to the podcast episodes on repeat and learn something new each time. You guys rock. Thank you for that. We love that, man. We are continuing to be blown away by everybody's kind words, and we love that stuff. So thank you for that. It means a lot to us. It really does. 43:48 Speaker 1: I'll answer this 1 1st. I don't know. Retit, I would stay a little bit 43:53 Speaker 1: take that with a grain of salt. 43:55 Speaker 1: 45 is when you should be doing that. I would definitely say take both. I'm a big fan of taking both. I'm 48 years old. I take HGH in the morning. 44:04 Speaker 1: I take II IU. I don't ever go above that. I don't personally think that we need it. II IU is perfect. 44:11 Speaker 1: So I take that in the morning, and then I am always switching my secretagogues 44:15 Speaker 1: at night. I just, for the 1st time, I've never been a CJC Ipamorelin guy, but I just started that in the last month. 44:22 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm running 44:24 Speaker 1: right now. You can see it because I just posted something today that I'm running CJC Ipamorelin at night. So I take an HGH in the morning and then a secretagog at night, and I move the secretagogs around every 90 days or so. 44:38 Speaker 1: So yeah, that is my answer to that. Now, when it comes to the testosterone, 44:42 Speaker 1: we just made a big jump because we're talking about peptides. Now we're talking about hormones. 44:46 Speaker 1: And if your husband is not on testosterone, 44:49 Speaker 1: we need to get his blood work done. Where's his blood work? When it comes to testosterone, 44:54 Speaker 1: I want to see where his blood work is, where his testosterone's 44:56 Speaker 1: at, where his free testosterone's at, where his estrogen's at? Those are going to answer that. My opinion with working with both of us, hundreds and hundreds of men, 45:06 Speaker 1: most men, especially over 40, with a lot of the living styles, food that we eat, on and on and on, their testosterone levels have just absolutely plummeted to just scary levels. I'm assuming your husband would be like that, 45:20 Speaker 1: know, especially if his diet's so so. 45:23 Speaker 1: I would imagine his testosterone is going to be low. That 1 in particular will be a changing of his life. If he is non testosterone, has low testosterone in 3 weeks, he will feel like a different human, 45:34 Speaker 1: literally. That will change his life alone, just that. 45:38 Speaker 1: So yeah, get his blood work done, see where his testosterone's 45:41 Speaker 1: at. If it's at 300 or lower, which a lot of men are, 45:45 Speaker 1: 100% 45:46 Speaker 1: get on testosterone. 45:48 Speaker 1: Where the levels should be, that's going to be between you and a doctor. I like to be around 900 give or take 45:55 Speaker 1: for my total test and give or take like 45 for my free test. Those are what I have seen with a lot of trial and error have worked 46:03 Speaker 1: the best for my energy, sex drive, 46:06 Speaker 1: and just constant energy throughout the day, but it's taken me a long time to know those numbers. 46:11 Speaker 1: So I hope that helps. What do you got? Yeah. 46:15 Speaker 2: So 46:17 Speaker 2: you're a good, cool wife. 46:20 Speaker 2: You're like you you keep referring to, like, you're You're your like, that's awesome, man. You're, like, supportive. And, usually it's the husband like Take this, honey. Asking the wife, can I please take this? 46:30 Speaker 2: So good for you. That's that's badass. So the Tesamorelin at 45, I don't know. People are tripping. Like, that 46:37 Speaker 2: is so Makes no sense. Yeah. It makes no sense. Now maybe if so Tesamorelin tells your pituitary, your natural process to, hey, let's try it. Let's make more. Now Why would that be bad? Your now as we get older, if your natural process is, like, shot and not working at all, 46:56 Speaker 2: then potentially 46:57 Speaker 2: it can't be waken woken up, and then it's a waste of money. Okay? So 47:02 Speaker 2: but 47:03 Speaker 2: at 45 and you still my guess is that is not the case at all. Like, we're not at 45. Like, life isn't over. That is not when people's 47:12 Speaker 2: normal HGH 47:13 Speaker 2: just like stops working. So they're tripping. Absolutely, I would do it. 47:18 Speaker 2: And I would, you know yeah. Testosterone, 47:21 Speaker 2: everybody's different, but for sure, at 45, I would, you know, get some- get a blood test. Put money on it. He should be over just, I know JD said, hey, if you're over 300, definitely do it. I would 47:33 Speaker 2: it's a personal decision, but I'd say if you're 47:37 Speaker 2: under 5, 600 47:39 Speaker 2: nanograms per deciliter, that's what we're looking for is the actual, like, blood test reading, 47:43 Speaker 2: then absolutely. His life will change and your life will change. 47:47 Speaker 2: He'll be way nicer and 47:50 Speaker 2: Not tired. Horny and 47:53 Speaker 2: sleep better. Feel 47:54 Speaker 1: good. We you know, mood. Yeah. 47:57 Speaker 2: She's like, oh, okay. 47:58 Speaker 2: And everything else is- Sounds great. Everything else sounds great. SS-31MODC, 48:02 Speaker 1: we are, and NAD, those 3 together are just, they're gonna light a fire in his mitochondria, and they're going to really give him cellular energy. Those are great. I know we're big fan of And those the more weight he loses, so he needs to lose 40 to 50 pounds, like, good, Retta. Good. Did she say Retta in there? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Good. So good, Retta. 48:19 Speaker 2: Life is gonna just get better and better. The test is gonna work better and better the more weight he loses. Right? That's the that's the key. The problem is the more fat we have, the more estrogen we have, and the worse we feel and the less testosterone we have. 48:32 Speaker 2: And it's a vicious cycle that just keeps going like that until you actually do something drastic to change that cycle. 48:39 Speaker 2: So 48:40 Speaker 2: it sounds like you're doing all, and I would let's go aggressive. You know? He's 45. He's got a whole 0.5 life to live. Yeah. 48:47 Speaker 2: Go make it make it good and make it good for you and him. All right? 48:51 Speaker 2: Okay. Good stuff. Alright, guys. 1st, thank you for what you're doing. It's hard to sort through the BS these days, but you guys are the real deal, sharing your knowledge for the greater good. 49:00 Speaker 2: You're helping thousands of people you'll never know and for that you deserve whatever good fortune and good karma comes your way. Right back at you. I'm five'four. 49:09 Speaker 2: I'm 54. 49:11 Speaker 2: Five'ten, 175. An avid mountain biker focused on the gravity discipline, 49:16 Speaker 2: suits your core full body endurance, strength, and power. In the winter, I focus on gym work, which are mostly full body HIIT workouts. Sweet. This year, I'm dealing with debilitating 49:25 Speaker 2: tennis elbow. Yeah, bummer. 49:28 Speaker 2: Minor shoulder problems, nothing new, a meniscus pain in both knees. Had my right knee repaired last winter and left is currently asking for it. Shit. Last week, for the 1st time, I started 1 mg, 49:39 Speaker 2: BPC-one hundred 57 per day and 5 49:43 Speaker 2: g a week of the TB-five hundred in split doses. I'll run that for 6 weeks. During the riding season, I need endurance, power, and strength 49:51 Speaker 2: while burning a bit of fat. Hey, I still like looking good at the beach. Yes. 49:55 Speaker 2: But fast muscle recovery is crucial. Joint repair will be needed as well. My dream stack, think, would be CJC-1.3 I'm Rellin with BPC- TB. But sadly, my budget's limited. 50:05 Speaker 2: If you had to pick 2 of those 4 peptides for my in season stack, 50:10 Speaker 2: which would you run and how much? I'm wondering if once I'm done with this 6 weeks of Wolverine, 50:15 Speaker 2: the GH stack, that would be enough 50:18 Speaker 2: recovery support to get me through, or should I mix 50:21 Speaker 2: 1 GH with 1 of the Wolverine peptides to get both aspects working together? Oh, yeah. Yeah. 50:29 Speaker 1: I mean, I take a ton of those, the Wolverine. I dropped it today and 50:35 Speaker 1: I was, I continue to be blown away by that particular compound. I love the Wolverine. I think that, if that would probably be, if I had to choose 1, that would be the 1. There's some guys out there throwing out that blends don't work and all that stuff. Listen, 50:50 Speaker 1: whatever. 50:51 Speaker 1: You can take them separate if you want. You know, if you all have those guys that are saying that stuff, I would ask you, do they sell peptides? 50:58 Speaker 1: They make more money when they sell them separate, just so you know. I'm not accusing. I'm just saying maybe that's the case because I'm telling you with 100% certainty, with personal experience, the blends work. 51:08 Speaker 1: So the Wolverine, 51:10 Speaker 1: I take on a daily basis, 51:13 Speaker 1: and here's why. I have rips in both shoulders, 51:16 Speaker 1: and there's no way in hell I'm not going to lift weights. It's just part of my life, And those help without a doubt. I used to not even be able to raise my arm above my shoulder until I started taking the Wolverine. So now both, I do even dumbbell 51:32 Speaker 1: incline presses. I've never had done those in years. And that's because of the Wolverine, 51:35 Speaker 1: literally. 51:37 Speaker 1: And then for me, 51:38 Speaker 1: like I've talked about numerous times, I've had back surgeries. So what I'm trying to do to stay ahead of the curve with that is I am injecting the Wolverine in my back. 51:47 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll do the Tri Hill because it has more TB, you know, and, that does a lot more, I think, in longevity in regards to the stem cells and whatnot. But anyways, 51:57 Speaker 1: TB and BPC 51:58 Speaker 1: in my back, I'm doing it on a daily basis just to try to maybe stay ahead of the curve. And I don't want to have another surgery, obviously. 52:06 Speaker 1: So I think these types of things will help. So to answer your question, 52:11 Speaker 1: I think that you can take them. You sound like you're like us. You're going to work out till the day you die. It's your lifestyle. 52:17 Speaker 1: I can tell by how you're questioning and what you wrote in there, right? I love it. So you don't need to take them for only 6 weeks, especially those 2, the BPC and the TB-five 52:27 Speaker 1: hundred, I'll take them forever. 52:29 Speaker 1: As we age, man, take them forever. So you don't need to do that. Now, when it comes to the secretagogue, 52:34 Speaker 1: those are great because as we age, 52:37 Speaker 1: you know, just like testosterone, our body doesn't make as much growth hormone. So like I've answered in other questions, I would even take actual, like, somatropin in the morning, like actual HGH. 52:47 Speaker 1: It's just done wonders for my life in particular. 52:49 Speaker 1: The testosterone replacement and HGH for me are just staples. They just are staples. 52:56 Speaker 1: And then you can take a secretagog at night. You know, again, as we age over 40, 53:01 Speaker 1: I think the HGH in the morning and the secretagog at night is golden. I just love it. 53:07 Speaker 2: To answer that, I think I've got that. Yep. What do you what's your take? So the main question, dude, I don't know. You said 53:12 Speaker 2: budget's tight, which should I choose? Okay. So 1st 1 was like, do I should I what would you do in season? 53:19 Speaker 2: TB the Wolverine, right, or CGC-1MQ? 53:22 Speaker 2: Personally 53:23 Speaker 2: Wolverine. I would do the Wolverine. 100%. I just know my body. Like, if I am if I am recovering 53:30 Speaker 2: and not inflamed and not in pain, 53:32 Speaker 2: I can do pretty well. But there's, 53:36 Speaker 2: you know, there's 53:38 Speaker 2: if you're in that much pain, there's certain things you just are not performing. I'm sorry. It's it's just not gonna happen 53:45 Speaker 2: as you want it to. The performance enhancing benefits 53:49 Speaker 2: of the CJC Imprimorelin 53:52 Speaker 2: aren't as great to nearly outweigh the effect that, yeah, the no inflammation and less pain would give you. K? 54:01 Speaker 2: So that's what I would do. I wish you had more money so you could do both because I absolutely would do both. Then, you know, I guess I would, 54:08 Speaker 2: yeah, safely do those. I'd probably rather take real HGH when you do, put in the CGC 12 95 IPA. 54:30 Speaker 2: Stuff and you're on the right track, man. 54:33 Speaker 2: And so, 54:34 Speaker 2: yeah, keep going. How's your testosterone? Yeah. You don't, if you're not taking tests and you're 54, like, that'll help. For you as an endurance athlete, you're gonna wanna take a, like, a very small amount, right, to stay lean and and and have good endurance, 54:50 Speaker 1: but it'll help a lot. You got it. Good stuff. Alright. Take us home, big dog. Last reconstituting 54:56 Speaker 2: AOD, which I've done numerous times. I utilize acetic acid backwater. During my last reconstitution, 55:01 Speaker 2: mix sure ever so slightly gelled up on a subsequent day, but it promptly returned to its liquid state after being vigorously rolled in the palms. Are there any other recommendations regarding the temperature of the AA backwater? 55:12 Speaker 2: Yes. There you go. Such as cold or room temp. What would be beneficial? Additionally, is it acceptable to run the AOD after this reconstitution? 55:20 Speaker 2: As a bonus question, could you provide some insights into the limitless nasal 55:24 Speaker 2: blend? 55:25 Speaker 2: Alright. So 100%. 55:27 Speaker 2: My guess is that that finally, 55:30 Speaker 2: like, un gelled because of the warmth in your hands. Right. 55:36 Speaker 2: And yes, dude. So 55:38 Speaker 2: priority 1 is room temp water. K? Acetic acid backwater, good for you. That is exactly what you should be using with 55:45 Speaker 2: AOD and 55:47 Speaker 2: but put it in at room temp and still, 55:50 Speaker 2: you know, still be you should be mixing around rolling rolling AOD in daily, and you should be using it pretty fast. You can't even you really can't even expect to mix even the acetic acid backwater 56:02 Speaker 2: and then make that AOD 56:05 Speaker 2: 5 mg last a month. Okay? It's just not gonna stay in a liquid form for that long. So use it, and use it as you're supposed to, which makes it be gone on a couple weeks. 56:18 Speaker 2: All right? That is awesome. And it's awesome. And, oh, yeah, absolutely. It's a 100% safe to use now. 56:23 Speaker 2: If it had a little gelling problem, you got it to ungel, go ahead. Use it. Great. I do it all the time. No problem whatsoever. 56:29 Speaker 2: Even if it was gelled, let's say, let's say there was a little bit of gel at the bottom, right, use all the liquid. 56:35 Speaker 2: I always do Do it. It so many times. Don't care. It's not gonna be bad for you at all. It'll work. 56:42 Speaker 2: Limitless nasal I think I know so that is a mix of Cmax and Selank. 56:48 Speaker 2: Okay. 56:49 Speaker 2: And Semax is giving you energy. They're both nootropics 56:55 Speaker 2: and nasal spray because it just works a lot better right there, nose to brain. 57:01 Speaker 2: Semax is a will give you energy. It will give you more energy and clarity of thought, whereas Selank 57:07 Speaker 2: will actually give you clarity of thought, but a little bit more relaxed calm without, like, not drooling on yourself sleepy calm, right, not a Xanax calm, but that is but that's the goal. Right? So you can still perform. 57:20 Speaker 2: I wouldn't go in some high level competition and do a bunch of Selank right before, okay, because it may slow you down a little bit, but for the average person. 57:29 Speaker 2: And why 57:30 Speaker 2: would we mix those 2 together? Right? It 57:33 Speaker 2: seems like they're just gonna, 57:35 Speaker 2: just cancel each other out. That's actually not the case. 57:40 Speaker 2: And I don't really want to yeah. They actually just enhance each other in a really- So MOTS-thirty 57:46 Speaker 1: 1, like they work well separately, but they just, some of them work better in tandem. So I think those 2, in my opinion, work better. Absolutely. 57:55 Speaker 2: So that's why they're blended together. I think 57:57 Speaker 2: Russians have been using Semax slang for a long time, right, 58:00 Speaker 2: and swear by it and love it. And so- For antidepressants. 58:04 Speaker 2: Antidepressants. 58:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally. 58:06 Speaker 1: And 58:08 Speaker 2: limitless because it will make you- it should make you smarter, 58:13 Speaker 2: calm, and just focus and work on a higher plane. 58:17 Speaker 2: Yeah. People freaking love it and swear by it. 58:20 Speaker 1: Good stuff. If you try it, let us know. We'd like to know how you do with it. Yeah, absolutely. Perfect, man. I have a doctor's appointment to go to, so we are good to go. Anything else before we get out of here? We gotta get this edited and out because it's Yeah. Gonna We're gonna drop it today. Anything else? No. All right. Leave us some comments, shoot us some DMs. We gotta record on Friday, 58:38 Speaker 1: the Peptide of the Week for Monday. Give us some ideas of what you want us to talk about. And the following week, we're gonna have our 1st doctor who is a TRT doctor. 58:46 Speaker 1: We definitely have, I think, some different opinions on some AI stuff, so it's gonna be a good conversation. 58:52 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good conversation. We're gonna be a TRT doctor on and talk about TRT and some AIs and stuff like that. That's 2 weeks from now. Cool. Cool? Right on. All right, guys. We'll catch you on the next 1. Thanks, Al. Take care.