Peptide Q&A #18 – Bulking with RETA, Anxiety on BPC, Sleep Stacks & Peptides for Longevity Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-q-a-18-bulking-with-reta-anxiety-on-bpc-sleep-stacks-peptides-for-longev/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:09 Speaker 0: Welcome back to the peptide of the week podcast. 0:12 Speaker 0: I am your host, 0:13 Speaker 0: JD Denham. I like always, I got my buddy across the way, William T. Haas. What is up, dude? What's up, my man? 0:22 Speaker 1: Friday. After the week, after the holiday. Thanksgiving was yesterday. Holiday. Tell me about tell me about it. Haven't asked you yet. How was it? It was great. We had my girlfriend's whole family come over and 0:34 Speaker 1: dude, we had a blast. I don't know if it's cool. She's got a small family. 1 of her aunt brought her dog over, so I miss my dog, so it's nice to have a dog in the house. 0:43 Speaker 1: And 0:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's a couple months, but still not quite ready to get another 1. 0:51 Speaker 1: But, dude, I don't know. We had had fun. The food was good. Her dad 0:57 Speaker 1: smokes the turkey, brought over 2 turkeys. They were actually really good. Right. 1:02 Speaker 1: I had some outdoor games and 1:05 Speaker 1: some like floating 1:07 Speaker 1: golf greens that we were chipping. Her sister actually played golf in high school. She swung. I was like, damn. That's an impressive swing. 1:15 Speaker 1: Even though she was just chipping, but, you know, most people golf. 1:18 Speaker 1: Those people aren't coordinate aren't coordinated. So 1:21 Speaker 0: but it hit? It's kind of good. You expected? You were thinking it was gonna hit, was it? Yeah. 1:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. It was nice to I don't know, dude. I'm so 1:29 Speaker 1: bad at just sitting down 1:31 Speaker 1: and just talking. 1:33 Speaker 1: I need, like, action and 1:37 Speaker 1: games to play. So it 1:39 Speaker 1: was fun. 1:42 Speaker 1: I got nothing, but yeah, it was a great time. I took some IGF-one 1:46 Speaker 1: before 1:47 Speaker 1: dinner. 1:48 Speaker 1: Postmarked. So that 1:50 Speaker 1: means all of the protein and carbs and everything bad just goes right to my muscles, and I felt lean and strong this morning. Nice. Shit, 1:59 Speaker 1: life's good. Were gone. You were in the I brought peptides. 2:02 Speaker 0: You know what I forgot? The syringes. 2:05 Speaker 0: So I wasn't able to do that, but I had a good time, man. I went up to Big Bear, 2:09 Speaker 0: and for the 1st time ever, 2:11 Speaker 0: I had just my family, which was meaning my 3 kids, 2:15 Speaker 0: my granddaughter, and my bride, and my wife's or my daughter's 2:19 Speaker 0: husband, 2:20 Speaker 0: newly husband, and she has a bun in the oven. So we have another baby coming and it's gonna be a girl. 2:26 Speaker 0: But dude, it was freaking awesome. We just hung out. We went to the zoo 2:30 Speaker 0: during the day. Yeah. Those 2:31 Speaker 0: poor animals, bro, they look beat down. I felt so bad for them. They were stuck in the the bears just look agger, dude. I felt so bad for them, but anyways, it was a lot of fun and we went at night and 2:41 Speaker 0: walked around and looked at the lights, but it was just my 2:45 Speaker 0: my spawn, my kids, my granddaughter, and it was freaking rad, bro. That was cool. It was freaking rad. So that's what it's about, man. You 2:53 Speaker 0: and I know this, but 2:55 Speaker 0: the promises are really real, man. Anybody that doesn't know Will and I both been sober a long time and it's important to us. 3:02 Speaker 0: So these moments are pretty pretty rad, dude. Pretty darn cool getting these things times back. Yes. Yeah, it is. 3:10 Speaker 1: I 3:11 Speaker 1: would that that reminds me, I think last time we were in Big Bear where we were up there for a friend's 3:16 Speaker 1: bur or bachelor party. Bachelor. But I think we had, like, 6 generations of sponsorship family 3:22 Speaker 0: Yeah. 3:23 Speaker 1: There, and that was also cool. Now you actually making the real 3:27 Speaker 1: physiological 3:28 Speaker 1: families 3:29 Speaker 1: a 3:30 Speaker 0: little bit more special. But, yeah, the dude, that's great. It is about family time and it is important. You know, it's funny, bro. I wanted to tell a story for anybody that's kind of newer. I've shared this story a little bit and anybody that's kind of followed us for a while probably has heard it, but it's such a funny story because I've known Will as a long time and he's just a very private guy. He likes to just he likes his privacy and like, so what would maybe think of this when you were saying this, don't like to talk. Will 3:55 Speaker 0: would just vanish for days and we've got, where did he go? He'd leave his cell phone and he would just go to the mountains with his dog and he would just chill and that was just what you did, And like, it's kind of just who you are, man. So it's just, I love it about you, man. It's part of your charm, man. Yep. 4:11 Speaker 1: I was raised like that too. I mean, I'm from the Pacific Northwest and my 4:16 Speaker 1: mother 4:17 Speaker 1: yes. I was raised going on just mile mile long backpacking and 4:22 Speaker 1: beach hikes and going camping. Like our vacations was to drive and go camping. 4:26 Speaker 1: That's rad. Good childhood, man. And it rubbed off. Think they've 4:31 Speaker 1: quoted me at 1 time saying, like, I hate nature because my mom loves nature more than me. 4:37 Speaker 1: I see that when was a little kid. 4:39 Speaker 1: But I don't know. It rubbed off. Plus my mom was always like, we we we just found her on campus. She 4:45 Speaker 1: had taught me that rules don't really apply to us if they don't make sense. 4:51 Speaker 0: She really said that. 4:53 Speaker 1: She'd be like, that no trespassing sign, they only mean that for people who are gonna go and trespass and, like, ruin their land. If we're just nice and respectful, they don't mean us. So I'll I'll say that that really 5:04 Speaker 1: hasn't served me right, I guess, throughout my life because 5:07 Speaker 1: I would take it and run with it just being like, rules don't apply to me. Mom said. Yeah. I can do whatever I want, and it gets me drunk. So 5:14 Speaker 0: Right. That's 5:15 Speaker 0: rad, man. She's a she's a sweetheart of a Yeah. Lady. She raised you well, man. I'll tell you what, 1 thing about that's cool about you that I wish I had him a little bit more is 5:23 Speaker 0: I will not text Will that much because he doesn't text back all the time because he doesn't have his phone on him like the rest of us, and it's a very good quality bro because it's rare. You're not glued to your phone like the rest of the world, bro. Yeah, I think that's thanks to your mother. Yeah, probably is. You know I mean? Yes, it is. Well, cool. Let's get into it. Today is our favorite episode, I think. It's a Q and A, like always, because we give you a little bit of a touch of who you guys are and just kind of what you want from us. And we just like to talk about this stuff anyway. So it's our favorite episode 5:54 Speaker 0: of the week. 5:56 Speaker 0: So Will, do us the honors, jump in. Why don't you kick us off? Okay, we will get started. So number 1, 6:02 Speaker 1: hey guys, I'm starting a bulk for the winter after a very successful cut all summer 6:08 Speaker 1: and fall. 6:09 Speaker 1: To a mixture of different stacks including AOD, MOTS-5Amino, 6:14 Speaker 1: Tessa, Ipah, and most certainly Retta among a long list of other peptides. 6:19 Speaker 1: My current stack is 2 6:21 Speaker 1: IUs per day of HGH, 6:24 Speaker 1: hundred and 80 mg of test per week broken up into 5 shots. 6:30 Speaker 1: IGF-1LR-three 6:32 Speaker 1: 50 micrograms 6:33 Speaker 1: per day in the Wolverine Blend for aches and pains. That is BPC-157 6:39 Speaker 1: plus TB-five hundred. My question is can I continue to run Reta 6:44 Speaker 1: or should I pick it back up in a couple months when I start my next cut? I've been able to increase my protein intake while still on it. I just don't wanna hinder any progress this winter on muscle gains. For context, I'm a 38 year old male, 5 10, 1 85 6:58 Speaker 1: at about 14% body fat, and the overall goal is to be at 1 95 at 8 to 10% 7:04 Speaker 1: for this coming summer. Thanks to you guys helping peptides. I'm down from 2 50, 7:09 Speaker 1: and 7:10 Speaker 1: who knows what body fat percentage for only 6 months ago. Thanks guys. So he was at 2 56 months ago. 7:17 Speaker 1: Ends up one- Instead of major cut, is definitely a major cut. Yeah, yeah. That is a major successful cut. So the question was essentially, can I bulk 7:27 Speaker 1: to add 10 pounds of muscle before summer, 7:30 Speaker 1: which is call it, I don't know, 6 months, 7 months, 7:34 Speaker 1: if I'm still taking Retta, or should I just cut that off and 7:37 Speaker 1: try to bulk? Is it gonna impede gains? 7:42 Speaker 1: Dude, this one's just a call for you, your body. I don't really 7:47 Speaker 1: do less. If you can eat enough food if you can eat enough food, right, and still gain muscle, I mean, that's kind of an obvious answer. 7:55 Speaker 1: Just eat enough food while taking bread and still gain muscle, then do it. 7:59 Speaker 1: If it's really impeding your absolute food intake and you don't see any of the gains just because, I mean, it's a pretty easy formula. 8:06 Speaker 1: What's your goals? I mean, the goal is to add 10 pounds of muscle. Yeah. Yeah. So if he's not eating enough food, you ain't gonna do 8:13 Speaker 1: So some people read it as cool because it doesn't just kill your appetite, but it does really make you not be able to eat a lot. If you were trying to major bulk when I was playing college football, hey, how do you gain weight, bro? 8:23 Speaker 1: You eat a ton and it's gonna stretch your stomach out. Right? So then I can eat more next time. Eat more next time. Like, that part is the part that's not really gonna happen very well with Retta. Yep. So, 8:37 Speaker 1: hey, I would maybe, you know, hey, pull it unless you are starting to eat a whole bunch of crap and uncontrollable, 8:44 Speaker 1: you know, not eating good calories. 8:46 Speaker 1: You may want to just super duper micro dose it and 8:50 Speaker 1: see if that helps some of the food noise, but still allows you to take in a good amount of intake. I still think, just for reference, like if you're trying to gain a grown ass grown male trying to gain some muscle, 9:01 Speaker 1: I think you 9:03 Speaker 1: need to aim for a gram and 0.5 of protein per pound of body weight. 9:08 Speaker 1: All right. That can be a lot of protein, I know, but it's a goal. Split that up over 5 meals, lean protein shake before you go to sleep, protein right after the workout, 9:20 Speaker 1: those count as your meals. And so 9:22 Speaker 1: I would say about 40 9:25 Speaker 1: grams of protein per 9:27 Speaker 1: meal, depending on the size of person you are. 9:31 Speaker 1: You 9:33 Speaker 1: only time will tell, buddy. I guess you have to just kinda test yourself. 9:37 Speaker 1: That's all I can say. But you've done a lot of good work, dude, and it looks like you got the dedication and you will be able to figure it out. You lost 55 pounds, that's rad. My answer to that would be this. 9:47 Speaker 0: I pulled out Retta when I had back surgery, 9:50 Speaker 0: because why would I take it? I don't know, I pulled it out, so I was off it for a little bit. 9:54 Speaker 0: And when I got back on it, I noticed the kind of the increase and it worked really well, really fast again. So maybe try that. It worked for me. 10:02 Speaker 0: It was nice to take a little break. 10:04 Speaker 0: So that worked for me. Try this because this is what I'm doing right now. 10:09 Speaker 0: I've changed some things around it, which I've said numerous times and need to get super into it, but get on MK-677, 10:16 Speaker 0: that will help because I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm on Retatrutide and on MK-677 10:20 Speaker 0: and I am freaking hungry. I am just hungry. Hungry, hungry, hungry. I didn't really have that problem, the lot. I've taken, I think, MK's, this might be the 3rd time, 10:29 Speaker 0: and I never had the problem 10:31 Speaker 0: prior. I was running carnivore both those other 2 times. Now I'm eating carbs and doing stuff like that, so it's changed in regards to the diet and how I'm eating. Dude, I am hungry and I'm on Retta. So if you're gonna stay on Retta, maybe try to MK-677 10:46 Speaker 0: and add that into the book. Not only will you eat more like you want, 10:50 Speaker 0: you will gain some muscle because it works really well. So try that. Cool, 10:55 Speaker 0: nice. 10:55 Speaker 1: Yep. All right. Can BPC-157 10:59 Speaker 0: cause anxiety to worsen a person with PTSD 11:04 Speaker 0: or an anxiety disorder? I took it as a blend with KPV, 11:08 Speaker 0: GHK- 11:09 Speaker 0: and TB-five hundred and had the worst anxiety of my life for 3 to 40 days. Wow, that sucks. It went away when I discontinued it. Is this even heard of? 11:21 Speaker 1: I mean, take a look. I mean, I will quickly, I mean, I have not heard of it. I am also not sure about the you took GHK, 11:28 Speaker 1: not CU. 11:33 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. 11:34 Speaker 1: Maybe I do need to do a little research on what that might be, but 11:38 Speaker 1: no, I haven't heard of that. 11:41 Speaker 1: Haven't heard of that and it doesn't and I don't really make, it doesn't make, I don't know, I just can't see any of those doing much to a person's brain, 11:51 Speaker 1: you know, or even physically giving you anxiety, 11:54 Speaker 1: unless you didn't react well to the copper, 11:57 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. 12:00 Speaker 0: A lot of what ifs. A lot of what ifs. I mean, could it be? Sure. Do I think it is? Probably not. Here's 12:06 Speaker 0: somewhat of a guesstimation, 12:07 Speaker 0: brother. 12:08 Speaker 0: Sometimes our minds, you have these types of disorders, when you take something, it's more of a placebo that you think it's doing that. So you think it's doing that, you kind of feed into that side of yourself and then it starts to kind of snowball. 12:20 Speaker 0: I would think that would be like my most somewhat guesstimation of what's going on. I don't personally think those are going to make you have anxieties, but if you're someone that struggles with anxiety, I bet you almost anything you take can. 12:33 Speaker 0: And I don't struggle with anxieties, I know some people that do. 12:37 Speaker 0: And once their brain starts to snowball, 1 of my really, really good friends is very like this. 12:43 Speaker 0: Once he goes, he goes. And I'm like, listen, man, like I always tell him, hey man, take your brain out and put it right here, dude. Like, you're thinking too much, man. A lot of what ifs. Let's try to kill, like, chill out on the what ifs, man. Like, what if nothing happens, you know? But I don't struggle with it. So, again, I'm blabbing, but I think that's probably what might happen, brother, is you think that it is and then you start to feed that side of it, so then it became that real to you that it's probably what it was. It's kind of what I think, because I just don't think those are gonna cause anxieties, man. Those are not really easy. And I will correct myself, so duh. I mean, CU is on the periodic table of elements is copper. So 13:19 Speaker 1: there is a GHK 13:21 Speaker 1: versus GHK CU. 13:24 Speaker 1: GHK CU is where copper is added and 13:28 Speaker 1: the GHK alone can do some minor wound healing, 13:33 Speaker 1: but adding that copper 13:35 Speaker 1: it 13:37 Speaker 1: massively increases all the good effects. 13:40 Speaker 1: So I don't know why 13:42 Speaker 1: don't take just GHK-1.00s. 13:44 Speaker 1: I mean, just GHK 13:46 Speaker 1: Nixa, 13:47 Speaker 0: kind of unrelated, But take like a C LINK or a C MAX and a Selank with it, maybe run them in tandem with this and just see if that might kind of stabilize your mood a little bit and kind of diminish some of the anxieties. 14:02 Speaker 0: Also, what is your objective? Why were you taking those? Why were you taking that blend? What were you trying to accomplish? 14:08 Speaker 0: There was a goal, what was the goal? 14:11 Speaker 0: Because those are for healing and things that are gonna be for more like an injury type deal, maybe your gut. 14:18 Speaker 0: So anyways, what were you trying to do? So anyways, I'd run maybe if you're gonna do it again, don't think that's what it was. So maybe try to run the Selank and the Semax just to see if it stabilizes your mood a little bit more. Let's try it. 14:30 Speaker 0: All right, 14:32 Speaker 1: 3rd 1. God bless you both for spreading all of your great knowledge to us all. Thank you. My question is, can I take 14:39 Speaker 1: SLU-three 32 1000 micrograms 14:42 Speaker 1: daily and stack it with 14:45 Speaker 1: a 14:46 Speaker 1: SLU- bam mixture 14:49 Speaker 1: pill already? So just basically already a SLU-1000mg 14:53 Speaker 1: and a SLU-BAM pill. May I take those both? The 1 that I think you're referring to is, 15:16 Speaker 1: days prior to workouts. 15:18 Speaker 1: I'm currently on 3 mg Zaretta to see what my lowest effective dose is. Good. I'm thinking about adding Tesamorelin, 15:25 Speaker 1: but would like to know lowest therapeutic 15:28 Speaker 1: dosage range to establish fat loss and muscle gain, but not risking any cancer growth if it's preexisting. 15:33 Speaker 1: Also, let us know dosages and durations of compounds. Okay. 15:39 Speaker 1: So 1st question, can you take the SLU-1000with 15:42 Speaker 1: a SLU-two 50 and BAM-thirty 5? Hell yeah, and I absolutely would. That's how how I I would do it it because 15:49 Speaker 1: I I think think that that you you need need more SLU-two SLU-two 50, but you don't wanna take more BAM. So you don't really wanna take any more than like 70 mg of BAM at a time or a day. 15:58 Speaker 1: So I and you would. You can run really high doses of sleep. I would absolutely 16:03 Speaker 1: take 16:04 Speaker 1: the thousand 16:05 Speaker 1: milligrams, so that's 12 16:07 Speaker 1: 50 micrograms of sleep and- 16:10 Speaker 1: No problem. 35 16:11 Speaker 1: mg of BAM. Awesome. Do that. That's a better that is a better approach. 16:16 Speaker 1: Adding Tesamorelin, what's the lowest therapeutic dosage range? Hey, I mean, that guarantees 16:22 Speaker 1: no cancer if you have had it. 16:26 Speaker 1: There's no guarantee in anything like any little bit. I don't know. I mean, probably not gonna just, you know, create cancer, but there is no guarantee. 16:35 Speaker 1: So, 16:36 Speaker 1: but the lowest therapeutic range I'd say is 500 micrograms a day of Tesamorelin. 16:41 Speaker 1: Personally, 16:42 Speaker 1: I take like 1000 micrograms a day at night, but 16:47 Speaker 1: and I would say about 4 months to go with that and then give a couple week break, maybe switch to a different security guard. 16:54 Speaker 1: That's generally how it's done. And 16:58 Speaker 1: that's it. 17:00 Speaker 1: Retta, 3 mgs weekly. The starting dose is 2.5 mg. I 17:05 Speaker 1: personally would like to split it up 17:07 Speaker 1: into 2 to 3 doses, 17:10 Speaker 1: but lowest therapeutic dose is a great idea 17:12 Speaker 1: if it is working. 17:15 Speaker 1: Start there. Duh. 17:18 Speaker 0: I mean, 3 mgs, that's pretty good. I think that's a pretty standard. Like, if you're kind of like a kind of in shape, I don't think that you even really even know need to go higher than that. You know, it kind of depends on what your objectives are. Are you trying to lose weight or are you trying to kind of just 17:30 Speaker 0: stay lean? 17:31 Speaker 1: 3 17:32 Speaker 0: Migs, 17:33 Speaker 0: I don't ever go above it. I do 17:35 Speaker 0: a Mig Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and I've even gone down to doing 0.5 of that. So it just depends on my goal at the time. 17:43 Speaker 0: So that's just what your goal and mess around with it in regards to that. Tesamorelin, I mean, 17:48 Speaker 0: doses Will was just saying, wouldn't personally think that you'd be super concerned with that, but if we're gonna always on the side of caution, man, if you're worried about cancer that much, just don't do it. 18:29 Speaker 0: Alright. 18:31 Speaker 0: Who's, me? You are. You are. I am, alright. I am 61 year old female 18:38 Speaker 0: who am currently on 1 unit of tirzepatide 18:41 Speaker 0: per week. 18:43 Speaker 0: I have just started NAD 18:45 Speaker 0: plus and GHK- 18:48 Speaker 0: I progressively lift 3 times a week. I don't really wanna lose any more weight, but still feel like my body fat could improve. 18:56 Speaker 0: I feel as much as I work out that I should have more muscle definition. 19:01 Speaker 0: Do I just accept the fact that I'm 61 and this is the best it's going to get, or do I feel like there is another peptide that could help? Love your podcast and what you guys do. It's very informative. Thanks for all you're doing. Wanna jump on that? Yeah, sure. 19:17 Speaker 1: Good for you, and I don't think you need to accept that you're 61, 19:21 Speaker 1: and 19:22 Speaker 1: that's the best you can do. So 1st of all, I think the big glaring thing at us is, 19:28 Speaker 1: so NAD, GHKCu, 19:32 Speaker 1: not really meant not really meant to make like physical changes as far as physique changes go. No. So 19:38 Speaker 1: it strikes me that you haven't yet tried naltrazepatide 19:41 Speaker 1: and especially just 1 unit of tirzepatide per week, I don't know what that means, but maybe a milligram. 19:47 Speaker 1: I would imagine. That's too low to really notice anything. 19:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. 19:51 Speaker 1: So I would try it, but I would also probably just switch to Reta because it's better. 19:56 Speaker 1: And I would try starting dose at least 2.5 mg a week. 20:01 Speaker 1: But I would say, hey, 20:03 Speaker 1: yes, there's a lot you can try. I would sloop as the number 1 thing that I would try for you. You're not just trying to lose a bunch of weight. You wanna keep muscle on and keep strength at 61 years old, 20:14 Speaker 1: but get a bit leaner. I think SLU-p is awesome. 20:17 Speaker 1: And I would say 1000, 20:19 Speaker 1: 1000 micrograms, maybe 2000 micrograms a day for 20:24 Speaker 1: 3 20:25 Speaker 1: months, then give it a break. Per the last person who said, 20:29 Speaker 1: please talk about dosages and duration. So there's 1 IGF-1LR-three, 20:38 Speaker 1: 8 weeks. That dosage is tough. 20:41 Speaker 1: Maybe DMS because it needs to be kind of progressive. 20:44 Speaker 1: Start at maybe 50 micrograms a day. 20:48 Speaker 1: If you're trying to lose weight, 20:50 Speaker 1: I 20:51 Speaker 1: don't know. I would start with those. I don't wanna throw a whole bunch at you. Eat eat protein. You're gonna need to eat enough protein. K? That's huge. Eat enough protein and keep working out. You're working out, but just eat enough protein. 21:03 Speaker 0: Yeah, I like it. I would 21:05 Speaker 0: say, as he said, the tirzepatide 21:08 Speaker 0: move to Retta. You're gonna it's gonna work for more muscle tone anyway, and then I would throw in at night to test Tessa Ipah for you. I've 21:16 Speaker 0: added my wife in on that and jeez, man, I mean, it was like immediate she looked different. Now, know, she's in her 21:24 Speaker 0: later thirties at this point, babe, love you. 21:28 Speaker 0: But it worked wonders for her, you know, and I think Will and I both agree on this. Age is a number, man. Like, you know, if you eat right and live right, you know, it's just a number, So you can kind of achieve whatever goal you want. But yeah, I think a small little tweak, I would get on Retta for sure. Would definitely up the dose because just that's not 1 mg of tirzepatide is not going do a whole lot. Retta is going be a lot better. 21:48 Speaker 1: And then add in Tesamorelin and Ipi at night, I think you're going to see a lot from that. Hell yeah. So I 2nd that in my bed for for not even thinking of that 1. Yeah. It's gonna focus on fat that you're saying, like, you know? Yeah. So- So focus on fat. It's gonna help you as a woman really help build help to build muscle and not to lose any damn muscle because your body is wanting right now to use quite a bit of muscle 22:10 Speaker 1: to and so your muscle, your body will not your muscle won't go catabolic. 22:15 Speaker 1: It's also gonna help increase your bone density, right? Your skin elasticity, 22:20 Speaker 1: your thickness of your skin, right? It's a growth hormone that's promoting that. So every person who's probably over 60 should be increasing 22:28 Speaker 1: their growth hormone. Oh yeah. If nothing more, just to increase the bone density. 22:32 Speaker 1: And prevent osteoporosis. 22:36 Speaker 1: So hell yeah, I would add that too. And that 1 also, it tells the IpA, you know, 500 micrograms of each 22:43 Speaker 1: daily, 22:44 Speaker 1: 7 days a week. Daily. Night too. I forgot At night and for 4 months, give it a couple weeks break and do it again or choose a different 1. We choose to do CJC, 22:53 Speaker 1: IpA, 22:54 Speaker 1: but those 2 ran together. I think it's great. Yep. And do that, and that that just underlines everything. Nothing else is gonna conflict with that, and you could still do everything else on top of it. 23:04 Speaker 1: There you go. Alright. Monitor. 23:06 Speaker 1: So 23:08 Speaker 1: is MOTS-3C 23:09 Speaker 1: safe for cancer survivors? 23:17 Speaker 1: Again, I, I don't wanna we're not I'm not guaranteeing 23:19 Speaker 1: anything. What we know is like MOTS-3A is going to increase is gonna help 23:24 Speaker 1: give your mitochondria some more energy and help 23:29 Speaker 1: not allow cell, just basically increase 23:32 Speaker 1: the healthiness 23:33 Speaker 1: and longevity of your actual cells. 23:36 Speaker 1: So, 23:38 Speaker 1: in general, if you do some research on there, there's no direct correlation to MOTS-3C. It's like starting cancer or but, 23:44 Speaker 1: hey, if it's gonna make your cells 23:47 Speaker 1: live longer and be more resilient to oxidative stress, 23:52 Speaker 1: okay? Well, cancer is cells. 23:54 Speaker 1: Let's say you get chemo. The whole point of chemo is you just kill off all these cancerous cells, you know? 24:00 Speaker 1: And if it's gonna be make your cells more resilient 24:04 Speaker 1: to not being killed off, hey, that could include cancer cells. Now, there's also research out there that's saying the Montsia is like anti cancerous and does a good job of actually getting rid of cancerous cells. So 24:17 Speaker 1: that's what I know. I'm not gonna give suggestions on that 1. 24:22 Speaker 0: We're not doctors. We're a little bit like that we read that. We're like, because we don't wanna like give anybody advice on cancer and stuff like that. We're not doctors, we don't pretend to be. 24:32 Speaker 0: But we'll answer that well. I mean, here's what I would say, the only curve I'll throw at you because I talk about it a lot and I love it. 24:40 Speaker 0: And if I ever got cancer, knock on wood, I would starve that sucker. I would be fasting like a son of a bitch. I would start with a 20 day fast and starve that sucker. It thrives on glucose, so you should be eating a high fat diet. 24:52 Speaker 0: You should be not eating a lot of glucose. 24:55 Speaker 0: I think if you change your diet and add a lot of fasting in, I don't know if you're a woman or a man, there's a little bit difference in regards to men and women fasting. A man, I think should pass a lot more, 25:04 Speaker 0: but still fasting has been around forever for a reason because it works and it reboots your body, your mind, your cells, I can go on and on and on about it. So I would add fasting in without a doubt. I think 25:16 Speaker 0: if you fasted and you took MOTS-3C, you think you're gonna be fine. I'm not gonna tell you should or you shouldn't, 25:22 Speaker 0: but I would either way, eat high fat, get rid like eat low carb because that's glucose and what cancer thrives on, and fast anyway and just really reboot your cells. I think that's gonna be your best bet. 25:34 Speaker 1: Cool. 25:36 Speaker 0: All I'll run these run too because I'll give you that big 1 that we had talked about. All right, so we got long can I run AOD and Tesa IpA 25:44 Speaker 0: before I should cycle off? I also take Retatrutide 25:48 Speaker 0: units 3 times a week, so 3 megs a week. 25:51 Speaker 0: How long can you run AOD? 25:53 Speaker 0: I mean, I think you can run it for quite some time. I think it's 1 of my favorite compounds. 25:59 Speaker 0: My answer to that would be you can run it for quite some time, which I think that I do. I run it 26:05 Speaker 0: because it's not gonna increase your IGF-one. 26:09 Speaker 0: So the Tesa IpA, you can change. I would say you run the Tesa IpA for a good 3, 26:14 Speaker 0: maybe 4 months and then switch 26:16 Speaker 0: it to a different secretagogue. 26:18 Speaker 0: You have quite a few that you can choose from. It's always gonna boil down to what you're trying to do. Are you trying to bulk, are trying to cut, are you trying to burn belly fat? 26:28 Speaker 0: So 26:29 Speaker 0: I'm assuming AOD and Tessa Ipah, you were trying to burn belly fat because those 2 together are awesome. 26:36 Speaker 0: So that would what I would say. AOD, I think you can run for long periods. I do, I run HGH for long periods. I run both of those for long periods. The secretagogues, 26:45 Speaker 0: I switch them up often. I switch them about 3 months, 26:49 Speaker 0: maybe 4, and that's what I do. 26:52 Speaker 1: Yep, I would agree with everything you said. I have nothing unique 26:55 Speaker 1: yeah, 26:57 Speaker 1: nothing unique to say on that 1. I agree with everything you just said. 27:01 Speaker 0: When you talk about testosterone 27:03 Speaker 0: numbers, 27:04 Speaker 0: do you mean free test or total test? What numbers should be for each? 27:09 Speaker 0: My last blood work showed low T levels, 45 27:13 Speaker 0: NGDL 27:14 Speaker 0: at free test at, 27:16 Speaker 0: I can barely read, 6.89. 27:19 Speaker 0: Struggling to find Kisspeptin 27:21 Speaker 0: 54 27:22 Speaker 0: in The UK to help and know your stance on TRT, 27:27 Speaker 0: potentially looking to conceive within 18 months. 27:30 Speaker 0: Is Kisspeptin-ten 27:32 Speaker 0: no good, 27:34 Speaker 0: currently 2 10 pounds, 27:37 Speaker 0: well trained for 10 years and no serious injuries, looking to cut fat everywhere, join the club, and generally feel better, join the club. Not currently running any peptides and I'm looking for a reliable provider 27:49 Speaker 0: in The UK. Can you recommend any? Can 27:53 Speaker 0: or offer any tips on how to choose where I buy them from. I listen to every podcast you have done now and find it really informative and is a major reason for my journey into peptides. Well, thank you for that. Will, you wanna tackle this 1 1st? Yeah, sure. So 28:08 Speaker 1: we when we have talked about testosterone, hopefully, I mean, I think we've done a good job of 28:14 Speaker 1: describing 28:15 Speaker 1: the difference here about, talking about both and being very clear when we're talking about both. But 28:20 Speaker 1: so free testosterone 28:21 Speaker 1: is the testosterone that you actually get to use. That's the important number, okay? Total testosterone, 28:28 Speaker 1: I 28:29 Speaker 1: guess is irrelevant, is not irrelevant. I mean, it's relevant because it's showing your body can actually make some testosterone. 28:37 Speaker 1: But 28:38 Speaker 1: general ranges, think about when you're 18 or so, you're young, your testosterone is about free, you know, total testosterone is about 1,200 28:47 Speaker 1: nanograms per deciliter. 28:48 Speaker 1: As we age and get past 30, it goes down. I think if you're Kaiser, 28:53 Speaker 1: you're not 28:54 Speaker 1: gonna you're not able to prescribe the prescribing 28:57 Speaker 1: level. It's like man has to be under 300 nanograms deciliter before you can actually prescribe him testosterone and at 300, the person's miserable, hasn't had a boner for a long, long time and 29:08 Speaker 1: probably is not very happy. So personally, I think that 29:12 Speaker 1: between 701,000 29:14 Speaker 1: is a great range of total testosterone. 29:18 Speaker 1: Free testosterone, 29:21 Speaker 1: the 29:22 Speaker 1: clinical range is like 15 to 25 29:26 Speaker 1: nanograms per deciliter. 29:28 Speaker 1: On that 1, I would aim for 25 29:30 Speaker 1: minuteimum. 29:32 Speaker 1: Again, JD's pointed this out, so Scott, Collie, like a lot of these given reference ranges, right, it's comparing you to the unwashed masses. 29:41 Speaker 1: Guess what? The unwashed masses 29:43 Speaker 1: are- Doctor. Healthy. Doctor. Healthy. So just being average amongst a below average population is not good. 29:51 Speaker 1: So 25 minuteimum 29:54 Speaker 1: of nanograms per deciliter of free testosterone. 29:57 Speaker 1: So what you're telling us is 4 29:59 Speaker 1: 45 and 6. 30:01 Speaker 1: Those are not good. 30:03 Speaker 1: And you probably know that, which is why you're asking us this question. Because Peptin 54 is 30:09 Speaker 1: the better version. We can help you out where to find it, where to find it, where to get in The UK, etcetera. 30:15 Speaker 1: Enclomiphene, 30:16 Speaker 1: so if your goal is to try to like, you you said you wanna stay fertile to naturally raise your natural 30:22 Speaker 1: testosterone, 30:23 Speaker 1: dude, I don't know. I've seen people have the best results using Enclomiphene. 30:30 Speaker 1: But 30:31 Speaker 1: I also know tons of people who've been taking testosterone for a long, long time and wanted to have a kid, and so they took some HCG and enclomiphene and they got their 30:39 Speaker 1: wives pregnant. 30:40 Speaker 1: Pretty easy. Some easier, some not. Most of them don't even have to get off of testosterone. 30:44 Speaker 1: You obviously haven't done any testosterone ever, so you're pretty good. What's a natural, normal what would I suggest people? There is a difference between 30:54 Speaker 1: if you still wanna be fertile and if you don't. K? If you've after if you've had kids and you're like, I don't wanna have any more kids, dude. Take I don't care how high your levels are as long as your bad cholesterol is not up and you're able to manage your estrogen symptoms. 31:07 Speaker 1: If you feel good and 31:09 Speaker 1: you like it, then there's no reason. If your bad cholesterol isn't bad, but if you're trying to 31:14 Speaker 1: have kids later, would try and take a little bit less testosterone. 31:18 Speaker 1: Make sure you still feel good. You should never have estrogenic symptoms because you're just ignorant at that point because they're really easy to take care of. 31:26 Speaker 1: All right? 31:27 Speaker 1: So nipples shouldn't be sensitive. You should not have acne. You should not have any water bloating. That is simple. You just take a little bit more of your estrogen blocker, arimidex, 31:35 Speaker 1: azemestane, 31:36 Speaker 1: and all those symptoms will go away. 31:38 Speaker 1: And we've talked how to take that and suggestions. 31:42 Speaker 1: I'll start. I like it. I would say you probably are super tired. 6.8 31:47 Speaker 1: of free tests, that's low, dude. I feel bad for you. 31:52 Speaker 1: Backtracking on some story, when I 1st, before I started 1st got on TRT, 31:56 Speaker 1: I thought something was wrong with me. Literally, because I was a drug addict and I thought, I'd been sober for, I think 5 years at the time, I just, I hit a wall and thought I was sick. 32:06 Speaker 1: And long story short, I got my levels tested and I realized my testosterone was in the poop hole, you know what I mean? And I fixed it and felt like 32:15 Speaker 1: a whole new person in weeks and weeks. 32:18 Speaker 1: So all I gotta tell you, should take Kisspeptin 32:21 Speaker 1: or anything else that's gonna do that. You know, Will and I have talked about it numerous times. 32:25 Speaker 1: I'm a bigger fan of just getting on testosterone, 32:28 Speaker 1: just 32:28 Speaker 1: cut to the chase. You can get your bride or your girl pregnant on testosterone. 32:33 Speaker 1: Not only have I done it twice, we know countless people that have done it. 32:37 Speaker 0: So that's gonna just be my answer, man. You can do it. You can get her pregnant on that. 32:42 Speaker 0: That's the thing. Yeah, you want to get your free test. How to answer that? You have to see how you feel. 32:48 Speaker 0: It doesn't matter what your testosterone levels are necessarily. 32:51 Speaker 0: You feel like shit, you feel like shit. You could be at 1,000 32:54 Speaker 0: testosterone and 45 free testosterone, which in my opinion are like really, really good levels. 33:00 Speaker 0: But if you feel like shit, what's it worth? 33:02 Speaker 0: You have to figure out where you thrive, where you do good. And what I do is I judge it on energy level, brain focus, and obviously sex drive. 33:11 Speaker 0: Because we're men, right? Those are 3 things and if I'm out of whack and I'm like tired and know my sex drive sucks, then I 33:19 Speaker 0: something's off. I gotta switch switch some stuff. So where your levels are at, big dog, I would definitely 33:25 Speaker 0: get those up because you're probably really tired. 33:28 Speaker 0: Shoot us a DM if you follow us. We have a Warrior Makers Instagram 33:32 Speaker 0: and you hopefully follow 1 of us on Instagram. If not, find us, shoot us a DM. We will maybe get some better info to you directly. 33:42 Speaker 1: I will. All right. So, hello. My name is Karen. 33:46 Speaker 1: I'm 47 years old. Pre menopause, perimenopause, 33:50 Speaker 1: workouts 5 days a week and 10,000 steps daily. 33:54 Speaker 1: I'm 33:54 Speaker 1: 5 2 and I weigh 115 33:57 Speaker 1: pounds. I was on tirzepatide 4 weeks at 1.25 34:00 Speaker 1: micrograms. 34:02 Speaker 1: That 34:03 Speaker 1: probably means milligrams 34:05 Speaker 1: because the starting dose is 2.5 34:07 Speaker 1: mg a week, but Yeah. And she doesn't specify, like, how often those 1.25 34:14 Speaker 1: micrograms were taken. Anyway, to help with food noise 34:18 Speaker 1: and to lose the last 8 pounds, 34:20 Speaker 1: I was 118 before I started. Now I'm only 5 pounds to go. All right, I just started Retta and I believe the person who gave me the product and recommendation gave me too much. 34:31 Speaker 1: They 34:32 Speaker 1: told me to take 5 units. Peptide strength is 20 mg and she told me to add 2 mils of water. I feel this is way beyond micro. So for just I've done the math on this already. So that is a they told you to do 0.5 of a milligram of Retta, 34:46 Speaker 1: which is a perfectly reasonable- Low. Microdose. Mean, is low. So again, starting 34:51 Speaker 1: dose on Retta is 2.5 mg 34:56 Speaker 1: a week. 34:57 Speaker 1: So her telling you to do 0.5 of a milligram, 35:00 Speaker 1: I don't know, 3 times a week maybe is even lower than the starting dose. So that's what I generally tell people to start with and that's what I do. I do a little bit less than that. 35:09 Speaker 1: Okay. 35:12 Speaker 1: I'm also taking 35:14 Speaker 1: 0.5 35:15 Speaker 1: mg of BPC-one 35:17 Speaker 1: hundred 57 35:18 Speaker 1: daily 35:19 Speaker 1: on an empty stomach and MOTS-0.5 35:24 Speaker 1: milligrams 35:25 Speaker 1: and 35:27 Speaker 1: 2.5 35:28 Speaker 1: mg of GHKCu. 35:32 Speaker 1: Wrote these all 35:34 Speaker 1: on how much water, what the bottle dose is and how much water she added, which actually thank you because it's the only way we actually know exactly how much you're taking. So if somebody just says, I'll take 7 units of something like, well, we don't know what the concentration is. I have no idea how much water you put in. That really doesn't- 35:49 Speaker 1: It's wet pet peeves. That is 1 of my pet peeves. So thank you, but I did the math and shortened it up for everyone. So 35:57 Speaker 1: all of those doses okay, so let's 1st 36:01 Speaker 1: She also thinks that the GHK- 36:03 Speaker 1: at 2.5 mg is way too much. 36:08 Speaker 1: Okay, so but my goals is I need more energy throughout the day, I need more strength, 36:13 Speaker 1: and I want to get down to 110, lose 5 pounds to see my muscles, brain fog to improve, mood stability, better skin and hair, 36:21 Speaker 1: improve my gut, sensitivity to food, you have dysbiosis, 36:26 Speaker 1: IBS, and leaky gut. 36:29 Speaker 1: And I have just started all of these peptides about 1 week ago. 36:32 Speaker 1: My question to you, is that a good stack? And would you add on or wait and stick with this for a bit? Question 2, can you bring peptides when traveling? I live in Canada but travel to Florida frequently 36:44 Speaker 1: since I have a place there and I would love to order 36:48 Speaker 1: products to be sent to me in Florida. 36:51 Speaker 1: Question d, I have been considering to add Tesa, but I heard that you hold on to water with this 1. Okay. So 1st of all, your friend's recommendations, 36:59 Speaker 1: like, sound pretty damn spot on and, like, literally are not too much at all. They're not high recommendations. 37:04 Speaker 1: The mixing is perfect. And 37:08 Speaker 1: the outcome is exactly 37:10 Speaker 1: I mean, I would take you to take a full milligram of MOTSY every day. 37:15 Speaker 1: GHK- 37:16 Speaker 1: I would tell you to take the same thing, maybe 3 times a week, 2.5 mg. 37:20 Speaker 1: BPC. 37:21 Speaker 1: So here's my suggestion. 37:23 Speaker 1: You have gut problems for sure. If you have IBS and leaking gut, that's not good. Let's attack the hell out of those because brain axis 37:30 Speaker 1: determines a lot in our body. 37:32 Speaker 1: So 37:33 Speaker 1: if 37:34 Speaker 1: I was you, I would be doing 37:38 Speaker 1: mg to 2 mg a day of BPC-one 37:42 Speaker 1: hundred 57 37:43 Speaker 1: and 37:44 Speaker 1: probably 1 mg, 37:46 Speaker 1: maybe 0.75 to 1 mg a day of 37:49 Speaker 1: KPV. 37:51 Speaker 1: Those both go straight to the gut. And actually, I would actually take the BPC-one hundred 57 pills. 37:56 Speaker 1: That's gonna attack the gut 1st. 37:59 Speaker 1: Otherwise, 38:00 Speaker 1: it goes to your tendons, ligaments in your body, and then your gut. Repairs where you are deficient 1st because it's definitely a signaling peptide focused 38:08 Speaker 1: on those and collagen, 38:11 Speaker 1: telling where your body needs collagen. 38:13 Speaker 1: So there's that. 38:16 Speaker 1: I would GHKCu, 38:17 Speaker 1: cool. I'd keep doing that. Good. Hair, skin, nails, that's actually good. That's great for you. MOTS-se, you want some brain fog and energy. MOTS-se, SS-thirty 1. Take them I would take them both. Milligram of MOTS-three, I would ask 5 mgs daily of 38:31 Speaker 1: SS-thirty 1. That helps prove 38:35 Speaker 1: it just makes your cells 38:38 Speaker 1: be a bit stronger and not let free radicals and 38:41 Speaker 1: oxidative stress leak out or get to them, that's where we create our ATP. ATP is your long term 38:47 Speaker 1: cellular 38:48 Speaker 1: grid energy. So that should result in better energy throughout the day. 38:52 Speaker 1: Really is Man, NAD is awesome for a bunch of reasons, 38:56 Speaker 1: brain fog and energy throughout the day, and maybe some Selank, Cmax mix 39:02 Speaker 1: together for that's in straight up both of them are nootropics. 39:09 Speaker 1: But here's the deal, so that's what I would change. 39:12 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't want to add all that. You've only been doing this for 1 week, so on all of these, you got to give them time. You really do. 39:20 Speaker 1: At least a month before you're even allowed to make any decision on, like, if I think something's working. Okay? Right. But really, for their full potential, man, go do things for 3 months 39:31 Speaker 1: and see it. But maybe make those changes that I said 1st, if you want to. 39:36 Speaker 1: That's 39:38 Speaker 1: Oh, will, 39:39 Speaker 1: at least secretagogues 39:41 Speaker 1: can make you retain water if you take too much. Okay? You will know because you're retaining water. 39:46 Speaker 1: Lower it down. I'd say 0.5 of a milligram of Tessa 39:50 Speaker 1: nightly 39:51 Speaker 1: and daily should be just fine. But if you start retaining water, you can lower 39:56 Speaker 1: it down and then slowly titrate up. 40:01 Speaker 1: Talk to us about, yeah, how Oh, yeah, I 40:04 Speaker 1: I haven't mean, had no problem. 40:06 Speaker 1: They have there are 40:10 Speaker 1: FAA approved, like, insulin carrying kits. 40:13 Speaker 1: We 40:14 Speaker 1: will we have some soon that are that are really cool. Yeah. 40:19 Speaker 1: Put stuff in your check bag. Looking for drugs 40:22 Speaker 1: and 40:23 Speaker 1: bombs. You've seen needles. You know, and they're looking for 40:27 Speaker 1: lots of drugs, 1st of all, not just personal. Is there any drugs? 40:31 Speaker 1: I don't know. You're fine. 40:34 Speaker 1: I 40:35 Speaker 0: do it all the time, so I don't know. Right. 40:38 Speaker 0: Me too. I mean, I think you answered that pretty well. 40:43 Speaker 0: Mean, you can shorten that up. I mean, you probably have 40:47 Speaker 0: what you need now. You can shorten that up. You got your KPV, your GHK- 40:51 Speaker 0: your BPC-one 40:52 Speaker 0: hundred 57, you can get that in the Glow or Close Stack, you can shorten those up and put them into 1 peptide in the blend. 41:01 Speaker 0: So you can get kind of all those into 1 and kind of shorten that up. I agree with Will in regards to the BPC 41:08 Speaker 0: pills. I'm gonna take those on top of it because it was gonna go right and try to help your gut. I mean, join the club. I think we all have somewhat of a gut problem. I do, I know myself. So 41:19 Speaker 0: feel you when it comes to that. I'm gonna always say, are you eating? What type of diet are you eating? Switch 41:25 Speaker 0: that around, play around with that when it comes to that. 41:29 Speaker 0: A lot of people know that I do a lot of high fat stuff, so maybe try that if you're not for your gut. It can reboot your gut. 41:37 Speaker 0: Tesamorelin, 41:38 Speaker 0: think it's great. I think that if 41:41 Speaker 0: you do obviously take too much, like Will said, you can retain water. 41:45 Speaker 0: I 41:46 Speaker 0: think if you do it right, you're gonna get a lot out of it. 41:49 Speaker 0: And I know I'm being a little bit redundant. Yeah, you can travel. We travel all the time. I travel all the time. When I fly, just check your bag, put it in your restroom bag. 41:58 Speaker 0: You know, peptides are not illegal. I don't know how they are in Canada, though. Maybe they're in Canada. 42:03 Speaker 1: Right. I don't know. Are they in I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe they're there, but, I don't think anybody's gonna care. Put them in your check your bag. Don't carry on your bag, and you should be fine. I used to go on I used to go on airplanes with a loaded like, we JD and I used to be drug addicts, and I would go on it with in my pockets with loaded I know. Stupid. Syringes and 42:23 Speaker 1: Nobody cares. But that was 15 years ago, right before they they 42:28 Speaker 1: It was after nineeleven. 42:30 Speaker 1: I mean, things are tighter, but really they don't care about your personal 42:35 Speaker 1: use. These aren't even drugs, not narcotics at all. I shouldn't even bring that up. Check your bag, you'd be cool. 42:42 Speaker 1: It'd Yeah. Be good. So I think we answered that. You did good on that. I think so too. I'm like, good for you. Keep going, keep going. You know, there's a lot that you can be helped with. And I think that you will find that as long as you 42:51 Speaker 1: have patience and 42:54 Speaker 1: just- Consistent time, consistency, 42:56 Speaker 1: give them time to work, 42:58 Speaker 1: the work. 42:59 Speaker 0: All right. Yeah. 1 week is not a lot of anything, even a GLP-one peptide. So yeah, do you want to give it some time? Let these things do what they do. We want instant gratification, 43:09 Speaker 0: but delayed gratification is how things really work. So just give it some time, 43:15 Speaker 0: run these for about 3 to 4 months and then you adapt from there. You're doing good, you're seeking advice and reaching out. So good on you. 43:23 Speaker 0: All right, last 1, I'm gonna take us home. Followed your advice when I asked on your podcast about what to add being 57 year old female on Reta, Ipah, CJC to help with aging and longevity. 43:35 Speaker 0: NAD plus 43:37 Speaker 0: been doing 25 mgs for 3 43:40 Speaker 0: times a week, about 3 weeks and feeling good. 43:43 Speaker 0: What can I move up to a dosage for more benefits? 43:46 Speaker 0: Any MACs to watch out for? Also, tell me more about your, or tell me more about the topical GHK-3Cu 43:52 Speaker 0: Snap-eight face serum I see out there. 43:55 Speaker 0: How much to use, how often going to purchase some soon, the percentage of product 44:01 Speaker 0: topically is far better than I have been using now, 44:04 Speaker 0: doing SubQ as well. Cool. 44:08 Speaker 0: Well, 44:09 Speaker 1: you want me to take that? Yeah, sure, but I have something to say too. Go for it because I was reading it. Okay, so I want to address the 44:17 Speaker 1: topical GHK- 44:18 Speaker 1: We have some experience with this. 44:21 Speaker 1: I 44:25 Speaker 1: had some people try to sell us some 44:28 Speaker 1: American made GHK- 44:29 Speaker 1: and really, really expensive. I still have some, but here's the GHKCu. 44:35 Speaker 1: Let's see here on everybody. 44:37 Speaker 1: That's color. This is just GHKCu. 44:40 Speaker 1: This is GHKCu 44:41 Speaker 1: and SNAP-eight. 44:43 Speaker 1: 1 funny thing is why is that blue more blue if all you did was add more SNAP-eight? 44:48 Speaker 1: SNAP-eight is not blue. 44:49 Speaker 1: Right. 44:50 Speaker 1: I have since seen these exact bottles 44:55 Speaker 1: coming from in China in a sale from Chinese 44:58 Speaker 1: companies. Right? 44:59 Speaker 1: And 45:00 Speaker 1: I know for a fact then then we have this 1 here. 45:05 Speaker 1: This is GHK- 45:07 Speaker 1: and SNAP-8. Right? These guys don't say how much is in 45:11 Speaker 1: it at all. Just says it's in there. So 45:13 Speaker 1: I'll let you know a little Like, 45:15 Speaker 1: make this, so we make this. 45:18 Speaker 1: That's all right. 45:19 Speaker 1: It's 20 mil, so it's GHK- CU and SNAP-eight. 45:22 Speaker 1: And it has 20 mil bottle, 45:25 Speaker 1: and it has 10% GHK-three 45:28 Speaker 1: percent SNAP-eight, means which there's 100 mg of GHKCu 45:31 Speaker 1: in here and 30 mg 45:33 Speaker 1: of SNAP-eight. 45:36 Speaker 1: That's 45:37 Speaker 1: Pepta, a 100 GHKCu peptide, that whole thing is in here, which is not cheap, and 3 full bottles of SNAP-eight is not cheap. So the reason that that is dark blue, 45:47 Speaker 1: and that stuff works. SNAP-eight is what 45:50 Speaker 1: kind of makes Botox Botox and topically put on will really help tighten your skin and lower, like, wrinkle crevices, not so deep. And 46:00 Speaker 1: I would and I don't know, dude, that stuff works. 46:03 Speaker 1: If you put it on consistently, I start my skin is smoother and less wrinkles and I look younger. How much? I'd say put on just like a pump a day on your hand in the morning 46:13 Speaker 1: and night, if you wanna do it twice a day. Cool. 46:18 Speaker 0: But I would try it. That's how much- Properly, 46:21 Speaker 1: per how much? 46:22 Speaker 0: Girlfriend, 46:23 Speaker 0: my wife, and numerous other ladies, 46:26 Speaker 0: you wanna do it like 3 times a week with the microdermabrasion 46:30 Speaker 0: thing. You wanna roll that thing on your face because it opens up your pores and then you wanna rub it on there. And then you can rub it on every night too, but you wanna do that 3 times a week. So that's what I was told. My bride told me that, so I follow that. So another cool thing about that, you ask, me tell you about it. I'll tell you my experience. 46:46 Speaker 0: My wife finally talked me into doing some facial type stuff. I'm 48 years old and 46:50 Speaker 0: I'm on screens a lot now and stuff, so I have to stare at my face and I was looking older. So we started doing some facials and stuff and I had this facial, I don't remember the name of it, but they burn your face. 47:01 Speaker 0: And I couldn't believe I was doing it, but I did it. And the 1st time I did it, I didn't have the serum and it took forever to heal. 47:08 Speaker 0: It helps. The 2nd time, 47:10 Speaker 0: I did have it. So 47:12 Speaker 0: it took me 3 days to heal and the 1st time it's like 7 to 9 days and I'm not exaggerating, they burn your face, like they burn off all the dead, dead dying cells and blah blah blah. So does it work? It freaking works amazing. 47:25 Speaker 0: I wouldn't even do it. We had a facial, my wife and I, same time, a good friend of ours, and she didn't use the face and we did. It's a true story. And remember, Will and I- I do. Absolutely. 47:36 Speaker 0: People got steebled and her face looked like she got beat up and you're like, what in the world? She didn't have the face serum and we did. So it really, really helps. Because that GHK-two man and a SNAP-eight, 47:46 Speaker 0: it works and like Will just said, like we put a lot in it. Why? Because it needs to work. We wouldn't wanna sell anything that doesn't work, like, you know what I mean? Even if it's like a little bit costlier, 47:56 Speaker 0: if you're gonna buy it, make sure that it does what you're looking for. Yeah. It's like that. Another caveat of mine is yes, is like- 48:03 Speaker 1: These 48:04 Speaker 1: like proprietary 48:05 Speaker 1: blends, right, where they tell you it has this in it 48:08 Speaker 1: and a bunch of other stuff now, all equal to 10 mg. You 48:12 Speaker 1: just put a sprinkled 1 sprinkle and then you get to say that. Why is it clear? Drives me crazy. 48:17 Speaker 1: So 48:19 Speaker 1: there it is and it's fully dosed so it actually works. We don't want to sell anything with superheroes. That's crap. 48:26 Speaker 1: The other question- 48:27 Speaker 1: Did we answer this 48:28 Speaker 1: person's last question? 48:30 Speaker 1: Yeah. 48:31 Speaker 1: All right. 48:33 Speaker 1: Sweet. 48:34 Speaker 1: Those of you, feel free to reach out to us with some of those questions. I'll shoot us some DMs, 48:38 Speaker 0: like we said. Our podcast room is almost done. I looked at it, man. It was looking good, so we're getting close. 48:46 Speaker 0: Maybe a week, maybe 2. 48:48 Speaker 0: And we'll be sitting 48:49 Speaker 0: in the same room and talking. So I'm excited about that, man. So if you have any other questions, we gotta get our editor who's sitting there waiting. He's with his family and it's holiday, so we gotta get him off the screen. And for everybody else, we love you. We appreciate all the kind words. Anything else, dog? That's it. Nothing. Happy Happy Thanksgiving. Merry Christmas. Happy Thanksgiving. 49:08 Speaker 0: Talk to you. See you next week. Alright.