Peptide of the Week: The Wolverine Stack – Elite Recovery, Injury Healing & Joint Support Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-of-the-week-the-wolverine-stack-elite-recovery-injury-healing-joint-supp/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:09 Speaker 0: Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week podcast. 0:13 Speaker 0: I'm your host JD Denham. 0:15 Speaker 0: Like always, 0:17 Speaker 0: across the way, my buddy and my cohost, 0:19 Speaker 0: William T. Haws. 0:21 Speaker 0: Happy Wednesday, bro. Happy Wednesday. Happy pre Thanksgiving Day. 0:26 Speaker 1: Pre Thanksgiving Yeah. 0:28 Speaker 0: And you're about to go up to the mountains. You look like it. Yeah. I went put my mountain man shirt on. I'm a flannel guy, man. It's getting cold, dude. Like, I've been dressing warmer because it's getting cold. I'm a flannel guy, dude. Check some flannels, baby, on cold season, baby. 0:41 Speaker 0: I brought them out. Good for you. I brought them out. Yeah, we're going up soon. It's kind of cool story. I'll tell you real quick. I'm 0:47 Speaker 0: going up there with obviously my 2 sons and my bride and my daughter and my granddaughter 0:53 Speaker 0: and her husband. 0:54 Speaker 0: And so for the 1st time pretty much ever, my entire family, just my family is gonna be in a cabin 1:01 Speaker 0: in the snow. 1:03 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. That's cool, man. That's awesome. And you actually have snow. There's gonna be snow. Going up there. Yeah, it's gonna be snowing. So 1:10 Speaker 0: Mason will get to see snow for the 1st time and kids will be out fun. It's gonna be a blast, man. Looking forward Are to you gonna start Jack's in, like, snowboarding lessons or skiing lessons? I 1:21 Speaker 0: would love to. He's gonna kill it. Are you doing that this trip? I guess the mountains aren't open yet. Right? Yeah. Because no, we're not gonna probably board this trip. It's funny you say that. My buddy was telling me, you gotta get him a hold of mountain. I'm like, oh, man. I don't even know how why I haven't even thought about it. So I gotta get him up there and get him ripping, man. Yeah. You fucking Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. We were considering going to Mammoth for 1:43 Speaker 0: our end of the year trip, but we like the beach, dude. We're going to Cabo. 1:48 Speaker 1: We're going back to Cabo. We love Cabo. We're here to sit by a beach. Yeah. That's awesome. Good good for you. Can't blame you. I wish I'm from Seattle, so we would go to Whistler when there's 1:58 Speaker 1: if you really want to make a trip out of it. And I've been, 2:02 Speaker 1: I guess, very disappointed with California's 2:05 Speaker 1: I mean, what do I expect? Right? They're they're skiing they're mountains and they're, like, village at Mammoth. Everybody said, oh, there's this huge village there, and 2:13 Speaker 1: it's not. But Whistler, I guess, is is really awesome. 2:17 Speaker 1: Better than Mammoth, 2:18 Speaker 0: Oh, Mammoth is like the king of mountains around here, dude. Around here. But, I mean, Whistler's in 2:23 Speaker 1: in Canada. 2:24 Speaker 1: Yes. The village is probably 7 times the size, and 2:28 Speaker 1: it's cool. Was there for the Winter Olympics a few years back when they did it, and, unfortunately, it was, like, raining in the village during the Winter Olympics, and it sucked. Nice. But it's nice. I mean, it's a nice resort. It's a nice 2:40 Speaker 1: ski hills, etcetera. 2:42 Speaker 0: And I ski and snowboard. But Yeah, you do. I remember you ski. 2:46 Speaker 1: Dude, skiing is so much more fun and then so much harder. Like, snowboarding is too easy and boring. 2:51 Speaker 0: I've done them both, man. I guess each is old, man. I haven't skied since I was a kid, man, but once you get on the board, bro, 2:58 Speaker 0: It was funny. I 2:59 Speaker 0: I was thinking about it in regards to California. At least it's the coolest place in regards to SoCal, which is we live in Huntington Beach, and you can surf, 3:08 Speaker 0: either of us surf. But if we did, if you could surf, and then in an hour later, you could be on a snowboard, dude. And that's probably pretty damn rare. Might be the most likely. People 3:16 Speaker 1: actually are doing it. I guess the 1 thing I look out the window and people like 6AM in January are out surfing. Right? There's like 15 people out there. And they go snowboarding at night? Not me. But I guarantee, yeah, people are doing that. 3:31 Speaker 1: Well, cool, man. Yeah. Enjoy it. And and my we've been getting ready for Thanksgiving to have the whole family over at my house my place. So, 3:39 Speaker 1: dude, I got some I don't know. I think I told you this last time, but I got this giant inflatable 3:44 Speaker 1: target that blows up that's Velcro. 3:46 Speaker 1: It comes with all these, like, golf balls, tennis balls, soccer balls. 3:50 Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. We just put it on either side of the pool on 1 side of the pool, and everybody just throws at it. 3:57 Speaker 1: The kids the kids we had, like, a sleepover for the kids last night and or 2 nights ago. They had a blast, but we will also have fun as adults. Plus, there'll be kids there to, 4:07 Speaker 1: I don't know, throw stuff at everybody. 4:10 Speaker 0: So it'll be fun. Kids being kids? Good thing my boys aren't there, man. They'll wreck shit. Yeah. That's alright, though. Yeah. 4:16 Speaker 0: I so today, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna talk about, I think, 1 of the of the most favorite peptides, 1 of our favorite peptides, pound per pound, 1 of the best peptides in my opinion. 4:27 Speaker 0: There are, as most people know, anybody knows peptides, there are so many 4:33 Speaker 0: healing blends. 4:35 Speaker 0: You got the CLO, GLO, Tri Heal. 4:38 Speaker 0: I think pound for pound is the godfather of the blends. The healing blends is going to be the Wolverine blend just simply because you can take a shitload of it. If you can, you should. 4:49 Speaker 0: I think you should take it daily. Guys like us, old guys should be taking it daily because man, it can kind of prevent injuries. 4:57 Speaker 0: Dudes like us that like to get in the gym and lift weights, it's gonna help to prevent some of that stuff. So we are going to dig into that. We have touched on this 1. We've touched on, gosh, pretty much most peptides at this point. So some of them we're gonna circle back around, and we continue to grow and learn and try them and see other people that try them. So we're gonna continue to 5:18 Speaker 0: give our experiences and other experiences of other people and somewhat of a, know, for lack of a better way to say it, scientific background to a degree. 5:27 Speaker 0: So let's break it down, man. I always start with you, dude. Let's break down the Wolverine stack. Most people, I would imagine, know what it is, but why don't you tell them what it is? 5:36 Speaker 1: Who Sure. Is it for? Who should take it? 5:39 Speaker 1: Well, okay. So when you when you hear Wolverine stack, what people are referring to is BPC-one 5:45 Speaker 1: hundred 57 5:47 Speaker 1: and TB 500. BPC-one hundred 57 stands 5:51 Speaker 1: for body of protection compound 1 5 7. Yeah. 5:55 Speaker 1: TB 500 actually is what you really want is Thymosin beta 4, although there's people call it TB 500. There is an actual real 6:03 Speaker 1: TB 500 that is a small 6:06 Speaker 1: smaller chain, not as many amino acids making up that peptide chain and therefore not as good. So I guess just make sure that when you're getting your peptides, it actually is 6:16 Speaker 1: thymosin beta 4. K? Which most are. Right? Most hey. Which most are. Most most are. Unless somebody's just trying to pull a fast 1 on you. But yeah. 6:26 Speaker 1: So that those 2 consist of your Wolverine 6:29 Speaker 1: stack. 6:30 Speaker 1: Yep. 6:31 Speaker 1: And 6:32 Speaker 1: it works. It's probably the most most popular, 6:35 Speaker 1: you know, research peptide out there, peptide peptide combination out there because it works so dang well. 6:42 Speaker 1: I 6:43 Speaker 1: guess we start individually. 6:45 Speaker 1: BPC-one 6:46 Speaker 1: 5 7. 6:47 Speaker 1: So here's where we distinguish some things. So so so GHKCU, 6:51 Speaker 1: which is not in the Wolverine stack, but it is in the GLOW stack. GLOW is GHKCU, 6:56 Speaker 1: BPC, and TB 500. 7:00 Speaker 1: As opposed so GHKCU 7:01 Speaker 1: tells your body to make more of its natural collagen. That's why it's helping with your skin. 7:07 Speaker 0: Yeah. 7:08 Speaker 1: BPC 1 5 7 7:10 Speaker 1: is more of a signaling peptide and helps your tells your body 7:15 Speaker 1: what to do with this with this collagen that you're eating. Right? So so we eat food all day long and our body processes the collagen. Usually, we and other things, but usually, we we eat and we just can't really use all of the collagen. So BPC is really cool. It tells your body 7:31 Speaker 1: tells your body it helps you absorb 7:33 Speaker 1: way more collagen and tells you where to put that collagen. 7:38 Speaker 1: And it will and, basically, it's focusing on your tendons, 7:43 Speaker 1: ligaments, and joints. K? That that's what's really, really, really helping with. Right. So it will and where our body is really smart. Where does it what is how does it decide where to go? Well Mhmm. It knows where we're deficient. So, essentially, you and it will have a systemic effect. Right? It will you can inject it in sub q, 8:01 Speaker 1: and it will find essentially where you are deficient in collagen, 8:06 Speaker 1: and it will go there. Now 8:08 Speaker 1: there's a oral and injectable versions. K? 8:13 Speaker 1: The injectable ones, when you inject it, it is 1st gonna go look for collagen deficiencies 8:19 Speaker 1: in your body, tendons, ligaments. Once it's through there, then it's gonna go back into your stomach lining where it was where it was actually naturally created, right, in that mucosal layer in our stomach. 8:30 Speaker 1: And it go it'll go to that to rebuild that and also go up to your heart and create a nice little collagen 8:36 Speaker 1: surrounding of your heart too. So it'll secondarily work inside and the pills, 8:42 Speaker 1: the opposite way. They are 1st gonna go for your stomach 8:45 Speaker 1: and heart. Then 2nd, if there is some leftover 8:48 Speaker 1: collagen, 8:49 Speaker 1: then they're gonna start focusing on your on your tendons and ligaments. Does that make sense? And I guess Yeah. That's right. And and BPC BPC was made. I mean, our scientists found out found it because we had a we have stomach acid. Right? So when we eat things, our stomach acid just disintegrates them. So why doesn't it burn through our actual flesh, you know, if it burns through everything else? Well, we have this big layer of of just of mucus essentially lining our stomach, 9:16 Speaker 1: And they did they took their microscope. They looked into it, they said, damn. This stuff is just full of this 1 this amino acid chain, this peptide. 9:24 Speaker 1: What's it doing? And it's just constantly repairing 9:27 Speaker 1: that muco mucosal layer. And they said, well, how about can we bottle that 9:33 Speaker 0: and put it somewhere else in humans? And they sure did, and it sure works. Yeah. That's a great story, man. For people that don't know that, that's BPC-one hundred 57. That's where they got it. Your stomach. 9:43 Speaker 1: That's where comes from. Compound. Yep. 9:46 Speaker 1: That's great. And that's what, like, the like, it is 9:50 Speaker 1: I think the biggest actual, like, clinical use is for leaky gut syndrome. Yeah. 9:55 Speaker 1: And that is basically because your gut mucosal layer has a or an ulcer, okay, has a hole in it. K? It's not repairing fast enough, and that stomach juice is is is burning 10:06 Speaker 1: your stomach lining. 10:08 Speaker 0: Yeah. Burning a hole for your stomach lining because it's getting airy. Let's put on that just for 1 2nd. I think in today's world, 10:14 Speaker 0: that is so important to sit on that for a 2nd because I would think, we had Doctor. Scott on a while back, and he touched on this briefly, and this might even be an episode. It would be cool to have him back on, 10:24 Speaker 0: just about leaky gut. For a long time, a lot of doctors didn't even admit that it was real. 10:30 Speaker 0: I had living proof of that. I went to a GI doctor and I told him that because I had been studying it, trying to figure out what was wrong with my gut. And he looked at me like I had horns on my head. I'm like, Well, I've been reading about it. He's like, That's not real. I'm like, I don't know. Lot of the stuff that I read said as it is. 10:45 Speaker 0: Anyways, now it's acceptable, it's in the books and blah, blah, blah. So leaky gut is very real, and it really is enhanced by a lot of just the 10:52 Speaker 0: food we eat, the seed oils, the sugars, 10:56 Speaker 0: just all the toxins, obviously, that we eat and stuff. So my point in saying that is 11:01 Speaker 0: to a degree, we probably all somewhat have 11:04 Speaker 0: that 11:05 Speaker 0: leaky gut or at least gut problems. I know a lot of problems, a lot of people that get sick. 11:09 Speaker 0: It's just a lot of it comes from the gut, 11:12 Speaker 0: just the food and just it's also 11:14 Speaker 0: for 11:15 Speaker 0: the BPC-157, 11:18 Speaker 0: we're talking about the blend, but let's talk about that for a 2nd. Who should take it? Everybody. 11:22 Speaker 0: Everybody. 11:23 Speaker 0: Everybody. Single. Every single person. 11:25 Speaker 0: We've talked about this too, 11:27 Speaker 0: where 11:28 Speaker 0: for 11:29 Speaker 0: parents that are listening and if you're new to the show, we've 11:32 Speaker 0: gotten a lot of questions from parents asking just our opinions. I don't know who are we, they're just asking our opinions, right? So we're giving it to them on what, if any, 11:41 Speaker 0: we would recommend for high school kids or even some younger, and we've both agreed 11:47 Speaker 0: there's not enough studies, blah, blah, blah, and just on the safe side in regards to peptides. Most of them are 11:53 Speaker 0: extremely safe, but for kids, you know. But BPC, I would 100% 11:58 Speaker 0: give it to my sons, man. Not at this age, but, like, in their teens and stuff. 100%. 100%. 12:04 Speaker 1: So it's it's a it's a great peptide. I love BPC, man. Powerhouse. Yeah. You could do you I mean, yes. You can you, like, can't overdose on this stuff. You can do a ton. 12:15 Speaker 1: I think that you were taking, what, 12:18 Speaker 1: what, 10 mg, 12:20 Speaker 0: like, 3 times a day or something like that? Yeah. Giving a shout out to our good buddy, Bactiar, who 12:26 Speaker 0: we're lucky to be friends with him. Call him the Jedi, the peptide Jedi. He's just a good friend of ours, man. 12:32 Speaker 0: So again, the story, for those who are new, I've shared this, but it's a rad story, man. So anybody that's followed my channels, I have had numerous back surgeries and I just had 1 recently, 12:43 Speaker 0: and I was taking it all the way up into the surgery. Now, 12:47 Speaker 0: I've received some questions, 12:49 Speaker 0: quite a few questions, I think, because I posted so much about my surgery 12:53 Speaker 0: and my slipped disc on people trying to take it and heal it. It's not going to heal a slipped disc. So let's be clear, it's not going to move mountains. 13:02 Speaker 0: It's not a savior. 13:04 Speaker 0: My experience is the best, is the only thing that I can give you from that. So I was in so much pain, I asked Will, I was still working, but it was a brutal, brutal time. 13:13 Speaker 0: Was injecting 13:15 Speaker 0: the blend, the Wolverine stack into my leg, my bottom part of my leg where my nerve was being pinched. I mean, my nerve was being pinched in my up here in my sciatic, and it was just, man, it felt like somebody was just literally, 13:26 Speaker 0: towards the end right before the surgery, squeezing 13:29 Speaker 0: my ankle. I couldn't find relief from it, so I was injecting 13:33 Speaker 0: the Wool Ring all over the bottom, just trying to find a little bit of release. Now, 13:38 Speaker 0: it did help a little bit, you know, I don't think it helped to the degree where, you know, it still hurt like a son of a bitch, but, 13:45 Speaker 0: you know, it's gonna bring down inflammation, 13:47 Speaker 0: it's gonna bring down those types of things. So it will help a little bit. If you have a disc, man, 13:52 Speaker 0: Will and I are both gonna probably agree. I'll let him answer this too. 13:56 Speaker 0: I'm 13:56 Speaker 0: an advocate for having surgery, man. 13:59 Speaker 0: It has healed me. 14:01 Speaker 0: I don't know how long it's been now, 2 months, whatever it's been. I'm in the gym and I'm kicking ass, dude. I have felt so good. Now, I'd still take this every day. I'd still take the Wolverine stack every single day, 14:13 Speaker 0: but circling back around to what he just asked me. So when I had the surgery, of course, I was posting about it and I was taking a hefty amount. How much? I don't know, but quite a bit. And Paul, our buddy, reached out to me and he said, Hey, JD, I wanna put you on a protocol that I put all my pro athletes on, so let me send it to you. So he sends me a text, and 14:32 Speaker 0: even I was blown away by it, dude. Like, I opened it up and it was 3 bottles in the morning of 10 mgs, you know, the 10 mg 14:41 Speaker 0: blend, 14:42 Speaker 0: 3 bottles, 4 bottles, and then 2 at night, right? And then the next day, it's a 5 day saturation 14:48 Speaker 0: of just blasting yourself. 2nd day is 2 bottles, 14:51 Speaker 0: 2 bottles. 3rd day, 2 bottles, 1 bottle. 4th day, bottle, bottle, 0.5 a bottle, 0.5 a bottle. And then, you know, you stay on it just normal dose. And I was like, damn, Paul, like, holy moly, that is a lot of freaking- 15:05 Speaker 0: That's a lot. It's a lot. You know? I did it though. Like, well, no, I did it. Dude, I'm not gonna even tell you, ask you, I healed so freaking fast, dude. I was blown away by it. I might check out, check up with the surgeon. 15:20 Speaker 0: I don't remember what it was, 10 days, maybe 2 days. I don't remember what it was. He was like, Woah, dude, you are just doing great. I told him what I was doing, man. He was like, Wow. So I have no doubt in my mind, this cut down my healing time by 0.667. I think I healed in 0.333 of the time. No no shit. No doubt. No doubt. I believe it. I mean, I tell you it every day. Well, so 15:40 Speaker 1: let's go into so, yes, the other additions to BPC, right, is is and just like also TB 500, it helps with angiogenesis, 15:48 Speaker 1: which is essentially like formation of new blood cells. So we all know our blue new blood vessels. 15:54 Speaker 1: Blood is healing. Right? Blood brings nutrients. If we can get more blood to an injury, it is going to heal faster. Right. I even when I was playing college football, I broke my wrist 16:04 Speaker 1: really bad. My, like, scaphoid, which is like the doc said, hey. This is the worst bone you can possibly break in your body because it gets no blood. So they casted me from, like, here to here, and I played the football season, did an X-ray, and he goes, yep. Your bone died just like we thought because it gets no blood flow. So I had to wear I literally had to wear a cast for 3 years. Woah. 16:23 Speaker 1: And every day, almost every day, but put a bone stimulator. They gave me this thing. I had to cut a hole in the cast, and I would have to put this thing on. It would just basically 16:33 Speaker 1: it's the same thing as, like, those E stim patches, 16:35 Speaker 1: but the goal was to bring just force blood to get into that bone so it could actually heal. So Damn. 16:44 Speaker 0: Bad you didn't have those men. I know. No doubt. I mean, this literally would have prevented that. It probably would have. It probably would have. Because I think I think if we kinda sit there for a 2nd, 1 of the I think the differences was gonna be like, if you use, like, why would you do them separately? And in my opinion, I just just do the Wolverine. I don't keep them separate, 17:03 Speaker 0: but everybody's different, you know, and they both have their benefits. Right? Yeah. So like a tendonitis 17:08 Speaker 0: is going to be 17:10 Speaker 0: a good to inject 17:12 Speaker 0: with the BPC-one hundred 57. Yep. 17:15 Speaker 0: Because it's gonna bring blood to that area where 17:18 Speaker 0: it's gonna flow right there mainly. With the TB, 17:21 Speaker 0: you can do it sub q and it's gonna flow through your body a lot better. Yeah. Right? Correct. You know, for the most part. So that 17:29 Speaker 0: would be some of the reason why. I mean, I've used BPC alone on tendonitis 17:34 Speaker 0: in my elbow. 17:36 Speaker 0: I don't even know too many times to count. Works freaking great. And I'm gonna tell this story where 17:41 Speaker 0: I did, I've had a rip in my shoulder for freaking years, dude, to the degree where like I lifted through it, I just did it was what it was, it sucked, but I couldn't do, you know, shoulder presses. I just know where it is what it is. And when we got the blend, 17:56 Speaker 0: I gotta tell you, I mean, even me, I just didn't have hope in it. I was just like, I'm gonna try it on my shoulder. So we got the blend, 18:03 Speaker 0: and I'm not no joke, dude. 3 days after injecting it, right, my shoulder was the 1st time I could live. I mean, now it's the same shoulder. 18:10 Speaker 0: I can live my shoulder over my my head in years. I was freaking blown away. That's how fast this crap works, dude. Oh. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's a good point. 18:23 Speaker 1: Maybe we should kind of finish. But, yeah, what 18:26 Speaker 1: in what situations 18:28 Speaker 1: should 18:29 Speaker 1: we choose certain things? So I guess remember 18:32 Speaker 1: that 18:33 Speaker 1: for a little bit later. But 18:36 Speaker 1: finish so to go into TB 500. So we've kind of we we've talked about what BPC does. That's Yeah. That's awesome. 10 so most of things like tendons, ligaments, 18:45 Speaker 1: signaling to your body and helping you actually absorb collagen and then telling where where that collagen goes. 18:52 Speaker 1: TB 500 and and antenna inflammation. So TB 500, on the other hand, thymosin beta 4, that just that brings 19:02 Speaker 1: tells your body to just boost its own natural stem cell production. 19:07 Speaker 1: And there's some different various kinds of stem cells that they're called, and I will actually read these things. It's 19:12 Speaker 1: like the vascular endothelial growth factor, fibroblast 19:17 Speaker 1: growth factor, and epidermal growth factor. 19:20 Speaker 1: So that just 19:22 Speaker 1: floods that site or actually your your whole body once you do it with brand new stem cells telling things to telling your body to repair, repair, repair. 19:31 Speaker 1: It is going so to it's absolute it's basically go they go hand in hand. Right? 19:36 Speaker 1: But it's also that 1 is more focused on soft tissue, like muscles, 19:40 Speaker 1: fascias, 19:41 Speaker 1: and soft tissue, 19:43 Speaker 1: whereas BPC is for more for your tendons and ligaments. So tendonitis, 19:46 Speaker 1: BPC all the way. But still, 19:49 Speaker 1: I'd probably still just run the TB 500 also. I would just do the Wolverine stack with those. 19:55 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's You know, simple math. 19:58 Speaker 1: And just and TB 500 is the better 20:01 Speaker 1: overall anti inflammatory 20:03 Speaker 1: of the 2. Right? It will and is more systemic. So you are right. TB 500 travels very well throughout the whole body. So no doubt, just can put that in your stomach. It's gonna work very well throughout the body. Now BPC will also, but BPC will work a little bit better at actual point of injury. 20:20 Speaker 1: But but that means that if you have them together 20:23 Speaker 1: and you have 1 injury, 20:25 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where the TV goes, it's gonna work everywhere. So if you got an injury and you have the blend, 20:30 Speaker 1: just put it right in the injury. And the goal here is to say, 20:33 Speaker 1: kind of make a triangle. You're just going trying to just saturate 20:36 Speaker 1: that spot with now, 20:38 Speaker 1: you know, with with collagen absorption 20:41 Speaker 1: and brand new stem cells to tell this thing to grow back, and you're and you will I mean, they even like, you're gonna grow back 20:47 Speaker 1: grow back faster, 20:49 Speaker 1: better tendons, more more more flexible 20:52 Speaker 1: and resilient, 20:53 Speaker 1: and even and heal up with less scar tissue. 20:57 Speaker 0: Yeah. 20:58 Speaker 1: So Win win win win win win win win all across the board, man. And they really, really work. 21:03 Speaker 0: Yeah. I it's funny because I would imagine 21:07 Speaker 0: that was that was good if you broke it down, like, which one's good for which. So, like, more muscle 21:12 Speaker 0: if it's a muscle injury, TB 500. 21:15 Speaker 0: If it's 21:16 Speaker 0: tendinitis 21:17 Speaker 0: or ligaments, 21:18 Speaker 0: that's going to be BPC, but then do them both. 21:21 Speaker 0: Just put them together. I personally, 21:23 Speaker 0: when my back surgery and this is actually something that Paul told me, instead of putting it towards the scar or the back you know, swollen because I had the surgery. I just did a sub q, man, and I think because the TV flows so freely that it worked really well, dude. So if somebody has a surgery in the back, I mean, I've had that question. I don't know if you have, but where should I put it? I don't I don't know if, like, you're gonna inject it right in the back surgery. I would just do it sub q. 21:48 Speaker 0: Yeah. Especially if you're doing that many that much if you you can do that much, you know, that's gonna be kind of a hefty amount, but I was kinda lucky to be able to do that. But not everybody's gonna be able to do that. So I think, Will, 22:00 Speaker 0: if somebody asked you 22:02 Speaker 0: how much should I take, what would you respond? 22:05 Speaker 1: I would say 22:07 Speaker 1: a ton. What what can you afford, really? I mean, I know that you've said that before, so maybe I'm stealing that from you, but like, that is the truth. It's the truth. It really is. Like, you know, like, you can take a shitload, you can take a shitload, and what's it gonna do? A lot. Gonna heal you. And if you're going into surgery, we've talked, 22:26 Speaker 0: like these doors, these avenues that we've been on in the last couple of years, there's a lot of doctors and things that have kind of come across our past and just different avenues and just 22:37 Speaker 0: you know, surgeons who everybody's 22:39 Speaker 0: seeking peptides to a degree. Some are further down the line than others, but, you know, we've discussed this with some surgeons and whatnot, like in just kind of a protocol on up to the surgery, 22:50 Speaker 0: you know, different amounts and then saturation after the surgery and then like a maintenance thing. Any 22:56 Speaker 0: surgeon that might be listening to this, 22:59 Speaker 0: think on that a little bit. You 23:01 Speaker 0: will help your patients cut down their recovery time by 0.667. 23:07 Speaker 0: If you don't believe me, test me on this. Yeah. It will happen. 23:11 Speaker 0: You know, it will happen. That's how that's how amazing this stuff works, dude. It is off the charts. 23:16 Speaker 0: Yep. Unless you make a lot of money on your 6 month recovery program. Right? There you go. Then it sucks because it just gets cut down to, like, a month. 23:26 Speaker 0: Bummer. But I would imagine at this point, like, because so many people and these peptides are just so like widely sought after and everybody and their brother's been, regardless of what they know, everybody's heard about them. So I think if a doctor is including this in their practice, regardless of the doctor of what type, unless it's like a pediatrician, 23:46 Speaker 0: obviously. 23:48 Speaker 0: I think you're gonna have some people come to you just because you have that- 23:51 Speaker 1: Oh, 100%. You 23:53 Speaker 1: know, you can put that in-one hundred percent. Blah, blah, blah, guidance through peptides, something like that. You're gonna have people that are going to go to you for that. Trust me. It will happen. Yeah. Yes. If I'm a plastic surgeon and I'm doing, I don't know, whatever, breast augmentations and but but part of that, guess what? You're gonna heal that much faster, plus we're gonna give you all this stuff and and and all these peptides post surgery, which actually gonna make your skin look better on your face. 24:16 Speaker 1: We give you the whole, like, healing, like, regimen. 24:20 Speaker 1: Holy. 24:21 Speaker 1: Holy. For sure. A no brainer and an absolute great sale. 24:25 Speaker 0: Well, too, because, like you said, and I like how you broke this down, dude. Like, the BPC, 24:31 Speaker 0: know, 1 of the ways that it makes its way to, it's not the main objective when you inject it, but 24:36 Speaker 0: it's gonna help with the gut where a lot of the problems still from the gut. If you start to kind of help on working and healing the gut, 24:43 Speaker 0: it's gonna gonna go well for everybody, man. Like, everybody should need some should need some gut repair, you know, and you can always throw in some BPC orals, which we have said are 1 is 1 of the definitely ones that work orally. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sure. Double whammy. Injections and oral if you have gut problems. 25:01 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. 25:02 Speaker 1: I actually take both right now. Like, so and if people my I actually take 25:08 Speaker 1: I prefer 25:09 Speaker 1: I really like TB 500. I've got really good results from it. Like, maybe maybe what does that say about my body? Maybe it says that that 25:17 Speaker 1: I my body is already knows 25:19 Speaker 1: and is pretty good at 25:21 Speaker 1: telling collagen and building materials where to go. You know what I mean? Just need more growth power. 25:28 Speaker 1: But because it because the TB 500 really, really works for me. 25:32 Speaker 1: So I prefer taking 25:35 Speaker 1: we have this TriHeal. So it's 25 mg of TB 510 25:39 Speaker 1: mg of BPC, 25:41 Speaker 1: and it's got 10 mg of KPV. So I guess let's briefly touch KPV. KPV is another healer, really focused on your gut. So it's kind of an adjunct to BPC. 25:53 Speaker 1: And it will just do it's anti inflammatory, and and it's really healing your gut and who can't use that. So, anyway, I do 26:00 Speaker 1: You like that? You like the trailer? I like I like that because it gives me so much so much 26:05 Speaker 0: TB. TB 500. You've always liked that. You've talked about TB. That's been your favorite for a long time. Yes. 26:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I put in, hell, I think 2 mils and then add and then do 20 units daily. 26:16 Speaker 1: And then I also take 1000 micrograms 26:19 Speaker 1: of the BPC 26:20 Speaker 1: oral pills daily. My body's beat up, folks, everybody. That's right. I've had 15 plus surgeries and 26:27 Speaker 1: I don't know. And I'm tall. Right? I'm some 6 4 to 2 50 and, like, that my I've had that back surgery also. You've had worse back surgeries than than I have, but, yeah, the body hurts. And this makes a huge difference. And I have tons of I got tons of people, friends who are 26:44 Speaker 1: saying like, this is a lifesaver. 26:46 Speaker 0: They have to have it. Like, dude, I mean, I a week, daily. I've been in there at the gym, dude, and, like, dude, man, I've felt like a monster lately. I mean, I hate even saying that, but, like, dude, I've just felt so freaking good, dude. I felt so good. I can't believe that I had surgery not that long ago, dude. And so that's why I'm just gonna take this to prevent 27:05 Speaker 0: some injuries too, dude. Be like, I'm a 48 year old dude, man, like, and I'm not gonna stop lifting weights. Be that 80 year old if I make it that long, just like lifting 2.5 pounds if I have to, but I'll have my ass in there, baby. Yeah. Yeah. The day I die. 27:18 Speaker 0: You know? But with this type of stuff, man, with the peptides that might be coming down the pike down the road. 27:24 Speaker 1: Oh, bro. In 10 year yeah. You might be living longer. Right? It's like, think about yes. Where will we be in 10 years? 27:31 Speaker 0: This peptide makes you fly. Yeah. 27:34 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe not that's maybe not there, but with all of the like, the fact that these things work so damn well and have such little side effects. Right? Every big company and every country is just shoving tons of money in r and d into this, and 27:51 Speaker 1: Yep. That's how things get better. 27:54 Speaker 1: That's how we make breakthroughs. 27:56 Speaker 0: There's been some questions that I've received through DMs and whatnot, like people worried that, like, peptides won't be around just for some of the government stuff out there, blah blah blah. Leave it on the sidelines. But 28:07 Speaker 0: I think it I can be for lack of a better way to say it, I kinda compare peptides to, like, a Bitcoin type deal where it's too big. It's just too big at this point. People want them, they want them, they know about them. Like we've seen firsthand of people that kind of like, I'll try this 1. And then they come back and then they start trying this 1 and this 1, and all of sudden, dude, they're taking 6. They're like, Oh my God, I have never felt better in my life. That is the raddest 28:31 Speaker 0: thing ever to It's 28:34 Speaker 1: so cool, dude. I'm so proud. And I've you know, yes, I know. People have said, well, it's it's, you know, it's just a bubble like like like vaping was 28:43 Speaker 0: and 28:44 Speaker 1: right? The problem, 28:46 Speaker 1: the difference is this stuff's actually, like, good for you. So the public outcry, if it's taken away, will be huge because it is now it is so big and there are so many people using them. Right? Whereas 28:58 Speaker 1: vaping or even 29:00 Speaker 1: that's just it's bad for you. 29:02 Speaker 1: And you get enough people being like, oh, man. I understand. We can regulate we can, you know, we can put some stricter regulations and whatever. 29:10 Speaker 1: It was just, you know, the small business owners were getting 29:14 Speaker 1: getting hurt, but this 1, yeah, it's good for everybody. 29:19 Speaker 1: And I don't see 29:21 Speaker 1: yeah. I don't think it's coming going away 29:23 Speaker 0: even if the government wants it to. So, like, wide range, like, we would suggest even, like, you know, football players 16 and blah blah blah, possibly that'll be up to the parents, but all the way from there, the way up to a 95 year old dude, do it, run it. Those are great. These will help you heal. They will prevent injury. 29:40 Speaker 0: They will, if you have injury, expedite the healing. And how long can you take it as long as you need to? Like, I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take it and take it and take it. Mhmm. Absolutely. 29:50 Speaker 1: That's great. Although competitive athletes who are being drug tested, 29:54 Speaker 1: do your own damn research because I believe that BPC is 29:58 Speaker 1: is banned in certain 30:01 Speaker 1: sports or on certain lists. 30:03 Speaker 1: Mostly just because it's kinda gives it can give somebody an unfair advantage if they recover that much faster and they have more money to spend 30:12 Speaker 1: than the other guy. Right? And then and then it's always a slippery slope. Right? Yeah. All these laws, unfortunately, are just to protect young people from themselves. 30:20 Speaker 1: Right. You could have somebody like, oh, I'm just gonna, you know 30:24 Speaker 1: You cannot change the chain of them. He lasted. I'm gonna do a 150 bottles of my forehead every single day, and that will make me better. 30:33 Speaker 1: But yeah. So just check People will be people. 30:36 Speaker 1: People will be people. And 30:38 Speaker 1: I guess we wanna talk about so there are the Wolverine blend is where it all started. Right? BPC, TB. 30:44 Speaker 1: Since then, there are a couple some things that have branched off and been added. Just so everyone knows, like, there's the glow, 30:51 Speaker 1: which is BPC, 30:52 Speaker 1: TB, and GHK- 30:55 Speaker 1: GHK- 30:56 Speaker 1: again, kind of helping with your, like, dermis, your skin, and helping 31:00 Speaker 1: your body to create more of its natural collagen. Alright? 31:04 Speaker 1: Then there's glow. Clo, we're gonna add 1 more in, which is KPV. 31:08 Speaker 1: So BPC, 31:09 Speaker 1: TB, GHK, CU, and KPV. 31:12 Speaker 1: KPV is freaking good. 31:14 Speaker 1: And and then TriHeal, again, like I said, is my favorite, which is 25 mgs of which is which is BPC, 31:21 Speaker 1: TB, and KPV minus the GHK CU. 31:24 Speaker 1: That way you could do GHK CU is the 1 that you can potentially 31:28 Speaker 1: overdo. 31:29 Speaker 1: So I like the TriHeal because I get all 3 and I can do as much as I possibly want, and 31:35 Speaker 1: and it works better. So that's kind of the breakdown of what you got there. There's 10 5 mg plus 5 mg, 10 mg plus mill 10 mg, 31:43 Speaker 1: 30 mg plus 30 mg. 31:45 Speaker 1: Oh, that's brand new. They make it a lot. Yep. That's brand new. And 31:50 Speaker 1: yeah. 31:51 Speaker 0: 1 thing the 1 thing I think that we should address in in the CLO and the GLO, which has the GHKCU, 31:58 Speaker 0: let me just throw this out there because people don't believe us sometimes. It has GHKCU 32:02 Speaker 0: and it stings a lot of people, not everybody. You don't seem to have a problem with it. I do sometimes. It's not every time, but, man, ladies sometimes, 32:11 Speaker 0: they just they think it they just can't complain. 32:13 Speaker 1: Solution, though. Like, I literally just I have a solution. So the solution 32:18 Speaker 1: is 32:20 Speaker 1: well, I have a custom made solution, and it works. I've been testing it. People have been trying it. My girl last night was like, that? 32:27 Speaker 1: Did your chemist make that? And I said, no. It was actually that's my formulation. She's like, that legitimately 32:32 Speaker 1: works. This does not sting anymore. 32:35 Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. 32:37 Speaker 1: And it's a mix in a it's a mix of 32:41 Speaker 1: any CL glycerin bacteriostatic 32:43 Speaker 1: water, 32:45 Speaker 1: but you need to get the doses perfectly correct. 32:48 Speaker 1: And it will keep the peptide just, you know, perfectly 32:51 Speaker 1: sterile and efficacious 32:53 Speaker 1: and blunt some of the stinging. 32:56 Speaker 0: That's amazing. 32:58 Speaker 0: So what is up? A of women, like like, they try it and they just can't take it, so they jump ship. But I was like, dude, stings for, an hour. Good. Yep. Yep. Good. You'll be alright anyway, but cut that down to nothing. Yep. Well, a little bit. I mean, it'll sting. It's not gonna just take it away, but I would say, I mean, probably 80% of the of the sting is gone. 33:16 Speaker 1: So DM us and and we can kinda guide you on where where some places to get that is. 33:23 Speaker 0: As we said, progression, progression, everybody. We keep learning. You keep learning. Love it. Yep. Love it. Good stuff. Rad, man. I love it. We this one's such a cool I would say we'll kinda end on this, man. I would I would compare, like, the Wolverine stack kinda like to the Retatrutide on the opposite side and, like, the healing side where Yeah. Retatrutide is just powerhouse. Pound for pound, that's GLP-one, obviously. And the Wolverine, just in regards to the healing, those are probably 2 of the most well known and popular ones for good reason and that's the why, because they both work really freaking good. 33:55 Speaker 1: That is right. They work. 33:57 Speaker 0: Period. 33:58 Speaker 0: Right on, Diego 2. That was awesome. I 34:01 Speaker 0: we have some holiday stuff to get through. I gotta get some work done. 34:05 Speaker 0: Just I just checked again, and then I'm heading up to the mountains, dude. So anything you wanna you wanna take us out today? 34:11 Speaker 0: You wanna cut cut us anything you wanna say before we we jump ship? 34:16 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Everybody be good to each other. Enjoy like, here's the holidays 34:21 Speaker 1: are a time to for our family to get together and and relax and love each other and, right, and be in each other's presence. They should not be a stressful time 34:31 Speaker 1: to hurry up and rush and get everything perfect so your family can judge you. Like, who cares? 34:36 Speaker 1: Just have fun. You definitely have not. Who cares? Just have fun with them and be able to relax and talk to your family. Eat some food. Enjoy each other. Eat eat too much. Eat some cake. Eat some eat some eat some some 34:48 Speaker 0: pie. 34:49 Speaker 0: Yeah. 34:50 Speaker 1: Yep. Let it go. Enjoy yourself. Don't stress, man. There's no point. Everybody loves you anyway. Your family loves you anyway. 34:57 Speaker 0: I love everybody. I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving. We will do the q and a next time. We will check you later. Take care.