Peptide of the Week: The Godfather of Peptides With Trevor Kruder
Peptide of the Week
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1:24  Speaker 4:  Welcome back to the Pep Saddle week podcast. I'm your host JD Denham. Like always across the way, I'm a good buddy, my business partner, my friend, Mr. William T. Hawks. What's up? Good to be here. In the corner. In the corner. Yeah. Across the way in the corner because we have a special guest on the show. He and I just got done doing my personal podcast and our perspective. It was great. I enjoyed it. We didn't talk too much about peptides a little bit, but some might be a little bit redundant, but sometimes
1:51  Speaker 4:  redundancies do. I call him the godfather of peptides because to say that he was ahead of the curve now, especially after talking to him is an understatement. 12 years ago or so is when you got into peptides. So
2:05  Speaker 4:  Mr. Trevor Kruder,
2:07  Speaker 4:  welcome to the show. Yeah, thank you. Welcome to the show, my brother. Looking forward to this. Yeah, good conversation, man. We, 1st off, man, how's life? You are we able to say why you're moving?
2:19  Speaker 4:  We're keeping on that on that. Well, when does this air?
2:21  Speaker 4:  It will air Monday.
2:23  Speaker 4:  Then,
2:23  Speaker 1:  we gotta leave that 1 on. Okay. So we're gonna say congratulations because he's a good dude. Although parents are learning this weekend. Okay. People can figure that out. There you go. And then we have this dude right here. We're flying out to Prague. We're actually gonna go to Janoszuk and meet Peter Majek and say what's up. He's a cool dude. No way. Prague is 1 of my favorite cities on earth. So you gotta go see what they do. You gotta go 1 of the best cities on the planet. And then I'm gonna stay yeah. So we're gonna stay in a few days and I'm bringing my girl and then we are gonna make a vacation out of it and go to Italy. We're going go to Italy. The Amalfi Coast in Lake Tahoe.
2:54  Speaker 5:  Pretty. I've never been to any of those. I've never been to Prague or I've been to any. You just literally, you're knocking
3:00  Speaker 1:  out all the top ones. The rest of Europe's gonna be like, there's
3:03  Speaker 1:  so much to see here, but the Amalfi Coast, I,
3:06  Speaker 1:  you guys love each other. Yeah.
3:08  Speaker 1:  Yeah. You like to see each other? He's hitting the knee. So I'm hitting the knee too. Have a I have a ring to Congratulations.
3:13  Speaker 5:  It wasn't really playing this way. Like, I had the ring, and then we had this This is very Monday. I'm like, shit. Let's just go and do it right there. When are you leaving for this? It's on July 21. Isn't she gonna hear this? Right? She already knows. Oh, it is not. She's I'm like, you're now is what's on. You're like, yeah. Money Not watch. All this. May have spilled the beans on a podcast. Not listen listen to to that that podcast. Podcast. Don't listen to that 1. That 1 vodka is bad. Oh, that guy's an idiot. I was telling them, bro, that like,
3:37  Speaker 4:  my my now wife knew that I was gonna propose and it still was nerve racking, dude. I was like, I was walking on the beach, nobody was there, and like, I was like,
3:46  Speaker 4:  shaking.
3:47  Speaker 5:  Mine knows I'm gonna do it at some point too. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I don't wanna do this complete surprise if the girl has to be like, what the hell didn't expect this? Like, that's Well Now it's kind of putting her in a great position. I think it's funny, though. Like, you
4:00  Speaker 1:  know when the time is right, but a lot of guys don't because they have no social skills. Right. And they go to ask, and there's like, who the you know each other for 3 weeks. What? Oh, man. Yeah. I've I know people that have done that a month in. God. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I'm a lover. Like, yeah. I love to love,
4:18  Speaker 5:  but woo. Yeah. That's yes. Shit. My mic's. Congratulations. That's amazing. Thank you, dude. And we're sightings and so many, yeah, we're gonna stay 2 nights in Sorrento and then the rest in Positano.
4:29  Speaker 1:  Yep.
4:30  Speaker 5:  Where's more action?
4:32  Speaker 1:  Probably do and I'm gonna get the proposal done with. Yep. That way you can relax. She can wear the ring.
4:37  Speaker 5:  She's
4:38  Speaker 4:  your fiance now. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. That's good shit. Yeah. Because Will, Will, I've met Will from AA, we've known each other 7 or 8 years, give or take. And like you, he just, we would always talk about supplements and just in that life, hey dude, have you ever tried this? Like, what about this?
4:54  Speaker 1:  So this is like just us talking. But he was a- Lot of muscle mass. Yeah, muscle
5:00  Speaker 4:  But we, Will was a, never was a committer. He was a theater for 2 months and jumpsuit
5:06  Speaker 4:  type deal. And so this is a big- clock ticking. Yeah. 3 more days. Yeah.
5:13  Speaker 5:  Was almost like that.
5:15  Speaker 5:  Months mark. And then it was like, okay. That was new, and I can't do it no more. Yeah. Well, you we've been there, done that. But you know, yes. I mean But that's good, though. You you not that you were picky, but you knew that it wasn't going to go anywhere further. Absolutely.
5:31  Speaker 1:  So I was told that I couldn't have children when I was 26. And
5:35  Speaker 1:  they're like, yeah, you're never gonna have kids. Just move on. And
5:39  Speaker 1:  so
5:40  Speaker 1:  I would always tell women that upfront because
5:44  Speaker 1:  I don't want to lead them on. So all those relationships would usually last about 3 weeks to 2 months and then they're like, they had their fun. They're like, well, I want a kid. So this has been great. I'm out. So
5:54  Speaker 1:  I've had that happen to me too. But we all, you know, the good news is we're always friends because it's just like, hey, we I was kind of aggressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I wasn't looking for I was building a business for the last
6:05  Speaker 1:  6, 7, 8 years. You don't have a whole lot of time to commit to-
6:09  Speaker 1:  personal relationships like that. It's
6:12  Speaker 5:  been tough. Luckily I was, I've known her for 10 years. So I, that helps. That helps. So we actually kind of broke up and I was just busy. We've, I don't know, it's been a roller coaster, but that's not what we're here to talk Not a bad roller coaster. It's just There's a it's 1 really slow. You start jamming her with oxytocin. Yeah. PT-one 41 will fix that right away, PT-twenty 2 28.
6:30  Speaker 1:  God. She loves me now. Do you like that? Do like PT-twenty 2 28?
6:34  Speaker 1:  Yes.
6:35  Speaker 1:  So if it obviously, it's not gonna be it's not a whirlwind, like, all of a sudden your, like, hearts are popping out of your head. Right. But, I do believe if you're,
6:44  Speaker 1:  in that phase of I need to try and make a baby. Uh-huh. I have like the, what has worked 1000000 times for everybody I know, which is you
6:53  Speaker 1:  run HCG, You gotta get your testes back. How much would you say? Like 1000 I use 3 times a week? Depends on where everybody's at. Like, if you've been on testosterone forever, maybe it's more. But, I mean, I was running,
7:05  Speaker 1:  you know, what do you have? Yeah. 500 IUs sometimes, 300 IUs sometimes. But, yeah, if you're,
7:09  Speaker 1:  you know, 1000 kinda leading up and then Kisspeptin twice a day. K. And then mix in oxytocin and p 22 28 in the evening session. Wow. That's different than what we've Because the reason why is it the pressure is because I went through it. The pressure is so shitty that you're like, you gotta perform. Get
7:30  Speaker 1:  in me. Let's go. I need to disseminate. This is sexy. It's not sexy. Yeah. Right? So it just kinda helps,
7:36  Speaker 1:  like, I'm feeling good. Yeah. The love's there. And then I'll use this if
7:41  Speaker 1:  you really wanna get deep estrogen.
7:43  Speaker 1:  If you're a guy, put a little estrogen in your testosterone, if you're still running it with it, you'll
7:50  Speaker 1:  definitely be a puddle of mud. How you
7:55  Speaker 4:  feel in regards to peptides, the hormone optimization, how important is that? Do you think that it's
8:02  Speaker 4:  you need to be hormonally optimized before you think the peptides are going do well? Well, I mean, that's well,
8:07  Speaker 1:  if you're trying to build muscle mass with peptides, yes.
8:11  Speaker 1:  But if you're trying to fix your knee, no. Right? If you're trying to fix your brain, no. But if you do not fix the hormones 1st,
8:19  Speaker 1:  the foundation's gone. Yeah, you're depressed, feel shit. Well, you can take everything you want, but testosterone is what's weaving that muscle tissue together. It's like saying, Do I have to eat when I'm trying to build muscle? There's
8:30  Speaker 1:  a lot of things that go on. You can take peptides. If you run growth hormone, the same, you're just gonna get skinny. No. You're just gonna be a twig. If you're trying to actually bodybuild or put on muscle mass, compete for whatever, the CrossFit games or what's that new thing that everybody does?
8:45  Speaker 1:  They travel around. I bet he does it. It's like the CrossFit thing. They they they they don't wear the whoop bands. Really? I don't know. That goes on those They push the sled. They do some wall balls.
8:55  Speaker 1:  It's everywhere. Never done a crossfit. Never done crossfit. Guess I'll look at it. Bro, blow his shoulder out. Yeah, man. I see, like, jumping up and like, dude, I'm cold, bro. Yeah. I don't like weights. I'm like Is it? That's cool. I'll There's some baby shit. I'll watch football game. Yeah.
9:08  Speaker 1:  But,
9:09  Speaker 1:  you gotta start with testosterone.
9:11  Speaker 1:  You gotta eat. And if you want to throw peptides in to balance that out, you can because
9:18  Speaker 1:  the most peptides don't give you large amounts of muscle mass, see, then you add. They give it a fat. They allow for recovery, which is gonna keep you longer in I
9:27  Speaker 1:  mean, do a little IGF-one with some carbs before a workout. You don't wear out. You can go 2, 2 and a hours. Shit. Yeah. You're just
9:35  Speaker 4:  like, why am I not that tired?
9:37  Speaker 5:  You know? It's just crazy. I am.
9:40  Speaker 1:  It really feels that way sometimes. And then when I'm not doing it and I'm going to the gym, I'm like, Jesus, man, I'm an hour and 20 minutes in, and I gotta go. Dude,
9:49  Speaker 4:  it's totally different when I run IGF and those higher dose products. They definitely work. Yeah. So we had it's funny how, this podcast started, so it was just kind of a fluke. I think all the things that are supposed to happen just kind of fall into place. Like, if you marry the right girl, it's just easy. You know what I mean? And so Will and I, cool story. We flew up to, we flew to Vegas to go to wellness center to see if we were going to tap into
10:11  Speaker 4:  a wholesale.
10:12  Speaker 4:  So we flew up there and we were like going to this conference and stuff.
10:17  Speaker 4:  We ended up like realizing that it was, we should do that. But anyways, I was like, listen, dude, let's just sit down
10:22  Speaker 4:  and let's talk for 10 minutes on BPC. So we did it in the hotel. We did it in the wind. My
10:28  Speaker 4:  phone was there, like the lighting sucked, you know? And
10:32  Speaker 4:  we just filmed it and we'd like, we put it out and then we did, I think, sloop on the beach,
10:38  Speaker 4:  HB, and we're going to move it around the beach and we were trying to sell product. Was like, that's objective at the time.
10:43  Speaker 4:  Then people couldn't hear it because there was windy and all this stuff. Then we went in both our offices and it's crazy how it just organically.
10:51  Speaker 5:  And now you have a studio. Now we actually have this real studio. 0
10:56  Speaker 4:  Growing and growing. We're like, dude, let's just keep doing this stuff. It's fun. Cause we get to sit down and talk to people like you, man. Like people that like have literally carved the way. So let's, I know we just talked about this, but it needs to be redundant for the people on this podcast, which is how
11:08  Speaker 5:  the hell did you see all this coming? What do you throw for everybody else within, like, are all the things that you do now in life and with peptides?
11:18  Speaker 1:  Know it's a lot, but I just kind of give the people a
11:21  Speaker 1:  summary
11:22  Speaker 1:  of what I think. Yeah.
11:23  Speaker 1:  Pepatides are in the business. In the business. Oof. Got it. Like, just all what are all the different things you have going on? Yeah, so- Different businesses. We're at 44 companies that were possibly going through a merger with a couple of my other partners because we own a couple of bunch of businesses together and then there's satellite businesses outside of it. But right now we're currently so we have 3 telehealth companies.
11:44  Speaker 1:  We have 3 5 0 3 a pharmacies.
11:46  Speaker 1:  I have a 50 state hormone license. We do all Walgreens, CVS. It's probably 1 of those. We do all rare disease
11:52  Speaker 1:  in The United States. So if you get your child's born with maple syrup urine disease, and it's gonna die because you can't absorb amino acids. You can't even breastfeed. Wow. It needs to be identified within the 1st, like, 3 to 4 days. We make those medications. Wow. We work with every major university in the target. You talk about Harvard, MIT, Stanford, USC, UCLA, all of them. So we do that. I do a ton of actual research. So we have roughly this year, we'll do 12 to 14 IRBs, INDs, drug ANDAs. So we're creating.
12:22  Speaker 1:  We do,
12:23  Speaker 1:  we actually build platforms for people. So we have a whole patient portal that we make like doctor networks for doctor patient portals.
12:31  Speaker 1:  We do manufacturing. I do 2 research manufacturing sites. I have 4 drug manufacturing sites.
12:37  Speaker 1:  I have,
12:38  Speaker 1:  2 503Bs
12:39  Speaker 1:  and 2 more being built right now, building another 503A
12:43  Speaker 1:  in Texas.
12:45  Speaker 1:  Let's see here.
12:47  Speaker 1:  Do cosmetics.
12:50  Speaker 1:  We're getting into supplements. We're doing dental.
12:54  Speaker 1:  I got really big into hair. We have a fire be out for a product that actually regrows hair from necrosis
13:00  Speaker 1:  follicles. Even if you're bald, it will start growing hair back. Holy shit. Now, it doesn't mean you're gonna get
13:06  Speaker 1:  an Afro up top, but it is growing hair, which is a start. So we have a IRB and IND going for that.
13:13  Speaker 1:  Jesus Christ, I probably missed about a dozen things. And then our education platforms,
13:19  Speaker 1:  just built, started building my 1st brick and mortar. I've always been just not in brick and mortar. So we're opening up a,
13:27  Speaker 1:  you know, it's got like 3 rooms. We're gonna do IV,
13:31  Speaker 1:  phlebotomy,
13:32  Speaker 1:  hyper bear chamber, red light beds, full gym, all the best equipment and layouts,
13:36  Speaker 5:  Panada,
13:38  Speaker 1:  know, arsenal, all the handpicked all the equipment.
13:41  Speaker 1:  And we're going to do all laser treatments, all that there. But anything regenerative and,
13:47  Speaker 1:  know, it's like 1 thing is you pay a membership. Like how much do you, if you pay retail, how much do you think you spend a month on your hotels?
13:54  Speaker 1:  I don't, I do a lot less than people, but, maybe 1000 dollars. Okay. So the membership is 1000 bucks, all your hepatitis included.
14:02  Speaker 1:  Oh, that's And your hormones
14:04  Speaker 1:  and the gym
14:06  Speaker 1:  and like you get a, you get 1 ID. And then this is the best part, everything that's kind of not on that and it goes up the higher,
14:13  Speaker 1:  we have ex exosome stem cell, all that. Yeah. But you get, what we do is we baseline our price against what the norm is and then you start at like a 25% discount, 50% discount, 75% discount based on what membership you have. So it's just gonna be because I manufacture. My costs are so low compared to people that build a store don't usually make
14:35  Speaker 5:  everything.
14:36  Speaker 1:  We're building a satellite office in China. That deal got done. So we have a full inspection crew that goes out to the facilities that are,
14:45  Speaker 1:  you know, that we're sourcing materials from and they inspect the facilities,
14:50  Speaker 1:  negotiate,
14:51  Speaker 1:  double check, talk about new products that we need to have made. So that's starting. It's a bunch of stuff. Jeez. Gosh, I had a lot of questions on that. I mean, yeah, I think you ripped.
14:59  Speaker 4:  Where do I start? Yeah. 1st off, how do you do that? How do you juggle all that?
15:04  Speaker 5:  How long did this take? Just maybe can you just start then answer that 1?
15:07  Speaker 5:  How long ago did you start this? How long did it take to build all this? So in 5 years, you have went from 0 to all of that? It was 12. Like you got- I was in the Torres-twelve
15:18  Speaker 1:  years ago. I was making peptides. We were synthesizing
15:22  Speaker 1:  peptide. There was no systems API. We were making everything from scratch, base aminos, and still, you know, still friends with the guys, work with them. We're actually I got a got a brand new drug license out here. We
15:33  Speaker 1:  just got approved. So we have a full drug manufacturer license and we got approved for ISO-five, which is general injectable.
15:39  Speaker 1:  So we're gonna be building a 40,000 square foot facility here in Irvine. Okay. Another 1. So,
15:45  Speaker 1:  but yeah, we're gonna basically take where I started, which is about 12,000 square feet and we're gonna make it 4 times bigger,
15:53  Speaker 1:  with that those that group.
15:55  Speaker 1:  But yeah, so we started there and then I it was just 7 years was just hobby because no 1 knew to freaking no
16:01  Speaker 1:  1 wanted anything. I wasn't making any money. Yeah. And then started I making a little money. You know what you know what really helped? Kim Kardashian saying she lost 30 pounds on Ozempic. Don't know. Dude. Really? And everyone's like, what's Ozempic? I'm like, I make that. That's Google.
16:14  Speaker 4:  Like, I know how to make that. The base molecule. Right? So how do you market that, though? If there's, like, not a market for it, is it all word-of-mouth at that time? It a marketing or
16:24  Speaker 1:  was still running
16:25  Speaker 1:  multiple companies at that time. So I'd be in Arizona and I'd just be talking to people and they'd known me over the years like, Jesus, you got in really good shape. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, peptides.
16:36  Speaker 1:  What's a peptide? And some people will be like, whatever, you know? But it sounds like, what's about that? I'd be in these people's cars sometimes for like an hour driving somewhere. I would just start robbing. People would be like, when they can't escape and
16:48  Speaker 1:  they might want to fight you for the 1st 2 minutes and then all of a sudden they're going,
16:52  Speaker 1:  holy fuck, are you actually serious about this? This is what this stuff does.
16:57  Speaker 1:  You know, it doesn't mean they jump on, but I would say
17:00  Speaker 1:  me calling doctors, I get 1 for 30 would say yes in the beginning individuals.
17:05  Speaker 1:  It was 1 out of 3. Yeah. Because when you go, yes, you know, how much you spend on Starbucks a month?
17:12  Speaker 1:  I don't know, like $200 ago. Give me a $100. I'll change your life right now. Right. And
17:17  Speaker 1:  that's what it was. And I tell people all the time, I go, obesity
17:21  Speaker 1:  should be extinct.
17:22  Speaker 1:  The amount of money you spend on your shitty food that you put in your body is more expensive than a GLP. For sure. So
17:31  Speaker 1:  you just trade 1 for the other and why don't you be skinny? You
17:35  Speaker 1:  know, obviously, you gotta to do a lot of other things correctly,
17:38  Speaker 4:  but that's the reality. Right. I think that's where it's headed. I think pretty much. I think I read something the other day that I think in, remember how many years, 5 years, 80 percent will be on GLP-1s.
17:48  Speaker 1:  Yeah. I mean, even if you're not using it to lose weight Yeah. Right. There's so many other benefits at at low, low dose. For sure. Off the charts. Yeah. Mean, everybody can take it just depending on how much shit you take. Mean, I don't need to lose weight. You know, you don't need to lose weight.
18:01  Speaker 1:  What else am I gonna lose? Like, I'm trying to put weight on most of the time. I'm trying to eat 8,000 calories. But
18:08  Speaker 1:  I do, you know,
18:10  Speaker 1:  0.5 mg a week. Yeah. I split that into 2 just for glucose control. I do eat a lot of stuff. Absolutely. Yeah.
18:17  Speaker 1:  I love, I love everything.
18:21  Speaker 4:  Too.
18:22  Speaker 5:  Know, a while ago when I was like training people years and years ago, I would
18:26  Speaker 5:  to try to entice them to say, Hey, this training is nothing like, right. If you could, if I could snap my fingers, right. And, and you could spend $10 or however much does it cost and you'd be in shape right now for $10, would you buy it? Right. And everybody would say,
18:40  Speaker 5:  I would. And the funny thing is like nowadays, that's real. It's almost like that. Is almost like that. Literally.
18:46  Speaker 5:  I mean, the body sculpting and all this stuff that people do, I mean, it's crazy. And, you know, I know that growth hormone is not technically, like, really too legal still on the DEA schedule. But,
18:57  Speaker 1:  you know, if that 1 can kind of get loosened up a little bit, it's so fucking beneficial for people. Yeah,
19:04  Speaker 1:  dude. Like a little bit of an addiction where you don't, once you go on, you really don't ever want to go. Yeah.
19:10  Speaker 4:  We say you don't really notice it as much as you come off. That's the promise. Do you stop?
19:15  Speaker 1:  What the hell? My metabolism boom went away. Yeah,
19:18  Speaker 4:  it's crazy. I love it. Right, JD, what was your question? I cut you off on. No, we restarted 12 years ago, but to do that many businesses, was like, holy shit. Like, and you say we, who's we? Is there a lot of we?
19:29  Speaker 1:  Okay. So I mean, so I'd, I would say I had no more than 10 employee
19:34  Speaker 1:  true employees
19:35  Speaker 1:  for the 1st,
19:37  Speaker 1:  I don't know, 3 years. So I had my board of directors, and then what I did was I built an entire 10 99 network of over 1000 sales reps. Sure. Okay. Yeah. That was 10 99. Now, now we've kind of reverted now to in house. So now we employ probably 500, 600 people across,
19:53  Speaker 1:  you know, with, you know, 3, 2, 3 PLs. Right? You know, there's a few 100 people there or 200 people there, you know, a 503B. Yeah. You know, a lot of it's automated, but you still have 80, you have so many goddamn compliance people. Yeah. Yeah. Like integrity. We have, we care at integrity or 503A.
20:10  Speaker 1:  Most pharmacies, like if you go to these chop shop pharmacies, they've been grinding out all these GLPs for the last couple of years. You
20:17  Speaker 1:  walk in and they have
20:19  Speaker 1:  3 pharmacists just slapping
20:21  Speaker 1:  labels on bottles and throwing
20:24  Speaker 1:  the container in the basket to move down the line. Yeah. There's no 1 to talk to. There's no like room with pharmacists.
20:31  Speaker 1:  Okay. Yeah. Right? In Integrity, we have probably 30 pharmacists
20:35  Speaker 1:  just picking the phone and calling,
20:37  Speaker 1:  not waiting for calls. Every prescription that comes in, we can call and go, hi, I'm with Integrity. You're getting a prescription from us. Do you have any questions about it? Wow. And if you need something, once you get it, call us back. Wow. Cute. Because we care. Yeah. Right? That's, you know, that's a white glove service. Yeah. Yeah. We're a little bit more expensive. $20.
20:54  Speaker 1:  You know?
20:56  Speaker 1:  But, I mean, for that peace of mind that you can just pick up the phone, call back and be like, oh my god, I got it. I have no idea what I'm doing. They'll they'll talk to you for an hour. Yeah. They'll talk you. People need it. Good for you. So, you know, just
21:07  Speaker 1:  all these yeah, we probably have a good 600, 700, 800 people now working for us. Did you did from early on, did you have, like, a trusted, I don't know.
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22:46  Speaker 5:  Real smart person by your side, and do you still have a couple real smart people that that are better at maybe your weaknesses that Well, that's all you can do. You with? I'm not because you can't do I mean No. So early on,
22:59  Speaker 1:  it's a mixture of loyalty and smart. Yeah. So when I 1st started, because I had no money, I started the company with $30,000.
23:06  Speaker 1:  Yeah.
23:08  Speaker 1:  That doesn't go very far. So how are you gonna get your legal work done, your websites done, all that stuff? So instead, I've met really good people. My attorney was I was trading him peptides for legal work. That's right. Dean, my CFO, he was running his own company. I fractionalized him. He was my 1st roommate 20 plus years ago. Yeah. I was paying him $5. He was helping me out.
23:31  Speaker 1:  Kristen was like my sister. She would, she was a stay at home mom. I was paying her $15 an hour to come over and help me with orders,
23:38  Speaker 1:  you know, in the beginning,
23:40  Speaker 1:  Remod and Ash are the marketing and technology wing that started with me. I gave them 3% of the company and then they gave me a loan for like a $100 of technology build. And I'm like, know, I promise I'll bill you back. I'll pay you back. And they're like, oh, we know you are. We
23:55  Speaker 1:  see the,
23:56  Speaker 1:  what's going on. You're gonna be fine. We're, let's do it. Sitting on gold here. You sit on gold. And I gave, I gave everybody a little bit in the beginning. So I gave away about 25%
24:04  Speaker 1:  of the company, which most people say is really dumb to do because what it was worth then and what it's worth now, I mean, we might have paid 1000000000 or $2 for the business if you could sell it. Sure. But
24:14  Speaker 1:  that doesn't matter. I wouldn't have got to an app without the people. So
24:17  Speaker 1:  it wouldn't worth anything. Right? And then, you know, there's a few other people, you know,
24:23  Speaker 1:  who else is on there? Oh, Drew. I mean, so my buddy, he owns social, know the restaurant? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he was the owner of Social and he was a, you know, he was a customer of mine and he's a and he's always been a friend.
24:34  Speaker 1:  Charming has the, like charismatic or something. He's very charismatic.
24:38  Speaker 1:  He's he's very creative.
24:40  Speaker 1:  Like, he's, he was my 1st employee. He was, he'd sold the business,
24:45  Speaker 1:  you know, was trying to figure out what to do with his life. You know, he took in the kids on, like, a 3 month vacation kind of around the world, went to Egypt, went to Europe, did all those things. They homeschooled. So they were able to do the whole thing and he got back. He's like, I don't know what the fuck to do with my life. I don't wanna go back in the restaurant business. He actually went back and forth and he just sat at my counter for months listening to me all day,
25:07  Speaker 1:  bottling bottles, just listening. Hungry. And then he just jumped on and that guy freaking, he went out there and he found business still does. I mean, he writes millions upon millions of dollars Right? For me a
25:18  Speaker 1:  So, you know, he he's there. And then from there, I, it was like my 1st guy that I was partnered with in the laboratory,
25:26  Speaker 1:  he was making stuff that I wasn't making. I was making stuff that he wasn't making. Right? You can only have so much time. You you started with 100 bottle,
25:34  Speaker 1:  you know, synthesizers.
25:35  Speaker 1:  And like, you know, you can only make so much. So I was like, we were meeting, like, parking lots. I was trading him NAD and OAOD
25:42  Speaker 4:  That is so funny, bro. For, like, months. How much you have CVS, bro? Yeah. Really? Like, bags.
25:48  Speaker 1:  You know, bags of stuff in the in the old days, you know, before, you know, anybody
25:53  Speaker 1:  wasn't, there wasn't an industry. None. At this point. Nobody knew what it was. Yeah. I mean, we, at 1 point, I would say that we're probably used peptide sciences,
26:02  Speaker 1:  the 2 of us, Swiss chems,
26:04  Speaker 1:  and the other, that was probably 98%
26:08  Speaker 1:  of the business in America. Peptide science was about 50% of that or And
26:13  Speaker 1:  then we were probably about
26:16  Speaker 1:  20% of the rest of it, and then Swiss chem is just big. They were probably 10. And then I got into medical.
26:22  Speaker 1:  So immediately, because I was all American made, no Chinese, I'm just going I'm I have a focus. I'm going away. I'm gonna go after doctors. Mhmm. K. And I built a 28,000
26:31  Speaker 1:  doctor network. What year is this, like, timeframe? 5 years ago, 4 years ago, started doing it. But over those years, I was the guy
26:38  Speaker 1:  that was know everybody went direct to consumer. Sure. And I went to the doctor networks. Sure. And that's where I grew up to hundreds billion dollars like for overnight, not overnight, but to, you know, year and 0.5, we went from 0 to 170,
26:52  Speaker 1:  dollars 180,000,000.
26:53  Speaker 5:  And you were panning the pavement by yourself. I mean, not by yourself, but you actually were because I know you were because I've talked to a few doctors who've told
27:00  Speaker 5:  me that you
27:03  Speaker 5:  walked in there and
27:05  Speaker 1:  talked to them. I was on every call. I'd show up, I'd fly to a place. I mean, Doctor. John Janquish, I flew up to Sacramento to meet with him, you know? You know, Austin,
27:13  Speaker 1:  I, you know, Dallas had drive around and see accounts.
27:16  Speaker 1:  And we were actually getting back to that. So it turned into
27:20  Speaker 1:  10 99 workers and then they all turned into idiots. Not all, But turned to the bag because they the lie, she's stealing anything they could do is we don't wanna do business with that. And then so now I started bringing on my best guys, started bringing them onto my company, and we're gonna start doing that again. We're training our own network, and we're gonna start walking back in because it's more systems now. We're not just peptides, we're everything.
27:42  Speaker 1:  So you go into Alpha- Sync for instance,
27:45  Speaker 1:  it is Amazon for doctors. Okay.
27:48  Speaker 1:  We make everything. So
27:51  Speaker 1:  it's a fraction of the cost.
27:54  Speaker 1:  So it allows them to make money inside the stores, they don't the technology is easy, but to get a doctor to stop for 30 minutes on a phone call and say, yeah, show me some while they're getting yelled at by the nurse that, you know, patients been waiting for whatever.
28:09  Speaker 1:  So we're like, no, we're gonna show up and we're gonna get a time. We're gonna come in at that time or we're gonna train, you know, their head nurse. And the head nurse goes, Doctor, you have to see this. Yeah. This is really gonna show all about it. I gotta train. We're gonna do that in person. Yeah. You know? That's awesome. Yeah. Who knows? Think of,
28:26  Speaker 5:  what do you think of single mothers as employers? Do you think they make the best employees?
28:30  Speaker 1:  I think they're great employees.
28:32  Speaker 5:  The best. I just say we have, we have a couple of staff and they've kicked ass for us. And I think that it's interesting when starting to hire them and you have way more experience than that. That was kind of a
28:42  Speaker 1:  that that was meant to be kind of a joke. But, no, I I but, I love it. But it's actually but it's I don't know. It's kind of interesting. Like, they have learned to just do everything and rise occasion and be very well rounded. I'll I'll tell tell you a little story. There's a facility that I work for, Los Javes, and the entire facility was all single mothers.
29:02  Speaker 1:  Because
29:03  Speaker 1:  down in that area of Mexico,
29:05  Speaker 1:  very cartel driven, most of the husbands were killed, so we just decided we're gonna hire all single moms to take care of them. Yeah. And they bust their fucking ass. Yeah. Well, anybody can. Mean, if I can. Sure. Anybody can, but motivation of a mom taking care of their child is a hell of a lot more motivating than a single dude that wants to go out and drink beers on the weekend. Absolutely.
29:25  Speaker 1:  Just saying. And they've had to learn a lot. They've had to adapt and just kind of be able to multitask and do everything. Survivors right now. Yeah. There's a mom, not forever now that we're together, but I
29:36  Speaker 1:  hear her life. She lives out DC. I'm moving out there. Her life is tough to fit. Yeah. Doesn't. Yep. She's a professional tattoo artist, so she tries tattoos 6 to 8 hours a day. Wow. She has cooked all the meals. She goes to the gym. She reads him. She doesn't watch any TV.
29:52  Speaker 4:  She reads to him. She plays with them. I don't know how she does it. I don't know how she does it. No, she doesn't sleep. Dude, it's gnarled out. I got a 5 out of 2 year olds exhausted.
30:01  Speaker 4:  I've I've I've used this so many times, because it's crazy because I I if I wanna go to the gym on a Saturday Mhmm. I jump in my truck, go to the gym.
30:08  Speaker 4:  My wife has to get my 2 kids Yeah. Screaming and fighting, literally screaming at the top of their lungs.
30:13  Speaker 4:  Buckle them. One's like And she Fight for the sass. Yeah. Got 1 in. It's my other 1. This 1 just spilled. Where's the lady? It's crazy chaos. Holy shit. And then she gets to the gym, and then she's gotta get that chaos out again, and then she gotta get it out. In 4 hours. It's crazy.
30:29  Speaker 4:  And so single mothers listening,
30:32  Speaker 1:  We salute you. How do you do it? We salute you. It is so like holy shit, man. So anybody that's like dogs on,
30:40  Speaker 1:  like, their significant other for being a stay at home mom, I'm like, yeah, take it. No, take it. Yeah. That is a way harder. I'll take everything.
30:48  Speaker 1:  I'm a work 20 hours a day so I don't gotta go home screaming. I wanna, I know this thing, I wanna go home and like play and have those things. But the reality is, is
30:57  Speaker 1:  to try and negotiate with a 3 year old is way harder than me negotiating with a doctor. Doctor. Dirk is a and they're hard enough. Dude, you should hear my 5 year old debate my wife. Yes, babe.
31:09  Speaker 1:  Say no. Say no. Can't say no. What came out of the other 1? He goes,
31:14  Speaker 1:  he said,
31:15  Speaker 1:  for the love of God, mom.
31:18  Speaker 1:  She's like, yo, Ernie,
31:20  Speaker 1:  dinner with me for the love of God, mom. Leave me alone. She's like, where did you learn that? Yeah. That's She's like, for the love of god, mom, the questions. And she's like, what? I love the innocence of kids. She's just dying laughing on the phone. She's like, I wanna be mad, but it's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. You know? You can't get mad. So how's you're going out to DC, man. That's Have you lived in that on the East Coast? I have never lived anywhere but here. I
31:42  Speaker 1:  never thought I was gonna live anywhere
31:44  Speaker 1:  but here. I mean, other than, you know, a vacation home. Sure. But I why would I wanna leave? This is perfect weather. Right. I'd literally
31:51  Speaker 1:  can't over or underdress Yeah. As any day. Where we live, man. It's all good. You wanna wear a sweater? Go ahead. You're gonna be fine. Yeah. You wanna wear shorts? You're not gonna freeze. That works for it. I'm gonna go to DC, and I guarantee you, I will be a popsicle at some point because I will I I don't even own a jacket. No. Mhmm. You know? Well, you're gonna 1st go there and just sweat like you just would just un 95 degrees, 90% humidity right now. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So Sunday is gonna be a reckoning for me.
32:20  Speaker 1:  She's like, oh, you have a trench of downpour right now. I'm like, oh man. She's like, yeah, you can't even walk outside. It's a sticky. So is that gonna work with your main
32:27  Speaker 1:  companies in Irvine? Yeah. Yeah, I'm still building the corporate office off a dire right over here. Oh yeah, yeah, wow. I'll be back and forth because my plan is to work 10 days in the office here around
32:37  Speaker 1:  and then I'll spend I travel so much anyway. Yeah. Okay. And then the rest of the time, I'll be there or wherever I need to be, but it's it's gonna a 50 50 split. Obviously, hopefully, I can change that down the road to maybe less, but Yeah. I need to I need to still be here, but I have
32:52  Speaker 1:  so many buildings on the East Coast. It's actually really good for me. So, like, I on Monday so I fly home or to new home on Sunday. Monday morning,
33:01  Speaker 1:  I fly to,
33:03  Speaker 1:  Palm Beach,
33:05  Speaker 1:  and I drive, I hit my 5 0 3 a, then I go 45 minutes, hit my other 503, 20 minutes, get to my 503 b. He's coming. Shut up. Yeah, pretty much. And I'll see all those sites and then I'll have dinner with the president and all that kind of stuff. But, and then I'll fly home the next morning or no flight to Charleston next morning. And I'll go see my 3 PL my sites there. We're building a $100,000,000.05
33:26  Speaker 1:  $0.03 B in that in
33:28  Speaker 1:  Charleston around Daniel Island.
33:30  Speaker 1:  So
33:31  Speaker 1:  I'll go out there. I'll see that. And then I'll stop in Atlanta
33:35  Speaker 1:  or go back to Atlanta because you can't get back to DC very easily. So I'll go to Atlanta and let's see my pharmacies out there. I fly home. So I 3 days I can hit 12 sites.
33:44  Speaker 5:  What's on South Carolina? Is there like more lax laws
33:47  Speaker 4:  no,
33:48  Speaker 1:  easy at all. Why do I know partner? Okay. He was, he was, so the people that you could talk to originally,
33:54  Speaker 1:  no 1 knew anything. He was a very well off construction owner. Okay. Probably worth a couple $100,000,000.
34:01  Speaker 4:  Young guy, smart, smart.
34:04  Speaker 1:  His wife has MS, so he was trying to find a cure for MS. Cool.
34:08  Speaker 1:  So, but, you know, at some point, the risk doesn't,
34:12  Speaker 1:  you know, fit the reward and his wife is like, dude, get the hell out of this business. So
34:16  Speaker 1:  he sold the business to me and
34:19  Speaker 1:  I brought in new partners that I wanted, Doug, you know, Doug, Rob, and we continued the
34:25  Speaker 1:  trend and we brought it to he's like, I gotta give it to you because I know you'll turn it into what I my dream was too. We did. For sure.
34:34  Speaker 4:  And all that stuff that you do, what would you say is where's your heart? Like like, what is are you most passionate about?
34:40  Speaker 1:  Oh, God. That's a lot to juggle.
34:42  Speaker 1:  I mean, honestly honestly, it's just helping people. I'm a sucker for that. Sure. Like, I go I go to charity events and I'm just like, take all my money. You know?
34:52  Speaker 1:  But I'm really enthralled with I'm I'm a creator and I'm a fixer. To be honest with you, when things are going wrong, I'm happiest
34:59  Speaker 1:  because I like fixing them. Sure. And people's
35:03  Speaker 4:  You thrive in chaos. People's
35:05  Speaker 1:  hardest part because
35:06  Speaker 1:  I love them all and I sometimes just can't understand why they're unhappy.
35:11  Speaker 1:  It's usually greed related for people or Ego. Or it's, you know, they feel like they're being left out and something.
35:18  Speaker 1:  I don't purposely leave anybody out. I'm just so busy that my time can only stretch so far. Sure.
35:24  Speaker 1:  But, you know, it's that's the thing. I wanna please everyone.
35:28  Speaker 1:  That that's the hardest part of my life. That's hard. Yeah. Some of my wife. Yeah. That is hard. I feel the same way. I mean, I have those tendencies. Awesome. And how many employees do guys have now? What, 14 full time? You
35:39  Speaker 1:  could pick up the phone call all 14 people every single day. Right? Yeah.
35:44  Speaker 1:  But that would be hard. It would be hard. It would actually be, you know, yes. I I mean, it
35:49  Speaker 1:  so many that we have, I I don't even they everybody wants my time. Sure. Yeah. The people that you actually need to connect with and you wanna call, you can't even get to without,
35:58  Speaker 1:  like, sacrificing
36:00  Speaker 1:  I mean, I I get up every morning at 05:30 and immediately,
36:03  Speaker 1:  like, I am
36:05  Speaker 1:  Yeah. You know, I'm missing my mouth. I'm texting. I'm on the phone. I can't imagine. Yeah. Yeah. And then I get in the car. I sorry, government. I text everywhere I go in the clog. I've
36:15  Speaker 1:  never been in an accident. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. I've never done it once. I'm very I can multitask. And then I get to the gym and I get the
36:23  Speaker 1:  entire time of the gym and then I get home, my phone is dead. And then I immediately take sometimes I don't take a shower. I get on phone call on Zoom calls. And then my assistant is shoving food in my mouth because knows I mean she's literally feeding me water. I can't clean my house. And then this goes all way through till about 11:00 at night and then I jump in bed. I put on anything on TV, and I pass out the 1st 5 minutes. Doy. And I get about 5 hours, 5.5 hours sleep. Is that hard to juggle everything, though? Like, meaning, like,
36:50  Speaker 4:  your brain is going, going, going, going, going, going, So it's all that sleep, though. Yeah. So then okay. There's I can shut down. But this this is the only bad part. So when I go to do something for me Mhmm. Yeah.
37:00  Speaker 1:  If it's not exhilarating,
37:02  Speaker 1:  I'm out. Right. Because my buddy's like, oh, you can't lay by a pool and read a book. No. I can't sit in a car. Yeah. If I if you're driving, I'm out cold. If I get on an airplane, I never even know we'd leave the taxi.
37:13  Speaker 1:  I swear to God, I don't remember the last time I plane took off.
37:17  Speaker 1:  I- It's the best time to go to sleep is when it's pushing you back. Oh, yeah, no, I'm like, screw you. I'm putting this thing back during the bus time. You know, I'm gonna grab a little I'm gonna fake this. I hold my finger on the button and then as soon as like, I'm like, I go to sleep and then the thing thing and automatically I was back. I don't think anybody's gonna give you shit, bro. Yeah, no, you're right. We would battle if I behind you. So whenever I'm in an airplane and I see them, I just wedge my, I put my knee right here. Oh yeah, I know. I go, what's up, working. And I just go,
37:43  Speaker 1:  it is that? Some point, they'll look at me and be like, you're taller. How do the hell do you just sit in normal seats? I don't. It's miserable. Have It has bruises on the ends of my knees every time. I gave up on that. I sit in 1st class or premium,
37:57  Speaker 5:  so I get my extra 8 inches. Wow. We just she booked us some flights actually, like, in like, she worked she worked hard. We we didn't have 1st class, but she got us in well Premium. On premium.
38:07  Speaker 1:  On the way back, we did have 1st class, and then it makes I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a complete game. You fly enough. I think I flew 200 plus flights last year. They started just upgrading you anyway, which is kind of nice. But,
38:20  Speaker 1:  the,
38:21  Speaker 1:  like, I, I've told my sister, I go, if I, if you cannot, it has to be a direct flight and it has to be, because I'll fly the 1st flight on the morning. Yeah. I will go all the way to the end and get on the flight. I'll just pass out because no one's awake over here. And when I do wake up on that flight,
38:36  Speaker 1:  it's probably 8AM here. And then I just started banging away like normal. And everybody thinks I've been up since we're, like, 2 in the morning because I'm I'll email you. I'm going to the airport or the Uber, and I'm doing emails. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, this crackhead is emailing me at 1 in the morning, 2 in the morning. Then I'll get to the airport gate. I'll start doing more, then I'll pass out on the plane. Never stops. No. But I, you know, I do work hard for the hour. Yeah. That's good. This is how my life is. So I will then jump on an airplane and I will fly to Thailand for 3 days. It's awesome. Yeah. And
39:06  Speaker 1:  then like, yeah, I mean, I go to every concert I wanna go to, Big music nut. Oh, you're talking a little shit this morning. Was like, we're punk rockers around here, dude. Like, I'm gonna give you a punk rocker. I grew up on punk. You know what? You'll love this. So my assistant Tracy, her son, is dating Pennywise's daughter. No way. Yeah. That's funny. They're they're going on their, like, 1st or 2nd date. Pennywise got me to punk rock band. Yeah. Very 1st Pennywise.
39:28  Speaker 1:  I was gonna I have, like, 3 or 4 albums of Pennywise tapes. Tapes. If you know what a tape is at. Yeah. Yeah. A cassette. What the hell is that? Not the stuff you stick to the wall. That's a cassette tape. Mhmm. These kill them. Well,
39:40  Speaker 1:  how about this side? This was always a fun 1. I always do this at Christmas with the kids. I go, do you know the sound?
39:48  Speaker 1:  And they're like, what doing?
39:50  Speaker 1:  That's how you used to get on the Internet.
39:52  Speaker 4:  Did you see that, there was, like, a TikTok thing or something where they give these kids this, old school, like, can opener. They're like, what is this? They had no clue what you got. Actually, like, these kids are like, really? The hell is this? Yeah. I mean, that's actually pretty tough. Have you ever tried using 1 of those? It sucks. Yes. They're not the easiest. Whoever thought of that, I'd have mentioned
40:10  Speaker 1:  You know, all sudden, you're like, yeah. They change it. You're put this on here? Oh. Yeah. Man. Oh, sick. Did that for how long? Yeah. Seriously, bro. Did you ever see the old beer cans? Yeah. Did they they're like oil cans? Yeah. You you had a Cranko. Yeah. You had to a little divot on those side. Oh, yeah.
40:26  Speaker 4:  Old school. Yeah. Come a long way, man. With,
40:29  Speaker 4:  social media,
40:30  Speaker 4:  you're not a big social media guy, nor is Will. I wasn't until it became like a career. Marketing guys do it. But yeah, so
40:38  Speaker 4:  with you seeing kind of some of the stuff out there,
40:41  Speaker 4:  you're a knowledgeable guy, you know what you're talking about. When
40:44  Speaker 4:  people, like when you see a lot of stuff that's not legit,
40:47  Speaker 4:  how hard is that for you to see?
40:50  Speaker 4:  And do you think that social media has been good for peptides or bad for peptides? Both. It
40:56  Speaker 1:  literally
40:57  Speaker 1:  shed light to it, but now it's become a problem. Sure. Cause Yeah. You know, the problem with society is Instagramification
41:03  Speaker 4:  and Instagram people
41:05  Speaker 1:  will believe anything. True. You know, if I go on there and I It's all on Facebook. I mean, as someone that has a reputation in the industry that I do have a little bit, if I go on tomorrow and I post
41:16  Speaker 1:  something to the fact that
41:18  Speaker 1:  it's all over, everybody's going for the shutdown. I got the phone call. It's all over in a week. I guarantee you,
41:25  Speaker 1:  I would get a 100,000 phone calls. There'd be everywhere on the internet would be like, the whole industry is going by. Bye bye bye. I could do that as a joke under, like Mhmm. Yeah. April fools. Sure. Fuck with everybody.
41:37  Speaker 1:  I would never do that because it's not good. But you you could do that in sort of cases. And the problem is is these people that manipulate
41:44  Speaker 1:  tens of twenties, I mean, Ronaldo has 6 50000000
41:47  Speaker 1:  followers.
41:48  Speaker 1:  If Ronaldo gets on next week, starts talking about peptides. Oh my God. He could be speaking out of his complete ass. Yeah. He's got 6 58000000 people that might listen to him. Shit. Right? That's the problem with it now. In the beginning, when the Jay Camels, Hunter, Hunter Williams,
42:02  Speaker 1:  you know, things like that, they were
42:04  Speaker 1:  giving
42:05  Speaker 1:  factual information. They were literally reading science books, all that stuff. They're like, okay, this is in accordance with this and this study and this study, You know, it was really educational in the beginning. And most of was on YouTube, not on, like, Instagram. Yeah.
42:18  Speaker 1:  But now it's turned in. And then now the battle of shutting all those people down.
42:22  Speaker 1:  But, I mean, even the smart ones say dumb things. Yeah. The 1 that killed me the other day was this woman that got on and it's like BPC causes cancer. Yeah. On that 1 podcast.
42:32  Speaker 1:  And TB-five 100. Nuts, bro. TB-five 100 was like, please stop her. It was so
42:37  Speaker 1:  bad. No. No. Go look at the study.
42:39  Speaker 1:  TB-five hundred had no issues. It was going well. They canceled the study because the next phase was like a $100,000,000.
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44:14  Speaker 4:  to learn more. All ours to do, and there's no way to patent it. Well, she had to be, like, from big pharma She had to. I mean, she was so bad at sales too. Like in the well. You're full of shit, lady. Like but I'm surprised he even had what is it? Sean Ryan? Yeah. Sean. He had it on there. I was like, man. Man, I can't believe Sean Ryan let that happen. I would have been like, stop talking. Stop talking. You're crazy. That's not how it works. BPC a lot of fire, though. Like, she was always blasting the comments. Yeah. But do have any phone calls and emails and text messages I got? I got that stupid feed Yeah. Over and over. 45
44:46  Speaker 1:  times an hour that Sure.
44:48  Speaker 1:  Uh-huh. Same thing with doctor we talked about last time, doctor Trevor Bachmar, his stupid comments about that blends don't work. Yeah. Oh, the other 1, doctor Seeds, when he said, yeah, all bioregulators are are just expensive,
44:59  Speaker 1:  piss.
45:01  Speaker 1:  It's like, he's like, there's, there's no information on these. Okay. There's 50 years of it in Russia. Yeah, right.
45:07  Speaker 1:  Do they stop that though? Like, I mean, can they stop that? I mean, like you have, well,
45:13  Speaker 4:  I'm saying in regards to, like research, like research companies and things like that, now everybody and their brother has a peptide company, know? And like there are a lot of people now are going direct to China and like not testing them at all, not even companies, but people. And we all know that they're not gonna all test the way that they're gonna test. It's kinda, how are they gonna, how are they gonna like fix that? There's gonna be a rude awakening if you don't have the right paperwork. Testing. Yeah. Soon.
45:39  Speaker 1:  So this is a, this is what a lot of people don't understand about the Chinese market. The Chinese make this shit way better than I do. Yeah. In reality. My facility might cost
45:48  Speaker 1:  $10.15000000
45:49  Speaker 1:  to start, and I have ones that go up to maybe $50.70, dollars 100,000,000 in the big ones I'm building now. Their
45:55  Speaker 1:  facilities in China probably started 300,000,000
45:58  Speaker 1:  going to billions. These
46:00  Speaker 1:  state
46:02  Speaker 1:  of the art facilities
46:04  Speaker 1:  because they're making all the raw materials for the world people. This is not a you get us all over. It's it's like if I go, you build a house in Newport Beach. Is
46:13  Speaker 1:  that an American made house? Right. Built here, you built the house. Is it an American made house? What would you say? I would say yes. Okay. Yes. K. Where'd all the parts come from for that house? Right. Well, no. The nail the nails came from, came from Russia. Sure. The wood came from Canada. Right. Right. Right. You know what I mean? Like, shit came from yeah. A lot of shit come all the plastic stuff probably from China. For sure. Your house is an American house, but the things we do, we specialize,
46:37  Speaker 1:  and the countries have figured out. And that's why we have
46:40  Speaker 1:  these these groups. Like, I'm a member of, the
46:43  Speaker 1:  Pacific,
46:44  Speaker 1:  like trade association. So
46:46  Speaker 1:  the reason why they get together
46:49  Speaker 1:  every
46:50  Speaker 1:  2 or 3 or 4 years and they go over like, Hey, what are you guys getting into? So we don't double do this and screw each other over. Sure. Because you're gonna buy stuff from us, we need to buy stuff from you. If we both start building widgets,
47:02  Speaker 1:  we're both gonna be screwed. Yeah, right. Right? Let's be smart about this. So they get together and they talk about, hey, we have this resource we're gonna get into and they, you know, figure it out.
47:13  Speaker 1:  So, you know, China making the raw materials is disgusting. It's horrible pollutants. Totally. It's expensive. These facilities cost a ton of money to put up. And guess what? Our labor here in America sucks. Our our energy centers suck. We use coal, oil.
47:29  Speaker 1:  I mean, solar is like the only thing that we kinda have this clean and those things aren't when you build them, they're not clean. Sure. Whereas China has all nuclear energy, which is clean. So you look at it and go, they have the best advantage to do this process
47:42  Speaker 1:  over there. Let them have it.
47:44  Speaker 1:  Now, what is not legal in China is making a finished good. Yeah. Know most people don't know that. So the bottle, you know, when people were buying, you know, dollars 50,000,000 a year in peptides 10 years ago,
47:55  Speaker 1:  that's like China reacting to, and I say this whole time reacting to, like, I got a phone call. There's a cat stuck in the tree. I'm like, I'll be there eventually, lady. You know, like, get your cat down. Another cat. They're not going to go after these guys making, you know, if they stumble across it, sure. Right. It's like busting people with marijuana. Yeah, You know, they're like, ugh,
48:15  Speaker 1:  wasting my time. I was hoping you had fucking fentanyl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you get this going on. Well, now it's billions. And now China is now stepping up going, wait a 2nd. I want my revenue
48:26  Speaker 1:  on
48:27  Speaker 1:  this
48:28  Speaker 1:  $130,000,000,000
48:30  Speaker 1:  industry that they're controlling. Sure. 80% of the peptides in the world coming from them.
48:35  Speaker 1:  And they're not making a dime on it. Communist country, they want the money. So it's gonna get really hard,
48:41  Speaker 1:  not on necessarily arbors, which they're gonna crack down on that too, but China is now getting involved. Yeah. They want the money. Yeah. Sure. Wouldn't you? Yeah. Of course. So that's what's gonna get hard. So even though you might still be able to get the goods, things are gonna get more expensive. Yeah. The that price point for $3, $5, $6, whatever, like, if you're really buying large. Sure. They're gonna be like, it ain't worth it for us anymore. Because we're getting so many things confiscated.
49:05  Speaker 1:  Sure. It's gonna come back up. Of course. But that's kind of where it is and, you know, we don't make API over here like bulk. There's a couple companies trying to do it and I talked to them and they've asked me to partner with them. And I go, okay, if I give you $8,000,000 for your partner and
49:19  Speaker 1:  I need to buy
49:20  Speaker 1:  BPC, what's that gonna cost me as a partner that's invested in this company? Oh. Do you know how much of a kilo of BPC costs? No. Roughly? So if you're a big buyer, we're at about
49:30  Speaker 1:  anywhere between 95 and $130 depending on like quality or source. I go, what is it gonna cost me? They're like 370,000.
49:36  Speaker 1:  What?
49:37  Speaker 4:  So gonna pay $850,000,000 to increase
49:41  Speaker 1:  my cost around a percent. Yeah. Yeah. I this doesn't make any sense. They're like, but it's all American made now. And I go,
49:49  Speaker 1:  but I can't take through, like, it's already a price battle. Sure. That might make sense
49:54  Speaker 1:  down the road. Sure. But right now, I think you're gonna spend a lot of money to get a lot of door slam in your face. Yeah.
50:00  Speaker 1:  Gotcha. And that's the reality. So that's how this whole thing kind of works. And
50:05  Speaker 1:  who knows where it's gonna settle. I'll tell you right now, like we need China to make all these materials because we won't let it happen here. Yeah, it won't. Like I actually applied to build an API
50:16  Speaker 1:  facility, not to make like hundreds and hundreds of kilos, but to be able to make maybe like 10 to 15 kilos a month because I wanna make the specialty items. Yeah. That are really hard to find. JDD, DBN, Clotho, Follistatin, FLGR 242. Nice. It's hard to get those things. It's hard to you don't find people making them. They're hard. So if I can make them, every city turned me down. Really? Yeah. They are- Is it
50:37  Speaker 5:  it environmental?
50:38  Speaker 1:  That's the problem. Yep. So bad for the environment. Yeah.
50:43  Speaker 1:  Don't Yeah. Which mind.
50:45  Speaker 4:  Right. Right. I respect the environment. Let's protect our environment. We should. We should do a better job of it. We should. Well, that's interesting, man. So like, what would you say if somebody came to you and like, do they, do you think that people missed the boat in regards to the peptide wave? Are we just at the beginning? You know, everybody's starting a peptide company. They think it's very easy and it's just not easy. You guys It's not easy. You guys got in
51:07  Speaker 1:  early enough. I'd say if you're in now, you're, you have an uphill battle. Yeah. You better have money. The days of
51:14  Speaker 1:  I'm going to buy,
51:15  Speaker 1:  you know, a couple boxes and keep buying boxes and I can, you know, get a deal for these people call me and they're like, yeah, I want to get, I'm like that price, you got my 25,000 units
51:26  Speaker 1:  and I'm still $10 more than what you want to pay. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, oh, can I get a loan? And I actually do. I give
51:32  Speaker 1:  people 50% loans on their opening orders and
51:35  Speaker 1:  finance them. Okay.
51:37  Speaker 1:  Because people I like. Yeah. Yeah. But,
51:41  Speaker 1:  every
51:42  Speaker 1:  single person I talk to, I go, get ready. This is not easy like it used to be. No. Right. Right. Right. Right. You gotta go spend money on marketing and that's hard. You gotta find merchant processing very hard. Good luck. I mean, I have a merchant processor. I can give you merch. Like for instance, if you buy from me, I can give you merchant process
51:57  Speaker 1:  under 5%,
51:58  Speaker 1:  but you have to be a customer because
52:00  Speaker 4:  connected to us. Yeah, of course. Right? But if
52:04  Speaker 1:  I, if you guys did 1000000 dollars and $2,000,000
52:08  Speaker 1:  in process a month, usually go, can't touch them because their bank, all these banks have been
52:14  Speaker 1:  screwed over or, you know, shut down by MasterCard.
52:17  Speaker 1:  They get hit with fines, 210,000.
52:19  Speaker 1:  I got $210,000
52:21  Speaker 1:  for master credit. It actually wasn't American Express.
52:24  Speaker 5:  4
52:25  Speaker 5:  For bullshit.
52:26  Speaker 4:  That's just a day in the life of peptides, bro. Whenever we started 3 months in $60,
52:30  Speaker 4:  they held chase held $60
52:32  Speaker 1:  for don't have the Venmo account anymore. I don't have 8 ball account anymore. Nope. The frozen frozen was gone. It's a bitch, man. Yeah. So these people are so you okay. Great. You got in. Now you're paying 13%.
52:45  Speaker 1:  You have to give up 40% of your your income for the 1st $400,000
52:50  Speaker 1:  You're not making any money. Everybody knows that. I don't get how you make money in this. Well, it was easier 3 years ago. Yeah. Was easier.
52:56  Speaker 1:  But yeah. Because it's radically changed in the last year. Has. You know, like I said, if you're a really good marketer, you have a bank behind you, you can still do it.
53:05  Speaker 5:  But you gotta be doing it better and better and better. Like the standard, the people who can enter are people who are good business people with money. And
53:12  Speaker 5:  they're gonna
53:14  Speaker 5:  come in. We're seeing that a lot.
53:16  Speaker 5:  Quality-
53:17  Speaker 1:  Yeah. Correct. And right. They're not cutting corners. They're not cutting corners. No, they got the money they don't have to. No, it's- Rides up. When they, when I give them my price sheet, they go, this looks great. Yep. Because they're like, absolutely perfect. Yeah. And they, it's the other, it's all the other intangibles. So I'll build their software system,
53:32  Speaker 1:  you know? I integrate all their stuff for them. So they can pick up the platform and they can just start, they can, you know, it takes longer than you think, but it still takes a couple months, 3 months to build all the integrations on, but we give them something that works and they have the option. And we tell them, if you can go if you wanna go out and find something else, as long as it's not you're not breaking law, we'll integrate it into our system. Sure. You know, like, you have a pharmacy you wanna work with. Great. We'll put it in. I don't care. Maybe they have a better deal than I make it for them. I'll buy from them. You
53:59  Speaker 1:  know? Yeah. If I'm making testosterone at $80 and they're selling it for 60, I'm gonna start buying it from them. Sure. Yeah. No, it doesn't cost that much. I was thinking about you. So my telehealth- I know a guy. Yeah, how much, yeah, I know, right? So how much do you know what the market is right now? Know you guys have more peptides, but do you know what the market is right now for most people on telehealth? How much money do they pay per month on testosterone?
54:18  Speaker 1:  On a monthly basis? Monthly basis. I would say probably $3.50 a month. Okay. You Do know which I'm selling 3 months testosterone
54:24  Speaker 1:  for on my website? No. $90. Because
54:28  Speaker 1:  I don't like taking advantage of people. So
54:30  Speaker 1:  when we launched the site in about a week where we're just waiting for the, like some diagnostic
54:35  Speaker 1:  crap,
54:36  Speaker 1:  because the blood work thing is always a challenge. As soon as it's done, we launch it. Yeah, you get it 3 months of testosterone for $90 not
54:44  Speaker 1:  $90 a month, dollars 90 total, dollars 30 a month. And I'm fine. I'm at $20. I'm happy with that. When I 1st started the finish
54:52  Speaker 4:  stuff, I was stealing people from those types of things all the time. What the hell are you paying? Yeah. Transcendent
54:58  Speaker 4:  is the ultimate. When
55:00  Speaker 5:  I see that name, I went down, dude. $4,890
55:02  Speaker 1:  I read this, I go, bro,
55:04  Speaker 1:  $340.
55:05  Speaker 4:  Yeah. They would send me I would like, bro, what? I'm telling you the hell's from there. Woah. I know Paul is. Yeah. Paul was from He, like, helped to build the Whole cells. That's why
55:14  Speaker 1:  well, it's not why. I actually met him before that, but I held he helped me build mine. Mhmm. Yeah. He's just told us that. Yeah. He's integral
55:20  Speaker 5:  piece. And now he's gonna is he doing something? Is he gonna start training people? Or So I know that's what he I mean, that's Yeah. That's his heart. He loves that. That's where his heart is at. Like He loves that. He's a teacher. So I paid him to train our staff. Yeah, as you should. So we're gonna
55:34  Speaker 1:  actually allow him to do that as a career and a business that he can sell. So
55:38  Speaker 1:  I talked to him and I go, Hey, so how much do you do you charge? I charge 10,000 to $30,000 but that's a lot of money. It's great. I go, so how much work do you put in? I go, how many of these accounts can you do in a month? It's like probably 3 or 4. I go, okay. So best case scenario, 60 grids, $90.
55:55  Speaker 1:  You know, there's a cap on that. Let's say you called a 100. I go, you're gonna make 1000000 bucks a year. That's good money. I go, what do you think I will sell for? He goes,
56:03  Speaker 1:  yeah,
56:04  Speaker 1:  I'm not supposed to buy that. Right? Yeah. So
56:07  Speaker 1:  I go, what if I give you the infrastructure? And not to mention, I have 28,000 doctors. Probably a lot of them do need help. I'm gonna open that up. You're an employee with us. I'll go into business with you, but I'm gonna generate an entire plan for you and we're gonna start training our doctors in our network that have time. And instead of you baking 10, we're gonna give them
56:28  Speaker 1:  5, we're gonna split 5. But instead of just you doing 3, we're gonna get 300. Yeah. So you're gonna get 300 to 3 thousands. Now you're making 1,000,000 a month.
56:37  Speaker 1:  These doctors are gonna be stoked. They're like, wait a 2nd. I gotta go do a class on peptides for 1 day. Make $5.
56:43  Speaker 1:  And then if you get them to sign up, we'll give you 1000 dollar bonus. How does the doctor make $5? Because we're gonna educate them. We're gonna pay them to to do for
56:51  Speaker 1:  the education. Yeah, Paul going into the education. Paul is going to train these people into mini Pauls. Well, it makes more sense because then they sell more. They know more. They sell more. Where do they buy from? But this is the best part. We have all the doctors. We know the good ones. So we can go, who's our best doctors in Dallas? Let's start calling to see if they're interested. Most of these guys,
57:10  Speaker 1:  hell yeah, I can do a couple of these a month, get an extra $10.20000 in my bank account. Easy math. It's money for the kids or vacations. Right. Right. And then, okay, we need someone here. We need someone here so we can go around and start cherry picking areas that need the most help. Yeah. And,
57:25  Speaker 1:  know, if we need to fly them somewhere, we can. We'll pay for that, but we're gonna create an actual education network. We already built the platform.
57:31  Speaker 1:  We have a 100,000 pages of information
57:34  Speaker 1:  on peptides. Yeah. And we have tests.
57:37  Speaker 1:  We dumb it down to 0.167 grade reading level so that the words are too big.
57:42  Speaker 1:  You know, it could be, you can set up to where you're not allowed to move on until you actually answer the question. But
57:49  Speaker 1:  it's easy. You know, if you want to learn about, you know, what the hazardous materials are of any peptide, that's a section. So you can see toxicology reports, all of that. So if you're like, well, is it bad for you? Can it kill you? Go to the toxic culture. That's every, literally every report- Is it a roadmap for them to like- that product, does the sale kill you? No. Then you're not kidding.
58:09  Speaker 4:  When I,
58:10  Speaker 4:  I met, I met, how
58:12  Speaker 4:  you met Paul, I met Jay Campbell and Hunter. So I was up at a, at a conference and,
58:17  Speaker 4:  I had brought my kids, which was a bad idea because they're brunting all over and walking down the wind and trying to catch 1 of them. And I look up and Campbell's looking at me goes, JD, come here. I'm like, so I go talk to him and Hunter. I got a picture and all that. My wife's, you know, looking then, you know,
58:31  Speaker 4:  they leave. My wife goes, who was that? I'm all that was Jay Campbell. 100 and She's like, are you kidding me? I'm like, what? But anyway, so he came on the podcast and he's
58:39  Speaker 4:  such a good dude, man. Anyway,
58:42  Speaker 4:  he'd said basically that they had like kind of like a forensic
58:46  Speaker 4:  auditor, so to speak, come in to look at their website. How can we obviously monetize this as much as possible, blah blah blah? And they did their studies, blah blah blah. They looked into it and they said,
58:55  Speaker 4:  you need to dumb it down.
58:57  Speaker 4:  I mean, like, no, people don't understand what you're saying. Yeah. And he's like, you know, Jay, he's like, are you fucking kidding me? You know? Like There's not dumb down it. Yeah.
59:06  Speaker 1:  But I thought that'd be pretty funny, man. You kinda gotta do that. You do. That's why I think that's why I was able to connect with doctors because in the beginning, it was I wasn't a doctor, though. They were upset by that, but 1 of the peptides started coming around, they also, like, explained it to him and I wasn't gonna
59:19  Speaker 1:  big dick them. Yeah. You know? I just try and teach what they were. You know what I mean? So they didn't feel like, I don't know,
59:26  Speaker 1:  as much of that, I don't know, the dividing force that can come up where the ego kicks in. Yeah. That self righteous
59:34  Speaker 1:  ruse of a stool. They're the smartest dumb people I know. You know what I mean? They're
59:40  Speaker 1:  insanely smart, but what they don't wanna they don't care about, they're dumb. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of people are like that for anything. You go to an engineer.
59:48  Speaker 1:  Right. Holy crap. Like, you have you built that? Yeah. That's damned. But
59:53  Speaker 4:  then you, you know, you ask them to go cook you a hamburger in the kitchen. Right. Like, what, my kid was in here? Yeah. Like, what happened in here? I've seen so many smart doctors that like because I did mortgages. I've seen every, like, financialist of life, you know? Like, there's just, they don't all know how to run their business. They're not business leaders. They're They're not. It's true. And that's why- That doesn't mean you know how to run a business. And that's why we built Alpha- Sync because
1:00:16  Speaker 1:  they don't know how to run something. They're too busy to run business. They
1:00:20  Speaker 1:  should be talking to patients. Sure. That's like, for me, you asked me if I had had smart people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I brought
1:00:26  Speaker 1:  smart people. My COO is a freaking genius.
1:00:29  Speaker 1:  I stole the VP from Himsin Hers.
1:00:33  Speaker 1:  You know, I've like, she she runs all of my organization for our company. Mhmm. All of our project management. You know, you look at Paul, he's way smarter than me. I, you know, brought in a medical director. I you know, you look at it. I stole the general manager of CAPS, the 2 big 503Bs.
1:00:50  Speaker 1:  He runs my network in Charleston. Smart. Like you bring the best guys in the industry.
1:00:55  Speaker 1:  I stole Eli Lilly's,
1:00:57  Speaker 1:  QC guy. Holy shit. Like they're 1 of the top guys. Oh man. So
1:01:02  Speaker 1:  he knows how to QC. Yep. And quality does. So,
1:01:05  Speaker 1:  you know, he's a marquee star someday. Well, that's awesome. They have an audit right now. What do we say? You wanna get the rooms with the right, right men that'll change your life? You better have a damn good knock. Boom. Boom. So Paul did. I'm, I'm, we're stoked for it. I told him we, we call him brother, man. We love that guy. Yes. Yes. Yeah. We love Paul. We've known him for a long time. You got a good heart. He's got a good heart. Yeah. We like him a lot. Question. We're running out of time, but just raise your hand. What do you take? What supplements, if you're willing to tell us? Always. What's
1:01:33  Speaker 5:  what are you taking right now? Right now. From, like,
1:01:36  Speaker 5:  powder to peptides to testosterone.
1:01:39  Speaker 1:  Okay. So I've been doing a lot of test testio stuff. So I take Evogene non caffeinated
1:01:44  Speaker 1:  pre workout. Okay. I do gains
1:01:47  Speaker 1:  creatine.
1:01:49  Speaker 1:  I do,
1:01:51  Speaker 1:  global formulas,
1:01:52  Speaker 1:  BCAs.
1:01:53  Speaker 1:  Okay. That's what I take before the gym. Don't I don't eat before the gym, unless it's like a night thing and I beat. But get up in the morning, I go downstairs, I make that, I take a Tesofensine
1:02:02  Speaker 1:  and I take 50 mg of antivirus. Is your Tesofensine 500
1:02:07  Speaker 1:  micrograms? Okay. Micrograms. Yeah. And I take 50 mg of antivirus. Yes, I have a license. I can make ANNOVAR-3s.
1:02:12  Speaker 1:  Legally,
1:02:14  Speaker 1:  I have a license for it. I'm not taking a steroid. That's illegal. Yeah.
1:02:18  Speaker 1:  And then I do 5 units of growth hormone, 4 days on, 1 day off. Okay. Sometimes it changes based on schedule we talked about earlier.
1:02:27  Speaker 1:  And then I do 75 mg of NAD.
1:02:31  Speaker 1:  Do 1 mg of Semax.
1:02:34  Speaker 1:  I do 0.5 a milligram of P-twenty 0.5 mg of slank, 0.5 a milligram oxytocin.
1:02:39  Speaker 7:  And
1:02:40  Speaker 1:  then I
1:02:41  Speaker 1:  do,
1:02:43  Speaker 1:  1 mg of Clo.
1:02:45  Speaker 1:  I kind of, well, well, 1, 1, 1 kind of And
1:02:48  Speaker 1:  then, that's kind of the normal things. And then I rotate. So
1:02:53  Speaker 1:  every month I have my, what do I do that month? Because you run things, don't run SS-31. You don't run modesty all the time. So let's look at what June is. June peptides for June. So this month I ran
1:03:04  Speaker 1:  20 days of SS-thirty 1 at 5 mg a day. Great. Okay, good. I ran a cycle of Cardiogen,
1:03:11  Speaker 1:  Cardilax,
1:03:12  Speaker 1:  Penalon,
1:03:13  Speaker 1:  Thymalon,
1:03:14  Speaker 1:  LivAgain,
1:03:15  Speaker 1:  and Brontrogen.
1:03:16  Speaker 1:  So all the bioreglers. So I'll just take those this month and then I will take them again 4 months later. That's great. Sweet. That's cool. So how long do you plan that out? Like,
1:03:26  Speaker 1:  do you- Oh, it's every month, so like July. Okay. But do you plan, you got 6 months, do you have 6 months planned out? Like what do do? I have 20 years. Okay.
1:03:34  Speaker 1:  Yeah. Literally, I type them on repeat and then I'll add into them based on things or take them out. So
1:03:39  Speaker 1:  next month is MOTS-three because you repair.
1:03:41  Speaker 1:  SS-thirty 1. Got it. Now I do that. And I clean out my dead bad cells with FOX-four. I do my
1:03:48  Speaker 1:  Epitalon.
1:03:49  Speaker 1:  Next month, I do Vasu Jin, Chon Luton,
1:03:52  Speaker 1:  Pancreatine and Metformin. Great.
1:03:56  Speaker 1:  Next month will be something different. So if you had,
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1:05:32  Speaker 1:  Otherwise,
1:05:37  Speaker 1:  oh god. It's between Tesofensine
1:05:39  Speaker 1:  and NAD. Wow.
1:05:42  Speaker 1:  Because I'm a brain guy. Yeah. I love being smarter.
1:05:44  Speaker 1:  If I can Tesofensine just lights you up. Nice. Yeah. My I just fire. Like, you don't you wake up and you just go, Yeah, totally. And it doesn't impede on my sleep. People are like, oh, I can't sleep. Well, yeah, you take anything. If you, 1st time you drink a Coke, you can't go to bed. Yeah, I've never had a problem. Like, it doesn't seem like it's just, get, I take it right when I wake up and then empty stomach. Good, dude. Yeah. And it lasts 9 days in the system. So you're kinda if you miss it, you're not Yes. Slugfest
1:06:11  Speaker 1:  on it. Yeah. So, you know, I'll travel and crap. I forgot it. Where's my bottle on? And I left it. Okay. 3 days. No big deal. After about 4 or 5 days though,
1:06:18  Speaker 1:  I start to go, you know, I don't feel great today. You know, you do. Then When I go on vacation, I detox Yeah. To give my sensors a break.
1:06:26  Speaker 1:  And I sure shit by day 3 or 4, I am tired. Yeah. I am napping. Yeah. How do you run for then? How long roughly? I'll run it all year. I just take So the way that I take breaks, because I like taking breaks, always undersell
1:06:38  Speaker 1:  compared to take less than more on almost everything. Build up, like I take 5 units of growth. Do not start there. No. Start at 2. Right. Yeah.
1:06:47  Speaker 1:  So everything I kind of built, I'm still on 5th 500 to Tesofensine. I've been on it for 3 years. Yeah.
1:06:52  Speaker 1:  The
1:06:54  Speaker 1:  for what I was even doing right then. But, yeah, when, when I, when I start, like,
1:06:58  Speaker 1:  looking at taking anything that I take-
1:07:02  Speaker 1:  Thought through. You were taking talking about how you're taking breaks, how you take your breaks, and mean, how you take your breaks. Went right back to where I was. Yeah. Yeah. So I travel. So I look at it and go, I'm not gonna bring Semax. 1 bottle is 30 days. Yeah. That's my break. Okay. So if I could spend
1:07:17  Speaker 1:  3 weeks at home,
1:07:19  Speaker 1:  that means I get 1 week of break every month on LL-one. I see the same thing with working out vacation.
1:07:24  Speaker 5:  Like, we need to No. I don't mind, bro. Like, you know, yes. If we're lifting weights and lifting weights, man, it takes a toll. Sometimes we just need to let those tendons and muscles finally grow completely back. So on my vacations,
1:07:36  Speaker 1:  that's my break for just not lifting. I do BPC 1 mg in morning, 1 mg a night. Yeah. And I do 5 mg of TB-five hundred every 3 days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:07:45  Speaker 1:  I work out. Your healing. Yep. I can't. Think I have to. You will build some more muscle too. You get back? I will let your muscles slowly grow back. You're strong. Way bigger. Yeah. Way bigger. I always get back, Jesus. Yeah. I'm good.
1:07:57  Speaker 5:  And you ate a bunch of carbs, though. You're dainy and all stuff. What are you most excited about? What peptides,
1:08:03  Speaker 5:  1 or 2 or 3, I don't know, are you most excited about that are emerging that are gonna come out, people that maybe people should be looking out for or excited about? We're talking about on the horizon. Yeah. That one's gonna cure a lot of problems. Yeah.
1:08:16  Speaker 1:  With FLGR 2 4 2 is the 1st thing that really slaps muscle on you. Yeah. Jay's big promosalon. We partnered in that 1. The new cool 1 for all the GLP issue people that are gonna get hit with when Reta comes on, you're gonna be really hard to find that. Yeah.
1:08:30  Speaker 1:  We have a new 1, Lepto, and it has a little bit of IGF-one grafted on. Okay. And it's only once every 2 weeks of injection.
1:08:37  Speaker 1:  Okay. So we already produced it. We're going through human trial.
1:08:41  Speaker 1:  It's literally in my freezer. So
1:08:43  Speaker 1:  it's 1 shot every 2 weeks, and it will help with muscle wasting as well. Right. And that's so where does is it a okay. What is the IGF-one
1:08:51  Speaker 5:  purpose?
1:08:52  Speaker 1:  So it's it's GLB, GIP, glucagon with IGF-one. So so you can you're losing weight and the IGF keeps your muscle tissue. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. So you don't lose it as fast. It's very small amount, but also releases because it's got a 17 day binder.
1:09:07  Speaker 1:  So you're literally just micro dosing every
1:09:10  Speaker 1:  little
1:09:11  Speaker 1:  bit. Then the bloodstream never anything more. The other thing with Aloeven, so like for instance, if you take a Semaglutide, you take 1 mg,
1:09:19  Speaker 1:  you know, a week,
1:09:21  Speaker 1:  we can give you 0.1 that and you get the same result.
1:09:25  Speaker 1:  Wow. Well, that's nice. Yeah, it's really nice. So that's a know, there's good
1:09:32  Speaker 1:  be long term studies on that to make sure that our theory is correct, but that's what
1:09:36  Speaker 1:  models. Because you obviously run everything through models. So when you go to make a new product, you don't just go, Oh, I hope this works. You run, like I said, all the oral stuff that we're doing around, we created a product that coats
1:09:48  Speaker 1:  the peptide, goes
1:09:51  Speaker 1:  through the system, sneaks through the intestine, skips the liver and goes into your lymphatic system instead
1:09:56  Speaker 1:  of your blood. Okay. So that it would actually work because otherwise all worlds don't really work. Right? So we figured that out. So the modeling on it looks fantastic.
1:10:07  Speaker 1:  Like it's 24 times more bioavailable,
1:10:09  Speaker 1:  which is epic. The problem is, is when they do start doing these studies, just like if you go to a mice study, you look at the mice, there's a 100 mice in there. They all are white, they all red eyes. They all look the same size. They're all the same. Yeah. Humans are not that way. Sure. Looks
1:10:22  Speaker 1:  different than you. We're all different sizes and shapes. Right. They work that way. So when you, even though it models correctly or looks good at mice, once you get to a human, doesn't fall the same. So our model looks directly right. So that was $250,000
1:10:36  Speaker 1:  that I spent doing that. Now we're gonna spend 1000000 dollars actually human testing.
1:10:40  Speaker 1:  So
1:10:41  Speaker 1:  that starts in 30 days. We're doing all the formulations right now, producing all the tablets. It's all being done. Have fun. In our drug manufacturing facility,
1:10:49  Speaker 5:  legit IRB with the FDA. Oh, cool. Here we go. That's freaking awesome. That's really Really proud, man. List off some of the best success stories you've heard in this business. Like, just some miraculous
1:11:00  Speaker 1:  healings and we don't have much time. So just kind of maybe- It's biceps. It's 1 of them. Yeah. So I had a young lady, I threw a party at a Doctor. Seeds conference a year ago in Vegas and a young woman walked up to me and she,
1:11:14  Speaker 1:  she thanked me. I go, oh yeah, I'm like, nice to meet you. And she goes, goes, no, no, no. I really need to thank you. And I go,
1:11:21  Speaker 1:  course, you're welcome. What what are you thinking for? She goes,
1:11:23  Speaker 1:  I hadn't walked for 2 years.
1:11:25  Speaker 1:  Woah. And I'm walking today. Holy shit. Yeah, she had a, she broke her, ankle and the bone wouldn't heal.
1:11:33  Speaker 1:  So they kept on doing surgeries,
1:11:35  Speaker 1:  all
1:11:36  Speaker 1:  this stuff. She was in pain, would never heal. BPC TB 500 MGF,
1:11:41  Speaker 1:  Man. Her leg healed. She was walking. Holy crap. Then there's a 92 year old woman that was bedridden,
1:11:48  Speaker 1:  couldn't leave. She was asking her daughter to, to let her go. And
1:11:52  Speaker 1:  we gave her a PPC and r 2 90, and she was gambling
1:11:56  Speaker 1:  with her girlfriends 3 days later
1:11:59  Speaker 1:  at the casino.
1:12:01  Speaker 1:  That was all in 6 of my mind. Man. I
1:12:04  Speaker 1:  if I could tell you, I've heard 1000000 of these stories. Oh, I can only imagine 12 years of it. So million
1:12:10  Speaker 1:  I mean, the cancer, the reversal of kidneys, So
1:12:13  Speaker 1:  cirrhosis of the liver coming back.
1:12:17  Speaker 1:  You know, obviously curing mom's cancer, you can't walk away from that 1,
1:12:21  Speaker 1:  but it's insane. I mean, the, the amount of weight people lose and I sit there and go, there's no way my tattoo artists, I met her that did this piece. I met her in Colorado and
1:12:31  Speaker 1:  she was 3 20
1:12:34  Speaker 1:  pounds.
1:12:35  Speaker 1:  On her Instagram, when I was looking at her work, she was just jacked.
1:12:39  Speaker 5:  Power lifter. Yeah.
1:12:41  Speaker 1:  I go to get a chance to go. Like, woah. Yeah. She ate herself. Yeah. Right.
1:12:46  Speaker 1:  And, you know, very nice. I was on the phone the whole time working. She's tapped me in my chest.
1:12:51  Speaker 1:  She's like, you were the worst.
1:12:53  Speaker 1:  Talking.
1:12:55  Speaker 1:  I'm pulling lines on your chest. You're talking.
1:12:58  Speaker 1:  She's yelling at me. But I got to the end of day, I pulled the thing out us late enough and
1:13:02  Speaker 1:  she goes, so I heard you talking about today. That stuff really work? And I go, oh yeah. I literally walked over to my bag and I got her a couple bottles of stuff. I handed it to her. I said, trust me,
1:13:14  Speaker 1:  take these. Wow. What do you well, how much they cost? I go, no, they're on me. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Take them. I promise you. Or alright. Her mom calls me the next morning from Germany.
1:13:23  Speaker 1:  He goes, why do you give my daughter those?
1:13:25  Speaker 1:  And I go, she seemed very sad, and she didn't know where to go, and I thought they would help. She starts crying.
1:13:31  Speaker 1:  She goes, no, nothing one's done that for my daughter in 10, 20 years. Wow. She was like, should we cried all night for your generosity, I said.
1:13:39  Speaker 1:  Please trust me, I've never given her anything that wouldn't help her. She's down a 120 pounds. Bad.
1:13:44  Speaker 1:  And you're dating her. That is No. Different tattoo artists.
1:13:48  Speaker 1:  Different tattoo artists.
1:13:50  Speaker 1:  No, definitely not. She's had a lovely boyfriend because your last relation was not good. Okay. But her new boyfriend, he's a mortician.
1:14:00  Speaker 1:  But they I I I went to my office. They were out here for 2 months tattooing all of our office. So pretty much if you don't sleep That's dope. You can't get into our
1:14:08  Speaker 1:  crew. That's cool. At this point. Everybody's got full body suits. Pretty nice. We'll get it's like in the skin to skin them when they die. Exactly. You're gonna hang them on the wall.
1:14:18  Speaker 1:  But no one's gonna die from all the stuff that's gonna die. Right. So rad man. I mean, okay, let me ask you this. I love asking this 1. What do you think the age of death is gonna be
1:14:27  Speaker 1:  in 10 years? Not like
1:14:29  Speaker 1:  in 10 years you, but if someone's born 10 years from now, how long do you think they'll live? Yeah. Average. What is the well, can I ask you what what the current average white fan is?
1:14:39  Speaker 1:  70.
1:14:40  Speaker 1:  70. And it's gone up in the Yeah. 52. 52.
1:14:44  Speaker 5:  Now it's at 72. I would say in 10 years now from maybe
1:14:49  Speaker 5:  80 years old.
1:14:51  Speaker 5:  I'm gonna guess a 150. Holy shit. You think you're gonna progress that fast? Yes. Cause everything is- Clean the
1:14:58  Speaker 5:  food system. I think that the money will provide, I feel like here's the thing, maybe for the top money makers, they could, the treatments will be there. Think it's for the masses.
1:15:07  Speaker 1:  Think it's rich. Masses. For
1:15:09  Speaker 1:  I think in 10 years, if you were in that normal lifespan,
1:15:13  Speaker 1:  will, we will get to a point over the next 50, 60, 70 years, we will end death.
1:15:17  Speaker 1:  Wow. You're reversing cells. Do you, I mean, there's animals that don't die.
1:15:23  Speaker 1:  They call it the, like the eternal jellyfish or something like that. It never dies. It will live forever.
1:15:29  Speaker 1:  It recreates its own burst cells over and over and Jellyfish.
1:15:34  Speaker 1:  But
1:15:35  Speaker 1:  you know, the, the, that weird salamander that regrows, it doesn't just regrow. There's no scarring.
1:15:42  Speaker 1:  Wow. We've been studying these things for years. That,
1:15:45  Speaker 1:  that genetic
1:15:46  Speaker 1:  information
1:15:47  Speaker 1:  is being learned. We can grow organs now. So the general organ in your body, every organ is set for 150 years. Don't quote me on the exact number, but something gives out 1st. So if you're a big drinker, your liver goes out, you're overweight, your heart, right? Something goes out 1st. Sure.
1:16:04  Speaker 1:  Genetics, maybe a brain, but you're set. When you're born for, you should live to a 150. That's why we can now regrow or we're going to be able to regrow organs and we can also use peptides and small molecules and all these things to fix them.
1:16:17  Speaker 1:  Even if they're going the wrong direction. And with genetic testing, think about this. If you go get a genetic test right now, you didn't know if you were gonna get Alzheimer's with all these things before. If you're the CCG, it's not if it's when. Yeah. You're going to get Alzheimer's. Yeah. With Clotho, P-twenty 1, things like this, you can now take a 56 percent chance to get Alzheimer's, which means you're going to get it. 2, 3 percent with these products is what they're showing. Amazing, man. So now we've eliminated that death.
1:16:45  Speaker 1:  Wow. Obesity is gone. That's heart disease. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fatty liver, kidney problems, bone problems, all these. That goes away. We're gonna shoot through the roof. Okay. Ruth. I'm just saying. My theory, you guys can call me out in 30 years.
1:16:58  Speaker 1:  Oh, we're gonna be alive, baby. I'll remember. Do you think that they want that? We're still gonna be friends, I guarantee. The powers of B, pharma, pharma and all that. Do you think they want that? I mean, I think that they do because it just means they're getting more money off of people for long. They're still gonna control drug market. They're just going to make
1:17:13  Speaker 1:  it.
1:17:14  Speaker 5:  People
1:17:15  Speaker 4:  are just steering away from them, man. They they've like, whatever, whatever it was, was the catalyst to the change in each person. Right. We're all different.
1:17:24  Speaker 4:  They, they feel another gut intuition, whatever,
1:17:27  Speaker 4:  Like they're, we're moving in this direction and it's totally the opposite way, you know, and it's speeding up. Look at, look at the last year, you've been in it for 12 years. Yeah, but they're patiently waiting to take it back. But they will take it back. Like they're still, we're still talking about a substance taking, right? We're still talking about peptides. So they'll they'll Amino acids. Great. All controlled amino acids.
1:17:46  Speaker 1:  Yeah. They'll figure out a way.
1:17:48  Speaker 1:  They always do.
1:17:49  Speaker 5:  Even though it's a better way, but they'll figure out a way to control that too because it's still something you gotta take. You look at it and all of them the biggest pharmaceutical companies in world never solved a disease. No. They want
1:17:59  Speaker 1:  you sick, dude. They want you sick. And our hospital care system,
1:18:03  Speaker 1:  spend $5,000,000,000,000
1:18:05  Speaker 1:  a year on critical care medications. That's all we have for all the problems we have. That was a 0 50, 67 years ago. You didn't spend anything.
1:18:13  Speaker 1:  Right? It's the highest in the world by far.
1:18:16  Speaker 1:  At some point, there is gonna be a shift. We need to blow up the insure the insurance system. Yeah. Yeah. You need to go buy dates. Sure. We need to eliminate all this bullshit with Medicare
1:18:26  Speaker 1:  and all that. You gotta get rid of the people just sucking the money out and the fraud. Yes, yes, you do. You gotta get rid of these medications. Okay, here's statin drugs. Statins got God. Okay, last thing and then you can shut me up. Do you realize that how
1:18:42  Speaker 1:  putting a new drug to market goes now? How long? Well, there's not just that. A, they do that on purpose so that you can't do it so they can control it. People with money can build 1 of these. Right? So we're trying to change that. But
1:18:54  Speaker 1:  if you look at how they gauge it so let's say you have a product
1:18:59  Speaker 1:  that has a
1:19:01  Speaker 1:  80 percent success rate to cure cancer, a cancer,
1:19:05  Speaker 1:  but it costs $20,000,000.
1:19:08  Speaker 1:  And then I wanna build 1 and it's 79
1:19:12  Speaker 1:  percent, but it costs $5,
1:19:14  Speaker 1:  I won't be able to get my drug market. Because it's not as effective.
1:19:18  Speaker 5:  Geez. You only let like 1 drug and the most effective. It's
1:19:22  Speaker 1:  it's, that's why it takes a while. You have to prove that you're more effective. That's why the Retrutide came out. So you won't see a bunch of other GLPs. They have to be differentiating.
1:19:30  Speaker 4:  Yeah.
1:19:31  Speaker 1:  Or they have to be now you gotta lose 38%
1:19:33  Speaker 1:  of your body mass, which is like, Jesus, how much money weight are you gonna pull off of these?
1:19:38  Speaker 1:  That's how it works. So if they're gonna go after obesity with the GLP,
1:19:43  Speaker 1:  you now have to make it, doesn't matter how much it costs. You gotta keep winning. You gotta keep winning. And then they'll force that dollar amount into the insurance companies and then the insurance company fail and give brutal insurance. It's a joke. Man, that's just crazy. It's a joke. But they put the way they they put they structure that on paper, they make it real. Like, we're not gonna let shittier drugs come to market. Yeah. Well, no. No. I'll take the 79% for $5. Yeah, bro. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it works. Well,
1:20:08  Speaker 5:  I think the world the way of the world is turning also. Yes. We are doing that. We are being healthier in general. Look at smoking 5 5 years ago Oh my god. To today. It's crazy. I almost like this smoking. Crazy thing. Kids were, like, not drinking as much. I can't believe. Yeah. I mean, imagine when I was in college, we'd smoke cigarettes in bars, packed bar. Oh, yeah. Right? Like, walking through All the way. Imagine that today. It doesn't exist. Like, you go through a casino barely barely anybody smokes. No, it's true. They're like, hey, can I get an ashtray? Like, where's the ashtray? What the hell is that? So
1:20:37  Speaker 1:  that's changing and the and, you know I started smoking cigars, I'm like, I feel like I should do something. Do something bad. Yeah. I feel you. Yeah.
1:20:45  Speaker 1:  Cigarettes are gross. Oh
1:20:48  Speaker 4:  man, we could talk to you 1st. We'll it,
1:20:51  Speaker 4:  man. We'll do It's
1:20:53  Speaker 4:  been a
1:20:54  Speaker 4:  blast. Like we've been talking for a good hour and
1:20:58  Speaker 4:  2 hours at least. Oh, I can do 6 hours. So we, but yeah, we'll have you back. It's a pleasure and we're stoked to have you, man. And man, you are a wealth of knowledge and we would love to pick your brain anytime, bro. We
1:21:11  Speaker 4:  like to follow success, man. So, you know, mama didn't raise no dummy.
1:21:15  Speaker 1:  I'll be here as much as you'll allow me to. We gotta come on mama too. Appreciate you, man. Mine's not nearly as cool.
1:21:22  Speaker 1:  I bet it will be though. Yeah, the feeling that's gonna be little cool. I'm learning from you.
1:21:28  Speaker 4:  Iron sharpens iron, baby. That's right. Well, it's been a pleasure, man. So that is a podcast for the day. We'll catch you next around on the Q and A next week. All right. Later.