Peptide of the Week: Sermorelin Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-of-the-week-sermorelin/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:00 Speaker 0: Alright, 0:01 Speaker 0: my friends. Welcome back to the Peptide of the Week. I'm your host, JD Denim, and I got my co host, my buddy, Will T. Hoss. What's going on, brother? What's up, man? It's good to be back home. I've been traveling. Know that before we get started, let me just throw this out there for some certain people out there. We are not doctors. We are doing this because we 0:23 Speaker 0: enjoy talking about peptides, 0:25 Speaker 0: but don't take anything to heart. We're not doctors. Seek your doctor's help. We're just going to talk about peptides for fun. Sound fair? 0:33 Speaker 0: So today, let's talk about the peptide of the week. We are going to talk about a growth hormone secretagogue, 0:39 Speaker 0: which is going to be Sermorelin. 0:42 Speaker 0: Definitely a fun 1 that we're going to be able to dig into. We will dig into some of the other growth hormone peptides. 0:48 Speaker 0: So Will, take it over, bro. Tell us a little about a Sermorelin. We enjoyed this 1, I know, because we've talked about it. Tell us a little bit about Sermorelin. 0:56 Speaker 1: So there, I guess what is important to know is there's 2 different kind of types of growth hormone peptides. 1:04 Speaker 1: Classifications of GHRH, 1:06 Speaker 1: which is a growth hormone releasing hormone, 1:08 Speaker 1: and then GHRP, 1:10 Speaker 1: which is a growth hormone releasing peptides. 1:13 Speaker 1: This is a growth hormone releasing hormone. 1:16 Speaker 1: So Sermorelin, 1:18 Speaker 1: CGC-twelve 1:18 Speaker 1: 95, Tesamorelin, 1:20 Speaker 1: GRF are all GHRHs. 1:23 Speaker 1: GHRPs, 1:25 Speaker 1: Ipamorelin, 1:26 Speaker 1: Hexarelin, 1:28 Speaker 1: GHRP-two 1:29 Speaker 1: and 6, 1:31 Speaker 1: and also MK-677, 1:33 Speaker 1: which is a non peptide 1:36 Speaker 1: growth hormone releasing 1:37 Speaker 1: peptide. 1:39 Speaker 1: So 1:40 Speaker 1: this so Sermorelin works by stimulating your pituitary gland 1:45 Speaker 1: to 1:45 Speaker 1: have your body make more 1:48 Speaker 1: growth hormone. That's important to talk about there. That's the good the between some of them. 1:55 Speaker 1: Right. So all GHRHs 1:57 Speaker 1: work by stimulating pituitary gland to make to make more growth hormone. The GHRP 2:04 Speaker 1: is all work by stimulating your ghrelin receptors, 2:08 Speaker 1: which in turn makes you hungry, and some people have a problem with that. But those GHRP 2:13 Speaker 1: is 2:14 Speaker 1: essentially 2:16 Speaker 1: kind of help you release a lot of the the growth hormone. So 2:20 Speaker 1: when talking about these and when using any of these guys, like, I would 2:26 Speaker 1: without a doubt, you should always be using a GHRH and a GHRP 2:31 Speaker 1: together. 2:32 Speaker 0: Yeah, that's important. Let's sit on that for a 2nd because I don't think that many people know that. So let's say that 1 more time, you know, I know because some things require redundancy. Say that 1 more time. That's important. 2:44 Speaker 1: If you are deciding to use any of these growth hormone peptides, you should always use a GHRH 2:50 Speaker 1: and a GHRP 2:52 Speaker 1: together. They should always be stacked together. 2:54 Speaker 1: The effects are legitimately 2:57 Speaker 1: synergistic, 2:57 Speaker 1: right? When the Synergy, when the product of the whole 3:01 Speaker 1: product, when it's multiplying, right, product of the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts. 3:07 Speaker 1: It is going to have a multiplying 3:10 Speaker 1: effect. 3:11 Speaker 1: The GHRHs 3:12 Speaker 1: create 3:14 Speaker 1: more growth hormone, the GHRPs 3:16 Speaker 1: release it, have you allow you to use it. 3:20 Speaker 1: And some other benefits there, it's like you're gonna get a better effect than if you just did a whole lot of the GHRH. 3:28 Speaker 1: Okay? If you use moderate amounts of both of them, we're gonna see a much higher actual positive effect. 3:36 Speaker 1: Plus, 3:37 Speaker 1: you don't have to use a whole bunch of 1, and then there are side effects, there's desensitization 3:42 Speaker 1: that comes with that, etcetera. 3:45 Speaker 0: Yeah, and again, I think that's why it's important that Ipamorelin in regards, in general, is ran with so many different, like the CJC test, some Marelin, because you're combining 2 different, 3:56 Speaker 0: you're combining them both. Right, 3:58 Speaker 1: right. There's, you see blends, see a lot of these growth hormone blends and you will notice that they are always a GHR agent, GHRP blended together. 4:07 Speaker 1: You're never gonna see a blend of GHR 4:10 Speaker 0: agents. Yeah, I love that because I don't hear too many people talking about that. So that's why I wanted to kind of sit on that area. So let's talk a little bit about Sermorelin and just the benefits, 4:20 Speaker 0: because 4:21 Speaker 0: I think everybody, 4:23 Speaker 0: everybody is interested in the growth hormone secretagogues 4:27 Speaker 0: for obvious reasons. 4:28 Speaker 0: They have huge benefits, 4:32 Speaker 0: all of them. But today we're talking about Sermorelin. So let's talk about some specifics 4:36 Speaker 0: on Sermorelin 4:37 Speaker 0: in particular. 4:39 Speaker 1: Sure. 4:40 Speaker 1: Guess the biggest 1 is it is Sermorelin is FDA approved 4:44 Speaker 1: and 4:46 Speaker 1: is hands down the most widely 4:48 Speaker 1: used and prescribed 4:50 Speaker 1: growth hormone peptide out there. 4:54 Speaker 1: And so, I mean, it is used by doctors and anti aging clinics to pair with, 5:01 Speaker 1: well, 5:01 Speaker 1: anti aging and TRT programs, 5:04 Speaker 1: and has been, 5:05 Speaker 1: yes, it's approved, right? It's the most widely 5:09 Speaker 1: researched and approved because it's essentially the safest 5:12 Speaker 1: out there. 5:14 Speaker 0: Because if you found it in longevity, you could take Sermorelin in particular for long periods of time. 5:20 Speaker 1: Yes, and the reason is it's actually 1 of the fastest acting growth hormone releasing 5:25 Speaker 1: hormones. 5:29 Speaker 1: It works quick, it's in you, then out of you. So you're not 5:33 Speaker 1: your system at all times. There are some of these like MK-677 5:36 Speaker 1: that stay in you for 7 days and flood you with growth hormone, 5:42 Speaker 1: which in turn can lead to some side effects and issues. 5:47 Speaker 1: Not 5:48 Speaker 1: super bad, but yes, that's why this can be used for long term. 6 months, 5:54 Speaker 0: take a month off and do it again. 5:57 Speaker 1: Would 5:58 Speaker 0: you advise somebody in particular, because I know I do this and I kind of advise people to do this, but 6:04 Speaker 0: would you say running like a Sermorelin, 6:07 Speaker 0: like a Sermorelin for, let's just, you said 6 months, let's say 6 months, taking a month off and going back to Sermorelin or changing it up? Mean, there's so many growth hormone peptides. 6:18 Speaker 1: What about like a changing it with the Tesamorelin or something like that? What would you say? I'm curious. Yes, absolutely. I would definitely say change it up. And again, we're always talking about if you're gonna take Sermorelin, you need to be taking a GHRP also. So just FYI, when we say, we're gonna use Sermorelin, we're talking about that, and then your choice of Ipamorelin, 6:38 Speaker 1: Hexarelin, 6:39 Speaker 1: GHRP, MK-677. 6:42 Speaker 1: But, yes, I would change it up. 6:44 Speaker 1: 1st of all, like, let's just try, like, all of these supplements, everything works a little bit different in every individual's body. Some people, you know, 1 person will say, man, I loved this 1, and the other person will say, I hated it. Right? And on paper, 6:59 Speaker 1: it says it's doing the same thing, but everybody's body makeup is a little bit different. So a, 7:04 Speaker 1: you should, 1st of all, experiment with yourself so you know, hey, what works better for me? And even if you find 7:11 Speaker 1: 1 that works better, I would still switch it up, right? Because their body can build a 7:17 Speaker 1: tolerance to some exact, 7:19 Speaker 1: to the exact same compound. 7:22 Speaker 0: But for those that are new to peptides, 7:25 Speaker 0: you know, that's why I think we started with Sermorelin. 7:29 Speaker 0: It's FDA approved. 7:30 Speaker 0: That's important to a lot of people out there. So 1 of the things that, I mean, I'm not 1 of them, but 1 of the things that I do like about the FDA approval is the fact that it does mean it has been studied 7:40 Speaker 0: for a long time. So that's what I like about it. So if we're talking anybody's out there and having questions on growth hormone, peptides, secretagogues, 7:49 Speaker 0: Sermorelin would probably be the 1 you would probably want to start with just because it's been studied for so long, you can take it in longevity for long periods. So that would definitely be something that I would suggest. 8:01 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And it's also not going to, 8:04 Speaker 1: it's not going to just overproduce 8:08 Speaker 1: growth hormone. 8:09 Speaker 1: Like, you're you know, there is essentially kind of a governor 8:14 Speaker 1: on how much growth hormone it's going to it's gonna make your body make. Which is huge if somebody's like 8:22 Speaker 0: growth hormone and 8:24 Speaker 0: taking another Ipamorelin and stuff like that. I mean, if you're taking too much, obviously you could take too much. And if your body is creating too much growth hormone, 8:32 Speaker 0: I mean, you're gonna basically be tired. 8:35 Speaker 0: You know, your bones might hurt, you know, have you ever taken too much growth hormone where you're achy and stuff? Those are some of the signs that you're taking too much growth hormone, but this is a governor that will kind of block that. So that's right. Yeah, 8:48 Speaker 1: yes. And then I guess why, I mean, what the hell? Why do we want take, why do we want higher growth hormone in general? 8:58 Speaker 1: List is kind of long, right? So improved sleep, especially Sermorelin. 9:03 Speaker 1: Sermorelin is 9:05 Speaker 1: a little bit better that this than some others, but it is going to increase your sleep, especially that sleep 9:11 Speaker 1: that is in the the biggest kind of pulse of HGH 9:16 Speaker 1: making, 9:18 Speaker 1: which is like 2 hours before you go to sleep. 9:21 Speaker 1: And anyway, so improved sleep. Right? Promotes it'll promote fat loss, especially visceral 9:26 Speaker 1: fat burning. It'll increase your BMR. It will with your basal metabolic rate. 9:32 Speaker 1: It will help with muscle with muscle 9:34 Speaker 1: repair, hypertrophy, but also like DNA repair, which in turn, you know, improves skin, skin elasticity, 9:42 Speaker 1: and muscle repair. 9:44 Speaker 1: Even like neuroprotective. 9:46 Speaker 1: So it's going to stabilize 9:48 Speaker 1: your mood a bit and mental increase mental clarity. 9:54 Speaker 1: And what else am I missing? I don't know. 9:57 Speaker 0: Blood vessel side, actually. So there's some studies actually. Recovery, you're gonna get a little bit more cuts in your muscle. You know, obviously, you just focused on this, but everybody wants this. It's gonna focus in on that visceral fat in your in your belly. 10:11 Speaker 0: And again, let's talk really quickly about kind of a best 10:16 Speaker 0: used practices with Sermorelin. 10:19 Speaker 0: So I know both you and I are big fans of actual human growth hormone synthetic, you know, like centropin or dentropin. 10:26 Speaker 0: So if somebody was going to do something to really maximize 10:31 Speaker 0: growth hormone, 10:33 Speaker 0: let's kind of run through a protocol that you would suggest. 10:36 Speaker 1: If 10:38 Speaker 1: we are talking about, 10:39 Speaker 1: I personally 10:41 Speaker 1: take 10:42 Speaker 1: actual 10:43 Speaker 1: human growth hormone, right, exogenous or that is the actual growth hormone. It's not 1 of these peptides that's telling your body to naturally make more of your own. I take small doses. I take 2 IUs and I take those in the morning. So I guess 11:00 Speaker 1: before this, it's important to know that how growth hormone is 11:05 Speaker 1: secreted in our body is actually in pulses throughout the day. Throughout the day and throughout any 24 hour period, 11:11 Speaker 1: our human bodies have a natural rhythm and they generally say about 4 to 7 times a day we have these growth hormone releasing pulses. 11:19 Speaker 1: The biggest pulse, 70 to 80% of all of our growth hormone in 24 hour period is released when we are sleeping. 11:27 Speaker 1: It's about 2 hours after we go to sleep or so. 11:31 Speaker 1: So that's a huge amount. Then is the next 11:34 Speaker 1: most is pre wake up from 4 a. M. To 6 a. M. We have a moderate pulse and then from 7 a. M. To 10 a. M. Mild 11:44 Speaker 1: pulse throughout the afternoon. 11:47 Speaker 1: There's 2 more pulses that really aren't aren't much at all. So 11:52 Speaker 1: why that is important. So in the morning, at night sleeping, we make the most. We make an overwhelming majority. 11:59 Speaker 1: We do not want to do actual 12:02 Speaker 1: growth hormone at nighttime 12:04 Speaker 1: when your body is making it, because then your body will say, Hey, I already have a bunch. 12:10 Speaker 1: I got a bunch in me. Right? Why would I make more? So you don't wanna slow your patterns down. Now when we wake up, 12:16 Speaker 1: right when we wake up, it's pretty low, and that's a good time to just give our body artificial growth hormone. So I take the, like, 2 IUs in the morning, but at night, the this is when these 12:29 Speaker 1: peptides, 12:30 Speaker 1: the growth hormone secretagogues 12:32 Speaker 1: should be best taken. That's when I do it at night, 90 minutes after 12:37 Speaker 1: a meal. You wanna do them fasting, they're organ fasted. They're gonna work a whole lot better, 12:42 Speaker 1: and that will just increase the natural output. 12:47 Speaker 0: Yeah, so it's funny that you say that because, you know, we've been around just gym room, the gym, gym rats and just guys like that for so long, but man, I'll tell you what, it's very common for people to think that you should be taking actual synthetic growth hormone at night. 13:03 Speaker 0: You get that a lot. 13:05 Speaker 1: Well, 13:07 Speaker 1: and I think the reason is, is before these peptides existed, 13:11 Speaker 1: you know, 10 years ago, before doctors knew about them, anybody, 13:15 Speaker 1: if you were an older person and 13:19 Speaker 1: your natural growth hormone was very, very deficient, doctors were saying, Hey, take growth hormone 13:25 Speaker 1: at nighttime. 13:27 Speaker 1: That's what naturally we have a bunch of growth hormone. So, and at that point, they weren't worried about slowing their growth hormone down because there was not much left to slow down. So there's still a lot of literature and prescribing recommendations out from doctors 13:41 Speaker 1: to take actual growth hormone at night. 13:44 Speaker 1: Nowadays, 13:45 Speaker 1: we don't need to. Now that there are so many of these peptides out here and 13:50 Speaker 1: they work, that's when to do those. 13:53 Speaker 0: Yeah, so like what he said to focus on that for a 2nd, you know, again, if you wanted to kind of run it in the best, like synergistic order to really maximize the growth hormone is human growth hormone in the morning, right? When you wake up, 14:07 Speaker 0: fasted. 14:08 Speaker 0: And then at the end of the day, like right before bed, 14:11 Speaker 0: fasted for give or take at least an hour and 0.5, at least, 14:14 Speaker 0: you're gonna run 1 of these growth hormone peptides, you know, Sermorelin, 14:19 Speaker 0: CJC, Ipamorelin, 14:20 Speaker 0: Hexarelin, all those. 14:22 Speaker 0: And that's what's going to help your body to generate 14:25 Speaker 0: its own while you sleep. Did I get that You 14:29 Speaker 1: got it right. Yes, And you we can't overstress, guys. Like all peptides, 14:33 Speaker 1: really, really important to take them in a fasted state. Yeah. Yep. And I would say, hey, better safe than sorry. Right? 14:41 Speaker 1: 90 minutes, an hour and 0.5 is a great time frame 14:45 Speaker 1: that you should not be, taking them 14:48 Speaker 1: until that last meal, 90 minutes beforehand. 14:51 Speaker 0: Did I say that right? Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about, people in particular, this is the easy part, but people that should be taking growth hormone, 14:59 Speaker 0: the Sermorelin, because I know this is the focus on, who would you say that you would highly recommend it for? 15:06 Speaker 1: Everyone 15:07 Speaker 1: who is an adult. So highly recommended elderly 15:10 Speaker 1: people, for sure. It is absolutely going to help increase your bone density and keep 15:16 Speaker 1: your lean muscle. And as we get older, 15:19 Speaker 1: those 2 things rapidly 15:21 Speaker 1: decline. This is why old people break bones, you know, and so I have some fall 15:25 Speaker 1: down and break their hip. 15:27 Speaker 1: And 15:29 Speaker 1: so, absolutely, a 100 they should be doing they should be doing this. We also see just muscle declining off of us as we get older. 15:37 Speaker 1: Anybody, you know, it's not these are not for the 15:41 Speaker 0: young kid who's 20 who wants to just get huge, right? Sorry. My next question, I was gonna actually ask you because I wanted to throw a curve ball at you. So I've had a few fathers with younger sons 15:54 Speaker 0: reach out to me in the last, 15:56 Speaker 0: give or take, year and ask about this. So I wanna throw this to you. So a little bit of a curveball I'm gonna throw at you. Father asks you, Hey, my son is trying to play professional baseball. We want Johnny to play in the NFL. 16:09 Speaker 0: He is, let's just throw that out, that number 20. What is your stance on that? What would you recommend 16:15 Speaker 0: for, 16:17 Speaker 0: off, would you recommend an HGH, actual HGH? Would you recommend 16:21 Speaker 0: a growth hormone peptide like Hexamorelin, Tesamorelin, 16:25 Speaker 0: Sermorelin? Would you recommend that at all or would you say, Hey, listen, let's be super conservative. Your son has a lot of growth hormone in it. Let's just not do that. 16:34 Speaker 1: Man, to be honest, 16:37 Speaker 1: well, 1st of all, 16:39 Speaker 1: it is not gonna make anybody's bones grow and make you taller. 16:42 Speaker 1: The only studies say that when your growth plates are still growing, it actually can, but the science isn't there. So do not give your little children 16:51 Speaker 1: this stuff. Okay? It's not gonna probably make them taller. It's gonna probably give them some weird side effects. 16:56 Speaker 1: Man, I don't know, that question is tough. 16:59 Speaker 1: I don't 17:01 Speaker 1: playing football and playing real deal sports 17:05 Speaker 1: are stressful on your body, 17:08 Speaker 1: and these 17:09 Speaker 1: performance enhancing drugs, 17:11 Speaker 1: this isn't although this isn't steroids or anything like that, but 17:16 Speaker 1: I don't know how much good it would do, to be honest. I wouldn't take regular 17:21 Speaker 1: HGH. 17:22 Speaker 1: I would say no on the HGH. 17:25 Speaker 1: 1st of all, I just don't think it's gonna do that much for a young man. 17:30 Speaker 1: And 17:32 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I just kinda feel bad about, like, 17:35 Speaker 1: it's cheating, but 17:39 Speaker 1: it's not, I just don't think it will do that much to That's a good thing 17:42 Speaker 0: a young person. Gear or anything aside, do you think so your stance is you don't think it would benefit a young 20 year old enough to the degree where you would risk it? Is that what I'm understanding? Yes. 17:55 Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. What about 17:57 Speaker 0: about like a m MK-six 77? 18:01 Speaker 1: That will help. That will because that'll eat make them eat more. Exactly. That'll make them eat I mean, that will make them eat more. Everybody want every young kid wants to gain weight depending 18:11 Speaker 1: on what sports you're playing, but 18:13 Speaker 1: that will help. That will get you that will get your 18:16 Speaker 1: appetite up and, yes, your natural growth hormone up, but I think that 18:21 Speaker 1: just the increase of appetite is what is actually working more 18:26 Speaker 1: than the 18:28 Speaker 1: growth hormone increase. 18:29 Speaker 0: Yeah, I agree. 18:31 Speaker 0: I 18:32 Speaker 0: say that because that was kind of my stance because it is, it's a rough, I mean, you're talking about young, younger kids and 1, you don't want to open the doors to any type of steroids and these things can lead to that. Obviously, 18:43 Speaker 0: my stance on it was 18:45 Speaker 0: an MK-677 18:47 Speaker 0: just because of the food part. It would make them hungry. If you're a young 20 year old, 18:53 Speaker 0: eat, you want to get big, eat a lot. You have a fast metabolism, so you should be eating. So MK-677 18:58 Speaker 1: will really help with that. It will help with that. I mean, yes, and some of us, it's hard. I went to 19:05 Speaker 1: school 19:06 Speaker 1: when 2 15, 2 20, even by the next year, I was playing football starting the season at a 2 65. 19:15 Speaker 1: There were plenty of nights where I would eat and just eat so much that I would end up throwing up after dinner because the coaches are walking by like, eat more, get another plate, get another plate. That's funny. 19:25 Speaker 1: I mean, I would start seasons at 2 65 and finish them at 2 15 just because I could not. That's a lot of weight up from all the film and travel, etcetera. 19:35 Speaker 1: 2 15, I was a tight end is is a tough position to play at 215 pounds. A lot weight 2 65 to 2 15. Damn, dude. Yeah. 19:44 Speaker 1: But, you know, I guess I'm naturally a lean person. When I stopped playing football, I think I lost 40 pounds in the 1st 19:50 Speaker 1: month from 19:52 Speaker 1: just starting to eat 3 meals a day. 19:54 Speaker 1: It's a normal life. 19:56 Speaker 1: Body didn't like being that heavy. So 20:00 Speaker 0: let's talk a little bit about people that should not take it. This one's kind of an easier 1, think, just simply because 20:07 Speaker 0: there are some risks with human growth hormone. There are some risks with growth hormone and secretagog. 20:11 Speaker 0: Let's talk about that a little bit. Who would you recommend should not actually 20:15 Speaker 0: take 20:17 Speaker 0: a growth hormone 20:18 Speaker 0: synthetically 20:19 Speaker 2: or actual secretagog? 20:21 Speaker 1: Anybody 20:23 Speaker 1: with cancerous cells, I think that's the glaring 20:27 Speaker 1: that is the glaring answer. 20:30 Speaker 1: Cancerous cells, precancerous cells, I don't know. There's there's people that say, hey, we all have cancer. We all have precancerous cells in us. But 20:38 Speaker 1: I don't know, guys. I would just be very conservative with it. If you have had cancer, 20:42 Speaker 1: if you don't 20:43 Speaker 1: I would not take it. If you have if your family has a long history of cancer, I also 20:49 Speaker 1: just wouldn't take any of these 20:52 Speaker 1: growth hormone secretagogs 20:54 Speaker 1: or actual 20:55 Speaker 1: HGH. 20:57 Speaker 1: The benefit 20:58 Speaker 1: is just not worth it, and I'm not going to advise anybody to do that in case it actually 21:04 Speaker 1: brings back cancer or gives them cancer. That is terrible. That's devastating. 21:08 Speaker 0: Yeah, I mean, I don't think the risk of cancer is as high as 21:14 Speaker 0: it's been widely thought of out there with the growth hormone. 21:18 Speaker 0: I mean, everybody thinks that because that whole thing has ran wild. But I think what Will is saying, not to put words in his mouth, but just 21:26 Speaker 0: be safe, man. There are so many rad peptides that if you have a family that cancer runs in your family, 21:34 Speaker 0: we would advise you to not take a growth hormone or a growth hormone peptide 21:39 Speaker 0: just because why risk it, man? You can take 21:42 Speaker 0: so many other peptides that will have some similar benefits, if not others that are better. 21:48 Speaker 0: You know what I mean? So like, just air on the fact of just being safe. That's all we're saying, man. Yeah, agree. And you're right. The risk probably isn't as much as, 21:58 Speaker 1: I don't know, all negative 22:00 Speaker 1: effects get blown up, right? We hear about 22:04 Speaker 1: And it also is driven by 22:06 Speaker 1: just general 22:08 Speaker 1: a lot of supplement companies who these Rumor mail just to compete. I don't know. Let's just say this stuff is just terrible for people. And we'll send you shouldn't be taking it, we'll sell more. But 22:19 Speaker 1: I wouldn't risk it. I mean, that's me personally. People can do whatever they want to do, but there's a lot of 22:25 Speaker 0: other effects. Taking growth hormone. I mean, I'd heard that too. It's going to lead to cancer, blah blah blah. But anything that I do, I kind of study and I look into it and 22:34 Speaker 0: there's really not that much out there that says that it's going to lead to cancer. Now, if you're taking 8 to 10 IUs a day, if you're taking anything abusively, 22:42 Speaker 0: it's going to yield negative results. 22:45 Speaker 0: If you're just being like 22:47 Speaker 0: using something for the benefit, like literally to get the benefit and that's it, like conservatively, 22:53 Speaker 0: you're really at a low risk, man. You just really are, you know? Just 22:58 Speaker 0: the truth. Just the truth. It's got a bad rap. Growth hormone has a bad rap. We would on the side of being conservative if cancer runs in your family. And by all means, if you have had cancer, don't take it. Why risk it? 23:10 Speaker 0: But for the normal, you know, Joe Brown, you know, we both take them. We both take growth hormone and we both take these, pedagogues 23:19 Speaker 0: because they work well. And for guys like us that like to lift weights, they help prepare your muscles, man. Especially, 23:26 Speaker 0: you know, we both played ball, we both have been lifting heavy weights for a long time, so we take these for a reason because they work. 23:33 Speaker 1: You know, another rumor, Mel, is that 23:36 Speaker 1: growth hormone is this miracle drug and no wonder that 23:41 Speaker 1: somebody is hugely buff or cut up because they're taking HGH. Like, guys, it is not. Regular 23:47 Speaker 1: HGH. The security guys, they're they're they're they're not as amazing also as people as people think, and they sure as hell don't work fast. 23:56 Speaker 1: For 23:58 Speaker 1: like, really, you know, I wouldn't even make a decision 24:02 Speaker 1: until you've ran either for at least 4 months. 24:06 Speaker 1: That seems to be, 24:08 Speaker 1: yeah, the threshold. I wouldn't even start. I wouldn't even I mean, we talked about this earlier. Right? Like, I wouldn't even don't even waste your money. If you're gonna buy 1 bottle 24:15 Speaker 1: and go for 1 month or 24:17 Speaker 1: just save your money and do something else. There's no point. 24:22 Speaker 0: Yeah, so let's talk about that because I don't think we've talked about that on here. That's important, dude. Let's sit on that. For anybody listening, any type of peptide company you wanna use, doesn't matter. 24:31 Speaker 0: If you're gonna buy 1 bottle of Tesamorelin, 24:34 Speaker 0: don't do it. It's not going to do anything. Like if that's, you're going to play for 3 weeks or 1 month, it's just really just save that money, man. These peptides are good. They work great. 24:43 Speaker 0: Unless you're talking about GLP-one or something like that, most peptides need to be ran for months, months, plural, where like, you're really gonna get the benefits over time, you know? So, 24:54 Speaker 0: you know, if that, we're just being honest with you, you know, if you get a 1 bottle of BPC-157:5mg, 25:01 Speaker 0: that's not even a full cycle of what it's, so just don't do it. Like, you know, it's not worth the money. So these things are, peptides 25:09 Speaker 0: are so amazing, but you need to run them for months, just to be blunt. You need to run them for months. So unless you're in it to really get the true benefits, 25:18 Speaker 0: that's what I would say and get advice I would give anybody if you're doing it for a while. Yep. And especially the secretive drugs. 25:27 Speaker 1: 4 months, 6 months, guys, like that's 25:29 Speaker 1: minimum. 25:30 Speaker 1: Don't make a decision if something works or doesn't work in any shorter amount of time for that. And budget for it, plan for it, and 25:37 Speaker 1: there's no point in doing it. Now BPC, you're right. 1 5 mg bottle is not enough. 25:42 Speaker 1: But with BPC, you're gonna feel it faster than formalized. Gonna 25:46 Speaker 1: feel a little bit. For the most part, yeah, you're absolutely right. 25:51 Speaker 0: Don't even mess I mean, and that's part of the reason why we're doing this. We love peptides and we're still growing and learning ourselves, but that's the key is we are still growing and learning and we don't stop. We continue to read and read and read and try and try and try. And we work with a lot of people that try different things. So that's how we know, you know, and you're not gonna know unless you try it, you know? That's just the best way. You can read all about it, that's good to start there. 26:20 Speaker 0: But everybody's body is a science project, man. Just because it works, Tesamorelin works great for me, you might hate it. You know what I mean? So you're not gonna know until you try it. Yep, absolutely. 26:30 Speaker 0: And 26:31 Speaker 0: very simply put, 26:33 Speaker 0: these are chains of amino acids, man. You don't need to worry about them much. There's not a whole list of risks, a little bit here and there, I guess, but not really. 26:44 Speaker 0: So try them for God's sake, man. Try them. But like try them for a few months, 26:48 Speaker 0: get yourself a nice stack written down and then try it. I guarantee you, if you 26:53 Speaker 0: run a 26:55 Speaker 0: growth hormone peptide for a few months, you will see a difference. You will. You'll feel different. So- Yep. And right. Peptides are just our 27:03 Speaker 1: they are just a chain of amino acids. 27:06 Speaker 1: And 27:07 Speaker 1: for the most part, they are 27:09 Speaker 1: signaling 27:10 Speaker 1: our body to just do its natural function, but maybe a little bit better. 27:15 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not like we are introducing 27:18 Speaker 1: a 27:19 Speaker 1: a actual 27:20 Speaker 1: hormone 27:21 Speaker 1: into your body, and then now our body, you know, reacts accordingly by 27:26 Speaker 1: slowing down its production of that same hormone or etcetera. Right? These are just signaling your body to do something normal. 27:36 Speaker 1: There's no 27:38 Speaker 1: there's no down there's no, like, let down at the end of it. You're 27:43 Speaker 1: really no worse for wear when you're done with them. I 27:47 Speaker 0: love when I read through certain comments when I talk about different peptides and there's certain people that yell and scream, 27:53 Speaker 0: Yeah, wait till you see his insides. They're chains of amino acids, bro. 27:57 Speaker 0: That's it. Like, calm down. 28:00 Speaker 1: And eat healthy and exercise. 28:02 Speaker 1: Like, 28:03 Speaker 1: duh. 28:04 Speaker 1: That that's also the key is you can't just take, 28:08 Speaker 1: yeah, you can't just take any just drug 28:12 Speaker 1: and expect it to make you healthy immediately just just from that. Right? We also have some lifestyle factors that we need to increase. Oh, yeah. Which brings us to another point. So 28:20 Speaker 1: these 28:24 Speaker 1: secretagogues 28:25 Speaker 1: can be 28:27 Speaker 1: be made to work extra good like any if you are in a fasted state, k, 28:32 Speaker 1: that 28:33 Speaker 1: releases our natural growth hormone. Any type of stress, and I mean positive stress like exercise, 28:40 Speaker 1: hot, cold, 28:41 Speaker 1: that helps your body just start making more growth hormone. 28:44 Speaker 1: Even every time that you are hungry, right, guess what, our body is starting to make more growth hormone, 28:50 Speaker 1: which is why those GHRPs, 28:52 Speaker 1: this is how they are signaling, they basically aren't 28:56 Speaker 1: directly making your body make more growth hormone. We have realized 28:59 Speaker 1: that when we are hungry, 29:02 Speaker 1: well, what's happening, our ghrelin receptor is 29:05 Speaker 1: is increasing, 29:06 Speaker 1: and that makes us produce more growth hormone. So this peptide, all they've figured out is if we could just signal the ghrelin receptor to wake up a little bit, 29:16 Speaker 1: then 29:17 Speaker 1: in turn, we got more growth hormone. 29:21 Speaker 0: Or fasting. 29:22 Speaker 0: We didn't talk much about that, but fasting. So anybody, obviously, I'll talk about fasting part because I'd fast so much, but I love it, man. I mean, why does fasting work so well, especially longer fasts, 24 hours plus? 29:34 Speaker 0: You know, your body is really shooting up an exorbitant amount of human growth hormone, man. A lot of people think that you lose a lot of muscle. You don't, you're really shooting up that human growth hormone in your body. 29:45 Speaker 2: Putting it under stress. 29:47 Speaker 0: Yeah, let's real quick, let's end on dosage. 29:50 Speaker 0: Right. This is what everybody wants to know. Let's talk about dosage of Sermorelin. 29:55 Speaker 1: I would say between 200 29:57 Speaker 1: to 300 29:58 Speaker 1: micrograms 30:00 Speaker 1: daily. 30:01 Speaker 1: You can do it 7 days a week. 30:04 Speaker 1: So I 30:06 Speaker 1: I would do about I would do 300 30:08 Speaker 1: micrograms 30:09 Speaker 1: daily at nighttime 30:11 Speaker 1: in a fasted state 90 minutes after your last meal. 30:16 Speaker 1: And 30:17 Speaker 1: for 3 to 6 months, take 1 month off and repeat. The only reason you're taking that month off is again so we just don't build 30:25 Speaker 1: tolerance. 30:26 Speaker 1: It it'll it'll stop being as effective over a long period of time. The whole point is to just give your body a little reset. 30:35 Speaker 1: What that looks like is most most Sermorelin you're gonna find is in 5 or 10 mg bottles. 30:42 Speaker 1: For a 10 mg bottle, if we wanna talk about specifics, 30:47 Speaker 1: So you have 10 mg of the of the of the peptide Sermorelin 30:52 Speaker 1: in a bottle. I would add 3 mls of water 30:56 Speaker 1: and then inject 30:58 Speaker 1: 10 units. 30:59 Speaker 1: 10 units 31:01 Speaker 1: will give you 333, 31:05 Speaker 1: close enough. 31:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, 31:07 Speaker 1: before bed. 10 units before 10 31:09 Speaker 1: mgs bottle. 31:11 Speaker 0: Yep, 31:12 Speaker 0: keep it simple. 31:13 Speaker 1: 200 to 300 micrograms, I'd probably just do 300. 31:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. 31:18 Speaker 0: Yeah, man. Love it. 31:20 Speaker 0: Good stuff, man. We can talk about these security dogs forever, man. Next time we'll probably do it. We'll pick another 1, but 31:27 Speaker 0: good talk, man. Good talk, but like we'll end on this where, like we said, 31:32 Speaker 0: Will and I both take HGH in the morning and we take 1 of these at night. I personally switch it around every few months, CJC 31:41 Speaker 0: or Tesamorelin, 31:43 Speaker 0: and I switch it, you know, every few months, but I'm always taking HGH in the morning and secretagog at night, and it's really- And he's talking 31:50 Speaker 1: about he switches his GHRHs, 31:54 Speaker 1: but always, and also the GHRPs, but always takes them together. 31:59 Speaker 1: GHRH, 31:59 Speaker 1: GHRP together, 32:01 Speaker 1: and then we can switch the combinations of them. 32:04 Speaker 0: McKennis, we're a science project, and you have to see what you respond to best. 32:09 Speaker 0: Yes. That simple. 32:11 Speaker 1: Yeah. Have fun. Have fun. 32:14 Speaker 0: Right on, my brother. Well, this is a good 1, man. Well, we appreciate you guys. We will be seeing you next week. 32:21 Speaker 0: We're out of here. That's all we got. Good night.